Poll
Question:
Who will win the All-Ireland?
Option 1: Donegal
votes: 11
Option 2: Dublin
votes: 10
Option 3: Kerry
votes: 16
Option 4: Mayo
votes: 22
All to be played on August Bank Holiday weekend:
Roscommon v Donegal
Mayo v Armagh
Dublin v Cork
Kerry v Kildare
The semi-finals brackets are Ros/Donegal v Dub/Cork and Mayo/Armagh v Kerry/Kildare.
Wins for Donegal,Mayo,Kerry and Dublin. The semi finals will be harder to call.
Donegal steamrolled Armagh today by all accounts.
Hopefully we can avoid an embarrassment in the Quarters. :-[
Just looking there, Was every Provincial title this season a Senior/Minor Double?
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 20, 2014, 09:09:44 PM
Just looking there, Was every Provincial title this season a Senior/Minor Double?
A first?
Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2014, 09:25:57 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 20, 2014, 09:09:44 PM
Just looking there, Was every Provincial title this season a Senior/Minor Double?
A first?
I'd say it is. Kerry do doubles nearly every second year. Mayo/Galway/Ros do it here and there. Dublin/Meath have a few. But in Ulster I'd say they are few and far between, bar Tyrone recently and Cavan in the past.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 20, 2014, 10:10:37 PM
I'd say it is. Kerry do doubles nearly every second year. Mayo/Galway/Ros do it here and there. Dublin/Meath have a few. But in Ulster I'd say they are few and far between, bar Tyrone recently and Cavan in the past.
Monaghan last year, Tyrone did it several times and Armagh in 2005. Cavan have won relatively few minor titles compared to their ancient haul of senior titles.
Saturday 2nd August
Roscommon v Donegal
3-00pm Markievicz Park
Sunday 3rd August
Mayo v Armagh
12-00 noon Croke Park
Monday 4th August
Dublin v Cork
2-00pm Semple Stadium
Kerry v Kildare
3-45pm Semple Stadium
An AIQF in Connacht. Lovely. What sort of support do the Donegal minors get?
Quote from: drici on July 21, 2014, 03:00:35 PM
Saturday 2nd August
Roscommon v Donegal
3-00pm Markievicz Park
Ahhh bolx... I was hoping for the Monday as I may not be around.
Quote from: drici on July 21, 2014, 03:00:35 PM
Sunday 3rd August
Mayo v Armagh
12-00 noon Croke Park
That minor game should have been a triple header with
Armagh v Meath
Mayo v Cork/Sligo
Quote from: Rossfan on July 21, 2014, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: drici on July 21, 2014, 03:00:35 PM
Saturday 2nd August
Roscommon v Donegal
3-00pm Markievicz Park
Ahhh bolx... I was hoping for the Monday as I may not be around.
Got a wedding to go to on the Saturday.. in Sligo Town. Beautiful. I won't be stickin' around for the priest to blather for long.
Quote from: Syferus on July 21, 2014, 07:34:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 21, 2014, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: drici on July 21, 2014, 03:00:35 PM
Saturday 2nd August
Roscommon v Donegal
3-00pm Markievicz Park
Ahhh bolx... I was hoping for the Monday as I may not be around.
Got a wedding to go to on the Saturday.. in Sligo Town. Beautiful. I won't be stickin' around for the priest to blather for long.
Your parents ? ;)
Quote from: Syferus on July 21, 2014, 03:07:34 PM
An AIQF in Connacht. Lovely. What sort of support do the Donegal minors get?
I'm sure they'll hardly get a space to stand up such is the monstrous Roscommon support.
It'll be another spin for the bus.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 21, 2014, 10:22:58 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 21, 2014, 03:07:34 PM
An AIQF in Connacht. Lovely. What sort of support do the Donegal minors get?
I'm sure they'll hardly get a space to stand up such is the monstrous Roscommon support.
Now yer learnin', Farr.
Can't see us having the usual big support at this.
A combination of Saturday at 3, holidays, poor team with no great expectations, disappointment after last Saturday and people being out the previous 2 Saturdays.
And of course the South Ros crowd would get vertigo once they pass Boyle. ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on July 22, 2014, 11:15:00 AM
Can't see us having the usual big support at this.
A combination of Saturday at 3, holidays, poor team with no great expectations, disappointment after last Saturday and people being out the previous 2 Saturdays.
And of course the South Ros crowd would get vertigo once they pass Boyle. ;D
You're fairly running down a team that beat the Leitrim globetrotters and led Mayo in a Connacht final in McHale with ten minutes to go. There's a few gems on this team, much like many other years.
A few good ones - like most underage teams - but overall an average team which means poor by our recent standards.
As for leading with 10 minutes to go - do you get prizes for that? We let in 1-6 in them 10 minutes :-\
Quote from: Rossfan on July 22, 2014, 11:15:00 AM
Can't see us having the usual big support at this.
A combination of Saturday at 3, holidays, poor team with no great expectations, disappointment after last Saturday and people being out the previous 2 Saturdays.
And of course the South Ros crowd would get vertigo once they pass Boyle. ;D
If we can negotiate the bends outside Boyle we'll be in business.Will be a poor Ross crowd.Shame because these lads have worked hard as any of the other teams,despite their shortcomings.
It's a shame the Mayo minors are on so early for all the fans who will be travelling to Croke Park on Sunday. I hope that a sizeable amount of them are there early to cheer on the back to back Connacht champions.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 28, 2014, 11:54:51 PM
It's a shame the Mayo minors are on so early for all the fans who will be travelling to Croke Park on Sunday. I hope that a sizeable amount of them are there early to cheer on the back to back Connacht champions.
Allot of people not happy with the fixture layout. I know allot of Mayo people who have said they will only go in for the Mayo/Cork game itself as 6 hours of football is too much. Mad thing of all is that it has turned allot of Mayo fans off going at all to Dublin they are so annoyed.
It's a bit daft alright the fixture lay out. But turned them off going to Dublin. Are you serious.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 29, 2014, 12:21:48 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 28, 2014, 11:54:51 PM
It's a shame the Mayo minors are on so early for all the fans who will be travelling to Croke Park on Sunday. I hope that a sizeable amount of them are there early to cheer on the back to back Connacht champions.
Allot of people not happy with the fixture layout. I know allot of Mayo people who have said they will only go in for the Mayo/Cork game itself as 6 hours of football is too much. Mad thing of all is that it has turned allot of Mayo fans off going at all to Dublin they are so annoyed.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 29, 2014, 12:21:48 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 28, 2014, 11:54:51 PM
It's a shame the Mayo minors are on so early for all the fans who will be travelling to Croke Park on Sunday. I hope that a sizeable amount of them are there early to cheer on the back to back Connacht champions.
Allot of people not happy with the fixture layout. I know allot of Mayo people who have said they will only go in for the Mayo/Cork game itself as 6 hours of football is too much. Mad thing of all is that it has turned allot of Mayo fans off going at all to Dublin they are so annoyed.
Yer complaining about having both games on one bill?
The lady doth protest too much..
Hopefully Mayo will have little to cheer about in the Minor, but I imagine they will.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 29, 2014, 12:21:48 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 28, 2014, 11:54:51 PM
It's a shame the Mayo minors are on so early for all the fans who will be travelling to Croke Park on Sunday. I hope that a sizeable amount of them are there early to cheer on the back to back Connacht champions.
Allot of people not happy with the fixture layout. I know allot of Mayo people who have said they will only go in for the Mayo/Cork game itself as 6 hours of football is too much. Mad thing of all is that it has turned allot of Mayo fans off going at all to Dublin they are so annoyed.
Ffs, 6 hours of football is too much?? :o If you have small kids then maybe but it sounds like some people will complain about anything
Quote from: Syferus on July 29, 2014, 12:36:08 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 29, 2014, 12:21:48 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 28, 2014, 11:54:51 PM
It's a shame the Mayo minors are on so early for all the fans who will be travelling to Croke Park on Sunday. I hope that a sizeable amount of them are there early to cheer on the back to back Connacht champions.
Allot of people not happy with the fixture layout. I know allot of Mayo people who have said they will only go in for the Mayo/Cork game itself as 6 hours of football is too much. Mad thing of all is that it has turned allot of Mayo fans off going at all to Dublin they are so annoyed.
Yer complaining about having both games on one bill?
The lady doth protest too much..
Ah, quarter finals and semi finals are family days out. A chance for the whole family to go to Croker together. A day like Sunday with the kids would be a nightmare!
Well don't go to the first game or the second game for that matter if it's such a nightmare. Christ above would you be happy if the minors and seniors were two different days
Or if they werent there at all?
Some people have f**k all to be complaining about. Its not like the galway/kerry match is some muck that you have to endure either
I cant wait
Looking forward to it alright. Obviously allot of posters here don't have young children. If I was on my own, I'd have no bother with the fixture. But there are more logistics with a family day out. I know the timetable for the day is to suit Television Audiences rather than the paying fan into the game. That's just a fact of life. Just don't know why the Mayo/Cork game has to be the last game of the day? Could it not be just after the Minor Match?
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 29, 2014, 01:08:10 PM
. Just don't know why the Mayo/Cork game has to be the last game of the day? Could it not be just after the Minor Match?
Totally silly scheduling.
Anyone goin to Markypark at all?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2014, 05:03:05 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 29, 2014, 01:08:10 PM
. Just don't know why the Mayo/Cork game has to be the last game of the day? Could it not be just after the Minor Match?
Totally silly scheduling.
Anyone goin to Markypark at all?
It's not a proper minor season unless we get to Croke Park to lose a game we should have won. Ros by 10.
And with the U16s play the Fancy Dans in the Ted Webb final on Monday (both Mayo teams failed to even make the Ted Webb cup competition, by the way lads) it could be a good weekend for us..
Quote from: Syferus on July 29, 2014, 05:22:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2014, 05:03:05 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 29, 2014, 01:08:10 PM
. Just don't know why the Mayo/Cork game has to be the last game of the day? Could it not be just after the Minor Match?
Totally silly scheduling.
Anyone goin to Markypark at all?
It's not a proper minor season unless we get to Croke Park to lose a game we should have won. Ros by 10.
And with the U16s play the Fancy Dans in the Ted Webb final on Monday (both Mayo teams failed to even make the Ted Webb cup competition, by the way lads) it could be a good weekend for us..
10 points??
What are you basing that on? Have these teams met already?
Quote from: J70 on July 29, 2014, 06:21:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 29, 2014, 05:22:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2014, 05:03:05 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 29, 2014, 01:08:10 PM
. Just don't know why the Mayo/Cork game has to be the last game of the day? Could it not be just after the Minor Match?
Totally silly scheduling.
Anyone goin to Markypark at all?
It's not a proper minor season unless we get to Croke Park to lose a game we should have won. Ros by 10.
And with the U16s play the Fancy Dans in the Ted Webb final on Monday (both Mayo teams failed to even make the Ted Webb cup competition, by the way lads) it could be a good weekend for us..
10 points??
What are you basing that on? Have these teams met already?
Sarcasm, buck, sarcasm. Sure we lost the Connacht final by eight..
I hear these Donegal ladeens haven't lost at u16 or U17 on the way up. It would be nice to give Tír Chonaill's chosen ones a challenge.
Quote from: Syferus on July 29, 2014, 06:31:50 PM
I hear these Donegal ladeens haven't lost at u16 or U17 on the way up. It would be nice to give Tír Chonaill's chosen ones a challenge.
Nice. But improbable.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 29, 2014, 06:46:14 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 29, 2014, 06:31:50 PM
I hear these Donegal ladeens haven't lost at u16 or U17 on the way up. It would be nice to give Tír Chonaill's chosen ones a challenge.
Nice. But improbable.
Still a better chance than ye have against Mayo.
Don't know what the ROS minor team is like but it's going to take a very good team to beat Donegal imo.
Quote from: Armamike on July 29, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
Don't know what the ROS minor team is like but it's going to take a very good team to beat Donegal imo.
Rossies by 10+
Quote from: Armamike on July 29, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
Don't know what the ROS minor team is like but it's going to take a very good team to beat Donegal imo.
We have the antidote for it down here..but Dublin may get there before us.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on July 29, 2014, 11:40:55 PM
Quote from: Armamike on July 29, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
Don't know what the ROS minor team is like but it's going to take a very good team to beat Donegal imo.
We have the antidote for it down here..but Dublin may get there before us.
Worry about Kildare first. If this year's foals have more brains to them than last year ye could be home and hosed before Jacko sees sight of Croke Park.
Quote from: Syferus on July 29, 2014, 05:22:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2014, 05:03:05 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 29, 2014, 01:08:10 PM
. Just don't know why the Mayo/Cork game has to be the last game of the day? Could it not be just after the Minor Match?
Totally silly scheduling.
Anyone goin to Markypark at all?
It's not a proper minor season unless we get to Croke Park to lose a game we should have won. Ros by 10.
And with the U16s play the Fancy Dans in the Ted Webb final on Monday (both Mayo teams failed to even make the Ted Webb cup competition, by the way lads) it could be a good weekend for us..
No surprise there. Things are a mess. Makes last 2 years at minor unbelievable really.
Quote from: Syferus on July 29, 2014, 11:49:14 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on July 29, 2014, 11:40:55 PM
Quote from: Armamike on July 29, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
Don't know what the ROS minor team is like but it's going to take a very good team to beat Donegal imo.
We have the antidote for it down here..but Dublin may get there before us.
Worry about Kildare first. If this year's foals have more brains to them than last year ye could be home and hosed before Jacko sees sight of Croke Park.
What kind of garbled nonsense is that? Kildare are appalling and if we don't beat them by 10 or so it's a bad sign. Dublin will hammer Cork in the other 1/4 final. Dublin v Donegal, Kerry v Mayo in both senior AND minor semis more than likely. Hard to call them all aswell.
Quote from: moysider on July 30, 2014, 12:02:30 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 29, 2014, 05:22:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2014, 05:03:05 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 29, 2014, 01:08:10 PM
. Just don't know why the Mayo/Cork game has to be the last game of the day? Could it not be just after the Minor Match?
Totally silly scheduling.
Anyone goin to Markypark at all?
It's not a proper minor season unless we get to Croke Park to lose a game we should have won. Ros by 10.
And with the U16s play the Fancy Dans in the Ted Webb final on Monday (both Mayo teams failed to even make the Ted Webb cup competition, by the way lads) it could be a good weekend for us..
No surprise there. Things are a mess. Makes last 2 years at minor unbelievable really.
Sure ye (ok, I guess Mayo East-South isn't your 'team' per say.. but still) won the Ted Webb last year with the excellence of young Akram! They beat the best Leitrim team I've seen at any grade in quite some time in the final too.
U21 has had a bad run but ye've ran into very good sides (all the Connacht champions have either won the AI or reached the final the past four years) and apart from this year the U21s haven't embarrassed themselves.
Mayo's underage structure might need some bolts tightening but it's still easily in the top 5-6 in the country.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on July 30, 2014, 12:17:37 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 29, 2014, 11:49:14 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on July 29, 2014, 11:40:55 PM
Quote from: Armamike on July 29, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
Don't know what the ROS minor team is like but it's going to take a very good team to beat Donegal imo.
We have the antidote for it down here..but Dublin may get there before us.
Worry about Kildare first. If this year's foals have more brains to them than last year ye could be home and hosed before Jacko sees sight of Croke Park.
What kind of garbled nonsense is that? Kildare are appalling and if we don't beat them by 10 or so it's a bad sign. Dublin will hammer Cork in the other 1/4 final. Dublin v Donegal, Kerry v Mayo in both senior AND minor semis more than likely. Hard to call them all aswell.
The nonsense is anyone trying to call any minor AIQFs as locks. You really should know better if this isn't your first time around the block.
Quote from: Syferus on July 30, 2014, 12:20:02 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 30, 2014, 12:02:30 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 29, 2014, 05:22:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2014, 05:03:05 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 29, 2014, 01:08:10 PM
. Just don't know why the Mayo/Cork game has to be the last game of the day? Could it not be just after the Minor Match?
Totally silly scheduling.
Anyone goin to Markypark at all?
It's not a proper minor season unless we get to Croke Park to lose a game we should have won. Ros by 10.
And with the U16s play the Fancy Dans in the Ted Webb final on Monday (both Mayo teams failed to even make the Ted Webb cup competition, by the way lads) it could be a good weekend for us..
No surprise there. Things are a mess. Makes last 2 years at minor unbelievable really.
Sure ye (ok, I guess Mayo East-South isn't your 'team' per say.. but still) won the Ted Webb last year with the excellence of young Akram! They beat the best Leitrim team I've seen at any grade in quite some time in the final too.
U21 has had a bad run but ye've ran into very good sides (all the Connacht champions have either won the AI or reached the final the past four years) and apart from this year the U21s haven't embarrassed themselves.
Mayo's underage structure might need some bolts tightening but it's still easily in the top 5-6 in the country.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on July 30, 2014, 12:17:37 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 29, 2014, 11:49:14 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on July 29, 2014, 11:40:55 PM
Quote from: Armamike on July 29, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
Don't know what the ROS minor team is like but it's going to take a very good team to beat Donegal imo.
We have the antidote for it down here..but Dublin may get there before us.
Worry about Kildare first. If this year's foals have more brains to them than last year ye could be home and hosed before Jacko sees sight of Croke Park.
What kind of garbled nonsense is that? Kildare are appalling and if we don't beat them by 10 or so it's a bad sign. Dublin will hammer Cork in the other 1/4 final. Dublin v Donegal, Kerry v Mayo in both senior AND minor semis more than likely. Hard to call them all aswell.
The nonsense is anyone trying to call any minor AIQFs as locks. You really should know better if this isn't your first time around the block.
Not talking about U21. Also not criticising lads that run the 'schools of excellence' or the U16 teams. But it s all very subjective and there is more than a touch of ignorance and nepotism involved in who is sent forward from clubs into these structures.
This leads to kids quitting - ye don t fool kids - if they are not chosen, knowing they are as good if not better than the chosen ones. This is probably the most reason a local club cannot field an U16 team even though they had 2 teams at U14. Kids see through that lickarseen fairly quick. In Mayo this early development craic is losing players rather than developing players. None come back from a summer of development better players.
Its unbelievable. Then there is the club spread in these squads. There is a club I know that is always is well represented at development level. Yet since I was minor age not one of those players went on to play minor championship - let alone senior. No senior player in over 30 years. Yet will be represented in every squad as big as a Mitchels or a Knockmore.
Quote from: moysider on July 30, 2014, 12:42:25 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 30, 2014, 12:20:02 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 30, 2014, 12:02:30 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 29, 2014, 05:22:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2014, 05:03:05 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 29, 2014, 01:08:10 PM
. Just don't know why the Mayo/Cork game has to be the last game of the day? Could it not be just after the Minor Match?
Totally silly scheduling.
Anyone goin to Markypark at all?
It's not a proper minor season unless we get to Croke Park to lose a game we should have won. Ros by 10.
And with the U16s play the Fancy Dans in the Ted Webb final on Monday (both Mayo teams failed to even make the Ted Webb cup competition, by the way lads) it could be a good weekend for us..
No surprise there. Things are a mess. Makes last 2 years at minor unbelievable really.
Sure ye (ok, I guess Mayo East-South isn't your 'team' per say.. but still) won the Ted Webb last year with the excellence of young Akram! They beat the best Leitrim team I've seen at any grade in quite some time in the final too.
U21 has had a bad run but ye've ran into very good sides (all the Connacht champions have either won the AI or reached the final the past four years) and apart from this year the U21s haven't embarrassed themselves.
Mayo's underage structure might need some bolts tightening but it's still easily in the top 5-6 in the country.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on July 30, 2014, 12:17:37 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 29, 2014, 11:49:14 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on July 29, 2014, 11:40:55 PM
Quote from: Armamike on July 29, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
Don't know what the ROS minor team is like but it's going to take a very good team to beat Donegal imo.
We have the antidote for it down here..but Dublin may get there before us.
Worry about Kildare first. If this year's foals have more brains to them than last year ye could be home and hosed before Jacko sees sight of Croke Park.
What kind of garbled nonsense is that? Kildare are appalling and if we don't beat them by 10 or so it's a bad sign. Dublin will hammer Cork in the other 1/4 final. Dublin v Donegal, Kerry v Mayo in both senior AND minor semis more than likely. Hard to call them all aswell.
The nonsense is anyone trying to call any minor AIQFs as locks. You really should know better if this isn't your first time around the block.
Not talking about U21. Also not criticising lads that run the 'schools of excellence' or the U16 teams. But it s all very subjective and there is more than a touch of ignorance and nepotism involved in who is sent forward from clubs into these structures.
This leads to kids quitting - ye don t fool kids - if they are not chosen, knowing they are as good if not better than the chosen ones. This is probably the most reason a local club cannot field an U16 team even though they had 2 teams at U14. Kids see through that lickarseen fairly quick. In Mayo this early development craic is losing players rather than developing players. None come back from a summer of development better players.
Its unbelievable. Then there is the club spread in these squads. There is a club I know that is always is well represented at development level. Yet since I was minor age not one of those players went on to play minor championship - let alone senior. No senior player in over 30 years. Yet will be represented in every squad as big as a Mitchels or a Knockmore.
I suppose we've never had as much room for politics given the size of our pick and certainly in recent years a lot of key players at underage have been coming from junior or intermediate clubs. At times huge clubs (in Roscommon terms) like Castlerea are lucky to have a single player featuring at all in any given grade. It's interesting that players would get on county teams just because of their club but I guess not all that surprising.
I remember one of the Mayo minor managers (maybe even Gilvarry) making out that it was an advantage we have one U14, U16 team through the grades whereas Mayo have two. In a way it's a bit laughable but maybe it does add an extra layer of politics and people rowing in different directions to it. I suppose it's somewhat similar to a club trying to combine two U14 teams. Everyone's probably looking out for their own and it might take a strong will to force everyone to see the bigger picture.
I suppose it comes down to good leadership at the top?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 22, 2014, 11:15:00 AM
Can't see us having the usual big support at this.
A combination of Saturday at 3, holidays, poor team with no great expectations, disappointment after last Saturday and people being out the previous 2 Saturdays.
And of course the South Ros crowd would get vertigo once they pass Boyle. ;D
A poor team? Roscommon are a fine minor side. I saw them against Sligo earlier in the year and they hammered us. They then beat the league champions in the Championship and should have beaten Mayo in the final. Big O'Donnell will have them well drilled. I honestly think they have a shot at minor All-Ireland as have Mayo.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on July 30, 2014, 12:17:37 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 29, 2014, 11:49:14 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on July 29, 2014, 11:40:55 PM
Quote from: Armamike on July 29, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
Don't know what the ROS minor team is like but it's going to take a very good team to beat Donegal imo.
We have the antidote for it down here..but Dublin may get there before us.
Worry about Kildare first. If this year's foals have more brains to them than last year ye could be home and hosed before Jacko sees sight of Croke Park.
What kind of garbled nonsense is that? Kildare are appalling and if we don't beat them by 10 or so it's a bad sign. Dublin will hammer Cork in the other 1/4 final. Dublin v Donegal, Kerry v Mayo in both senior AND minor semis more than likely. Hard to call them all aswell.
Sorry but what kind of stupid sweeping statement is that? I doubt you have seen any of Kildare's games apart from maybe 10 mins highlights on TG4. This ludicrous sense of entitlement from Kerry supporters that you see at times beggars belief.
In fairness to Syferus he is probably the most knowledgeable of the national minor scene than anyone on this board and while it might seem garbled to you it's perfectly sensible to everybody else as minor teams because of their age can have vastly different performances from game to game. It's the reason why u21 is seen as more of a barometer of senior success than minor.
