Hopefully a swansong game for the Hyde.
It might be nice for the Rossies to visit Armagh, an outing for the bus. Do you recall your last visit to the county, albeit in the League?
Hardly 1977 again but good draw for the orchard.
Revenge on the menu for Armagh. Meath for the winner in the next round as kildare who should beat Clare can't face them again or maybe Meath can pull off the shock of the summer.
No reason the Rossies can't win this, Armagh are decent and improving but so are Ross. The Hyde should be worth a point or two to them.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2014, 09:33:44 AM
Revenge on the menu for Armagh. Meath for the winner in the next round as kildare who should beat Clare can't face them again or maybe Meath can pull off the shock of the summer.
Nothing stopping Kildare playing Meath again. Monaghan would have played Tyrone again had Armagh won the Ulster semi final
Roscommon could have beaten Tyrone in the Hyde last year and won't fear Armagh. As well as that Roscommon dealt well with the Cavan blanket and eventually broke it down and this be stand to them against the Armagh defensive system.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2014, 09:33:44 AM
Revenge on the menu for Armagh. Meath for the winner in the next round as kildare who should beat Clare can't face them again or maybe Meath can pull off the shock of the summer.
Nothing stopping Kildare playing Meath again. Monaghan would have played Tyrone again had Armagh won the Ulster semi final
Not true! Teams that have met each other can meet again in rounds 1 & 2 but not 3&4. No idea why the rules were made that way. Winner will play meath bar a Clare upset.
Tough draw for Armagh, probably the hardest game we could have got especially being away from home. However we have nothing to lose having made good progress in this years championship and the winner of this game will have a good shout of making the quarter finals.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2014, 09:33:44 AM
Revenge on the menu for Armagh. Meath for the winner in the next round as kildare who should beat Clare can't face them again or maybe Meath can pull off the shock of the summer.
Nothing stopping Kildare playing Meath again. Monaghan would have played Tyrone again had Armagh won the Ulster semi final
Not true! Teams that have met each other can meet again in rounds 1 & 2 but not 3&4. No idea why the rules were made that way. Winner will play meath bar a Clare upset.
Really? I thought they got rid of that at all stages this year with that new grouping system? Shows you what I know.
What about All Ireland quarter finals. Can you have any matches. Or can two teams who have already met not be drawn against each other? Or even can you just not recreate a provincial final?
Quote from: JP on July 14, 2014, 10:12:54 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on July 14, 2014, 10:09:26 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2014, 09:33:44 AM
Revenge on the menu for Armagh. Meath for the winner in the next round as kildare who should beat Clare can't face them again or maybe Meath can pull off the shock of the summer.
Nothing stopping Kildare playing Meath again. Monaghan would have played Tyrone again had Armagh won the Ulster semi final
Not true! Teams that have met each other can meet again in rounds 1 & 2 but not 3&4. No idea why the rules were made that way. Winner will play meath bar a Clare upset.
you are correct JP, meath and Kildare cannot meet in round 4. So if Kildare were to beat clare, and Dublin beat meath, then meath will play the winners of ros Armagh. This happened with Pot A this morning, there was no draw as Sligo could not play galway, so they could only play cork.
What's Roscommon like for a sat night out on the town? Maybe get an over night trip for the game? Can you suggest any decent hotels or b&b in the town. I asked this question on another thread there...how far is it to Dublin's from Roscommon and how long would it take on a Sunday morning? I'm working in Croke Park for Leinster final and would need to be there for about10:30am...
On the game itself we need to improve by 25% from yesterday to have a chance as i rate Roscommon highly, they are big improvers this year and will certainly not fear Armagh. They won div 3 and disposed of Cavan very easily yesterday. There were also v close to beating a good Mayo side and for me this is a hard game for Armagh
4 weeks on the trot for Armagh. Building up a head of steam.
Where's this on, Kiltoom?
Quote from: ONeill on July 14, 2014, 11:17:08 AM
4 weeks on the trot for Armagh. Building up a head of steam.
You are even more predictable that the Tyrone team was yesterday!
Quote from: illdecide on July 14, 2014, 11:13:07 AM
What's Roscommon like for a sat night out on the town? Maybe get an over night trip for the game? Can you suggest any decent hotels or b&b in the town.
Best B&Bs closest to Roscommon are in Claremorris or Ballyhaunis. Failing that you should base yourself in Ballinasloe or Carrick on Shannon.
Fill up the car with disel, bring some sandwiches, keep the doors and windows locked on the way in, park near the gate of the Hyde, get in and out quick and back across the border as quick as you can, even if that means leaving early and catching the last 10 minutes on the radio.
Oh and look up the HSE site for the list of vaccinations you'll need if visiting Rossieland, its long
Do the HSE acknowledge the existence of Roscommon at all?
Disappointing. A Kildare V Armagh would have enthralled the nation.50/50 chance against Roscommon but on the road for fourth successive week. Can we protest outside Croke Park with placards saying "Let us Home?"
Quote from: armaghniac on July 14, 2014, 12:56:39 PM
Do the HSE acknowledge the existence of Roscommon at all?
Ya they do but not sure about foreign nationals though
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Quote from: illdecide on July 14, 2014, 11:13:07 AM
What's Roscommon like for a sat night out on the town? Maybe get an over night trip for the game? Can you suggest any decent hotels or b&b in the town.
Best B&Bs closest to Roscommon are in Claremorris or Ballyhaunis. Failing that you should base yourself in Ballinasloe or Carrick on Shannon.
Fill up the car with disel, bring some sandwiches, keep the doors and windows locked on the way in, park near the gate of the Hyde, get in and out quick and back across the border as quick as you can, even if that means leaving early and catching the last 10 minutes on the radio.How can you remember all your username's larryin?
Oh and look up the HSE site for the list of vaccinations you'll need if visiting Rossieland, its long
My advice would be only cross the Shannon when it's absolutely necessary.
Armagh boys should spend the night before the game in Granard, Edgeworthstown or Longford town.
;)
Wanted to avoid Roscommon. Especially Away! Very tough draw for Armagh, but still capable of an upset.
On yesterday's game though, it was a massive result, there is lots to improve on but to go out and beat Tyrone in Omagh after that flat performance in the Clones replay was a real show of character and will bring this team on no end. I was there in Feb when Tyrone hammered Armagh and remember thinking to myself fcuk this Tyrone team look the real deal (shows what I know).
Some players are constantly improving, meaning that options for management are increasing and you now have players like A Kernan starting on the bench which can only be a good thing. (Aaron's attitude is fantastic, where other players from his club have thrown the head up he has just got on with it and shown what a class act he is!)
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 14, 2014, 01:30:11 PM
My advice would be only cross the Shannon when it's absolutely necessary.
Armagh boys should spend the night before the game in Granard, Edgeworthstown or Longford town.
;)
I still don't understand why Londford Town has more roundabouts than Dublin.
Tough draw for Armagh. Roscommon will be favourites for this. Division above Armagh now, coming off the back of a good win, will fancy their chances against Armagh and at home for this. Never mind, this Armagh team need tough games to help them develop and get good championship experience. Facile wins over weak opposition in a couple of qualifier games wouldn't bring the team in the same way. Just hope Armagh can put in a consistent level of performance and build a little bit more on the Tyrone game.
What's to do in Roscommon and surrounding areas for the weekend?
For a change Armagh management have some real selection dilemmas with a strong bench available to them. I would go with:
McEvoy
James Morgan
Charlie Vernon
Andy Mallon
Aaron Kernan
Ciaran McKeever
Mark Shields
Aaron Findon
Stephen Harold
Rory Grugan
Kevin Dyas
Tony Kernan
Jamie Clarke
Stefan Campbell
Kyle Carragher
Would be very harsh on Micheal Murray though who showed very well against Tyrone. Wouldn't be overly familiar with the Roscomman full forward line, would imagine Charlie will pick up Shine. We still have Finn M, Brendan Donaghy, Eugene McVerry and Stefan Forker in reserve.
I'm assuming Ethan Rafferty and Toner will miss through injury. Any word on why Dyas was taken off at ht? I hope he hasn't picked up an injury.
Quote from: JP on July 14, 2014, 02:49:11 PM
For a change Armagh management have some real selection dilemmas with a strong bench available to them. I would go with:
McEvoy
James Morgan
Charlie Vernon
Andy Mallon
Aaron Kernan
Ciaran McKeever
Mark Shields
Aaron Findon
Stephen Harold
Rory Grugan
Kevin Dyas
Tony Kernan
Jamie Clarke
Stefan Campbell
Kyle Carragher
Would be very harsh on Micheal Murray though who showed very well against Tyrone. Wouldn't be overly familiar with the Roscomman full forward line, would imagine Charlie will pick up Shine. We still have Finn M, Brendan Donaghy, Eugene McVerry and Stefan Forker in reserve.
I'm assuming Ethan Rafferty and Toner will miss through injury. Any word on why Dyas was taken off at ht? I hope he hasn't picked up an injury.
Cake will be attending if Carragher wants a rematch.
EDIT: We're live on Sky at 5pm. The Hyde gets to go out in style.
Think we are on the march
Armagh are a different proposition from last year
Armagh to revenge 2012
Quote from: illdecide on July 14, 2014, 11:13:07 AM
What's Roscommon like for a sat night out on the town?
What would you think Roscommon is like for a night out on the town? ;D
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 14, 2014, 04:01:26 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 14, 2014, 11:13:07 AM
What's Roscommon like for a sat night out on the town?
What would you think Roscommon is like for a night out on the town? ;D
Well judging by the posts it sounds like Granard...I was only in Rosscommon once when Armagh beat Limerick there think it was 2003 and it was a swift in and out that time...ill re phrase the question....where is the best spot for a night on the town thats within a reasonable travelling distance from Rosscommon Town...
Carrick on shannon or Athlone, I'd go to Carrick, it has the advantage of not even being a little bit in Roscommon
Quote from: illdecide on July 14, 2014, 04:27:22 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 14, 2014, 04:01:26 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 14, 2014, 11:13:07 AM
What's Roscommon like for a sat night out on the town?
What would you think Roscommon is like for a night out on the town? ;D
Well judging by the posts it sounds like Granard...I was only in Rosscommon once when Armagh beat Limerick there think it was 2003 and it was a swift in and out that time...ill re phrase the question....where is the best spot for a night on the town thats within a reasonable travelling distance from Rosscommon Town...
Listening to Fancy Dans and a county in love with soccer leads to bad choices.
Rockfords in Roscommon Town is the main niteclub if you are of that vintage and should be well populated on the Saturday night of a home match. Plenty of bars in the town center to try if you want a quieter time of it.
Game on Sky. Big challenge is for Armagh to string two good performances together, something that hasn't happened too often in recent years.Like all previous Roscommon Armagh clashes this is a 50/50 game.Brings back nostalgic memories of 1977 for us oldies!
Come down and stay in the county.
Lots to do.
Boyle area is very scenic - Lough Key forest Park for the kids.
Roscommon Town is not bad for a night out - some good pubs with craft beers, food and live music.
Nightclub in the town same as most rural county towns- cheap and cheerful.
Best accommodation option would be B&B
Alternatives are Carrick - good selection of pubs and accommodation.
Athlone - nice pubs and restaurants on the Connacht side of the town
Quote from: illdecide on July 14, 2014, 04:27:22 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 14, 2014, 04:01:26 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 14, 2014, 11:13:07 AM
What's Roscommon like for a sat night out on the town?
What would you think Roscommon is like for a night out on the town? ;D
Well judging by the posts it sounds like Granard...I was only in Rosscommon once when Armagh beat Limerick there think it was 2003 and it was a swift in and out that time...ill re phrase the question....where is the best spot for a night on the town thats within a reasonable travelling distance from Rosscommon Town...
Go to Carrick. Eat in the Oarsman, Cryan's or the excellent Chinese - the name of which escapes me. Plenty of good pubs, do a bit of a crawl along the main street.
Quote from: muppet on July 14, 2014, 05:54:44 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 14, 2014, 04:27:22 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 14, 2014, 04:01:26 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 14, 2014, 11:13:07 AM
What's Roscommon like for a sat night out on the town?
What would you think Roscommon is like for a night out on the town? ;D
Well judging by the posts it sounds like Granard...I was only in Rosscommon once when Armagh beat Limerick there think it was 2003 and it was a swift in and out that time...ill re phrase the question....where is the best spot for a night on the town thats within a reasonable travelling distance from Rosscommon Town...
Go to Carrick. Eat in the Oarsman, Cryan's or the excellent Chinese - the name of which escape's me. Plenty of good pubs, do a bit of a crawl along the main street.
visit a Chinese restaurant.
any town in Ireland could use that.
Quote from: neilthemac on July 14, 2014, 06:03:16 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 14, 2014, 05:54:44 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 14, 2014, 04:27:22 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 14, 2014, 04:01:26 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 14, 2014, 11:13:07 AM
What's Roscommon like for a sat night out on the town?
What would you think Roscommon is like for a night out on the town? ;D
Well judging by the posts it sounds like Granard...I was only in Rosscommon once when Armagh beat Limerick there think it was 2003 and it was a swift in and out that time...ill re phrase the question....where is the best spot for a night on the town thats within a reasonable travelling distance from Rosscommon Town...
Go to Carrick. Eat in the Oarsman, Cryan's or the excellent Chinese - the name of which escape's me. Plenty of good pubs, do a bit of a crawl along the main street.
visit a Chinese restaurant.
any town in Ireland could use that.
http://www.theoarsman.com (http://www.theoarsman.com)
http://www.cryanshotel.ie (http://www.cryanshotel.ie)
http://www.tripadvisor.ie/Restaurant_Review-g211937-d1769973-Reviews-Golden_sea_restaurant-Leitrim_County_Leitrim_Western_Ireland.html (http://www.tripadvisor.ie/Restaurant_Review-g211937-d1769973-Reviews-Golden_sea_restaurant-Leitrim_County_Leitrim_Western_Ireland.html)
Every town has a chinese.
A few have a great chinese.
IMHO this one is superb.
and why do most towns in Ireland have Chinese restaurants?
cause it's cheap and cheerful with strong flavours and crap ingredients which masks the fact most Irish people haven't got a club what decent grub should look or taste like.
Quote from: neilthemac on July 14, 2014, 06:14:46 PM
and why do most towns in Ireland have Chinese restaurants?
cause it's cheap and cheerful with strong flavours and crap ingredients which masks the fact most Irish people haven't got a club what decent grub should look or taste like.
The egg-fried rice is always amazing though.
Quote from: neilthemac on July 14, 2014, 06:14:46 PM
and why do most towns in Ireland have Chinese restaurants?
cause it's cheap and cheerful with strong flavours and crap ingredients which masks the fact most Irish people haven't got a club what decent grub should look or taste like.
You should go to Carrick and try the Oarsman. ;)
Quote from: BennyCake on July 14, 2014, 02:38:26 PM
What's to do in Roscommon and surrounding areas for the weekend?
Mayo club championship this weekend.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 14, 2014, 07:00:19 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 14, 2014, 02:38:26 PM
What's to do in Roscommon and surrounding areas for the weekend?
Mayo club championship this weekend.
Mayo-West Ros Club championship you mean. Ballagh are playing the Bellaghy boys so there isn't even much Mayo interest in that one anyways.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 14, 2014, 04:01:26 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 14, 2014, 11:13:07 AM
What's Roscommon like for a sat night out on the town?
What would you think Roscommon is like for a night out on the town? ;D
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/eT9K0TAfiIQ/0.jpg)
Very happy with the venue - happen to be in Athlone for the weekend. :)
Playing at home Roscommon wouldn t want to go losing this now. That d be a step backwards and a bad blow.
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2014, 07:46:01 PM
Playing at home Roscommon wouldn t want to go losing this now. That d be a step backwards and a bad blow.
after beating Tyrone in omagh it would also be a step back if Armagh lose this game.
Time to book holidays. Paddy Power has Roscommon at 4/5 and Armagh at 5/4. Well, maybe the Orchard can pull an Auburn, Syf.
This game is the acid test of Armagh management team! They are sore about lack of respect and appreciation.Well toeearn such it's this type of game they should and do need to win
Armagh people are more than welcome in Roscommon this weekend. Despite what our neighbours think, there's loads to do and see around our magnificent county. The presence of the Sky cameras will add to the interest, and no doubt our bus will draw a lot of attention....It would be nice if the Armagh team could bring the contents of the bus toilets home with them, unlike their hurlers last year...As for the game itself, make no mistake that this will be a very tough game for Roscommon. Armagh didn't have a good league, but any team that drew with Monaghan and beat Tyrone in Omagh, is entitled to be respected. Very hard match to call.
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 14, 2014, 10:16:14 PM
Armagh people are more than welcome in Roscommon this weekend. Despite what our neighbours think, there's loads to do and see around our magnificent county. The presence of the Sky cameras will add to the interest, and no doubt our bus will draw a lot of attention....It would be nice if the Armagh team could bring the contents of the bus toilets home with them, unlike their hurlers last year...As for the game itself, make no mistake that this will be a very tough game for Roscommon. Armagh didn't have a good league, but any team that drew with Monaghan and beat Tyrone in Omagh, is entitled to be respected. Very hard match to call.
