Not sure if this has been posted anywhere else, seen it in the paper that the new Mid Ulster super council is going to have their signage in Irish then English below. Funny how things turn full circle. Unionists tramped the nationalist people into the ground for years and now we have the majority we are going to do the same to them. Classy stuff. :'( :'(
Quote from: Keepthefaith93 on March 05, 2015, 12:45:06 PM
Not sure if this has been posted anywhere else, seen it in the paper that the new Mid Ulster super council is going to have their signage in Irish then English below. Funny how things turn full circle. Unionists tramped the nationalist people into the ground for years and now we have the majority we are going to do the same to them. Classy stuff. :'( :'(
It's like Bloody Sunday all over again, only in reverse!
A Chara,
Irish first is a great initiative. It keeps the language alive and it is enjoyed by tourists. I get great entertainment pointing out to colleagues that the place they live in (e.g. Shankill, Belfast) is derived from the Irish language.
Is mise le meas
Orior
Quote from: Orior on March 05, 2015, 12:58:08 PM
A Chara,
Irish first is a great initiative. It keeps the language alive and it is enjoyed by tourists. I get great entertainment pointing out to colleagues that the place they live in (e.g. Shankill, Belfast) is derived from the Irish language.
Is mise le meas
Orior
Its nice to get a bit of a wind up going the odd time.
The firm I work for has now based its European HQ in Cork and are expanding down there. I've taken to winding up my fellow workers that the Irish Tricolour will look lovely on the flag pole out the front and we'll all need to brush up on the old Irish to speak to our Cork bosses.
Its all a bit of craic..
Quote from: deiseach on March 05, 2015, 12:49:23 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith93 on March 05, 2015, 12:45:06 PM
Not sure if this has been posted anywhere else, seen it in the paper that the new Mid Ulster super council is going to have their signage in Irish then English below. Funny how things turn full circle. Unionists tramped the nationalist people into the ground for years and now we have the majority we are going to do the same to them. Classy stuff. :'( :'(
It's like Bloody Sunday all over again, only in reverse!
It's not.
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Quote from: Orior on March 05, 2015, 12:58:08 PM
A Chara,
Irish first is a great initiative. It keeps the language alive and it is enjoyed by tourists. I get great entertainment pointing out to colleagues that the place they live in (e.g. Shankill, Belfast) is derived from the Irish language.
Is mise le meas
Orior
Its nice to get a bit of a wind up going the odd time.
The firm I work for has now based its European HQ in Cork and are expanding down there. I've taken to winding up my fellow workers that the Irish Tricolour will look lovely on the flag pole out the front and we'll all need to brush up on the old Irish to speak to our Cork bosses.
Its all a bit of craic..
Its all phone and games till some one loses an eye and a hand and a leg
Quote from: Orior on March 05, 2015, 12:58:08 PM
A Chara,
Irish first is a great initiative. It keeps the language alive and it is enjoyed by tourists. I get great entertainment pointing out to colleagues that the place they live in (e.g. Shankill, Belfast) is derived from the Irish language.
Is mise le meas
Orior
+1
Ballyhackamore = Townland of the Big Shite
Tandragee = Arse to the Wind.
It should have been like this from the start in the 1920s.
I don't think this does the language any favours in the north (the same thing is happening in Newry if i'm not mistaken). By all means have Irish on the signs, but I don't see the logic in placing it above the English version. I'd imagine 90% of nationalists couldn't write the name of the Council in Irish. All it does is antagonise the other side - it turns it into the equivalent of flying the Union flag on unionist dominated councils.
Similarly with this proposed Irish Language Act - i'm all for promoting the language, but some of the proposals, such as translating Stormont business, is just a waste of money and effort.
Irish is top on signs all over the country, I see no reason for Newry and Mourne to be different, consistency is useful, in Scotland Gaelic is also on top of signs.
There is no point in being like Wales where you have to try and figure out which language is which because the order is inconsistent.
As for unionist councils these people should not be allowed express their bigotry by excluding Irish from their signs.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 05, 2015, 08:24:11 PM
Irish is top on signs all over the country, I see no reason for Newry and Mourne to be different, consistency is useful, in Scotland Gaelic is also on top of signs.
There is no point in being like Wales where you have to try and figure out which language is which because the order is inconsistent.
