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Mine:
1. Stephen Cluxton
2. Sean Marty Lockhart
3. Barry Owens
4. Karl Lacey
5. Tomas O'Se
6. Conor Gormley
7. Seamus Moynihan
8. Darragh O'Se
9. Sean Cavanagh
10. Brian Dooher
11. Ciaran McDonald
12. Oisin McConville
13. Stevie McDonnell
14. Peter Canavan
15. Paddy Bradley
Bit of northern bias there I reckon. No place for the likes of Gooch or brogan?
Quote from: tippabu on August 07, 2015, 06:24:00 PM
Bit of northern bias there I reckon. No place for the likes of Gooch or brogan?
I think Gooch is ridiculously overrated, a great man to steamroll teams that allow him play and when the opposition collapses but his record against Ulster teams is very poor. He's a great player but you'd have to question him doing it when the chips are down and games are in the melting pot.
I wouldn't say it's a Northern bias either, you look back at the last 15 years and Ulster has had 3 different teams share 5 titles, Down reached a final in 2010, Fermanagh and Derry also reached semi finals and Monaghan and Cavan have made quarter finals. Ulster teams have been competing at the very highest level since the turn of the millennium so it's hardly surprising they should have a big proportion of teams there.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2015, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: tippabu on August 07, 2015, 06:24:00 PM
Bit of northern bias there I reckon. No place for the likes of Gooch or brogan?
I think Gooch is ridiculously overrated, a great man to steamroll teams that allow him play and when the opposition collapses but his record against Ulster teams is very poor. He's a great player but you'd have to question him doing it when the chips are down and games are in the melting pot.
I wouldn't say it's a Northern bias either, you look back at the last 15 years and Ulster has had 3 different teams share 5 titles, Down reached a final in 2010, Fermanagh and Derry also reached semi finals and Monaghan and Cavan have made quarter finals. Ulster teams have been competing at the very highest level since the turn of the millennium so it's hardly surprising they should have a big proportion of teams there.
And with all the players from the north no place for mcgeeney and Michael Murphy.
anyway my team, with a touch of bias for my own county but one that a strong argument can be made for is...
1. Stephen cluxton
2. Mark o se
3. Seamus moynihan
4. Karl lacey
5. Tomas o se
6. Kieran mcgeeney
7. Philip Jordan
8. Darragh o se
9. Sean cavanagh
10. Ciaran macdonald
11. Michael Murphy
12. Declan browne
13. Peter canavan
14. Bernard brogan
15. Colm Cooper
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2015, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: tippabu on August 07, 2015, 06:24:00 PM
Bit of northern bias there I reckon. No place for the likes of Gooch or brogan?
I think Gooch is ridiculously overrated, a great man to steamroll teams that allow him play and when the opposition collapses but his record against Ulster teams is very poor. He's a great player but you'd have to question him doing it when the chips are down and games are in the melting pot.
I wouldn't say it's a Northern bias either, you look back at the last 15 years and Ulster has had 3 different teams share 5 titles, Down reached a final in 2010, Fermanagh and Derry also reached semi finals and Monaghan and Cavan have made quarter finals. Ulster teams have been competing at the very highest level since the turn of the millennium so it's hardly surprising they should have a big proportion of teams there.
Well, for a player who has 4-33 in all Ireland finals alone- but they're only all ireland finals it's only the matches against Ulster teams that
really matter.
1 Stephen Cluxton
2 Marc O'Se
3 Neil McGee
4 Keith Higgins
5 Seamus Moynihan
6 Karl Lacey
7 Kieran McGeeney
8 Darragh O'Se
9 Sean Cavanagh
10 Declan O'Sullivan
11 Michael Murphy
12 Ciaran McDonald
13 The Mort
14 Padraig Joyce
15 The Gooch
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 07, 2015, 07:39:20 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2015, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: tippabu on August 07, 2015, 06:24:00 PM
Bit of northern bias there I reckon. No place for the likes of Gooch or brogan?
I think Gooch is ridiculously overrated, a great man to steamroll teams that allow him play and when the opposition collapses but his record against Ulster teams is very poor. He's a great player but you'd have to question him doing it when the chips are down and games are in the melting pot.
I wouldn't say it's a Northern bias either, you look back at the last 15 years and Ulster has had 3 different teams share 5 titles, Down reached a final in 2010, Fermanagh and Derry also reached semi finals and Monaghan and Cavan have made quarter finals. Ulster teams have been competing at the very highest level since the turn of the millennium so it's hardly surprising they should have a big proportion of teams there.
Well, for a player who has 4-33 in all Ireland finals alone- but they're only all ireland finals it's only the matches against Ulster teams that really matter.
Yeah, but would he get a game before Paddy Bradley?
Oh, wait. Yeah, yeah he would.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 07, 2015, 08:18:23 PM
1 Stephen Cluxton
2 Marc O'Se
3 Neil McGee
4 Keith Higgins
5 Seamus Moynihan
6 Karl Lacey
7 Kieran McGeeney
8 Darragh O'Se
9 Sean Cavanagh
10 Declan O'Sullivan
11 Michael Murphy
12 Ciaran McDonald
13 The Mort
14 Padraig Joyce
15 The Gooch
Eejit
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2015, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: tippabu on August 07, 2015, 06:24:00 PM
Bit of northern bias there I reckon. No place for the likes of Gooch or brogan?
I think Gooch is ridiculously overrated, a great man to steamroll teams that allow him play and when the opposition collapses but his record against Ulster teams is very poor. He's a great player but you'd have to question him doing it when the chips are down and games are in the melting pot.
I wouldn't say it's a Northern bias either, you look back at the last 15 years and Ulster has had 3 different teams share 5 titles, Down reached a final in 2010, Fermanagh and Derry also reached semi finals and Monaghan and Cavan have made quarter finals. Ulster teams have been competing at the very highest level since the turn of the millennium so it's hardly surprising they should have a big proportion of teams there.
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You're absolutely spot on. It isn't a Northern bias. Just pure unadulterated bullshit
Martin Clarke & Owen Mulligan??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: our_fella on August 07, 2015, 09:30:01 PM
Martin Clarke & Owen Mulligan??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
even better ciaran kilkenny
I think Gooch is over rated as well, would probably put him on my top 15 put think he is no were near the player Canavan was, in my opinion he is not good enough at winning his own ball, and is helped by the talent that has surrounded him
Mine:
1. Stephen Cluxton
2. Ryan mc menamen
3. Seamus moynihan
4. Karl Lacey
5. Tomas O'Se
6. Conor Gormley
7. Philip jordan
8. Darragh O'Se
9. Sean Cavanagh
10. Brian Dooher
11. Brian mc guigan
12. Colm cooper
13. Michael murphy
14. Peter Canavan
15. Stephen o neill
now that's a quare team..
Quote from: rrhf on August 07, 2015, 09:57:41 PM
Mine:
1. Stephen Cluxton
2. Ryan mc menamen
3. Seamus moynihan
4. Karl Lacey
5. Tomas O'Se
6. Conor Gormley
7. Philip jordan
8. Darragh O'Se
9. Sean Cavanagh
10. Brian Dooher
11. Brian mc guigan
12. Colm cooper
13. Michael murphy
14. Peter Canavan
15. Stephen o neill
now that's a quare team..
Colm maybe for Darragh?
Quote from: Highlander3 on August 07, 2015, 09:44:08 PM
I think Gooch is over rated as well, would probably put him on my top 15 put think he is no were near the player Canavan was, in my opinion he is not good enough at winning his own ball, and is helped by the talent that has surrounded him
Gooch is hands down the best forward I've seen play the game. From a skills standpoint there are shots and passes he's made that I've seen no one else make. A lot of these Ulster focused teams seem to be picking players for their ruggedness or physicality. Gooch offers something very unique to a team.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2015, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: tippabu on August 07, 2015, 06:24:00 PM
Bit of northern bias there I reckon. No place for the likes of Gooch or brogan?
