The Irish International Rules Team are hosting an open Training Session in the Connacht GAA Centre tomorrow at 7.30pm & on Saturday at 10.30 and all are invited to attend.
Once again the team will be managed by Roscommon native Paul Earley and the event is a good opportunity for supporters to see the players ahead of next month's big game against Australia in Perth.
I always knew the PrentyArena would have its uses :)
Now Jinxy etc can have a month or 6 weeks to see whi can run this thingy down the most. ;D
Open you say.
Will we all rock up with GAABOARD jerseys and see how we go!
I was reading a piece in the paper Monday and it was going through those involved. Mentioned a lot who hadn't attended training yet but they "hoped" they would.
A holiday for the boys down under! There will be good support at the games, as there's heaps of Irish there and they will go no matter how poor the game. Is this the last of the current agreed set of games? Are we playing the indigenous Aussies again? Maybe we could play a team of immigrated Irish at Gaelic football? Sure most of the supporters at the game will be Irish and it would be a way of promoting the game abroad?
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 02, 2014, 07:06:25 PM
A holiday for the boys down under! There will be good support at the games, as there's heaps of Irish there and they will go no matter how poor the game. Is this the last of the current agreed set of games? Are we playing the indigenous Aussies again? Maybe we could play a team of immigrated Irish at Gaelic football? Sure most of the supporters at the game will be Irish and it would be a way of promoting the game abroad?
Not sure if that's a joke or what? It's not Gaelic football they'll be playing, it's a set of mangled together rules from both codes.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 02, 2014, 08:25:53 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 02, 2014, 07:06:25 PM
A holiday for the boys down under! There will be good support at the games, as there's heaps of Irish there and they will go no matter how poor the game. Is this the last of the current agreed set of games? Are we playing the indigenous Aussies again? Maybe we could play a team of immigrated Irish at Gaelic football? Sure most of the supporters at the game will be Irish and it would be a way of promoting the game abroad?
Not sure if that's a joke or what? It's not Gaelic football they'll be playing, it's a set of mangled together rules from both codes.
Sorry Far, read the sentence earlier.
Can't wait.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 02, 2014, 07:06:25 PM
A holiday for the boys down under! There will be good support at the games, as there's heaps of Irish there and they will go no matter how poor the game. Is this the last of the current agreed set of games? Are we playing the indigenous Aussies again? Maybe we could play a team of immigrated Irish at Gaelic football? Sure most of the supporters at the game will be Irish and it would be a way of promoting the game abroad?
I'll go along for a look, the stadium should go close to selling out.
They parked the Indigenous team after the last poor showing. They haven't named a squad yet, but there's a lot of big names being mentioned.
So who is going and who isn't going ?. The Carlton players who are there aren't letting their players participate due to their pre season.
Quote from: orangeman on October 07, 2014, 08:46:22 AM
So who is going and who isn't going ?. The Carlton players who are there aren't letting their players participate due to their pre season.
Won't make it myself
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 07, 2014, 02:17:55 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 07, 2014, 08:46:22 AM
So who is going and who isn't going ?. The Carlton players who are there aren't letting their players participate due to their pre season.
Won't make it myself
Haha, me neither. Unfortunately.
Australia have included nine All Australians in their 24-man squad for next month's International Rules Test against Ireland in Perth.
After last year's humiliation at the hands of the Irish, coach Alastair Clarkson has picked the best of AFL talent available to him.
"It is a unbelievably talented squad which has achieved a lot in AFL football," assistant Ross Lyon told AFL.com.au.
"The selection criteria, the capacity that we looked for was great running power and an ability to adapt quickly to the round ball. There's numerous players who have played in the series before."
Australia Squad: Grant Birchall, Travis Boak, Luke Breust, Patrick Dangerfield, Dustin Fletcher, Nat Fyfe, Brendon Goddard, Robbie Gray, Brent Harvey, Luke Hodge, Kieren Jack, Steve Johnson, Jarrad McVeigh, Sam Mitchell, Leigh Montagna, Nic Naitanui, Nick Riewoldt, Tom Rockliff, Joel Selwood, Brodie Smith, Nick Smith, Harry Taylor, Jobe Watson, Chad Wingard.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 08, 2014, 10:50:20 AM
Australia have included nine All Australians in their 24-man squad for next month's International Rules Test against Ireland in Perth.
After last year's humiliation at the hands of the Irish, coach Alastair Clarkson has picked the best of AFL talent available to him.
"It is a unbelievably talented squad which has achieved a lot in AFL football," assistant Ross Lyon told AFL.com.au.
"The selection criteria, the capacity that we looked for was great running power and an ability to adapt quickly to the round ball. There's numerous players who have played in the series before."
Australia Squad: Grant Birchall, Travis Boak, Luke Breust, Patrick Dangerfield, Dustin Fletcher, Nat Fyfe, Brendon Goddard, Robbie Gray, Brent Harvey, Luke Hodge, Kieren Jack, Steve Johnson, Jarrad McVeigh, Sam Mitchell, Leigh Montagna, Nic Naitanui, Nick Riewoldt, Tom Rockliff, Joel Selwood, Brodie Smith, Nick Smith, Harry Taylor, Jobe Watson, Chad Wingard.
Beat me to it rodney. They have picked nine current All-Australians, but all of the 24 have been AA selected at some stage. Looks like a good squad, plenty of fast, mobile players used to the close ruck work.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-08/cream-of-the-crop
Ireland will do well to compete with these lads. But in a one off game anything is possible.
when is it?
22nd of November http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCcQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F2014_international_rules_test&ei=wBU1VJqaG-Xd7QapyoCwDw&usg=AFQjCNErBxFKi9574zfvP4E0bPPVqRHViA
Quote from: Bingo on October 02, 2014, 05:36:19 PM
Open you say.
Will we all rock up with GAABOARD jerseys and see how we go!
I was reading a piece in the paper Monday and it was going through those involved. Mentioned a lot who hadn't attended training yet but they "hoped" they would.
That was probaly players who are involved with their Clubs.
Dublin's Cian O'Sullivan and Paul Flynn have been ruled out of the International Rules series with hip problems.
O'Sullivan, who trained with the squad a few weeks ago, has undergone surgery to fix a hip problem, while a similar injury means Flynn won't be boarding the flight to Perth either.
Ireland manager Paul Earley is also planning without the Carlton trio of Ciaran Byrne, Zach Tuohy and Ciaran Sheehan, who have pre-season commitments with the Blues, while recently-retired Wicklow star Leighton Glynn is doubtful due to a thumb injury.
Is it available to watch online anyone know for a man in uk
Can't see this being sold out though ya never know. Some of the Perth teams games don't even be sold out. (Dockers and eagles). Live right next to the stadium and undecided whether I'll go or not. How bad the hangover is after a wedding the day before will determine if I go or not.
Will be interesting to see the Ireland team. The Aussies have a lethal team on paper but how it transfers to grass is another story.
If you had to send a team over for 'The Biff' (circa 1984)- who do we pick?
There are bound to be a few ignorant fcukers from Offaly still playing ball.
McKeever? Murphy?
No Tyrone men unfortunately. A couple of Monaghan men could handle themselves.
Quote from: AlriteHorse on October 15, 2014, 03:06:49 PM
Can't see this being sold out though ya never know. Some of the Perth teams games don't even be sold out. (Dockers and eagles). Live right next to the stadium and undecided whether I'll go or not. How bad the hangover is after a wedding the day before will determine if I go or not.
Will be interesting to see the Ireland team. The Aussies have a lethal team on paper but how it transfers to grass is another story.
If you look at the ticketek site, it allows you to pick your tickets using the map - its currently about 2/3 or 3/4 sold
http://www.ticketmaster.com.au/2014-international-rules-australia-v-ireland-subiaco-western-australia-22-11-2014/event/13004CE8B1113240?artistid=1631375&majorcatid=10005&minorcatid=0&tm_link=artist_msg-0_13004CE8B1113240
If he brings any Kildare lads they'll probably seek asylum over there.
On official GAA Twitter today....
Want to see Ireland vs Australia on 22 November? You can with the International Rules Official Irish Supporters Tour: www.justsplit.com/international-rules-australia-2014
for anyone that's interested in following the team to Perth
James O'Donoghue won't be part of the Ireland International Rules squad to face Australia in Perth next month because of a persistent shoulder injury.
There are fears that the Legion clubman, who will pick up his second GAA /GPA All Star in-a-row tomorrow night, may require corrective surgery on the injury which troubled him throughout this season and forced him to miss Kerry's Munster SFC semi-final win over Clare in June.
Ireland manager Paul Earley will name his squad next week with Mayo's Pearse Hanley the only AFL-based player expected to be included.
Are any other Roscommon lads going to be in the squad? And it's Pearce.. Ballagh names aren't that hard to spell right.
When do they fly out? That will affect a few selections with club championships ongoing.
The International Rules is a later date this year to give some lee way for the Club Championship, 22nd of November. It will still affect a few players.
Not sure when they fly out.
Few rule changes this year too, as well as it being just the one test. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-22/irs-changes-favour-home-team
So we're probably lookin at gettin bet this year :(
Is there a panel picked yet ?
Ireland won well in the warm up game, won't be as easy next week
http://t.co/OMDEAos7Ex
IRELAND 100
VFL SELECTION 28
IRELAND'S INTERNATIONAL rules team had its first run-out at Trevor Barker Beach Oval in Sandringham this morning and recorded a comprehensive victory over the Victoria Football League selection, drawn from what is effectively the AFL reserve league.
It will have been a concern for Ireland that their opponents, who gamely kept going until the end actually outscored the visitors 13-11 in the final quarter.
Otherwise it was a useful exercise in blowing the cobwebs out of the system for the GAA team, which has been in training regularly over the past two months but given the nature of the game, hasn't played a match since last year's series.
Ireland started sharply and had four goals scored in the first quarter – Cork's Colm O'Neill hitting a hat-trick with captain Michael Murphy providing the other – to lead convincingly 31-6 at the first break.
Ireland struggled a little at the start with the new rule prohibiting short kick-outs and requiring the ball to travel 45 metres but adapted. There was still some classic Australian marking around the middle with Coburg's Lech Featherstone taking couple of spectacular catches.
Ireland though were sharper up front and turned most of their attacks to account with just one behind – the one-point score, which is equivalent of a narrow wide in Gaelic football – or 14 per cent of their total as opposed to 75 per cent for the VFL, whose kicking betrayed their lack of familiarity with the round ball.
Ireland were missing Monaghan's Conor McManus – last year's Player of the Series and top scorer – who along with fellow international Chrissy McKaigue was involved in today's Ulster club championship semi-final between Clontibret and Slaughtneil but the scores came easily enough.
Five more were added to the first-quarter total – another from O'Neill and Murphy plus contributions from Aidan O'Shea, Pearce Hanley, Ireland's only current AFL players and Seán Cavanagh, who put in an impressively energetic display.
Having led 59-8 at half-time and 89-14 going into the last quarter Ireland began to lose urgency and the home side rallied creditably. Their only goal, pinged in after a sustained attack by Adam Cockie was celebrated like an AFL contract.
Speaking afterwards, manager Paul Earley said that he was happy with the exercise, which was the first warm-up match Ireland have undertaken since the slightly notorious one in Perth 11 years ago when Tipperary's Declan Browne missed out on both tests because of a leg injury picked up in a challenge by WAFL selection player Ashley Prescott.
Earley was keen however to have a practice, as this year's international competition will be decided over just one test next Saturday evening in Perth's Patterson Stadium.
"Yeah, we achieved the objectives we set out to achieve: to get a good run-out; some things we did reasonably well others we can improve on and we've got some work to do in particular areas and we came through without any serious injuries. I think we have a few minor knocks and hopefully they'll clear up ok tomorrow."
IRELAND: Niall Morgan (Tyrone); Kevin McKernan (Down), Neil McGee (Donegal), Ciarán McDonald (Tipperary); Colm Boyle (Mayo), Lee Keegan (Mayo), James McCarthy (Dublin); Aidan Walsh (Cork; vice-captain), Seán Cavanagh (Tyrone); Cathal Cregg (Roscommon), Colm Begley (Laois); Pearce Hanley (Brisbane Lions and Mayo ); Colm O'Neill (Cork), Michael Murphy (Donegal; capt.), Ross Munnelly (Laois).
Inter-change: Matthew Donnelly (Tyrone), Finian Hanley (Galway), Darren Hughes (Monaghan), Kevin McLoughlin (Mayo), David Moran (Kerry), Pádraig O'Neill (Kildare), Paddy O'Rourke (Meath), Aidan O'Shea (Mayo).
Scorers: C O'Neill 30 (4-1-3), M Murphy 19 (2-1-4), A O'Shea 16 pts (1-3-1), C Cregg 9 (0-3-0), S Cavanagh 9 (1-1-0), P Hanley 6 (1-0-0), R Munnelly 5 (0-1-2), C Boyle 3 (0-1-0), D Hughes 1 (0-0-1), D Moran 1 (0-0-1), M Donnellly 1 (0-0-1).
VFL: Evan Panozza (vice-capt.); Tom O'Sullivan, Thomas Paule, Tom Gribble; Adam Marcon, Luke Tynan, Jye Bolton; Ben Jolley (capt.), Adam Cockie; Myke Cook, Nicholas Newman, Scott Clouston; Lech Featherstone, James Magner, Toby Pinwill (vice-capt.).
Inter-change: Adam Saad, Scott Sherlock; Ben Cavarra, Cameron Lockwood, Nick Rippon; Ben Smithwick, Bede Mahon, Jackson Geary, Ben Davies, Jake Owen,.
Scorers: A Cockie 9 (1-1-0); L Featherstone (0-1-1); S Clouston 4 (0-1-1); J Bolton 3 (0-1-0); T Pinwill 3 (0-1-0); N Rippon 1 (0-0-1); T O'Sullivan 1 (0-0-1); J Owen 1 (0-0-1), B Davies 1 (0-0-1).
Is the game on tv this Saturday?
Quote from: Ed Hardy on November 18, 2014, 07:25:54 AM
Is the game on tv this Saturday?
Aye, it's on TG4 on Saturday..coverage starts at 9.15am.
Better get th'oul telly set up in the bedroom so :D
Pearce couldn't keep up with the scoring of his fellow Ballagh man. Always next time.
Fekkit, my main man Fyfe got injured and will miss the game. Ah well, better get the man right for next season.
Kickouts beyond the 45? What happens if it drops short? And what happens if you're kicking into a gale force wind?
For once I'm actually looking forward to this.
I'm not a massive fan of the game itself but the fact the Aussies have their best players available it will give us a good insight into the difference in physicality and fitness. Ireland should be big underdogs for this.