We haven't a hope. Jack O'Connor turned down the Kildare senior job to take on the Kerry minors. They must be the next Kerry golden generation for Jack to turn down the hundreds of thousands worth of cash, luxury range rovers, thoroughbred racehorses and K Club membership that we supposedly offer all of our many outside managers.
Quote from: ck on July 30, 2014, 08:54:21 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 22, 2014, 11:15:00 AM
Can't see us having the usual big support at this.
A combination of Saturday at 3, holidays, poor team with no great expectations, disappointment after last Saturday and people being out the previous 2 Saturdays.
And of course the South Ros crowd would get vertigo once they pass Boyle. ;D
A poor team? Roscommon are a fine minor side. I saw them against Sligo earlier in the year and they hammered us. They then beat the league champions in the Championship and should have beaten Mayo in the final. Big O'Donnell will have them well drilled. I honestly think they have a shot at minor All-Ireland as have Mayo.
I wish I had your optimism CK. Sligo was the only team we bet in the Connacht League.
I'll be very pleasantly surprised if we win this one. :o
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2014, 02:23:49 PM
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Quote from: Rossfan on July 22, 2014, 11:15:00 AM
Can't see us having the usual big support at this.
A combination of Saturday at 3, holidays, poor team with no great expectations, disappointment after last Saturday and people being out the previous 2 Saturdays.
And of course the South Ros crowd would get vertigo once they pass Boyle. ;D
A poor team? Roscommon are a fine minor side. I saw them against Sligo earlier in the year and they hammered us. They then beat the league champions in the Championship and should have beaten Mayo in the final. Big O'Donnell will have them well drilled. I honestly think they have a shot at minor All-Ireland as have Mayo.
I wish I had your optimism CK. Sligo was the only team we bet in the Connacht League.
I'll be very pleasantly surprised if we win this one. :o
FOD can do it. Believe in FOD.
Actually, is FOD the man to take over the U21s next year too? Seems like a good time to get an experienced head in charge of that group of players.
I'd agree with that move.Dineen and co are very poor on the line.We need change there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EFXxwHcrus
Really good ad by Electric Ireland for the minor championships. Wish more GAA advertising was as forward-facing.
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Don't know what the ROS minor team is like but it's going to take a very good team to beat Donegal imo.
We have the antidote for it down here..but Dublin may get there before us.
Worry about Kildare first. If this year's foals have more brains to them than last year ye could be home and hosed before Jacko sees sight of Croke Park.
What kind of garbled nonsense is that? Kildare are appalling and if we don't beat them by 10 or so it's a bad sign. Dublin will hammer Cork in the other 1/4 final. Dublin v Donegal, Kerry v Mayo in both senior AND minor semis more than likely. Hard to call them all aswell.
Sorry but what kind of stupid sweeping statement is that? I doubt you have seen any of Kildare's games apart from maybe 10 mins highlights on TG4. This ludicrous sense of entitlement from Kerry supporters that you see at times beggars belief.
In fairness to Syferus he is probably the most knowledgeable of the national minor scene than anyone on this board and while it might seem garbled to you it's perfectly sensible to everybody else as minor teams because of their age can have vastly different performances from game to game. It's the reason why u21 is seen as more of a barometer of senior success than minor.
I have seen Kildare play live twice, although one was a challenge with far from full team in fairness. I was at Leinster final and wasn't very impressed with Kildare. Maybe they just had a very bad day at the office but I don't think so.
On the game next Monday, I'm just calling it as I see it. This is a really strong Kerry minor team..my judgement has nothing to do with any "sense of entitlement", why would it when we've had some chronic underage teams in recent years.
As for Syferus being knowledgeable on the "national minor scene"..I agree, if by "national" you mean West of Athlone...
I only seen the highlights of the Leinster final kildare let themselves down by giving away some very soft goals other than that they seemed to match the Dubs however this Dublin minor don't look as good as their teams in 2011,2012. Kerry a quick and skilful team Kildare will be more physical than them and that could pose a problem.
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Don't know what the ROS minor team is like but it's going to take a very good team to beat Donegal imo.
We have the antidote for it down here..but Dublin may get there before us.
Worry about Kildare first. If this year's foals have more brains to them than last year ye could be home and hosed before Jacko sees sight of Croke Park.
What kind of garbled nonsense is that? Kildare are appalling and if we don't beat them by 10 or so it's a bad sign. Dublin will hammer Cork in the other 1/4 final. Dublin v Donegal, Kerry v Mayo in both senior AND minor semis more than likely. Hard to call them all aswell.
Sorry but what kind of stupid sweeping statement is that? I doubt you have seen any of Kildare's games apart from maybe 10 mins highlights on TG4. This ludicrous sense of entitlement from Kerry supporters that you see at times beggars belief.
In fairness to Syferus he is probably the most knowledgeable of the national minor scene than anyone on this board and while it might seem garbled to you it's perfectly sensible to everybody else as minor teams because of their age can have vastly different performances from game to game. It's the reason why u21 is seen as more of a barometer of senior success than minor.
I have seen Kildare play live twice, although one was a challenge with far from full team in fairness. I was at Leinster final and wasn't very impressed with Kildare. Maybe they just had a very bad day at the office but I don't think so.
On the game next Monday, I'm just calling it as I see it. This is a really strong Kerry minor team..my judgement has nothing to do with any "sense of entitlement", why would it when we've had some chronic underage teams in recent years.
As for Syferus being knowledgeable on the "national minor scene"..I agree, if by "national" you mean West of Athlone...
So watch one championship game somehow you think validates your opinion. The soft goals as the Captain there refers to deflated Kildare, they didn't give up though which to me is far more important than just winning and calling a young minor team appalling is just condescending. I don't expect Kildare to win on Monday but as long as they give their best shot no one can ask more from minor footballers.
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Don't know what the ROS minor team is like but it's going to take a very good team to beat Donegal imo.
We have the antidote for it down here..but Dublin may get there before us.
Worry about Kildare first. If this year's foals have more brains to them than last year ye could be home and hosed before Jacko sees sight of Croke Park.
What kind of garbled nonsense is that? Kildare are appalling and if we don't beat them by 10 or so it's a bad sign. Dublin will hammer Cork in the other 1/4 final. Dublin v Donegal, Kerry v Mayo in both senior AND minor semis more than likely. Hard to call them all aswell.
Sorry but what kind of stupid sweeping statement is that? I doubt you have seen any of Kildare's games apart from maybe 10 mins highlights on TG4. This ludicrous sense of entitlement from Kerry supporters that you see at times beggars belief.
In fairness to Syferus he is probably the most knowledgeable of the national minor scene than anyone on this board and while it might seem garbled to you it's perfectly sensible to everybody else as minor teams because of their age can have vastly different performances from game to game. It's the reason why u21 is seen as more of a barometer of senior success than minor.
I have seen Kildare play live twice, although one was a challenge with far from full team in fairness. I was at Leinster final and wasn't very impressed with Kildare. Maybe they just had a very bad day at the office but I don't think so.
On the game next Monday, I'm just calling it as I see it. This is a really strong Kerry minor team..my judgement has nothing to do with any "sense of entitlement", why would it when we've had some chronic underage teams in recent years.
As for Syferus being knowledgeable on the "national minor scene"..I agree, if by "national" you mean West of Athlone...
So watch one championship game somehow you think validates your opinion. The soft goals as the Captain there refers to deflated Kildare, they didn't give up though which to me is far more important than just winning and calling a young minor team appalling is just condescending. I don't expect Kildare to win on Monday but as long as they give their best shot no one can ask more from minor footballers.
Fair enough, and maybe I shouldn't have used the word "appalling", a tad harsh maybe but I thought they let Dublin waltz through them very easily at times. Wouldn't say management were entirely blameless either.
Best of luck to the lads.
4 points a piece, any radio stations covering this?
Have it, Shannonside.
5 - 4 to Donegal, Campbell with the last score for Donegal. Sounds like both teams are playing very defensive and Roscommon have the wind in the first half which is now nearing the end.
Donegal don't look as hot as advertised. Some of their forwards seem a little scared of the posts. Our defence is frustrating their attacks and they've got very little easy. Ironically we're winning the middle but much of the kick-outs are short because neither team can mark everyone in the FB line.
Happy enough with the first half, we can worry about pushing forward more in the last quarter if we keep it tight early in the second half. Still a big task but one the lads should be more confident about now.
Donegal ahead by 3.Interesting stat from the first half in that the Donegal keeper has kicked every kick out no more than 21 yards.Ros parking the bus.
Awful stuff according to the radio, with both teams playing very defensively unfortunately. Donegal 8-4 ahead now.
Poor awl Willie H totally perplexed by Ros's 14 men behind the ball.Donegal ahead by 5
Goal for Ros. Down by 2
It was 10 - 4 when the goal went in, 10pts to 1-4 now
my mistake.0.10 to 1.05
All over.Donegal 0.10 Ros 1.05
Donegal hanging for the last few minutes according to Shannonside, sounds like the Donegal minors ape their senior team.
We totally dominated the game after the goal. We had a free near the end and it hit the upright, could have made it a single point and we probably would have got the equaliser rather than needing another goal, which so very nearly came too.
Needed to trouble the scoreboard with the possession we had after we got the goal to really copper fasten our dominance. Too many attacks ended without even a shot.
People were down on these lads all year but my God did they equip themselves well for a 'poor' group of lads. Gately's goal was special and some of these lads have bright futures ahead of them.
Good luck to Donegal in the next round.
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Some of these lads have bright futures ahead of them.
Will they be as good as the talent that is cregger though?
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We totally dominated the game after the goal. We had a free near the end and it hit the upright, could have made it a single point and we probably would have got the equaliser rather than needing another goal, which so very nearly came too.
Needed to trouble the scoreboard with the possession we had after we got the goal to really copper fasten our dominance. Too many attacks ended without even a shot.
People were down on these lads all year but my God did they equip themselves well for a 'poor' group of lads. Gately's goal was special and some of these lads have bright futures ahead of them.
Good luck to Donegal in the next round.
Gately looks one to take from this crop. Add him to Murtagh and the Smyths, Daly Corcoran etc. from the last few years and you're on the right road. Armagh showed tonight how they can stifle any attack so the defeat takes on a better look as they can make any team look poor.
Quote from: Zulu on August 02, 2014, 04:21:48 PM
Donegal hanging for the last few minutes according to Shannonside, sounds like the Donegal minors ape their senior team.
Be very afraid if Donegal manage to win the AI this year. Its thats sort of rubbish which will become the norm
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Donegal hanging for the last few minutes according to Shannonside, sounds like the Donegal minors ape their senior team.
Be very afraid if Donegal manage to win the AI this year. Its thats sort of rubbish which will become the norm
I don't think you have much to worry about this Donegal team winning the AI.
Still doesn't change the fact almost every senior team plays very defensive football nowadays. It is what it is.
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Donegal hanging for the last few minutes according to Shannonside, sounds like the Donegal minors ape their senior team.
Be very afraid if Donegal manage to win the AI this year. Its thats sort of rubbish which will become the norm
I don't think you have much to worry about this Donegal team winning the AI.
Still doesn't change the fact almost every senior team plays very defensive football nowadays. It is what it is.
They don't actually only some do and a few in particular.
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Quote from: Zulu on August 02, 2014, 04:21:48 PM
Donegal hanging for the last few minutes according to Shannonside, sounds like the Donegal minors ape their senior team.
Be very afraid if Donegal manage to win the AI this year. Its thats sort of rubbish which will become the norm
I don't think you have much to worry about this Donegal team winning the AI.
Still doesn't change the fact almost every senior team plays very defensive football nowadays. It is what it is.
They don't actually only some do and a few in particular.
Even Kerry have fell in love with sweepers these days. Far more pragmatic than the showtime teams of the early and mid 00's. Of the teams in D1 next year only Dublin could be said to be playing 'attacking' football, certainly given Cork's come-to-Jesus moment against Kerry, realising that they were woefully weak at the back and needed to drop more bodies back.
Very few teams can afford to leave a lot of forwards in particularly attacking positions. It's the era of total football in gaelic and almost every player will be asked to track back deep regularly and try their best to break at pace when the ball is turned over.
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Quote from: Zulu on August 02, 2014, 04:21:48 PM
Donegal hanging for the last few minutes according to Shannonside, sounds like the Donegal minors ape their senior team.
Be very afraid if Donegal manage to win the AI this year. Its thats sort of rubbish which will become the norm
I don't think you have much to worry about this Donegal team winning the AI.
Still doesn't change the fact almost every senior team plays very defensive football nowadays. It is what it is.
They don't actually only some do and a few in particular.
Even Kerry have fell in love with sweepers these days. Far more pragmatic than the showtime teams of the early and mid 00's. Of the teams in D1 next year only Dublin could be said to be playing 'attacking' football, certainly given Cork's come-to-Jesus moment against Kerry, realising that they were woefully weak at the back and needed to drop more bodies back.
Very few teams can afford to leave a lot of forwards in particularly attacking positions. It's the era of total football in gaelic and almost every player will be asked to track back deep regularly and try their best to break at pace when the ball is turned over.
The team that plays attacking football will win the all-ireland this year.
I don't agree on Kerry either they simply work as hard when they turn over the ball but they don't play 12 behind the ball as a rule.
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Quote from: Zulu on August 02, 2014, 04:21:48 PM
Donegal hanging for the last few minutes according to Shannonside, sounds like the Donegal minors ape their senior team.
Be very afraid if Donegal manage to win the AI this year. Its thats sort of rubbish which will become the norm
I don't think you have much to worry about this Donegal team winning the AI.
Still doesn't change the fact almost every senior team plays very defensive football nowadays. It is what it is.
They don't actually only some do and a few in particular.
Even Kerry have fell in love with sweepers these days. Far more pragmatic than the showtime teams of the early and mid 00's. Of the teams in D1 next year only Dublin could be said to be playing 'attacking' football, certainly given Cork's come-to-Jesus moment against Kerry, realising that they were woefully weak at the back and needed to drop more bodies back.
Very few teams can afford to leave a lot of forwards in particularly attacking positions. It's the era of total football in gaelic and almost every player will be asked to track back deep regularly and try their best to break at pace when the ball is turned over.
The team that plays attacking football will win the all-ireland this year.
I don't agree on Kerry either they simply work as hard when they turn over the ball but they don't play 12 behind the ball as a rule.
Are we still talking minor? I'd hope that cynicism has not fully permeated this grade just yet.
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Quote from: Zulu on August 02, 2014, 04:21:48 PM
Donegal hanging for the last few minutes according to Shannonside, sounds like the Donegal minors ape their senior team.
Be very afraid if Donegal manage to win the AI this year. Its thats sort of rubbish which will become the norm
I don't think you have much to worry about this Donegal team winning the AI.
Still doesn't change the fact almost every senior team plays very defensive football nowadays. It is what it is.
They don't actually only some do and a few in particular.
Even Kerry have fell in love with sweepers these days. Far more pragmatic than the showtime teams of the early and mid 00's. Of the teams in D1 next year only Dublin could be said to be playing 'attacking' football, certainly given Cork's come-to-Jesus moment against Kerry, realising that they were woefully weak at the back and needed to drop more bodies back.
Very few teams can afford to leave a lot of forwards in particularly attacking positions. It's the era of total football in gaelic and almost every player will be asked to track back deep regularly and try their best to break at pace when the ball is turned over.
The team that plays attacking football will win the all-ireland this year.
I don't agree on Kerry either they simply work as hard when they turn over the ball but they don't play 12 behind the ball as a rule.
9, 10, 11, 12 men. All the same to me. The game-plan is still about containment and then breaking from defence to attack effectively.
The way the rules are it makes this style of play the most natural one at senior level, and indeed at underage level when the chips are down too. Teams will always avoid taking risks when there's a lot on the line. Maybe the rules need to be changed to force the game to be even more positive but as they are right now it simply pays to be defensive. At least now there's a little less of cynical play that used to be married at the hip to defensive football.
The problem I see is that a lot of teams don't put in enough effort to execute their defence correctly either - it's a tough thing to do but it is also more coach-able than the opposite so managers will gravitate to it. With the right diet, conditioning and coaching you can manufacture Donegal's defence. You can't manufacture Gooch or Brogan or Connolly.
Anyways, back to today. Both teams played very defensively today. We played much more 'positively' in previous games but we looked very loose against Mayo and had to address that to give ourselves a chance against a Donegal team that came into the game having dismantled everyone in Ulster.
It was the right call for the team. For the minor grade? Of course not, no county will act as guardians of tradition if they think they have a better chance doing something else.
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Quote from: Zulu on August 02, 2014, 04:21:48 PM
Donegal hanging for the last few minutes according to Shannonside, sounds like the Donegal minors ape their senior team.
Be very afraid if Donegal manage to win the AI this year. Its thats sort of rubbish which will become the norm
I don't think you have much to worry about this Donegal team winning the AI.
Still doesn't change the fact almost every senior team plays very defensive football nowadays. It is what it is.
They don't actually only some do and a few in particular.
Even Kerry have fell in love with sweepers these days. Far more pragmatic than the showtime teams of the early and mid 00's. Of the teams in D1 next year only Dublin could be said to be playing 'attacking' football, certainly given Cork's come-to-Jesus moment against Kerry, realising that they were woefully weak at the back and needed to drop more bodies back.
Very few teams can afford to leave a lot of forwards in particularly attacking positions. It's the era of total football in gaelic and almost every player will be asked to track back deep regularly and try their best to break at pace when the ball is turned over.
The team that plays attacking football will win the all-ireland this year.
I don't agree on Kerry either they simply work as hard when they turn over the ball but they don't play 12 behind the ball as a rule.
9, 10, 11, 12 men. All the same to me. The game-plan is still about containment and then breaking from defence to attack effectively.
The way the rules are it makes this style of play the most natural one at senior level, and indeed at underage level when the chips are down too. Teams will always avoid taking risks when there's a lot on the line. Maybe the rules need to be changed to force the game to be even more positive but as they are right now it simply pays to be defensive. At least now there's a little less of cynical play that used to be married at the hip to defensive football.
The problem I see is that a lot of teams don't put in enough effort to execute their defence correctly either - it's a tough thing to do but it is also more coach-able than the opposite so managers will gravitate to it. With the right diet, conditioning and coaching you can manufacture Donegal's defence. You can't manufacture Gooch or Brogan or Connolly.
Anyways, back to today. Both teams played very defensively today. We played much more 'positively' in previous games but we looked very loose against Mayo and had to address that to give ourselves a chance against a Donegal team that came into the game having dismantled everyone in Ulster.
It was the right call for the team. For the minor grade? Of course not, no county will act as guardians of tradition if they think they have a better chance doing something else.
Defence won't win an AI.
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Quote from: Zulu on August 02, 2014, 04:21:48 PM
Donegal hanging for the last few minutes according to Shannonside, sounds like the Donegal minors ape their senior team.
Be very afraid if Donegal manage to win the AI this year. Its thats sort of rubbish which will become the norm
I don't think you have much to worry about this Donegal team winning the AI.
Still doesn't change the fact almost every senior team plays very defensive football nowadays. It is what it is.
They don't actually only some do and a few in particular.
Even Kerry have fell in love with sweepers these days. Far more pragmatic than the showtime teams of the early and mid 00's. Of the teams in D1 next year only Dublin could be said to be playing 'attacking' football, certainly given Cork's come-to-Jesus moment against Kerry, realising that they were woefully weak at the back and needed to drop more bodies back.
Very few teams can afford to leave a lot of forwards in particularly attacking positions. It's the era of total football in gaelic and almost every player will be asked to track back deep regularly and try their best to break at pace when the ball is turned over.
The team that plays attacking football will win the all-ireland this year.
I don't agree on Kerry either they simply work as hard when they turn over the ball but they don't play 12 behind the ball as a rule.
9, 10, 11, 12 men. All the same to me. The game-plan is still about containment and then breaking from defence to attack effectively.
The way the rules are it makes this style of play the most natural one at senior level, and indeed at underage level when the chips are down too. Teams will always avoid taking risks when there's a lot on the line. Maybe the rules need to be changed to force the game to be even more positive but as they are right now it simply pays to be defensive. At least now there's a little less of cynical play that used to be married at the hip to defensive football.
The problem I see is that a lot of teams don't put in enough effort to execute their defence correctly either - it's a tough thing to do but it is also more coach-able than the opposite so managers will gravitate to it. With the right diet, conditioning and coaching you can manufacture Donegal's defence. You can't manufacture Gooch or Brogan or Connolly.
Anyways, back to today. Both teams played very defensively today. We played much more 'positively' in previous games but we looked very loose against Mayo and had to address that to give ourselves a chance against a Donegal team that came into the game having dismantled everyone in Ulster.
It was the right call for the team. For the minor grade? Of course not, no county will act as guardians of tradition if they think they have a better chance doing something else.
Defence won't win an AI.
Alone, maybe. Lots of teams have used it as their base camp on journeys than ended with All-Irelands or breaking into the top tier in the last decade or so, though. Being sound at the back isn't an end point in itself and most smart managers understand that.
Hard luck to our lads went down fighting could have got something out of the game if we had taken those late chances. We needed to improve in defence after conceding 2-16 in the Connacht final and today we certainly did but somewhat too defensive. I suppose our 1-5 in 60 mins won't win many games but Donegal would have scored less but for one of their defenders able to kicked four huge scores from play and that was probably the difference between the sides.
TBH it wasn't one of our better minor teams this year but in fairness to them they gave a decent account of themselves against both Mayo,Donegal. In Gatley,Murray,Stack,Darcy etc we continue to produce some good individual talent hopefully some of those lads are able to make the step up to senior level in the years ahead.
Best of luck to the Mayo minors tomorrow. 8)
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Best of luck to the Mayo minors tomorrow. 8)
That's the talk!
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Best of luck to the Mayo minors tomorrow. 8)
You're just happy your nemesis Val Roughneen isn't playing.
Best of luck to the Ballagh lads.
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Hard luck to our lads went down fighting could have got something out of the game if we had taken those late chances. We needed to improve in defence after conceding 2-16 in the Connacht final and today we certainly did but somewhat too defensive. I suppose our 1-5 in 60 mins won't win many games but Donegal would have scored less but for one of their defenders able to kicked four huge scores from play and that was probably the difference between the sides.
TBH it wasn't one of our better minor teams this year but in fairness to them they gave a decent account of themselves against both Mayo,Donegal. In Gatley,Murray,Stack,Darcy etc we continue to produce some good individual talent hopefully some of those lads are able to make the step up to senior level in the years ahead.
Gatley looked quality in the connacht final, pity he's not a ballaghaderreen man
Interested in how Mayo fare with Armagh. The form-line from today would suggest they'll hammer them out of the gate but it can't be that straight-forward, surely?
Do you mean that because Mayo beat Roscommon, and Ros. lost a tight one to Donegal, who beat Armagh comfortably, that Mayo will trounce Armagh. Hope not. Minors aren't always predictable, so here's hoping for an Orchard upset. Remember that Auburn pulled off two miracle scores against Georgia and 'Bama. You never know.
Quote from: Oraisteach on August 03, 2014, 03:39:05 AMRemember that Auburn pulled off two miracle scores against 'Bama. You never know.
Christ that was some game. I'd be shouting for Auburn in all them games but after that even more so. Absolutely unreal stuff.
Will be interesting to see how this group of Mayo minors take to croke park tomorrow. I'd kill to be there tomorrow, will have to settle for mid west radio 20000kms away.
