Surely not.
Tyrone would be red hot favourites.
Quote from: ONeill on June 28, 2014, 07:22:56 PM
Surely not.
Ye will have no need to worry, ye will beat them pulling up
Roscommon got closer last year and will surely get over the line this time. Doubt if it will be on tv but will be an entertaining clash.
Put some more turf on that fire Mary Ann !
It will be Down or Monaghan
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 29, 2014, 08:58:50 AM
It will be Down or Monaghan
It won't be Down as they're not in the b section of the qualifiers. It has to be Monaghan/Armagh,Kildare/Meath,Roscommon or Clare. So could well be a very tricky tie.
It was a disappointing first half from Tyrone yesterday. We were only 2 up at half time when should have been a lot more but for a lack of composure. Then had an excellent 15 minute spell after half time. But the inconsistency and flatness in parts of games thats been a huge problem all year. This is summed up best by Peter Harte. He had a poor first half (possibly contributed to by an early knock) and was jogging back when they were on the attack and showing no urgency to get back and defend (same thing has happened in other games). Then he was very good in the second half and really attacked the game. If he would take the game on more like that he could be a top half back.
A lot of boys who didn't play well in the first half when we were going poor had really good second halfs when the pressure was off. Changes are definitely needed in the half forward line. McKenna got a great goal in the second half and scored another point but doesnt win enough ball and does stupid things under pressure. That will hopefully improve with time but can't see it improving enough this year. McGinley looked good in the second half but again doesnt win enough ball. He does work hard though and can run all day. McGuigan also improved as the game went on, probably deserves another go.
PJ had a good game on his return to the game and I thought McNamee did ok at full back. Strange that Gormley and Coney weren't seen yesterday. But it has always been Harte's way over the years to bring boys in and out and I suppose if nothing else it keeps the panel on their toes. If Harte was naming a similar 15 every week the people on giving out about lack of settled selection would be on giving out about having a large panel and boys not a getting game time and why they're there.
McAliskey showed well yesterday and Donnelly was very good going forward. I do have some concerns about the shape of the team though. I'd nearly like to see a McMahon or Gormley at centre half back and Donnelly given a free role from some where as it would give the full back line more cover. People were very critical of O'Neill the last day but he showed well yesterday. I still think if he could stay fit for the next month and Tyrone made it to the quarter finals that he would still have a lot to offer. He had a great league last year but never got fully fit after.
By god we have some Indian sign over the rossies.
Quote from: rrhf on June 29, 2014, 09:33:50 AM
By god we have some Indian sign over the rossies.
Tis true, but then up until a fortnight ago Tyrone had some Indian sign over Monaghan.
Buckin Indians
At least we're a manly team.
There'll be fireworks
And diving.
Wee buns.
This thread could be a long one
Is it on Sky......If not....why not? :P
Is the 12th July in Omagh this year - not sure what they'll do with the fixture if Tyrone are at home. Its a joke Monaghan get home advantage even through Tyrone came out first considering Monaghan got home advantage last time - who comes up with these ridiculous rules!
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 30, 2014, 09:30:26 AM
Is the 12th July in Omagh this year - not sure what they'll do with the fixture if Tyrone are at home. Its a joke Monaghan get home advantage even through Tyrone came out first considering Monaghan got home advantage last time - who comes up with these ridiculous rules!
I think County Down did - after beating Derry in Celtic Park last year and then being asked to go and do it again in Celtic Park.
What a load of bullshit
Cutting to the chase them, Tyrone v Armagh in Omagh on Saturday 12th July
Its a big ask for Armagh to play 3 consecutive weekends, with only a 6 day turnaround after loosing provincial semi final.
Fcuk Oh! Looking forward to this...
Quote from: God14 on June 30, 2014, 09:51:38 AM
Its a big ask for Armagh to play 3 consecutive weekends, with only a 6 day turnaround after loosing provincial semi final.
Our strategy was to keep 3 of our best men fresh by not playing them in the first game, so ensuring that we win the second game and don't need the third one.
Quote from: Aristo 60 on June 30, 2014, 09:39:16 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 30, 2014, 09:30:26 AM
Is the 12th July in Omagh this year - not sure what they'll do with the fixture if Tyrone are at home. Its a joke Monaghan get home advantage even through Tyrone came out first considering Monaghan got home advantage last time - who comes up with these ridiculous rules!
I think County Down did - after beating Derry in Celtic Park last year and then being asked to go and do it again in Celtic Park.
I can see the logic in that case. But in this case Monaghan had home advantage the first time round so not sure why they should get it again. Considering their recent record in Clones I'm sure home advantage was a factor in their first round win. Just doesn't seem right that they should automatically be entitled to it again when Tyrone came out 1st. We'd be them second time round wherever it is so doesn't really matter but just seems silly.
I think this is a great draw for Tyrone,a chance for revenge over Monaghan or a meeting with our bitter rivals Armagh.If that doesn't fire up the players nothing will.I wouldn't have any worries about going to Clones again,if we're good enough we'll beat them no matter where it's at.Much rather have that than playing Clare or Roscommon.
We just need to keep Stevie off the bike for the next 2 weeks and we'll be grand.
Toughest draw Tyrone could have got. They are playing below the level of both these teams judging by the last 2 weeks football. It's a game Tyrone can win but i believe we are the 3rd 4th best team in ulster never mind the all Ireland. Still the big win' at the weekend might change the dynamic a little.
I hear Monaghan fancy a rematch with Tyrone.
Armagh will no doubt hope to close the 24 point gap from their last day out against Tyrone.
Quote from: under the bar on June 30, 2014, 10:51:50 AM
Armagh will no doubt hope to close the 24 point gap from their last day out against Tyrone.
We got the point the first time you posted it!
Monaghan get home advantage as rules have changed this year. If two teams meet in qualifiers that have met in their province the team that won the provincial game automatically get home advantage.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on June 30, 2014, 10:55:02 AM
Quote from: under the bar on June 30, 2014, 10:51:50 AM
Armagh will no doubt hope to close the 24 point gap from their last day out against Tyrone.
We got the point the first time you posted it!
Should be renamed "behind the bar", silly child.
Quote from: haveaharp on June 30, 2014, 10:58:33 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on June 30, 2014, 10:55:02 AM
Quote from: under the bar on June 30, 2014, 10:51:50 AM
Armagh will no doubt hope to close the 24 point gap from their last day out against Tyrone.
We got the point the first time you posted it!
Should be renamed "behind the bar", silly child.
Maybe he's going to make 24 points!
Quote from: armaghniac on June 30, 2014, 11:01:50 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on June 30, 2014, 10:58:33 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on June 30, 2014, 10:55:02 AM
Quote from: under the bar on June 30, 2014, 10:51:50 AM
Armagh will no doubt hope to close the 24 point gap from their last day out against Tyrone.
We got the point the first time you posted it!
Should be renamed "behind the bar", silly child.
Maybe he's going to make 24 points!
Maybe he got mixed up which user name he was posting under ;)
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 30, 2014, 10:56:19 AM
Monaghan get home advantage as rules have changed this year. If two teams meet in qualifiers that have met in their province the team that won the provincial game automatically get home advantage.
Is there somebody employed full time to change the rules every year? Have you ever seen so many rules changed so many times every year? Any chance of a rule which puts a stop to rule changes every year on everything?
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 29, 2014, 08:58:50 AM
It will be Down or Monaghan
Think you're being a bit paranoid there Fuzzy Bear.
No need for the siege mentality just yet dude.
Are you worried that the GAA (or RTE) really have it in for Tyrone and will rig the draw?
You'll probably get Carlow at home now.
Yeah right
Do you think Fuzzman
Look at what they had up on the website before the draw. Look at the last line.
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/2/2906142056-all-ireland-football-qualifiers-round-2-draw/ (http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/2/2906142056-all-ireland-football-qualifiers-round-2-draw/)
Look at those hands doing the draw?
(http://www.gaa.ie/content/images/news/miscellaneous/draw_general2013.jpg)
A perfect match.
(http://cdn2.independent.ie/incoming/article30330686.ece/67e01/ALTERNATES/h342/Harte+and+O'Neill)
"So Joe you think the best revenge for Sean Cavanagh would be to beat Tyrone twice in the one year at home again"
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqwQMLjIYAAoCv9.jpg:large)
Is that Peader Totten in the background of Joe Brolly picture ?
Must have been taken at rounders then!!!
I think this is a great draw for Tyrone. No complacency and we will go in as underdogs! :) Much more preferrable than an away trip to the Hyde.
Wow, the Armagh posters are pretty tetchy already. To hear them you'd think Tyrone rigged the draw! Cheer up lads with the prospect of no championship football beyond 12th July you'll be able to March all summer without distraction! :D:D:D:D
IF
Armagh beat Monaghan in semi
Tyrone beat Monaghan in qualifiers
It would be some kick in the teeth for Monaghan considering their celebrating and significance they seem to attach to the Tyrone result!
PS If it does happen Horse to drop the shoulder in Darren Hughes after the match in a revenge attack!
Quote from: never kickt a ball on June 30, 2014, 11:33:20 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 30, 2014, 10:56:19 AM
Monaghan get home advantage as rules have changed this year. If two teams meet in qualifiers that have met in their province the team that won the provincial game automatically get home advantage.
Is there somebody employed full time to change the rules every year? Have you ever seen so many rules changed so many times every year? Any chance of a rule which puts a stop to rule changes every year on everything?
Wasn't it ye're Ulster mates from Down who got this changed - bet Derry last year in Celtic Pk, then got drawn there again in the Qfrs and lost??? ... if the oul memory serves we correct?
Quote from: under the bar on June 30, 2014, 12:44:18 PM
Wow, the Armagh posters are pretty tetchy already. To hear them you'd think Tyrone rigged the draw! Cheer up lads with the prospect of no championship football beyond 12th July you'll be able to March all summer without distraction! :D:D:D:D
I think Armagh are concentrating on the Ulster Semi final. It's great to see Tyrone grasping about looking for something to spur their mediocre team on.
Quote from: Zip Code on June 30, 2014, 02:48:43 PM
Quote from: under the bar on June 30, 2014, 12:44:18 PM
Wow, the Armagh posters are pretty tetchy already. To hear them you'd think Tyrone rigged the draw! Cheer up lads with the prospect of no championship football beyond 12th July you'll be able to March all summer without distraction! :D:D:D:D
I think Armagh are concentrating on the Ulster Semi final. It's great to see Tyrone grasping about looking for something to spur their mediocre team on.
If Armagh manage to achieve mediocrity this year then it will be a very successful year for them and a major improvement on the previous. Don't knock it.
Seriously BennyH do you think we could beat Monaghan this time around in Clones?
I think they'll have a lot more belief now than they had the first day and I'd rather have steered clear of them until later.
Saying that I'd say they're not exactly delighted to see us 7 days after losing to the Orangemen with flag issues.
I'd say those anti Northern brigade who made the draw are loving it.
I presume the match arranging "draw" is now done behind closed door with a
If they can get all Ulster teams out asap and only leave the Ulster champs and then pair them against Cork or Kerry in the 1/4 final and sure then we'll see another Kerry v Dublin AI final which the real purists want to see.
Isn't that right Joe or should I see our next president?
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/F4jWX0x6gb4/hqdefault.jpg)
I'd say it must be tempting though for Armagh to throw their next game as they must fancy their chances against Tyrone Lite now.
I see they are banning all media interviews too like Mickey Harte. Be careful playing with that fire lads. Only one winner there as we have found out the last 2 years to our cost.
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 30, 2014, 02:52:25 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on June 30, 2014, 02:48:43 PM
Quote from: under the bar on June 30, 2014, 12:44:18 PM
Wow, the Armagh posters are pretty tetchy already. To hear them you'd think Tyrone rigged the draw! Cheer up lads with the prospect of no championship football beyond 12th July you'll be able to March all summer without distraction! :D:D:D:D
I think Armagh are concentrating on the Ulster Semi final. It's great to see Tyrone grasping about looking for something to spur their mediocre team on.
