The new rules for the naming of championship teams are in place now.
So far only Leitrim have actually named their full 26 - Galway, Westmeath and Offaly have named only their starting 15. No sign of Donegal, Tyrone, Louth or Longford.
Anyone think that the GAA should publish the full 26 for all teams on their main site at something like 12pm ?
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/1405151343-new-rules-for-team-lists-and-match-day-panels/
Delighted to see this and hopefully rules will be implemented, no other sport has the childish attitude to dummy teams and a host of late changes to published teams.
On a related note, at the recent league finals, Armagh must have had 15-20 subs togged out yet I presume only numbers 16-26 could have been involved, therefore why bother going through the charade of togging out when you cant play?
Team spirit and sense of belonging etc.
Quote from: Qwerty28 on May 14, 2015, 10:53:25 PM
Delighted to see this and hopefully rules will be implemented, no other sport has the childish attitude to dummy teams and a host of late changes to published teams.
On a related note, at the recent league finals, Armagh must have had 15-20 subs togged out yet I presume only numbers 16-26 could have been involved, therefore why bother going through the charade of togging out when you cant play?
They should name their teams an hour before throw in. Naming a team midweek is ridiculous
Agreed but that needs panel numbers because of programs
Quote from: DuffleKing on May 14, 2015, 11:32:43 PM
Quote from: Qwerty28 on May 14, 2015, 10:53:25 PM
Delighted to see this and hopefully rules will be implemented, no other sport has the childish attitude to dummy teams and a host of late changes to published teams.
On a related note, at the recent league finals, Armagh must have had 15-20 subs togged out yet I presume only numbers 16-26 could have been involved, therefore why bother going through the charade of togging out when you cant play?
They should name their teams an hour before throw in. Naming a team midweek is ridiculous
Why's that? Naming a team an hour before throw in is nonsensical, if you're suggesting that then you may as well suggest not naming teams at all and we can just find out once they take the field. It would be very rare that a manager would not know if a player would be fit enough to start by the Wednesday before the match. It's nonsense from GAA managers and nothing else.
When they take to the field is time enough for me.
You know who united are fielding four days before a game?
When you think about the dynamics of gaelic football, surely 2/3 players in any team might have the potential to fall short of match fitness in the final few days?
The tannoy redundant so. What about the down lad who got poleaxed in the warm up. Stevie o Neill done the same nfl final 2 years ago.
Quote from: DuffleKing on May 15, 2015, 12:47:30 AM
When they take to the field is time enough for me.
You know who united are fielding four days before a game?
When you think about the dynamics of gaelic football, surely 2/3 players in any team might have the potential to fall short of match fitness in the final few days?
There are many many things in soccer that we should strive to avoif mimicking, and one of them is the over-emphasis on management ahead of players.
I stopped reading Sunday paper match reviews a few years ago as a trend emerged where journos would write 10 paragraphs around the story of the game, and only two about the action. The 10 paras almost always focus on the words and actions of the managers, with journalists promoting and celebrating tactical battles and outwittery that simply doesn't actually happen.
Allowing managers to name teams close to throw-in will only see more of this culture creep into GAA. Sport should be about players, first and foremost.
Quote from: DuffleKing on May 15, 2015, 12:47:30 AM
When they take to the field is time enough for me.
You know who united are fielding four days before a game?
When you think about the dynamics of gaelic football, surely 2/3 players in any team might have the potential to fall short of match fitness in the final few days?
Don't know what they do in soccer but in a sport with a 10 month season and 50+ games I can understand if they don't name teams in advance. However, in the GAA where a team might play 7 - 8 games in a 5 month period surely that isn't much of an imposition? Of course there might be the odd genuine injury concern but in recent years teams were being named that everyone knew wouldn't start. It was getting ridiculous.
I think it's daft. The only rationale I can see for naming teams in advance is the program. And then you have the farcical 'we have 6 changes on the Clare team' situation.
They should name the championship panel at the start of the year, and allocate numbers 1-30. If a new player comes onto the panel, give him number 31 for the year. Then each program could simply list the panel with their numbers, and leave a space beside each player for the reader to tick whether is is starting or not. If they give a shite.
Then the manager could name his team an hour before throw in, and no one would take any notice. In fact it would be a good conversation piece coming up to the game.
Under these new rules couldn't managers still make a number of late changes to their starting fifteen from the eleven subs selected?
I'm a bit confused about this rule.
When the team is named on the Thursday morning, does this team have to start the game or can some of the subs number 16-26 start instead of the 1-15?
If nos. 16-26 can start then I see how this new rule is solving the perceived problem.
If no changes can be made to nos 1-15, what happens if a lad get a late injury?
I'm obviously missing something!
Please help me out here! :)
As I was typing, you made a very similar point to me captain. :)
I don't see how they can make this rule stick, there are so many caveats as to make it completely ineffective. But, in general, I wish managers would name the effin' team during the week. The only ones they are fooling with all these dummy teams is themselves.
Quote from: deiseach on May 15, 2015, 09:31:17 AM
I don't see how they can make this rule stick, there are so many caveats as to make it completely ineffective. But, in general, I wish managers would name the effin' team during the week. The only ones they are fooling with all these dummy teams is themselves.
Within reason you are right, but if a lad is struggling for fitness, they might even have a fitness test the morning of the game, now naming him on the Thursday is fine, but then if they don't make it, you're at best one sub short.
Sure did we not have this rule amended the other month due to a Tipp hurler successfully appealing a red card decision to the CCCCCCCCCCC on the friday before the game!
I presume this ill thought out rule was to stop the bolloxology of Davy Fitz and Co, but also for the journalists to give us their insightful pre-match analysis :o
Quote from: deiseach on May 15, 2015, 09:31:17 AM
I don't see how they can make this rule stick, there are so many caveats as to make it completely ineffective. But, in general, I wish managers would name the effin' team during the week. The only ones they are fooling with all these dummy teams is themselves.
Starting 15 can change in whatever way they like from the announced 26 pool.
It makes no sense to me to announce your team to allow the opposition to prepare for some possible tactical nuances. If you think teams are in some way confusing themselves you haven't a breeze... they will know their team and set up (within injury parameters) well in advance.
It works perfectly well in rugby.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 15, 2015, 11:21:10 AM
It works perfectly well in rugby.
Completely different game with different dynamics and it only holds for international rugby.
Ireland are hardly likely to start with Paul O'Connell on the wing with the intention of catching the french out with an early bombardment of Garyowens for the big man to chase down?
Like anything else lads if it didn't work no-one would do it. We got great mileage out of it in the old years especially against the Dubs and Kerry. A less useful ruse now because of the extra 2 defenders but still I wouldn't fool yourselves into thinking that it didnt work.
So, lets say I name my team for sunday on thursday as required. I have 2 lads with niggly injuries but i risk them in the 26! Then on saturday a bug is picked up and 5 of the players are sick and cant play.
On sunday morning the 2 injured players are ruled out Leaving me with just 19 available of the 26 named.
I also have 10 fit players who have been part of the panel all year, but they'll be sitting in the stand because this new rule means they cant tog out!
whilst this an extreme hypothetical situation, I think this rule is fundamentally flawed!
Simple solution (IMO) is to name players in a list of numbers from 1-36 (or however how an individual team wants to go). Then before the game, give the team list of the starting 15 to the referee as always.