Here you go Teo
The fact Kerry are all natural footballers is obviously an unfair advantage, purely determined by location of birth and/or rearing.
And in contrast, the fact that there are no natural footballers in Kildare is an obvious disadvantage. That is offset by the secret lab producing robots (aka Intel) but the current version is still flummoxed by natural footballers.
So what are the advantages a county can have and what order?
For me
1. Tradition and culture (very much a mind-set thing)
2. Financial resourcing (from training camps, to back-room, to been able to ensure you don't lose your best players to AFL, to getting the right college course, to consultant fees/surgeries etc etc)
3. Population
4. Strong Club scene
5. One code only
Looking at Kilkenny the one code thing might be higher but they also have 1,2 and 4.
The GAA has a body can only really affect 2 and 5 and 2 as everyone is aware is the one where the disparity is the greatest and only getting bigger.
6. Manliness (you either have it or you don't).
I think Tyrone would say that media (the State variety of course!) is an unfair disadvantage to them and therefore an advantage to everyone else.
Quote from: Aristo 60 on August 28, 2015, 04:51:24 PM
I think Tyrone would say that media (the State variety of course!) is an unfair disadvantage to them and therefore an advantage to everyone else.
Yes, but the totally biased and voluminous coverage given to them by the Irish News more than compensates for this!
Proficiency in Photoshop
When the Mayo county board did their financial planning on an etch a sketch and ended up needing the GAA ti bail them out for €1 million. Think of the no. of forwards coaches that gets you.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 28, 2015, 03:36:51 PM
So what are the advantages a county can have and what order?
For me
1. Tradition and culture (very much a mind-set thing)
2. Financial resourcing (from training camps, to back-room, to been able to ensure you don't lose your best players to AFL, to getting the right college course, to consultant fees/surgeries etc etc)
3. Population
4. Strong Club scene
5. One code only
Looking at Kilkenny the one code thing might be higher but they also have 1,2 and 4.
The GAA has a body can only really affect 2 and 5 and 2 as everyone is aware is the one where the disparity is the greatest and only getting bigger.
Being one code only proves that the most successful counties (Kerry and kilkenny)- is the single determining factor of being the best. Money plays it's part but one code having the full pick of the best athletes of the county makes a mockery of the population argument
- A simple method would be to set-up the counties as franchises of the Association with each county getting an equal share of the spoils.
- However there should be another Special Development Fund which counties can apply to for Special Funding for carefully researched Development Plans.
- I also believe Capital projects should be taken out of county board's hands and be devolved to GAA HQ who would decide whether a county needs them or not. We've far too many white elephant projects around the country at present. Some counties have these in preference to development teams. What's the point in having great grounds if you've no great players to play in them?
- I'm not a fan of capping how much money a county can individually raise. There has to be some element of commercialism unless the GAA want to go down the NFL route and sell the GAA as a brand rather then the counties themselves. But it needs to do one or the other - a halfway house on that aspect won't work.
How do a counties finances impact the college courses a lad does? If a lad wants to study Engineering, but he doesn't get enough CAO points for it, there isn't much that they can do about it.
Finances, population, professional in all but name, players not having to get up for work, players getting the month off before the AI final, players generally being FT footballers...
Quote from: Over the Bar on August 28, 2015, 09:07:31 PM
Finances, population, professional in all but name, players not having to get up for work, players getting the month off before the AI final, players generally being FT footballers...
Big Jim's ears are twitching
Quote from: ballinaman on August 28, 2015, 05:25:30 PM
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You'll never accept it, will you?
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c190/osoneill/story-20694-declanosullivan.jpg)
Quote from: Jinxy on August 28, 2015, 04:49:11 PM
6. Manliness (you either have it or you don't).
Big Aido!
Quote from: ONeill on August 28, 2015, 10:11:16 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 28, 2015, 05:25:30 PM
Proficiency in Photoshop
You'll never accept it, will you?
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c190/osoneill/story-20694-declanosullivan.jpg)
;D ;D ;D
Looks legit.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 28, 2015, 10:42:52 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 28, 2015, 10:18:03 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 28, 2015, 10:11:16 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 28, 2015, 05:25:30 PM
Proficiency in Photoshop
You'll never accept it, will you?
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c190/osoneill/story-20694-declanosullivan.jpg)
;D ;D ;D
;D
Definitely legit, I know a physio who told me so..
Quote from: Beffs on August 28, 2015, 08:16:04 PM
How do a counties finances impact the college courses a lad does? If a lad wants to study Engineering, but he doesn't get enough CAO points for it, there isn't much that they can do about it.
Scholarships......
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 29, 2015, 10:14:34 AM
Quote from: Beffs on August 28, 2015, 08:16:04 PM
How do a counties finances impact the college courses a lad does? If a lad wants to study Engineering, but he doesn't get enough CAO points for it, there isn't much that they can do about it.
Scholarships......
Aren't scholarships awarded by the universities and the GPA? What role do the finances of individual county boards play in that?
If you are on the minor team in Dublin, fellows with PhDs are sent to give you grinds, while in Leitrim you still have to help milk the cows.
There are fellas in Leitrim with PhDs in milking cows.
The biggest problem is ceding total control of your finances to cult-like managers. The County management have to think of the bigger picture.
When you hear County X is spending €XXXXXXX per year but raising most of it themselves you know you're in trouble - it all comes from the same pot.
Cult figure leaves and county board is unable to pay the ESB bill
Quote from: heffo on August 30, 2015, 10:56:35 AM
The biggest problem is ceding total control of your finances to cult-like managers. The County management have to think of the bigger picture.
When you hear County X is spending €XXXXXXX per year but raising most of it themselves you know you're in trouble - it all comes from the same pot.
Cult figure leaves and county board is unable to pay the ESB bill
Whatever you do, don't mention the millions that Dublin GAA get. Talk about anything else but the millions Dublin GAA get. Never speak of the millions Dublin GAA get. :D
This thread isn't up to standard, I might start a new one in the lead up to the All Ir€land Final with proper facts and start a good discussion on these important issues.