22 February 2015 Last updated at 22:21
Chelsea fan sorry over Paris Metro incident
An ex-police officer and Chelsea fan has apologised for his part in an alleged racist incident on the Paris Metro - but has denied he is a racist.
Richard Barklie, 50, of Carrickfergus, County Antrim, was identified as one of the people sought by the Met Police.
In a statement, he denied racist chanting and said he wanted to explain the context of the incident to police.
Chelsea Football Club has barred five fans after a video showed a black man being prevented from boarding a train.
Mr Barklie, an ex-Royal Ulster Constabulary and Police Service of Northern Ireland officer, is currently a director with a human rights organisation - the World Human Rights Forum - and has also worked supporting victims of the Troubles.
Belfast solicitor Kevin Winters issued a statement on behalf of the Chelsea season ticket-holder.
In it he said Mr Barklie:
had been involved in an "incident" in which a man - identified as Souleymane S - was "unable to enter part of the train"
had not taken part in racist singing and "condemns any behaviour supporting that"
had contacted the Met Police to "explain the context and circumstances" and wanted to "put on record his total abhorrence for racism"
wanted to state his "sincerest apologies for the trauma and stress suffered by Mr Souleymane"
went to the match alone and did not know anyone shown in the video
had travelled to games for more than 20 years "without incident" and had never been part of any "group or faction" of Chelsea fans
The statement added: "As someone who has spent years working with disadvantaged communities in Africa and India, he can point to a CV in human rights work which undermines any suggestion he is racist."
It said the Met Police had confirmed "arrangements were in hand to take the investigation to the next stage".
Earlier, the Met said three men being sought in connection with the incident had been identified - and released images including one of Mr Barklie.
Amateur video shot at Paris's Richelieu-Drouot station showed a man being pushed from the Metro train while a group chanted: "We're racist, we're racist and that's the way we like it."
Chelsea has said it will ban the five suspended fans from attending Stamford Bridge for life if there is sufficient evidence of their involvement.
A spokesman said the club was writing to the victim to "apologise unreservedly", while manager Jose Mourinho has said he is "ashamed" by the alleged racism.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31575913?print=true
Caveat: Innocent until proven guilty etc...
but....
'Mr Barklie, an ex-Royal Ulster Constabulary and Police Service of Northern Ireland officer, is currently a director with a human rights organisation - the World Human Rights Forum - and has also worked supporting victims of the Troubles.'
This reminds me of some of those high profile campaigners against, for example, homosexuality. It is uncanny how often they turn out to be spectacular hypocrites.
I'm not clear on what exactly he's apologising for. What does he consider his "part" was?
Quote from: muppet on February 22, 2015, 10:57:53 PM
Caveat: Innocent until proven guilty etc...
He may have just been on train.
QuoteThis reminds me of some of those high profile campaigners against, for example, homosexuality. It is uncanny how often they turn out to be spectacular hypocrites.
Well they could have been seeking treatment for a sports injury.........
Quote from: Maguire01
I'm not clear on what exactly he's apologising for. What does he consider his "part" was?
He was in the video.
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 22, 2015, 11:01:15 PM
I'm not clear on what exactly he's apologising for. What does he consider his "part" was?
QuoteEarlier, the Met said three men being sought in connection with the incident had been identified - and released images including one of Mr Barklie.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on February 22, 2015, 10:45:14 PM
22 February 2015 Last updated at 22:21
Chelsea fan sorry over Paris Metro incident
An ex-police officer and Chelsea fan has apologised for his part in an alleged racist incident on the Paris Metro - but has denied he is a racist.
Richard Barklie, 50, of Carrickfergus, County Antrim, was identified as one of the people sought by the Met Police.
In a statement, he denied racist chanting and said he wanted to explain the context of the incident to police.
Chelsea Football Club has barred five fans after a video showed a black man being prevented from boarding a train.
Mr Barklie, an ex-Royal Ulster Constabulary and Police Service of Northern Ireland officer, is currently a director with a human rights organisation - the World Human Rights Forum - and has also worked supporting victims of the Troubles.
Belfast solicitor Kevin Winters issued a statement on behalf of the Chelsea season ticket-holder.
In it he said Mr Barklie:
had been involved in an "incident" in which a man - identified as Souleymane S - was "unable to enter part of the train"
had not taken part in racist singing and "condemns any behaviour supporting that"
had contacted the Met Police to "explain the context and circumstances" and wanted to "put on record his total abhorrence for racism"
wanted to state his "sincerest apologies for the trauma and stress suffered by Mr Souleymane"
went to the match alone and did not know anyone shown in the video
had travelled to games for more than 20 years "without incident" and had never been part of any "group or faction" of Chelsea fans
The statement added: "As someone who has spent years working with disadvantaged communities in Africa and India, he can point to a CV in human rights work which undermines any suggestion he is racist."
It said the Met Police had confirmed "arrangements were in hand to take the investigation to the next stage".
Earlier, the Met said three men being sought in connection with the incident had been identified - and released images including one of Mr Barklie.
Amateur video shot at Paris's Richelieu-Drouot station showed a man being pushed from the Metro train while a group chanted: "We're racist, we're racist and that's the way we like it."