At least the Armagh lads aren't as mean as the Tyrone hoors, I've never seen so many boots open and sandwiches being eaten in my life >:(
Hopeful Sky present the match live from inside the bus.
Quote from: Syferus on July 14, 2014, 10:21:45 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 14, 2014, 10:16:14 PM
Armagh people are more than welcome in Roscommon this weekend. Despite what our neighbours think, there's loads to do and see around our magnificent county. The presence of the Sky cameras will add to the interest, and no doubt our bus will draw a lot of attention....It would be nice if the Armagh team could bring the contents of the bus toilets home with them, unlike their hurlers last year...As for the game itself, make no mistake that this will be a very tough game for Roscommon. Armagh didn't have a good league, but any team that drew with Monaghan and beat Tyrone in Omagh, is entitled to be respected. Very hard match to call.
At least the Armagh lads aren't as mean as the Tyrone hoors, I've never seen so many boots open and sandwiches being eaten in my life >:(Hopeful Sky present the match live from inside the bus.
Last month I went to the Hyde without any sandwiches.
I was starving by the time I got back to Mayo!
Looking forward to this game think the orchard are moving forward and the management deserve credit.
As to the match Rossies how is donnie shine playing
A fine footballer
Quote from: naka on July 14, 2014, 10:48:06 PM
Looking forward to this game think the orchard are moving forward and the management deserve credit.
As to the match Rossies how is donnie shine playing
A fine footballer
I have some Anglo shares that I could sell you.
Quote from: naka on July 14, 2014, 10:48:06 PM
Looking forward to this game think the orchard are moving forward and the management deserve credit.
As to the match Rossies how is donnie shine playing
A fine footballer
We're getting the bionic leg fitted on him in Kildare on Wednesday.
Ok smart arses
Just read he has a cruciate injury
Hope he recovers cos he still is a classy footballer
Quote from: naka on July 14, 2014, 11:03:49 PM
Ok smart arses
Just read he has a cruciate injury
Hope he recovers cos he still is a classy footballer
Arrah it's only good natured stuff! Donie's prognosis was 6-8 weeks and the Armagh game will be 6 weeks after the Mayo one. Haven't heard anything to suggest he's even training again so I wouldn't expect to see him on Saturday. You'll like his replacement at 11 too, though..
Quote from: T Fearon on July 14, 2014, 04:40:51 PM
Game on Sky. Big challenge is for Armagh to string two good performances together, something that hasn't happened too often in recent years.Like all previous Roscommon Armagh clashes this is a 50/50 game.Brings back nostalgic memories of 1977 for us oldies!
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- McDermott says All-Ireland semi-final(s) with Armagh unfairly overshadowed by Dublin/Kerry
The 1977 All-Ireland semi-final between Roscommon and Armagh was a repeat of a semi-final meeting in 1953 which Armagh won by a point. While Roscommon had won a number of Connacht titles in the interim, it was Armagh's first Ulster title since 1953. Many people reckon that the other 1977 football semi-final – between Dublin and Kerry – was one of the greatest games ever played, but in the hype surrounding that encounter, two marvellous matches between Roscommon and Armagh were almost totally forgotten about. The first game in particular was a footballing classic between two excellent attacking teams. Ultimately Roscommon lost out in the replay by a single point. One of the stars of those games, Roscommon midfielder Marty McDermott (later to become a very successful Roscommon team manager), recalls those two classic games.
1977 All-Ireland SFC semi-final
Roscommon 2-12
Armagh 3-9
This game was played on a fine sunny day in Croke Park on the 14th August, 1977 and the 32,601 crowd was treated to a classic high-scoring game of football played by two teams who thrilled the spectators with their high energy and attacking style of play.
This drawn game saw John O'Gara play what was probably his greatest game in the primrose and blue jersey. He and his partner Marty McDermott lorded the exchanges in the middle of the field against the much-vaunted pairing of Joe Kernan and Colm McKinstry. O'Gara repeatedly cut a swathe through the Armagh defence with his excellent running and beautiful skill.
I remember travelling to the game on the train. It was packed with Rossies and we all stood together on the Canal End that day but the Roscommon support was dwarfed by the massive number who travelled from the north to support Armagh in their first All-Ireland semi-final in 24 years. There was a sea of tangerine and white in Croke Park.
The action was fast and furious from the throw-in. Tony McManus scored a Roscommon point inside 30 seconds but Armagh responded well and their most potent attacker, Jimmy Smith, scored a fine goal in the 8th minute.
With O'Gara and McDermott in command at midfield Roscommon began to dominate. A great move involving Mickey Menton and Patsy Cox released Eamonn McManus who rattled the Armagh net with a super goal in the 17th minute.
A minute later Mickey Menton's thunderbolt crashed against the post but three minutes later a brilliant solo run from O'Gara – which brought him past several Armagh players – led to a great Roscommon goal by Dermot Earley. Roscommon went in at half-time leading by 2-7 to 1-4.
Armagh came out battling after the break and they grabbed a second goal (from Trainor) after 10 minutes. However points from Mickey Freyne and three Dermot Earley frees left Roscommon seemingly coasting and ahead by seven points with only 13 minutes to go.
Armagh were edging back into the game and with 10 minutes left they were awarded a penalty that was converted by Paddy Moriarty and then three great points from the ever-dangerous Jimmy Smith levelled the scores with two minutes to go.
In the final minute, a Roscommon 'goal' from Mickey Freyne was disallowed for a 'square ball' and then almost immediately a Tony McManus shot was blocked out for a '50. It was the final kick of the game and as Dermot Earley stood to take it, an Armagh official ran across his path and said something. It is not certain to this day whether the Armagh official put Earley off his kick – or what was said – but the result was that he missed the kick and the game ended in a draw.
It was a magnificent, breathless game but Roscommon had thrown away a big lead and a chance to get to an All-Ireland Final. Still, they had lived to fight another day.
Roscommon: Gerry O'Dowd; Harry Keegan, Pat Lindsay, Tom Heneghan; Tom Donnellan, Richard O'Beirne, Danny Murray; John O'Gara (0-1), Marty McDermott; Dermot Earley (1-5), Mickey Freyne (0-1), Eamonn McManus (1-1); Tony McManus (0-1), Patsy Cox (0-2), Mickey Menton (0-1). Subs: J O'Connor for E McManus, G Beirne for Menton, E McManus for O'Gara.
Armagh: B McAlinden; D Stevenson, J Finnegan, J McKerr; K Rafferty, T McCreesh, J Donnelly; J Kernan, C McKinstry; L Kearns, J Smith (1-5), N Marley (0-1); P Loughran (0-2), P Moriarty (1-0), P Trainor (1-0). Subs: S Devlin (0-1) for McCreesh, T McCreesh for Finnegan, F Toman for Rafferty.
Referee: Paddy Collins (Westmeath).
1977 All-Ireland SFC semi-final replay
Armagh 0-15
Roscommon 0-14
This game was just as exciting as the drawn match and was played before a crowd of 43,322 at Croke Park on the 28th August, 1977. The exchanges were tough and hard and the scores were level several times throughout the game.
I stood with the Roscommon supporters on Hill 16. We thought that if we changed ends we would have better luck – however it was not to be! Thankfully there were far more Roscommon supporters at the replay than on the first day.
Armagh started the better and led by 0-3 to 0-0 after nine minutes. John O'Gara was having another great game in the middle of the field for Roscommon and the Connacht champions came roaring back into the game. Points from Dermot Earley, Tony McManus and Patsy Cox saw the sides level and then in the 16th minute Roscommon were denied a goal by the woodwork when Mickey Menton's shot cannoned off the Armagh crossbar and was cleared.
It was nip and tuck all the way through but Roscommon were dealt a cruel blow after 22 minutes when brilliant corner-back Harry Keegan had to go off injured. There was only a point in it at half-time, Armagh 0-8 Roscommon 0-7.
It was a titanic struggle until the 25th minute of the second half when Armagh began to pull away and with Peter Loughran and Jimmy Smith scoring good points, the Orchard County led by three points with five minutes remaining. But Roscommon points from Dermot Earley and sub Michael Finneran left only one in it right on the call of full-time and the Roscommon crowd were on their feet.
Sadly though Roscommon ran out of time and there was much anger directed at referee Paddy Collins as he played almost no injury-time despite claims that he should have played at least three or four minutes.
However Roscommon were beaten by a point and Armagh went through to the All-Ireland Final to play Dublin. It was a heroic effort by the Connacht champions who woud rue losing that seven-point lead in the drawn game.
Roscommon: John McDermott; Harry Keegan, Pat Linsday, Tom Heneghan; Tom Donnellan, Mike Keegan, Danny Murray; John O'Gara, Marty McDermott: Dermot Earley (0-7), Mickey Freyne (0-1), Eamonn McManus (0-2); Tony McManus (0-2), Patsy Cox (0-1), Mickey Menton. Subs: M White for H Keegan, J O'Connor for Menton, M Finneran (0-1) for White.
Armagh scorers: J Smith (0-5), P Loughran (0-5), S Devlin (0-2), P Trainor (0-2), L Kerins (0-1).
Roscommon midfielder Marty McDermott recalls those two great games between Roscommon and Armagh very well.
"They were two brilliant games and although everyone talks about the Kerry/Dublin game in 1977 as being such a classic, the two games between Roscommon and Armagh were super games played between two skillful and very committed teams" he told me.
"The football was top class in both games and I remember that any tactical plan we had went out the window after about 10 minutes the first day because it was real helter-skelter football with the ball travelling from one end of the field to the other at an almighty pace.
"We had a big lead the first day but we did not hold on to it and sadly we paid a heavy price for that. The one thing I remember from the second day was that the second half seemed to go so quickly. When you are playing in a game you get absorbed in it and you haven't a clue about the time but in the replay when the final whistle blew I was sure we had at least ten minutes left to go so it was a bitter blow to lose the game by a point" he said.
With regard to the controversy involving the Armagh official running across Dermot Earley's path as he prepared to take that fateful 50-yard kick at the end of the first game, Marty says: "I don't know what that Armagh official said to Dermot and Dermot has never revealed it to this day. Maybe he will one of these days but we reckon that the incident definitely put him (Earley) off.
"However they were two great games and to be a part of them was a great honour. It was great to be on a such a good skillful Roscommon team at that time. There were wonderful players on it. They are memories that I will treasure" he concluded.
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Quote from: T Fearon on July 14, 2014, 04:40:51 PM
Game on Sky. Big challenge is for Armagh to string two good performances together, something that hasn't happened too often in recent years.Like all previous Roscommon Armagh clashes this is a 50/50 game.Brings back nostalgic memories of 1977 for us oldies!
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- McDermott says All-Ireland semi-final(s) with Armagh unfairly overshadowed by Dublin/Kerry
The 1977 All-Ireland semi-final between Roscommon and Armagh was a repeat of a semi-final meeting in 1953 which Armagh won by a point. While Roscommon had won a number of Connacht titles in the interim, it was Armagh's first Ulster title since 1953. Many people reckon that the other 1977 football semi-final – between Dublin and Kerry – was one of the greatest games ever played, but in the hype surrounding that encounter, two marvellous matches between Roscommon and Armagh were almost totally forgotten about. The first game in particular was a footballing classic between two excellent attacking teams. Ultimately Roscommon lost out in the replay by a single point. One of the stars of those games, Roscommon midfielder Marty McDermott (later to become a very successful Roscommon team manager), recalls those two classic games.
1977 All-Ireland SFC semi-final
Roscommon 2-12
Armagh 3-9
This game was played on a fine sunny day in Croke Park on the 14th August, 1977 and the 32,601 crowd was treated to a classic high-scoring game of football played by two teams who thrilled the spectators with their high energy and attacking style of play.
This drawn game saw John O'Gara play what was probably his greatest game in the primrose and blue jersey. He and his partner Marty McDermott lorded the exchanges in the middle of the field against the much-vaunted pairing of Joe Kernan and Colm McKinstry. O'Gara repeatedly cut a swathe through the Armagh defence with his excellent running and beautiful skill.
I remember travelling to the game on the train. It was packed with Rossies and we all stood together on the Canal End that day but the Roscommon support was dwarfed by the massive number who travelled from the north to support Armagh in their first All-Ireland semi-final in 24 years. There was a sea of tangerine and white in Croke Park.
The action was fast and furious from the throw-in. Tony McManus scored a Roscommon point inside 30 seconds but Armagh responded well and their most potent attacker, Jimmy Smith, scored a fine goal in the 8th minute.
With O'Gara and McDermott in command at midfield Roscommon began to dominate. A great move involving Mickey Menton and Patsy Cox released Eamonn McManus who rattled the Armagh net with a super goal in the 17th minute.
A minute later Mickey Menton's thunderbolt crashed against the post but three minutes later a brilliant solo run from O'Gara – which brought him past several Armagh players – led to a great Roscommon goal by Dermot Earley. Roscommon went in at half-time leading by 2-7 to 1-4.
Armagh came out battling after the break and they grabbed a second goal (from Trainor) after 10 minutes. However points from Mickey Freyne and three Dermot Earley frees left Roscommon seemingly coasting and ahead by seven points with only 13 minutes to go.
Armagh were edging back into the game and with 10 minutes left they were awarded a penalty that was converted by Paddy Moriarty and then three great points from the ever-dangerous Jimmy Smith levelled the scores with two minutes to go.
In the final minute, a Roscommon 'goal' from Mickey Freyne was disallowed for a 'square ball' and then almost immediately a Tony McManus shot was blocked out for a '50. It was the final kick of the game and as Dermot Earley stood to take it, an Armagh official ran across his path and said something. It is not certain to this day whether the Armagh official put Earley off his kick – or what was said – but the result was that he missed the kick and the game ended in a draw.
It was a magnificent, breathless game but Roscommon had thrown away a big lead and a chance to get to an All-Ireland Final. Still, they had lived to fight another day.
Roscommon: Gerry O'Dowd; Harry Keegan, Pat Lindsay, Tom Heneghan; Tom Donnellan, Richard O'Beirne, Danny Murray; John O'Gara (0-1), Marty McDermott; Dermot Earley (1-5), Mickey Freyne (0-1), Eamonn McManus (1-1); Tony McManus (0-1), Patsy Cox (0-2), Mickey Menton (0-1). Subs: J O'Connor for E McManus, G Beirne for Menton, E McManus for O'Gara.
Armagh: B McAlinden; D Stevenson, J Finnegan, J McKerr; K Rafferty, T McCreesh, J Donnelly; J Kernan, C McKinstry; L Kearns, J Smith (1-5), N Marley (0-1); P Loughran (0-2), P Moriarty (1-0), P Trainor (1-0). Subs: S Devlin (0-1) for McCreesh, T McCreesh for Finnegan, F Toman for Rafferty.
Referee: Paddy Collins (Westmeath).
1977 All-Ireland SFC semi-final replay
Armagh 0-15
Roscommon 0-14
This game was just as exciting as the drawn match and was played before a crowd of 43,322 at Croke Park on the 28th August, 1977. The exchanges were tough and hard and the scores were level several times throughout the game.
I stood with the Roscommon supporters on Hill 16. We thought that if we changed ends we would have better luck – however it was not to be! Thankfully there were far more Roscommon supporters at the replay than on the first day.
Armagh started the better and led by 0-3 to 0-0 after nine minutes. John O'Gara was having another great game in the middle of the field for Roscommon and the Connacht champions came roaring back into the game. Points from Dermot Earley, Tony McManus and Patsy Cox saw the sides level and then in the 16th minute Roscommon were denied a goal by the woodwork when Mickey Menton's shot cannoned off the Armagh crossbar and was cleared.
It was nip and tuck all the way through but Roscommon were dealt a cruel blow after 22 minutes when brilliant corner-back Harry Keegan had to go off injured. There was only a point in it at half-time, Armagh 0-8 Roscommon 0-7.
It was a titanic struggle until the 25th minute of the second half when Armagh began to pull away and with Peter Loughran and Jimmy Smith scoring good points, the Orchard County led by three points with five minutes remaining. But Roscommon points from Dermot Earley and sub Michael Finneran left only one in it right on the call of full-time and the Roscommon crowd were on their feet.
Sadly though Roscommon ran out of time and there was much anger directed at referee Paddy Collins as he played almost no injury-time despite claims that he should have played at least three or four minutes.
However Roscommon were beaten by a point and Armagh went through to the All-Ireland Final to play Dublin. It was a heroic effort by the Connacht champions who woud rue losing that seven-point lead in the drawn game.
