Brolly called out JO'D in the first Kerry v Cork match for going to ground holding his face. More pundits should do this. Shields was an embarrassment last night. They should be held out for ridicule by the pundits on the live show and on TSG. Them McHugh boys would crop up a time or two making their aul fella a bit uncomfortable. How many McHugh's are there? On a windy day in Kilcar the streets must we strewn with McHughs who felt a a slight touch.
The game doesn't need this shyte. Embarrass the bejaysus out of them and they will soon quit.
The entire Tyrone team for a start
100% agree. Shields should have got a black card. The sooner refs punish this stuff the better. Well done to RTE commentary for highlighting it and basically calling Shields a cheat and a fraud which is all he was.
It would be great if the GAA got involved in handing out retrospective bans, for stuff like this, after they have reviewed match footage. As much as we slate refs, they can't be expected to see everything. Linking action to stuff that the ref does or does not see or act upon, or put into his match report, means that the cute players get away with murder.
If a ban per incident is too severe, then give each player a quota. If you receive two post match sanctions for unsportsmanlike conduct, you get an automatic one match ban. It can cover all kinds of dodgy carry on, from play acting and diving and trying to get your man sent off, to off the ball acts of thuggery that the refs don't see.
Aidan O'Shea, the McHugh Brothers and the king of them all James O'Donaghue. There are plenty of others. In fairness you can play honest and get taken for a ride by the top inter-county defenders. It's down to how much of a fool you are because if you don't protect yourself by exaggerating fouls you'll get hurt and more so your maker will cheat at an even higher level to keep you out of the game.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 19, 2015, 09:51:10 PM
Aidan O'Shea, the McHugh Brothers and the king of them all James O'Donaghue. There are plenty of others. In fairness you can play honest and get taken for a ride by the top inter-county defenders. It's down to how much of a fool you are because if you don't protect yourself by exaggerating fouls you'll get hurt and more so your maker will cheat at an even higher level to keep you out of the game.
Don't forget Donal Vaughan - he's been on the ground holding his face rolling around more times than the rest combined
The media could take a steer from the Aussie Rules commentators on this. Anybody dives or pulls out of a tackle in their matches gets absolutely hammered and embarrassed in the analysis.
Funnily enough it doesn't happen too often.
Good idea
Should have a roll of shame each week on Sunday game for fellas feigning injury where there was clearly no contact.
About time something was done to stop this embarrassing rubbish - and if croke park don't then the Sunday game should.
If the Sunday game don't then it should be done on this website!
Aye, watching some of these games you would nearly think there was a sniper in the stand.
Aidan O Mahony's was pretty bad back in 08 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHuU3EdJ1NQ
The reason they do it is because it's rewarding. Get a man sent off for it a la Aidan O'Mahoney or Phillip Jordan and you can win a game for your side. It's hard for the refs to call an incident that went on for a split second behind their back. There should be a post match ban consisting of 2 games for any player that succeeds in getting a man sent off. That's sufficient time for them to lose their place on a starting team and would hopefully be sufficient deterrent.
Cavanagh's another one who would be a diver but oddly I don't think he's as big on the old face-holding.
There is a penalty for diving and injury feigning, but it's not severe enough (yellow card) and its severity is irrelevant anyway because referees, true to form, are not implementing it. Deegan on Saturday decided that Shileds was feigning injury because he motioned to him to get up, gave no free and took no action against Geaney(?). Why then did he not follow the rule and card Shields?
I've NEVER see the rule applied. That's farcical and indicates that the powers that be don't recognise this carry-on as a problem. I assume, as usual, it will only become a matter of concern if/when the Sunday Game decides so. So over to you Colm, Joe, et al.
Add Dick Clerkin to that list and Lundy.
Can't remember now if it was the Donegal full back or full forward (think it was full back) who I saw in the background yesterday when a shot was hit over or wide. He was pushed in the chest and dived to the ground and rolled about holding his face.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 20, 2015, 09:06:33 AM
Add Dick Clerkin to that list and Lundy.
Big Dick doesn't dive.
There is a penalty for diving and injury feigning, but it's not severe enough (yellow card) and its severity is irrelevant anyway because referees, true to form, are not implementing it. Deegan on Saturday decided that Shileds was feigning injury because he motioned to him to get up, gave no free and took no action against Geaney(?). Why then did he not follow the rule and card Shields?