Chelsea has said it will ban the five suspended fans from attending Stamford Bridge for life if there is sufficient evidence of their involvement.
A spokesman said the club was writing to the victim to "apologise unreservedly", while manager Jose Mourinho has said he is "ashamed" by the alleged racism.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31575913?print=true
What a Dick
If he didn't do anything why does he feel the need for an apology?
I'd imagine it's a public display of sackcloth and ashes for the benefit of his employer. A human rights organisation would be entitled to expect an employee to be slightly more activist in these situations than the average citizen, especially when they should have experience of it in their past.
Quote from: deiseach on February 23, 2015, 07:49:52 AM
I'd imagine it's a public display of sackcloth and ashes for the benefit of his employer. A human rights organisation would be entitled to expect an employee to be slightly more activist in these situations than the average citizen, especially when they should have experience of it in their past.
pure PR to avoid a twitter backlash or focus in the news for a few days
Sorry isn't good enough anyway in such situations.
He should have said "baby can I hold you"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzIE3mRFypQ
He's attemting to save his ass from the sack. Contrite apology....not travelling with the perpetrators....merely a bystander.....will fully cooperate with any investigation...etc
Quare fellow to be a director of a human rights org.....just like wee Wille F himself!!
I see Ronseal Ruth couldn't resist getting her fat face stuck in the middle of it too!
Had to laugh at this....
West Ham fans trolling Chelsea with this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILGrNzloMSU
Same day they sing this on another train....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B4BpnoIff4
::)
Is he a member of the Chelsea headhunters?
Quote from: yellowcard on February 23, 2015, 10:35:22 AM
Is he a member of the Chelsea headhunters?
He hadn't paid his subs in a couple of years, so he doesn't have the current years membership card and was travelling on his own and just happened to be on the train at the time.
Why is anyone surprised that an ex RUCite from Carrickfergus would display an ubermensch mentality.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 23, 2015, 11:03:32 AM
Why is anyone surprised that an ex RUCite from Carrickfergus would display an ubermensch mentality.
Not surprised at all. I'd hazard a guess that he's an ex DUP supporter who is now voting for UKIP
Chelsea fan sorry he was caught over Paris Metro incident
Quote from: Orior on February 23, 2015, 01:05:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 23, 2015, 11:03:32 AM
Why is anyone surprised that an ex RUCite from Carrickfergus would display an ubermensch mentality.
Not surprised at all. I'd hazard a guess that he's an ex DUP supporter who is now voting for UKIP
On first reading I thought that said ex DUB supporter!
https://twitter.com/HipsterManager/status/569546419692015617
i like this take on Chelsea
Quote from: ballinaman on February 23, 2015, 10:16:05 AM
Had to laugh at this....
West Ham fans trolling Chelsea with this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILGrNzloMSU
Same day they sing this on another train....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B4BpnoIff4
::)
From what i could make out the chant went "I've got a foreskin, how are you? - Jew".
Never mind being racists, would they not be embarrassed at their own idiocy? Then again, maybe having a foreskin is their greatest achievement in life.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on February 22, 2015, 10:45:14 PM
22 February 2015 Last updated at 22:21
Chelsea fan sorry over Paris Metro incident
An ex-police officer and Chelsea fan has apologised for his part in an alleged racist incident on the Paris Metro - but has denied he is a racist.
Richard Barklie, 50, of Carrickfergus, County Antrim, was identified as one of the people sought by the Met Police.
In a statement, he denied racist chanting and said he wanted to explain the context of the incident to police.
Chelsea Football Club has barred five fans after a video showed a black man being prevented from boarding a train.
Mr Barklie, an ex-Royal Ulster Constabulary and Police Service of Northern Ireland officer, is currently a director with a human rights organisation - the World Human Rights Forum - and has also worked supporting victims of the Troubles.
Belfast solicitor Kevin Winters issued a statement on behalf of the Chelsea season ticket-holder.
In it he said Mr Barklie:
had been involved in an "incident" in which a man - identified as Souleymane S - was "unable to enter part of the train"
had not taken part in racist singing and "condemns any behaviour supporting that"
had contacted the Met Police to "explain the context and circumstances" and wanted to "put on record his total abhorrence for racism"
wanted to state his "sincerest apologies for the trauma and stress suffered by Mr Souleymane"
went to the match alone and did not know anyone shown in the video
had travelled to games for more than 20 years "without incident" and had never been part of any "group or faction" of Chelsea fans
The statement added: "As someone who has spent years working with disadvantaged communities in Africa and India, he can point to a CV in human rights work which undermines any suggestion he is racist."
It said the Met Police had confirmed "arrangements were in hand to take the investigation to the next stage".
Earlier, the Met said three men being sought in connection with the incident had been identified - and released images including one of Mr Barklie.
Amateur video shot at Paris's Richelieu-Drouot station showed a man being pushed from the Metro train while a group chanted: "We're racist, we're racist and that's the way we like it."
Chelsea has said it will ban the five suspended fans from attending Stamford Bridge for life if there is sufficient evidence of their involvement.
