I decided to open a new thread for this game as the Connacht championship one had "gone off track" to say the least.
Roscommon are obviously big favourites and deservedly so. A div 1 team against a middle of the table div 3 team.
Sligo play best when massive underdogs and I wouldn't be surprised if we gave Ros a good run for their money. Any news on challenges, injuries etc..
If we can hold our own at midfield we could do okay, can/will Murphy and Brehony get enough posession if that is who we pick?
Looking forward to this game, it could be a good game and much closer than people might think.
Roscommon are no great shakes in midfield but can your backs hold their forwards?
Quote from: sligoman2 on June 12, 2015, 03:18:13 AM
I decided to open a new thread for this game as the Connacht championship one had "gone off track" to say the least.
Roscommon are obviously big favourites and deservedly so. A div 1 team against a middle of the table div 3 team.
Sligo play best when massive underdogs and I wouldn't be surprised if we gave Ros a good run for their money. Any news on challenges, injuries etc..
If we can hold our own at midfield we could do okay, can/will Murphy and Brehony get enough posession if that is who we pick?
Looking forward to this game, it could be a good game and much closer than people might think.
Most people actually think it will be close
Bookies have it 2-3pts on the handicap which is same for instance as Armagh V Donegal or Tipp/Lim in hurling.
There has rarely been much between them regardless of when they played. The home advantage should be worth a few points to Sligo.
Our last game up there was a disappointing U21 loss when we were pumped up as raging favourites.
Nobody (bar a few headcases) are looking any further than this game and I for one wouldnt put a cent on Ross at 2/5.
I expect we'll get plenty of it from Sligo which should bring out the best in our lads.
That ought to get us through.
Any laziness or thinking we have it won etc and it's " what qualifier section are we in"?
Murray back will improve the defence which is badly needed, Higgins out means midfield problems continue while questions have to beasked up front if Cregg and Donie start.
9 meetings in my lifetime 1981(S), 1982(R), 1987(S), 1989(R), 1997(S), 1998*2(R) 2004*2(R), 2007(S) and 2010(R).
Apart from a facile win for Roscommon in 1989, there's never anything in it, and of those 11 meetings its 5 ros 4 Sligo and 2 draws. Worryingly from a Roscommon point of view, its often the perceived underdog going into the game that comes out on top. Losing Ultan Harney and Kevin Higgins in an area where ros are struggling is a huge blow for Roscommon. And with home advantage no doubt the likes of breheny marren Kelly murphy know where the posts are. And i'm sure theres a few new names in Sligo we don't yet know about. It could be another uncomfortable sat evening for us in that venue in as many months.
Quote from: commonman on June 12, 2015, 11:07:46 AM
9 meetings in my lifetime 1981(S), 1982(R), 1987(S), 1989(R), 1997(S), 1998*2(R) 2004*2(R), 2007(S) and 2010(R).
Apart from a facile win for Roscommon in 1989, there's never anything in it, and of those 11 meetings its 5 ros 4 Sligo and 2 draws. Worryingly from a Roscommon point of view, its often the perceived underdog going into the game that comes out on top. Losing Ultan Harney and Kevin Higgins in an area where ros are struggling is a huge blow for Roscommon. And with home advantage no doubt the likes of breheny marren Kelly murphy know where the posts are. And i'm sure theres a few new names in Sligo we don't yet know about. It could be another uncomfortable sat evening for us in that venue in as many months.
lets hope we even the score on Saturday week.
What are the odds on Sligo ?
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Larryin's been busy I see. And it's a fake account in case any of you are that slow to think it was real.
Was in Sligo earlier and I was told the Connacht council have a company in reprogramming the electronic scoreboards ahead of Saturday, they are afraid with the current configuration it won't be able to record all that the Roscommon galactico forwards will score Saturday. Kilbride, Shine, Murtagh and Cregger, how can any defence expect to keep these at bay due to the picture that has been painted of them on this forum.
Could well be a close game with Roscommon surely not aiming to reach their peak until August and the challenge of the Dubs in the semi final.
Ive always had a soft spot for sligo.cold hard reality is roscommon are working off a different dimension. I do worry about our midfield. Full back line as well. Overall we will beat sligo and have a riot in castlebar if we are bet following game..home of the blue shirts are mayo.a mean dirty depression
Quote from: gibbs32 on June 15, 2015, 09:36:19 PM
Ive always had a soft spot for sligo.cold hard reality is roscommon are working off a different dimension. I do worry about our midfield. Full back line as well. Overall we will beat sligo and have a riot in castlebar if we are bet following game..home of the blue shirts are mayo.a mean dirty depression
gibbs you have me fascinated, who's going to start off the riot if you lose to Mayo. Should I buy a baseball bat in case ye do lose? I don't like FG much myself either, aand sure FF are in control of Mayo Co Council!
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on June 15, 2015, 06:09:37 PM
Was in Sligo earlier and I was told the Connacht council have a company in reprogramming the electronic scoreboards ahead of Saturday, they are afraid with the current configuration it won't be able to record all that the Roscommon galactico forwards will score Saturday. Kilbride, Shine, Murtagh and Cregger, how can any defence expect to keep these at bay due to the picture that has been painted of them on this forum.
The nets had to be replaced with a stronger version too, apparently if you kick 100 goals the old net would potentially give way and fall apart. As it's likely Kilbride will score 100 goals on his own there was no other choice than to get new nets in. Interesting fact is the nets were imported from Japan where they are used for whale fishing.
Game is all ticket as well because they they are only letting in 50% capacity as the crowd will move to whatever end Roscommon forwards are kicking, so at half time there will be an exodus from one end to the other, Connacht council don't think it would be fair to fill the other end of the ground as they aren't expecting Sligo to get past midfield.
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on June 15, 2015, 11:34:13 PM
Game is all ticket as well because they they are only letting in 50% capacity as the crowd will move to whatever end Roscommon forwards are kicking, so at half time there will be an exodus from one end to the other, Connacht council don't think it would be fair to fill the other end of the ground as they aren't expecting Sligo to get past midfield.
;D
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 15, 2015, 11:35:41 PM
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on June 15, 2015, 11:34:13 PM
Game is all ticket as well because they they are only letting in 50% capacity as the crowd will move to whatever end Roscommon forwards are kicking, so at half time there will be an exodus from one end to the other, Connacht council don't think it would be fair to fill the other end of the ground as they aren't expecting Sligo to get past midfield.
;D
You know you're laughing at the same fella that's just being banned for making sick jokes in the Galway-Mayo thread, Farr..
But surely the mods or admins would have the IP addresses and ban ALL the person's accounts?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 15, 2015, 11:42:47 PM
But surely the mods or admins would have the IP addresses and ban ALL the person's accounts?
Let him think what he wants Farr, the sanctimonious creature thinks he knows everything about everything anyways but of course you are correct regarding ip addresses, I don't have any other login on here.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 15, 2015, 11:42:47 PM
But surely the mods or admins would have the IP addresses and ban ALL the person's accounts?
I highly doubt the moderators here put that much effort into the matter. Even massively moderated forums tend not to police IP bans.
Quote from: Syferus on June 15, 2015, 11:58:49 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 15, 2015, 11:42:47 PM
But surely the mods or admins would have the IP addresses and ban ALL the person's accounts?
I highly doubt the moderators here put that much effort into the matter. Even massively moderated forums tend not to police IP bans.
Yeah Farr, get with the program, see Sufferus is an expert on forrum policing now, from top class analysis to understanding the ends and outs of how this and other forums work his knowledge has no limits
Quote from: Syferus on June 15, 2015, 11:58:49 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 15, 2015, 11:42:47 PM
But surely the mods or admins would have the IP addresses and ban ALL the person's accounts?
I highly doubt the moderators here put that much effort into the matter. Even massively moderated forums tend not to police IP bans.
I always reboot the router before using another alias, especially the LCohen one.
Don't let any of ye post about the match or anything!
If we play to our potential we will win but we'll have to to play to it.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 16, 2015, 12:40:56 AM
Don't let any of ye post about the match or anything!
I predict the scoreboard will break around 50 minutes, Carew begs the ref to call it off early. On the way into the dressing room Ros are handed Sam in a low key handshake between Carty and GAA president as it is blatantly obvious there is no point continuing with the competition. All the Rossie players are told they will join Cregger in the Gaa hall of fame just as they are about to get onto the bus. Disaster then occurs as the bus is about to leave as the galacticos start argueing over who scored the most and in the melee that follows a window gets cracked on the bus.
Full moon these days??
Looking forward to this one now seeing we landed safely in Salthill. Have the tickets sorted.
The last time I saw these 2 was probably the most enjoyable game I attended as a neutral. It was the evening Cake went mad in Markievicz Park, saving and scoring penalties, and kicking a monster free from out the field. Great memories but I remember thinking at the time that Sligo should have won.
Great game, Sligo tired badly in extra time.
Remember Johnny Davey kicking a monster free about 55 yards out to level it with virtually the last kick of normal time after it looked like Curran had won it for them in injury time. The game had it all.
That was one mad evening alright :)
Either Roscommon will scrape through, or win handy. I can't see much hope for Sligo, (well maybe if Ros are over confident) but Evans is a shrewd operator and as the saying goes, a rising tide lifts all boats, well the Roscommon tide has risen! The only thing that Sligo can cling to I suppose is Roscommon's 'consistently inconsistent' season. I mean, they've had good positive results and next thing they just fall over the line or lose. That's happening all year. However, they just fell over the line against London, so going by the formbook, Sligo will have it tough.
Inconsistent?
9 wins, 1 draw and 3 defeats and 2 Trophies won so far.
Yes I know the real business only starts now and January and April Cups don't matter a tuppenny damn but I'd settle for a contiunuation of that sort of Inconsistency till August and see what happens then.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 16, 2015, 08:31:22 PM
Inconsistent?
9 wins, 1 draw and 3 defeats and 2 Trophies won so far.
Yes I know the real business only starts now and January and April Cups don't matter a tuppenny damn but I'd settle for a contiunuation of that sort of Inconsistency till August and see what happens then.
Playing within ourselves and winning is progress in itself. Certainly more consistent than previous years.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 16, 2015, 08:31:22 PM
Inconsistent?
9 wins, 1 draw and 3 defeats and 2 Trophies won so far.
Yes I know the real business only starts now and January and April Cups don't matter a tuppenny damn but I'd settle for a contiunuation of that sort of Inconsistency till August and see what happens then.
You know what I mean, winning by big margins one day, winning by a few points the next...
Quote from: Syferus on June 16, 2015, 08:37:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 16, 2015, 08:31:22 PM
Inconsistent?
9 wins, 1 draw and 3 defeats and 2 Trophies won so far.
Yes I know the real business only starts now and January and April Cups don't matter a tuppenny damn but I'd settle for a contiunuation of that sort of Inconsistency till August and see what happens then.
Playing within ourselves and winning is progress in itself. Certainly more consistent than previous years.
Aargh would you ever give over with yer absolute manure talk , if ye don't win Connacht or get to at least a semi final through backdoor , ye have failed at senior level once again . park your bus where ye want with your attempts to stir but all that matters is if you can stir anything come castlebar on 19th July . Dicks.
Roscommon will beat Sligo with ease. Roscommon Far too physical for Sligo .
I'm sure most Rossies would settle for a one point victory on Saturday evening.. The people talking shite about scoreboards etc are way off the mark, as well they know themselves.. The combined talents of Kilbride, Cregg, D Shine and D Murtagh managed just 0-1 between them from open play against London.. What worries me about those forwards is their form. Cregg has been very poor in his last 4 games. Based on that, he hardly deserves to start against Sligo, but i expect Evans will pick him. Donie Shine has had a terrible few years with injuries, and is clearly not the player he was..Then there's Senan Kilbride who has had good NFL'S before, only to flop in the championship. A one armed man, minus a couple of fingers, could still count all the top Championship performances that Kilbride has ever delivered for Roscommon.. Imo, it comes down to this. If the Ros forwards, as a unit, can reproduce the best of their league form, then they should beat Sligo. But, make no mistake. If they are anything under par, then Sligo are definitely good enough to beat them.
I ve seen very little of Sligo post Eamon O Hara.
I was there for the Galway game last year and I thought they were dreadful against a team that was no great shakes itself. They were tactically awful. As bad a kickout strategy - or lack of one - that you could wish to see at this level.
I believe, in fairness, that they improved greatly after in the qualifiers though.
I think Roscommon usually expect to beat Sligo so no matter what is said and done I doubt if Roscommon will bring the same urgency/temper to this that they would to a Mayo or Galway. Sligo seem to prefer to be underdogs.
If Ros are a bit complacent and Sligo bring intensity and resentment it could be an interesting encounter. The championship is due a shock.
From a Mayo perspective, a Ros win would give us a home final. I d usually prefer to see the land of my father win but the usual messing with the final venue would start.
This semi final is nicely set up for an upset. home advantage, Sligo underdogs where most of their best championship performances have come from and only last year both were in the same league division. Division one Mayo had to settle for just a two point win against a mid table division three Sligo a few years ago I think something similar will happen here Roscommon by 2 or 3 points I reckon.
Quote from: moysider on June 16, 2015, 10:55:10 PM
I ve seen very little of Sligo post Eamon O Hara.
I was there for the Galway game last year and I thought they were dreadful against a team that was no great shakes itself. They were tactically awful. As bad a kickout strategy - or lack of one - that you could wish to see at this level.
I believe, in fairness, that they improved greatly after in the qualifiers though.
I think Roscommon usually expect to beat Sligo so no matter what is said and done I doubt if Roscommon will bring the same urgency/temper to this that they would to a Mayo or Galway. Sligo seem to prefer to be underdogs.
If Ros are a bit complacent and Sligo bring intensity and resentment it could be an interesting encounter. The championship is due a shock.
From a Mayo perspective, a Ros win would give us a home final. I d usually prefer to see the land of my father win but the usual messing with the final venue would start.
That's nothing new for us, even when we finally managed to get a change of keeper. His predecessor's idiocy helped cost us one if not two Connacht finals, yet he was one of the untouchables of the Walsh era. Haven't seen much of the team this year but I hope that it's improved, signs are that the team has anyway going on late league form. Will be big underdogs against the Galaticos from across the Curlews but we have turned them over from similar positions in the past, even when we were largely a shambles.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 16, 2015, 11:12:17 PM
This semi final is nicely set up for an upset. home advantage, Sligo underdogs where most of their best championship performances have come from and only last year both were in the same league division. Division one Mayo had to settle for just a two point win against a mid table division three Sligo a few years ago I think something similar will happen here Roscommon by 2 or 3 points I reckon.
O Hara was still there and he could lift a performance out of everybody about him.
As complete a footballer as I ve seen - he had it all and more. He was an unbelievable leader to boot. By then he was almost finished and nothing to prove yet he was driven that day to the point of recklessness.
Talk about raging against the dying of the light.
When Sligo had O Hara they would have feared nobody because he wouldn t tolerate it.
But they have to move on and this is a game that they should be targeting to win.
Quote from: moysider on June 16, 2015, 11:28:11 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 16, 2015, 11:12:17 PM
This semi final is nicely set up for an upset. home advantage, Sligo underdogs where most of their best championship performances have come from and only last year both were in the same league division. Division one Mayo had to settle for just a two point win against a mid table division three Sligo a few years ago I think something similar will happen here Roscommon by 2 or 3 points I reckon.
O Hara was still there and he could lift a performance out of everybody about him.
As complete a footballer as I ve seen - he had it all and more. He was an unbelievable leader to boot. By then he was almost finished and nothing to prove yet he was driven that day to the point of recklessness.
Talk about raging against the dying of the light.
When Sligo had O Hara they would have feared nobody because he wouldn t tolerate it.
But they have to move on and this is a game that they should be targeting to win.
100% right about EOH. An absolute legend. He wrote an interesting article in the Sligo Champion this week that I enjoyed about how he dealt with the week coming up to a big game. If/when he writes a book it could be interesting!!!
Quote from: moysider on June 16, 2015, 11:28:11 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 16, 2015, 11:12:17 PM
This semi final is nicely set up for an upset. home advantage, Sligo underdogs where most of their best championship performances have come from and only last year both were in the same league division. Division one Mayo had to settle for just a two point win against a mid table division three Sligo a few years ago I think something similar will happen here Roscommon by 2 or 3 points I reckon.
O Hara was still there and he could lift a performance out of everybody about him.
As complete a footballer as I ve seen - he had it all and more. He was an unbelievable leader to boot. By then he was almost finished and nothing to prove yet he was driven that day to the point of recklessness.
Talk about raging against the dying of the light.
When Sligo had O Hara they would have feared nobody because he wouldn t tolerate it.
But they have to move on and this is a game that they should be targeting to win.
O'Hara only came on as a sub that day when Mayo were beginning to turn the screw after we led for a good chunk of the match. I do agree that he had a great presence about him that inspired his team but he suffered badly with injuries since he got that all star in 2002. It's been an underlying theme ever since the end of Forde's era that Sligo have been getting wiped out at midfield, even in the limited success we had under Walsh and Breheny, it was mainly due to some excellent defensive performances from the likes of Harrison and Donovan and the boys in the full forward line doing the business.
I think you might be a bit disingenuous to the rest of that Sligo team as well, we had other good players back then. Sloyan was a deadly forward who would clock up big scores, Sean Davey and McPartland were outstanding footballers when they were on form, sadly they were both hit and miss players and you never really knew if they would turn it on or not. Overall when I look back at that team there is a sense of regret, I always wondered how we would have done if Taylor had not been shot down in the prime of his career with those injuries which he never recovered from, when he burst onto the scene in the mid 90s he looked a special talent, there was probably more talk about him than O'Hara at the time. It might be bias but I felt he could have been as good as Joyce only for his injuries. We had a big physical team back in those days. Durcan, Quinn, Davey, McPartland, McGuire, Naughton, O'Hara, McGarty, Durkin, McNamara, Langton, Doohan and Clancy were all over 6 feet. We might have 4 lads starting against Roscommon on Saturday who could compare physically with that lot and that's probably pushing it.
Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 12:29:22 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 16, 2015, 11:28:11 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 16, 2015, 11:12:17 PM
This semi final is nicely set up for an upset. home advantage, Sligo underdogs where most of their best championship performances have come from and only last year both were in the same league division. Division one Mayo had to settle for just a two point win against a mid table division three Sligo a few years ago I think something similar will happen here Roscommon by 2 or 3 points I reckon.
O Hara was still there and he could lift a performance out of everybody about him.
As complete a footballer as I ve seen - he had it all and more. He was an unbelievable leader to boot. By then he was almost finished and nothing to prove yet he was driven that day to the point of recklessness.
Talk about raging against the dying of the light.
When Sligo had O Hara they would have feared nobody because he wouldn t tolerate it.
But they have to move on and this is a game that they should be targeting to win.
O'Hara only came on as a sub that day when Mayo were beginning to turn the screw after we led for a good chunk of the match. I do agree that he had a great presence about him that inspired his team but he suffered badly with injuries since he got that all star in 2002. It's been an underlying theme ever since the end of Forde's era that Sligo have been getting wiped out at midfield, even in the limited success we had under Walsh and Breheny, it was mainly due to some excellent defensive performances from the likes of Harrison and Donovan and the boys in the full forward line doing the business.
I think you might be a bit disingenuous to the rest of that Sligo team as well, we had other good players back then. Sloyan was a deadly forward who would clock up big scores, Sean Davey and McPartland were outstanding footballers when they were on form, sadly they were both hit and miss players and you never really knew if they would turn it on or not. Overall when I look back at that team there is a sense of regret, I always wondered how we would have done if Taylor had not been shot down in the prime of his career with those injuries which he never recovered from, when he burst onto the scene in the mid 90s he looked a special talent, there was probably more talk about him than O'Hara at the time. It might be bias but I felt he could have been as good as Joyce only for his injuries. We had a big physical team back in those days. Durcan, Quinn, Davey, McPartland, McGuire, Naughton, O'Hara, McGarty, Durkin, McNamara, Langton, Doohan and Clancy were all over 6 feet. We might have 4 lads starting against Roscommon on Saturday who could compare physically with that lot and that's probably pushing it.
Didn t mean to come across as disingenuous about the rest. I'd include Michael Langan in that list as well.
I coached/managed a few of those lads ;) and they were top lads as well as fine footballers.
Agree about Taylor. Great footballer.
Quote from: moysider on June 16, 2015, 11:28:11 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 16, 2015, 11:12:17 PM
This semi final is nicely set up for an upset. home advantage, Sligo underdogs where most of their best championship performances have come from and only last year both were in the same league division. Division one Mayo had to settle for just a two point win against a mid table division three Sligo a few years ago I think something similar will happen here Roscommon by 2 or 3 points I reckon.
O Hara was still there and he could lift a performance out of everybody about him.
As complete a footballer as I ve seen - he had it all and more. He was an unbelievable leader to boot. By then he was almost finished and nothing to prove yet he was driven that day to the point of recklessness.
Talk about raging against the dying of the light.
When Sligo had O Hara they would have feared nobody because he wouldn t tolerate it.
But they have to move on and this is a game that they should be targeting to win.
Oh come on now. O'Hara came on late on in that game and was moving about as well as a bipedal tank. He caught a ball or two (if that) but he seemed more intent on getting in a fight with Aidan O'Shea and Barry Moran than playing football that day. Very dangerous play if I recall correctly. I was there that day because the minors were playing Mayo.
Sligo's very defensive formation and Mayo's array of spectacularly bad shooting is what made that game close, O'Hara's introduction actually marked the period when that match start slipping from Sligo and he didn't do much to change that.
O'Hara was mouthy fûcker - at times he'd have made Frankie or Cake look like shrinking violets - but he was a very good player.
Quote from: moysider on June 17, 2015, 12:43:49 AM
Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 12:29:22 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 16, 2015, 11:28:11 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 16, 2015, 11:12:17 PM
This semi final is nicely set up for an upset. home advantage, Sligo underdogs where most of their best championship performances have come from and only last year both were in the same league division. Division one Mayo had to settle for just a two point win against a mid table division three Sligo a few years ago I think something similar will happen here Roscommon by 2 or 3 points I reckon.
O Hara was still there and he could lift a performance out of everybody about him.
As complete a footballer as I ve seen - he had it all and more. He was an unbelievable leader to boot. By then he was almost finished and nothing to prove yet he was driven that day to the point of recklessness.
Talk about raging against the dying of the light.
When Sligo had O Hara they would have feared nobody because he wouldn t tolerate it.
But they have to move on and this is a game that they should be targeting to win.
O'Hara only came on as a sub that day when Mayo were beginning to turn the screw after we led for a good chunk of the match. I do agree that he had a great presence about him that inspired his team but he suffered badly with injuries since he got that all star in 2002. It's been an underlying theme ever since the end of Forde's era that Sligo have been getting wiped out at midfield, even in the limited success we had under Walsh and Breheny, it was mainly due to some excellent defensive performances from the likes of Harrison and Donovan and the boys in the full forward line doing the business.
I think you might be a bit disingenuous to the rest of that Sligo team as well, we had other good players back then. Sloyan was a deadly forward who would clock up big scores, Sean Davey and McPartland were outstanding footballers when they were on form, sadly they were both hit and miss players and you never really knew if they would turn it on or not. Overall when I look back at that team there is a sense of regret, I always wondered how we would have done if Taylor had not been shot down in the prime of his career with those injuries which he never recovered from, when he burst onto the scene in the mid 90s he looked a special talent, there was probably more talk about him than O'Hara at the time. It might be bias but I felt he could have been as good as Joyce only for his injuries. We had a big physical team back in those days. Durcan, Quinn, Davey, McPartland, McGuire, Naughton, O'Hara, McGarty, Durkin, McNamara, Langton, Doohan and Clancy were all over 6 feet. We might have 4 lads starting against Roscommon on Saturday who could compare physically with that lot and that's probably pushing it.
Didn t mean to come across as disingenuous about the rest. I'd include Michael Langan in that list as well.
I coached/managed a few of those lads ;) and they were top lads as well as fine footballers.
Agree about Taylor. Great footballer.
O'Hara clearly was the beating heart of the team, I never witnessed anything like his performance against Tyrone in 2002 but we also had other good players as well. It was definitely our golden generation of my lifetime, sadly we didn't do enough with it and it was just a shame it coincided with a period with Connacht football was very strong.
I meant Langan instead of Langton! I'm still messing his name up to this day!
Quote from: Syferus on June 17, 2015, 12:47:12 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 16, 2015, 11:28:11 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 16, 2015, 11:12:17 PM
This semi final is nicely set up for an upset. home advantage, Sligo underdogs where most of their best championship performances have come from and only last year both were in the same league division. Division one Mayo had to settle for just a two point win against a mid table division three Sligo a few years ago I think something similar will happen here Roscommon by 2 or 3 points I reckon.
O Hara was still there and he could lift a performance out of everybody about him.
As complete a footballer as I ve seen - he had it all and more. He was an unbelievable leader to boot. By then he was almost finished and nothing to prove yet he was driven that day to the point of recklessness.
Talk about raging against the dying of the light.
When Sligo had O Hara they would have feared nobody because he wouldn t tolerate it.
But they have to move on and this is a game that they should be targeting to win.
Oh come on now. came oO'Haran late on in that game on and was moving about as well as a bipedal tank. He caught a ball or two (if that) but he seemed more intent on getting in a fight with Aidan O'Shea and Barry Moran than playing football that day. Very dangerous play if I recall correctly. I was there that day because the minors were playing Mayo.
Sligo's very defensive formation and Mayo's array of spectacularly bad shooting is what made that game close, O'Hara's introduction actually marked the period when that match start slipping from Sligo and he didn't do much to change that.
O'Hara was mouthy fûcker - at times he'd have made Frankie or Cake look like shrinking violets - but he was a very good player.
Before I read the rest I m well aware of that. But there are Mayo folk - I m not one of them - that have never trusted Barry Moran for allowing himself to be 'intimidated' by O Hara and getting sent off. My own take on it is that O Hara was so reckless he could have done himself and others serious injury. But that was the drive that was in him. He did lead by example you ll have to admit?
Now I ll read the rest of your post.
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Quote from: Syferus on June 17, 2015, 12:47:12 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 16, 2015, 11:28:11 PM
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This semi final is nicely set up for an upset. home advantage, Sligo underdogs where most of their best championship performances have come from and only last year both were in the same league division. Division one Mayo had to settle for just a two point win against a mid table division three Sligo a few years ago I think something similar will happen here Roscommon by 2 or 3 points I reckon.
O Hara was still there and he could lift a performance out of everybody about him.
As complete a footballer as I ve seen - he had it all and more. He was an unbelievable leader to boot. By then he was almost finished and nothing to prove yet he was driven that day to the point of recklessness.
Talk about raging against the dying of the light.
When Sligo had O Hara they would have feared nobody because he wouldn t tolerate it.
But they have to move on and this is a game that they should be targeting to win.
Oh come on now. came oO'Haran late on in that game on and was moving about as well as a bipedal tank. He caught a ball or two (if that) but he seemed more intent on getting in a fight with Aidan O'Shea and Barry Moran than playing football that day. Very dangerous play if I recall correctly. I was there that day because the minors were playing Mayo.
Sligo's very defensive formation and Mayo's array of spectacularly bad shooting is what made that game close, O'Hara's introduction actually marked the period when that match start slipping from Sligo and he didn't do much to change that.
O'Hara was mouthy fûcker - at times he'd have made Frankie or Cake look like shrinking violets - but he was a very good player.
Before I read the rest I m well aware of that. But there are Mayo folk - I m not one of them - that have never trusted Barry Moran for allowing himself to be 'intimidated' by O Hara and getting sent off. My own take on it is that O Hara was so reckless he could have done himself and others serious injury. But that was the drive that was in him. He did lead by example you ll have to admit?
Now I ll read the rest of your post.
I guess but it seems like a terrible example to be leading by. If the only way you think you can win is by going out to do damage to players then you have no business on a football field in my opinion.
Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 12:51:52 AM
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Quote from: Blowitupref on June 16, 2015, 11:12:17 PM
This semi final is nicely set up for an upset. home advantage, Sligo underdogs where most of their best championship performances have come from and only last year both were in the same league division. Division one Mayo had to settle for just a two point win against a mid table division three Sligo a few years ago I think something similar will happen here Roscommon by 2 or 3 points I reckon.
O Hara was still there and he could lift a performance out of everybody about him.
As complete a footballer as I ve seen - he had it all and more. He was an unbelievable leader to boot. By then he was almost finished and nothing to prove yet he was driven that day to the point of recklessness.
Talk about raging against the dying of the light.
When Sligo had O Hara they would have feared nobody because he wouldn t tolerate it.
But they have to move on and this is a game that they should be targeting to win.
O'Hara only came on as a sub that day when Mayo were beginning to turn the screw after we led for a good chunk of the match. I do agree that he had a great presence about him that inspired his team but he suffered badly with injuries since he got that all star in 2002. It's been an underlying theme ever since the end of Forde's era that Sligo have been getting wiped out at midfield, even in the limited success we had under Walsh and Breheny, it was mainly due to some excellent defensive performances from the likes of Harrison and Donovan and the boys in the full forward line doing the business.
I think you might be a bit disingenuous to the rest of that Sligo team as well, we had other good players back then. Sloyan was a deadly forward who would clock up big scores, Sean Davey and McPartland were outstanding footballers when they were on form, sadly they were both hit and miss players and you never really knew if they would turn it on or not. Overall when I look back at that team there is a sense of regret, I always wondered how we would have done if Taylor had not been shot down in the prime of his career with those injuries which he never recovered from, when he burst onto the scene in the mid 90s he looked a special talent, there was probably more talk about him than O'Hara at the time. It might be bias but I felt he could have been as good as Joyce only for his injuries. We had a big physical team back in those days. Durcan, Quinn, Davey, McPartland, McGuire, Naughton, O'Hara, McGarty, Durkin, McNamara, Langton, Doohan and Clancy were all over 6 feet. We might have 4 lads starting against Roscommon on Saturday who could compare physically with that lot and that's probably pushing it.
Didn t mean to come across as disingenuous about the rest. I'd include Michael Langan in that list as well.
I coached/managed a few of those lads ;) and they were top lads as well as fine footballers.
Agree about Taylor. Great footballer.
O'Hara clearly was the beating heart of the team, I never witnessed anything like his performance against Tyrone in 2002 but we also had other good players as well. It was definitely our golden generation of my lifetime, sadly we didn't do enough with it and it was just a shame :-\I meant Langan instead of Langton! I'm still messing his name up to this day!
It wasn t really. Galway we re in decline (never came to terms that football was reinvented in 02). Mayo were acting the bollicks as only we can and Roscommon were about to enter their pin-up phase. What year was the Connacht final in Castlebar when Cosgrove was left marking Joyce. That was one that was let slip.
