This has to be started sometime.
How will Derry manage to balls this one up this year??!!
Not saying Down aren't good. You just never know what Derry will conspire to do on any given day!!
21 years. That derry team had the poorest forward line of any all Ireland winning team but a great midfield and defense. Down had a much superior team with much more potential, and that showed that day.
Didn't Down go into that game as huge underdogs in 94?
Not huge underdogs just underdogs as they were up against the then All Ireland Champions. Martin McHugh walked past our car during the 1pm tay and sandwiches and he told us Derry would win.
Skill and power a plenty. I'd say they were the two biggest teams in Ireland then too. Bar a few like wee James and McKeever, 6ft+ was the norm. Oh what we'd give ..... :-[
The chips in Dungiven on the way home have never tasted as sweet since.
Yes 'Sur'. It was pints in Dungiven for my da and his mates that day.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on May 05, 2015, 03:14:40 PM
How will Derry manage to balls this one up this year??!!
Not saying Down aren't good. You just never know what Derry will conspire to do on any given day!!
Down will win by 5-7 points. Derry are going backwards at the moment.
Not sure what way this game work out, couldnt honestly name the team at the minute but i hope E McGuckin and Skinner play up front. If Doherty plays in midfield Derry will win
Patsy is bucked in various parts of his body so midfield as per usual is up in the air. Our team if fit is good on paper, but nobody really knows what we'll get this year...no change there!
Patsy not be ready for the down game though Derry will look at Lynch, McGilligan, O`Boyle, Kielt, or E Bradley to partner them.
Even though Derry were relegated, they will have learnt more from playing Dublin, Kerry, cork,Donegal and Mayo than down qwill have coming out of Div 2.
Derry are obviously favourites. Like Derry people us Down folk never know if Jackyl or Hyde will turn up. Hoping Marty Clarke will be in the asquad by June 7th, would be a great asset to spring from the bench.
Quote from: snoopdog on May 06, 2015, 11:38:54 AM
Even though Derry were relegated, they will have learnt more from playing Dublin, Kerry, cork,Donegal and Mayo than down qwill have coming out of Div 2.
Derry are obviously favourites. Like Derry people us Down folk never know if Jackyl or Hyde will turn up. Hoping Marty Clarke will be in the asquad by June 7th, would be a great asset to spring from the bench.
I don't know how you make derry favourites. I'd be surprised if Derry win this.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 06, 2015, 11:45:09 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on May 06, 2015, 11:38:54 AM
Even though Derry were relegated, they will have learnt more from playing Dublin, Kerry, cork,Donegal and Mayo than down qwill have coming out of Div 2.
Derry are obviously favourites. Like Derry people us Down folk never know if Jackyl or Hyde will turn up. Hoping Marty Clarke will be in the asquad by June 7th, would be a great asset to spring from the bench.
I don't know how you make derry favourites. I'd be surprised if Derry win this.
there wouldn't be too many surprised either way I wouldn't have thought
Looking at the Derry Club Board and there seems to be plenty
of CCC issues going on. Any County player involvement that could
help Down if they get suspended? 8)
Quote from: snoopdog on May 06, 2015, 11:38:54 AM
Even though Derry were relegated, they will have learnt more from playing Dublin, Kerry, cork,Donegal and Mayo than down qwill have coming out of Div 2.
Derry are obviously favourites. Like Derry people us Down folk never know if Jackyl or Hyde will turn up. Hoping Marty Clarke will be in the asquad by June 7th, would be a great asset to spring from the bench.
If it's the former, at least the national anthem will be interesting ;)
Quote from: interested on May 21, 2015, 02:56:19 PM
Looking at the Derry Club Board and there seems to be plenty
of CCC issues going on. Any County player involvement that could
help Down if they get suspended? 8)
Nah don't think it.
A complete lottery this one if either side has a good day they could tank the other... having said that both sides have had a lot of poor days in recent years come Championship. Bookies have Derry slight favourites probably because we were in Div 1 but it's really 50/50.
Actually I think it has the potential to be a decent game I'll probably go to it.
Quote from: interested on May 21, 2015, 02:56:19 PM
Looking at the Derry Club Board and there seems to be plenty
of CCC issues going on. Any County player involvement that could
help Down if they get suspended? 8)
Na no county players involved; just referees locked in toilets and the such.
Quote from: screenexile on May 21, 2015, 04:13:33 PM
Actually I think it has the potential to be a decent game I'll probably go to it.
A Derry supporter going to a championship game!! Take a selfie, people will never believe it.
Looking forward to a good day's craic in the Maiden City. Hopefully the right Derry will show up :)
Quote from: theticklemister on May 21, 2015, 08:29:04 PM
Quote from: interested on May 21, 2015, 02:56:19 PM
Looking at the Derry Club Board and there seems to be plenty
of CCC issues going on. Any County player involvement that could
help Down if they get suspended? 8)
Na no county players involved; just referees locked in toilets and the such.
This didn't happen. No county players involved.
As for the match I would be disappointed if we lost but not surprised. Derry and Down are similar in that if they turn up they can be a match for most teams in the country but if they don't they can be poor enough. It should be one of the more entertaining games this year anyway so I might even go to it as well ;)
entertaining, be pleasantly surprised. Have you not noticed both teams have been playing with 14 men behind the ball in the NFL. Are you expecting something different?
Quote from: shawshank on May 22, 2015, 12:21:00 PM
entertaining, be pleasantly surprised. Have you not noticed both teams have been playing with 14 men behind the ball in the NFL. Are you expecting something different?
Looks like somebody has been reading the columns of Calm O'Rourke.
Not sure which way this will swing, looking forward to it nonetheless. Derrys line up is difficult to predict with the slaughtneil boys not playing in the league, a few players coming back from injury and a few away off on their annual summer injury trip. I think it will be something like this
Mallon
Duffy Rodgers Mc bride
Sean Leo Chrissy Johnson
Lynch Doc
Lynn Kielt Mc Faul
Heron Skinner O Boyle
Any thoughts? Difficult to know if he'll start Kielt but anyone who can kick scores from 50m+ surely could be carried, especially against a blanket which we struggle with. Will be an interesting full forward line with skinner and oboyle capable of causing all sorts of problems, assuming he stays in the square. Any idea on the down team?
If we can contain Skinner then I would be hopeful of a victory but he's hard to handle. Any word who will mark him??
Mallon
Duffy Holly Mc bride
Chrissy McAtamney Johnson
Heavron Lynch Doc Sean Leo
Skinner Heron
O Boyle Lynn
Subs: McNicholl, K McKeigue, B Rogers, McFaul, Kielt, Murphy? Younger McGoldrick etc
Have limited knowledge of who is injured/not available so that's what I have come up with also a stab at the system which might be played. Can't see Doc lasting for more that 40 mins but he needs to start.
Quote from: T O Hare on June 01, 2015, 08:59:24 PM
If we can contain Skinner then I would be hopeful of a victory but he's hard to handle. Any word who will mark him??
I would give Garvey a rattle at him but Mc Corry probably wont start him.
Holly not make it injured, P Bradley already out, Doherty possible as well, I expect Johnson in the corner, with both McGoldricks either wing. Haveron will be centre half forward, Lynch probably in midfield, Not sure McGuckin fit enough with him bouncing back and forth to England. I actually play O`Boyle Full forward and Skinner work off him as O`Boyle not really a corner forward. Not blooding McGilligan Em Bradley, T O`Brien etc at Midfield or getting Bell back during the league left options here thin.
Derry's midfield seem to be cursed. Remember the same thing 2 years ago.
Who is Down's best man marker? I expect Skinner will want to put on a show having missed last year.
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 01, 2015, 09:07:46 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 01, 2015, 08:59:24 PM
If we can contain Skinner then I would be hopeful of a victory but he's hard to handle. Any word who will mark him??
I would give Garvey a rattle at him but Mc Corry probably wont start him.
Garvey is reportedly injured.
Darren O'Hagan is the man for that task.
I think Derrys defensive system is much more advanced than Downs. Any team that hold Dublin to 8 points is capable of holding to at least the same if not less. Over the past 10 years, Down have floundered against defensive systems. Open it up and we can play football with the best of them but shut it down and we are in trouble. McCorry has been trying to change things but I dont think it has ticked yet. Hopefully, hopefully, Sunday is the day.
Who's likely to play midfield for Down? McKernan and ?
Question for the Derry wans; where would be best for parking Sunday?
Quote from: lfdown2 on June 02, 2015, 11:36:48 AM
Question for the Derry wans; where would be best for parking Sunday?
What time are you landing ? If up for before the minor match, park along the Lonemoor Rd, the road CP is on. Park facing away from the town, ie towards Foyle Road. After the game, drive down the Lonemore Road to the Foyle Rd, hang a left and the Craigavon bridge is about a mile down the Rd. There will be a good bit of traffic after the game, but thats you handiest route out
good lad, cheers
Quote from: Down Follower on June 02, 2015, 10:59:07 AM
I think Derrys defensive system is much more advanced than Downs. Any team that hold Dublin to 8 points is capable of holding to at least the same if not less. Over the past 10 years, Down have floundered against defensive systems. Open it up and we can play football with the best of them but shut it down and we are in trouble. McCorry has been trying to change things but I dont think it has ticked yet. Hopefully, hopefully, Sunday is the day.
This sounds exactly like Derry.
Our midfield is a major worry yet again.
Any Down people like to predict a team?
For Derry my guess would be:
Mallon
Duffy Rogers McBride
Johnson McKaigue S.L.McGoldrick
Doherty Lynch
Heavron Kielt Lynn
Heron O Boyle E.Bradley
Quote from: general_lee on June 02, 2015, 11:30:06 AM
Who's likely to play midfield for Down? McKernan and ?
McKernan likely to be named CHF and roam back. Midfield likely to be two from Pete Turley, Pete Fitzpatrick or Paul Devlin....not the most inspiring
Actually Mooney likely to start midfield now that I think about it
At a guess
Kane
O Hagen
Howard
D Turley
Collins
McArdle
McGovern
Turley
Mooney
Devlin
Mckernan
Poland
O hare
Laverty
Maginn
Prob a few unknowns in there for Derry
Quote from: lfdown2 on June 02, 2015, 11:36:48 AM
Question for the Derry wans; where would be best for parking Sunday?
probably in your own driveway.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 02, 2015, 02:45:32 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on June 02, 2015, 11:36:48 AM
Question for the Derry wans; where would be best for parking Sunday?
probably in your own driveway.
that was the first option, nostalgia for championship got the better of me; a decision I am sure I will regret around 2:05 Sunday afternoon.
she is a wile small team there lads if that down team is correct.
