http://thedailyedge.thejournal.ie/how-well-do-you-actually-know-ireland-1651749-Sep2014/
At least one of these questions is a bit suspect, but I got 8.
10 missed the first one.
Got 8 - missed out on identifying Croagh Patrick and misunderstood the border question - got something else wrong as well.
10/11- missed "biggest population question"
Had Geography bet into me by the De La Salle brothere
9/11. Didn't see there was 5 options for population one.
I have an issue with the border counties question. Does Down have an actual land border with Louth? I don't think it does.
Also, isn't part of Belfast in Co Down?
2 of those answers look sus. Down is not a border county so surely there are only 9 border counties. Also one of the questions relies on Belfast being entirely in Antrim which by a distance it does not. Perhaps those behind the questions are fresh off the boat themselves?
Quote from: LCohen on September 08, 2014, 07:49:53 PM
2 of those answers look sus. Down is not a border county so surely there are only 9 border counties. Also one of the questions relies on Belfast being entirely in Antrim which by a distance it does not. Perhaps those behind the questions are fresh off the boat themselves?
I got 9/9 then ;D
Definitely the bit about Belfast is suspect, if they had the biggest bar Antrim and Dublin that would have been slightly less misleading.
As for Down not being a border county, this is a matter of opinion. Narrow water would be a short bridge, a bit like Lifford Bridge.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 08, 2014, 08:05:13 PM
Definitely the bit about Belfast is suspect, if they had the biggest bar Antrim and Dublin that would have been slightly less misleading.
As for Down not being a border county, this is a matter of opinion. Narrow water would be a short bridge, a bit like Lifford Bridge.
Bridge or not. That's still not a land border.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2014, 08:16:25 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 08, 2014, 08:05:13 PM
Definitely the bit about Belfast is suspect, if they had the biggest bar Antrim and Dublin that would have been slightly less misleading.
As for Down not being a border county, this is a matter of opinion. Narrow water would be a short bridge, a bit like Lifford Bridge.
Bridge or not. That's still not a land border.
Did the question mention a land border?
Quote from: armaghniac on September 08, 2014, 08:33:36 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2014, 08:16:25 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 08, 2014, 08:05:13 PM
Definitely the bit about Belfast is suspect, if they had the biggest bar Antrim and Dublin that would have been slightly less misleading.
As for Down not being a border county, this is a matter of opinion. Narrow water would be a short bridge, a bit like Lifford Bridge.
Bridge or not. That's still not a land border.
Did the question mention a land border?
No but if you apply the same logic, Wexford has a border with Wales and Antrim with Scotland.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2014, 08:46:06 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 08, 2014, 08:33:36 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2014, 08:16:25 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 08, 2014, 08:05:13 PM
Definitely the bit about Belfast is suspect, if they had the biggest bar Antrim and Dublin that would have been slightly less misleading.
As for Down not being a border county, this is a matter of opinion. Narrow water would be a short bridge, a bit like Lifford Bridge.
Bridge or not. That's still not a land border.
Did the question mention a land border?
No but if you apply the same logic, Wexford has a border with Wales and Antrim with Scotland.
Not so, the county boundary runs down the middle of rivers, but does not extend out to sea.
Hardly surprising that it Down that is causing the trouble here though. :P
Got 9, missed the first one and got the cliffs question wrong as well.
Didn't get any correct.
I choose not to answer the border question out of principle ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
The cliffs and biggest population beat me.Went for Cork
The mountain one was easy. Recognise that sheep anywhere.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 08, 2014, 08:48:44 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2014, 08:46:06 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 08, 2014, 08:33:36 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2014, 08:16:25 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 08, 2014, 08:05:13 PM
Definitely the bit about Belfast is suspect, if they had the biggest bar Antrim and Dublin that would have been slightly less misleading.
As for Down not being a border county, this is a matter of opinion. Narrow water would be a short bridge, a bit like Lifford Bridge.
Bridge or not. That's still not a land border.
Did the question mention a land border?
No but if you apply the same logic, Wexford has a border with Wales and Antrim with Scotland.
Not so, the county boundary runs down the middle of rivers, but does not extend out to sea.
Hardly surprising that it Down that is causing the trouble here though. :P
Down is simply not a border county and is not separated from louth by any river
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 08, 2014, 09:03:46 PM
Got 9, missed the first one and got the cliffs question wrong as well.
If you'd watched the Red Bull Cliff Diving Championships this weekend you'd have gotten it right
Quote from: LCohen on September 08, 2014, 09:18:31 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 08, 2014, 08:48:44 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2014, 08:46:06 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 08, 2014, 08:33:36 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2014, 08:16:25 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 08, 2014, 08:05:13 PM
Definitely the bit about Belfast is suspect, if they had the biggest bar Antrim and Dublin that would have been slightly less misleading.
As for Down not being a border county, this is a matter of opinion. Narrow water would be a short bridge, a bit like Lifford Bridge.
Bridge or not. That's still not a land border.
Did the question mention a land border?
No but if you apply the same logic, Wexford has a border with Wales and Antrim with Scotland.