I've NEVER see the rule applied. That's farcical and indicates that the powers that be don't recognise this carry-on as a problem. I assume, as usual, it will only become a matter of concern if/when the Sunday Game decides so. So over to you Colm, Joe, et al.
People are correctly giving out about Shiels on Saturday night but what about Geaney? If he hadn't of shouldered him he couldn't have done what he did? Mc Stay went on and on about poor discipline of Derry on Saturday against Galway but I felt Kerry's discipline was worse on Saturday and they got away with it. The Geaney incident with Shiels the Geaney sledging after the goal and what about Sheahan s elbow of the ball against the Cork Sub. Fitzmorris made a quick sub to get him off it worked for him but not for Cavan with Corr being called back on to be sent off. Will the CCC revisit that incident as it was not dealt with by the ref?
Quote from: smelmoth on July 19, 2015, 03:54:14 PM
Brolly called out JO'D in the first Kerry v Cork match for going to ground holding his face. More pundits should do this. Shields was an embarrassment last night. They should be held out for ridicule by the pundits on the live show and on TSG. Them McHugh boys would crop up a time or two making their aul fella a bit uncomfortable. How many McHugh's are there? On a windy day in Kilcar the streets must we strewn with McHughs who felt a a slight touch.
The game doesn't need this shyte. Embarrass the bejaysus out of them and they will soon quit.
Comedy gold!
Agreed
Chuck Redmond back in the day (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36cRFUUqp9Y)
Enda Lynn. No more needs be said.
Quote from: Hardy on July 20, 2015, 08:58:29 AM
There is a penalty for diving and injury feigning, but it's not severe enough (yellow card) and its severity is irrelevant anyway because referees, true to form, are not implementing it. Deegan on Saturday decided that Shileds was feigning injury because he motioned to him to get up, gave no free and took no action against Geaney(?). Why then did he not follow the rule and card Shields?
I've NEVER see the rule applied. That's farcical and indicates that the powers that be don't recognise this carry-on as a problem. I assume, as usual, it will only become a matter of concern if/when the Sunday Game decides so. So over to you Colm, Joe, et al.
Afics, Deegan wasn't sure what happened to Shields but could see he wasn't that hurt. He would have to have seen the incident in order to award a free, or on the other hand to be sure that Shields was feigning injury.
In Shields' case he was 100% feigning get struck and being hurt, in order to get an opposition player red carded.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 20, 2015, 09:06:33 AM
Add Dick Clerkin to that list and Lundy.
Dick was fouled and one that easily passed the generous standards of what Coldrick considered to be a foul in that game.
He definitely exaggerated the effect to waste time, not to get a player carded, neither was it an attempt to get a pointable free kick.
Dick's theatrics in added time, were a minor offence in the scheme of things.
Quote from: Main Street on July 20, 2015, 06:54:27 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 20, 2015, 08:58:29 AM
There is a penalty for diving and injury feigning, but it's not severe enough (yellow card) and its severity is irrelevant anyway because referees, true to form, are not implementing it. Deegan on Saturday decided that Shileds was feigning injury because he motioned to him to get up, gave no free and took no action against Geaney(?). Why then did he not follow the rule and card Shields?
I've NEVER see the rule applied. That's farcical and indicates that the powers that be don't recognise this carry-on as a problem. I assume, as usual, it will only become a matter of concern if/when the Sunday Game decides so. So over to you Colm, Joe, et al.
Afics, Deegan wasn't sure what happened to Shields but could see he wasn't that hurt. He would have to have seen the incident in order to award a free, or on the other hand to be sure that Shields was feigning injury.
In Shields' case he was 100% feigning get struck and being hurt, in order to get an opposition player red carded.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 20, 2015, 09:06:33 AM
Add Dick Clerkin to that list and Lundy.
Dick was fouled and one that easily passed the generous standards of what Coldrick considered to be a foul in that game.
He definitely exaggerated the effect to waste time, not to get a player carded, neither was it an attempt to get a pointable free kick.
Dick's theatrics in added time, were a minor offence in the scheme of things.
There is no doubt in the world he was doing exactly that! Clerkin dived to win a score-able free and bringing Beggan up was to waste time. It happened close to me and there was no way Clerkin didn't dive.
