Wonder will he retire after today or will he hang around and try for 2 in a row. 33 is still brave and young for a keeper mind
Why would he retire?
He seems to have relaxed a lot in the past few years. All Ireland medals must do that to you
Quote from: moysider on September 21, 2015, 12:58:05 AM
Why would he retire?
Not saying he would. He's been around a long time and it's a big commitment. I was just wondering 'out loud' to be honest
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 21, 2015, 01:09:26 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 21, 2015, 12:58:05 AM
Why would he retire?
Not saying he would. He's been around a long time and it's a big commitment. I was just wondering 'out loud' to be honest
It is a big commitment but a great commitment when you are at the top of your game on a top team. I wish I was 33 again.
Can't see any of that Dublin team retiring.
What would they do for income?
He has got very lax with the kickouts. A few yesterday and against Mayo were terrible.
Cluxton is definitely on the slide but he's still better than most and he won't be easily replaced
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 21, 2015, 09:42:14 AM
He has got very lax with the kickouts. A few yesterday and against Mayo were terrible.
His kickouts will only be as good as the ability of his team mates to provide him with options.
He does fluff a few every now and again, but unless there is a better keeper coming through, I don't see why he'll go any time soon.
Shane Supple was suppose to be highly rated the ex Ipswich keeper. He was on the Dublin panel last year but left by his own accord.
He thought about retiring, then he stepped back again. Then thought of it again, but stepped back. Then he thought of it again, but he stepped back.
Wasted a minute and a half in the process.
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 21, 2015, 10:53:53 AM
Shane Supple was suppose to be highly rated the ex Ipswich keeper. He was on the Dublin panel last year but left by his own accord.
Couldn't hold a candle to Cluxton.
He's going to retire over the winter is the word
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 21, 2015, 12:54:22 AM
Wonder will he retire after today or will he hang around and try for 2 in a row. 33 is still brave and young for a keeper mind
His comments in the speech about the sacrifices family put up with had me pondering the same thing.
I would think it's a possibility all right.
Could possibly see the 2 Brogans go as well.
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 21, 2015, 02:19:07 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 21, 2015, 12:54:22 AM
Wonder will he retire after today or will he hang around and try for 2 in a row. 33 is still brave and young for a keeper mind
His comments in the speech about the sacrifices family put up with had me pondering the same thing.
I would think it's a possibility all right.
Could possibly see the 2 Brogans go as well.
Bernard wont' go. Alan might I'd say. Bastick as well maybe. Other than that they are a young team. What age is Paul Flynn?
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 21, 2015, 09:42:14 AM
He has got very lax with the kickouts. A few yesterday and against Mayo were terrible.
But surely all this stuff could be worked out better beforehand. There didn't seem to any plan b yesterday. When the short ball wasn't on nobody out the field was making runs to help him.
I think he'll retire and in a way I hope he does. He's been the best of this generation and you don't want to see him in decline. He should get out now with his medal in his back pocket.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 21, 2015, 02:23:17 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 21, 2015, 02:19:07 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 21, 2015, 12:54:22 AM
Wonder will he retire after today or will he hang around and try for 2 in a row. 33 is still brave and young for a keeper mind
His comments in the speech about the sacrifices family put up with had me pondering the same thing.
I would think it's a possibility all right.
Could possibly see the 2 Brogans go as well.
Bernard wont' go. Alan might I'd say. Bastick as well maybe. Other than that they are a young team. What age is Paul Flynn?
Alan, Bastic and Cluxton will all retire from inter county football in the coming months
I would be extremely surprised if Cluxton retired any time soon. For a goalkeeper he still has a lot to offer at county level, not to mention the current Dublin squad is young enough and evidently good enough to be challenging for All Irelands in the immediate future. He is still without a doubt the best goalkeeper in the country, and not only would his goalkeeping be missed by Dublin, his contribution of scores from long range frees would be a missed also.
He made a few mistakes this year for goals etc, and he was definitely flustered when Mayo pushed up in the first game, and Kerry did in the final, for his kickouts. I'd be surprised if he gets the All Star this year, but I'm sure he could still contribute to the Dubs if he felt like it. He may have enough of it though. He's not ancient for a keeper, but he's playing since 2001.
