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Title: The other Referendum
Post by: Rossfan on April 30, 2015, 03:52:34 PM
Well?
A resounding "yes" or a load of blank ballot papers stuffed in the boxes?
For the record I'm voting "Yes" in this one.
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: macdanger2 on April 30, 2015, 05:46:10 PM
Yes for me, can't understand why the proposal is for 21 and not 18
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: magpie seanie on April 30, 2015, 05:47:00 PM
I assume you are talking about the utterly pointless lowering the age of eligibility to be President? What a f**king waste of time and money.
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 30, 2015, 08:30:31 PM
I'm voting No in this one. I think one's perceptions of the world change between 21 and 35. That's my own opinion anyway. No word about it really, so it will be interesting to see how it pans out.
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: Esmarelda on April 30, 2015, 10:39:03 PM
I think it's ironic how the word "Equality" is being thrown around by the Yes side in the marriage referendum, yet the other referendum is to allow someone to just run for president.
As macdanger said, if we're looking for equality, why isn't it reduced to 18? If someone runs at that age and isn't fit for office then the people will decide that. Maybe we should increase the voting age to thirty five incase people younger than that can't be trusted to make the correct decision.
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: Rossfan on April 30, 2015, 10:42:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 30, 2015, 08:30:31 PM
I'm voting No in this one. I think one's perceptions of the world change between 21 and 35. That's my own opinion anyway. No word about it really, so it will be interesting to see how it pans out.
Sure most 12 year olds could do that bloody job.
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: armaghniac on April 30, 2015, 10:55:05 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 30, 2015, 08:30:31 PM
I'm voting No in this one. I think one's perceptions of the world change between 21 and 35. That's my own opinion anyway. No word about it really, so it will be interesting to see how it pans out.

equality denying youthophobe

Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 30, 2015, 10:57:11 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 30, 2015, 10:55:05 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 30, 2015, 08:30:31 PM
I'm voting No in this one. I think one's perceptions of the world change between 21 and 35. That's my own opinion anyway. No word about it really, so it will be interesting to see how it pans out.

equality denying youthophobe
:D

Well I'm only 27 myself so not a case of total youthophobia!
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: armaghniac on April 30, 2015, 11:11:24 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 30, 2015, 10:57:11 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 30, 2015, 10:55:05 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 30, 2015, 08:30:31 PM
I'm voting No in this one. I think one's perceptions of the world change between 21 and 35. That's my own opinion anyway. No word about it really, so it will be interesting to see how it pans out.

equality denying youthophobe
:D

Well I'm only 27 myself so not a case of total youthophobia!


Lundy!
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: magpie seanie on April 30, 2015, 11:50:28 PM
My default position is not to change the constitution unless I'm persuaded there's a need. There is absolutely no need for 21-35 year olds to be allowed run for President. Definite NO from me.
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: Rossfan on April 30, 2015, 11:54:39 PM
So Shligo and that place to the West of us voting NO :(
Thank God for Roscommon to balance things by standing up for equality and progressiveness.
Justice for the U 35s!!!
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: Hardy on May 01, 2015, 01:06:32 AM
The easiest way to make these decisions is to see what the Donegal polls are saying and vote the other way.
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: muppet on May 01, 2015, 09:04:10 AM
This referendum is a fairly weak attempt to get young people out to vote, to counter the grey vote factor in the other referendum.

Anyway, we have seen throughout history infant monarchs and emperors. How bad could it be?

For example here is President George Bush at a summit with the Emperor of Rarotonga:


(https://static.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/bush-baby.jpeg)
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: Billys Boots on May 01, 2015, 09:12:49 AM
Quote from: Hardy on May 01, 2015, 01:06:32 AM
The easiest way to make these decisions is to see what the Donegal polls are saying and vote the other way.

That's sound advice - keep me posted with what's going on up there!   ;)
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: deiseach on May 01, 2015, 09:16:33 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 30, 2015, 10:42:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 30, 2015, 08:30:31 PM
I'm voting No in this one. I think one's perceptions of the world change between 21 and 35. That's my own opinion anyway. No word about it really, so it will be interesting to see how it pans out.
Sure most 12 year olds could do that bloody job.