A spokesman said the club was writing to the victim to "apologise unreservedly", while manager Jose Mourinho has said he is "ashamed" by the alleged racism.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31575913?print=true
He's 50 years of age and his daddy and mammy are on the media telling everyone what a good boy he is
Is there a cut off age when you stop looking out for your offspring ?
Considering this guy was part of an organisation (RUC) whose colleagues stood idly by and watch a catholic man get kicked to death in Portadown and then conviently lose the video footage, did you really expect him to intervene when the black guy was being refused entry to the train. He pushed the guy in typical RUC style.
I see he,s a member of a victims support group I wonder how much support he offered the Hamil family. Human rights activist my arse many of these officers manage to worm their way into these well paid quangos and jobs for the boys.
Hopefully he'll get his just reward considering the PSNI are not handling the video footage.
I thought the Indo's article on the ex RUC officer was more slanted to highlight the inherent contradictions in the character,
and just how is a person (who claims innocence) branded a racist by context and circumstances"?
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/exruc-officer-apologises-over-chelsea-racism-row-31013335.html (http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/exruc-officer-apologises-over-chelsea-racism-row-31013335.html)
A former RUC officer has apologised for his involvement in a race row involving Chelsea fans on the Paris Metro.
However, Richard Barklie, who was wanted by investigating police, has vehemently insisted he is not a racist.
The Chelsea season ticket holder is one of the three men whose images were released by Scotland Yard as part of an investigation into supporters who allegedly pushed a black man off a train.
The 50-year-old, a former RUC officer originally from Carrickfergus, said he wanted to tell his side of the story to police.
He is a director of a worldwide human rights organisation which promotes racial tolerance around the globe.
Mr Barklie has referenced Gandhi and Martin Luther King in previous speeches.
He is also an outreach worker for Wave, a cross-community charity which offers support to people bereaved, injured or traumatised by the Troubles.
In a statement, the charity confirmed it had suspended an individual pending an investigation.
A statement from the charity said: "The Wave Trauma Centre has suspended a part-time worker pending further investigation following an allegation of involvement in a racist incident in Paris last week.
"As this matter is subject to an investigation by the Metropolitan Police it would not be appropriate to comment further at this stage."
In a statement issued through his lawyer, Mr Barklie admitted involvement in an "incident" that resulted in a man being "unable to enter part of the train".
"He wants to put on record his sincerest apologies for the trauma and stress suffered by (the victim)".
He denied singing any racist songs, and insisted that "context and circumstances" must be taken into account.
He said this would form part of his explanation to investigating officers.
He explained how he travelled to the game alone, and that he did not know any of the other individuals captured on video footage of the alleged incident. He also said he has never been part of any "group or faction" of Chelsea fans.
Mr Barklie is a director of the World Human Rights Forum (WHRF), a global network of campaigners which promotes human rights.
In March 2013, during an address to the World Human Rights Conference in India, he appealed for racial tolerance.
"We must all keep working with a sense of compassion for each other in our hearts, with a sense of justice and equality we should banish from our hearts and minds prejudices of creed, colour, religion and gender.
"When we do this we will conceive a more harmonious and peaceful society," he added.
The alleged racial incident at the Richelieu-Drouot station occurred before the first leg of Chelsea's last-16 game at Parc des Princes on Tuesday.
Quote from: Main Street on February 23, 2015, 11:22:26 PM
I thought the Indo's article on the ex RUC officer was more slanted to highlight the inherent contradictions in the character,
and just how is a person (who claims innocence) branded a racist by context and circumstances"?
+1. if it turns out he wasn't involved in the pushing or chanting, then some people will have been a bit too hasty in condemning him. it's a bit harsh to condemn him for not intervening. I remember being in a situation years ago where i saw a fella taking a bad beating from a few yobs and I wanted to intervene but I actually froze with fear, and a few seconds later they stopped and left him alone. I was a coward but i didn't fail to intervene out of apathy. We'd all like to think we'd have stepped in and helped that lad on the train but it's hard to know until you're there.
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 23, 2015, 05:50:31 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on February 23, 2015, 10:16:05 AM
Had to laugh at this....
West Ham fans trolling Chelsea with this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILGrNzloMSU
Same day they sing this on another train....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B4BpnoIff4
::)
From what i could make out the chant went "I've got a foreskin, how are you? - Jew".
Never mind being racists, would they not be embarrassed at their own idiocy? Then again, maybe having a foreskin is their greatest achievement in life.
It is pointless expressing outrage against these fellas if you don't confront the likes of Seafoid and Bennycake on this board. They are all birds of a feather, just different hues....
Not really outraged Mikey, just think they could have come up with a wittier chant. They sounded like lads who'd had one too many bicycle chains to the head. I've no doubt that seafoid or benny could come up with something with much better than that. :)
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10991400_800429403327290_1860676161826833427_n.jpg?oh=543b5a0577ea853001bfb2c9042df3de&oe=55496BC4)
If you were an ex-police officer working for a human rights organisation and did nothing upon witnessing an act of racially motivated public disorder, it's perfectly reasonable to wonder why you did nothing.