Quote from: lfdown2 on June 02, 2015, 03:00:54 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 02, 2015, 02:45:32 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on June 02, 2015, 11:36:48 AM
Question for the Derry wans; where would be best for parking Sunday?
probably in your own driveway.
that was the first option, nostalgia for championship got the better of me; a decision I am sure I will regret around 2:05 Sunday afternoon.
park anywhere in the Bog and the pitch is not far away; in fact, the more towards the city centre of the Bog you go, the quicker it will be to get away and have a visit of the murals and a few pints in the local bars.
If Derry play Bradley and O'Boyle together and deliver quick early ball to them they'll beat Down easily. If Derry persist with the dreary sideways handpassing game Down could beat them.
What's the story with Mooney?
Did he play any league games? What's the form like? Likely to be a huge asset
Quote from: The Stallion on June 02, 2015, 10:13:32 PM
If Derry play Bradley and O'Boyle together and deliver quick early ball to them they'll beat Down easily. If Derry persist with the dreary sideways handpassing game Down could beat them.
Stallion, if football was only that black and white ! The 'dreary' hand-pass game is a part of it nowadays. The long early ball in, hitting points from 45m + and working a patient opening through hand passing crab-ball all need to be executed as and when to attempt to beat the blanket.
My two favourite Ulster teams.
Would be great to see them throw off the shackles and just go for it.
Two teams that typically play football the right way with the focus on attacking football (despire the recent anomalies) Down are a good side but I think we might pip them with home advance and skinner back.
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 02, 2015, 11:43:30 PM
What's the story with Mooney?
Did he play any league games? What's the form like? Likely to be a huge asset
He is gradually getting there. Got injured at the start of the NFL and was gradually introduced in the later games. Against Roscommon in the final he wasnt great in the first half but looked good as a target man in the second and won plenty of ball and set up the few scores that we got in the second half. I still feel there is so much more in him and maybe it will just take time for that to come through.
Even at underage, in the few games I saw him play, and in his games with Down recently, he seems an explosive type of player, quiet for 15 mins, then 1-1 in the next five mins. I dont think he will be the type of player to dominate a game, but at the same time has the ability to change things very quickly. To be honest, Down supporters havent seen a whole lot of him, bar his clubmates, but that is the impression I have so far. He has been tried in a few different positions which hasnt helped him prehaps, and it could be later in the summer or next year before he finds his feet properly. I think Martin Clarke returning next season will help him massively, because he is the type of player to get on the ball a lot and look to feed the likes of Mooney.
Quote from: The Stallion on June 02, 2015, 10:13:32 PM
If Derry play Bradley and O'Boyle together and deliver quick early ball to them they'll beat Down easily. If Derry persist with the dreary sideways handpassing game Down could beat them.
Since when did Derry ever beat anyone easily and certainly not Down in the Championship. We would need a system in place that allows someone like McFaul the opportunity to put good ball in but I'm sure Down will be better prepared that that. You are lucky in this type of game if you get 4 good quality passes during the course of the game ... like Derry in the Marshes did in '93 when Barton was pulling the strings
It's a poor Down side, can't see them containing Skinner and O'Boyle unless McIvor continues to insist on his lamentable tactics of late.
Saw Down twice in the league this year, very lucky winners against Galway and very easy winners against Laois. They played with basically three defenders, eight middle of the fielders and three forwards. In both games I reckon they got cleaned out in the midfield duels, but their half backs and half forwards more than made up for that weakness. McKernan is an obvious lynchpin and Derry may need to sacrifice someone to go man for man. Mooney reminded me of a young Spoofer, but seemed to be penalised a lot when challenging for high balls. Laverty is very hard to deal with and any contact with him will result in points from O'Hare and Devlin. I thought the full back line was left a bit exposed and if Derry play Bradley there he could get some reward.
I have no idea what the Derry team will be or what the tactics will be, but I would like to see the Rodge and Karl McKaigue making their debuts (although both in the FB line is a risk). Midfield pairing isn't as important as it once was, it won't be the winning and losing of the game.
Game could go either way, Derry players are good enough, Down have a better manager. If we lose it will be a short summer, if we win, we may get a bit of a run in the qualifiers after an Ulster semi-final defeat.
Hoping for a repeat of 92 and 93, but that hope is tempered with lifelong cynicism and realism.
Can't help think 11/8 for Down might be worth a small punt.
Mainly basing this off the difference in how teams who have gotten promoted from Division 2 have done compared to the record of teams relegated from Division 1 have done in that year's championship the past few years.
Derry team for Sunday, Is Emmett McGuckin injured? he not even on the panel,
1. Thomas Mallon (An Lúb)
2. Oisín Duffy (Forghleann)
3. Brendan Rogers (Sleacht Néill)
4. Dermot McBride (Baile na Scrine)
5. Kevin Johnston (Dún Geimhin)
6. Chrissy McKaigue (Sleacht Néill)
7. Ciarán McFaul (Gleann)
8. Niall Holly (Eoghan Rua)
9. Fergal Doherty (Baile Eachaidh)
10. Sean Leo McGoldrick (Eoghan Rua)
11. Mark Lynch (Beannchar) (capt)
12. Enda Lynn (Grainloch)
13. Benny Heron (Baile na Scrine)
14. Eoin Bradley (Gleann an Iolair)
15. Daniel Heavron (Machaire Fíolta)
16. Eoin McNicholl (Gleann an Iolair)
17. Liam McGoldrick (Eoghan Rua)
18. Aidan McAlynn (An Lúb)
19. Conor McAtamney (Suaitreach)
20. Terence O'Brien (An Lúb)
21. Neill McNicholl (Gleann an Iolair)
22. Conor Murphy (Dún Geimhin)
23. James Kielt (Cill Ria)
24. Cailean O'Boyle (Leamhaigh)
25. Daniel McKinless (Baile an Doire)
26. Niall Loughlin (Grainloch)
27. Brian Óg McGilligan (Beannchar)
28. Seán Brady (Baile Mhic Guaigín)
Derry management not able to count.
The named match day squad is supposed to be 26 :-[
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 04, 2015, 10:11:56 PM
Derry management not able to count.
The named match day squad is supposed to be 26 :-[
The number of players on the list is 28, so they can count whether or no its legit that's another matter
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 04, 2015, 10:11:56 PM
Derry management not able to count.
The named match day squad is supposed to be 26 :-[
Are you gonna tell Brian McGilligan snr that his young buck isn't getting a jersey!?
Feck Doherty is a machine, what age is he now anyway?
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 05, 2015, 12:16:55 AM
Feck Doherty is a machine, what age is he now anyway?
33 by my reckoning.
Quote from: JoG2 on June 04, 2015, 11:13:28 PM
Are you gonna tell Brian McGilligan snr that his young buck isn't getting a jersey!?
Well someone should remind him if he uses a player outside the submitted 26 that means the game is automatically forfeited.
Down team for Sunday.
Stevie Kane
Darren o Hagan
Luke Howard
Ryan Boyle
Damien Turley
Benny McArdle
Connail mc govern
Peter Fitzpatrick
Paul Devlin
Caolan Mooney
Connor maginn
Kevin McKernan
Mark poland
Connor laverty
Donal o hare
Was the full 26 named? Collins can feel hard done by, had a pretty decent league campaign. Front 6 is impressive on paper!
Looking forward to this now. Was explaining what the first round of the championship means to a friend from the other tradition this morning- the more I told him about the winter of expectation, the debates over who should start, the anticipated good weather, the colour and guttural roars, the more I realised how much these days are engrained in our life stories.
Two of our last three trips to Celtic Park have been in the top ten performances in the last 25 years ( probably first and tenth) while the most recent one was a hames and shouldn't have been allowed. Both sides probably as strong as they could be; the Rogers lad from Slaughtneil looked good on TV while Eoin Bradley looks good every time I see him and is probably the class act on show. O'Hagan rarely lets us down but it will be a tough challenge. Glad to see the rest of the selected defence and we badly missed Benny McArdle after the farcical red card against Roscommon. Pete T still brings more for me than Pete F but Mc Corry was always going to start PD and clearly thinks Fitzpatrick is a better partner. Holly and Doherty could edge it here but that alone won't determine the outcome. The front six are probably the best six available to us at present and I expect a big game from Poly- don't know what to expect from Caolan but the lad should thrive on a bright day in the white heat of Derry. Kinsella can be an annoying wee ballax of a ref and if it's tight, 8/1 the draw is a fair bet.
Agree with you regarding Bradley. Down always seem to bring the best out in him.
The inclusion of Boyle is probably the biggest surprise. Maybe I'm missing something but I wouldn't have McArdle starting. That being said CHB is probably his best position. The last time we played Derry in the Ulster Championship, Bradley almost destroyed us singlehandedly in the 1st half. Expect Derry to play as much early ball as possible to him.
Today I Learned that Mickey's Linden holds the over-50s 60m sprint Irish record.
Also it is Benny Coulter's 33rd birthday.
There is nothing worse then watching two bad teams play the blanket defence
3 points from play between the 2 teams at the 25 minute mark. :(
Quote from: INDIANA on June 07, 2015, 02:23:45 PM
There is nothing worse then watching two bad teams play the blanket defence
Dublin (Tipp & Kerry) Hurlers should have used one yesterday
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 07, 2015, 02:26:37 PM
3 points from play between the 2 teams at the 25 minute mark. :(
3 points from play between the 2 teams at the 30 minute mark. :(
Quote from: Two Hands FFS on June 07, 2015, 02:29:29 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 07, 2015, 02:23:45 PM
There is nothing worse then watching two bad teams play the blanket defence
Dublin (Tipp & Kerry) Hurlers should have used one yesterday
Don;t change the sport or subject. This is a terrible game of football.
Better fare then Ireland v England.
Mark Lynch class yet again
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 07, 2015, 02:39:43 PM
Better fare then Ireland v England.
Mark Lynch class yet again
Damming with faint praise there.
Much better fare than last Sundays Leinster mis match. Some great scores and passages of play on display today. Down physically light compared Derry.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 07, 2015, 02:43:17 PM
Much better fare than last Sundays Leinster mis match. Some great scores and passages of play on display today. Down physically light compared Derry.
Only for a sadist.
Misplaced passes, terrible wides, most of the scores from frees, cyncial tackling. All the worst excesses of the ulster championship.
Terrible fare. If this was a concert, you'd boo
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 07, 2015, 02:43:17 PM
Much better fare than last Sundays Leinster mis match. Some great scores and passages of play on display today. Down physically light compared Derry.
Bit like saying x is more lively than a funeral.
Oisin McConville saying the ref isn't fit enough to keep up with the play and is at fault for slowing down the game.
El Pres won't like that.
Lynch gave mcardle the run around and the difference between the sides. Derry do look vulnerable at the back, Down forwards just too small to break the tackle and create an opening.
Spillane is spot on with the poor quality of the tackling by both sides for the frees conceded. :o
There has been a world of lazy randomly throwing the hands in attempts at tackling today.