Quote from: Syferus on June 17, 2015, 12:58:45 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 17, 2015, 12:55:19 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 17, 2015, 12:47:12 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 16, 2015, 11:28:11 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 16, 2015, 11:12:17 PM
This semi final is nicely set up for an upset. home advantage, Sligo underdogs where most of their best championship performances have come from and only last year both were in the same league division. Division one Mayo had to settle for just a two point win against a mid table division three Sligo a few years ago I think something similar will happen here Roscommon by 2 or 3 points I reckon.
O Hara was still there and he could lift a performance out of everybody about him.
As complete a footballer as I ve seen - he had it all and more. He was an unbelievable leader to boot. By then he was almost finished and nothing to prove yet he was driven that day to the point of recklessness.
Talk about raging against the dying of the light.
When Sligo had O Hara they would have feared nobody because he wouldn t tolerate it.
But they have to move on and this is a game that they should be targeting to win.
Oh come on now. came oO'Haran late on in that game on and was moving about as well as a bipedal tank. He caught a ball or two (if that) but he seemed more intent on getting in a fight with Aidan O'Shea and Barry Moran than playing football that day. Very dangerous play if I recall correctly. I was there that day because the minors were playing Mayo.
Sligo's very defensive formation and Mayo's array of spectacularly bad shooting is what made that game close, O'Hara's introduction actually marked the period when that match start slipping from Sligo and he didn't do much to change that.
O'Hara was mouthy fûcker - at times he'd have made Frankie or Cake look like shrinking violets - but he was a very good player.
Before I read the rest I m well aware of that. But there are Mayo folk - I m not one of them - that have never trusted Barry Moran for allowing himself to be 'intimidated' by O Hara and getting sent off. My own take on it is that O Hara was so reckless he could have done himself and others serious injury. But that was the drive that was in him. He did lead by example you ll have to admit?
Now I ll read the rest of your post.
I guess but it seems like a terrible example to be leading by. If the only way you think you can win is by going out to do damage to players then you have no business on a football field in my opinion.
He was way fired up and the referee didn t deal with him. As well as just welting in to Moran dangerously in the air he ended up bloodied himself. When Moran got annoyed he got the line and it looked like a triumph for O Hara. As I said already there are Mayo supporters that don t rate Moran since because they reckon he was bossed by O Hara. You could argue that he was just assaulted and the ref turned the blind eye to a legend. Whatever about his motivation and action on the day there is no doubting his fearlessness.
Quote from: moysider on June 17, 2015, 01:12:34 AM
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Quote from: Blowitupref on June 16, 2015, 11:12:17 PM
This semi final is nicely set up for an upset. home advantage, Sligo underdogs where most of their best championship performances have come from and only last year both were in the same league division. Division one Mayo had to settle for just a two point win against a mid table division three Sligo a few years ago I think something similar will happen here Roscommon by 2 or 3 points I reckon.
O Hara was still there and he could lift a performance out of everybody about him.
As complete a footballer as I ve seen - he had it all and more. He was an unbelievable leader to boot. By then he was almost finished and nothing to prove yet he was driven that day to the point of recklessness.
Talk about raging against the dying of the light.
When Sligo had O Hara they would have feared nobody because he wouldn t tolerate it.
But they have to move on and this is a game that they should be targeting to win.
Oh come on now. came oO'Haran late on in that game on and was moving about as well as a bipedal tank. He caught a ball or two (if that) but he seemed more intent on getting in a fight with Aidan O'Shea and Barry Moran than playing football that day. Very dangerous play if I recall correctly. I was there that day because the minors were playing Mayo.
Sligo's very defensive formation and Mayo's array of spectacularly bad shooting is what made that game close, O'Hara's introduction actually marked the period when that match start slipping from Sligo and he didn't do much to change that.
O'Hara was mouthy fûcker - at times he'd have made Frankie or Cake look like shrinking violets - but he was a very good player.
Before I read the rest I m well aware of that. But there are Mayo folk - I m not one of them - that have never trusted Barry Moran for allowing himself to be 'intimidated' by O Hara and getting sent off. My own take on it is that O Hara was so reckless he could have done himself and others serious injury. But that was the drive that was in him. He did lead by example you ll have to admit?
Now I ll read the rest of your post.
I guess but it seems like a terrible example to be leading by. If the only way you think you can win is by going out to do damage to players then you have no business on a football field in my opinion.
He was way fired up and the referee didn t deal with him. As well as just welting in to Moran dangerously in the air he ended up bloodied himself. When Moran got annoyed he got the line and it looked like a triumph for O Hara. As I said already there are Mayo supporters that don t rate Moran since because they reckon he was bossed by O Hara. You could argue that he was just assaulted and the ref turned the blind eye to a legend. Whatever about his motivation and action on the day there is no doubting his fearlessness.
Or confidence. It was unshakeable even then. And I don't mean that as an insult, too many times talented players let their confidence ebb and flow.
Obviously a huge player for Sligo down the years. He's made an.. interesting.. start to life as a manager.
Quote from: moysider on June 17, 2015, 12:55:19 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 17, 2015, 12:47:12 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 16, 2015, 11:28:11 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 16, 2015, 11:12:17 PM
This semi final is nicely set up for an upset. home advantage, Sligo underdogs where most of their best championship performances have come from and only last year both were in the same league division. Division one Mayo had to settle for just a two point win against a mid table division three Sligo a few years ago I think something similar will happen here Roscommon by 2 or 3 points I reckon.
O Hara was still there and he could lift a performance out of everybody about him.
As complete a footballer as I ve seen - he had it all and more. He was an unbelievable leader to boot. By then he was almost finished and nothing to prove yet he was driven that day to the point of recklessness.
Talk about raging against the dying of the light.
When Sligo had O Hara they would have feared nobody because he wouldn t tolerate it.
But they have to move on and this is a game that they should be targeting to win.
Oh come on now. came oO'Haran late on in that game on and was moving about as well as a bipedal tank. He caught a ball or two (if that) but he seemed more intent on getting in a fight with Aidan O'Shea and Barry Moran than playing football that day. Very dangerous play if I recall correctly. I was there that day because the minors were playing Mayo.
Sligo's very defensive formation and Mayo's array of spectacularly bad shooting is what made that game close, O'Hara's introduction actually marked the period when that match start slipping from Sligo and he didn't do much to change that.
O'Hara was mouthy fûcker - at times he'd have made Frankie or Cake look like shrinking violets - but he was a very good player.
Before I read the rest I m well aware of that. But there are Mayo folk - I m not one of them - that have never trusted Barry Moran for allowing himself to be 'intimidated' by O Hara and getting sent off. My own take on it is that O Hara was so reckless he could have done himself and others serious injury. But that was the drive that was in him. He did lead by example you ll have to admit?
Now I ll read the rest of your post.
Well you are right to not share the same opinion as those Mayo folk Moy because Barry wasn't that intimidated considering him and O'Hara both got a yellow each with O'Hara going off with the broken nose!!! Barry got the line due to a second yellow in injury time about 20 mins later for a cynical pull down of I think Mark Brehony when Sligo were trying to work a goal chance which would be a nailed on black card today. Funny a lot of people with me saw this as our new found toughness in the team that Barry was unusally ruthless in stopping Sligo from wininng!!
I must admit living near the border as having a special liking of the 2002 vintage Sligo team. O'Hara was a collosus that year with Sloyan a top notch forward when fit.Paul Taylor was another super talent as well and I was lucky to see him in the flesh in club championship a good few times.
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 17, 2015, 01:41:16 AM
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Quote from: Blowitupref on June 16, 2015, 11:12:17 PM
This semi final is nicely set up for an upset. home advantage, Sligo underdogs where most of their best championship performances have come from and only last year both were in the same league division. Division one Mayo had to settle for just a two point win against a mid table division three Sligo a few years ago I think something similar will happen here Roscommon by 2 or 3 points I reckon.
O Hara was still there and he could lift a performance out of everybody about him.
As complete a footballer as I ve seen - he had it all and more. He was an unbelievable leader to boot. By then he was almost finished and nothing to prove yet he was driven that day to the point of recklessness.
Talk about raging against the dying of the light.
When Sligo had O Hara they would have feared nobody because he wouldn t tolerate it.
But they have to move on and this is a game that they should be targeting to win.
Oh come on now. came oO'Haran late on in that game on and was moving about as well as a bipedal tank. He caught a ball or two (if that) but he seemed more intent on getting in a fight with Aidan O'Shea and Barry Moran than playing football that day. Very dangerous play if I recall correctly. I was there that day because the minors were playing Mayo.
Sligo's very defensive formation and Mayo's array of spectacularly bad shooting is what made that game close, O'Hara's introduction actually marked the period when that match start slipping from Sligo and he didn't do much to change that.
O'Hara was mouthy fûcker - at times he'd have made Frankie or Cake look like shrinking violets - but he was a very good player.
Before I read the rest I m well aware of that. But there are Mayo folk - I m not one of them - that have never trusted Barry Moran for allowing himself to be 'intimidated' by O Hara and getting sent off. My own take on it is that O Hara was so reckless he could have done himself and others serious injury. But that was the drive that was in him. He did lead by example you ll have to admit?
Now I ll read the rest of your post.
Well you are right to not share the same opinion as those Mayo folk Moy because Barry wasn't that intimidated considering him and O'Hara both got a yellow each with O'Hara going off with the broken nose!!! Barry got the line due to a second yellow in injury time about 20 mins later for a cynical pull down of I think Mark Brehony when Sligo were trying to work a goal chance which would be a nailed on black card today. Funny a lot of people with me saw this as our new found toughness in the team that Barry was unusally ruthless in stopping Sligo from wininng!!
I must admit living near the border as having a special liking of the 2002 vintage Sligo team. O'Hara was a collosus that year with Sloyan a top notch forward when fit.Paul Taylor was another super talent as well and I was lucky to see him in the flesh in club championship a good few times.
I would agree with some of that. O'Hara didn't directly lead to Moran been sent off however he did disrupt his game. Up to that point Barry Moran was dominating midfield, 5/6 clean catches, scored a point and had a goal chance. However once O'Hara came on he had no further influence on the game apart from close-lining Brehony late on. Moran is an average player and that was his best day in a Mayo shirt. The incident that led to O'Hara getting a bloodied nose (not broken) was actually caused by Tony Taylor prior to the handbags with Moran. Hopefully Sligo can find new heroes over the weekend and win their first Connaught championship game since O'Hara's retirement.
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This semi final is nicely set up for an upset. home advantage, Sligo underdogs where most of their best championship performances have come from and only last year both were in the same league division. Division one Mayo had to settle for just a two point win against a mid table division three Sligo a few years ago I think something similar will happen here Roscommon by 2 or 3 points I reckon.
O Hara was still there and he could lift a performance out of everybody about him.
As complete a footballer as I ve seen - he had it all and more. He was an unbelievable leader to boot. By then he was almost finished and nothing to prove yet he was driven that day to the point of recklessness.
Talk about raging against the dying of the light.
When Sligo had O Hara they would have feared nobody because he wouldn t tolerate it.
But they have to move on and this is a game that they should be targeting to win.
O'Hara only came on as a sub that day when Mayo were beginning to turn the screw after we led for a good chunk of the match. I do agree that he had a great presence about him that inspired his team but he suffered badly with injuries since he got that all star in 2002. It's been an underlying theme ever since the end of Forde's era that Sligo have been getting wiped out at midfield, even in the limited success we had under Walsh and Breheny, it was mainly due to some excellent defensive performances from the likes of Harrison and Donovan and the boys in the full forward line doing the business.
I think you might be a bit disingenuous to the rest of that Sligo team as well, we had other good players back then. Sloyan was a deadly forward who would clock up big scores, Sean Davey and McPartland were outstanding footballers when they were on form, sadly they were both hit and miss players and you never really knew if they would turn it on or not. Overall when I look back at that team there is a sense of regret, I always wondered how we would have done if Taylor had not been shot down in the prime of his career with those injuries which he never recovered from, when he burst onto the scene in the mid 90s he looked a special talent, there was probably more talk about him than O'Hara at the time. It might be bias but I felt he could have been as good as Joyce only for his injuries. We had a big physical team back in those days. Durcan, Quinn, Davey, McPartland, McGuire, Naughton, O'Hara, McGarty, Durkin, McNamara, Langton, Doohan and Clancy were all over 6 feet. We might have 4 lads starting against Roscommon on Saturday who could compare physically with that lot and that's probably pushing it.
Didn t mean to come across as disingenuous about the rest. I'd include Michael Langan in that list as well.
I coached/managed a few of those lads ;) and they were top lads as well as fine footballers.
Agree about Taylor. Great footballer.
O'Hara clearly was the beating heart of the team, I never witnessed anything like his performance against Tyrone in 2002 but we also had other good players as well. It was definitely our golden generation of my lifetime, sadly we didn't do enough with it and it was just a shame :-\I meant Langan instead of Langton! I'm still messing his name up to this day!
It wasn t really. Galway we re in decline (never came to terms that football was reinvented in 02). Mayo were acting the bollicks as only we can and Roscommon were about to enter their pin-up phase. What year was the Connacht final in Castlebar when Cosgrove was left marking Joyce. That was one that was let slip.
Think you're missing my point, a lot of those players I mentioned made their breakthrough in the mid to late 90s when you think of Davey, O'Hara, McGuire, Taylor, Sloyan etc. In the 10 year period or so after their brekathrough which would have been their peak years, Galway were All Ireland Champions twice and lost out in a final replay to Kerry another year. Mayo would have appeared in finals 3 or 4 years in that period as well and Roscommon were also a very good team at that time. The qualifier system only came in the 2001 season which is when Sligo started to get some national attention.
We suffered a lot of narrow defeats and replay defeats to Galway and Mayo during that period when they were winning and competing for All Irelands. Connacht football was very strong in the late-mid 90s up until the mid 00s.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on June 16, 2015, 11:12:17 PM
This semi final is nicely set up for an upset. home advantage, Sligo underdogs where most of their best championship performances have come from and only last year both were in the same league division. Division one Mayo had to settle for just a two point win against a mid table division three Sligo a few years ago I think something similar will happen here Roscommon by 2 or 3 points I reckon.
O Hara was still there and he could lift a performance out of everybody about him.
As complete a footballer as I ve seen - he had it all and more. He was an unbelievable leader to boot. By then he was almost finished and nothing to prove yet he was driven that day to the point of recklessness.
Talk about raging against the dying of the light.
When Sligo had O Hara they would have feared nobody because he wouldn t tolerate it.
But they have to move on and this is a game that they should be targeting to win.
O'Hara only came on as a sub that day when Mayo were beginning to turn the screw after we led for a good chunk of the match. I do agree that he had a great presence about him that inspired his team but he suffered badly with injuries since he got that all star in 2002. It's been an underlying theme ever since the end of Forde's era that Sligo have been getting wiped out at midfield, even in the limited success we had under Walsh and Breheny, it was mainly due to some excellent defensive performances from the likes of Harrison and Donovan and the boys in the full forward line doing the business.
I think you might be a bit disingenuous to the rest of that Sligo team as well, we had other good players back then. Sloyan was a deadly forward who would clock up big scores, Sean Davey and McPartland were outstanding footballers when they were on form, sadly they were both hit and miss players and you never really knew if they would turn it on or not. Overall when I look back at that team there is a sense of regret, I always wondered how we would have done if Taylor had not been shot down in the prime of his career with those injuries which he never recovered from, when he burst onto the scene in the mid 90s he looked a special talent, there was probably more talk about him than O'Hara at the time. It might be bias but I felt he could have been as good as Joyce only for his injuries. We had a big physical team back in those days. Durcan, Quinn, Davey, McPartland, McGuire, Naughton, O'Hara, McGarty, Durkin, McNamara, Langton, Doohan and Clancy were all over 6 feet. We might have 4 lads starting against Roscommon on Saturday who could compare physically with that lot and that's probably pushing it.
Didn t mean to come across as disingenuous about the rest. I'd include Michael Langan in that list as well.
I coached/managed a few of those lads ;) and they were top lads as well as fine footballers.
Agree about Taylor. Great footballer.
O'Hara clearly was the beating heart of the team, I never witnessed anything like his performance against Tyrone in 2002 but we also had other good players as well. It was definitely our golden generation of my lifetime, sadly we didn't do enough with it and it was just a shame :-\I meant Langan instead of Langton! I'm still messing his name up to this day!
It wasn t really. Galway we re in decline (never came to terms that football was reinvented in 02). Mayo were acting the bollicks as only we can and Roscommon were about to enter their pin-up phase. What year was the Connacht final in Castlebar when Cosgrove was left marking Joyce. That was one that was let slip.
Think you're missing my point, a lot of those players I mentioned made their breakthrough in the mid to late 90s when you think of Davey, O'Hara, McGuire, Taylor, Sloyan etc. In the 10 year period or so after their brekathrough which would have been their peak years, Galway were All Ireland Champions twice and lost out in a final replay to Kerry another year. Mayo would have appeared in finals 3 or 4 years in that period as well and Roscommon were also a very good team at that time. The qualifier system only came in the 2001 season which is when Sligo started to get some national attention.
We suffered a lot of narrow defeats and replay defeats to Galway and Mayo during that period when they were winning and competing for All Irelands. Connacht football was very strong in the late-mid 90s up until the mid 00s.
A lot of it was our fault too Sligoman. Lost games during that time that we should have won. Losing to Mayo in Castlebar is one that stands out and picking the wrong team in Connaught final defeat to Galway in 2002. We didn't maximum out of a few players also - Nigel Clancy as talented as O'Hara but unfortunately didn't have the same attitude. Kenneth Killen an excellent player fell out with management of the time and emigrated a few years later. Phillip Neary unfortunately had a bad car accident and never reached his full potential thereafter.
I think Roscommon have a potentially big banana skin this Saturday and if the players approach it with anything less than a winning drive and focus we could be in bother.
Looking at the Roscommon potential starters we have some big question marks over Cregger and D Shine.Both out of form but both seemingly relied upon too much by the management.Id be less worried about Cregger as he is a fairly determined individual and with a good start could have a bearing in how we perform through the 70 mins.Ill be disappointed if D Shine starts has he shown zero in my opinion this year in terms of a scoring threat or adding anything positive to the overall set up of the team.If he starts the game and starts missing placed balls then his overall contribution will be poor as he is a confidence player and doesn't want to know when things start going wrong.
Id be happy enough with our defence this year a bit lose at times but it seems to be more the system they are playing than anything else.
Our midfield will be key on Saturday if Sligo break even here then we are under pressure.We are not mobile in this area and if Sligo get the upper hand then we are in trouble.Kevin Higgins is a huge loss IMHO.
I think the game is set up for the likes of E Smith as I can see us trying to carry the ball from deep or around the middle at times and he is very good when in the form.
Our forwards if getting the room will be hard stopped but the key is how Sligo will set up defensively.If we are being smothered in the scoring areas then I fear how we will cope like the Armagh game last year.
In regards Sligo they have some positives that they can work to their advantage.
They have three to four superb forwards which if on song will be very dangerous.
They have three very classy defenders who could make life hell for some of our top front men.
They have in my opinion an unproven but potentially very talented manager who could bring a whole new dimension to the way Sligo play and they also have the element of the underdog and everyone writing them off which will only galvanise them.
They are putting up serious scores in challenges I am hearing I think 1-24 two weeks ago against Tipperary and following on from some of the high scores they got in the league surely Roscommon need to approach this game with the up most determination and focus to match what I have in no doubt will be thrown at them from the men in black.
Heard at the weekend Coen was dropped from the panel and it looks to be confirmed now. The lad is clearly a talented footballer but it's not the first time he has found himself in this situation and I'd imagine that could be the end of his county career.
Very hard to fit him into the forward line along with Kelly and Marren there but he was always a great option off the bench. Any sign of David Maye returning to these shores anytime soon or have we lost him for good?
Who is the referee for this match?..Any word on when the Sligo team will be announced?
Maurice Deegan.
http://www.hoganstand.com/roscommon/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=239357
Johnny Martyn out with an ankle injury.
Was told this Roscommon team to play Sligo....Darren O Malley,...Seanie mc Dermott, Niall Carty, Neil Collins,...Ronan Stack, Niall Daly, Ciaran Cafferky.., Ian Kilbride, Cathal Shine... Conor Daly, Cathal Cregg, Enda Smith,... Diarmuid Murtagh, Senan Kilbride, Ciaran Murtagh.....Didn't hear that team officially confirmed.
Quote from: Syferus on June 18, 2015, 02:29:34 AM
http://www.hoganstand.com/roscommon/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=239357
Johnny Martyn out with an ankle injury.
A blow as he was one of our only defenders with a bit of size and presence. Looks like it will certainly be McDonnell at full back now this weekend.
Sligo (SFC v Roscommon) – Aidan Devaney; Ross Donovan, Kevin McDonnell, Daniel Maye; Keelan Cawley, Brendan Egan, Eoin Flanagan; Cian Breheny, Niall Murphy; Criostoir Davey, Mark Breheny, Neil Ewing; David Kelly, Pat Hughes, Adrian Marren.
Team is as expected although there are serious question marks in the pivotal positions of full back and midfield - the players in those positions are not playing in their natural positions. Also Ewing is a corner back playing in the half forwards. Apart from that I am surprised Brian Curran isn't starting. Sligo will have to employ a Cluxtonesque kick-out strategy in order to avoid a wipe-out at midfield.
1
Aidan Devaney
Calry/St.Joseph's
2
Ross Donovan
Eastern Harps
3
Kevin McDonnell
Castleconnor
4
Daniel Maye
Tubbercurry
5
Keelan Cawley
Coolera/Strandhill
6
Brendan Egan
St.Vincent's
7
Eoin Flanagan
St.John's
8
Cian Breheny
St.Mary's
9
Niall Murphy
Coolera/Strandhill
10
Criostoir Davey
Coolaney/Mullinabreena
11
Mark Breheny
St.Mary's
12
Neil Ewing
Drumcliffe/Rosses Point
13
David Kelly
Tubbercurry
14
Pat Hughes
Geevagh
15
Adrian Marren
Curry
I really worry about that midfield in the heat of the Championship, served us out well at the end of the league but this is a huge step up. By my reckoning there are 5 players making their first Championship starts there, Murphy would have made a couple of sub appearances before but it would be the first action for Breheny, Davey, Flanagan and Maye.
I'd be happier if we brought McManus or Gilmartin into that midfield but would expect Hughes to drop out there and help.
Quote from: Shrewdness on June 18, 2015, 12:51:42 PM
Was told this Roscommon team to play Sligo....Darren O Malley,...Seanie mc Dermott, Niall Carty, Neil Collins,...Ronan Stack, Niall Daly, Ciaran Cafferky.., Ian Kilbride, Cathal Shine... Conor Daly, Cathal Cregg, Enda Smith,... Diarmuid Murtagh, Senan Kilbride, Ciaran Murtagh.....Didn't hear that team officially confirmed.
I'm told that is the announced "official " team.
Cregg lucky to be starting after his last 4 or 5 games. I'd prefer David Murray to Stack but expect to see him, Donie Smith and Donie Shine appearing at some stage.
Best of luck lads.
Really excited by this match, either way we will learn a lot and I feel win, lose or draw I am very happy with Carew and his management so far especially around team selection, tactics, in game strategy and gameplan. Its completely down to the players now imo whereas in previous yrs weve been handicapped by poor management. I just cant see this being anything but a tight close fought affair that will ebb and flow. Will Roscommon go blanket defence or man to man. They'll probably use tactics with mayo match in mind. They used quick free kick strategy early on in the London match, and went for goal when points were on, they also crowded the centre of the field on kickouts, allowed London short kickouts then pressure on backs coming out, I did see a few weaknesses though that even London exploited. Should be interesting. May the best team win. Sligeach abu.
Sligonian says of the Ros v London game "I did see a few weaknesses that even London exploited" Is this the London team that beat Sligo the last time ye played them? Sligo are very confident going into this game, Ros will win in a tight finish, the five a side pitch will save Sligo from anything worse.
Quote from: giveballaghback on June 19, 2015, 08:10:49 PM
Sligonian says of the Ros v London game "I did see a few weaknesses that even London exploited" Is this the London team that beat Sligo the last time ye played them? Sligo are very confident going into this game, Ros will win in a tight finish, the five a side pitch will save Sligo from anything worse.
You have some cheek complaining about markievicz park. You're time would be better spent filling in the holes and planting some grass seed in yer dump. And while you are at it, maybe fix some of the broken seats and smelly toilets. Then come and enjoy the views and the game at a right field.
getting a great laugh out of readying the Sligo boys comments. Lads where in the name of God are ye getting all ye're confidence from God I no Us rossies are prob over confident but at least our team have backed it up this year with promotion have a few good underage teams. Sligo were no good last two years and this years u21 team ye had was probably the worst I have ever seen
What time is throw in lads?
Quote from: moysider on June 19, 2015, 09:28:36 PM
What time is throw in lads?
7pm. Ladies' Connacht championship match between the counties before at 4:45pm.
Its not confidence, its just we know we are in transition, we know we are under no pressure at all, we found a new balance and new players whilst reducing the age of the team substantially, so just gives us hope, and ill take that for now. I just cant seeing us getting destroyed, something clicked during the league and I'm excited to see it in championship. I'm excited to see where we are at, simple as that.
A lot of optimism emanating g from across the Curlieu and Lough Gara.
A lot of cautious optimism and a bit of fear from God's own County.
We need to hit the ground running and don't let Sligo get any early foothold. We should do the business then.
Hoping for a stern test and see what our lads are now made of.
Great to be at long last having a real Championship game.
One thing's for sure, Sligo won't fear Roscommon.
Hearing Senan K is out and Cian Connolly is in.
Quote from: Syferus on June 20, 2015, 04:44:41 PM
Hearing Senan K is out and Cian Connolly is in.
Haha just backed him first goal scorer , money back I suppose.
Quote from: Syferus on June 20, 2015, 04:44:41 PM
Hearing Senan K is out and Cian Connolly is in.
It is a blow for Kilbride but I thought Connolly looked excellent against Down. This for me will be the difference for the Rossies. While the Sligo first 15 will give the Rossies their fill of it the Rossie bench is much stronger for me. I expect it to be nip and tuck for the first 50 mins with Ros pulling away in the last 20 to win by 4 or 5 points.
If Sligo could rattle a couple of early goals though it will really be game on in Markievicz park!!
Conor daly will not play I am hearing he is sick supposedly
Heading in now.
Have been getting more optimistic as the game approaches and think we will do it as long as our midfield doesn't fall apart.
Senan warming up anyways. Hard to know who'll start. Donie Shine no where to be seen so he's definitely out totally.
Already looks like Ros have taken Sligo somewhat for granted. Sligo far more tuned in. Should be a very interesting game!
Disallowed Point looked inside the post on replay?
Quote from: Tubberman on June 20, 2015, 07:07:20 PM
Already looks like Ros have taken Sligo somewhat for granted. Sligo far more tuned in. Should be a very interesting game!
sligo started similar against us in the league, full of energy and looked pretty decent first half but ran out of steam and couldn't maintain their intensity
Quote from: Tubberman on June 20, 2015, 07:18:45 PM
Disallowed Point looked inside the post on replay?
Yeah - thought that as well but the camera angle
Sligo likely to regret that goal chance they missed.
Senan Kilbride definitely off form tonight
Roscommon not really looking like a side who will be in Division 1 next year.
Sligo getting cleaned around the middle. Will be the losing of the game for them because their defence and attack are doing well
Sligo lead 1-5 to 0-6. Penalty by Marren
The wheels on the bus come off, off, off, off, off, off.
The wheels on the bus come off, off, off, off, off, off.
Diarmuid Murtagh gone now, this will really test Ros
8 wides by Rossies in that half
Maybe I'm just a p***k but is Roscommon in the top 3 most hated counties in Ireland, GAA wise.
1. Dublin
2. Tyrone
3. Roscommon
Pat Hughes doing very well in the full forward line for Sligo, great target man
Should be said Maurice Deegan is playing the advantage rule very well.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 20, 2015, 07:49:30 PM
Should be said Maurice Deegan is playing the advantage rule very well.
Yup - he's giving a masterclass on how it should be used. Great to see.
Maurice Deegan is doing excellent for wance.
Best performance from a Laois man all day.
I still think Roscommon will grind out a victory here. Sligo surely can't keep up the intensity for another half.
Having said that, it's a big test for them now.
2nd attempted handpass by Senan Kilbride intercepted
Deegan giving some dubious frees now, I should have kept my mouth shut about him!
C'mon shligo
Sligo may run out of steam
Sligo ahead by 3. 5 minutes left.
Some win for sligo, roscommon were awful but take nothing away, sligo were very good
http://www.the42.ie/roscommon-john-evans-all-ireland-2070553-Apr2015/
Great win for Sligo. Had a feeling they would take this one. Would worry that they will absolutely ate in midfield in the Connacht final but sure that's for another day.
Fair play to sligo
So much for winning All-Ireland's
Well done Sligo. I wasn't expecting that
The Rossies got their answer in Black and White.
Hard luck Roscommon, the better team on paper.
Fair play, Sligo. The hungriest team won on the day and there was no fluke about it.
BTW, I tuned into Shannonside to follow the commentary and I heard the legendary Willy Whatishisname for the first time. He's some tulip! ;D
Quote from: Shannoncider on June 19, 2015, 08:45:29 PM
getting a great laugh out of readying the Sligo boys comments. Lads where in the name of God are ye getting all ye're confidence from God I no Us rossies are prob over confident but at least our team have backed it up this year with promotion have a few good underage teams. Sligo were no good last two years and this years u21 team ye had was probably the worst I have ever seen
Ouch
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 20, 2015, 08:34:07 PM
Great win for Sligo. Had a feeling they would take this one. Would worry that they will absolutely ate in midfield in the Connacht final but sure that's for another day.
Yeah midfield a big worry - also think Sligo's forwards aren't going to have it as easy as they had today.
Absolutely delighted would be an understatement, well done lads
Congrats Sligonian, well worth the win. Plenty to be worked on for connacht final but ye can well afford to enjoy tonight!
Interesting to contrast Sligo's performance with Waterford's today given how Niall Carew left Waterford.
Well done Sligo. Delighted for Niall and Roli.
Very impressive by Sligo, ugly outfit though.
Hup ya boy ya
More to come later, too happy to write anymore
Fair play to Sligo. Must be favourites for Connacht now seeing how they stopped the legendary Roscommon forward line ;D
Congrats to Seanie and the rest of the Sligo lads.
That wasn't as big a surprise as some on here might have thought.
Absolutely thrilled with that, huge team performance and hard to pick out individuals. We did get cleaned out when the kick outs went long as a lot of us expected but our attitude was spot on and we got stuck in and turned the ball over. Great to see David Kelly back fit and in form after a horrible few years for him!
Well done Sligo bucks on here, hard luck Rossies. Give the final a good lash now. Dare to dream.
