Both sides line meet after winning their opener.
When did Monaghan last beat Cork? I was at an All Ireland semi final defeat to them back in '88. Saw them relegate us in 'blayney a lock of years ago and we lost to them (narrowly) after conceding a 3 soft goals last time we met. Surely time to get that monkey off the back.
Why are we playing this in Castleblayney? What are the County board thinking of not playing it in Clones?
Do any Cork supporters use GAA Board?
They don't even go to the games.
Quote from: babarino on February 02, 2015, 11:08:54 PM
Both sides line meet after winning their opener.
When did Monaghan last beat Cork? I was at an All Ireland semi final defeat to them back in '88. Saw them relegate us in 'blayney a lock of years ago and we lost to them (narrowly) after conceding a 3 soft goals to them last time we met. Surely time to get that monkey off the back.
Why are we playing this in Castleblayney? What are the County board thinking of not playing it in Clones?
Do any Cork supporters use GAA Board?
Probably using Blaney for this game is a recognition for the efforts that went into the development of their new 2,000 seater stand and their new prunty pitch.
I think it's okay to use places like Blaney, Scotstown or Inniskeen for these games, the nfl games do not attract more than these places hold and not any less than if the game was played in Clones.
This will be an interesting game given the form of both teams. Cork despite having a manager who appears clueless have a few players on the up and in great nick. They've had superb u21 teams over last 5 years so even despite the difficulties, they could easily turn into AI contenders.
Monaghan have turned into solid citizens in recent years and at home one would expect them to beat most teams, especially in Castleblaney. I'd foresee a narrow home win.
Cork or their supporters don't travel the best. Monaghan to be top of the table next weekend.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 02, 2015, 11:12:11 PM
They don't even go to the games.
Maybe there is an opportunity to convert a few Tyrone fans with time on their hands and a long period of introspection ahead into Cork supporters just for bored/board purposes. The only meaningful activity they have at the moment is counting their 3 all irelands.
Quote from: babarino on February 02, 2015, 11:08:54 PM
Both sides line meet after winning their opener.
When did Monaghan last beat Cork? I was at an All Ireland semi final defeat to them back in '88. Saw them relegate us in 'blayney a lock of years ago and we lost to them (narrowly) after conceding a 3 soft goals to them last time we met. Surely time to get that monkey off the back.
Why are we playing this in Castleblayney? What are the County board thinking of not playing it in Clones?
Do any Cork supporters use GAA Board?
Do tell me why not?
Quote from: Bingo on February 03, 2015, 09:33:42 AM
Quote from: babarino on February 02, 2015, 11:08:54 PM
Both sides line meet after winning their opener.
When did Monaghan last beat Cork? I was at an All Ireland semi final defeat to them back in '88. Saw them relegate us in 'blayney a lock of years ago and we lost to them (narrowly) after conceding a 3 soft goals to them last time we met. Surely time to get that monkey off the back.
Why are we playing this in Castleblayney? What are the County board thinking of not playing it in Clones?
Do any Cork supporters use GAA Board?
Do tell me why not?
wouldn't dare speak for Babarino but our record in Clones is good don't think we have lost a league game there since 2010. If its not broke why fix it.
Quote from: cluaineois on February 03, 2015, 01:00:13 PM
Quote from: Bingo on February 03, 2015, 09:33:42 AM
Quote from: babarino on February 02, 2015, 11:08:54 PM
Both sides line meet after winning their opener.
When did Monaghan last beat Cork? I was at an All Ireland semi final defeat to them back in '88. Saw them relegate us in 'blayney a lock of years ago and we lost to them (narrowly) after conceding a 3 soft goals to them last time we met. Surely time to get that monkey off the back.
Why are we playing this in Castleblayney? What are the County board thinking of not playing it in Clones?
Do any Cork supporters use GAA Board?
Do tell me why not?
wouldn't dare speak for Babarino but our record in Clones is good don't think we have lost a league game there since 2010. If its not broke why fix it.
Lost the last two competitive games there ;) And Monaghan are unbeaten in Blayney in 2015 ;D
If a team is relying or even looking at the venue and their record there then they are a mentally weak team. What happens when they play a team at a venue they don't have a good record at? Already a weak mindset. You play the opposition not the venue and likewise for the opponents. The playing surface is also the same size as Clones, so that's not an issue.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 02, 2015, 11:52:42 PM
This will be an interesting game given the form of both teams. Cork despite having a manager who appears clueless have a few players on the up and in great nick. They've had superb u21 teams over last 5 years so even despite the difficulties, they could easily turn into AI contenders.
Monaghan have turned into solid citizens in recent years and at home one would expect them to beat most teams, especially in Castleblaney. I'd foresee a narrow home win.
There's nothing that special about Castelblaney :) It's there and been there for a while, therefore it is.
Possibly there is about Inniskeen where we "always" beat Tyrone, and possibly Scotstown (way beyond the navigational skill of any rebel supporter), where Cork scraped a one point win, exactly 5 years ago.
As has been said, if it ain't broke why fix it?