Down look more likely to score a goal.
That was a ridiculous looking red card.
Some pathetic dive there, worked out for him though with the red card.
Very harsh red card there
Absolute joke of a red card, once again an incompetent decision will have a major impact on the outcome of a game.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 07, 2015, 03:02:09 PM
Absolute joke of a red card, once again an incompetent decision will have a major impact on the outcome of a game.
Absolutely agree, game ruined by an incompetent referee.
Messed up thing is that he will in the middle of some game next weekend and so on
Soft red yes but when have you been allowed to push someone in the face?
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 07, 2015, 03:06:04 PM
Soft red yes but when have you been allowed to push someone in the face?
Yellow card no more big error by the ref.
In defence of the ref, the incident took place off the ball and McGovern had flung his hand out in the direction of the Derry player's face.
The fact that the Derry player went down holding his face definitely didnt help McGovern's cause.
Also he did go to the umpires for their opinion as well.
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 07, 2015, 03:06:04 PM
Soft red yes but when have you been allowed to push someone in the face?
yeah, I think what most are saying a yellow would have sufficed (to use Martin Carneys phrase)!
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 07, 2015, 03:06:04 PM
Soft red yes but when have you been allowed to push someone in the face?
Why is Martin Carney constantly chuckling this season
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 07, 2015, 03:09:21 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 07, 2015, 03:06:04 PM
Soft red yes but when have you been allowed to push someone in the face?
yeah, I think what most are saying a yellow would have sufficed (to use Martin Carneys phrase)!
Very much so
Quote from: joemamas on June 07, 2015, 03:03:58 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on June 07, 2015, 03:02:09 PM
Absolute joke of a red card, once again an incompetent decision will have a major impact on the outcome of a game.
Absolutely agree, game ruined by an incompetent referee.
Messed up thing is that he will in the middle of some game next weekend and so on
More the umpires id say
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 07, 2015, 03:08:46 PM
In defence of the ref, the incident took place off the ball and McGovern had flung his hand out in the direction of the Derry player's face.
The fact that the Derry player went down holding his face definitely didnt help McGovern's cause.
Also he did go to the umpires for their opinion as well.
Agreed the umpires called that... Big decision but as a referee you need to trust your line and umpires to give you the help needed when you don't see it... Would be overturned for sure
up there with the worst games I've ever watched. Absolutely terrible stuff
Quote from: INDIANA on June 07, 2015, 03:27:58 PM
up there with the worst games I've ever watched. Absolutely terrible stuff
Go and cut the grass then.
God they are both bad teams
Spillane comments should be interesting
Incredibly stupid of the Derry man there to hold onto the ball after the foul, when he knows well it will be moved up to a very scorable position, in such a tight game too.
Quote from: babarino on June 07, 2015, 03:28:39 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 07, 2015, 03:27:58 PM
up there with the worst games I've ever watched. Absolutely terrible stuff
Go and cut the grass then.
Already did and only one point was scored in the intervening period.
Would be a dis-service to Junior B players to describe the match as being at that standard
Quote from: INDIANA on June 07, 2015, 03:32:54 PM
Quote from: babarino on June 07, 2015, 03:28:39 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 07, 2015, 03:27:58 PM
up there with the worst games I've ever watched. Absolutely terrible stuff
Go and cut the grass then.
Already did and only one point was scored in the intervening period.
Would be a dis-service to Junior B players to describe the match as being at that standard
Don't be a p***k
Poor standard of football, very poor. I thought Down were the better team actually, terrible sending off decision
Quote from: INDIANA on June 07, 2015, 03:32:54 PM
Quote from: babarino on June 07, 2015, 03:28:39 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 07, 2015, 03:27:58 PM
up there with the worst games I've ever watched. Absolutely terrible stuff
Go and cut the grass then.
Already did and only one point was scored in the intervening period.
Would be a dis-service to Junior B players to describe the match as being at that standard
Agreed it was complete shit
Quote from: joemamas on June 07, 2015, 03:36:26 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 07, 2015, 03:32:54 PM
Quote from: babarino on June 07, 2015, 03:28:39 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 07, 2015, 03:27:58 PM
up there with the worst games I've ever watched. Absolutely terrible stuff
Go and cut the grass then.
Already did and only one point was scored in the intervening period.
Would be a dis-service to Junior B players to describe the match as being at that standard
Agreed it was complete shit
Both teams have better quality players then this rubbish. This is the problem with the blanket defence.
When played by two average teams is awful to watch.
See Kilcoo were best today
Quote from: INDIANA on June 07, 2015, 03:32:54 PM
Quote from: babarino on June 07, 2015, 03:28:39 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 07, 2015, 03:27:58 PM
up there with the worst games I've ever watched. Absolutely terrible stuff
Go and cut the grass then.
Already did and only one point was scored in the intervening period.
Would be a dis-service to Junior B players to describe the match as being at that standard
Zzzzz nobody's forcing you to watch it!!
We should have won that at a canter today switched off in the second half. Lynch is class but still goes missing for long spells.
Thought Rogers had an excellent games also Johnson!!!
The red card had no bearing on the game really.
Derry best first half and Down the better second half I think a draw would have been a fair result. Armagh or Donegal should beat Derry in the semi final.
The red card. Where your diving tr**p of a player went down like he was shot. Now I know why tyrone hate yis. horrible bastids. Horrible cheating bastids. Henry wouldn't have a look in.
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up there with the worst games I've ever watched. Absolutely terrible stuff
Go and cut the grass then.
Already did and only one point was scored in the intervening period.
Would be a dis-service to Junior B players to describe the match as being at that standard
Zzzzz nobody's forcing you to watch it!!
We should have won that at a canter today switched off in the second half. Lynch is class but still goes missing for long spells.
Thought Rogers had an excellent games also Johnson!!!
The red card had no bearing on the game really.
Do you think had Derry lost a man they would have played better?
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up there with the worst games I've ever watched. Absolutely terrible stuff
Go and cut the grass then.
Already did and only one point was scored in the intervening period.
Would be a dis-service to Junior B players to describe the match as being at that standard
Agreed it was complete shit
It was competitiv,e had some good individual displays, Mark Lynch, Eoin Bradley, Kevin Mckernan
Better then watching a game that was over after 10 minutes, like last week
Complete garbage from Derry today!
What is McIvers tactics??
Quote from: charlieTully on June 07, 2015, 03:49:20 PM
The red card. Where your diving tr**p of a player went down like he was shot. Now I know why tyrone hate yis. horrible bastids. Horrible cheating bastids. Henry wouldn't have a look in.
;D
Well, that was thrilling. In short, Derry deserved to lose, not because of a ferocious Down comeback, but because after the sending-off Derry had decided the game was over and apparently spent much of the second half in the dressing room. And Down, adopting a very effective tactic--get the ball into the half-forward line and let Derry foul them, almost stole a win. Apart from that, and with few exceptions, Down's distance shooting was very poor.
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Quote from: charlieTully on June 07, 2015, 03:49:20 PM
The red card. Where your diving tr**p of a player went down like he was shot. Now I know why tyrone hate yis. horrible bastids. Horrible cheating bastids. Henry wouldn't have a look in.
;D
Balanced by the red not given for dangerous high tackle
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up there with the worst games I've ever watched. Absolutely terrible stuff
Go and cut the grass then.
Already did and only one point was scored in the intervening period.
Would be a dis-service to Junior B players to describe the match as being at that standard
Agreed it was complete shit
It was competitiv,e had some good individual displays, Mark Lynch, Eoin Bradley, Kevin Mckernan
Better then watching a game that was over after 10 minutes, like last week
It wasn't Rodney. It's like saying watching Altrincham v Barnet was better then watching Woking v Rushen and Diamonds
Thats the problem with you guys your lowest common denominator is so low you don't know a bad game when you see one.
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up there with the worst games I've ever watched. Absolutely terrible stuff
Go and cut the grass then.
Already did and only one point was scored in the intervening period.
Would be a dis-service to Junior B players to describe the match as being at that standard
Agreed it was complete shit
It was competitiv,e had some good individual displays, Mark Lynch, Eoin Bradley, Kevin Mckernan
Better then watching a game that was over after 10 minutes, like last week
It wasn't Rodney. It's like saying watching Altrincham v Barnet was better then watching Woking v Rushen and Diamonds
Thats the problem with you guys your lowest common denominator is so low you don't know a bad game when you see one.
That's the problem with you guys. When you meet a team from ulster you get fcuked in the ass.
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up there with the worst games I've ever watched. Absolutely terrible stuff
Go and cut the grass then.
Already did and only one point was scored in the intervening period.
Would be a dis-service to Junior B players to describe the match as being at that standard
Agreed it was complete shit
It was competitiv,e had some good individual displays, Mark Lynch, Eoin Bradley, Kevin Mckernan
Better then watching a game that was over after 10 minutes, like last week
It wasn't Rodney. It's like saying watching Altrincham v Barnet was better then watching Woking v Rushen and Diamonds
Thats the problem with you guys your lowest common denominator is so low you don't know a bad game when you see one.
That's the problem with you guys. When you meet a team from ulster you get fcuked in the ass.
Like 2011 when we finished off Tyrone and Armagh? And beat the fabled Jesus defence
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Quote from: INDIANA on June 07, 2015, 03:27:58 PM
up there with the worst games I've ever watched. Absolutely terrible stuff
Go and cut the grass then.
Already did and only one point was scored in the intervening period.
Would be a dis-service to Junior B players to describe the match as being at that standard
Agreed it was complete shit
It was competitiv,e had some good individual displays, Mark Lynch, Eoin Bradley, Kevin Mckernan
Better then watching a game that was over after 10 minutes, like last week
It wasn't Rodney. It's like saying watching Altrincham v Barnet was better then watching Woking v Rushen and Diamonds
Thats the problem with you guys your lowest common denominator is so low you don't know a bad game when you see one.
That's the problem with you guys. When you meet a team from ulster you get fcuked in the ass.
Like 2011 when we finished off Tyrone and Armagh? And beat the fabled Jesus defence
How did that fair last year?
A couple of boys would need breathalysed before typing anymore.
Just home - poor game alright but on reflection Down have more to take from that than Derry. They are unlikely to trouble Armagh or Donegal unless they get better ball into Eoin Bradley and start Caolain O'Boyle. Their spine is good- Mallon's kick-outs were more effective than Kane's, Rogers totally eclipsed Poly, Mc Kaigue, Holly, Doherty and Lynch were an effective diamond and Bradley ran the first half but O'Hagan and Howard did a good job on him in the second. Or did Derry forgot they had him as an option as he has played so little for them this year ?
I lost a bit of respect for McIver today - his constant mouthing at the ref was only eclipsed by that a*** wipe former reserve keeper Kelly whose single role seems to be to intimidate the umpire and sledge Down players, particularly Caolan Mooney.