In a two tier championship ye wouldn't have even been allowed on the same pitch. Be careful what we wish for.
Very impressed with the Sligo full forward and full back.
A great win for a great bunch of lads.
Didn't see the game because was at club championship and fupping UPC recording didn't come out!!
I'm looking forward to the Salthill vs Castlebar debate already. If it's in Galway I'm renting a helicopter...
Quote from: ballinaman on June 20, 2015, 09:11:00 PM
Didn't see the game because was at club championship and fupping UPC recording didn't come out!!
I'm looking forward to the Salthill vs Castlebar debate already. If it's in Galway I'm renting a helicopter...
Play it in Lim... Ah forget it. I've overplayed that one already.
Poor performance by Roscommon, very little hunger , like the U21 game against Tyrone.
Can debate the game and it's details another time, and worry about the Connacht final too, but for now...
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Quote from: ballinaman on June 20, 2015, 09:11:00 PM
Didn't see the game because was at club championship and fupping UPC recording didn't come out!!
I'm looking forward to the Salthill vs Castlebar debate already. If it's in Galway I'm renting a helicopter...
well with a 4pm throw in I'm trying to work out how to get back to london for work monday morning. can't be castlebar, has to be neutral but mayo have choice of the hyde or pearse
Can't be Hyde buddy, has to be salthil or castlebar. Well done to ye, brilliant performance.
Well done Sligo, no surprise for me as I predicted a Sligo win. It's a very difficult place to go and win a match. Once ye got the momentum the game was in the bag. Ross panicked a bit after the penalty and I would hope they will give the back door a good run.
Connacht football is in good health. We will have our work cut out in the final but that's a conversation for another day.
Great performance by Sligo they had more quality up front than Roscommon and ultimately that and a greater level of hunger was the difference. Roscommon were far too laboured in their build up play and showed little desire or urgency even though they were behind. Sligo lack a couple of big ball winners in the middle but in Breheny and Marron they have a couple of good forwards and with absolutely nothing to lose in the Connacht final they can cause Mayo some problems.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 20, 2015, 09:25:07 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on June 20, 2015, 09:11:00 PM
Didn't see the game because was at club championship and fupping UPC recording didn't come out!!
I'm looking forward to the Salthill vs Castlebar debate already. If it's in Galway I'm renting a helicopter...
well with a 4pm throw in I'm trying to work out how to get back to london for work monday morning. can't be castlebar, has to be neutral but mayo have choice of the hyde or pearse
Train to Dublin from Galway and last flight and you'll be sound.
Great performance by Sligo, much deserved win but my god Roscommon have no fight in them at all.
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 20, 2015, 09:36:08 PM
Great performance by Sligo, much deserved win but my god Roscommon have no fight in them at all.
They might have no fight in them but they have an all Ireland in them .
http://www.the42.ie/roscommon-john-evans-all-ireland-2070553-Apr2015/
Terrific result! Those in and around Sligo will not be surprised with this result. The word coming out of the camp was very positive indeed and the faith in Niall Carew was high all year. Rossies promised much and as per usual talked themselves up. U.21s are one thing lads, senior is different. Sligeach abú!
Mymymy, so the Roscommon juggernaut was battered this evening, where were all the galacticos? Rossie lads (and Syferus) put a motion into congress to see can they change the format so instead of having to play the game on a pitch you talk about the game instead and blow the quality of the players ye have out of all proportion, ye would be nailed on to win numerous all Irelands then, best forwards in the country my arse ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 20, 2015, 08:41:18 PM
Absolutely delighted would be an understatement, well done lads
Well done, Sligonian. I bet you are a very happy bunny right now.
Pass my regards on to your dad. I was thinking of him as the game entered the final minutes.
I imagine his blood pressure was off the radar screen. ;D
Did Sky put on a good show? I'll be watching Sunday Game for highlights 2moro, hurling will be on first so approx 10.20pm for this one.
Well done Sligo. Returned the ambush the Rossie inflicted in 2010. A Connacht final and a chance t get Mayo on an off day.
For the Rossies, all is not lost. Important to regroup and use the Qualifiers. The extra games (if they get their heads right) will help them grow and get ready for Division One football next year. The players are there, but as we know in Mayo it takes more than good footballers to win titles.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 20, 2015, 10:17:18 PM
Did Sky put on a good show? I'll be watching Sunday Game for highlights 2moro, hurling will be on first so approx 10.20pm for this one.
I watched it in the bar but from what i heard it was excellent.
First time watching Roscommon this year, and had decent expectations after their league and all the talk around them. Fairly underwhelmed.
Fair play to Sligo, another good upset today.
I thought at half time that Roscommon would come back into the game because I couldn't see Sligo keeping the intensity for 70 minutes.
Disappointing showing by Roscommon but Sligo were well worth the win and will give the final a good rattle too.
Sligo had long enough to suss Roscommon out , 11 weeks since their last game. It was a good performance by them. A few very talented players,
Roscommon defence struggled against a team that finished mid table in Div 3, they would to sort it for Divison 1 next year.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 20, 2015, 10:17:18 PM
Did Sky put on a good show? I'll be watching Sunday Game for highlights 2moro, hurling will be on first so approx 10.20pm for this one.
The analysis was very good.
Jimmy McGuinness is made for this stuff.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 20, 2015, 10:36:50 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 20, 2015, 10:17:18 PM
Did Sky put on a good show? I'll be watching Sunday Game for highlights 2moro, hurling will be on first so approx 10.20pm for this one.
The analysis was very good.
Jimmy McGuinness is made for this stuff.
Agreed, I thought they were all quite good but McGuinness stands out. Jimmy talks people listen.
Well done t Sligo, much the sharper looking team. Marren, Kelly & Brehony made our star forwards look like a pub team. Coach knows what he is at, ours way over-rated, not surprised at all with this result, teams in div 2 were shite this year. Best of luck to Sligo, not flattered one bit by a 4 point win.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 20, 2015, 10:20:42 PM
Well done Sligo. Returned the ambush the Rossie inflicted in 2010. A Connacht final and a chance t get Mayo on an off day.
For the Rossies, all is not lost. Important to regroup and use the Qualifiers. The extra games (if they get their heads right) will help them grow and get ready for Division One football next year. The players are there, but as we know in Mayo it takes more than good footballers to win titles.
Are the players there though? Are Roscommon as good as they're made out to be? Yes they've the best underage structures in place but it isn't worth a shit if they can't produce the goods at senior. At least they have the 2006 minors coming through... That was a good excuse for a few years, but I don't know what they can say now.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 20, 2015, 09:39:16 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 20, 2015, 09:36:08 PM
Great performance by Sligo, much deserved win but my god Roscommon have no fight in them at all.
They might have no fight in them but they have an all Ireland in them .
http://www.the42.ie/roscommon-john-evans-all-ireland-2070553-Apr2015/
Ros are a February phenomenon
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Re: FBD League 2015 - Leitrim for 3 in a row?
You know what.Dont let me ever hear anyone say the FBD league is dead. This competition was reborn on Sunday. To see the delight in the Roscommon players eyes on the final whistle, well it would bring joy to any man. It just goes to show how wonderful the game of football is that on any given day anything can happen. So the Ros have put down a marker for the year ahead. Just like they did last year and teh year before that.
Altogether now. We are Ros, We are Ros, We are we are we are ROS
It seems like everyone in Mayo are awful perturbed by an FBD game. More talk of markers being thrown than a stationary shop. There was a time (last year) when ye could lose this game without losing your heads completely. Methinks some part of you is very worried that the glory days are over for a while, FBD or no FBD.
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Well done Sligo. The magic of sport.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 20, 2015, 10:39:42 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 20, 2015, 10:36:50 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 20, 2015, 10:17:18 PM
Did Sky put on a good show? I'll be watching Sunday Game for highlights 2moro, hurling will be on first so approx 10.20pm for this one.
The analysis was very good.
Jimmy McGuinness is made for this stuff.
Agreed, I thought they were all quite good but McGuinness stands out. Jimmy talks people listen.
Who else is on the panel?
Quote from: ck on June 20, 2015, 10:43:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 20, 2015, 10:39:42 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 20, 2015, 10:36:50 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 20, 2015, 10:17:18 PM
Did Sky put on a good show? I'll be watching Sunday Game for highlights 2moro, hurling will be on first so approx 10.20pm for this one.
The analysis was very good.
Jimmy McGuinness is made for this stuff.
Agreed, I thought they were all quite good but McGuinness stands out. Jimmy talks people listen.
Who else is on the panel?
Senan Connell (talks a million miles an hour but he is still decent) and Peter Canavan (offers a bit of insight). Rachel Wyse is a welcome addition too! Thought it worked well tonight but it's McGuinness that is the king, says everything with such conviction.
Will give my views on Roscommon when i get my thoughts in order. But tonight is Sligo's night. Congrats to them on an excellent performance and a win that was well deserved. Congrats to the Sligo posters on here who always keep the flag flying, Magpie Seanie, Sligonian, Mano, Sligoman, Sligoman2, ck etc. Apologies to anyone i've left out...
I thought mcguinness was disrespectful before the games towards us, this is all about roscommon etc. he did analyse the game very well but all cared before the game was where roscommon were at.
Thanks Lar he was delighted and hope your keeping well, now how do we stop Mayo and aidan o shea
Quote from: yellowcard on June 20, 2015, 10:51:54 PM
Quote from: ck on June 20, 2015, 10:43:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 20, 2015, 10:39:42 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 20, 2015, 10:36:50 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 20, 2015, 10:17:18 PM
Did Sky put on a good show? I'll be watching Sunday Game for highlights 2moro, hurling will be on first so approx 10.20pm for this one.
The analysis was very good.
Jimmy McGuinness is made for this stuff.
Agreed, I thought they were all quite good but McGuinness stands out. Jimmy talks people listen.
Who else is on the panel?
Senan Connell (talks a million miles an hour but he is still decent) and Peter Canavan (offers a bit of insight). Rachel Wyse is a welcome addition too! Thought it worked well tonight but it's McGuinness that is the king, says everything with such conviction.
They actually analyse the game which is refreshing. They make RTE's regular three look like old men moaning in a pub. I agree about McGuinness, great to listen to.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 20, 2015, 11:03:17 PM
I thought mcguinness was disrespectful before the games towards us, this is all about roscommon etc. he did analyse the game very well but all cared before the game was where roscommon were at.
Thanks Lar he was delighted and hope your keeping well, now how do we stop Mayo and aidan o shea
When ye can stop the Ros galacticos ye can stop anyone
Quote from: Shrewdness on June 20, 2015, 11:02:02 PM
Will give my views on Roscommon when i get my thoughts in order. But tonight is Sligo's night. Congrats to them on an excellent performance and a win that was well deserved. Congrats to the Sligo posters on here who always keep the flag flying, Magpie Seanie, Sligonian, Mano, Sligoman, Sligoman2, ck etc. Apologies to anyone i've left out...
thanks shrewdness, chin up, today could be the wake up call ye needed and summer is a long way from being over
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Quote from: From the Bunker on June 20, 2015, 10:20:42 PM
Well done Sligo. Returned the ambush the Rossie inflicted in 2010. A Connacht final and a chance t get Mayo on an off day.
For the Rossies, all is not lost. Important to regroup and use the Qualifiers. The extra games (if they get their heads right) will help them grow and get ready for Division One football next year. The players are there, but as we know in Mayo it takes more than good footballers to win titles.
Are the players there though? Are Roscommon as good as they're made out to be? Yes they've the best underage structures in place but it isn't worth a shit if they can't produce the goods at senior. At least they have the 2006 minors coming through... That was a good excuse for a few years, but I don't know what they can say now.
Agree with this assessment. Appalling result for Roscommon today.
First big shock of the championship, fair play sligo
Just home from a few pints now, after being down in Tullamore last year it was hard to feel optimistic about Sligo football. We had an ageing team who had given a lot over the years and no real sign of anything coming through. Testament to Carew for the work he has done and confidence he has provided. He gave the squad the freshening up it needed and deserves great praise for today.
I felt if we could compete and draw even around the middle then we have more quality in our full back and full forward lines to win the game.
Wow. That was easily one of the most depressing football matches I've ever experienced. Not just because we fell totally flat or because we had every reason to think we turning a corner, but because the result never seemed in doubt. To me that sort of performance is as bad a hammering to Mayo or Galway ever has been because it draws into open question the progress we've made over the last few seasons.
It was a performance lacking guile or execution. It's easier to point to the few souls that put in a good shift - Cregg, Shine - than it is to target players who didn't. Some seem to take too much relish in attacking county players when they don't perform and I have no doubts today will be no different.
We're supposed to compete at Division 1 level next spring and here we were regressing into the worst most brainless habits of our Division 3 days. It will take some doing to lift the team after that performance even if the Quailifiers offer a decent chance of a run this year. The AIQFs have rarely felt farther away.
Well done to Sligo, deserved winners.
I only saw a brief clip of it but was the sligo penalty awful soft??
Hopefully Cormac Reilly gets the final, always liked him as one of top refs in the game. And Salthill the venue naturally.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on June 21, 2015, 12:36:59 AM
Hopefully Cormac Reilly gets the final, always liked him as one of top refs in the game. And Salthill the venue naturally.
He got what looked like a good point for Ros chalked off today. Controversy follows him around.
So first of all, well done Sligo, far superior team on the day and it was a well deserved win for ye. So as poorly as we played today the most infuriating thing was the lack of effort overall. Hardly any movement up front most of the time, no runs being made. And since we persisted with running into the Sligo defense where were the support runs? Our gameplan seemed to be, run into a wall of Sligo players and hope for the best. :P Today aside though there are fundamental problems in this team that need to be addressed.
No natural defenders in our HB line, Keenan probably the best of them but is injury prone, nice footballers no doubt but in Division 1 especially we'll be torn apart if we don't solidify this line.
We're consistently inconsistent. Good one game, abysmal the next. We've been poor two games on the trot now, and if our management is actually serious about us being AI contenders in 2-3 years (Seems like wishful thinking right now) , we haven't a hope of achieving that without some degree of consistency. You really don't know what Roscommon side is going to turn up some days.
We don't break out of defense at pace, build up is incredibly laboured, allows the opposition plenty of time to set up their defensive structure and we end up running into cul de sacs.
I could go on but we seem to be way off where we like to think we are. Just how good are our forwards? You can only really judge how good they are when they come up against they top defenses with little space to work with, even against a division 3 defense they struggled. Our most experienced forward today was absolutely awful, he always seems to struggle when tightly marked. Anyways best of luck to Sligo, fully deserving winners and I wish ye the best for July 19th! :)
I was very surprised with Roacommons lack of intensity, they seemed to be waiting for someone else to do the work. Maybe a good time to get a wake up call.
As expected we won very little ball in the air but our tenacity and defending was brilliant and our shooting was top class.
Well done to all involved. I think Roscommon could still do damage as they will be wounded by this display.
No point being repetitive. A lot of what i was going to say has, more or less, been covered by 'The Black Mamba' in his post. But there are a few issues that i want to raise..Did any other Rossie poster hear speculation before the match, that both Senan Kilbride and Diarmuid Murtagh had failed pre match fitness tests?...Why has Donal Ward been catapulted into our championship starting team when he didn't kick a ball during the NFL and spends most of his time injured?...Imo, there is no leadership, no leaders in this team. Only about 3 players, imo, played up to standard yesterday. The rest were a shambles. There didn't seem to be any game plan evident..There's a saying in sport, that a team reflects it's manager. How much blame does John Evans take for this disgraceful shambles.. It was a continuation of a poor performance in Ruislip.. Despite his league successes, are we now seeing first signs that This Roscommon team have gone as far as they can under Evans or is it the players themselves who must take the blame?
Well that's Sam on hold for another 25 years then.
Out thought out fought and outplayed in every facet of the game by a third division team.
Playing Oul slow watery mopey dopey football might be grand in the League but Summer Championship is about intensity pace hunger game plans etc etc.
Hard to see any point in the Qualifiers after that.
Well done Sligo on a hungry intense intelligent performance and be lovely to see them stop the 5 in a row.
I expect they will assert their right to a neutral venue and opt for Salt hill.
Heard as "fact" from a few " in the know" people that Senan wouldn't be playing.
Quote from: Shrewdness on June 21, 2015, 09:13:56 AM
No point being repetitive. A lot of what i was going to say has, more or less, been covered by 'The Black Mamba' in his post. But there are a few issues that i want to raise..Did any other Rossie poster hear speculation before the match, that both Senan Kilbride and Diarmuid Murtagh had failed pre match fitness tests?...Why has Donal Ward been catapulted into our championship starting team when he didn't kick a ball during the NFL and spends most of his time injured?...Imo, there is no leadership, no leaders in this team. Only about 3 players, imo, played up to standard yesterday. The rest were a shambles. There didn't seem to be any game plan evident..There's a saying in sport, that a team reflects it's manager. How much blame does John Evans take for this disgraceful shambles.. It was a continuation of a poor performance in Ruislip.. Despite his league successes, are we now seeing first signs that This Roscommon team have gone as far as they can under Evans or is it the players themselves who must take the blame?
Completely agree about a team reflecting it's manager. I mean you just have to consider how poor Division 2 was this year. Laois ended up losing to Antrim yesterday, Down who topped the group didn't look up to much against Derry, then there was our performance yesterday. We've beaten no one of note in Connacht under Evans in his three years. This year especially I thought we at least could have made the Connacht final.
League and championship are two different animals. Roscommon were beaten by their own arrogance which they have too much off. Manager talking about winning all Ireland's, what an idiot. Yer approach was insulting to your opponents who answered ye by kicking your arses.
Quote from: Itchy on June 21, 2015, 10:36:56 AM
League and championship are two different animals. Roscommon were beaten by their own arrogance which they have too much off. Manager talking about winning all Ireland's, what an idiot. Yer approach was insulting to your opponents who answered ye by kicking your arses.
Your usual garbage. We did not lose because weren't focused on Sligo - the players and the county definitely were. Kind of hope we get Cavan tomorrow's because of your ill-tempered shite.
Blaming the manager already ::)
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 21, 2015, 11:00:51 AM
Blaming the manager already ::)
Aye. Everyone's to blame.
I think Roscommon peaked earlier in the year, winning FBD and doing well in the league. They gave a bit extra earlier this year and are a bit flat now! Happened to Derry last year.
Quote from: Syferus on June 21, 2015, 10:57:29 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 21, 2015, 10:36:56 AM
League and championship are two different animals. Roscommon were beaten by their own arrogance which they have too much off. Manager talking about winning all Ireland's, what an idiot. Yer approach was insulting to your opponents who answered ye by kicking your arses.
Your usual garbage. We did not lose because weren't focused on Sligo - the players and the county definitely were. Kind of hope we get Cavan tomorrow's because of your ill-tempered shite.
I think everyone can read on these pages the completely unfounded arrogance around Roscommon. My shite is not ill tempered, it's more amused shite really.
The vast majority of Ros supporters did not disrespect Sligo or were they talking up a team that we all know is average at best, but in every county there are ahls and bss and speaking of those 2 things you might have a look in the mirror yourself Itchy.
Who will be in the hat with the Rossies for the draw
New york
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 21, 2015, 11:07:13 AM
I think Roscommon peaked earlier in the year, winning FBD and doing well in the league. They gave a bit extra earlier this year and are a bit flat now! Happened to Derry last year.
This is an idea I've heard a few times on here. Don't buy it.
We've been absolutely consistent in our form in the FBD, league and championship - good games backed up by diabolical ones. We made real progress in the league but we never played more than 35 minutes of good football at a time. If we really had looked on in the league I could buy the team putting extra effort and it making them a bit empty in the championship but we rarely looked too hectic.
Going by the last two games we're due a good game or two but I won't be holding my breath.
Quote from: giveballaghback on June 21, 2015, 11:24:32 AM
The vast majority of Ros supporters did not disrespect Sligo or were they talking up a team that we all know is average at best, but in every county there are ahls and bss and speaking of those 2 things you might have a look in the mirror yourself Itchy.
You'll have to write that in English for, I'm useless at translating text speak of 14 year olds. Sorry.
Isn't fascinating how little underage success mean when playing Sligo, like we have had none, and Roscommon have had loads even hammering our u21s earlier, but Flanagan, McDonnell and Brehony thrived yday and clearly can handle the step up, that fascinates me, with our minors up next we might not win Connacht but there's 7/8 seriously talented footballers in that team who Jesus if we can hold it together at senior another 2/3 yrs we will be in great shape. Our talented players just seem to step up easily from underage to senior.
Anything that happens now is a bonus for us at senior, I know most of us informed where not surprised with yday but for me we didn't play all that great, we can better, and we will need to, there was a spell second half where both teams went scoreless and we looked like kicking on moving the ball brilliantly so that will have to have finishing touch the next day. 2 chances at getting to all Ireland qtr is a great feeling and no doubt being underdogs and completely written off will suit us all the way.
Delighted with the result and by and large with the performance. The beauty of it from a Sligo perspective, facing into the huge challenge of Mayo in the final, is that it was far from a perfect performance. We have loads to work on but if we improve and can get close to our best who knows? That's for another day.
More comments when I get time.
You have said it yourself itchy, your useless!
Where is gibbs?
Quote from: larryin89 on June 21, 2015, 12:54:26 PM
Where is gibbs?
Give him a break, must be hard to remember all the different username and passwords.
Anyone know will Sky be repeating the game?
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Where is gibbs?
Give him a break, must be hard to remember all the different username and passwords.
He was banned.
Terrible result for Roscommon. They've no hope as regards the AI Series and winning a Connacht Championship would have a real boost for the county.
I said at the start of the season Evans had stayed too long with this team and I think last night justifies that opinion.
Fair play to Sligo though- fantastic result. But they've got to back it up in the final. Otherwise it's just a flash in the pan.
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Did Sky put on a good show? I'll be watching Sunday Game for highlights 2moro, hurling will be on first so approx 10.20pm for this one.
The analysis was very good.
Jimmy McGuinness is made for this stuff.
Agreed, I thought they were all quite good but McGuinness stands out. Jimmy talks people listen.
Not everyone listens. I don't.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 21, 2015, 01:11:26 PM
Terrible result for Roscommon. They've no hope as regards the AI Series and winning a Connacht Championship would have a real boost for the county.
I said at the start of the season Evans had stayed too long with this team and I think last night justifies that opinion.
Fair play to Sligo though- fantastic result. But they've got to back it up in the final. Otherwise it's just a flash in the pan.
It's a wonder you weren't as loud when he was winning Division 2 a month or two ago. Evans certainly hasn't stayed too long and anyone trying to single out him has to realise the team has as much blame as the management for what happened.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 20, 2015, 11:03:17 PM
I thought mcguinness was disrespectful before the games towards us, this is all about roscommon etc. he did analyse the game very well but all cared before the game was where roscommon were at.
Thanks Lar he was delighted and hope your keeping well, now how do we stop Mayo and aidan o shea
Very disrespectful. Completely dismissive of Sligo beforehand. All Sligo had to do was pipe in Mc Guinness pre-game for motivation.
Had to do a serious U Turn at the end of the game.
Hopefully Mc Guinness will have analysis on both teams the next day out.
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Quote from: INDIANA on June 21, 2015, 01:11:26 PM
Terrible result for Roscommon. They've no hope as regards the AI Series and winning a Connacht Championship would have a real boost for the county.
I said at the start of the season Evans had stayed too long with this team and I think last night justifies that opinion.
Fair play to Sligo though- fantastic result. But they've got to back it up in the final. Otherwise it's just a flash in the pan.
It's a wonder you weren't as loud when he was winning Division 2 a month or two ago. Evans certainly hasn't stayed too long and anyone trying to single out him has to realise the team has as much blame as the management for what happened.
He has done nothing in the Championship Syferus. Nothing.
He has good players , he has more resources then most counties and he can't beat a Div 4 team.
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I thought mcguinness was disrespectful before the games towards us, this is all about roscommon etc. he did analyse the game very well but all cared before the game was where roscommon were at.
Thanks Lar he was delighted and hope your keeping well, now how do we stop Mayo and aidan o shea
Very disrespectful. Completely dismissive of Sligo beforehand. All Sligo had to do was pipe in Mc Guinness pre-game for motivation.
Had to do a serious U Turn at the end of the game.
Hopefully Mc Guinness will have analysis on both teams the next day out.
Indiana what was McGuinness at before the game do you reckon? He was so disrespectful when asked about us, he wouldn't even mention us, "it's all about Roscommon today and where they're at" I was taken aback, totally dismissive, fair play to Senan Connell though, he is enthusiasm for us was a delight to see, mcguinness did change his tune though after and gave a good analysis and canavan analysis is top class too tbf
There's a good chance McGuinness wouldn't have known a whole pile about sligo before the game
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Quote from: INDIANA on June 21, 2015, 01:11:26 PM
Terrible result for Roscommon. They've no hope as regards the AI Series and winning a Connacht Championship would have a real boost for the county.
I said at the start of the season Evans had stayed too long with this team and I think last night justifies that opinion.
Fair play to Sligo though- fantastic result. But they've got to back it up in the final. Otherwise it's just a flash in the pan.
It's a wonder you weren't as loud when he was winning Division 2 a month or two ago. Evans certainly hasn't stayed too long and anyone trying to single out him has to realise the team has as much blame as the management for what happened.
He has done nothing in the Championship Syferus. Nothing.
He has good players , he has more resources then most counties and he can't beat a Div 4 team.
More resources than who? Wicklow, Carlow? Far be it for a Dub to tell us we're well off but we'll almost surely have the smallest budget of any team in D1 or D2 next year, maybe Fermanagh excepted. Evans has done a good job so far.
Who knows if he'll even be there next year but you and a few within the county singling him out comes off a little rich. Heffo down from heaven wouldn't have stopped us losing yesterday with the amount of unforced errors we were making.
And Sligo are a Division 3 team..
Can I just point out we are a division 3 team but lads the way we finished the league with a totally different team that started the league and yday's result we would not be out of place in div 2 either, the league is never really a barometer for championship especially when you have new manager,
I think ye are being harsh on McGuinness - I don't think he was dismissing Sligo, it's just that he found it fascinating to see where Roscommon were in their development. They had all the underage success, they had successive league promotions, so this summer was their chance to announce themselves as contenders at a national level. I think he wanted to see if the players, management, the whole lot, had it within themselves to make that leap. Obviously they didn't yesterday.
If anything he was putting more pressure on Roscommon, shit or get off the pot scenario.
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I thought mcguinness was disrespectful before the games towards us, this is all about roscommon etc. he did analyse the game very well but all cared before the game was where roscommon were at.
Thanks Lar he was delighted and hope your keeping well, now how do we stop Mayo and aidan o shea
Very disrespectful. Completely dismissive of Sligo beforehand. All Sligo had to do was pipe in Mc Guinness pre-game for motivation.
Had to do a serious U Turn at the end of the game.
Hopefully Mc Guinness will have analysis on both teams the next day out.
Indiana what was McGuinness at before the game do you reckon? He was so disrespectful when asked about us, he wouldn't even mention us, "it's all about Roscommon today and where they're at" I was taken aback, totally dismissive, fair play to Senan Connell though, he is enthusiasm for us was a delight to see, mcguinness did change his tune though after and gave a good analysis and canavan analysis is top class too tbf
He had no homework done on you at all. When he was asked about individual players he turned the conversation straight around to Roscommon whose names he could reel off. He's well known of being dismissive towards lower end sides. He figured it would be a turkey shoot.
He'd never take a job at a lower county where he'd have to get his hands dirty. Canavan to me is a really good analyst. But he's not as pretty as Jim so he tends to be on the camera less. Pity because the more you listen to him the more you realise Tyrone need him in charge of their senior team.
Watched back the Sky coverage this morning and would agree on McGuinness. He seemed to dismiss us out of hand, Connell to his credit called it beforehand and Canavan was very good and did give Sligo a chance and at least said we had some quality but McGuinness pre-match comments were very lazy.
I didn't get a match program yesterday but it was interesting we only made two subs which were both enforced with the black card and injury to Breheny, though both Curran and Gilmartin did well when we came in. Gilmartin won two kickouts after his introduction which was a bonus but not sure if he has the mobility for 70 minutes in the midfield with the game we play. Good to have him back as I think he's a fine footballer. Our bench is definitely down a bit with the absences of Martyn, Coen and Harrison from there. Who else was on the bench yesterday?
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Quote from: INDIANA on June 21, 2015, 01:11:26 PM
Terrible result for Roscommon. They've no hope as regards the AI Series and winning a Connacht Championship would have a real boost for the county.
I said at the start of the season Evans had stayed too long with this team and I think last night justifies that opinion.
Fair play to Sligo though- fantastic result. But they've got to back it up in the final. Otherwise it's just a flash in the pan.
It's a wonder you weren't as loud when he was winning Division 2 a month or two ago. Evans certainly hasn't stayed too long and anyone trying to single out him has to realise the team has as much blame as the management for what happened.
He has done nothing in the Championship Syferus. Nothing.
He has good players , he has more resources then most counties and he can't beat a Div 4 team.
More resources than who? Wicklow, Carlow? Far be it for a Dub to tell us we're well off but we'll almost surely have the smallest budget of any team in D1 or D2 next year, maybe Fermanagh excepted. Evans has done a good job so far.
Who knows if he'll even be there next year but you and a few within the county singling him out comes off a little rich. Heffo down from heaven wouldn't have stopped us losing yesterday with the amount of unforced errors we were making.
And Sligo are a Division 3 team..
Will you stop he hasn't a championship victory of any note in his tenure. There too long. At some point you have to win championship games as a manager.
Carew with no underage success, shag all of a Budget, no strong club teams of note, playing in a lower league- first championship season- beats a team nearly two leagues above them.
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I thought mcguinness was disrespectful before the games towards us, this is all about roscommon etc. he did analyse the game very well but all cared before the game was where roscommon were at.
Thanks Lar he was delighted and hope your keeping well, now how do we stop Mayo and aidan o shea
Very disrespectful. Completely dismissive of Sligo beforehand. All Sligo had to do was pipe in Mc Guinness pre-game for motivation.
Had to do a serious U Turn at the end of the game.
Hopefully Mc Guinness will have analysis on both teams the next day out.
Indiana what was McGuinness at before the game do you reckon? He was so disrespectful when asked about us, he wouldn't even mention us, "it's all about Roscommon today and where they're at" I was taken aback, totally dismissive, fair play to Senan Connell though, he is enthusiasm for us was a delight to see, mcguinness did change his tune though after and gave a good analysis and canavan analysis is top class too tbf
He had no homework done on you at all. When he was asked about individual players he turned the conversation straight around to Roscommon whose names he could reel off. He's well known of being dismissive towards lower end sides. He figured it would be a turkey shoot.