If Armagh manage to achieve mediocrity this year then it will be a very successful year for them and a major improvement on the previous. Don't knock it.
I know exactly were Armagh is at, and am looking forward to the Ulster Semi Final replay, the Tyronies here seem to thing they are still in the noughties, their performances would suggest otherwise.
I'm looking forward to the week after your replay ;D ;D
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 30, 2014, 03:01:47 PM
Seriously BennyH do you think we could beat Monaghan this time around in Clones?
I think they'll have a lot more belief now than they had the first day and I'd rather have steered clear of them until later.
Saying that I'd say they're not exactly delighted to see us 7 days after losing to the Orangemen with flag issues.
Fuzz, why not? I'd always be fairly optimistic and think Tyrone can beat most teams on a good day bar maybe Dublin (and Cork who always seem to have our number). Obviously the Monaghan lads would rightly be confident too, but I think we played poorly in the last game, yet were only a kick of the ball (one Morgan would normally kick in his sleep) away from a draw. Mickey usually has a good record in replays (we can consider this a replay) and generally gets things right second time round. I genuinely think we have loads of scope for improvement and if things click and we get our match ups right then we are most definitely a match for Monaghan. Armagh could be more difficult though. ;) Either way, it is a big game - the more big games we get, the better it will stand to us if we do manage to progress. And if we get beat by either of these two teams then we just aren't good enough anyway and we can get on with the club championship and it will save a few pounds in petrol (and air fares for me) travelling around Ireland, stringing out a season with facile wins over a Carlow or a Clare only to get thumped by the first good team we meet in Croker again. So all in all a good draw in my opinion.
Pros for playing Monaghan:
Revenge. Can't get enough Dick.
Cons v Monaghan:
They have that Indian Monkey off their backs now
Pros for playing Armagh:
We've beaten them 433 times since the 2002 first round game.
They're no good.
McKeever will get sent off.
Cons:
None really.
I wish I shared your optimism BH but to be honest I think we're in decline for a while now.
We can't beat Donegal the last 3 years, we can't beat any of the big guns like Dubs, Mayo, Cork or Kerry and are now struggling to beat Monaghan who should have been out of sight v us the last day.
Yes we played poorly and got within a point but I think a bit like playing Donegal we just can't break down that sort of defensive system.
All our forwards really struggled to find space and beat their man.
We showed last year we can beat some decent teams like Kildare and the Rossies but I'm afraid we're already just not good enough.
Where do you fly over from in the UK? Have you got sky now?
Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2014, 04:42:14 PM
Pros for playing Monaghan:
Revenge. Can't get enough Dick.
Cons v Monaghan:
They have that Indian Monkey off their backs now
Pros for playing Armagh:
We've beaten them 433 times since the 2002 first round game.
They're no good.
McKeever will get sent off.
Cons:
None really.
Lol...very good O'Neill, what a guy. I won't take the bait saan
This marching behind the wrong colour flag seems to go back a long way
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1420000/images/_1422212_orange300.jpg)
It's win-win for Armagh.
Beat Monaghan and we're in an Ulster final.
Lose and we get to watch Ciaran McKeever bully Sean Cavanagh
Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2014, 04:42:14 PM
We've beaten them 433 times since the 2002 first round game.
Sorry about the 2005 Ulster final, we won't mention the cheating in 2003 ;)
Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2014, 04:42:14 PM
McKeever will get sent off.
Surely the ref will see through Tyrones diving?
But aren't we getting ahead of ourselves, Armagh have bigger fish to fry, in the Ulster final.
Tyrone posters here are rightly confident to be possibly playing Armagh more so than Monaghan. The drubbing in January and the defeats the past few years will have Armagh mentally fragile, plus Tyrone are just playing at a higher level than Armagh. It's a good tie for Tyrone.
Quote from: Armamike on June 30, 2014, 06:33:28 PM
Tyrone posters here are rightly confident to be possibly playing Armagh more so than Monaghan. The drubbing in January and the defeats the past few years will have Armagh mentally fragile, plus Tyrone are just playing at a higher level than Armagh. It's a good tie for Tyrone.
I agree. Fully expect Monaghan to win replay. Then I expect Tyrone to give Armagh a bit of a lesson.
Quote from: EC Unique on June 30, 2014, 08:28:59 PM
Quote from: Armamike on June 30, 2014, 06:33:28 PM
Tyrone posters here are rightly confident to be possibly playing Armagh more so than Monaghan. The drubbing in January and the defeats the past few years will have Armagh mentally fragile, plus Tyrone are just playing at a higher level than Armagh. It's a good tie for Tyrone.
I agree. Fully expect Monaghan to win replay. Then I expect Tyrone to give Armagh a bit of a lesson.
You probably expected Tyrone to give Monaghan a lesson too.
Quote from: Kidder81 on June 30, 2014, 08:35:26 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on June 30, 2014, 08:28:59 PM
Quote from: Armamike on June 30, 2014, 06:33:28 PM
Tyrone posters here are rightly confident to be possibly playing Armagh more so than Monaghan. The drubbing in January and the defeats the past few years will have Armagh mentally fragile, plus Tyrone are just playing at a higher level than Armagh. It's a good tie for Tyrone.
I agree. Fully expect Monaghan to win replay. Then I expect Tyrone to give Armagh a bit of a lesson.
You probably expected Tyrone to give Monaghan a lesson too.
He probably expected Errigal to do the same to Clonoe ;)
Lmao KYMI u love following EC about giving him guff. Bit like R Patrick did to petey in the champo!!!
EC is more than fit for it.
Quote from: Agent Orange on June 30, 2014, 06:29:21 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2014, 04:42:14 PM
We've beaten them 433 times since the 2002 first round game.
Sorry about the 2005 Ulster final, we won't mention the cheating in 2003 ;)
Yea, well done. Massive achievement.
Quote from: ONeill on July 01, 2014, 12:03:08 AM
Quote from: Agent Orange on June 30, 2014, 06:29:21 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2014, 04:42:14 PM
We've beaten them 433 times since the 2002 first round game.
Sorry about the 2005 Ulster final, we won't mention the cheating in 2003 ;)
myth
mɪθ/
noun
a widely held but false belief or idea.
a fictitious or imaginary person or thing.
synonyms: misconception, fallacy, mistaken belief, false notion, misbelief, old wives' tale, fairy story, fairy tale, fiction, fantasy, delusion, figment of the imagination;
Eg. Tyrone cheated Armagh in 2003.
Quote from: Agent Orange on June 30, 2014, 06:29:21 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2014, 04:42:14 PM
We've beaten them 433 times since the 2002 first round game.
Sorry about the 2005 Ulster final, we won't mention the cheating in 2003 ;)
Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2014, 04:42:14 PM
McKeever will get sent off.
Surely the ref will see through Tyrones diving?
But aren't we getting ahead of ourselves, Armagh have bigger fish to fry, in the Ulster final.
The ref gifted Armagh the 2005 final, but it spurred Tyrone on at the end of the summer.
Quote from: EC Unique on June 30, 2014, 11:54:27 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on June 30, 2014, 11:49:36 PM
EC is more than fit for it.
;D. My day will come.
Them Clonoe lads have one of their junior teams waiting for you in the JFC too.
http://ulsterherald.com/2014/06/30/tyrone-game-in-omagh-set-to-clash-with-main-twelfth-parade/ (http://ulsterherald.com/2014/06/30/tyrone-game-in-omagh-set-to-clash-with-main-twelfth-parade/)
Armagh should be happy with this. Should feel right at home.
I expect that a Tyrone/Armagh game and the Down/Kildare game will be on Sunday.
Quote from: WT4E on June 30, 2014, 01:44:22 PM
It would be some kick in the teeth for Monaghan considering their celebrating and significance they seem to attach to the Tyrone result!
So you expected us to make nothing of it, not having beaten Tyrone for 26 years and in addition to what happened last year in Croke Park?
Jaysus you're a shockin bad loser... ::)
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 11:37:09 AM
Quote from: WT4E on June 30, 2014, 01:44:22 PM
It would be some kick in the teeth for Monaghan considering their celebrating and significance they seem to attach to the Tyrone result!
So you expected us to make nothing of it, not having beaten Tyrone for 26 years and in addition to what happened last year in Croke Park?
Jaysus you're a shockin bad loser... ::)
No not at all - Just think it would be bad luck for Monaghan having got the monkey off their back to get defeated by Tyrone be out of the championship and nothing to show for it just because of the "luck" of the Qualifier draw.
Then again I suppose you could make and sell a dvd of the game!
You Tyronies are the most arrogant hoors around, i know it's meant to be a bit of a wind up but you actually think like that anyway...
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 11:44:59 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 11:37:09 AM
Quote from: WT4E on June 30, 2014, 01:44:22 PM
It would be some kick in the teeth for Monaghan considering their celebrating and significance they seem to attach to the Tyrone result!
So you expected us to make nothing of it, not having beaten Tyrone for 26 years and in addition to what happened last year in Croke Park?
Jaysus you're a shockin bad loser... ::)
No not at all - Just think it would be bad luck for Monaghan having got the monkey off their back to get defeated by Tyrone be out of the championship and nothing to show for it just because of the "luck" of the Qualifier draw.
Then again I suppose you could make and sell a dvd of the game!
I think you're contradicting yourself, either that or you're not getting your point across very accurately.
In addition, how has luck got anything to do with it? And, if you believe some of your colleagues we are already dining out on luck with all these home games. You boys believe the draw is rigged anyhow, therefore removing the possibility of luck..
Can't believe there's not more of yis on complaining about the draw being rigged.
It has to be don't you think or at least there's huge scope for it to be
Quote from: illdecide on July 01, 2014, 12:14:45 PM
You Tyronies are the most arrogant hoors around, i know it's meant to be a bit of a wind up but you actually think like that anyway...
And all Lurgan people are buskfast swigging layabouts. Dont tar us all. Some Tyrone fans are complete pr*cks just like some Armagh fans are complete pr*cks. I went to watch the Armagh Monaghon game in the pub and listened to some "woman" call every Monaghon player a dirty whoor along with a few anti-Tyrone digs at every oppertunity. If she was that big a fan she would have been at the game.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on July 01, 2014, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 01, 2014, 12:14:45 PM
You Tyronies are the most arrogant hoors around, i know it's meant to be a bit of a wind up but you actually think like that anyway...
And all Lurgan people are buskfast swigging layabouts. Dont tar us all. Some Tyrone fans are complete pr*cks just like some Armagh fans are complete pr*cks. I went to watch the Armagh Monaghon game in the pub and listened to some "woman" call every Monaghon player a dirty whoor along with a few anti-Tyrone digs at every oppertunity. If she was that big a fan she would have been at the game.
Fair enough...BTW Lurgan people are Buckfast swigging layabouts ;)
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 11:44:59 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 11:37:09 AM
Quote from: WT4E on June 30, 2014, 01:44:22 PM
It would be some kick in the teeth for Monaghan considering their celebrating and significance they seem to attach to the Tyrone result!
So you expected us to make nothing of it, not having beaten Tyrone for 26 years and in addition to what happened last year in Croke Park?
Jaysus you're a shockin bad loser... ::)
No not at all - Just think it would be bad luck for Monaghan having got the monkey off their back to get defeated by Tyrone be out of the championship and nothing to show for it just because of the "luck" of the Qualifier draw.
Then again I suppose you could make and sell a dvd of the game!
I think you're contradicting yourself, either that or you're not getting your point across very accurately.
In addition, how has luck got anything to do with it? And, if you believe some of your colleagues we are already dining out on luck with all these home games. You boys believe the draw is rigged anyhow, therefore removing the possibility of luck..