Mayo 1.06 Armagh 0.04 ht.Mayo missing a lot of chances
Mayo 2.08 Armagh 0.05. Brian Reape with the goal
As a nuetral and gaa fan I actually really enjoyed the tactical battle of Roscommon and Donegal yday, I was enthraling throughout and the last 10mins was fantastic stuff, both teams set up defensively, it fascinating to see donegal attack in 3s down one flank of the blanket and quick hand passes ensured the created plenty in the 1st half but kicked a few bad wides, Roscommon were far more economical, jees I thought yer no 6 was outstanding, donegals no 4 was brilliant defender and no 9 and 14 look class acts, you have to give it Roscommon they stayed in a game they had no right to be in at 10-4 and got a sniff and nearly took it, I actually think they should, the goal chances were decent but brilliantly created through sheer courage and perserverance, but Donegal were the better team, jees it's hard to see Rossies looking down on this team when your from Sligo, and comparing how our team performed yere light yrs ahead but I guess yer expectations are very high at the minute.
Reape with another goal .3.09 to 0.05
Quote from: Oraisteach on August 03, 2014, 03:39:05 AM
Do you mean that because Mayo beat Roscommon, and Ros. lost a tight one to Donegal, who beat Armagh comfortably, that Mayo will trounce Armagh. Hope not. Minors aren't always predictable, so here's hoping for an Orchard upset. Remember that Auburn pulled off two miracle scores against Georgia and 'Bama. You never know.
Aye, it's a funny old grade. Both games have went to form so far, even if we almost got Donegal. Would be almost surprising ot see every favourite win in the QFs.
Looks like Mayo have a taste for goals again this year. Seven in three games.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 03, 2014, 12:54:58 PM
As a nuetral and gaa fan I actually really enjoyed the tactical battle of Roscommon and Donegal yday, I was enthraling throughout and the last 10mins was fantastic stuff, both teams set up defensively, it fascinating to see donegal attack in 3s down one flank of the blanket and quick hand passes ensured the created plenty in the 1st half but kicked a few bad wides, Roscommon were far more economical, jees I thought yer no 6 was outstanding, donegals no 4 was brilliant defender and no 9 and 14 look class acts, you have to give it Roscommon they stayed in a game they had no right to be in at 10-4 and got a sniff and nearly took it, I actually think they should, the goal chances were decent but brilliantly created through sheer courage and perserverance, but Donegal were the better team, jees it's hard to see Rossies looking down on this team when your from Sligo, and comparing how our team performed yere light yrs ahead but I guess yer expectations are very high at the minute.
The No. 6 was Evan McGrath, he's a talented rugby player too but concentrated fully on football this year. Big unit that can motor. He was unreal in the final ten minutes against Leitrim too. I could see him becoming a senior CHB if everything goes well.
I hate people saying they've a poor crop or similar shite, minor is so much about application and growth that you can be a very different team at the end of a season than you were at the beginning of it or how you were at u16. Our 2006 minors were being bet in almost all their early season matches that year yet by the end of the season they had the belief and skill to beat Kerry over two games in AI finals.
We only won a single Connacht minor league game this season yet we beat the league champions in the championship, lead Mayo in McHale with ten minutes to go in a Connacht final and were a kick of a ball away from beating a fancied Donegal team and reaching a second AISF in as many years. Poor teams don't do those things.
Mayo 3.13 armagh 0.09.Would very much like if the senior game turned out the same way :) :) :).I like these stress free games
Quote from: Syferus on August 03, 2014, 01:08:36 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on August 03, 2014, 03:39:05 AM
Do you mean that because Mayo beat Roscommon, and Ros. lost a tight one to Donegal, who beat Armagh comfortably, that Mayo will trounce Armagh. Hope not. Minors aren't always predictable, so here's hoping for an Orchard upset. Remember that Auburn pulled off two miracle scores against Georgia and 'Bama. You never know.
Aye, it's a funny old grade. Both games have went to form so far, even if we almost got Donegal. Would be almost surprising ot see every favourite win in the QFs.
Looks like Mayo have a taste for goals again this year. Seven in three games.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 03, 2014, 12:54:58 PM
As a nuetral and gaa fan I actually really enjoyed the tactical battle of Roscommon and Donegal yday, I was enthraling throughout and the last 10mins was fantastic stuff, both teams set up defensively, it fascinating to see donegal attack in 3s down one flank of the blanket and quick hand passes ensured the created plenty in the 1st half but kicked a few bad wides, Roscommon were far more economical, jees I thought yer no 6 was outstanding, donegals no 4 was brilliant defender and no 9 and 14 look class acts, you have to give it Roscommon they stayed in a game they had no right to be in at 10-4 and got a sniff and nearly took it, I actually think they should, the goal chances were decent but brilliantly created through sheer courage and perserverance, but Donegal were the better team, jees it's hard to see Rossies looking down on this team when your from Sligo, and comparing how our team performed yere light yrs ahead but I guess yer expectations are very high at the minute.
The No. 6 was Evan McGrath, he's a talented rugby player too but concentrated fully on football this year. Big unit that can motor. He was unreal in the final ten minutes against Leitrim too. I could see him becoming a senior CHB if everything goes well.
I hate people saying they've a poor crop or similar shite, minor is so much about application and growth that you can be a very different team at the end of a season than you were at the beginning of it or how you were at u16. Our 2006 minors were being bet in almost all their early season matches that year yet by the end of the season they had the belief and skill to beat Kerry over two games in AI finals.
We only won a single Connacht minor league game this season yet we beat the league champions in the championship, lead Mayo in McHale with ten minutes to go in a Connacht final and were a kick of a ball away from beating a fancied Donegal team and reaching a second AISF in as many years. Poor teams don't do those things.
Where's the delivery at senior level though? We're still waiting.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 03, 2014, 02:40:35 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 03, 2014, 01:08:36 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on August 03, 2014, 03:39:05 AM
Do you mean that because Mayo beat Roscommon, and Ros. lost a tight one to Donegal, who beat Armagh comfortably, that Mayo will trounce Armagh. Hope not. Minors aren't always predictable, so here's hoping for an Orchard upset. Remember that Auburn pulled off two miracle scores against Georgia and 'Bama. You never know.
Aye, it's a funny old grade. Both games have went to form so far, even if we almost got Donegal. Would be almost surprising ot see every favourite win in the QFs.
Looks like Mayo have a taste for goals again this year. Seven in three games.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 03, 2014, 12:54:58 PM
As a nuetral and gaa fan I actually really enjoyed the tactical battle of Roscommon and Donegal yday, I was enthraling throughout and the last 10mins was fantastic stuff, both teams set up defensively, it fascinating to see donegal attack in 3s down one flank of the blanket and quick hand passes ensured the created plenty in the 1st half but kicked a few bad wides, Roscommon were far more economical, jees I thought yer no 6 was outstanding, donegals no 4 was brilliant defender and no 9 and 14 look class acts, you have to give it Roscommon they stayed in a game they had no right to be in at 10-4 and got a sniff and nearly took it, I actually think they should, the goal chances were decent but brilliantly created through sheer courage and perserverance, but Donegal were the better team, jees it's hard to see Rossies looking down on this team when your from Sligo, and comparing how our team performed yere light yrs ahead but I guess yer expectations are very high at the minute.
The No. 6 was Evan McGrath, he's a talented rugby player too but concentrated fully on football this year. Big unit that can motor. He was unreal in the final ten minutes against Leitrim too. I could see him becoming a senior CHB if everything goes well.
I hate people saying they've a poor crop or similar shite, minor is so much about application and growth that you can be a very different team at the end of a season than you were at the beginning of it or how you were at u16. Our 2006 minors were being bet in almost all their early season matches that year yet by the end of the season they had the belief and skill to beat Kerry over two games in AI finals.
We only won a single Connacht minor league game this season yet we beat the league champions in the championship, lead Mayo in McHale with ten minutes to go in a Connacht final and were a kick of a ball away from beating a fancied Donegal team and reaching a second AISF in as many years. Poor teams don't do those things.
Where's the delivery at senior level though? We're still waiting.
Tommy Carr's fault.
Still all about Ros.
Quote from: moysider on August 03, 2014, 03:48:39 PM
Still all about Ros.
If you give us back Cian and Sharoize and we promise not to say anything for another ten years.
I thought Roscommon were knocked of the minor championship?
Quote from: maigheo on August 03, 2014, 01:18:23 PM
Mayo 3.13 armagh 0.09.Would very much like if the senior game turned out the same way :) :) :).I like these stress free games
sadly Armagh the worst of the quarter final teams. Kerry or Kildare next will be a big test for Mayo.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 03, 2014, 12:54:58 PM
As a nuetral and gaa fan I actually really enjoyed the tactical battle of Roscommon and Donegal yday,
Jasus it was awful to watch and when we went 6 down I was wondering what was the point of it all.
I for one feel awful uncomfortable looking at the opposition sailing unmolested 60 yards upfield with the ball and no one challenging them while we're all lined up marking space watching them pass it over and back on front of us.
I'd be crying out for a Harry Keegan type to emerge from our ranks and drive them balls and all across the effin sideline.
I suppose with our limited team ( yes Syf they were bloody very limited as a team - won 2 and lost 6 competitive games) it had to be damage limitation and yet we could have done a smash and grab at the end thanks to Donegal's lorry load of wides.
As some wag on stolensheep put it - the marking space thingy worked wonders as space didn't score all day :-\
Anyway sin é for us - be nice to see Donegal win so Syf can continue to believe or Kildare who've never won a minor.
Hopefully Stack, McGrath ( as long as he gives up the rubby sh1te) and Gately at least come through over the next few years.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 03, 2014, 08:44:41 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 03, 2014, 12:54:58 PM
As a nuetral and gaa fan I actually really enjoyed the tactical battle of Roscommon and Donegal yday,
Jasus it was awful to watch and when we went 6 down I was wondering what was the point of it all.
I for one feel awful uncomfortable looking at the opposition sailing unmolested 60 yards upfield with the ball and no one challenging them while we're all lined up marking soace watching them pass it over and back on front of us.
I'd be crying out for a Harry Keegan type to emerge from our ranks and drive them balls and all across the effin sideline.
I suppose with our limited team ( yes Syf they were bloody very limited as a team - won 2 and lost 6 competitive games) it had to be damage limitation and yet we could have done a smash and grab at the end thanks to Donegal's lorry load of wides.
As some wag on stolensheep put it - the marking space thingy worked wonders as space didn't score all day :-\
Anyway sin é for us - be nice to see Donegal win so Syf can continue to believe or Kildare who've never won a minor.
Hopefully Stack, McGrath ( as long as he gives up the rubby sh1te) and Gately at least come through over the next few years.
Neither did many Donegal lads.
So will the Mayo v donegal game be on before the Mayo kerry game or the other SF?
Either way, it's a balls for some set of supporters.
Thanks for the support Rossfan ya bitter hoor
Quote from: Syferus on August 03, 2014, 08:48:39 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 03, 2014, 08:44:41 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 03, 2014, 12:54:58 PM
As a nuetral and gaa fan I actually really enjoyed the tactical battle of Roscommon and Donegal yday,
Jasus it was awful to watch and when we went 6 down I was wondering what was the point of it all.
I for one feel awful uncomfortable looking at the opposition sailing unmolested 60 yards upfield with the ball and no one challenging them while we're all lined up marking soace watching them pass it over and back on front of us.
I'd be crying out for a Harry Keegan type to emerge from our ranks and drive them balls and all across the effin sideline.
I suppose with our limited team ( yes Syf they were bloody very limited as a team - won 2 and lost 6 competitive games) it had to be damage limitation and yet we could have done a smash and grab at the end thanks to Donegal's lorry load of wides.
As some wag on stolensheep put it - the marking space thingy worked wonders as space didn't score all day :-\
Anyway sin é for us - be nice to see Donegal win so Syf can continue to believe or Kildare who've never won a minor.
Hopefully Stack, McGrath ( as long as he gives up the rubby sh1te) and Gately at least come through over the next few years.
Neither did many Donegal lads.
Enough did.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 03, 2014, 10:09:49 PM
So will the Mayo v donegal game be on before the Mayo kerry game or the other SF?
Either way, it's a balls for some set of supporters.
Thanks for the support Rossfan ya bitter hoor
It's Mayo v Kerry/Kildare, Donegal v Dublin/Cork.
Mayo's minor game will be before your senior game and the other game will be on the other semi-final bill.
Quote from: Syferus on August 03, 2014, 10:13:53 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 03, 2014, 10:09:49 PM
So will the Mayo v donegal game be on before the Mayo kerry game or the other SF?
Either way, it's a balls for some set of supporters.
Thanks for the support Rossfan ya bitter hoor
It's Mayo v Kerry/Kildare, Donegal v Dublin/Cork.
Mayo's minor game will be before your senior game and the other game will be on the other semi-final bill.
Oh right, thought it was setup similar to the seniors and we were playing donegal. Should be fair enough so
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 03, 2014, 10:09:49 PM
So will the Mayo v donegal game be on before the Mayo kerry game or the other SF?
Thanks for the support Rossfan ya bitter hoor
Will ye ( 12 Mayos and 3 Rossies that is) not be playing the winners of Kerry v Kildare??
Why the fcuk would I support ye're( plus 3 of ours) buicíns? Didn't ye win it last year anyway.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 03, 2014, 11:14:30 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 03, 2014, 10:09:49 PM
So will the Mayo v donegal game be on before the Mayo kerry game or the other SF?
Thanks for the support Rossfan ya bitter hoor
Will ye ( 12 Mayos and 3 Rossies that is) not be playing the winners of Kerry v Kildare??
Why the fcuk would I support ye're( plus 3 of ours) buicíns? Didn't ye win it last year anyway.
Sure the hoors are Connacht men still. Keep it west of the Shannon.
Quote from: Syferus on August 03, 2014, 11:23:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 03, 2014, 11:14:30 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 03, 2014, 10:09:49 PM
So will the Mayo v donegal game be on before the Mayo kerry game or the other SF?
Thanks for the support Rossfan ya bitter hoor
Will ye ( 12 Mayos and 3 Rossies that is) not be playing the winners of Kerry v Kildare??
Why the fcuk would I support ye're( plus 3 of ours) buicíns? Didn't ye win it last year anyway.
Sure the hoors are Connacht men still. Keep it west of the Shannon.
Exactly. Same as I was supporting Galway today and sligo & Ross last week. I may not like ye that much but I'll still support ye agin themmuns ;)
I'd always shout for ( never support please note - only support Ros teams and my clubeen) the most deserving team rather than just someone who plays in the same Championship as ussuns ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on August 03, 2014, 11:40:27 PM
I'd always shout for ( never support please note - only support Ros teams and my clubeen) the most deserving team rather than just someone who plays in the same Championship as ussuns ;)
To hell or to the most deserving team doesn't have the same ring to it.
I was at the Ross Donegal game on Saturday. Roscommon were as defensive as any team I've seen. 3 permanent sweepers and I counted 14 men behind the ball at one stage. They were 6 down and still played like this. On that basis alone they had no right to win the game. I'd love to ask Fergal O'Donnell what his thinking was. They were never going to win the game playing like that. Donegal were by far the better team but struggled with a damage limitation style blanket.
In saying that, I wouldn't be putting money on Donegal for AI. They are average enough with some poor enough players. They won't be in same league as Kerry or Dublin.
Quote from: ck on August 04, 2014, 12:50:40 AM
I was at the Ross Donegal game on Saturday. Roscommon were as defensive as any team I've seen. 3 permanent sweepers and I counted 14 men behind the ball at one stage. They were 6 down and still played like this. On that basis alone they had no right to win the game. I'd love to ask Fergal O'Donnell what his thinking was. They were never going to win the game playing like that. Donegal were by far the better team but struggled with a damage limitation style blanket.
In saying that, I wouldn't be putting money on Donegal for AI. They are average enough with some poor enough players. They won't be in same league as Kerry or Dublin.
They had a burst for ten minutes after half time but they were hardly far better. By the end they had fell to pieces.
Donegal also operated very defensively themselves with barely any more men in our half when the got the ball. It was all about running from deep from both sides. Trying to single out one side or the other is ridiculous, particularly the one that went in with reason to be defensive.
Quote from: Syferus on August 04, 2014, 01:07:48 AM
Quote from: ck on August 04, 2014, 12:50:40 AM
I was at the Ross Donegal game on Saturday. Roscommon were as defensive as any team I've seen. 3 permanent sweepers and I counted 14 men behind the ball at one stage. They were 6 down and still played like this. On that basis alone they had no right to win the game. I'd love to ask Fergal O'Donnell what his thinking was. They were never going to win the game playing like that. Donegal were by far the better team but struggled with a damage limitation style blanket.
In saying that, I wouldn't be putting money on Donegal for AI. They are average enough with some poor enough players. They won't be in same league as Kerry or Dublin.
They had a burst for ten minutes after half time but they were hardly far better. By the end they had fell to pieces.
Donegal also operated very defensively themselves with barely any more men in our half when the got the ball. It was all about running from deep from both sides. Trying to single out one side or the other is ridiculous, particularly the one that went in with reason to be defensive.
We'll have to agree to disagree syferus. Donegal operated a sweeper who attacked at every opportunity. Bar that it was man for man. Roscommon sat at least 4 men at all times. Incredibly defensive. Had they not got a goal they would have fizzled out and lost by 7 or 8 points. They smacked of a team who simply aimed to keep the score down.
In saying that the best individual players were on the Rossies team. 6, 11 and 13 were pure quality. 13 was as good as I've seen at minor level. Donegal didn't have any players of that quality but I still maintain they were by far the better team. They were there to win the game. Ross were there to frustrate, spoil and negate. Winning would have been a bonus. O'Donnell will have come away with credit for pushing it close. Personally I wouldn't give him any credit. He had a better team than his tactics suggested in my opinion.
It'll be a Dublin Kerry All Ireland minor final. Mayo and Donegal very much behind at the moment I would guess.
Quote from: ck on August 04, 2014, 09:29:40 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 04, 2014, 01:07:48 AM
Quote from: ck on August 04, 2014, 12:50:40 AM
I was at the Ross Donegal game on Saturday. Roscommon were as defensive as any team I've seen. 3 permanent sweepers and I counted 14 men behind the ball at one stage. They were 6 down and still played like this. On that basis alone they had no right to win the game. I'd love to ask Fergal O'Donnell what his thinking was. They were never going to win the game playing like that. Donegal were by far the better team but struggled with a damage limitation style blanket.
In saying that, I wouldn't be putting money on Donegal for AI. They are average enough with some poor enough players. They won't be in same league as Kerry or Dublin.
They had a burst for ten minutes after half time but they were hardly far better. By the end they had fell to pieces.
Donegal also operated very defensively themselves with barely any more men in our half when the got the ball. It was all about running from deep from both sides. Trying to single out one side or the other is ridiculous, particularly the one that went in with reason to be defensive.
We'll have to agree to disagree syferus. Donegal operated a sweeper who attacked at every opportunity. Bar that it was man for man. Roscommon sat at least 4 men at all times. Incredibly defensive. Had they not got a goal they would have fizzled out and lost by 7 or 8 points. They smacked of a team who simply aimed to keep the score down.
In saying that the best individual players were on the Rossies team. 6, 11 and 13 were pure quality. 13 was as good as I've seen at minor level. Donegal didn't have any players of that quality but I still maintain they were by far the better team. They were there to win the game. Ross were there to frustrate, spoil and negate. Winning would have been a bonus. O'Donnell will have come away with credit for pushing it close. Personally I wouldn't give him any credit. He had a better team than his tactics suggested in my opinion.
It'll be a Dublin Kerry All Ireland minor final. Mayo and Donegal very much behind at the moment I would guess.
You didn't see how loose we were at the back in the Connacht final. As has been said repeatedly, it wasn't our greatest minor side but they had a work ethic that dove-tailed very nicely with a defensive game-plan designed to put us in a position to challenge in the second half.
The general idea was entirely correct for a team that enter the game as massive underdogs. Aside from a blitz after half-time we effectively slowed down and nullified Donegal playing that style. The difference ended up being those ten minutes after half-time where our defensive structure was no where near as stable as it was in the first half.
It's always easy to watch a team pour forward effectively when legs have tired and marking becomes ropey and think they should have been playing that way from the beginning but playing that style for the entire match was never going to give us the best possible chance.
It was the right thing to do in general terms but we could have transitioned into attack more effectively than we did.
I don't see where being down on Mayo has come from, they've got better with every game and will give Kerry as good a rattle as anyone. Cork made Dublin look vulnerable today and I'd expect them to give Donegal more space than we did, we'll see if they can use if effectively. Minor is never a sure thing.
Not down on Mayo at all. They play Kerry who apparently are the best Kerry minor side in 30 years according to Kerry people I've spoken to. On that basis I don't see Mayo threatening them but who knows. Dublin on the other side should come through on their home pitch against a fine Donegal side but I think they just lack that cutting edge player or two to really do damage.
As an aside, I train our club minor team and we went to Kerry for a trip at Easter and if half what I heard is true no-one will touch Kerry.
Quote from: ck on August 04, 2014, 10:19:23 PM
Not down on Mayo at all. They play Kerry who apparently are the best Kerry minor side in 30 years according to Kerry people I've spoken to. On that basis I don't see Mayo threatening them but who knows. Dublin on the other side should come through on their home pitch against a fine Donegal side but I think they just lack that cutting edge player or two to really do damage.
As an aside, I train our club minor team and we went to Kerry for a trip at Easter and if half what I heard is true no-one will touch Kerry.
Talk is cheap though. We have a very good record at this level and will not surrender the AI crown without a fight. I hope but doubt that the Kerry camp are that complacent.
What are the odds on a Kerry Dublin Minor/Senor final this year?
We'll have to avoid the Dublin media wankfest for a few weeks then.
Sales of the Examiner and Irish News will soar.
Quote from: ck on August 04, 2014, 10:19:23 PM
Not down on Mayo at all. They play Kerry who apparently are the best Kerry minor side in 30 years according to Kerry people I've spoken to. On that basis I don't see Mayo threatening them but who knows. Dublin on the other side should come through on their home pitch against a fine Donegal side but I think they just lack that cutting edge player or two to really do damage.
As an aside, I train our club minor team and we went to Kerry for a trip at Easter and if half what I heard is true no-one will touch Kerry.
how is croke park the home pitch for the Dublin minors ?
Quote from: Johnnybegood on August 05, 2014, 12:01:29 PM
Quote from: ck on August 04, 2014, 10:19:23 PM
Not down on Mayo at all. They play Kerry who apparently are the best Kerry minor side in 30 years according to Kerry people I've spoken to. On that basis I don't see Mayo threatening them but who knows. Dublin on the other side should come through on their home pitch against a fine Donegal side but I think they just lack that cutting edge player or two to really do damage.
As an aside, I train our club minor team and we went to Kerry for a trip at Easter and if half what I heard is true no-one will touch Kerry.
how is croke park the home pitch for the Dublin minors ?
Maybe because its in Dublin?
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 05, 2014, 12:33:06 PM
Quote from: Johnnybegood on August 05, 2014, 12:01:29 PM
Quote from: ck on August 04, 2014, 10:19:23 PM
Not down on Mayo at all. They play Kerry who apparently are the best Kerry minor side in 30 years according to Kerry people I've spoken to. On that basis I don't see Mayo threatening them but who knows. Dublin on the other side should come through on their home pitch against a fine Donegal side but I think they just lack that cutting edge player or two to really do damage.
As an aside, I train our club minor team and we went to Kerry for a trip at Easter and if half what I heard is true no-one will touch Kerry.
how is croke park the home pitch for the Dublin minors ?
Maybe because its in Dublin?
and their homes are in Dublin, or do you have some that do not live in Dublin?
Doesn't make it their home pitch as stated,
They've played one match there this year
Their home pitch is Parnell park
Quote from: armaghniac on August 05, 2014, 12:41:03 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 05, 2014, 12:33:06 PM
Quote from: Johnnybegood on August 05, 2014, 12:01:29 PM
Quote from: ck on August 04, 2014, 10:19:23 PM
Not down on Mayo at all. They play Kerry who apparently are the best Kerry minor side in 30 years according to Kerry people I've spoken to. On that basis I don't see Mayo threatening them but who knows. Dublin on the other side should come through on their home pitch against a fine Donegal side but I think they just lack that cutting edge player or two to really do damage.