Can you get TG4 online?
I've just found out I have to watch on Saturday. The young lad is going to it, so her indoors insists we watch in case we see him in the crowd.
Look out for him. He'll be the one NOT wearing the stupid leprechaun hat-beard.
Quote from: Hardy on November 20, 2014, 11:11:11 AM
I've just found out I have to watch on Saturday. The young lad is going to it, so her indoors insists we watch in case we see him in the crowd.
Look out for him. He'll be the one NOT wearing the stupid leprechaun hat-beard.
You won't need to give him a slap when he gets home then.
Quote from: Hardy on November 20, 2014, 11:11:11 AM
I've just found out I have to watch on Saturday. The young lad is going to it, so her indoors insists we watch in case we see him in the crowd.
Look out for him. He'll be the one NOT wearing the stupid leprechaun hat-beard.
You should get her 'skype' for Christmas Hardy.
Met the squad last night at a function. Thought I woulda seen Aerlik knocking around but no luck. Where have ye been hiding?
Anyway, Marty Morrisey was there and tried to get the audience to say 4 or 5 different phrases promoting GAAgo. Needless to say, it didn't work too well.
There will be an exhibition gaelic game before the Main event with members from all clubs represented across two teams. Looking forward to a runout on Patersons/Subiaco Stadium. Seems to be a large crowd expected.
I think the kickout over the 45 rule is an absolute clinker and will encourage aerial contests again. If it works well they should introduce it into our game. High fielding has basically disappeared except for Donaghy and Neil Gallagher.
A great high catch is better than any score in my opinion. . .
(http://www.gaelicart.com/media/uploads/Willie%20Joe%20Padden%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20GA%20108.jpg)
Quote from: screenexile on November 20, 2014, 12:20:55 PM
I think the kickout over the 45 rule is an absolute clinker and will encourage aerial contests again. If it works well they should introduce it into our game. High fielding has basically disappeared except for Donaghy and Neil Gallagher.
A great high catch is better than any score in my opinion. . .
(http://www.gaelicart.com/media/uploads/Willie%20Joe%20Padden%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20GA%20108.jpg)
+1 :D
My heart sinks everytime (in club or county) when someone makes a brilliant field and then when he lands he's hounded into submission and the ref gives a free against. :(
Guys sorry if this has been stated but ive just worked out its on TG4 but what time will it be on at considering the time difference?
Someone mentiioned coverage at 9.15am
Quote from: screenexile on November 20, 2014, 12:20:55 PM
I think the kickout over the 45 rule is an absolute clinker and will encourage aerial contests again. If it works well they should introduce it into our game. High fielding has basically disappeared except for Donaghy and Neil Gallagher.
A great high catch is better than any score in my opinion. . .
Dunno there are a couple of others in the squad who can make a fetch (Aidan Walsh is another), although the Aussies are masters of the spectacular catch.
(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fts4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DHN.607985980129808375%26pid%3D15.1&f=1)
Quote from: Hardy on November 20, 2014, 11:11:11 AM
Look out for him. He'll be the one NOT wearing the stupid leprechaun hat-beard.
Ya reared him well buck :D
Is there a more stupid sight anywhere than that of an adult male or female wearing those stupid things or indeed the Guinness ones without the beard.
Talk about perpetuating a stupide ill informed Yankee stereotype....... :(
Quote from: Rossfan on November 20, 2014, 05:00:02 PM
Quote from: Hardy on November 20, 2014, 11:11:11 AM
Look out for him. He'll be the one NOT wearing the stupid leprechaun hat-beard.
Ya reared him well buck :D
Is there a more stupid sight anywhere than that of an adult male or female wearing those stupid things or indeed the Guinness ones without the beard.
Talk about perpetuating a stupide ill informed Yankee stereotype....... :(
+1
Anyone who wears such items needs a good kicking.
Quote from: WT4E on November 20, 2014, 01:17:11 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 20, 2014, 12:20:55 PM
I think the kickout over the 45 rule is an absolute clinker and will encourage aerial contests again. If it works well they should introduce it into our game. High fielding has basically disappeared except for Donaghy and Neil Gallagher.
A great high catch is better than any score in my opinion. . .
(http://www.gaelicart.com/media/uploads/Willie%20Joe%20Padden%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20GA%20108.jpg)
+1 :D
My heart sinks everytime (in club or county) when someone makes a brilliant field and then when he lands he's hounded into submission and the ref gives a free against. :(
High fielding is a dying art and great to see executed well, but I don't agree with bringing it in to Gaelic football. Like I said before, what happens if you're kicking into a gale?
Having to kick past 45, will mean bigger midfielders, meaning they'll be crowded out by a swarm. Then they'll moan about that, and bring in the mark. And so on and so forth...
I don't know why they can't leave the rules alone. Any more changes and we may as well just play Aussie Rules. You can't keep tampering just because one team finds a different way of playing.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 20, 2014, 07:36:13 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 20, 2014, 01:17:11 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 20, 2014, 12:20:55 PM
I think the kickout over the 45 rule is an absolute clinker and will encourage aerial contests again. If it works well they should introduce it into our game. High fielding has basically disappeared except for Donaghy and Neil Gallagher.
A great high catch is better than any score in my opinion. . .
(http://www.gaelicart.com/media/uploads/Willie%20Joe%20Padden%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20GA%20108.jpg)
+1 :D
My heart sinks everytime (in club or county) when someone makes a brilliant field and then when he lands he's hounded into submission and the ref gives a free against. :(
High fielding is a dying art and great to see executed well, but I don't agree with bringing it in to Gaelic football. Like I said before, what happens if you're kicking into a gale?
Having to kick past 45, will mean bigger midfielders, meaning they'll be crowded out by a swarm. Then they'll moan about that, and bring in the mark. And so on and so forth...
I don't know why they can't leave the rules alone. Any more changes and we may as well just play Aussie Rules. You can't keep tampering just because one team finds a different way of playing.
There is nothing wrong with the bloody game. Its a fantastic sport played in a myriad of contrasting styles and aside from Donegal it has become a fascinating tactical battle as most teams try to win matches in conjunction with the appropriate amount of defensive structure.
Obviously Donegal are an exception to that but maybe Gallagher will move them out of Mordor and take the path following Aragon into the Promised Land.
sure why dont they lie down to the `Dubs next time around...
If its on that early in the morning I might as well stick it on.Assuming its not blocked in the UK.
I'm that starved of GAA I'll take a look at this. Could be the last one ever and the Aussies might like to make a final statement of their superiority.
I've really been put off by the new rules introduced such as the "no tacking while the ball is on the ground" which I really hope is no longer in play.
So if the Aussies have a strong team out, then the 1/2 odds on them winning the series is an absolute steal.
Tomorrow's International Rules Test at Paterson's Stadium in Perth has sold out.
It means that 43,500 spectators will pack into the home of AFL sides West Coast Eagles and Fremantle Dockers for the one-off match.
Speaking yesterday, AFL media relations manager Patrick Keane said: "By the time we usually get to the week of the match we'd normally be trying to sell 5,000 or 10,000 tickets, but we've had a really intensive campaign over the last two or three weeks.
"They (the players) have been in Perth radio, newspapers and TV. We haven't really done too much marketing in other parts of Australia. We've really focused just on here."
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=227970
Quote from: INDIANA on November 20, 2014, 08:09:42 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 20, 2014, 07:36:13 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 20, 2014, 01:17:11 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 20, 2014, 12:20:55 PM
I think the kickout over the 45 rule is an absolute clinker and will encourage aerial contests again. If it works well they should introduce it into our game. High fielding has basically disappeared except for Donaghy and Neil Gallagher.
A great high catch is better than any score in my opinion. . .
(http://www.gaelicart.com/media/uploads/Willie%20Joe%20Padden%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20GA%20108.jpg)
+1 :D
My heart sinks everytime (in club or county) when someone makes a brilliant field and then when he lands he's hounded into submission and the ref gives a free against. :(
High fielding is a dying art and great to see executed well, but I don't agree with bringing it in to Gaelic football. Like I said before, what happens if you're kicking into a gale?
Having to kick past 45, will mean bigger midfielders, meaning they'll be crowded out by a swarm. Then they'll moan about that, and bring in the mark. And so on and so forth...
I don't know why they can't leave the rules alone. Any more changes and we may as well just play Aussie Rules. You can't keep tampering just because one team finds a different way of playing.
There is nothing wrong with the bloody game. Its a fantastic sport played in a myriad of contrasting styles and aside from Donegal it has become a fascinating tactical battle as most teams try to win matches in conjunction with the appropriate amount of defensive structure.
Obviously Donegal are an exception to that but maybe Gallagher will move them out of Mordor and take the path following Aragon into the Promised Land.
Were you watching 'LOTR' and 'Exodus' over the weekend Indy? :D
(http://www.tg4.ie/assets/images/live-sports/ls-231114-en.jpg)
Hopefully it's a good clean game
(http://tyronetribulations.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/disgrace-jason-akermanis-of-australia-goes-to-punch-peter-canavan-of-ireland.jpeg)
Best of luck to Paul and Cathal and the lads tomorrow.
With 2 Rosmen in the camp Ireland can't go wrong.
Tg4 blocking this in Britain for some reason.
Any other ways of watching this?
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Ireland have a good side out - they've prepared well, the Australians have all their big players playing this time round, the rules have been bent to suit them.
Ireland to prevail. Australians to win the boxing.
I thought this was on gaago I cant find it for some reason.
Does anyone know if its on gaago or not
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@naughton_adrian Hi Adrian, we won't be showing it but you can watch the game thanks to our partners on http://watchafl.afl.com.au
Australia have gone for height :o
Australia 3 Ireland 0
Australia 6 Ireland 0
Australia 9 Ireland 0
Australia 9 Ireland 1
C O'Neill
Colm brought the wrong boots today ? Hopefully he changes them soon.
Australia 12 Ireland 1
Aussies better at kicking the ball then us. Says a lot about senior inter county football
Australia are a different prospect this time!
Australia 15 Ireland 1
Australia 18 Ireland 1
Australia 19 Ireland 1
embarrassing
Can someone do a head count please?
Australia 22 Ireland 1
In line for a hammering. We won't see this game ever played again after this
Different prospect is right.
Can we get a quick change of rules to even this up ? Like as in half time change :)
Good call by Marty Duffy gifting is 3 points
Australia 22 Ireland 4
M Murphy
Australia 22 Ireland 4
Break
Kicking rules benefitting the Aussies. I get the impression they insisted on certain changes or else they would have taken the hump and not played.
The pressure on the Irish players all over the pitch especially in forwards is incredible. Let's hope the Australians run out of gas or decide to take it easy on us. This could be end up a massacre.
Watching on an Aussie stream because I can't get tg4.
The commentators about Murphy:
"You could see him slotting into an AFL team, but he loves his ma's potatoes"
Australia 22 Ireland 4
Back on
Quote from: BennyCake on November 22, 2014, 10:09:32 AM
Kicking rules benefitting the Aussies. I get the impression they insisted on certain changes or else they would have taken the hump and not played.
we've kicked 4 wides? I'd do better at my age. You couldn't fail not to get one point the goals are so big.
Australia 22 Ireland 5
D Moran
Australia 25 Ireland 5
Need some man to put the row up here.
Australia 25 Ireland 5
Jaysis
Quote from: INDIANA on November 22, 2014, 10:13:08 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 22, 2014, 10:09:32 AM
Kicking rules benefitting the Aussies. I get the impression they insisted on certain changes or else they would have taken the hump and not played.
we've kicked 4 wides? I'd do better at my age. You couldn't fail not to get one point the goals are so big.
Hmmmm.
Indy is right.
f**k me pink!!
another pathetic effort by aidan O Shea. I mean they'll be showing repeats of that on what happened next for year
Quote from: INDIANA on November 22, 2014, 10:13:08 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 22, 2014, 10:09:32 AM
Kicking rules benefitting the Aussies. I get the impression they insisted on certain changes or else they would have taken the hump and not played.
we've kicked 4 wides? I'd do better at my age. You couldn't fail not to get one point the goals are so big.
I meant kickouts (beyond the 50).
Quote from: INDIANA on November 22, 2014, 10:17:25 AM
another pathetic effort by aidan O Shea. I mean they'll be showing repeats of that on what happened next for year
:)
Australia 28 Ireland 5
Australia 28 Ireland 6
P Hanley
I know it's Aussies best team and rules favour them but our basic kicking and passing instinct has deserted us... not to mention fecking shooting! point in 30 mins football is pathetic it'snot as if the Aussies are playing a blanket defence!!
Australia 28 Ireland 7
P Hanley
Australia 31 Ireland 7
Australia 31 Ireland 7
Dithering
Quote from: screenexile on November 22, 2014, 10:23:49 AM
I know it's Aussies best team and rules favour them but our basic kicking and passing instinct has deserted us... not to mention fecking shooting! point in 30 mins football is pathetic it'snot as if the Aussies are playing a blanket defence!!
fully agree. The players should be made swim home. Obviously just over for a piss up
Get O'Se off to f**k he's a headless chicken!!!
AOS has missed 9 points now.
Australia 34 Ireland 7
Australia 35 Ireland 7
Ireland win a free, the Aussies push right up stealing about 5 yards. Aussies win a free, Ireland drop off totally, no pressure on kick. And has anyone told them they can't play the ball when on the ground.
Last years Aussie team didn't look as bad as Ireland do today.
Australia 35 Ireland 7
A longer break
Australia are playing far smarter football
Think some of our lads are a bit afraid too - so there obv is a feeling on the pitch that the Aussies are way bigger and stronger - so the game is lost before the end of the first quarter !
McCarthy to be fair to him didn't back down there at all
Tactically being destroyed here too
Embarrassing stuff
Phew. What a move by the Aussies.
Mc Gee complaining to the ref - about what ?.
On the bright side Marty is doing his best for us.
That half goal chance sums up Ireland's problem.
Their instinct is not to expect a rugby tackle. As soon as they get close they bring you down. We still think jockey the man and don't dive in or give away a free. Our kicking is a bloody disgrace. Aidan O'Shea's close in free was a prime example.
Can you imagine travelling all the way from the East coast to Perth to watch that performance.
It's like watching the Dubs play Carlow in Leinster. Half the crowd will stay in the bar for the second half.
BTW normally I like watching this sport but thankfully I don't know any Aussies in Dublin any more.
Hopefully we hammer them in the rugby.
Is anybody actually bothered by the result? Its a trip away for the players (and officials and hacks milk it as well) which is good recognition for them but I couldn't give 2 fcuks who wins it. I severely doubt if many in the crowd will be too devastated at the result either. The reality is that without the dust ups it is not a very appealing game.
