Since 2011 Donegal have been a top 5 team, winning one All Ireland and getting to two finals and winning 3 Ulster titles also in that period and one would say they are not finished yet with some fantastic players and good structures in place and some of the best fans around.
However, the money and professionalism in which some people would say is driving the game to a new era and what Donegal are doing is against the GAA ethos.
They have players quitting their jobs to become full time professional athletes, numerous training camps at home and abroad funded by millionaire sugar daddies in Britain and the U.S, I believe they are one again this weekend, helicopters to training and matches, the use of a professional soccer teams facilities and medical care.
Are Donegal similar to Chelsea when Abramovich came in, can any other team compete with that level of funding and professionalism except for maybe Dublin, but you would see Dublin players flying around the place in private helicopters never mind the rest of the teams, in particular Ulster teams.
Time for a level playing field, any thoughts?
Why would Dublin players need helicopters when they never have to venture beyond the M50? ;D
Who are these sugar daddies? Does Austin Daly contribute much to the team?
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Who are these sugar daddies? Does Austin Daly contribute much to the team?
Indeed. It's widely known there is one big contributor to the Donegal setup based in London. Who are the others?
@ least they play good open football
Yeah London are very open.
Quote from: J70 on May 08, 2015, 03:14:23 PM
Why would Dublin players need helicopters when they never have to venture beyond the M50? ;D
Have you seen the M50 at rush hour??? Helicopters sound eminently sensible.
What with Donegal Sugar Daddies and Dont Matters claims about Dublins financial advantage it is no wonder Tyrone need to resort to #TheDarkArts to compete!
Dublin have been known train at half six in the morning.
No need for helicopters, no traffic about!
We could do with a sugar daddy in Meath.
Since Noel Keating passed away the lads don't even get a nice bit of free steak anymore.
I strongly suspect Donegal will not be a top four team come the end of the year. They have only one truly outstanding footballer in Karl Lacey, and I think teams will be better prepared to counteract their dull system this year.
McGuinness leaving ended any genuine All-Ireland hopes for this bunch of players.
Quote from: The Stallion on May 09, 2015, 04:46:37 PM
I strongly suspect Donegal will not be a top four team come the end of the year. They have only one truly outstanding footballer in Karl Lacey, and I think teams will be better prepared to counteract their dull system this year.
McGuinness leaving ended any genuine All-Ireland hopes for this bunch of players.
Stallion...yer toot. Lacey, the McGees, Murphy, McBrearty, McNelis (no idea the irish spelling), Gallagher, Mcgrath. ...all top class players
In saying that, I don't think they'll be as competitive this year.
Quote from: The Stallion on May 09, 2015, 04:46:37 PM
I strongly suspect Donegal will not be a top four team come the end of the year. They have only one truly outstanding footballer in Karl Lacey, and I think teams will be better prepared to counteract their dull system this year.
McGuinness leaving ended any genuine All-Ireland hopes for this bunch of players.
Donegal have more quality and more depth this year than at any stage in the last 5 years.
Enough strength to get get to the last 4 without playing dung football.
They will however still play dung football
I hope they beat Tyrone. I say that as an Armagh man. Its not actually anything about Tyrone losing but everything to do with Donegal coming to the Athletic grounds. Might not be a great game for the cameras but will be a bearpit of an atmosphere
Quote from: The Stallion on May 09, 2015, 04:46:37 PM
I strongly suspect Donegal will not be a top four team come the end of the year. They have only one truly outstanding footballer in Karl Lacey, and I think teams will be better prepared to counteract their dull system this year.
McGuinness leaving ended any genuine All-Ireland hopes for this bunch of players.
Every now and again someone sits at a keyboard & posts something that truly takes the breath away.
This is one such post.
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Quote from: The Stallion on May 09, 2015, 04:46:37 PM
I strongly suspect Donegal will not be a top four team come the end of the year. They have only one truly outstanding footballer in Karl Lacey, and I think teams will be better prepared to counteract their dull system this year.
McGuinness leaving ended any genuine All-Ireland hopes for this bunch of players.
Donegal have more quality and more depth this year than at any stage in the last 5 years.
Enough strength to get get to the last 4 without playing dung football.
They will however still play dung football
I hope they beat Tyrone. I say that as an Armagh man. Its not actually anything about Tyrone losing but everything to do with Donegal coming to the Athletic grounds. Might not be a great game for the cameras but will be a bearpit of an atmosphere
Only 19 players started for Donegal in the league while Dublin had 31 different starters (that's just in the regular 7 games)
Donegal's squad depth is wafer thin for a top-table team because you will inevitably get injuries.
They have brought in MacNiallias, McBrearty and a few more but they've also lost Rory Kavanagh, Leo McLoone.
There's also the fact that Gallagher, Toye, Durcan, Eamonn McGee, Colm McFadden and Karl Lacey are all over 30 while other stalwarts likes of Neil McGee, Anthony Thompson and Frank McGlynn are approaching the same 30 mark.
With that sort of age profile it's only a matter of time before we hear the pundits taking about Donegal being in transition.
Karl Lacey at 30 years of age giving up work to concentrate on playing an amateur sport is just plain ridiculous.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 10, 2015, 02:54:48 PM
Karl Lacey at 30 years of age giving up work to concentrate on playing an amateur sport is just plain ridiculous.
Mindboggling. WIth an AI medal already secured Karl should be looking at the realities of life and getting a career for himself
Quote from: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 03:06:44 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 10, 2015, 02:54:48 PM
Karl Lacey at 30 years of age giving up work to concentrate on playing an amateur sport is just plain ridiculous.
Mindboggling. WIth an AI medal already secured Karl should be looking at the realities of life and getting a career for himself
I think that's Lacey's business, to me is says that he sees real possibilities for this team & since he is back to full fitness for the first time in two years he wants to give it everything for six months.
To me, what one of the finest footballers in the country is doing is totally admirable & in contrast to the mendacity & greed that characterises most sport today.
The fact that his selflessness is being criticised here says more about the posters involved than it says about Lacey.
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Quote from: The Stallion on May 09, 2015, 04:46:37 PM
I strongly suspect Donegal will not be a top four team come the end of the year. They have only one truly outstanding footballer in Karl Lacey, and I think teams will be better prepared to counteract their dull system this year.
McGuinness leaving ended any genuine All-Ireland hopes for this bunch of players.
Stallion...yer toot. Lacey, the McGees, Murphy, McBrearty, McNelis (no idea the irish spelling), Gallagher, Mcgrath. ...all top class players
In saying that, I don't think they'll be as competitive this Quote from: JoG2 on May 09, 2015, 05:04:07 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on May 09, 2015, 04:46:37 PM
I strongly suspect Donegal will not be a top four team come the end of the year. They have only one truly outstanding footballer in Karl Lacey, and I think teams will be better prepared to counteract their dull system this year.
McGuinness leaving ended any genuine All-Ireland hopes for this bunch of players.
Stallion...yer toot. Lacey, the McGees, Murphy, McBrearty, McNelis (no idea the irish spelling), Gallagher, Mcgrath. ...all top class players
In saying that, I don't think they'll be as competitive this year.
the mcgees are rubbish,catch ureself on. McGrath worse again. isn't that why mcguiness introduced this system because of the poor quality players in defense. lacey is deadly as is murh and mcneilis.mcbearty and Gallagher are pretty good also. but a bit of honesty at least.id go as far to say that paddy McGrath is the worst c back in county football
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Karl Lacey at 30 years of age giving up work to concentrate on playing an amateur sport is just plain ridiculous.
Mindboggling. WIth an AI medal already secured Karl should be looking at the realities of life and getting a career for himself
Although I don't really think it's the best message to be sending out about the game, he hasn't actually given up work. He has finished his masters and is taking this summer off like a lot of students do at the end of their course (admittedly not at 30 years of age however).
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Quote from: yellowcard on May 10, 2015, 02:54:48 PM
Karl Lacey at 30 years of age giving up work to concentrate on playing an amateur sport is just plain ridiculous.
Mindboggling. WIth an AI medal already secured Karl should be looking at the realities of life and getting a career for himself
I think that's Lacey's business, to me is says that he sees real possibilities for this team & since he is back to full fitness for the first time in two years he wants to give it everything for six months.
To me, what one of the finest footballers in the country is doing is totally admirable & in contrast to the mendacity & greed that characterises most sport today.
The fact that his selflessness is being criticised here says more about the posters involved than it says about Lacey.
Its amateur sport no matter what way it's dressed up. When the crowd stops cheering you're just another ex-county footballer.
If you've no career no number of all ireland medals is going to get you one. It's his business entirely but it's utterly bananas in my view. Its another example of the association out of control.
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Karl Lacey at 30 years of age giving up work to concentrate on playing an amateur sport is just plain ridiculous.
Mindboggling. WIth an AI medal already secured Karl should be looking at the realities of life and getting a career for himself
I'm fairly sure I read somewhere that he finished his masters at the start of the year so it's a lot more than just the summer.
Although I don't really think it's the best message to be sending out about the game, he hasn't actually given up work. He has finished his masters and is taking this summer off like a lot of students do at the end of their course (admittedly not at 30 years of age however).
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Quote from: The Stallion on May 09, 2015, 04:46:37 PM
I strongly suspect Donegal will not be a top four team come the end of the year. They have only one truly outstanding footballer in Karl Lacey, and I think teams will be better prepared to counteract their dull system this year.
McGuinness leaving ended any genuine All-Ireland hopes for this bunch of players.
Every now and again someone sits at a keyboard & posts something that truly takes the breath away.