As an aside, I train our club minor team and we went to Kerry for a trip at Easter and if half what I heard is true no-one will touch Kerry.
how is croke park the home pitch for the Dublin minors ?
Maybe because its in Dublin?
and their homes are in Dublin, or do you have some that do not live in Dublin?
That's a real Rodney Trotter analogy.
Most of the team have played once in Croke Park.
Can we not get into semantics? There's not even sight of Dont Matter yet.
If Tyrone were playing in Dungannon they would be at 'home', they would also be 'home' if playing in Omagh. Are we really arguing over the difference between a home pitch and home venue?
Dublin minors will play their remaining games at home. Fact! For the minor age group that is a massive plus. It'll be a massive deal for the other teams to play on Croke, not quite as big for Dublin.
I wonder if the Donegal lads were asked where they would like to play their semi final game against Dublin, what their answer would be.
Quote from: ck on August 05, 2014, 02:04:48 PM
Dublin minors will play their remaining games at home. Fact! For the minor age group that is a massive plus. It'll be a massive deal for the other teams to play on Croke, not quite as big for Dublin.
bullshit
Quote from: ck on August 05, 2014, 02:04:48 PM
Dublin minors will play their remaining games at home. Fact! For the minor age group that is a massive plus. It'll be a massive deal for the other teams to play on Croke, not quite as big for Dublin.
This is nonsense. It's only a home ground if the players are used to the facilities.
Dublin's minor teams are no more or no less exposed to Croke Park than any other minor team in the country, especially now that the Leinster MFC has been detached from the Leinster SFC.
A good parallel would be if Leinster Rugby Schoolboys played Ulster Schoolboys at the Aviva. The match location might be in Leinster, but if none of the Leinster players have stepped out in front of X thousand people at Aviva before, then it's not an advantage.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 06, 2014, 11:40:40 AM
Quote from: ck on August 05, 2014, 02:04:48 PM
Dublin minors will play their remaining games at home. Fact! For the minor age group that is a massive plus. It'll be a massive deal for the other teams to play on Croke, not quite as big for Dublin.
This is nonsense. It's only a home ground if the players are used to the facilities.
Dublin's minor teams are no more or no less exposed to Croke Park than any other minor team in the country, especially now that the Leinster MFC has been detached from the Leinster SFC.
So the Leinster Minor final wasn't played in Croke Park?? :o
For the love of Jesus, are all discussions involving the Dubs now going to be based around people pissing and moaning about Croke Park and money?? Here's an idea, 'Don't Matter' started a thread on the Dubs/money/home advantage, if you have to raise that issue yet again do it on that thread. Let the rest of us discuss the merits of the minor teams as football squads here and on senior match day threads the merits of the two teams involved there.
It looks like we are in for a great finish to the minor championship and it seems Kerry finally have a minor team that could go all the way again. Should be two great semi finals anyway.
Quote from: Drummerboy on August 05, 2014, 11:44:55 PM
I wonder if the Donegal lads were asked where they would like to play their semi final game against Dublin, what their answer would be.
Too true. There would be some caterwailing (and rightly so imo) if the semi final was moved to say Tullamore or Cavan.
Anyway from what I hear it is all turkeys squabbling in November stuff as Kerry will win at a canter.
Re: the minor championship
You are really beginning to see the counties with big playing numbers and resources come to the fore in the minor
Dublin (last few years), Mayo (going for two in a row), Kerry, Donegal.
When was the last time the likes of Westmeath, Laois, Longford come through?
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 06, 2014, 01:41:19 PM
Re: the minor championship
You are really beginning to see the counties with big playing numbers and resources come to the fore in the minor
Dublin (last few years), Mayo (going for two in a row), Kerry, Donegal.
When was the last time the likes of Westmeath, Laois, Longford come through?
2013 for Westmeath. 2010 for Longford.
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2014, 02:04:32 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 06, 2014, 01:41:19 PM
Re: the minor championship
You are really beginning to see the counties with big playing numbers and resources come to the fore in the minor
Dublin (last few years), Mayo (going for two in a row), Kerry, Donegal.
When was the last time the likes of Westmeath, Laois, Longford come through?
2013 for Westmeath. 2010 for Longford.
to win something?
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 06, 2014, 01:41:19 PM
Re: the minor championship
You are really beginning to see the counties with big playing numbers and resources come to the fore in the minor
Dublin (last few years), Mayo (going for two in a row), Kerry, Donegal.
When was the last time the likes of Westmeath, Laois, Longford come through?
2013 for Westmeath. 2010 for Longford.
to win something?
Longford won Leinster in 2010.
Tipp 2011?
What about Roscommon, Cavan or Tipp? They've all done well at underage level recently and none of them are big counties. Or what about Down, Meath, Derry? Big counties with little recent underage success. The Gaa is now as it's always has been, unfair and unbalanced but people it seems want to keep it that way in the main.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 06, 2014, 01:41:19 PM
Re: the minor championship
You are really beginning to see the counties with big playing numbers and resources come to the fore in the minor
Dublin (last few years), Mayo (going for two in a row), Kerry, Donegal.
When was the last time the likes of Westmeath, Laois, Longford come through?
Such a pile of tripe.
- Ulster has 5 different MFC winners in the past 6 years.
- Leinster has 5 different MFC winners in the past 8 years. As with always, Dublin will win 3-5 in a decade.
- The same 3 counties that won all but 5 Connacht MFCs continue to dominate out there.
- The same 3 counties that won all but 4 Munster MFCs continue to dominate out there.
- Since 2000, 12 counties have won AI minor titles. Only Tyrone have won more than 1.
We just have the four since 2000 8)
Quote from: Johnnybegood on August 06, 2014, 11:30:40 AM
Quote from: ck on August 05, 2014, 02:04:48 PM
Dublin minors will play their remaining games at home. Fact! For the minor age group that is a massive plus. It'll be a massive deal for the other teams to play on Croke, not quite as big for Dublin.
bullshit
A very intellectual response there Johnny. So on what grounds doe you believe the above statement is bullshit? I await your answer with interest
On the basis Croke Park isn't their home ground I'd imagine.
Quote from: Zulu on August 06, 2014, 03:50:19 PM
On the basis Croke Park isn't their home ground I'd imagine.
They will play the AI semi and final at home. Just like the Leinster Final. If Mayo play in Castlebar, Tubbercurry or Ballina.. they also would be playing at home. Dublin have an advantage here, that is the point. To suggest otherwise you are either A. playing semantics or B. A Dublin fan who would get a nose bleed if they hit the M50.
Regardless, no-one will even come close to Kerry so advantages won't matter.
Dublin Minors have played the same number of games as Mayo minors this year in Croke Park which is 1.The early games in Leinster were in Parnell like the Longford game or elsewhere. The leinster Semi against Offaly was in Tullamore.
The leinster final was the only game they played in Croke Park. The Quarter final againat Cork was in Thurles
Mayo played there against Armagh last weekend so maybe that's an advantage over Kerry?
btw where else would you play the All Ireland Semis and Final
It's another advantage to the Dubs, but unless we want to build another 85,000 seater stadium somewhere else or handicap Dublin, what can you do? Every player wants to play there. Fans love to go there. End of story.
Not a Dub, but it is you who are playing semantics. Croke Park is a national stadium not a county stadium but it has to be in some county, that county happens to be Dublin but Dublin aren't playing at home simply because it is located in their county. If that was the case, then if the All Ireland semi finals were fixed for the Aviva, they would also be playing at home and have an advantage. It's a rather strange complaint to make considering the All Ireland semi finals have been played in Croke Park for as long as anyone can remember, even when Dublin were in them, and I never heard anyone complain before.
Quote from: Zulu on August 06, 2014, 04:06:24 PM
Not a Dub, but it is you who are playing semantics. Croke Park is a national stadium not a county stadium but it has to be in some county, that county happens to be Dublin but Dublin aren't playing at home simply because it is located in their county. If that was the case, then if the All Ireland semi finals were fixed for the Aviva, they would also be playing at home and have an advantage. It's a rather strange complaint to make considering the All Ireland semi finals have been played in Croke Park for as long as anyone can remember, even when Dublin were in them, and I never heard anyone complain before.
Whatever about minors 'not playing there' it's a home match in terms of location and support. Very little travel needed. For the seniors those advantages are only increased.
Amazed anyone still tries to argue the semantics on that one.
How is it a home match in terms of location? Is the Aviva a home ground or Dalymount Park? If travel time is an advantage then surely Kildare and Meath share those advantages? As for support, there'll only be more support for Dublin if more Dubs turn up early and apparently they aren't real Gaels so if Donegal and Dublin meet in the All Ireland semi final then the Donegal minors will have all the support.
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 06, 2014, 04:02:11 PM
btw where else would you play the All Ireland Semis and Final
The U21 Semis and Final are usually played outside Croke Park ;)
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Quote from: Johnnybegood on August 06, 2014, 11:30:40 AM
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Dublin minors will play their remaining games at home. Fact! For the minor age group that is a massive plus. It'll be a massive deal for the other teams to play on Croke, not quite as big for Dublin.
bullshit
A very intellectual response there Johnny. So on what grounds doe you believe the above statement is bullshit? I await your answer with interest
But it is bullshit. Most of them have played once there. I can't see how that's deemed to be an advantage
You also have the issue IF Dublin and Donegal qualify for the senior semi final many Dublin die-hards will have to weigh up the idea of suffering narcolepsy from watching the same type of game twice in a row. Since donegal fans are brought up watching their teams play like Russell Crowe they will probably outnumber the Dublin fans on the day this making it more akin to Ballyshannon then Croke Park
I just groaned when I heard Donegal beat Roscommon knowing that I was going to have to go and watch at least one game of this attritional warfare that is regarded as Gaelic football these days.
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Dublin minors will play their remaining games at home. Fact! For the minor age group that is a massive plus. It'll be a massive deal for the other teams to play on Croke, not quite as big for Dublin.
bullshit
A very intellectual response there Johnny. So on what grounds doe you believe the above statement is bullshit? I await your answer with interest
But it is bullshit. Most of them have played once there. I can't see how that's deemed to be an advantage
You also have the issue IF Dublin and Donegal qualify for the senior semi final many Dublin die-hards will have to weigh up the idea of suffering narcolepsy from watching the same type of game twice in a row. Since donegal fans are brought up watching their teams play like Russell Crowe they will probably outnumber the Dublin fans on the day this making it more akin to Ballyshannon then Croke Park
I just groaned when I heard Donegal beat Roscommon knowing that I was going to have to go and watch at least one game of this attritional warfare that is regarded as Gaelic football these days.
Because ye were going to deal with Cork so easily, Indy? ;D
You were in for 12-14 men back whoever won the Donegal-Roscommon match. We wouldn't have been changing tacts if it had toppled Donegal.
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Quote from: ck on August 05, 2014, 02:04:48 PM
Dublin minors will play their remaining games at home. Fact! For the minor age group that is a massive plus. It'll be a massive deal for the other teams to play on Croke, not quite as big for Dublin.
bullshit
A very intellectual response there Johnny. So on what grounds doe you believe the above statement is bullshit? I await your answer with interest
But it is bullshit. Most of them have played once there. I can't see how that's deemed to be an advantage
You also have the issue IF Dublin and Donegal qualify for the senior semi final many Dublin die-hards will have to weigh up the idea of suffering narcolepsy from watching the same type of game twice in a row. Since donegal fans are brought up watching their teams play like Russell Crowe they will probably outnumber the Dublin fans on the day this making it more akin to Ballyshannon then Croke Park
I just groaned when I heard Donegal beat Roscommon knowing that I was going to have to go and watch at least one game of this attritional warfare that is regarded as Gaelic football these days.
Because ye were going to deal with Cork so easily, Indy? ;D
You were in for 12-14 men back whoever won the Donegal-Roscommon match. We wouldn't have been changing tacts if it had toppled Donegal.
Great way to be indocrininating lads playing the game. Didn't get you very far
http://www.thescore.ie/colaiste-eoin-marist-1351964-Mar2014/ how many of these Leinster school winners are now on the Dublin minor panel?
Playing so regularly in Croker is a big advantage for Dublin seniors as they now rarely play outside it. Not much of an issue for the minors, any Leinster team will have the same advantage of having played the Leinster final there. Distance from home to the stadium is an advantage for a good few eastern Leinster teams but that is what it is
I hope the Mayo minors have been reading on here and realise how good Kerry are this year, I wouldn't want them to be too disappointed when we get steamrolled in 3 weeks time
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Quote from: ck on August 05, 2014, 02:04:48 PM
Dublin minors will play their remaining games at home. Fact! For the minor age group that is a massive plus. It'll be a massive deal for the other teams to play on Croke, not quite as big for Dublin.
bullshit
A very intellectual response there Johnny. So on what grounds doe you believe the above statement is bullshit? I await your answer with interest
But it is bullshit. Most of them have played once there. I can't see how that's deemed to be an advantage
You also have the issue IF Dublin and Donegal qualify for the senior semi final many Dublin die-hards will have to weigh up the idea of suffering narcolepsy from watching the same type of game twice in a row. Since donegal fans are brought up watching their teams play like Russell Crowe they will probably outnumber the Dublin fans on the day this making it more akin to Ballyshannon then Croke Park
I just groaned when I heard Donegal beat Roscommon knowing that I was going to have to go and watch at least one game of this attritional warfare that is regarded as Gaelic football these days.
Because ye were going to deal with Cork so easily, Indy? ;D
You were in for 12-14 men back whoever won the Donegal-Roscommon match. We wouldn't have been changing tacts if it had toppled Donegal.
Great way to be indocrininating lads playing the game. Didn't get you very far
Got us a damn sight closer than the defending in the previous game would have.
While I agree it's always better to teach the skills of the game above any negative defensive system at underage in competitive ties there's always going to be situations where counties will have to resort to just that to give themselves what they consider the best shot.
Indiana still hasn't got over the 2011 game Dublin had with Donegal. Let it go man let it go ;D
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 06, 2014, 05:14:10 PM
Playing so regularly in Croker is a big advantage for Dublin seniors as they now rarely play outside it.
And for Mayo, I think both Mayo and Dublin should be made go on the road, of the 19 championship games Mayo have played since 2011 in Ireland, 10 of them have been in Croke Park. Thats almost 60% FFS. When will someone shout stop?? Seriously unfair advantage
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 06, 2014, 05:32:59 PM
Indiana still hasn't got over the 2011 game Dublin had with Donegal. Let it go man let it go ;D
The man may need therapy to help him cope with his obsession!
If Dublin and Donegal both win this Saturday, it could put him over the edge! ;D
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Quote from: ck on August 05, 2014, 02:04:48 PM
Dublin minors will play their remaining games at home. Fact! For the minor age group that is a massive plus. It'll be a massive deal for the other teams to play on Croke, not quite as big for Dublin.
bullshit
A very intellectual response there Johnny. So on what grounds doe you believe the above statement is bullshit? I await your answer with interest
But it is bullshit. Most of them have played once there. I can't see how that's deemed to be an advantage
You also have the issue IF Dublin and Donegal qualify for the senior semi final many Dublin die-hards will have to weigh up the idea of suffering narcolepsy from watching the same type of game twice in a row. Since donegal fans are brought up watching their teams play like Russell Crowe they will probably outnumber the Dublin fans on the day this making it more akin to Ballyshannon then Croke Park
I just groaned when I heard Donegal beat Roscommon knowing that I was going to have to go and watch at least one game of this attritional warfare that is regarded as Gaelic football these days.
Because ye were going to deal with Cork so easily, Indy? ;D
You were in for 12-14 men back whoever won the Donegal-Roscommon match. We wouldn't have been changing tacts if it had toppled Donegal.
Great way to be indocrininating lads playing the game. Didn't get you very far
Got us a damn sight closer than the defending in the previous game would have.
While I agree it's always better to teach the skills of the game above any negative defensive system at underage in competitive ties there's always going to be situations where counties will have to resort to just that to give themselves what they consider the best shot.
I don't do that I have to say with the teams I coach at underage. If I'm certain they aren't good enough to win the competition I will concentrate on teaching them the skills in the hope they will become higher skilled adult players. I see no value in training a team to play like donegal when the net result is failure anyway -as it was for Roscommon last week. That's just my opinion .
If Dublin don't beat donegal at minor this year one of the other two will in my view. I can see the merits at senior level of a team playing like donegal because the time spent training a team is so vast that you have to be doing it aimed at winning.
But it's worrying when you see minor teams playing it . Just means they haven't even tried to play an expansive game.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on August 06, 2014, 04:02:11 PM
btw where else would you play the All Ireland Semis and Final
The U21 Semis and Final are usually played outside Croke Park ;)
yes u21. Its always the tradition to have the Minor & Senior semi final and finals the same day
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Dublin minors will play their remaining games at home. Fact! For the minor age group that is a massive plus. It'll be a massive deal for the other teams to play on Croke, not quite as big for Dublin.
bullshit
A very intellectual response there Johnny. So on what grounds doe you believe the above statement is bullshit? I await your answer with interest
But it is bullshit. Most of them have played once there. I can't see how that's deemed to be an advantage
You also have the issue IF Dublin and Donegal qualify for the senior semi final many Dublin die-hards will have to weigh up the idea of suffering narcolepsy from watching the same type of game twice in a row. Since donegal fans are brought up watching their teams play like Russell Crowe they will probably outnumber the Dublin fans on the day this making it more akin to Ballyshannon then Croke Park
I just groaned when I heard Donegal beat Roscommon knowing that I was going to have to go and watch at least one game of this attritional warfare that is regarded as Gaelic football these days.
Because ye were going to deal with Cork so easily, Indy? ;D
You were in for 12-14 men back whoever won the Donegal-Roscommon match. We wouldn't have been changing tacts if it had toppled Donegal.
Great way to be indocrininating lads playing the game. Didn't get you very far
Got us a damn sight closer than the defending in the previous game would have.
While I agree it's always better to teach the skills of the game above any negative defensive system at underage in competitive ties there's always going to be situations where counties will have to resort to just that to give themselves what they consider the best shot.
I don't do that I have to say with the teams I coach at underage. If I'm certain they aren't good enough to win the competition I will concentrate on teaching them the skills in the hope they will become higher skilled adult players. I see no value in training a team to play like donegal when the net result is failure anyway -as it was for Roscommon last week. That's just my opinion .
If Dublin don't beat donegal at minor this year one of the other two will in my view. I can see the merits at senior level of a team playing like donegal because the time spent training a team is so vast that you have to be doing it aimed at winning.
But it's worrying when you see minor teams playing it . Just means they haven't even tried to play an expansive game.
Jokes aside, that is a good point.
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Dublin minors will play their remaining games at home. Fact! For the minor age group that is a massive plus. It'll be a massive deal for the other teams to play on Croke, not quite as big for Dublin.
bullshit
A very intellectual response there Johnny. So on what grounds doe you believe the above statement is bullshit? I await your answer with interest
But it is bullshit. Most of them have played once there. I can't see how that's deemed to be an advantage
You also have the issue IF Dublin and Donegal qualify for the senior semi final many Dublin die-hards will have to weigh up the idea of suffering narcolepsy from watching the same type of game twice in a row. Since donegal fans are brought up watching their teams play like Russell Crowe they will probably outnumber the Dublin fans on the day this making it more akin to Ballyshannon then Croke Park
I just groaned when I heard Donegal beat Roscommon knowing that I was going to have to go and watch at least one game of this attritional warfare that is regarded as Gaelic football these days.
Because ye were going to deal with Cork so easily, Indy? ;D
You were in for 12-14 men back whoever won the Donegal-Roscommon match. We wouldn't have been changing tacts if it had toppled Donegal.
Great way to be indocrininating lads playing the game. Didn't get you very far
Got us a damn sight closer than the defending in the previous game would have.
While I agree it's always better to teach the skills of the game above any negative defensive system at underage in competitive ties there's always going to be situations where counties will have to resort to just that to give themselves what they consider the best shot.
I don't do that I have to say with the teams I coach at underage. If I'm certain they aren't good enough to win the competition I will concentrate on teaching them the skills in the hope they will become higher skilled adult players. I see no value in training a team to play like donegal when the net result is failure anyway -as it was for Roscommon last week. That's just my opinion .
If Dublin don't beat donegal at minor this year one of the other two will in my view. I can see the merits at senior level of a team playing like donegal because the time spent training a team is so vast that you have to be doing it aimed at winning.
But it's worrying when you see minor teams playing it . Just means they haven't even tried to play an expansive game.
Jokes aside, that is a good point.
thanks ;D
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Dublin minors will play their remaining games at home. Fact! For the minor age group that is a massive plus. It'll be a massive deal for the other teams to play on Croke, not quite as big for Dublin.
bullshit
A very intellectual response there Johnny. So on what grounds doe you believe the above statement is bullshit? I await your answer with interest
But it is bullshit. Most of them have played once there. I can't see how that's deemed to be an advantage
You also have the issue IF Dublin and Donegal qualify for the senior semi final many Dublin die-hards will have to weigh up the idea of suffering narcolepsy from watching the same type of game twice in a row. Since donegal fans are brought up watching their teams play like Russell Crowe they will probably outnumber the Dublin fans on the day this making it more akin to Ballyshannon then Croke Park
I just groaned when I heard Donegal beat Roscommon knowing that I was going to have to go and watch at least one game of this attritional warfare that is regarded as Gaelic football these days.
So most of the Dublin minors have played there once? Once more than the other 3 teams left. How many Kerry, Mayo or Donegal players will sleep in their own beds the night before the semi final? Dublin playing at home, particularly at minor level, gives them an advantage. It's a simple and straight forward point that is rejected by a few heads stuck in the sand.
BTW I was at the Roscommon game and it was Donegal in fairness who tried to play the football against 2 Roscommon parked buses!
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So most of the Dublin minors have played there once? Once more than the other 3 teams left. How many Kerry, Mayo or Donegal players will sleep in their own beds the night before the semi final? Dublin playing at home, particularly at minor level, gives them an advantage. It's a simple and straight forward point that is rejected by a few heads stuck in the sand.
BTW I was at the Roscommon game and it was Donegal in fairness who tried to play the football against 2 Roscommon parked buses!
Honestly, a night in their own beds is an advantage? Maybe you should let all the AISF contenders know that the secret to success is not travelling down the night before, but instead gathering at a random point in Dublin, not in Croke Park, on the morning of the match instead. I do despair.
They'll be playing in an AI semi-final, in front of the biggest crowds of their lives, and against better opposition than they've faced all season, in a stadium they have rarely if ever played in. The players will be up to high dough no matter what bed they sleep in.
By the way, if Croke Park experience is actually an advantage, then it's advantage Mayo minors. A fair chunk of them were there twice last season, and all of them were there this season already.
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Dublin minors will play their remaining games at home. Fact! For the minor age group that is a massive plus. It'll be a massive deal for the other teams to play on Croke, not quite as big for Dublin.
bullshit
A very intellectual response there Johnny. So on what grounds doe you believe the above statement is bullshit? I await your answer with interest
But it is bullshit. Most of them have played once there. I can't see how that's deemed to be an advantage
You also have the issue IF Dublin and Donegal qualify for the senior semi final many Dublin die-hards will have to weigh up the idea of suffering narcolepsy from watching the same type of game twice in a row. Since donegal fans are brought up watching their teams play like Russell Crowe they will probably outnumber the Dublin fans on the day this making it more akin to Ballyshannon then Croke Park
I just groaned when I heard Donegal beat Roscommon knowing that I was going to have to go and watch at least one game of this attritional warfare that is regarded as Gaelic football these days.