As for unionist councils these people should not be allowed express their bigotry by excluding Irish from their signs.
In a non-contentious world, maybe. But we're dealing with reality here. A quick google will also show you that not all local authorities lead with Irish, and I don't think anyone is going to be staring at a sign for too long wondering which line is English and which is Irish.
Quote from: seafoid on March 05, 2015, 02:32:29 PM
It should have been like this from the start in the 1920s.
Would you make the teaching of Irish a mandatory part of the curriculum in a United Ireland ?
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Quote from: seafoid on March 05, 2015, 02:32:29 PM
It should have been like this from the start in the 1920s.
Would you make the teaching of Irish a mandatory part of the curriculum in a United Ireland ?
Yes, of course.
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Quote from: seafoid on March 05, 2015, 02:32:29 PM
It should have been like this from the start in the 1920s.
Would you make the teaching of Irish a mandatory part of the curriculum in a United Ireland ?
Yes, of course.
kind of like a revenge penal law ?
Quote from: armaghniac on March 05, 2015, 09:31:46 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on March 05, 2015, 09:12:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 05, 2015, 02:32:29 PM
It should have been like this from the start in the 1920s.
Would you make the teaching of Irish a mandatory part of the curriculum in a United Ireland ?
Yes, of course.
btw, I wasn't asking you. I was asking the other fascist.
just to draw the lines so to speak.......
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on March 05, 2015, 09:53:07 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 05, 2015, 09:31:46 PM
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Quote from: seafoid on March 05, 2015, 02:32:29 PM
It should have been like this from the start in the 1920s.
Would you make the teaching of Irish a mandatory part of the curriculum in a United Ireland ?
Yes, of course.
kind of like a revenge penal law ?
I'm not sure how the penal laws were relevant, they aimed to prevent education not enhance it.
But in a society where 2 languages are spoken, leaders of state and public service must speak both. If parts of NI were allowed opt of Irish then they would never reach these positions of leadership, ensuring that unionists would be second class citizens, as if they did not have enough of a chip on their shoulder.
I find it most odd that someone who wants to force everyone to learn, speak and read a secondary language, and exclude anyone who does not follow his narrow doctrine, can describe anyone else as a bigot.
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Quote from: Mike Sheehy on March 05, 2015, 09:53:07 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 05, 2015, 09:31:46 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on March 05, 2015, 09:12:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 05, 2015, 02:32:29 PM
It should have been like this from the start in the 1920s.
Would you make the teaching of Irish a mandatory part of the curriculum in a United Ireland ?
Yes, of course.
kind of like a revenge penal law ?
I'm not sure how the penal laws were relevant, they aimed to prevent education not enhance it.
But in a society where 2 languages are spoken, leaders of state and public service must speak both. If parts of NI were allowed opt of Irish then they would never reach these positions of leadership, ensuring that unionists would be second class citizens, as if they did not have enough of a chip on their shoulder.
They are relevant because they relate to the key word in my question i.e. "mandatory".The reality is that the majority of unionists will never want to speak Irish or play football or hurling. Maybe it should be enough to have a pint and play Rugby and cricket with them.
I find it most odd that someone who wants to force everyone to learn, speak and read a secondary language, offer rooms to homosexuals, and exclude anyone who does not follow his narrow doctrine, can describe anyone else as a bigot.
Quote from: hardstation on March 05, 2015, 10:28:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2015, 10:15:24 PM
I find it most odd that someone who wants to force everyone to learn, speak and read a secondary language, and exclude anyone who does not follow his narrow doctrine, can describe anyone else as a bigot.
True. I feel the same about people who demand that children must learn music, art, drama, geography, technology, home economics.....and anything else I have no interest in.
Your point would have more substance if any of these subjects was not already being taught, but was then made mandatory in every school.
It would have more substance again if there was no value in learning any of those subjects.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 05, 2015, 10:35:52 PM
I find it most odd that someone who wants to force everyone to learn, speak and read a secondary language, offer rooms to homosexuals, and exclude anyone who does not follow his narrow doctrine, can describe anyone else as a bigot.
classic whataboutery.
I'm guessing you also wear your ashes and lilies with pride, but go out of your way to be offended by poppies every November.