Roscommon: John McDermott; Harry Keegan, Pat Linsday, Tom Heneghan; Tom Donnellan, Mike Keegan, Danny Murray; John O'Gara, Marty McDermott: Dermot Earley (0-7), Mickey Freyne (0-1), Eamonn McManus (0-2); Tony McManus (0-2), Patsy Cox (0-1), Mickey Menton. Subs: M White for H Keegan, J O'Connor for Menton, M Finneran (0-1) for White.
Armagh scorers: J Smith (0-5), P Loughran (0-5), S Devlin (0-2), P Trainor (0-2), L Kerins (0-1).
Roscommon midfielder Marty McDermott recalls those two great games between Roscommon and Armagh very well.
"They were two brilliant games and although everyone talks about the Kerry/Dublin game in 1977 as being such a classic, the two games between Roscommon and Armagh were super games played between two skillful and very committed teams" he told me.
"The football was top class in both games and I remember that any tactical plan we had went out the window after about 10 minutes the first day because it was real helter-skelter football with the ball travelling from one end of the field to the other at an almighty pace.
"We had a big lead the first day but we did not hold on to it and sadly we paid a heavy price for that. The one thing I remember from the second day was that the second half seemed to go so quickly. When you are playing in a game you get absorbed in it and you haven't a clue about the time but in the replay when the final whistle blew I was sure we had at least ten minutes left to go so it was a bitter blow to lose the game by a point" he said.
With regard to the controversy involving the Armagh official running across Dermot Earley's path as he prepared to take that fateful 50-yard kick at the end of the first game, Marty says: "I don't know what that Armagh official said to Dermot and Dermot has never revealed it to this day. Maybe he will one of these days but we reckon that the incident definitely put him (Earley) off.
"However they were two great games and to be a part of them was a great honour. It was great to be on a such a good skillful Roscommon team at that time. There were wonderful players on it. They are memories that I will treasure" he concluded.
I remember those games.
That was a fine Ros team but probably underachieved outside the province. They didn t seem to bring that swagger into Croke Park. Out of 4 titles in a row they made the AI final once. Yet Rossies are often the first to stone Mayo for conversion rate. Ok in 78 they got flattened by one of the greatest Kerry years but a declining Dublin in 79 should have been taken out.
Armagh was the only team that Roscommon team beat in championship in Croke Park and that was in 1980, in a bit of a shoot-out. For the most part I remember Ros leaving 77 behind. I remember that late Earley miss. I remember thinking at the time as a kid that he never misses anything against us. Then again Mayo would never interfere with the great man's run up :'(
What a great player he was.
Yer lads will go down with the 77-80 team if they can't find a way to win the big one. A team winning that consistently needs to get the big one and we know that better than anyone.
West Ros (and, yes, East Mayo) is a football hotbed, Moy. I've spent many's a time thinking about the sort of all-time team you could make with the players with links to the area. John Morley and Sean Flanagan are laying the ball off to Dermot in the big game in the sky as we speak.
It's been a nice run and reputations have been restored, but there is no way in hell we beat the Common, I mean they are one game too far for us, maybe, maybe if we start AK we have a chance but I will remember this season fondly and wish the Rossies all the best in the quest for Sam!
Prediction, 2-18 The Orchard 1-15
Commonman and Moysider. Well remember 1977 too. Rarely has anyone played a captain's role in Croke Park thas Jimmy Smyth did, particularly in the drawn game, singlehandedly dragging Armagh back from the dead. The official who ran across Dermot Earley was Armagh manager Gerry O' Neill (brother of current Ireland boss Martin O'Neill) who was ahead of his time in terms of psychology! I remember him putting Nudie Hughes completely off his game (indulging in a slanging match) in a championship clash between Armagh and Monaghan a couple of years later!
Two great games between two teams who were unfortunate that Dublin and Kerry were so strong in that era, and as Roscommon showed in 1980, neither were that far away
Quote from: BennyCake on July 14, 2014, 02:38:26 PM
What's to do in Roscommon and surrounding areas for the weekend?
Any lads with black hair (or those who wish they had) should stay the night in Loughglynn. Make sure you wash your hair while there and you're guaranteed to be black for life. :P
Hard to know how this one will go.
In our favour is the Venue, we're under no pressure as we've already had a good season, Armagh may be worn out from 4 hard games, they may have won their All Ireland last Sunday( reports of players crying after it and all that), will Armagh be able to handlea non Ulster team who play football only?
Against is that Armagh have been more battle hardened ( in every sense) by 4 games v Ulster opponents, Jamie Clarke, McKeever, McGeeney and the siege and anti media mentality......
It's a 50/50 game that both teams will feel they can win and will all depend on how things pan out on the day.
I'm hopeful that Johneen will have our lads minds right, will have an oul Kerry trick or two up his sleeve, will impress on our lads not to get involved in the Armagh brawl tactic and that the ref will implement the rough/dangerous play and black cards rules as they are written in the T.O.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 15, 2014, 11:33:41 AM
Hard to know how this one will go.
In our favour is the Venue, we're under no pressure as we've already had a good season, Armagh may be worn out from 4 hard games, they may have won their All Ireland last Sunday( reports of players crying after it and all that), will Armagh be able to handlea non Ulster team who play football only?
Against is that Armagh have been more battle hardened ( in every sense) by 4 games v Ulster opponents, Jamie Clarke, McKeever, McGeeney and the siege and anti media mentality......
It's a 50/50 game that both teams will feel they can win and will all depend on how things pan out on the day.
I'm hopeful that Johneen will have our lads minds right, will have an oul Kerry trick or two up his sleeve, will impress on our lads not to get involved in the Armagh brawl tactic and that the ref will implement the rough/dangerous play and black cards rules as they are written in the T.O.
It is hard to know tbh...the thing you got with Armagh was inconsistency but this we run we're on can galvanise them (2 wins from 4...lol). You guys won't have to worry about any bully tactics from Armagh (unless you try it on first ;)) Playing another team out of Ulster may well result in a more open game of football from Armagh and Roscommon have some good footballers on their side so it should be interesting.
I said earlier i would def like to see A Kernan and R Grugan start, these two can play a bit and will get a bit more space and can get crucial scores.
I think Grugan is better coming on especially when the game has opened up, his passing inside is exceptional and although in both his cameos he has been crucial I still think he is better as an impact sub. I'd rather the likes of McVerry/A Forker in there to do the dirty work at early stages.
With A Kernan you could do either. I'm sure there's nothing worse for the opposition than seeing him getting warmed up to come on. He gave the team a lift when he came on on Sunday and helped close the game out.
I'd second calls for Stefan Campbell to be played in FF. Himself and Clarke had a good chemistry going in the first Monaghan game. Scores will be harder to come by and someone needs to chip in with scores as Armagh are too reliant on Jamie.
Is there any word on Dyas? He has been unreal for Armagh lately!
Armagh bound to be on a high after beating Tyrone and motivation will be high after losing here in 2012. If they can convert chances better I can't see them losing here. I'm right in thinking that fourth round qualifiers are generally held Iin Croke Park?
I hope Marty Duffy is nowhere near Hyde Park on Saturday evening..
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Quote from: Shrewdness on July 15, 2014, 08:54:53 PM
I hope Marty Duffy is nowhere near Hyde Park on Saturday evening..
The ref is Eddie Kinsella.
He could be the standby ref. He'd break Eddie's legs if it meant he could screw over the Ros.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 15, 2014, 08:50:16 PM
Armagh bound to be on a high after beating Tyrone and motivation will be high after losing here in 2012. If they can convert chances better I can't see them losing here. I'm right in thinking that fourth round qualifiers are generally held Iin Croke Park?
You are not right and don't worry your head about Round 4.
Isn't Eddie Kinsella the individual that reffed our match against Mayo? Didn't impress me that day.
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 15, 2014, 10:24:03 PM
Isn't Eddie Kinsella the individual that reffed our match against Mayo? Didn't impress me that day.
Everyone that's not a Duffy deserves a second chance.
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Quote from: Shrewdness on July 15, 2014, 10:24:03 PM
Isn't Eddie Kinsella the individual that reffed our match against Mayo? Didn't impress me that day.
Everyone that's not a Duffy deserves a second chance.
Lol...quote of the week...but he may feel he got a few decisions wrong in your last game and might wanna make it up you by sending C McKeever off and a couple of penalties should help you lot on your way... :P
What style of play do we expect these teams to adopt for this game? Will we see defensive formations with 12 or 13 men behind the ball or will it be all out attack from both teams, which could lead to a high scoring game? Can't really see any changes to the Rossies starting line up. Would like to see an in form Donie Smith get back in at some stage as he's also a handy free taker..
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 16, 2014, 08:36:58 PM
What style of play do we expect these teams to adopt for this game? Will we see defensive formations with 12 or 13 men behind the ball or will it be all out attack from both teams, which could lead to a high scoring game? Can't really see any changes to the Rossies starting line up. Would like to see an in form Donie Smith get back in at some stage as he's also a handy free taker..
Donie Smith has every chance of replacing DOG. Stack almost surely has to be starting after his last two displays.
Hate to agree with Syfín but he has a point.
However a horse like Ian K might start instead of Stackín.
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 16, 2014, 08:36:58 PM
What style of play do we expect these teams to adopt for this game? Will we see defensive formations with 12 or 13 men behind the ball or will it be all out attack from both teams, which could lead to a high scoring game? Can't really see any changes to the Rossies starting line up. Would like to see an in form Donie Smith get back in at some stage as he's also a handy free taker..
We will definitely be playing a defensive style of football with at least one sweeper.
If Ronan Stack was to come in, who would ye envisage losing out. If fit, surely Keenan, N Daly and Cafferkey will man the half back line. I think Donie Smith would offer more from a scoring point of view, than David O'Gara, who hard though he works, never seems to score.
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 16, 2014, 10:55:34 PM
If Ronan Stack was to come in, who would ye envisage losing out. If fit, surely Keenan, N Daly and Cafferkey will man the half back line. I think Donie Smith would offer more from a scoring point of view, than David O'Gara, who hard though he works, never seems to score.
Caff has had a fine debut season and his goal against Mayo was beautiful. Local lad too so I have lots of time for him and I think he has a bright future. I just think places in HB line are so contested now that you need to be going with the hot hand and that hand is Keenan-Niall D-Stack right now. Conor Daly thrives in a more attacking position.
What puts Donie clearly ahead of DOG for me right now is our troubles with frees with the right foot, something Donie can do very well. Were the bigger Donie fit again picking Donie Smith over DOG would be a more murky call, they do different things as players.
Do ye reckon Armagh will opt for a melee or no melee in this one? Would it be likely to help or hinder the Rossies?
QuoteDo ye reckon Armagh will opt for a melee or no melee in this one? Would it be likely to help or hinder the Rossies?
If Ross want one, they'll have no problem getting one :-)
Would love to see Armagh on a day when the goal chances they create actually go into the net, some team will get an awful hiding ...
No way should Donie Smith start this game.If DOG misses out there are other more suitable alternatives.He's not a half-forward.Comin on and playing like a star against a beaten half a team from the half-acre doesn't make it so.In overall context his 21 campaign was poor and be has been overtaken by the likes of Murtagh.
Dare I suggest he's going backwards?
Quote from: Collie Brolly on July 17, 2014, 10:52:41 AM
No way should Donie Smith start this game.If DOG misses out there are other more suitable alternatives.He's not a half-forward.Comin on and playing like a star against a beaten half a team from the half-acre doesn't make it so.In overall context his 21 campaign was poor and be has been overtaken by the likes of Murtagh.
Dare I suggest he's going backwards?
Smith has probably only been properly fit and match sharp for a month or two. First game back was the Mayo U21 game where he cut them apart when clearly not at 100%. Everyone knows that a fully fit Smith is always going to be pushing for a place. Too talented to ignore.
We need a free-taker and we're playing a natural HB in the HF line as it is. Coupled with how Cregg is used and how deep Kilbride was playing the last day there's absolutely room for another out-and-out forward.
Hf and hb are effectively the same position now. That 6 should be Keenan/Daly/Caff and Stack/E smith/Daly eile. Can't see Donie getting in after that.Might have been a tad harsh in original assessment but wasn't far off.He's a long time back from injury now.Anyone know how he's goin in training or in our recent Connacht challenge matches?No doubting the boy is talented but it's his temperament I'd worry about especially against McKeever and co.
Donie Smith hasn't really developed as we'd expected so far. Hopefully by next July he'll have been sorted out and be delivering on the pitch for us.
I suspect Evans will start the same 15 again to get Keenan back in the groove.
I would love to add to this debate, but feel that it would contravene the Armagh media ban.
Quote from: Orior on July 17, 2014, 03:33:57 PM
I would love to add to this debate, but feel that it would contravene the Armagh media ban.
Declare yourself an honorary Mayo supporter temporarily and you can get around it. Fianna Fáil has passed legislation to allow this and it doesn't require a vote at Congress.
Quote from: Collie Brolly on July 17, 2014, 01:56:20 PM
Hf and hb are effectively the same position now. That 6 should be Keenan/Daly/Caff and Stack/E smith/Daly eile. Can't see Donie getting in after that.Might have been a tad harsh in original assessment but wasn't far off.He's a long time back from injury now.Anyone know how he's goin in training or in our recent Connacht challenge matches?No doubting the boy is talented but it's his temperament I'd worry about especially against McKeever and co.
Yeah, just a tad...
Our top scorer in the minor championship 2011 only Ciarán Kilkenny scored more than him the following year he was our top scorer for our U-21s on route to the AI final. Last year our top scorer in div 3 of the NFL. I thought Donie played well v Mayo,Cork in the U-21 championship this year and was threatening to cut loose in the Connacht final but for a very harsh black card.
His senior championship action so far was one half v Mayo last year and a few minutes off the bench v Tyrone,Mayo and Cavan i think the lad deserves a run in the senior side before any type of judgement call is made. By all accounts his form in training,challenges has been good and has been in fine form for his club. He won't start Saturday but is a good option to bring on.
Keenan has been training so unchanged side expected. Low scoring hard hitting contest looks most likely with more scores from frees than play, it might not be a game for the 'purists' however a goal or two could open the game up. Any type of win will do for us the prize for the winner is championship football in August a opportunity we may not get next summer.
Frees are fantastic for bigging up a lad just look at COC.
He doesn't score enough from play.
Quote from: Collie Brolly on July 17, 2014, 06:07:16 PM
Frees are fantastic for bigging up a lad just look at COC.
He doesn't score enough from play.
Eh? COC is one of the best forwards in the country now and even when he wasn't his quality on frees alone were worth his starting spot.
Donie can score points and goals from play in his sleep.
Quote from: roney on July 17, 2014, 04:29:19 PM
media ban? What media ban?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/armagh/paul-grimley-determined-to-lead-armaghs-charge-30437231.html
Sure John Campbell is an Armagh man so the ban doesn't apply to him. ;D
Lads, easiest/best road to get to Roscommon on Sat? Coming from Sth.Armagh/Newry direction
Quote from: Throw ball on July 17, 2014, 06:46:13 PM
Quote from: roney on July 17, 2014, 04:29:19 PM
media ban? What media ban?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/armagh/paul-grimley-determined-to-lead-armaghs-charge-30437231.html
Sure John Campbell is an Armagh man so the ban doesn't apply to him. ;D
Or maybe it is a direct dig at the IN by going with the 'other' paper! :P
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 17, 2014, 07:40:28 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on July 17, 2014, 06:46:13 PM
Quote from: roney on July 17, 2014, 04:29:19 PM
media ban? What media ban?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/armagh/paul-grimley-determined-to-lead-armaghs-charge-30437231.html
Sure John Campbell is an Armagh man so the ban doesn't apply to him. ;D
Or maybe it is a direct dig at the IN by going with the 'other' paper! :P
I think that could be the case....happy enough to be honest. I've really gone off that paper and one journalist in particular
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 17, 2014, 01:52:57 AM
Do ye reckon Armagh will opt for a melee or no melee in this one? Would it be likely to help or hinder the Rossies?
Possibly a tongue in cheek comment there, but to be honest the media are getting up my nose with their constant scapegoating of Armagh on this. Cavan were the instigators in first round getting hot under the collar about a flag. Against Tyrone, it has been said there was a coordinated 'attack' on them by Armagh. 2 Armagh players were pulled to the ground at the throw in and then you had a 6 in one- half a dozen in the other incident with forker and donnelly. The Armagh players will not shrink in these situations any team that would will not go far. As i said its scapegoating by the media who love a bad boy or 2 to demonise saying these things are pre-planned is at best mischievious.
We are nice guys really Roscommon, as you will see on sat.
Is there likely to be much of a crowd at this match? It really is a 50:50 game. As an Armagh the 4 weeks in a row is a worry. The injuries to Ethan Rafferty, Ciaran Toner and Caolan Rafferty are major blows and if Dyas is out as well a major advantage will be handed to Roscommon. No matter what happens on Saturday, and even though we have only reached the same stage as last year, things seem to be going in the right direction. Let's hope it is a good game.
Quote from: you take er! on July 17, 2014, 10:43:52 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 17, 2014, 01:52:57 AM
Do ye reckon Armagh will opt for a melee or no melee in this one? Would it be likely to help or hinder the Rossies?