I think Gooch is ridiculously overrated, a great man to steamroll teams that allow him play and when the opposition collapses but his record against Ulster teams is very poor. He's a great player but you'd have to question him doing it when the chips are down and games are in the melting pot.
I wouldn't say it's a Northern bias either, you look back at the last 15 years and Ulster has had 3 different teams share 5 titles, Down reached a final in 2010, Fermanagh and Derry also reached semi finals and Monaghan and Cavan have made quarter finals. Ulster teams have been competing at the very highest level since the turn of the millennium so it's hardly surprising they should have a big proportion of teams there.
Gooch was very good in Kerry's last two games v Tyrone. Excellent v Derry in '04. Good v Armagh in 06 and 02.
Also forgetting that a lot of these steamrollings are because of performances by Gooch that turned the game into steamrollings e.g. Mayo 04, Mayo 11, Dublin 09.
Definitely went missing less than McConville (03 final, 05 semi, 06 1/4) who's on your team. I rate McConville esp. from 00 and 02 games v Kerry but can't imagine anyone rating him above Gooch.
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2015, 11:04:16 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on August 07, 2015, 09:44:08 PM
I think Gooch is over rated as well, would probably put him on my top 15 put think he is no were near the player Canavan was, in my opinion he is not good enough at winning his own ball, and is helped by the talent that has surrounded him
Gooch is hands down the best forward I've seen play the game. From a skills standpoint there are shots and passes he's made that I've seen no one else make. A lot of these Ulster focused teams seem to be picking players for their ruggedness or physicality. Gooch offers something very unique to a team.
Brian McGuigan was the best passer of a ball in the last 15 years. Gooch a better finisher although when McGuigan took a pop he usually scored.
1. Clackston
2. M O'Se
3. Owens
4. Higgins
5. T O'Se
6. Gormley
7. Jordan
8. Cavanagh
9. Dara
10. Dooher
11. McDonald
12. B Brogan
13 O'Neill
14 Gooch
15 McDonnell
Near impossible
Cluxton
M O'Shea Gormley Higgins
Kerman McGeeney T O'Shea
S Cavanagh D O'Shea
Connolly Cooper McConville
McDonnell Murphy Canavan
Obviously a bit biased to my own county but I could probably pick another 15 that would be equally as good.
Cluxton
Marc O Se
Owens
Higgins
Tomas O Se
Moynihan
Lacey
Cavanagh
Darragh O Se
Flynn
McGuigan
McConville
Cooper
Donaghy
Murphy
15 isnt enough. Lockhart, Doyle, Gormley, McDonnell and most of all Dooher could probably improve the team.
Murphy as a corner forward is admittedly a cop out but there's no way a team can be picked without him.
Can't leave out Star. Maybe lacks the consistency of the rest of this team but in my lifetime of watching football I can't think of any single individual who changed how football is played more than him at his peak.
McGuigan might raise eyebrows but if anyone wants to know why Tyrone won 3 All Irelands they should start by looking at their playmaker. McDonald was Stevie G to his Xavi.
They were big FFs who had the ball lumped up to them long before Star and with much more alround talent to boot. I would never have singled him out as having changed anything.
Cluxton
Marc O Se
Barry Owens
Keith Higgins
Tomas O Se
Seamus Moynihan
Karl Lacey
Sean Cavanagh
Darragh O Se
Brian Dooher
Pauric Joyce
Declan O Sullivan
Gooch
Peter Canavan
Stevie McDonnell
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2015, 08:19:56 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 07, 2015, 07:39:20 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2015, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: tippabu on August 07, 2015, 06:24:00 PM
Bit of northern bias there I reckon. No place for the likes of Gooch or brogan?
I think Gooch is ridiculously overrated, a great man to steamroll teams that allow him play and when the opposition collapses but his record against Ulster teams is very poor. He's a great player but you'd have to question him doing it when the chips are down and games are in the melting pot.
I wouldn't say it's a Northern bias either, you look back at the last 15 years and Ulster has had 3 different teams share 5 titles, Down reached a final in 2010, Fermanagh and Derry also reached semi finals and Monaghan and Cavan have made quarter finals. Ulster teams have been competing at the very highest level since the turn of the millennium so it's hardly surprising they should have a big proportion of teams there.
Well, for a player who has 4-33 in all Ireland finals alone- but they're only all ireland finals it's only the matches against Ulster teams that really matter.
Yeah, but would he get a game before Paddy Bradley?
Oh, wait. Yeah, yeah he would.
I've seen Bradley in action and I've seen Cooper in action. I know that Bradey could master the closest of attention and still come out and win his own ball and wrestle the space he needed to be able to stick it over the bar and in the net again and again. Gooch is probably the top scorer in Championship history? But when you dig deeper into his performances into the closer games, the big ones where Kerry came across the Ulster boys, he was consistently found wanting - even when Kerry beat Armagh in 06, Gooch was a peripheral figure because it was all about Donaghy that day. His scoring record from play against Ulster sides is really poor, particularly in contrast to what he could get against sides who folded against Kerry.
The myth about Cooper continues to perpetuate, anything he does or the mere sight of him on TV is blown out of proportion. There's no way Cooper is in the same league as someone like Canavan who continued to deliver massive performances when he was singled out and was without doubt a player who was pivotal to his team. Gooch was an auxillary forward who had trouble delivering when the chips are down - it's grand doing it against Mayo and Cork teams that choke but where was he the other days?
Quote from: blanketattack on August 08, 2015, 12:26:15 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2015, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: tippabu on August 07, 2015, 06:24:00 PM
Bit of northern bias there I reckon. No place for the likes of Gooch or brogan?
I think Gooch is ridiculously overrated, a great man to steamroll teams that allow him play and when the opposition collapses but his record against Ulster teams is very poor. He's a great player but you'd have to question him doing it when the chips are down and games are in the melting pot.
I wouldn't say it's a Northern bias either, you look back at the last 15 years and Ulster has had 3 different teams share 5 titles, Down reached a final in 2010, Fermanagh and Derry also reached semi finals and Monaghan and Cavan have made quarter finals. Ulster teams have been competing at the very highest level since the turn of the millennium so it's hardly surprising they should have a big proportion of teams there.
Gooch was very good in Kerry's last two games v Tyrone. Excellent v Derry in '04. Good v Armagh in 06 and 02.
Also forgetting that a lot of these steamrollings are because of performances by Gooch that turned the game into steamrollings e.g. Mayo 04, Mayo 11, Dublin 09.
Definitely went missing less than McConville (03 final, 05 semi, 06 1/4) who's on your team. I rate McConville esp. from 00 and 02 games v Kerry but can't imagine anyone rating him above Gooch.
Ironic as McConville is the guy who is known for saving his peformances for the big games, his performance against Kerry inn 00 when he took 1-09 off Moynihan and his second half performance in 03 where he inspired Armagh to victory. Say what you want about McConville but he had a track record of coming up with big games when his county really needed him.
Cluxton
O'Se
Moynihan (a bit of accomodation here to get Jordan in - I think Moynihan was best defender of the lot)
Lacey
O'Se
MCGeeney
Jordan
O'Se
Cavanagh
Dooher
Joyce
McConville
Brogan
Canavan
Gooch
if Connolly had for another two years or so at the top, then Dooher or McConcville would make way. Murphy the same.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 08, 2015, 08:06:33 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 08, 2015, 12:26:15 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2015, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: tippabu on August 07, 2015, 06:24:00 PM
Bit of northern bias there I reckon. No place for the likes of Gooch or brogan?