This is one such post.
beside if you were going to pick one Donegal player it would have to be murphy , possible the best striker of a ball since Maurice fitz
Murphy flatters to deceive. He's never really been a proper marquee forward capable of consistently racking up big scores from play. Plays in fits and starts. Good but not great for me.
The McGees look better than they are because of Donegal's negative defensive tactics, but have been roasted time and time again when asked to man mark quality forwards.
Mcbrearty has promise and Macniallas looked decent, but in terms of individual talent, Donegal wouldn't be in the top five counties. It's the system that has brought them success, not the players
Come off it. Murphy doesn't score as much as he could because he's tasked with running all over the place in Donegal's system and by the fact he draws so much attention (which by itself opens up space for others) but he is easily the best proper FF in the game, and might well be the best in a long while. Scoring is not the only metric to judge a FF by. No other player is as powerful physically and can combine it with as much football skill at that position. His passing is almost as good as his shooting. He is a very rare talent.
Every manager in Ireland would take Murphy if they were offered their choice of Donegal's players.
Quote from: The Stallion on May 11, 2015, 12:57:59 PM
Murphy flatters to deceive. He's never really been a proper marquee forward capable of consistently racking up big scores from play. Plays in fits and starts. Good but not great for me.
The McGees look better than they are because of Donegal's negative defensive tactics, but have been roasted time and time again when asked to man mark quality forwards.
Mcbrearty has promise and Macniallas looked decent, but in terms of individual talent, Donegal wouldn't be in the top five counties. It's the system that has brought them success, not the players
Are you on the wind up about Murphy?!!
This thread has descended into idiocy.
The Stallion is either a WUM or a moron and makes stuff up as he goes along. You only have to look at his ranting in the U21 football thread to see that. Something about Derry people that attracts senior county footballers to confide in them
For a start Lacey stuggled last year in my opinion, and was no where his 2012 level. Murphy is easily the best player on the Donegal team and one of the most talented in Ireland. He may have a point about Eamon McGee, but Neil.. no way haven't seen him roasted ever, best full back in the country easily
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Karl Lacey at 30 years of age giving up work to concentrate on playing an amateur sport is just plain ridiculous.
Mindboggling. WIth an AI medal already secured Karl should be looking at the realities of life and getting a career for himself
I think that's Lacey's business, to me is says that he sees real possibilities for this team & since he is back to full fitness for the first time in two years he wants to give it everything for six months.
To me, what one of the finest footballers in the country is doing is totally admirable & in contrast to the mendacity & greed that characterises most sport today.
The fact that his selflessness is being criticised here says more about the posters involved than it says about Lacey.
Its amateur sport no matter what way it's dressed up. When the crowd stops cheering you're just another ex-county footballer.
If you've no career no number of all ireland medals is going to get you one. It's his business entirely but it's utterly bananas in my view. Its another example of the association out of control.
Its the logical conclusion of where the sport is headed though - professional players in every meaningful way except the payment side. If we are to step back, its going to have to be imposed from above the individual counties.
I can see why he has decided to do it though. The traveling some of these players have to do is ludicrous (Anthony Thompson was coming over from London for the league games this spring FFS, while Durcan finally cracked and left Four Masters for Ballyboden recently). Lacey also has a young family. Presumably his circumstances are such that he can afford it. And its only for a few months, assuming he's not going to remain unemployed for the sake of Four Masters later in the year. Not much difference, to me, than someone taking a year out to travel the world. Lacey is a wee bit different because of his age, but he'd been working earlier in his 20s.
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Quote from: yellowcard on May 10, 2015, 02:54:48 PM
Karl Lacey at 30 years of age giving up work to concentrate on playing an amateur sport is just plain ridiculous.
Mindboggling. WIth an AI medal already secured Karl should be looking at the realities of life and getting a career for himself
I think that's Lacey's business, to me is says that he sees real possibilities for this team & since he is back to full fitness for the first time in two years he wants to give it everything for six months.
To me, what one of the finest footballers in the country is doing is totally admirable & in contrast to the mendacity & greed that characterises most sport today.
The fact that his selflessness is being criticised here says more about the posters involved than it says about Lacey.
Its amateur sport no matter what way it's dressed up. When the crowd stops cheering you're just another ex-county footballer.
If you've no career no number of all ireland medals is going to get you one. It's his business entirely but it's utterly bananas in my view. Its another example of the association out of control.
Its the logical conclusion of where the sport is headed though - professional players in every meaningful way except the payment side. If we are to step back, its going to have to be imposed from above the individual counties.
I can see why he has decided to do it though. The traveling some of these players have to do is ludicrous (Anthony Thompson was coming over from London for the league games this spring FFS, while Durcan finally cracked and left Four Masters for Ballyboden recently). Lacey also has a young family. Presumably his circumstances are such that he can afford it. And its only for a few months, assuming he's not going to remain unemployed for the sake of Four Masters later in the year. Not much difference, to me, than someone taking a year out to travel the world. Lacey is a wee bit different because of his age, but he'd been working earlier in his 20s.
The GAA needs to step the county scene back and accept it for what it is. High level amateur sport.
There is no economy in a professional game unless people want to have a 5-6 team conference.
There are club teams training twice a day all over the country - which is absolutely barmy.
This monastic existence practiced by GAA Teams isn't even mirrored by full time professional athletes.
I'm tired of listening to the 1% arguments and the inches speeches. Its complete bollocks and always has been.
For 90% of the counties they could 1% everything they do in a season and they'll still end up exiting at exactly the same stage.
+1 could not agree more Indy.
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Quote from: The Stallion on May 09, 2015, 04:46:37 PM
I strongly suspect Donegal will not be a top four team come the end of the year. They have only one truly outstanding footballer in Karl Lacey, and I think teams will be better prepared to counteract their dull system this year.
McGuinness leaving ended any genuine All-Ireland hopes for this bunch of players.
Stallion...yer toot. Lacey, the McGees, Murphy, McBrearty, McNelis (no idea the irish spelling), Gallagher, Mcgrath. ...all top class players
In saying that, I don't think they'll be as competitive this Quote from: JoG2 on May 09, 2015, 05:04:07 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on May 09, 2015, 04:46:37 PM
I strongly suspect Donegal will not be a top four team come the end of the year. They have only one truly outstanding footballer in Karl Lacey, and I think teams will be better prepared to counteract their dull system this year.
McGuinness leaving ended any genuine All-Ireland hopes for this bunch of players.
Stallion...yer toot. Lacey, the McGees, Murphy, McBrearty, McNelis (no idea the irish spelling), Gallagher, Mcgrath. ...all top class players
In saying that, I don't think they'll be as competitive this year.
the mcgees are rubbish,catch ureself on. McGrath worse again. isn't that why mcguiness introduced this system because of the poor quality players in defense. lacey is deadly as is murh and mcneilis.mcbearty and Gallagher are pretty good also. but a bit of honesty at least.id go as far to say that paddy McGrath is the worst c back in county football
The McGees rubbish, McGrath, the worst corner back in county football?????
I give up, I just give up.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 10:56:28 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 10, 2015, 08:30:29 PM
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Quote from: yellowcard on May 10, 2015, 02:54:48 PM
Karl Lacey at 30 years of age giving up work to concentrate on playing an amateur sport is just plain ridiculous.
Mindboggling. WIth an AI medal already secured Karl should be looking at the realities of life and getting a career for himself
I think that's Lacey's business, to me is says that he sees real possibilities for this team & since he is back to full fitness for the first time in two years he wants to give it everything for six months.
To me, what one of the finest footballers in the country is doing is totally admirable & in contrast to the mendacity & greed that characterises most sport today.
The fact that his selflessness is being criticised here says more about the posters involved than it says about Lacey.
Its amateur sport no matter what way it's dressed up. When the crowd stops cheering you're just another ex-county footballer.
If you've no career no number of all ireland medals is going to get you one. It's his business entirely but it's utterly bananas in my view. Its another example of the association out of control.
Who says he'll have no career?
Nobody knows better than he does about what life will be like after he retires, which I suspect may well be this year, but he is going to give it one last rattle now that he has regained full fitness.
It's not as if he is dedicating the next ten years to football & leaving his family to starve in a rain swepped hovel on the side of a mountain. They are fully behind him & trust me when I say that Karl will do alright when he decides to leave football behind & take up a career.
As for the comment about the association being "out of control", that's just ludicrous. Lacey is just one of many students taking a bit of time out having finished his studies not to mention the many unemployed lads who train full time because of their circumstances. It's got nothing to do with the association and it's none of their business.
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Quote from: yellowcard on May 10, 2015, 02:54:48 PM
Karl Lacey at 30 years of age giving up work to concentrate on playing an amateur sport is just plain ridiculous.
Mindboggling. WIth an AI medal already secured Karl should be looking at the realities of life and getting a career for himself
I think that's Lacey's business, to me is says that he sees real possibilities for this team & since he is back to full fitness for the first time in two years he wants to give it everything for six months.
To me, what one of the finest footballers in the country is doing is totally admirable & in contrast to the mendacity & greed that characterises most sport today.
The fact that his selflessness is being criticised here says more about the posters involved than it says about Lacey.
Its amateur sport no matter what way it's dressed up. When the crowd stops cheering you're just another ex-county footballer.
If you've no career no number of all ireland medals is going to get you one. It's his business entirely but it's utterly bananas in my view. Its another example of the association out of control.
Its the logical conclusion of where the sport is headed though - professional players in every meaningful way except the payment side. If we are to step back, its going to have to be imposed from above the individual counties.