Don't agree with you Bingo, about the weak mindset line. Small details count and we beat Galway last year in Clones, playing shite. Likewise we had an off day against Armagh, in the Ulster Championship, drew and still could have won. We've built up a bit of a fortress in Clones, which gets diminished when we chop and change the venue. TV commentators say so, which feeds into the general psyche. Not that we've played in 'blayney much, but I don't have any memories of county victories there.
I'm very much in favour of games going to Blayney/Scotstown/Inniskeen, it makes for a good occasion and atmosphere and it's a great boost the host club and community.
A past member of a management team did make a good point to me about Clones however, that making it our base in the league helps it to become a 'fortress' in the championship.
Quote from: thebandit on February 04, 2015, 05:05:44 PM
I'm very much in favour of games going to Blayney/Scotstown/Inniskeen, it makes for a good occasion and atmosphere and it's a great boost the host club and community.
A past member of a management team did make a good point to me about Clones however, that making it our base in the league helps it to become a 'fortress' in the championship.
Sounds to me like you've made a better argument for Clones than going elsewhere. Your management team past member was right.
Anyroad we'll not fall out over it (so long as we win), or we'll descend into a north v south, or east - west divide, like what's happened in Tyrone.
Some welcome deferred coverage of this game is scheduled on TG4
GAA Beo13:30 Live coverage of Mayo v Tyrone and deferred coverage of Monaghan v Cork in the 2nd round of the Allianz Football League. Highlights also of...zzzzzzzzz
Monaghan are made favourites for this game, I find it hard to see the reasons for that as Cork have consistently been a better team than Monaghan in the playing life of the current squad. Maybe the fear of the unknown, the mythical Blaney factor has some currency.
Ruairí Ó Beagáin An Bhoth
2 Conor Boyle Conchúr Ó Baoil Cluain Tiobraid
3 Drew Wylie Aindreas Wylie Béal Átha Beithe
4 Ryan Wylie Riain Wylie Béal Átha Beithe
5 Dessie Mone Deasún Mocháin Cluain Tiobraid
6 Fintan Kelly Fionáin Ó Ceallaigh Cluain Eois
7 Kieran Duffy Ciáran Ó Dufaigh Leachtain
8 Neil McAdam Niall Mac Adaim Na Clairsigh Mhuineacháin
9 Dick Clerkin Risteard Ó Cléirchín Curraichín
10 Darren Hughes Darren Ó hAodha An Bhoth
11 Stephen Gollogly Stíofán Mac an Ghallóglaigh Carraig Mhacaire Rois
12 Ryan Mc Anespie Rian Mac Giolla Easpaig Scairbh na gCaorach
13 Dermot Malone Diarmaid Ó Maoileain Fág An Bealach
14 Daniel McKenna Dónall Mac Cionnaith Gaeil Triúcha
15 Kieran Hughes Ciarán Ó hAodha An Bhoth
Monaghan team named for sunday
I take it then that Fintan Kelly's injury last Saturday isn't serious. It looked like it could be serious enough the way he went over on it and in the manner he hobbled off but hopefully it's not.
Quote from: charlie linkbox on February 05, 2015, 10:51:48 PM
I take it then that Fintan Kelly's injury last Saturday isn't serious. It looked like it could be serious enough the way he went over on it and in the manner he hobbled off but hopefully it's not.
Heard that his ankle was sprained but he should be ok.
Quote from: cluaineois on February 06, 2015, 07:33:15 AM
Quote from: charlie linkbox on February 05, 2015, 10:51:48 PM
I take it then that Fintan Kelly's injury last Saturday isn't serious. It looked like it could be serious enough the way he went over on it and in the manner he hobbled off but hopefully it's not.
Heard that his ankle was sprained but he should be ok.
Either that or Malachy's just done a copy and paste from last week.. ;)
Hope he's fit though!
Cork (FL Division 1 v Monaghan) - Ken O'Halloran; Tomas Clancy (Fermoy), Tom Clancy (Clonakilty), James Loughrey; Conor Dorman, Eoin Cadogan, Brian O'Driscoll; Fintan Goold, Ian Maguire; Mark Collins, Donncha O'Connor, Colm O'Driscoll; Colm O'Neill, Paul Kerrigan, Brian Hurley.
Subs: Michael Martin, Jamie O'Sullivan, Daniel Hazel, Stephen O'Donoghue, Michael Cussen, Donal Og Hodnett, Luke Connelly, John Hayes, John O'Rourke, Barry O'Driscoll, Kevin O'Driscoll.
O'Connor and Kerrigan done the harm the last day in Scotstown from what I mind. It'll be interesting to see how they fair this time out..
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on February 06, 2015, 02:12:38 PM
Cork (FL Division 1 v Monaghan) - Ken O'Halloran; Tomas Clancy (Fermoy), Tom Clancy (Clonakilty), James Loughrey; Conor Dorman, Eoin Cadogan, Brian O'Driscoll; Fintan Goold, Ian Maguire; Mark Collins, Donncha O'Connor, Colm O'Driscoll; Colm O'Neill, Paul Kerrigan, Brian Hurley.