Down's defence did well - Mc Govern was slow to start but it was a serious ask for 14 men to play over 30 minutes with a man down on a fairly warm day.
Midfield was poor- as expected- Mooney had his moments but we badly needed Pete Turley or even Madine. Packy is not the answer and we badly lacked quality in this zone. Devlin's free taking was good.
Apart from Laverty and Mc Kernan, none of the forwards will want to think about this game too long.
However as you would expect from a Mc Corry team, Down stuck at it and poor shot selection from the subs cost us a draw at least. But from here on in, all depends on tomorrow's draw; a couple of wins will put the wind back in the sails as we were unlikely to win Ulster but getting to the last 12/8 will make it a good enough year.
It's a cliché but seeing the horrendous smash on the M2 on the way home really does put football into perspective.
Shocking stuff from Derry, just stopped when Down went down to 14, think been a whole lot better game if it stayed 15 aside, tactic wise am not sure what Derry are playing at, need a man up beside Bradley and Lynch to remain at 11, Down deserved a draw. I rather be going in to play Armagh / Donegal of a shocker instead of going in off a easy 14 man win, Derry have only about 5 men played anything for them at all. Down struggled at midfield all day until Doherty run out of steam round the 50min mark
On another note that Ref was shocking, i see a stat of his games is that 70% of scores always come from placed balls, back to Leinster with you. He been ref in the Tyrone v Donegal game it ended 12 a side
The Derry physio was outstanding, in a horrible game of gaelic football with officiating to match.
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up there with the worst games I've ever watched. Absolutely terrible stuff
Go and cut the grass then.
Already did and only one point was scored in the intervening period.
Would be a dis-service to Junior B players to describe the match as being at that standard
Agreed it was complete shit
It was competitiv,e had some good individual displays, Mark Lynch, Eoin Bradley, Kevin Mckernan
Better then watching a game that was over after 10 minutes, like last week
It wasn't Rodney. It's like saying watching Altrincham v Barnet was better then watching Woking v Rushen and Diamonds
Thats the problem with you guys your lowest common denominator is so low you don't know a bad game when you see one.
i've seen worse games. The game today wasn't as bad as the Ulster Final last year - Donegal and Monaghan.
Derry and Down in 2013 was a great game. Both sides played more attractive football that year.
Poor poor game with two teams that aren't looking like they'll go far this summer.
Down desperately needed a one-pass link between their half backs and full forwards.
All too often turn over ball was carried back up the field at almost pedestrian speeds allowing for establishment of an organised defence.
Conor Laverty needs to be at centre half forward, get the other wing forwards out of the road and use him as the link between defence and inside forwards. And centre half forwards shouldn't be on their own '40 too often.
Oh and the referee would be good for U-12 games. Maybe.
It's a frustrating game, as Down supporters know so well. Both sides were very ordinary in the first half but Down showed great spirit after another ludicrous red card forced us to play practically the entire second period with 14 men. A draw was the least we should have managed, and the referee appeared to make a complete mess of signalling the injury time. Two minutes was initially announced, and quickly changed to four minutes, which was about right given the sending off, a dust-up which resulted in four yellows and a number of other stoppages. Somehow another announcement cut the injury time to two minutes, which made no sense at all and deprived Down of a decent chance of an equaliser.
Derry have a fine defence, and Lynch and Bradley are top quality up front, but it is difficult to see them making an Ulster final. The Down forward line, with the exception of Laverty, is limited, and a run in the qualifiers will be totally dependent on tomorrow's draw. However, we must surely be due a slice of luck somewhere along the way.
A couple of Kane's kick-outs went badly astray but he settled after the break, and, even when we were a man down, regularly found team-mates. The defence did us proud, with Howard, Turley, Boyle and particularly O'Hagan looking the part. McArdle drove forward at every opportunity, although McGovern looked nervous early on and made a couple of errors before getting into the match and being dismissed for nothing more than a shove. .
Fitzpatrick had reportedly been flying at club level but his recall was sadly close to disastrous and almost everything he did went wrong. His miss just before the break was astonishing, he could easily have got a red for a wild tackle and it was amazing that he was not replaced much earlier. McKernan covered a huge amount of ground and got two wonderful first half points.
Devlin worked hard in open play without really hurting Derry, but his frees, apart one difficult enough effort, were excellent. Maginn put in his usual massive effort but it was not his day, while Poland had possibly not recovered from the lay-off after his eye injury, and, apart from winning a couple of frees, had a disappointing afternoon.
Mooney played in flashes, looking dangerous a couple of times but his passing needs to improve. O'Hare covered a lot of ground without every really contributing much and Laverty as ever was a gem. He almost single-handedly dragged us back into the contest when he dropped deep and shipped a series of heavy tackles for his troubles.
None of the subs made that much difference, although either Madine or Turley should really have come on at the break for Fitzpatrick.
Just watched the game again and I'll comment on it later...but Colm O'Rourke really is a bitter fcuker when it comes to Down. For jaysus sake Colm get over it...it was nearly 24 years ago.
What'd O'Rourke have to say?
Poland was a big let down today.
As someone said earlier, the physio did well
That game was nowhere near as bad as some have claimed. At least it was competitive unlike many of the turkey shoots in the other provinces. McIver will be delighted with the result and even moreso with the fact that they will go into a likely semi against Donegal slightly under the radar. I wouldn't discount them from winning Ulster but they will need to offer more of a scoring threat other than just Bradley and Lynch. On a side note the refereeing was shocking, the standard nationwide is very poor apart from a handful.
O'Rourke slated Skinner before the game as well. Then went on to say that he'll probably do well on the rookie full back, referring to Rogers. Unfortunately neither Pat nor Dara informed him that Rogers and Bradley we're playing on the same team.
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That game was nowhere near as bad as some have claimed. At least it was competitive unlike many of the turkey shoots in the other provinces. McIver will be delighted with the result and even moreso with the fact that they will go into a likely semi against Donegal slightly under the radar. I wouldn't discount them from winning Ulster but they will need to offer more of a scoring threat other than just Bradley and Lynch. On a side note the refereeing was shocking, the standard nationwide is very poor apart from a handful.
You're right it was nowhere near as bad as made out earlier- it was in fact far worse.
When will people in Ulster realise that competitiveness does not equal good skill.
Just review the misplaced passes, wides, poor tackling and cynical fouling. If Barnet played Cowenbeath it would be competitive. You can't use competitiveness as a measure of quality. Two drunks could match each other for quality in a race after last orders
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That game was nowhere near as bad as some have claimed. At least it was competitive unlike many of the turkey shoots in the other provinces. McIver will be delighted with the result and even moreso with the fact that they will go into a likely semi against Donegal slightly under the radar. I wouldn't discount them from winning Ulster but they will need to offer more of a scoring threat other than just Bradley and Lynch. On a side note the refereeing was shocking, the standard nationwide is very poor apart from a handful.
You're right it was nowhere near as bad as made out earlier- it was in fact far worse.
When will people in Ulster realise that competitiveness does not equal good skill.
Just review the misplaced passes, wides, poor tackling and cynical fouling. If Barnet played Cowenbeath it would be competitive. You can't use competitiveness as a measure of quality. Two drunks could match each other for quality in a race after last orders
if you don't like ulster football then don't f**king watch it . Stop bitching about it and watch your own province.
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That game was nowhere near as bad as some have claimed. At least it was competitive unlike many of the turkey shoots in the other provinces. McIver will be delighted with the result and even moreso with the fact that they will go into a likely semi against Donegal slightly under the radar. I wouldn't discount them from winning Ulster but they will need to offer more of a scoring threat other than just Bradley and Lynch. On a side note the refereeing was shocking, the standard nationwide is very poor apart from a handful.
dubs were shite too till the rest of us started throwing money St you.
You're right it was nowhere near as bad as made out earlier- it was in fact far worse.
When will people in Ulster realise that competitiveness does not equal good skill.
Just review the misplaced passes, wides, poor tackling and cynical fouling. If Barnet played Cowenbeath it would be competitive. You can't use competitiveness as a measure of quality. Two drunks could match each other for quality in a race after last orders
Quote from: Estimator on June 07, 2015, 10:11:05 PM
O'Rourke slated Skinner before the game as well. Then went on to say that he'll probably do well on the rookie full back, referring to Rogers. Unfortunately neither Pat nor Dara informed him that Rogers and Bradley we're playing on the same team.
Saw that....how much are these boys getting paid???
Did you hear him talking about Down's "Brendan McKernan".
You would nearly think he was talking about Skinner in that fashion because Brolly wasn't there. RTE saying...."say something controversial Colm....Joe's at the match with his Da!
Met him once at the races in Navan...he was a p***k then...plus ca change.
McIvor made a balls of a desision last year not accommodating Eoin Bradley while he had soccer commitments, he did this year.
Bradley was too good a player to be without. Derry lost to Donegal by 3 last year, Bradley would have made a difference no doubt.
We still cant understand why he woudlnt bring back Paddy bradley who been the top scorer in derry last year,
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Poland was a big let down today.
As someone said earlier, the physio did well
Byl dobrze oznakowany. Derry wygladac mistrzow.
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That game was nowhere near as bad as some have claimed. At least it was competitive unlike many of the turkey shoots in the other provinces. McIver will be delighted with the result and even moreso with the fact that they will go into a likely semi against Donegal slightly under the radar. I wouldn't discount them from winning Ulster but they will need to offer more of a scoring threat other than just Bradley and Lynch. On a side note the refereeing was shocking, the standard nationwide is very poor apart from a handful.
You're right it was nowhere near as bad as made out earlier- it was in fact far worse.
When will people in Ulster realise that competitiveness does not equal good skill.
Just review the misplaced passes, wides, poor tackling and cynical fouling. If Barnet played Cowenbeath it would be competitive. You can't use competitiveness as a measure of quality. Two drunks could match each other for quality in a race after last orders
It was a much better game than the Dublin Longford game from last weekend. At least nobody was falling asleep
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Quote from: Estimator on June 07, 2015, 10:11:05 PM
O'Rourke slated Skinner before the game as well. Then went on to say that he'll probably do well on the rookie full back, referring to Rogers. Unfortunately neither Pat nor Dara informed him that Rogers and Bradley we're playing on the same team.
Saw that....how much are these boys getting paid???
Did you hear him talking about Down's "Brendan McKernan".
You would nearly think he was talking about Skinner in that fashion because Brolly wasn't there. RTE saying...."say something controversial Colm....Joe's at the match with his Da!
Met him once at the races in Navan...he was a p***k then...plus ca change.
I bet you shouted, "Any tips, Colm?!", and he just ignored you.