But would they be tall enough?
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: Maguire01 on May 01, 2015, 03:26:03 PM
I'm in two minds on this one. I think 21 is far too young to be President, but think it unlikely that someone that young would secure a nomination nevermind win an election anyway.

Not so sure if it's an "equality" issue as there are plenty of jobs that require X years experience before taking on a senior role.
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: Esmarelda on May 01, 2015, 03:39:04 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 01, 2015, 03:26:03 PM
I'm in two minds on this one. I think 21 is far too young to be President, but think it unlikely that someone that young would secure a nomination nevermind win an election anyway.

Not so sure if it's an "equality" issue as there are plenty of jobs that require X years experience before taking on a senior role.
If there are, then an 18 year old would still probably be allowed to apply for them with the likely result that he/she would be turned down.

My point was that it's probably more about equality than the "equality" referendum that's grabbing the headlines.
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: Maguire01 on May 01, 2015, 04:35:17 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 01, 2015, 03:39:04 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 01, 2015, 03:26:03 PM
I'm in two minds on this one. I think 21 is far too young to be President, but think it unlikely that someone that young would secure a nomination nevermind win an election anyway.

Not so sure if it's an "equality" issue as there are plenty of jobs that require X years experience before taking on a senior role.
If there are, then an 18 year old would still probably be allowed to apply for them with the likely result that he/she would be turned down.
No, they would be rejected at the outset because they didn't have the required experience, if the job was important enough. They wouldn't get to interview stage.
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: Esmarelda on May 01, 2015, 05:00:17 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 01, 2015, 04:35:17 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 01, 2015, 03:39:04 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 01, 2015, 03:26:03 PM
I'm in two minds on this one. I think 21 is far too young to be President, but think it unlikely that someone that young would secure a nomination nevermind win an election anyway.

Not so sure if it's an "equality" issue as there are plenty of jobs that require X years experience before taking on a senior role.
If there are, then an 18 year old would still probably be allowed to apply for them with the likely result that he/she would be turned down.
No, they would be rejected at the outset because they didn't have the required experience, if the job was important enough. They wouldn't get to interview stage.
Yes, but I assume, in that situation, they'd charge into the interview room, put their balls (or whatever women use to show.........balls) on the table, and prove their worth that way.
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: Maguire01 on May 01, 2015, 05:52:57 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 01, 2015, 05:00:17 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 01, 2015, 04:35:17 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 01, 2015, 03:39:04 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 01, 2015, 03:26:03 PM
I'm in two minds on this one. I think 21 is far too young to be President, but think it unlikely that someone that young would secure a nomination nevermind win an election anyway.

Not so sure if it's an "equality" issue as there are plenty of jobs that require X years experience before taking on a senior role.
If there are, then an 18 year old would still probably be allowed to apply for them with the likely result that he/she would be turned down.
No, they would be rejected at the outset because they didn't have the required experience, if the job was important enough. They wouldn't get to interview stage.
Yes, but I assume, in that situation, they'd charge into the interview room, put their balls (or whatever women use to show.........balls) on the table, and prove their worth that way.
So, the equivalent of canvassing when you're not on the ballot paper.
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: Esmarelda on May 02, 2015, 09:44:49 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 01, 2015, 05:52:57 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 01, 2015, 05:00:17 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 01, 2015, 04:35:17 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 01, 2015, 03:39:04 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 01, 2015, 03:26:03 PM
I'm in two minds on this one. I think 21 is far too young to be President, but think it unlikely that someone that young would secure a nomination nevermind win an election anyway.