I think Gooch is ridiculously overrated, a great man to steamroll teams that allow him play and when the opposition collapses but his record against Ulster teams is very poor. He's a great player but you'd have to question him doing it when the chips are down and games are in the melting pot.
I wouldn't say it's a Northern bias either, you look back at the last 15 years and Ulster has had 3 different teams share 5 titles, Down reached a final in 2010, Fermanagh and Derry also reached semi finals and Monaghan and Cavan have made quarter finals. Ulster teams have been competing at the very highest level since the turn of the millennium so it's hardly surprising they should have a big proportion of teams there.
Gooch was very good in Kerry's last two games v Tyrone. Excellent v Derry in '04. Good v Armagh in 06 and 02.
Also forgetting that a lot of these steamrollings are because of performances by Gooch that turned the game into steamrollings e.g. Mayo 04, Mayo 11, Dublin 09.
Definitely went missing less than McConville (03 final, 05 semi, 06 1/4) who's on your team. I rate McConville esp. from 00 and 02 games v Kerry but can't imagine anyone rating him above Gooch.
Ironic as McConville is the guy who is known for saving his peformances for the big games, his performance against Kerry inn 00 when he took 1-09 off Moynihan and his second half performance in 03 where he inspired Armagh to victory. Say what you want about McConville but he had a track record of coming up with big games when his county really needed him.
Presume you mean 02 not 03. Going by your criteria for Gooch its games v Ulster opposition that matters most, so on that basis you have to look at McConville's biggest games v Ulster opposition as well which were the 03 final and 05 semi which he was poor in. Gooch was excellent v Tyrone in 08 when the game was in the meeting pot.
Quote from: blanketattack on August 08, 2015, 08:45:45 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 08, 2015, 08:06:33 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 08, 2015, 12:26:15 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2015, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: tippabu on August 07, 2015, 06:24:00 PM
Bit of northern bias there I reckon. No place for the likes of Gooch or brogan?
I think Gooch is ridiculously overrated, a great man to steamroll teams that allow him play and when the opposition collapses but his record against Ulster teams is very poor. He's a great player but you'd have to question him doing it when the chips are down and games are in the melting pot.
I wouldn't say it's a Northern bias either, you look back at the last 15 years and Ulster has had 3 different teams share 5 titles, Down reached a final in 2010, Fermanagh and Derry also reached semi finals and Monaghan and Cavan have made quarter finals. Ulster teams have been competing at the very highest level since the turn of the millennium so it's hardly surprising they should have a big proportion of teams there.
Gooch was very good in Kerry's last two games v Tyrone. Excellent v Derry in '04. Good v Armagh in 06 and 02.
Also forgetting that a lot of these steamrollings are because of performances by Gooch that turned the game into steamrollings e.g. Mayo 04, Mayo 11, Dublin 09.
Definitely went missing less than McConville (03 final, 05 semi, 06 1/4) who's on your team. I rate McConville esp. from 00 and 02 games v Kerry but can't imagine anyone rating him above Gooch.
Ironic as McConville is the guy who is known for saving his peformances for the big games, his performance against Kerry inn 00 when he took 1-09 off Moynihan and his second half performance in 03 where he inspired Armagh to victory. Say what you want about McConville but he had a track record of coming up with big games when his county really needed him.
Presume you mean 02 not 03. Going by your criteria for Gooch its games v Ulster opposition that matters most, so on that basis you have to look at McConville's biggest games v Ulster opposition as well which were the 03 final and 05 semi which he was poor in. Gooch was excellent v Tyrone in 08 when the game was in the meeting pot.
As an Armagh man I have seen McConville play club and county football. For both he was the go to man in pressure situations. Like all players he had bad games but more often than not he came up trumps when the chips were down. Never had the skill of Gooch but would always be on my team.
Any team that leaves out Higgins is silly. Ant team that leaves out Ciaran McDonald is preposterous.
Some of those chosen ahead ::) - like arguing that Joe that paints your front wall is a better painter than Picasso.
Quote from: moysider on August 08, 2015, 09:04:36 PM
Any team that leaves out Higgins is silly. Ant team that leaves out Ciaran McDonald is preposterous.
Some of those chosen ahead ::) - like arguing that Joe that paints your front wall is a better painter than Picasso.
I'd have D. Brady and Cake as team cheerleaders on any 2000-15 team.
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2015, 11:04:16 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on August 07, 2015, 09:44:08 PM
I think Gooch is over rated as well, would probably put him on my top 15 put think he is no were near the player Canavan was, in my opinion he is not good enough at winning his own ball, and is helped by the talent that has surrounded him
Gooch is hands down the best forward I've seen play the game. From a skills standpoint there are shots and passes he's made that I've seen no one else make. A lot of these Ulster focused teams seem to be picking players for their ruggedness or physicality. Gooch offers something very unique to a team.
Do you really believe he was better than Canavan? I think he is a great player but he has always played on a team with many other great forwards, I don't think think he would consistently enough win his own ball enough if he was playing for a weaker team
Quote from: Highlander3 on August 08, 2015, 09:37:28 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2015, 11:04:16 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on August 07, 2015, 09:44:08 PM
I think Gooch is over rated as well, would probably put him on my top 15 put think he is no were near the player Canavan was, in my opinion he is not good enough at winning his own ball, and is helped by the talent that has surrounded him
Gooch is hands down the best forward I've seen play the game. From a skills standpoint there are shots and passes he's made that I've seen no one else make. A lot of these Ulster focused teams seem to be picking players for their ruggedness or physicality. Gooch offers something very unique to a team.
Do you really believe he was better than Canavan? I think he is a great player but he has always played on a team with many other great forwards, I don't think think he would consistently enough win his own ball enough if he was playing for a weaker team
Straight head for head yes. But both would make my 15.
Well I disagree but McCann will never make anyone's 15 after his performance today
Quote from: Highlander3 on August 08, 2015, 09:48:23 PM
Well I disagree but McCann will never make anyone's 15 after his performance today
Haha, in fairness on these sorts of teams named here Gooch would be able to play to every one of his strengths.
S Cluxton
M o'se
N Magee
K Higgins
T o'se
S Moynihan
K Lacey
D o'se
C Whelan
D Connolly
D o'sullivan
B Coulter
Gooch
B Brogan
P Canavan
Copper is spectacular, there is no doubting that we will ever see the likes of him again, a unique forward. But head to head, as a pure forward, Peter Canavan wins hands down. You can't say Canavan couldn't slice a defence open with his intelligent play either.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2015, 07:17:44 PM
I think Gooch is ridiculously overrated, a great man to steamroll teams that allow him play and when the opposition collapses but his record against Ulster teams is very poor. He's a great player but you'd have to question him doing it when the chips are down and games are in the melting pot.
I wouldn't say it's a Northern bias either, you look back at the last 15 years and Ulster has had 3 different teams share 5 titles, Down reached a final in 2010, Fermanagh and Derry also reached semi finals and Monaghan and Cavan have made quarter finals. Ulster teams have been competing at the very highest level since the turn of the millennium so it's hardly surprising they should have a big proportion of teams there.
Yet Kerry on their own won 6 titles in the same period, and beaten in a further four finals but can't muster a forward worthy of inclusion? Pull the other one ;D
Went for
Cluxton
Karl Lacey
Seamus Moynihan
Mike McCarthy
Tomas o se
Keiran McGeeney
Sean Og de Paor
Darragh O se
Anthony Tohill
Michael donnellan
Maurice Fitz
Brian Dooher
Colm Cooper
Padraic Joyce
Stevie McDonnell
Would have liked to find room for Trevor Giles, Bernard Brogan, Oisin McConville, Johnny Doyle but there you go.