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Quote from: yellowcard on June 07, 2015, 10:08:12 PM
That game was nowhere near as bad as some have claimed. At least it was competitive unlike many of the turkey shoots in the other provinces. McIver will be delighted with the result and even moreso with the fact that they will go into a likely semi against Donegal slightly under the radar. I wouldn't discount them from winning Ulster but they will need to offer more of a scoring threat other than just Bradley and Lynch. On a side note the refereeing was shocking, the standard nationwide is very poor apart from a handful.
You're right it was nowhere near as bad as made out earlier- it was in fact far worse.
When will people in Ulster realise that competitiveness does not equal good skill.
Just review the misplaced passes, wides, poor tackling and cynical fouling. If Barnet played Cowenbeath it would be competitive. You can't use competitiveness as a measure of quality. Two drunks could match each other for quality in a race after last orders
You've an awful chip on your shoulder regarding Ulster you pretentious cnut.
Both teams' first outings what else do you expect? Yeah it would be awfully nice to have Longford's second string at home as an opener where you can throw your debutants in with no pressure.
Oh and please spare us the shite soccer analogies.
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Quote from: yellowcard on June 07, 2015, 10:08:12 PM
That game was nowhere near as bad as some have claimed. At least it was competitive unlike many of the turkey shoots in the other provinces. McIver will be delighted with the result and even moreso with the fact that they will go into a likely semi against Donegal slightly under the radar. I wouldn't discount them from winning Ulster but they will need to offer more of a scoring threat other than just Bradley and Lynch. On a side note the refereeing was shocking, the standard nationwide is very poor apart from a handful.
You're right it was nowhere near as bad as made out earlier- it was in fact far worse.
When will people in Ulster realise that competitiveness does not equal good skill.
Just review the misplaced passes, wides, poor tackling and cynical fouling. If Barnet played Cowenbeath it would be competitive. You can't use competitiveness as a measure of quality. Two drunks could match each other for quality in a race after last orders
Fortunately that is unlikely to happen as they play in different countries.
Anyway I fail to see your point, if your deriding the game for a lack of quality then by extension your deriding the standard of gaelic football in the country. Indeed both of these counties are of a higher quality than 11 out of the 12 counties in Leinster if you base it on final league positions.
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Anyway I fail to see your point, if your deriding the game for a lack of quality then by extension your deriding the standard of gaelic football in the country. Indeed both of these counties are of a higher quality than 11 out of the 12 counties in Leinster if you base it on final league positions.
Ah yes, Yellowcard, but the majority of people in Leinster have been gathered together to form another team and it is reasonably good.
Poor enough game. Regarding the red card ,although it was harsh, down should have had mcgovern off at half time as he was complete manure in the first half, so they really only have themselves to blame😀
With a good space in hindsight, I'll accept that it was a competitive game, that Down reacted well after that ridiculous red card when many teams would have folded, but just couldn't close out a game that they had in the bag, that the game had an exciting element, that Down deserved a draw.
It's just that at the time of watching the game. it was a painful experience and I forget why.
It's the back door effect.
Even shit Derry/Down sides would have cut tripe outta each other in 1983.
Quote from: ONeill on June 09, 2015, 12:08:41 AM
It's the back door effect.
Even shit Derry/Down sides would have cut tripe outta each other in 1983.
+1
The back door has reduced the intensity of matches dramatically.
Although given the sh!te that football has become, would teams be even more scared of losing rather than trying to win with a return to the real championship? [i.e. more packed defenses?]
I watched the game again last night and without trying to sound like sour grapes, I think Enda Lynn should get 6 months for play acting. Watching the physio checking him for concussion etc would make you sick. If a Down player done the same id have no bother him getting 6 months either. Its the one thing that really puts me off Gaelic football at present. Its no longer creeping into the game,its part and parcel of it unfortunately and needs stamped out. In my opinion 10 times worse than Cavanagh pulling down McManus and that got some attention.
Sour grapes.
Possibly. But id hope not.
Quote from: ardtole on June 09, 2015, 03:53:56 PM
Possibly. But id hope not.
The "poor" Derry lad went down holding his face and he had a tattoo-says it all really.
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Quote from: ardtole on June 09, 2015, 03:53:56 PM
Possibly. But id hope not.
The "poor" Derry lad went down holding his face and he had a tattoo-says it all really.
Hang himmmmmm
Quote from: ardtole on June 09, 2015, 03:45:04 PM
I watched the game again last night and without trying to sound like sour grapes, I think Enda Lynn should get 6 months for play acting. Watching the physio checking him for concussion etc would make you sick. If a Down player done the same id have no bother him getting 6 months either. Its the one thing that really puts me off Gaelic football at present. Its no longer creeping into the game,its part and parcel of it unfortunately and needs stamped out. In my opinion 10 times worse than Cavanagh pulling down McManus and that got some attention.
that's your reasoned response ?! You'd make some judge ardtole
As I said in the Derry thread I don't think it was a red card but your man caught him with the butt of the hand and from what I'm told drew blood.
It's not as if he went down like a sack of spuds rolling around or did a Cavanagh swan dive but he was struck and blood was drawn so I think he's perfectly entitled to get treatment.
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As I said in the Derry thread I don't think it was a red card but your man caught him with the butt of the hand and from what I'm told drew blood.
It's not as if he went down like a sack of spuds rolling around or did a Cavanagh swan dive but he was struck and blood was drawn so I think he's perfectly entitled to get treatment.
Have to laugh at the attempt by the Derry posters to justify it. If Cavanagh had done it you would correctly be calling it for what it was, Diving and of the worst kind. Not just an attempt to win a free but to get a opposition player sent of.
How can a man look to get a player sent off by dropping to his hunkers??
By feigning injury or at the very least exaggerating it.
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By feigning injury or at the very least exaggerating it.
Nonsense. Are u from Down?
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As I said in the Derry thread I don't think it was a red card but your man caught him with the butt of the hand and from what I'm told drew blood.
It's not as if he went down like a sack of spuds rolling around or did a Cavanagh swan dive but he was struck and blood was drawn so I think he's perfectly entitled to get treatment.
You're as bad as that Tyrone lot! If I walked up to Enda Lynn today in the streetand done the exact same thing he'd prob look at me funny and ask wtf am I at. Even if he did catch him hard enough to draw blood, which he didn't, that hardly necessitates hitting the deck.
Not having a go at Derry btw, if the shoe was on the other foot I'm sure plenty of fellas on the Down team would have no hesitistion in doing the same. Not like me to speak up for someone from burren either lol.
The physio spent a couple of mins checking him for concussion etc. I think its something that needs looked at, the rugby have a better system whereby if a man is injured the medics can come on to the field while play continues. Might not have worked in this scenario but could in others. If a down player gets away with something similar in the next game I would have no problem with him getting a suspension after video review
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By feigning injury or at the very least exaggerating it.
Nonsense. Are u from Down?
which part of that statement is nonsense walter? im from down i have no problem in calling it as it is. it was blatant cheating, he feigned injury to try to get a player either booked or sent off.
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Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 09, 2015, 05:21:46 PM
By feigning injury or at the very least exaggerating it.
Nonsense. Are u from Down?
which part of that statement is nonsense walter? im from down i have no problem in calling it as it is. it was blatant cheating, he feigned injury to try to get a player either booked or sent off.
http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2015/0607/706541-video-down-red-card-against-derry/#media
Check the video from 11 to 14 seconds and spot the thumb fishooking Enda Lynn's mouth. It may not have been a red card offence but certainly not cheating or feigning / exaggerating an injury.
Quote from: ardtole on June 09, 2015, 03:45:04 PM
I watched the game again last night and without trying to sound like sour grapes, I think Enda Lynn should get 6 months for play acting. Watching the physio checking him for concussion etc would make you sick. If a Down player done the same id have no bother him getting 6 months either. Its the one thing that really puts me off Gaelic football at present. Its no longer creeping into the game,its part and parcel of it unfortunately and needs stamped out. In my opinion 10 times worse than Cavanagh pulling down McManus and that got some attention.
I'd have no problem having the Derry physio checking me out, I would milk that attention for all it was worth.
I checked your clip mac hinery and to me it was blatant play acting, I was going to say you would see worse in the playground, you would see worse in the creche. The referee has to take responsibilty too, he is in charge of his team, including selecting his umpires and on evidence of Sunday, they are inadequate. If the umpire deems McGoverns action a red card offence then he is not up to the required standard. To send a man off for a straight red for striking you have to be 100% certain, he made an error, that possibly cost Down the game.
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Quote from: ardtole on June 09, 2015, 03:45:04 PM
I watched the game again last night and without trying to sound like sour grapes, I think Enda Lynn should get 6 months for play acting. Watching the physio checking him for concussion etc would make you sick. If a Down player done the same id have no bother him getting 6 months either. Its the one thing that really puts me off Gaelic football at present. Its no longer creeping into the game,its part and parcel of it unfortunately and needs stamped out. In my opinion 10 times worse than Cavanagh pulling down McManus and that got some attention.
I'd have no problem having the Derry physio checking me out, I would milk that attention for all it was worth.
Nothing compared to the Down minor physio. 8) Any wonder our lads couldn't concentrate.
For all who crying about the man been sent off (which he shouldn't) plus a bit of -playacting on the Derry mans parts which i detest, i don't seem the same lads crying about the down player who nearly took the Derry players head off, that one was a red card all day long!
A bad tackle is a bad tackle. Definitely Could have been red. Diving is a different animal tho.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 10, 2015, 07:57:39 AM
A bad tackle is a bad tackle. Definitely Could have been red. Diving is a different animal tho.
When did he dive? He dropped to his hunkers.
It definitely wasn't a red but I don't think Lynn was trying to get him sent off.
Is there a video of the incident to watch again?
Was there even enough contact to drop to his hunkers. He still made a meal out of the situation and got his opponent sent off. Fitzpatricks tackle was late and clumsy, a red would have been harsh but couldnt have complained too much if he had of gone.
If I were a Down supporter I'd be more angry at the linesman than anyone else.
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Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 10, 2015, 07:57:39 AM
A bad tackle is a bad tackle. Definitely Could have been red. Diving is a different animal tho.
When did he dive? He dropped to his hunkers.
He went onto his knees and there the video stops, I didn't see the incident at the match but for all we know (unless you saw it), he could have lay down after that. Supposedly the doctor was checking him for concussion after so what else are the umpires going to think? Playacting at best if not diving.
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By feigning injury or at the very least exaggerating it.
Nonsense. Are u from Down?
which part of that statement is nonsense walter? im from down i have no problem in calling it as it is. it was blatant cheating, he feigned injury to try to get a player either booked or sent off.
I actually think you are right there.
You can see his cheek pushing backwards.
No way was it a red card (it could have been a black for cynical play but it was at least a yellow) but I honestly believe Lynn was hurt. He's not that type of player.....but to be honest up until seeing this clip I did think he'd uncharacteristically overreacted to what was an attempted push so I can understand the frustration from a Down point of view.