Quote from: deiseach on February 24, 2015, 10:10:42 AM
If you were an ex-police officer working for a human rights organisation and did nothing upon witnessing an act of racially motivated public disorder, it's perfectly reasonable to wonder why you did nothing.
I'm not sure what you could do, except subsequently make yourself available for the investigation.
I don't think there is evidence of him singing but the in the video footage it is 'he' who is pushing the guy off the train on his 2nd or 3rd attempt to board.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 24, 2015, 01:28:30 AM
It is pointless expressing outrage against these fellas if you don't confront the likes of Seafoid and Bennycake on this board. They are all birds of a feather, just different hues....
You really need help to get over your Seafóid obsession :-[
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 23, 2015, 11:45:51 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 23, 2015, 11:22:26 PM
I thought the Indo's article on the ex RUC officer was more slanted to highlight the inherent contradictions in the character,
and just how is a person (who claims innocence) branded a racist by context and circumstances"?
+1. if it turns out he wasn't involved in the pushing or chanting, then some people will have been a bit too hasty in condemning him. it's a bit harsh to condemn him for not intervening. I remember being in a situation years ago where i saw a fella taking a bad beating from a few yobs and I wanted to intervene but I actually froze with fear, and a few seconds later they stopped and left him alone. I was a coward but i didn't fail to intervene out of apathy. We'd all like to think we'd have stepped in and helped that lad on the train but it's hard to know until you're there.
You reaction would also depend on the situation, context and circumstance :)
Re our alleged racist in denial, he's mature enough in years, has a police training, boasts of a long cv in human rights work, has a confessed active awareness about racism of which he has very strong opinion about, he abhors racism.
Yet he did nothing. if he is who he claims to be, his instinct should have kicked in and either verbally intervened or got off the train, he should have been able to manage some appropriate action
The sunday world report
http://www.sundayworld.com/news/news/chelsea-race-thug-is-ex-irish-cop
Chelsea race thug is ex Irish cop ???
Last night, a former RUC officer told us: "I recognised Barklie right away – in fact as soon as I saw the film footage on the TV news, I knew it was him."
He can be clearly seen shoving a black man trying to board the train back out the door and on to the platform. If you ask me was I surprised? I'd have to answer 'No'.(http://darkroom.sundayworld.com/300/0/2d04f3ec06199bc63295ea4dd1aa1af7:f22e0b6f9eb1035ed96d8cb131027c05/richard-barkley-chelsea-fan.jpg)
If he had been an innocent bystander(and it sounds like he wasn't) it would have been fine for him not to get involved. Of course, I think we should all try to help if we see someone in distress, but he's perfectly entitled to put his own safety first. He could have a family to support. I think it'd be different if he was still an active police officer. And I don't think his role as a director of a human rights organisation obliges him to act as a vigilante wherever he sees discrimination and injustice.
Obviously the right thing to do is to get involved and I'd love to think I'd have had the courage to stand up for that man if I'd been there.
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 24, 2015, 01:29:30 PM
If he had been an innocent bystander(and it sounds like he wasn't) it would have been fine for him not to get involved. Of course, I think we should all try to help if we see someone in distress, but he's perfectly entitled to put his own safety first. He could have a family to support. I think it'd be different if he was still an active police officer. And I don't think his role as a director of a human rights organisation obliges him to act as a vigilante wherever he sees discrimination and injustice.
Obviously the right thing to do is to get involved and I'd love to think I'd have had the courage to stand up for that man if I'd been there.
I am the type to open my mouth before engaging my brain, but the prospect taking on a bunch of football hooligans might help me keep my mouth shut. I hope.
Quote from: muppet on February 24, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 24, 2015, 01:29:30 PM
If he had been an innocent bystander(and it sounds like he wasn't) it would have been fine for him not to get involved. Of course, I think we should all try to help if we see someone in distress, but he's perfectly entitled to put his own safety first. He could have a family to support. I think it'd be different if he was still an active police officer. And I don't think his role as a director of a human rights organisation obliges him to act as a vigilante wherever he sees discrimination and injustice.
Obviously the right thing to do is to get involved and I'd love to think I'd have had the courage to stand up for that man if I'd been there.
I am the type to open my mouth before engaging my brain, but the prospect taking on a bunch of football hooligans might help me keep my mouth shut. I hope.
There's no denying that, but would you actively have been pushing the lad back out the train just to be seen as one of the lads?
Quote from: johnneycool on February 24, 2015, 03:06:05 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 24, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 24, 2015, 01:29:30 PM
If he had been an innocent bystander(and it sounds like he wasn't) it would have been fine for him not to get involved. Of course, I think we should all try to help if we see someone in distress, but he's perfectly entitled to put his own safety first. He could have a family to support. I think it'd be different if he was still an active police officer. And I don't think his role as a director of a human rights organisation obliges him to act as a vigilante wherever he sees discrimination and injustice.
Obviously the right thing to do is to get involved and I'd love to think I'd have had the courage to stand up for that man if I'd been there.
I am the type to open my mouth before engaging my brain, but the prospect taking on a bunch of football hooligans might help me keep my mouth shut. I hope.
There's no denying that, but would you actively have been pushing the lad back out the train just to be seen as one of the lads?