Possibly a tongue in cheek comment there, but to be honest the media are getting up my nose with their constant scapegoating of Armagh on this. Cavan were the instigators in first round getting hot under the collar about a flag. Against Tyrone, it has been said there was a coordinated 'attack' on them by Armagh. 2 Armagh players were pulled to the ground at the throw in and then you had a 6 in one- half a dozen in the other incident with forker and donnelly. The Armagh players will not shrink in these situations any team that would will not go far. As i said its scapegoating by the media who love a bad boy or 2 to demonise saying these things are pre-planned is at best mischievious.
We are nice guys really Roscommon, as you will see on sat.
To be honest I was influenced by the Darragh O Se column, I didn't see the start of any of the Armagh rows I should keep an open mind on the whole thing. I've no idea or evidence that they were pre-planned. As for bad boys, well what McKeever did was cowardly, other than that I didn't see anything untoward in the Tyrone row.
We don't name teams but surely Roscomman must be obliged to have given us theirs by now?
I think an Armagh win tomorrow will be a greater shock that the win in Omagh last Sunday ... 4 weeks on the trot now for Armagh is tough going for any team, injuries to some key players, Roscommon not easily beaten in the Hyde, everything points to a Roscommon win. Somewhere along the road, the wheels will come off the wagon, just hope it is not tomorrow for Armagh and they at least put in a performance. ::)
Really confident about this
Armagh haven't taken their scores in games yet so I think they have the potential to click against someone.
4 weeks in a row is a big ask but we have momentum and we have utilised the squad over these past few weeks.
Armagh by 3
Make no mistake, Roscommon are waiting in the long grass, aka Hyde Park.
Still don't know how this one will go.
Hopeful we can do it but could all come down to "on the day" as the cliche goes.
Anyway best of luck to our lads and be great if we can keep the roller coaster going for another 2 or 3 weeks.
Quote from: our_fella on July 17, 2014, 07:35:28 PM
Lads, easiest/best road to get to Roscommon on Sat? Coming from Sth.Armagh/Newry direction
It would have to be the motorway as far as Athlone and then the Syferus superhighway to Roscommon
Cross country is much slower than the motorway
Toll €2.90 at Kilcock, €3.10 M50 and €1.40 near Drogheda. Free from the Bridge in Athlone to the Hyde.
Cross country would be a long slow oul haul though.
Quote from: seafoid on July 18, 2014, 03:11:10 PM
Quote from: our_fella on July 17, 2014, 07:35:28 PM
Lads, easiest/best road to get to Roscommon on Sat? Coming from Sth.Armagh/Newry direction
It would have to be the motorway as far as Athlone and then the Syferus superhighway to Roscommon
Cross country is much slower than the motorway
Crossing through Roundabout Town (Longford Town to the uninitiated) would be better if you're going from Newry, you're just going down to Athlone for no reason when you can go straight to Roscommon Town via Longford and Lanesborough. It's definitely not slower than the Athlone way.
You'd be taking the motorway as far as Mulingar and hitting for Longford.
I hope I'm wrong but think this might be one game too far for Armagh. Four weeks on the bounce away from home against an in form Roscommon side on the way up. The form guide says Roscommon but I just hope there is one more big performance in this Armagh side. The winners of this game have a great chance of playing in Croke Park on AI quarter final weekend, the best weekend in the football calendar. I'm informed Dyas is out injured unfortunately and he has been our best player over the last 2 seasons. Roscommon will fancy themselves but if it comes down to a grinding match we have a 50/50 chance. If that's what it takes to win so be it. One positive is Mc Geeneys record in qualifier matches both withArmagh and Kildare. Played 20, won 18, drawn 1 and lost just one. That's why I'm confident that if it comes down to a dogfight we will win. We have to make it a dogfight.
Best of luck to both teams tomorrow
Quote from: yellowcard on July 18, 2014, 10:16:11 PM
I hope I'm wrong but think this might be one game too far for Armagh. Four weeks on the bounce away from home against an in form Roscommon side on the way up. The form guide says Roscommon but I just hope there is one more big performance in this Armagh side. The winners of this game have a great chance of playing in Croke Park on AI quarter final weekend, the best weekend in the football calendar. I'm informed Dyas is out injured unfortunately and he has been our best player over the last 2 seasons. Roscommon will fancy themselves but if it comes down to a grinding match we have a 50/50 chance. If that's what it takes to win so be it. One positive is Mc Geeneys record in qualifier matches both withArmagh and Kildare. Played 20, won 18, drawn 1 and lost just one. That's why I'm confident that if it comes down to a dogfight we will win. We have to make it a dogfight.
It's split up this year. Being we're on the B side whoever comes out of this side will be playing the weekend after the bank holiday.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 18, 2014, 10:16:11 PM
I hope I'm wrong but think this might be one game too far for Armagh. Four weeks on the bounce away from home against an in form Roscommon side on the way up. The form guide says Roscommon but I just hope there is one more big performance in this Armagh side. The winners of this game have a great chance of playing in Croke Park on AI quarter final weekend, the best weekend in the football calendar. I'm informed Dyas is out injured unfortunately and he has been our best player over the last 2 seasons. Roscommon will fancy themselves but if it comes down to a grinding match we have a 50/50 chance. If that's what it takes to win so be it. One positive is Mc Geeneys record in qualifier matches both withArmagh and Kildare. Played 20, won 18, drawn 1 and lost just one. That's why I'm confident that if it comes down to a dogfight we will win. We have to make it a dogfight.
Armagh looked in peak condition last weekend and any win against Tyrone is serious momentum to have. Going by the Roscommon v Mayo game this should be another dogfight. McGeeneys record and seeking revenge are two things that should swing it for Armagh.
Quote from: Syferus on July 18, 2014, 10:31:12 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 18, 2014, 10:16:11 PM
I hope I'm wrong but think this might be one game too far for Armagh. Four weeks on the bounce away from home against an in form Roscommon side on the way up. The form guide says Roscommon but I just hope there is one more big performance in this Armagh side. The winners of this game have a great chance of playing in Croke Park on AI quarter final weekend, the best weekend in the football calendar. I'm informed Dyas is out injured unfortunately and he has been our best player over the last 2 seasons. Roscommon will fancy themselves but if it comes down to a grinding match we have a 50/50 chance. If that's what it takes to win so be it. One positive is Mc Geeneys record in qualifier matches both withArmagh and Kildare. Played 20, won 18, drawn 1 and lost just one. That's why I'm confident that if it comes down to a dogfight we will win. We have to make it a dogfight.
It's split up this year. Being we're on the B side whoever comes out of this side will be playing the weekend after the bank holiday.
Didn't know that. Bit of a shame cos the QF usually threw up the best weekends football of the year with consecutive days double headers on the first week in August. Hope the winners of tomorrow's game can make it there, that would represent a great season for either side. Hopefully be Armagh though I'll be travelling a bit more in hope than expectation.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 18, 2014, 10:57:42 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 18, 2014, 10:31:12 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 18, 2014, 10:16:11 PM
I hope I'm wrong but think this might be one game too far for Armagh. Four weeks on the bounce away from home against an in form Roscommon side on the way up. The form guide says Roscommon but I just hope there is one more big performance in this Armagh side. The winners of this game have a great chance of playing in Croke Park on AI quarter final weekend, the best weekend in the football calendar. I'm informed Dyas is out injured unfortunately and he has been our best player over the last 2 seasons. Roscommon will fancy themselves but if it comes down to a grinding match we have a 50/50 chance. If that's what it takes to win so be it. One positive is Mc Geeneys record in qualifier matches both withArmagh and Kildare. Played 20, won 18, drawn 1 and lost just one. That's why I'm confident that if it comes down to a dogfight we will win. We have to make it a dogfight.
It's split up this year. Being we're on the B side whoever comes out of this side will be playing the weekend after the bank holiday.
Didn't know that. Bit of a shame cos the QF usually threw up the best weekends football of the year with consecutive days double headers on the first week in August. Hope the winners of tomorrow's game can make it there, that would represent a great season for either side. Hopefully be Armagh though I'll be travelling a bit more in hope than expectation.
Aye, just another mark against the new system. There is a chance that they could play the two 4B matches and the first two QFs in Croker on the bank holiday weekend if it's viable.
the road from Granard-Edgeworthstown-Longford town and Lanesboro to Roscommon is good
the road through Cavan is terrible and the stretch from Longford to Lanesboro is also twisty.
Best of luck to the Ros today.
What the odds on Roscoomon key players been targeted and the referee doing nothing?
Twice Armagh have gained a advantage ruffing up key players before/during the game and crying to the media afterwards they are been victimised. or wait a second Grimley wont speak to media
Referee needs to be strong today.I wonder what the odds are on Ciaran McKeever to be recarded?
Quote from: PaddyP73 on July 19, 2014, 02:54:27 PM
What the odds on Roscoomon key players been targeted and the referee doing nothing?
Twice Armagh have gained a advantage ruffing up key players before/during the game and crying to the media afterwards they are been victimised. or wait a second Grimley wont speak to media
Referee needs to be strong today.I wonder what the odds are on Ciaran McKeever to be recarded?
All the shit you're alluding to is media myth!
Quote from: Sandy Hill on July 19, 2014, 03:22:58 PM
Quote from: PaddyP73 on July 19, 2014, 02:54:27 PM
What the odds on Roscoomon key players been targeted and the referee doing nothing?
Twice Armagh have gained a advantage ruffing up key players before/during the game and crying to the media afterwards they are been victimised. or wait a second Grimley wont speak to media
Referee needs to be strong today.I wonder what the odds are on Ciaran McKeever to be recarded?
All the shit you're alluding to is media myth!
We'll see. Armagh had no problems targeting Cathal Cregg two years ago. Don't expect any different today.
FFS thunderstorms here in England, better clear before 5
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All the shit you're alluding to is media myth!
It's no myth. McKeever and co are filthy tramps.... fact!
Good luck lads.
Both teams have set up defensively bit Roscommon are playing a horrible brand of football so far.
any links about?
Link
http://cricfree.sx/sky-sports-3-live-stream-uk.php
http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=268579&part=sports
Jittery start by Ros.
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on July 19, 2014, 05:13:48 PM
Link
http://cricfree.sx/sky-sports-3-live-stream-uk.php
http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=268579&part=sports
many thanks
Have Roscommon tried to kick pass it yet? Armagh are wining this because they are kicking the odd ball in, Roscommon in contrast are running everything and have been very fortunate to get some soft frees otherwise Armagh would be running away with this.
Again Ros try to run it and turn the ball over which ends in an Armagh score. Surely kicking a few balls in would give Armagh something to think about and could result in a score?
Get Forker off tae fook b4 he's sent off
29 minutes in and Roscommon still have not scored from play. Armagh can take the ball in further for goal chances that are there for them- they should be up by 8 or 10 points more.
Horrible game, with two teams playing horrible football but Roscommon are adding cluelessness into the mix to make their performance so far absolutely forgettable. Armagh are playing the only bit of football so far.
Roscommon are having a mare so far. Armagh in control and seem more focused and hungrier. Lucky to be only four down. It'll take a bit of turning around though.
I wouldn't say Roscommon are having a mare, their 'tactics' are absolutely woeful. At one point, Higgins I think, was one the sideline being pressurised by 2 or 3 Armagh defenders for about 30 seconds and he had no options to pass to, Shine has had 2 horrible wides he never should have taken on and Roscommon haven't kept enough players in the full forward line to give the Armagh sweeper enough to think about. Evans has made a holy mess of this.
Armagh on top, conditions are very harsh. Big 2nd half ahead, armagh get a goal we will win this.
Armagh tactics spot on. Some really nice patient football scoring 7 points from play while Roscommon have yet to get one.
Really happy Findon got his point, this has been worked on every single game so far, he catches it, lays it off and runs to the edge of the square. Andy Mallon's point was also the result of hard work at the training ground. Really impressed with the workrate and intensity. Hopefully they can keep it up in the second half.
I watched Armagh v Monaghan (draw) and was impressed by their athleticism, they are a big mobile team, although today, so far they are unable to win a kick out at midfield at least for first 20 mins, that has to be a concern.
Roscommon are difficult to watch,Donegal lite. I think Evans is holding them back tactically.
It appears Eddie Kinsella doesn't believe Armagh are allowed contest kick outs, that's 3 non frees against the Armagh midfield.
Roscommon are poor walking the ball into contact constantly they have conceded some amount of turnovers
goal-goodnight irene
Gees- had thought roscommon might beat armagh but look to be getting hammered.
Hopefully for Roscommon that Armagh goal will make John Evans realise kicking the ball in can pay dividends. Roscommon are a young, talented, developing team but they're strength is in their forwards, let them play football John and stop trying to be too smart.
Hold on...
Surprisingly handy win for Armagh. Managed to hold them at arms length for most of the game.
Delighted!! Great result!!! to score 1-14 as well is very impressive!! the orangemen are still marching!!! :D
Much better second half but Roscommon were extremely disappointing. I wouldn't be too optimistic if I were an Armagh man though as I thought they looked fairly average in many respects. They won't be an easy team to beat for some of their next likely opponents but they are limited enough in the forward line and I think that will come back to haunt them.
Happy days are here again. Grimley to stay, lol
Quote from: joemamas on July 19, 2014, 05:53:01 PM
I watched Armagh v Monaghan (draw) and was impressed by their athleticism, they are a big mobile team, although today, so far they are unable to win a kick out at midfield at least for first 20 mins, that has to be a concern.
Roscommon are difficult to watch,Donegal lite. I think Evans is holding them back tactically.
Could have sworn I watched two teams dropping men back there...
Quote from: Zulu on July 19, 2014, 06:35:21 PM
Much better second half but Roscommon were extremely disappointing. I wouldn't be too optimistic if I were an Armagh man though as I thought they looked fairly average in many respects. They won't be an easy team to beat for some of their next likely opponents but they are limited enough in the forward line and I think that will come back to haunt them.
6 different scorers at the end of the first half alone - not sure how many at the end and Armagh are limited?
Quote from: Zulu on July 19, 2014, 06:35:21 PM
Much better second half but Roscommon were extremely disappointing. I wouldn't be too optimistic if I were an Armagh man though as I thought they looked fairly average in many respects. They won't be an easy team to beat for some of their next likely opponents but they are limited enough in the forward line and I think that will come back to haunt them.
Scored 1-14 from play of which Jamie Clarke contributed 3 points. I'm very happy with our range of scorers and attacking play today. We will give Meath (Likely opponents) a good game.
Well done Armagh, surprised at the ease of the victory tbh. Good to see JC getting support from the other forwards. Thought the ref was overly harsh on us too, some very soft frees given. Some big performances from TK, CMcK, mallon, findon & generally good all round i suppose.
Bandwagons at the ready.
Roscommon will be very disappointed with that performance, definitely a team with potential but they could not cope with the blanket defence and the wet ball.
Some of the big names were poor I thought including cregg and kilbride in the ff line
Who's next, and where?
Armagh looked a lot more physical and used the ball better.Wouldn't agree that they are limited in the forwards, if they get a few of the injured players back like Caolan and Ethan Rafferty back that will give them more options
Who could Armagh potentially play next?
V. pleased with what I saw today, though Ros's sluggish 1st half play suited us very well. Despite losing the midfield battle, Armagh showed much more tenacity than Ros. Ball movement was crisp and appeared to be intentional. Good running off the ball which provided lots of options.
McKeever played a captain's part, but I liked Andy Mallon's play. The Cross boys worked very well in sync.
Armagh developing into a decent team
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 19, 2014, 06:44:26 PM
Roscommon will be very disappointed with that performance, definitely a team with potential but they could not cope with the blanket defence and the wet ball.
Some of the big names were poor I thought including cregg and kilbride in the ff line
Thought Roscommon were at least as, probably more, defensive than Armagh.
Quote6 different scorers at the end of the first half alone - not sure how many at the end and Armagh are limited?
QuoteScored 1-14 from play of which Jamie Clarke contributed 3 points.
True, but that doesn't mean Armagh aren't limited in an attacking sense. To be fair conditions weren't great but I didn't see too many, bar Clarke who would likely make the Dublin forward line for example. Armagh are now at the business end and of the championship and I didn't think they looked like a team that would outscore many of the teams left. They could certainly give some teams problems but they look limited from what I've seen. Probably a discussion for another day though.
Quote from: Zulu on July 19, 2014, 07:00:13 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 19, 2014, 06:44:26 PM
Roscommon will be very disappointed with that performance, definitely a team with potential but they could not cope with the blanket defence and the wet ball.
Some of the big names were poor I thought including cregg and kilbride in the ff line
Thought Roscommon were at least as, probably more, defensive than Armagh.
Quote6 different scorers at the end of the first half alone - not sure how many at the end and Armagh are limited?
QuoteScored 1-14 from play of which Jamie Clarke contributed 3 points.