So most of the Dublin minors have played there once? Once more than the other 3 teams left. How many Kerry, Mayo or Donegal players will sleep in their own beds the night before the semi final? Dublin playing at home, particularly at minor level, gives them an advantage. It's a simple and straight forward point that is rejected by a few heads stuck in the sand.
BTW I was at the Roscommon game and it was Donegal in fairness who tried to play the football against 2 Roscommon parked buses!
In fairness for the minors this is less of an issue. In fact I don't think it's an advantage at all really. Their routine is not set at this stage, like the seniors, so the 'sleeping in your own bed' is not as important. (In fact that's only really relevant when it becomes part of the overall routine).
Minors have played in Croker in the Leinster final, and that would be an advantage regardless of who won Leinster. I don't think that's any reason to complain about it.
I know where you are coming from, but for Minors I don't think this is an issue.
Do you AZ? Sounds to me like he's on a wind up. As you point out, the seniors have a routine regarding Croke Park which they are familiar with and is therefore a help, this isn't the case with the minors. There's no way you can conclusively say that a team sleeping in their own beds the night before a match have an advantage. I'm not a Dub, nor do I have any connection to the the county but I like to think I'm fair minded and to me, some of the nonsense bring posted about the dubs is letting the board down.
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Dublin minors will play their remaining games at home. Fact! For the minor age group that is a massive plus. It'll be a massive deal for the other teams to play on Croke, not quite as big for Dublin.
bullshit
The Donegal, Mayo,
A very intellectual response there Johnny. So on what grounds doe you believe the above statement is bullshit? I await your answer with interest
But it is bullshit. Most of them have played once there. I can't see how that's deemed to be an advantage
You also have the issue IF Dublin and Donegal qualify for the senior semi final many Dublin die-hards will have to weigh up the idea of suffering narcolepsy from watching the same type of game twice in a row. Since donegal fans are brought up watching their teams play like Russell Crowe they will probably outnumber the Dublin fans on the day this making it more akin to Ballyshannon then Croke Park
I just groaned when I heard Donegal beat Roscommon knowing that I was going to have to go and watch at least one game of this attritional warfare that is regarded as Gaelic football these days.
So most of the Dublin minors have played there once? Once more than the other 3 teams left. How many Kerry, Mayo or Donegal players will sleep in their own beds the night before the semi final? Dublin playing at home, particularly at minor level, gives them an advantage. It's a simple and straight forward point that is rejected by a few heads stuck in the sand.
BTW I was at the Roscommon game and it was Donegal in fairness who tried to play the football against 2 Roscommon parked buses!
If you are putting the boot in then the bare minimum requirement is to get your facts right. Mayo have played in CP already this year. Of the 8 quarter finalists 4 of them got to play in CP once this year.
A long time since I was a minor but I find it hard to believe that a stay in a hotel in Dublin the night before a game is a hardship. Plenty of time collectively together to prepare for the game together with the benefits of a collective preparation for a game. Would think it a hugely exciting and enjoyable experience tbh and only of benefit.
A long time since I was a minor but I find it hard to believe that a stay in a hotel in Dublin the night before a game is a hardship. Plenty of time collectively together to prepare for the game together with the benefits of a collective preparation for a game. Would think it a hugely exciting and enjoyable experience tbh and only of benefit.
[/quote]well said
Most if all not GAA players dream of playing in croke park and they all to a man will be trying their darnedest to play out of their skins in a big game on Croker especially against Dublin
And travelling to the game together will only help them bond together and be a tight knit group which transcends onto the pitch
Dublin are actually at a disadvantage in this regard ! Fact !
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well said
Most if all not GAA players dream of playing in croke park and they all to a man will be trying their darnedest to play out of their skins in a big game on Croker especially against Dublin
And travelling to the game together will only help them bond together and be a tight knit group which transcends onto the pitch
Dublin are actually at a disadvantage in this regard ! Fact !
We should give Dublin some money to make up the competitive disadvantage.
Delete Roscommon from the poll Syferus.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 08, 2014, 09:32:31 PM
Delete Roscommon from the poll Syferus.
I added the poll after the weekend 8)
I could combine Roscommon and Mayo into one option if you'd prefer, Farr?
Was watching the highlights of the Dublin minor quarter final earlier in the week – does the keeper put a lot of effort into targeting his kick-outs a la Cluxton rather than just hoofing it out the field like a lot of keepers do? It was hard to see for certain on the highlights but it seemed like he was.
Probably something most young keepers should be doing these days
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 13, 2014, 03:32:53 PM
Was watching the highlights of the Dublin minor quarter final earlier in the week – does the keeper put a lot of effort into targeting his kick-outs a la Cluxton rather than just hoofing it out the field like a lot of keepers do? It was hard to see for certain on the highlights but it seemed like he was.
Probably something most young keepers should be doing these days
The Mayo minor keeper gave a masterclass of kick-outs in the Connacht final. Some of them were just fantastic, the sorts of balls that you'd be amazed even if it was Cluxton who was doing the kicking.
On this topic, wee Osin just wrote an article for GAA.ie:
QuoteWhen I started playing football, goalkeepers were, for want of a better word, clowns. They were almost invariably 'characters' of some description – jokers, messers, whatever you want to call them – but whatever they were, they certainly weren't key men on the teams I played on in my early days.
Kicking around as kids at school or wherever, the lad who ended up in goals was usually the least athletic kid around. It was a position no-one wanted to be in, because it was seen as something that didn't really matter. Essentially, if you were no good out the field, you ended up in goals.
That situation might seem sort of childish and not bearing any relation to how things were at adult level, but things actually didn't change that much when I started playing senior football. Even at inter-county level it was a bit like that.
Benny Tierney and Paul Hearty are the two goalkeepers that I played most of my adult football with. Now Paul is a serious character. It's probably not fair to call him a header (I know him well, so I can get away with that), but I think it's fair to say he's a bit of a loose cannon, as I think the following story attests to.
Benny Tierney actually told me this one. There was this day that Packie Bonner was up doing a coaching course in Armagh. Bonner was going through various drills and exercises, and for some reason, Paul decides to start belting balls around the place. He starts driving kicks around, and one of them ends up smacking Packie on the side of the head. Totally accidental of course, but when I heard it I wasn't surprised. That's just the sort of stuff they did.
As for Benny, he's probably one of the funniest people on the planet. He was born to be an after-dinner speaker, and he was always a great person to sit beside on the bus because he'd make you so relaxed going to a game with his carry on. This was what I grew up expecting goalkeepers to be like - entertainers and characters - because it just didn't feel like they were an integral part of the team.
To say that situation has changed is quite the understatement. The thing about Paul and Benny is that they were part of the first generation of goalkeepers who had to change the way they played, because of the way the position transformed itself over the last 15 years. It's an interesting thing about Benny, but one of the things he is most known for in Armagh now is for a kick-out in the 2002 All-Ireland final.
Diarmuid Marsden made a 50 yard dash across the field in the second half, and Benny picked him out with a perfect kick. Marsden gave it to Andy McCann, McCann gave it me, I gave it to Paul McGrane, McGrane gave it back to me and the ball ended up in the back of the net. That goal was in many ways a forerunner to the way modern football is played.
It wasn't the first time I became aware of the importance of a clever kick-out strategy though. In 1997, a week after we won the Armagh Championship with Crossmaglen, Paul Hearty broke his leg in an accident. My brother Jarlath was a wing-forward but he was picked to replace Hearty in goals. Now he was very accurate with short kicks, but he obviously didn't have the ability that Hearty had to land 70 yard kicks down on top of the two McEntees, Colm O'Neill and Anthony Cunningham.
So we had to change our strategy around as Jarlath had to kick to the wings, generally aiming for our half backs or half forwards, as he didn't have the distance for the midfield. What I remember most clearly about it was that suddenly, every single member of the team had to take an interest in kick-outs, because we all had to do our job for it to function properly. Jarlath played all the way through from the first round of Ulster to St. Patrick's Day in Croke Park, and we won the All-Ireland so he did his job. Paul returned between the posts the following year, but it was the start of something in all our heads.
Under Joe Kernan with Armagh a few years later, we started to work more and more on kick-out strategies. Every time we conceded a big score, everyone vacated the left hand side of the field and the centre half forward would run into the space and collect the ball directly from the kick-out. We might only do it once or twice in a game, but we did it and it worked. Now, most of our kick-outs we still aimed at our main midfielder, but suddenly you began to appreciate there was more to it than that. It wasn't just about hoofing the ball anymore. It was about keeping possession.
That's essentially why kick-outs, and therefore goalkeepers, are now so important. The way teams look at it now is that they think: "That's ours". That's a line-out in rugby, that's a throw-in in soccer. When we have that ball, that's ours and we need to hold onto it. It has developed from those early stages into a highly complex system now, whereby most top teams will have eight or nine different kick-out strategies, which an entire team needs to be up to speed with in order for them to function properly.
FOUR MASTERS
I don't think it's a coincidence that the best four goalkeepers in Ireland are the ones whose teams have reached the All-Ireland semi-finals this year - Stephen Cluxton (Dublin), Robert Hennelly (Mayo), Paul Durcan (Donegal) and Brian Kelly (Kerry).
Cluxton. Where do you start? Over the last 100 years, I would seriously doubt if any player has had as much influence on the way Gaelic football is played as Stephen Cluxton. He changed the game. At the time when teams were starting to think properly about the kick-out, he came along and perfected that art. Every decent goalkeeper that has followed him has tried to do the same. Dublin now have such a complex kick-out strategy, and what makes it so hard to defend against is that they have so many options. Cluxton can kick it wherever he likes, and the Dublin team are now so clued in to where it's going, they all know which space to vacate, when to do so and who is going to fill it.
Now I haven't seen much of Kerry's Brian Kelly, but from what I have seen I've been very impressed. I think he has everything. He's not a very imposing figure, but neither is Cluxton, and one of the things that gives them both such command of their areas is that they are both such good footballers in their own right. They are genuine 'sweeper-keepers' and both look well capable of playing out the field. It's early days in Kelly's career, but I think Kerry fans can feel pretty optimistic about his future.
I think Hennelly also has a lot to offer. He's blessed in that he has some of the best midfielders in Ireland to aim at, but he is excellent at picking out his players, whether that be one of the O'Sheas, Barry Moran or one of the half-forwards. As well as that, Hennelly has a huge punt on him, something he has in common with Donegal's Paul Durcan, who I think deserves special praise here.
Durcan is an outstanding goalkeeper and I'm not sure he always gets the credit for it. He is a master of the kick-out. One of his kicks I like to call "the low flying helicopter" (apt, considering where I come from), and I call it that because he is capable of drilling these low stingers onto a man's chest. They are neither long nor short ones, just brilliantly accurate ones that are at such a height that they give the man winning it a big advantage on his marker when he receives possession. He always finds his man, and he is also excellent at disguising his kicks. I would put him right up there with Cluxton.
TO PUSH UP OR NOT TO PUSH UP
Kick-outs are now arguably the major tactical talking point of any game. Let's look ahead to the semi-finals quickly in this regard. One of my pet hates at the moment is teams conceding the kick-out, as in when they don't push up on short ones. Like Kildare against Monaghan and subsequently, Monaghan against Dublin. Monaghan would have been beaten by Dublin no matter what happened on Saturday, but they didn't help themselves by allowing Dublin have constant control of the ball from their own kick-outs.
Will Donegal just give up possession of the ball against Dublin in the semi-final? If they do, I think Dublin will wipe the floor with them. If they push up and challenge the kick-outs, they might compete. I believe that if any team is going to challenge Dublin, they are simply going to have to challenge Cluxton's kick-outs. Meath did it brilliantly in the 2013 Leinster final and actually led that game at half-time. When you push up on his kick-outs, you force him to go long. That frustrates Dublin and will suit any team with a powerful middle third crop of players.
If Mayo for example were to play Dublin and make Cluxton kick the ball to the middle of the field, then I believe they could win 70 per cent of possession in that sector. That's not saying they will win the All-Ireland but that is the thing they need to do to have a chance, because they have the players for it. The two O'Sheas and Barry Moran on the primary stuff and then the likes of Alan Dillon and Kevin McLoughlin on breaks.
CHANGED PRIORITIES
What a manager now looks for in a goalkeeper is the following, in this order: 1) Overall kick-out ability, 2) Presence/command of area, 3.)Shotstopping and 4) Potential ability to kick frees or '45's. It's not that long ago that kick-out ability would have been third on that list and the potential ability to kick frees or '45's wouldn't have even been on it, although Roscommon's Shane Curran might have argued otherwise back in the day. (For the record, I'm not a fan of goalkeepers kicking placed balls. I think that's a forward's job, and if they can't do it, it reflects poorly on them.)
The standards have risen, and when standards rise, possession is everything to teams. Most teams now think that if they win the majority of possession in the middle of the field, they will be good enough to win the game. I often hear people that I respect within the game bemoan the fact that the 'midfield battle' has gone. The midfield battle is certainly not what people thought it was, but it's still a midfield battle. It's those middle eight, it's about who can gain possession of the ball, and in tandem with the transformed role of goalkeepers is the transformed role of these middle third operators, especially half forwards.
Half forwards are now the most hard-working players on the team, or at least, they should be. They have got a couple of jobs now. They are responsible a lot of the time for winning primary possession, like Paul Flynn. He's responsible for winning breaks around the middle. He also has to track his own man and to get his body into defence as much as possible. He also has to get up and get scores, like he did again against Monaghan. How he is able to master all those things makes him the most complete footballer in the game I think.
THE ANTI-CLOWN
So that's the way things are now, but in some ways, I miss the days when goalkeepers were 'characters'. For example, I would love if Stephen Cluxton was a bit of a clown. But when you think about it, he's actually the 'Anti-Clown' in many ways. He is serious all the time, he doesn't talk to the media and he seems totally and utterly dedicated to achieving an almost robotic like perfection to everything he does.
I know it's asking a lot, but it's nice when goalkeepers are that little bit different. Had Benny Tierney not being around, my football career would not have been as enjoyable as it was. And from what I hear from inter-county players at the moment, there seems to be a lot less of those characters around and some of the fun might be going out of things a little.
Now, there wasn't much fun in what we were doing a lot of the time either, it must be said, but there definitely seems to be less of those characters. Perhaps that's just the price you pay for rising standards, and nowhere have the standards risen more than between the sticks.
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/1308141002-column-oisin-mcconville-on-football/
Good article (as usual from Osin) on the mechanics albeit one that feeds into the myth and gives Cluxton too much credit for revolutionising something that was already in motion before he even put on a Dublin jesey.. someone still isn't over the clown prince ending his footballing career on February 16th 2013 >:( >:(
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2014, 05:16:29 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 13, 2014, 03:32:53 PM
Was watching the highlights of the Dublin minor quarter final earlier in the week – does the keeper put a lot of effort into targeting his kick-outs a la Cluxton rather than just hoofing it out the field like a lot of keepers do? It was hard to see for certain on the highlights but it seemed like he was.
Probably something most young keepers should be doing these days
The Mayo minor keeper gave a masterclass of kick-outs in the Connacht final. Some of them were just fantastic, the sorts of balls that you'd be amazed even if it was Cluxton who was doing the kicking.
On this topic, wee Osin just wrote an article for GAA.ie:
QuoteWhen I started playing football, goalkeepers were, for want of a better word, clowns. They were almost invariably 'characters' of some description – jokers, messers, whatever you want to call them – but whatever they were, they certainly weren't key men on the teams I played on in my early days.
Kicking around as kids at school or wherever, the lad who ended up in goals was usually the least athletic kid around. It was a position no-one wanted to be in, because it was seen as something that didn't really matter. Essentially, if you were no good out the field, you ended up in goals.
That situation might seem sort of childish and not bearing any relation to how things were at adult level, but things actually didn't change that much when I started playing senior football. Even at inter-county level it was a bit like that.
Benny Tierney and Paul Hearty are the two goalkeepers that I played most of my adult football with. Now Paul is a serious character. It's probably not fair to call him a header (I know him well, so I can get away with that), but I think it's fair to say he's a bit of a loose cannon, as I think the following story attests to.
Benny Tierney actually told me this one. There was this day that Packie Bonner was up doing a coaching course in Armagh. Bonner was going through various drills and exercises, and for some reason, Paul decides to start belting balls around the place. He starts driving kicks around, and one of them ends up smacking Packie on the side of the head. Totally accidental of course, but when I heard it I wasn't surprised. That's just the sort of stuff they did.
As for Benny, he's probably one of the funniest people on the planet. He was born to be an after-dinner speaker, and he was always a great person to sit beside on the bus because he'd make you so relaxed going to a game with his carry on. This was what I grew up expecting goalkeepers to be like - entertainers and characters - because it just didn't feel like they were an integral part of the team.
To say that situation has changed is quite the understatement. The thing about Paul and Benny is that they were part of the first generation of goalkeepers who had to change the way they played, because of the way the position transformed itself over the last 15 years. It's an interesting thing about Benny, but one of the things he is most known for in Armagh now is for a kick-out in the 2002 All-Ireland final.
Diarmuid Marsden made a 50 yard dash across the field in the second half, and Benny picked him out with a perfect kick. Marsden gave it to Andy McCann, McCann gave it me, I gave it to Paul McGrane, McGrane gave it back to me and the ball ended up in the back of the net. That goal was in many ways a forerunner to the way modern football is played.
It wasn't the first time I became aware of the importance of a clever kick-out strategy though. In 1997, a week after we won the Armagh Championship with Crossmaglen, Paul Hearty broke his leg in an accident. My brother Jarlath was a wing-forward but he was picked to replace Hearty in goals. Now he was very accurate with short kicks, but he obviously didn't have the ability that Hearty had to land 70 yard kicks down on top of the two McEntees, Colm O'Neill and Anthony Cunningham.
So we had to change our strategy around as Jarlath had to kick to the wings, generally aiming for our half backs or half forwards, as he didn't have the distance for the midfield. What I remember most clearly about it was that suddenly, every single member of the team had to take an interest in kick-outs, because we all had to do our job for it to function properly. Jarlath played all the way through from the first round of Ulster to St. Patrick's Day in Croke Park, and we won the All-Ireland so he did his job. Paul returned between the posts the following year, but it was the start of something in all our heads.
Under Joe Kernan with Armagh a few years later, we started to work more and more on kick-out strategies. Every time we conceded a big score, everyone vacated the left hand side of the field and the centre half forward would run into the space and collect the ball directly from the kick-out. We might only do it once or twice in a game, but we did it and it worked. Now, most of our kick-outs we still aimed at our main midfielder, but suddenly you began to appreciate there was more to it than that. It wasn't just about hoofing the ball anymore. It was about keeping possession.
That's essentially why kick-outs, and therefore goalkeepers, are now so important. The way teams look at it now is that they think: "That's ours". That's a line-out in rugby, that's a throw-in in soccer. When we have that ball, that's ours and we need to hold onto it. It has developed from those early stages into a highly complex system now, whereby most top teams will have eight or nine different kick-out strategies, which an entire team needs to be up to speed with in order for them to function properly.
FOUR MASTERS
I don't think it's a coincidence that the best four goalkeepers in Ireland are the ones whose teams have reached the All-Ireland semi-finals this year - Stephen Cluxton (Dublin), Robert Hennelly (Mayo), Paul Durcan (Donegal) and Brian Kelly (Kerry).
Cluxton. Where do you start? Over the last 100 years, I would seriously doubt if any player has had as much influence on the way Gaelic football is played as Stephen Cluxton. He changed the game. At the time when teams were starting to think properly about the kick-out, he came along and perfected that art. Every decent goalkeeper that has followed him has tried to do the same. Dublin now have such a complex kick-out strategy, and what makes it so hard to defend against is that they have so many options. Cluxton can kick it wherever he likes, and the Dublin team are now so clued in to where it's going, they all know which space to vacate, when to do so and who is going to fill it.
Now I haven't seen much of Kerry's Brian Kelly, but from what I have seen I've been very impressed. I think he has everything. He's not a very imposing figure, but neither is Cluxton, and one of the things that gives them both such command of their areas is that they are both such good footballers in their own right. They are genuine 'sweeper-keepers' and both look well capable of playing out the field. It's early days in Kelly's career, but I think Kerry fans can feel pretty optimistic about his future.
I think Hennelly also has a lot to offer. He's blessed in that he has some of the best midfielders in Ireland to aim at, but he is excellent at picking out his players, whether that be one of the O'Sheas, Barry Moran or one of the half-forwards. As well as that, Hennelly has a huge punt on him, something he has in common with Donegal's Paul Durcan, who I think deserves special praise here.
Durcan is an outstanding goalkeeper and I'm not sure he always gets the credit for it. He is a master of the kick-out. One of his kicks I like to call "the low flying helicopter" (apt, considering where I come from), and I call it that because he is capable of drilling these low stingers onto a man's chest. They are neither long nor short ones, just brilliantly accurate ones that are at such a height that they give the man winning it a big advantage on his marker when he receives possession. He always finds his man, and he is also excellent at disguising his kicks. I would put him right up there with Cluxton.
TO PUSH UP OR NOT TO PUSH UP
Kick-outs are now arguably the major tactical talking point of any game. Let's look ahead to the semi-finals quickly in this regard. One of my pet hates at the moment is teams conceding the kick-out, as in when they don't push up on short ones. Like Kildare against Monaghan and subsequently, Monaghan against Dublin. Monaghan would have been beaten by Dublin no matter what happened on Saturday, but they didn't help themselves by allowing Dublin have constant control of the ball from their own kick-outs.
Will Donegal just give up possession of the ball against Dublin in the semi-final? If they do, I think Dublin will wipe the floor with them. If they push up and challenge the kick-outs, they might compete. I believe that if any team is going to challenge Dublin, they are simply going to have to challenge Cluxton's kick-outs. Meath did it brilliantly in the 2013 Leinster final and actually led that game at half-time. When you push up on his kick-outs, you force him to go long. That frustrates Dublin and will suit any team with a powerful middle third crop of players.
If Mayo for example were to play Dublin and make Cluxton kick the ball to the middle of the field, then I believe they could win 70 per cent of possession in that sector. That's not saying they will win the All-Ireland but that is the thing they need to do to have a chance, because they have the players for it. The two O'Sheas and Barry Moran on the primary stuff and then the likes of Alan Dillon and Kevin McLoughlin on breaks.
CHANGED PRIORITIES
What a manager now looks for in a goalkeeper is the following, in this order: 1) Overall kick-out ability, 2) Presence/command of area, 3.)Shotstopping and 4) Potential ability to kick frees or '45's. It's not that long ago that kick-out ability would have been third on that list and the potential ability to kick frees or '45's wouldn't have even been on it, although Roscommon's Shane Curran might have argued otherwise back in the day. (For the record, I'm not a fan of goalkeepers kicking placed balls. I think that's a forward's job, and if they can't do it, it reflects poorly on them.)
The standards have risen, and when standards rise, possession is everything to teams. Most teams now think that if they win the majority of possession in the middle of the field, they will be good enough to win the game. I often hear people that I respect within the game bemoan the fact that the 'midfield battle' has gone. The midfield battle is certainly not what people thought it was, but it's still a midfield battle. It's those middle eight, it's about who can gain possession of the ball, and in tandem with the transformed role of goalkeepers is the transformed role of these middle third operators, especially half forwards.
Half forwards are now the most hard-working players on the team, or at least, they should be. They have got a couple of jobs now. They are responsible a lot of the time for winning primary possession, like Paul Flynn. He's responsible for winning breaks around the middle. He also has to track his own man and to get his body into defence as much as possible. He also has to get up and get scores, like he did again against Monaghan. How he is able to master all those things makes him the most complete footballer in the game I think.