I suspect his defence might be, I recognised that he was in danger and I saved him by pushing him off the train. :D
He probably didnt want to open his mouth in case his fellow Chelsea supporters recognised his accent and put him off the train too, or gave him a kibbin for being a farking irish caaant
Quote from: muppet on February 24, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 24, 2015, 01:29:30 PM
If he had been an innocent bystander(and it sounds like he wasn't) it would have been fine for him not to get involved. Of course, I think we should all try to help if we see someone in distress, but he's perfectly entitled to put his own safety first. He could have a family to support. I think it'd be different if he was still an active police officer. And I don't think his role as a director of a human rights organisation obliges him to act as a vigilante wherever he sees discrimination and injustice.
Obviously the right thing to do is to get involved and I'd love to think I'd have had the courage to stand up for that man if I'd been there.
I am the type to open my mouth before engaging my brain, but the prospect taking on a bunch of football hooligans might help me keep my mouth shut. I hope.
Is that the only choice of action that comes to your mind?
How about saying something, or just simply leaving the train to stand with the target on the platform?
Anyway standing up for somebody in that situation, you don't think about it you would just do what fits.
Quote from: Main Street on February 24, 2015, 03:38:54 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 24, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 24, 2015, 01:29:30 PM
If he had been an innocent bystander(and it sounds like he wasn't) it would have been fine for him not to get involved. Of course, I think we should all try to help if we see someone in distress, but he's perfectly entitled to put his own safety first. He could have a family to support. I think it'd be different if he was still an active police officer. And I don't think his role as a director of a human rights organisation obliges him to act as a vigilante wherever he sees discrimination and injustice.
Obviously the right thing to do is to get involved and I'd love to think I'd have had the courage to stand up for that man if I'd been there.
I am the type to open my mouth before engaging my brain, but the prospect taking on a bunch of football hooligans might help me keep my mouth shut. I hope.
Is that the only choice of action that comes to your mind?
How about saying something, or just simply leaving the train to stand with the target on the platform?
Anyway standing up for somebody in that situation, you don't think about it you would just do what fits.
Have you been in the company of a bunch of football hooligans?
Quote from: muppet on February 24, 2015, 03:43:51 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 24, 2015, 03:38:54 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 24, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 24, 2015, 01:29:30 PM
If he had been an innocent bystander(and it sounds like he wasn't) it would have been fine for him not to get involved. Of course, I think we should all try to help if we see someone in distress, but he's perfectly entitled to put his own safety first. He could have a family to support. I think it'd be different if he was still an active police officer. And I don't think his role as a director of a human rights organisation obliges him to act as a vigilante wherever he sees discrimination and injustice.
Obviously the right thing to do is to get involved and I'd love to think I'd have had the courage to stand up for that man if I'd been there.
I am the type to open my mouth before engaging my brain, but the prospect taking on a bunch of football hooligans might help me keep my mouth shut. I hope.
Is that the only choice of action that comes to your mind?
How about saying something, or just simply leaving the train to stand with the target on the platform?
Anyway standing up for somebody in that situation, you don't think about it you would just do what fits.
Have you been in the company of a bunch of football hooligans?
Your experience with them would definitely make you think twice in spite of everyone wanting to think that they would do the right things. I had an incident a few years ago down near Hurlingham park in London where was crossing a road with earphones on and a red man at the lights but nothing coming. Next thing a guy comes screaming round the corner in a 4x4 and nearly runs me over. I had to jump back and he had to slow down and he wound down the window to give me abuse at which point i told him to feck off - we were both in wrong as I shouldn't have been crossing but he was driving way too fast.
Next thing the guy stops, gets out of his vehicle and has a machete in his hand - didnt even have to get it from the boot or anything. Asked me did I have anything to say to him. Now apparently the reactions are fight, flight or freeze and I was so stunned I just stood there rooted to the ground. Even if had wanted to say something, I couldn't have.
The fella had a Chelsea top on. Was so paralysed by fear that didn't think to take note of any details like licence plate until he had gone of course.
Now, I'm fairly certain I wouldn't be pushing this poor fella off the train and I'd like to think that if there were punches thrown that I'd have said something but if you have had any dealings with this type in the past, I suspect you would probably be doing your best to keep your head down unless things got really out of hand.
Quote from: CiKe on February 24, 2015, 04:14:19 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 24, 2015, 03:43:51 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 24, 2015, 03:38:54 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 24, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 24, 2015, 01:29:30 PM
If he had been an innocent bystander(and it sounds like he wasn't) it would have been fine for him not to get involved. Of course, I think we should all try to help if we see someone in distress, but he's perfectly entitled to put his own safety first. He could have a family to support. I think it'd be different if he was still an active police officer. And I don't think his role as a director of a human rights organisation obliges him to act as a vigilante wherever he sees discrimination and injustice.
Obviously the right thing to do is to get involved and I'd love to think I'd have had the courage to stand up for that man if I'd been there.
I am the type to open my mouth before engaging my brain, but the prospect taking on a bunch of football hooligans might help me keep my mouth shut. I hope.
Is that the only choice of action that comes to your mind?
How about saying something, or just simply leaving the train to stand with the target on the platform?