He'd never take a job at a lower county where he'd have to get his hands dirty. Canavan to me is a really good analyst. But he's not as pretty as Jim so he tends to be on the camera less. Pity because the more you listen to him the more you realise Tyrone need him in charge of their senior team.
Yeah, Donegal were in a great place when he took them over. Stop talking shite Indiana.
As I said before the game it was nicely set up for a Sligo win and well done them on their first big Connacht championship win since I think against Galway in Salthill three years ago. Roscommon were very poor on day both on and off the field however as poor as they were if a few breaks had went their way they would have pulled off a result which should be concern for Sligo before facing a seasoned and experienced Mayo side. Sligo are entitled to neutral venue for the final so it's looking like a second trip to Salthill this summer for Mayo.
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Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 20, 2015, 11:03:17 PM
I thought mcguinness was disrespectful before the games towards us, this is all about roscommon etc. he did analyse the game very well but all cared before the game was where roscommon were at.
Thanks Lar he was delighted and hope your keeping well, now how do we stop Mayo and aidan o shea
Very disrespectful. Completely dismissive of Sligo beforehand. All Sligo had to do was pipe in Mc Guinness pre-game for motivation.
Had to do a serious U Turn at the end of the game.
Hopefully Mc Guinness will have analysis on both teams the next day out.
Indiana what was McGuinness at before the game do you reckon? He was so disrespectful when asked about us, he wouldn't even mention us, "it's all about Roscommon today and where they're at" I was taken aback, totally dismissive, fair play to Senan Connell though, he is enthusiasm for us was a delight to see, mcguinness did change his tune though after and gave a good analysis and canavan analysis is top class too tbf
He had no homework done on you at all. When he was asked about individual players he turned the conversation straight around to Roscommon whose names he could reel off. He's well known of being dismissive towards lower end sides. He figured it would be a turkey shoot.
He'd never take a job at a lower county where he'd have to get his hands dirty. Canavan to me is a really good analyst. But he's not as pretty as Jim so he tends to be on the camera less. Pity because the more you listen to him the more you realise Tyrone need him in charge of their senior team.
Yeah, Donegal were in a great place when he took them over. Stop talking shite Indiana.
He didn't develop any of those players. they were already there!
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 21, 2015, 02:06:22 PM
As I said before the game it was nicely set up for a Sligo win and well done them on their first big Connacht championship win since I think against Galway in Salthill three years ago. Roscommon were very poor on day both on and off the field however as poor as they were if a few breaks had went their way they would have pulled off a result which should be concern for Sligo before facing a seasoned and experienced Mayo side. Sligo are entitled to neutral venue for the final so it's looking like a second trip to Salthill this summer for Mayo.
How was it setup for Sligo? That's a baffling statement about a team at the foot of Div 3.
I'm intrigued by how these finals venues are determined - anyone care to elaborate?
If it was to be neutral would they not go to Hyde park? Salthill is a disaster to get to.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 21, 2015, 02:10:33 PM
I'm intrigued by how these finals venues are determined - anyone care to elaborate?
If it was to be neutral would they not go to Hyde park? Salthill is a disaster to get to.
Hyde not suitable.
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I think Roscommon peaked earlier in the year, winning FBD and doing well in the league. They gave a bit extra earlier this year and are a bit flat now! Happened to Derry last year.
This is an idea I've heard a few times on here. Don't buy it.
We've been absolutely consistent in our form in the FBD, league and championship - good games backed up by diabolical ones. We made real progress in the league but we never played more than 35 minutes of good football at a time. If we really had looked on in the league I could buy the team putting extra effort and it making them a bit empty in the championship but we rarely looked too hectic.
Going by the last two games we're due a good game or two but I won't be holding my breath.
There were a lot of important games in Roscommons progress earlier in the year. All had a must win if not a must not lose factor to them. How many did sligo treat the same way? Plus Ros had the under 21 distraction at the same time. Roscommon are flat because they have had a lot of big games (for them) already and mentally yesterday probably did not seem like one of them.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 21, 2015, 02:10:33 PM
I'm intrigued by how these finals venues are determined - anyone care to elaborate?
If it was to be neutral would they not go to Hyde park? Salthill is a disaster to get to.
Salthill, McHale and the Hyde were the only grounds in Connacht to accommodate Connacht finals. The Hyde's capacity was revised downwards in 2012 (health and safety report that effected many grounds) and the CC were planning on forcing through a McHale (or Salthill, I suppose) final but remedial work meant the Hyde was again available. In 2013 the CC decided the Hyde could no longer host Connacht finals in its current state. Some talk of another health and safety review but exactly why it was ok in 2012 and not in 2013 hasn't really been satisfactorily explained.
Either way it's Sallthill or a home game for Mayo that are Sligo's choices. Salthill would be a brave old trip from north Sligo..
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 21, 2015, 02:10:33 PM
I'm intrigued by how these finals venues are determined - anyone care to elaborate?
If it was to be neutral would they not go to Hyde park? Salthill is a disaster to get to.
Up until the recent Slattery report which reduced the capacity of all GAA grounds in Connacht due to health and safety concerns only McHale Park , Pearse Park and Hyde park had the necessary capacity required by the Connacht Council for the Connacht final. Therefore Mayo , Galway and Ross have home and away agreements for all Connacht finals.Sligo and Leitrim not having home gorunds big enough to hold Connacht finals they are always entitled to a neutral venue if they meet Mayo , Galway or Ros in a Connacht final. Generally when Mayo met Leitrim or Sligo in a Connacht final it was in the Hyde as it was more convienient for the counties than Salthill. With the Hyde out of action till 2016 because of the Slattery report Sligo are entitled to a neutral gorund under the agreement ( which is only fair in my view) so the only neutral ground aavailable is Salthill.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 21, 2015, 01:11:26 PM
Terrible result for Roscommon. They've no hope as regards the AI Series and winning a Connacht Championship would have a real boost for the county.
I said at the start of the season Evans had stayed too long with this team and I think last night justifies that opinion.
Fair play to Sligo though- fantastic result. But they've got to back it up in the final. Otherwise it's just a flash in the pan.
Spot on about Evans Indy.
More luck to Sligo for taking their chance but there's no way to deny that Roscommon choked like few teams have choked before. I was reared on Mayo teams choking so I can recognise the symptoms.
I was alternating between the Sky and Newstalk coverage but neither set of analysts - and fair play to everyone calling out McGuinness for not having bothered to do any homework on Sligo - spared Roscommon for lack of effort. It's the manager's job to prepare a team for games and Roscommon no more knew there were playing Senior Championship yesterday than a cow knows there's no need to pack an overnight bag for a day trip to Ballyhaunis.
Some of the Rossies, with whom I sympathise today, because I know fully how let down they feel today, are hinting about men in the know saying this player wouldn't start or that player wouldn't start. I wouldn't know anything about that, but I don't think Roscommon were playing for Evans yesterday. Other than Cregg and Shine, they weren't trying a leg, some much worse than others.
James Horan has his critics for being stubborn but you're either boss or you're not. Horan never doubted himself for dropping Conor Mortimer in 2012, and he never looked back from either, even though an obvious replacement wasn't at hand. People either buy into a manager or they don't. If this Roscommon team buys into Evans, I'll eat my hat.
Mike Quirke is making a living lately talking up Evans as some sort of footballing horse-whisperer these days. I'll be interested to see him talk this one away. If I were the Rossies, I'd run Evans out of town.
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As I said before the game it was nicely set up for a Sligo win and well done them on their first big Connacht championship win since I think against Galway in Salthill three years ago. Roscommon were very poor on day both on and off the field however as poor as they were if a few breaks had went their way they would have pulled off a result which should be concern for Sligo before facing a seasoned and experienced Mayo side. Sligo are entitled to neutral venue for the final so it's looking like a second trip to Salthill this summer for Mayo.
How was it setup for Sligo? That's a baffling statement about a team at the foot of Div 3.
Playing at home had come into good form towards the end of league, underdogs written off by most and Sligo have championship tradition over the last few decades of producing wins when not expected to. Only last year Roscommon were also division three team.
O'Cinneide's article from yesterday.
QuoteDara Ó Cinnéide: Everyone's eyes turn towards Roscommon
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Saturday, June 20, 2015By Dara Ó Cinnéide
With Kerry, Donegal and Mayo all winning last weekend and Dublin likely to do likewise next weekend, the cosy consensus is that the Big Four of last year's championship are going to have it all to themselves again this year.
Monaghan looked like they might disrupt the hierarchy somewhat but this week's setbacks may have put further distance between the Farney county and the Big Time.
In the absence of teams emerging to make the breakthrough, Roscommon have positioned themselves quite well ahead of this evening's Connacht SFC semi-final tussle with Sligo in Markievicz Park.
They have been ticking a lot of the boxes that would signify progress in recent times.
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They've secured promotion to Division 1 of the National Football league for 2016, won three of the last four Connacht U21 championships and provided some of the better performers in Sigerson Cup football. There was also a mini-breakthrough at colleges level with Roscommon CBS playing in the Hogan Cup final earlier this year.
In advance of joining the big boys in Division 1 next year, the next logical progression would be a Connacht senior title.
On the face of it, they should earn their chance by overcoming Sligo this evening. Having played eight games in total to get out to Division 1 and having seen off London a month ago, they are surely eager to get a crack at Mayo.
However, it was Roscommon manager, John Evans, who made the point less than a year ago that there is a huge difference between a team finding their feet during the league and a team finding their confidence during the championship. It might be a statement of the manifestly obvious but there is a lot of truth in there.
This Roscommon team, although promoted, have yet to put a good run of form together this year. In the league, a good win away against Down was followed by a bad loss away to Laois, and then a good win at home against Meath was followed by a defeat to Galway which saw them blow a seven-point half time to lose by four in the Hyde. That reversal left them depending on other results own heading into the last round.
It is one thing to be up and down from game to game within a league series but even during their seventy minutes against London last month, Roscommon baffled some of their following in Ruislip by controlling the game from start to finish without snuffing out the minnows' challenge when the chances presented themselves.
Even going back to their championship campaign last year, Roscommon appeared well equipped to progress beyond round 3 of the qualifiers when pitted in Hyde Park against an Armagh team whom they had passed on their way up from Division 3 to 2. In the end they got suckered by some of the oldest defensive tricks in the book, and long before the game had ended as a contest they were reduced to trying potshots from way too far out.
At the time, John Evans saw the championship defeats to Mayo and Armagh as evidence of an inability to put old heads on young shoulders.
So what difference has the extra year made?
If all indications are correct, Evans appears to be putting more faith in younger players such as the Murtaghs and the Smiths. These players can now be expected to find solutions to the swarming and crowding that they may have struggled with twelve months ago. Seeing Enda Smith forcing turnovers out the field against London last month hints also at Liam Kearns' influence as forwards coach. Having forwards of the calibre that Roscommon do is pointless unless you can get them to work. That willingness to put in the unglamorous shifts appears to be the major difference between this year and last. The Smiths, the Murtaghs and even Senan Kilbride, an old dog acquiring new tricks, all appear to have accepted the need for tackling high up the field.
The changes have been happening off the field too. From a position of owing €1.5 million at the height of the Celtic Tiger era ten years ago, Roscommon GAA reached a huge milestone last spring as the County Committee, having overseen the transfer of ownership of the county grounds from Dr Hyde Park Committee and Roscommon Gaels, now have the opportunity to begin the planning and development process that will result in a greatly improved Dr Hyde Park by 2017.
The signing of a new three-year, six-figure sponsorship deal with former player, Tom Hunt, late last year, the development of the brand Club Rossie and even the new jersey, which takes inspiration from the great Roscommon team of the late 70's and early 80's, have all given the sense of a rising tide lifting all boats.
But Sligo are the one team in Connacht who have always won the games they're expected to lose and lost the games they should have won. Wouldn't it be just like them to spoil the buzz and pull off the big guerrilla coup of the Connacht Championship this year?
Languishing in the strange netherworld of mid-Division 3 has kept Sligo distinctly low key all year. The bizarre thing about them is that they were the top scorers in all four divisions of this year's Allianz Football League! Those figures may well be skewed by the 2-26 they posted against Louth and the 1-19 they kicked against Armagh in their last competitive game in early April but the fact that they came at this evening's venue tells us that regardless of the opposition, these Sligo boys know where the posts are on their home patch.
Other spring signs to worry the Primrose County?
Sligo may have lost their first three games in the league but they won three of their last four and three of their four defeats were by a margin of two points or less.
Even though the eleven-week break is hardly ideal, the squad can take a lot of nourishment from their league run, not least the introduction of as many as six new players, four of whom - Cian Breheny, Daniel Maye, Eoin Flanagan and half-forward Criostóir Davey – make the starting fifteen this evening.
The match-ups should be interesting but in reality, in order to prevail Sligo will need vintage performances from the old stagers, Ross Donovan, Mark Breheny, David Kelly and Adrian Marren.
As good and all as the four Sligo veterans are, I doubt John Evans would swap any of them for Seán McDermott, Cathal Cregg, Diarmuid or Ciarán Murtagh.
Roscommon might have to wait for next year's league campaign to see exactly what these lads are made of, and to find out precisely where they stand in relation to the top teams.
But they should have enough this evening to earn a crack at wrestling the Nestor Cup away from Mayo in a month's time.
I think the bolded bit is a bit disrespectful if I'm honest. What have the Murtaghs done at senior level yet? McDermott is a good defender but I don't think he's as good as Donovan, I'd go as far to say that Donovan has been the best corner back in Connacht by a good distance after Keith Higgins in the past 7/8 years. Marren and Breheny would be easy choices for me over Cregg as well.
Sligo have beaten Galway in 2007, 2010 and 2012. They beat Mayo in 2010. We very nearly had Kerry in 2009 in their own backyard as they went on the win the All Ireland.
I don't think Roscommon's record is anywhere near as impressive in that period. When was the last time they even beat Mayo or Galway in Championship football?
You could see last night the leadership the likes of Breheny, Marren, Donovan and Egan were providing.
Quote from: sligoman on June 21, 2015, 02:43:53 PM
O'Cinneide's article from yesterday.
QuoteDara Ó Cinnéide: Everyone's eyes turn towards Roscommon
222
Saturday, June 20, 2015By Dara Ó Cinnéide
With Kerry, Donegal and Mayo all winning last weekend and Dublin likely to do likewise next weekend, the cosy consensus is that the Big Four of last year's championship are going to have it all to themselves again this year.
Monaghan looked like they might disrupt the hierarchy somewhat but this week's setbacks may have put further distance between the Farney county and the Big Time.
In the absence of teams emerging to make the breakthrough, Roscommon have positioned themselves quite well ahead of this evening's Connacht SFC semi-final tussle with Sligo in Markievicz Park.
They have been ticking a lot of the boxes that would signify progress in recent times.
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READ NEXT: Terrible beauty of the qualifiers
They've secured promotion to Division 1 of the National Football league for 2016, won three of the last four Connacht U21 championships and provided some of the better performers in Sigerson Cup football. There was also a mini-breakthrough at colleges level with Roscommon CBS playing in the Hogan Cup final earlier this year.
In advance of joining the big boys in Division 1 next year, the next logical progression would be a Connacht senior title.
On the face of it, they should earn their chance by overcoming Sligo this evening. Having played eight games in total to get out to Division 1 and having seen off London a month ago, they are surely eager to get a crack at Mayo.
However, it was Roscommon manager, John Evans, who made the point less than a year ago that there is a huge difference between a team finding their feet during the league and a team finding their confidence during the championship. It might be a statement of the manifestly obvious but there is a lot of truth in there.
This Roscommon team, although promoted, have yet to put a good run of form together this year. In the league, a good win away against Down was followed by a bad loss away to Laois, and then a good win at home against Meath was followed by a defeat to Galway which saw them blow a seven-point half time to lose by four in the Hyde. That reversal left them depending on other results own heading into the last round.
It is one thing to be up and down from game to game within a league series but even during their seventy minutes against London last month, Roscommon baffled some of their following in Ruislip by controlling the game from start to finish without snuffing out the minnows' challenge when the chances presented themselves.
Even going back to their championship campaign last year, Roscommon appeared well equipped to progress beyond round 3 of the qualifiers when pitted in Hyde Park against an Armagh team whom they had passed on their way up from Division 3 to 2. In the end they got suckered by some of the oldest defensive tricks in the book, and long before the game had ended as a contest they were reduced to trying potshots from way too far out.
At the time, John Evans saw the championship defeats to Mayo and Armagh as evidence of an inability to put old heads on young shoulders.
So what difference has the extra year made?
If all indications are correct, Evans appears to be putting more faith in younger players such as the Murtaghs and the Smiths. These players can now be expected to find solutions to the swarming and crowding that they may have struggled with twelve months ago. Seeing Enda Smith forcing turnovers out the field against London last month hints also at Liam Kearns' influence as forwards coach. Having forwards of the calibre that Roscommon do is pointless unless you can get them to work. That willingness to put in the unglamorous shifts appears to be the major difference between this year and last. The Smiths, the Murtaghs and even Senan Kilbride, an old dog acquiring new tricks, all appear to have accepted the need for tackling high up the field.
The changes have been happening off the field too. From a position of owing €1.5 million at the height of the Celtic Tiger era ten years ago, Roscommon GAA reached a huge milestone last spring as the County Committee, having overseen the transfer of ownership of the county grounds from Dr Hyde Park Committee and Roscommon Gaels, now have the opportunity to begin the planning and development process that will result in a greatly improved Dr Hyde Park by 2017.
The signing of a new three-year, six-figure sponsorship deal with former player, Tom Hunt, late last year, the development of the brand Club Rossie and even the new jersey, which takes inspiration from the great Roscommon team of the late 70's and early 80's, have all given the sense of a rising tide lifting all boats.
But Sligo are the one team in Connacht who have always won the games they're expected to lose and lost the games they should have won. Wouldn't it be just like them to spoil the buzz and pull off the big guerrilla coup of the Connacht Championship this year?
Languishing in the strange netherworld of mid-Division 3 has kept Sligo distinctly low key all year. The bizarre thing about them is that they were the top scorers in all four divisions of this year's Allianz Football League! Those figures may well be skewed by the 2-26 they posted against Louth and the 1-19 they kicked against Armagh in their last competitive game in early April but the fact that they came at this evening's venue tells us that regardless of the opposition, these Sligo boys know where the posts are on their home patch.
Other spring signs to worry the Primrose County?
Sligo may have lost their first three games in the league but they won three of their last four and three of their four defeats were by a margin of two points or less.
Even though the eleven-week break is hardly ideal, the squad can take a lot of nourishment from their league run, not least the introduction of as many as six new players, four of whom - Cian Breheny, Daniel Maye, Eoin Flanagan and half-forward Criostóir Davey – make the starting fifteen this evening.
The match-ups should be interesting but in reality, in order to prevail Sligo will need vintage performances from the old stagers, Ross Donovan, Mark Breheny, David Kelly and Adrian Marren.
As good and all as the four Sligo veterans are, I doubt John Evans would swap any of them for Seán McDermott, Cathal Cregg, Diarmuid or Ciarán Murtagh.
Roscommon might have to wait for next year's league campaign to see exactly what these lads are made of, and to find out precisely where they stand in relation to the top teams.
But they should have enough this evening to earn a crack at wrestling the Nestor Cup away from Mayo in a month's time.
I think the bolded bit is a bit disrespectful if I'm honest. What have the Murtaghs done at senior level yet? McDermott is a good defender but I don't think he's as good as Donovan, I'd go as far to say that Donovan has been the best corner back in Connacht by a good distance after Keith Higgins in the past 7/8 years. Marren and Breheny would be easy choices for me over Cregg as well.
Sligo have beaten Galway in 2007, 2010 and 2012. They beat Mayo in 2010. We very nearly had Kerry in 2009 in their own backyard as they went on the win the All Ireland.
I don't think Roscommon's record is anywhere near as impressive in that period. When was the last time they even beat Mayo or Galway in Championship football?
You could see last night the leadership the likes of Breheny, Marren, Donovan and Egan were providing.
It's PR work as much as anything else. Roscommon are married to underage football. You only ever get a couple of players of each underage team. But their senior championship record is absymal.
Evans needs a serious run through the qualifiers
Quote from: sligoman on June 21, 2015, 02:43:53 PM
O'Cinneide's article from yesterday.
QuoteDara Ó Cinnéide: Everyone's eyes turn towards Roscommon
222
Saturday, June 20, 2015By Dara Ó Cinnéide
With Kerry, Donegal and Mayo all winning last weekend and Dublin likely to do likewise next weekend, the cosy consensus is that the Big Four of last year's championship are going to have it all to themselves again this year.
Monaghan looked like they might disrupt the hierarchy somewhat but this week's setbacks may have put further distance between the Farney county and the Big Time.
In the absence of teams emerging to make the breakthrough, Roscommon have positioned themselves quite well ahead of this evening's Connacht SFC semi-final tussle with Sligo in Markievicz Park.
They have been ticking a lot of the boxes that would signify progress in recent times.
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READ NEXT: Terrible beauty of the qualifiers
They've secured promotion to Division 1 of the National Football league for 2016, won three of the last four Connacht U21 championships and provided some of the better performers in Sigerson Cup football. There was also a mini-breakthrough at colleges level with Roscommon CBS playing in the Hogan Cup final earlier this year.
In advance of joining the big boys in Division 1 next year, the next logical progression would be a Connacht senior title.
On the face of it, they should earn their chance by overcoming Sligo this evening. Having played eight games in total to get out to Division 1 and having seen off London a month ago, they are surely eager to get a crack at Mayo.
However, it was Roscommon manager, John Evans, who made the point less than a year ago that there is a huge difference between a team finding their feet during the league and a team finding their confidence during the championship. It might be a statement of the manifestly obvious but there is a lot of truth in there.
This Roscommon team, although promoted, have yet to put a good run of form together this year. In the league, a good win away against Down was followed by a bad loss away to Laois, and then a good win at home against Meath was followed by a defeat to Galway which saw them blow a seven-point half time to lose by four in the Hyde. That reversal left them depending on other results own heading into the last round.
It is one thing to be up and down from game to game within a league series but even during their seventy minutes against London last month, Roscommon baffled some of their following in Ruislip by controlling the game from start to finish without snuffing out the minnows' challenge when the chances presented themselves.
Even going back to their championship campaign last year, Roscommon appeared well equipped to progress beyond round 3 of the qualifiers when pitted in Hyde Park against an Armagh team whom they had passed on their way up from Division 3 to 2. In the end they got suckered by some of the oldest defensive tricks in the book, and long before the game had ended as a contest they were reduced to trying potshots from way too far out.
At the time, John Evans saw the championship defeats to Mayo and Armagh as evidence of an inability to put old heads on young shoulders.
So what difference has the extra year made?
If all indications are correct, Evans appears to be putting more faith in younger players such as the Murtaghs and the Smiths. These players can now be expected to find solutions to the swarming and crowding that they may have struggled with twelve months ago. Seeing Enda Smith forcing turnovers out the field against London last month hints also at Liam Kearns' influence as forwards coach. Having forwards of the calibre that Roscommon do is pointless unless you can get them to work. That willingness to put in the unglamorous shifts appears to be the major difference between this year and last. The Smiths, the Murtaghs and even Senan Kilbride, an old dog acquiring new tricks, all appear to have accepted the need for tackling high up the field.
The changes have been happening off the field too. From a position of owing €1.5 million at the height of the Celtic Tiger era ten years ago, Roscommon GAA reached a huge milestone last spring as the County Committee, having overseen the transfer of ownership of the county grounds from Dr Hyde Park Committee and Roscommon Gaels, now have the opportunity to begin the planning and development process that will result in a greatly improved Dr Hyde Park by 2017.
The signing of a new three-year, six-figure sponsorship deal with former player, Tom Hunt, late last year, the development of the brand Club Rossie and even the new jersey, which takes inspiration from the great Roscommon team of the late 70's and early 80's, have all given the sense of a rising tide lifting all boats.
But Sligo are the one team in Connacht who have always won the games they're expected to lose and lost the games they should have won. Wouldn't it be just like them to spoil the buzz and pull off the big guerrilla coup of the Connacht Championship this year?
Languishing in the strange netherworld of mid-Division 3 has kept Sligo distinctly low key all year. The bizarre thing about them is that they were the top scorers in all four divisions of this year's Allianz Football League! Those figures may well be skewed by the 2-26 they posted against Louth and the 1-19 they kicked against Armagh in their last competitive game in early April but the fact that they came at this evening's venue tells us that regardless of the opposition, these Sligo boys know where the posts are on their home patch.
Other spring signs to worry the Primrose County?
Sligo may have lost their first three games in the league but they won three of their last four and three of their four defeats were by a margin of two points or less.
Even though the eleven-week break is hardly ideal, the squad can take a lot of nourishment from their league run, not least the introduction of as many as six new players, four of whom - Cian Breheny, Daniel Maye, Eoin Flanagan and half-forward Criostóir Davey – make the starting fifteen this evening.
The match-ups should be interesting but in reality, in order to prevail Sligo will need vintage performances from the old stagers, Ross Donovan, Mark Breheny, David Kelly and Adrian Marren.
As good and all as the four Sligo veterans are, I doubt John Evans would swap any of them for Seán McDermott, Cathal Cregg, Diarmuid or Ciarán Murtagh.
Roscommon might have to wait for next year's league campaign to see exactly what these lads are made of, and to find out precisely where they stand in relation to the top teams.
But they should have enough this evening to earn a crack at wrestling the Nestor Cup away from Mayo in a month's time.
I think the bolded bit is a bit disrespectful if I'm honest. What have the Murtaghs done at senior level yet? McDermott is a good defender but I don't think he's as good as Donovan, I'd go as far to say that Donovan has been the best corner back in Connacht by a good distance after Keith Higgins in the past 7/8 years. Marren and Breheny would be easy choices for me over Cregg as well.
Sligo have beaten Galway in 2007, 2010 and 2012. They beat Mayo in 2010. We very nearly had Kerry in 2009 in their own backyard as they went on the win the All Ireland.
I don't think Roscommon's record is anywhere near as impressive in that period. When was the last time they even beat Mayo or Galway in Championship football?
You could see last night the leadership the likes of Breheny, Marren, Donovan and Egan were providing.
Think about it from our perspective - why would we be trading 20-23 year olds that have shown up well at senior for Kelly (very injury prone) or Marren? I'd agree that both are class players and maybe better than the Murtaghs or Smoth right now but will they be there in five years' time?
If Dara was talking outside of age profiles and just in some fantasy team manner, 'this player is better than that player', then yeah it's total BS. But if it wasn't and he meant the above I fully agree with him.
Quote from: Syferus on June 21, 2015, 02:56:31 PM
Quote from: sligoman on June 21, 2015, 02:43:53 PM
O'Cinneide's article from yesterday.
QuoteDara Ó Cinnéide: Everyone's eyes turn towards Roscommon
222
Saturday, June 20, 2015By Dara Ó Cinnéide
With Kerry, Donegal and Mayo all winning last weekend and Dublin likely to do likewise next weekend, the cosy consensus is that the Big Four of last year's championship are going to have it all to themselves again this year.
Monaghan looked like they might disrupt the hierarchy somewhat but this week's setbacks may have put further distance between the Farney county and the Big Time.
In the absence of teams emerging to make the breakthrough, Roscommon have positioned themselves quite well ahead of this evening's Connacht SFC semi-final tussle with Sligo in Markievicz Park.
They have been ticking a lot of the boxes that would signify progress in recent times.
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READ NEXT: Terrible beauty of the qualifiers
They've secured promotion to Division 1 of the National Football league for 2016, won three of the last four Connacht U21 championships and provided some of the better performers in Sigerson Cup football. There was also a mini-breakthrough at colleges level with Roscommon CBS playing in the Hogan Cup final earlier this year.
In advance of joining the big boys in Division 1 next year, the next logical progression would be a Connacht senior title.
On the face of it, they should earn their chance by overcoming Sligo this evening. Having played eight games in total to get out to Division 1 and having seen off London a month ago, they are surely eager to get a crack at Mayo.
However, it was Roscommon manager, John Evans, who made the point less than a year ago that there is a huge difference between a team finding their feet during the league and a team finding their confidence during the championship. It might be a statement of the manifestly obvious but there is a lot of truth in there.
This Roscommon team, although promoted, have yet to put a good run of form together this year. In the league, a good win away against Down was followed by a bad loss away to Laois, and then a good win at home against Meath was followed by a defeat to Galway which saw them blow a seven-point half time to lose by four in the Hyde. That reversal left them depending on other results own heading into the last round.
It is one thing to be up and down from game to game within a league series but even during their seventy minutes against London last month, Roscommon baffled some of their following in Ruislip by controlling the game from start to finish without snuffing out the minnows' challenge when the chances presented themselves.
Even going back to their championship campaign last year, Roscommon appeared well equipped to progress beyond round 3 of the qualifiers when pitted in Hyde Park against an Armagh team whom they had passed on their way up from Division 3 to 2. In the end they got suckered by some of the oldest defensive tricks in the book, and long before the game had ended as a contest they were reduced to trying potshots from way too far out.
At the time, John Evans saw the championship defeats to Mayo and Armagh as evidence of an inability to put old heads on young shoulders.
So what difference has the extra year made?
If all indications are correct, Evans appears to be putting more faith in younger players such as the Murtaghs and the Smiths. These players can now be expected to find solutions to the swarming and crowding that they may have struggled with twelve months ago. Seeing Enda Smith forcing turnovers out the field against London last month hints also at Liam Kearns' influence as forwards coach. Having forwards of the calibre that Roscommon do is pointless unless you can get them to work. That willingness to put in the unglamorous shifts appears to be the major difference between this year and last. The Smiths, the Murtaghs and even Senan Kilbride, an old dog acquiring new tricks, all appear to have accepted the need for tackling high up the field.
The changes have been happening off the field too. From a position of owing €1.5 million at the height of the Celtic Tiger era ten years ago, Roscommon GAA reached a huge milestone last spring as the County Committee, having overseen the transfer of ownership of the county grounds from Dr Hyde Park Committee and Roscommon Gaels, now have the opportunity to begin the planning and development process that will result in a greatly improved Dr Hyde Park by 2017.
The signing of a new three-year, six-figure sponsorship deal with former player, Tom Hunt, late last year, the development of the brand Club Rossie and even the new jersey, which takes inspiration from the great Roscommon team of the late 70's and early 80's, have all given the sense of a rising tide lifting all boats.
But Sligo are the one team in Connacht who have always won the games they're expected to lose and lost the games they should have won. Wouldn't it be just like them to spoil the buzz and pull off the big guerrilla coup of the Connacht Championship this year?
Languishing in the strange netherworld of mid-Division 3 has kept Sligo distinctly low key all year. The bizarre thing about them is that they were the top scorers in all four divisions of this year's Allianz Football League! Those figures may well be skewed by the 2-26 they posted against Louth and the 1-19 they kicked against Armagh in their last competitive game in early April but the fact that they came at this evening's venue tells us that regardless of the opposition, these Sligo boys know where the posts are on their home patch.