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Quote from: hardstation on March 05, 2015, 10:28:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2015, 10:15:24 PM
I find it most odd that someone who wants to force everyone to learn, speak and read a secondary language, and exclude anyone who does not follow his narrow doctrine, can describe anyone else as a bigot.
True. I feel the same about people who demand that children must learn music, art, drama, geography, technology, home economics.....and anything else I have no interest in.
Your point would have more substance if any of these subjects was not already being taught, but was then made mandatory in every school.
It would have more substance again if there was no value in learning any of those subjects.
At some point all these subjects were not being taught but were then made mandatory, some not too long ago.
There is merit in learning a second language.
Of course there is. Which is why multiple languages are offered in schools, and just go ensure everyone has a go, studying at least one up to GCSE is compulsory.
Forcing everyone to learn Irish is not the same thing. If anything it's closer to a violation of rights.
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Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2015, 10:36:58 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 05, 2015, 10:28:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2015, 10:15:24 PM
I find it most odd that someone who wants to force everyone to learn, speak and read a secondary language, and exclude anyone who does not follow his narrow doctrine, can describe anyone else as a bigot.
True. I feel the same about people who demand that children must learn music, art, drama, geography, technology, home economics.....and anything else I have no interest in.
Your point would have more substance if any of these subjects was not already being taught, but was then made mandatory in every school.
It would have more substance again if there was no value in learning any of those subjects.
At some point all these subjects were not being taught but were then made mandatory, some not too long ago.
There is merit in learning a second language.
We couldn't force our own language on ourselves...what is the point in forcing it on someone else ?
if you want to spread the Irish language stop making people feel they are not Irish if they don't speak it.
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2015, 10:40:01 PM
classic whataboutery.
Fair enough. But you really have to address my point in post 16.
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2015, 10:40:01 PM
I'm guessing you also wear your ashes and lilies with pride, but go out of your way to be offended by poppies every November.
Not very good at guessing, then?
Armaghniac - I'm not sure what you mean about point 16, but I'd be very much of the opinion that there aren't two languages in this state. There is one language that every man, woman and child can understand, then there's a plethora of languages spoken by migrant communities when together, then there's a point scoring exercise involving Irish and, to a lesser extent, the nonsense that is Ulster Scots.
That's all it is, point scoring. Oneupmanship. Zealotry. It's two fingers up to people of a different background. A people who, for as long as we live who will be either a majority group or a huge minority group in this state. So ffs can't we all just stop trying to wind each other up? If I'm lucky I've got 50 years on this planet and most of them will be spent in this state. Do I really have to watch each side getting upset at each other, then aping each other on a perennial loop?
Plus it's a giant f**king waste of taxpayer's money.
Hardstation - sorry to tell you lad, but you come across as anti-education.
The education system was formed to enable people of all backgrounds to achieve their potential in this world, and as a direct result, improve our economy for all.
The only way a system like this can succeed is if it challenges people to do things they haven't previously done, to encounter new subjects, disciplines and knowledge.
If you hadn't been subjected to recorder lessons in P2, you'd now be twisting this argument to show how the education system let you down because you never got the chance to learn music.
But it's always someone else's fault with you anyway.
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2015, 11:04:58 PM
Armaghniac - I'm not sure what you mean about point 16, but I'd be very much of the opinion that there aren't two languages in this state. There is one language that every man, woman and child can understand, then there's a plethora of languages spoken by migrant communities when together, then there's a point scoring exercise involving Irish and, to a lesser extent, the nonsense that is Ulster Scots.
Firsrtyl, the original question was about a united Ireland.
QuoteThat's all it is, point scoring. Oneupmanship. Zealotry. It's two fingers up to people of a different background.
It is neither of these things. It is simply a statement that these people's long term project to eliminate Irishness is unacceptable.
Yep. Shakespeare was a dick. Can't believe they're forced to read him.
Quote from: hardstation on March 05, 2015, 10:51:42 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on March 05, 2015, 10:45:46 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 05, 2015, 10:41:33 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2015, 10:36:58 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 05, 2015, 10:28:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2015, 10:15:24 PM
I find it most odd that someone who wants to force everyone to learn, speak and read a secondary language, and exclude anyone who does not follow his narrow doctrine, can describe anyone else as a bigot.
True. I feel the same about people who demand that children must learn music, art, drama, geography, technology, home economics.....and anything else I have no interest in.