Subs: Michael Martin, Jamie O'Sullivan, Daniel Hazel, Stephen O'Donoghue, Michael Cussen, Donal Og Hodnett, Luke Connelly, John Hayes, John O'Rourke, Barry O'Driscoll, Kevin O'Driscoll.
O'Connor and Kerrigan done the harm the last day in Scotstown from what I mind. It'll be interesting to see how they fair this time out..
That middle eight by Cork doesnt really compare too favourably to the Monaghan middle eight - really wouldnt be surprised to see Monaghan to get a fair bit of joy around the centre of the park.
Dont think either Loughrey or Kerrigan are going to line up anyway near their numbered positions.
The Cork bench does not look that impressive - are there an absolute pile of Cork lads injured or what?
Think Monaghan have a great chance to get something from this game. Nothing to be scared of from this Cork team - in recent years we've had narrow defeats to better Cork teams than the current one.
Finlay and Mansy in for Dick and Darren. John O Rourke in for Gould on the Cork team.
Cork cúnts scrape yet another 1 point win against Monaghan, an energetic game, closely fought but with a sad ending.
Tough result to take. An end to end game. Plenty of good scores and plenty of bad misses. Monaghan just lost o Neill on a few too many occasions. Had our chance to level it at the death but unfortunately Conor picked the wrong time to miss a free. Enjoyed blayney too. Good spot on a dry day. Horrible when she is wet. Lucky with the weather today.
The Cork goalie 8) 8) 8)
Our league run at home gone, our record against Cork and in Castlebayney stays the same. This was a sickening 2 points lost.
The Cork lads did well, their pace and power caused us problems and while much of our play and attitude was good, there were too many bad wides and players over complicating play. Dessie's black card was deserved, but some of the Cork fouling deserved the same. But with the misses we had, we can have no complaints.
Sickening to lose that one. We were every bit as good as Cork, but they got the goals. You do have to question the wisdom of moving the game from Clones - every little helps, and who knows iif it might have been worth a point or two.
What happened Darren Hughes today? Hadn't heard he was out. He was badly missed, especially with Lennon missing too.
Yeah that's a tough one to take, giving up 4-point leads on two occasions and we still could've won only for the amount of wides we hit. And then having a chance to get the draw but not taking it - I wonder why Rory didn't take that free, 45m out dead in front of the posts, it would've been a fairly straightforward one for him surely in normal circumstances? And at that distance I'd always prefer to see the frees taken off the ground.
Darren Hughes being out was the biggest blow to us today, he would've been worth a couple of points himself considering the work he puts in all over the pitch. Hopefully whatever kept him out will be cleared up by the time we play Mayo.
It was a sickener and it's still hard to take.
Apart from beating Derry, we'll have to pick up another point somewhere along the way.
I think 5 will be enough.
Quote from: Main Street on February 09, 2015, 08:23:13 PM
It was a sickener and it's still hard to take.
Apart from beating Derry, we'll have to pick up another point somewhere along the way.
I think 5 will be enough.
5 may not be, Given the spread of points to date. We'll have to go all out for the Derry and Donegal games.
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 09, 2015, 09:15:38 PM
5 may not be, Given the spread of points to date. We'll have to go all out for the Derry and Donegal games.
For us to progress we have to beat sides outside Ulster and will have to go all out to beat Kerry, Mayo and Dublin as well. If we can't do it in the League, we've less chance in the Championship.
Is beating a team in the league a good indicator that we can beat them in the championship? I'd say the different competitions have differing standards.
We might well have a good chance to beat Dublin's nfl team (us with 15 fit players this time), if we have to win to survive and they being already secure for their semi final spot.
Cork have already beaten Dublin and I thought they looked quite good at times against us, they might be the outstanding team in the NFL and teams like Mayo might be struggling or just warming up. There's a good chance that head to head and/or points difference will come into the relegation equation and so far we are doing alright there.
On the game, I had a look at the TG4 recording for another view of it.
Strange that both O'Neill and the Wylie brothers were outstanding, anyone else get the impression that Drew is shaping up to be one of the top few defenders in the game? he reminds me of Francie Bellew, though without the sadism. Both Malone and Gollogly have matured well into senior player status and Finlay had his most effective role in a while, fitter, making himself available out of defence, making space for himself and delivering the pass.
Without Darren Hughes in midfield we are missing a huge chunk of spine.
Clerkin on for McAdam did not improve matters, possibly weakened us and possibly Kieran Hughes could have been subbed. Overall I'm impressed with the team over the last 2 games, I think we are well on track to do better than last year.
Even though Drew's been exceptional the last couple of years I still feel he's quite underrated through the country. Rarely puts a foot wrong in anything he does.
Agreed that the start of the league shows that we're looking good so far, considering the players that we have to come back in. Hopefully the likes of McKenna and McAnespie can prove to be good options this year up front. Over the last year or so we've had some good additions in defence come through like Ryan Wylie and Conor Boyle, as well as the likes of Kelly coming to the fore, so a few young forwards stepping up aswell would be great to see. A fresh midfielder ready for the county team would also be very welcome, but we've been looking for that a few years now.