You seem to be VERY annoyed. The bad luck I'm talking about is the fact that say just for arguments sake Armagh beat Monaghan in the replay.
Monaghan have already defeated Tyrone who are arguably the team that most other teams would like to have stayed away from in the qualifiers (bad luck) so if Monaghan want to go to All Ireland final they would have to beat Tyrone twice in the one year.
If they had of got Carlow and went on a run in the qualifiers avoiding the bigger teams for another round or so then that would be good luck!
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on July 01, 2014, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 01, 2014, 12:14:45 PM
You Tyronies are the most arrogant hoors around, i know it's meant to be a bit of a wind up but you actually think like that anyway...
listened to some "woman" call every Monaghon player a dirty whoor along with a few anti-Tyrone digs at every oppertunity.
And she'd be right ;D
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 02:15:56 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 11:44:59 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 11:37:09 AM
Quote from: WT4E on June 30, 2014, 01:44:22 PM
It would be some kick in the teeth for Monaghan considering their celebrating and significance they seem to attach to the Tyrone result!
So you expected us to make nothing of it, not having beaten Tyrone for 26 years and in addition to what happened last year in Croke Park?
Jaysus you're a shockin bad loser... ::)
No not at all - Just think it would be bad luck for Monaghan having got the monkey off their back to get defeated by Tyrone be out of the championship and nothing to show for it just because of the "luck" of the Qualifier draw.
Then again I suppose you could make and sell a dvd of the game!
I think you're contradicting yourself, either that or you're not getting your point across very accurately.
In addition, how has luck got anything to do with it? And, if you believe some of your colleagues we are already dining out on luck with all these home games. You boys believe the draw is rigged anyhow, therefore removing the possibility of luck..
You seem to be VERY annoyed. The bad luck I'm talking about is the fact that say just for arguments sake Armagh beat Monaghan in the replay.
Monaghan have already defeated Tyrone who are arguably the team that most other teams would like to have stayed away from in the qualifiers (bad luck) so if Monaghan want to go to All Ireland final they would have to beat Tyrone twice in the one year.
If they had of got Carlow and went on a run in the qualifiers avoiding the bigger teams for another round or so then that would be good luck!
I get all that. It's your original claim that we over indulged in celebration after beating you for the first time in 26 years followed by you stating the opposite (i.e. no not at all) which annoys me a little, but not VERY. Your arrogance is a little annoying also, but again, not VERY.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 02:56:06 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 02:15:56 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 11:44:59 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 11:37:09 AM
Quote from: WT4E on June 30, 2014, 01:44:22 PM
It would be some kick in the teeth for Monaghan considering their celebrating and significance they seem to attach to the Tyrone result!
So you expected us to make nothing of it, not having beaten Tyrone for 26 years and in addition to what happened last year in Croke Park?
Jaysus you're a shockin bad loser... ::)
No not at all - Just think it would be bad luck for Monaghan having got the monkey off their back to get defeated by Tyrone be out of the championship and nothing to show for it just because of the "luck" of the Qualifier draw.
Then again I suppose you could make and sell a dvd of the game!
I think you're contradicting yourself, either that or you're not getting your point across very accurately.
In addition, how has luck got anything to do with it? And, if you believe some of your colleagues we are already dining out on luck with all these home games. You boys believe the draw is rigged anyhow, therefore removing the possibility of luck..
You seem to be VERY annoyed. The bad luck I'm talking about is the fact that say just for arguments sake Armagh beat Monaghan in the replay.
Monaghan have already defeated Tyrone who are arguably the team that most other teams would like to have stayed away from in the qualifiers (bad luck) so if Monaghan want to go to All Ireland final they would have to beat Tyrone twice in the one year.
If they had of got Carlow and went on a run in the qualifiers avoiding the bigger teams for another round or so then that would be good luck!
I get all that. It's your original claim that we over indulged in celebration after beating you for the first time in 26 years followed by you stating the opposite (i.e. no not at all) which annoys me a little, but not VERY. Your arrogance is a little annoying also, but again, not VERY.
I never said you over indulged!
I'm not arrogant - your just hyper sensitive! ;D
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 02:15:56 PM
If they had of got Carlow
For fcuk sake I thought we'd got rid of that blooper from the Board a year ago :-[
Quote from: Rossfan on July 01, 2014, 03:27:26 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 02:15:56 PM
If they had of got Carlow
For fcuk sake I thought we'd got rid of that blooper from the Board a year ago :-[
???
Quote from: general_lee on June 30, 2014, 05:52:29 PM
It's win-win for Armagh.
Beat Monaghan and we're in an Ulster final.
Lose and we get to watch Ciaran McKeever bully Sean Cavanagh
LOL
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 03:25:18 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 02:56:06 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 02:15:56 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 11:44:59 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 11:37:09 AM
Quote from: WT4E on June 30, 2014, 01:44:22 PM
It would be some kick in the teeth for Monaghan considering their celebrating and significance they seem to attach to the Tyrone result!
So you expected us to make nothing of it, not having beaten Tyrone for 26 years and in addition to what happened last year in Croke Park?
Jaysus you're a shockin bad loser... ::)
No not at all - Just think it would be bad luck for Monaghan having got the monkey off their back to get defeated by Tyrone be out of the championship and nothing to show for it just because of the "luck" of the Qualifier draw.
Then again I suppose you could make and sell a dvd of the game!
I think you're contradicting yourself, either that or you're not getting your point across very accurately.
In addition, how has luck got anything to do with it? And, if you believe some of your colleagues we are already dining out on luck with all these home games. You boys believe the draw is rigged anyhow, therefore removing the possibility of luck..
You seem to be VERY annoyed. The bad luck I'm talking about is the fact that say just for arguments sake Armagh beat Monaghan in the replay.
Monaghan have already defeated Tyrone who are arguably the team that most other teams would like to have stayed away from in the qualifiers (bad luck) so if Monaghan want to go to All Ireland final they would have to beat Tyrone twice in the one year.
If they had of got Carlow and went on a run in the qualifiers avoiding the bigger teams for another round or so then that would be good luck!
I get all that. It's your original claim that we over indulged in celebration after beating you for the first time in 26 years followed by you stating the opposite (i.e. no not at all) which annoys me a little, but not VERY. Your arrogance is a little annoying also, but again, not VERY.
I never said you over indulged!
I'm not arrogant - your just hyper sensitive! ;D
You get the last word, good man.
Quote from: haveaharp on July 01, 2014, 02:40:55 PM
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Quote from: illdecide on July 01, 2014, 12:14:45 PM
You Tyronies are the most arrogant hoors around, i know it's meant to be a bit of a wind up but you actually think like that anyway...
listened to some "woman" call every Monaghon player a dirty whoor along with a few anti-Tyrone digs at every oppertunity.
And she'd be right ;D
Mrs Fearon does loosen her tongue a bit after a few pints.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 04:53:47 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 03:25:18 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 02:56:06 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 02:15:56 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 11:44:59 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 11:37:09 AM
Quote from: WT4E on June 30, 2014, 01:44:22 PM
It would be some kick in the teeth for Monaghan considering their celebrating and significance they seem to attach to the Tyrone result!
So you expected us to make nothing of it, not having beaten Tyrone for 26 years and in addition to what happened last year in Croke Park?
Jaysus you're a shockin bad loser... ::)
No not at all - Just think it would be bad luck for Monaghan having got the monkey off their back to get defeated by Tyrone be out of the championship and nothing to show for it just because of the "luck" of the Qualifier draw.
Then again I suppose you could make and sell a dvd of the game!
I think you're contradicting yourself, either that or you're not getting your point across very accurately.
In addition, how has luck got anything to do with it? And, if you believe some of your colleagues we are already dining out on luck with all these home games. You boys believe the draw is rigged anyhow, therefore removing the possibility of luck..
You seem to be VERY annoyed. The bad luck I'm talking about is the fact that say just for arguments sake Armagh beat Monaghan in the replay.
Monaghan have already defeated Tyrone who are arguably the team that most other teams would like to have stayed away from in the qualifiers (bad luck) so if Monaghan want to go to All Ireland final they would have to beat Tyrone twice in the one year.
If they had of got Carlow and went on a run in the qualifiers avoiding the bigger teams for another round or so then that would be good luck!
I get all that. It's your original claim that we over indulged in celebration after beating you for the first time in 26 years followed by you stating the opposite (i.e. no not at all) which annoys me a little, but not VERY. Your arrogance is a little annoying also, but again, not VERY.
I never said you over indulged!
I'm not arrogant - your just hyper sensitive! ;D
You get the last word, good man.
That has to be one of the most childish phrases with which to end an argument
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 01, 2014, 08:10:46 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 04:53:47 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 03:25:18 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 02:56:06 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 02:15:56 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 11:44:59 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 11:37:09 AM
Quote from: WT4E on June 30, 2014, 01:44:22 PM
It would be some kick in the teeth for Monaghan considering their celebrating and significance they seem to attach to the Tyrone result!
So you expected us to make nothing of it, not having beaten Tyrone for 26 years and in addition to what happened last year in Croke Park?
Jaysus you're a shockin bad loser... ::)
No not at all - Just think it would be bad luck for Monaghan having got the monkey off their back to get defeated by Tyrone be out of the championship and nothing to show for it just because of the "luck" of the Qualifier draw.
Then again I suppose you could make and sell a dvd of the game!
I think you're contradicting yourself, either that or you're not getting your point across very accurately.
In addition, how has luck got anything to do with it? And, if you believe some of your colleagues we are already dining out on luck with all these home games. You boys believe the draw is rigged anyhow, therefore removing the possibility of luck..
You seem to be VERY annoyed. The bad luck I'm talking about is the fact that say just for arguments sake Armagh beat Monaghan in the replay.
Monaghan have already defeated Tyrone who are arguably the team that most other teams would like to have stayed away from in the qualifiers (bad luck) so if Monaghan want to go to All Ireland final they would have to beat Tyrone twice in the one year.
If they had of got Carlow and went on a run in the qualifiers avoiding the bigger teams for another round or so then that would be good luck!
I get all that. It's your original claim that we over indulged in celebration after beating you for the first time in 26 years followed by you stating the opposite (i.e. no not at all) which annoys me a little, but not VERY. Your arrogance is a little annoying also, but again, not VERY.
I never said you over indulged!
I'm not arrogant - your just hyper sensitive! ;D
You get the last word, good man.
That has to be one of the most childish phrases with which to end an argument
Thanks, but it wasn't an argument, it was a discussion, which is now over.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 11:20:57 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 01, 2014, 08:10:46 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 04:53:47 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 03:25:18 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 02:56:06 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 02:15:56 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 11:44:59 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 11:37:09 AM
Quote from: WT4E on June 30, 2014, 01:44:22 PM
It would be some kick in the teeth for Monaghan considering their celebrating and significance they seem to attach to the Tyrone result!
So you expected us to make nothing of it, not having beaten Tyrone for 26 years and in addition to what happened last year in Croke Park?
Jaysus you're a shockin bad loser... ::)
No not at all - Just think it would be bad luck for Monaghan having got the monkey off their back to get defeated by Tyrone be out of the championship and nothing to show for it just because of the "luck" of the Qualifier draw.
Then again I suppose you could make and sell a dvd of the game!
I think you're contradicting yourself, either that or you're not getting your point across very accurately.
In addition, how has luck got anything to do with it? And, if you believe some of your colleagues we are already dining out on luck with all these home games. You boys believe the draw is rigged anyhow, therefore removing the possibility of luck..
You seem to be VERY annoyed. The bad luck I'm talking about is the fact that say just for arguments sake Armagh beat Monaghan in the replay.
Monaghan have already defeated Tyrone who are arguably the team that most other teams would like to have stayed away from in the qualifiers (bad luck) so if Monaghan want to go to All Ireland final they would have to beat Tyrone twice in the one year.