Other spring signs to worry the Primrose County?
Sligo may have lost their first three games in the league but they won three of their last four and three of their four defeats were by a margin of two points or less.
Even though the eleven-week break is hardly ideal, the squad can take a lot of nourishment from their league run, not least the introduction of as many as six new players, four of whom - Cian Breheny, Daniel Maye, Eoin Flanagan and half-forward Criostóir Davey – make the starting fifteen this evening.
The match-ups should be interesting but in reality, in order to prevail Sligo will need vintage performances from the old stagers, Ross Donovan, Mark Breheny, David Kelly and Adrian Marren.
As good and all as the four Sligo veterans are, I doubt John Evans would swap any of them for Seán McDermott, Cathal Cregg, Diarmuid or Ciarán Murtagh.
Roscommon might have to wait for next year's league campaign to see exactly what these lads are made of, and to find out precisely where they stand in relation to the top teams.
But they should have enough this evening to earn a crack at wrestling the Nestor Cup away from Mayo in a month's time.
I think the bolded bit is a bit disrespectful if I'm honest. What have the Murtaghs done at senior level yet? McDermott is a good defender but I don't think he's as good as Donovan, I'd go as far to say that Donovan has been the best corner back in Connacht by a good distance after Keith Higgins in the past 7/8 years. Marren and Breheny would be easy choices for me over Cregg as well.
Sligo have beaten Galway in 2007, 2010 and 2012. They beat Mayo in 2010. We very nearly had Kerry in 2009 in their own backyard as they went on the win the All Ireland.
I don't think Roscommon's record is anywhere near as impressive in that period. When was the last time they even beat Mayo or Galway in Championship football?
You could see last night the leadership the likes of Breheny, Marren, Donovan and Egan were providing.
Think about it from our perspective - why would we be trading 20-23 year olds that have shown up well at senior for Kelly (very injury prone) or Marren? I'd agree that both are class players and maybe better than the Murtaghs or Smoth right now but will they be there in five years' time?
If Dara was talking outside of age profiles and just in some fantasy team manner, 'this player is better than that player', then yeah it's total BS. But if it wasn't and he meant the above I fully agree with him.
To me it sounded like he meant the here and now, not as if Cregg and McDermott are new additions, they have been on the circuit for 10 years or so. And if he is then why is he comparing apples with oranges. Surely if he's talking about young players and their futures then he should have been comparing the likes of Murphy, Davey, Breheny, McDonnell and Flanagan who all started yesterday and are all 22 or younger.
Quote from: sligoman on June 21, 2015, 03:03:54 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 21, 2015, 02:56:31 PM
Quote from: sligoman on June 21, 2015, 02:43:53 PM
O'Cinneide's article from yesterday.
QuoteDara Ó Cinnéide: Everyone's eyes turn towards Roscommon
222
Saturday, June 20, 2015By Dara Ó Cinnéide
With Kerry, Donegal and Mayo all winning last weekend and Dublin likely to do likewise next weekend, the cosy consensus is that the Big Four of last year's championship are going to have it all to themselves again this year.
Monaghan looked like they might disrupt the hierarchy somewhat but this week's setbacks may have put further distance between the Farney county and the Big Time.
In the absence of teams emerging to make the breakthrough, Roscommon have positioned themselves quite well ahead of this evening's Connacht SFC semi-final tussle with Sligo in Markievicz Park.
They have been ticking a lot of the boxes that would signify progress in recent times.
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READ NEXT: Terrible beauty of the qualifiers
They've secured promotion to Division 1 of the National Football league for 2016, won three of the last four Connacht U21 championships and provided some of the better performers in Sigerson Cup football. There was also a mini-breakthrough at colleges level with Roscommon CBS playing in the Hogan Cup final earlier this year.
In advance of joining the big boys in Division 1 next year, the next logical progression would be a Connacht senior title.
On the face of it, they should earn their chance by overcoming Sligo this evening. Having played eight games in total to get out to Division 1 and having seen off London a month ago, they are surely eager to get a crack at Mayo.
However, it was Roscommon manager, John Evans, who made the point less than a year ago that there is a huge difference between a team finding their feet during the league and a team finding their confidence during the championship. It might be a statement of the manifestly obvious but there is a lot of truth in there.
This Roscommon team, although promoted, have yet to put a good run of form together this year. In the league, a good win away against Down was followed by a bad loss away to Laois, and then a good win at home against Meath was followed by a defeat to Galway which saw them blow a seven-point half time to lose by four in the Hyde. That reversal left them depending on other results own heading into the last round.
It is one thing to be up and down from game to game within a league series but even during their seventy minutes against London last month, Roscommon baffled some of their following in Ruislip by controlling the game from start to finish without snuffing out the minnows' challenge when the chances presented themselves.
Even going back to their championship campaign last year, Roscommon appeared well equipped to progress beyond round 3 of the qualifiers when pitted in Hyde Park against an Armagh team whom they had passed on their way up from Division 3 to 2. In the end they got suckered by some of the oldest defensive tricks in the book, and long before the game had ended as a contest they were reduced to trying potshots from way too far out.
At the time, John Evans saw the championship defeats to Mayo and Armagh as evidence of an inability to put old heads on young shoulders.
So what difference has the extra year made?
If all indications are correct, Evans appears to be putting more faith in younger players such as the Murtaghs and the Smiths. These players can now be expected to find solutions to the swarming and crowding that they may have struggled with twelve months ago. Seeing Enda Smith forcing turnovers out the field against London last month hints also at Liam Kearns' influence as forwards coach. Having forwards of the calibre that Roscommon do is pointless unless you can get them to work. That willingness to put in the unglamorous shifts appears to be the major difference between this year and last. The Smiths, the Murtaghs and even Senan Kilbride, an old dog acquiring new tricks, all appear to have accepted the need for tackling high up the field.
The changes have been happening off the field too. From a position of owing €1.5 million at the height of the Celtic Tiger era ten years ago, Roscommon GAA reached a huge milestone last spring as the County Committee, having overseen the transfer of ownership of the county grounds from Dr Hyde Park Committee and Roscommon Gaels, now have the opportunity to begin the planning and development process that will result in a greatly improved Dr Hyde Park by 2017.
The signing of a new three-year, six-figure sponsorship deal with former player, Tom Hunt, late last year, the development of the brand Club Rossie and even the new jersey, which takes inspiration from the great Roscommon team of the late 70's and early 80's, have all given the sense of a rising tide lifting all boats.
But Sligo are the one team in Connacht who have always won the games they're expected to lose and lost the games they should have won. Wouldn't it be just like them to spoil the buzz and pull off the big guerrilla coup of the Connacht Championship this year?
Languishing in the strange netherworld of mid-Division 3 has kept Sligo distinctly low key all year. The bizarre thing about them is that they were the top scorers in all four divisions of this year's Allianz Football League! Those figures may well be skewed by the 2-26 they posted against Louth and the 1-19 they kicked against Armagh in their last competitive game in early April but the fact that they came at this evening's venue tells us that regardless of the opposition, these Sligo boys know where the posts are on their home patch.
Other spring signs to worry the Primrose County?
Sligo may have lost their first three games in the league but they won three of their last four and three of their four defeats were by a margin of two points or less.
Even though the eleven-week break is hardly ideal, the squad can take a lot of nourishment from their league run, not least the introduction of as many as six new players, four of whom - Cian Breheny, Daniel Maye, Eoin Flanagan and half-forward Criostóir Davey – make the starting fifteen this evening.
The match-ups should be interesting but in reality, in order to prevail Sligo will need vintage performances from the old stagers, Ross Donovan, Mark Breheny, David Kelly and Adrian Marren.
As good and all as the four Sligo veterans are, I doubt John Evans would swap any of them for Seán McDermott, Cathal Cregg, Diarmuid or Ciarán Murtagh.
Roscommon might have to wait for next year's league campaign to see exactly what these lads are made of, and to find out precisely where they stand in relation to the top teams.
But they should have enough this evening to earn a crack at wrestling the Nestor Cup away from Mayo in a month's time.
I think the bolded bit is a bit disrespectful if I'm honest. What have the Murtaghs done at senior level yet? McDermott is a good defender but I don't think he's as good as Donovan, I'd go as far to say that Donovan has been the best corner back in Connacht by a good distance after Keith Higgins in the past 7/8 years. Marren and Breheny would be easy choices for me over Cregg as well.
Sligo have beaten Galway in 2007, 2010 and 2012. They beat Mayo in 2010. We very nearly had Kerry in 2009 in their own backyard as they went on the win the All Ireland.
I don't think Roscommon's record is anywhere near as impressive in that period. When was the last time they even beat Mayo or Galway in Championship football?
You could see last night the leadership the likes of Breheny, Marren, Donovan and Egan were providing.
Think about it from our perspective - why would we be trading 20-23 year olds that have shown up well at senior for Kelly (very injury prone) or Marren? I'd agree that both are class players and maybe better than the Murtaghs or Smoth right now but will they be there in five years' time?
If Dara was talking outside of age profiles and just in some fantasy team manner, 'this player is better than that player', then yeah it's total BS. But if it wasn't and he meant the above I fully agree with him.
To me it sounded like he meant the here and now, not as if Cregg and McDermott are new additions, they have been on the circuit for 10 years or so. And if he is then why is he comparing apples with oranges. Surely if he's talking about young players and their futures then he should have been comparing the likes of Murphy, Davey, Breheny, McDonnell and Flanagan who all started yesterday and are all 22 or younger.
The Murtaghs and Smith are massive players for us already - given Senan's total loss of form Smith might be our best forward right now. So where as your best forwards are seasoned veterans, some of our best are youngsters and that clouds his comparison more and also makes comparing the Murtaghs and the like to Sligo's young players harder to do.
Look, he probably has a limited knowledge of either team but of all the things he said that's not terribly agregious if it's what I'm assuming it to be.
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Saturday, June 20, 2015By Dara Ó Cinnéide
With Kerry, Donegal and Mayo all winning last weekend and Dublin likely to do likewise next weekend, the cosy consensus is that the Big Four of last year's championship are going to have it all to themselves again this year.
Monaghan looked like they might disrupt the hierarchy somewhat but this week's setbacks may have put further distance between the Farney county and the Big Time.
In the absence of teams emerging to make the breakthrough, Roscommon have positioned themselves quite well ahead of this evening's Connacht SFC semi-final tussle with Sligo in Markievicz Park.
They have been ticking a lot of the boxes that would signify progress in recent times.
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They've secured promotion to Division 1 of the National Football league for 2016, won three of the last four Connacht U21 championships and provided some of the better performers in Sigerson Cup football. There was also a mini-breakthrough at colleges level with Roscommon CBS playing in the Hogan Cup final earlier this year.
In advance of joining the big boys in Division 1 next year, the next logical progression would be a Connacht senior title.
On the face of it, they should earn their chance by overcoming Sligo this evening. Having played eight games in total to get out to Division 1 and having seen off London a month ago, they are surely eager to get a crack at Mayo.
However, it was Roscommon manager, John Evans, who made the point less than a year ago that there is a huge difference between a team finding their feet during the league and a team finding their confidence during the championship. It might be a statement of the manifestly obvious but there is a lot of truth in there.
This Roscommon team, although promoted, have yet to put a good run of form together this year. In the league, a good win away against Down was followed by a bad loss away to Laois, and then a good win at home against Meath was followed by a defeat to Galway which saw them blow a seven-point half time to lose by four in the Hyde. That reversal left them depending on other results own heading into the last round.
It is one thing to be up and down from game to game within a league series but even during their seventy minutes against London last month, Roscommon baffled some of their following in Ruislip by controlling the game from start to finish without snuffing out the minnows' challenge when the chances presented themselves.
Even going back to their championship campaign last year, Roscommon appeared well equipped to progress beyond round 3 of the qualifiers when pitted in Hyde Park against an Armagh team whom they had passed on their way up from Division 3 to 2. In the end they got suckered by some of the oldest defensive tricks in the book, and long before the game had ended as a contest they were reduced to trying potshots from way too far out.
At the time, John Evans saw the championship defeats to Mayo and Armagh as evidence of an inability to put old heads on young shoulders.
So what difference has the extra year made?
If all indications are correct, Evans appears to be putting more faith in younger players such as the Murtaghs and the Smiths. These players can now be expected to find solutions to the swarming and crowding that they may have struggled with twelve months ago. Seeing Enda Smith forcing turnovers out the field against London last month hints also at Liam Kearns' influence as forwards coach. Having forwards of the calibre that Roscommon do is pointless unless you can get them to work. That willingness to put in the unglamorous shifts appears to be the major difference between this year and last. The Smiths, the Murtaghs and even Senan Kilbride, an old dog acquiring new tricks, all appear to have accepted the need for tackling high up the field.
The changes have been happening off the field too. From a position of owing €1.5 million at the height of the Celtic Tiger era ten years ago, Roscommon GAA reached a huge milestone last spring as the County Committee, having overseen the transfer of ownership of the county grounds from Dr Hyde Park Committee and Roscommon Gaels, now have the opportunity to begin the planning and development process that will result in a greatly improved Dr Hyde Park by 2017.
The signing of a new three-year, six-figure sponsorship deal with former player, Tom Hunt, late last year, the development of the brand Club Rossie and even the new jersey, which takes inspiration from the great Roscommon team of the late 70's and early 80's, have all given the sense of a rising tide lifting all boats.
But Sligo are the one team in Connacht who have always won the games they're expected to lose and lost the games they should have won. Wouldn't it be just like them to spoil the buzz and pull off the big guerrilla coup of the Connacht Championship this year?
Languishing in the strange netherworld of mid-Division 3 has kept Sligo distinctly low key all year. The bizarre thing about them is that they were the top scorers in all four divisions of this year's Allianz Football League! Those figures may well be skewed by the 2-26 they posted against Louth and the 1-19 they kicked against Armagh in their last competitive game in early April but the fact that they came at this evening's venue tells us that regardless of the opposition, these Sligo boys know where the posts are on their home patch.
Other spring signs to worry the Primrose County?
Sligo may have lost their first three games in the league but they won three of their last four and three of their four defeats were by a margin of two points or less.
Even though the eleven-week break is hardly ideal, the squad can take a lot of nourishment from their league run, not least the introduction of as many as six new players, four of whom - Cian Breheny, Daniel Maye, Eoin Flanagan and half-forward Criostóir Davey – make the starting fifteen this evening.
The match-ups should be interesting but in reality, in order to prevail Sligo will need vintage performances from the old stagers, Ross Donovan, Mark Breheny, David Kelly and Adrian Marren.
As good and all as the four Sligo veterans are, I doubt John Evans would swap any of them for Seán McDermott, Cathal Cregg, Diarmuid or Ciarán Murtagh.
Roscommon might have to wait for next year's league campaign to see exactly what these lads are made of, and to find out precisely where they stand in relation to the top teams.
But they should have enough this evening to earn a crack at wrestling the Nestor Cup away from Mayo in a month's time.
I think the bolded bit is a bit disrespectful if I'm honest. What have the Murtaghs done at senior level yet? McDermott is a good defender but I don't think he's as good as Donovan, I'd go as far to say that Donovan has been the best corner back in Connacht by a good distance after Keith Higgins in the past 7/8 years. Marren and Breheny would be easy choices for me over Cregg as well.
Sligo have beaten Galway in 2007, 2010 and 2012. They beat Mayo in 2010. We very nearly had Kerry in 2009 in their own backyard as they went on the win the All Ireland.
I don't think Roscommon's record is anywhere near as impressive in that period. When was the last time they even beat Mayo or Galway in Championship football?
You could see last night the leadership the likes of Breheny, Marren, Donovan and Egan were providing.
Think about it from our perspective - why would we be trading 20-23 year olds that have shown up well at senior for Kelly (very injury prone) or Marren? I'd agree that both are class players and maybe better than the Murtaghs or Smoth right now but will they be there in five years' time?
If Dara was talking outside of age profiles and just in some fantasy team manner, 'this player is better than that player', then yeah it's total BS. But if it wasn't and he meant the above I fully agree with him.
To me it sounded like he meant the here and now, not as if Cregg and McDermott are new additions, they have been on the circuit for 10 years or so. And if he is then why is he comparing apples with oranges. Surely if he's talking about young players and their futures then he should have been comparing the likes of Murphy, Davey, Breheny, McDonnell and Flanagan who all started yesterday and are all 22 or younger.
The Murtaghs and Smith are massive players for us already - given Senan's total loss of form Smith might be our best forward right now. So where as your best forwards are seasoned veterans, some of our best are youngsters and that clouds his comparison more and also makes comparing the Murtaghs and the like to Sligo's young players harder to do.
Look, he probably has a limited knowledge of either team but of all the things he said that's not terribly agregious if it what I'm assuming it to be.
Enda Smith certainly looks a player but I'm not sold on the Murtaghs yet although they are young.
Anyone else thought Roscommon looked like they were over trained? They appeared to be so leggy, and from the start Kilbride and Diarmuid Murtagh didn't seem right.
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I thought mcguinness was disrespectful before the games towards us, this is all about roscommon etc. he did analyse the game very well but all cared before the game was where roscommon were at.
Thanks Lar he was delighted and hope your keeping well, now how do we stop Mayo and aidan o shea
Very disrespectful. Completely dismissive of Sligo beforehand. All Sligo had to do was pipe in Mc Guinness pre-game for motivation.
Had to do a serious U Turn at the end of the game.
Hopefully Mc Guinness will have analysis on both teams the next day out.
Indiana what was McGuinness at before the game do you reckon? He was so disrespectful when asked about us, he wouldn't even mention us, "it's all about Roscommon today and where they're at" I was taken aback, totally dismissive, fair play to Senan Connell though, he is enthusiasm for us was a delight to see, mcguinness did change his tune though after and gave a good analysis and canavan analysis is top class too tbf
He had no homework done on you at all. When he was asked about individual players he turned the conversation straight around to Roscommon whose names he could reel off. He's well known of being dismissive towards lower end sides. He figured it would be a turkey shoot.
He'd never take a job at a lower county where he'd have to get his hands dirty. Canavan to me is a really good analyst. But he's not as pretty as Jim so he tends to be on the camera less. Pity because the more you listen to him the more you realise Tyrone need him in charge of their senior team.
Yeah, Donegal were in a great place when he took them over. Stop talking shite Indiana.
He didn't develop any of those players. they were already there!
Ah Indiana I know you have an ingrained hatred of McGuinness but you're way off base there!!
Don't forget he developed plenty from the U21 team before he took the Senior job!!
Eamonn O Hara @EamonnOHara8
What's blue and yellow and goes "beep beep beep" every July ?........
The Roscommon bus reversing into its garage for yet another year!🙈
11:38 PM - 20 Jun 2015
Dont Hold Back Eamonn lol!!
Congrats to Sligo. On the 150th anniversary of Yeats, they didn't lack for any conviction and were full of passionate intensity. It was a depressing and devastating defeat for us and like the U21 game you could see defeat hanging over us like a cloud once we went a few points down. We were just not right from the start. With our backs it was a case of to quote Yeats again: things fell apart, the center could not hold.
Our full back line got roasted while their backs had our forwards well marshaled with only Enda Smith and Cathal Cregg coming out of that match with any credit, while Donie Smith should have started as Kilbride and Diarmuid Murtagh were carrying injuries and off form. Sligo scored some excellent points and Brehony does not get the recognition he deserves - great player. Not to take from Sligo's win but I looked at a replay of Murtagh's disallowed point and unless I need to go to specsavers it was inside the post plus I thought the penalty was very soft. But Sligo were not flattered by a 4 point win. The best team by far won and I wish Sligo the very best of luck in Connacht Final. For those in the media and elsewhere having a good laugh at John Evan's All-Ireland comment - he did for the record say Roscommon should be challenging for All-Irelands in 3 years. It was a foolish thing to say as it heaped pressure on team and allowed for commentators to say: "The Ros are talking about All-Irelands". But I wouldn't dance on his grave just yet. When a few lads like Higgins, Harney and Conor Daly get back to fitness, we'll be the better for it.
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Eamonn O Hara @EamonnOHara8
What's blue and yellow and goes "beep beep beep" every July ?........
The Roscommon bus reversing into its garage for yet another year!🙈
11:38 PM - 20 Jun 2015
Dont Hold Back Eamonn lol!!
That tweet comes across as very childish i presume given the time of it he had consumed some drink?
Good win for Sligo against the odds they probably fancied their chances since the draw was made. Roscommon were way off the pace yesterday even in defeat against Armagh last year they looked more tuned in.
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Eamonn O Hara @EamonnOHara8
What's blue and yellow and goes "beep beep beep" every July ?........
The Roscommon bus reversing into its garage for yet another year!🙈
11:38 PM - 20 Jun 2015
Dont Hold Back Eamonn lol!!
That tweet comes across as very childish i presume given the time of it he had consumed some drink?
Good win for Sligo against the odds they probably fancied their chances since the draw was made. Roscommon were way off the pace yesterday even in defeat against Armagh last year they looked more tuned in.
He was managing Ballasgh today so I hope not.
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Eamonn O Hara @EamonnOHara8
What's blue and yellow and goes "beep beep beep" every July ?........
The Roscommon bus reversing into its garage for yet another year!🙈
11:38 PM - 20 Jun 2015
Dont Hold Back Eamonn lol!!
That tweet comes across as very childish i presume given the time of it he had consumed some drink?
Good win for Sligo against the odds they probably fancied their chances since the draw was made. Roscommon were way off the pace yesterday even in defeat against Armagh last year they looked more tuned in.
He was managing Ballasgh today so I hope not.
And drinks pints of milk I was told!
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Eamonn O Hara @EamonnOHara8
What's blue and yellow and goes "beep beep beep" every July ?........
The Roscommon bus reversing into its garage for yet another year!🙈
11:38 PM - 20 Jun 2015
Dont Hold Back Eamonn lol!!
That tweet comes across as very childish i presume given the time of it he had consumed some drink?
Good win for Sligo against the odds they probably fancied their chances since the draw was made. Roscommon were way off the pace yesterday even in defeat against Armagh last year they looked more tuned in.
He was managing Ballasgh today so I hope not.
And drinks pints of milk I was told!
Yup.
O'Hara is a teetotaller.
Spends all his money on fake tan and fancy suits
Whatever we all think of our lads and/or management they were all together in the Hyde early enough this morning so we're obviously "regrouping for the Qualifiers" already.
Those of us who were at all the League games saw us deliver plenty of sh1te stuff with occasional bursts of good football (Down/Kildare/Westmeath) and silliness from opposition ( Paddy O'Rourke) which somehow got us promoted.
Most of the realists among us would have been happy with avoiding relegation and beating Sligo.
Our lack of defenders who actually know how to defend came home to roost yesterday. Also the old failings of people standing around looking at the man with the ball trying the oul' Junior head down solo try to run through 5 men was much in vogue. Whatever happened to the standard run in to space to give the man with the ball an option?
Our much maligned midfield were ok yesterday ( major concern for Sligo here??) thankfully or we'd have leaked a hurling score.
Another concern for Sligo perhaps is that only for a wrongly disallowed point and a questionable penalty it could have ended 14 each. That would have been some travesty !
We have two defenders - Collins and Murray and one of them doesn't even get picked to start or come off the bench.
As for O'Hara - why would he stop being an objectionable bolx now? >:(
Let this be a lesson for you Rossfan.
This is what happens when you make smart comments about Meath football.
How long has Evans been in charge now? 3 years I think someone said with very little achieved in the championsip. I wonder will the Ross board give him the boot if the qualifiers are a disaster. I see also McStay was defending Cake there as well on Sunday game. With all the talent supposedly in Ross perhaps he could be manoeuvring for the position.
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How long has Evans been in charge now? 3 years I think someone said with very little achieved in the championsip. I wonder will the Ross board give him the boot if the qualifiers are a disaster. I see also McStay was defending Cake there as well on Sunday game. With all the talent supposedly in Ross perhaps he could be manoeuvring for the position.
Cake was having a pop at Evans on the radio earlier apparently. Maybe a McStay / Curran dream team?
http://www.balls.ie/gaa/shane-curran-delivers-harsh-criticism-of-roscommon-management-after-loss-to-sligo/297933
Cake is a bluffer of the highest order, coggins was dead right. I'd say cake should think before he talks but I think I'd be asking for too much
Really enjoyed this.
Savage performance by Sligo and imo that should be the focus. They were much better than Ros and could have won by more. On yesterday's showing they probably have more quality in their team than Ros. Their ff line and fb lines were better for starters.
I was half expecting something but couldn t have imagined that Sligo would be that good.
On the way in an older Sligo fan was asked by another if he was confident. He said 'very'. He looked like he knew his onions and wasn't spoofing. I thought we might be on to something here.
A friend of mine thought Ros needed to put down a few markers. But who was going to do that? McDermott had his hands full. Senan looked like a guy that took the Leaving Cert honours maths paper by mistake. Cregg was doing fine in fairness. Smyth was busy too. The rest are mostly kids.
Sligo had dash and leaders in the forwards. Kelly, Brehony and Marren are pure quality. Pat Hughes did a lot of good stuff too. Donavan was as good as I ve seen him and the Castleconnor fb - O Donnell - was not fazed by Kilbride.
I see David Brady had a pop at Cake and Ros too. All these ex county lads on "the Twitter" could make an interesting sideshow to the championship. No doubt when Sligo and Mayo fall flat on their faces the social media knifes will sharpen on the banks of the Suck.
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I see David Brady had a pop at Cake and Ros too. All these ex county lads on "the Twitter" could make an interesting sideshow to the championship. No doubt when Sligo and Mayo fall flat on their faces the social media knifes will sharpen on the banks of the Suck.
Where did that come from? No need for that attitude I think.
Ros did not fall flat on their faces yesterday. They were beaten by a much better team on the day. A team that would beat them most of the time on those displays. Not like Ros didn t show up. They were aware of Sligo s form early and often and responded as best they could. But they weren t good enough.
Edit; Just had a look at Brady's tweet. A bit of a go at McStay's noble attempt to take the harm out of Cake's go at London. You need to chill a bit.
The most rampant critic I ve heard of Roscommon's performance yesterday has been the bould Cake himself. Saying Joneen needs to go on the radio. How about that.
Watching Sligo reminded me of Kildare circa 2009. Strong running game out of defence, 2-2-2 up front, plenty in to out movement with diagonal balls into the corners. Not sure why we didn't persist with it, played 6 championship games averaging 1-16 a game, including 18 points from play against Dublin in the Leinster final, had Tyrone on the ropes in the AI quarter-final as well but they closed us and the game out.
Would be worried about the patient hand-passing out of defence against Mayo, Mayo are quite a physical team and like any of the top 4 once the ball is turned over their transition to attack is rapid and they will punish Sligo.
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I see David Brady had a pop at Cake and Ros too. All these ex county lads on "the Twitter" could make an interesting sideshow to the championship. No doubt when Sligo and Mayo fall flat on their faces the social media knifes will sharpen on the banks of the Suck.
Where did that come from? No need for that attitude I think.
Ros did not fall flat on their faces yesterday. They were beaten by a much better team on the day. A team that would beat them most of the time on those displays. Not like Ros didn t show up. They were aware of Sligo s form early and often and responded as best they could. But they weren t good enough.
Edit; Just had a look at Brady's tweet. A bit of a go at McStay's noble attempt to take the harm out of Cake's go at London. You need to chill a bit.
The most rampant critic I ve heard of Roscommon's performance yesterday has been the bould Cake himself. Saying Joneen needs to go on the radio. How about that.
I know we were beaten by a better team and my post on the game lauded Sligo. This post was just pointing out that there's been a lot of ridicule leveled at Roscommon by the likes of O'Hara and Brady, and plenty on here too. Plenty of bus jokes and plenty in the media with All-Ireland jibes. Some, much of it deserved. I was only pointing out that if ex-county players are having a laugh at other counties on Twitter when they lose (aping soccer stars IMO), then it's going to be two-way traffic when other teams have a bad day, as they inevitably will. Just an observation really.
Cake's been sniping at John Evans for a good while now. Disgracefully in my opinion. The social media knives from the River Suck was obviously a reference to him being from Castlerea. With a name like Moysider, I'm surprised I have to even explain.
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I see David Brady had a pop at Cake and Ros too. All these ex county lads on "the Twitter" could make an interesting sideshow to the championship. No doubt when Sligo and Mayo fall flat on their faces the social media knifes will sharpen on the banks of the Suck.
Where did that come from? No need for that attitude I think.
Ros did not fall flat on their faces yesterday. They were beaten by a much better team on the day. A team that would beat them most of the time on those displays. Not like Ros didn t show up. They were aware of Sligo s form early and often and responded as best they could. But they weren t good enough.
Edit; Just had a look at Brady's tweet. A bit of a go at McStay's noble attempt to take the harm out of Cake's go at London. You need to chill a bit.
The most rampant critic I ve heard of Roscommon's performance yesterday has been the bould Cake himself. Saying Joneen needs to go on the radio. How about that.
I know we were beaten by a better team and my post on the game lauded Sligo. This post was just pointing out that there's been a lot of ridicule leveled at Roscommon by the likes of O'Hara and Brady, and plenty on here too. Plenty of bus jokes and plenty in the media with All-Ireland jibes. Some, much of it deserved. I was only pointing out that if ex-county players are having a laugh at other counties on Twitter when they lose (aping soccer stars IMO), then it's going to be two-way traffic when other teams have a bad day, as they inevitably will. Just an observation really.
Cake's been sniping at John Evans for a good while now. Disgracefully in my opinion.
Brady was actually having a needle at a clubman that was trying to take the sting out of Cake's ill-judged go at London. Kudos to McStay for trying to take the harm out of Cake's ráméis. Sometimes you have to be loyal but time Cake coped on. Imo McStay should have refused to engage in that discussion and fair play to him for making a a decent shot of it. such a position to be put in!
Then there was the go at Evans. Utterly disrespectful. I'm sure he ll get his chance to manage his county. I wouldn t count on him doing better tbh. Ye Roscommon lads have to admit that that there is a problem with outside managers, with Sir John at the top of the queue. But the homespun ones were struggling too. One image that sticks in my head is '99. Sheerin and Tony Mac in charge. Both legends. A bit like this year. Mayo on the down and Roscommon on the up was the general consenus. But Ros fans were streaming out with 'Cheerios' ringing about with 5 minutes to go. Only time I remember Mayo supporters do that to anybody. I think it was because of the expectations of the general media as well as the Roscommon vibe at the time in fairness. I remember Paul Earley on tv talking up the different progress of teams at the time.
I was listening to Evan's interview on newstalk while driving to the game and he seemed grounded enough. But in hindsight maybe he realised that that things had got a bit out of hand and was trying to rein it into a 50/50 game. He said all the right things but the damage was well done - and not necessarily by him.