True, but that doesn't mean Armagh aren't limited in an attacking sense. To be fair conditions weren't great but I didn't see too many, bar Clarke who would likely make the Dublin forward line for example. Armagh are now at the business end and of the championship and I didn't think they looked like a team that would outscore many of the teams left. They could certainly give some teams problems but they look limited from what I've seen. Probably a discussion for another day though.
To be fair I don't think many counties would compare favorably to Dublin. Our attacking wing backs do alot of damage also. I'm just delighted to be in round 4 in the championship, feeling very optimistic and will be cheering on Dublin tomorrow so the the dream of making the quarter finals remains possible. If we can compete with Monaghan there isn't many teams we can't have a go at.
Yeah, I know Dublin are a high standard for any team but I'd be a bit concerned if I was an Armagh man that any team clipping over a nice score might be hard to keep with. Armagh won't gear anyone bar the very best and they'll be dangerous opponents but they might find the Croke Park an unforgiving place. Still you're in the mix now so I can understand Armagh lads rightly taking the positive out it.
Quote from: Zulu on July 19, 2014, 07:10:46 PM
Yeah, I know Dublin are a high standard for any team but I'd be a bit concerned if I was an Armagh man that any team clipping over a nice score might be hard to keep with. Armagh won't gear anyone bar the very best and they'll be dangerous opponents but they might find the Croke Park an unforgiving place. Still you're in the mix now so I can understand Armagh lads rightly taking the positive out it.
To be honest I'm just very happy to still be in the championship. After a horrible league this is more then most expected. We are a team to be respected again and have progressed further then we have for the last 6 years. We have a disciplined team with a clear strategy, if a team can best us fair play to them but regardless I am proud of the team.
Hopefully we will meet again in the league in 2016 in Division 2.
Ros in not as good as Syferus says shocker.
At least there will be no more talk of "the hyde" for the rest of the year.
Quote from: JP on July 19, 2014, 07:16:26 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 19, 2014, 07:10:46 PM
Yeah, I know Dublin are a high standard for any team but I'd be a bit concerned if I was an Armagh man that any team clipping over a nice score might be hard to keep with. Armagh won't gear anyone bar the very best and they'll be dangerous opponents but they might find the Croke Park an unforgiving place. Still you're in the mix now so I can understand Armagh lads rightly taking the positive out it.
To be honest I'm just very happy to still be in the championship. After a horrible league this is more then most expected. We are a team to be respected again and have progressed further then we have for the last 6 years. We have a disciplined team with a clear strategy, if a team can best us fair play to them but regardless I am proud of the team.
Hopefully we will meet again in the league in 2016 in Division 2.
Armagh are a physical and solid team. Midfield is a bit weak though. Like us their ceiling this year is probably an AIQF. No shame in that, just means more work will need to be done over the next year to make the next step.
Armagh were very organised in defence again and very hard to break down. Up front Jamie was outstanding and led Roscommon a merry dance. Ok roscommon hit a good few wides but that's credit to Armagh.
Armagh have nothing to lose now and all to gain and as an Armagh fan beside me said - we've only 3 more games to get to the AI final.
I think Armagh could go all the way.
Quote from: orangeman on July 19, 2014, 07:30:49 PM
Armagh were very organised in defence again and very hard to break down. Up front Jamie was outstanding and led Roscommon a merry dance. Ok roscommon hit a good few wides but that's credit to Armagh.
Armagh have nothing to lose now and all to gain and as an Armagh fan beside me said - we've only 3 more games to get to the AI final.
Hope we don't start this talk. Let's take it one game at a time.
What's the story with Toner & the Raffertys? Any chance of any of them making the next game?
Quote from: JP on July 19, 2014, 07:16:26 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 19, 2014, 07:10:46 PM
Yeah, I know Dublin are a high standard for any team but I'd be a bit concerned if I was an Armagh man that any team clipping over a nice score might be hard to keep with. Armagh won't gear anyone bar the very best and they'll be dangerous opponents but they might find the Croke Park an unforgiving place. Still you're in the mix now so I can understand Armagh lads rightly taking the positive out it.
To be honest I'm just very happy to still be in the championship. After a horrible league this is more then most expected. We are a team to be respected again and have progressed further then we have for the last 6 years. We have a disciplined team with a clear strategy, if a team can best us fair play to them but regardless I am proud of the team.
Hopefully we will meet again in the league in 2016 in Division 2.
There have been good footballers in armagh all that time though. They just lacked strategy / direction.
Northern Irelands hopes rest on Armagh this year, as a Derry man I never would have thought that a few months ago.
Quote from: Syferus on July 19, 2014, 07:29:43 PM
Quote from: JP on July 19, 2014, 07:16:26 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 19, 2014, 07:10:46 PM
Yeah, I know Dublin are a high standard for any team but I'd be a bit concerned if I was an Armagh man that any team clipping over a nice score might be hard to keep with. Armagh won't gear anyone bar the very best and they'll be dangerous opponents but they might find the Croke Park an unforgiving place. Still you're in the mix now so I can understand Armagh lads rightly taking the positive out it.
To be honest I'm just very happy to still be in the championship. After a horrible league this is more then most expected. We are a team to be respected again and have progressed further then we have for the last 6 years. We have a disciplined team with a clear strategy, if a team can best us fair play to them but regardless I am proud of the team.
Hopefully we will meet again in the league in 2016 in Division 2.
Armagh are a physical and solid team. Midfield is a bit weak though. Like us their ceiling this year is probably an AIQF. No shame in that, just means more work will need to be done over the next year to make the next step.
Looks like Roscommon ceiling was actually the 3rd round of qualifiers!!
Hard luck to Roscommon, there is definitely something there to work with.
Armagh were Physical, Intelligent and for the best part accurate taking 66% of their chances. We still haven't seen anywhere near the full potential of this squad and that makes me excited about the future of this squad and on top of that the team have shown improvements from last year.
Good grief that was awful viewing. Both sides decided to play like Cavan.
Thank God for Jamie Clarke and Andy Mallon. Only reason for tuning in.
Roscommon flatter to deceive yet again.
Was the Roscommon - mayo game better viewing?
Quote from: INDIANA on July 19, 2014, 08:45:45 PM
Good grief that was awful viewing. Both sides decided to play like Cavan.
Thank God for Jamie Clarke and Andy Mallon. Only reason for tuning in.
Roscommon flatter to deceive yet again.
Yes both teams decided to play like Cavan. Lets ignore the facts that Armagh scored 1-17 against the same oppostion that Cavan scored 5 points, and that Roscomman posted a respectable tally. Would suit your argument better heh?
Quote from: JP on July 19, 2014, 08:51:45 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 19, 2014, 08:45:45 PM
Good grief that was awful viewing. Both sides decided to play like Cavan.
Thank God for Jamie Clarke and Andy Mallon. Only reason for tuning in.
Roscommon flatter to deceive yet again.
Yes both teams decided to play like Cavan. Lets ignore the facts that Armagh scored 1-17 against the same oppostion that Cavan scored 5 points, and that Roscomman posted a respectable tally. Would suit your argument better heh?
Cavan don't have Jamie Clarke. He was the difference as he always is for Armagh.
Like one wonders where you'd be without him.
He has the awful misfortune to be born in an era where he has only average individuals around him.
Had he been around in 2003-2008 you'd have won another 2 all-irelands at least
Quote from: INDIANA on July 19, 2014, 08:54:09 PM
Quote from: JP on July 19, 2014, 08:51:45 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 19, 2014, 08:45:45 PM
Good grief that was awful viewing. Both sides decided to play like Cavan.
Thank God for Jamie Clarke and Andy Mallon. Only reason for tuning in.
Roscommon flatter to deceive yet again.
Yes both teams decided to play like Cavan. Lets ignore the facts that Armagh scored 1-17 against the same oppostion that Cavan scored 5 points, and that Roscomman posted a respectable tally. Would suit your argument better heh?
Cavan don't have Jamie Clarke. He was the difference as he always is for Armagh.
Like one wonders where you'd be without him.
He has the awful misfortune to be born in an era where he has only average individuals around him.
Had he been around in 2003-2008 you'd have won another 2 all-irelands at least
Jamie Clarke is an outstanding player no doubt. But you are doing a serious discredit to the other Armagh players. He is not worth 15 points alone. Lets not forget out of the 1-14 points Armagh scored from play he scored 3 points. You really are disrespecting the other Armagh players in what was a superb team effort.
No doubt Jamie can't possibly do it on his own or even be the only difference between winning and losing, however his talent does stand out like a sore thumb. There's a lot of love for Jamie.
For a while we even had sympathy for his plight, a flower in a desert.
Congrats Armagh, best team won. Best of luck for rest of championship. Can any of my fellow Rossies tell me how long John Evans' tenure is supposed to be?
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 19, 2014, 09:27:13 PM
Congrats Armagh, best team won. Best of luck for rest of championship. Can any of my fellow Rossies tell me how long John Evans' tenure is supposed to be?
Two years. He was offered three but wanted two and for him to be judged on how things were after that. Seems inconceivable that he won't sign up for another year and indeed I'd hope we'd get another two year term for Evans. He's proven himself an astute manager and stability is key to getting up to D2 standard for next spring.
Quote from: Syferus on July 19, 2014, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 19, 2014, 09:27:13 PM
Congrats Armagh, best team won. Best of luck for rest of championship. Can any of my fellow Rossies tell me how long John Evans' tenure is supposed to be?
Two years. He was offered three but wanted two and for him to be judged on how things were after that. Seems inconceivable that he won't sign up for another year and indeed I'd hope we'd get another two year term for Evans. He's proven himself an astute manager and stability is key to getting up to D2 standard for next spring.
What's he achieved thus far?
Quote from: INDIANA on July 19, 2014, 09:46:39 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 19, 2014, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 19, 2014, 09:27:13 PM
Congrats Armagh, best team won. Best of luck for rest of championship. Can any of my fellow Rossies tell me how long John Evans' tenure is supposed to be?
Two years. He was offered three but wanted two and for him to be judged on how things were after that. Seems inconceivable that he won't sign up for another year and indeed I'd hope we'd get another two year term for Evans. He's proven himself an astute manager and stability is key to getting up to D2 standard for next spring.
What's he achieved thus far?
Jaysus you are the height of negativity. He has got promoted to Division 2 and ran Mayo to a point. Well worth continuing on.
Do you expect him to win Sam?
So, assuming a Dublin win, do we get Meath, or am I way off?
Quote from: Oraisteach on July 19, 2014, 09:50:48 PM
So, assuming a Dublin win, do we get Meath, or am I way off?
You're way off in assuming a Dublin win
Quote from: JP on July 19, 2014, 09:49:35 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 19, 2014, 09:46:39 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 19, 2014, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 19, 2014, 09:27:13 PM
Congrats Armagh, best team won. Best of luck for rest of championship. Can any of my fellow Rossies tell me how long John Evans' tenure is supposed to be?
Two years. He was offered three but wanted two and for him to be judged on how things were after that. Seems inconceivable that he won't sign up for another year and indeed I'd hope we'd get another two year term for Evans. He's proven himself an astute manager and stability is key to getting up to D2 standard for next spring.
What's he achieved thus far?
Jaysus you are the height of negativity. He has got promoted to Division 2 and ran Mayo to a point. Well worth continuing on.
Do you expect him to win Sam?
I suppose it depends on what your standards. You've a fair number of lads who've done well at u21 level and maybe its time for the 21 management to move up with them.
I don't see any discernable improvement Armagh are not AI contenders and they beat you comfortably at home. You should be doing much better then that after reaching 2 all ireland u21 finals in the last 4 years in my view.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 19, 2014, 09:57:24 PM
Quote from: JP on July 19, 2014, 09:49:35 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 19, 2014, 09:46:39 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 19, 2014, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 19, 2014, 09:27:13 PM
Congrats Armagh, best team won. Best of luck for rest of championship. Can any of my fellow Rossies tell me how long John Evans' tenure is supposed to be?
Two years. He was offered three but wanted two and for him to be judged on how things were after that. Seems inconceivable that he won't sign up for another year and indeed I'd hope we'd get another two year term for Evans. He's proven himself an astute manager and stability is key to getting up to D2 standard for next spring.
What's he achieved thus far?
Jaysus you are the height of negativity. He has got promoted to Division 2 and ran Mayo to a point. Well worth continuing on.
Do you expect him to win Sam?
I suppose it depends on what your standards. You've a fair number of lads who've done well at u21 level and maybe its time for the 21 management to move up with them.
I don't see any discernable improvement Armagh are not AI contenders and they beat you comfortably at home. You should be doing much better then that after reaching 2 all ireland u21 finals in the last 4 years in my view.
Weren't you saying we shouldn't even bother with the effort at U21 this year and that it was all about senior? And now because we've made another U21 final we should be doing better at senior?
Do you not see the contradiction there Indiana?
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Congrats Armagh, best team won. Best of luck for rest of championship. Can any of my fellow Rossies tell me how long John Evans' tenure is supposed to be?
Two years. He was offered three but wanted two and for him to be judged on how things were after that. Seems inconceivable that he won't sign up for another year and indeed I'd hope we'd get another two year term for Evans. He's proven himself an astute manager and stability is key to getting up to D2 standard for next spring.
What's he achieved thus far?
Jaysus you are the height of negativity. He has got promoted to Division 2 and ran Mayo to a point. Well worth continuing on.
Do you expect him to win Sam?
I suppose it depends on what your standards. You've a fair number of lads who've done well at u21 level and maybe its time for the 21 management to move up with them.
I don't see any discernable improvement Armagh are not AI contenders and they beat you comfortably at home. You should be doing much better then that after reaching 2 all ireland u21 finals in the last 4 years in my view.
Weren't you saying we shouldn't even bother with the effort at U21 this year and that it was all about senior? And now because we've made another U21 final we should be doing better at senior?
Do you not see the contradiction there Indiana?
No I think u21 should be kept in perspective- its not a guarantee and that senior football always supercedes u21. If I had my way players who play senior championship during their u21 period would be inelligible for u21 the following year.
But it does indicate you've a number of talented u21 players and in my view your senior management isn't getting the best from the resources at their disposal.
Armagh with precious little in return at u21 and minor recently are maximising their resources all be it playing an unattractive style of football.
Depressing way to exit the championship. The intensity Armagh brought to the game was on a different level to us and they clearly wanted it more than us. Our lads in comparison looked very flat and sluggish its pointless dropping players back if they aren't going to defend or at least make the effort to double up our defending throughout was too loose a blanket full of holes in truth it was too easy for Armagh we stood off them they could pick passes,scores off at ease with little or no tackling by us, the Armagh goal just summed up our defending on the day a big high hopefully ball kicked in with both full back line and keeper all at sea.
Apart from Seanie Mac in patches our more experienced players didn't stand up and show the much needed leadership for the younger lads. We did well in midfield but again no use if you aren't solid in defence. Took us until the start of the 2nd half to find a score from play we took many wrong options but the solid wall of defence we faced is what we needed to bring to this game we did v Mayo for whatever reason we didn't today.
Its a long way off at this moment in time but Div 2 will be sink or swim for us now. We have plenty of potential in our panel with more coming through i just hope todays defeat hasn't knocked the lads back too far. Well done to Armagh full value for their win will be interesting how far they progress in the championship.
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Congrats Armagh, best team won. Best of luck for rest of championship. Can any of my fellow Rossies tell me how long John Evans' tenure is supposed to be?
Two years. He was offered three but wanted two and for him to be judged on how things were after that. Seems inconceivable that he won't sign up for another year and indeed I'd hope we'd get another two year term for Evans. He's proven himself an astute manager and stability is key to getting up to D2 standard for next spring.
You can t be happy with that today Sy? Playing at home and all yet it was Armagh that started with more ambition and played the conditions better too. Look at all the killer turnovers Ros had.
I didn t see the Cavan game but it seemed Ros were incrementally improving from the Mayo game. Surely this is setback.
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Congrats Armagh, best team won. Best of luck for rest of championship. Can any of my fellow Rossies tell me how long John Evans' tenure is supposed to be?
Two years. He was offered three but wanted two and for him to be judged on how things were after that. Seems inconceivable that he won't sign up for another year and indeed I'd hope we'd get another two year term for Evans. He's proven himself an astute manager and stability is key to getting up to D2 standard for next spring.
What's he achieved thus far?
Jaysus you are the height of negativity. He has got promoted to Division 2 and ran Mayo to a point. Well worth continuing on.
Do you expect him to win Sam?
I suppose it depends on what your standards. You've a fair number of lads who've done well at u21 level and maybe its time for the 21 management to move up with them.
I don't see any discernable improvement Armagh are not AI contenders and they beat you comfortably at home. You should be doing much better then that after reaching 2 all ireland u21 finals in the last 4 years in my view.
Weren't you saying we shouldn't even bother with the effort at U21 this year and that it was all about senior? And now because we've made another U21 final we should be doing better at senior?
Do you not see the contradiction there Indiana?