I can see why he has decided to do it though. The traveling some of these players have to do is ludicrous (Anthony Thompson was coming over from London for the league games this spring FFS, while Durcan finally cracked and left Four Masters for Ballyboden recently). Lacey also has a young family. Presumably his circumstances are such that he can afford it. And its only for a few months, assuming he's not going to remain unemployed for the sake of Four Masters later in the year. Not much difference, to me, than someone taking a year out to travel the world. Lacey is a wee bit different because of his age, but he'd been working earlier in his 20s.
The GAA needs to step the county scene back and accept it for what it is. High level amateur sport.
There is no economy in a professional game unless people want to have a 5-6 team conference.
There are club teams training twice a day all over the country - which is absolutely barmy.
This monastic existence practiced by GAA Teams isn't even mirrored by full time professional athletes.
I'm tired of listening to the 1% arguments and the inches speeches. Its complete bollocks and always has been.
For 90% of the counties they could 1% everything they do in a season and they'll still end up exiting at exactly the same stage.
I don't disagree with what your general point, but I fail to see how it could be made happen.
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Quote from: INDIANA on May 10, 2015, 03:06:44 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 10, 2015, 02:54:48 PM
Karl Lacey at 30 years of age giving up work to concentrate on playing an amateur sport is just plain ridiculous.
Mindboggling. WIth an AI medal already secured Karl should be looking at the realities of life and getting a career for himself
I think that's Lacey's business, to me is says that he sees real possibilities for this team & since he is back to full fitness for the first time in two years he wants to give it everything for six months.
To me, what one of the finest footballers in the country is doing is totally admirable & in contrast to the mendacity & greed that characterises most sport today.
The fact that his selflessness is being criticised here says more about the posters involved than it says about Lacey.
Its amateur sport no matter what way it's dressed up. When the crowd stops cheering you're just another ex-county footballer.
If you've no career no number of all ireland medals is going to get you one. It's his business entirely but it's utterly bananas in my view. Its another example of the association out of control.
Its the logical conclusion of where the sport is headed though - professional players in every meaningful way except the payment side. If we are to step back, its going to have to be imposed from above the individual counties.
I can see why he has decided to do it though. The traveling some of these players have to do is ludicrous (Anthony Thompson was coming over from London for the league games this spring FFS, while Durcan finally cracked and left Four Masters for Ballyboden recently). Lacey also has a young family. Presumably his circumstances are such that he can afford it. And its only for a few months, assuming he's not going to remain unemployed for the sake of Four Masters later in the year. Not much difference, to me, than someone taking a year out to travel the world. Lacey is a wee bit different because of his age, but he'd been working earlier in his 20s.
The GAA needs to step the county scene back and accept it for what it is. High level amateur sport.
There is no economy in a professional game unless people want to have a 5-6 team conference.
There are club teams training twice a day all over the country - which is absolutely barmy.
This monastic existence practiced by GAA Teams isn't even mirrored by full time professional athletes.
I'm tired of listening to the 1% arguments and the inches speeches. Its complete bollocks and always has been.
For 90% of the counties they could 1% everything they do in a season and they'll still end up exiting at exactly the same stage.
I would say there are plenty of swimmers, runners, triathletes, boxers, many of them nominally amateur who might not agree with you but you are right we do need to remember it is an amateur sport.
Karl Lacey is 31 in September, the arguments saying he's a student taking some time off is nonsense unless he is Van Wilder, he obviously is getting some financial backing from somewhere, not all players can afford to become full time professionals. He might be marking a guy in championship who just worked a full week in a busy job when Lacey is strolling out of bed at 11am etc.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on May 12, 2015, 09:53:44 AM
Karl Lacey is 31 in September, the arguments saying he's a student taking some time off is nonsense unless he is Van Wilder, he obviously is getting some financial backing from somewhere, not all players can afford to become full time professionals. He might be marking a guy in championship who just worked a full week in a busy job when Lacey is strolling out of bed at 11am etc.
And he might be marking a student who gets out of bed at 11:00 or a Teacher who gets every summer off.
Maybe we should ban unemployed players as they would have an unfair advantage and have separate White collar and blue collar leagues?
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Quote from: The Aristocrat on May 12, 2015, 09:53:44 AM
Karl Lacey is 31 in September, the arguments saying he's a student taking some time off is nonsense unless he is Van Wilder, he obviously is getting some financial backing from somewhere, not all players can afford to become full time professionals. He might be marking a guy in championship who just worked a full week in a busy job when Lacey is strolling out of bed at 11am etc.
And he might be marking a student who gets out of bed at 11:00 or a Teacher who gets every summer off.
Maybe we should ban unemployed players as they would have an unfair advantage and have separate White collar and blue collar leagues?
That's a fair point Leo, but in relation to Lacey setting a precedent for future players is my concern here but its a small issue compared to the private helicopter scenario.
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Quote from: The Aristocrat on May 12, 2015, 09:53:44 AM
Karl Lacey is 31 in September, the arguments saying he's a student taking some time off is nonsense unless he is Van Wilder, he obviously is getting some financial backing from somewhere, not all players can afford to become full time professionals. He might be marking a guy in championship who just worked a full week in a busy job when Lacey is strolling out of bed at 11am etc.
And he might be marking a student who gets out of bed at 11:00 or a Teacher who gets every summer off.
Maybe we should ban unemployed players as they would have an unfair advantage and have separate White collar and blue collar leagues?
That's a fair point Leo, but in relation to Lacey setting a precedent for future players is my concern here but its a small issue compared to the private helicopter scenario.
I would have the same concerns. Players should be looked after and the demands of the game require significant sacrifices but we need to be wary of the slide towards professionalism. How it is policed I do not know as I can see Laceys motivations (perhaps one last chance to reach the pinnacle of his sport) for not looking for a job until this season is out of the way.
The original differentiations between amateurism and professionalism in many sports were simply that the amateurs were gentlemen of leisure who could afford to pursue their chosen sport for the love of the game and whose Corinthian ideals would not be sullied by monetary considerations.
Concerns about helicopters, fellas putting careers on hold, training camps & lying in bed are all very well, but how do you enforce change.
Do we have spies hiding behind bushes, drones flying over houses to see what times fellas get out of bed at?
Do we ban players leaving their counties in case they might congregate for a training camp or match players on the field according to their employment status?
There are times when you just have to mind your own business & let others mind theirs.
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Karl Lacey at 30 years of age giving up work to concentrate on playing an amateur sport is just plain ridiculous.
Mindboggling. WIth an AI medal already secured Karl should be looking at the realities of life and getting a career for himself
I think that's Lacey's business, to me is says that he sees real possibilities for this team & since he is back to full fitness for the first time in two years he wants to give it everything for six months.
To me, what one of the finest footballers in the country is doing is totally admirable & in contrast to the mendacity & greed that characterises most sport today.
The fact that his selflessness is being criticised here says more about the posters involved than it says about Lacey.
Its amateur sport no matter what way it's dressed up. When the crowd stops cheering you're just another ex-county footballer.
If you've no career no number of all ireland medals is going to get you one. It's his business entirely but it's utterly bananas in my view. Its another example of the association out of control.
Its the logical conclusion of where the sport is headed though - professional players in every meaningful way except the payment side. If we are to step back, its going to have to be imposed from above the individual counties.
I can see why he has decided to do it though. The traveling some of these players have to do is ludicrous (Anthony Thompson was coming over from London for the league games this spring FFS, while Durcan finally cracked and left Four Masters for Ballyboden recently). Lacey also has a young family. Presumably his circumstances are such that he can afford it. And its only for a few months, assuming he's not going to remain unemployed for the sake of Four Masters later in the year. Not much difference, to me, than someone taking a year out to travel the world. Lacey is a wee bit different because of his age, but he'd been working earlier in his 20s.
The GAA needs to step the county scene back and accept it for what it is. High level amateur sport.
There is no economy in a professional game unless people want to have a 5-6 team conference.
There are club teams training twice a day all over the country - which is absolutely barmy.
This monastic existence practiced by GAA Teams isn't even mirrored by full time professional athletes.
I'm tired of listening to the 1% arguments and the inches speeches. Its complete bollocks and always has been.
For 90% of the counties they could 1% everything they do in a season and they'll still end up exiting at exactly the same stage.
I would say there are plenty of swimmers, runners, triathletes, boxers, many of them nominally amateur who might not agree with you but you are right we do need to remember it is an amateur sport.
They are not amateurs. Most of Ireland's Olympic boxers are professional athletes earning decent money on the circuit now as the rules for amateur boxing has changed . Swimmers are supported by the sports council . Our players arent
Karl Lacey's problem isn't the fact he is taking time out . The problem is the training regimes are so out of control you need to be a full time pro athlete at 30 to sustain it. He obviously can't recover properly while working.
And I'll bet any money from what I've been told about done gals training regime it's fitness and conditioning that is driving the issue. It's only the tip of the iceberg. Most inter county players outside teachers don't have a real career because you can't have one to sustain a professional lifestyle
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 12, 2015, 01:04:13 PM
Concerns about helicopters, fellas putting careers on hold, training camps & lying in bed are all very well, but how do you enforce change.
Do we have spies hiding behind bushes, drones flying over houses to see what times fellas get out of bed at?
Do we ban players leaving their counties in case they might congregate for a training camp or match players on the field according to their employment status?
There are times when you just have to mind your own business & let others mind theirs.
Please don't ever run for elected office within the GAA. It's frightening to think someone of your mindset might end up there.