Anyway standing up for somebody in that situation, you don't think about it you would just do what fits.
Have you been in the company of a bunch of football hooligans?
Your experience with them would definitely make you think twice in spite of everyone wanting to think that they would do the right things. I had an incident a few years ago down near Hurlingham park in London where was crossing a road with earphones on and a red man at the lights but nothing coming. Next thing a guy comes screaming round the corner in a 4x4 and nearly runs me over. I had to jump back and he had to slow down and he wound down the window to give me abuse at which point i told him to feck off - we were both in wrong as I shouldn't have been crossing but he was driving way too fast.
Next thing the guy stops, gets out of his vehicle and has a machete in his hand - didnt even have to get it from the boot or anything. Asked me did I have anything to say to him. Now apparently the reactions are fight, flight or freeze and I was so stunned I just stood there rooted to the ground. Even if had wanted to say something, I couldn't have.
The fella had a Chelsea top on. Was so paralysed by fear that didn't think to take note of any details like licence plate until he had gone of course.
Now, I'm fairly certain I wouldn't be pushing this poor fella off the train and I'd like to think that if there were punches thrown that I'd have said something but if you have had any dealings with this type in the past, I suspect you would probably be doing your best to keep your head down unless things got really out of hand.
was over in Manchester with my dad years ago at a game and we got the ferry from Scotland back to Larne (I think) we got on early and all good, headed round the bar to relax have a pint, then all of a sudden about 100 Rangers fans came on screaming like banshees!! All the usual crap
I said nowt but one of the lads from the crowd recognised me from my old work (shipyard) came over and said Mucker it would be better for you and your dad to find another seat, in a totally nice way and with a bitta sense, I duly left that part of the boat and we sat elsewhere, half hour later they were beating the fcuk out of themselves, UDA and UVF twats.... never get involved with a mob, what the feck can you actually do, really?
was on a train one day when a load of dubs fans got on after a National League match. ticket checker came along and one particular gent had no ticket. he then started giving the checker racist abuse when asked for a ticket. checker had the right to call ahead and get him thrown off. one lad spoke up. their ire turned towards him and the ticket checker p!ssed off and left him.
Quote from: muppet on February 24, 2015, 03:43:51 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 24, 2015, 03:38:54 PM
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Quote from: Asal Mor on February 24, 2015, 01:29:30 PM
If he had been an innocent bystander(and it sounds like he wasn't) it would have been fine for him not to get involved. Of course, I think we should all try to help if we see someone in distress, but he's perfectly entitled to put his own safety first. He could have a family to support. I think it'd be different if he was still an active police officer. And I don't think his role as a director of a human rights organisation obliges him to act as a vigilante wherever he sees discrimination and injustice.
Obviously the right thing to do is to get involved and I'd love to think I'd have had the courage to stand up for that man if I'd been there.
I am the type to open my mouth before engaging my brain, but the prospect taking on a bunch of football hooligans might help me keep my mouth shut. I hope.
Is that the only choice of action that comes to your mind?
How about saying something, or just simply leaving the train to stand with the target on the platform?
Anyway standing up for somebody in that situation, you don't think about it you would just do what fits.
Have you been in the company of a bunch of football hooligans?
Thats not answering my question
Is direct confrontation the only option that comes to your mind?
Considering the shadow of this trained ruc killer, loomed large across the train carriage, I doubt if words by him telling those midgets to back off and leave the gentleman alone ,would have resulted in carnage.
And if that fear would loom large in his head, he had the option of leaving the carriage, the company he was keeping and express his solidarity with the passenger by standing alongside him on the station platform, also seeing as he abhors racism this would be an entirely doable action even if he was a fearful lad like yourself.
One time I came to the aid of a distressed woman who was being robbed by 4 people on the tube in London. I'd consider that to be a more threatening situation than standing up to a few yobs chanting some racist jibes.
So I don't accept this man's excuses, the sincerity of his apology or the validity of his credentials, he did not perform any action to distance himself from those yobs, his words carry no effect now.
Quote from: Main Street on February 24, 2015, 05:17:49 PM
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Quote from: Main Street on February 24, 2015, 03:38:54 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 24, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 24, 2015, 01:29:30 PM
If he had been an innocent bystander(and it sounds like he wasn't) it would have been fine for him not to get involved. Of course, I think we should all try to help if we see someone in distress, but he's perfectly entitled to put his own safety first. He could have a family to support. I think it'd be different if he was still an active police officer. And I don't think his role as a director of a human rights organisation obliges him to act as a vigilante wherever he sees discrimination and injustice.
Obviously the right thing to do is to get involved and I'd love to think I'd have had the courage to stand up for that man if I'd been there.
I am the type to open my mouth before engaging my brain, but the prospect taking on a bunch of football hooligans might help me keep my mouth shut. I hope.
Is that the only choice of action that comes to your mind?
How about saying something, or just simply leaving the train to stand with the target on the platform?
Anyway standing up for somebody in that situation, you don't think about it you would just do what fits.
Have you been in the company of a bunch of football hooligans?
Thats not answering my question
Is direct confrontation the only option that comes to your mind?