If they had of got Carlow and went on a run in the qualifiers avoiding the bigger teams for another round or so then that would be good luck!
I get all that. It's your original claim that we over indulged in celebration after beating you for the first time in 26 years followed by you stating the opposite (i.e. no not at all) which annoys me a little, but not VERY. Your arrogance is a little annoying also, but again, not VERY.
I never said you over indulged!
I'm not arrogant - your just hyper sensitive! ;D
You get the last word, good man.
That has to be one of the most childish phrases with which to end an argument
Thanks, but it wasn't an argument, it was a discussion, which is now over.
Just want this to keep going
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 02, 2014, 03:22:09 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 11:20:57 PM
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Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 03:25:18 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 02:56:06 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 02:15:56 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 11:44:59 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 11:37:09 AM
Quote from: WT4E on June 30, 2014, 01:44:22 PM
It would be some kick in the teeth for Monaghan considering their celebrating and significance they seem to attach to the Tyrone result!
So you expected us to make nothing of it, not having beaten Tyrone for 26 years and in addition to what happened last year in Croke Park?
Jaysus you're a shockin bad loser... ::)
No not at all - Just think it would be bad luck for Monaghan having got the monkey off their back to get defeated by Tyrone be out of the championship and nothing to show for it just because of the "luck" of the Qualifier draw.
Then again I suppose you could make and sell a dvd of the game!
I think you're contradicting yourself, either that or you're not getting your point across very accurately.
In addition, how has luck got anything to do with it? And, if you believe some of your colleagues we are already dining out on luck with all these home games. You boys believe the draw is rigged anyhow, therefore removing the possibility of luck..
You seem to be VERY annoyed. The bad luck I'm talking about is the fact that say just for arguments sake Armagh beat Monaghan in the replay.
Monaghan have already defeated Tyrone who are arguably the team that most other teams would like to have stayed away from in the qualifiers (bad luck) so if Monaghan want to go to All Ireland final they would have to beat Tyrone twice in the one year.
If they had of got Carlow and went on a run in the qualifiers avoiding the bigger teams for another round or so then that would be good luck!
I get all that. It's your original claim that we over indulged in celebration after beating you for the first time in 26 years followed by you stating the opposite (i.e. no not at all) which annoys me a little, but not VERY. Your arrogance is a little annoying also, but again, not VERY.
I never said you over indulged!
I'm not arrogant - your just hyper sensitive! ;D
You get the last word, good man.
That has to be one of the most childish phrases with which to end an argument
Thanks, but it wasn't an argument, it was a discussion, which is now over.
Just want this to keep going
to see if the quote borders will close in on itself
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 02, 2014, 03:25:18 AM
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Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 11:44:59 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 11:37:09 AM
Quote from: WT4E on June 30, 2014, 01:44:22 PM
It would be some kick in the teeth for Monaghan considering their celebrating and significance they seem to attach to the Tyrone result!
So you expected us to make nothing of it, not having beaten Tyrone for 26 years and in addition to what happened last year in Croke Park?
Jaysus you're a shockin bad loser... ::)
No not at all - Just think it would be bad luck for Monaghan having got the monkey off their back to get defeated by Tyrone be out of the championship and nothing to show for it just because of the "luck" of the Qualifier draw.
Then again I suppose you could make and sell a dvd of the game!
I think you're contradicting yourself, either that or you're not getting your point across very accurately.
In addition, how has luck got anything to do with it? And, if you believe some of your colleagues we are already dining out on luck with all these home games. You boys believe the draw is rigged anyhow, therefore removing the possibility of luck..
You seem to be VERY annoyed. The bad luck I'm talking about is the fact that say just for arguments sake Armagh beat Monaghan in the replay.
Monaghan have already defeated Tyrone who are arguably the team that most other teams would like to have stayed away from in the qualifiers (bad luck) so if Monaghan want to go to All Ireland final they would have to beat Tyrone twice in the one year.
If they had of got Carlow and went on a run in the qualifiers avoiding the bigger teams for another round or so then that would be good luck!
I get all that. It's your original claim that we over indulged in celebration after beating you for the first time in 26 years followed by you stating the opposite (i.e. no not at all) which annoys me a little, but not VERY. Your arrogance is a little annoying also, but again, not VERY.
I never said you over indulged!
I'm not arrogant - your just hyper sensitive! ;D
You get the last word, good man.
That has to be one of the most childish phrases with which to end an argument
Thanks, but it wasn't an argument, it was a discussion, which is now over.
Just want this to keep going
to see if the quote borders will close in on itself
No helpers?
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 02, 2014, 03:09:11 PM
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Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 03:25:18 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 02:56:06 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 02:15:56 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 11:44:59 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 11:37:09 AM
Quote from: WT4E on June 30, 2014, 01:44:22 PM
It would be some kick in the teeth for Monaghan considering their celebrating and significance they seem to attach to the Tyrone result!
So you expected us to make nothing of it, not having beaten Tyrone for 26 years and in addition to what happened last year in Croke Park?
Jaysus you're a shockin bad loser... ::)
No not at all - Just think it would be bad luck for Monaghan having got the monkey off their back to get defeated by Tyrone be out of the championship and nothing to show for it just because of the "luck" of the Qualifier draw.
Then again I suppose you could make and sell a dvd of the game!
I think you're contradicting yourself, either that or you're not getting your point across very accurately.
In addition, how has luck got anything to do with it? And, if you believe some of your colleagues we are already dining out on luck with all these home games. You boys believe the draw is rigged anyhow, therefore removing the possibility of luck..
You seem to be VERY annoyed. The bad luck I'm talking about is the fact that say just for arguments sake Armagh beat Monaghan in the replay.
Monaghan have already defeated Tyrone who are arguably the team that most other teams would like to have stayed away from in the qualifiers (bad luck) so if Monaghan want to go to All Ireland final they would have to beat Tyrone twice in the one year.
If they had of got Carlow and went on a run in the qualifiers avoiding the bigger teams for another round or so then that would be good luck!
I get all that. It's your original claim that we over indulged in celebration after beating you for the first time in 26 years followed by you stating the opposite (i.e. no not at all) which annoys me a little, but not VERY. Your arrogance is a little annoying also, but again, not VERY.
I never said you over indulged!
I'm not arrogant - your just hyper sensitive! ;D
You get the last word, good man.
That has to be one of the most childish phrases with which to end an argument
Thanks, but it wasn't an argument, it was a discussion, which is now over.
Just want this to keep going
to see if the quote borders will close in on itself
No helpers?
As previously pointed out, that's just childish..
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 03, 2014, 10:13:34 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 02, 2014, 03:09:11 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 02, 2014, 03:25:18 AM
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Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 02:56:06 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 02:15:56 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2014, 11:44:59 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2014, 11:37:09 AM
Quote from: WT4E on June 30, 2014, 01:44:22 PM
It would be some kick in the teeth for Monaghan considering their celebrating and significance they seem to attach to the Tyrone result!
So you expected us to make nothing of it, not having beaten Tyrone for 26 years and in addition to what happened last year in Croke Park?
Jaysus you're a shockin bad loser... ::)
No not at all - Just think it would be bad luck for Monaghan having got the monkey off their back to get defeated by Tyrone be out of the championship and nothing to show for it just because of the "luck" of the Qualifier draw.
Then again I suppose you could make and sell a dvd of the game!
I think you're contradicting yourself, either that or you're not getting your point across very accurately.
In addition, how has luck got anything to do with it? And, if you believe some of your colleagues we are already dining out on luck with all these home games. You boys believe the draw is rigged anyhow, therefore removing the possibility of luck..
You seem to be VERY annoyed. The bad luck I'm talking about is the fact that say just for arguments sake Armagh beat Monaghan in the replay.
Monaghan have already defeated Tyrone who are arguably the team that most other teams would like to have stayed away from in the qualifiers (bad luck) so if Monaghan want to go to All Ireland final they would have to beat Tyrone twice in the one year.
If they had of got Carlow and went on a run in the qualifiers avoiding the bigger teams for another round or so then that would be good luck!
I get all that. It's your original claim that we over indulged in celebration after beating you for the first time in 26 years followed by you stating the opposite (i.e. no not at all) which annoys me a little, but not VERY. Your arrogance is a little annoying also, but again, not VERY.
I never said you over indulged!
I'm not arrogant - your just hyper sensitive! ;D
You get the last word, good man.
That has to be one of the most childish phrases with which to end an argument
Thanks, but it wasn't an argument, it was a discussion, which is now over.
Just want this to keep going
to see if the quote borders will close in on itself
No helpers?
As previously pointed out, that's just childish..
Has someone already tried it?
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 04, 2014, 06:12:03 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 03, 2014, 10:13:34 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 02, 2014, 03:09:11 PM
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Quote from: WT4E on June 30, 2014, 01:44:22 PM
It would be some kick in the teeth for Monaghan considering their celebrating and significance they seem to attach to the Tyrone result!
So you expected us to make nothing of it, not having beaten Tyrone for 26 years and in addition to what happened last year in Croke Park?
Jaysus you're a shockin bad loser... ::)
No not at all - Just think it would be bad luck for Monaghan having got the monkey off their back to get defeated by Tyrone be out of the championship and nothing to show for it just because of the "luck" of the Qualifier draw.
Then again I suppose you could make and sell a dvd of the game!
I think you're contradicting yourself, either that or you're not getting your point across very accurately.
In addition, how has luck got anything to do with it? And, if you believe some of your colleagues we are already dining out on luck with all these home games. You boys believe the draw is rigged anyhow, therefore removing the possibility of luck..
You seem to be VERY annoyed. The bad luck I'm talking about is the fact that say just for arguments sake Armagh beat Monaghan in the replay.
Monaghan have already defeated Tyrone who are arguably the team that most other teams would like to have stayed away from in the qualifiers (bad luck) so if Monaghan want to go to All Ireland final they would have to beat Tyrone twice in the one year.
If they had of got Carlow and went on a run in the qualifiers avoiding the bigger teams for another round or so then that would be good luck!
I get all that. It's your original claim that we over indulged in celebration after beating you for the first time in 26 years followed by you stating the opposite (i.e. no not at all) which annoys me a little, but not VERY. Your arrogance is a little annoying also, but again, not VERY.
I never said you over indulged!
I'm not arrogant - your just hyper sensitive! ;D
You get the last word, good man.
That has to be one of the most childish phrases with which to end an argument
Thanks, but it wasn't an argument, it was a discussion, which is now over.
Just want this to keep going
to see if the quote borders will close in on itself
No helpers?
As previously pointed out, that's just childish..
Has someone already tried it?
Any links?
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Quote from: Agent Orange on June 30, 2014, 06:29:21 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2014, 04:42:14 PM
We've beaten them 433 times since the 2002 first round game.
Sorry about the 2005 Ulster final, we won't mention the cheating in 2003 ;)
Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2014, 04:42:14 PM
McKeever will get sent off.
Surely the ref will see through Tyrones diving?
But aren't we getting ahead of ourselves, Armagh have bigger fish to fry, in the Ulster final.
The ref gifted Armagh the 2005 final, but it spurred Tyrone on at the end of the summer.
I think Paul McGranes inability to pick a ball up spurred Tyrone on that day. That and the still inexplicible decision to take of McGeeney. Of all the loses over the years the 2005 semi final hurts the most. Even more than 03 because Im not sure we would have beaten Tyrone even if Marsden stayed on the pitch
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Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2014, 04:42:14 PM
We've beaten them 433 times since the 2002 first round game.
Sorry about the 2005 Ulster final, we won't mention the cheating in 2003 ;)
Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2014, 04:42:14 PM
McKeever will get sent off.
Surely the ref will see through Tyrones diving?
But aren't we getting ahead of ourselves, Armagh have bigger fish to fry, in the Ulster final.
The ref gifted Armagh the 2005 final, but it spurred Tyrone on at the end of the summer.