Plenty can be done. The GAA owns the brand so it can decide what happens . And the first thing is to completely regulate the coaching and management of teams. All managers/ coaches should be made complete coaching courses before they are let near a team. Even in my club half of them haven't a clue. And a lot of that drives these stupid training regimes.
How Donegal train and how many times they train is nothing to do with anyone outside of their camp. What Karl Lacey does with his life/career is only his business...if he's getting bank rolled for a season to train like a professional then good luck to him that he's in the position to do so. As far as i'm concerned the only thing that I care about is how my County are progressing and not a hoot about Donegal do I give. The clearly feel this is their last year or two at the top and they want one last hurray at it, every other county would do the same.
as for their ability...Donegal have some exceptional players and should be there or there abouts come August/September but it will have to be thru the back door as you guys aren't getting out of Armagh without a defeat ;)
Quote from: illdecide on May 12, 2015, 01:23:44 PM
How Donegal train and how many times they train is nothing to do with anyone outside of their camp. What Karl Lacey does with his life/career is only his business...if he's getting bank rolled for a season to train like a professional then good luck to him that he's in the position to do so. As far as i'm concerned the only thing that I care about is how my County are progressing and not a hoot about Donegal do I give. The clearly feel this is their last year or two at the top and they want one last hurray at it, every other county would do the same.
as for their ability...Donegal have some exceptional players and should be there or there abouts come August/September but it will have to be thru the back door as you guys aren't getting out of Armagh without a defeat ;)
If he's being bankrolled he's a professional athlete. So it's not just a case of nobody's business. Who's paying tax on it ? Ah I see it's just similar to all the other under the counter payments in the GAA that's been brushed under the carpet . With the attitudes here it's not hard to see why.
And that's why it's an association in denial and disarray . It's rugby union pre-professionalism with none of the revenue and none of the global appeal
a shambles
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Quote from: illdecide on May 12, 2015, 01:23:44 PM
How Donegal train and how many times they train is nothing to do with anyone outside of their camp. What Karl Lacey does with his life/career is only his business...if he's getting bank rolled for a season to train like a professional then good luck to him that he's in the position to do so. As far as i'm concerned the only thing that I care about is how my County are progressing and not a hoot about Donegal do I give. The clearly feel this is their last year or two at the top and they want one last hurray at it, every other county would do the same.
as for their ability...Donegal have some exceptional players and should be there or there abouts come August/September but it will have to be thru the back door as you guys aren't getting out of Armagh without a defeat ;)
If he's being bankrolled he's a professional athlete. So it's not just a case of nobody's business. Who's paying tax on it ? Ah I see it's just similar to all the other under the counter payments in the GAA that's been brushed under the carpet . With the attitudes here it's not hard to see why.
And that's why it's an association in denial and disarray . It's rugby union pre-professionalism with none of the revenue and none of the global appeal
a shambles
It goes on in every county in Ireland, there is only a few elite that get it. why worry about it...worry about your own county which I know aren't whiter than white either
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Karl Lacey is 31 in September, the arguments saying he's a student taking some time off is nonsense unless he is Van Wilder, he obviously is getting some financial backing from somewhere, not all players can afford to become full time professionals. He might be marking a guy in championship who just worked a full week in a busy job when Lacey is strolling out of bed at 11am etc.
And he might be marking a student who gets out of bed at 11:00 or a Teacher who gets every summer off.
Maybe we should ban unemployed players as they would have an unfair advantage and have separate White collar and blue collar leagues?
That's a fair point Leo, but in relation to Lacey setting a precedent for future players is my concern here but its a small issue compared to the private helicopter scenario.
Why is the helicopter such a concern?
It's not as if boys are being flown up and down from Dublin a few nights a week all summer.
If someone wants to foot the bill when they reach an AI final, there's nothing wrong with that. Takes away a wee bit of the geographical disadvantage, nothing else.
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Quote from: illdecide on May 12, 2015, 01:23:44 PM
How Donegal train and how many times they train is nothing to do with anyone outside of their camp. What Karl Lacey does with his life/career is only his business...if he's getting bank rolled for a season to train like a professional then good luck to him that he's in the position to do so. As far as i'm concerned the only thing that I care about is how my County are progressing and not a hoot about Donegal do I give. The clearly feel this is their last year or two at the top and they want one last hurray at it, every other county would do the same.
as for their ability...Donegal have some exceptional players and should be there or there abouts come August/September but it will have to be thru the back door as you guys aren't getting out of Armagh without a defeat ;)
If he's being bankrolled he's a professional athlete. So it's not just a case of nobody's business. Who's paying tax on it ? Ah I see it's just similar to all the other under the counter payments in the GAA that's been brushed under the carpet . With the attitudes here it's not hard to see why.
And that's why it's an association in denial and disarray . It's rugby union pre-professionalism with none of the revenue and none of the global appeal
a shambles
It goes on in every county in Ireland, there is only a few elite that get it. why worry about it...worry about your own county which I know aren't whiter than white either
At county level if every county ran their affairs like us it would be in good order
The club scene in Dublin is a disgrace and you're spot on there. It's destroyed the whole club scene in Dublin. Only the volume of numbers saves us at county level. Otherwise we'd be screwed
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 01:05:18 PMMost inter county players outside teachers don't have a real career because you can't have one to sustain a professional lifestyle
Remember seeing a list of the Kerry players' jobs last year - Of those that weren't students there were a couple of teachers, couple of bank official, couple of accountants, a guard, a chemist, a physio, a quantity surveyor and a couple more in the private sector.
Maher in midfield has a PHD in some sort of science field apparently - can't remember what his job title was beyond "something science-y" Remember thinking that overall as a group they looked to be doing pretty decently on the career front.
Galvin wasnt on the list - anyone want to make a guess at what his job title is these days ?
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Maybe Kerry are an exception in this ?
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 12, 2015, 01:45:36 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 01:05:18 PMMost inter county players outside teachers don't have a real career because you can't have one to sustain a professional lifestyle
Remember seeing a list of the Kerry players' jobs last year - Of those that weren't students there were a couple of teachers, couple of bank official, couple of accountants, a guard, a chemist, a physio, a quantity surveyor and a couple more in the private sector.
Maher in midfield has a PHD in some sort of science field apparently - can't remember what his job title was beyond "something science-y" Remember thinking that overall as a group they looked to be doing pretty decently on the career front.
Galvin wasnt on the list - anyone want to make a guess at what his job title is these days ?
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Maybe Kerry are an exception in this ?
Bank officials don't make me laugh. They do practically nothing. Could list several.
Guard - shift work . Well known inter county players lifestyle and has been for years.
I think you need to see what exactly they do during the day as oppose to what you think they might do
It's 60 hours a week to play inter county .
one of the biggest constraints on the larger counties like mayo cork kerry Donegal galway even is a geographical one even players within the county might have to travel up to anhour and a half to get to training or more from dublin galway cork city etc
thats where the helicopter would be handy.
I dunno about youse boys but would I f**k be getting into a wee helichopter to head up the country for training.
Scare the shIte out me having to travel in one of those things just to go train.
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 12, 2015, 01:45:36 PM
Remember seeing a list of the Kerry players' jobs last year - Of those that weren't students there were a couple of teachers, couple of bank official, couple of accountants, a guard, a chemist, a physio, a quantity surveyor and a couple more in the private sector.
Maher in midfield has a PHD in some sort of science field apparently - can't remember what his job title was beyond "something science-y" Remember thinking that overall as a group they looked to be doing pretty decently on the career front.
One of the Kerry players works for my firm (accountant) out of Cork office. Managed to pass professional exams last summer as well as play football.
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Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 12, 2015, 01:04:13 PM
Concerns about helicopters, fellas putting careers on hold, training camps & lying in bed are all very well, but how do you enforce change.
Do we have spies hiding behind bushes, drones flying over houses to see what times fellas get out of bed at?
Do we ban players leaving their counties in case they might congregate for a training camp or match players on the field according to their employment status?
There are times when you just have to mind your own business & let others mind theirs.
Please don't ever run for elected office within the GAA. It's frightening to think someone of your mindset might end up there.
Plenty can be done. The GAA owns the brand so it can decide what happens . And the first thing is to completely regulate the coaching and management of teams. All managers/ coaches should be made complete coaching courses before they are let near a team. Even in my club half of them haven't a clue. And a lot of that drives these stupid training regimes.
What has coaching courses or training regimes got to do with the issues being discussed here?
Fellas were on complaining about Lacey not pursuing a career this summer, about weekend camps & the unfairness of players in full time work competing against Unemployed fellas who lie in bed till all hours. This is the sort of stupid stuff I was talking about.
If you look back you'll see that I broadly agree with the thrust of your arguments about the demands made on players today. I'm just not sure what you can do about it in a free society.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 12, 2015, 03:54:35 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 01:10:18 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 12, 2015, 01:04:13 PM
Concerns about helicopters, fellas putting careers on hold, training camps & lying in bed are all very well, but how do you enforce change.
Do we have spies hiding behind bushes, drones flying over houses to see what times fellas get out of bed at?
Do we ban players leaving their counties in case they might congregate for a training camp or match players on the field according to their employment status?
There are times when you just have to mind your own business & let others mind theirs.
Please don't ever run for elected office within the GAA. It's frightening to think someone of your mindset might end up there.
Plenty can be done. The GAA owns the brand so it can decide what happens . And the first thing is to completely regulate the coaching and management of teams. All managers/ coaches should be made complete coaching courses before they are let near a team. Even in my club half of them haven't a clue. And a lot of that drives these stupid training regimes.
