It's a bit like Maradona managing Argentina.
What's the point of rhetorical questions?
They should really have entered the senior championship.
Probably Donegal Minors!!
Was mighty seeing Larry running across the sacred turf yesterday. Fine minor team, but let's hope they don't get hyped up too much just for beating a very poor Monaghan team.
I've been involved in schools and colleges football for a good few years now and I would tip Cavan minors for Ulster at very least. It's not an over night success Cavan are doing things well at development stage. They are reaping the rewards now at both schools and minor/U.21 level.
Cavan will be in the shake up come Aug/Sep too IMO
Where or when does it all go wrong for Cavan football?
Quote from: ck on May 25, 2015, 11:24:43 PM
I've been involved in schools and colleges football for a good few years now and I would tip Cavan minors for Ulster at very least. It's not an over night success Cavan are doing things well at development stage. They are reaping the rewards now at both schools and minor/U.21 level.
Cavan will be in the shake up come Aug/Sep too IMO
Donegal too good for them but Cavan should make the final.
Quote from: Main Street on May 26, 2015, 12:54:36 AM
Where or when does it all go wrong for Cavan football?
It's simple, Cavan are not producing enough top quality forwards. Your defensive coaching style means that you are producing workers and grafters who can play but you are lacking the free scoring men like the Brogans, O'Donaghue or Michael Murphy. These lads are the difference in good teams becoming top teams. Cavan are a good team and likely to remain so.
I am hearing that your minors have some serious scoring power. I just hope that isn't coached out of them and they become sweepers or half forwards!
Cavan Donegal final would be tasty, two quality sides.
Quote from: ck on May 26, 2015, 10:02:29 AM
Quote from: Main Street on May 26, 2015, 12:54:36 AM
Where or when does it all go wrong for Cavan football?
It's simple, Cavan are not producing enough top quality forwards. Your defensive coaching style means that you are producing workers and grafters who can play but you are lacking the free scoring men like the Brogans, O'Donaghue or Michael Murphy. These lads are the difference in good teams becoming top teams. Cavan are a good team and likely to remain so.
I am hearing that your minors have some serious scoring power. I just hope that isn't coached out of them and they become sweepers or half forwards!
I think there is truth in that but you have to remember where this started, we had a senior team that was so poor it nearly went to Div 4 for the first time in our history. We needed to dedicated grafters etc to build a foundation and that has got us to Div 2. Now it is time to expand on this and start producing forwards. We have a few young lads namely Ryan Connolly and Tom Hayes in the U21s, This minor team also looks to have some quality. They are there at the moment but may need a good few years to be up to inter county standard.
Only Larry Reilly.
Plus he won't tell the like of us how he'll do it, if indeed he intends to do it at all.
There is a classic paradox which poses the question, "What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?"
The answer is, "9 months later, Larry Reilly is born".
Cavan minors 15/2 for All-Ireland
Quote from: ck on May 26, 2015, 10:02:29 AM
Quote from: Main Street on May 26, 2015, 12:54:36 AM
Where or when does it all go wrong for Cavan football?
It's simple, Cavan are not producing enough top quality forwards. Your defensive coaching style means that you are producing workers and grafters who can play but you are lacking the free scoring men like the Brogans, O'Donaghue or Michael Murphy. These lads are the difference in good teams becoming top teams. Cavan are a good team and likely to remain so.
I am hearing that your minors have some serious scoring power. I just hope that isn't coached out of them and they become sweepers or half forwards!
Hard to say what's happening to the young forward talent,
Ryan McAnespie is just about the only Monaghan minor from the 2013 team that has made it through so far, he's the smallish live wire kid with the reddish hair, mostly he had to graft around midfield on sunday and try to carry the ball through the first Cavan wall of flailing arms (and more). He's a rare gem of a player and in ordinary circumstances he would be doing all his damage to the opposition in the final 1/4 of the field.
Larry is a selector not the manager. Good minor team , they don't play the defensive system, go man to man. Few very good inside forwards Robbie Fitzpatrick and Thomas Edward Donahoe.
Minor team will be strong next year, team that beat Dublin last year in the gerry reilly final
Quote from: ONeill on May 25, 2015, 12:37:54 AM
It's a bit like Maradona managing Argentina.
So you're saying he's the most clueless manager ever?
Cavan minors going all out attack is the way forward for the county as they may produce a few key scoring men which they badly need.
What is Larry Reillys role then?
Quote from: ck on May 27, 2015, 10:41:59 AM
Cavan minors going all out attack is the way forward for the county as they may produce a few key scoring men which they badly need.