Considering the shadow of this trained ruc killer, loomed large across the train carriage, I doubt if words by him telling those midgets to back off and leave the gentleman alone ,would have resulted in carnage.
And if that fear would loom large in his head, he had the option of leaving the carriage, the company he was keeping and express his solidarity with the passenger by standing alongside him on the station platform, also seeing as he abhors racism this would be an entirely doable action even if he was a fearful lad like yourself.
One time I came to the aid of a distressed woman who was being robbed by 4 people on the tube in London. I'd consider that to be a more threatening situation than standing up to a few yobs chanting some racist jibes.
So I don't accept this man's excuses, the sincerity of his apology or the validity of his credentials, he did not perform any action to distance himself from those yobs, his words carry no effect now.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Fair play for standing up against 4 men, who were probably concerned others would join in with you.
But there is no comparison whatsoever in standing up to a bunch of thugs, knowing that if anyone joins in it will be to kick you in the head.
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Quote from: Main Street on February 24, 2015, 05:17:49 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 24, 2015, 03:43:51 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 24, 2015, 03:38:54 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 24, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 24, 2015, 01:29:30 PM
If he had been an innocent bystander(and it sounds like he wasn't) it would have been fine for him not to get involved. Of course, I think we should all try to help if we see someone in distress, but he's perfectly entitled to put his own safety first. He could have a family to support. I think it'd be different if he was still an active police officer. And I don't think his role as a director of a human rights organisation obliges him to act as a vigilante wherever he sees discrimination and injustice.
Obviously the right thing to do is to get involved and I'd love to think I'd have had the courage to stand up for that man if I'd been there.
I am the type to open my mouth before engaging my brain, but the prospect taking on a bunch of football hooligans might help me keep my mouth shut. I hope.
Is that the only choice of action that comes to your mind?
How about saying something, or just simply leaving the train to stand with the target on the platform?
Anyway standing up for somebody in that situation, you don't think about it you would just do what fits.
Have you been in the company of a bunch of football hooligans?
Thats not answering my question
Is direct confrontation the only option that comes to your mind?
Considering the shadow of this trained ruc killer, loomed large across the train carriage, I doubt if words by him telling those midgets to back off and leave the gentleman alone ,would have resulted in carnage.
And if that fear would loom large in his head, he had the option of leaving the carriage, the company he was keeping and express his solidarity with the passenger by standing alongside him on the station platform, also seeing as he abhors racism this would be an entirely doable action even if he was a fearful lad like yourself.
One time I came to the aid of a distressed woman who was being robbed by 4 people on the tube in London. I'd consider that to be a more threatening situation than standing up to a few yobs chanting some racist jibes.
So I don't accept this man's excuses, the sincerity of his apology or the validity of his credentials, he did not perform any action to distance himself from those yobs, his words carry no effect now.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Fair play for standing up against 4 men, who were probably concerned others would join in with you.
But there is no comparison whatsoever in standing up to a bunch of thugs, knowing that if anyone joins in it will be to kick you in the head.
Is this point not moot?
Does the video not clearly show him shoving the guy off the train and then positioning himself at the front preventing him reboarding?
Quote from: tyssam5 on February 24, 2015, 06:34:28 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 24, 2015, 06:20:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 24, 2015, 05:17:49 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 24, 2015, 03:43:51 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 24, 2015, 03:38:54 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 24, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 24, 2015, 01:29:30 PM
If he had been an innocent bystander(and it sounds like he wasn't) it would have been fine for him not to get involved. Of course, I think we should all try to help if we see someone in distress, but he's perfectly entitled to put his own safety first. He could have a family to support. I think it'd be different if he was still an active police officer. And I don't think his role as a director of a human rights organisation obliges him to act as a vigilante wherever he sees discrimination and injustice.
Obviously the right thing to do is to get involved and I'd love to think I'd have had the courage to stand up for that man if I'd been there.
I am the type to open my mouth before engaging my brain, but the prospect taking on a bunch of football hooligans might help me keep my mouth shut. I hope.
Is that the only choice of action that comes to your mind?
How about saying something, or just simply leaving the train to stand with the target on the platform?
Anyway standing up for somebody in that situation, you don't think about it you would just do what fits.
Have you been in the company of a bunch of football hooligans?
Thats not answering my question
Is direct confrontation the only option that comes to your mind?
Considering the shadow of this trained ruc killer, loomed large across the train carriage, I doubt if words by him telling those midgets to back off and leave the gentleman alone ,would have resulted in carnage.
And if that fear would loom large in his head, he had the option of leaving the carriage, the company he was keeping and express his solidarity with the passenger by standing alongside him on the station platform, also seeing as he abhors racism this would be an entirely doable action even if he was a fearful lad like yourself.
One time I came to the aid of a distressed woman who was being robbed by 4 people on the tube in London. I'd consider that to be a more threatening situation than standing up to a few yobs chanting some racist jibes.
So I don't accept this man's excuses, the sincerity of his apology or the validity of his credentials, he did not perform any action to distance himself from those yobs, his words carry no effect now.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Fair play for standing up against 4 men, who were probably concerned others would join in with you.
But there is no comparison whatsoever in standing up to a bunch of thugs, knowing that if anyone joins in it will be to kick you in the head.