1. Cluxton
2. M O'Se
3. Bellew
4. Higgins
5. T O'Se
6. Moynihan
7. Jordan
8. Darragh O'Se
9. Cavanagh
10. Dooher
11. Declan O'S
12. Connolly (I agnoised a lot between him or MacDanger)
13. Canavan
14. McDonnell
15. Gooch
Overall: 6 x Kerry; 4 x Tyrone; 2 x Armagh & Dublin and 1 x Mayo
what sort of timescale these teams been picked from, none of them would be an all time team or even a team of the past 25yrs
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 10, 2015, 11:30:19 AM
what sort of timescale these teams been picked from, none of them would be an all time team or even a team of the past 25yrs
The last 15 years
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2015, 11:04:16 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on August 07, 2015, 09:44:08 PM
I think Gooch is over rated as well, would probably put him on my top 15 put think he is no were near the player Canavan was, in my opinion he is not good enough at winning his own ball, and is helped by the talent that has surrounded him
Gooch is hands down the best forward I've seen play the game. From a skills standpoint there are shots and passes he's made that I've seen no one else make. A lot of these Ulster focused teams seem to be picking players for their ruggedness or physicality. Gooch offers something very unique to a team.
What about Cregger? The man who was making it rain against the mighty Limerick in the league last year according to your expert analysis
It's nearly impossible to pick a best 15 as soon as you name your team and someone else comes up with a guy you'd forgotten about you'll think "feck me he should be in". There has been some great individual players mentioned there. Majority of people will always prefer their own County men but for the five mentioned below is your benchmark to work the other 10 around...There is no way possible you can leave them 5 men out (unless you've no wit)
1. S Cluxton
2.
3.
4.
5. T ó Se
6.
7.
8. D ó Se
9.
10.
11.
12.
13. C Cooper (Gooch)
14.
15. P Canavan
Surprised no-one mentioned Maurice Fitz
Not a mention anywhere for Paul McGrane, the real beating heart of Armagh in the 00's. Him at #8 and fill in the rest yourselves.
Quote from: illdecide on August 10, 2015, 11:41:25 AM
Surprised no-one mentioned Maurice Fitz
Probably wouldn't be in on the basis of it being the last 15 years.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 10, 2015, 11:30:19 AM
what sort of timescale these teams been picked from, none of them would be an all time team or even a team of the past 25yrs
tis gas how some people romantisise about how great football and hurling was back in the day.
Quote from: Keane on August 10, 2015, 12:46:17 PM
Quote from: illdecide on August 10, 2015, 11:41:25 AM
Surprised no-one mentioned Maurice Fitz
Probably wouldn't be in on the basis of it being the last 15 years.
I was about to. Played for Kerry up to 2001 so he qualifies as playing in the era. Had the pleasure of seeing his MOTM display in the Kerry County Final in 2005, will live long in the memory.
Graham Geraghty also.
Quote from: tippabu on August 11, 2015, 02:30:50 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 10, 2015, 11:30:19 AM
what sort of timescale these teams been picked from, none of them would be an all time team or even a team of the past 25yrs
tis gas how some people romantisise about how great football and hurling was back in the day.
it was feckin great ! good honest to god, no diving open football / hurling (still no diving in hurling, well there could be but the Tyrone hurling matches aren't televised) played by the best players in their respective counties. What did we have to compare it to btw?
Have had lots of debate and discussions around this over last week. So many silly teams but a lot of very good debate and teams picked aswell.
Stevie McDonnell put his team up the other day and in fairness there were 13 that I would have little argument with. Wouldn't have McMenamin or McConville on it myself, but they are hardly miles off either in fairness.
For me, you HAVE TO include:
Cluxton, 3 O'Sé's, Jordan, Kavanagh, Dooher, Gooch, Canavan, Bernard Brogan. All have shown sustained excellence over several years and all of them have done the business in the biggest games more often than not.
The half forward line is a nightmare to pick. I'm on record as stating that Brian McGuigan at his peak was one of my favourite players of the era. I probably prefer my centre forward to be more of a McGuigan type than a Declan O'Sullivan type..but, Declan was consistently excellent over a longer period and in fairness, Brian picked up the horrible eye injury which robbed us of seeing more of him at his best. I'm not going to argue much with anyone putting Dec on the wing and Brian at 11 on a team, but I've gone for Declan at 11. Dooher is at 10, and anyone arguing that just has no clue. 12...I've picked Galvin. Biased? Yeah probably. In a year or 2, it's very likely I'll pick Flynn here or Connolly or both of them. Flynn has been consistently very good since 2011, but based on Galvin being at the top of the game from 2004 to 2010 I've included Galvin for now. McConville just loses out as he did a lot of his best work inside. Connolly has only really hit the highest of high levels since 2013. He will be in this team before long though I've no doubt.
Inside line was easy to be honest. Gooch - Canavan - Brogan. Imagine trying to mark that!
When I put my own team into the actual competition I was after a few jars last weekend and I put Maurice Fitz at 14 ;D
Fullback is a major issue. Darran Fay would be a shoe-in if this were a 95-2015 team for me, but even though he played up to 2007 or so, he really had done his best work before 2000 and got a lot of trouble off lesser opponents in the latter years.
Seamus Moynihan was excellent at fullback in 2000, 2001 and 2002 (up to the final). Does he merit inclusion based on 2 and a bit years?
Neil McGee is a good defender and has been decent over last 3 or 4 years, but I don't think he's in the same bracket as those 2 above.
I'm willing to accept that I've fudged the issue at fullback somewhat with my selection, but I've been amazed the guy I've picked hasn't been mentioned more as he was a top notch defender. He did also play 3 for a few years and in a lot of big games.
Lacey was an excellent corner man before moving out. McGeeney wasn't a total lock at 6, but he was a huge influence over a number of years in fairness and I couldn't think of anyone I'd include ahead of him.
Anyway, this is what I'd pick as of right now.
1. Stephen Cluxton (Parnells & Dublin)
2. Marc O'Sé (An Gaeltacht and Kerry)
3. Tom O'Sullivan (Rathmore and Kerry)
4. Karl Lacey (Four Masters and Donegal)
5. Tomás O'Sé (An Gaeltacht and Kerry)
6. Kieran McGeeney (Mullaghbawn/Na Fianna and Armagh)
7. Philip Jordan (Moy and Tyrone)
8. Darragh O'Sé (An Gaeltacht and Kerry)
9. Seán Kavanagh (Moy and Tyrone)
10. Brian Dooher (Clan na Gael and Tyrone)
11. Declan O'Sullivan (Dromid Pearses and Kerry)
12. Paul Galvin (Finuge and Kerry)
13. Colm Cooper (Dr. Crokes and Kerry)
14. Peter Canavan (Errigal Ciarán and Tyrone)
15. Bernard Brogan (Oliver Plunketts/Eoghan Ruadh and Dublin)
This is tough. Not really entirely happy with my team but this is the best I can come up with:
S. Cluxton
SM Lockhart B. Owens K. Higgins
T O'Sé C. Gormley K. Lacey
D. O'Sé S. Cavanagh
B. Dooher C. McDonald P. Flynn
P. Joyce P. Canavan C. Cooper
So many great players not in that. Changed my mind on one or two while typing, very difficult.
That's a good team. I'd have Declan O'Sullivan instead of Padraig Joyce, but it's a good spread of counties and all. I think I'd have Diarmuid Connolly instead of Paul Flynn too. Your defence looks unreal though.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 11, 2015, 03:40:45 PM
That's a good team. I'd have Declan O'Sullivan instead of Padraig Joyce, but it's a good spread of counties and all. I think I'd have Diarmuid Connolly instead of Paul Flynn too. Your defence looks unreal though.
Thanks AZ.
Connolly v. Flynn was one of the tough calls I made and I just went with Flynn on consistency over a longer period of time up to now. Connolly currently in better form and the best player in the country in my view and after both their careers Connolly will probably be regarded as the better player. For now though it's Flynn for me. I'd happily take either.