THE ANTI-CLOWN
So that's the way things are now, but in some ways, I miss the days when goalkeepers were 'characters'. For example, I would love if Stephen Cluxton was a bit of a clown. But when you think about it, he's actually the 'Anti-Clown' in many ways. He is serious all the time, he doesn't talk to the media and he seems totally and utterly dedicated to achieving an almost robotic like perfection to everything he does.
I know it's asking a lot, but it's nice when goalkeepers are that little bit different. Had Benny Tierney not being around, my football career would not have been as enjoyable as it was. And from what I hear from inter-county players at the moment, there seems to be a lot less of those characters around and some of the fun might be going out of things a little.
Now, there wasn't much fun in what we were doing a lot of the time either, it must be said, but there definitely seems to be less of those characters. Perhaps that's just the price you pay for rising standards, and nowhere have the standards risen more than between the sticks.
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/1308141002-column-oisin-mcconville-on-football/
Good article (as usual from Osin) on the mechanics albeit one that feeds into the myth and gives Cluxton too much credit for revolutionising something that was already in motion before he even put on a Dublin jesey.. someone still isn't over the clown prince ending his footballing career on February 16th 2013 >:( >:(
Did you get the script yet Syferus? Roscommon lost.
As regards goalkeepers- every keeper in Ireland copies Cluxton- because he's the best keeper the game has ever seen.
That's what young people do.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 13, 2014, 06:50:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2014, 05:16:29 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 13, 2014, 03:32:53 PM
Was watching the highlights of the Dublin minor quarter final earlier in the week – does the keeper put a lot of effort into targeting his kick-outs a la Cluxton rather than just hoofing it out the field like a lot of keepers do? It was hard to see for certain on the highlights but it seemed like he was.
Probably something most young keepers should be doing these days
The Mayo minor keeper gave a masterclass of kick-outs in the Connacht final. Some of them were just fantastic, the sorts of balls that you'd be amazed even if it was Cluxton who was doing the kicking.
On this topic, wee Osin just wrote an article for GAA.ie:
QuoteWhen I started playing football, goalkeepers were, for want of a better word, clowns. They were almost invariably 'characters' of some description – jokers, messers, whatever you want to call them – but whatever they were, they certainly weren't key men on the teams I played on in my early days.
Kicking around as kids at school or wherever, the lad who ended up in goals was usually the least athletic kid around. It was a position no-one wanted to be in, because it was seen as something that didn't really matter. Essentially, if you were no good out the field, you ended up in goals.
That situation might seem sort of childish and not bearing any relation to how things were at adult level, but things actually didn't change that much when I started playing senior football. Even at inter-county level it was a bit like that.
Benny Tierney and Paul Hearty are the two goalkeepers that I played most of my adult football with. Now Paul is a serious character. It's probably not fair to call him a header (I know him well, so I can get away with that), but I think it's fair to say he's a bit of a loose cannon, as I think the following story attests to.
Benny Tierney actually told me this one. There was this day that Packie Bonner was up doing a coaching course in Armagh. Bonner was going through various drills and exercises, and for some reason, Paul decides to start belting balls around the place. He starts driving kicks around, and one of them ends up smacking Packie on the side of the head. Totally accidental of course, but when I heard it I wasn't surprised. That's just the sort of stuff they did.
As for Benny, he's probably one of the funniest people on the planet. He was born to be an after-dinner speaker, and he was always a great person to sit beside on the bus because he'd make you so relaxed going to a game with his carry on. This was what I grew up expecting goalkeepers to be like - entertainers and characters - because it just didn't feel like they were an integral part of the team.
To say that situation has changed is quite the understatement. The thing about Paul and Benny is that they were part of the first generation of goalkeepers who had to change the way they played, because of the way the position transformed itself over the last 15 years. It's an interesting thing about Benny, but one of the things he is most known for in Armagh now is for a kick-out in the 2002 All-Ireland final.
Diarmuid Marsden made a 50 yard dash across the field in the second half, and Benny picked him out with a perfect kick. Marsden gave it to Andy McCann, McCann gave it me, I gave it to Paul McGrane, McGrane gave it back to me and the ball ended up in the back of the net. That goal was in many ways a forerunner to the way modern football is played.
It wasn't the first time I became aware of the importance of a clever kick-out strategy though. In 1997, a week after we won the Armagh Championship with Crossmaglen, Paul Hearty broke his leg in an accident. My brother Jarlath was a wing-forward but he was picked to replace Hearty in goals. Now he was very accurate with short kicks, but he obviously didn't have the ability that Hearty had to land 70 yard kicks down on top of the two McEntees, Colm O'Neill and Anthony Cunningham.
So we had to change our strategy around as Jarlath had to kick to the wings, generally aiming for our half backs or half forwards, as he didn't have the distance for the midfield. What I remember most clearly about it was that suddenly, every single member of the team had to take an interest in kick-outs, because we all had to do our job for it to function properly. Jarlath played all the way through from the first round of Ulster to St. Patrick's Day in Croke Park, and we won the All-Ireland so he did his job. Paul returned between the posts the following year, but it was the start of something in all our heads.
Under Joe Kernan with Armagh a few years later, we started to work more and more on kick-out strategies. Every time we conceded a big score, everyone vacated the left hand side of the field and the centre half forward would run into the space and collect the ball directly from the kick-out. We might only do it once or twice in a game, but we did it and it worked. Now, most of our kick-outs we still aimed at our main midfielder, but suddenly you began to appreciate there was more to it than that. It wasn't just about hoofing the ball anymore. It was about keeping possession.
That's essentially why kick-outs, and therefore goalkeepers, are now so important. The way teams look at it now is that they think: "That's ours". That's a line-out in rugby, that's a throw-in in soccer. When we have that ball, that's ours and we need to hold onto it. It has developed from those early stages into a highly complex system now, whereby most top teams will have eight or nine different kick-out strategies, which an entire team needs to be up to speed with in order for them to function properly.
FOUR MASTERS
I don't think it's a coincidence that the best four goalkeepers in Ireland are the ones whose teams have reached the All-Ireland semi-finals this year - Stephen Cluxton (Dublin), Robert Hennelly (Mayo), Paul Durcan (Donegal) and Brian Kelly (Kerry).
Cluxton. Where do you start? Over the last 100 years, I would seriously doubt if any player has had as much influence on the way Gaelic football is played as Stephen Cluxton. He changed the game. At the time when teams were starting to think properly about the kick-out, he came along and perfected that art. Every decent goalkeeper that has followed him has tried to do the same. Dublin now have such a complex kick-out strategy, and what makes it so hard to defend against is that they have so many options. Cluxton can kick it wherever he likes, and the Dublin team are now so clued in to where it's going, they all know which space to vacate, when to do so and who is going to fill it.
Now I haven't seen much of Kerry's Brian Kelly, but from what I have seen I've been very impressed. I think he has everything. He's not a very imposing figure, but neither is Cluxton, and one of the things that gives them both such command of their areas is that they are both such good footballers in their own right. They are genuine 'sweeper-keepers' and both look well capable of playing out the field. It's early days in Kelly's career, but I think Kerry fans can feel pretty optimistic about his future.
I think Hennelly also has a lot to offer. He's blessed in that he has some of the best midfielders in Ireland to aim at, but he is excellent at picking out his players, whether that be one of the O'Sheas, Barry Moran or one of the half-forwards. As well as that, Hennelly has a huge punt on him, something he has in common with Donegal's Paul Durcan, who I think deserves special praise here.
Durcan is an outstanding goalkeeper and I'm not sure he always gets the credit for it. He is a master of the kick-out. One of his kicks I like to call "the low flying helicopter" (apt, considering where I come from), and I call it that because he is capable of drilling these low stingers onto a man's chest. They are neither long nor short ones, just brilliantly accurate ones that are at such a height that they give the man winning it a big advantage on his marker when he receives possession. He always finds his man, and he is also excellent at disguising his kicks. I would put him right up there with Cluxton.
TO PUSH UP OR NOT TO PUSH UP
Kick-outs are now arguably the major tactical talking point of any game. Let's look ahead to the semi-finals quickly in this regard. One of my pet hates at the moment is teams conceding the kick-out, as in when they don't push up on short ones. Like Kildare against Monaghan and subsequently, Monaghan against Dublin. Monaghan would have been beaten by Dublin no matter what happened on Saturday, but they didn't help themselves by allowing Dublin have constant control of the ball from their own kick-outs.
Will Donegal just give up possession of the ball against Dublin in the semi-final? If they do, I think Dublin will wipe the floor with them. If they push up and challenge the kick-outs, they might compete. I believe that if any team is going to challenge Dublin, they are simply going to have to challenge Cluxton's kick-outs. Meath did it brilliantly in the 2013 Leinster final and actually led that game at half-time. When you push up on his kick-outs, you force him to go long. That frustrates Dublin and will suit any team with a powerful middle third crop of players.
If Mayo for example were to play Dublin and make Cluxton kick the ball to the middle of the field, then I believe they could win 70 per cent of possession in that sector. That's not saying they will win the All-Ireland but that is the thing they need to do to have a chance, because they have the players for it. The two O'Sheas and Barry Moran on the primary stuff and then the likes of Alan Dillon and Kevin McLoughlin on breaks.
CHANGED PRIORITIES
What a manager now looks for in a goalkeeper is the following, in this order: 1) Overall kick-out ability, 2) Presence/command of area, 3.)Shotstopping and 4) Potential ability to kick frees or '45's. It's not that long ago that kick-out ability would have been third on that list and the potential ability to kick frees or '45's wouldn't have even been on it, although Roscommon's Shane Curran might have argued otherwise back in the day. (For the record, I'm not a fan of goalkeepers kicking placed balls. I think that's a forward's job, and if they can't do it, it reflects poorly on them.)
The standards have risen, and when standards rise, possession is everything to teams. Most teams now think that if they win the majority of possession in the middle of the field, they will be good enough to win the game. I often hear people that I respect within the game bemoan the fact that the 'midfield battle' has gone. The midfield battle is certainly not what people thought it was, but it's still a midfield battle. It's those middle eight, it's about who can gain possession of the ball, and in tandem with the transformed role of goalkeepers is the transformed role of these middle third operators, especially half forwards.
Half forwards are now the most hard-working players on the team, or at least, they should be. They have got a couple of jobs now. They are responsible a lot of the time for winning primary possession, like Paul Flynn. He's responsible for winning breaks around the middle. He also has to track his own man and to get his body into defence as much as possible. He also has to get up and get scores, like he did again against Monaghan. How he is able to master all those things makes him the most complete footballer in the game I think.
THE ANTI-CLOWN
So that's the way things are now, but in some ways, I miss the days when goalkeepers were 'characters'. For example, I would love if Stephen Cluxton was a bit of a clown. But when you think about it, he's actually the 'Anti-Clown' in many ways. He is serious all the time, he doesn't talk to the media and he seems totally and utterly dedicated to achieving an almost robotic like perfection to everything he does.
I know it's asking a lot, but it's nice when goalkeepers are that little bit different. Had Benny Tierney not being around, my football career would not have been as enjoyable as it was. And from what I hear from inter-county players at the moment, there seems to be a lot less of those characters around and some of the fun might be going out of things a little.
Now, there wasn't much fun in what we were doing a lot of the time either, it must be said, but there definitely seems to be less of those characters. Perhaps that's just the price you pay for rising standards, and nowhere have the standards risen more than between the sticks.
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/1308141002-column-oisin-mcconville-on-football/
Good article (as usual from Osin) on the mechanics albeit one that feeds into the myth and gives Cluxton too much credit for revolutionising something that was already in motion before he even put on a Dublin jesey.. someone still isn't over the clown prince ending his footballing career on February 16th 2013 >:( >:(
Did you get the script yet Syferus? Roscommon lost.
As regards goalkeepers- every keeper in Ireland copies Cluxton- because he's the best keeper the game has ever seen.
That's what young people do.
Wtf?
Don't mind him Syfín - seems he got out the wrong side of the bed this morning ::)
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Don't mind him Syfín - seems he got out the wrong side of the bed this morning ::)
Stop bullying the dubs please lads, some of them are awful sensitive craythurs
Delete Roscommon from the poll please Syferus.
Rossies back in?? :o
No opinions on this match? Lots to look for, just like the senior one. Mayo's goal-scoring is back at the same level as last year and Akram and Hanley have been the keys to unlocking defences, Reape the finisher. Cunniffe, last year's starting FB, is back on the panel and starting again. Gilvarry really has done an excellent job the last two years.
Lots will have to go right for Mayo on the day but this could be a lot tighter than the hype is suggesting.
Quote from: Syferus on August 19, 2014, 04:46:44 PM
No opinions on this match? Lots to look for, just like the senior one. Mayo's goal-scoring is back at the same level as last year and Akram and Hanley have been the keys to unlocking defences, Reape the finisher. Cunniffe, last year's starting FB, is back on the panel and starting again. Gilvarry really has done an excellent job the last two years.
Lots will have to go right for Mayo on the day but this could be a lot tighter than the hype is suggesting.
Agreed Syf, this is a seriously good Mayo team. The questions is are the Kerry lads as good as the hype suggests? Can't say I know much about them apart from the fact that Corca Dhuibhne beat St. Gerald's handy enough in the schools comp. It's a cliche but you never do know with minors, so even if Kerry are that good I can't see them being that far ahead of a team containing Hanley, Akram, Duffy, Reape et al. I think this Mayo group have a great chance of causing an 'upset'.
Hard to judge Mayo given I've seen only highlights on TG4..as I've said before though, this is the best Kerry minor team I've seen, with a proven top class management.
You never know with minor's especially, anything can happen on the day AND Mayo have already played in Croker, our lads have not (although at least 10 of them have played already last year or with Pobal Scoil Corca Dhuibhne)but all that being said, I'd be very disappointed with anything other than a win for us.
Was this not deemed an average mayo team at the start of the year? Think Kerry are likely to win this, perhaps comfortably. Mayo may need goals to win and I couldn't see them winning without any.
Ó Sé looks a quality player at Corner forward for Kerry Minors. He was impressive in the Hogan final and in the highlights from the Minor games so far. Killian Spillane very good too.
Average by the standards of their best team in, what, thirty years last year? I think Mayo supporters are half bracing themselves for a fall the whole time - this has proven to be quite a quality Mayo team.
Like any good minor team they've kept improving from where they were at the beginning of the year. Both Roscommon and Mayo didn't nothing in the Connacht League but when it really mattered it was a little different.
No matter how good Kerry are they will have to account for the likes of Reape, Hanley, Akram and with with the 3 and 6 second year starters they have experience down their defensive spine. Kerry will have to perform well, no team gets to an AISF without ability.
Is the new Tomas O'Se anything to the other O'Ses?
Kerry had very strong development panels over the last few years, not sure will it mean much for this Sunday but last year Kerry won well against Mayo in a U-17 tournament match. Kerry by the looks of it will provide much tougher opposition than Westmeath,Monaghan,Tyrone did against Mayo in AI series last year.
Tomáisín O'Sé is a dinger alright. Made the panel last year aswell, but his involvement was curtailed as he was off touring the world with Riverdance or one of those crowds..he's a world champion Irish dancer. Looking at the way he's moving this year I'm considering replacing any plyometrics I do with teams, with some jigs and reels!
Seriously though, he's no direct relation of the Ard-a-bhothair O'Sé clan. Could have a decent future in green and gold like them though if he keeps this up. He was actually only average for Dingle in the schools games this year. He hadn't played much ball at all and his finishing was a bit wild. He picked up an injury then, but has come back superbly to the point where he was MOM against Kildare.
Cathal Bambury, who was 14 for that Dingle schools team, missing since 1st round of Munster, is fit again also and a serious option to add to the forward line.
Glad to say that having been fairly poor for years, the Kerry development squads have been very strong in recent years and this along with good personnel involved in schools is making look the near to medium future look a lot brighter than expected for us.
QuoteAverage by the standards of their best team in, what, thirty years last year?
No, just average. I'm pretty sure I read Mayo lads around here and elsewhere saying this Mayo group weren't great, was not the same said of the Roscommon minors?
Quoteno team gets to an AISF without ability.
Of course they have quality but it's entirely possible that a team can make an All Ireland semi final without being in the top 5 or 6 teams in the country. Now I don't know if Mayo are better than first suggested or if they have got here by virtue of a reasonably easy path but by all accounts they will be meeting a serious team in Kerry so they'll need to be the real McCoy themselves to compete.
Hopefully it'll be a good game anyway.
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QuoteAverage by the standards of their best team in, what, thirty years last year?
No, just average. I'm pretty sure I read Mayo lads around here and elsewhere saying this Mayo group weren't great, was not the same said of the Roscommon minors?
Quoteno team gets to an AISF without ability.
Of course they have quality but it's entirely possible that a team can make an All Ireland semi final without being in the top 5 or 6 teams in the country. Now I don't know if Mayo are better than first suggested or if they have got here by virtue of a reasonably easy path but by all accounts they will be meeting a serious team in Kerry so they'll need to be the real McCoy themselves to compete.
Hopefully it'll be a good game anyway.
The lads I mentioned aren't average, indeed I can see senior Rhubarbs in the making in some of those players. Mayo supporters aren't calling this team average anymore unless they're eejits. Us, that's a story for another day.
Serious experience on the line, an AI minor winning manager on one side and an AI senior winning manager on the other
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Kerry haven't been tested by anyone yet and while their fans may think this side is the best thing since sliced bread we'll know more about them on Sunday.
Having seen both sides it will be a close attractive game of football for any neutral to view.
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Kerry haven't been tested by anyone yet and while their fans may think this side is the best thing since sliced bread we'll know more about them on Sunday.
Having seen both sides it will be a close attractive game of football for any neutral to view.
Jack o Connor also rates this team highly, that's why he's involved with them. Jack chooses his battles.
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Kerry haven't been tested by anyone yet and while their fans may think this side is the best thing since sliced bread we'll know more about them on Sunday.
Having seen both sides it will be a close attractive game of football for any neutral to view.
Jack o Connor also rates this team highly, that's why he's involved with them. Jack chooses his battles.
So is Michael O Se who played midfield on the St Vincents Team in 2008 AI Club success. They have a lot of very good forwards but they haven't been marked properly yet.
The Mayo team are much improved on the team that played Galway. Not only have they clicked as a unit, Cunniffe and Boylan are two big additions so I'm a lot more confident in them now than I was at the start of the year. The only problem is, if this Kerry team are all they are hyped up to be then they may be too strong for us. We shall see.
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Kerry haven't been tested by anyone yet and while their fans may think this side is the best thing since sliced bread we'll know more about them on Sunday.
Having seen both sides it will be a close attractive game of football for any neutral to view.
Disagree. Cork lost their talisman Michael Hurley in the first half against Dublin and still ran them to 4 points. They are no bad side and the Munster final between Cork and Kerry was a decent test. I have seen minor teams hit Croke park with far less battles behind them.
Easy win for Kerry on Sunday lads? Plenty of talk about Mayo too. I saw them in Connacht and wasn't overly impressed
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Easy win for Kerry on Sunday lads? Plenty of talk about Mayo too. I saw them in Connacht and wasn't overly impressed
You wouldn't have been too impressed with Mayo in Connacht last year either and that didn't hamper us in the latter stages.
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Easy win for Kerry on Sunday lads? Plenty of talk about Mayo too. I saw them in Connacht and wasn't overly impressed
You wouldn't have been too impressed with Mayo in Connacht last year either and that didn't hamper us in the latter stages.
Fair point. They have some class players so I'll certainly be behind them on Sunday. Kerry will be hard stopped though
Quote from: Ballaghman on August 19, 2014, 10:57:13 PM
The Mayo team are much improved on the team that played Galway. Not only have they clicked as a unit, Cunniffe and Boylan are two big additions so I'm a lot more confident in them now than I was at the start of the year. The only problem is, if this Kerry team are all they are hyped up to be then they may be too strong for us. We shall see.
If they are all they are hyped up to be, they should stay out on the field for the senior team as well.
I have never heard such hype for a minor team.
Quote from: Ballaghman on August 19, 2014, 10:57:13 PM
The Mayo team are much improved on the team that played Galway. Not only have they clicked as a unit, Cunniffe and Boylan are two big additions so I'm a lot more confident in them now than I was at the start of the year. The only problem is, if this Kerry team are all they are hyped up to be then they may be too strong for us. We shall see.
Agree with Mayo kicking on from Galway games. That's 2 years in a row now. Hopefully we will have a great game with a Mayo win.
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The Mayo team are much improved on the team that played Galway. Not only have they clicked as a unit, Cunniffe and Boylan are two big additions so I'm a lot more confident in them now than I was at the start of the year. The only problem is, if this Kerry team are all they are hyped up to be then they may be too strong for us. We shall see.
If they are all they are hyped up to be, they should stay out on the field for the senior team as well.
I have never heard such hype for a minor team.
I'd have to agree. But I think it shows our far Kerry have fallen at underage recently that they are so excited about a team making an AI Semi-Final
Bit like our 2011 team which fell short narrowly. Our 2012 weren't regarded as being half as good and they actually won the AI Title.
You never know with minors.
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Quote from: Ballaghman on August 19, 2014, 10:57:13 PM
The Mayo team are much improved on the team that played Galway. Not only have they clicked as a unit, Cunniffe and Boylan are two big additions so I'm a lot more confident in them now than I was at the start of the year. The only problem is, if this Kerry team are all they are hyped up to be then they may be too strong for us. We shall see.
If they are all they are hyped up to be, they should stay out on the field for the senior team as well.
I have never heard such hype for a minor team.
I'd have to agree. But I think it shows our far Kerry have fallen at underage recently that they are so excited about a team making an AI Semi-Final
Bit like our 2011 team which fell short narrowly. Our 2012 weren't regarded as being half as good and they actually won the AI Title.
You never know with minors.
Last time was way back in 2012.
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The Mayo team are much improved on the team that played Galway. Not only have they clicked as a unit, Cunniffe and Boylan are two big additions so I'm a lot more confident in them now than I was at the start of the year. The only problem is, if this Kerry team are all they are hyped up to be then they may be too strong for us. We shall see.
If they are all they are hyped up to be, they should stay out on the field for the senior team as well.
I have never heard such hype for a minor team.
I'd have to agree. But I think it shows our far Kerry have fallen at underage recently that they are so excited about a team making an AI Semi-Final
Bit like our 2011 team which fell short narrowly. Our 2012 weren't regarded as being half as good and they actually won the AI Title.
You never know with minors.
That Dublin team in 2011 was the most hyped minor team I seen and in fairness to the Dubs they did manage to win the minor All Ireland the following with less hype.
Some fierce cynical minds around here!
Look, we have a 3 time AI Senior winning manager on the line, a lot of players from a Hogan Cup winning team (one of only 5 Kerry colleges to ever win it) and what is in many people's view, mine included, the most talented panel for about 20 years. All that added to the fact we haven't won this for 20 years means of course there is going to be a lot of excitement about them.
I don't think anyone is taking anything for granted. They are facing a good team and reigning champions in Mayo and won't be looking beyond that. With minors, no matter how good they are, there's always a chance they will freeze on a given day, so even with the expectation and the talent there, nothing being taken for granted. In actual fact, it excites me regardless of whether they win Tom Markham or not as there are several of this team who should play senior and we haven't been able to say that for quite a few years. 2006 was the last time. (Tommy Walsh, David Moran, Shane Enright, Johnny Buckley came through from that.)
My favourite year.
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The Mayo team are much improved on the team that played Galway. Not only have they clicked as a unit, Cunniffe and Boylan are two big additions so I'm a lot more confident in them now than I was at the start of the year. The only problem is, if this Kerry team are all they are hyped up to be then they may be too strong for us. We shall see.