Is this point not moot?
Does the video not clearly show him shoving the guy off the train and then positioning himself at the front preventing him reboarding?
You are correct, but see post #35 above.
I stopped a thug from stealing a car on the Falls road years ago, at school I stood up to the year bully and went toe to toe with him, I remember chasing two fecking wee hoods down the street with my hurl when they were trying to break into a neighbours house.
This ex RUC police officer is a twat, of that I've no doubt (most Carrick men are) I'd have known fine rightly what he was at and joined in regardless. Hopefully his pleas of innocents falls on deaf ears...
Now regardless of whether he joined in or not, there is not a chance I'd stand up to a bunch of thugs on a tube in Paris!! fecking bad enough in rush hour those tubes without a bunch of hoods on them
I would say he is going to go for the " i pushed him off for his own safety" angle. But really can you take anyone seriously who on one hand claims to abhor racism and on the other supports Chelsea?
It's quite clear that he is an active participant in the physical side of things and what I can say from a thing or two I know it's not surprising. If he was so concerned about his own safety of he stood up to them then he could have stepped back but he was quite happy to be at the forefront of the baying mob. Pretty much a case of 'if it walks like a duck...'
Plenty of heroes on here. A pity yiz weren't in Paris :P
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 24, 2015, 09:34:00 PM
Plenty of heroes on here. A pity yiz weren't in Paris :P
Just because you're a shrinking yellow coward like muppet, you like to brainlessly jeer without reading the actual content of the thread. :P
The hypothetical defence offered here on behalf of this fat ex ruc giant, was that he was too intimidated by a few skinny retard chelsea fans to protect the commuter from racist abuse and from being thrown off the train.
It's quite obvious that this trained killer could have easily looked after himself, he's effin 3 times the size of the other chelsea fans.
And its quite obvious that if this ex ruc man was so abhorred (as he loudly protested) by racism, he could have simply stepped off the train to offer his solidarity.
But it appears cowards like yourself and Muppet would be too intimated to even consider that simple act of solidarity with the beleaguered commuter, Souleymane Sylla.
It is quite clear that this ex ruc man was not at all intimidated into doing nothing, in fact he can be seen aggressively pushing the commuter twice, from the train to the platform. He now bizarrely claims
"People behind me were pushing and he was pushed back off,"
"He never attempted to see if there was more room in any of the other carriages. (blaming Souleymane Sylla for the incident)
"He was pushed off simply because the carriage was full, no other reason. It had nothing to do with the colour of his skin."Probably now he needs a solicitor to defend himself against criminal charges, he can only hope that his solicitor does not offer the Muppet defence, in that case, for sure he would go down.
Quote from: Main Street on March 11, 2015, 06:24:20 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 24, 2015, 09:34:00 PM
Plenty of heroes on here. A pity yiz weren't in Paris :P
Just because you're a shrinking yellow coward like muppet, you like to brainlessly jeer without reading the actual content of the thread. :P
The hypothetical defence offered here on behalf of this fat ex ruc giant, was that he was too intimidated by a few skinny retard chelsea fans to protect the commuter from racist abuse and from being thrown off the train.
It's quite obvious that this trained killer could have easily looked after himself, he's effin 3 times the size of the other chelsea fans.
And its quite obvious that if this ex ruc man was so abhorred (as he loudly protested) by racism, he could have simply stepped off the train to offer his solidarity.
But it appears cowards like yourself and Muppet would be too intimated to even consider that simple act of solidarity with the beleaguered commuter, Souleymane Sylla.
It is quite clear that this ex ruc man was not at all intimidated into doing nothing, in fact he can be seen aggressively pushing the commuter twice, from the train to the platform. He now bizarrely claims
"People behind me were pushing and he was pushed back off,"
"He never attempted to see if there was more room in any of the other carriages. (blaming Souleymane Sylla for the incident)
"He was pushed off simply because the carriage was full, no other reason. It had nothing to do with the colour of his skin."
Probably now he needs a solicitor to defend himself against criminal charges, he can only hope that his solicitor does not offer the Muppet defence, in that case, for sure he would go down.
Dear God,
Please let Main Street have the opportunity to show his abundant manliness and bollock a bunch of misbehaving football hooligans on how to act while they are misbehaving. If it pleases you further, could you make sure it is all recorded and posted to youtube.com? (you know, the video site named after Tony Fearon).
Yours faithfully,
Muppet.
Chelsea fans guilty over Paris Metro racism
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/former-ruc-officer-among-four-chelsea-fans-found-guilty-over-racist-incident-on-paris-train-35338867.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/former-ruc-officer-among-four-chelsea-fans-found-guilty-over-racist-incident-on-paris-train-35338867.html)
Thankfully the french courts have not been as gullible as some members here such as Muppet and Baloney who by default supported the pot bellied ex-RUC man's account of his actions on that fateful night in Paris. The french court poured scorn on the giant trained killer's account that he was too intimidated to help the hapless commuter Souleymane Sylla, that he was not aggressively pushing him off the train onto the platform and found him guilty along with the three miserable looking runts.
fat loud bastard should loose everything