If Cluxton retires the whole dynamic of the dublin team and the dublin tactics change.
It would make it more interesting for the other 31 of us...
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 23, 2015, 11:08:13 AM
If Cluxton retires the whole dynamic of the dublin team and the dublin tactics change.
It would make it more interesting for the other 31 of us...
I would like to think that Cluxton's understudy is more than capable of replicating a similar style of kickout, especially for training purposes throughout the year.
I wouldn't be putting Dublin on a pedestal like that, they aren't streets ahead of the rest of the counties like Kilkenny are in Hurling. But yes of course they are in that group of top teams in the country that are considered the strongest and favourites for All Ireland titles.
Quote from: TheClutch on September 23, 2015, 11:17:49 AM
I wouldn't be putting Dublin on a pedestal like that, they aren't streets ahead of the rest of the counties like Kilkenny are in Hurling. But yes of course they are in that group of top teams in the country that are considered the strongest and favourites for All Ireland titles.
Sadly I think we can count on one hand the Counties who will be realistically in the running for Sam 2016 :-\- the last 5 to win it plus the Rhubarb bridesmaids.
The only question now seems to be what others will make the Quarter Finals through a combination of lucky or soft draws/shock win or two or whatever.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 23, 2015, 11:31:57 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on September 23, 2015, 11:17:49 AM
I wouldn't be putting Dublin on a pedestal like that, they aren't streets ahead of the rest of the counties like Kilkenny are in Hurling. But yes of course they are in that group of top teams in the country that are considered the strongest and favourites for All Ireland titles.
Sadly I think we can count on one hand the Counties who will be realistically in the running for Sam 2016 :-\- the last 5 to win it plus the Rhubarb bridesmaids.
The only question now seems to be what others will make the Quarter Finals through a combination of lucky or soft draws/shock win or two or whatever.
You have 6 fingers? Rossies...
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2015, 11:35:12 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 23, 2015, 11:31:57 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on September 23, 2015, 11:17:49 AM
I wouldn't be putting Dublin on a pedestal like that, they aren't streets ahead of the rest of the counties like Kilkenny are in Hurling. But yes of course they are in that group of top teams in the country that are considered the strongest and favourites for All Ireland titles.
Sadly I think we can count on one hand the Counties who will be realistically in the running for Sam 2016 :-\- the last 5 to win it plus the Rhubarb bridesmaids.
The only question now seems to be what others will make the Quarter Finals through a combination of lucky or soft draws/shock win or two or whatever.
You have 6 fingers? Rossies...
;D
Only five of those will win it though ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on September 23, 2015, 11:39:34 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2015, 11:35:12 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 23, 2015, 11:31:57 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on September 23, 2015, 11:17:49 AM
I wouldn't be putting Dublin on a pedestal like that, they aren't streets ahead of the rest of the counties like Kilkenny are in Hurling. But yes of course they are in that group of top teams in the country that are considered the strongest and favourites for All Ireland titles.
Sadly I think we can count on one hand the Counties who will be realistically in the running for Sam 2016 :-\- the last 5 to win it plus the Rhubarb bridesmaids.
The only question now seems to be what others will make the Quarter Finals through a combination of lucky or soft draws/shock win or two or whatever.
You have 6 fingers? Rossies...
;D
Only five of those will win it though ;)
Only one of those will win it :) Did you hit your head this morning? :)
Quote from: Nihilist on September 21, 2015, 09:01:59 AM
Can't see any of that Dublin team retiring.
What would they do for income?
The same thing they've always done. Their day jobs.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2015, 11:40:39 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 23, 2015, 11:39:34 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2015, 11:35:12 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 23, 2015, 11:31:57 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on September 23, 2015, 11:17:49 AM
I wouldn't be putting Dublin on a pedestal like that, they aren't streets ahead of the rest of the counties like Kilkenny are in Hurling. But yes of course they are in that group of top teams in the country that are considered the strongest and favourites for All Ireland titles.