No I think u21 should be kept in perspective- its not a guarantee and that senior football always supercedes u21. If I had my way players who play senior championship during their u21 period would be inelligible for u21 the following year.
But it does indicate you've a number of talented u21 players and in my view your senior management isn't getting the best from the resources at their disposal.
Armagh with precious little in return at u21 and minor recently are maximising their resources all be it playing an unattractive style of football.
Armagh won a minor AI in 2009. I know first-hand that their minor teams in 2010 and 2011 were very handy. For whatever reason they didn't do it at U21 but they have a pedigree of their own.
Happy with this season overall. Promoted with minimal fuss, the main objective of the year. Also got consistent performance throughout the year, even if we saved our worst half of football this year for today. Maybe you can't see it because you don't get to see enough of Roscommon's games but Darren O'Malley, Niall Carty, Neil Collins, Niall Daly, Cathal Shine, Kevin Higgins, Ronan Stack and even Donie Shine have shown noticeable improvements as players, none of whom were U21s this year or last. The likes of Diarmuid Murtagh, Enda Smith and Conor Daly have also proven to already be capable of performing at senior IC despite their youth. Much more positives than negatives this year.
No need to over-react to one game and I doubt we will.
Revenge gained and to score 1-17 away against a side on the rise takes some doing. One win away from the quarter finals for Armagh now and not many would have predicted that after the disappointment of relegation. McGeeneys good record in the qualifiers continues.
Armagh won an U21 in 2004. Should be in their prime still. Any of them still around?
Why on earth was Kinsella rushing Kernan to take the free?
Absolute Beaut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0COmTRQUgvY
Quote from: moysider on July 19, 2014, 10:26:17 PM
Armagh won an U21 in 2004. Should be in their prime still. Any of them still around?
McKeever and Aaron Kernan played in that team.
Rory Grugan, James Morgan and Eugune McVerry are from the 2009 Minor team.
They were in the Ulster u21 final in 09, kyle Carragher was on that team. Decent u21 team this year, beaten by Donegal in the Ulster semi final by a couple of pts.it was a strong Donegal side, Armagh were missing Caolan Rafferty I recall ,probaly their best player
]Happy enough to see Armagh win today without really getting things together, there is room for improvement. While the ref made some strange decisions there is no point in getting the ball moved up and giving away a point, some restraint is needed.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 19, 2014, 07:34:08 PM
I think Armagh could go all the way.
No doubt, if your are referring to the Ladies. But this thread is about the men's team, they won't go more than 2 more games, but there has been an improvement and the tide has turned.
Quote from: moysider on July 19, 2014, 10:26:17 PM
Armagh won an U21 in 2004. Should be in their prime still. Any of them still around?
F.Moriarty, A.Mallon, A.Kernan, C.McKeever
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 19, 2014, 10:35:01 PM
They were in the Ulster u21 final in 09, kyle Carragher was on that team. Decent u21 team this year, beaten by Donegal in the Ulster semi final by a couple of pts.it was a strong Donegal side, Armagh were missing Caolan Rafferty I recall ,probaly their best player
Armagh should have made more impact on the U21 from the AI winning minors. I think the one they missed might have been the year they were beaten by Donegal in the first round with J. Clarke injured. I think Donegal reached the AI final that year.
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Congrats Armagh, best team won. Best of luck for rest of championship. Can any of my fellow Rossies tell me how long John Evans' tenure is supposed to be?
Two years. He was offered three but wanted two and for him to be judged on how things were after that. Seems inconceivable that he won't sign up for another year and indeed I'd hope we'd get another two year term for Evans. He's proven himself an astute manager and stability is key to getting up to D2 standard for next spring.
What's he achieved thus far?
Jaysus you are the height of negativity. He has got promoted to Division 2 and ran Mayo to a point. Well worth continuing on.
Do you expect him to win Sam?
I suppose it depends on what your standards. You've a fair number of lads who've done well at u21 level and maybe its time for the 21 management to move up with them.
I don't see any discernable improvement Armagh are not AI contenders and they beat you comfortably at home. You should be doing much better then that after reaching 2 all ireland u21 finals in the last 4 years in my view.
Weren't you saying we shouldn't even bother with the effort at U21 this year and that it was all about senior? And now because we've made another U21 final we should be doing better at senior?
Do you not see the contradiction there Indiana?
No I think u21 should be kept in perspective- its not a guarantee and that senior football always supercedes u21. If I had my way players who play senior championship during their u21 period would be inelligible for u21 the following year.
But it does indicate you've a number of talented u21 players and in my view your senior management isn't getting the best from the resources at their disposal.
Armagh with precious little in return at u21 and minor recently are maximising their resources all be it playing an unattractive style of football.
Armagh won a minor AI in 2009. I know first-hand that their minor teams in 2010 and 2011 were very handy. For whatever reason they didn't do it at U21 but they have a pedigree of their own.
Happy with this season overall. Promoted with minimal fuss, the main objective of the year. Also got consistent performance throughout the year, even if we saved our worst half of football this year for today. Maybe you can't see it because you don't get to see enough of Roscommon's games but Darren O'Malley, Niall Carty, Neil Collins, Niall Daly, Cathal Shine, Kevin Higgins, Ronan Stack and even Donie Shine have shown noticeable improvements as players, none of whom were U21s this year or last. The likes of Diarmuid Murtagh, Enda Smith and Conor Daly have also proven to already be capable of performing at senior IC despite their youth. Much more positives than negatives this year.
No need to over-react to one game and I doubt we will.
Well I've seen the two championship games against Mayo and Armagh and no to be honest I can't see the improvement.
You were beaten by Tyrone at the same stage last year and were well beaten by Armagh today so if that's a graph line of improvement I'm struggling to see it. Really you'd have expected a bounce of winning Div 3.
Big year next year for you - shit or burst for the current management anyway.
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Congrats Armagh, best team won. Best of luck for rest of championship. Can any of my fellow Rossies tell me how long John Evans' tenure is supposed to be?
Two years. He was offered three but wanted two and for him to be judged on how things were after that. Seems inconceivable that he won't sign up for another year and indeed I'd hope we'd get another two year term for Evans. He's proven himself an astute manager and stability is key to getting up to D2 standard for next spring.
What's he achieved thus far?
Jaysus you are the height of negativity. He has got promoted to Division 2 and ran Mayo to a point. Well worth continuing on.
Do you expect him to win Sam?
I suppose it depends on what your standards. You've a fair number of lads who've done well at u21 level and maybe its time for the 21 management to move up with them.
I don't see any discernable improvement Armagh are not AI contenders and they beat you comfortably at home. You should be doing much better then that after reaching 2 all ireland u21 finals in the last 4 years in my view.
Weren't you saying we shouldn't even bother with the effort at U21 this year and that it was all about senior? And now because we've made another U21 final we should be doing better at senior?
Do you not see the contradiction there Indiana?
No I think u21 should be kept in perspective- its not a guarantee and that senior football always supercedes u21. If I had my way players who play senior championship during their u21 period would be inelligible for u21 the following year.
But it does indicate you've a number of talented u21 players and in my view your senior management isn't getting the best from the resources at their disposal.
Armagh with precious little in return at u21 and minor recently are maximising their resources all be it playing an unattractive style of football.
Armagh won a minor AI in 2009. I know first-hand that their minor teams in 2010 and 2011 were very handy. For whatever reason they didn't do it at U21 but they have a pedigree of their own.
Happy with this season overall. Promoted with minimal fuss, the main objective of the year. Also got consistent performance throughout the year, even if we saved our worst half of football this year for today. Maybe you can't see it because you don't get to see enough of Roscommon's games but Darren O'Malley, Niall Carty, Neil Collins, Niall Daly, Cathal Shine, Kevin Higgins, Ronan Stack and even Donie Shine have shown noticeable improvements as players, none of whom were U21s this year or last. The likes of Diarmuid Murtagh, Enda Smith and Conor Daly have also proven to already be capable of performing at senior IC despite their youth. Much more positives than negatives this year.
No need to over-react to one game and I doubt we will.
Well I've seen the two championship games against Mayo and Armagh and no to be honest I can't see the improvement.
You were beaten by Tyrone at the same stage last year and were well beaten by Armagh today so if that's a graph line of improvement I'm struggling to see it. Really you'd have expected a bounce of winning Div 3.
Big year next year for you - shit or burst for the current management anyway.
Every year is a big year.
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Congrats Armagh, best team won. Best of luck for rest of championship. Can any of my fellow Rossies tell me how long John Evans' tenure is supposed to be?
Two years. He was offered three but wanted two and for him to be judged on how things were after that. Seems inconceivable that he won't sign up for another year and indeed I'd hope we'd get another two year term for Evans. He's proven himself an astute manager and stability is key to getting up to D2 standard for next spring.
What's he achieved thus far?
Jaysus you are the height of negativity. He has got promoted to Division 2 and ran Mayo to a point. Well worth continuing on.
Do you expect him to win Sam?
I suppose it depends on what your standards. You've a fair number of lads who've done well at u21 level and maybe its time for the 21 management to move up with them.
I don't see any discernable improvement Armagh are not AI contenders and they beat you comfortably at home. You should be doing much better then that after reaching 2 all ireland u21 finals in the last 4 years in my view.
Weren't you saying we shouldn't even bother with the effort at U21 this year and that it was all about senior? And now because we've made another U21 final we should be doing better at senior?
Do you not see the contradiction there Indiana?
No I think u21 should be kept in perspective- its not a guarantee and that senior football always supercedes u21. If I had my way players who play senior championship during their u21 period would be inelligible for u21 the following year.
But it does indicate you've a number of talented u21 players and in my view your senior management isn't getting the best from the resources at their disposal.
Armagh with precious little in return at u21 and minor recently are maximising their resources all be it playing an unattractive style of football.
Armagh won a minor AI in 2009. I know first-hand that their minor teams in 2010 and 2011 were very handy. For whatever reason they didn't do it at U21 but they have a pedigree of their own.
Happy with this season overall. Promoted with minimal fuss, the main objective of the year. Also got consistent performance throughout the year, even if we saved our worst half of football this year for today. Maybe you can't see it because you don't get to see enough of Roscommon's games but Darren O'Malley, Niall Carty, Neil Collins, Niall Daly, Cathal Shine, Kevin Higgins, Ronan Stack and even Donie Shine have shown noticeable improvements as players, none of whom were U21s this year or last. The likes of Diarmuid Murtagh, Enda Smith and Conor Daly have also proven to already be capable of performing at senior IC despite their youth. Much more positives than negatives this year.
No need to over-react to one game and I doubt we will.
Well I've seen the two championship games against Mayo and Armagh and no to be honest I can't see the improvement.
You were beaten by Tyrone at the same stage last year and were well beaten by Armagh today so if that's a graph line of improvement I'm struggling to see it. Really you'd have expected a bounce of winning Div 3.
Big year next year for you - shit or burst for the current management anyway.
Every year is a big year.
well when you're in year 4 after 3 underwhelming years of championship performances some years are bigger then others!
You wouldn't get 4 years in most counties
Armagh are one of the fittest teams I have seen for a long time, who is their trainer?
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Congrats Armagh, best team won. Best of luck for rest of championship. Can any of my fellow Rossies tell me how long John Evans' tenure is supposed to be?
Two years. He was offered three but wanted two and for him to be judged on how things were after that. Seems inconceivable that he won't sign up for another year and indeed I'd hope we'd get another two year term for Evans. He's proven himself an astute manager and stability is key to getting up to D2 standard for next spring.
What's he achieved thus far?
Jaysus you are the height of negativity. He has got promoted to Division 2 and ran Mayo to a point. Well worth continuing on.
Do you expect him to win Sam?
I suppose it depends on what your standards. You've a fair number of lads who've done well at u21 level and maybe its time for the 21 management to move up with them.
I don't see any discernable improvement Armagh are not AI contenders and they beat you comfortably at home. You should be doing much better then that after reaching 2 all ireland u21 finals in the last 4 years in my view.
Weren't you saying we shouldn't even bother with the effort at U21 this year and that it was all about senior? And now because we've made another U21 final we should be doing better at senior?
Do you not see the contradiction there Indiana?
No I think u21 should be kept in perspective- its not a guarantee and that senior football always supercedes u21. If I had my way players who play senior championship during their u21 period would be inelligible for u21 the following year.
But it does indicate you've a number of talented u21 players and in my view your senior management isn't getting the best from the resources at their disposal.
Armagh with precious little in return at u21 and minor recently are maximising their resources all be it playing an unattractive style of football.
Armagh won a minor AI in 2009. I know first-hand that their minor teams in 2010 and 2011 were very handy. For whatever reason they didn't do it at U21 but they have a pedigree of their own.
Happy with this season overall. Promoted with minimal fuss, the main objective of the year. Also got consistent performance throughout the year, even if we saved our worst half of football this year for today. Maybe you can't see it because you don't get to see enough of Roscommon's games but Darren O'Malley, Niall Carty, Neil Collins, Niall Daly, Cathal Shine, Kevin Higgins, Ronan Stack and even Donie Shine have shown noticeable improvements as players, none of whom were U21s this year or last. The likes of Diarmuid Murtagh, Enda Smith and Conor Daly have also proven to already be capable of performing at senior IC despite their youth. Much more positives than negatives this year.
No need to over-react to one game and I doubt we will.
Well I've seen the two championship games against Mayo and Armagh and no to be honest I can't see the improvement.
You were beaten by Tyrone at the same stage last year and were well beaten by Armagh today so if that's a graph line of improvement I'm struggling to see it. Really you'd have expected a bounce of winning Div 3.
Big year next year for you - shit or burst for the current management anyway.
Every year is a big year.
well when you're in year 4 after 3 underwhelming years of championship performances some years are bigger then others!
You wouldn't get 4 years in most counties
Johneen will only be entering Year 3 if he decides to agree to another year. Des Newton managed us to glory in 2012.
Quote from: Carbery on July 19, 2014, 11:02:48 PM
Armagh are one of the fittest teams I have seen for a long time, who is their trainer?
McGeeney brought the trainers he had at Kildare with him I think. Their name escapes me at the moment
Julie Davis. She was with Cavan before Kildare, along with Grimley.
Welldone Armagh, best team by far.
Rossies are a mess, i fell for the spring in their step of late and actually went for them to win today. I was very wrong, ideas way above their
station , average bunch with a couple of tasty forwards who would do well in a better side but they will just fade into the background like donnie shine has.
Great display all round from Armagh to convert a tricky tie into a routine win,the only downside was the carelessly sloppy goal conceded at the end
Syferus, tell us more about how great Cregger is? He really went toe to toe with Clarke today to show who is the most talented!!!!!!!
Anyways at least you don't have to pretend to be a closet mayo fan anymore, get on the green and red for the rest of the summer and start babbling on about how great andy and co are!
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Syferus, tell us more about how great Cregger is? He really went toe to toe with Clarke today to show who is the most talented!!!!!!!
Anyways at least you don't have to pretend to be a closet mayo fan anymore, get on the green and red for the rest of the summer and start babbling on about how great andy and co are!
Row in the camp is there!?
No need to drag Mayo into this particular mess. We ll probably have our own to mop up soon enough.
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Armagh are one of the fittest teams I have seen for a long time, who is their trainer?
McGeeney brought the trainers he had at Kildare with him I think. Their name escapes me at the moment
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 19, 2014, 11:30:40 PM
Julie Davis. She was with Cavan before Kildare, along with Grimley.
Julie Davis is the S&C coach and James Doyle is the Speed coach
It seems that the poster PUT UP THAT FLAG exists only to criticise Roscommon. If you look at the few posts they have posted, most or all are highly critical of Ros. But my opinion is, that PUT UP THAT FLAG is really one of the Mayo posters operating under a second identity, and i think i know who it is.
Great win in hyde park, I really was afraid of this 1, but guys played well esp in the poor conditions.
We were solid enough at the back although they did get in for a few easy points, that could hurt us if we play against a top team.
I was worried about having vernon at FB this year but has been 1 of our best players. Andy is having a great season. Shiels is having some season bearing in mind hes keepin Aaron out. I
Special mention should go to the 2 young lads in midfield, they have been superb and played beyond their years. And remember toner and ethan have still to come back. I have watched the game again and they were penalised a few times in the 2nd when competing kickouts and there clearly was no free, but they kept going, showing great maturity!
Dyas has been a revelation, and I love to see kyle playing, although I just wish he was taller :-)
Hopefully we'll get to Croker and the boys give a good account of themselves as itll help no end in their development (mind you so would going the whole way, steady, lol).
On Roscommon, I wouldn't be too hard in your lads, you have some great talented young players, give them time. Someone has to be sitting waiting when mayo go into decline when their older men retire and why not you? Keep the faith. And thanks for welcome yesterday, it makes a change to the cr@p we have to listen to on our travels to away games (ie omagh Lol)
'On Roscommon, I wouldn't be too hard in your lads, you have some great talented young players, give them time. Someone has to be sitting waiting when mayo go into decline when their older men retire and why not you? Keep the faith. And thanks for welcome yesterday, it makes a change to the cr@p we have to listen to on our travels to away games (ie omagh Lol)'
Why are people so hell bent on predicting Mayo are just going to move aside and make way for Ross?