I think Paul McGranes inability to pick a ball up spurred Tyrone on that day. That and the still inexplicible decision to take of McGeeney. Of all the loses over the years the 2005 semi final hurts the most. Even more than 03 because Im not sure we would have beaten Tyrone even if Marsden stayed on the pitch
The 2005 final replay 'loss' is one that still annoys me too, Tyrone more than likely would have won if it had not been for the referee.
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 04, 2014, 08:43:51 AM
I think Paul McGranes inability to pick a ball up spurred Tyrone on that day. That and the still inexplicible decision to take of McGeeney. Of all the loses over the years the 2005 semi final hurts the most. Even more than 03 because Im not sure we would have beaten Tyrone even if Marsden stayed on the pitch
Fair play to you Tonto. One of the few Armagh men to admit this. Tyrone had a lot of chanced for goals in the 2003 final which we just didn't put away. That was a high tension day in Croker and fair play to all the Armagh fans around me who shook my hand after the game and took their defeat well.
Unlike a lot of my fellow county men on here I am worried about this game and think both Armagh or Monaghan could beat us. Armagh certainly look to have caught themselves on and are up for the battle much more now. Monaghan weren't great v Tyrone the first day but that was only their first game of the championship whereas now they are about to go into their 3rd.
Amazing isn't it that Cork v Kerry this weekend for the first piece of silverware of the summer whereas Monaghan, reigning Ulster champs will be playing their 3rd game and are still not even in the final.
For a totally unbiased sports expert to come in and examine our interpro set up he would laugh that we have 32 counties (more or less) yet typical Irish style we manage to screw it up.
As a matter of interest who do most Tyrone people want to meet in the next round and why?
For me, whilst it would be nice to get revenge against Monaghan, I think we would have a better chance v Armagh if we could "hold" Jamie boy
I would like Armagh - Better atmosphere - they don't have the same chip on their shoulder as Monaghan seem to have.
It would be a more open game too I would think!
I'd prefer Armagh too. A more civilised bunch.
Yes less Dicks and Moans I suppose.
Still, it would be nice if we could maintain 10 years unbeaten to Armagh.
How things have changed in those 10 years.
On a serious note. Being a Southern Softie these days, would there be much tension around if this game is in Omagh on the 12/13th or is there a plan to move it?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 04, 2014, 11:19:14 AM
Yes less Dicks and Moans I suppose.
Still, it would be nice if we could maintain 10 years unbeaten to Armagh.
How things have changed in those 10 years.
On a serious note. Being a Southern Softie these days, would there be much tension around if this game is in Omagh on the 12/13th or is there a plan to move it?
i would imagine there is no way it could be played on the 12th , it will have to be the 13th
There's a Full Moon on 12th of July this year - no chance of the match going ahead on that date.
Is there any chance they could move it to the 19th/20th or does it have to be next weekend?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 04, 2014, 12:21:01 PM
Is there any chance they could move it to the 19th/20th or does it have to be next weekend?
The Winners are due to play one of Down/Kildare/Cavan/Roscommon/Carlow/Clare on Saturday 19th July.
Twelfth Venues 2014
The 17 demonstrations on Saturday, July 12, will be held in:
Limavady
Markethill
Larne
Belfast
Irvinestown
Newtownards
Gilford
Clough
Kilkeel
Dungannon
Omagh
Ballygawley
Broughshane
Ballymena
Cullybackey
Ballinderry
Ballymoney
Petey Harte broke his wrist last night with the club according to the Tyrone club thread.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 05, 2014, 10:50:51 AM
Petey Harte broke his wrist last night with the club according to the Tyrone club thread.
FFS!
Peter and pj will be big losses. Best of luck to the lads.
What happened PJ ?..
So Monaghan off the hook. For the time being anyway until Donegal knock them out. :o :o
So is it in Omagh then next Sunday or does that need to be confirmed?
Hopefully Joey or Block can come in for Harte which could be a blessing in disguise
This is just a matter of how much Tyrone win by. I hope Armagh players and supporters behave themselves in Omagh.
Real potential for mayhem here during the pre-match parade.
I could see Ciaran McKeever going after someone with some form of large wind instrument.
Jaysus I'm not looking forward to this one at all. I feel deflated after today. Will be very difficult for the Armagh team to pick themselves up after a week.
Jinxy, you do know you're from Meath, right? You know,the county whose main towns are Trip, Nail'em and Fells. And if you're looking for a large wind instrument, no better one than O'Rourke.
Yeah, we'll probably be on holidays next week, but all the best in Leinster, all the same.
Not looking forward to this at all. I can see us being dumped out with yet another inept performance. Tyrone are no big shakes, but they always seem to do enough to beat us.
This is a 50 50 game for all the crap talked on here. Armagh will give us our fill of it.
Quote from: rrhf on July 06, 2014, 08:52:46 PM
This is a 50 50 game for all the crap talked on here. Armagh will give us our fill of it.
Tyrone will win by a country mile and you know it.
Is it on Sun then or not confirmed yet?
Tyrone by 8-10
Feel like Galway hurlers one decent performance
Optimism
Two weeks later season over
Joe canning= Jamie Clarke
Quote from: Zip Code on July 06, 2014, 09:03:10 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 06, 2014, 08:52:46 PM
This is a 50 50 game for all the crap talked on here. Armagh will give us our fill of it.
Tyrone will win by a country mile and you know it.
I would love to share your optimism. Who in this game marks Jamie Clarke. Tyrone have lost their 2, 3 5 from an already questionable defence. Tyrone this year are probably at their level and don't appear to be going forward. Armagh are after a poor last few years. What we have lost and you have gained evens the tie up..
Have Armagh beaten us since 2005?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 06, 2014, 05:37:08 PM
So Monaghan off the hook. For the time being anyway until Donegal knock them out. :o :o
So is it in Omagh then next Sunday or does that need to be confirmed?
Hopefully Joey or Block can come in for Harte which could be a blessing in disguise
Donegal? Wee buns ;)
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 06, 2014, 10:04:15 PM
Have Armagh beaten us since 2005?
Law of averages and all that.
I'd say Barry Tierney feels a bit happier tonight if he watched Cork tore apart by O'Donoghue today.
I wonder how far down the pecking order he is now.
Interesting how complimentary Dee Cahill was of Kerry's blanket defence. Cork didn't play a sweeper so it was easy for Kerry to kick in long ball.
I'd say Armagh will be well up for this game despite the 7 day turnaround
which of the chosen 32 will get a game this week?
what is meant to be the limit on the number togged out?
it seems a bit mad to have more than an entire team togged out on the bench when you can only make what is it 5 subs?
sorry one last time, 32 lads togged out for a home qualifier v Louth!! Absolute mad-dog of the highest order.
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And yet Tyrone have used 32 players or 33 players in the championship so far! The only squad members who haven't featured are Dermot Carlin, Peter Hughes, Paddy McNeice and Conor McKenna and McKenna was only called into the squad in the week before the last match
Quote from: tiempo on July 06, 2014, 11:45:20 PM
which of the chosen 32 will get a game this week?
what is meant to be the limit on the number togged out?
it seems a bit mad to have more than an entire team togged out on the bench when you can only make what is it 5 subs?
sorry one last time, 32 lads togged out for a home qualifier v Louth!! Absolute mad-dog of the highest order.
Theres loads of things to get annoyed about, especially as a Tyrone fan, but togging out 32 players who have trained all year to give yourself as many options as possible is definitely not one of them.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2014, 09:32:25 AM
Quote from: tiempo on July 06, 2014, 11:45:20 PM
which of the chosen 32 will get a game this week?
what is meant to be the limit on the number togged out?
it seems a bit mad to have more than an entire team togged out on the bench when you can only make what is it 5 subs?
sorry one last time, 32 lads togged out for a home qualifier v Louth!! Absolute mad-dog of the highest order.
Theres loads of things to get annoyed about, especially as a Tyrone fan, but togging out 32 players who have trained all year to give yourself as many options as possible is definitely not one of them.
Well when tyrone are getting fined every time for every player over 26 that is named it seems a bit pointless
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 07, 2014, 09:37:48 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2014, 09:32:25 AM
Quote from: tiempo on July 06, 2014, 11:45:20 PM
which of the chosen 32 will get a game this week?
what is meant to be the limit on the number togged out?
it seems a bit mad to have more than an entire team togged out on the bench when you can only make what is it 5 subs?
sorry one last time, 32 lads togged out for a home qualifier v Louth!! Absolute mad-dog of the highest order.
Theres loads of things to get annoyed about, especially as a Tyrone fan, but togging out 32 players who have trained all year to give yourself as many options as possible is definitely not one of them.
Well when tyrone are getting fined every time for every player over 26 that is named it seems a bit pointless
Yes, but its not something i'd get too upset about.
Quote from: barelegs on July 07, 2014, 12:00:03 AM
And yet Tyrone have used 32 players or 33 players in the championship so far! The only squad members who haven't featured are Dermot Carlin, Peter Hughes, Paddy McNeice and Conor McKenna and McKenna was only called into the squad in the week before the last match
That's a staggering statistic when you think about it - to use 32 players in 4 championship games. I believe 25 different starters as well. Whatever about the previous successes of the current senior management, things are a complete an utter shambles at the minute.
And no run through the qualifers beating average sides should detract from that.
How much is the fine?
The Armagh lads certainly are playing the cute hoor card very well immediately after the game yesterday.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 07, 2014, 10:52:09 AM
How much is the fine?
The Armagh lads certainly are playing the cute hoor card very well immediately after the game yesterday.
Confidence is on the floor (again) after yesterday, well beaten.
Is Jamie Clarke finished his travelling now or will he be off of to the States or Aus if ye get knocked out?
How many times have the teams met now since 2005?
Armagh have nothing to loose. Well, except pride, which we will loose.
Quote from: rrhf on July 06, 2014, 08:52:46 PM
This is a 50 50 game for all the crap talked on here. Armagh will give us our fill of it.
Dry them!
Why is Aaron Kernan not getting his game these days?
What's young Findon like at MF.
Sure even if ye loose ye'll get the chance to call us a bunch of cheating diving cu*ts like the rest of the country so that must be worth something to ye.
I wonder will Mickey start his best 15. :P
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 07, 2014, 11:49:37 AM
Why is Aaron Kernan not getting his game these days?
What's young Findon like at MF.
Sure even if ye loose ye'll get the chance to call us a bunch of cheating diving c**ts like the rest of the country so that must be worth something to ye.
I wonder will Mickey start his best 15. :P
Dry them!
Dry what?
I'm not whinging. I'm facing up to the facts dude
Maybe it's time you moved over here (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=24810.0l)
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 07, 2014, 11:49:37 AM
Why is Aaron Kernan not getting his game these days?
What's young Findon like at MF.
Sure even if ye loose ye'll get the chance to call us a bunch of cheating diving c**ts like the rest of the country so that must be worth something to ye.
I wonder will Mickey start his best 15. :P
About as much worth as a sack of shit unfortunately.
We already know Tyrone are a shower of cheating diving c**nuts, further evidence is not needed, but will probably be provided anyway, unwanted and unasked for.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 07, 2014, 10:52:09 AM
How much is the fine?
The Armagh lads certainly are playing the cute hoor card very well immediately after the game yesterday.
Fuzzman seriously without acting the soft bollix how can anyone fancy Armagh next week? We just got beat yesterday and have 6 days to prepare to play a team who not only has had the measure of us but to play them in their own back yard....Micky Harte will know too that double up J Clarke (what every other team do) then our scoring threat is halved. I know Tyrone have dropped a bit in class but should have more than enough in their locker at home to beat Armagh.
illdecide - he knows rightly Tyrone will beat Armagh, best let him get on getting off pretending Tyrone are somehow up against it.
As a matter of interest do you miss the aul rivalry with Tyrone or are ye glad to be rid of it?