What is Larry Reillys role then?
He sired all of them
Quote from: blanketattack on May 27, 2015, 09:29:51 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 25, 2015, 12:37:54 AM
It's a bit like Maradona managing Argentina.
So you're saying he's the most clueless manager ever?
One doesn't simply manage, followers shall be guided by the light of omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence.
Quote from: muppet on May 27, 2015, 12:14:15 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on May 27, 2015, 09:29:51 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 25, 2015, 12:37:54 AM
It's a bit like Maradona managing Argentina.
So you're saying he's the most clueless manager ever?
One doesn't simply manage, followers shall be guided by the light of omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence.
A lot of omnis there Muppet.
Job lot?
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 28, 2015, 09:43:02 AM
Quote from: muppet on May 27, 2015, 12:14:15 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on May 27, 2015, 09:29:51 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 25, 2015, 12:37:54 AM
It's a bit like Maradona managing Argentina.
So you're saying he's the most clueless manager ever?
One doesn't simply manage, followers shall be guided by the light of omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence.
A lot of omnis there Muppet.
Job lot?
Word of the day one week last year.
Cavan 1/8 for tomorrow. Antrim will get a lift from their seniors today but it's hard to see them coming close to this excellent Cavan team.
We will see how excellent (or not) Cavan are as Monaghan were nothing short of dire the last day.
I'd imagine Antrim will be only too keen to get to Breffni today and see if they can exploit our management's insistence on going man to man and focussing on attack.
Quote from: Westside on June 21, 2015, 01:41:10 PM
I'd imagine Antrim will be only too keen to get to Breffni today and see if they can exploit our management's insistence on going man to man and focussing on attack.
Surely ye should be happy about a more attack-focused underage team? Sounds like exactly what Cavan football needs to be coming on stream to complete the puzzle.
Quote from: Syferus on June 21, 2015, 01:59:15 PM
Quote from: Westside on June 21, 2015, 01:41:10 PM
I'd imagine Antrim will be only too keen to get to Breffni today and see if they can exploit our management's insistence on going man to man and focussing on attack.
Surely ye should be happy about a more attack-focused underage team? Sounds like exactly what Cavan football needs to be coming on stream to complete the puzzle.
Attack minded is good but the comments that came from the camp were bordering on naive if you take them at face value - they said they would play no sweepers and go all out attack. If they do make the final and play like that against most likely donegal then they will be beaten.
I suppose I'm just looking for a happy medium Syferus. I don't want to see the management stubbornly sticking to a man to man game if it means we end up losing. Sometimes you just need to batten down the hatches, particularly to come through Ulster. If we can come out and outshoot Antrim and win then great, if it's not working and we need to get into a dogfight then I hope that's something we can do.
Sounds like Antrim are doing just as I guessed, lot of men back and Cavan struggling early on.
For the long term good of Cavan football an attacking strategy would sound like a very sensible way forward. They'll concede against Antrim (who I hear are a damn fine side) but should have too much attacking power.
Larry's going f**king mental.
Antrim 9-5 up at half time.
It'll be extremely annoying if we don't even compete in this game because we weren't prepared for playing against a defensive unit. No excuse for it.
Quote from: Westside on June 21, 2015, 02:53:10 PM
It'll be extremely annoying if we don't even compete in this game because we weren't prepared for playing against a defensive unit. No excuse for it.
Ye weren't prepared to play against a defensive unit? Why not??
Quote from: ck on June 21, 2015, 02:54:23 PM
Quote from: Westside on June 21, 2015, 02:53:10 PM
It'll be extremely annoying if we don't even compete in this game because we weren't prepared for playing against a defensive unit. No excuse for it.
Ye weren't prepared to play against a defensive unit? Why not??
Our manager is on record as saying he is going to attack attack attack, no sweeper no defensive systems. Sounds great in theory but its extremely naive talk (if you take it at face value). The question is were the cavan management so disrepectful of Antrim that they just thought their "attacking brilliance" would blow them away. Those were the vibes I've been hearing. They are 4 points down now so time will tell whether they can turn it around.
Lewis Fay Cooper on for Cavan. Bound to be good.
That's exactly it Myles. They should have been prepared to go out and match the defensive structure of Antrim. Hopefully they can turn it around but this sounds a bit like the Roscommon Sligo game from yesterday.
All square now after 43 mins. 12 each.