If they are all they are hyped up to be, they should stay out on the field for the senior team as well.
I have never heard such hype for a minor team.
I'd have to agree. But I think it shows our far Kerry have fallen at underage recently that they are so excited about a team making an AI Semi-Final
Bit like our 2011 team which fell short narrowly. Our 2012 weren't regarded as being half as good and they actually won the AI Title.
You never know with minors.
Last time was way back in 2012.
You d never see Mayo minors hyped up. Another mediocre bunch this year.
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The Mayo team are much improved on the team that played Galway. Not only have they clicked as a unit, Cunniffe and Boylan are two big additions so I'm a lot more confident in them now than I was at the start of the year. The only problem is, if this Kerry team are all they are hyped up to be then they may be too strong for us. We shall see.
If they are all they are hyped up to be, they should stay out on the field for the senior team as well.
I have never heard such hype for a minor team.
I'd have to agree. But I think it shows our far Kerry have fallen at underage recently that they are so excited about a team making an AI Semi-Final
Bit like our 2011 team which fell short narrowly. Our 2012 weren't regarded as being half as good and they actually won the AI Title.
You never know with minors.
Last time was way back in 2012.
You d never see Mayo minors hyped up. Another mediocre bunch this year.
Ah yeah, but when you throw in the three Roscommon bucks it takes them to a new level, Moy.
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The Mayo team are much improved on the team that played Galway. Not only have they clicked as a unit, Cunniffe and Boylan are two big additions so I'm a lot more confident in them now than I was at the start of the year. The only problem is, if this Kerry team are all they are hyped up to be then they may be too strong for us. We shall see.
If they are all they are hyped up to be, they should stay out on the field for the senior team as well.
I have never heard such hype for a minor team.
I'd have to agree. But I think it shows our far Kerry have fallen at underage recently that they are so excited about a team making an AI Semi-Final
Bit like our 2011 team which fell short narrowly. Our 2012 weren't regarded as being half as good and they actually won the AI Title.
You never know with minors.
Last time was way back in 2012.
You d never see Mayo minors hyped up. Another mediocre bunch this year.
Ah yeah, but when you throw in the three Roscommon bucks it takes them to a new level, Moy.
Oh wait. Mayo minors are often hyped up by Roscommon posters ;)
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The Mayo team are much improved on the team that played Galway. Not only have they clicked as a unit, Cunniffe and Boylan are two big additions so I'm a lot more confident in them now than I was at the start of the year. The only problem is, if this Kerry team are all they are hyped up to be then they may be too strong for us. We shall see.
If they are all they are hyped up to be, they should stay out on the field for the senior team as well.
I have never heard such hype for a minor team.
I'd have to agree. But I think it shows our far Kerry have fallen at underage recently that they are so excited about a team making an AI Semi-Final
Bit like our 2011 team which fell short narrowly. Our 2012 weren't regarded as being half as good and they actually won the AI Title.
You never know with minors.
Last time was way back in 2012.
You d never see Mayo minors hyped up. Another mediocre bunch this year.
Ah yeah, but when you throw in the three Roscommon bucks it takes them to a new level, Moy.
Oh wait. Mayo minors are often hyped up by Roscommon posters ;)
Absolutely. Still think ye probably will lose, sadly. If you fielded more Roscommon players I'd be more confident in your chances.
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The Mayo team are much improved on the team that played Galway. Not only have they clicked as a unit, Cunniffe and Boylan are two big additions so I'm a lot more confident in them now than I was at the start of the year. The only problem is, if this Kerry team are all they are hyped up to be then they may be too strong for us. We shall see.
If they are all they are hyped up to be, they should stay out on the field for the senior team as well.
I have never heard such hype for a minor team.
I'd have to agree. But I think it shows our far Kerry have fallen at underage recently that they are so excited about a team making an AI Semi-Final
Bit like our 2011 team which fell short narrowly. Our 2012 weren't regarded as being half as good and they actually won the AI Title.
You never know with minors.
Last time was way back in 2012.
You d never see Mayo minors hyped up. Another mediocre bunch this year.
Ah yeah, but when you throw in the three Roscommon bucks it takes them to a new level, Moy.
Oh wait. Mayo minors are often hyped up by Roscommon posters ;)
Absolutely. Still think ye probably will lose, sadly. If you fielded more Roscommon players I'd be more confident in your chances.
The young fellas will give it their best shot. If Kerry have a super team that s the way it goes. I haven t even seen Kerry minors on the tv so can t comment really. But how anyone can confidently compare counties from different provinces is puzzling. Connacht counties have done very well at minor and U21 in recent years so who knows. We might pull off a big upset. If we don t we ve had a decent showing from this team that nobody rated.
I predicted we would win AI last year before a ball was kicked and was laughed at. Think our run will end tomorrow but after a decent effort. Good luck to all involved.
5 Minors to watch tomorrow http://t.co/kl0PJ6fMWH
Poor enough game so far and Kerry are certainly not living up to the hype so far.
Ref very pernickety too and not helping the game.
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2014, 01:51:07 PM
Poor enough game so far and Kerry are certainly not living up to the hype so far.
Kerry shot selection questionable. However they should have had at least one goal already.
This is a disappointing game. Occasion has got to both teams. They are better then this
The ref is making some baffling decisions here.
It's a poor game though.
Lots of players slipping and failing to hold onto the ball so conditions are obviously very difficult.
As another poster said - some of Kerry's shot selection has been questionable to say the least
Was 3 mins a bit skimpy. Surely the Mayo 11 was down 4 longer than that. Poor stuff by all involved
Absolutely gutted for Cian. Two AISFs in a row where he's been seriously injured. Unlikely to be fit for the final if Mayo win.
Kerry have skills and no brains. Dumping in ball in on their FFs and rarely have they won anything. Mayo's FB line has been stellar. Kerry are better off manufacturing points than trying to go for glory by attempting kill off Mayo as if they're some team of scrubs.
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The ref is making some baffling decisions here.
It's a poor game though.
Lots of players slipping and failing to hold onto the ball so conditions are obviously very difficult.
As another poster said - some of Kerry's shot selection has been questionable to say the least
Mayo's full back line has been brilliant. Their forwards have been awful thus far. Their shot selection is even worse then kerry's.
Kerry playing like a team that has been reading the papers too much.
The teams are playing poorly alright but the ref is having a nightmare and is blowing for any bit of contact in the tackle. Mayo full back line are doing very well IMO and they have some very promising players in their back six but they've little enough up front on the basis of this game. Kerry forwards aren't up to much either and Spillane is not looking like the best footballer in Ireland today. Indiana could be right about the the occasion getting to the teams but it isn't like they are kicking lots of bad wides, neither team seems to able to create scoring opportunities by good football.
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2014, 02:10:28 PM
The teams are playing poorly alright but the ref is having a nightmare and is blowing for any bit of contact in the tackle. Mayo full back line are doing very well IMO and they have some very promising players in their back six but they've little enough up front on the basis of this game. Kerry forwards aren't up to much either and Spillane is not looking like the best footballer in Ireland today. Indiana could be right about the the occasion getting to the teams but it isn't like they are kicking lots of bad wides, neither team seems to able to create scoring opportunities by good football.
Dublin and Donegal won't be afraid of anything here anyway. Mayo forwards have been terrible. Absolutely awful.
Conditions are mild at worst. Bit if a swirling wind, nothing major, though.
Jaysus lads ye are harsh on minors. Let them settle.
Do you think AZ? I don't know but we've seen plenty of minor teams in both codes perform at this stage so I'm not sure you can say they haven't settled after a half of football. I hope the comments aren't coming across as harsh as all these boys are fine footballers but they aren't showing it today.
Settle was the wrong word. I should have said let it play out and see what happens. I agree about the shot selection, particularly from Kerry. Even some of the scores they've kicked were bad shot selections.
Kerry seem to be warming up though.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2014, 02:24:47 PM
Settle was the wrong word. I should have said let it play out and see what happens. I agree about the shot selection, particularly from Kerry. Even some of the scores they've kicked were bad shot selections.
Kerry seem to be warming up though.
Mayo are largely playing Donegal-lite. To be fair to Kerry they are trying to play football but they aren't a dream team or anything like it.
Minors can be hit and miss. They're warming up now, and might finish with a decent score after only having 3 points at half time.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2014, 02:35:02 PM
Minors can be hit and miss. They're warming up now, and might finish with a decent score after only having 3 points at half time.
referee has screwed mayo in this game. He's not good enough to ref at this level
Kerry look the better team but Mayo hanging in there.
Referee is awful
Ref is brutal. And have outlawed physical contact. On that penalty decision, so are his umpires.
He and they will be fast tracked through the senior ranks on this showing
The Kerry sub Carey number 18 has been very good
Better game now and both teams are much improved. The less said about the ref the better!
Quote from: INDIANA on August 24, 2014, 02:35:42 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2014, 02:35:02 PM
Minors can be hit and miss. They're warming up now, and might finish with a decent score after only having 3 points at half time.
referee has screwed mayo in this game. He's not good enough to ref at this level
Just imagine him refereeing a Derrytresk match.
Was Pat Spillane awarding the man of the match award?
Sub for kerry number 18 won them the match.
Was at the game. Was very surprised at how late supporters were coming in considering the minor game had the same teams as senior.
Mayo were well set up but seemed happy to contain Kerry instead of pushing on. Kerry were a league above though when the game went onto melting pot. Some serious players despite a below par first half.
This ref was officiating at the Colleges B final in Croke Park in April and was very very fussy then. Doesn't seem to understand what is and isn't a legitimate tackle; so any physical contact at all is penalised.
Quote from: Drummerboy on August 24, 2014, 08:48:37 PM
This ref was officiating at the Colleges B final in Croke Park in April and was very very fussy then. Doesn't seem to understand what is and isn't a legitimate tackle; so any physical contact at all is penalised.
Would agree with this. I saw one lad with the ball who clearly grabbed the hand of the tackler and hit the deck. It was a free straight away despite the whole of the cusack stand being able to see it clearly. He looked a young ref. Felt sorry for him. A poor day out.
When was the last time the pairings at minor and senior were the same in both semi finals? I'm struggling to remember one, especially since the qualifiers came in?
Kerry have a fine minor team and fully deserved to win. It was obvious from early on that they had our measure around the middle and on the breaking ball. The loss of Hanley robbed Mayo of our best option to keep Kerry honest as he was the only one we had capable of making ball stick on the inside line.
Whoever made the decision to leave Cian Hanley on the field hoping he would 'run off' a serious knee injury would want to take a good look at himself.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 12:41:49 PM
Whoever made the decision to leave Cian Hanley on the field hoping he would 'run off' a serious knee injury would want to take a good look at himself.
It was painful to watch. Why they kept him on the field after he collapsed the second time I cannot understand. He was pretty much Mayo's key player but that was no excuse to risk his health so openly.
I couldn't believe when I saw him trying to run around after the first one. A second one was mind blowing. A minor.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 12:41:49 PM
Whoever made the decision to leave Cian Hanley on the field hoping he would 'run off' a serious knee injury would want to take a good look at himself.
It looked serious from the very first time he went down alright.
From the Indo.
But the key moment of the first half was when Mayo captain Cian Hanley (brother of AFL star Pearse) went up to collect a ball after 11 minutes and crumpled on landing.
After a lengthy assessment the young full-forward resumed play but twice more would he go down before being taken off in the 24th minute. Many watched horrified at his struggle and wondered why the Mayo management did not withdraw him earlier.
Manager Enda Gilvarry said afterwards that "the medical advice was that there wasn't any significant damage done and that it could be something he could run off."
It was a heartbreaking end to the day for the Ballaghaderreen lad who also missed last year's final victory through injury, and his loss seemed a huge psychological blow to his team.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 12:41:49 PM
Whoever made the decision to leave Cian Hanley on the field hoping he would 'run off' a serious knee injury would want to take a good look at himself.
+1. I couldn't believe he actually was still on the field myself.
Yeah, all the Mayo supporters around me were calling for him to be taken off. It was horrible to watch a young fella like that repeatedly collapsing with what looked to be a serious knee injury
Congrats to Kerry, much the better team but they gave us a suckers chance for a long period, that was until the ref gave a penalty for, well, nothing
The Cian Hanley thing was a disgrace
Was the penalty not saved?
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 25, 2014, 02:39:09 PM
Was the penalty not saved?
It was and the goal they eventually scored the Mayo keeper was caught ball watching. Kerry created many goal chances they can't afford to be as wasteful in the All Ireland final.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 25, 2014, 02:39:09 PM
Was the penalty not saved?
ssshhh......the Mayo lads have very creative ways of interpreting games. Don't break the delusion.....
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 25, 2014, 12:59:39 PM
I couldn't believe when I saw him trying to run around after the first one. A second one was mind blowing. A minor.
I'm not doctor but when I saw him crumple holding his knee after landing from a straightforward catch, I thought get him off for his own sake. I couldn't believe what I was watching, especially when his knee gave way again.
The way the Hanley injury was handled was very regrettable to say the least.
Has he had a scan yet? I would be expecting that there s serious damage done.
Was in Dublin today and was chatting to a well connected Dub. Apparently Dublin and Kerry minors played a challenge game in June and Dublin won by 6 points. Kerry had full side out and Dublin were missing a few. I had Kerry down as having it won but who knows yet.
Quote from: ck on August 26, 2014, 11:43:59 PM
Was in Dublin today and was chatting to a well connected Dub. Apparently Dublin and Kerry minors played a challenge game in June and Dublin won by 6 points. Kerry had full side out and Dublin were missing a few. I had Kerry down as having it won but who knows yet.
I was at the game and that wasn't the scoreline. It was a lot less and Kerry were missing a few.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 27, 2014, 12:40:45 AM
Quote from: ck on August 26, 2014, 11:43:59 PM
Was in Dublin today and was chatting to a well connected Dub. Apparently Dublin and Kerry minors played a challenge game in June and Dublin won by 6 points. Kerry had full side out and Dublin were missing a few. I had Kerry down as having it won but who knows yet.
I was at the game and that wasn't the scoreline. It was a lot less and Kerry were missing a few.
I guess he wasn't so well connected after all.
Has any county ever won the sweep before? Senior, U21 and minor treble still on. Throw in the senior club AI for good measure.
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2014, 01:55:05 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 27, 2014, 12:40:45 AM
Quote from: ck on August 26, 2014, 11:43:59 PM
Was in Dublin today and was chatting to a well connected Dub. Apparently Dublin and Kerry minors played a challenge game in June and Dublin won by 6 points. Kerry had full side out and Dublin were missing a few. I had Kerry down as having it won but who knows yet.
I was at the game and that wasn't the scoreline. It was a lot less and Kerry were missing a few.
Kerry '75?
I guess he wasn't so well connected after all.
Has any county ever won the sweep before? Senior, U21 and minor treble still on. Throw in the senior club AI for good measure.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 27, 2014, 12:40:45 AM
Quote from: ck on August 26, 2014, 11:43:59 PM
Was in Dublin today and was chatting to a well connected Dub. Apparently Dublin and Kerry minors played a challenge game in June and Dublin won by 6 points. Kerry had full side out and Dublin were missing a few. I had Kerry down as having it won but who knows yet.
I was at the game and that wasn't the scoreline. It was a lot less and Kerry were missing a few.
..but Dublin won the game yeah? My man reckoned Dublin were the better side. This full forward of Dublins supposed to be deadly
Quote from: ck on August 27, 2014, 07:53:53 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 27, 2014, 12:40:45 AM
Quote from: ck on August 26, 2014, 11:43:59 PM
Was in Dublin today and was chatting to a well connected Dub. Apparently Dublin and Kerry minors played a challenge game in June and Dublin won by 6 points. Kerry had full side out and Dublin were missing a few. I had Kerry down as having it won but who knows yet.
I was at the game and that wasn't the scoreline. It was a lot less and Kerry were missing a few.
..but Dublin won the game yeah? My man reckoned Dublin were the better side. This full forward of Dublins supposed to be deadly
Con O Callaghan and Killian Spillane are on a similar level.
We aren't in the final yet by a long shot.
Where are Roscommon Gone from the poll?
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2014, 08:58:54 PM
Where are Roscommon Gone from the poll?
The last Roscommon players were knocked out of the championship on Sunday.
http://thescore.thejournal.ie/best-players-dublin-donegal-minors-to-watch-1642290-Aug2014/?utm_source=twitter_self
They drew in a challenge game in June http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/2808141756-minor-preview-dublin-v-donegal-sunday-130pm/
Donegal leading by three points and looking good.
Donegal on a mission to make us look good and succeeding so far.
Donegal switched off for that Dublin goal could cost them the game.
Congratulations to Donegal the best side won. First ever minor All Ireland final for them?
Well done to Donegal, absolutely mighty performance. If that cheap goal had cost them the match it would have been a very tough way to lose a game.
Fantastic match and I hope Donegal can go on and win the final now.
Sad to see fans booing as minors take frees. Wise up folks.
Missed the game of TV today but saw highlights there. Very impressed with Donegal. Really didn't think they had a prayer, similar to their seniors. Should be a good final against Kerry
Quote from: ck on August 31, 2014, 11:07:24 PM
Missed the game of TV today but saw highlights there. Very impressed with Donegal. Really didn't think they had a prayer, similar to their seniors. Should be a good final against Kerry
Mighty day for IT Sligo ck. If Donegal win the AI Ryan McHugh will probably deserve the PotY, nevermind the YPotY he already has in the bag.
They'll probably give it JOD regardless of the result, though.
Yes delighted for Ryan. A super super lad. Would be a more modest character than the older brother.
As for the minors, I have seen both Kerry and Donegal this year and would have Kerry ahead by a country mile on talent but I'd also have said that about Dublin too. Donegal have massive massive belief so should test Kerry if nothing else.
This Donegal side have not lost for three years. Declan Bonner took them on at U-16 level.
Quote from: ck on September 01, 2014, 07:15:34 PM
Yes delighted for Ryan. A super super lad. Would be a more modest character than the older brother.
As for the minors, I have seen both Kerry and Donegal this year and would have Kerry ahead by a country mile on talent but I'd also have said that about Dublin too. Donegal have massive massive belief so should test Kerry if nothing else.
Not a stellar Dublin team by any stretch. Well beaten yesterday. Never tested in Leinster bar the first game versus Longford.
Best two teams in the final but I'd fancy Kerry to win the minor.
Dublin lads had beards. Dublin have taken this thing to a new level. How are lads with less facial hair expected to compete with them ?.
I predicted in March that the winner of the All Ireland would come from Tyrone or Donegal. So Donegal it is then.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 02, 2014, 10:39:34 AM
I predicted in March that the winner of the All Ireland would come from Tyrone or Donegal. So Donegal it is then.
What do you base that on? Have you seen Kerry? They're a serious outfit. Spillane at 14 is the best Minor I have ever seen. Could easily play senior inter county at the moment
Quote from: ck on September 02, 2014, 01:17:52 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 02, 2014, 10:39:34 AM
I predicted in March that the winner of the All Ireland would come from Tyrone or Donegal. So Donegal it is then.
What do you base that on? Have you seen Kerry? They're a serious outfit. Spillane at 14 is the best Minor I have ever seen. Could easily play senior inter county at the moment
Wouldn't be going so crazy on Spillane. O'Se is a better footballer so he mightn't even be the best minor on that team, nevermind the best one you've ever seen.
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2014, 01:57:44 PM
Quote from: ck on September 02, 2014, 01:17:52 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 02, 2014, 10:39:34 AM
I predicted in March that the winner of the All Ireland would come from Tyrone or Donegal. So Donegal it is then.
What do you base that on? Have you seen Kerry? They're a serious outfit. Spillane at 14 is the best Minor I have ever seen. Could easily play senior inter county at the moment
Wouldn't be going so crazy on Spillane. O'Se is a better footballer so he mightn't even be the best minor on that team, nevermind the best one you've ever seen.
Spillane isn't even the best minor in this years championship. McBrearty of Donegal and McKenna of Tyrone would be better.
Quote from: ck on September 02, 2014, 01:17:52 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 02, 2014, 10:39:34 AM
I predicted in March that the winner of the All Ireland would come from Tyrone or Donegal. So Donegal it is then.
What do you base that on? Have you seen Kerry? They're a serious outfit. Spillane at 14 is the best Minor I have ever seen. Could easily play senior inter county at the moment
It all depends which county you're talking about ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2014, 01:57:44 PM
Quote from: ck on September 02, 2014, 01:17:52 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 02, 2014, 10:39:34 AM
I predicted in March that the winner of the All Ireland would come from Tyrone or Donegal. So Donegal it is then.
What do you base that on? Have you seen Kerry? They're a serious outfit. Spillane at 14 is the best Minor I have ever seen. Could easily play senior inter county at the moment
Wouldn't be going so crazy on Spillane. O'Se is a better footballer so he mightn't even be the best minor on that team, nevermind the best one you've ever seen.
Tadgh Kennelly was the best I've seen. Gooch and Maurice Fitz after that.
Saw Spillane in a challenge game, I thought he was fantastic. Highlights since would suggest he's as good as is out there. It's all only opinion I suppose. Kerry strong favs with the bookies already.
Quote from: ck on September 02, 2014, 01:17:52 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 02, 2014, 10:39:34 AM
I predicted in March that the winner of the All Ireland would come from Tyrone or Donegal. So Donegal it is then.
What do you base that on? Have you seen Kerry? They're a serious outfit. Spillane at 14 is the best Minor I have ever seen. Could easily play senior inter county at the moment
Spillane is the best minor you've seen? I'd recommend watching more games
People going overboard on Spillane. He's decent but it's not as if he's doing wreck every game. Got 0-1 from play in Munster final.
If we're talking best minors in last 20 years or so he is nowhere near the top of the tree. Guys like Jack Ferriter, Noel Kennelly (3 years a minor, 5 at u21!) Dara O'Cinnéide are the best I've seen. Beano McDonald from Laois played minor at 16 and was brilliant. The Tyrone team of 97/98 had Declan McCrossan, McAnnallen, Mark Harte and a guy called Richard Thornton who were all brilliant. I was convinced Raymond Mulgrew was the next Seán Kavanagh when I saw him dominate the 2004 AI minor final for Tyrone.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 02, 2014, 09:21:05 PM
People going overboard on Spillane. He's decent but it's not as if he's doing wreck every game. Got 0-1 from play in Munster final.
If we're talking best minors in last 20 years or so he is nowhere near the top of the tree. Guys like Jack Ferriter, Noel Kennelly (3 years a minor, 5 at u21!) Dara O'Cinnéide are the best I've seen. Beano McDonald from Laois played minor at 16 and was brilliant. The Tyrone team of 97/98 had Declan McCrossan, McAnnallen, Mark Harte and a guy called Richard Thornton who were all brilliant. I was convinced Raymond Mulgrew was the next Seán Kavanagh when I saw him dominate the 2004 AI minor final for Tyrone.
Tommy Walsh?
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 02, 2014, 09:28:55 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 02, 2014, 09:21:05 PM
People going overboard on Spillane. He's decent but it's not as if he's doing wreck every game. Got 0-1 from play in Munster final.
If we're talking best minors in last 20 years or so he is nowhere near the top of the tree. Guys like Jack Ferriter, Noel Kennelly (3 years a minor, 5 at u21!) Dara O'Cinnéide are the best I've seen. Beano McDonald from Laois played minor at 16 and was brilliant. The Tyrone team of 97/98 had Declan McCrossan, McAnnallen, Mark Harte and a guy called Richard Thornton who were all brilliant. I was convinced Raymond Mulgrew was the next Seán Kavanagh when I saw him dominate the 2004 AI minor final for Tyrone.
Tommy Walsh?