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I see David Brady had a pop at Cake and Ros too. All these ex county lads on "the Twitter" could make an interesting sideshow to the championship. No doubt when Sligo and Mayo fall flat on their faces the social media knifes will sharpen on the banks of the Suck.
Where did that come from? No need for that attitude I think.
Ros did not fall flat on their faces yesterday. They were beaten by a much better team on the day. A team that would beat them most of the time on those displays. Not like Ros didn t show up. They were aware of Sligo s form early and often and responded as best they could. But they weren t good enough.
Edit; Just had a look at Brady's tweet. A bit of a go at McStay's noble attempt to take the harm out of Cake's go at London. You need to chill a bit.
The most rampant critic I ve heard of Roscommon's performance yesterday has been the bould Cake himself. Saying Joneen needs to go on the radio. How about that.
I know we were beaten by a better team and my post on the game lauded Sligo. This post was just pointing out that there's been a lot of ridicule leveled at Roscommon by the likes of O'Hara and Brady, and plenty on here too. Plenty of bus jokes and plenty in the media with All-Ireland jibes. Some, much of it deserved. I was only pointing out that if ex-county players are having a laugh at other counties on Twitter when they lose (aping soccer stars IMO), then it's going to be two-way traffic when other teams have a bad day, as they inevitably will. Just an observation really.
Cake's been sniping at John Evans for a good while now. Disgracefully in my opinion.
Brady was actually having a needle at a clubman that was trying to take the sting out of Cake's ill-judged go at London. Kudos to McStay for trying to take the harm out of Cake's ráméis. Sometimes you have to be loyal but time Cake coped on. Imo McStay should have refused to engage in that discussion and fair play to him for making a a decent shot of it. such a position to be put in!
Then there was the go at Evans. Utterly disrespectful. I'm sure he ll get his chance to manage his county. I wouldn t count on him doing better tbh. Ye Roscommon lads have to admit that that there is a problem with outside managers, with Sir John at the top of the queue. But the homespun ones were struggling too. One image that sticks in my head is '99. Sheerin and Tony Mac in charge. Both legends. A bit like this year. Mayo on the down and Roscommon on the up was the general consenus. But Ros fans were streaming out with 'Cheerios' ringing about with 5 minutes to go. Only time I remember Mayo supporters do that to anybody. I think it was because of the expectations of the general media as well as the Roscommon vibe at the time in fairness. I remember Paul Earley on tv talking up the different progress of teams at the time.
I was listening to Evan's interview on newstalk while driving to the game and he seemed grounded enough. But in hindsight maybe he realised that that things had got a bit out of hand and was trying to rein it into a 50/50 game. He said all the right things but the damage was well done - and not necessarily by him.
I don't think anyone in the county thinks Cake 'will get his chance to manage the county'. Maybe Cake will turn out to be a brilliant manager (he's managing Pearses, one of the bigger and better clubs in the county) but there's a long list of people more quailified than him. The age where being a good senior player gets you the top job is long over. He'll have to fight tooth and nail even to get on the underage management teams, teams that are usually manned by the best coaches rather than the best ex-players.
The whole AI thing is just noise. That had no effect on what happened and contending for AIs is what the ambition of any team that's in Division 1 should be. We lost because we were shite on the day. People trying to find rhyme or reason to it only need to look at our series of performances and non-performances over the entire year, even in the FBD the signs were there with our belly flop against NUIG.
We haven't been able to become consistent and it cost us big time on Saturday evening.
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I see David Brady had a pop at Cake and Ros too. All these ex county lads on "the Twitter" could make an interesting sideshow to the championship. No doubt when Sligo and Mayo fall flat on their faces the social media knifes will sharpen on the banks of the Suck.
Where did that come from? No need for that attitude I think.
Ros did not fall flat on their faces yesterday. They were beaten by a much better team on the day. A team that would beat them most of the time on those displays. Not like Ros didn t show up. They were aware of Sligo s form early and often and responded as best they could. But they weren t good enough.
Edit; Just had a look at Brady's tweet. A bit of a go at McStay's noble attempt to take the harm out of Cake's go at London. You need to chill a bit.
The most rampant critic I ve heard of Roscommon's performance yesterday has been the bould Cake himself. Saying Joneen needs to go on the radio. How about that.
I know we were beaten by a better team and my post on the game lauded Sligo. This post was just pointing out that there's been a lot of ridicule leveled at Roscommon by the likes of O'Hara and Brady, and plenty on here too. Plenty of bus jokes and plenty in the media with All-Ireland jibes. Some, much of it deserved. I was only pointing out that if ex-county players are having a laugh at other counties on Twitter when they lose (aping soccer stars IMO), then it's going to be two-way traffic when other teams have a bad day, as they inevitably will. Just an observation really.
Cake's been sniping at John Evans for a good while now. Disgracefully in my opinion.
Brady was actually having a needle at a clubman that was trying to take the sting out of Cake's ill-judged go at London. Kudos to McStay for trying to take the harm out of Cake's ráméis. Sometimes you have to be loyal but time Cake coped on. Imo McStay should have refused to engage in that discussion and fair play to him for making a a decent shot of it. such a position to be put in!
Then there was the go at Evans. Utterly disrespectful. I'm sure he ll get his chance to manage his county. I wouldn t count on him doing better tbh. Ye Roscommon lads have to admit that that there is a problem with outside managers, with Sir John at the top of the queue. But the homespun ones were struggling too. One image that sticks in my head is '99. Sheerin and Tony Mac in charge. Both legends. A bit like this year. Mayo on the down and Roscommon on the up was the general consenus. But Ros fans were streaming out with 'Cheerios' ringing about with 5 minutes to go. Only time I remember Mayo supporters do that to anybody. I think it was because of the expectations of the general media as well as the Roscommon vibe at the time in fairness. I remember Paul Earley on tv talking up the different progress of teams at the time.
I was listening to Evan's interview on newstalk while driving to the game and he seemed grounded enough. But in hindsight maybe he realised that that things had got a bit out of hand and was trying to rein it into a 50/50 game. He said all the right things but the damage was well done - and not necessarily by him.
I don't think anyone in the county thinks Cake 'will get his chance to manage the county'. Maybe Cake will turn out to be a brilliant manager (he's managing Pearses, one of the bigger and better clubs in the county) but there's a long list of people more quailified than him. The age where being a good senior player gets you the top job is long over. He'll have to fight tooth and nail even to get on the underage management teams, teams that are usually manned by the best coaches rather than the best ex-players.
The whole AI thing is just noise. That had no effect on what happened and contending for AIs is what the ambition of any team that's in Division 1 should be. We lost because we were shite on the day. People trying to find rhyme or reason to it only need to look at our series of performances and non-performances over the entire year, even in the FBD the signs were there with our belly flop against NUIG.
We haven't been able to become consistent and it cost us big time on Saturday evening.
Can't see that tbh.
Why would ye be 'shite on the day'? Maybe ye were as good as ye were let?
The Championship is all about hitting it on the day. Why would Roscommon be shite on the day? How could that happen? Sligo have been been a good championship team for years. They ve beaten Mayo and Galway as well a few times.
Ros have put in a bigger dig at underage than Sligo but that means damn all in senior championship. Ros got promoted but Sligo had a very good finish to the league against serious teams.
Evans made a great point before the game about the expectations about Roscommon. That he d prefer that they'd arrived as a serious team before being bigged up as a big-shot contender. I was listening to this and I was impressed. I suspect he saw a train coming. But he probably hoped they would get out of it. But as regards quality Sligo are as good as Roscommon.
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I see David Brady had a pop at Cake and Ros too. All these ex county lads on "the Twitter" could make an interesting sideshow to the championship. No doubt when Sligo and Mayo fall flat on their faces the social media knifes will sharpen on the banks of the Suck.
Where did that come from? No need for that attitude I think.
Ros did not fall flat on their faces yesterday. They were beaten by a much better team on the day. A team that would beat them most of the time on those displays. Not like Ros didn t show up. They were aware of Sligo s form early and often and responded as best they could. But they weren t good enough.
Edit; Just had a look at Brady's tweet. A bit of a go at McStay's noble attempt to take the harm out of Cake's go at London. You need to chill a bit.
The most rampant critic I ve heard of Roscommon's performance yesterday has been the bould Cake himself. Saying Joneen needs to go on the radio. How about that.
I know we were beaten by a better team and my post on the game lauded Sligo. This post was just pointing out that there's been a lot of ridicule leveled at Roscommon by the likes of O'Hara and Brady, and plenty on here too. Plenty of bus jokes and plenty in the media with All-Ireland jibes. Some, much of it deserved. I was only pointing out that if ex-county players are having a laugh at other counties on Twitter when they lose (aping soccer stars IMO), then it's going to be two-way traffic when other teams have a bad day, as they inevitably will. Just an observation really.
Cake's been sniping at John Evans for a good while now. Disgracefully in my opinion.
Brady was actually having a needle at a clubman that was trying to take the sting out of Cake's ill-judged go at London. Kudos to McStay for trying to take the harm out of Cake's ráméis. Sometimes you have to be loyal but time Cake coped on. Imo McStay should have refused to engage in that discussion and fair play to him for making a a decent shot of it. such a position to be put in!
Then there was the go at Evans. Utterly disrespectful. I'm sure he ll get his chance to manage his county. I wouldn t count on him doing better tbh. Ye Roscommon lads have to admit that that there is a problem with outside managers, with Sir John at the top of the queue. But the homespun ones were struggling too. One image that sticks in my head is '99. Sheerin and Tony Mac in charge. Both legends. A bit like this year. Mayo on the down and Roscommon on the up was the general consenus. But Ros fans were streaming out with 'Cheerios' ringing about with 5 minutes to go. Only time I remember Mayo supporters do that to anybody. I think it was because of the expectations of the general media as well as the Roscommon vibe at the time in fairness. I remember Paul Earley on tv talking up the different progress of teams at the time.
I was listening to Evan's interview on newstalk while driving to the game and he seemed grounded enough. But in hindsight maybe he realised that that things had got a bit out of hand and was trying to rein it into a 50/50 game. He said all the right things but the damage was well done - and not necessarily by him.
I don't think anyone in the county thinks Cake 'will get his chance to manage the county'. Maybe Cake will turn out to be a brilliant manager (he's managing Pearses, one of the bigger and better clubs in the county) but there's a long list of people more quailified than him. The age where being a good senior player gets you the top job is long over. He'll have to fight tooth and nail even to get on the underage management teams, teams that are usually manned by the best coaches rather than the best ex-players.
The whole AI thing is just noise. That had no effect on what happened and contending for AIs is what the ambition of any team that's in Division 1 should be. We lost because we were shite on the day. People trying to find rhyme or reason to it only need to look at our series of performances and non-performances over the entire year, even in the FBD the signs were there with our belly flop against NUIG.
We haven't been able to become consistent and it cost us big time on Saturday evening.
Can't see that tbh.
Why would ye be 'shite on the day'? Maybe ye were as good as ye were let?
The Championship is all about hitting it on the day. Why would Roscommon be shite on the day? How could that happen? Sligo have been been a good championship team for years. They ve beaten Mayo and Galway as well a few times.
Ros have put in a bigger dig at underage than Sligo but that means damn all in senior championship. Ros got promoted but Sligo had a very good finish to the league against serious teams.
Evans made a great point before the game about the expectations about Roscommon. That he d prefer that they'd arrived as a serious team before being bigged up as a big-shot contender. I was listening to this and I was impressed. I suspect he saw a train coming. But he probably hoped they would get out of it. But as regards quality Sligo are as good as Roscommon.
Sligo played well but they weren't making us kick wild ball directly to them and yards off their intended targets or make us break ball loose from Sligo players and then fail to hoover it up. It was a shite performance by us regardless of what the opposition did. It wouldn't have beaten many teams.
When all the deserved back-slapping is done, is it not the case that Roscommon had a woeful day when it came to shooting?
And we're not talking about hail mary shots that shouldn't have been taken on, it was the likes of Kildbride's miss at the near post in the first half and the free that hit the post on the near side in the second.
Had Roscommon taken what they ought to have taken I think there'd be a much different conversation.
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League and championship are two different animals. Roscommon were beaten by their own arrogance which they have too much off. Manager talking about winning all Ireland's, what an idiot. Yer approach was insulting to your opponents who answered ye by kicking your arses.
Your usual garbage. We did not lose because weren't focused on Sligo - the players and the county definitely were. Kind of hope we get Cavan tomorrow's because of your ill-tempered shite.
Well there you go
Quote from: Esmarelda on June 22, 2015, 09:20:20 AM
When all the deserved back-slapping is done, is it not the case that Roscommon had a woeful day when it came to shooting?
And we're not talking about hail mary shots that shouldn't have been taken on, it was the likes of Kildbride's miss at the near post in the first half and the free that hit the post on the near side in the second.
Had Roscommon taken what they ought to have taken I think there'd be a much different conversation.
Also the goal chance that Roscommon missed was chronic - one of those ones where even watching the replays you still expect it to be a goal.
Roscommon turned in something around the order of about a 0/1/2 out of 10 performance. There's a world of difference in getting a win over a side who do that compared to getting a win over a side who turn in a 4/5/6 our of 10 performance.
Now Sligo worked hard and took their chances and put Rossies under reasonable pressure but I wouldnt be a bit surprised if Mayo ended up eating Sligo without salt in the final.
Quote from: Esmarelda on June 22, 2015, 09:20:20 AM
When all the deserved back-slapping is done, is it not the case that Roscommon had a woeful day when it came to shooting?
And we're not talking about hail mary shots that shouldn't have been taken on, it was the likes of Kildbride's miss at the near post in the first half and the free that hit the post on the near side in the second.
Had Roscommon taken what they ought to have taken I think there'd be a much different conversation.
The very worrying thing for Roscommon is that they lost by 4 points despite dominating the middle of the pitch, Sligo had to revert to short kickouts in the second half which can be very attritional running the ball out from the back like that so often and any time it went long we inevitably lost the ball. There was a huge difference in the inside lines of both sides, I think that is simply down to use having better players there despite the much vaunted Roscommon "stars".
Roscommon had the look of a team that had the legs run off them all week.
I know it's unlikely that happened but I can't figure out why they were so flat and listless.
Kilbride looked like he was trying to run in treacle.
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Roscommon had the look of a team that had the legs run off them all week.
I know it's unlikely that happened but I can't figure out why they were so flat and listless.
Kilbride looked like he was trying to run in treacle.
Would agree a listless performance from Roscommon and you don't win many games playing as poorly as that.
From what I've seen of Kilbride, he is one of those winter footballers that can look very good when the ground is soft and mushy and games are flat but when it firms up and the intensity rises up he looks nowhere near up to it. He must be around the 30 mark as well now and I know he took a few years out of the county scene but he has never done it at Championship level.
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League and championship are two different animals. Roscommon were beaten by their own arrogance which they have too much off. Manager talking about winning all Ireland's, what an idiot. Yer approach was insulting to your opponents who answered ye by kicking your arses.
Your usual garbage. We did not lose because weren't focused on Sligo - the players and the county definitely were. Kind of hope we get Cavan tomorrow's because of your ill-tempered shite.
Well there you go
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Quote from: Esmarelda on June 22, 2015, 09:20:20 AM
When all the deserved back-slapping is done, is it not the case that Roscommon had a woeful day when it came to shooting?
And we're not talking about hail mary shots that shouldn't have been taken on, it was the likes of Kildbride's miss at the near post in the first half and the free that hit the post on the near side in the second.
Had Roscommon taken what they ought to have taken I think there'd be a much different conversation.
The very worrying thing for Roscommon is that they lost by 4 points despite dominating the middle of the pitch, Sligo had to revert to short kickouts in the second half which can be very attritional running the ball out from the back like that so often and any time it went long we inevitably lost the ball. There was a huge difference in the inside lines of both sides, I think that is simply down to use having better players there despite the much vaunted Roscommon "stars".
Kilbride wasn't fit to start, shouldn't have played as was evident from his performance. Nor was young Diarmuid Murtagh either from what I hear. You can't really judge our forwards from that performance if they weren't near fully fit.
Seems mad starting two obviously injured inside towards in retrospect but with the other option at 14 (Donie Shine) already fully out Evans might have felt forced to start Kilbride. Obviously did not work and we'd have been better starting Enda Smith at 14 because he won some good balls and at least threatened to do something. I assume at least his brother will be starting the next day because he was to one providing Enda most of the good ball in the second half.
Quote from: The Black Mamba on June 22, 2015, 09:45:42 AM
Kilbride wasn't fit to start, shouldn't have played as was evident from his performance. Nor was young Diarmuid Murtagh either from what I hear. You can't really judge our forwards from that performance if they weren't near fully fit.
You can judge your manager on it though. Very poor. Showed no trust in his squad at all
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Quote from: Esmarelda on June 22, 2015, 09:20:20 AM
When all the deserved back-slapping is done, is it not the case that Roscommon had a woeful day when it came to shooting?
And we're not talking about hail mary shots that shouldn't have been taken on, it was the likes of Kildbride's miss at the near post in the first half and the free that hit the post on the near side in the second.
Had Roscommon taken what they ought to have taken I think there'd be a much different conversation.
The very worrying thing for Roscommon is that they lost by 4 points despite dominating the middle of the pitch, Sligo had to revert to short kickouts in the second half which can be very attritional running the ball out from the back like that so often and any time it went long we inevitably lost the ball. There was a huge difference in the inside lines of both sides, I think that is simply down to use having better players there despite the much vaunted Roscommon "stars".
Kilbride wasn't fit to start, shouldn't have played as was evident from his performance. Nor was young Diarmuid Murtagh either from what I hear. You can't really judge our forwards from that performance if they weren't near fully fit.
Maybe they weren't.
They haven't established themselves at senior level though, in Murtagh's case age would be the reason but Kilbride has never done it in the Championship. At the moment for all the talk about Roscommon, there is very little proven quality in that side, of the young players that have stepped up I would say only Smith seems to be at the level a lot of Roscommon players think these players are at. They're not for the scrap heap and have plenty of time to prove people wrong but I think it's evidently clear now that a lot of Roscommon people have overestimated their abilities.
If you didn't have any knowledge before the game and heard that one side is bringing through some of the best youngsters in the game then you'd swear it was Sligo on Saturday's showing with the performances from McDonnell and Breheny.
QuoteI see David Brady had a pop at Cake and Ros too. All these ex county lads on "the Twitter" could make an interesting sideshow to the championship. No doubt when Sligo and Mayo fall flat on their faces the social media knifes will sharpen on the banks of the Suck.
Your another one of those daft basturds that's on here now and again. Go and get yourself a pool cue.
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Quote from: Esmarelda on June 22, 2015, 09:20:20 AM
When all the deserved back-slapping is done, is it not the case that Roscommon had a woeful day when it came to shooting?
And we're not talking about hail mary shots that shouldn't have been taken on, it was the likes of Kildbride's miss at the near post in the first half and the free that hit the post on the near side in the second.
Had Roscommon taken what they ought to have taken I think there'd be a much different conversation.
The very worrying thing for Roscommon is that they lost by 4 points despite dominating the middle of the pitch, Sligo had to revert to short kickouts in the second half which can be very attritional running the ball out from the back like that so often and any time it went long we inevitably lost the ball. There was a huge difference in the inside lines of both sides, I think that is simply down to use having better players there despite the much vaunted Roscommon "stars".
Kilbride wasn't fit to start, shouldn't have played as was evident from his performance. Nor was young Diarmuid Murtagh either from what I hear. You can't really judge our forwards from that performance if they weren't near fully fit.
Maybe they weren't.
They haven't established themselves at senior level though, in Murtagh's case age would be the reason but Kilbride has never done it in the Championship. At the moment for all the talk about Roscommon, there is very little proven quality in that side, of the young players that have stepped up I would say only Smith seems to be at the level a lot of Roscommon players think these players are at. They're not for the scrap heap and have plenty of time to prove people wrong but I think it's evidently clear now that a lot of Roscommon people have overestimated their abilities.
If you didn't have any knowledge before the game and heard that one side is bringing through some of the best youngsters in the game then you'd swear it was Sligo on Saturday's showing with the performances from McDonnell and Breheny.
You seem desperate to put the boot into players for playing badly in one game. I'd assume you've actually rarely seen any of them play too. Strange fixation for the team that won the match.
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Quote from: Esmarelda on June 22, 2015, 09:20:20 AM
When all the deserved back-slapping is done, is it not the case that Roscommon had a woeful day when it came to shooting?
And we're not talking about hail mary shots that shouldn't have been taken on, it was the likes of Kildbride's miss at the near post in the first half and the free that hit the post on the near side in the second.
Had Roscommon taken what they ought to have taken I think there'd be a much different conversation.
The very worrying thing for Roscommon is that they lost by 4 points despite dominating the middle of the pitch, Sligo had to revert to short kickouts in the second half which can be very attritional running the ball out from the back like that so often and any time it went long we inevitably lost the ball. There was a huge difference in the inside lines of both sides, I think that is simply down to use having better players there despite the much vaunted Roscommon "stars".
Kilbride wasn't fit to start, shouldn't have played as was evident from his performance. Nor was young Diarmuid Murtagh either from what I hear. You can't really judge our forwards from that performance if they weren't near fully fit.
Maybe they weren't.
They haven't established themselves at senior level though, in Murtagh's case age would be the reason but Kilbride has never done it in the Championship. At the moment for all the talk about Roscommon, there is very little proven quality in that side, of the young players that have stepped up I would say only Smith seems to be at the level a lot of Roscommon players think these players are at. They're not for the scrap heap and have plenty of time to prove people wrong but I think it's evidently clear now that a lot of Roscommon people have overestimated their abilities.
If you didn't have any knowledge before the game and heard that one side is bringing through some of the best youngsters in the game then you'd swear it was Sligo on Saturday's showing with the performances from McDonnell and Breheny.
You seem desperate to put the boot into players for playing badly in one game. I'd assume you've actually rarely seen any of them play too. Strange fixation for the team that won the match.
You've been one of the chief cheerleaders for these guys so I wouldn't be getting offended when they commented on for failing to live up to the billing you have put on them.
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Quote from: Esmarelda on June 22, 2015, 09:20:20 AM
When all the deserved back-slapping is done, is it not the case that Roscommon had a woeful day when it came to shooting?
And we're not talking about hail mary shots that shouldn't have been taken on, it was the likes of Kildbride's miss at the near post in the first half and the free that hit the post on the near side in the second.
Had Roscommon taken what they ought to have taken I think there'd be a much different conversation.
The very worrying thing for Roscommon is that they lost by 4 points despite dominating the middle of the pitch, Sligo had to revert to short kickouts in the second half which can be very attritional running the ball out from the back like that so often and any time it went long we inevitably lost the ball. There was a huge difference in the inside lines of both sides, I think that is simply down to use having better players there despite the much vaunted Roscommon "stars".
Kilbride wasn't fit to start, shouldn't have played as was evident from his performance. Nor was young Diarmuid Murtagh either from what I hear. You can't really judge our forwards from that performance if they weren't near fully fit.
Fitness had nothing to do with missing unchallenged shots from 20 metres.
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Quote from: sligoman on June 22, 2015, 09:35:21 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on June 22, 2015, 09:20:20 AM
When all the deserved back-slapping is done, is it not the case that Roscommon had a woeful day when it came to shooting?
And we're not talking about hail mary shots that shouldn't have been taken on, it was the likes of Kildbride's miss at the near post in the first half and the free that hit the post on the near side in the second.
Had Roscommon taken what they ought to have taken I think there'd be a much different conversation.
The very worrying thing for Roscommon is that they lost by 4 points despite dominating the middle of the pitch, Sligo had to revert to short kickouts in the second half which can be very attritional running the ball out from the back like that so often and any time it went long we inevitably lost the ball. There was a huge difference in the inside lines of both sides, I think that is simply down to use having better players there despite the much vaunted Roscommon "stars".
Kilbride wasn't fit to start, shouldn't have played as was evident from his performance. Nor was young Diarmuid Murtagh either from what I hear. You can't really judge our forwards from that performance if they weren't near fully fit.
Fitness had nothing to do with missing unchallenged shots from 20 metres.
Having a hamstring problem does hamper your shooting I would suspect :P
Quote from: The Black Mamba on June 22, 2015, 10:09:28 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on June 22, 2015, 10:06:13 AM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on June 22, 2015, 09:45:42 AM
Quote from: sligoman on June 22, 2015, 09:35:21 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on June 22, 2015, 09:20:20 AM
When all the deserved back-slapping is done, is it not the case that Roscommon had a woeful day when it came to shooting?
And we're not talking about hail mary shots that shouldn't have been taken on, it was the likes of Kildbride's miss at the near post in the first half and the free that hit the post on the near side in the second.
Had Roscommon taken what they ought to have taken I think there'd be a much different conversation.
The very worrying thing for Roscommon is that they lost by 4 points despite dominating the middle of the pitch, Sligo had to revert to short kickouts in the second half which can be very attritional running the ball out from the back like that so often and any time it went long we inevitably lost the ball. There was a huge difference in the inside lines of both sides, I think that is simply down to use having better players there despite the much vaunted Roscommon "stars".
Kilbride wasn't fit to start, shouldn't have played as was evident from his performance. Nor was young Diarmuid Murtagh either from what I hear. You can't really judge our forwards from that performance if they weren't near fully fit.
Fitness had nothing to do with missing unchallenged shots from 20 metres.
Having a hamstring problem does hamper your shooting I would suspect :P
I acknowledge your emoticon, but Kilbride managed to get the distance, just not the accuracy.
To me Roscommon were simply outsmarted by Carew. His rotation of certain players was smart. Rossies were playing catch up from the get go but I can see them beating Cavan and progressing nicely through the qualifiers.
Roscommon are always uncomfortable with the favourites tag . Trips them up nearly always.
Quote from: Canalman on June 22, 2015, 10:14:29 AM
Roscommon are always uncomfortable with the favourites tag . Trips them up nearly always.
The favourites tag and getting any sort of consistency are problems for us.
Quote from: sligoman on June 22, 2015, 10:03:19 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 22, 2015, 09:59:27 AM
Quote from: sligoman on June 22, 2015, 09:53:23 AM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on June 22, 2015, 09:45:42 AM
Quote from: sligoman on June 22, 2015, 09:35:21 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on June 22, 2015, 09:20:20 AM
When all the deserved back-slapping is done, is it not the case that Roscommon had a woeful day when it came to shooting?
And we're not talking about hail mary shots that shouldn't have been taken on, it was the likes of Kildbride's miss at the near post in the first half and the free that hit the post on the near side in the second.
Had Roscommon taken what they ought to have taken I think there'd be a much different conversation.
The very worrying thing for Roscommon is that they lost by 4 points despite dominating the middle of the pitch, Sligo had to revert to short kickouts in the second half which can be very attritional running the ball out from the back like that so often and any time it went long we inevitably lost the ball. There was a huge difference in the inside lines of both sides, I think that is simply down to use having better players there despite the much vaunted Roscommon "stars".
Kilbride wasn't fit to start, shouldn't have played as was evident from his performance. Nor was young Diarmuid Murtagh either from what I hear. You can't really judge our forwards from that performance if they weren't near fully fit.
Maybe they weren't.
They haven't established themselves at senior level though, in Murtagh's case age would be the reason but Kilbride has never done it in the Championship. At the moment for all the talk about Roscommon, there is very little proven quality in that side, of the young players that have stepped up I would say only Smith seems to be at the level a lot of Roscommon players think these players are at. They're not for the scrap heap and have plenty of time to prove people wrong but I think it's evidently clear now that a lot of Roscommon people have overestimated their abilities.
If you didn't have any knowledge before the game and heard that one side is bringing through some of the best youngsters in the game then you'd swear it was Sligo on Saturday's showing with the performances from McDonnell and Breheny.
You seem desperate to put the boot into players for playing badly in one game. I'd assume you've actually rarely seen any of them play too. Strange fixation for the team that won the match.
You've been one of the chief cheerleaders for these guys so I wouldn't be getting offended when they commented on for failing to live up to the billing you have put on them.
The Murtaghs are two good young players who have adapted well to senior football. I don't know where you're getting the idea that I've said they're the best thing to come along in years but it certainly isn't from anything I've posted.
Once again we've failed miserably in Championship football against a team playing a bit of clued in focused intense football.
We seem to be stuck in League mindset and type of loose less intense stuff.
Met Strokestown man Saturday. "Never does anything in Summer" was his view on certain player(s).
Good performance and great result at the weekend. I have to say I was a little concerned beforehand with so many players in pivotal positions playing out of position but all looked very comfortable in their new roles. All 4 McDonnell, Murphy, Brehony, Ewing had excellent games.
Management team have to take a lot of the credit for this performance and the turnaround in the season midway through the league. 1) the introduction of 5/6 younger players has freshened things up and brought a lot of pace back into the side 2) The offensive tactics have maximised the scoring potential of our best line, full forward line 3) A Kick-out strategy has finally been implemented. We don't have the biggest of players to compete at midfield against the top teams. Previous management teams turned a blind eye to this and we kept gifting possession from our kickouts to the opposition, Galway last year and Mayo in 2012 are 2 examples where we made O'Currain and Barry Moran look like good players in recent years.
There are still a lot of improvements to be made for the Mayo game. Cathal Cregg was allowed to run through the middle on a few occasions and we were guilty of swarming around the player in possession and leaving a player free inside. There are of things to work on over the next 4 weeks but its great to be in another Connaught final. Its just a pity that we cannot have it played at home, we would have a lot more than 3 Connaught titles to our name if our venue was up to the standard of hosting a Connaught final.
Quote from: Mano on June 22, 2015, 11:27:41 AM
Its just a pity that we cannot have it played at home, we would have a lot more than 3 Connaught titles to our name if our venue was up to the standard of hosting a Connaught final.
Keep in mind it would rotate between counties if Markievicz Park was capable of hosting a final...Markievicz would be worth a couple of points surely and there have been a few close defeats alright.
2012 Mayo 0-12 Sligo 0-10
2010 Roscommon 0-14 Sligo 0-13
2007 Sligo 1-10 Galway 0-122002 Galway 1-11 Sligo 0-11
1997 Mayo 0-11 Sligo 1-07
1981 Mayo 0-12 Sligo 0-04
1975 Sligo 2-10 (R) 2-10 Mayo 1-13 (R) 0-151971 Galway 2-15 (R) 1-17 Sligo 2-15(R) 3-10
1965 Galway 1-12 Sligo 2-06
1956 Galway 3-12 Sligo 1-05
1954 Galway 2-10 Sligo 3-04
1947 Roscommon 2-12 Sligo 1-08
1932 Mayo 2-06 Sligo 0-07
1930 Mayo 1-07 Sligo 1-02
1928 Sligo 1-04 Mayo 0-061922 Galway 1-07 (R)2-04 Sligo 3-02 (R) 2-02
1920 Mayo 2-03 Sligo 1-04
Why not toss for venue. If it's Mark. Park, print the capacity and split the tickets 50:50. Attendance will be well down if it's brought to Salthill anyway. Nightmare trip for anybody that doesn't know how to bypass Tuam, claregalway and know their way about the city very well.