Hard to argue against Declan O'Sullivan either. I would have had him more as a half forward and just couldn't squeeze him in there. Joyce's 2001 final display sticks with me as iconic. "Kick it in to me" He then carried Galway in leaner times towards the back end of that decade.
Liked the cut of my defense also, some mean fcukers who can play ball.
1. Cluxton
2. Canty
3. McCarthy
4. Higgins
5. T O'Se
6. Moynihan
7. Lkeegan
8. Darragh O'Se
9. David Moran
10. Maurice fitz
11. Micheal donnellan
12. C mcdonald
13. Canavan
14. A oSE
15. Gooch
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 11, 2015, 03:39:18 PM
This is tough. Not really entirely happy with my team but this is the best I can come up with:
S. Cluxton
SM Lockhart B. Owens K. Higgins
T O'Sé C. Gormley K. Lacey
D. O'Sé S. Cavanagh
B. Dooher C. McDonald P. Flynn
P. Joyce P. Canavan C. Cooper
So many great players not in that. Changed my mind on one or two while typing, very difficult.
Yea i like this team, but Maurice Fitz qualifies and he goes on at 15 with Gooch switching, and I would have Glen Ryan or the Pony ahead of Gormley. Very hard to leave Joyce & Murphy & Stevie from Killeavey out though. Limerick's John Galvin might put both of those midfielders under pressure.
Michael Donnellan is another I would like to put in.
So in conclusion I can't pick a team and limit it to 15.
Cluxton - Did not revolutionize the position like some think he did but he is easily the GoAT at this position.
Marc O'Se - I'm most iffy on this position - I went with the player I feel is the best footballer here.
Neil McGee
Keith Higgins
Tomas O'Se
Kieran McGeeney
Karl Lacey
Darragh O'Se
Aidan O'Shea - Very young for this list but absolutely immense in the air.
Paul Flynn
Sean Cavanagh
Ciaran McDonald
Peter Canavan
Michael Murphy
Colm Cooper
Michael Donnellan (and pointedly not Joyce) would be the player I'd feel worst about leaving out.
Quote from: Syferus on August 11, 2015, 05:46:21 PM
Cluxton - Did not revolutionize the position like some think he did but he is easily the GoAT at this position.
Marc O'Se - I'm most iffy on this position - I went with the player I feel is the best footballer here.
Neil McGee
Keith Higgins
Tomas O'Se
Kieran McGeeney
Karl Lacey
Darragh O'Se
Aidan O'Shea - Very young for this list but absolutely immense in the air.
Paul Flynn
Sean Cavanagh
Ciaran McDonald
Peter Canavan
Michael Murphy
Colm Cooper
Michael Donnellan (and pointedly not Joyce) would be the player I'd feel worst about leaving out.
This team is probably close to mine, the problem with these discussions is the cut off, ie if you played in these years should you be counted even though your best years were before this period
Also positions are an issue as some players especially in today's game did not play set positions
Main changes I would make is SM Lockhart into the fullback line
I would put Benny coulter in the forwards probably in front of Flynn
And can't believe I am leaving out, Joyce, donnellan, McDonnell 3 of my all time favorites
I do be a bit biased by the compromise rules series, I know it's a different game and suits more physical players, but I also think it's a great leveller as to who are really great players as opposed to being part of great teams, and coulter and Lockhart were 2 of the all time greats in my opinion in them series and that is part of the reason I think they have to be in this team
Quote from: muppet on August 11, 2015, 05:20:39 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 11, 2015, 03:39:18 PM
This is tough. Not really entirely happy with my team but this is the best I can come up with:
S. Cluxton
SM Lockhart B. Owens K. Higgins
T O'Sé C. Gormley K. Lacey
D. O'Sé S. Cavanagh
B. Dooher C. McDonald P. Flynn
P. Joyce P. Canavan C. Cooper
So many great players not in that. Changed my mind on one or two while typing, very difficult.
Yea i like this team, but Maurice Fitz qualifies and he goes on at 15 with Gooch switching, and I would have Glen Ryan or the Pony ahead of Gormley. Very hard to leave Joyce & Murphy & Stevie from Killeavey out though. Limerick's John Galvin might put both of those midfielders under pressure.
Michael Donnellan is another I would like to put in.
So in conclusion I can't pick a team and limit it to 15.
Good points and all tight calls for me too.
Maurice is probably my favourite footballer ever so I can't believe I left him out. I just felt he didn't play enough in 2000 to 2015 but if I'm honest that day in Killarney that I saw him in the Kerry county final was enough on its own. Awesome in every way imaginable.
Considered both Glen Ryan and Moynihan for centre back and for much the same reason just gave the nod to Gormley. The era covers his whole career whereas Ryan's best days were probably pre-2000. Moynihan played in the FB line later in his career (in this era) and in my selection that probably led to him falling between two stools.
The two midfielders just had to be in for consistency over that period. Others, like Galvin, may have hit even greater heights for shorter spells though. Dermot Early another example. Even a rare day that Darragh came off second best he was good I always felt.
I tried to do this and its too hard. There had been some unreal players and especially forwards in the past fifteen years. The all Ireland winners will always into the majority of these fifteens but players like Browne, McDonald ,Doyle, Bradley and especially my club mate Benny Coulter were double and trebled marked for years and still were top class players.
Quote from: T O Hare on August 11, 2015, 11:22:04 PM
I tried to do this and its too hard. There had been some unreal players and especially forwards in the past fifteen years. The all Ireland winners will always into the majority of these fifteens but players like Browne, McDonald ,Doyle, Bradley and especially my club mate Benny Coulter were double and trebled marked for years and still were top class players.
It would be interesting to see people name a first team and then a second team. It would throw up many more interesting choices by getting the big names out of the way.
I submitted a team, cant remember exactly who all was on it, but the first player I picked was Moynihan. I cant believe how many of youse boys haven't even considered him :-\
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 12, 2015, 02:43:08 PM
I submitted a team, cant remember exactly who all was on it, but the first player I picked was Moynihan. I cant believe how many of youse boys haven't even considered him :-\
One more vote for him 5 Sams. :)
Stephen Cluxton
Marc O'Se
Barry Owens
Keith Higgins
Tomas O'Se
Kieran McGeeney
Seamus Moynihan
Darragh O'Se
Paul McGrane
Paul Flynn
Sean Cavanagh
Brian Dooher
Stevie McDonnell
Bernard Brogan
Colm Cooper
One of your heroes thinks along the same lines Rufus!
http://www.joe.ie/sport/oisin-mcconvilles-pick-of-the-best-gaelic-football-team-of-the-last-15-years-would-take-some-beating/507884?utm_content=buffer00062&utm_medium=Social+organic&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 11, 2015, 03:40:45 PM
That's a good team. I'd have Declan O'Sullivan instead of Padraig Joyce
Ara Jaysus. O'Sullivan was a very fine player but he wasn't as good as PJ.
I think he was. He was a scorer, and set up man and a ball winner. He was a vital component on those Kerry teams.