Not so, the county boundary runs down the middle of rivers, but does not extend out to sea.
Hardly surprising that it Down that is causing the trouble here though. :P
Down is simply not a border county and is not separated from louth by any river
You must have studied geography in Violet Hill.
Refer to the map http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,711905,819406,5,7
8. Missed the first one, population one and border ome
I got the border one wrong, but I actually got it right. There are 9 border counties, the quiz is flawed. Down is not a border county.
Border counties
Armagh
Louth
Monaghan
Tyrone
Cavan
Fermanagh
Sligo
Derry
Donegal
What's the other one?
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on September 09, 2014, 10:10:18 PM
Border counties
Armagh
Louth
Monaghan
Tyrone
Cavan
Fermanagh
Sligo
Derry
Donegal
What's the other one?
Not Sligo, Leitrim.
Surely it's Laytrim
Sligo and Down are not border counties. Leitrim is.
There must be a border at carlingford surely? Thats not the Irish sea
The croagh patrick one was handy
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 10, 2014, 02:47:12 PM
There must be a border at carlingford surely? Thats not the Irish sea
The croagh patrick one was handy
The Louth/Armagh border is north of Omeath, roughly opposite Narrow Water castle. So Louth and Down are separated by Carlingford Lough but no land border.
But surely part of Carlingford Lough is in Down and part of it is in Louth? The two have to meet somewhere?
Interestingly (at least to me) this is the real map of Ireland (the red line), we're bigger than Germany
(http://europeanenergygeographies.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/the-e28098real_-map-of-ireland-with-220-million-acres-under-the-sea.jpg)
Down and Louth have a border, what more do you want?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 10, 2014, 05:02:36 PM
But surely part of Carlingford Lough is in Down and part of it is in Louth? The two have to meet somewhere?
Interestingly (at least to me) this is the real map of Ireland (the red line), we're bigger than Germany
(http://europeanenergygeographies.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/the-e28098real_-map-of-ireland-with-220-million-acres-under-the-sea.jpg)
Yea, our fish army would kick their fish army's ass!
QuoteYea, our fish army would kick their fish army's ass!
I think we should send an expedition to Rockall before Scotland gets a navy organised.
Quote from: LCohen on September 08, 2014, 09:18:31 PM
Down is simply not a border county and is not separated from louth by any river
They are separated by the Newry River. That there is no bridge between them is irrelevant. A border does not depend on a bridge.
If you say Down does not border Louth, the logical follow on is that Tipperary does not border Clare*, and there are several other examples along the Shannon where the entire border between counties is made up of river.
It would also mean that Armagh is a coastal county**.
*Tipperary does border Clare.
**Armagh is not a coastal county.
I'm a blow in - 5 right.
Jesus lads it's very simple, you cannot drive or walk from Louth to Down without going through Armagh. Therefore Down does not border Louth.
You can swim from down to Louth without going through any other county
No I can't. I can hardly swim across the pool.
Quote from: Feckitt on September 10, 2014, 09:56:13 PM
Jesus lads it's very simple, you cannot drive or walk from Louth to Down without going through Armagh. Therefore Down does not border Louth.
So if they build a bridge from Carlingford over to Down, then it suddenly does border? I think a river is a natural border, almost by definition. That's how borders are drawn a lot down the country. Offaly borders Galway via a river, and Roscommon. Tipp borders Clare. The list goes on. I don't think the fact that there is a bridge there means there's a border. If the bridge in Shannonbridge got knocked down, would we no longer border Roscommon?
Is it (the Down-Louth divide) a river or an inlet of the sea? Is it salt or fresh water? Where does it become tidal? What defines the point at which we distinguish between a river border and a sea barrier, in the way that Offaly borders Galway but Britain doesn't border France?
It is not seperated by a river, it is seperated by Carlingford Lough! Much the same as that Clare does not border Kerry or Donegal does not border Sligo.
Can anyone tell me where abouts in Down would you live, for you to live on the border? No you can't! End of!
Maybe so. But in my opinion, if you can puck a sliotar from one side to the other, you can fairly say it borders Louth. It's fair narrow there just in from Warranpoint.
Where it narrows between Warrenpoint and Newry is not the Down/Louth border, it's the Down/Armagh border.
Quote from: Feckitt on September 11, 2014, 12:09:32 PM
It is not seperated by a river, it is seperated by Carlingford Lough! Much the same as that Clare does not border Kerry or Donegal does not border Sligo.
Can anyone tell me where abouts in Down would you live, for you to live on the border? No you can't! End of!
So Armagh has a coastline?
Quote from: Feckitt on September 11, 2014, 12:09:32 PM
It is not seperated by a river, it is seperated by Carlingford Lough! Much the same as that Clare does not border Kerry or Donegal does not border Sligo.
Can anyone tell me where abouts in Down would you live, for you to live on the border? No you can't! End of!