Your point would have more substance if any of these subjects was not already being taught, but was then made mandatory in every school.
It would have more substance again if there was no value in learning any of those subjects.
At some point all these subjects were not being taught but were then made mandatory, some not too long ago.
There is merit in learning a second language.
We couldn't force our own language on ourselves...what is the point in forcing it on someone else ?
if you want to spread the Irish language stop making people feel they are not Irish if they don't speak it.
I don't give a ballix if people don't want to learn Irish but don't give me this "forced into it" ballix when kids are currently going into compulsory subjects in which they have no interest in learning.
Some subjects should be compulsory for kids because they are necessary due to the practicalities of life e.g. Math, English. It is a great sin when people saddle their kids with their own petty, ultra-nationalist outlook on life. Places like the Ukraine are fucked up because of this limited , parochial mentality.
Well oul John is on a sticky wicket now. But Willie from Stratford is still forced upon us. Even those in Poleglass.
Quote from: hardstation on March 05, 2015, 11:18:31 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on March 05, 2015, 11:15:49 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 05, 2015, 10:51:42 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on March 05, 2015, 10:45:46 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 05, 2015, 10:41:33 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2015, 10:36:58 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 05, 2015, 10:28:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2015, 10:15:24 PM
I find it most odd that someone who wants to force everyone to learn, speak and read a secondary language, and exclude anyone who does not follow his narrow doctrine, can describe anyone else as a bigot.
True. I feel the same about people who demand that children must learn music, art, drama, geography, technology, home economics.....and anything else I have no interest in.
Your point would have more substance if any of these subjects was not already being taught, but was then made mandatory in every school.
It would have more substance again if there was no value in learning any of those subjects.
At some point all these subjects were not being taught but were then made mandatory, some not too long ago.
There is merit in learning a second language.
We couldn't force our own language on ourselves...what is the point in forcing it on someone else ?
if you want to spread the Irish language stop making people feel they are not Irish if they don't speak it.
I don't give a ballix if people don't want to learn Irish but don't give me this "forced into it" ballix when kids are currently going into compulsory subjects in which they have no interest in learning.
Some subjects should be compulsory for kids because they are necessary due to the practicalities of life e.g. Math, English. It is a great sin when people saddle their kids with their own petty, ultra-nationallist outlook on life. Places like the Ukraine are fucked up because of this limited , parochial mentality.
You've named 2 'important' compulsory subjects. That's great.
why don't you tell us more about Steinbeck champ.....we'd all love to hear more....
Quote from: hardstation on March 05, 2015, 11:26:34 PM
George shot Lennie.
mice use google. men rely on their wits.
you pussy.
Quote from: hardstation on March 05, 2015, 11:36:32 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on March 05, 2015, 11:32:19 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 05, 2015, 11:26:34 PM
George shot Lennie.
mice use google. men rely on wit.
you pussy.
Kind of wish you had a motivational poster to go with that profound quote.
Real deep.
It is payback for your extremely unfunny comments about real people in the past.dickhead.
"payback"
Hardcore.
Quote from: hardstation on March 05, 2015, 11:46:59 PM
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Quote from: hardstation on March 05, 2015, 11:36:32 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on March 05, 2015, 11:32:19 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 05, 2015, 11:26:34 PM
George shot Lennie.
mice use google. men rely on wit.
you pussy.
Kind of wish you had a motivational poster to go with that profound quote.
Real deep.
It is payback for your extremely unfunny comments about real people in the past.d**khead.
Payback really is a bitch.
As a proud Antrim man are you still following the fortunes of the Tyrone club Derrytresk ?
Quote from: hardstation on March 06, 2015, 12:08:40 AM
Yes. I was in Derrytresk just over a week ago. Great people.
Are you still bad mouthing Declan O'Sullivan to get on their good side ?
Why is religion forced on kids at GCSE level. my son picking his now and it's mandatory?
Quote from: hardstation on March 06, 2015, 12:15:06 AM
He's one deplorable individual. Always the victim. Yuck!
bad form ::)
so do you still want to force Irish on unionists ? what are you going to do if they refuse to cooperate ?
The issue here is that for unionists and their many fellow travellers, any attempt to stop them engaging in cultural extermination is interpreted as an "attack". It is like asking a burglar to stop robbing houses and live like everyone else, and for them to claim that you were attacking their "culture".