I had Australia -50. Looking good.
Looks like we never played with a round ball before. Embarrassing.
Half time, right so its time for expert analysis, where is Syferus? We need a serious hyping up session of how marvelous his Mayo idols are and of course the bearded magician that is Cregger, lets hear your insightful thoughts?
Pure pish. 0-11 to 0-1 in gaelic scoring, that's woeful. We need to be far quicker on the ball and no messing around like O'Shea when there was a sight of goal. When it's the other way around the Aussies take us down straight away. And even when we do get to get a shot off the accuracy is terrible.
I'm not too bothered about this these days but it would be nice to put up some sort of a fight all the same.
Quote from: Fuzzman on November 22, 2014, 10:35:08 AM
That half goal chance sums up Ireland's problem.
Their instinct is not to expect a rugby tackle. As soon as they get close they bring you down. We still think jockey the man and don't dive in or give away a free. Our kicking is a bloody disgrace. Aidan O'Shea's close in free was a prime example.
Can you imagine travelling all the way from the East coast to Perth to watch that performance.
It's like watching the Dubs play Carlow in Leinster. Half the crowd will stay in the bar for the second half.
BTW normally I like watching this sport but thankfully I don't know any Aussies in Dublin any more.
Hopefully we hammer them in the rugby.
As far as I can see this is basically Aussie Rules with a round ball in terms of tactics and approach.
For the Irish players it's an entirely different game especially in terms of tactics; but for the Aussies the only difference is the round ball replaces the oval.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 22, 2014, 10:37:47 AM
Is anybody actually bothered by the result? Its a trip away for the players (and officials and hacks milk it as well) which is good recognition for them but I couldn't give 2 fcuks who wins it. I severely doubt if many in the crowd will be too devastated at the result either. The reality is that without the dust ups it is not a very appealing game.
Hang on they are getting a free junket at our expense. And that's what they dish up? I wouldn't tolerate that performance from a Junior B Team. Our lads are kicking a ball since they were 5- the aussies have been for 2 weeks and they are better then us at it.
We can't even handpass the ball
All is going to plan i'd say. With a cup on the table the mayo players are doing exactly what they always do..
Worst irish team ever?
The Australians didn't appreciate the beating we gave to the indigenous team last year. :'(
Thankfully there's only one game and not 2/3.
Have to think that this will completely kill the series dead - really can't see many lads wanting to face the Aussies in the future, especially if there is no trip to Oz on offer.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 22, 2014, 10:42:29 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 22, 2014, 10:37:47 AM
Is anybody actually bothered by the result? Its a trip away for the players (and officials and hacks milk it as well) which is good recognition for them but I couldn't give 2 fcuks who wins it. I severely doubt if many in the crowd will be too devastated at the result either. The reality is that without the dust ups it is not a very appealing game.
Hang on they are getting a free junket at our expense. And that's what they dish up? I wouldn't tolerate that performance from a Junior B Team. Our lads are kicking a ball since they were 5- the aussies have been for 2 weeks and they are better then us at it.
We can't even handpass the ball
Indy you'll find that the trip is at least cost neutral. ;)
Australia 35 Ireland 7
Back on
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 22, 2014, 10:40:18 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on November 22, 2014, 10:35:08 AM
That half goal chance sums up Ireland's problem.
Their instinct is not to expect a rugby tackle. As soon as they get close they bring you down. We still think jockey the man and don't dive in or give away a free. Our kicking is a bloody disgrace. Aidan O'Shea's close in free was a prime example.
Can you imagine travelling all the way from the East coast to Perth to watch that performance.
It's like watching the Dubs play Carlow in Leinster. Half the crowd will stay in the bar for the second half.
BTW normally I like watching this sport but thankfully I don't know any Aussies in Dublin any more.
Hopefully we hammer them in the rugby.
As far as I can see this is basically Aussie Rules with a round ball in terms of tactics and approach.
For the Irish players it's an entirely different game especially in terms of tactics; but for the Aussies the only difference is the round ball replaces the oval.
I don't agree with that at all. Its still far more difficult to execute AFL with a round ball.
The tactics are very poor - we didn't flood midfield early on. We missed some easy frees - Colm O Neill had two woeful efforts. Aidan O Se the same. He butchered a five man overlap- that is nothing to to do with the rules. Ciaram Mc Donald the same.
I wouldn't give the Irish any leeway for an excuse when the execution of basic skills is so so poor.
Stat from Twitter
Australia have kicked the ball 84 times. We've kicked it 58.
In the first quarter it looked like the only competition on the pitch was the 'ref off'
The two lads were seemingly doing their best to gift decisions to their own country's team!
Though the Aussie ref has started to be a wee more consistent. Then I suppose the Aussies don't need any help !
Australia 35 Ireland 8
L Keegan
Australia 38 Ireland 8
Australia 41 Ireland 8
Australia 41 Ireland 14
D Hughes - Cúl
So much space for the Aussies up front. They're taking shots under little or no pressure at all.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 22, 2014, 10:46:32 AM
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 22, 2014, 10:40:18 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on November 22, 2014, 10:35:08 AM
That half goal chance sums up Ireland's problem.
Their instinct is not to expect a rugby tackle. As soon as they get close they bring you down. We still think jockey the man and don't dive in or give away a free. Our kicking is a bloody disgrace. Aidan O'Shea's close in free was a prime example.
Can you imagine travelling all the way from the East coast to Perth to watch that performance.
It's like watching the Dubs play Carlow in Leinster. Half the crowd will stay in the bar for the second half.
BTW normally I like watching this sport but thankfully I don't know any Aussies in Dublin any more.
Hopefully we hammer them in the rugby.
As far as I can see this is basically Aussie Rules with a round ball in terms of tactics and approach.
For the Irish players it's an entirely different game especially in terms of tactics; but for the Aussies the only difference is the round ball replaces the oval.
I don't agree with that at all. Its still far more difficult to execute AFL with a round ball.
The tactics are very poor - we didn't flood midfield early on. We missed some easy frees - Colm O Neill had two woeful efforts. Aidan O Se the same. He butchered a five man overlap- that is nothing to to do with the rules. Ciaram Mc Donald the same.
I wouldn't give the Irish any leeway for an excuse when the execution of basic skills is so so poor.
Oh yeah - I'd agree about some awful performances out there (a real lack of game intelligence being displayed by a fair few big names) in terms of the basic skills.
You'd have to wonder if Paul Earley will ever be given a role with a football team ever again after this
Australia 42 Ireland 14
Australia 42 Ireland 17
C McManus
Australia 42 Ireland 20
M Donnelly
Australia 42 Ireland 23
C McManus
Finally!
Australia 42 Ireland 26
M Donnelly
Refs making a game of it.
Ireland doing much better to be fair.
Australia 43 Ireland 26
Australia 43 Ireland 27
P Hanley
Australia 43 Ireland 30
K McKernan
Ireland winning the championship quarter easily.
Aussies looking for an end to this quarter.
Australia 46 Ireland 30
Unreal the difference Mc Manus and Donnelly have made.
Australia 46 Ireland 30
Break
That's face saved, no matter what happens now.
Much better there... getting the ball and attacking at pace. We've done well at the kickouts which is where I thought we'd struggle but rather than winning the ball and passing back as we were doing we've driven forward and caused havoc that quarter.
The equivalent of 6 points down a goal would make a real difference for the last quarter.
Quote from: ONeill on November 22, 2014, 11:07:06 AM
That's face saved, no matter what happens now.
Agreed
Australia 46 Ireland 30
Back on
Australia 46 Ireland 33
C Begley
Australia 46 Ireland 33
Ach Hughesy
All the complaining about the Ulster championship. It seems to have helped the Ulster lads adapt here
Australia 49 Ireland 33
Australia 50 Ireland 33
Australia 53 Ireland 33
There's a wee man shouting out the consecutive passes.
Australia 53 Ireland 36
C McManus
Ireland visably better with fewer mayo guys playing
Australia 53 Ireland 36
Two wides in a row from close in for Ireland
Getting dark there
Australia 53 Ireland 37
S Cavanagh
Followed by another wide (K McKernan)
Serious waste this quarter we could have gotten back into that!
Australia 56 Ireland 37
The awful shooting and decision making has crept back in.
Aussies useless :)
Australia 56 Ireland 43
Some sort of own goal by N Smith
Australia 56 Ireland 46
C McManus
Australia 56 Ireland 46
Sin é
See how these went.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3CSTToCYAAZ8Pu.jpg)
That was alright . . .
Who's going next year lads??!!
Quote from: lawnseed on November 22, 2014, 11:21:08 AM
Ireland visably better with fewer mayo guys playing
f**k off
Ireland can learn how to win.. Last year we sorry for winning.. Had mcmanus been on instead of that clown o shea we had it
Enjoyed that more than I thought, Murphy looked seriously out of sorts
great third quarter, we finally figured out how to attach with pace and not give the aussies time to react. Overall it was enjoyable. Im a bit upset to have to pay $10 when i thought it was free with a GAAGO annual subscription.
Is this enough to keep the series alive? Probably for another year. The big question is what kind of a team will Australia send over next year..
Once most of the Mayo players vacated the scene and we got the warriors in Donnelly,Mc Manus, Hughes and Co on things improved immeasurably.
The tactics were a disaster early on and the management have to take the flak for it. But it's no game for the Colm O Neill's of this world. As brilliant a gaelic footballer he is he's not suited to this.
Mc manus was exceptional when he came on. Changed the game.
Saved face and if the Aussies bring a full whack over next year for one test then its worth persevering with.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 22, 2014, 11:45:18 AM
Once most of the Mayo players vacated the scene and we got the warriors in Donnelly,Mc Manus, Hughes and Co on things improved immeasurably.
The tactics were a disaster early on and the management have to take the flak for it. But it's no game for the Colm O Neill's of this world. As brilliant a gaelic footballer he is he's not suited to this.
Mc manus was exceptional when he came on. Changed the game.
Saved face and if the Aussies bring a full whack over next year for one test then its worth persevering with.
And you too. Lazy and insulting.
Jeez Indiana but you are an ignorant oaf.I know you like to give the impression that you know something about sport but I doubt you ever kicked a ball in your life.I also know you do not like Mayo people but slagging off amateur players is the height of ignorance.And by the way there were still 3 Mayo players on when Ireland made there comeback
Murphy was disappointing. Did very little. That goal chance, I would've put my house on him scoring it.
Only saw 2nd half and thought it was ok . Rule tweaks have improved game imo. Made it fairer for the Australians. Wouldn't have rated the "game" in the past.
Great to see so many Irish at the game and hope they enjoyed themselves. Plenty of Dublin jerseys in the crowd .
Easy to see the difference in speed , fitness, strength between professional athletes and our guys.
Feck it, just realised McManus was the top Irish scorer. Meant to stick a few quid on him, great odds even after his scoring last year. Well done to him for winning the Irish player of the series award too, showed up well in the second half. He had a hectic build up aswell with the late flight out etc.
Quote from: Schkite on November 22, 2014, 12:16:33 PM
Feck it, just realised McManus was the top Irish scorer. Meant to stick a few quid on him, great odds even after his scoring last year. Well done to him for winning the Irish player of the series award too, showed up well in the second half. He had a hectic build up aswell with the late flight out etc.
He took a few lovely marks too. Played very well.
How does Ross Mullenley keep making these teams
This picking Mayo players thingy has to stop. It's killing the series.
Quote from: ONeill on November 22, 2014, 12:48:26 PM
This picking Mayo players thingy has to stop. It's killing the series.
Either pick Ciaran McDonald or pick none at all.
Quote from: ONeill on November 22, 2014, 12:48:26 PM
This picking Mayo players thingy has to stop. It's killing the series.
Have to agree. Disgrace these lads give their time to this Mickey Mouse game! The game is a nice '
pretend its important game' for some players who don't get to play in big games anymore! ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2014, 01:17:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 22, 2014, 12:48:26 PM
This picking Mayo players thingy has to stop. It's killing the series.
Have to agree. Disgrace these lads give their time to this Mickey Mouse game! The game is a nice 'pretend its important game' for some players who don't get to play in big games anymore! ;D
Like Lee Keegan?
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2014, 01:22:58 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2014, 01:17:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 22, 2014, 12:48:26 PM
This picking Mayo players thingy has to stop. It's killing the series.
Have to agree. Disgrace these lads give their time to this Mickey Mouse game! The game is a nice 'pretend its important game' for some players who don't get to play in big games anymore! ;D
Like Lee Keegan?
No! and i was not replying to you! Butt out!
Shocking skill levels from the Irish players. 0-17-5 to 2-9-7......hard to believe the Aussies far better at putting the ball over the bar after a couple of weeks practice.
Tactically found wanting in the first half, the Aussies had dear more time and space on the ball and didn't panic, we were the opposite, obviously the second half we got going but it was too late.
Murphy & O'Shea have obviously been criticised a lot but surprised nobody has mentioned Pierce Hanley considering the hype that appears to surround him, he was very poor.
Some terrible shooting by the Irish, not even getting a 1 pointer with a few shots.
Murphy was very subdued for the captain of the team, agree about Hanley did very little.. Australia were impressive, but not a surprise when it was one of their strongest ever teams .
Quote from: maigheo on November 22, 2014, 11:58:55 AM
Jeez Indiana but you are an ignorant oaf.I know you like to give the impression that you know something about sport but I doubt you ever kicked a ball in your life.I also know you do not like Mayo people but slagging off amateur players is the height of ignorance.And by the way there were still 3 Mayo players on when Ireland made there comeback
In contrast to the Mayo lads I've actually got a Celtic cross . If that constitutes being an oaf then I'm sure it's got to be a badge of honour.
My analysis was not based on them as gaelic footballers but as suited to international rules. Aidan o se , Keegan , colm o neill just aren't suited to it . You need players who are capable of playing in 3-4 positions who have the athleticism to go with it. Plus two shooters up front .
The vast majority of gaelic footballers including many dublin players aren't suited to that game. I believe it's a very finite crew and they are not always the most skilful players around
So before tiu go around calling people oafs make the emotion out of it and analyse the game properly.
Had a look on the BigFooty forum out of interest to see the Aussie view and they linked to this thread!
They seem amused with the Mayo bashing:
"These "Mayo" players are getting a bit of a hiding"
"Get a seasoned Goalkeeper from a local semi pro soccer team and field an Irish team not full of these supposed 'Mayo' guys and it would be quite the spectacle."