He did exactly the same against fermanagh too!
Quote from: Zulu on July 20, 2015, 07:47:46 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 20, 2015, 06:54:27 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 20, 2015, 08:58:29 AM
There is a penalty for diving and injury feigning, but it's not severe enough (yellow card) and its severity is irrelevant anyway because referees, true to form, are not implementing it. Deegan on Saturday decided that Shileds was feigning injury because he motioned to him to get up, gave no free and took no action against Geaney(?). Why then did he not follow the rule and card Shields?
I've NEVER see the rule applied. That's farcical and indicates that the powers that be don't recognise this carry-on as a problem. I assume, as usual, it will only become a matter of concern if/when the Sunday Game decides so. So over to you Colm, Joe, et al.
Afics, Deegan wasn't sure what happened to Shields but could see he wasn't that hurt. He would have to have seen the incident in order to award a free, or on the other hand to be sure that Shields was feigning injury.
In Shields' case he was 100% feigning get struck and being hurt, in order to get an opposition player red carded.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 20, 2015, 09:06:33 AM
Add Dick Clerkin to that list and Lundy.
Dick was fouled and one that easily passed the generous standards of what Coldrick considered to be a foul in that game.
He definitely exaggerated the effect to waste time, not to get a player carded, neither was it an attempt to get a pointable free kick.
Dick's theatrics in added time, were a minor offence in the scheme of things.
There is no doubt in the world he was doing exactly that! Clerkin dived to win a score-able free and bringing Beggan up was to waste time. It happened close to me and there was no way Clerkin didn't dive.
Hop off your high horse laddy.
The pertinent point is that Dick was fouled first, by the standards Coldrick had already set in the game with giving soft frees aplenty previous, then Dick dived and milked the foul to waste time. Very normal cynical stuff in added time and nothing to compare with the dastardly Shields feigning being struck in order to get a player sent off.
And scorable free my árse.
Stop acting a clown laddy. He did dive to win a score-able free, McManus would have pointed it but maybe I've more faith in your footballers ability than you do.
Quote from: Zulu on July 20, 2015, 11:12:00 PM
Stop acting a clown laddy. He did dive to win a score-able free, McManus would have pointed it but maybe I've more faith in your footballers ability than you do.
That was a foul according to Coldrick, Coldrick was looking straight at it, had the best view in the park and it was a foul according to the fouls he had been giving all day for an upraised arm at throat level that the attacker just runs into, same as the fouls that Donegal had been awarded in scorable positions.
That Dick dived after the foul and milked it, is a matter of record.
You do get the difference between that and Shields' feigning being struck to get a player red carded? Is that bit understood? You do get the differential scale of offences?
Perhaps Zulu you are alone in the GAA world if you think a high pressure kick, in added time, from 43m out, along the right sideline, with the breeze going from right to left, in an Ulster final which is going to the wire, is scorable? perhaps you are off your rocker, I don't know? Perhaps you also thought Maurice Fitz's last minute sideline kick in Thurles was also scorable? ;D It is the very rare exception that such a sideline kick, in those circumstance, is scored.
McManus had taken two frees from the left side and missed the more difficult one from the sideline about 30m out, and he's not first choice to take them from the right side, Kieran Hughes perhaps, but scorable? Monaghan use to miss most every 45m before Beggan came along, so he's the first choice from that far out.
And despite his quad injury he was probably twice as fast as Cluxton.
Every team in the country, every player in the country, would run down the clock in added time in those circumstances, to suggest anything else is rank hypocrisy, it's up to the ref to deal with it, it's no big deal for the ref to add on another minute, is it?
What I hate is a player landing in with the knees on a player on the ground, trying to get up or bent over.
That should be a straight red.
Refs seem to ignore it.
QuoteThat was a foul according to Coldrick, Coldrick was looking straight at it, had the best view in the park and it was a foul according to the fouls he had been giving all day for an upraised arm at throat level that the attacker just runs into, same as the fouls that Donegal had been awarded in scorable positions.
That Dick dived after the foul and milked it, is a matter of record.
You do get the difference between that and Shields' feigning being struck to get a player red carded? Is that bit understood? You do get the differential scale of offences?