Quote from: ballinaman on June 22, 2015, 11:52:31 AM
Quote from: Mano on June 22, 2015, 11:27:41 AM
Its just a pity that we cannot have it played at home, we would have a lot more than 3 Connaught titles to our name if our venue was up to the standard of hosting a Connaught final.
Keep in mind it would rotate between counties if Markievicz Park was capable of hosting a final...Markievicz would be worth a couple of points surely and there have been a few close defeats alright.
2012 Mayo 0-12 Sligo 0-10
2010 Roscommon 0-14 Sligo 0-13
2007 Sligo 1-10 Galway 0-12
2002 Galway 1-11 Sligo 0-11
1997 Mayo 0-11 Sligo 1-07
1981 Mayo 0-12 Sligo 0-04
1975 Sligo 2-10 (R) 2-10 Mayo 1-13 (R) 0-15
1971 Galway 2-15 (R) 1-17 Sligo 2-15(R) 3-10
1965 Galway 1-12 Sligo 2-06
1956 Galway 3-12 Sligo 1-05
1954 Galway 2-10 Sligo 3-04
1947 Roscommon 2-12 Sligo 1-08
1932 Mayo 2-06 Sligo 0-07
1930 Mayo 1-07 Sligo 1-02
1928 Sligo 1-04 Mayo 0-06
1922 Galway 1-07 (R)2-04 Sligo 3-02 (R) 2-02
1920 Mayo 2-03 Sligo 1-04
Sligo and Leitrim have never contested a final in a five county province??
Leitrim have only been in the final 10 times....and the 2010/1947 finals of Roscommon Vs Sligo and 1914 Ros V Leitrim are the only finals to have neither Mayo or Galway involved.
2000 Galway 1-13 Leitrim 0-08
1994 Leitrim 0-12 Mayo 2-04
1967 Mayo 4-15 Leitrim 0-07
1963 Galway 4-11 Leitrim 1-08
1960 Galway 2-05 Leitrim 0-05
1959 Galway 5-08 Leitrim 0-12
1958 Galway 2-10 Leitrim 1-11
1949 Mayo 4-06 Leitrim 0-03
1927 Leitrim 2-04 Galway 0-03
1914 Roscommon 1-02 Leitrim 0-01
Quote from: ballinaman on June 22, 2015, 01:46:08 PM
Leitrim have only been in the final 10 times....and the 2010 final of Roscommon Vs Sligo is the only final to have neither Mayo or Galway involved.
2000 Galway 1-13 Leitrim 0-08
1994 Leitrim 0-12 Mayo 2-04
1967 Mayo 4-15 Leitrim 0-07
1963 Galway 4-11 Leitrim 1-08
1960 Galway 2-05 Leitrim 0-05
1959 Galway 5-08 Leitrim 0-12
1958 Galway 2-10 Leitrim 1-11
1949 Mayo 4-06 Leitrim 0-03
1927 Leitrim 2-04 Galway 0-03
1914 Roscommon 1-02 Leitrim 0-01
One final without Mayo or Galway!
Edit -1914 Roscommon Leitrim according to the info you posted.
I often wonder what it must be like to follow intercounty when you're from Leitrim or Carlow etc. Just disappointment after disappointment. Donegal, over the years, have been no great shakes, but at least, partly due to our size, we will put together enough good players to contest provincial finals and win a title or two each generation. There's no prospect of even that modest level of success for so many counties.
Sligo have probably underperformed in terms of Connacht titles - current population is 65k compared with 31k for Leitrim and 65k for Roscommon.
The strength of soccer in Sligo town and the big interest in rallying probably explains some of it
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 22, 2015, 02:01:23 PM
Sligo have probably underperformed in terms of Connacht titles - current population is 65k compared with 31k for Leitrim and 65k for Roscommon.
The strength of soccer in Sligo town and the big interest in rallying probably explains some of it
Rallying!? Would you really see a lad giving up football to concentrate on his rallying?
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 22, 2015, 02:01:23 PM
Sligo have probably underperformed in terms of Connacht titles - current population is 65k compared with 31k for Leitrim and 65k for Roscommon.
The strength of soccer in Sligo town and the big interest in rallying probably explains some of it
That's completely the wrong way to look at it, we have 26 clubs, Leitrim have 28 and some of their clubs have 3 teams, add in the fact that of all the counties Sligo has by far and away the lowest population of gaa families which im convinced is a measurable factor that no one takes into account. You have to look at playing population rather then population imo. We have a serious chance under a very good manager like Carew to make hay, with our minors this year have serious players if we can just hold it together next few years. We do have I think the worst county board in Ireland which hits us with clubs and standard and structures within the county. Also the shocking bad choices of managers over the yrs has handicapped us at underage and senior and cost us titles but we got lucky with carew and he will maximise the potential of the seniors. Sligo has underachieved imo but our biggest issue is very good astute clubmen turning their back on gaa and absolute numpties thinking there great. The infighting at cb level was to blame for the post 2012 horror shows as walsh was kept on is a prime example, men in there power hungry and if there not involved they want Sligo to fail type stuff.
LOL at rallying btw
Quotefocused intense football
That's where it went wrong for Ross. The question must be answered as to how much of this lack of intensity is down to the manager and how much down to the players?
The way I see it is 100% management, Ross looked over-trained, over-confident, over-awed [as the game was drifting from them] and under-prepared for the "what if" situations of championship football.
Where was the calmness required for the "what-if" scenario that transpired when they ended up 4 points down? It was non-existent, did the management not prepare the players for this going into the game? With the talk of Evans I would guess that this type of scenario never entered their build up.
Besides all of that they couldn't lift themselves from the situation to even eek out a draw, credit must go to Sligo for their spirited display. Ross are as well to stick with Evans now anyhow and I'm sure the mistakes they made the last day will be rectified.
They nearly beat us last year in Castlebar, they have good players and I expect Ross to make it to a QF still as any attitude of taking match's for granted will no longer be an issue.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 22, 2015, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 22, 2015, 02:01:23 PM
Sligo have probably underperformed in terms of Connacht titles - current population is 65k compared with 31k for Leitrim and 65k for Roscommon.
The strength of soccer in Sligo town and the big interest in rallying probably explains some of it
That's completely the wrong way to look at it, we have 26 clubs, Leitrim have 28 and some of their clubs have 3 teams, add in the fact that of all the counties Sligo has by far and away the lowest population of gaa families which im convinced is a measurable factor that no one takes into account. You have to look at playing population rather then population imo. We have a serious chance under a very good manager like Carew to make hay, with our minors this year have serious players if we can just hold it together next few years. We do have I think the worst county board in Ireland which hits us with clubs and standard and structures within the county. Also the shocking bad choices of managers over the yrs has handicapped us at underage and senior and cost us titles but we got lucky with carew and he will maximise the potential of the seniors. Sligo has underachieved imo but our biggest issue is very good astute clubmen turning their back on gaa and absolute numpties thinking there great. The infighting at cb level was to blame for the post 2012 horror shows as walsh was kept on is a prime example, men in there power hungry and if there not involved they want Sligo to fail type stuff.
LOL at rallying btw
Look at the make up of the underage teams over the last few years and the current senior team. The majority of players are from the South and North divisions. What has happened to clubs who provided a lot of players in previous years the former strongholds of Shamrock Gaels, Eastern Harps, Easkey. GAA is a minority sport in some of our bigger towns Ballymote, Cooloney, Ballisodare, Enniscrone. What are the County Board doing to resurrect GAA in these areas?
Reason for our poor performance at under 21 level in recent years apart from 2014 is down to little or no preparation. The difference in players like C Brehony, Davey, McDonnell at u21 and senior level says it all. Players looked disinterested at the under 21 level as they knew they hadn't the preparation behind them. During the Walsh era he rarely gave the u21 management access to their players even forcing them to play a senior challenge a few days before the Connaught final. The County board allowed this to happen and seem to put all the focus on the senior team to the detriment of the under 21 team and the clubs.
Quote from: highorlow on June 22, 2015, 02:20:22 PM
Quotefocused intense football
That's where it went wrong for Ross. The question must be answered as to how much of this lack of intensity is down to the manager and how much down to the players?
The way I see it is 100% management, Ross looked over-trained, over-confident, over-awed [as the game was drifting from them] and under-prepared for the "what if" situations of championship football.
Where was the calmness required for the "what-if" scenario that transpired when they ended up 4 points down? It was non-existent, did the management not prepare the players for this going into the game? With the talk of Evans I would guess that this type of scenario never entered their build up.
Besides all of that they couldn't lift themselves from the situation to even eek out a draw, credit must go to Sligo for their spirited display. Ross are as well to stick with Evans now anyhow and I'm sure the mistakes they made the last day will be rectified.
They nearly beat us last year in Castlebar, they have good players and I expect Ross to make it to a QF still as any attitude of taking match's for granted will no longer be an issue.
the bit in bold is the best bit ! the lack of intensity being 100% down to management though runs it a close second
Quote from: Mano on June 22, 2015, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 22, 2015, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 22, 2015, 02:01:23 PM
Sligo have probably underperformed in terms of Connacht titles - current population is 65k compared with 31k for Leitrim and 65k for Roscommon.
The strength of soccer in Sligo town and the big interest in rallying probably explains some of it
That's completely the wrong way to look at it, we have 26 clubs, Leitrim have 28 and some of their clubs have 3 teams, add in the fact that of all the counties Sligo has by far and away the lowest population of gaa families which im convinced is a measurable factor that no one takes into account. You have to look at playing population rather then population imo. We have a serious chance under a very good manager like Carew to make hay, with our minors this year have serious players if we can just hold it together next few years. We do have I think the worst county board in Ireland which hits us with clubs and standard and structures within the county. Also the shocking bad choices of managers over the yrs has handicapped us at underage and senior and cost us titles but we got lucky with carew and he will maximise the potential of the seniors. Sligo has underachieved imo but our biggest issue is very good astute clubmen turning their back on gaa and absolute numpties thinking there great. The infighting at cb level was to blame for the post 2012 horror shows as walsh was kept on is a prime example, men in there power hungry and if there not involved they want Sligo to fail type stuff.
LOL at rallying btw
Look at the make up of the underage teams over the last few years and the current senior team. The majority of players are from the South and North divisions. What has happened to clubs who provided a lot of players in previous years the former strongholds of Shamrock Gaels, Eastern Harps, Easkey. GAA is a minority sport in some of our bigger towns Ballymote, Cooloney, Ballisodare, Enniscrone. What are the County Board doing to resurrect GAA in these areas?
Reason for our poor performance at under 21 level in recent years apart from 2014 is down to little or no preparation. The difference in players like C Brehony, Davey, McDonnell at u21 and senior level says it all. Players looked disinterested at the under 21 level as they knew they hadn't the preparation behind them. During the Walsh era he rarely gave the u21 management access to their players even forcing them to play a senior challenge a few days before the Connaught final. The County board allowed this to happen and seem to put all the focus on the senior team to the detriment of the under 21 team and the clubs.
The club scene is definitely a big problem in Sligo football. For a start, I feel we have clubs who have way too big of catchment areas. You look at the likes of Johns and all the underage successes they have enjoyed over the past 20 years or so, why has this never really transferred into senior, a lot of their best players for the underage teams never develop and many of them don't even play senior football. Johns and Marys must be two of the biggest clubs in terms of playing pick in the whole of Connacht but they have only shared one senior club championship between them in this millennium and this is despite them dominant A teams underage for the last 15 years. Harps are another side who have far too big of an area to pick from, there could easily be three clubs in that area and I think it's very damaging for the development of the game there which is why I feel they have fallen off so badly in recent years. It's not so long ago since their intermediate team were making Championship finals. I feel when clubs have such big areas to pick from they let young lads slip through their grasp much easier whereas this wouldn't be the case in normal circumstances.
Of course, soccer is a big factor but other than that you need a county board willing to put all its resources into areas where the game is dead. It's sad to see the way the GAA is in towns like Ballymote, Collooney and Ballisodare where it seems to have no interest at underage levels.
Does anyone know if Roscommon wore the correct studs and whether they intend to wear them the next day out?
The Cavan game will show whether Saturday was a once off of preparing for the Connacht final and taking Sligo for granted
or
a sign that there are bigger problems with the panel and/or management.
Watched the game back last night and would agree with most of the comment on here. Saying we have a lot of room for improvement is not just cliché pre-final talk. While our commitment, workrate and attitude was first class along with our game plan - some of the execution left a lot to be desired. In honesty we should have won this game more comfortably and that's not being unkind I think. Roscommon never really got going at all but could easily have got a goal themselves and ended up taking things. Also, for the next day we will have to have other things up our sleeve because things we got away with or maybe overused on Saturday will cost us if repeated against Mayo. That's not negativity, just a bit of a grounding.
As I said earlier in the year I was delighted to eat humble pie over my calls for Carew et al to be ousted after the first 3 games. I never envisaged they would make the radical changes so badly needed but fair play to them, they did it and the results have been excellent. I wouldn't have had the vision to make some of the calls they did but you could immediately see they were working or had a chance of working. It would have been easy for Carew to stumble on like previous managers have done and just feed the old refrain - "we don't have the players" but he took a big chance and backed his judgement. I also know from meeting a few clubmates and hearing of other lads that the mindset of the players was perfect before the game.
On Sky's coverage - like many I was disappointed with Jimmy McGuinness' pre match comments. He should know enough about Sligo to be better clued in than that. At least he realised his mistake and put the hands up. I thought Sky's production was good but as a lover of stats would have liked to see more of their stats post match (can I access on their website???). Was anyone a little surprised at the MOTM award? I might sound ridiculous to some but I think there were a good few Sligo players more deserving. Aido kicked some fine scores but missed a few he should have got and he doesn't work near as hard as the other lads. Maybe I'm being a little unfair. 1-7 is a serious tally.
On the county board/club structures etc I would echo the posts of the Sligo lads on that. I lived away from Sligo for a time and when I got back I was heavily involved with my club. This entailed getting involved at CB level and after I short while I was shocked to realise that no-one saw it as the CB's function to help clubs, especially ones that were struggling. How naïve was I??!!! From my experience I would say there are loads of good people in Sligo GAA but there is a group that holds sway and things must be done to their liking. Otherwise you must be ready for a long, hard battle and in the end you will probably not beat them due to lack of backup. I also agree in theory with there being too few clubs/clubs with too big an area/population but in practical terms I don't see how this can be tackled. It would require iron will and lots of new volunteers and sadly I don't see much of either around.
Good luck to the minors next weekend. Going to be tough to get out of there with a win but hopefully we can do the business. Winning underage titles for a county of our playing population is very difficult but getting as much right as we can is not. It seems to be the case here so we can dare to hope.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 22, 2015, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 22, 2015, 02:01:23 PM
Sligo have probably underperformed in terms of Connacht titles - current population is 65k compared with 31k for Leitrim and 65k for Roscommon.
The strength of soccer in Sligo town and the big interest in rallying probably explains some of it
That's completely the wrong way to look at it, we have 26 clubs, Leitrim have 28 and some of their clubs have 3 teams, add in the fact that of all the counties Sligo has by far and away the lowest population of gaa families which im convinced is a measurable factor that no one takes into account. You have to look at playing population rather then population imo. We have a serious chance under a very good manager like Carew to make hay, with our minors this year have serious players if we can just hold it together next few years. We do have I think the worst county board in Ireland which hits us with clubs and standard and structures within the county. Also the shocking bad choices of managers over the yrs has handicapped us at underage and senior and cost us titles but we got lucky with carew and he will maximise the potential of the seniors. Sligo has underachieved imo but our biggest issue is very good astute clubmen turning their back on gaa and absolute numpties thinking there great. The infighting at cb level was to blame for the post 2012 horror shows as walsh was kept on is a prime example, men in there power hungry and if there not involved they want Sligo to fail type stuff.
LOL at rallying btw
Odd that there's so few clubs, you'd expect it to be similar to other neighbouring counties.
The interest in rallying might be an effect rather than a cause
Quote from: sligoman on June 22, 2015, 03:16:12 PM
Quote from: Mano on June 22, 2015, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 22, 2015, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 22, 2015, 02:01:23 PM
Sligo have probably underperformed in terms of Connacht titles - current population is 65k compared with 31k for Leitrim and 65k for Roscommon.
The strength of soccer in Sligo town and the big interest in rallying probably explains some of it
That's completely the wrong way to look at it, we have 26 clubs, Leitrim have 28 and some of their clubs have 3 teams, add in the fact that of all the counties Sligo has by far and away the lowest population of gaa families which im convinced is a measurable factor that no one takes into account. You have to look at playing population rather then population imo. We have a serious chance under a very good manager like Carew to make hay, with our minors this year have serious players if we can just hold it together next few years. We do have I think the worst county board in Ireland which hits us with clubs and standard and structures within the county. Also the shocking bad choices of managers over the yrs has handicapped us at underage and senior and cost us titles but we got lucky with carew and he will maximise the potential of the seniors. Sligo has underachieved imo but our biggest issue is very good astute clubmen turning their back on gaa and absolute numpties thinking there great. The infighting at cb level was to blame for the post 2012 horror shows as walsh was kept on is a prime example, men in there power hungry and if there not involved they want Sligo to fail type stuff.
LOL at rallying btw
Look at the make up of the underage teams over the last few years and the current senior team. The majority of players are from the South and North divisions. What has happened to clubs who provided a lot of players in previous years the former strongholds of Shamrock Gaels, Eastern Harps, Easkey. GAA is a minority sport in some of our bigger towns Ballymote, Cooloney, Ballisodare, Enniscrone. What are the County Board doing to resurrect GAA in these areas?
Reason for our poor performance at under 21 level in recent years apart from 2014 is down to little or no preparation. The difference in players like C Brehony, Davey, McDonnell at u21 and senior level says it all. Players looked disinterested at the under 21 level as they knew they hadn't the preparation behind them. During the Walsh era he rarely gave the u21 management access to their players even forcing them to play a senior challenge a few days before the Connaught final. The County board allowed this to happen and seem to put all the focus on the senior team to the detriment of the under 21 team and the clubs.
The club scene is definitely a big problem in Sligo football. For a start, I feel we have clubs who have way too big of catchment areas. You look at the likes of Johns and all the underage successes they have enjoyed over the past 20 years or so, why has this never really transferred into senior, a lot of their best players for the underage teams never develop and many of them don't even play senior football. Johns and Marys must be two of the biggest clubs in terms of playing pick in the whole of Connacht but they have only shared one senior club championship between them in this millennium and this is despite them dominant A teams underage for the last 15 years. Harps are another side who have far too big of an area to pick from, there could easily be three clubs in that area and I think it's very damaging for the development of the game there which is why I feel they have fallen off so badly in recent years. It's not so long ago since their intermediate team were making Championship finals. I feel when clubs have such big areas to pick from they let young lads slip through their grasp much easier whereas this wouldn't be the case in normal circumstances.
Of course, soccer is a big factor but other than that you need a county board willing to put all its resources into areas where the game is dead. It's sad to see the way the GAA is in towns like Ballymote, Collooney and Ballisodare where it seems to have no interest at underage levels.
A bloke I work with is a mad soccer fan and into most sports. The other evening I got a text from him during the Ros/Sligo game. It was about Stan Bowles. I text him back that I was in Sligo at the game. He was a bit surprised by that. He himself was in Sligo town visiting his mother and it wouldn t enter his mind to go to see his county play. He s never been. Resents it I think. Is that usual for a Sligo townie? I can t understand it?
Then again I ve never been to a Sligo Rovers game and a few from around here go regular.
Quote from: Itchy on June 22, 2015, 03:16:58 PM
Does anyone know if Roscommon wore the correct studs and whether they intend to wear them the next day out?
Ah yes, studgate, the reason the league game ended in a draw was because a couple of the galacticos were wearing the wrong studs, at least that was the official
excuse line from Syferus, and lets face it he knows because he has a far superior level of knowledge on everything compared to mere mortals. If they have the correct studs in this time lads ye are fecked.
Quote from: moysider on June 22, 2015, 05:49:14 PM
Quote from: sligoman on June 22, 2015, 03:16:12 PM
Quote from: Mano on June 22, 2015, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 22, 2015, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 22, 2015, 02:01:23 PM
Sligo have probably underperformed in terms of Connacht titles - current population is 65k compared with 31k for Leitrim and 65k for Roscommon.
The strength of soccer in Sligo town and the big interest in rallying probably explains some of it
That's completely the wrong way to look at it, we have 26 clubs, Leitrim have 28 and some of their clubs have 3 teams, add in the fact that of all the counties Sligo has by far and away the lowest population of gaa families which im convinced is a measurable factor that no one takes into account. You have to look at playing population rather then population imo. We have a serious chance under a very good manager like Carew to make hay, with our minors this year have serious players if we can just hold it together next few years. We do have I think the worst county board in Ireland which hits us with clubs and standard and structures within the county. Also the shocking bad choices of managers over the yrs has handicapped us at underage and senior and cost us titles but we got lucky with carew and he will maximise the potential of the seniors. Sligo has underachieved imo but our biggest issue is very good astute clubmen turning their back on gaa and absolute numpties thinking there great. The infighting at cb level was to blame for the post 2012 horror shows as walsh was kept on is a prime example, men in there power hungry and if there not involved they want Sligo to fail type stuff.
LOL at rallying btw
Look at the make up of the underage teams over the last few years and the current senior team. The majority of players are from the South and North divisions. What has happened to clubs who provided a lot of players in previous years the former strongholds of Shamrock Gaels, Eastern Harps, Easkey. GAA is a minority sport in some of our bigger towns Ballymote, Cooloney, Ballisodare, Enniscrone. What are the County Board doing to resurrect GAA in these areas?
Reason for our poor performance at under 21 level in recent years apart from 2014 is down to little or no preparation. The difference in players like C Brehony, Davey, McDonnell at u21 and senior level says it all. Players looked disinterested at the under 21 level as they knew they hadn't the preparation behind them. During the Walsh era he rarely gave the u21 management access to their players even forcing them to play a senior challenge a few days before the Connaught final. The County board allowed this to happen and seem to put all the focus on the senior team to the detriment of the under 21 team and the clubs.
The club scene is definitely a big problem in Sligo football. For a start, I feel we have clubs who have way too big of catchment areas. You look at the likes of Johns and all the underage successes they have enjoyed over the past 20 years or so, why has this never really transferred into senior, a lot of their best players for the underage teams never develop and many of them don't even play senior football. Johns and Marys must be two of the biggest clubs in terms of playing pick in the whole of Connacht but they have only shared one senior club championship between them in this millennium and this is despite them dominant A teams underage for the last 15 years. Harps are another side who have far too big of an area to pick from, there could easily be three clubs in that area and I think it's very damaging for the development of the game there which is why I feel they have fallen off so badly in recent years. It's not so long ago since their intermediate team were making Championship finals. I feel when clubs have such big areas to pick from they let young lads slip through their grasp much easier whereas this wouldn't be the case in normal circumstances.
Of course, soccer is a big factor but other than that you need a county board willing to put all its resources into areas where the game is dead. It's sad to see the way the GAA is in towns like Ballymote, Collooney and Ballisodare where it seems to have no interest at underage levels.
A bloke I work with is a mad soccer fan and into most sports. The other evening I got a text from him during the Ros/Sligo game. It was about Stan Bowles. I text him back that I was in Sligo at the game. He was a bit surprised by that. He himself was in Sligo town visiting his mother and it wouldn t enter his mind to go to see his county play. He s never been. Resents it I think. Is that usual for a Sligo townie? I can t understand it?
Then again I ve never been to a Sligo Rovers game and a few from around here go regular.
I live in the town. It's not hatred but indifference. People I know played for their club and schools up to minor then just moved on to other things. I don't know very many people from Sligo who actually actively go to games or support their county honestly. The GAA just isn't in the blood the same way it is in Mayo or Roscommon or even Leitrim.
On a side-note I've got to say it was touching how emotional the announcer was when talking about Michael Galvin before the match.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 22, 2015, 11:16:03 AM
Once again we've failed miserably in Championship football against a team playing a bit of clued in focused intense football.
We seem to be stuck in League mindset and type of loose less intense stuff.
Met Strokestown man Saturday. "Never does anything in Summer" was his view on certain player(s).
He'd be fairly forthright in his opinion from listening to him on the bus! He wouldn't give a damn who heard him either.
Quote from: moysider on June 22, 2015, 05:49:14 PM
Quote from: sligoman on June 22, 2015, 03:16:12 PM
Quote from: Mano on June 22, 2015, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 22, 2015, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 22, 2015, 02:01:23 PM
Sligo have probably underperformed in terms of Connacht titles - current population is 65k compared with 31k for Leitrim and 65k for Roscommon.
The strength of soccer in Sligo town and the big interest in rallying probably explains some of it
That's completely the wrong way to look at it, we have 26 clubs, Leitrim have 28 and some of their clubs have 3 teams, add in the fact that of all the counties Sligo has by far and away the lowest population of gaa families which im convinced is a measurable factor that no one takes into account. You have to look at playing population rather then population imo. We have a serious chance under a very good manager like Carew to make hay, with our minors this year have serious players if we can just hold it together next few years. We do have I think the worst county board in Ireland which hits us with clubs and standard and structures within the county. Also the shocking bad choices of managers over the yrs has handicapped us at underage and senior and cost us titles but we got lucky with carew and he will maximise the potential of the seniors. Sligo has underachieved imo but our biggest issue is very good astute clubmen turning their back on gaa and absolute numpties thinking there great. The infighting at cb level was to blame for the post 2012 horror shows as walsh was kept on is a prime example, men in there power hungry and if there not involved they want Sligo to fail type stuff.
LOL at rallying btw
Look at the make up of the underage teams over the last few years and the current senior team. The majority of players are from the South and North divisions. What has happened to clubs who provided a lot of players in previous years the former strongholds of Shamrock Gaels, Eastern Harps, Easkey. GAA is a minority sport in some of our bigger towns Ballymote, Cooloney, Ballisodare, Enniscrone. What are the County Board doing to resurrect GAA in these areas?
Reason for our poor performance at under 21 level in recent years apart from 2014 is down to little or no preparation. The difference in players like C Brehony, Davey, McDonnell at u21 and senior level says it all. Players looked disinterested at the under 21 level as they knew they hadn't the preparation behind them. During the Walsh era he rarely gave the u21 management access to their players even forcing them to play a senior challenge a few days before the Connaught final. The County board allowed this to happen and seem to put all the focus on the senior team to the detriment of the under 21 team and the clubs.
The club scene is definitely a big problem in Sligo football. For a start, I feel we have clubs who have way too big of catchment areas. You look at the likes of Johns and all the underage successes they have enjoyed over the past 20 years or so, why has this never really transferred into senior, a lot of their best players for the underage teams never develop and many of them don't even play senior football. Johns and Marys must be two of the biggest clubs in terms of playing pick in the whole of Connacht but they have only shared one senior club championship between them in this millennium and this is despite them dominant A teams underage for the last 15 years. Harps are another side who have far too big of an area to pick from, there could easily be three clubs in that area and I think it's very damaging for the development of the game there which is why I feel they have fallen off so badly in recent years. It's not so long ago since their intermediate team were making Championship finals. I feel when clubs have such big areas to pick from they let young lads slip through their grasp much easier whereas this wouldn't be the case in normal circumstances.
Of course, soccer is a big factor but other than that you need a county board willing to put all its resources into areas where the game is dead. It's sad to see the way the GAA is in towns like Ballymote, Collooney and Ballisodare where it seems to have no interest at underage levels.
A bloke I work with is a mad soccer fan and into most sports. The other evening I got a text from him during the Ros/Sligo game. It was about Stan Bowles. I text him back that I was in Sligo at the game. He was a bit surprised by that. He himself was in Sligo town visiting his mother and it wouldn t enter his mind to go to see his county play. He s never been. Resents it I think. Is that usual for a Sligo townie? I can t understand it?
Then again I ve never been to a Sligo Rovers game and a few from around here go regular.
That type of attitude would be widespread in Sligo town.
That's a huge slice of the population not involved. If you took Ballina and Castlebar out of Mayo football history it would leave some hole. The towns have produced some of the greats.
Many townies play with Sligo down the years? Is Barry O Mahoney involved this year. He's a townie, isn t he? Looked good when I saw him as a youngster a few years ago.
Quote from: moysider on June 22, 2015, 10:53:26 PM
That's a huge slice of the population not involved. If you took Ballina and Castlebar out of Mayo football history it would leave some hole. The towns have produced some of the greats.
Many townies play with Sligo down the years? Is Barry O Mahoney involved this year. He's a townie, isn t he? Looked good when I saw him as a youngster a few years ago.
Oh dear...
*holds Seanie back*
Quote from: moysider on June 22, 2015, 10:53:26 PM
That's a huge slice of the population not involved. If you took Ballina and Castlebar out of Mayo football history it would leave some hole. The towns have produced some of the greats.
Many townies play with Sligo down the years? Is Barry O Mahoney involved this year. He's a townie, isn t he? Looked good when I saw him as a youngster a few years ago.
He's not on the panel this year (dropped at the end of FBD I think and was not pleased at all about it) and not a townie. He's a clubmate of mine from Strandhill (about 5/6 miles from the town). He played a lot of LOI soccer with various clubs including Sligo Rovers for a while and had genuine aspirations of going across the water meaning his gaelic football development was a little stunted. Very strong and pacy.
To be fair there have been some very good players from the town but just nowhere near enough. Close to 50% of the population of the county is in the town.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on June 22, 2015, 11:09:10 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 22, 2015, 10:53:26 PM
That's a huge slice of the population not involved. If you took Ballina and Castlebar out of Mayo football history it would leave some hole. The towns have produced some of the greats.
Many townies play with Sligo down the years? Is Barry O Mahoney involved this year. He's a townie, isn t he? Looked good when I saw him as a youngster a few years ago.
Oh dear...
*holds Seanie back*
Hahaha!
For those not in the know....in our club we (well definitely me) get touchy at being called townies. We most certainly are not but sometimes (perhaps mischieviously??) lads from other parts of the county tar us with that brush.
Oh Ok. Didn t realise he was from Strandhill. Though he was town. Yeah I knew he was playing a lot of soccer. Powerful young fella. Looked older than he was.
Quote from: highorlow on June 22, 2015, 09:53:42 AM
QuoteI see David Brady had a pop at Cake and Ros too. All these ex county lads on "the Twitter" could make an interesting sideshow to the championship. No doubt when Sligo and Mayo fall flat on their faces the social media knifes will sharpen on the banks of the Suck.