Quote from: INDIANA on November 22, 2014, 01:49:53 PM
Quote from: maigheo on November 22, 2014, 11:58:55 AM
Jeez Indiana but you are an ignorant oaf.I know you like to give the impression that you know something about sport but I doubt you ever kicked a ball in your life.I also know you do not like Mayo people but slagging off amateur players is the height of ignorance.And by the way there were still 3 Mayo players on when Ireland made there comeback
In contrast to the Mayo lads I've actually got a Celtic cross . If that constitutes being an oaf then I'm sure it's got to be a badge of honour.
My analysis was not based on them as gaelic footballers but as suited to international rules. Aidan o se , Keegan , colm o neill just aren't suited to it . You need players who are capable of playing in 3-4 positions who have the athleticism to go with it. Plus two shooters up front .
The vast majority of gaelic footballers including many dublin players aren't suited to that game. I believe it's a very finite crew and they are not always the most skilful players around
So before tiu go around calling people oafs make the emotion out of it and analyse the game properly.
Nicking one doesn't count.
And Boyle has one.
I don't see how Colm Begley is picked for these games. He kicked a number of frees which were intercepted by a man standing in front of him...
Quote from: Schkite on November 22, 2014, 12:16:33 PM
Feck it, just realised McManus was the top Irish scorer. Meant to stick a few quid on him, great odds even after his scoring last year. Well done to him for winning the Irish player of the series award too, showed up well in the second half. He had a hectic build up aswell with the late flight out etc.
He done very well for a fella that flew out on Monday, it's a pity the other Irish forwards weren't on form too.
Connolly, Paul Flynn, and Kieran Donaghy would have been useful players to have in there only for Club commitments.
>:( >:(
Just home from the game with Mini-me and it is hard for a father to listen to the teasing of his 13 yo son after his team lost. I've been away too long to know all the Irish players enough to comment/criticise but I will say that highlight was the Mexican wave.
Don't think our most suitable players want to or are unable to devote the time to prepare and travel for this stuff. Not to mention those who are involved in Club/Provincial Championship games. McManus was brilliant and is always consistently good
Quote from: Real Talk on November 22, 2014, 02:09:29 PM
Don't think our most suitable players want to or are unable to devote the time to prepare and travel for this stuff. Not to mention those who are involved in Club/Provincial Championship games. McManus was brilliant and is always consistently good
It's not Gaelic Football. A lot of rubbish in social media circles saying we should get the All stars etc out for this. We had several all-stars today including Michael murphy and they just aren't suited to it. A lot of them don't have the mobility for it.
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2014, 01:22:58 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2014, 01:17:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 22, 2014, 12:48:26 PM
This picking Mayo players thingy has to stop. It's killing the series.
Have to agree. Disgrace these lads give their time to this Mickey Mouse game! The game is a nice 'pretend its important game' for some players who don't get to play in big games anymore! ;D
Like Lee Keegan?
Give us your opinion on how the mighty Cregger did if you have something to say? Whats that, ah the sound of silence, I suppose even for you its hard to hype up someone who I think touched the ball once or twice, just crawl back under your rock until the fbd starts again and then all these thorough bred rossies will be the greatest of the greatest again, what a tool you really are.
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 22, 2014, 01:44:47 PM
Some terrible shooting by the Irish, not even getting a 1 pointer with a few shots.
The orgies of handpassing and throwing the ball over the bar has left us with some leading inter Co players who simply have no kicking accuracy whatsoever.
I think O'Shea certainly deserves a medal for the widest shot ever ;D
Cathal Cregg totally unsuited to this game and unfortunately was as bad as i expected.
And would ye rhubarbs lave poor Syferushín alone.
It is a different type of game compared to Gaelic football and is more suited to big strong players who have speed, we have alot of big and strong players playing Gaelic but its the speed factor which makes the different, How many mobile big men are there in the country, would seamus O`Shea speed not be more suitbale than his brothers high fielding, would MD Macauley not be more suited than big Moran, again a big fielder but not as speedy. Its a horses for course type of game, the grimley twins used to run riot at this type of game as they where actually physically bigger than the Aussie but never stood out at the Gaelic football.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 22, 2014, 02:50:41 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 22, 2014, 01:44:47 PM
Some terrible shooting by the Irish, not even getting a 1 pointer with a few shots.
The orgies of handpassing and throwing the ball over the bar has left us with some leading inter Co players who simply have no kicking accuracy whatsoever.lti
I think O'Shea certainly deserves a medal for the widest shot ever ;D
Cathal Cregg totally unsuited to this game and unfortunately was as bad as i expected.
And would ye rhubarbs lave poor Syferushín alone.
I Wouldn't necessarily agree. Earley didn't pick a good squad. You have to forget about Gaelic Football.
Multi adaptable players who are comfortable in defence and attack should form the basis of the squad with a few shooters.
We picked a lot of skillful forwards and slow midfielders.
The dye was cast before they left Ireland
Quote from: lawnseed on November 22, 2014, 10:42:56 AM
All is going to plan i'd say. With a cup on the table the mayo players are doing exactly what they always do..
Worst irish team ever?
Sounds like someone's sister has been riding Mayo men all around her and poor lawnseed is jealous ;D
Poor kick passing from Ireland all over the pitch. Improved massively in the second half, Donnelly was the best irish player I thought. McManus and O'Rourke good too. McLoughlin played better in the second half and was involved in a lot of good moves - like the rest of the irish players, he realised that you can't just pick up the ball when surrounded by Aussies. Would have expected a lot more from Hanley.
Looking at the disparity in fitness levels - I think the gaa being "professional in everything but name" was well shown up today.
Should quell the pay for play brigade.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 22, 2014, 03:58:14 PM
Looking at the disparity in fitness levels - I think the gaa being "professional in everything but name" was well shown up today.
Should quell the pay for play brigade.
Did you watch the game?? Ireland finished much stronger :o
I didn't see the game, why's everyone having a go at the Mayo lads?
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 22, 2014, 03:34:38 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on November 22, 2014, 10:42:56 AM
All is going to plan i'd say. With a cup on the table the mayo players are doing exactly what they always do..
Worst irish team ever?
Sounds like someone's sister has been riding Mayo men all around her and poor lawnseed is jealous ;D
I agree with indy. The outcome of this game was decided when early got the job. The gaa didnt want to win this game. It was austrailia's turn. The mayo players were there to garantee that ireland would be beat.. And hey wadda you know they nearly kept ireland scoreless even from 25 meters
Tommy Walsh has played 5 games in the AfL since he left in 2009. What a waste of GAA talent.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 22, 2014, 05:17:24 PM
Tommy Walsh has played 5 games in the AfL since he left in 2009. What a waste of GAA talent.
His choice..
Just wondering as im watching wales v new zealand if mayo would benefit frow a hakka.. :o the gimp kenny could prance up and down spouting lies for a few minutes.. The opposition would be paralysed in fits of laughter
Leave Mayo alone.
Can t understand how Tom Parsons wasn t picked for this gig??
Quote from: lawnseed on November 22, 2014, 05:39:29 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 22, 2014, 05:17:24 PM
Tommy Walsh has played 5 games in the AfL since he left in 2009. What a waste of GAA talent.
His choice..
Just wondering as im watching wales v new zealand if mayo would benefit frow a hakka.. :o the gimp kenny could prance up and down spouting lies for a few minutes.. The opposition would be paralysed in fits of laughter
You are trying to hard Lawnseed.You are more to be pitied than laughed at.
Quote from: lawnseed on November 22, 2014, 05:39:29 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 22, 2014, 05:17:24 PM
Tommy Walsh has played 5 games in the AfL since he left in 2009. What a waste of GAA talent.
His choice..
Just wondering as im watching wales v new zealand if mayo would benefit frow a hakka.. :o the gimp kenny could prance up and down spouting lies for a few minutes.. The opposition would be paralysed in fits of laughter
Jeez Hayseed it must be a slow owl Saturday for ya-Go have a pint or a w**k or something...let it all out,tell someone,dont suffer in silence.
The facts are undeniable. Picking players from mayo mean irelands chances of winning in oz were greatly reduced. They loose here flying them to the far side of the planet doesnt make them winners it just means they loose representing the country instead of mayo. Sad but true. 25m free infront of goals 3 times the size they are normally two clearcut goal chances fluffed. Sure that was the winning of the game.. Facts are such stubborn things
We don't play it here, they don't play it there. There is no point to these series. I hope today was the last game.
Quote from: moysider on November 22, 2014, 06:56:43 PM
Can t understand how Tom Parsons wasn t picked for this gig??
When was the last time Tom Parsons was picked for
any gig?
Quote from: moysider on November 22, 2014, 06:56:43 PM
Can t understand how Tom Parsons wasn t picked for this gig??
Is Tom still flying back from Cardiff?
Should Gavin Duffy not have been brought in for this?
Quote from: Jinxy on November 22, 2014, 07:49:41 PM
Should Gavin Duffy not have been brought in for this?
Obviously.
James Horan would actually be a good call for manager next time.
Quote from: lawnseed on November 22, 2014, 05:07:26 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 22, 2014, 03:34:38 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on November 22, 2014, 10:42:56 AM
All is going to plan i'd say. With a cup on the table the mayo players are doing exactly what they always do..
Worst irish team ever?
Sounds like someone's sister has been riding Mayo men all around her and poor lawnseed is jealous ;D
I agree with indy. The outcome of this game was decided when early got the job. The gaa didnt want to win this game. It was austrailia's turn. The mayo players were there to garantee that ireland would be beat.. And hey wadda you know they nearly kept ireland scoreless even from 25 meters
If you want to be silly about it so be it.
Quote from: Jinxy on November 22, 2014, 08:31:55 PM
James Horan would actually be a good call for manager next time.
jinky, give hayseed a call
Great bit of thinking from Darren Hughes taking the ball out of the Aussie msn's hands and running with it, leading to Ireland's second goal.
The media are mad keen on talking up the future of the series ! :)
This is a hugely popular competition and always has been. Why do people consistently change the subject to scrapping the series every f***ing time it's played?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 22, 2014, 09:12:26 PM
This is a hugely popular competition and always has been. Why do people consistently change the subject to scrapping the series every f***ing time it's played?
+ 1
Good crowds in Aus this year, usually decent crowds in Ireland regardless of who they send over. If Australia continue to respect the fixture by fielding proper teams it certainly has a future.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 22, 2014, 09:12:26 PM
This is a hugely popular competition and always has been. Why do people consistently change the subject to scrapping the series every f***ing time it's played?
It's a GAABoard orthodoxy thing - like dissing the GPA and Dónal Óg ;D
Its definitely more enjoyable when the Aussies take it seriously.
Quote from: clarshack on November 22, 2014, 11:25:24 PM
Its definitely more enjoyable when the Aussies take it seriously.
And we'll enjoy the game alot more when we get a squad who can take simple scores
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 22, 2014, 09:12:26 PM
This is a hugely popular competition and always has been. Why do people consistently change the subject to scrapping the series every f***ing time it's played?
It's not a competition, it's an exhibition game. It's not a series, it's now a one off game. It's not a game that's played competitively by anyone, anywhere in the world outside this exhibition game. I personally don't mind it as it gives the players a bit of representative honours and recognition and it's a bit of fun. But I wouldn't get upset that people don't discuss it like its a serious competitive competition.
Point taken about the series, but it's not an exhibition game. It's a competitive game. Both teams take it seriously enough to try their best to win, the fans have a team to root for, and people care about the outcome. This is why it was played in front of a sell-out crowd and a TV audience. When was the last time you could say that about the Railway Cup?
The All-star game is an exhibition. There's no team to root for. Nobody there cares about the outcome, the players included, which is why it's such a lame anti-climactic misrepresentation of what the sport is supposed to look like. Where's the annual debate about scrapping the All-star game?
Quote from: INDIANA on November 22, 2014, 08:47:42 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on November 22, 2014, 05:07:26 PM
No need to backtrack now. You ssid the exact same in effect that it wad picking Mayo players that lost us the match.
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 22, 2014, 03:34:38 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on November 22, 2014, 10:42:56 AM
All is going to plan i'd say. With a cup on the table the mayo players are doing exactly what they always do..
Worst irish team ever?
Sounds like someone's sister has been riding Mayo men all around her and poor lawnseed is jealous ;D
I agree with indy. The outcome of this game was decided when early got the job. The gaa didnt want to win this game. It was austrailia's turn. The mayo players were there to garantee that ireland would be beat.. And hey wadda you know they nearly kept ireland scoreless even from 25 meters
If you want to be silly about it so be it.
You can't be much more positive that this :
Future of the series secure after talks with GAA and AFL - Australia are coming to Ireland next year.
It follows the success of last Saturday's test in Perth where a near full-house crowd of 38,262 turned out for the game in Patersons Stadium, Perth. A huge Irish contingent attended and while they were disappointed to see Australia win by ten points (56-46), it was a great occasion.
"It meant so much to so many Irish people. The game was excellent - sporting, hard and fair. We needed a good game and we got that. It put International Rules back on track, which was clearly needed. It's easier to go back to Central Council now and make a case (for the series to continue)," said Paraic Duffy, GAA Director-General.
Australia are keen to take the series to the US - possible Boston or New York - but that's unlikely to happen for some time, although Duffy did not rule it out completely.
"When you see the turnout of Irish people here (Perth) - you could replicate it in a place like Boston. I wouldn't close the door on it but let's get a series next year - whether one or two games - and then look at the bigger picture," he said.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 23, 2014, 05:01:39 AM
Point taken about the series, but it's not an exhibition game. It's a competitive game. Both teams take it seriously enough to try their best to win, the fans have a team to root for, and people care about the outcome. This is why it was played in front of a sell-out crowd and a TV audience. When was the last time you could say that about the Railway Cup?
The All-star game is an exhibition. There's no team to root for. Nobody there cares about the outcome, the players included, which is why it's such a lame anti-climactic misrepresentation of what the sport is supposed to look like. Where's the annual debate about scrapping the All-star game?
It's not a competition in the respect that it's just two made up teams playing a one off game that neither need to qualify for and there is no progress beyond. Neither players practice or train for it until a few weeks beforehand. In that sense it's a one off exhibition game, an experiment of mixing two sports. Can you really say that the Aussies always take it seriously?
It's the novelty factor combined with a little bit of National pride in our games and the potential for a scrap that makes people want to watch it. In a sense we are supporting Gaelic games v Aussie Rules. We want to see how our amateurs fare against professional athletes. It's a pride thing, not a love of the IR itself but we dont get too upset when we lose. I don't know why the Railway Cup is always bought into the discussion with International rules. One is GAA the other is a made up game not played anywhere else at any time. Just because it gets bigger attendances than the railway cup seems to be an argument trotted out every year. On that logic it gets a bigger crowd than than most club championship games, why don't we scrap those?