Is there a reason you're posting drivel or are you just bored? I never mentioned anything about whether it was an illegal tackle or whether Donegal got similar frees. What Shields embarrassing shite has to do with what I've posted is a mystery as I never compared the two at any point.
QuotePerhaps Zulu you are alone in the GAA world if you think a high pressure kick, in added time, from 43m out, along the right sideline, with the breeze going from right to left, in an Ulster final which is going to the wire, is scorable? perhaps you are off your rocker, I don't know? Perhaps you also thought Maurice Fitz's last minute sideline kick in Thurles was also scorable? ;D It is the very rare exception that such a sideline kick, in those circumstance, is scored.
You do understand what the phrase score-able means, right?? It seems you don't so here's a clue, it's a free that could be scored, i.e it is not impossible. At inter county level that was a a score-able free, not a gimme but certainly score-able. If Beggan had put it over I don't think people's jaws would have hit the floor.
QuoteEvery team in the country, every player in the country, would run down the clock in added time in those circumstances, to suggest anything else is rank hypocrisy, it's up to the ref to deal with it, it's no big deal for the ref to add on another minute, is it?
You're an odd little man aren't you? Again, where in anything I've posted have I disputed that??
Let me clarify this for you as your obviously struggling.
My post was that Clerkin dived to get a score-able free and to waste time. The tackle may or may not have resulted in a free without the theatrics but Clerkin looked to ensure a free was awarded. He did this primarily to waste time but also because a free taker could have a shot at the posts. Now, if you want to discuss that please respond but if you're only going to shite talk about Shields, the ref, other teams and, good Christ, Maurice Fitz please don't bother as I haven't the time to engage in an argument that only exists in your tiny mind.
As a netural at the game, Dick dived and the contact wasn't enough to go down as he did. On top of that he exaggerated the extent of his injury to waste time. Happens all the time but just pointing it out. I have no bias whatsoever.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 21, 2015, 11:47:06 AM
As a netural at the game, Dick dived and the contact wasn't enough to go down as he did. On top of that he exaggerated the extent of his injury to waste time. Happens all the time but just pointing it out. I have no bias whatsoever.
Donegal done the same twice in the last 10 mins of the Ulster semi in Clones. It's part of the craic. That's one of the main reasons the clock should be stopped for injuries a la rugby union
Quote from: Blue in hope on July 20, 2015, 09:40:17 AM
There is a penalty for diving and injury feigning, but it's not severe enough (yellow card) and its severity is irrelevant anyway because referees, true to form, are not implementing it. Deegan on Saturday decided that Shileds was feigning injury because he motioned to him to get up, gave no free and took no action against Geaney(?). Why then did he not follow the rule and card Shields?
I've NEVER see the rule applied. That's farcical and indicates that the powers that be don't recognise this carry-on as a problem. I assume, as usual, it will only become a matter of concern if/when the Sunday Game decides so. So over to you Colm, Joe, et al.
People are correctly giving out about Shiels on Saturday night but what about Geaney? If he hadn't of shouldered him he couldn't have done what he did? Mc Stay went on and on about poor discipline of Derry on Saturday against Galway but I felt Kerry's discipline was worse on Saturday and they got away with it. The Geaney incident with Shiels the Geaney sledging after the goal and what about Sheahan s elbow of the ball against the Cork Sub. Fitzmorris made a quick sub to get him off it worked for him but not for Cavan with Corr being called back on to be sent off. Will the CCC revisit that incident as it was not dealt with by the ref?
Not surprised TSG didn't highlight Sheehan elbow. If was a Cavan/Fermanagh player it would be shown.Suppose there afraid to upset the big guns
Quote from: trileacman on July 20, 2015, 01:13:25 AM
The reason they do it is because it's rewarding. Get a man sent off for it a la Aidan O'Mahoney or Phillip Jordan and you can win a game for your side. It's hard for the refs to call an incident that went on for a split second behind their back. There should be a post match ban consisting of 2 games for any player that succeeds in getting a man sent off. That's sufficient time for them to lose their place on a starting team and would hopefully be sufficient deterrent.
Cavanagh's another one who would be a diver but oddly I don't think he's as big on the old face-holding.
The 2 Cavanaghs are big divers Colm in particular. Fond of rolling around.