What has coaching courses or training regimes got to do with the issues being discussed here?
Fellas were on complaining about Lacey not pursuing a career this summer, about weekend camps & the unfairness of players in full time work competing against Unemployed fellas who lie in bed till all hours. This is the sort of stupid stuff I was talking about.
If you look back you'll see that I broadly agree with the thrust of your arguments about the demands made on players today. I'm just not sure what you can do about it in a free society.
Because it's a professional training regime in an amateur context . That has a shelf life.This is only heading one way and it's only a matter of time. The GAA has had ample time to address the issue but has consistently refused to do so.
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Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 12, 2015, 03:54:35 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 01:10:18 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 12, 2015, 01:04:13 PM
Concerns about helicopters, fellas putting careers on hold, training camps & lying in bed are all very well, but how do you enforce change.
Do we have spies hiding behind bushes, drones flying over houses to see what times fellas get out of bed at?
Do we ban players leaving their counties in case they might congregate for a training camp or match players on the field according to their employment status?
There are times when you just have to mind your own business & let others mind theirs.
Please don't ever run for elected office within the GAA. It's frightening to think someone of your mindset might end up there.
Plenty can be done. The GAA owns the brand so it can decide what happens . And the first thing is to completely regulate the coaching and management of teams. All managers/ coaches should be made complete coaching courses before they are let near a team. Even in my club half of them haven't a clue. And a lot of that drives these stupid training regimes.
What has coaching courses or training regimes got to do with the issues being discussed here?
Fellas were on complaining about Lacey not pursuing a career this summer, about weekend camps & the unfairness of players in full time work competing against Unemployed fellas who lie in bed till all hours. This is the sort of stupid stuff I was talking about.
If you look back you'll see that I broadly agree with the thrust of your arguments about the demands made on players today. I'm just not sure what you can do about it in a free society.
Because it's a professional training regime in an amateur context . That has a shelf life.This is only heading one way and it's only a matter of time. The GAA has had ample time to address the issue but has consistently refused to do so.
I keep asking the same question, how do you stop fellas postponing careers, training hard or going to a training camp.
When I see some common sense answers to these questions then we might be going somewhere but in a free society I don't see how you can do it.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 12, 2015, 06:34:27 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 03:58:31 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 12, 2015, 03:54:35 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 01:10:18 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 12, 2015, 01:04:13 PM
Concerns about helicopters, fellas putting careers on hold, training camps & lying in bed are all very well, but how do you enforce change.
Do we have spies hiding behind bushes, drones flying over houses to see what times fellas get out of bed at?
Do we ban players leaving their counties in case they might congregate for a training camp or match players on the field according to their employment status?
There are times when you just have to mind your own business & let others mind theirs.
Please don't ever run for elected office within the GAA. It's frightening to think someone of your mindset might end up there.
Plenty can be done. The GAA owns the brand so it can decide what happens . And the first thing is to completely regulate the coaching and management of teams. All managers/ coaches should be made complete coaching courses before they are let near a team. Even in my club half of them haven't a clue. And a lot of that drives these stupid training regimes.
What has coaching courses or training regimes got to do with the issues being discussed here?
Fellas were on complaining about Lacey not pursuing a career this summer, about weekend camps & the unfairness of players in full time work competing against Unemployed fellas who lie in bed till all hours. This is the sort of stupid stuff I was talking about.
If you look back you'll see that I broadly agree with the thrust of your arguments about the demands made on players today. I'm just not sure what you can do about it in a free society.
Because it's a professional training regime in an amateur context . That has a shelf life.This is only heading one way and it's only a matter of time. The GAA has had ample time to address the issue but has consistently refused to do so.
I keep asking the same question, how do you stop fellas postponing careers, training hard or going to a training camp.
When I see some common sense answers to these questions then we might be going somewhere but in a free society I don't see how you can do it.
Very simple you condense the season.
Instead of it being a 9 month season it becomes a 4-5 month season- then all of a sudden the landscape changes. You define when inter county teams can go into training and you define the club season. All of a sudden county players become functioning members of society again. Its a very simple solution and one that is 100% guaranteed to work.
Very simple you condense the season.
Instead of it being a 9 month season it becomes a 4-5 month season- then all of a sudden the landscape changes. You define when inter county teams can go into training and you define the club season. All of a sudden county players become functioning members of society again. Its a very simple solution and one that is 100% guaranteed to work.
Explain to me how a 4 - 5 month county season works.
Besides which many clubs are putting in the same amount of work now as county teams
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 12, 2015, 08:57:17 PM
Very simple you condense the season.
Instead of it being a 9 month season it becomes a 4-5 month season- then all of a sudden the landscape changes. You define when inter county teams can go into training and you define the club season. All of a sudden county players become functioning members of society again. Its a very simple solution and one that is 100% guaranteed to work.
Explain to me how a 4 - 5 month county season works.
Besides which many clubs are putting in the same amount of work now as county teams
Two seperate championship seasons kid.
Club players get a defined season, can plan holidays etc. Don't need county players for club league unless the county manager wants it- in the case of players returning from injury etc. 90% of clubs finished by end of Sept.
County players get un-interrupted access to county commitments , play the club championship with their club and still can have 2 months lying on a beach if they so wish.
Everyone's a winner.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 12, 2015, 08:57:17 PM
Very simple you condense the season.
Instead of it being a 9 month season it becomes a 4-5 month season- then all of a sudden the landscape changes. You define when inter county teams can go into training and you define the club season. All of a sudden county players become functioning members of society again. Its a very simple solution and one that is 100% guaranteed to work.
Explain to me how a 4 - 5 month county season works.
Besides which many clubs are putting in the same amount of work now as county teams
The Ulster Championship currently takes I think 10/11 weeks to play 8 matches. All first round games at the same time would save at least 3 weeks. Both Semis on the same day as well and bring the final forward a week saves another 2/3 weeks. The whole thing run off in 5 weeks saves a month and a half right off the bat.
Club players train like County teams 10 years ago Id say which is still mental but in terms of County teams they don't have as many games as clubs so train a lot more! Yes the Club game has increased its workload but I don't think the ordinary man appreciates what goes into a Tyrone/Armagh/Donegal/Dublin/Mayo/Kerry regime. Indiana is not exaggerating its 60 hours minimum a week and Football is way above family/work life!!
Donaghy taking time off too to concentrate on football!!!, took the Ulster bank severance they were offering to staff.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-captain-kieran-donaghy-packs-in-job-to-concentrate-on-football-31217940.html
Quote from: The Aristocrat on May 13, 2015, 08:56:41 AM
Donaghy taking time off too to concentrate on football!!!, took the Ulster bank severance they were offering to staff.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-captain-kieran-donaghy-packs-in-job-to-concentrate-on-football-31217940.html
However, the examples above, this is more a case of someone taking the package now and not over exerting themselves to get a new job for a few months. Other people will take the package from Ulster bank and go travelling over the summer before getting their next job.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 13, 2015, 09:01:00 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on May 13, 2015, 08:56:41 AM
Donaghy taking time off too to concentrate on football!!!, took the Ulster bank severance they were offering to staff.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-captain-kieran-donaghy-packs-in-job-to-concentrate-on-football-31217940.html
However, the examples above, this is more a case of someone taking the package now and not over exerting themselves to get a new job for a few months. Other people will take the package from Ulster bank and go travelling over the summer before getting their next job.
Will you stop the lights. This is professional football - nothing else .as I said 60 hours a week
Quote from: armaghniac on May 13, 2015, 09:01:00 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on May 13, 2015, 08:56:41 AM
Donaghy taking time off too to concentrate on football!!!, took the Ulster bank severance they were offering to staff.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-captain-kieran-donaghy-packs-in-job-to-concentrate-on-football-31217940.html
However, the examples above, this is more a case of someone taking the package now and not over exerting themselves to get a new job for a few months. Other people will take the package from Ulster bank and go travelling over the summer before getting their next job.
Not a married 31 year old with a child on the way.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 10:06:03 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 12, 2015, 08:57:17 PM
Very simple you condense the season.
Instead of it being a 9 month season it becomes a 4-5 month season- then all of a sudden the landscape changes. You define when inter county teams can go into training and you define the club season. All of a sudden county players become functioning members of society again. Its a very simple solution and one that is 100% guaranteed to work.
Explain to me how a 4 - 5 month county season works.
Besides which many clubs are putting in the same amount of work now as county teams
Two seperate championship seasons kid.
Club players get a defined season, can plan holidays etc. Don't need county players for club league unless the county manager wants it- in the case of players returning from injury etc. 90% of clubs finished by end of Sept.
County players get un-interrupted access to county commitments , play the club championship with their club and still can have 2 months lying on a beach if they so wish.
Everyone's a winner.
Under this system would county players play in county league, co championship & club championship only?
as i posted before .
I think a lot of these guys going full time is a nice way of putting Redundancy.
Lacey o sullavan holmes and now Donaghy have all left the ulster bank, the bank has commited to over 100 redundancies in this 12 months.
So with a fat cheque in their pockets and probably a good deal on thier mortgate who would plame them for taking a few months off to play ball.
If donaghy seriously wanted to become a full time athelte he would have started long before 31 same with lacey and Osullivan
Quote from: rosnarun on May 13, 2015, 10:02:22 AM
as i posted before .
I think a lot of these guys going full time is a nice way of putting Redundancy.
Lacey o sullavan holmes and now Donaghy have all left the ulster bank, the bank has commited to over 100 redundancies in this 12 months.