Quote from: armaghniac on March 06, 2015, 01:09:45 AM
The issue here is that for unionists and their many fellow travellers, any attempt to stop them engaging in cultural extermination is interpreted as an "attack". It is like asking a burglar to stop robbing houses and live like everyone else, and for them to claim that you were attacking their "culture".
honestly, these days, do you really feel culturally threatened by unionists ?
Everybody knows that they are on the defensive. Why rub it in? It is just history repeating itself.
rise above it.
"Rise above it"
This is the kind of slippery language that implies that being Irish is a mere act of revenge on British Empire. We don't have to touch the forelock and there is no shame in being Irish in Ireland.
Quote from: charlieTully on March 06, 2015, 12:30:37 AM
Why is religion forced on kids at GCSE level. my son picking his now and it's mandatory?
Wouldn't have a problem with that if it were an actual course on world religions and the philosophies behind them. Problem with the GCSE curriculum I got pushed into doing was it was all about the taig church, and all other belief systems were either misrepresented or given lip service. I'd prefer it if RE were replaced by a broader subject called philosophy which would include some of the stuff now studied in RE, but put in a clearer context.
Sorry for derailing the thread in the last post, it's a bit tedious when every thread becomes the same old discussion about religion.
I agree with a lot of the sentiments on this thread about how Irish tends to be abused in the north. Sinn Fein seem to be hell bent on weaponizing the language, which does it a disservice and ultimately alienates the unionists even more, which is the opposite of what we should be doing if we want to bring them under the umbrella of a united Ireland.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on March 06, 2015, 01:17:36 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 06, 2015, 01:09:45 AM
The issue here is that for unionists and their many fellow travellers, any attempt to stop them engaging in cultural extermination is interpreted as an "attack". It is like asking a burglar to stop robbing houses and live like everyone else, and for them to claim that you were attacking their "culture".
honestly, these days, do you really feel culturally threatened by unionists ?
Everybody knows that they are on the defensive. Why rub it in? It is just history repeating itself.
rise above it.
could Sheepy be right here in his eyes is irish a firm of ethnic cleansing. Heaven forbid!
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 06, 2015, 03:15:59 AM
Sorry for derailing the thread in the last post, it's a bit tedious when every thread becomes the same old discussion about religion.
I agree with a lot of the sentiments on this thread about how Irish tends to be abused in the north. Sinn Fein seem to be hell bent on weaponizing the language, which does it a disservice and ultimately alienates the unionists even more, which is the opposite of what we should be doing if we want to bring them under the umbrella of a united Ireland.
Spot on.
Religious Education in secondary schools these days is more philosophy and history than instruction. Schools still have a religious ethos with masses and carol services, but they are peripheral to the curriculum.
NB I imagine it's different oop North.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 06, 2015, 01:28:45 AM
"Rise above it"
This is the kind of slippery language that implies that being Irish is a mere act of revenge on British Empire. We don't have to touch the forelock and there is no shame in being Irish in Ireland.
None. It's empowering. Look at the football post 1990.
If the Shinners were really interested in promoting the language as a positive force they'd print O'Donaill dictionaries for everyone who wants one. There are so many words in it that describe how we behave today. And a lot of Protestants share the behavior. It's a funny old post colonial world
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Quote from: charlieTully on March 06, 2015, 12:30:37 AM
Why is religion forced on kids at GCSE level. my son picking his now and it's mandatory?
Wouldn't have a problem with that if it were an actual course on world religions and the philosophies behind them. Problem with the GCSE curriculum I got pushed into doing was it was all about the taig church, and all other belief systems were either misrepresented or given lip service. I'd prefer it if RE were replaced by a broader subject called philosophy which would include some of the stuff now studied in RE, but put in a clearer context.
Strange that, a religious school teaching religion. What next Irish people wanting things Irish?
Quote from: hardstation on March 06, 2015, 10:30:49 AM
Quote from: Keepthefaith93 on March 06, 2015, 08:50:44 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 06, 2015, 03:15:59 AM
Sorry for derailing the thread in the last post, it's a bit tedious when every thread becomes the same old discussion about religion.