I saw Dermot Earley was bringing it up last night and said how we re-invented football back in 2002-3
Getting in yer excuses early I see Armaghniac.
Yis all seemed quite hopeful of beating Monaghan so how come the sudden downer?
I'd say there's a lot of lads in Tyrone would be happier to get put out now and get back to club football rather than wait to this time next month.
I wish that's all it took to get me off.
Giants collided at the Athletic Grounds and we got one almighty thud and one great game of football. But Ewan MacKenna saw that it was old dogs for a very hard road.
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Full-time: Armagh 1-13 Tyrone 0-19
It was fast and frantic with Armagh's next generation showing well, but in the end some old head's got the better of them. Stephen O'Neill, Martin Penrose, Colm Cavanagh and Joe McMahon rose to a serious challenge and after conceding an early goal and after conceding the lead in the final minutes, Tyrone calmly regrouped and showed serious composure. For them, Donegal await. For Armagh, the qualifiers await although despite defeat, if they can repeat that intensity and hunger, they may well be the best team in those qualifiers thus far.
15.56 – Throw-in moments away at a colourful and packed Athletics Ground so let's get straight to it and here are the teams..
Armagh: P McEvoy; A Mallon, B Donaghy, D McKenna; A Kernan, C McKeever, F Moriarty; K Toner, M Mackin; A Forker, K Dyas, A Duffy; J Clarke, B Mallon, C Rafferty.
Tyrone: P McConnell; A McCrory, Justin McMahon, D Carlin; C McCarron, C Gormley, S O'Neill; Joe McMahon, C Cavanagh; R McNabb, M Donnelly, P Harte; M Penrose, S O'Neill, O Mulligan.
Referee: J McQuillan (Cavan).
15.58 – Huge game as Tyrone don't want to follow Kerry into the qualifiers and into the category of a side that is past it. We don't think so, although this is a hard place to beat Armagh and the home side are hugely unpredictable. But there's a huge weight on the shoulders of Jamie Clarke, we wonder will they get him enough ball and we wonder if they can contain Peter Harte at wing-forward and a dangerous looking inside forward line of Mulligan, O'Neill and Penrose. The national anthem rings out and there's an empty seat/standing position in the house.
16.01 – 1 minute, Armagh 0-1 Tyrone 0-0: Brian Mallon fouled and scores the free himself. Refreshing to see a stadium packed for an early championship Sunday. Meanwhile Finian Moriarty on Peter Harte and Aidan McCrory on Jamie Clarke in two of the key match-ups.
16.02 – 2 mins, Armagh 0-1 Tyrone 0-1: Fast and frenetic as Joe McMahon hits a huge free over. In tactical news, Martin Penrose has dropped deep in the hope of isolating Stephen O'Neill and Owen Mulligan inside.
16.05 – 6 minutes, Armagh 0-1 Tyrone 0-2: Brian Mallon has started really well and only a great save denies him a goal as Justin McMahon mops the ball off the line. At the other end, Colm Cavanagh breaks from midfield and nails a great score. Huge intensity and pace, much more so than in the first game of the day. We are already licking our lips.
16.10 – 10 minutes, Armagh 1-1 Tyrone 0-3: There's no time to breath here. Aidan Forker on his championship debut goals. Great finish after the two corner-forwards set him up for a run through the middle. Brilliant from Armagh and that's pretty impressive from Tyrone as well as Colm Cavanagh sends the ball into the scattered clouds and it comes down over the bar.
16.12 – 13 minutes, Armagh 1-2 Tyrone 0-4: Good response from Tyrone as Owen Mulligan has them level but Jamie Clarke cancels it out. Tyrone look the more controlled but if Armagh can keep up this movement and pace, we are in for a serious game.
16.15 – 15 minutes, Armagh 1-2 Tyrone 0-6: He may look like a washed up Nascar driver, but he sure doesn't play like one. Mulligan with a dummy that has characterised his career and it buys him time and he lays off to Martin Penrose. Level. Peter Harte now with a good score. Tyrone ahead. Mulligan again with the assist.
16.18 – 18 minutes, Armagh 1-2 Tyrone 0-7: Now Peter Harte getting into it, Armagh can't handle his speed and he is fouled. Mulligan points. Ireland-Croatia will seem dull after this! Paul Duffy already in for Declan McKenna, says a lot about the trouble in the Armagh full-back line.
16.20 – 22 minutes, Armagh 1-3 Tyrone 0-8: Jamie Clarke is getting ball and he is surprisingly strong, holds off a challenge and we know he can finish. Best game of the year so far, by a massive distance and it doesn't let up. Stephen O'Neill sells a sweet dummy to Ciaran McKeever and then clips over on the right. Brilliant.
16.22 – 22 minutes, Armagh 1-4 Tyrone 0-8: Back up the other end, good passing and while Kevin Dyas has the hair of an Australian after his experience down under, he has the finish of a really good Gaelic footballer.
16.24 – 25 minutes, Armagh 1-5 Tyrone 0-8: If the Armagh full-back line is struggling, so is Aidan McCrory on Jamie Clarke as he gives away a free. Aidan Forker clips over. The half has flown and we are level once more.
16.27 – 28 minutes, Armagh 1-5 Tyrone 0-9: My fingers will be mere stubs if this keeps up. Colm Cavanagh has had a wonderful start, getting forward a lot. He sets up Mark Donnelly. Tyrone do look like a juggernaut and will be hard to stop. Armagh, as good as they've been, may need more goals to keep pace with this.
16.33 – 34 minutes, Armagh 1-5 Tyrone 0-10: Calmed down a little here with some ill-advised shooting although Martin Penrose does push Tyrone's lead to two. Elsewhere Seanie Johnston has kicked 0-5 on his debut for Kildare club St Kevin's in a Division Two match against Kilcock. We know you have your opinions on that. Meanwhile Tony Kernan about to replace Aaron Kernan whose hamstring looks to have gone. Huge blow.
16.37 – Half-time, Armagh 1-5 Tyrone 0-11: Lovely point from Dermot Carlin stretches the lead and Armagh need to stop this three-zip run soon or this could get away from them. Brian Mallon can't as he misses a 45′ with the last kick of the half. Great game, but Armagh need to rally to keep it that way. Back after the break.
16.55 – 36 minutes, Armagh 1-5 Tyrone 0-12: Aaron Kernan doesn't emerge for the second half, and it's Gavin McParland who replaces him. He goes to the half-forward line and Kevin Dyas drops back. More bad news for Armagh, who need a good start as we get back underway. It's close to getting away from them, especially as Martin Penrose wins a free and kicks the free. Meanwhile Justin McMahon has gone off for Tyrone, Joe McMahon has gone to full-back.
16.57 – 38 minutes, Armagh 1-6 Tyrone 0-12: Here we go again, the second half starts like the first, in a blur of bodies and scores. Brian Mallon pulls a much-needed point back with an easy free.
17.02 – 43 minutes, Armagh 1-7 Tyrone 0-13: Penrose free and Clarke replies but while Armagh are helter-skelter, Tyrone are winning ball around the middle and looking solid going forward.
17.07 – 48 minutes, Armagh 1-9 Tyrone 0-13: That's a lovely score from substitute Gavin McParland and it lifts the home crowd. It lifts the home side too although they fail to capitalise on three promising attacks and Aidan Forker is forced to go off as well with injury as Johnny Hanratty replaces him. But there's McParland again.
17.10 – 51 minutes, Armagh 1-9 Tyrone 0-14: Big score for Tyrone. Stephen O'Neill beats Brendan Donaghy down the line and it costs Armagh a free. Easy for Martin Penrose from the deadball. All of Tyrone's three scores this half have come in that fashion.
17.15 – 55 minutes, Armagh 1-9 Tyrone 0-15: How big a moment will that be? Stephen O'Neill might have goaled but slipped, however he has the where with all to lay it back to Penrose who extends the gap. And how big will this moment be? Kevin Dyas was booked two minutes ago now goes high on Peter Harte. It's another yellow. Crazy tackle. He's off.
17.17 – John Kingham comes on for Malachy Mackin who has been out of it in the second half. Kingham goes to full-forward though, change in style coming here. Meanwhile in Leinster, after an hour, Wexford 1-7 Longford 0-13.
17.19 – 60 minutes, Armagh 1-9 Tyrone 0-15: Tyrone have been the more assured team but still they aren't over the line, even as Jamie Clarke sends a free wide. However, if hope isn't turn into desperation on the part of the hosts and they don't have to go looking for a late goal, they need to get the next couple of points and relatively quick.
17.21 – 62 minutes, Armagh 1-10 Tyrone 0-15: There's one of them as the big lump that is John Kingham wins and free and Joe McMahon picks up a yellow. Easy free for Jamie Clarke. Game still on even if the crowd have gone flat.
17.22 – 63 minutes, Armagh 1-11 Tyrone 0-15: There's another one of them as Brian Mallon kicks a free from the hands. Now the crowd are awake.
17.25 – 66 minutes, Armagh 1-12 Tyrone 0-15: Gavin McParland has been immense on both sides of the ball. He turns over possession in one stretch of play, he wins a free in the next and in no small part down to him, his side have so much momentum. Owen Mulligan has gone, Niall McKenna takes his place. But all eyes are on Brian Mallon as he points from a free from the hands from outside of 45′.
17.28 – 69 minutes, Armagh 1-12 Tyrone 0-17: Peter Harte has been out of this game, wing-forward has been too peripheral for him but it's the sign of his class that he gets on the ball and kicks a score on the run. And now Mark Donnelly is fouled in front of the posts. What a telling couple of minutes as Penrose kicks the free. Game-winning, surely, and that took guts from Tyrone because they were on the ropes.
17.29 – 70 minutes, Armagh 1-12 Tyrone 0-17: We'll have four minutes of added time as Jamie Clarke kicks another wide, Armagh's 12th and that is costly. Still time though...
17.30 – 70+2 minutes, Armagh 1-13 Tyrone 0-18: Stephen O'Neill has been well marshaled this half but muscle memory there and a great score. Clarke responds, two to go, two between them...
17.33 – 70+4 minutes, Armagh 1-13 Tyrone 0-19: The old guard have really stood up here. Conor Gormley wins a free, clever from him, and Penrose pops it over. Tyrone won't be losing today but is there a goal and a draw in Armagh. Unlikely but there may be time for one last attack
17.34 – Full-time, Armagh 1-13 Tyrone 0-19: There's not, the referee blows it up from that kickout. Fine win and Tyrone will play Donegal in the Ulster semi-final.
Armagh's rivalry has always been with Down, it is only those who found football in 2003 think Armagh's rivalry was with Tyrone.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2014, 09:40:11 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 07, 2014, 09:37:48 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2014, 09:32:25 AM
Quote from: tiempo on July 06, 2014, 11:45:20 PM
which of the chosen 32 will get a game this week?
what is meant to be the limit on the number togged out?
it seems a bit mad to have more than an entire team togged out on the bench when you can only make what is it 5 subs?
sorry one last time, 32 lads togged out for a home qualifier v Louth!! Absolute mad-dog of the highest order.
Theres loads of things to get annoyed about, especially as a Tyrone fan, but togging out 32 players who have trained all year to give yourself as many options as possible is definitely not one of them.
Well when tyrone are getting fined every time for every player over 26 that is named it seems a bit pointless
Yes, but its not something i'd get too upset about.
At some point leading into a game I hope Mickey is thinking about what to do in scenario A, scenario B, etc. But I can't see how having 32 players togged out helps. At the end of the day someone in that team photo is 32nd pick, someone is 31st pick, someone is 30th pick, why have these lads involved if they aren't going to get on? I don't believe that they are all sat there with an equal chance of getting on, Mickey proved that in 08 by bringing Stevie O'Neill back for the All-Ireland Final.