We have just won the minor all Ireland and have another minor team this year who look like they wont be far away either and have several players at 24/25 who have no intentions of throwing in the towel for a while yet and lets not forget the 22 year old buck by the name of Cillian , best footballer in Ireland imo, yes there ya go ,i said it, best footballer in Ireland .
Quote from: larryin89 on July 20, 2014, 09:26:48 AM
'On Roscommon, I wouldn't be too hard in your lads, you have some great talented young players, give them time. Someone has to be sitting waiting when mayo go into decline when their older men retire and why not you? Keep the faith. And thanks for welcome yesterday, it makes a change to the cr@p we have to listen to on our travels to away games (ie omagh Lol)'
Why are people so hell bent on predicting Mayo are just going to move aside and make way for Ross?
We have just won the minor all Ireland and have another minor team this year who look like they wont be far away either and have several players at 24/25 who have no intentions of throwing in the towel for a while yet and lets not forget the 22 year old buck by the name of Cillian , best footballer in Ireland imo, yes there ya go ,i said it, best footballer in Ireland .
You have wrote some dross on here Larry but that beats all.
Get a strong coffee, a fry and you will be sober by time the football comes on..
Is it really that far fetched to make such a suggestion ? Gooch is not around, Cillian is certainly up there with the best of them including the likes of brogan and o Donoghue.
I was lucky enough to be in Cork last year at the league game, the two sideline kicks one from the left and the other the right from about 35-40 yds out were just incredible and showed he is going to be a serious footballer, his physique is perfect, he shows great maturity and has some amount of experience for a man of 22, he is comfortable on the ball , a very good free kick taker. Very little faults, my only concern is his injuries he has had.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 20, 2014, 11:45:37 AM
Is it really that far fetched to make such a suggestion ? Gooch is not around, Cillian is certainly up there with the best of them including the likes of brogan and o Donoghue.
I was lucky enough to be in Cork last year at the league game, the two sideline kicks one from the left and the other the right from about 35-40 yds out were just incredible and showed he is going to be a serious footballer, his physique is perfect, he shows great maturity and has some amount of experience for a man of 22, he is comfortable on the ball , a very good free kick taker. Very little faults, my only concern is his injuries he has had.
Could do more with his hair though.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 20, 2014, 11:45:37 AM
Is it really that far fetched to make such a suggestion ? Gooch is not around, Cillian is certainly up there with the best of them including the likes of brogan and o Donoghue.
Mayo would have won one of the last two All Ireland finals if he was at the level of those three forwards did O Connor even score from play in those finals?
Last years final the man was at about 65% with his shoulder injury. He will be better than the two mentioned in time , i predict he will be poty this year and Mayo wil win Sam Maguire.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 20, 2014, 12:06:50 PM
Last years final the man was at about 65% with his shoulder injury. He will be better than the two mentioned in time , i predict he will be poty this year and Mayo wil win Sam Maguire.
a young lad like him getting so many injuries should be a cause for concern. How fit was Brogan in last years final? He hasn't started many games for Dublin since. Mayo will have to improve if they want to reach another All Ireland final as their form in games against Roscommon one point win and almost conceding 3-20 to Galway is not the form you were in last year.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 20, 2014, 12:06:50 PM
Last years final the man was at about 65% with his shoulder injury. He will be better than the two mentioned in time , i predict he will be poty this year and Mayo wil win Sam Maguire.
He wouldn't be a guaranteed starter in the Dublin team
Quote from: INDIANA on July 20, 2014, 12:58:03 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 20, 2014, 12:06:50 PM
Last years final the man was at about 65% with his shoulder injury. He will be better than the two mentioned in time , i predict he will be poty this year and Mayo wil win Sam Maguire.
He wouldn't be a guaranteed starter in the Dublin team
He isn't from Dublin so he doesn't need to worry about getting a start.
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 20, 2014, 01:01:22 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 20, 2014, 12:58:03 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 20, 2014, 12:06:50 PM
Last years final the man was at about 65% with his shoulder injury. He will be better than the two mentioned in time , i predict he will be poty this year and Mayo wil win Sam Maguire.
He wouldn't be a guaranteed starter in the Dublin team
He isn't from Dublin so he doesn't need to worry about getting a start.
He made a statement above that he was the best young player in the country.
He's not.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 20, 2014, 01:19:29 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 20, 2014, 01:01:22 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 20, 2014, 12:58:03 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 20, 2014, 12:06:50 PM
Last years final the man was at about 65% with his shoulder injury. He will be better than the two mentioned in time , i predict he will be poty this year and Mayo wil win Sam Maguire.
He wouldn't be a guaranteed starter in the Dublin team
He isn't from Dublin so he doesn't need to worry about getting a start.
He made a statement above that he was the best young player in the country.
He's not.
Of course not. Diarmuid Murtagh is.
What age do you stop being classed as a young player? 23?
Quote from: INDIANA on July 20, 2014, 01:19:29 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 20, 2014, 01:01:22 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 20, 2014, 12:58:03 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 20, 2014, 12:06:50 PM
Last years final the man was at about 65% with his shoulder injury. He will be better than the two mentioned in time , i predict he will be poty this year and Mayo wil win Sam Maguire.
He wouldn't be a guaranteed starter in the Dublin team
He isn't from Dublin so he doesn't need to worry about getting a start.
He made a statement above that he was the best young player in the country.
He's not.
In your opinion.
Jeez Larry, a few weeks ago you were predicting the Rossies would beat us and we would face an early exit in the qualifiers and now you are saying we are going to win the all ireland.Cillian o Connor is a good forward but as of right now he is no where near the level of Brogan, O Donogue or Cooper.For me Mclaughlin is Mayos best forward and also there most important as when he is in form he makes the whole team tick.Of course himself and O Connor are different players and I do think if OConnor can stay injury free he can be up there with the elite.
Quote from: maigheo on July 20, 2014, 01:56:43 PM
Jeez Larry, a few weeks ago you were predicting the Rossies would beat us and we would face an early exit in the qualifiers and now you are saying we are going to win the all ireland.Cillian o Connor is a good forward but as of right now he is no where near the level of Brogan, O Donogue or Cooper.For me Mclaughlin is Mayos best forward and also there most important as when he is in form he makes the whole team tick.Of course himself and O Connor are different players and I do think if OConnor can stay injury free he can be up there with the elite.
Dont worry about what i say to the rossies, its just a bit of craic. And anyway i wasnt too far wrong on that particular match if the truth be told.
Nowhere near the level of brogan or o donogue ? I beg to differ , his performance against Galway was first class. Kevin Mac is vital to Mayo and how far we go , id agree with you there but he is not in the forward mold of cillian a different type of performer albeit a very important one.
I just have this feeling Cillian is going to have a massive year .Checking odds on poty now.
Meath aren't looking to hot at the moment. Armagh have a great chance to make it to the quarters.
Waited 24 hours so as not to make any intemperate heat of the moment remarks.
The best team on the day won and were wll drilled and organised.
We were well beaten in every facet of the game yesterday. Yet with accurate shooting could have won the damn thing.
We set up a blanket of space marking defenders who in the main just stood there as Armagh kicked good ball in to their FF line who were nearly always 10 yeards ahead of their men going for the ball.
We had one 19 year old playing as a forward who was well marked and marshalled.
We weren't able for Armagh's strength and physicality, kept taking the ball into tackles and losing it. When you're a lighter team you have to let the ball go quickly to players who are breaking/running off the shoulder etc to make sure the ball holder has a few options.
A number of our lads didn't over exert themselves on occasions for the "dirty ball" which is disappointing.
Cregg and Senan Kilbride are not able to cope with good defenders and have no future if we're to become a top 12 team. Ian Kilbride is NOT a County player.( Face facts Syfín)
While being defensive may be ok on occasions we just have to now go with playing to our strengths - quick direct ball into forwards (not one forward) and only go tracking back when the other side wins the ball in their defence/midfield.
Decent enough season, some progress made but a lot to be done if we are ever to become a top 12 side.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 20, 2014, 08:30:13 PM
Decent enough season, some progress made but a lot to be done if we are ever to become a top 12 side.
Are there 12 sides better than Roscommon? Dublin, Kerry, Cork, Monaghan, Donegal definitely. Tyrone, Derry, Armagh, Kildare, Meath maybe. Other Div 2 type sides Down, Westmeath, Galway are about the same and you are better than Cavan.
Hmmmmm.....
We wouldn't bate Donegal, Tyrone, Armagh, Monaghan, Dublin, Mayo, Cork and Kerry.
We'd bate all of D3 and 4 plus Cavan although Tipp and Clare might beg to differ this Summer.
That leaves Derry, Down, Galway, Laois, Kildare , Meath, Westmeath.
We need a more positive gameplan against all outside the top 8 though.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 20, 2014, 09:29:15 PM
Hmmmmm.....
We wouldn't bate Donegal, Tyrone, Armagh, Monaghan, Dublin, Mayo, Cork and Kerry.
We'd bate all of D3 and 4 plus Cavan although Tipp and Clare might beg to differ this Summer.
That leaves Derry, Down, Galway, Laois, Kildare , Meath, Westmeath.
We need a more positive gameplan against all outside the top 8 though.
It didn't help that all our championship matches his year were wet affairs, be it wet pitches or rain during the game. I think our young lads would benefit from drier conditions because it would mean a swinging arm from a defender won't release the ball as easily. Their pace could have more of an impact on the game.
So much slipping and sliding yesterday. I won't miss the Hyde's pitch.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 20, 2014, 12:58:03 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 20, 2014, 12:06:50 PM
Last years final the man was at about 65% with his shoulder injury. He will be better than the two mentioned in time , i predict he will be poty this year and Mayo wil win Sam Maguire.
He wouldn't be a guaranteed starter in the Dublin team
This is where Paddy Power puts him!
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/gaa-sports/gaa-football/all-star-awards?ev_oc_grp_ids=18884 (http://www.paddypower.com/bet/gaa-sports/gaa-football/all-star-awards?ev_oc_grp_ids=18884)
Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2014, 09:34:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 20, 2014, 09:29:15 PM
Hmmmmm.....
We wouldn't bate Donegal, Tyrone, Armagh, Monaghan, Dublin, Mayo, Cork and Kerry.
We'd bate all of D3 and 4 plus Cavan although Tipp and Clare might beg to differ this Summer.
That leaves Derry, Down, Galway, Laois, Kildare , Meath, Westmeath.
We need a more positive gameplan against all outside the top 8 though.
It didn't help that all our championship matches his year were wet affairs, be it wet pitches or rain during the game. I think our young lads would benefit from drier conditions because it would mean a swinging arm from a defender won't release the ball as easily. Their pace could have more of an impact on the game.
So much slipping and sliding yesterday. I won't miss the Hyde's pitch.
Ah ffs Syferus, good players play well on dry or wet sod! Thankfully it was dry for Armagh
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 20, 2014, 10:19:42 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2014, 09:34:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 20, 2014, 09:29:15 PM
Hmmmmm.....
We wouldn't bate Donegal, Tyrone, Armagh, Monaghan, Dublin, Mayo, Cork and Kerry.
We'd bate all of D3 and 4 plus Cavan although Tipp and Clare might beg to differ this Summer.
That leaves Derry, Down, Galway, Laois, Kildare , Meath, Westmeath.
We need a more positive gameplan against all outside the top 8 though.
It didn't help that all our championship matches his year were wet affairs, be it wet pitches or rain during the game. I think our young lads would benefit from drier conditions because it would mean a swinging arm from a defender won't release the ball as easily. Their pace could have more of an impact on the game.
So much slipping and sliding yesterday. I won't miss the Hyde's pitch.
Ah ffs Syferus, good players play well on dry or wet sod! Thankfully it was dry for Armagh
Armagh would have won in any conditions yesterday.
Been drenched three times this year in the championship, the other day I was in the stand. I'd just like a game of football where the ball isn't greasy as our bus's axel for a change.
The Hyde in particular seems to get absolutely quare weather. On the way home (10 mins away at most) it was dry as a bone, not a bit of rain all while it was pissing at the Hyde. The pitch is comically bad at this stage, club football on it is like watching a slow motion replay if it's rained at all.
Roscommon were undone by bad turnovers. In contrast. Armagh rarely gave the ball away and got themselves a lot of scores by breaking quickly off the many balls coughed up by Roscommon.
Watching the highlights, where was Ger Canning sitting "of course 90% of the support here is from Roscommon"? A lot of people seemed pleased at the end, Rossies are very generous.
Would Armagh winning possession be called "Apple Turnovers?"
Quote from: Chimley on July 20, 2014, 10:27:11 PM
Roscommon were undone by bad turnovers. In contrast. Armagh rarely gave the ball away and got themselves a lot of scores by breaking quickly off the many balls coughed up by Roscommon.
Superior physical strength and intense tackling by the Armaghs.
Looking at the Sunday game we had some awful poor defending at times.
Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2014, 09:34:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 20, 2014, 09:29:15 PM
Hmmmmm.....
We wouldn't bate Donegal, Tyrone, Armagh, Monaghan, Dublin, Mayo, Cork and Kerry.
We'd bate all of D3 and 4 plus Cavan although Tipp and Clare might beg to differ this Summer.
That leaves Derry, Down, Galway, Laois, Kildare , Meath, Westmeath.
We need a more positive gameplan against all outside the top 8 though.
It didn't help that all our championship matches his year were wet affairs, be it wet pitches or rain during the game. I think our young lads would benefit from drier conditions because it would mean a swinging arm from a defender won't release the ball as easily. Their pace could have more of an impact on the game.
So much slipping and sliding yesterday. I won't miss the Hyde's pitch.
In those conditions the Hyde should have been to Roscommon s advantage. Home pitch and all but ye handled the conditions very poorly.
As chimley has already pointed out it was all those bad turnovers that done ye. I was critical of the Mayo turnovers v Galway too. Likes of Donegal have reduced turnovers to a minimum and if one occurs there is a 'battle stations' effort to get back and limit damage. Mayo did too many turnovers but were superior enough to get away with it against Galway, but Ros were way too casual v Armagh. No urgency when errors were made - which was basically all the time. I m sure by now Sy. you have done a stats on the recording and have the numbers. Like the number of scores that came from Ros losing the ball and a score as a result. If you have it won t be pretty reading.
This should have been targeted by Ros as another step forward. It was a winnable tie. I couldn t believe how flaky Ros approach was. The performance v Mayo was very decent as regards tactics, effort etc. Why not develop on that?
Some Ros players are rated highly as a result of club and underage reputation. Senan Kilbride plays like a lad that wouldn t harm a fly. And I suspect he hates running in training too. Technically very good and would destroy you in March but always looks a bit one paced and casual in Summer. Whoever thought Cregg was best suited to playing ff should feck off for himself. Cregg had a great game v Mayo as a spoiler/watercarrier. That s what he can do well. He would be brilliant in the Donegal system.
I also think Joneen might be a bit of a poor man's yearrah. Reminds me a bit of Johnno when he s interviewed. If you come accross as a cute hoor giving nothing away, the public often assume that there s a brilliant tactician lurking inside Micko style keeping his cards close to his chest and giving off the ould guff. But I suspect in Joneen's case, like Johnno, what ye get on the surface is all there is.
Has Evans another year with Ros?
Quote from: moysider on July 21, 2014, 12:08:30 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2014, 09:34:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 20, 2014, 09:29:15 PM
Hmmmmm.....
We wouldn't bate Donegal, Tyrone, Armagh, Monaghan, Dublin, Mayo, Cork and Kerry.
We'd bate all of D3 and 4 plus Cavan although Tipp and Clare might beg to differ this Summer.
That leaves Derry, Down, Galway, Laois, Kildare , Meath, Westmeath.
We need a more positive gameplan against all outside the top 8 though.
It didn't help that all our championship matches his year were wet affairs, be it wet pitches or rain during the game. I think our young lads would benefit from drier conditions because it would mean a swinging arm from a defender won't release the ball as easily. Their pace could have more of an impact on the game.
So much slipping and sliding yesterday. I won't miss the Hyde's pitch.
In those conditions the Hyde should have been to Roscommon s advantage. Home pitch and all but ye handled the conditions very poorly.
As chimley has already pointed out it was all those bad turnovers that done ye. I was critical of the Mayo turnovers v Galway too. Likes of Donegal have reduced turnovers to a minimum and if one occurs there is a 'battle stations' effort to get back and limit damage. Mayo did too many turnovers but were superior enough to get away with it against Galway, but Ros were way too casual v Armagh. No urgency when errors were made - which was basically all the time. I m sure by now Sy. you have done a stats on the recording and have the numbers. Like the number of scores that came from Ros losing the ball and a score as a result. If you have it won t be pretty reading.