All in all, the ref had a shocker. However, as someone else rightly pointed out Down could have had another player sent off for a high challenge and didnt, so perhaps it evened out in that regard.
If anything though, the sending off kickstarted Down in that second half. Up until that point, Derry actually looked like they would be comfortable winners.
I believe the red card will be and should be rescinded, but lets be fair, neither team will go too far this year.
http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2015/0607/706541-video-down-red-card-against-derry/#media
Check the video from 11 to 14 seconds and spot the thumb fishooking Enda Lynn's mouth. It may not have been a red card offence but certainly not cheating or feigning / exaggerating an injury.
Complete sour grapes after watching that. Certainly not a dive or cheating nor was it a red card. As I said, if you have any issues it should not be with Lynn or Kinsella but the linesman.
After watching that again, I've no doubt it was play acting. Poor form for what was a brush of the hand.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this lads.
I will say one thing though, throughout Enda's career at both club and county level he is continually targeted and never goes down looking frees or to get his man sent off.
People are entitled to their own opinions so we'll leave it there.
Three people at fault here in descending order.1. The referee for not seeing that it was a very soft red card offence. Just like the black card rule which is still there but refs never apply any more, confident refs should demand a right to waive a rule for a minor transgression. ( eg a fault yes but not a sending off. Who in the crowd would have any problem if a yellow was flashed instead?). 2. The linesman who reacted to the crowd and put pressure on the ref to do what he did. 3. Mc Govern who was taking a risk that might be punishable and in doing so put his team at a disadvantage.
Those three are much more at fault than Enda Lynn who has just received a border line dirty push off to the face. Could he have stayed up. Yes. I'd say he probably wouldn't have objected to getting McGovern a yellow and was more surprised than anyone when the red came out.
So on the list of who's to blame I personally (as a complete neutral) place Lynn fourth in line.
Quote from: bannside on June 10, 2015, 03:15:33 PM
Three people at fault here in descending order.1. The referee for not seeing that it was a very soft red card offence. Just like the black card rule which is still there but refs never apply any more, confident refs should demand a right to waive a rule for a minor transgression. ( eg a fault yes but not a sending off. Who in the crowd would have any problem if a yellow was flashed instead?). 2. The linesman who reacted to the crowd and put pressure on the ref to do what he did. 3. Mc Govern who was taking a risk that might be punishable and in doing so put his team at a disadvantage.
Those three are much more at fault than Enda Lynn who has just received a border line dirty push off to the face. Could he have stayed up. Yes. I'd say he probably wouldn't have objected to getting McGovern a yellow and was more surprised than anyone when the red came out.
So on the list of who's to blame I personally (as a complete neutral) place Lynn fourth in line.
The bit in bold is the issue for me, and would put Lynn at the top of my list to blame. A mistake can happen by referee, linesman etc. But it was a decision by Lynn to drop down.
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Quote from: bannside on June 10, 2015, 03:15:33 PM
Three people at fault here in descending order.1. The referee for not seeing that it was a very soft red card offence. Just like the black card rule which is still there but refs never apply any more, confident refs should demand a right to waive a rule for a minor transgression. ( eg a fault yes but not a sending off. Who in the crowd would have any problem if a yellow was flashed instead?). 2. The linesman who reacted to the crowd and put pressure on the ref to do what he did. 3. Mc Govern who was taking a risk that might be punishable and in doing so put his team at a disadvantage.
Those three are much more at fault than Enda Lynn who has just received a border line dirty push off to the face. Could he have stayed up. Yes. I'd say he probably wouldn't have objected to getting McGovern a yellow and was more surprised than anyone when the red came out.
So on the list of who's to blame I personally (as a complete neutral) place Lynn fourth in line.
The bit in bold is the issue for me, and would put Lynn at the top of my list to blame. A mistake can happen by referee, linesman etc. But it was a decision by Lynn to drop down.
It was also a decision by McGovern. Would he not be top of your list?
In any case this was not the winning or losing of the game. From Derry's perspective they probably feel like they stopped playing after the red card and could have won by more without it.
This was simply a 'hand-off' between opponents that you see soo many times in games. It was meant as nothing more. It wasn't a strike nor a lashing out. Lynn happened to be caught in the mouth with a slight fish hook and yes his reaction was over the top but its been made into something it really is not at this stage. Id expect McGovern's red to be overturned and everyone learn from it in future including officials. Time to move on.
Down didn't lose the game due to the sending off or in spite of the sending off but rather through inability to take their chances when they presented themselves. Down were just slightly crapper than Derry on the day.
It was the Derry backroom team who put the umpire under pressure
as they were on their way back to the dug-out after halftime.
Apart from not being a red card offence,it's the length of time Lynn stays
down until the Doctor and Referee arrive. Quite pathetic and play-acting at
it's ugliest. See what sort of slaps he'll get now from Donegal or Armagh.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 10, 2015, 03:35:04 PM
This was simply a 'hand-off' between opponents that you see soo many times in games. It was meant as nothing more. It wasn't a strike nor a lashing out. Lynn happened to be caught in the mouth with a slight fish hook and yes his reaction was over the top but its been made into something it really is not at this stage. Id expect McGovern's red to be overturned and everyone learn from it in future including officials. Time to move on.
Down didn't lose the game due to the sending off or in spite of the sending off but rather through inability to take their chances when they presented themselves. Down were just slightly crapper than Derry on the day.
Well said BT.
Quote from: rosskarr on June 10, 2015, 03:50:10 PM
It was the Derry backroom team who put the umpire under pressure
as they were on their way back to the dug-out after halftime.
Apart from not being a red card offence,it's the length of time Lynn stays
down until the Doctor and Referee arrive. Quite pathetic and play-acting at
it's ugliest. See what sort of slaps he'll get now from Donegal or Armagh.
Ooooh Enda if your reading this, time to hang up the boots!!
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Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 10, 2015, 03:24:48 PM
Quote from: bannside on June 10, 2015, 03:15:33 PM
Three people at fault here in descending order.1. The referee for not seeing that it was a very soft red card offence. Just like the black card rule which is still there but refs never apply any more, confident refs should demand a right to waive a rule for a minor transgression. ( eg a fault yes but not a sending off. Who in the crowd would have any problem if a yellow was flashed instead?). 2. The linesman who reacted to the crowd and put pressure on the ref to do what he did. 3. Mc Govern who was taking a risk that might be punishable and in doing so put his team at a disadvantage.
Those three are much more at fault than Enda Lynn who has just received a border line dirty push off to the face. Could he have stayed up. Yes. I'd say he probably wouldn't have objected to getting McGovern a yellow and was more surprised than anyone when the red came out.
So on the list of who's to blame I personally (as a complete neutral) place Lynn fourth in line.
The bit in bold is the issue for me, and would put Lynn at the top of my list to blame. A mistake can happen by referee, linesman etc. But it was a decision by Lynn to drop down.
It was also a decision by McGovern. Would he not be top of your list?
He wasn't even looking at Lynn, so it was hardly a decision to push him in the face.
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Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 10, 2015, 03:24:48 PM
Quote from: bannside on June 10, 2015, 03:15:33 PM
Three people at fault here in descending order.1. The referee for not seeing that it was a very soft red card offence. Just like the black card rule which is still there but refs never apply any more, confident refs should demand a right to waive a rule for a minor transgression. ( eg a fault yes but not a sending off. Who in the crowd would have any problem if a yellow was flashed instead?). 2. The linesman who reacted to the crowd and put pressure on the ref to do what he did. 3. Mc Govern who was taking a risk that might be punishable and in doing so put his team at a disadvantage.
Those three are much more at fault than Enda Lynn who has just received a border line dirty push off to the face. Could he have stayed up. Yes. I'd say he probably wouldn't have objected to getting McGovern a yellow and was more surprised than anyone when the red came out.
So on the list of who's to blame I personally (as a complete neutral) place Lynn fourth in line.
The bit in bold is the issue for me, and would put Lynn at the top of my list to blame. A mistake can happen by referee, linesman etc. But it was a decision by Lynn to drop down.
It was also a decision by McGovern. Would he not be top of your list?
In any case this was not the winning or losing of the game. From Derry's perspective they probably feel like they stopped playing after the red card and could have won by more without it.
McGovern made a decision to push of Lynn. I've no issue with that decision. It happens 20 times a game.
I do agree it didn't lose Down the game.
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Quote from: bannside on June 10, 2015, 03:15:33 PM
Three people at fault here in descending order.1. The referee for not seeing that it was a very soft red card offence. Just like the black card rule which is still there but refs never apply any more, confident refs should demand a right to waive a rule for a minor transgression. ( eg a fault yes but not a sending off. Who in the crowd would have any problem if a yellow was flashed instead?). 2. The linesman who reacted to the crowd and put pressure on the ref to do what he did. 3. Mc Govern who was taking a risk that might be punishable and in doing so put his team at a disadvantage.
Those three are much more at fault than Enda Lynn who has just received a border line dirty push off to the face. Could he have stayed up. Yes. I'd say he probably wouldn't have objected to getting McGovern a yellow and was more surprised than anyone when the red came out.
So on the list of who's to blame I personally (as a complete neutral) place Lynn fourth in line.
The bit in bold is the issue for me, and would put Lynn at the top of my list to blame. A mistake can happen by referee, linesman etc. But it was a decision by Lynn to drop down.
It was also a decision by McGovern. Would he not be top of your list?
He wasn't even looking at Lynn, so it was hardly a decision to push him in the face.
Yeah, he must have just been having a wee stretch... ::)
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Quote from: bannside on June 10, 2015, 03:15:33 PM
Three people at fault here in descending order.1. The referee for not seeing that it was a very soft red card offence. Just like the black card rule which is still there but refs never apply any more, confident refs should demand a right to waive a rule for a minor transgression. ( eg a fault yes but not a sending off. Who in the crowd would have any problem if a yellow was flashed instead?). 2. The linesman who reacted to the crowd and put pressure on the ref to do what he did. 3. Mc Govern who was taking a risk that might be punishable and in doing so put his team at a disadvantage.
Those three are much more at fault than Enda Lynn who has just received a border line dirty push off to the face. Could he have stayed up. Yes. I'd say he probably wouldn't have objected to getting McGovern a yellow and was more surprised than anyone when the red came out.
So on the list of who's to blame I personally (as a complete neutral) place Lynn fourth in line.
The bit in bold is the issue for me, and would put Lynn at the top of my list to blame. A mistake can happen by referee, linesman etc. But it was a decision by Lynn to drop down.
It was also a decision by McGovern. Would he not be top of your list?
He wasn't even looking at Lynn, so it was hardly a decision to push him in the face.
Yeah, he must have just been having a wee stretch... ::)
Loom at the video and tell me he was looking at Lynn and deliberately caught him in the face. He meant to push him, obviously, but in the chest, not the face. It's not Kinsella's fault though.