Kerry and Clare and are not known as border Counties or Donegal and Sligo, but Down and Louth are
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCounty_Down&ei=54gRVIbsLeOI7AbBw4GICA&usg=AFQjCNG6arH4JN27lEdkvlkvjVkHPE6faw&bvm=bv.74894050,d.ZGU
Quote from: Sidney on September 11, 2014, 12:39:56 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on September 11, 2014, 12:09:32 PM
It is not seperated by a river, it is seperated by Carlingford Lough! Much the same as that Clare does not border Kerry or Donegal does not border Sligo.
Can anyone tell me where abouts in Down would you live, for you to live on the border? No you can't! End of!
So Armagh has a coastline?
Yes, the shortest coastline of any county in Ireland.
Quote from: Feckitt on September 11, 2014, 12:41:30 PM
Quote from: Sidney on September 11, 2014, 12:39:56 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on September 11, 2014, 12:09:32 PM
It is not seperated by a river, it is seperated by Carlingford Lough! Much the same as that Clare does not border Kerry or Donegal does not border Sligo.
Can anyone tell me where abouts in Down would you live, for you to live on the border? No you can't! End of!
So Armagh has a coastline?
Yes, the shortest coastline of any county in Ireland.
Does Kilkenny have a coastline?
Quote from: Sidney on September 11, 2014, 12:44:40 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on September 11, 2014, 12:41:30 PM
Quote from: Sidney on September 11, 2014, 12:39:56 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on September 11, 2014, 12:09:32 PM
It is not seperated by a river, it is seperated by Carlingford Lough! Much the same as that Clare does not border Kerry or Donegal does not border Sligo.
Can anyone tell me where abouts in Down would you live, for you to live on the border? No you can't! End of!
So Armagh has a coastline?
Yes, the shortest coastline of any county in Ireland.
Does Kilkenny have a coastline?
Yep. It's where they bury all the footballs.
Quote from: Feckitt on September 11, 2014, 12:37:45 PM
Where it narrows between Warrenpoint and Newry is not the Down/Louth border, it's the Down/Armagh border.
Really? (That's not sarcasm by the way). It looks on maps as if that is louth. I'll see if I can paste an image I'm looking at here.
Here you are. This is from Mapquest or one of those sites. The Green Line is the border to the wee six. It looks like it gets narrow just in from Warranpoint, but before Armagh comes into the equation.
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c358/AZOffaly/LouthArmaghDown.png)
Quote from: Hardy on September 11, 2014, 12:46:02 PM
Quote from: Sidney on September 11, 2014, 12:44:40 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on September 11, 2014, 12:41:30 PM
Quote from: Sidney on September 11, 2014, 12:39:56 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on September 11, 2014, 12:09:32 PM
It is not seperated by a river, it is seperated by Carlingford Lough! Much the same as that Clare does not border Kerry or Donegal does not border Sligo.
Can anyone tell me where abouts in Down would you live, for you to live on the border? No you can't! End of!
So Armagh has a coastline?
Yes, the shortest coastline of any county in Ireland.
Does Kilkenny have a coastline?
Yep. It's where they bury all the footballs.
But they don't have any footballs to bury.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Down#mediaviewer/File:Island_of_Ireland_location_map_Down.svg
What I've gathered from this discussion is that Pairc Ui Chaoimh is actually by the sea, not the river, given that it is below the last bridge on the Lee.
What about this?
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cairnduff/maps.html (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cairnduff/maps.html)
Is this true??? About Clanrye River? If so, it looks like Narrow Water is between Louth and Down. Wasn't there a bridge mooted for there?
QuoteNarrow Water Castle (Irish: Caisleán an Chaoil;[1] Ulster-Scots: Narra Wattèr)[2] is a famous 16th-century tower house and bawn near Warrenpoint in Northern Ireland. It is beside the A2 road and on the County Down bank of the Clanrye River, which enters Carlingford Lough a mile to the south. Narrow Water Castle was given into state care in 1956. It is a state care historic monument in the townland of Narrow Water, in Newry and Mourne District Council district, at grid ref: J1256 1939.[3]
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 11, 2014, 12:34:10 PM
Maybe so. But in my opinion, if you can puck a sliotar from one side to the other, you can fairly say it borders Louth. It's fair narrow there just in from Warranpoint.
Yes, I think that's the official measurement used by that Ordenance Survey crowd. For catholic areas, anyway ;D
And rightly so :) The actual measurement is 1 BCP. 1 Brendan Cummins Puck.
I posted the link to the OS map earlier, what more do you want?
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 11, 2014, 11:45:50 AM
Quote from: Feckitt on September 10, 2014, 09:56:13 PM
Jesus lads it's very simple, you cannot drive or walk from Louth to Down without going through Armagh. Therefore Down does not border Louth.
So if they build a bridge from Carlingford over to Down, then it suddenly does border? I think a river is a natural border, almost by definition. That's how borders are drawn a lot down the country. Offaly borders Galway via a river, and Roscommon. Tipp borders Clare. The list goes on. I don't think the fact that there is a bridge there means there's a border. If the bridge in Shannonbridge got knocked down, would we no longer border Roscommon?
You must resist the temptation.