Like I said, I don't mind it, it fills a gap in the calander (which to be honest is becoming more and more filled with much more important club championship matches which is reducing my appetite even more for the IR) and gives the players involved an opportunity to represent their country. But I don't take it seriously as some form of international competition and I can understand why people are suggesting that it's run it's course.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 22, 2014, 09:12:26 PM
This is a hugely popular competition and always has been. Why do people consistently change the subject to scrapping the series every f***ing time it's played?
Half empty stadiums, brawling and indigenous teams being three of the primary reasons.
Quote from: lawnseed on November 22, 2014, 07:23:46 PM
The facts are undeniable. Picking players from mayo mean irelands chances of winning in oz were greatly reduced. They loose here flying them to the far side of the planet doesnt make them winners it just means they loose representing the country instead of mayo. Sad but true. 25m free infront of goals 3 times the size they are normally two clearcut goal chances fluffed. Sure that was the winning of the game.. Facts are such stubborn things
Have you ever heard of the concept of winning as a team and losing as a team ? It is a basic tenet of sport. You should look it up sometime.
Once Ireland got used to the round ball they improved greatly
Quote from: rrhf on November 23, 2014, 11:22:39 AM
Once Ireland got used to the round ball they improved greatly
This is the most sensible observation on this thread. ;D
Colm O'Rourke's article is very interesting
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/colm-orourke-the-first-two-quarters-yesterday-were-an-embarrassment-for-gaelic-football-30766488.html
"The faults of our game were laid bare in that first half. Handpass, handpass, handpass. It has become institutionalised. Yes, the limit on handpasses from four to six in a row was supposed to help the Australians, and it did, but they got caught several times overdoing it and lost possession, even with the referee counting them out. Who would say that it would not work in our game? Of course there is also the probability that the ball could then be kicked backwards to hold possession, but something has to give
The big change over the years in these matches is that the body shape of both sides now is remarkably similar. Gone are the Aussie beanpoles: the only one near that description was the giant Nic Naitanui, who was useful at the throw-ups at the start of each quarter but a fish out of water otherwise. Now players are runners and more skilful, fitness levels on the Irish side have improved, but the game of Gaelic football has degenerated as a result. "
It's all Tyrone's fault
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P3lhrwio-M
Go back to sleep Colm.
Only 364 sleeps till the next game.
Really looking forward to Eugene McGees coloum in the sindo tomorrow about the game yesterday. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I would see some merit in a handpass limit in Gaelic football though.
Ban the effin thing and teach players how to kick the ball.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 23, 2014, 05:54:19 PM
Ban the effin thing and teach players how to kick the ball.
I wonder if there is any coach out there who could analyse what the Aussies do better and bring it back to GF so we could move on past the eternal handpass movement and blanket defence stage
Quote from: seafoid on November 23, 2014, 06:06:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 23, 2014, 05:54:19 PM
Ban the effin thing and teach players how to kick the ball.
I wonder if there is any coach out there who could analyse what the Aussies do better and bring it back to GF so we could move on past the eternal handpass movement and blanket defence stage
Well I spent considerable time over there with AFL.
Aussies give their kids experience of all sports in a match orientated environment. They don't do drills.
You will never see a training session with kids lined up behind cones waiting their turn to perform the same drill as the last guy.
Everything is match orientated. Sometimes it looks like madness as you kids giving the ball away endlessly. But after 3-6 months the difference is huge.
Its why the Aussies are world leaders in team sports. You look at their rugby union team yesterday. Game breakers and decision makers everywhere. it didn't win them the game . But they'll be a lot closer to winning the WC next year then ireland will.
The coaches can trust the players to make the decisions on the ball because they have been doing it since they were 6. It makes it very hard to defend against because it's so unstructured and off the cuff.
Possibly the most stupid move to develop in our game is the 'lay off' this is where the attacking player goes on a run up the field and its compulsary that he runs toward a series of his team mates who'll position themselves at 20yard intervals up the pitch. The attacker has just time to handpass to each of them as he continues his solo run. This allows time for the opposing side to set up thier blanket defence one of these will eventually tackle the runner who'll probably take a dive or shoot a crazy wide (at least 30m wide) watch any cavan or rosscommon game for extreme examples of this. The best game to watch is where the ball travels up the pitch in about 3 or 4 good kick passes to the chest of a team mate who kicks it onward. (watch crossmaglen or other good club sides) thats why the aussies hammered us because we are playing basketball not football and the rules of the compromise game say you can be tackled after a handpass but you can take a mark after a kickpass we have lost our basic kicking game because we cannot clearly define the tackle. Were we to allow the tackle as per compromise game we'd see more kicking and less handpassing
Gaelic Football will eventually come around
though ideas move a lot slower as it is not a professional sport
Every year this thing is on we hear the same nonsense.
'They kick the ball better than us'.
They are programmed to kick for the man's chest so he can take the mark.
Play stops.
We are programmed to kick the ball for the man to run onto, thus reducing the risk of his marker getting a hand in and allowing him to open up the space.
Play does not stop.
A good kick in IR is still a decent enough kick in gaelic football, however a good kick in gaelic football is not always a good kick in IR.
That ball that hops in front of you allowing you to gather and burst past the static defender in gaelic football?
IR suicide.
If kicking the ball was a more effective way of winning football matches then managers would have their teams doing that.
Players are fitter now and can run up and down the field for an hour so it makes sense to retain possession. Kicking the ball is more likely to give the ball away. And the team you kick it away to might not be nice enough to kick it away again.
It s a bit like American football where apart from the quarterback the ball is seldom passed or thrown for fear of a fumble or interception.
It s not a recent development. Back in the 70s Heffo and Micko revolutionised football with better fitness and more handpassing. Some great footballers were throwing balls into the net.
We won t get a kicking game again unless there are changes to rules that would make kicking the ball a more likely way to win.
Limiting or banning handpasses would produce a new game there and then. Making six players stay in opposition half would as well but that produces another problem. Who is going to envigilate that?
All sports naturally evolve. We ve got the game we have because players have got bigger, faster and fitter and generally better. Modern teams would blow away the teams of 40 years ago.
What most people forget when the players are selected for this game is that it is based on the players who make themselves available. The non available ones are Players drained after a long intercounty championship, players with injuries needed to to sorted out for next year, players still involved with their clubs, players who work for a living, players who just could not give a sh1te. Earley is left with a few decent players and a few out of sorts left overs to fill the gaps. This is still a junket for the GAA top brass to go down under for a paid holiday every second year. It's not a game for the best Gaelic players, some of them yes. But you'd never see the Gouch don an Irish Shirt! The Aussies are all over the place with caring about it. They either send over a group of thugs who beat the sh1te out of us physically or an ethnic group who we beat the sh1te out of on the scoreboard. Now and again you get the real deal like yesterday. But hey nobody really cares! Some of the Irish players probably care, its probably got to do with GAA being part of our national identity and the mindset of representing your area. The reality the future of the game always depends on the Aussies. God knows they have pissed on the series a few times over the years. If we did that, it would be gone.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 23, 2014, 09:25:09 PM
What most people forget when the players are selected for this game is that it is based on the players who make themselves available. The non available ones are Players drained after a long intercounty championship, players with injuries needed to to sorted out for next year, players still involved with their clubs, players who work for a living, players who just could not give a sh1te. Earley is left with a few decent players and a few out of sorts left overs to fill the gaps. This is still a junket for the GAA top brass to go down under for a paid holiday every second year. It's not a game for the best Gaelic players, some of them yes. But you'd never see the Gouch don an Irish Shirt! The Aussies are all over the place with caring about it. They either send over a group of thugs who beat the sh1te out of us physically or an ethnic group who we beat the sh1te out of on the scoreboard. Now and again you get the real deal like yesterday. But hey nobody really cares! Some of the Irish players probably care, its probably got to do with GAA being part of our national identity and the mindset of representing your area. The reality the future of the game always depends on the Aussies. God knows they have pissed on the series a few times over the years. If we did that, it would be gone.
Agree.
Also a lot of players that went would be out of serious training for weeks and months even.
Might not be a coincidence that Conor McManus (a top player anyway) was the pick of the Irish. He flew over late after club duty. At least he would be match fit.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 23, 2014, 09:25:09 PM
What most people forget when the players are selected for this game is that it is based on the players who make themselves available. The non available ones are Players drained after a long intercounty championship, players with injuries needed to to sorted out for next year, players still involved with their clubs, players who work for a living, players who just could not give a sh1te. Earley is left with a few decent players and a few out of sorts left overs to fill the gaps. This is still a junket for the GAA top brass to go down under for a paid holiday every second year. It's not a game for the best Gaelic players, some of them yes. But you'd never see the Gouch don an Irish Shirt! The Aussies are all over the place with caring about it. They either send over a group of thugs who beat the sh1te out of us physically or an ethnic group who we beat the sh1te out of on the scoreboard. Now and again you get the real deal like yesterday. But hey nobody really cares! Some of the Irish players probably care, its probably got to do with GAA being part of our national identity and the mindset of representing your area. The reality the future of the game always depends on the Aussies. God knows they have pissed on the series a few times over the years. If we did that, it would be gone.
Gooch had a go..
Quote from: lawnseed on November 23, 2014, 09:48:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 23, 2014, 09:25:09 PM
What most people forget when the players are selected for this game is that it is based on the players who make themselves available. The non available ones are Players drained after a long intercounty championship, players with injuries needed to to sorted out for next year, players still involved with their clubs, players who work for a living, players who just could not give a sh1te. Earley is left with a few decent players and a few out of sorts left overs to fill the gaps. This is still a junket for the GAA top brass to go down under for a paid holiday every second year. It's not a game for the best Gaelic players, some of them yes. But you'd never see the Gouch don an Irish Shirt! The Aussies are all over the place with caring about it. They either send over a group of thugs who beat the sh1te out of us physically or an ethnic group who we beat the sh1te out of on the scoreboard. Now and again you get the real deal like yesterday. But hey nobody really cares! Some of the Irish players probably care, its probably got to do with GAA being part of our national identity and the mindset of representing your area. The reality the future of the game always depends on the Aussies. God knows they have pissed on the series a few times over the years. If we did that, it would be gone.
Gooch had a go..
........ and said no thanks!
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 23, 2014, 09:54:46 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on November 23, 2014, 09:48:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 23, 2014, 09:25:09 PM
What most people forget when the players are selected for this game is that it is based on the players who make themselves available. The non available ones are Players drained after a long intercounty championship, players with injuries needed to to sorted out for next year, players still involved with their clubs, players who work for a living, players who just could not give a sh1te. Earley is left with a few decent players and a few out of sorts left overs to fill the gaps. This is still a junket for the GAA top brass to go down under for a paid holiday every second year. It's not a game for the best Gaelic players, some of them yes. But you'd never see the Gouch don an Irish Shirt! The Aussies are all over the place with caring about it. They either send over a group of thugs who beat the sh1te out of us physically or an ethnic group who we beat the sh1te out of on the scoreboard. Now and again you get the real deal like yesterday. But hey nobody really cares! Some of the Irish players probably care, its probably got to do with GAA being part of our national identity and the mindset of representing your area. The reality the future of the game always depends on the Aussies. God knows they have pissed on the series a few times over the years. If we did that, it would be gone.
Gooch had a go..
........ and said no thanks!
The Mayo lads mightn t be much good but at least they show up ;D ;D
Even if they haven t kicked a ball since August.
The one Mayo man with the necessary physicality and never-say-die attitude for this game was left at home.
(http://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.1914427.1409586683!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_620_330/image.jpg)
Quote from: moysider on November 23, 2014, 08:12:15 PM
If kicking the ball was a more effective way of winning football matches then managers would have their teams doing that.
Players are fitter now and can run up and down the field for an hour so it makes sense to retain possession. Kicking the ball is more likely to give the ball away. And the team you kick it away to might not be nice enough to kick it away again.
It s a bit like American football where apart from the quarterback the ball is seldom passed or thrown for fear of a fumble or interception.
It s not a recent development. Back in the 70s Heffo and Micko revolutionised football with better fitness and more handpassing. Some great footballers were throwing balls into the net.
We won t get a kicking game again unless there are changes to rules that would make kicking the ball a more likely way to win.
Limiting or banning handpasses would produce a new game there and then. Making six players stay in opposition half would as well but that produces another problem. Who is going to envigilate that?
All sports naturally evolve. We ve got the game we have because players have got bigger, faster and fitter and generally better. Modern teams would blow away the teams of 40 years ago.
When I look at the way kids are trained to play Gaelic Football it's no surprise handpassing is the item of choice.
If you spend your life performing endless drills in training which repeat one aspect of the game. You revert to type in game situations.
Aussie kids are trained to win by learning their skills in a game playing environment. Ours are trained not to lose in a training environment.
As I said the rugby game yesterday encapsulated it perfectly. One team had ambition and lost. But that ambition is why they can beat the All Blacks sometimes and we can't.
Quote from: Jinxy on November 23, 2014, 10:20:11 PM
The one Mayo man with the necessary physicality and never-say-die attitude for this game was left at home.
(http://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.1914427.1409586683!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_620_330/image.jpg)
They couldn t pick him because he was banned >:(
Quantas also threatened to charge double for 2 seats for him.
O'Rourke lost me even before he called Conor McManus Ciaran.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on November 23, 2014, 10:39:25 PM
O'Rourke lost me even before he called Conor McManus Ciaran.
This is a bit of a joke at this stage. It was bad enough journalists getting his name wrong when Ciaran was still playing, given Conor had been on the intercounty scene a few years at that stage already, but not completely unforgiveable. But a few years on after winning an all-star, captaining his county and being one of the top forwards in the country, the likes of O'Rourke still get his name wrong. Incredible really.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 23, 2014, 10:22:45 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 23, 2014, 08:12:15 PM
If kicking the ball was a more effective way of winning football matches then managers would have their teams doing that.
Players are fitter now and can run up and down the field for an hour so it makes sense to retain possession. Kicking the ball is more likely to give the ball away. And the team you kick it away to might not be nice enough to kick it away again.
It s a bit like American football where apart from the quarterback the ball is seldom passed or thrown for fear of a fumble or interception.
It s not a recent development. Back in the 70s Heffo and Micko revolutionised football with better fitness and more handpassing. Some great footballers were throwing balls into the net.
We won t get a kicking game again unless there are changes to rules that would make kicking the ball a more likely way to win.
Limiting or banning handpasses would produce a new game there and then. Making six players stay in opposition half would as well but that produces another problem. Who is going to envigilate that?
All sports naturally evolve. We ve got the game we have because players have got bigger, faster and fitter and generally better. Modern teams would blow away the teams of 40 years ago.