Nah. Good, but not as good as the above lads. Standout player on his minor team was a guy called Paddy Curran. Got 0-8 in drawn minor final in 2006 but also a cracked jaw. Did his ACL twice and was never the same player after sadly.
Mulgrew was amazing in 2004, in 2005 Marty Clarke was unreal too. In 2008 Kyle Coney was immense and in 2010 Ronan O'Neill stood out. I remember around 2004 Kerry had a great player Paul O'Connor, seemed to be the next big thing.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 02, 2014, 09:21:05 PM
People going overboard on Spillane. He's decent but it's not as if he's doing wreck every game. Got 0-1 from play in Munster final.
If we're talking best minors in last 20 years or so he is nowhere near the top of the tree. Guys like Jack Ferriter, Noel Kennelly (3 years a minor, 5 at u21!) Dara O'Cinnéide are the best I've seen. Beano McDonald from Laois played minor at 16 and was brilliant. The Tyrone team of 97/98 had Declan McCrossan, McAnnallen, Mark Harte and a guy called Richard Thornton who were all brilliant. I was convinced Raymond Mulgrew was the next Seán Kavanagh when I saw him dominate the 2004 AI minor final for Tyrone.
Noel Kennelly was a class minor alright. Never "made it" at senior level but he must have a couple of all Irelands I'd say?
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 03, 2014, 08:42:17 AM
Mulgrew was amazing in 2004, in 2005 Marty Clarke was unreal too. In 2008 Kyle Coney was immense and in 2010 Ronan O'Neill stood out. I remember around 2004 Kerry had a great player Paul O'Connor, seemed to be the next big thing.
O'Connor was similar to Mulgrew. Made senior level but very much stagnated after that and dropped off the scene. Don't think he had the right attitude either though.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 03, 2014, 08:49:47 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 02, 2014, 09:21:05 PM
People going overboard on Spillane. He's decent but it's not as if he's doing wreck every game. Got 0-1 from play in Munster final.
If we're talking best minors in last 20 years or so he is nowhere near the top of the tree. Guys like Jack Ferriter, Noel Kennelly (3 years a minor, 5 at u21!) Dara O'Cinnéide are the best I've seen. Beano McDonald from Laois played minor at 16 and was brilliant. The Tyrone team of 97/98 had Declan McCrossan, McAnnallen, Mark Harte and a guy called Richard Thornton who were all brilliant. I was convinced Raymond Mulgrew was the next Seán Kavanagh when I saw him dominate the 2004 AI minor final for Tyrone.
Noel Kennelly was a class minor alright. Never "made it" at senior level but he must have a couple of all Irelands I'd say?
Noel was one of those guys who was a fully grown man at around 15. Played minor when he was 16. He was freakishly good back then. He played u21 for 5 years and won 5 Munster medals and 1 All Ireland. Won a Senior All Ireland in 2000 at half forward but 2 years later suffered a serious hip injury which seemed to knock whatever speed he had out of him. He battled back onto Kerry panel in 2004 but never made team after that really.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 02, 2014, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 02, 2014, 09:28:55 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 02, 2014, 09:21:05 PM
People going overboard on Spillane. He's decent but it's not as if he's doing wreck every game. Got 0-1 from play in Munster final.
If we're talking best minors in last 20 years or so he is nowhere near the top of the tree. Guys like Jack Ferriter, Noel Kennelly (3 years a minor, 5 at u21!) Dara O'Cinnéide are the best I've seen. Beano McDonald from Laois played minor at 16 and was brilliant. The Tyrone team of 97/98 had Declan McCrossan, McAnnallen, Mark Harte and a guy called Richard Thornton who were all brilliant. I was convinced Raymond Mulgrew was the next Seán Kavanagh when I saw him dominate the 2004 AI minor final for Tyrone.
Tommy Walsh?
Nah. Good, but not as good as the above lads. Standout player on his minor team was a guy called Paddy Curran. Got 0-8 in drawn minor final in 2006 but also a cracked jaw. Did his ACL twice and was never the same player after sadly.
Paddy was a huge loss. Big pity. Nice young lad too.
Often wondered where he'd got to alright.
Always tough when injuries prevent the great minor from coming through.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 03, 2014, 02:53:14 PM
Often wondered where he'd got to alright.
Always tough when injuries prevent the great minor from coming through.
Is that not related though, the more talented the footballer the more teams he plays for, more injuries, less recovery.
One of my big issues with the GAA is the the shear number of games that players aged 15-20 have to play. I can think of no other sport that mishandles young players and their development in this manner.
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Quote from: Rossfan on September 03, 2014, 02:53:14 PM
Often wondered where he'd got to alright.
Always tough when injuries prevent the great minor from coming through.
Is that not related though, the more talented the footballer the more teams he plays for, more injuries, less recovery.
One of my big issues with the GAA is the the shear number of games that players aged 15-20 have to play. I can think of no other sport that mishandles young players and their development in this manner.
+1 on that DB. Inter-County under 16s and minors should play with their own age club team that year and that's it IMO. I'm a big believer in residual fitness (and the opposite also) and the 16-19 years set the tone for most lads in terms of fitness, recovery, lifestyle and many more issues.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 02, 2014, 09:21:05 PM
People going overboard on Spillane. He's decent but it's not as if he's doing wreck every game. Got 0-1 from play in Munster final.
If we're talking best minors in last 20 years or so he is nowhere near the top of the tree. Guys like Jack Ferriter, Noel Kennelly (3 years a minor, 5 at u21!) Dara O'Cinnéide are the best I've seen. Beano McDonald from Laois played minor at 16 and was brilliant. The Tyrone team of 97/98 had Declan McCrossan, McAnnallen, Mark Harte and a guy called Richard Thornton who were all brilliant. I was convinced Raymond Mulgrew was the next Seán Kavanagh when I saw him dominate the 2004 AI minor final for Tyrone.
Try Cormac Costello lads. As good as all the above and better then most.and he carried it through to u21 and senior.
Granted things didn't go his way last Sunday.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2014, 09:28:53 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 02, 2014, 09:21:05 PM
People going overboard on Spillane. He's decent but it's not as if he's doing wreck every game. Got 0-1 from play in Munster final.
If we're talking best minors in last 20 years or so he is nowhere near the top of the tree. Guys like Jack Ferriter, Noel Kennelly (3 years a minor, 5 at u21!) Dara O'Cinnéide are the best I've seen. Beano McDonald from Laois played minor at 16 and was brilliant. The Tyrone team of 97/98 had Declan McCrossan, McAnnallen, Mark Harte and a guy called Richard Thornton who were all brilliant. I was convinced Raymond Mulgrew was the next Seán Kavanagh when I saw him dominate the 2004 AI minor final for Tyrone.
Try Cormac Costello lads. As good as all the above and better then most.and he carried it through to u21 and senior.
Granted things didn't go his way last Sunday.
I thought Con O'Callaghan was the new hotness in Dublin, Indy.
Was always a big ask for any young lad to deal with a team as physical as Donegal. Jack Mc and Kilkenny hit a wall in the later stages of last year's championship too.
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2014, 09:35:25 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2014, 09:28:53 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 02, 2014, 09:21:05 PM
People going overboard on Spillane. He's decent but it's not as if he's doing wreck every game. Got 0-1 from play in Munster final.
If we're talking best minors in last 20 years or so he is nowhere near the top of the tree. Guys like Jack Ferriter, Noel Kennelly (3 years a minor, 5 at u21!) Dara O'Cinnéide are the best I've seen. Beano McDonald from Laois played minor at 16 and was brilliant. The Tyrone team of 97/98 had Declan McCrossan, McAnnallen, Mark Harte and a guy called Richard Thornton who were all brilliant. I was convinced Raymond Mulgrew was the next Seán Kavanagh when I saw him dominate the 2004 AI minor final for Tyrone.
Try Cormac Costello lads. As good as all the above and better then most.and he carried it through to u21 and senior.
Granted things didn't go his way last Sunday.
I thought Con O'Callaghan was the new hotness in Dublin, Indy.
Was always a big ask for any young lad to deal with a team as physical as Dublin. Jack Mc and Kilkenny hit a wall in the later stages of last year's championship too.
Both excellent players all the same. But Cormac is perfectly two footed the others aren't quite there at that.
Cormac is the best underage footballer I've ever seen in Dublin and I've seen a lot. Cormac made some fantastic runs last week even with the blanket defence and yet never once did he receive the ball. But he should have remained for impact- that was the wrong game for him.
Best minors I've seen this year would be Campbell and Mc Brearty from Donegal, O Callaghan from Dublin, a corner back for Mayo whose name escapes me and Spillane.
As much as I dislike Bonner he's done a fine job with that Donegal team.
But Donegal should be good at Gaelic Football - they play no other sports up there and really their structures have been a shambles until about 5 years ago.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2014, 09:45:37 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2014, 09:35:25 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2014, 09:28:53 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 02, 2014, 09:21:05 PM
People going overboard on Spillane. He's decent but it's not as if he's doing wreck every game. Got 0-1 from play in Munster final.
If we're talking best minors in last 20 years or so he is nowhere near the top of the tree. Guys like Jack Ferriter, Noel Kennelly (3 years a minor, 5 at u21!) Dara O'Cinnéide are the best I've seen. Beano McDonald from Laois played minor at 16 and was brilliant. The Tyrone team of 97/98 had Declan McCrossan, McAnnallen, Mark Harte and a guy called Richard Thornton who were all brilliant. I was convinced Raymond Mulgrew was the next Seán Kavanagh when I saw him dominate the 2004 AI minor final for Tyrone.
Try Cormac Costello lads. As good as all the above and better then most.and he carried it through to u21 and senior.
Granted things didn't go his way last Sunday.
I thought Con O'Callaghan was the new hotness in Dublin, Indy.
Was always a big ask for any young lad to deal with a team as physical as Dublin. Jack Mc and Kilkenny hit a wall in the later stages of last year's championship too.
Both excellent players all the same. But Cormac is perfectly two footed the others aren't quite there at that.
Cormac is the best underage footballer I've ever seen in Dublin and I've seen a lot. Cormac made some fantastic runs last week even with the blanket defence and yet never once did he receive the ball. But he should have remained for impact- that was the wrong game for him.
Best minors I've seen this year would be Campbell and Mc Brearty from Donegal, O Callaghan from Dublin, a corner back for Mayo whose name escapes me and Spillane.
As much as I dislike Bonner he's done a fine job with that Donegal team.
But Donegal should be good at Gaelic Football - they play no other sports up there and really their structures have been a shambles until about 5 years ago.
You're talking through your hole again. Donegal is a mad soccer county and has a significant population that would have no cultural interest in playing GAA. We have world-standard boxers and runners and schools teams which compete at the highest level in basketball. Throw in rallying, cricket, badminton and rugby and we probably have a lower % playing pool than many other counties (definitely no more).
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2014, 09:45:37 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2014, 09:35:25 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2014, 09:28:53 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 02, 2014, 09:21:05 PM
People going overboard on Spillane. He's decent but it's not as if he's doing wreck every game. Got 0-1 from play in Munster final.
If we're talking best minors in last 20 years or so he is nowhere near the top of the tree. Guys like Jack Ferriter, Noel Kennelly (3 years a minor, 5 at u21!) Dara O'Cinnéide are the best I've seen. Beano McDonald from Laois played minor at 16 and was brilliant. The Tyrone team of 97/98 had Declan McCrossan, McAnnallen, Mark Harte and a guy called Richard Thornton who were all brilliant. I was convinced Raymond Mulgrew was the next Seán Kavanagh when I saw him dominate the 2004 AI minor final for Tyrone.
Try Cormac Costello lads. As good as all the above and better then most.and he carried it through to u21 and senior.
Granted things didn't go his way last Sunday.
I thought Con O'Callaghan was the new hotness in Dublin, Indy.
Was always a big ask for any young lad to deal with a team as physical as Dublin. Jack Mc and Kilkenny hit a wall in the later stages of last year's championship too.
Both excellent players all the same. But Cormac is perfectly two footed the others aren't quite there at that.
Cormac is the best underage footballer I've ever seen in Dublin and I've seen a lot. Cormac made some fantastic runs last week even with the blanket defence and yet never once did he receive the ball. But he should have remained for impact- that was the wrong game for him.
Best minors I've seen this year would be Campbell and Mc Brearty from Donegal, O Callaghan from Dublin, a corner back for Mayo whose name escapes me and Spillane.
As much as I dislike Bonner he's done a fine job with that Donegal team.
But Donegal should be good at Gaelic Football - they play no other sports up there and really their structures have been a shambles until about 5 years ago.
Why dislike Bonner? I thought he spoke well on TG4 paying tribute to Dublin
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 03, 2014, 03:59:06 PM
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Quote from: Rossfan on September 03, 2014, 02:53:14 PM
Often wondered where he'd got to alright.
Always tough when injuries prevent the great minor from coming through.
Is that not related though, the more talented the footballer the more teams he plays for, more injuries, less recovery.
One of my big issues with the GAA is the the shear number of games that players aged 15-20 have to play. I can think of no other sport that mishandles young players and their development in this manner.
+1 on that DB. Inter-County under 16s and minors should play with their own age club team that year and that's it IMO.
That would be a help, also that a player could be on only 1 Inter County panel at one time and not to have the abuse of U21s that goes on.
Let them move up to the Senior panel when their U21 run is over if needs be.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2014, 09:45:37 PM
But Donegal should be good at Gaelic Football - they play no other sports up there
Absloutely 100% INCORRECT.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2014, 10:49:46 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2014, 09:45:37 PM
But Donegal should be good at Gaelic Football - they play no other sports up there
Absloutely 100% INCORRECT.
Was just about to say that. Any Donegal lads I met in college etc were more like 80% soccer with teams like Fanad United, etc. GAA seemed to be their second sport.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2014, 09:45:37 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2014, 09:35:25 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2014, 09:28:53 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 02, 2014, 09:21:05 PM
People going overboard on Spillane. He's decent but it's not as if he's doing wreck every game. Got 0-1 from play in Munster final.
If we're talking best minors in last 20 years or so he is nowhere near the top of the tree. Guys like Jack Ferriter, Noel Kennelly (3 years a minor, 5 at u21!) Dara O'Cinnéide are the best I've seen. Beano McDonald from Laois played minor at 16 and was brilliant. The Tyrone team of 97/98 had Declan McCrossan, McAnnallen, Mark Harte and a guy called Richard Thornton who were all brilliant. I was convinced Raymond Mulgrew was the next Seán Kavanagh when I saw him dominate the 2004 AI minor final for Tyrone.
Try Cormac Costello lads. As good as all the above and better then most.and he carried it through to u21 and senior.
Granted things didn't go his way last Sunday.
I thought Con O'Callaghan was the new hotness in Dublin, Indy.
Was always a big ask for any young lad to deal with a team as physical as Dublin. Jack Mc and Kilkenny hit a wall in the later stages of last year's championship too.
Both excellent players all the same. But Cormac is perfectly two footed the others aren't quite there at that.
Cormac is the best underage footballer I've ever seen in Dublin and I've seen a lot. Cormac made some fantastic runs last week even with the blanket defence and yet never once did he receive the ball. But he should have remained for impact- that was the wrong game for him.
Best minors I've seen this year would be Campbell and Mc Brearty from Donegal, O Callaghan from Dublin, a corner back for Mayo whose name escapes me and Spillane.
As much as I dislike Bonner he's done a fine job with that Donegal team.
But Donegal should be good at Gaelic Football - they play no other sports up there and really their structures have been a shambles until about 5 years ago.
What are you talking about? Soccer is huge in Donegal. Even the intercounty GAA players play in the Donegal leagues (or at least did- not sure if McGuinness allows it). And we have a LOI team, modest as it is, that sucks up a fair few lads with senior Gaelic football potential. Even the local junior rugby leagues are manned by quite a few GAA players.
And you dislike Declan Bonner too? ;D
Quote from: J70 on September 04, 2014, 12:23:05 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2014, 09:45:37 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2014, 09:35:25 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2014, 09:28:53 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 02, 2014, 09:21:05 PM
People going overboard on Spillane. He's decent but it's not as if he's doing wreck every game. Got 0-1 from play in Munster final.
If we're talking best minors in last 20 years or so he is nowhere near the top of the tree. Guys like Jack Ferriter, Noel Kennelly (3 years a minor, 5 at u21!) Dara O'Cinnéide are the best I've seen. Beano McDonald from Laois played minor at 16 and was brilliant. The Tyrone team of 97/98 had Declan McCrossan, McAnnallen, Mark Harte and a guy called Richard Thornton who were all brilliant. I was convinced Raymond Mulgrew was the next Seán Kavanagh when I saw him dominate the 2004 AI minor final for Tyrone.
Try Cormac Costello lads. As good as all the above and better then most.and he carried it through to u21 and senior.
Granted things didn't go his way last Sunday.
I thought Con O'Callaghan was the new hotness in Dublin, Indy.
Was always a big ask for any young lad to deal with a team as physical as Dublin. Jack Mc and Kilkenny hit a wall in the later stages of last year's championship too.
Both excellent players all the same. But Cormac is perfectly two footed the others aren't quite there at that.
Cormac is the best underage footballer I've ever seen in Dublin and I've seen a lot. Cormac made some fantastic runs last week even with the blanket defence and yet never once did he receive the ball. But he should have remained for impact- that was the wrong game for him.
Best minors I've seen this year would be Campbell and Mc Brearty from Donegal, O Callaghan from Dublin, a corner back for Mayo whose name escapes me and Spillane.
As much as I dislike Bonner he's done a fine job with that Donegal team.
But Donegal should be good at Gaelic Football - they play no other sports up there and really their structures have been a shambles until about 5 years ago.
What are you talking about? Soccer is huge in Donegal. Even the intercounty GAA players play in the Donegal leagues (or at least did- not sure if McGuinness allows it). And we have a LOI team, modest as it is, that sucks up a fair few lads with senior Gaelic football potential. Even the local junior rugby leagues are manned by quite a few GAA players.
And you dislike Declan Bonner too? ;D
soccer is king in north Donegal. Ive seen the Donegal team play live and Ive never seen a bigger more physically imposing minor team, who can obviously play football.
A friend was in Gweedore a good few years ago and watched na Rossa take on Gaoth Dobhair in a senior match. There was a squad of Bonners playing and seemingly Declan was the looker :-)
Does anyone have the two line ups from the Dublin v Donegal minor semi final? I am interested in the ages of the starting line ups. A scan from the programme ideally.
The reason being is that Ladbrokes refused to pay out on a bet up here as their policy is not to have odds on games involving children i.e. U18s. The argument was that they have a book on X Factor was shot down as it is a contest made up of mostly adults.
However I'd say the minor final had mostly over 18s too. Just curious to see.
To take the bet they must have had odds on the minor game so how can you then not pay out?
I think in the local branch they marked it up for a poster in the shop. They are claiming an oversight.
The odds are usually sh**e in there anyhow, and I'll never be back again anyhow.
The fella got a free bet!!
If they are claiming the bet is void ask them whether they will be refunding all losing stakes on the match to customer's accounts.
The GAA are fighting a losing battle against badminton in Donegal.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 12, 2014, 02:38:57 PM
Does anyone have the two line ups from the Dublin v Donegal minor semi final? I am interested in the ages of the starting line ups. A scan from the programme ideally.
The reason being is that Ladbrokes refused to pay out on a bet up here as their policy is not to have odds on games involving children i.e. U18s. The argument was that they have a book on X Factor was shot down as it is a contest made up of mostly adults.
However I'd say the minor final had mostly over 18s too. Just curious to see.
I see they are quoting odds on u19 soccer games which have 17 year olds playing
Did they take bets on Liverpool 2 seasons ago when sterling was 17?
Here is the story.
http://strabanechronicle.com/2014/09/ladbrokes-accused-of-slipping-out-of-gaa-bet/ (http://strabanechronicle.com/2014/09/ladbrokes-accused-of-slipping-out-of-gaa-bet/)
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/1809141305-all-ireland-minor-final-team-guide-donegal/
Sides well matched.
Kerry the more dangerous in attack but losing the middle very tamely so that's balancing it out. Warming up into a good game. Burns for Kerry standing out.
Some very nervy free taking from Donegal will have to improve if they are to win.
Donegal missing too many chances - they need to take every chance.
Interesting to see Kerry employ the same tactical fouling that works so well for them at senior level.
Kerry should win with a bit to spare.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 21, 2014, 02:11:27 PM
Donegal missing too many chances - they need to take every chance.
Interesting to see Kerry employ the same tactical fouling that works so well for them at senior level.
Kerry should win with a bit to spare.
The bitterness is stong in this one. Donegal not adverse to cynical fouling themselves. Donegal 5 should have gotten a black card for neck high tackle. Bad wides from Kerry keeping Donegal in touch
bitterness?? Explain
Kerry the better team just said if Donegal to have any chance they must take their limited chances.
As regards fouling i just feel it is often not recognized how much tactical fouling is such a part of the Kerry approach at all levels.
Game on now
Great comeback by Donegal were eight down Kerry look rattled.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 21, 2014, 02:21:27 PM
bitterness?? Explain
Kerry the better team just said if Donegal to have any chance they must take their limited chances.
As regards fouling i just feel it is often not recognized how much tactical fouling is such a part of the Kerry approach at all levels.
All senior teams employ cynical tactics, to single out kerry is the bitter part. Kerry kicking the game away. Some terrible wides in the 2nd half
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 21, 2014, 02:25:42 PM
Great comeback by Donegal were eight down Kerry look rattled.
Think 6 was most they were behind.
Quote from: dublin7 on September 21, 2014, 02:28:39 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 21, 2014, 02:21:27 PM
bitterness?? Explain
Kerry the better team just said if Donegal to have any chance they must take their limited chances.
As regards fouling i just feel it is often not recognized how much tactical fouling is such a part of the Kerry approach at all levels.
All senior teams employ cynical tactics, to single out kerry is the bitter part. Kerry kicking the game away. Some terrible wides in the 2nd half
Sorry did not realize you did not know the meaning of bitter!!!
Well done to Kerry the twenty year wait for a minor All Ireland over. Hard luck Donegal a fine effort by them.
Kerry deserved that.
Donegal started going for goals on 45 mins.
Hard to belive a county like Kerry has took 20yrs to win an all-ireland at this level, i remember the 94 team beating a particular good galway team
Natural footballers will usually beat a system.
Donegal were very one dimensional
Kerry footpassing and showing for the ball was top notch
maybe an omen for the senior game
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 21, 2014, 02:43:42 PM
Natural footballers will usually beat a system.
Donegal were very one dimensional
Kerry footpassing and showing for the ball was top notch
maybe an omen for the senior game
The best foot-passer on the field was the Donegal keeper. Destroyed Kerry in the middle. Didn't buy the system v 'natural' shite above. Kerry took their chances while Donegal created more - certainly in the 'danger zone' but had a bad conversion rate. That's all there was in what was quite a good game between two good teams.
Thought Burns was quietly excellent for Kerry.
Quote from: Syferus on September 21, 2014, 03:10:16 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 21, 2014, 02:43:42 PM
Natural footballers will usually beat a system.
Donegal were very one dimensional
Kerry footpassing and showing for the ball was top notch
maybe an omen for the senior game
The best foot-passer on the field was the Donegal keeper. Destroyed Kerry in the middle. Didn't buy the system v 'natural' shite above. Kerry took their chances while Donegal created more - certainly in the 'danger zone' but had a bad conversion rate. That's all there was in what was quite a good game between two good teams.
Thought Burns was quietly excellent for Kerry.
Poor execution of skills by the Donegal players if you ask me.
Anyway, well done to Kerru
Quote from: ONeill on September 21, 2014, 02:37:19 PM
Kerry deserved that.
Donegal started going for goals on 45 mins.
Agree. Badly lacking a bit of leadership on the field during that period.