This is one little thing I've noticed with a lot of the debate on this (and also around the time he announced his retirement) that Declan O'Sullivan appears to be very underrated outside of Kerry. I would have thought the 11 jersey was a straight battle between Declan and Brian McGuigan. From 2003 to 2009 (with a bad 2005 final and few bad months in 2006 in the middle) Declan O'Sullivan was a massive influence for Kerry. I could say a lot, but I think a good measure of a player is how they perform under pressure and/or in a losing team. Anyone who can, should go watch Declan's performance in the 2008 Final when flanked by Eoin Brosnan and Bryan Sheehan (who were both useless in the day) he continually carried the game to Tyrone. He was marked by Philip Jordan, who I included in my 15 earlier such is the esteem I hold him in, but that day Declan burned him on several occasions. It was strangely enough, one of the standout memories I have of him.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 12, 2015, 03:27:14 PM
This is one little thing I've noticed with a lot of the debate on this (and also around the time he announced his retirement) that Declan O'Sullivan appears to be very underrated outside of Kerry. I would have thought the 11 jersey was a straight battle between Declan and Brian McGuigan. From 2003 to 2009 (with a bad 2005 final and few bad months in 2006 in the middle) Declan O'Sullivan was a massive influence for Kerry. I could say a lot, but I think a good measure of a player is how they perform under pressure and/or in a losing team. Anyone who can, should go watch Declan's performance in the 2008 Final when flanked by Eoin Brosnan and Bryan Sheehan (who were both useless in the day) he continually carried the game to Tyrone. He was marked by Philip Jordan, who I included in my 15 earlier such is the esteem I hold him in, but that day Declan burned him on several occasions. It was strangely enough, one of the standout memories I have of him.
What made his evolution so much more impressive for me is how his game changed over the years to suit Kerry. He was the archetype nippy corner forward in his younger days. He changed into this leader, driving at the opposition and laying the ball off or scoring himself, winning dirty ball. He had his faults temperament wise at times, but as a player I thought he was great.
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 12, 2015, 02:43:08 PM
I submitted a team, cant remember exactly who all was on it, but the first player I picked was Moynihan. I cant believe how many of youse boys haven't even considered him :-\
I have the Pony in at 5. Certainly despite the roastings he took against Armagh and Tyrone in his last few years he was one of the best footballing half and indeed full backs to watch.
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 12, 2015, 02:43:08 PM
I submitted a team, cant remember exactly who all was on it, but the first player I picked was Moynihan. I cant believe how many of youse boys haven't even considered him :-\
Agree 100%. Maybe it's a reflection of the age of some of the posters who have submitted teams but Moynihan would have strong claims to be the best defender Kerry have produced which would make him a good shout for best defender ever. Not a man to career up the field for a score very often but as a defender there was few, if any, who were better. Neither Jordan or the two O'Se's were for a start.
1. Stephen Cluxton
2. Marc O'Sé
3. Conor Gormley
4. Keith Higgins corner back is a tight call between the two in there, SM lockhart & ricey
5. Tomás O'Sé
6. Karl Lacey
7. Philip Jordan
8. Darragh O'Sé
9. Seán Kavanagh
10. Brian Dooher
11. Declan O'Sullivan
with Mcguigan possibly only losing out because I have a lot of tyrone players in there and he missed a fair bit of football in that period too, honourable mention also for Kieran Mac
12. Paul Galvin could just as easily have been Paul flynn
13. Colm Cooper
14. Peter Canavan
15. Bernard Brogan , just shades out micheal murphy, who could well be consider for the next 10 years team
possibly a bit bias, but a lot of them are borderline calls.
certs for me where canavan, gooch,cluxton, Jordan, tomas ose & dooher. Hard to look past that midfield paring either.
Tyrone x 5
kerry x 6
Dublin x 2
Donegal x 1
mayo x 1
in fact, now that I add those up, Mcguigan is in ahead of Osullivan :P
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 12, 2015, 03:55:04 PM
1. Stephen Cluxton
2. Marc O'Sé
3. Conor Gormley
4. Keith Higgins corner back is a tight call between the two in there, SM lockhart & ricey
5. Tomás O'Sé
6. Karl Lacey
7. Philip Jordan
8. Darragh O'Sé
9. Seán Kavanagh
10. Brian Dooher
11. Declan O'Sullivan
with Mcguigan possibly only losing out because I have a lot of tyrone players in there and he missed a fair bit of football in that period too, honourable mention also for Kieran Mac
12. Paul Galvin could just as easily have been Paul flynn
13. Colm Cooper
14. Peter Canavan
15. Bernard Brogan , just shades out micheal murphy, who could well be consider for the next 10 years team
possibly a bit bias, but a lot of them are borderline calls.
certs for me where canavan, gooch,cluxton, Jordan, tomas ose & dooher. Hard to look past that midfield paring either.
Tyrone x 5
kerry x 6
Dublin x 2
Donegal x 1
mayo x 1
in fact, now that I add those up, Mcguigan is in ahead of Osullivan :P
That's one of the more reasonable teams I've seen in fairness!
Fullback is a conundrum and my solution was no better than yours, so can't argu too much. Personally think Anthony Lynch was a better corner back than Higgins and that McGeeney deserves serious consideration aswell (I put Lacey at 4, McGeeney at 6).
Otherwise I entirely agree with the selection.
Just to throw my tuppence worth into the equation
1. Stephen Cluxton
2. Conor Gormley
3. Seamus Moynihan
4. Marc O Sé
5. Tomas O Sé
6. Kieran McGeeney
7. Philip Jordan
8. Dara O Sé
9. Sean Cavanagh
10. Brian Dooher
11. Padraig Joyce
12. Paul Flynn
13. Bernard Brogan
14. Peter Canavan
15. Colm Cooper
For me the full forward line, midfield, half back line and goal keeper pick themselves.
Centre half forward- There's plenty of choice Brian McGuigan and Declan O'Sullivan are certainly both in the reckoning.
Full back line- I think the two corner back positions are very difficult to select. I couldn't really complain with anyone picking Keith Higgins, Ryan McMenamin or Sean Marty ahead of my selections. Gormley's probably under appreciated outside of Tyrone but he was the heartbeat of the Tyrone team of the 2000s. Set the tone for everyone else.
I have thrown a team together, sure I'm missing some absolute greats, but here goes.
As a general principle, I have gone on the level of consistent greatness over the period (so M Fitz doesnt get in, but not due to lack of talent. Similarly, in a few years the team from 2001-2020 might include the likes of A O'Shea, Lee Keegan, M Murphy, D Connolly etc
S Cluxton
K Lacey
S Moynihan
K Higgins
T O'Se
K McGeeney
P Jordan
D O'Se
S Cavanagh
P Joyce
C McDonald
P Flynn
P Canavan
S McDonnell
C Cooper
4 x Kerry
3 x Tyrone
2 x Dublin
2 x Mayo
2 x Armagh
1 x Donegal
1 x Galway
I think that spread is fair, given the All-Irelands won in the period.
It sticks out that Mayo have 2, ahead of Donegal and Galway, but I put this down to two reasons:
1) I'm from Mayo 8)
2) Mayo have had 2 different teams/periods in the 15 years, compared to the other teams spending extended time in the doldrums
Really is a difficult task - if I spent longer at it, I would change it every 5 minutes....
I'm very surprised to be only one to pick Paddy Bradley so far, by the looks of things he is savagely underrated on here, particularly when you consider he broke onto the scene right at the beginning of the 00s. I think the best way to describe him today would be he was throughout his Derry career he was the equivalent to Derry as to what McManus is to Monaghan right now. Unfortunately he didn't get an awful lot of big days out in Croke Park but when he did he was majestic, the 2001 semi-final against Galway, 2004 semi-final against Kerry, 2004 quarter final against Dublin - he was consistently excellent in that period and would definitely be regarded higher in that time period if he had played for one of the more dominant counties back then. What was it he took Dessie Mone for a few years back, 2-08 or something with the bulk of it coming from play?
I would doubt that there would have been any player in that time period who would notch up the tally of scores from play against quality opposition that Bradley did.
Special mention to Muldoon as well, another really underrated player. I also think Dan Gordon is a player who never really got the plaudits he deserved in that time period.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 13, 2015, 06:48:49 PM
I'm very surprised to be only one to pick Paddy Bradley so far, by the looks of things he is savagely underrated on here, particularly when you consider he broke onto the scene right at the beginning of the 00s. I think the best way to describe him today would be he was throughout his Derry career he was the equivalent to Derry as to what McManus is to Monaghan right now. Unfortunately he didn't get an awful lot of big days out in Croke Park but when he did he was majestic, the 2001 semi-final against Galway, 2004 semi-final against Kerry, 2004 quarter final against Dublin - he was consistently excellent in that period and would definitely be regarded higher in that time period if he had played for one of the more dominant counties back then. What was it he took Dessie Mone for a few years back, 2-08 or something with the bulk of it coming from play?