When I look at the way kids are trained to play Gaelic Football it's no surprise handpassing is the item of choice.
If you spend your life performing endless drills in training which repeat one aspect of the game. You revert to type in game situations.
Aussie kids are trained to win by learning their skills in a game playing environment. Ours are trained not to lose in a training environment.
As I said the rugby game yesterday encapsulated it perfectly. One team had ambition and lost. But that ambition is why they can beat the All Blacks sometimes and we can't.
I take you re point about the Aussie way but are not kids coached the way they are in Gaelic because that is the way games are won?
Being devil's advocate here because I d love a game of high catches and accurate kicking. But a team that keeps possession and only allows a few choice players to kick the ball beats that all the time. How long would the traditional coach last? How long did Liam Sammon last in Galway? Not long. The purists did for Ford and Kernan. The results did for Sammon even though people loved how his teams tried to play.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on November 23, 2014, 10:39:25 PM
O'Rourke lost me even before he called Conor McManus Ciaran.
It that bloody predictive pundit-text.
Quote from: moysider on November 23, 2014, 10:54:30 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 23, 2014, 10:22:45 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 23, 2014, 08:12:15 PM
If kicking the ball was a more effective way of winning football matches then managers would have their teams doing that.
Players are fitter now and can run up and down the field for an hour so it makes sense to retain possession. Kicking the ball is more likely to give the ball away. And the team you kick it away to might not be nice enough to kick it away again.
It s a bit like American football where apart from the quarterback the ball is seldom passed or thrown for fear of a fumble or interception.
It s not a recent development. Back in the 70s Heffo and Micko revolutionised football with better fitness and more handpassing. Some great footballers were throwing balls into the net.
We won t get a kicking game again unless there are changes to rules that would make kicking the ball a more likely way to win.
Limiting or banning handpasses would produce a new game there and then. Making six players stay in opposition half would as well but that produces another problem. Who is going to envigilate that?
All sports naturally evolve. We ve got the game we have because players have got bigger, faster and fitter and generally better. Modern teams would blow away the teams of 40 years ago.
When I look at the way kids are trained to play Gaelic Football it's no surprise handpassing is the item of choice.
If you spend your life performing endless drills in training which repeat one aspect of the game. You revert to type in game situations.
Aussie kids are trained to win by learning their skills in a game playing environment. Ours are trained not to lose in a training environment.
As I said the rugby game yesterday encapsulated it perfectly. One team had ambition and lost. But that ambition is why they can beat the All Blacks sometimes and we can't.
I take you re point about the Aussie way but are not kids coached the way they are in Gaelic because that is the way games are won?
Being devil's advocate here because I d love a game of high catches and accurate kicking. But a team that keeps possession and only allows a few choice players to kick the ball beats that all the time. How long would the traditional coach last? How long did Liam Sammon last in Galway? Not long. The purists did for Ford and Kernan. The results did for Sammon even though people loved how his teams tried to play.
Not at all. You really need to start thinking about this if you're involved in coaching and I don't mean that in a patronising way in any shape or form.
Gaelic Football still is being being coached exactly the same as schools rugby teams.
why Irish rugby teams don't have the all-blacks skillset? Because the schools cup teaches them not to lose games rather then win them. So in the international arena they get exposed when the pressure is at it's highest because they haven't the skillset to execute properly against the best teams. Its why they spent the entire game yesterday kicking the ball up in the air.
Why our players couldn't deal with the AFL players is exactly the same. They were playing against professional athletes who gave them even less time then in an inter county game and time and again they made bad decisions on the ball because of these endless bloody drills players do most of their careers where they are running around cones playing 5 yard hand-passes. They are no use when a super-fit, athletic player is hunting you down.
The Aussies don't- they learn their chosen field game from a young age making mistakes. In Ireland I still see parents trying roaring at their kids in an u10 game. Madness. And it takes an international arena to expose it because GAA has no international outlet. Yesterday our top players had inferior kicking skills to individuals who had 3 weeks practice with the round ball.
Once you're cocooned in your own environment you're always great. Thats why Donegal under Mc Guinness were the worst thing ever to hit the GAA because you now have u14 teams thinking this is the way forward. They'll never play any other way either!
You develop good GAA players by playing small sided games in training from a young age and outside warm ups - throw away the drills manual. Let them make all the mistakes in the world and forget trying to win anything until they are about 15/16. You mighn't be the most successful underage coach in the world - but you just might train 4-5 players who will be good enough to not just play senior inter county football- but be among the elite.
Quote from: Schkite on November 23, 2014, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on November 23, 2014, 10:39:25 PM
O'Rourke lost me even before he called Conor McManus Ciaran.
This is a bit of a joke at this stage. It was bad enough journalists getting his name wrong when Ciaran was still playing, given Conor had been on the intercounty scene a few years at that stage already, but not completely unforgiveable. But a few years on after winning an all-star, captaining his county and being one of the top forwards in the country, the likes of O'Rourke still get his name wrong. Incredible really.
Far from the first time I've seen it with Conor or a host of other players. Eugene McGee once got four Kildare players' names wrong at a time when we were All-Ireland semi-finalists.
We all make mistakes but it really is bog-standard. Imagine a soccer pundit calling Ireland's right-back Shane Coleman, for example? Or someone writing about the Premiership for an English national newspaper talking about David Sturridge? He'd be out of a job.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 23, 2014, 11:36:03 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 23, 2014, 10:54:30 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 23, 2014, 10:22:45 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 23, 2014, 08:12:15 PM
If kicking the ball was a more effective way of winning football matches then managers would have their teams doing that.
Players are fitter now and can run up and down the field for an hour so it makes sense to retain possession. Kicking the ball is more likely to give the ball away. And the team you kick it away to might not be nice enough to kick it away again.
It s a bit like American football where apart from the quarterback the ball is seldom passed or thrown for fear of a fumble or interception.
It s not a recent development. Back in the 70s Heffo and Micko revolutionised football with better fitness and more handpassing. Some great footballers were throwing balls into the net.
We won t get a kicking game again unless there are changes to rules that would make kicking the ball a more likely way to win.
Limiting or banning handpasses would produce a new game there and then. Making six players stay in opposition half would as well but that produces another problem. Who is going to envigilate that?
All sports naturally evolve. We ve got the game we have because players have got bigger, faster and fitter and generally better. Modern teams would blow away the teams of 40 years ago.
When I look at the way kids are trained to play Gaelic Football it's no surprise handpassing is the item of choice.
If you spend your life performing endless drills in training which repeat one aspect of the game. You revert to type in game situations.
Aussie kids are trained to win by learning their skills in a game playing environment. Ours are trained not to lose in a training environment.
As I said the rugby game yesterday encapsulated it perfectly. One team had ambition and lost. But that ambition is why they can beat the All Blacks sometimes and we can't.
I take you re point about the Aussie way but are not kids coached the way they are in Gaelic because that is the way games are won?
Being devil's advocate here because I d love a game of high catches and accurate kicking. But a team that keeps possession and only allows a few choice players to kick the ball beats that all the time. How long would the traditional coach last? How long did Liam Sammon last in Galway? Not long. The purists did for Ford and Kernan. The results did for Sammon even though people loved how his teams tried to play.
Not at all. You really need to start thinking about this if you're involved in coaching and I don't mean that in a patronising way in any shape or form.
Gaelic Football still is being being coached exactly the same as schools rugby teams.
why Irish rugby teams don't have the all-blacks skillset? Because the schools cup teaches them not to lose games rather then win them. So in the international arena they get exposed when the pressure is at it's highest because they haven't the skillset to execute properly against the best teams. Its why they spent the entire game yesterday kicking the ball up in the air.
Why our players couldn't deal with the AFL players is exactly the same. They were playing against professional athletes who gave them even less time then in an inter county game and time and again they made bad decisions on the ball because of these endless bloody drills players do most of their careers where they are running around cones playing 5 yard hand-passes. They are no use when a super-fit, athletic player is hunting you down.
The Aussies don't- they learn their chosen field game from a young age making mistakes. In Ireland I still see parents trying roaring at their kids in an u10 game. Madness. And it takes an international arena to expose it because GAA has no international outlet. Yesterday our top players had inferior kicking skills to individuals who had 3 weeks practice with the round ball.
Once you're cocooned in your own environment you're always great. Thats why Donegal under Mc Guinness were the worst thing ever to hit the GAA because you now have u14 teams thinking this is the way forward. They'll never play any other way either!
You develop good GAA players by playing small sided games in training from a young age and outside warm ups - throw away the drills manual. Let them make all the mistakes in the world and forget trying to win anything until they are about 15/16. You mighn't be the most successful underage coach in the world - but you just might train 4-5 players who will be good enough to not just play senior inter county football- but be among the elite.
I see your point but it s not going to work. Sport is result based no matter what good intentions the coach may have.
Donegal won an AI playing their way. They wouldn t win one playing like Kerry used to. I m more pleased a county like Donegal won it playing like they did than Kerry winning another - while getting defensive themselves.
Nothing wrong with diversity anyway. In football, Brazil, Arg., Germany, Italy, Holland, France have all been successful and different at the same time.
Australia have their way in rugby, and they are often a joy to watch. But there are other ways and nobody wants every team to play the same way. The Blacks are technically brilliant but it s great that a mental French team can sometimes do them. I love the fact that England still play props with bellies and a no.8 with tits. Wales still produce class players and Ireland are a different culture as well. Sport would not interest me if it had a sameness about it.
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If kicking the ball was a more effective way of winning football matches then managers would have their teams doing that.
Players are fitter now and can run up and down the field for an hour so it makes sense to retain possession. Kicking the ball is more likely to give the ball away. And the team you kick it away to might not be nice enough to kick it away again.
It s a bit like American football where apart from the quarterback the ball is seldom passed or thrown for fear of a fumble or interception.
It s not a recent development. Back in the 70s Heffo and Micko revolutionised football with better fitness and more handpassing. Some great footballers were throwing balls into the net.
We won t get a kicking game again unless there are changes to rules that would make kicking the ball a more likely way to win.
Limiting or banning handpasses would produce a new game there and then. Making six players stay in opposition half would as well but that produces another problem. Who is going to envigilate that?
All sports naturally evolve. We ve got the game we have because players have got bigger, faster and fitter and generally better. Modern teams would blow away the teams of 40 years ago.
When I look at the way kids are trained to play Gaelic Football it's no surprise handpassing is the item of choice.
If you spend your life performing endless drills in training which repeat one aspect of the game. You revert to type in game situations.
Aussie kids are trained to win by learning their skills in a game playing environment. Ours are trained not to lose in a training environment.
As I said the rugby game yesterday encapsulated it perfectly. One team had ambition and lost. But that ambition is why they can beat the All Blacks sometimes and we can't.
I take you re point about the Aussie way but are not kids coached the way they are in Gaelic because that is the way games are won?
Being devil's advocate here because I d love a game of high catches and accurate kicking. But a team that keeps possession and only allows a few choice players to kick the ball beats that all the time. How long would the traditional coach last? How long did Liam Sammon last in Galway? Not long. The purists did for Ford and Kernan. The results did for Sammon even though people loved how his teams tried to play.
Not at all. You really need to start thinking about this if you're involved in coaching and I don't mean that in a patronising way in any shape or form.
Gaelic Football still is being being coached exactly the same as schools rugby teams.
why Irish rugby teams don't have the all-blacks skillset? Because the schools cup teaches them not to lose games rather then win them. So in the international arena they get exposed when the pressure is at it's highest because they haven't the skillset to execute properly against the best teams. Its why they spent the entire game yesterday kicking the ball up in the air.
Why our players couldn't deal with the AFL players is exactly the same. They were playing against professional athletes who gave them even less time then in an inter county game and time and again they made bad decisions on the ball because of these endless bloody drills players do most of their careers where they are running around cones playing 5 yard hand-passes. They are no use when a super-fit, athletic player is hunting you down.
The Aussies don't- they learn their chosen field game from a young age making mistakes. In Ireland I still see parents trying roaring at their kids in an u10 game. Madness. And it takes an international arena to expose it because GAA has no international outlet. Yesterday our top players had inferior kicking skills to individuals who had 3 weeks practice with the round ball.
Once you're cocooned in your own environment you're always great. Thats why Donegal under Mc Guinness were the worst thing ever to hit the GAA because you now have u14 teams thinking this is the way forward. They'll never play any other way either!
You develop good GAA players by playing small sided games in training from a young age and outside warm ups - throw away the drills manual. Let them make all the mistakes in the world and forget trying to win anything until they are about 15/16. You mighn't be the most successful underage coach in the world - but you just might train 4-5 players who will be good enough to not just play senior inter county football- but be among the elite.
You know an unreal amount about how training should be done Indy, the teams you train must have endless success ;D
I think Indianas point that underage players first aim should not be winning but learning the skills of the game is a valid one.But how are you going to change a culture when even winning an u 12 title is widely celebrated in a parish?Reading James Horans interview yesterday he makes the point that as coach of an u16 girls team the least important part of the game for him at this stage is the result.Skills and understanding are the key elements right now and winning will come later.
Embarassing by the Irish, unbelievable the number of panic shots taken that went completely wide for no points and the same with a few frees, especially the one from O'Neill at the start and Hughes near the end. The big difference was the mindset of the players - the Irish got the ball and in a lot of cases just hoofed it high up the field therefore taking the situation from being them in 100% possession to a 50/50 ball. The Aussies did the seemingly simple and smart thing and got the ball and had players running towards the man in possession to receive the 30/40 yard kick pass to the chest for the mark. It actually reminded me of backs and forwards and how the forward is always on his toes ready to sprint towards the man hitting the balls in, but I cant understand how Ireland were not trying to employ this tactic. I watched the Irish team on the ball and struggle to get a scoring chance in a long period of time (possession wise), yet as soon as the Aussies got the ball they had worked it to their forward line, won an easy chest mark and tapped it over the bar. The squad selection is a joke too, typical of the GAAs great organisational skills to again schedule this match at a time when the majority of top players are unavailable. Its like every other year when you see players faced with the dilemma of playing a county final or playing in this game, why oh why does some brainchild even think its possible for a player to be in two places at once. As for a player of the 'series' award for one game, whats the all about. Would it not be more relevant to call it a man of the match award.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 24, 2014, 08:32:13 AM
Embarassing by the Irish, unbelievable the number of panic shots taken that went completely wide for no points and the same with a few frees, especially the one from O'Neill at the start and Hughes near the end. The big difference was the mindset of the players - the Irish got the ball and in a lot of cases just hoofed it high up the field therefore taking the situation from being them in 100% possession to a 50/50 ball. The Aussies did the seemingly simple and smart thing and got the ball and had players running towards the man in possession to receive the 30/40 yard kick pass to the chest for the mark. It actually reminded me of backs and forwards and how the forward is always on his toes ready to sprint towards the man hitting the balls in, but I cant understand how Ireland were not trying to employ this tactic. I watched the Irish team on the ball and struggle to get a scoring chance in a long period of time (possession wise), yet as soon as the Aussies got the ball they had worked it to their forward line, won an easy chest mark and tapped it over the bar. The squad selection is a joke too, typical of the GAAs great organisational skills to again schedule this match at a time when the majority of top players are unavailable. Its like every other year when you see players faced with the dilemma of playing a county final or playing in this game, why oh why does some brainchild even think its possible for a player to be in two places at once. As for a player of the 'series' award for one game, whats the all about. Would it not be more relevant to call it a man of the match award.