I agree with a lot of the sentiments on this thread about how Irish tends to be abused in the north. Sinn Fein seem to be hell bent on weaponizing the language, which does it a disservice and ultimately alienates the unionists even more, which is the opposite of what we should be doing if we want to bring them under the umbrella of a united Ireland.
Spot on.
That Sinn Fein are politicising the language is nothing more than a feeble excuse by Unionism for them to oppose the language. The vast majority of Unionism has despised the Irish language and other aspects of Irish culture since long before Sinn Fein began running election campaigns. What was their excuse then?
+1 The simple use of the word weaponising by unionists says it all. Driving fear into their community. Obviously working down south.
The English language is a gathering of Latin, Greek, Saxon, German, French and various others such as Indian and Irish.
Who can name the Irish words adopted into English?
Quote from: hardstation on March 06, 2015, 10:30:49 AM
Quote from: Keepthefaith93 on March 06, 2015, 08:50:44 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 06, 2015, 03:15:59 AM
Sorry for derailing the thread in the last post, it's a bit tedious when every thread becomes the same old discussion about religion.
I agree with a lot of the sentiments on this thread about how Irish tends to be abused in the north. Sinn Fein seem to be hell bent on weaponizing the language, which does it a disservice and ultimately alienates the unionists even more, which is the opposite of what we should be doing if we want to bring them under the umbrella of a united Ireland.
Spot on.
That Sinn Fein are politicising the language is nothing more than a feeble excuse by Unionism for them to oppose the language. The vast majority of Unionism has despised the Irish language and other aspects of Irish culture since long before Sinn Fein began running election campaigns. What was their excuse then?
The Unionists have a serious identity problem. Who are they? For years it was enough to say "we are not Irish" but that isn't really coherent any more. This is one reason they are so anti-Gaeilge.
Irish wasn't compulsory in my school on the Falls, nor was it taught in primary school, I'd have liked to have taken it up but that would require night classes, our club ran classes each year, probably still do. Is this common in most Gaa clubs?
Quote from: seafoid on March 06, 2015, 01:26:20 PM
The Unionists have a serious identity problem. Who are they? For years it was enough to say "we are not Irish" but that isn't really coherent any more. This is one reason they are so anti-Gaeilge.
Unionists have no problem being "irish" when the egg-chasing is on. Even Ken Maginnis forgets about the border on those days.
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Quote from: seafoid on March 06, 2015, 01:26:20 PM
The Unionists have a serious identity problem. Who are they? For years it was enough to say "we are not Irish" but that isn't really coherent any more. This is one reason they are so anti-Gaeilge.
Unionists have no problem being "irish" when the egg-chasing is on. Even Ken Maginnis forgets about the border on those days.
doesnt the boul Jackie McDonald have an Irish passport, forget your loyalities if it interferes with a week in the sun. Plenty of 'Irish' lads have a British one for the same reason.
Quote from: seafoid on March 06, 2015, 01:26:20 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 06, 2015, 10:30:49 AM
Quote from: Keepthefaith93 on March 06, 2015, 08:50:44 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 06, 2015, 03:15:59 AM
Sorry for derailing the thread in the last post, it's a bit tedious when every thread becomes the same old discussion about religion.
I agree with a lot of the sentiments on this thread about how Irish tends to be abused in the north. Sinn Fein seem to be hell bent on weaponizing the language, which does it a disservice and ultimately alienates the unionists even more, which is the opposite of what we should be doing if we want to bring them under the umbrella of a united Ireland.
Spot on.
That Sinn Fein are politicising the language is nothing more than a feeble excuse by Unionism for them to oppose the language. The vast majority of Unionism has despised the Irish language and other aspects of Irish culture since long before Sinn Fein began running election campaigns. What was their excuse then?
The Unionists have a serious identity problem. Who are they? For years it was enough to say "we are not Irish" but that isn't really coherent any more. This is one reason they are so anti-Gaeilge.
Many Unionists are happy to identify themselves as Northern Irish, Irish or British, which is fine and dandy in these post GFA times - Why do you preceive this to be a problem?
Quote from: hardstation on March 06, 2015, 10:30:49 AM
Quote from: Keepthefaith93 on March 06, 2015, 08:50:44 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 06, 2015, 03:15:59 AM
Sorry for derailing the thread in the last post, it's a bit tedious when every thread becomes the same old discussion about religion.