While I'm on about Stevie, he was the only player who played that weekends club fixtures between the Monaghan & Lough game. Why could the likes of Peter Hughes or Dermy Carlin not got a game with their clubs as they aren't getting any with Tyrone currently despite togging out? Joe McMahon went from no football since last August/September to togging out v Down, to not playing for Omagh, then coming on v Louth without a game in 8 months. Meanwile players are wearing bras under their jerseys to monitor performance. I'm sorry but Darren McCurry doesn't need to wear a bra to kick points (if it makes him happy and he kicks more then I'm all for it!).
How many can you actually put on a teamsheet? It used to be 24, possibly 25 or 26 now, so all the other lads no matter if they're togged out or not won't get a run out.
Quote from: Zip Code on July 07, 2014, 02:01:16 PM
Armagh's rivalry has always been with Down, it is only those who found football in 2003 think Armagh's rivalry was with Tyrone.
How do Down see it? Seeing as Armagh won far less than them would they take it seriously ?
3pm on Sunday
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Sunday July 13th, 2014
GAA Football All Ireland Senior Championship 2014 Round 2B
3 00 PM
Tyrone vs. Armagh
Healy Park, Omagh
Referee: TBC
Extra time playable
Quote from: Zip Code on July 07, 2014, 02:01:16 PM
Armagh's rivalry has always been with Down, it is only those who found football in 2003 think Armagh's rivalry was with Tyrone.
I've worked with Armagh fans (Maghery/Milltown/Annaghmore, Armagh city, Keady, Granmore, Lurgan, Portadown) since the ninety's and they've always slated Tyrone more than ever worring about Down. There was alot off huffing done after the 2002 final, but in 2003 we got the Monday Tuesday off (no credit crunch then). Would have to admit the banter makes it all worth while. For this match I think everyone feels on both sides if either team wins in Omagh not much will be happening this year.
6 day turnaround makes this game awful difficult for Armagh, hard to see anything other than a Tyrone win
Quote from: Zip Code on July 07, 2014, 02:01:16 PM
Armagh's rivalry has always been with Down, it is only those who found football in 2003 think Armagh's rivalry was with Tyrone.
In fairness Armagh and Down are at a similar level these days...
Quote from: EC Unique on July 07, 2014, 03:25:32 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on July 07, 2014, 02:01:16 PM
Armagh's rivalry has always been with Down, it is only those who found football in 2003 think Armagh's rivalry was with Tyrone.
In fairness Armagh and Down are at a similar level these days...
And Tyrone!
Quote from: EC Unique on July 07, 2014, 03:25:32 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on July 07, 2014, 02:01:16 PM
Armagh's rivalry has always been with Down, it is only those who found football in 2003 think Armagh's rivalry was with Tyrone.
In fairness Armagh and Down are at a similar level these days...
As are Tyrone - none of these teams will have many games left this summer.
It's only now I can appreciate the Armagh games. Hated them at the time.
Hard to think which one was the most enjoyable. Maybe the McKenna Cup game in Casement when 90'000 turned up on a snowy January day.
Best memory - the '05 semi.
Worst memory - the '02 replay defeat
The '05 Ulster final defeat didn't bother me that much as you still thought Tyrone could win the AI.
Other memories - the Mugsy goal after about 10 seconds in '01. The NFL game in 2003 in Omagh. The drawn final in '05 when O'Neill tormented Bellew but the cuteness of McConville and McDonnell kept Armagh in it.
Quote from: Zip Code on July 07, 2014, 02:01:16 PM
Armagh's rivalry has always been with Down, it is only those who found football in 2003 think Armagh's rivalry was with Tyrone.
Rubbish. Depends what part of the County you live in, where you went to school etc.
nah plunkett runnin 2 mile to score a goal in 94 :)
Highs for me were beating them in the 2005 semi final,the 2003 final and McGuigans 11 points in 84.
Lows were Irvinestown in 87 and the 05 Ulster final replay.
While it was sweet to beat Tyrone on our way to Sam in 2002, and snatch the Anglo Celt from their red Mits in 2005, neither compares to the five goals in the Ulster semi final in 1987 in Irvinestown (could you imagine an ulster semi final being staged in such a venue nowadays) which sent Tyrone packing and abruptly shattered their ridiculous illusion to return to Croke Park to collect the Sam they'd left behind the previous season! ;D
To be fair Tony I don't think many Tyrone fans expected to get back to the final especially after struggling badly against Antrim in our first game.That said,none of us could see a 12 point thumping coming against Armagh either.
From memory I recall Mugsy looking a lot like Butch Dingle from Emmerdale when he scored that goal in 2001. Hai bleach wasn't around then, simpler times.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 07, 2014, 06:49:15 PM
While it was sweet to beat Tyrone on our way to Sam in 2002, and snatch the Anglo Celt from their red Mits in 2005, neither compares to the five goals in the Ulster semi final in 1987 in Irvinestown (could you imagine an ulster semi final being staged in such a venue nowadays) which sent Tyrone packing and abruptly shattered their ridiculous illusion to return to Croke Park to collect the Sam they'd left behind the previous season! ;D
Yeah, must feel even better than beating your neighbour in the All-Ireland final, then beating them in the semi-final two years later on your way to Sam again
Cormac Reilly is the ref on Sunday
Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
It's only now I can appreciate the Armagh games. Hated them at the time.
Hard to think which one was the most enjoyable. Maybe the McKenna Cup game in Casement when 90'000 turned up on a snowy January day.
Best memory - the '05 semi.
Worst memory - the '02 replay defeat
The '05 Ulster final defeat didn't bother me that much as you still thought Tyrone could win the AI.
Other memories - the Mugsy goal after about 10 seconds in '01. The NFL game in 2003 in Omagh. The drawn final in '05 when O'Neill tormented Bellew but the cuteness of McConville and McDonnell kept Armagh in it.
I think this is the 250th time you have said that on here since 2005 - my best memory was the 2002. I always thought it was sweet especially the teams we beat to win the All-Ireland but as this message board grew and some of the bitter wee men from Tyrone signed up with the invention of football in 2003, it has become all the more sweeter as they really do resent, no matter what they say, that we won it before them. It is great that it hurts them that much, yeah yeah 3 All-Irelands, cheated Armagh in 2003 and continue to ply your cheating trade, the whole country now sees you for what you are, now dry them. ;D
Quote from: ardchieftain on July 07, 2014, 05:31:16 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on July 07, 2014, 02:01:16 PM
Armagh's rivalry has always been with Down, it is only those who found football in 2003 think Armagh's rivalry was with Tyrone.
Rubbish. Depends what part of the County you live in, where you went to school etc.
Or what age you are. ;)
Quote from: Zip Code on July 07, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
It's only now I can appreciate the Armagh games. Hated them at the time.
Hard to think which one was the most enjoyable. Maybe the McKenna Cup game in Casement when 90'000 turned up on a snowy January day.
Best memory - the '05 semi.
Worst memory - the '02 replay defeat
The '05 Ulster final defeat didn't bother me that much as you still thought Tyrone could win the AI.
Other memories - the Mugsy goal after about 10 seconds in '01. The NFL game in 2003 in Omagh. The drawn final in '05 when O'Neill tormented Bellew but the cuteness of McConville and McDonnell kept Armagh in it.
I think this is the 250th time you have said that on here since 2005 - my best memory was the 2002. I always thought it was sweet especially the teams we beat to win the All-Ireland but as this message board grew and some of the bitter wee men from Tyrone signed up with the invention of football in 2003, it has become all the more sweeter as they really do resent, no matter what they say, that we won it before them. It is great that it hurts them that much, yeah yeah 3 All-Irelands, cheated Armagh in 2003 and continue to ply your cheating trade, the whole country now sees you for what you are, now dry them. ;D
God damn it...
In order of sweetness
03 and putting football back on the map
05 semi and righting one of footballs greatest wrongs
89 and taking out the Lynch mob
84 and the Mc Guigan.. Whilst the Armagh men gouled "are yes not gonna hit that fcuker.." couldnt get near the King.
Canavan's Mc Kenna cup final: Armagh won that day in 91 but we just knew that we had the greatest 20 year old in the history of the game. A10 point haul that had the hardest Armagh fans cooing in envy.... it was wee Peters second game that day. It was to be the sign of things to come.
Worst:
and its a festival here for Armagh.... Shane Skelton and co put Irvinestown on the map.
The big Diver. 91 and a horrible dive ends Colm Donaghys Dream comeback. He gets the line for an off the ball dive by was it Mc Quillan? Game ends in farce as a 40 yard Raymond Munroe Goal gets disqualified as Mc Alinden didnt see it coming..
Ulster final 05. As painful as it was, we felt revenge would be instant and gratifying... and so it was..
The 02 draw. Only for big Richie dropping his contact lens,that single page in history may never have been written..
Quote from: ardchieftain on July 07, 2014, 05:31:16 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on July 07, 2014, 02:01:16 PM
Armagh's rivalry has always been with Down, it is only those who found football in 2003 think Armagh's rivalry was with Tyrone.
Rubbish. Depends what part of the County you live in, where you went to school etc.
For my neck of the woods, its always been Down.
Quote from: Zip Code on July 07, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
It's only now I can appreciate the Armagh games. Hated them at the time.
Hard to think which one was the most enjoyable. Maybe the McKenna Cup game in Casement when 90'000 turned up on a snowy January day.
Best memory - the '05 semi.
Worst memory - the '02 replay defeat
The '05 Ulster final defeat didn't bother me that much as you still thought Tyrone could win the AI.
Other memories - the Mugsy goal after about 10 seconds in '01. The NFL game in 2003 in Omagh. The drawn final in '05 when O'Neill tormented Bellew but the cuteness of McConville and McDonnell kept Armagh in it.
I think this is the 250th time you have said that on here since 2005 - my best memory was the 2002. I always thought it was sweet especially the teams we beat to win the All-Ireland but as this message board grew and some of the bitter wee men from Tyrone signed up with the invention of football in 2003, it has become all the more sweeter as they really do resent, no matter what they say, that we won it before them. It is great that it hurts them that much, yeah yeah 3 All-Irelands, cheated Armagh in 2003 and continue to ply your cheating trade, the whole country now sees you for what you are, now dry them. ;D
You're deluded, kid. Face it, when it really counted, just like Kerry, you couldn't beat us, and that's what galls the buckfast brigade.
Favourite moment? So many against a county that has become our bitch, but honourable mention to big Sean's shoulder on the boul Francie in the 2005 semi-final.
Quote from: Zip Code on July 07, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
It's only now I can appreciate the Armagh games. Hated them at the time.
Hard to think which one was the most enjoyable. Maybe the McKenna Cup game in Casement when 90'000 turned up on a snowy January day.
Best memory - the '05 semi.
Worst memory - the '02 replay defeat
The '05 Ulster final defeat didn't bother me that much as you still thought Tyrone could win the AI.
Other memories - the Mugsy goal after about 10 seconds in '01. The NFL game in 2003 in Omagh. The drawn final in '05 when O'Neill tormented Bellew but the cuteness of McConville and McDonnell kept Armagh in it.
I think this is the 250th time you have said that on here since 2005 - my best memory was the 2002. I always thought it was sweet especially the teams we beat to win the All-Ireland but as this message board grew and some of the bitter wee men from Tyrone signed up with the invention of football in 2003, it has become all the more sweeter as they really do resent, no matter what they say, that we won it before them. It is great that it hurts them that much, yeah yeah 3 All-Irelands, cheated Armagh in 2003 and continue to ply your cheating trade, the whole country now sees you for what you are, now dry them. ;D
I'd much prefer three all Ireland's to one.
I liked the winning point againist Armagh in 05, mugsy's face as he's tellin Canavan "I don't mind.. I don't mind". If Mc Keever had been a Tyrone defender then and gave away a penatly and the match winning score, his ears would still be warm from people talking about him.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2014, 09:29:47 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on July 07, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
It's only now I can appreciate the Armagh games. Hated them at the time.