I would doubt that there would have been any player in that time period who would notch up the tally of scores from play against quality opposition that Bradley did.
Special mention to Muldoon as well, another really underrated player. I also think Dan Gordon is a player who never really got the plaudits he deserved in that time period.
There are some outstanding players that aren't featuring much in the debate.
Paddy certainly was an excellent player and that performance in 2007 when he almost single handedly beat the Dubs was memorable.
But are you picking him ahead of Cooper, Canavan, Brogan, McDonnell in the full forward line for this team? Definitely not IMO.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 13, 2015, 08:23:48 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 13, 2015, 06:48:49 PM
I'm very surprised to be only one to pick Paddy Bradley so far, by the looks of things he is savagely underrated on here, particularly when you consider he broke onto the scene right at the beginning of the 00s. I think the best way to describe him today would be he was throughout his Derry career he was the equivalent to Derry as to what McManus is to Monaghan right now. Unfortunately he didn't get an awful lot of big days out in Croke Park but when he did he was majestic, the 2001 semi-final against Galway, 2004 semi-final against Kerry, 2004 quarter final against Dublin - he was consistently excellent in that period and would definitely be regarded higher in that time period if he had played for one of the more dominant counties back then. What was it he took Dessie Mone for a few years back, 2-08 or something with the bulk of it coming from play?
I would doubt that there would have been any player in that time period who would notch up the tally of scores from play against quality opposition that Bradley did.
Special mention to Muldoon as well, another really underrated player. I also think Dan Gordon is a player who never really got the plaudits he deserved in that time period.
There are some outstanding players that aren't featuring much in the debate.
Paddy certainly was an excellent player and that performance in 2007 when he almost single handedly beat the Dubs was memorable.
But are you picking him ahead of Cooper, Canavan, Brogan, McDonnell in the full forward line for this team? Definitely not IMO.
I have McDonnell and Canavan ahead of him and it's a toss of the coin between McDonnell and Canavan. The thing is none of those players with the exception of Canavan for a large chunk of his career had in anyway the sort of reliance from their county that Bradley had from his. I know it's difficult to measure as Bradley didn't have that many days in Croke Park but he did have many of them in Ulster during his career and in his intercounty career you've had 8 of the 9 Ulster teams make an All Ireland QF (Cavan being the only just to make it the once), 6 of them make the semi-final stage, 4 of them make the final and 3 of them sharing 5 All Irelands and in that time period I would have to say that Bradley was the finest forward in the province. It's not as if Ulster was short of them either.
He was an absolute scoring machine despite the close attention he received and quality of marker he faced on a consistent basis.
Her is my team:
Cluxton
M O'Se
S Moynihan
K Higgins
T O'Se
K McGeeney
P Jordan
D O'Se
S Cavanagh
B Dooher
D O'Sullivan
D Connolly
C Cooper
P Canavan
S McDonnell
A lot of tight calls were based on who had more Celtic crosses in their back pockets.
This is my team
Goalkeeper: Stephen Cluxton - Dublin
Right Corner Back: Conor Gormley - Tyrone
Full Back: Seamus Moynihan - Kerry
Left Corner Back: Keith Higgins - Mayo
Right Half Back: Tomas Ó'Sé - Kerry
Centre Half Back: Kieran McGeeney - Armagh
Left Half Back: Philip Jordan - Tyrone
Midfield: Darragh Ó'Sé - Kerry
Midfield: Sean Cavanagh - Tyrone
Right Half Forward: Brian Dooher - Tyrone
Center Half Forward: Colm Cooper - Kerry
Left Half Forward: Declan O'Sullivan - Kerry
Right Corner Forward: Steven McDonnell - Armagh
Full Forward: Stephen O'Neill - Tyrone
Left Corner Forward: Peter Canavan - Tyrone
The ones in bold are my must haves on the team.
Players to miss out only just, were Marc Ó Sé, Karl Lacey, Padraig Joyce, Brian McGuigan.
If the following play well over next 5 years they would probably make the 15 for 20, from Dublin, Flynn, Connelly & Brogan.
And Murphy from Donegal.
Flynn. Connolly and Murphy are already better than some of those players already in teams
1. Stephen Cluxton
2. S.M.Lockhart
3. Neil McGee
4. Keith Higgins
5. Tomas O Sé
6. Kieran McGeeney
7. Philip Jordan
8. Dara O Sé
9. Anthony Tohill
10. Brian Dooher
11. Declan O'Sullivan
12. Diarmuid Connolly
13. Peter Canavan
14. Michael Murphy
15. Colm Cooper
Here is my 15. There hasn't been a bad team picked yet. The two Derry men I picked I genuinely felt were the best in their positions, tried my best to keep bias out of it. Some very close, Sean Cavanagh especially. The likes of Moynihan and Brogan too were hard to omit.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 21, 2015, 02:56:21 PM
Flynn. Connolly and Murphy are already better than some of those players already in teams
Who do think they are better than and why?
Forgot about SM Lockhart, but feel he would have just missed out as well.
The likes of Tohil and Fitzgearld I believe played their best football in 90's and only played a few games in the last 15 years at the top level.
Surprised by the number of people opting for Jordan ahead of Gormley. Just from a general perception I would gauge that Gormley would be more highly regarded inside Tyrone.
Jordan was a better footballer in my opinion. Gormley was a great stopper, but I'd rate Jordan as a ball player a bit higher.
I'm sorry Oakleaf but picking Tohill over Cavanagh on a team from the last 15 years is a bad call.
If it was a straight shootout between them both across their full careers then I would hold my hands up and say it would be a great argument to have, BUT, this team is based on 2000 - 2015 and there is only 1 winner I am afraid.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 21, 2015, 03:13:06 PM
Surprised by the number of people opting for Jordan ahead of Gormley. Just from a general perception I would gauge that Gormley would be more highly regarded inside Tyrone.
Not by me I would have to say. Jordan was prob my favourite Tyrone player over the last 15 years. Consistently excellent regardless of the opposition.
Jordan is the type players who was never dropped. I think he held the Tyrone record for the most consecutive starts.
All the players mention here are good players, but to pick the 15 best you really need to look at some of the special things some of them had.
For example Aidan O'Mahony (a very good player) is supposed to be dropped for the match this weekend. The likes of Tomas Ó Sé or Seamus Moynihan would always have started even if only half fit, not dropped. That why the likes them were on my list as they that bit more special.
And likes Peter Canavan hobbling around injured could still make a big impact in an All Ireland final, says it all.
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on August 21, 2015, 03:53:38 PM
Jordan is the type players who was never dropped. I think he held the Tyrone record for the most consecutive starts.
All the players mention here are good players, but to pick the 15 best you really need to look at some of the special things some of them had.
For example Aidan O'Mahony (a very good player) is supposed to be dropped for the match this weekend. The likes of Tomas Ó Sé or Seamus Moynihan would always have started even if only half fit, not dropped. That why the likes them were on my list as they that bit more special.
And likes Peter Canavan hobbling around injured could still make a big impact in an All Ireland final, says it all.
Mahony missed 2 weeks due to his wedding. (planned with the belief he'd be retired now obviously). Management made a call to not start him due to missed time and others doing well in his absence. It's not a selection based on his form or anything.
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Quote from: Stall the Bailer on August 21, 2015, 03:53:38 PM
Jordan is the type players who was never dropped. I think he held the Tyrone record for the most consecutive starts.