I agree with a lot of the sentiments on this thread about how Irish tends to be abused in the north. Sinn Fein seem to be hell bent on weaponizing the language, which does it a disservice and ultimately alienates the unionists even more, which is the opposite of what we should be doing if we want to bring them under the umbrella of a united Ireland.
Spot on.
That Sinn Fein are politicising the language is nothing more than a feeble excuse by Unionism for them to oppose the language. The vast majority of Unionism has despised the Irish language and other aspects of Irish culture since long before Sinn Fein began running election campaigns. What was their excuse then?
The unionists are hostile enough to Irish as it is without the Shinners only encouraging them. The don't need an excuse to oppose the language, but the last thing our ones should be doing is giving them excuses.
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on March 06, 2015, 10:30:00 AM
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Quote from: charlieTully on March 06, 2015, 12:30:37 AM
Why is religion forced on kids at GCSE level. my son picking his now and it's mandatory?
Wouldn't have a problem with that if it were an actual course on world religions and the philosophies behind them. Problem with the GCSE curriculum I got pushed into doing was it was all about the taig church, and all other belief systems were either misrepresented or given lip service. I'd prefer it if RE were replaced by a broader subject called philosophy which would include some of the stuff now studied in RE, but put in a clearer context.
Strange that, a religious school teaching religion. What next Irish people wanting things Irish?
If religious schools want to brainwash the children they can knock themselves out. But don't use taxpayers' money to do it, and there's no way any state-funded institution should be in the hands of a church.
Quote from: Orior on March 06, 2015, 01:19:08 PM
The English language is a gathering of Latin, Greek, Saxon, German, French and various others such as Indian and Irish.
Who can name the Irish words adopted into English?
There's a decent list here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Irish_origin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Irish_origin)
Quote from: seafoid on March 06, 2015, 01:26:20 PM
The Unionists have a serious identity problem. Who are they?
+1. You can tell them they're confused about their identity but ask ten unionists what they are and you get ten different answers.
"I'm not confused, I'm British."
"I'm not confused, I'm Irish."
"I'm not confused, I'm an Ulsterman."
"I'm not confused, I'm Northern Irish."
"I'm not confused, I'm Northern Irish and British."
"I'm not confused, I'm British and Irish."
Or the best one of all, and this is a quote:
"We're not Irish, we're pratistints."
Quote from: foxcommander on March 06, 2015, 02:07:38 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 06, 2015, 01:26:20 PM
The Unionists have a serious identity problem. Who are they? For years it was enough to say "we are not Irish" but that isn't really coherent any more. This is one reason they are so anti-Gaeilge.
Unionists have no problem being "irish" when the egg-chasing is on. Even Ken Maginnis forgets about the border on those days.
They used to be Irish when the soccer was on too. Then the FAI split away from the IFA and there were two teams each claiming to be "Ireland." We all know what happened next.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 07, 2015, 07:13:26 AM
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on March 06, 2015, 10:30:00 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 06, 2015, 03:12:57 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 06, 2015, 12:30:37 AM
Why is religion forced on kids at GCSE level. my son picking his now and it's mandatory?
Wouldn't have a problem with that if it were an actual course on world religions and the philosophies behind them. Problem with the GCSE curriculum I got pushed into doing was it was all about the taig church, and all other belief systems were either misrepresented or given lip service. I'd prefer it if RE were replaced by a broader subject called philosophy which would include some of the stuff now studied in RE, but put in a clearer context.
Strange that, a religious school teaching religion. What next Irish people wanting things Irish?
If religious schools want to brainwash the children they can knock themselves out. But don't use taxpayers' money to do it, and there's no way any state-funded institution should be in the hands of a church.
All tax payers now have no belief in religion? ::)
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on March 07, 2015, 07:59:56 AM
All tax payers now have no belief in religion? ::)
No, Stall. It's not true that all taxpayers have no belief in religion. Who would ever suggest such a thing and why?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 08, 2015, 02:26:21 AM
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on March 07, 2015, 07:59:56 AM
All tax payers now have no belief in religion? ::)
No, Stall. It's not true that all taxpayers have no belief in religion. Who would ever suggest such a thing and why?
You said tax payers money shouldn't be used for religious education. Why should non-religious people have more right than religious people where their taxes are spent?