Sadly I think we can count on one hand the Counties who will be realistically in the running for Sam 2016 :-\- the last 5 to win it plus the Rhubarb bridesmaids.
The only question now seems to be what others will make the Quarter Finals through a combination of lucky or soft draws/shock win or two or whatever.
You have 6 fingers? Rossies...
;D
Only five of those will win it though ;)
Only one of those will win it :) Did you hit your head this morning? :)
OK OK - only one of the 5 non bridesmaid Counties will win it. Now get on with it and stop nit picking on me. I'd expect a Midlander based in Tipp to understand what a ladeen is saying without having to spell it out pedantically.... :o
Fair enough freaky six finger Rossie :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2015, 11:03:11 AM
He made a few mistakes this year for goals etc, and he was definitely flustered when Mayo pushed up in the first game, and Kerry did in the final, for his kickouts. I'd be surprised if he gets the All Star this year, but I'm sure he could still contribute to the Dubs if he felt like it. He may have enough of it though. He's not ancient for a keeper, but he's playing since 2001.
I'm be gobsmacked if he got an All-Star this year - I'd say he's unlikely to even get nominated. His form in the championship has been way below previous years. You'd hope/imagine that all the managers in Leinster will study closely how hugely Dublin's game was affected when his kickout were put under pressure. 8 points from play in the final, 12 in total and no score in the final 14 minutes of the drawn Mayo game when Mayo were pushing up. Compare that to the scores Dublin put up in the games where no pressure was put on his kickout and it's a stark indication of how vital a component it is to put pressure on the kickout is in terms of challenging Dublin. Mayo's failure to put pressure on in the drawn game looks even more damming (3-15 conceded) for the management.
It will be intriguing if he stays another year to see how he copes when more teams put decent pressure on his kickout (as they surely will). It would also be intriguing to see how Dublin would cope with another keeper given how key he has been to this team.
The point about his age/length of service is a key point - it's one thing to be a player on a squad that is going out in June/July, and a whole different kettle of fish being a squad member on a team who are dead certs to be there in August and September year after year. Even with Cluxton's low media profile, there will still be a fair amount of obligations that come with winning the All-Ireland in the next few months again so there will be little in the way of any break the next few months.
Quote from: TheClutch on September 23, 2015, 11:17:49 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 23, 2015, 11:08:13 AM
If Cluxton retires the whole dynamic of the dublin team and the dublin tactics change.
It would make it more interesting for the other 31 of us...
I would like to think that Cluxton's understudy is more than capable of replicating a similar style of kickout, especially for training purposes throughout the year.
I wouldn't be putting Dublin on a pedestal like that, they aren't streets ahead of the rest of the counties like Kilkenny are in Hurling. But yes of course they are in that group of top teams in the country that are considered the strongest and favourites for All Ireland titles.
I was at the League game against us where Clucko got himself sent off. Is it the same understudy as that day? He would need more big game time based on what I saw, if it was the same lad.
Quote from: muppet on September 23, 2015, 12:14:33 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on September 23, 2015, 11:17:49 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 23, 2015, 11:08:13 AM
If Cluxton retires the whole dynamic of the dublin team and the dublin tactics change.
It would make it more interesting for the other 31 of us...
I would like to think that Cluxton's understudy is more than capable of replicating a similar style of kickout, especially for training purposes throughout the year.
I wouldn't be putting Dublin on a pedestal like that, they aren't streets ahead of the rest of the counties like Kilkenny are in Hurling. But yes of course they are in that group of top teams in the country that are considered the strongest and favourites for All Ireland titles.
I was at the League game against us where Clucko got himself sent off. Is it the same understudy as that day? He would need more big game time based on what I saw, if it was the same lad.
Was he bad in general or just not as effective as Cluxton when it came to the short kick out?
I'm not sure who the No.2 is to be honest but I'd find it hard to believe a county of Dublin's size and stature don't have more than one good goalkeeper to challenge Cluxton for the No.1 jersey.
It's not just his goalkeeping ability though - it's his ability to see passes, to vary kickouts based on peoples runs etc etc. There's never been a keeper that could do it like Cluxton.