This should have been targeted by Ros as another step forward. It was a winnable tie. I couldn t believe how flaky Ros approach was. The performance v Mayo was very decent as regards tactics, effort etc. Why not develop on that?
Some Ros players are rated highly as a result of club and underage reputation. Senan Kilbride plays like a lad that wouldn t harm a fly. And I suspect he hates running in training too. Technically very good and would destroy you in March but always looks a bit one paced and casual in Summer. Whoever thought Cregg was best suited to playing ff should feck off for himself. Cregg had a great game v Mayo as a spoiler/watercarrier. That s what he can do well. He would be brilliant in the Donegal system.
I also think Joneen might be a bit of a poor man's yearrah. Reminds me a bit of Johnno when he s interviewed. If you come accross as a cute hoor giving nothing away, the public often assume that there s a brilliant tactician lurking inside Micko style keeping his cards close to his chest and giving off the ould guff. But I suspect in Joneen's case, like Johnno, what ye get on the surface is all there is.
Cregg has never played FF with 14 on his back. Ok, he did against Sligo in a glorified challenge match when promotion was won in the league but he's nearly always played a free role. I suppose I'm so used to seeing 14 behind the HBs at this stage I forget how strange it can look to someone that isn't watching it match in match out. You'll see him in his FB line as much as the FF line. He's always been at his best rooting out balls around the middle and breaking from deep.
Evans has done a world of good for the panel. Conditioning has drastically improved over the last 18 months and tactically he's got it right, mostly. We've played everything from 4-5 forwards at all times to one depending on the match. The idea we mindless play blanket defence is pretty far from the truth too. I suppose we've become quite adaptable the past two seasons but it's a case of being good at a few styles without excelling at any. Hopefully that will come with time.
We know what a bad manager looks like, and trust me, John Evans is a world apart from what we've been used to, Fergal aside, for the better part of two decades. I'd go as far as to say he might even be the best manager we've had in my lifetime, certainly since the early nineties only Fergal would compare and he was handed a steaming mess by the Tanned One. Not exalted competition by any means but it makes for a very refreshing change from the absolute ineptitude that we had become used to. Evans has got the team training hard and with nearly zero drama or nonsense, that's exactly what this panel needs right now.
I wondered about Evans at first but I was won over. He's much more than simply a blowhard.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 21, 2014, 12:21:37 AM
Has Evans another year with Ros?
Two year contract is finished now. Full expect he'll be back for a third year.
Quote from: Syferus on July 21, 2014, 12:27:14 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 21, 2014, 12:08:30 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2014, 09:34:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 20, 2014, 09:29:15 PM
Hmmmmm.....
We wouldn't bate Donegal, Tyrone, Armagh, Monaghan, Dublin, Mayo, Cork and Kerry.
We'd bate all of D3 and 4 plus Cavan although Tipp and Clare might beg to differ this Summer.
That leaves Derry, Down, Galway, Laois, Kildare , Meath, Westmeath.
We need a more positive gameplan against all outside the top 8 though.
It didn't help that all our championship matches his year were wet affairs, be it wet pitches or rain during the game. I think our young lads would benefit from drier conditions because it would mean a swinging arm from a defender won't release the ball as easily. Their pace could have more of an impact on the game.
So much slipping and sliding yesterday. I won't miss the Hyde's pitch.
In those conditions the Hyde should have been to Roscommon s advantage. Home pitch and all but ye handled the conditions very poorly.
As chimley has already pointed out it was all those bad turnovers that done ye. I was critical of the Mayo turnovers v Galway too. Likes of Donegal have reduced turnovers to a minimum and if one occurs there is a 'battle stations' effort to get back and limit damage. Mayo did too many turnovers but were superior enough to get away with it against Galway, but Ros were way too casual v Armagh. No urgency when errors were made - which was basically all the time. I m sure by now Sy. you have done a stats on the recording and have the numbers. Like the number of scores that came from Ros losing the ball and a score as a result. If you have it won t be pretty reading.
This should have been targeted by Ros as another step forward. It was a winnable tie. I couldn t believe how flaky Ros approach was. The performance v Mayo was very decent as regards tactics, effort etc. Why not develop on that?
Some Ros players are rated highly as a result of club and underage reputation. Senan Kilbride plays like a lad that wouldn t harm a fly. And I suspect he hates running in training too. Technically very good and would destroy you in March but always looks a bit one paced and casual in Summer. Whoever thought Cregg was best suited to playing ff should feck off for himself. Cregg had a great game v Mayo as a spoiler/watercarrier. That s what he can do well. He would be brilliant in the Donegal system.
I also think Joneen might be a bit of a poor man's yearrah. Reminds me a bit of Johnno when he s interviewed. If you come accross as a cute hoor giving nothing away, the public often assume that there s a brilliant tactician lurking inside Micko style keeping his cards close to his chest and giving off the ould guff. But I suspect in Joneen's case, like Johnno, what ye get on the surface is all there is.
Cregg has never played FF with 14 on his back. Ok, he did against Sligo in a glorified challenge match when promotion was won in the league but he's nearly always played a free role. I suppose I'm so used to seeing 14 behind the HBs at this stage I forget how strange it can look to someone that isn't watching it match in match out. You'll see him in his FB line as much as the FF line. He's always been at his best rooting out balls around the middle and breaking from deep.
Evans has done a world of good for the panel. Conditioning has drastically improved over the last 18 months and tactically he's got it right, mostly. We've played everything from 4-5 forwards at all times to one depending on the match. The idea we mindless play blanket defence is pretty far from the truth too. I suppose we've become quite adaptable the past two seasons but it's a case of being good at a few styles without excelling at any. Hopefully that will come with time.
We know what a bad manager looks like, and trust me, John Evans is a world apart from what we've been used to, Fergal aside, for the better part of two decades. I'd go as far as to say he might even be the best manager we've had in my lifetime, certainly since the early nineties only Fergal would compare and he was handed a steaming mess by the Tanned One. Not exalted competition by any means but it makes for a very refreshing change from the absolute ineptitude that we had become used to. Evans has got the team training hard and with nearly zero drama or nonsense, that's exactly what this panel needs right now.
I wondered about Evans at first but I was won over. He's much more than simply a blowhard.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 21, 2014, 12:21:37 AM
Has Evans another year with Ros?
Two year contract is finished now. Full expect he'll be back for a third year.
Did not Cregg play inside v Armagh. I was watching the telly and it appeared that he was high up. I know what he did v Mayo and he did it well. Senan was out deep at times and gave away a ball early enough in the game that would have convinced the Armagh lads that these lads are here for the taking. That vibe was given off by Ros early and often.
Forget about the conditioning Sy. That s not Evans department anyway.
Why so defensive anyway Sy? I m not digging at Ros - I ve been more critical of my own down the years and I ve been right ;). And I ll be right again later this year unfortunately :'(
The old saying that ' you re only as good as your last game' is hard to argue with. Roscommon should not have been turned over so easy Sy.
Quote from: moysider on July 21, 2014, 01:22:44 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 21, 2014, 12:27:14 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 21, 2014, 12:08:30 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2014, 09:34:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 20, 2014, 09:29:15 PM
Hmmmmm.....
We wouldn't bate Donegal, Tyrone, Armagh, Monaghan, Dublin, Mayo, Cork and Kerry.
We'd bate all of D3 and 4 plus Cavan although Tipp and Clare might beg to differ this Summer.
That leaves Derry, Down, Galway, Laois, Kildare , Meath, Westmeath.
We need a more positive gameplan against all outside the top 8 though.
It didn't help that all our championship matches his year were wet affairs, be it wet pitches or rain during the game. I think our young lads would benefit from drier conditions because it would mean a swinging arm from a defender won't release the ball as easily. Their pace could have more of an impact on the game.
So much slipping and sliding yesterday. I won't miss the Hyde's pitch.
In those conditions the Hyde should have been to Roscommon s advantage. Home pitch and all but ye handled the conditions very poorly.
As chimley has already pointed out it was all those bad turnovers that done ye. I was critical of the Mayo turnovers v Galway too. Likes of Donegal have reduced turnovers to a minimum and if one occurs there is a 'battle stations' effort to get back and limit damage. Mayo did too many turnovers but were superior enough to get away with it against Galway, but Ros were way too casual v Armagh. No urgency when errors were made - which was basically all the time. I m sure by now Sy. you have done a stats on the recording and have the numbers. Like the number of scores that came from Ros losing the ball and a score as a result. If you have it won t be pretty reading.
This should have been targeted by Ros as another step forward. It was a winnable tie. I couldn t believe how flaky Ros approach was. The performance v Mayo was very decent as regards tactics, effort etc. Why not develop on that?
Some Ros players are rated highly as a result of club and underage reputation. Senan Kilbride plays like a lad that wouldn t harm a fly. And I suspect he hates running in training too. Technically very good and would destroy you in March but always looks a bit one paced and casual in Summer. Whoever thought Cregg was best suited to playing ff should feck off for himself. Cregg had a great game v Mayo as a spoiler/watercarrier. That s what he can do well. He would be brilliant in the Donegal system.
I also think Joneen might be a bit of a poor man's yearrah. Reminds me a bit of Johnno when he s interviewed. If you come accross as a cute hoor giving nothing away, the public often assume that there s a brilliant tactician lurking inside Micko style keeping his cards close to his chest and giving off the ould guff. But I suspect in Joneen's case, like Johnno, what ye get on the surface is all there is.
Cregg has never played FF with 14 on his back. Ok, he did against Sligo in a glorified challenge match when promotion was won in the league but he's nearly always played a free role. I suppose I'm so used to seeing 14 behind the HBs at this stage I forget how strange it can look to someone that isn't watching it match in match out. You'll see him in his FB line as much as the FF line. He's always been at his best rooting out balls around the middle and breaking from deep.
Evans has done a world of good for the panel. Conditioning has drastically improved over the last 18 months and tactically he's got it right, mostly. We've played everything from 4-5 forwards at all times to one depending on the match. The idea we mindless play blanket defence is pretty far from the truth too. I suppose we've become quite adaptable the past two seasons but it's a case of being good at a few styles without excelling at any. Hopefully that will come with time.
We know what a bad manager looks like, and trust me, John Evans is a world apart from what we've been used to, Fergal aside, for the better part of two decades. I'd go as far as to say he might even be the best manager we've had in my lifetime, certainly since the early nineties only Fergal would compare and he was handed a steaming mess by the Tanned One. Not exalted competition by any means but it makes for a very refreshing change from the absolute ineptitude that we had become used to. Evans has got the team training hard and with nearly zero drama or nonsense, that's exactly what this panel needs right now.
I wondered about Evans at first but I was won over. He's much more than simply a blowhard.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 21, 2014, 12:21:37 AM
Has Evans another year with Ros?
Two year contract is finished now. Full expect he'll be back for a third year.
Did not Cregg play inside v Armagh. I was watching the telly and it appeared that he was high up. I know what he did v Mayo and he did it well. Senan was out deep at times and gave away a ball early enough in the game that would have convinced the Armagh lads that these lads are here for the taking. That vibe was given off by Ros early and often.
Forget about the conditioning Sy. That s not Evans department anyway.
Why so defensive anyway Sy? I m not digging at Ros - I ve been more critical of my own down the years and I ve been right ;). And I ll be right again later this year unfortunately :'(
The old saying that ' you re only as good as your last game' is hard to argue with. Roscommon should not have been turned over so easy Sy.
Cregg was rarely up in the FF line on Saturday. I can't remember a single time where he was sitting in a traditional FF position when a ball came in, he was usually the linkman coming around the middle. Most of the time it was Diarmuid (15) and Senan (13) that were there. Senan has become a sort of work donkey the past few games so at times Murtagh was the only one inside. Certainly Cregg was the deepest of the three.
To be honest I listened back to Dara O'Se and the match on Sky and it was comically critical at times. We made a slow start but we rallied in the second half and but for some woeful shooting we'd have been level before 45 minutes had elapsed. More than tactics or any of the high-level tactical mumbo-tumbo O'Se was coming out with it was handling errors that were killing us.
Dara was complaining about us not kicking the ball to take the top off Armagh's defence but in reality we did so and accurately on numerous occasions only for the ball to come flying off the man who had beat the defender to the ball. It wasn't even Armagh's physicality most of the time. The same thing was happening in the middle, we'd lord the air and Shine or Higgins would make a lovely controlled break to a Roscommon player and the ball would squirt away from them like a cow's placenta. Hand-passes that slipped from our hands as we tried to pass the ball was also a big feature. All that did was give Armagh time to set their defence whereas controlling the ball first time would have opened up plenty of extra opportunities.
O'Se came out with the maddest shite of all near the end "Roscommon need a goal and they don't look like getting one", this after a spell where Higgins hit a vicious drop-kick that would have been in the back of the net if it was hit anywhere but at the keeper and Stack got a fist to a lob into the box from Collins. It felt like O'Se and company were writing a script about how awesome Armagh were and how shite Roscommon were and a snag as unimportant as reality wasn't going to derail them from that story.
At the back we had a few truly terrible plays - Mallon's point in the first half, the goal - and we clearly were second best but I thought we put ourselves into a decent position mid-way into the second half despite such a poor first half. We didn't finish the job but whatever. That doesn't matter now. The key is to learn the lessons because Armagh are about the level of team we can expect in D2 in the spring and we can't be making the same mistakes if we're to stay up.
A lot of good points there Syfín ( must lie down for a while :o ;D) and Moy.
Were some of our lads more worried about getting rattles and watching where it might come from rather than keeping eyes on the ball?
The goal we gave away was comic opera defending at its worst as 2 defenders seemed to stand somewhere looking up in the sky at the ball while the Armagh forward was moving to where the ball landed. Then having a small goalie doesn't help. Can you imagine Cake or Claffey being beaten to a high lob like that?
Looking back with that great friend hindsight - should we not have gone more positive after 15/20 minutes when it was obvious the 1 man forward thingy and space marking defenders wasn't working?
When we had more of a cut at it in the second half we lost 1-8 to 1-9 and had some costly silly wides at times. It was certainly better to watch than the 1st half and a more suitable way to play.
Hopefully lessons will be absorbed , more young lads to join the panel, lads not up to it thanked for their efforts and let go back to normal life, survive in D2 while getting used to playing teams at that level and take it from there.
Thanks to the management and players for our first decent year since 2010( which was a stolen flash in the pan) snd for leaving us in the best place we've been since 2003.
I have to agree about O'Sé on this occasion. He was contrasting the way Roscommon and Armagh attacked and wondering why Ros would not kick the ball in quicker. It is easy to be incisive and open up a defence on turnover ball before they have a chance to reset. That was the difference on Saturday. Ros were winning midfield but were coming up against a defence that were all set. This led to players going laterally and into blind alleys before inevitably losing it and allowing Armagh to break en masse with Ros defenders turned facing their own goals trying to get back into position.
Rubbish from Ros.We'll cod ourselves into thinking we're making progress,young lads comin through,good mix of youth and experience blah blah blah.Pure nonsense.We're goin nowhere fast.
Fine Armagh side. Can execute a game plan to perfection. Physically imposing and fast on the counter attack. Conversion rate of score chances to actual scores is high. Don't tend to make mistakes. Carragher , Clarke and Tony K are fine footballers. They will be a handful for any side apart from Dublin. Wish them well.
Ros playing in the first half with 1 19 year old inside the 65 on his own was negative, we still gave away 6 points from play to zero. Our conversion rate was poor like the Mayo game. However a game against a very good Armagh side will bring us on in the long run. The pressure Armagh put on our forwards was a credit to the Armagh defence.
What do my fellow Rossies think of reports in today's local print media that John Evans is understood to have told the players last Saturday evening, that he might not be in a position to continue for personal reasons?.Are these rumours unfounded or is there a risk he'll leave?. Imo, it would be a big setback to the development of the Roscommon Senior team if he departs now. Hopefully he'll stay on.
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 22, 2014, 04:28:53 PM
What do my fellow Rossies think of reports in today's local print media that John Evans is understood to have told the players last Saturday evening, that he might not be in a position to continue for personal reasons?.Are these rumours unfounded or is there a risk he'll leave?. Imo, it would be a big setback to the development of the Roscommon Senior team if he departs now. Hopefully he'll stay on.
Johneen is a retired Garda so I imagine it could only be his or his wife's health that would stop him returning?
Hopefully nothing serious is happening in his life.
Who knows, maybe all the travelling is becoming an issue. It's a 7-8 hour round trip several times a week when things are in full swing. Co Board and players all want him to stay.
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 22, 2014, 04:28:53 PM
What do my fellow Rossies think of reports in today's local print media that John Evans is understood to have told the players last Saturday evening, that he might not be in a position to continue for personal reasons?.Are these rumours unfounded or is there a risk he'll leave?. Imo, it would be a big setback to the development of the Roscommon Senior team if he departs now. Hopefully he'll stay on.
It would not be the end of the world or even a setback if the right man was got as replacement.Intercounty players don't have to start from scratch.Who that man would be is another days work....