All the players mention here are good players, but to pick the 15 best you really need to look at some of the special things some of them had.
For example Aidan O'Mahony (a very good player) is supposed to be dropped for the match this weekend. The likes of Tomas Ó Sé or Seamus Moynihan would always have started even if only half fit, not dropped. That why the likes them were on my list as they that bit more special.
And likes Peter Canavan hobbling around injured could still make a big impact in an All Ireland final, says it all.
Mahony missed 2 weeks due to his wedding. (planned with the belief he'd be retired now obviously). Management made a call to not start him due to missed time and others doing well in his absence. It's not a selection based on his form or anything.
That may be true, or they may think Crowley is better suited for the Tyrone game. Either way, if it had been Seamus or Tomas in Aidan's situation I believe they would have started. Aidan could still start. Just my opinion, you are better placed to say who is better between Aidan and Seamus.
Hearty
McMenamin, Moynihan, M O'Se
T O'Se, McGeeney, Lacey
Tohill, D O'Se
C McDonald, Cooper, Fitzgerald
Canavan, Murphy, McDonnell
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Surprised by the number of people opting for Jordan ahead of Gormley. Just from a general perception I would gauge that Gormley would be more highly regarded inside Tyrone.
Not by me I would have to say. Jordan was prob my favourite Tyrone player over the last 15 years. Consistently excellent regardless of the opposition.
Jordan rarely made a mistake. In the '05 final he could easily have been MOTM. Who got it by the way?
F*ck it here goes.
I will play an orthodox back six, two man midfield, and a 1 5 system up front.
Clucko
Marc
Darren Fay
Keith
The Pony
Glen Ryan
Tomas
Tohill
Dara
Ciaran McD
Maurice Fitz
PTG
Gooch
Stevie from Killeavey
SON/PJ
Defend against that team!
Did Maurice fitz even start a championship game in last 15 years. I thought he was mainly used as a sub by 2000.
Did nobody include PJ McGrane?
The final selection.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPxrXcqWIAAELu8.jpg)
Joyce before Brogan, Michael Murphy (the best 14 of the period without question) and Michael Donnellan? Yeah, ok.
In terms of Galway alone, Joyce had a great career but even at his peak he didn't have the electricity of Donnellan. I think people forget just how exceptional a footballer Donnellan was before the injuries, and the whole point is to pick the best players removed from things like that. Both key to their AI wins but if I had to take one it would have been Donnellan. Seems like a bit of a token pick because of his reputation tbh.
Dooher before Ciaran Mc is also a bit madcap.
Our Keith the only one there without a AI Medal. All the rest have at least 2 bar Geezer! I do often wonder on Marc Ó'sé does he get a bit more credit cos of Dara and Tomas? Good player. Great? Not so sure?
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 26, 2015, 08:58:06 PM
Our Keith the only one there without a AI Medal. All the rest have at least 2 bar Geezer! I do often wonder on Marc Ó'sé does he get a bit more credit cos of Dara and Tomas? Good player. Great? Not so sure?
You obviously haven't watched much football in the last 10 years.
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 26, 2015, 09:12:49 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 26, 2015, 08:58:06 PM
Our Keith the only one there without a AI Medal. All the rest have at least 2 bar Geezer! I do often wonder on Marc Ó'sé does he get a bit more credit cos of Dara and Tomas? Good player. Great? Not so sure?
You obviously haven't watched much football in the last 10 years.
Ah, don't get me wrong! He a good one! Just to make a list like this you have to be a bit more. Anyway every one has their blind side when it comes to some players?
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Quote from: From the Bunker on September 26, 2015, 08:58:06 PM
Our Keith the only one there without a AI Medal. All the rest have at least 2 bar Geezer! I do often wonder on Marc Ó'sé does he get a bit more credit cos of Dara and Tomas? Good player. Great? Not so sure?
You obviously haven't watched much football in the last 10 years.
I'd agree with him. Marc does get a wee bit too much praise. Corner-back hasn't produced many great players in years. Higgins would be the only cast iron one for me. O'Se might well be the second best in that 15 year period but it's almost by default.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on September 26, 2015, 08:58:06 PM
Our Keith the only one there without a AI Medal. All the rest have at least 2 bar Geezer! I do often wonder on Marc Ó'sé does he get a bit more credit cos of Dara and Tomas? Good player. Great? Not so sure?
You obviously haven't watched much football in the last 10 years.
I'd agree with him. Marc does get a wee bit too much praise. Corner-back hasn't produced many great players in years. Higgins would be the only cast iron one for me. O'Se might well be the second best in that 15 year period but it's almost by default.
Yet there is a corner back, who has won two all-stars in the period, that hasn't even been mentioned once since the thread started.
Did Karl Lacey not win two of his all stars at corner back ?
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Our Keith the only one there without a AI Medal. All the rest have at least 2 bar Geezer! I do often wonder on Marc Ó'sé does he get a bit more credit cos of Dara and Tomas? Good player. Great? Not so sure?
You obviously haven't watched much football in the last 10 years.
I'd agree with him. Marc does get a wee bit too much praise. Corner-back hasn't produced many great players in years. Higgins would be the only cast iron one for me. O'Se might well be the second best in that 15 year period but it's almost by default.
Yet there is a corner back, who has won two all-stars in the period, that hasn't even been mentioned once since the thread started.
Ricey
Quote from: rrhf on September 27, 2015, 07:43:01 AM
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Quote from: From the Bunker on September 26, 2015, 08:58:06 PM
Our Keith the only one there without a AI Medal. All the rest have at least 2 bar Geezer! I do often wonder on Marc Ó'sé does he get a bit more credit cos of Dara and Tomas? Good player. Great? Not so sure?
You obviously haven't watched much football in the last 10 years.
I'd agree with him. Marc does get a wee bit too much praise. Corner-back hasn't produced many great players in years. Higgins would be the only cast iron one for me. O'Se might well be the second best in that 15 year period but it's almost by default.
Yet there is a corner back, who has won two all-stars in the period, that hasn't even been mentioned once since the thread started.
Ricey
Ah he's been mentioned plenty of times, and rightly so. As has Lacey. It was John Keane I was getting at. I guess if your county hasn't been successful then you don't have a hope in a poll like this. But when you're following one of the few team sports in the world that doesn't have a transfer system you need to think outside the box sometimes. If Keane was playing for Kerry or Tyrone from 2003-2009 he would be on everyone's team.
Quote from: shark on September 27, 2015, 07:50:54 AM
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Quote from: From the Bunker on September 26, 2015, 08:58:06 PM
Our Keith the only one there without a AI Medal. All the rest have at least 2 bar Geezer! I do often wonder on Marc Ó'sé does he get a bit more credit cos of Dara and Tomas? Good player. Great? Not so sure?
You obviously haven't watched much football in the last 10 years.
I'd agree with him. Marc does get a wee bit too much praise. Corner-back hasn't produced many great players in years. Higgins would be the only cast iron one for me. O'Se might well be the second best in that 15 year period but it's almost by default.
Yet there is a corner back, who has won two all-stars in the period, that hasn't even been mentioned once since the thread started.
Ricey
Ah he's been mentioned plenty of times, and rightly so. As has Lacey. It was John Keane I was getting at. I guess if your county hasn't been successful then you don't have a hope in a poll like this. But when you're following one of the few team sports in the world that doesn't have a transfer system you need to think outside the box sometimes. If Keane was playing for Kerry or Tyrone from 2003-2009 he would be on everyone's team.
Or Dublin in that period. Exactly the type of player they were missing, would have won an AI with him in the corner taking down the Gooch or Canavan. Joe Higgins (another fine player) is usually mentioned ahead of JK for some strange reason as well.
On unrelated matters hearing that we will have dedicated U21 manager this year for the first time since 2007 and will be ratified when Cribbin is. About time.