Quote from: Westside on June 21, 2015, 03:01:32 PM
That's exactly it Myles. They should have been prepared to go out and match the defensive structure of Antrim. Hopefully they can turn it around but this sounds a bit like the Roscommon Sligo game from yesterday.
The reality is that you've no idea what they've prepared for!
Just because they are attacking side doesn't mean they haven't prepared for facing a defensive unit. A lot of people jump to conclusions without any evidence!
I'm not at the game so was just assuming. They dropped back a sweeper in the second half and totally dominated since that move. Should see it out now.
1-19 to 1-11 final score, 1-13 in 2nd half is some scoring.
Great turnaround in the second half, whatever switches management made sound to have worked a treat. Donegal looking very imposing on the other side of the draw and they are heavy favourites even before meeting Derry. Two more games at least for the lads though and that will bring them on a lot.
A conversation with people involved in development squads last weekend told me that the best 5 minor teams in Ulster were in the other half of the draw?
That sounds like bullshit to me unless you think the ulster league is a measure of the quality of teams, which it clearly isn't.
The summary was based on 17s and 16s the last two years and endorsed by league results. No possible truth to the logic?
Fermanagh and Antrim are inevitably the weakest in Ulster underage competitions every year. Hard to think that Cavan could be the sixth best team in Ulster given that the majority of the team won a McRory Cup this year and some will have won the Gerry Reilly U-16 tournament last year.
Quote from: Itchy on June 21, 2015, 04:32:24 PM
That sounds like bullshit to me unless you think the ulster league is a measure of the quality of teams, which it clearly isn't.
Well seeing as the last 3 Ulster League winners have also gone on to win the Championship, I'm making it a very useful baromoter of ability. I haven't looked beyond then as it's a curse to find ulster minor league results, but I guessing this is a trend with a bit of legs.
Having seen all the Ulster minor teams this year I'd be 100% confident that nobody will even slightly worry Donegal. It'll take something extraordinary to stop them winning the AI too, as they're genuinely an exceptional team, one that is tactically more astute than most senior county teams.
Cavan have enjoyed a handy run this year. I don't know if I'd go so far as to suggest they're 5th or 6th in Ulster, but I would hand on heart say that every team on the opposite side of the draw would have made the Ulster final had they been able to swap positions with Cavan. It's as lopsided as they come.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 21, 2015, 09:04:34 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 21, 2015, 04:32:24 PM
That sounds like bullshit to me unless you think the ulster league is a measure of the quality of teams, which it clearly isn't.
Well seeing as the last 3 Ulster League winners have also gone on to win the Championship, I'm making it a very useful baromoter of ability. I haven't looked beyond then as it's a curse to find ulster minor league results, but I guessing this is a trend with a bit of legs.
Having seen all the Ulster minor teams this year I'd be 100% confident that nobody will even slightly worry Donegal. It'll take something extraordinary to stop them winning the AI too, as they're genuinely an exceptional team, one that is tactically more astute than most senior county teams.
Cavan have enjoyed a handy run this year. I don't know if I'd go so far as to suggest they're 5th or 6th in Ulster, but I would hand on heart say that every team on the opposite side of the draw would have made the Ulster final had they been able to swap positions with Cavan. It's as lopsided as they come.
I've just looked at league results there and Antrim were Donegals tightest game in the league with Donegal pipping them by two points. Cavan played the league without their McRory cup lads so you can hardly judge them on the league. To me Cavan are in the Ulster final on merit. They have now scored 3-36 in 2 championship games. They'll be damn hard to stop
Cavan didn't have the Pats players during the Ulster Minor League - so using its as a baromoter doesn't make much sense.
Cavan would have had their MacRory players for their final group game, plus the plate semi final.
Anyway if it's barometers we are looking for, the correlation between Macrory cup and Ulster minor success is almost non existent. It'll be one for the books if Cavan turn that on its head.
By the way I never suggested that Cavan aren't in the final on merit. Championship football is about winning and Cavan have done just that.
Cavan are likely to meet the two All Ireland favourites in the next two fixtures if the games pan out as the odds suggest, Donegal and Dublin. Beating either would certainly be a big upset but I feel we're in the final on merit. You can only beat whats in front of you. Ulster Minor League means very little. We were poor in 2011 in the League and went on to win Ulster.
They had Macrory players coming back who had knocks. Only 3 I think played in those 2 games.
Donegal have a big number from last year's team/panel available and will be the team to beat. Derry have Conor Glass - probaly the best Minor footballer at this level, so they should be stern enough opponents.
Derry 3-2 up.
#doitforlarry