So with a fat cheque in their pockets and probably a good deal on thier mortgate who would plame them for taking a few months off to play ball.
If donaghy seriously wanted to become a full time athelte he would have started long before 31 same with lacey and Osullivan
No he wouldn't because the demands now are twice what they were 6-7 years ago so you're completely wrong on that . I'm very surprised that many posters here have no idea of what's demanded to play county football these days
An association in absolute chaos
Quote from: INDIANA on May 13, 2015, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 13, 2015, 10:02:22 AM
as i posted before .
I think a lot of these guys going full time is a nice way of putting Redundancy.
Lacey o sullavan holmes and now Donaghy have all left the ulster bank, the bank has commited to over 100 redundancies in this 12 months.
So with a fat cheque in their pockets and probably a good deal on thier mortgate who would plame them for taking a few months off to play ball.
If donaghy seriously wanted to become a full time athelte he would have started long before 31 same with lacey and Osullivan
No he wouldn't because the demands now are twice what they were 6-7 years ago so you're completely wrong on that . I'm very surprised that many posters here have no idea of what's demanded to play county football these days
An association in absolute chaos
I don't understand how a few players taking some time out from work signifies "an association in absolute chaos".
Slightly hyperbolic maybe???
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 13, 2015, 10:55:42 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 13, 2015, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 13, 2015, 10:02:22 AM
as i posted before .
I think a lot of these guys going full time is a nice way of putting Redundancy.
Lacey o sullavan holmes and now Donaghy have all left the ulster bank, the bank has commited to over 100 redundancies in this 12 months.
So with a fat cheque in their pockets and probably a good deal on thier mortgate who would plame them for taking a few months off to play ball.
If donaghy seriously wanted to become a full time athelte he would have started long before 31 same with lacey and Osullivan
No he wouldn't because the demands now are twice what they were 6-7 years ago so you're completely wrong on that . I'm very surprised that many posters here have no idea of what's demanded to play county football these days
An association in absolute chaos
I don't understand how a few players taking some time out from work signifies "an association in absolute chaos".
Slightly hyperbolic maybe???
I think the people taking time out of work is a symptom of the Association in chaos. . . the demands being put on Inter County players would be the root cause of the association being in chaos!
When Indiana says lads are spending 60 hours a week training for Inter County football do you think 60 hours is not an exorbitant amount of time to be training or do you think this is an exaggeration and not really true?
The association isn't in crisis but the GAA don't help themselves here.
The event Karl Lacey said that stuff at was the launch of the Kellogg's Cul Camps. He will more than likely have been paid a four figure sum for that by the GAA who have a duty to promote their sponsor.
If a player does a couple of those a month, then who needs to work for the summer ?
It's catch 22. The GAA have full time people whose job it is to promote the association and they need players to do that so they pay a select few of them from time to time. That gives lads an insight into what it would be like to be full time and make money from endorsements. It's nothing new really but it's more frequent and professional now with the GPA influence.
Make no mistake, the day of counties organising 'work' schedules for their intercounty squads and training professionally is already here. When there is such large amounts of money going to big counties in sponsorship, it's inevitable.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 12, 2015, 02:07:29 PM
Bank officials don't make me laugh. They do practically nothing. Could list several.
Indiana - riddle me this? - if bank officials do practically nothing anyway, why would the lads need to leave Ulster Bank at all?
Quote from: INDIANA on May 13, 2015, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 13, 2015, 10:02:22 AM
as i posted before .
I think a lot of these guys going full time is a nice way of putting Redundancy.
Lacey o sullavan holmes and now Donaghy have all left the ulster bank, the bank has commited to over 100 redundancies in this 12 months.
So with a fat cheque in their pockets and probably a good deal on thier mortgate who would plame them for taking a few months off to play ball.
If donaghy seriously wanted to become a full time athelte he would have started long before 31 same with lacey and Osullivan
No he wouldn't because the demands now are twice what they were 6-7 years ago so you're completely wrong on that . I'm very surprised that many posters here have no idea of what's demanded to play county football these days
An association in absolute chaos
so what your saying it makes more sense for a married father - with 1 maybe 2years left to give up his job than it would for the same player to have done so 6 or 7 years ago. 6 or 7 years ago donaghy was also playing top level BB as well as football.
if it wasnt for the wife he wouldndn't know what to do with himself now.
can you name aany other player who have gone 'full time' who arent just out of college students or ex bankers?
I would say Lacey and Donaghy have been offered voluntary Redundancy and like a lot of people if your working for a financial institution in the south for a good period of time they could be getting a years wages so its a matter of taking a few months off and concentratring on football. Come september those 2 boys will have a new job and still have a hefty sum of their redundancy left over.
Quote from: screenexile on May 12, 2015, 10:09:22 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 12, 2015, 08:57:17 PM
Very simple you condense the season.
Instead of it being a 9 month season it becomes a 4-5 month season- then all of a sudden the landscape changes. You define when inter county teams can go into training and you define the club season. All of a sudden county players become functioning members of society again. Its a very simple solution and one that is 100% guaranteed to work.
Explain to me how a 4 - 5 month county season works.
Besides which many clubs are putting in the same amount of work now as county teams
The Ulster Championship currently takes I think 10/11 weeks to play 8 matches. All first round games at the same time would save at least 3 weeks. Both Semis on the same day as well and bring the final forward a week saves another 2/3 weeks. The whole thing run off in 5 weeks saves a month and a half right off the bat.
Club players train like County teams 10 years ago Id say which is still mental but in terms of County teams they don't have as many games as clubs so train a lot more! Yes the Club game has increased its workload but I don't think the ordinary man appreciates what goes into a Tyrone/Armagh/Donegal/Dublin/Mayo/Kerry regime. Indiana is not exaggerating its 60 hours minimum a week and Football is way above family/work life!!
Having a defined club and county season would be a massive improvement, would be much fairer on club players
Quote from: screenexile on May 13, 2015, 11:03:32 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 13, 2015, 10:55:42 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 13, 2015, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 13, 2015, 10:02:22 AM
as i posted before .
I think a lot of these guys going full time is a nice way of putting Redundancy.
Lacey o sullavan holmes and now Donaghy have all left the ulster bank, the bank has commited to over 100 redundancies in this 12 months.
So with a fat cheque in their pockets and probably a good deal on thier mortgate who would plame them for taking a few months off to play ball.
If donaghy seriously wanted to become a full time athelte he would have started long before 31 same with lacey and Osullivan
No he wouldn't because the demands now are twice what they were 6-7 years ago so you're completely wrong on that . I'm very surprised that many posters here have no idea of what's demanded to play county football these days
An association in absolute chaos
I don't understand how a few players taking some time out from work signifies "an association in absolute chaos".
Slightly hyperbolic maybe???
I think the people taking time out of work is a symptom of the Association in chaos. . . the demands being put on Inter County players would be the root cause of the association being in chaos!
When Indiana says lads are spending 60 hours a week training for Inter County football do you think 60 hours is not an exorbitant amount of time to be training or do you think this is an exaggeration and not really true?
It's a total exaggeration.
Nobody in the GAA is training 60 hours a week, or 10 hours a day leaving Sundays out of it, for the very simple reason that it would be totally counter productive. Rest is as important as training.
To be doing 60 hours a week, not to mention travelling, then none of them could work in any way shape or form, there wouldn't be enough hours in the week.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 13, 2015, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 13, 2015, 11:03:32 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on May 13, 2015, 10:55:42 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 13, 2015, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 13, 2015, 10:02:22 AM
as i posted before .
I think a lot of these guys going full time is a nice way of putting Redundancy.
Lacey o sullavan holmes and now Donaghy have all left the ulster bank, the bank has commited to over 100 redundancies in this 12 months.
So with a fat cheque in their pockets and probably a good deal on thier mortgate who would plame them for taking a few months off to play ball.
If donaghy seriously wanted to become a full time athelte he would have started long before 31 same with lacey and Osullivan
No he wouldn't because the demands now are twice what they were 6-7 years ago so you're completely wrong on that . I'm very surprised that many posters here have no idea of what's demanded to play county football these days
An association in absolute chaos
I don't understand how a few players taking some time out from work signifies "an association in absolute chaos".
Slightly hyperbolic maybe???
I think the people taking time out of work is a symptom of the Association in chaos. . . the demands being put on Inter County players would be the root cause of the association being in chaos!
When Indiana says lads are spending 60 hours a week training for Inter County football do you think 60 hours is not an exorbitant amount of time to be training or do you think this is an exaggeration and not really true?
It's a total exaggeration.
Nobody in the GAA is training 60 hours a week, or 10 hours a day leaving Sundays out of it, for the very simple reason that it would be totally counter productive. Rest is as important as training.
To be doing 60 hours a week, not to mention travelling, then none of them could work in any way shape or form, there wouldn't be enough hours in the week.
They're not physically training 60 hours a week!! With the way tactics and video analysis is these days you're talking at least half of the 60 being on that as well as the fact inter county athletes are expected to put in serious time for stretching/recover as well outside of the actual physical training!!
Indiana is fond of coming on and making grand statements about things like guys training 60 hours a week, or demands on county players doubling over the last 7 years. He never has any evidence, let alone proof, to offer for any of this. Complete spoofer.
by the rime you take travel time into it for most players 60 hours may not be that far wrong ,
and if you take all the extra rest needed it would be an understatement.
intercounty Football has to become your way of life more than just something you do of an evening
Quote from: rosnarun on May 14, 2015, 10:03:03 AM
by the rime you take travel time into it for most players 60 hours may not be that far wrong ,
and if you take all the extra rest needed it would be an understatement.
intercounty Football has to become your way of life more than just something you do of an evening
Most players are spending 10 hours a day, six days a week, training for the county? Are you completely off your f***** rocker?