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Quote from: bannside on June 10, 2015, 03:15:33 PM
Three people at fault here in descending order.1. The referee for not seeing that it was a very soft red card offence. Just like the black card rule which is still there but refs never apply any more, confident refs should demand a right to waive a rule for a minor transgression. ( eg a fault yes but not a sending off. Who in the crowd would have any problem if a yellow was flashed instead?). 2. The linesman who reacted to the crowd and put pressure on the ref to do what he did. 3. Mc Govern who was taking a risk that might be punishable and in doing so put his team at a disadvantage.
Those three are much more at fault than Enda Lynn who has just received a border line dirty push off to the face. Could he have stayed up. Yes. I'd say he probably wouldn't have objected to getting McGovern a yellow and was more surprised than anyone when the red came out.
So on the list of who's to blame I personally (as a complete neutral) place Lynn fourth in line.
The bit in bold is the issue for me, and would put Lynn at the top of my list to blame. A mistake can happen by referee, linesman etc. But it was a decision by Lynn to drop down.
...Please continue
You worded that well ;-)
Quote from: yellowcard on June 08, 2015, 10:20:28 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 07, 2015, 10:15:18 PM
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That game was nowhere near as bad as some have claimed. At least it was competitive unlike many of the turkey shoots in the other provinces. McIver will be delighted with the result and even moreso with the fact that they will go into a likely semi against Donegal slightly under the radar. I wouldn't discount them from winning Ulster but they will need to offer more of a scoring threat other than just Bradley and Lynch. On a side note the refereeing was shocking, the standard nationwide is very poor apart from a handful.
You're right it was nowhere near as bad as made out earlier- it was in fact far worse.
When will people in Ulster realise that competitiveness does not equal good skill.
Just review the misplaced passes, wides, poor tackling and cynical fouling. If Barnet played Cowenbeath it would be competitive. You can't use competitiveness as a measure of quality. Two drunks could match each other for quality in a race after last orders
Fortunately that is unlikely to happen as they play in different countries.
Anyway I fail to see your point, if your deriding the game for a lack of quality then by extension your deriding the standard of gaelic football in the country. Indeed both of these counties are of a higher quality than 11 out of the 12 counties in Leinster if you base it on final league positions.
My point is it was a diabolical match to watch. If you give me a piece of chalk I will spell it out clearer for you . Don't be bringing extraneous non entity arguments into it. Judge each game on its merits
And that was an utterly dreadful game . Devoid of skill, entertainment and quality . But it had "intensity" which is an Ulster GAA fan's fail safe.
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Quote from: yellowcard on June 08, 2015, 10:20:28 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 07, 2015, 10:15:18 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 07, 2015, 10:08:12 PM
That game was nowhere near as bad as some have claimed. At least it was competitive unlike many of the turkey shoots in the other provinces. McIver will be delighted with the result and even moreso with the fact that they will go into a likely semi against Donegal slightly under the radar. I wouldn't discount them from winning Ulster but they will need to offer more of a scoring threat other than just Bradley and Lynch. On a side note the refereeing was shocking, the standard nationwide is very poor apart from a handful.
You're right it was nowhere near as bad as made out earlier- it was in fact far worse.
When will people in Ulster realise that competitiveness does not equal good skill.
Just review the misplaced passes, wides, poor tackling and cynical fouling. If Barnet played Cowenbeath it would be competitive. You can't use competitiveness as a measure of quality. Two drunks could match each other for quality in a race after last orders
Fortunately that is unlikely to happen as they play in different countries.
Anyway I fail to see your point, if your deriding the game for a lack of quality then by extension your deriding the standard of gaelic football in the country. Indeed both of these counties are of a higher quality than 11 out of the 12 counties in Leinster if you base it on final league positions.
My point is it was a diabolical match to watch. If you give me a piece of chalk I will spell it out clearer for you . Don't be bringing extraneous non entity arguments into it. Judge each game on its merits
And that was an utterly dreadful game . Devoid of skill, entertainment and quality . But it had "intensity" which is an Ulster GAA fan's fail safe.
There were scores in the game from Bradley, Lynch and McKernan that would grace any field in the country. There was one point in the game so it was entertaining enough. The quality wasn't great but it's early days yet.
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Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 10, 2015, 03:24:48 PM
Quote from: bannside on June 10, 2015, 03:15:33 PM
Three people at fault here in descending order.1. The referee for not seeing that it was a very soft red card offence. Just like the black card rule which is still there but refs never apply any more, confident refs should demand a right to waive a rule for a minor transgression. ( eg a fault yes but not a sending off. Who in the crowd would have any problem if a yellow was flashed instead?). 2. The linesman who reacted to the crowd and put pressure on the ref to do what he did. 3. Mc Govern who was taking a risk that might be punishable and in doing so put his team at a disadvantage.
Those three are much more at fault than Enda Lynn who has just received a border line dirty push off to the face. Could he have stayed up. Yes. I'd say he probably wouldn't have objected to getting McGovern a yellow and was more surprised than anyone when the red came out.
So on the list of who's to blame I personally (as a complete neutral) place Lynn fourth in line.
The bit in bold is the issue for me, and would put Lynn at the top of my list to blame. A mistake can happen by referee, linesman etc. But it was a decision by Lynn to drop down.
...Please continue
You worded that well ;-)
Continue what?
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 10, 2015, 06:37:11 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 10, 2015, 06:14:48 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 08, 2015, 10:20:28 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 07, 2015, 10:15:18 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 07, 2015, 10:08:12 PM
That game was nowhere near as bad as some have claimed. At least it was competitive unlike many of the turkey shoots in the other provinces. McIver will be delighted with the result and even moreso with the fact that they will go into a likely semi against Donegal slightly under the radar. I wouldn't discount them from winning Ulster but they will need to offer more of a scoring threat other than just Bradley and Lynch. On a side note the refereeing was shocking, the standard nationwide is very poor apart from a handful.
You're right it was nowhere near as bad as made out earlier- it was in fact far worse.
When will people in Ulster realise that competitiveness does not equal good skill.
Just review the misplaced passes, wides, poor tackling and cynical fouling. If Barnet played Cowenbeath it would be competitive. You can't use competitiveness as a measure of quality. Two drunks could match each other for quality in a race after last orders
Fortunately that is unlikely to happen as they play in different countries.
Anyway I fail to see your point, if your deriding the game for a lack of quality then by extension your deriding the standard of gaelic football in the country. Indeed both of these counties are of a higher quality than 11 out of the 12 counties in Leinster if you base it on final league positions.
My point is it was a diabolical match to watch. If you give me a piece of chalk I will spell it out clearer for you . Don't be bringing extraneous non entity arguments into it. Judge each game on its merits
And that was an utterly dreadful game . Devoid of skill, entertainment and quality . But it had "intensity" which is an Ulster GAA fan's fail safe.
There were scores in the game from Bradley, Lynch and McKernan that would grace any field in the country. There was one point in the game so it was entertaining enough. The quality wasn't great but it's early days yet.
Ignore him. He wishes he was from Ulster. Or that his county was from Ulster. He sounds like an RTE pundit ffs.
Like Enda McGinley said the other night on a championship discussion panel hosted by Armagh GAA, these boys aren't in the entertainment business. Not that Sunday's game was even devoid of it.
Skill: see Fergal Doc, McKernan, Lynch, Skinner, Lynn, Devlin; Indiana must have selective vision
Entertainment: Bit of controversy. Some nice scores. Result always in doubt. Two teams that went hell for leather. Poor atmosphere granted but it was in Celtic Park so that can't be helped.
Quality: Quality is subjective. Two defensive teams. So what? What the game lacked in free-flowingness was made up for in our old friend intensity ;)
As a neutral I enjoyed the game. Not the best game ever by any stretch of the imagination but certainly not the worst. Neither team will go far unless Derry work some sort of miracle in the USFC as the qualifiers are not their friend. Down are lacking too much in midfield and half forward line to be any sort of a threat.
Indiana has been scarred by Dublin's last two games with Donegal. First it was Donegal he picked on, then it was Tyrone after he deemed their behaviour inappropriate in the U21 and it's slowly morphed into the whole of ulster lol. I'm not sure when he'll start on Kerry as he seems to keep his disdain for ulster.
I think it's like an all star exhibition game you want every week Indiana...
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Quote from: yellowcard on June 08, 2015, 10:20:28 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 07, 2015, 10:15:18 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 07, 2015, 10:08:12 PM
That game was nowhere near as bad as some have claimed. At least it was competitive unlike many of the turkey shoots in the other provinces. McIver will be delighted with the result and even moreso with the fact that they will go into a likely semi against Donegal slightly under the radar. I wouldn't discount them from winning Ulster but they will need to offer more of a scoring threat other than just Bradley and Lynch. On a side note the refereeing was shocking, the standard nationwide is very poor apart from a handful.
You're right it was nowhere near as bad as made out earlier- it was in fact far worse.
When will people in Ulster realise that competitiveness does not equal good skill.
Just review the misplaced passes, wides, poor tackling and cynical fouling. If Barnet played Cowenbeath it would be competitive. You can't use competitiveness as a measure of quality. Two drunks could match each other for quality in a race after last orders
Fortunately that is unlikely to happen as they play in different countries.
Anyway I fail to see your point, if your deriding the game for a lack of quality then by extension your deriding the standard of gaelic football in the country. Indeed both of these counties are of a higher quality than 11 out of the 12 counties in Leinster if you base it on final league positions.
My point is it was a diabolical match to watch. If you give me a piece of chalk I will spell it out clearer for you . Don't be bringing extraneous non entity arguments into it. Judge each game on its merits
And that was an utterly dreadful game . Devoid of skill, entertainment and quality . But it had "intensity" which is an Ulster GAA fan's fail safe.
There were scores in the game from Bradley, Lynch and McKernan that would grace any field in the country. There was one point in the game so it was entertaining enough. The quality wasn't great but it's early days yet.
Ignore him. He wishes he was from Ulster. Or that his county was from Ulster. He sounds like an RTE pundit ffs.
Like Enda McGinley said the other night on a championship discussion panel hosted by Armagh GAA, these boys aren't in the entertainment business. Not that Sunday's game was even devoid of it.
Skill: see Fergal Doc, McKernan, Lynch, Skinner, Lynn, Devlin; Indiana must have selective vision
Entertainment: Bit of controversy. Some nice scores. Result always in doubt. Two teams that went hell for leather. Poor atmosphere granted but it was in Celtic Park so that can't be helped.
Quality: Quality is subjective. Two defensive teams. So what? What the game lacked in free-flowingness was made up for in our old friend intensity ;)
As a neutral I enjoyed the game. Not the best game ever by any stretch of the imagination but certainly not the worst. Neither team will go far unless Derry work some sort of miracle in the USFC as the qualifiers are not their friend. Down are lacking too much in midfield and half forward line to be any sort of a threat.