Your another one of those daft basturds that's on here now and again. Go and get yourself a pool cue.
Have been a regular reader since the hypermart and Usenet days in the late 90s. I might be a daft bastard but no need for the personal abuse. But good one on the pool cue. You didn't see wit like that back in the old days. I'd say there's a few bus jokes in you too.
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 22, 2015, 11:13:25 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on June 22, 2015, 11:09:10 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 22, 2015, 10:53:26 PM
That's a huge slice of the population not involved. If you took Ballina and Castlebar out of Mayo football history it would leave some hole. The towns have produced some of the greats.
Many townies play with Sligo down the years? Is Barry O Mahoney involved this year. He's a townie, isn t he? Looked good when I saw him as a youngster a few years ago.
Oh dear...
*holds Seanie back*
Hahaha!
For those not in the know....in our club we (well definitely me) get touchy at being called townies. We most certainly are not but sometimes (perhaps mischieviously??) lads from other parts of the county tar us with that brush.
Lovely part of the world. Is there a finer sight in Ireland than to stand at the top of Knocknarea, commune with the Goddess Maeve, down then to Strandhill for an ice-cream at Mammy Johnstons, across the street for a bite to eat and a pint at The Strand, a seaweed bath and a bit of surfing. Good luck against Mayo.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 22, 2015, 02:14:48 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 22, 2015, 02:01:23 PM
Sligo have probably underperformed in terms of Connacht titles - current population is 65k compared with 31k for Leitrim and 65k for Roscommon.
The strength of soccer in Sligo town and the big interest in rallying probably explains some of it
Rallying!? Would you really see a lad giving up football to concentrate on his rallying?
"If I had me way, I'd puncture every wheel in the county."
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 22, 2015, 10:42:08 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 22, 2015, 05:49:14 PM
Quote from: sligoman on June 22, 2015, 03:16:12 PM
Quote from: Mano on June 22, 2015, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 22, 2015, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 22, 2015, 02:01:23 PM
Sligo have probably underperformed in terms of Connacht titles - current population is 65k compared with 31k for Leitrim and 65k for Roscommon.
The strength of soccer in Sligo town and the big interest in rallying probably explains some of it
That's completely the wrong way to look at it, we have 26 clubs, Leitrim have 28 and some of their clubs have 3 teams, add in the fact that of all the counties Sligo has by far and away the lowest population of gaa families which im convinced is a measurable factor that no one takes into account. You have to look at playing population rather then population imo. We have a serious chance under a very good manager like Carew to make hay, with our minors this year have serious players if we can just hold it together next few years. We do have I think the worst county board in Ireland which hits us with clubs and standard and structures within the county. Also the shocking bad choices of managers over the yrs has handicapped us at underage and senior and cost us titles but we got lucky with carew and he will maximise the potential of the seniors. Sligo has underachieved imo but our biggest issue is very good astute clubmen turning their back on gaa and absolute numpties thinking there great. The infighting at cb level was to blame for the post 2012 horror shows as walsh was kept on is a prime example, men in there power hungry and if there not involved they want Sligo to fail type stuff.
LOL at rallying btw
Look at the make up of the underage teams over the last few years and the current senior team. The majority of players are from the South and North divisions. What has happened to clubs who provided a lot of players in previous years the former strongholds of Shamrock Gaels, Eastern Harps, Easkey. GAA is a minority sport in some of our bigger towns Ballymote, Cooloney, Ballisodare, Enniscrone. What are the County Board doing to resurrect GAA in these areas?
Reason for our poor performance at under 21 level in recent years apart from 2014 is down to little or no preparation. The difference in players like C Brehony, Davey, McDonnell at u21 and senior level says it all. Players looked disinterested at the under 21 level as they knew they hadn't the preparation behind them. During the Walsh era he rarely gave the u21 management access to their players even forcing them to play a senior challenge a few days before the Connaught final. The County board allowed this to happen and seem to put all the focus on the senior team to the detriment of the under 21 team and the clubs.
The club scene is definitely a big problem in Sligo football. For a start, I feel we have clubs who have way too big of catchment areas. You look at the likes of Johns and all the underage successes they have enjoyed over the past 20 years or so, why has this never really transferred into senior, a lot of their best players for the underage teams never develop and many of them don't even play senior football. Johns and Marys must be two of the biggest clubs in terms of playing pick in the whole of Connacht but they have only shared one senior club championship between them in this millennium and this is despite them dominant A teams underage for the last 15 years. Harps are another side who have far too big of an area to pick from, there could easily be three clubs in that area and I think it's very damaging for the development of the game there which is why I feel they have fallen off so badly in recent years. It's not so long ago since their intermediate team were making Championship finals. I feel when clubs have such big areas to pick from they let young lads slip through their grasp much easier whereas this wouldn't be the case in normal circumstances.
Of course, soccer is a big factor but other than that you need a county board willing to put all its resources into areas where the game is dead. It's sad to see the way the GAA is in towns like Ballymote, Collooney and Ballisodare where it seems to have no interest at underage levels.
A bloke I work with is a mad soccer fan and into most sports. The other evening I got a text from him during the Ros/Sligo game. It was about Stan Bowles. I text him back that I was in Sligo at the game. He was a bit surprised by that. He himself was in Sligo town visiting his mother and it wouldn t enter his mind to go to see his county play. He s never been. Resents it I think. Is that usual for a Sligo townie? I can t understand it?
Then again I ve never been to a Sligo Rovers game and a few from around here go regular.
That type of attitude would be widespread in Sligo town.
Could the fact be that Sligo town was once a busy port and that the English army had a big presence in the place for many generations?
If you consider all the port town in the country you'll find that soccer is strong in every one of them, from Drogheda right around the coast to Galway. ( I think you could add Ballina in as well.)
The same can be said for ports in Norn Iron.
Also, in towns that once had an army barracks you'll find soccer is thje predominant sport. I'm think of the likes of Longford and Athlone here.
Even in my home town of Swinford when I was growing up, there was a sharp divide between those who lived in "The Lane," and the rest of the parish. For all I know there could a bit of a divide there still.
The fact that about 50% of the county's population live in Sligo could help explain the fact that the GAA isn't the number one sport in the county.
Mullingar was a barracks town, and so is Limerick. The GAA is strong in Mullingar and Limerick, although Junior Soccer is massive in Limerick alright.
Quote from: moysider on June 22, 2015, 05:49:14 PM
Quote from: sligoman on June 22, 2015, 03:16:12 PM
Quote from: Mano on June 22, 2015, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 22, 2015, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 22, 2015, 02:01:23 PM
Sligo have probably underperformed in terms of Connacht titles - current population is 65k compared with 31k for Leitrim and 65k for Roscommon.
The strength of soccer in Sligo town and the big interest in rallying probably explains some of it
That's completely the wrong way to look at it, we have 26 clubs, Leitrim have 28 and some of their clubs have 3 teams, add in the fact that of all the counties Sligo has by far and away the lowest population of gaa families which im convinced is a measurable factor that no one takes into account. You have to look at playing population rather then population imo. We have a serious chance under a very good manager like Carew to make hay, with our minors this year have serious players if we can just hold it together next few years. We do have I think the worst county board in Ireland which hits us with clubs and standard and structures within the county. Also the shocking bad choices of managers over the yrs has handicapped us at underage and senior and cost us titles but we got lucky with carew and he will maximise the potential of the seniors. Sligo has underachieved imo but our biggest issue is very good astute clubmen turning their back on gaa and absolute numpties thinking there great. The infighting at cb level was to blame for the post 2012 horror shows as walsh was kept on is a prime example, men in there power hungry and if there not involved they want Sligo to fail type stuff.
LOL at rallying btw
Look at the make up of the underage teams over the last few years and the current senior team. The majority of players are from the South and North divisions. What has happened to clubs who provided a lot of players in previous years the former strongholds of Shamrock Gaels, Eastern Harps, Easkey. GAA is a minority sport in some of our bigger towns Ballymote, Cooloney, Ballisodare, Enniscrone. What are the County Board doing to resurrect GAA in these areas?
Reason for our poor performance at under 21 level in recent years apart from 2014 is down to little or no preparation. The difference in players like C Brehony, Davey, McDonnell at u21 and senior level says it all. Players looked disinterested at the under 21 level as they knew they hadn't the preparation behind them. During the Walsh era he rarely gave the u21 management access to their players even forcing them to play a senior challenge a few days before the Connaught final. The County board allowed this to happen and seem to put all the focus on the senior team to the detriment of the under 21 team and the clubs.
The club scene is definitely a big problem in Sligo football. For a start, I feel we have clubs who have way too big of catchment areas. You look at the likes of Johns and all the underage successes they have enjoyed over the past 20 years or so, why has this never really transferred into senior, a lot of their best players for the underage teams never develop and many of them don't even play senior football. Johns and Marys must be two of the biggest clubs in terms of playing pick in the whole of Connacht but they have only shared one senior club championship between them in this millennium and this is despite them dominant A teams underage for the last 15 years. Harps are another side who have far too big of an area to pick from, there could easily be three clubs in that area and I think it's very damaging for the development of the game there which is why I feel they have fallen off so badly in recent years. It's not so long ago since their intermediate team were making Championship finals. I feel when clubs have such big areas to pick from they let young lads slip through their grasp much easier whereas this wouldn't be the case in normal circumstances.
Of course, soccer is a big factor but other than that you need a county board willing to put all its resources into areas where the game is dead. It's sad to see the way the GAA is in towns like Ballymote, Collooney and Ballisodare where it seems to have no interest at underage levels.
A bloke I work with is a mad soccer fan and into most sports. The other evening I got a text from him during the Ros/Sligo game. It was about Stan Bowles. I text him back that I was in Sligo at the game. He was a bit surprised by that. He himself was in Sligo town visiting his mother and it wouldn t enter his mind to go to see his county play. He s never been. Resents it I think. Is that usual for a Sligo townie? I can t understand it?
Then again I ve never been to a Sligo Rovers game and a few from around here go regular.
What's the problem here?
The guy doesn't like GAA, what's the big deal with that?
Not everyone in the country likes or cares about GAA. Why should they?
QuoteAlso, in towns that once had an army barracks you'll find soccer is thje predominant sport.
Na, Kildare Town had a barracks for years and the smallest field sport club in the Town is the soccer club, the rugby club has the actually biggest playing numbers but that's because it covers most of South-West Co. Kildare. Towers are the biggest supported club in the town though.
Newbridge also had a barracks - Moorfield and Sarsfields would both be bigger than any of the soccer clubs in the Town. Likewise in Naas where the old army apprentice school was Naas GAA and Rugby dwarf their soccer counterparts.
What about Kilkenny City? Is soccer bigger than hurling down there?
It's not bigger than hurling but soccer is pretty big in Kilkenny.
Played in the Kilkenny league myself for 15 years and it is taken very seriously down there.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 23, 2015, 11:45:58 AM
Mullingar was a barracks town, and so is Limerick. The GAA is strong in Mullingar and Limerick, although Junior Soccer is massive in Limerick alright.
I always get the impression, rightly or wrongly, that Limerick teams are all very well supported, no matter what sport.
Castlebar is considered a Garrison Town, but there is a great cross-over and co-operation between GAA, Soccer and Rugby with many players involved in different clubs (at least there was when I was around). It is probably fair to say that the support of the wider public in the town isn't huge for any of those clubs though. Support for the county is massive though.
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Quote from: macdanger2 on June 22, 2015, 02:01:23 PM
Sligo have probably underperformed in terms of Connacht titles - current population is 65k compared with 31k for Leitrim and 65k for Roscommon.
The strength of soccer in Sligo town and the big interest in rallying probably explains some of it
That's completely the wrong way to look at it, we have 26 clubs, Leitrim have 28 and some of their clubs have 3 teams, add in the fact that of all the counties Sligo has by far and away the lowest population of gaa families which im convinced is a measurable factor that no one takes into account. You have to look at playing population rather then population imo. We have a serious chance under a very good manager like Carew to make hay, with our minors this year have serious players if we can just hold it together next few years. We do have I think the worst county board in Ireland which hits us with clubs and standard and structures within the county. Also the shocking bad choices of managers over the yrs has handicapped us at underage and senior and cost us titles but we got lucky with carew and he will maximise the potential of the seniors. Sligo has underachieved imo but our biggest issue is very good astute clubmen turning their back on gaa and absolute numpties thinking there great. The infighting at cb level was to blame for the post 2012 horror shows as walsh was kept on is a prime example, men in there power hungry and if there not involved they want Sligo to fail type stuff.
LOL at rallying btw
Look at the make up of the underage teams over the last few years and the current senior team. The majority of players are from the South and North divisions. What has happened to clubs who provided a lot of players in previous years the former strongholds of Shamrock Gaels, Eastern Harps, Easkey. GAA is a minority sport in some of our bigger towns Ballymote, Cooloney, Ballisodare, Enniscrone. What are the County Board doing to resurrect GAA in these areas?
Reason for our poor performance at under 21 level in recent years apart from 2014 is down to little or no preparation. The difference in players like C Brehony, Davey, McDonnell at u21 and senior level says it all. Players looked disinterested at the under 21 level as they knew they hadn't the preparation behind them. During the Walsh era he rarely gave the u21 management access to their players even forcing them to play a senior challenge a few days before the Connaught final. The County board allowed this to happen and seem to put all the focus on the senior team to the detriment of the under 21 team and the clubs.
The club scene is definitely a big problem in Sligo football. For a start, I feel we have clubs who have way too big of catchment areas. You look at the likes of Johns and all the underage successes they have enjoyed over the past 20 years or so, why has this never really transferred into senior, a lot of their best players for the underage teams never develop and many of them don't even play senior football. Johns and Marys must be two of the biggest clubs in terms of playing pick in the whole of Connacht but they have only shared one senior club championship between them in this millennium and this is despite them dominant A teams underage for the last 15 years. Harps are another side who have far too big of an area to pick from, there could easily be three clubs in that area and I think it's very damaging for the development of the game there which is why I feel they have fallen off so badly in recent years. It's not so long ago since their intermediate team were making Championship finals. I feel when clubs have such big areas to pick from they let young lads slip through their grasp much easier whereas this wouldn't be the case in normal circumstances.
Of course, soccer is a big factor but other than that you need a county board willing to put all its resources into areas where the game is dead. It's sad to see the way the GAA is in towns like Ballymote, Collooney and Ballisodare where it seems to have no interest at underage levels.
A bloke I work with is a mad soccer fan and into most sports. The other evening I got a text from him during the Ros/Sligo game. It was about Stan Bowles. I text him back that I was in Sligo at the game. He was a bit surprised by that. He himself was in Sligo town visiting his mother and it wouldn t enter his mind to go to see his county play. He s never been. Resents it I think. Is that usual for a Sligo townie? I can t understand it?
Then again I ve never been to a Sligo Rovers game and a few from around here go regular.
What's the problem here?
The guy doesn't like GAA, what's the big deal with that?
Not everyone in the country likes or cares about GAA. Why should they?
Laoislad - if you read the post above it is more than not liking GAA. There is a widespread hatred and resentment of the GAA to the point where people love seeing Sligo lose (they're happy a lot!!!). I don't like that and I suppose I would have been as bad when I was younger in regard to Sligo Rovers.
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That's a huge slice of the population not involved. If you took Ballina and Castlebar out of Mayo football history it would leave some hole. The towns have produced some of the greats.
Many townies play with Sligo down the years? Is Barry O Mahoney involved this year. He's a townie, isn t he? Looked good when I saw him as a youngster a few years ago.
Oh dear...
*holds Seanie back*
Hahaha!
For those not in the know....in our club we (well definitely me) get touchy at being called townies. We most certainly are not but sometimes (perhaps mischieviously??) lads from other parts of the county tar us with that brush.
Lovely part of the world. Is there a finer sight in Ireland than to stand at the top of Knocknarea, commune with the Goddess Maeve, down then to Strandhill for an ice-cream at Mammy Johnstons, across the street for a bite to eat and a pint at The Strand, a seaweed bath and a bit of surfing. Good luck against Mayo.
I'm hopelessly biased so of course I agree. I just think it's an amazing place. Ran the mountain loop from my parents house for the first time this year last week and it's just a gorgeous run (punctuated by some vicious hills but for every up there's a down). It's sensational today.
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Sligo have probably underperformed in terms of Connacht titles - current population is 65k compared with 31k for Leitrim and 65k for Roscommon.
The strength of soccer in Sligo town and the big interest in rallying probably explains some of it
That's completely the wrong way to look at it, we have 26 clubs, Leitrim have 28 and some of their clubs have 3 teams, add in the fact that of all the counties Sligo has by far and away the lowest population of gaa families which im convinced is a measurable factor that no one takes into account. You have to look at playing population rather then population imo. We have a serious chance under a very good manager like Carew to make hay, with our minors this year have serious players if we can just hold it together next few years. We do have I think the worst county board in Ireland which hits us with clubs and standard and structures within the county. Also the shocking bad choices of managers over the yrs has handicapped us at underage and senior and cost us titles but we got lucky with carew and he will maximise the potential of the seniors. Sligo has underachieved imo but our biggest issue is very good astute clubmen turning their back on gaa and absolute numpties thinking there great. The infighting at cb level was to blame for the post 2012 horror shows as walsh was kept on is a prime example, men in there power hungry and if there not involved they want Sligo to fail type stuff.
LOL at rallying btw
Look at the make up of the underage teams over the last few years and the current senior team. The majority of players are from the South and North divisions. What has happened to clubs who provided a lot of players in previous years the former strongholds of Shamrock Gaels, Eastern Harps, Easkey. GAA is a minority sport in some of our bigger towns Ballymote, Cooloney, Ballisodare, Enniscrone. What are the County Board doing to resurrect GAA in these areas?
Reason for our poor performance at under 21 level in recent years apart from 2014 is down to little or no preparation. The difference in players like C Brehony, Davey, McDonnell at u21 and senior level says it all. Players looked disinterested at the under 21 level as they knew they hadn't the preparation behind them. During the Walsh era he rarely gave the u21 management access to their players even forcing them to play a senior challenge a few days before the Connaught final. The County board allowed this to happen and seem to put all the focus on the senior team to the detriment of the under 21 team and the clubs.
The club scene is definitely a big problem in Sligo football. For a start, I feel we have clubs who have way too big of catchment areas. You look at the likes of Johns and all the underage successes they have enjoyed over the past 20 years or so, why has this never really transferred into senior, a lot of their best players for the underage teams never develop and many of them don't even play senior football. Johns and Marys must be two of the biggest clubs in terms of playing pick in the whole of Connacht but they have only shared one senior club championship between them in this millennium and this is despite them dominant A teams underage for the last 15 years. Harps are another side who have far too big of an area to pick from, there could easily be three clubs in that area and I think it's very damaging for the development of the game there which is why I feel they have fallen off so badly in recent years. It's not so long ago since their intermediate team were making Championship finals. I feel when clubs have such big areas to pick from they let young lads slip through their grasp much easier whereas this wouldn't be the case in normal circumstances.
Of course, soccer is a big factor but other than that you need a county board willing to put all its resources into areas where the game is dead. It's sad to see the way the GAA is in towns like Ballymote, Collooney and Ballisodare where it seems to have no interest at underage levels.
A bloke I work with is a mad soccer fan and into most sports. The other evening I got a text from him during the Ros/Sligo game. It was about Stan Bowles. I text him back that I was in Sligo at the game. He was a bit surprised by that. He himself was in Sligo town visiting his mother and it wouldn t enter his mind to go to see his county play. He s never been. Resents it I think. Is that usual for a Sligo townie? I can t understand it?
Then again I ve never been to a Sligo Rovers game and a few from around here go regular.
That type of attitude would be widespread in Sligo town.
Could the fact be that Sligo town was once a busy port and that the English army had a big presence in the place for many generations?
If you consider all the port town in the country you'll find that soccer is strong in every one of them, from Drogheda right around the coast to Galway. ( I think you could add Ballina in as well.)
The same can be said for ports in Norn Iron.
Also, in towns that once had an army barracks you'll find soccer is thje predominant sport. I'm think of the likes of Longford and Athlone here.
Even in my home town of Swinford when I was growing up, there was a sharp divide between those who lived in "The Lane," and the rest of the parish. For all I know there could a bit of a divide there still.
The fact that about 50% of the county's population live in Sligo could help explain the fact that the GAA isn't the number one sport in the county.
Lar - it's a garrison town so yeah, that's the main reason. You'd want to talk to my Dad about it. He grew up in the town and remembers union jacks flying at the end of WW2 and at other times after that. He would say there's "nothing Irish" about Sligo town.
Anthony Moyles and Colm Parkinson fairly savaged John Evans on Off The Ball last night.
I was in Sligo wan weekend, turned out Derry City were playing Sligo rovers in a cup game At the same time. So Anyways me and my mate went over to see the game; we left at half-time.
Anyways it was Kilkenny v tip in the all Ireland 2 days later and us being in sligo and pissed decided whoever won we were for the celebrations in that county. The cats won, I had a pish next to Tommy walsh when in Kilkenny and it was a fecking mad week.
Moral of the story, don't get pissed in Sligo or you'll be skint.
Just thinking I may have rolled two stories into one there, but anyway, enjoyed my time in Sligo.
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I was in Sligo wan weekend, turned out Derry City were playing in them in a cup game I think. Anyways me and my mate went over to see the game; we left at half-time.
Anyways it was Kilkenny v tip in the all Ireland 2 days later and us being in sligo and pissed decided whoever won we were for the celebrations in that county. The cats won, I had a push next to Tommy walsh and it was a fecking mad week b
Moral of the story, don't get pissed in Sligo or you'll be skint.
Just thinking I may have rolled two stories into one there, but anyway, enjoyed my time in Sligo.
You went to the wrong pubs.
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Sligo have probably underperformed in terms of Connacht titles - current population is 65k compared with 31k for Leitrim and 65k for Roscommon.
The strength of soccer in Sligo town and the big interest in rallying probably explains some of it
That's completely the wrong way to look at it, we have 26 clubs, Leitrim have 28 and some of their clubs have 3 teams, add in the fact that of all the counties Sligo has by far and away the lowest population of gaa families which im convinced is a measurable factor that no one takes into account. You have to look at playing population rather then population imo. We have a serious chance under a very good manager like Carew to make hay, with our minors this year have serious players if we can just hold it together next few years. We do have I think the worst county board in Ireland which hits us with clubs and standard and structures within the county. Also the shocking bad choices of managers over the yrs has handicapped us at underage and senior and cost us titles but we got lucky with carew and he will maximise the potential of the seniors. Sligo has underachieved imo but our biggest issue is very good astute clubmen turning their back on gaa and absolute numpties thinking there great. The infighting at cb level was to blame for the post 2012 horror shows as walsh was kept on is a prime example, men in there power hungry and if there not involved they want Sligo to fail type stuff.
LOL at rallying btw
Look at the make up of the underage teams over the last few years and the current senior team. The majority of players are from the South and North divisions. What has happened to clubs who provided a lot of players in previous years the former strongholds of Shamrock Gaels, Eastern Harps, Easkey. GAA is a minority sport in some of our bigger towns Ballymote, Cooloney, Ballisodare, Enniscrone. What are the County Board doing to resurrect GAA in these areas?
Reason for our poor performance at under 21 level in recent years apart from 2014 is down to little or no preparation. The difference in players like C Brehony, Davey, McDonnell at u21 and senior level says it all. Players looked disinterested at the under 21 level as they knew they hadn't the preparation behind them. During the Walsh era he rarely gave the u21 management access to their players even forcing them to play a senior challenge a few days before the Connaught final. The County board allowed this to happen and seem to put all the focus on the senior team to the detriment of the under 21 team and the clubs.
The club scene is definitely a big problem in Sligo football. For a start, I feel we have clubs who have way too big of catchment areas. You look at the likes of Johns and all the underage successes they have enjoyed over the past 20 years or so, why has this never really transferred into senior, a lot of their best players for the underage teams never develop and many of them don't even play senior football. Johns and Marys must be two of the biggest clubs in terms of playing pick in the whole of Connacht but they have only shared one senior club championship between them in this millennium and this is despite them dominant A teams underage for the last 15 years. Harps are another side who have far too big of an area to pick from, there could easily be three clubs in that area and I think it's very damaging for the development of the game there which is why I feel they have fallen off so badly in recent years. It's not so long ago since their intermediate team were making Championship finals. I feel when clubs have such big areas to pick from they let young lads slip through their grasp much easier whereas this wouldn't be the case in normal circumstances.
Of course, soccer is a big factor but other than that you need a county board willing to put all its resources into areas where the game is dead. It's sad to see the way the GAA is in towns like Ballymote, Collooney and Ballisodare where it seems to have no interest at underage levels.
A bloke I work with is a mad soccer fan and into most sports. The other evening I got a text from him during the Ros/Sligo game. It was about Stan Bowles. I text him back that I was in Sligo at the game. He was a bit surprised by that. He himself was in Sligo town visiting his mother and it wouldn t enter his mind to go to see his county play. He s never been. Resents it I think. Is that usual for a Sligo townie? I can t understand it?
Then again I ve never been to a Sligo Rovers game and a few from around here go regular.
What's the problem here?
The guy doesn't like GAA, what's the big deal with that?
Not everyone in the country likes or cares about GAA. Why should they?
He likes sport though. I like sport and like to watch all main sports, I would even watch American football, but for the fact it's on late on a Sunday night, but this fella apparently likes sports but doesn't like GAA. I find that hard to understand myself, he could have an interest in it despite not going to matches. I put the part in bold that I can't really fathom myself.
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Sligo have probably underperformed in terms of Connacht titles - current population is 65k compared with 31k for Leitrim and 65k for Roscommon.
The strength of soccer in Sligo town and the big interest in rallying probably explains some of it
That's completely the wrong way to look at it, we have 26 clubs, Leitrim have 28 and some of their clubs have 3 teams, add in the fact that of all the counties Sligo has by far and away the lowest population of gaa families which im convinced is a measurable factor that no one takes into account. You have to look at playing population rather then population imo. We have a serious chance under a very good manager like Carew to make hay, with our minors this year have serious players if we can just hold it together next few years. We do have I think the worst county board in Ireland which hits us with clubs and standard and structures within the county. Also the shocking bad choices of managers over the yrs has handicapped us at underage and senior and cost us titles but we got lucky with carew and he will maximise the potential of the seniors. Sligo has underachieved imo but our biggest issue is very good astute clubmen turning their back on gaa and absolute numpties thinking there great. The infighting at cb level was to blame for the post 2012 horror shows as walsh was kept on is a prime example, men in there power hungry and if there not involved they want Sligo to fail type stuff.
LOL at rallying btw
Look at the make up of the underage teams over the last few years and the current senior team. The majority of players are from the South and North divisions. What has happened to clubs who provided a lot of players in previous years the former strongholds of Shamrock Gaels, Eastern Harps, Easkey. GAA is a minority sport in some of our bigger towns Ballymote, Cooloney, Ballisodare, Enniscrone. What are the County Board doing to resurrect GAA in these areas?
Reason for our poor performance at under 21 level in recent years apart from 2014 is down to little or no preparation. The difference in players like C Brehony, Davey, McDonnell at u21 and senior level says it all. Players looked disinterested at the under 21 level as they knew they hadn't the preparation behind them. During the Walsh era he rarely gave the u21 management access to their players even forcing them to play a senior challenge a few days before the Connaught final. The County board allowed this to happen and seem to put all the focus on the senior team to the detriment of the under 21 team and the clubs.
The club scene is definitely a big problem in Sligo football. For a start, I feel we have clubs who have way too big of catchment areas. You look at the likes of Johns and all the underage successes they have enjoyed over the past 20 years or so, why has this never really transferred into senior, a lot of their best players for the underage teams never develop and many of them don't even play senior football. Johns and Marys must be two of the biggest clubs in terms of playing pick in the whole of Connacht but they have only shared one senior club championship between them in this millennium and this is despite them dominant A teams underage for the last 15 years. Harps are another side who have far too big of an area to pick from, there could easily be three clubs in that area and I think it's very damaging for the development of the game there which is why I feel they have fallen off so badly in recent years. It's not so long ago since their intermediate team were making Championship finals. I feel when clubs have such big areas to pick from they let young lads slip through their grasp much easier whereas this wouldn't be the case in normal circumstances.
Of course, soccer is a big factor but other than that you need a county board willing to put all its resources into areas where the game is dead. It's sad to see the way the GAA is in towns like Ballymote, Collooney and Ballisodare where it seems to have no interest at underage levels.
A bloke I work with is a mad soccer fan and into most sports. The other evening I got a text from him during the Ros/Sligo game. It was about Stan Bowles. I text him back that I was in Sligo at the game. He was a bit surprised by that. He himself was in Sligo town visiting his mother and it wouldn t enter his mind to go to see his county play. He s never been. Resents it I think. Is that usual for a Sligo townie? I can t understand it?
Then again I ve never been to a Sligo Rovers game and a few from around here go regular.
What's the problem here?
The guy doesn't like GAA, what's the big deal with that?
Not everyone in the country likes or cares about GAA. Why should they?
He likes sport though. I like sport and like to watch all main sports, I would even watch American football, but for the fact it's on late on a Sunday night, but this fella apparently likes sports but doesn't like GAA. I find that hard to understand myself, he could have an interest in it despite not going to matches. I put the part in bold that I can't really fathom myself.
If he resents it then yeah fair enough I don't understand it.At the end of the day it's only a game and not really that important that you would resent it.
If he just doesn't like it then I can completely understand it.
I would consider myself a big sports fan but I wouldn't cross the road to watch some sports like Rugby or Tennis.
I really don't understand why you can't understand why someone wouldn't like GAA.
A bit late with a post about the match but a lot of what I posted earlier in the thread came to fruition.
Sligo management installed a game plan and the team pulled it off more or less to perfection.That was the major difference between both teams.From what I seen we went out with very little instruction only to run at the Sligo defence which I think our management underestimated. Sligo's hunger and desire was evident from the very start and we seemed to be way off the pace which is strange considering our management were supposedly pinpointing this game as a catalyst for a Connacht final challenge.
Same strange positional changes before the game and the decision to start two players obviously not fit enough was very amateurish.
Under the current set up we have had very good league campaigns but our championship record under the same management is poor.
We haven't beaten a top side in championship or won a championship game of note for a long time.Our best performance in championship under Evans was last year in the Hyde against Mayo any other performance has been fairly average.
Evans should get the chance to turn it around for the qualifiers but a win is a most in my opinion against Cavan anything less and he has to go.
We have to be realistic about where we are as a side and while being in Division 1 is great we have to take stock of our championship record over the last three years and how we have performed.Its been simply not good enough and to be honest until we start realising we still aren't a top eight side yet never mind a top 4 side then and only then can this side start trying to put their minds to staying in the championship for as long as possible.