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 14, 2015, 03:43:25 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 14, 2015, 10:03:03 AM
by the rime you take travel time into it for most players 60 hours may not be that far wrong ,
and if you take all the extra rest needed it would be an understatement.
intercounty Football has to become your way of life more than just something you do of an evening
Most players are spending 10 hours a day, six days a week, training for the county. Are you completely off your f***** rocker?
If they where doing 60 hrs per week, they would be off their f****** rocker.
Can't help but feel this is OTT sensationalism and might only happen if the panel is in a training camp which isn't the norm.
Quote from: Bingo on May 14, 2015, 04:20:45 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 14, 2015, 03:43:25 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 14, 2015, 10:03:03 AM
by the rime you take travel time into it for most players 60 hours may not be that far wrong ,
and if you take all the extra rest needed it would be an understatement.
intercounty Football has to become your way of life more than just something you do of an evening
Most players are spending 10 hours a day, six days a week, training for the county. Are you completely off your f***** rocker?
If they where doing 60 hrs per week, they would be off their f****** rocker.
Can't help but feel this is OTT sensationalism and might only happen if the panel is in a training camp which isn't the norm.
60 hours a week including travel and rest!
I have just realised I am working 90 hour weeks and only getting paid for 40.
Quote from: LeoMc on May 15, 2015, 07:59:24 AM
Quote from: Bingo on May 14, 2015, 04:20:45 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 14, 2015, 03:43:25 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 14, 2015, 10:03:03 AM
by the rime you take travel time into it for most players 60 hours may not be that far wrong ,
and if you take all the extra rest needed it would be an understatement.
intercounty Football has to become your way of life more than just something you do of an evening
Most players are spending 10 hours a day, six days a week, training for the county. Are you completely off your f***** rocker?
If they where doing 60 hrs per week, they would be off their f****** rocker.
Can't help but feel this is OTT sensationalism and might only happen if the panel is in a training camp which isn't the norm.
60 hours a week including travel and rest!
I have just realised I am working 90 hour weeks and only getting paid for 40.
Put it down to Larkin Leo put it down to Larkin.Or just throw in the towel yerself and turn Pro.... :P...or just stop realizing and countin they can be bad for ya ;D
Quote from: LeoMc on May 15, 2015, 07:59:24 AM
Quote from: Bingo on May 14, 2015, 04:20:45 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 14, 2015, 03:43:25 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 14, 2015, 10:03:03 AM
by the rime you take travel time into it for most players 60 hours may not be that far wrong ,
and if you take all the extra rest needed it would be an understatement.
intercounty Football has to become your way of life more than just something you do of an evening
Most players are spending 10 hours a day, six days a week, training for the county. Are you completely off your f***** rocker?
If they where doing 60 hrs per week, they would be off their f****** rocker.
Can't help but feel this is OTT sensationalism and might only happen if the panel is in a training camp which isn't the norm.
60 hours a week including travel and rest!
I have just realised I am working 90 hour weeks and only getting paid for 40.
Does sleep count as rest? I've racked up savage OT so.....
Quote from: The Stallion on May 09, 2015, 04:46:37 PM
I strongly suspect Donegal will not be a top four team come the end of the year. They have only one truly outstanding footballer in Karl Lacey, and I think teams will be better prepared to counteract their dull system this year.
McGuinness leaving ended any genuine All-Ireland hopes for this bunch of players.
Today's game has reinforced my opinion that Donegal aren't in with a realistic chance of winning the All Ireland. Just not good enough.
Dont know what game u watching stallion Donegal will be danegrous enough,
Donegal were very poor. But for the referee letting them away with a lot of cynical fouling, Tyrone would have won comfortably.
Michael Murphy is absolutely nowhere near the best forward in Ireland, he was terrible today and just isn't good enough to score heavily from play in a regular basis.
http://www.the42.ie/kerry-gaa-fundraising-america-2150376-Jun2015/?utm_source=shortlink
How can teams compete against Kerry, Donegal, Mayo and Tyrone's millions, a level playing field needs to be implemented, Leitrim and Longford deserve the same like 7 million centre's of excellence.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 09, 2015, 10:14:07 AM
http://www.the42.ie/kerry-gaa-fundraising-america-2150376-Jun2015/?utm_source=shortlink
How can teams compete against Kerry, Donegal, Mayo and Tyrone's millions, a level playing field needs to be implemented, Leitrim and Longford deserve the same like 7 million centre's of excellence.
Do what they did, get up off your backsides, scour your county for sponsorship & stop whinging.
A 70 million centre of excellence wouldn't hep Longford or Leitrim win an All Ireland.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on June 09, 2015, 10:34:24 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 09, 2015, 10:14:07 AM
http://www.the42.ie/kerry-gaa-fundraising-america-2150376-Jun2015/?utm_source=shortlink
How can teams compete against Kerry, Donegal, Mayo and Tyrone's millions, a level playing field needs to be implemented, Leitrim and Longford deserve the same like 7 million centre's of excellence.
Do what they did, get up off your backsides, scour your county for sponsorship & stop whinging.
A 70 million centre of excellence wouldn't hep Longford or Leitrim win an All Ireland.
I think Aristocrat is from Dublin.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 09, 2015, 10:14:07 AM
http://www.the42.ie/kerry-gaa-fundraising-america-2150376-Jun2015/?utm_source=shortlink
How can teams compete against Kerry, Donegal, Mayo and Tyrone's millions, a level playing field needs to be implemented, Leitrim and Longford deserve the same like 7 million centre's of excellence.
The money in the game has gone crazy. It seems you need to have a load of cash to compete. The top teams are running away from the smaller counties who can't raise money like this. You left out Dublin in your list there. They get more from sponsrships than any other team and they got 2.1 million from the GAA last year!!!! And they're getting a 9 million euro centre of excellence built for them I hear, at least Kerry have to fundraise for it. Do Donegal, Mayo, Kerry and Dublin want to breakaway and form their own championship? If this kind of thing keeps happening then that's basically what will happen.
The imbalance in money available to teams is definitely widening the gap between the haves and the have nots. Something should be done to try and correct this balance but there are a lot of things which would need to be considered including:
- counties who put extra effort into fundraising shouldn't have to give money to counties who don't bother much with it. Maybe some sort of guidelines / support on how to fundraise for counties who aren't as good at it as others?
- counties like Dublin & Cork will always attract bigger sponsorship deals by the fact that they have larger populations. How can this be evened up? Or should it be?
- Counties with more clubs - managers / selectors have more players to trial, more club games to go to; same with larger counties where the distances are greater and mileage costs will be higher for any sort of travel
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 09, 2015, 10:35:19 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on June 09, 2015, 10:34:24 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 09, 2015, 10:14:07 AM
http://www.the42.ie/kerry-gaa-fundraising-america-2150376-Jun2015/?utm_source=shortlink
How can teams compete against Kerry, Donegal, Mayo and Tyrone's millions, a level playing field needs to be implemented, Leitrim and Longford deserve the same like 7 million centre's of excellence.
Do what they did, get up off your backsides, scour your county for sponsorship & stop whinging.
A 70 million centre of excellence wouldn't hep Longford or Leitrim win an All Ireland.
I think Aristocrat is from Dublin.
Im a neutral !!!
I was half joking with this but the gap is widening when it comes to finances.
Another point is that its not just Dublin who has the money.
Fair play to Kerry though, I wonder how much Kerry Hurling will receive from it? Probably 1%, the same percentage of respect they give hurling in the county.
You picked a bad example with Kerry hurling. They've had a great couple of years, have lads like Brendan Cummins in coaching their goalkeepers and have qualified to play in the Liam McCarthy Cup next year.
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 09, 2015, 10:40:57 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 09, 2015, 10:14:07 AM
http://www.the42.ie/kerry-gaa-fundraising-america-2150376-Jun2015/?utm_source=shortlink
How can teams compete against Kerry, Donegal, Mayo and Tyrone's millions, a level playing field needs to be implemented, Leitrim and Longford deserve the same like 7 million centre's of excellence.
!!!! And they're getting a 9 million euro centre of excellence built for them I hear
Can you source that?
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 09, 2015, 11:22:39 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 09, 2015, 10:35:19 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on June 09, 2015, 10:34:24 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 09, 2015, 10:14:07 AM
http://www.the42.ie/kerry-gaa-fundraising-america-2150376-Jun2015/?utm_source=shortlink
How can teams compete against Kerry, Donegal, Mayo and Tyrone's millions, a level playing field needs to be implemented, Leitrim and Longford deserve the same like 7 million centre's of excellence.
Do what they did, get up off your backsides, scour your county for sponsorship & stop whinging.
A 70 million centre of excellence wouldn't hep Longford or Leitrim win an All Ireland.
I think Aristocrat is from Dublin.
Im a neutral !!!
I was half joking with this but the gap is widening when it comes to finances.
Another point is that its not just Dublin who has the money.
Fair play to Kerry though, I wonder how much Kerry Hurling will receive from it? Probably 1%, the same percentage of respect they give hurling in the county.
:o
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 09, 2015, 11:28:01 AM
You picked a bad example with Kerry hurling. They've had a great couple of years, have lads like Brendan Cummins in coaching their goalkeepers and have qualified to play in the Liam McCarthy Cup next year.