I agree with what your saying General in general, but bar last years qualifier disaster @ CP (no disrespect to Longford), I think Derry have won more qualifier games than any other county
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 11, 2015, 11:11:41 AM
Indiana has been scarred by Dublin's last two games with Donegal. First it was Donegal he picked on, then it was Tyrone after he deemed their behaviour inappropriate in the U21 and it's slowly morphed into the whole of ulster lol. I'm not sure when he'll start on Kerry as he seems to keep his disdain for ulster.
I think it's like an all star exhibition game you want every week Indiana...
No scarring I just look at the roll of honour and tot up the number of all Ireland's won by Ulster counties. You don't need higher level maths as the number isn't too high
It was a brutal game of football. More waffle from Brian Mc Guigan about wanting Ulster referees. As if it's a different sport. I mean it's laughable that winning an Ulster Chsmpionship means more then a AI. As if it's some form of a better game up North because it has "intensity"
I enjoyed Donegal and Tyrone. But that last Sunday was absolute rubbish and no improvement on a turkey shoot. But it had "intensity". Ulster football loves a hod carrier but it's footballers that win AIs and Down and Derry have about 5 quality players between them . Some players couldn't even score from straight in front of the posts with nobody around them. Others couldn't execute even the most basic of hand passes .
They're teams who are barely top 8 in the country though so you're not going to expect it to be the greatest football game in the world.
While people do jazz it up with talk of intensity there aren't that many teams who go out and play free flowing football all the time - anywhere. Dublin yes. Who else? The only other teams who do that usually get hammered.
I'm not sure what you expect...
Two evenly matched decent teams nullified each other shocker.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 11, 2015, 03:35:43 PM
They're teams who are barely top 8 in the country though so you're not going to expect it to be the greatest football game in the world.
While people do jazz it up with talk of intensity there aren't that many teams who go out and play free flowing football all the time - anywhere. Dublin yes. Who else? The only other teams who do that usually get hammered.
I'm not sure what you expect...
If you think Dublin will be going all out attack this year you're crazy!!! Not after they got hockeyed last year doing it we got evidence of it when they played us, Tyrone, Monaghan when they regularly had 13 men behind the ball.
The Dubs are probably a better team than Donegal were at the time last year but that doesn't matter a damn when you look at the scoreboard!!
There were a few sma
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Quote from: imtommygunn on June 11, 2015, 03:35:43 PM
They're teams who are barely top 8 in the country though so you're not going to expect it to be the greatest football game in the world.
While people do jazz it up with talk of intensity there aren't that many teams who go out and play free flowing football all the time - anywhere. Dublin yes. Who else? The only other teams who do that usually get hammered.
I'm not sure what you expect...
If you think Dublin will be going all out attack this year you're crazy!!! Not after they got hockeyed last year doing it we got evidence of it when they played us, Tyrone, Monaghan when they regularly had 13 men behind the ball.
The Dubs are probably a better team than Donegal were at the time last year but that doesn't matter a damn when you look at the scoreboard!!
I'm not convinced... If they had a CHB who would hold their ground that would be a start.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on June 11, 2015, 11:11:41 AM
Indiana has been scarred by Dublin's last two games with Donegal. First it was Donegal he picked on, then it was Tyrone after he deemed their behaviour inappropriate in the U21 and it's slowly morphed into the whole of ulster lol. I'm not sure when he'll start on Kerry as he seems to keep his disdain for ulster.
I think it's like an all star exhibition game you want every week Indiana...
No scarring I just look at the roll of honour and tot up the number of all Ireland's won by Ulster counties. You don't need higher level maths as the number isn't too high
It was a brutal game of football. More waffle from Brian Mc Guigan about wanting Ulster referees. As if it's a different sport. I mean it's laughable that winning an Ulster Chsmpionship means more then a AI. As if it's some form of a better game up North because it has "intensity"
I enjoyed Donegal and Tyrone. But that last Sunday was absolute rubbish and no improvement on a turkey shoot. But it had "intensity". Ulster football loves a hod carrier but it's footballers that win AIs and Down and Derry have about 5 quality players between them . Some players couldn't even score from straight in front of the posts with nobody around them. Others couldn't execute even the most basic of hand passes .
:o
Yeah JoG2 not sure who said that either... Where'd that come from Indiana?
Stupidest thing I've read in a long time, how is an Ulster worth more than the All-Ireland?
Well I don't know about wanting Ulster referees but that guy Kinsella is completely useless, thats for certain. He made me think that he was the wee useless guy that got picked last for all the teams and is hell bent on getting his revenge on all the good footballers now.
He certainly doesn't have a monopoly on being rubbish, but he blew for everything. I'd rather a crap referee who let things go a bit than one like Kinsella.
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That game was nowhere near as bad as some have claimed. At least it was competitive unlike many of the turkey shoots in the other provinces. McIver will be delighted with the result and even moreso with the fact that they will go into a likely semi against Donegal slightly under the radar. I wouldn't discount them from winning Ulster but they will need to offer more of a scoring threat other than just Bradley and Lynch. On a side note the refereeing was shocking, the standard nationwide is very poor apart from a handful.
You're right it was nowhere near as bad as made out earlier- it was in fact far worse.
When will people in Ulster realise that competitiveness does not equal good skill.
Just review the misplaced passes, wides, poor tackling and cynical fouling. If Barnet played Cowenbeath it would be competitive. You can't use competitiveness as a measure of quality. Two drunks could match each other for quality in a race after last orders
Fortunately that is unlikely to happen as they play in different countries.
Anyway I fail to see your point, if your deriding the game for a lack of quality then by extension your deriding the standard of gaelic football in the country. Indeed both of these counties are of a higher quality than 11 out of the 12 counties in Leinster if you base it on final league positions.
My point is it was a diabolical match to watch. If you give me a piece of chalk I will spell it out clearer for you . Don't be bringing extraneous non entity arguments into it. Judge each game on its merits
And that was an utterly dreadful game . Devoid of skill, entertainment and quality . But it had "intensity" which is an Ulster GAA fan's fail safe.
There were scores in the game from Bradley, Lynch and McKernan that would grace any field in the country. There was one point in the game so it was entertaining enough. The quality wasn't great but it's early days yet.
Ignore him. He wishes he was from Ulster. Or that his county was from Ulster. He sounds like an RTE pundit ffs.
Like Enda McGinley said the other night on a championship discussion panel hosted by Armagh GAA, these boys aren't in the entertainment business. Not that Sunday's game was even devoid of it.
Skill: see Fergal Doc, McKernan, Lynch, Skinner, Lynn, Devlin; Indiana must have selective vision
Entertainment: Bit of controversy. Some nice scores. Result always in doubt. Two teams that went hell for leather. Poor atmosphere granted but it was in Celtic Park so that can't be helped.
Quality: Quality is subjective. Two defensive teams. So what? What the game lacked in free-flowingness was made up for in our old friend intensity ;)
As a neutral I enjoyed the game. Not the best game ever by any stretch of the imagination but certainly not the worst. Neither team will go far unless Derry work some sort of miracle in the USFC as the qualifiers are not their friend. Down are lacking too much in midfield and half forward line to be any sort of a threat.
I agree with what your saying General in general, but bar last years qualifier disaster @ CP (no disrespect to Longford), I think Derry have won more qualifier games than any other county
Yeah my bad, I have just always expected a lot more from Derry given some of the footballers yous had/still have. Had that Longford game in mind, wasn't there one or two other surprise exits?
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That game was nowhere near as bad as some have claimed. At least it was competitive unlike many of the turkey shoots in the other provinces. McIver will be delighted with the result and even moreso with the fact that they will go into a likely semi against Donegal slightly under the radar. I wouldn't discount them from winning Ulster but they will need to offer more of a scoring threat other than just Bradley and Lynch. On a side note the refereeing was shocking, the standard nationwide is very poor apart from a handful.
You're right it was nowhere near as bad as made out earlier- it was in fact far worse.
When will people in Ulster realise that competitiveness does not equal good skill.
Just review the misplaced passes, wides, poor tackling and cynical fouling. If Barnet played Cowenbeath it would be competitive. You can't use competitiveness as a measure of quality. Two drunks could match each other for quality in a race after last orders
Fortunately that is unlikely to happen as they play in different countries.
Anyway I fail to see your point, if your deriding the game for a lack of quality then by extension your deriding the standard of gaelic football in the country. Indeed both of these counties are of a higher quality than 11 out of the 12 counties in Leinster if you base it on final league positions.
My point is it was a diabolical match to watch. If you give me a piece of chalk I will spell it out clearer for you . Don't be bringing extraneous non entity arguments into it. Judge each game on its merits
And that was an utterly dreadful game . Devoid of skill, entertainment and quality . But it had "intensity" which is an Ulster GAA fan's fail safe.
There were scores in the game from Bradley, Lynch and McKernan that would grace any field in the country. There was one point in the game so it was entertaining enough. The quality wasn't great but it's early days yet.
Ignore him. He wishes he was from Ulster. Or that his county was from Ulster. He sounds like an RTE pundit ffs.
Like Enda McGinley said the other night on a championship discussion panel hosted by Armagh GAA, these boys aren't in the entertainment business. Not that Sunday's game was even devoid of it.
Skill: see Fergal Doc, McKernan, Lynch, Skinner, Lynn, Devlin; Indiana must have selective vision
Entertainment: Bit of controversy. Some nice scores. Result always in doubt. Two teams that went hell for leather. Poor atmosphere granted but it was in Celtic Park so that can't be helped.
Quality: Quality is subjective. Two defensive teams. So what? What the game lacked in free-flowingness was made up for in our old friend intensity ;)
As a neutral I enjoyed the game. Not the best game ever by any stretch of the imagination but certainly not the worst. Neither team will go far unless Derry work some sort of miracle in the USFC as the qualifiers are not their friend. Down are lacking too much in midfield and half forward line to be any sort of a threat.
I agree with what your saying General in general, but bar last years qualifier disaster @ CP (no disrespect to Longford), I think Derry have won more qualifier games than any other county
Yeah my bad, I have just always expected a lot more from Derry given some of the footballers yous had/still have. Had that Longford game in mind, wasn't there one or two other surprise exits?
I think Longford have beaten us 3 times in the Qualifiers?? Last year 2012 and 2007!!! :-X :-X
Fcuk me lol :D
Pretty sure that Kerry have won 100% of their qualifier games.
Don't Foul review of the game
https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/2015/06/10/derry-v-down-2015-ulster-championship/
Doesn't exactly do much to support the notion that it was a decent game.
After all the faux outrage around the lack of quality in this game last week I just sat through an hour and a half of dross served up by 2 groups of professionals who are supposedly the best their Countries have to offer... Jaysus Christ!!