When could they schedule the match, in the middle of the AFL season? The game this year was a month later then last year, so it did free up some players. Obviously not all, but that wouldn't happen anyways.
Quote from: maigheo on November 24, 2014, 01:46:47 AM
I think Indianas point that underage players first aim should not be winning but learning the skills of the game is a valid one.But how are you going to change a culture when even winning an u 12 title is widely celebrated in a parish?Reading James Horans interview yesterday he makes the point that as coach of an u16 girls team the least important part of the game for him at this stage is the result.Skills and understanding are the key elements right now and winning will come later.
The Belgian soccer crowd reformed their approach to underage sport about 15 years ago by focusing on technique rather than winning and standardising across clubs and they ended up developing players like Hazard and Kompany.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/jun/06/belgium-blueprint-gave-birth-golden-generation-world-cup-
"Tapping into philosophies and training methods in the national setups in Netherlands and France, their neighbours in the north and south, as well as at clubs such as Ajax and Barcelona, Browaeys and his colleagues proposed that every Belgium youth team would play 4-3-3 and that work should begin on producing a totally different type of player.
"It was a massive shift but we believed that 4-3-3, at that moment, was the strongest learning environment for our players," Browaeys says. "We felt that we had to develop dribbling skills, we said at the heart of our vision was 1v1, the duel. We said when a boy or girl wants to start playing football, you must offer first the dribble, let them play freely."
One of the findings in the university research was that there was far too much emphasis on winning and not enough on development. There was also evidence to support the federation's theory that 2v2, 5v5 and 8v8 were the best small-sided games to encourage children to practise the skills – dribbling and diagonal passing – that were central to their philosophy of playing 4-3-3."
It sounds like the Aussies do something similar.
Ah listen.. The pick of ireland wouldnt give kilkenny a decent game of hurling. They cant play football!! Fellas here talking about the all blacks.. They dont play football!! Talking about belgiun soccer.. They dont play football! We play football!! The aussies who dont play football outscored us in a fair game that is as near to our game as dammit.. Thats the truth. We had county players kicking 2om frees wide right in front of goals made 3 times bigger. Players failing to kick ten yard passes player kicking frees straight to the aussies! Short kicks! Thats not good enough. The guy whos name is on that cup was better than that and he deserves better. Its our cup and they have it! No excuses abiut underage training or any other shite will excuse what we saw
Quote from: lawnseed on November 24, 2014, 06:57:30 PM
Ah listen.. The pick of ireland wouldnt give kilkenny a decent game of hurling. They cant play football!! Fellas here talking about the all blacks.. They dont play football!! Talking about belgiun soccer.. They dont play football! We play football!! The aussies who dont play football outscored us in a fair game that is as near to our game as dammit.. Thats the truth. We had county players kicking 2om frees wide right in front of goals made 3 times bigger. Players failing to kick ten yard passes player kicking frees straight to the aussies! Short kicks! Thats not good enough. The guy whos name is on that cup was better than that and he deserves better. Its our cup and they have it! No excuses abiut underage training or any other shite will excuse what we saw
The thing is we are usually in our own world cocoon when it comes to judging the skills of our game. Gaelic games people like to slap themselves on the back in their safe haven of having no outside force to compare against. Soccer and to a very lesser degree Rugby get hammered by the Irish public. Saturdays game exposed us from our comfort zone as to how highly we hold our players skill wise. A caveat must be remembered. Not the most skillful players are picked for this game!
Quote from: lawnseed on November 24, 2014, 06:57:30 PM
Ah listen.. The pick of ireland wouldnt give kilkenny a decent game of hurling. They cant play football!! Fellas here talking about the all blacks.. They dont play football!! Talking about belgiun soccer.. They dont play football! We play football!! The aussies who dont play football outscored us in a fair game that is as near to our game as dammit.. Thats the truth. We had county players kicking 2om frees wide right in front of goals made 3 times bigger. Players failing to kick ten yard passes player kicking frees straight to the aussies! Short kicks! Thats not good enough. The guy whos name is on that cup was better than that and he deserves better. Its our cup and they have it! No excuses abiut underage training or any other shite will excuse what we saw
Problem is lawnseed your post is 20 years out of date. If you don't know why the skills were executed badly then you never improve. Are you from Mayo?
Why didn't they just send out the Dubs jaysus?
Lads I know a lot of this is a bit tongue in cheek but the reality is that Indiana is right. There is far too much emphasis put on drills etc at a young age. Of course the kids need to know the basics but there is no better way than to break them into small groups and have them kicking, hand passing soloing etc to each other and then play lots of games. I have said this before and I will say it again a lot of kids are being coached in a lot of clubs by lads, albeit them doing it with the right intention, who have no idea themselves how to carry out the basics of the game. They are fathers, uncles, neighbours etc of young lads, many of them living their own failed sporting dreams vicariously through their progeny, and they have carried out the foundation training to enable them to get that U10 job. They don't know the basics of how to kick a ball so cannot correct a young lad when he does it wrong and as a result they either play short hand pass games etc or continue on and the young lads develop bad habits which are very hard to break. In my opinion there should be pressure within clubs to get senior players involved in coaching the kids. It does 2 things, hopefully they can instill some strong skills to the younger lads but secondly the kids then have an incentive to develop.
Kicking a football is one of the easiest things to do and all teams should be encouraged to do it. This nonsense that it won't win games is spewed out by people who don't understand what it is to coach it and as a result they take the default position that let's do the easy thing. The reality is that the blanket defence is shrinking and will continue to do so. Traditionally strong teams like Dublin, Kerry and Armagh :P will profit this year as they do play well when they move the ball early and fast. Their fitness levels are at the same as the likes of Donegal now and once they match the workrate the better footballers will beat the system.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 24, 2014, 08:17:08 PM
Lads I know a lot of this is a bit tongue in cheek but the reality is that Indiana is right. There is far too much emphasis put on drills etc at a young age. Of course the kids need to know the basics but there is no better way than to break them into small groups and have them kicking, hand passing soloing etc to each other and then play lots of games. I have said this before and I will say it again a lot of kids are being coached in a lot of clubs by lads, albeit them doing it with the right intention, who have no idea themselves how to carry out the basics of the game. They are fathers, uncles, neighbours etc of young lads, many of them living their own failed sporting dreams vicariously through their progeny, and they have carried out the foundation training to enable them to get that U10 job. They don't know the basics of how to kick a ball so cannot correct a young lad when he does it wrong and as a result they either play short hand pass games etc or continue on and the young lads develop bad habits which are very hard to break. In my opinion there should be pressure within clubs to get senior players involved in coaching the kids. It does 2 things, hopefully they can instill some strong skills to the younger lads but secondly the kids then have an incentive to develop.
Kicking a football is one of the easiest things to do and all teams should be encouraged to do it. This nonsense that it won't win games is spewed out by people who don't understand what it is to coach it and as a result they take the default position that let's do the easy thing. The reality is that the blanket defence is shrinking and will continue to do so. Traditionally strong teams like Dublin, Kerry and Armagh :P will profit this year as they do play well when they move the ball early and fast. Their fitness levels are at the same as the likes of Donegal now and once they match the workrate the better footballers will beat the system.
+1
I'd say a lot of coaches working with kids only have rudimentary insight.
I think the basic skills of sports are not really a focus. I remember at home they put up a gym in the 80s and it cost a fortune. It had volleyball and basketball courts but nobody ever played volleyball because nobody knew how to, what the tactics were, how to serve etc. So it ended up being used for indoor soccer.
I did some tennis lessons a while ago with a decent coach and he spent ages on the backhand, how to approach the ball, how to hold the racket, feet positioning to decide ball direction etc. Hours of practice. I was thinking how different it was to the way I saw sports being coached as a kid. It's not mysterious. Every sport has certain standard ways to do things and you have to be taught them by someone who understands them. And in other countries that is how they do it. Focus on the basics and see where it will bring people
I was watching punters playing tennis during the summer who hadn't been coached. They had arrived at a certain style of play involving lots of wrist flicking and could win a certain number of points but it was nowhere near the level of people who have been coached properly.
knowledge is not shared in GAA coaching. its a very narrow minded thing.
ie, the less skilled coaches get very little opportunity to learn off the best coaches
Thought it was an enjoyable game, better than a lot of championship matches this summer. Was very competitive when Ireland finally got going. Really hope it continues because it gives our top players chance to pit themselves against top professional sports men from a game with a lot of familiar skills to our own. No idea why people get so worked up against it.
I enjoyed the fact that the kickouts had to go 45m and though Ireland competed better there than I expected. I do think people have to put the kicking thing into a bit of perspective. It would have been many players first big game in months and they were in a stadium on far side of the world. I thought the biggest issue was that players were panicking in possession. They were too concerned about avoiding the tackle (something they're not used to dealing with) and this was leading to rushed efforts.
Colm oneill and ose would normally shoot a lot better than so,me of their efforts on Saturday. Ireland did kick some nice points when they got going and used to the game. And I was impressed with how we competed physically against professionals in the 2nd half. If we'd brought a few more of our better forwards I think we'd have won. Looking forward to the return in croke park next year, let's hope the Aussies send as strong a team for it.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 24, 2014, 09:02:17 PM
knowledge is not shared in GAA coaching. its a very narrow minded thing.
ie, the less skilled coaches get very little opportunity to learn off the best coaches
Absolute nonsense. The GAA run comprehensive coaching courses at all levels in every county. Some led by the countries best coaches. Those who want to learn and coach,,it's all there for them. The rest moan about the lack of opportunity and write posts like the above.
I find it a bit strange that people would judge players kicking ability on a once a year makey-uppey game as opposed to the game they actually play the rest of the year.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 24, 2014, 09:02:17 PM
knowledge is not shared in GAA coaching. its a very narrow minded thing.
ie, the less skilled coaches get very little opportunity to learn off the best coaches
Yes correct the fellas who are good at it should be coaching the coaches
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Quote from: lawnseed on November 24, 2014, 06:57:30 PM
Ah listen.. The pick of ireland wouldnt give kilkenny a decent game of hurling. They cant play football!! Fellas here talking about the all blacks.. They dont play football!! Talking about belgiun soccer.. They dont play football! We play football!! The aussies who dont play football outscored us in a fair game that is as near to our game as dammit.. Thats the truth. We had county players kicking 2om frees wide right in front of goals made 3 times bigger. Players failing to kick ten yard passes player kicking frees straight to the aussies! Short kicks! Thats not good enough. The guy whos name is on that cup was better than that and he deserves better. Its our cup and they have it! No excuses abiut underage training or any other shite will excuse what we saw
Problem is lawnseed your post is 20 years out of date. If you don't know why the skills were executed badly then you never improve. Are you from Mayo?
Enlighten me ind why does a player lawded by pundits and managers kick a free wide of goals that are 30m wide when hes less than 30m from infront of them? Its inexcuseable. Fellas like maurice fitz would have stuck it in the net.. On saturday past or 20 years ago
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 24, 2014, 09:02:17 PM
knowledge is not shared in GAA coaching. its a very narrow minded thing.
ie, the less skilled coaches get very little opportunity to learn off the best coaches
Absolute nonsense. The GAA run comprehensive coaching courses at all levels in every county. Some led by the countries best coaches. Those who want to learn and coach,,it's all there for them. The rest moan about the lack of opportunity and write posts like the above.
the coaching courses are usually aimed at beginners or low level level coaches.
by rights, every county should be having their own coaching network events
how many counties run coach mentoring programmes?
what counties allow some club coaches to shadow their county coaches for a number of sessions to pick up a few things
and a lot of lads delivering coaching courses are only doing so because they've completed a tutor course. while the really good coaches were off upskilling and coaching
I watched the game on sat and came away thinking we were crap. I watched it last night again and the our first half was crap, our skill execution was poor, and IMO it was due to our attitude, and that's hard to explain considering the nature of the trip and game, but in the second half we were exactly the opposite because our attitude completely changed. In the first half there was no urgency or pressure, the second half we displayed the skills and attitude required. Ireland were excellent the second half and the Aussies were nearly as poor as we were in the first half. Their decision making was equally as weak as ours when the correct pressure of tackling was applied.
Some of ye are fierce insecure.
"Oh no, the Mayo lads are making us look bad in front of the Australians!"
Get over it.
Quote from: lawnseed on November 25, 2014, 01:30:24 AM
Enlighten me ind why does a player lawded by pundits and managers kick a free wide of goals that are 30m wide when hes less than 30m from infront of them? Its inexcuseable.
Quote from: Jinxy on November 25, 2014, 02:21:28 PM
Some of ye are fierce insecure.
"Oh no, the Mayo lads are making us look bad in front of the Australians!"
Get over it.
The Aidan O'Shea miss was the worst shot I've ever seen!
You couldnt help but laugh out loud as it speared towards the corner flag ;D
Obviously some on here have used it as a stick to beat the Mayo lads with, and some of the Mayo lads have reacted as intended. But its only a bit of banter. If there were Cork lads on here, I'm sure Colm O'Neill would be getting more stick for all the misses he had.
But I guess Aido will be keeping that left boot of his in its holster next year :P
Quote from: Jinxy on November 25, 2014, 02:21:28 PM
Some of ye are fierce insecure.
"Oh no, the Mayo lads are making us look bad in front of the Australians!"
Get over it.
All right for you - ya don't have to live next door to the feckers ;D
Quote from: Hound on November 25, 2014, 04:18:11 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on November 25, 2014, 01:30:24 AM
Enlighten me ind why does a player lawded by pundits and managers kick a free wide of goals that are 30m wide when hes less than 30m from infront of them? Its inexcuseable.
Quote from: Jinxy on November 25, 2014, 02:21:28 PM
Some of ye are fierce insecure.
"Oh no, the Mayo lads are making us look bad in front of the Australians!"
Get over it.
The Aidan O'Shea miss was the worst shot I've ever seen!