Yeah they have and its brilliant, still doesn't mean it gets the respect it deserves down there or resources split evenly.
Quote from: heffo on June 09, 2015, 11:57:45 AM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 09, 2015, 10:40:57 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 09, 2015, 10:14:07 AM
http://www.the42.ie/kerry-gaa-fundraising-america-2150376-Jun2015/?utm_source=shortlink
How can teams compete against Kerry, Donegal, Mayo and Tyrone's millions, a level playing field needs to be implemented, Leitrim and Longford deserve the same like 7 million centre's of excellence.
!!!! And they're getting a 9 million euro centre of excellence built for them I hear
Can you source that?
Google 9m GAA facility Blanchardstown, it gets quite a few results.
Local TD and Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport Leo Varadkar has said the GAA's confirmation of plans for a national GAA training centre in Blanchardstown is a major step forward for the National Sports Campus.
Quote from: rosnarun on June 09, 2015, 03:53:57 PM
Local TD and Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport Leo Varadkar has said the GAA's confirmation of plans for a national GAA training centre in Blanchardstown is a major step forward for the National Sports Campus.
Yeah right. I can't wait to bring the Tipp U14s up there on a Tuesday evening. Sure who'll be using it? :)
Yes it's nice and centrally located. It's obviously a centre for all. I'd say this place in the middle of everybody called Dublin will only use the centre an equal amount of times as everyone else. There's no way they'll use it for all their underage teams and use it specifically for their hurlers while their footballers remain at the already state of the art facility in DCU. Noooooooo way at all at all.
Great resource for Meath and Kildare teams, easy access for all.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 09, 2015, 04:14:51 PM
Great resource for Meath and Kildare teams, easy access for all.
How will Leitrim get there? Sligo? Clare? Waterford? Cavan? Derry? Limerick? I could go on. It's a big committment getting from work to training as it is. It'd be very handy to have a centre like this on your doorstep. That's why it's lucky that it's been placed in such a central location, easy access for all. It's not a 9 million euro facility for one county alone. Nooooooooooo way at all at all.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 09, 2015, 12:10:44 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 09, 2015, 11:28:01 AM
You picked a bad example with Kerry hurling. They've had a great couple of years, have lads like Brendan Cummins in coaching their goalkeepers and have qualified to play in the Liam McCarthy Cup next year.
Yeah they have and its brilliant, still doesn't mean it gets the respect it deserves down there or resources split evenly.
Might have been true previously but I think hurling is getting proper support the last while from the Kerry county board. Read an interview with the Kerry captain after their Christy ring win and he was commenting on how good the County Board had been in terms of resources and was talking about an end of season trip for the panel to Asia.
Have heard from Kerry folk previously that there are coaching officers going into schools in Killarney and other places where hurling hasn't been played in 50 years have underage hurling teams now. It's not going to happen overnight but everything I've heard the last while suggests Kerry hurling is definitely going in the right direction and the county board seems to be doing it's bit as well.
The aristocrat has been fairly put back into his box on this thread. :D
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 09, 2015, 09:43:09 PM
The aristocrat has been fairly put back into his box on this thread. :D
National GAA centre built in nations capital. You sure put him back in his box alright.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 09, 2015, 04:14:51 PM
Great resource for Meath and Kildare teams, easy access for all.
Meath have Dunganny and Kildare have Hawkfield.
Quote from: heffo on June 09, 2015, 09:48:16 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 09, 2015, 09:43:09 PM
The aristocrat has been fairly put back into his box on this thread. :D
National GAA centre built in nations capital. You sure put him back in his box alright.
Did you do some googling then?
Dublin isn't the capital of the GAA. What's the point of a National GAA centre if only one county gets to use it? If this was set up somewhere like Athlone at least 5 or 6 counties could use it. When the facts come out about which county has a monopoly on this centres use I'm sure you'll ask for a source to back it up. I'll be happy to inform you on how to google then also.
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 09, 2015, 07:18:49 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 09, 2015, 12:10:44 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 09, 2015, 11:28:01 AM
You picked a bad example with Kerry hurling. They've had a great couple of years, have lads like Brendan Cummins in coaching their goalkeepers and have qualified to play in the Liam McCarthy Cup next year.
Yeah they have and its brilliant, still doesn't mean it gets the respect it deserves down there or resources split evenly.
Might have been true previously but I think hurling is getting proper support the last while from the Kerry county board. Read an interview with the Kerry captain after their Christy ring win and he was commenting on how good the County Board had been in terms of resources and was talking about an end of season trip for the panel to Asia.
Have heard from Kerry folk previously that there are coaching officers going into schools in Killarney and other places where hurling hasn't been played in 50 years have underage hurling teams now. It's not going to happen overnight but everything I've heard the last while suggests Kerry hurling is definitely going in the right direction and the county board seems to be doing it's bit as well.
You misread it.
They are getting a trip to Asda.
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 09, 2015, 09:43:09 PM
The aristocrat has been fairly put back into his box on this thread. :D
I don't know what you mean man, this thread is about Donegal, there have been dozens, hundreds, thousands of threads on Dublin on this site and others regarding everything from Croker, to finances, to support, to sponsorship etc, a lot of it slander! ;)
I'm just pointing that some of the other counties are in the same ball park by same or different methods. I am also trying to have a small bit of craic with it.
You remind me of a poster I have not seen on here for awhile and he is from the same county as yourself and was only on this site for one thing and that was childish slating of Dublin and a couple of other teams, Don't Matter.!!!
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 09, 2015, 10:40:42 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 09, 2015, 09:48:16 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 09, 2015, 09:43:09 PM
The aristocrat has been fairly put back into his box on this thread. :D
National GAA centre built in nations capital. You sure put him back in his box alright.
Did you do some googling then?
Dublin isn't the capital of the GAA. What's the point of a National GAA centre if only one county gets to use it? If this was set up somewhere like Athlone at least 5 or 6 counties could use it. When the facts come out about which county has a monopoly on this centres use I'm sure you'll ask for a source to back it up. I'll be happy to inform you on how to google then also.
I don't need to google anything, I think you'll find I'm a little more informed than you or your many sock puppet accounts.
You can now predict the future can you?
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 10, 2015, 09:07:26 AM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 09, 2015, 09:43:09 PM
The aristocrat has been fairly put back into his box on this thread. :D
I don't know what you mean man, this thread is about Donegal, there have been dozens, hundreds, thousands of threads on Dublin on this site and others regarding everything from Croker, to finances, to support, to sponsorship etc, a lot of it slander! ;)
I'm just pointing that some of the other counties are in the same ball park by same or different methods. I am also trying to have a small bit of craic with it.
You remind me of a poster I have not seen on here for awhile and he is from the same county as yourself and was only on this site for one thing and that was childish slating of Dublin and a couple of other teams, Don't Matter.!!!
Donegal and Kerry have seen what Dublin are at and have decided the only way they can compete with them is to try to match them. They are falling far short in reaching the financial levels of Dublin but they and Dublin are pushing far ahead of most other counties on the pitch. Something needs to be looked at.
I've been posting here for a few months and I've never heard of Don't Matter. I'm sure many people have the same view when it comes to money in the game.
Quote from: heffo on June 10, 2015, 09:34:06 AM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 09, 2015, 10:40:42 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 09, 2015, 09:48:16 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 09, 2015, 09:43:09 PM
The aristocrat has been fairly put back into his box on this thread. :D
National GAA centre built in nations capital. You sure put him back in his box alright.
Did you do some googling then?
Dublin isn't the capital of the GAA. What's the point of a National GAA centre if only one county gets to use it? If this was set up somewhere like Athlone at least 5 or 6 counties could use it. When the facts come out about which county has a monopoly on this centres use I'm sure you'll ask for a source to back it up. I'll be happy to inform you on how to google then also.
I don't need to google anything, I think you'll find I'm a little more informed than you or your many sock puppet accounts.
You can now predict the future can you?
You didn't know Dublin were getting a 9m GAA centre in Blanchardstown, I had to help you out on that one.
I can predict the future. Here's another prediction for ya, Dublin will receive around 2 million from the GAA again this year. Like Nostradamus I am.
Who can stop this Donegal Juggernaut, they look unbeatable and definite favourites for the all Ireland no matter what the bookies say.
Unbeatable.
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 10, 2015, 01:19:48 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 10, 2015, 09:34:06 AM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 09, 2015, 10:40:42 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 09, 2015, 09:48:16 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 09, 2015, 09:43:09 PM
The aristocrat has been fairly put back into his box on this thread. :D
National GAA centre built in nations capital. You sure put him back in his box alright.
Did you do some googling then?
Dublin isn't the capital of the GAA. What's the point of a National GAA centre if only one county gets to use it? If this was set up somewhere like Athlone at least 5 or 6 counties could use it. When the facts come out about which county has a monopoly on this centres use I'm sure you'll ask for a source to back it up. I'll be happy to inform you on how to google then also.
I don't need to google anything, I think you'll find I'm a little more informed than you or your many sock puppet accounts.
You can now predict the future can you?
You didn't know Dublin were getting a 9m GAA centre in Blanchardstown, I had to help you out on that one.
I can predict the future. Here's another prediction for ya, Dublin will receive around 2 million from the GAA again this year. Like Nostradamus I am.
National GAA centre in the nation's capital - easily accessible from anywhere in Ireland.
Those Waterford hoors have the national Hurling & Camogie centre in Waterford - how can the rest of us compete with that?
heffo, come off it. Easily accessible? This should clearly have been built in UL where it would be easily accessible by us :)