Not so sure if it's an "equality" issue as there are plenty of jobs that require X years experience before taking on a senior role.
If there are, then an 18 year old would still probably be allowed to apply for them with the likely result that he/she would be turned down.
No, they would be rejected at the outset because they didn't have the required experience, if the job was important enough. They wouldn't get to interview stage.
Yes, but I assume, in that situation, they'd charge into the interview room, put their balls (or whatever women use to show.........balls) on the table, and prove their worth that way.
So, the equivalent of canvassing when you're not on the ballot paper.
Despite the lack of smiley face, I thought my last post was obviously in jest. You make a valid point. :)
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: macdanger2 on May 10, 2015, 12:49:55 AM
Heard an interesting point on this earlier - in 1916, three of the signatories were under 35, Dev also and of course Collins was only 33 when he died
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: armaghniac on May 10, 2015, 12:51:08 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 10, 2015, 12:49:55 AM
Heard an interesting point on this earlier - in 1916, three of the signatories were under 35, Dev also and of course Collins was only 33 when he died

Well Collins partitioned the country and Dev started a civil war, so that's hardly a recommendation.
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: macdanger2 on May 10, 2015, 01:31:44 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 10, 2015, 12:51:08 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 10, 2015, 12:49:55 AM
Heard an interesting point on this earlier - in 1916, three of the signatories were under 35, Dev also and of course Collins was only 33 when he died

Well Collins partitioned the country and Dev started a civil war, so that's hardly a recommendation.

I think you'll find it was the people of ireland who voted to partition the country and Dev was not in charge of the anti-treaty military during the civil war
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: armaghniac on May 10, 2015, 01:36:01 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 10, 2015, 01:31:44 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 10, 2015, 12:51:08 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 10, 2015, 12:49:55 AM
Heard an interesting point on this earlier - in 1916, three of the signatories were under 35, Dev also and of course Collins was only 33 when he died

Well Collins partitioned the country and Dev started a civil war, so that's hardly a recommendation.

I think you'll find it was the people of ireland who voted to partition the country and Dev was not in charge of the anti-treaty military during the civil war

Well Dev clearly decided to ignore the vote of the people of the 26 counties in this respect.
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: macdanger2 on May 10, 2015, 01:54:27 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 10, 2015, 01:36:01 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 10, 2015, 01:31:44 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 10, 2015, 12:51:08 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 10, 2015, 12:49:55 AM
Heard an interesting point on this earlier - in 1916, three of the signatories were under 35, Dev also and of course Collins was only 33 when he died

Well Collins partitioned the country and Dev started a civil war, so that's hardly a recommendation.

I think you'll find it was the people of ireland who voted to partition the country and Dev was not in charge of the anti-treaty military during the civil war

Well Dev clearly decided to ignore the vote of the people of the 26 counties in this respect.

He did. But you need to read up a little more on your history if you think he started the civil war

Regardless, I think any of those 5 men did more before they were 35 than most gaaboarders ever will and would be above average presidential candidates
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: Maguire01 on May 10, 2015, 03:40:10 PM
Still a fair drop down to a 21 year old.
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: Esmarelda on May 10, 2015, 04:52:36 PM
What age do you have to be to run for the Dáil?
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: muppet on May 11, 2015, 08:31:19 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 10, 2015, 04:52:36 PM
What age do you have to be to run for the Dáil?

35.

But this referendum is not about age, it is about cats wanting to play golf.
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: Sidney on May 11, 2015, 09:04:34 PM
Vote NO to President Niall Horan.
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: Shamrock Shore on May 11, 2015, 09:30:28 PM
VOTE NO

Cos, in theory, we'd have to fund an additional 14 years of a feckin pension to a retired President.
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: armaghniac on May 11, 2015, 09:39:52 PM
Good point SS The likes of Dev or Childers did not cost much in pensions after their term.
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: Maguire01 on May 11, 2015, 09:59:16 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 11, 2015, 08:31:19 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 10, 2015, 04:52:36 PM
What age do you have to be to run for the Dáil?

35.

That's for President, it's 21 for the Dail.
Title: Re: The other Referendum
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 11, 2015, 10:09:23 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 10, 2015, 01:36:01 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 10, 2015, 01:31:44 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 10, 2015, 12:51:08 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 10, 2015, 12:49:55 AM
Heard an interesting point on this earlier - in 1916, three of the signatories were under 35, Dev also and of course Collins was only 33 when he died

Well Collins partitioned the country and Dev started a civil war, so that's hardly a recommendation.

I think you'll find it was the people of ireland who voted to partition the country and Dev was not in charge of the anti-treaty military during the civil war

Well Dev clearly decided to ignore the vote of the people of the 26 counties in this respect.

The majority had no right to do wrong...