You couldnt help but laugh out loud as it speared towards the corner flag ;D
Obviously some on here have used it as a stick to beat the Mayo lads with, and some of the Mayo lads have reacted as intended. But its only a bit of banter. If there were Cork lads on here, I'm sure Colm O'Neill would be getting more stick for all the misses he had.
But I guess Aido will be keeping that left boot of his in its holster next year :P
I thought he was left-footed.
Quote from: lawnseed on November 25, 2014, 01:30:24 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 24, 2014, 07:36:35 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on November 24, 2014, 06:57:30 PM
Ah listen.. The pick of ireland wouldnt give kilkenny a decent game of hurling. They cant play football!! Fellas here talking about the all blacks.. They dont play football!! Talking about belgiun soccer.. They dont play football! We play football!! The aussies who dont play football outscored us in a fair game that is as near to our game as dammit.. Thats the truth. We had county players kicking 2om frees wide right in front of goals made 3 times bigger. Players failing to kick ten yard passes player kicking frees straight to the aussies! Short kicks! Thats not good enough. The guy whos name is on that cup was better than that and he deserves better. Its our cup and they have it! No excuses abiut underage training or any other shite will excuse what we saw
Problem is lawnseed your post is 20 years out of date. If you don't know why the skills were executed badly then you never improve. Are you from Mayo?
Enlighten me ind why does a player lawded by pundits and managers kick a free wide of goals that are 30m wide when hes less than 30m from infront of them? Its inexcuseable. Fellas like maurice fitz would have stuck it in the net.. On saturday past or 20 years ago
Pure technique. Maurice harnessed his ability to kick a football from a very young age and could kick the ball with either foot by the time he was 6 years of age. The fact he was from South Kerry is a complete coincidence. His club and his parents deserve credit for that. By the time his adult career came around he never had to worry about hitting short range frees because his technique was so good - even if he slightly mis-hit it he'd still score.
If you look at Aidan O Se- he's a big strong fielder of the ball who probably dominated underage matches through size alone and never refined his skills because of it. He simply wasn't trained as well as Fitzgerald. Diarmuid Connolly was scoring with two feet when he played for Scoil Mhuire. By the time he got to 15/16 he could score off either foot from 45 yards.
Its was a test of Aidan's skill- he's not a freetaker for Mayo. So he had to kick a static free in front of a big crowd under pressure and his technique failed him. that's nothing to do with being from Mayo.
I've seen plenty of Dublin players doing it. My comment about Mayo players in the thread was tongue in cheek. Jesus don't take it so personally.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 25, 2014, 07:48:17 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on November 25, 2014, 01:30:24 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 24, 2014, 07:36:35 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on November 24, 2014, 06:57:30 PM
Ah listen.. The pick of ireland wouldnt give kilkenny a decent game of hurling. They cant play football!! Fellas here talking about the all blacks.. They dont play football!! Talking about belgiun soccer.. They dont play football! We play football!! The aussies who dont play football outscored us in a fair game that is as near to our game as dammit.. Thats the truth. We had county players kicking 2om frees wide right in front of goals made 3 times bigger. Players failing to kick ten yard passes player kicking frees straight to the aussies! Short kicks! Thats not good enough. The guy whos name is on that cup was better than that and he deserves better. Its our cup and they have it! No excuses abiut underage training or any other shite will excuse what we saw
Problem is lawnseed your post is 20 years out of date. If you don't know why the skills were executed badly then you never improve. Are you from Mayo?
Enlighten me ind why does a player lawded by pundits and managers kick a free wide of goals that are 30m wide when hes less than 30m from infront of them? Its inexcuseable. Fellas like maurice fitz would have stuck it in the net.. On saturday past or 20 years ago
Pure technique. Maurice harnessed his ability to kick a football from a very young age and could kick the ball with either foot by the time he was 6 years of age. The fact he was from South Kerry is a complete coincidence. His club and his parents deserve credit for that. By the time his adult career came around he never had to worry about hitting short range frees because his technique was so good - even if he slightly mis-hit it he'd still score.
If you look at Aidan O Se- he's a big strong fielder of the ball who probably dominated underage matches through size alone and never refined his skills because of it. He simply wasn't trained as well as Fitzgerald. Diarmuid Connolly was scoring with two feet when he played for Scoil Mhuire. By the time he got to 15/16 he could score off either foot from 45 yards.
Its was a test of Aidan's skill- he's not a freetaker for Mayo. So he had to kick a static free in front of a big crowd under pressure and his technique failed him. that's nothing to do with being from Mayo.
I've seen plenty of Dublin players doing it. My comment about Mayo players in the thread was tongue in cheek. Jesus don't take it so personally.
Your comments (plural) weren't tongue on cheek, they were knob on forehead.
Quote from: muppet on November 25, 2014, 09:48:37 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 25, 2014, 07:48:17 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on November 25, 2014, 01:30:24 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 24, 2014, 07:36:35 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on November 24, 2014, 06:57:30 PM
Ah listen.. The pick of ireland wouldnt give kilkenny a decent game of hurling. They cant play football!! Fellas here talking about the all blacks.. They dont play football!! Talking about belgiun soccer.. They dont play football! We play football!! The aussies who dont play football outscored us in a fair game that is as near to our game as dammit.. Thats the truth. We had county players kicking 2om frees wide right in front of goals made 3 times bigger. Players failing to kick ten yard passes player kicking frees straight to the aussies! Short kicks! Thats not good enough. The guy whos name is on that cup was better than that and he deserves better. Its our cup and they have it! No excuses abiut underage training or any other shite will excuse what we saw
Problem is lawnseed your post is 20 years out of date. If you don't know why the skills were executed badly then you never improve. Are you from Mayo?
Enlighten me ind why does a player lawded by pundits and managers kick a free wide of goals that are 30m wide when hes less than 30m from infront of them? Its inexcuseable. Fellas like maurice fitz would have stuck it in the net.. On saturday past or 20 years ago
Pure technique. Maurice harnessed his ability to kick a football from a very young age and could kick the ball with either foot by the time he was 6 years of age. The fact he was from South Kerry is a complete coincidence. His club and his parents deserve credit for that. By the time his adult career came around he never had to worry about hitting short range frees because his technique was so good - even if he slightly mis-hit it he'd still score.
If you look at Aidan O Se- he's a big strong fielder of the ball who probably dominated underage matches through size alone and never refined his skills because of it. He simply wasn't trained as well as Fitzgerald. Diarmuid Connolly was scoring with two feet when he played for Scoil Mhuire. By the time he got to 15/16 he could score off either foot from 45 yards.
Its was a test of Aidan's skill- he's not a freetaker for Mayo. So he had to kick a static free in front of a big crowd under pressure and his technique failed him. that's nothing to do with being from Mayo.
I've seen plenty of Dublin players doing it. My comment about Mayo players in the thread was tongue in cheek. Jesus don't take it so personally.
Your comments (plural) weren't tongue on cheek, they were knob on forehead.
I suppose to the intellectually paranoid I suppose you're right
I think it's like everything else, there's a middle ground. I find drills are important for the *teaching* element. It allows you to introduce the skill and have lads execute it in a controlled environment to at least get comfortable with the idea of what they are trying to do.
After that, drills or conditioned games, or whatever you call it, the idea as far as I'm concerned is to execute the skills they are learning in a scenario that provides them loads of touches of the ball, in a dynamic setting. So regardless of what you actually call them, I think little games (even there are no 'goalposts' as such) are the best way of learning and becoming proficient with the skills. i.e. 'practice'.
In hurling, one of the most effective 'drills' we do is a blast from my childhood. It's basically '2 goals and in' for under 8s. We split them into groups of 3, and basically we play a game of 1 v 1 with a goalie, and when someone scores 2 goals they go in and the goalie comes out. To do this properly, you need to try and make the groups fairly even so that one lad is not getting completely hammered every time, but there's no harm if he is getting it hard, we always tell them that's how they get better. When they finally score a goal against a 'better' lad, you should see them celebrate :)
In football, we try to work on kicking and catching primarily. I don't really even do much on the fist pass at that age. We've introduced it, but we don't really work on it as such. One of the games the kids like in this is sort of like 'donkey' for teams. Have 2 rectangles about 15 metres apart. Make the rectangles big enough that a team of 4 or 5 will have to move around a bit to cover it. Have a team in each rectangle, with a couple of footballs. Team A has to kick a high ball that goes at least the 15 metres. They get a point if the opposing team let it hit the ground inside the rectangle. We've found it helps with accurate kicking, as lads look for the gaps; catching, obviously; and also teamwork as lads have to work with each other to make sure they don't all go for the one ball.
Someone above said something I agree 100% with, and it's a huge bugbear of mine. I hate to see lads (at any grade) standing around behind a cone waiting for their turn. It's bad enough for an adult, but for a child it's just a recipe for disaster. Have loads of sliotars (1 per child) and footballs (1 per 2 children) and make your 'drills' or 'games' in such a way that everyone is having a touch, or a kick, or a puc, as quickly as possible.
If you're like us, you'll only have the kids for 1 hour maybe twice a week. You can't legislate for how much they are practicing at home so it stands to reason that you want them to kick or puck the ball as much as possible in your sessions. A ball a man, and fluid 'games' are the way to ensure that.
Also if you are playing a traditional type games (by that I mean Team A v Team B with goals and points) try and keep the games as small as possible. 4 v4 or 5v5 at u6 level, 5v5 or 6v6 at U7 and 7v7 at U8.
Seeing as how someone mentioned South Kerry, I was at an U10 blitz down there this summer, and I thought they had a brilliant rule. They give 1 point for a 'goal' and 3 points for a 'point'. It really was evident how the young lads and ladies were trying to kick points from 20 metres out, instead of running it in for goals.
The international rules game brought back some good memories how have football used to be played for me.
Long kick-outs, battles for possession, high fielding on occasion, long punts up the pitch, man on man. God I miss that type of football.
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 26, 2014, 09:55:05 AM
Seeing as how someone mentioned South Kerry, I was at an U10 blitz down there this summer, and I thought they had a brilliant rule. They give 1 point for a 'goal' and 3 points for a 'point'. It really was evident how the young lads and ladies were trying to kick points from 20 metres out, instead of running it in for goals.
That's a great idea. YOu get so many kids at that age thta can just run through people as they're so big. If they'd to go for points it'd be much better for skills development.
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 26, 2014, 09:55:05 AM
Seeing as how someone mentioned South Kerry, I was at an U10 blitz down there this summer, and I thought they had a brilliant rule. They give 1 point for a 'goal' and 3 points for a 'point'. It really was evident how the young lads and ladies were trying to kick points from 20 metres out, instead of running it in for goals.
The poor little goalies.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on November 26, 2014, 09:56:30 AM
The international rules game brought back some good memories how have football used to be played for me.
Long kick-outs, battles for possession, high fielding on occasion, long punts up the pitch, man on man. God I miss that type of football.
And very few stoppages.
The third and fourth quarters flew by once the Irish lads started to play as well.
Was it a case of being stifled by tactics in the first 2 quarters and then they just went out and played after half time.
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 26, 2014, 09:55:05 AM
Seeing as how someone mentioned South Kerry, I was at an U10 blitz down there this summer, and I thought they had a brilliant rule. They give 1 point for a 'goal' and 3 points for a 'point'. It really was evident how the young lads and ladies were trying to kick points from 20 metres out, instead of running it in for goals.
That's standard rule everywhere for all Go Games matches from u10s up.
Not in Tipp!!
I think Jim mcguinness would be a good appointment as manager for the next couple of series. who makes the appointments and how long was Early given?
there should be no goalies at U8 and U10 - no need for goalies, who get very few touches per game. Kick the ball over the bar should be the game and set up two poles for 'behinds' either side of the goal - 3 points for a regular point, 1 point for a behind.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 26, 2014, 04:57:43 PM
there should be no goalies at U8 and U10 - no need for goalies, who get very few touches per game. Kick the ball over the bar should be the game and set up two poles for 'behinds' either side of the goal - 3 points for a regular point, 1 point for a behind.
You could even have a different kinda ball for the kids, one like this maybe?
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRccv5G8TaxYVfeen52hTUgXDdOLxR_bbUUZ8TpFj6BwSHcGQkonxWbtS_p)
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 26, 2014, 05:23:38 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 26, 2014, 04:57:43 PM
there should be no goalies at U8 and U10 - no need for goalies, who get very few touches per game. Kick the ball over the bar should be the game and set up two poles for 'behinds' either side of the goal - 3 points for a regular point, 1 point for a behind.
You could even have a different kinda ball for the kids, one like this maybe?
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRccv5G8TaxYVfeen52hTUgXDdOLxR_bbUUZ8TpFj6BwSHcGQkonxWbtS_p)
I've used this layout with kids in hurling and football - it works.
It encourages kicking for points, and you could modify to give double points for the weaker foot
Quote from: Jinxy on November 24, 2014, 10:16:21 PM
makey-uppey game
I've never understood this criticism. All sports are man-made. Show me a sport that is not "makey-uppey."
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 26, 2014, 08:42:39 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 24, 2014, 10:16:21 PM
makey-uppey game
I've never understood this criticism. All sports are man-made. Show me a sport that is not "makey-uppey."
fighting
as old as humans
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 26, 2014, 08:42:39 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 24, 2014, 10:16:21 PM
makey-uppey game
I've never understood this criticism. All sports are man-made. Show me a sport that is not "makey-uppey."
Darts.
Quote from: giveherlong on November 26, 2014, 03:09:14 PM
I think Jim mcguinness would be a good appointment as manager for the next couple of series. who makes the appointments and how long was Early given?
There won't be a game of club or inter county championship football played before December if Jim gets that job.
Quote from: Napper on November 26, 2014, 11:19:57 PM
Quote from: giveherlong on November 26, 2014, 03:09:14 PM
I think Jim mcguinness would be a good appointment as manager for the next couple of series. who makes the appointments and how long was Early given?
There won't be a game of club or inter county championship football played before December if Jim gets that job.
Ha very good
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 26, 2014, 09:55:05 AM
Seeing as how someone mentioned South Kerry, I was at an U10 blitz down there this summer, and I thought they had a brilliant rule. They give 1 point for a 'goal' and 3 points for a 'point'. It really was evident how the young lads and ladies were trying to kick points from 20 metres out, instead of running it in for goals.
As Hill 16 Blues said that's common practice as far as I know and something we do here in Britain a lot. However, one thing I found was that players ended up kicking the ball over the bar from 2 feet out so we introduced a semi circle of cones around each goal about 20m away from the goal at it's high point. Inside the semi circle a goal = 2 and a point = 1, outside the semi circle a point = 4 and a goal = 1. We don't use it all the time but it works very well in my opinion.