Granted he wasn't just as effective this year but his kicking is the thing dublin would miss most.
Quote from: TheClutch on September 23, 2015, 12:27:01 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 23, 2015, 12:14:33 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on September 23, 2015, 11:17:49 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 23, 2015, 11:08:13 AM
If Cluxton retires the whole dynamic of the dublin team and the dublin tactics change.
It would make it more interesting for the other 31 of us...
I would like to think that Cluxton's understudy is more than capable of replicating a similar style of kickout, especially for training purposes throughout the year.
I wouldn't be putting Dublin on a pedestal like that, they aren't streets ahead of the rest of the counties like Kilkenny are in Hurling. But yes of course they are in that group of top teams in the country that are considered the strongest and favourites for All Ireland titles.
I was at the League game against us where Clucko got himself sent off. Is it the same understudy as that day? He would need more big game time based on what I saw, if it was the same lad.
Was he bad in general or just not as effective as Cluxton when it came to the short kick out?
I'm not sure who the No.2 is to be honest but I'd find it hard to believe a county of Dublin's size and stature don't have more than one good goalkeeper to challenge Cluxton for the No.1 jersey.
He definitely looked a way off Cluxton's effectiveness from what I can remember - the thing is though Cluxton has literally years of experience in terms of dealing with certain players e.g. Flynn and in terms of being used to big-match situations. The pressure/scrutiny in terms of replacing Cluxton is likely to be considerable. In terms of legacy planning, thinking about it it wouldnt be the worst idea in the world if Cluxton took the whole league off next year and alternatives were tried out, with the understanding that Cluxton would most likely be back in the number 1 spot for the championship - I would rate Dublin's chances of doing the back-to-back a bit higher if they went with that approach.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 23, 2015, 12:35:24 PM
It's not just his goalkeeping ability though - it's his ability to see passes, to vary kickouts based on peoples runs etc etc. There's never been a keeper that could do it like Cluxton.
Granted he wasn't just as effective this year but his kicking is the thing dublin would miss most.
I agree Cluxton has been the best in that regard. Something that might be hard for Dublin is; building a trust between the goalkeeper and the outfield players in his ability to get the ball to a Dublin jersey, if the outfielders have no confidence or doubt in the goalkeepers ability from the kickout then straight away they are in trouble.
I think Niall Morgan from Tyrone will be a leading goalkeeper in the country in years to come.
Quote from: TheClutch on September 23, 2015, 12:27:01 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 23, 2015, 12:14:33 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on September 23, 2015, 11:17:49 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 23, 2015, 11:08:13 AM
If Cluxton retires the whole dynamic of the dublin team and the dublin tactics change.
It would make it more interesting for the other 31 of us...
I would like to think that Cluxton's understudy is more than capable of replicating a similar style of kickout, especially for training purposes throughout the year.
I wouldn't be putting Dublin on a pedestal like that, they aren't streets ahead of the rest of the counties like Kilkenny are in Hurling. But yes of course they are in that group of top teams in the country that are considered the strongest and favourites for All Ireland titles.
I was at the League game against us where Clucko got himself sent off. Is it the same understudy as that day? He would need more big game time based on what I saw, if it was the same lad.
Was he bad in general or just not as effective as Cluxton when it came to the short kick out?
I'm not sure who the No.2 is to be honest but I'd find it hard to believe a county of Dublin's size and stature don't have more than one good goalkeeper to challenge Cluxton for the No.1 jersey.
The kickouts were the issue. I think we quickly went about 10 points up before the usual late goalfest at our end. I think it ended up a draw.
Quote from: straightred on September 21, 2015, 02:26:32 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 21, 2015, 09:42:14 AM
He has got very lax with the kickouts. A few yesterday and against Mayo were terrible.
But surely all this stuff could be worked out better beforehand. There didn't seem to any plan b yesterday. When the short ball wasn't on nobody out the field was making runs to help him.
I think he'll retire and in a way I hope he does. He's been the best of this generation and you don't want to see him in decline. He should get out now with his medal in his back pocket.
The short ball is the plan b. The preferred option is kicking long to team mate, if that's not on then he looks to go short.