Hard to think which one was the most enjoyable. Maybe the McKenna Cup game in Casement when 90'000 turned up on a snowy January day.
Best memory - the '05 semi.
Worst memory - the '02 replay defeat
The '05 Ulster final defeat didn't bother me that much as you still thought Tyrone could win the AI.
Other memories - the Mugsy goal after about 10 seconds in '01. The NFL game in 2003 in Omagh. The drawn final in '05 when O'Neill tormented Bellew but the cuteness of McConville and McDonnell kept Armagh in it.
I think this is the 250th time you have said that on here since 2005 - my best memory was the 2002. I always thought it was sweet especially the teams we beat to win the All-Ireland but as this message board grew and some of the bitter wee men from Tyrone signed up with the invention of football in 2003, it has become all the more sweeter as they really do resent, no matter what they say, that we won it before them. It is great that it hurts them that much, yeah yeah 3 All-Irelands, cheated Armagh in 2003 and continue to ply your cheating trade, the whole country now sees you for what you are, now dry them. ;D
I'd much prefer three all Ireland's to one.
And I think it will remain at 1 for a very very long time. I doubt any of us here will ever see Armagh lift Sam again but we see Tyrone lift it plenty of times. Armagh are gone and they ain't coming back anytime soon while Tyrone will always be there or thereabouts.
Big Sean's goal in 02 to level the first game was sweet and while he was always a great prospect little did we know at the time how great he was going to be.
In hindsight I actually enjoyed losing the 2005 Ulster Final in the circumstances that we did. I was 100% convinced coming out of Croker that day that we would beat them if our paths crossed later in the year. The whole town and country knew we were the better team, except Armagh fans, who convinced themselves that they had our number. It was that hope that killed them in the end. :D
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2014, 10:07:16 PM
In hindsight I actually enjoyed losing the 2005 Ulster Final in the circumstances that we did. I was 100% convinced coming out of Croker that day that we would beat them if our paths crossed later in the year. The whole town and country knew we were the better team, except Armagh fans, who convinced themselves that they had our number. It was that hope that killed them in the end. :D
+1 My thoughts exactly as I left Croke Park and the Buckfast legions were rubbing it in ... I just knew there would be a reckoning down the line. I enjoyed the semi win in 2005 as much as our three final wins (that's
three, Armagh wans) ;D
Quote from: rrhf on July 07, 2014, 09:04:00 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on July 07, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
It's only now I can appreciate the Armagh games. Hated them at the time.
Hard to think which one was the most enjoyable. Maybe the McKenna Cup game in Casement when 90'000 turned up on a snowy January day.
Best memory - the '05 semi.
Worst memory - the '02 replay defeat
The '05 Ulster final defeat didn't bother me that much as you still thought Tyrone could win the AI.
Other memories - the Mugsy goal after about 10 seconds in '01. The NFL game in 2003 in Omagh. The drawn final in '05 when O'Neill tormented Bellew but the cuteness of McConville and McDonnell kept Armagh in it.
I think this is the 250th time you have said that on here since 2005 - my best memory was the 2002. I always thought it was sweet especially the teams we beat to win the All-Ireland but as this message board grew and some of the bitter wee men from Tyrone signed up with the invention of football in 2003, it has become all the more sweeter as they really do resent, no matter what they say, that we won it before them. It is great that it hurts them that much, yeah yeah 3 All-Irelands, cheated Armagh in 2003 and continue to ply your cheating trade, the whole country now sees you for what you are, now dry them. ;D
God damn it...
In order of sweetness
03 and putting football back on the map
05 semi and righting one of footballs greatest wrongs
89 and taking out the Lynch mob
84 and the Mc Guigan.. Whilst the Armagh men gouled "are yes not gonna hit that fcuker.." couldnt get near the King.
Canavan's Mc Kenna cup final: Armagh won that day in 91 but we just knew that we had the greatest 20 year old in the history of the game. A10 point haul that had the hardest Armagh fans cooing in envy.... it was wee Peters second game that day. It was to be the sign of things to come.
Worst:
and its a festival here for Armagh.... Shane Skelton and co put Irvinestown on the map.
The big Diver. 91 and a horrible dive ends Colm Donaghys Dream comeback. He gets the line for an off the ball dive by was it Mc Quillan? Game ends in farce as a 40 yard Raymond Munroe Goal gets disqualified as Mc Alinden didnt see it coming..
Ulster final 05. As painful as it was, we felt revenge would be instant and gratifying... and so it was..
The 02 draw. Only for big Richie dropping his contact lens,that single page in history may never have been written..
I think you've got 2 games mixed up there in the early 90's. The day colm donaghy got sent off ended in a draw and Armagh won the replay with Houllie getting a goal. I'm not sure of it was 91 or 93.
I think it was possibly 1990 that tyrone got a goal disallowed in the athletic grounds from 45 and Armagh won that game.
Quote from: Zip Code on July 07, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
It's only now I can appreciate the Armagh games. Hated them at the time.
Hard to think which one was the most enjoyable. Maybe the McKenna Cup game in Casement when 90'000 turned up on a snowy January day.
Best memory - the '05 semi.
Worst memory - the '02 replay defeat
The '05 Ulster final defeat didn't bother me that much as you still thought Tyrone could win the AI.
Other memories - the Mugsy goal after about 10 seconds in '01. The NFL game in 2003 in Omagh. The drawn final in '05 when O'Neill tormented Bellew but the cuteness of McConville and McDonnell kept Armagh in it.
I think this is the 250th time you have said that on here since 2005
But you only registered a month ago.
Quote from: Rodman on July 07, 2014, 09:50:01 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2014, 09:29:47 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on July 07, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
It's only now I can appreciate the Armagh games. Hated them at the time.
Hard to think which one was the most enjoyable. Maybe the McKenna Cup game in Casement when 90'000 turned up on a snowy January day.
Best memory - the '05 semi.
Worst memory - the '02 replay defeat
The '05 Ulster final defeat didn't bother me that much as you still thought Tyrone could win the AI.
Other memories - the Mugsy goal after about 10 seconds in '01. The NFL game in 2003 in Omagh. The drawn final in '05 when O'Neill tormented Bellew but the cuteness of McConville and McDonnell kept Armagh in it.
I think this is the 250th time you have said that on here since 2005 - my best memory was the 2002. I always thought it was sweet especially the teams we beat to win the All-Ireland but as this message board grew and some of the bitter wee men from Tyrone signed up with the invention of football in 2003, it has become all the more sweeter as they really do resent, no matter what they say, that we won it before them. It is great that it hurts them that much, yeah yeah 3 All-Irelands, cheated Armagh in 2003 and continue to ply your cheating trade, the whole country now sees you for what you are, now dry them. ;D
I'd much prefer three all Ireland's to one.
And I think it will remain at 1 for a very very long time. I doubt any of us here will ever see Armagh lift Sam again but we see Tyrone lift it plenty of times. Armagh are gone and they ain't coming back anytime soon while Tyrone will always be there or thereabouts.
Rodman catch a grip
You guys are like us
Also rans
I am sure Dublin Donegal and Kerry are quaking in their boots.
I just realised why I hate Tyrone when I hear crap from the redhand hordes
Yep, playing Tyrone or Armagh doesn't put the fear into any decent side now.
In Tyrone's favour, they haven't exited to a middlin side in a few years. Laois and Meath in 06/07 I suppose. They were the post-Canavan years.
If Tyrone lose to Armagh on Sunday then that's all the confirmation we need.
However, I think Tyrone will have too much this weekend. That Armagh MF lad...Fenton?? - seems a decent fielder.
f**k it's gonna be a long wee in here!!!
Know I'm probably going over old ground here,but as Joe Kernan said in his book,without a shadow of a doubt had Marsden stayed on the field in 03 Armagh's traditionally strong finish would have made it two Sams in a row, and the 05 semi could have gone either way.
Tyrone's legacy of one All Ireland win proper and two back doors was puke football in a horrific era for our native games from which we are only beginning to emerge.Was there ever an uglier game than the 2003 All Ireland semi final.Contrast this with the late great Jock Stein's comments after Lisbon when he said that it was the way his side won the European Cup (pure beautiful inventive football) that gave him more pride and pleasure than merely winning it.
I will be surprised if Tyrone don't win on Sunday,but it matters little as both sides are well off the Ulster pace never mind All Irelands.
Quote from: naka on July 07, 2014, 10:52:01 PM
Quote from: Rodman on July 07, 2014, 09:50:01 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2014, 09:29:47 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on July 07, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
It's only now I can appreciate the Armagh games. Hated them at the time.
Hard to think which one was the most enjoyable. Maybe the McKenna Cup game in Casement when 90'000 turned up on a snowy January day.
Best memory - the '05 semi.
Worst memory - the '02 replay defeat
The '05 Ulster final defeat didn't bother me that much as you still thought Tyrone could win the AI.
Other memories - the Mugsy goal after about 10 seconds in '01. The NFL game in 2003 in Omagh. The drawn final in '05 when O'Neill tormented Bellew but the cuteness of McConville and McDonnell kept Armagh in it.
I think this is the 250th time you have said that on here since 2005 - my best memory was the 2002. I always thought it was sweet especially the teams we beat to win the All-Ireland but as this message board grew and some of the bitter wee men from Tyrone signed up with the invention of football in 2003, it has become all the more sweeter as they really do resent, no matter what they say, that we won it before them. It is great that it hurts them that much, yeah yeah 3 All-Irelands, cheated Armagh in 2003 and continue to ply your cheating trade, the whole country now sees you for what you are, now dry them. ;D
I'd much prefer three all Ireland's to one.
And I think it will remain at 1 for a very very long time. I doubt any of us here will ever see Armagh lift Sam again but we see Tyrone lift it plenty of times. Armagh are gone and they ain't coming back anytime soon while Tyrone will always be there or thereabouts.
Rodman catch a grip
You guys are like us
Also rans
I am sure Dublin Donegal and Kerry are quaking in their boots.
I just realised why I hate Tyrone when I hear crap from the redhand hordes
Semi-final last year, will probably make the q/f's every year for the foreseeable future. Might sneak into a final or two and win one. Can't see Armagh getting anywhere near a Q/F for the next 10 years. It's sad really as I really enjoyed those years playing Armagh when they were a force.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 07, 2014, 11:40:33 PM
Know I'm probably going over old ground here,but as Joe Kernan said in his book,without a shadow of a doubt had Marsden stayed on the field in 03 Armagh's traditionally strong finish would have made it two Sams in a row, and the 05 semi could have gone either way.
He would have probably taken him off anyway.
It will be great to play a competitive Armagh. Nine years is too long. A classic case of big new pitch small ket team syndrome.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 07, 2014, 11:40:33 PM
Know I'm probably going over old ground here,but as Joe Kernan said in his book,without a shadow of a doubt had Marsden stayed on the field in 03
Why, what happened?
Seriously lads ffs is this gonna be a beat your chest week...what happened in previous matches has nothing to do with Sunday's game.
Quote from: illdecide on July 08, 2014, 12:20:18 AM
Seriously lads ffs is this gonna be a beat your chest week...what happened in previous matches has nothing to do with Sunday's game.
+1
Quote from: Zip Code on July 07, 2014, 08:52:17 PM
Quote from: ardchieftain on July 07, 2014, 05:31:16 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on July 07, 2014, 02:01:16 PM
Armagh's rivalry has always been with Down, it is only those who found football in 2003 think Armagh's rivalry was with Tyrone.
Rubbish. Depends what part of the County you live in, where you went to school etc.
Or what age you are. ;)
Aye, fair enough, you can add age to it if you wish and if you're implying that i only took a serious dislike for themmuns in the noughties you'd be wrong by about two decades.
Quote from: ONeill on July 08, 2014, 12:03:14 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on July 07, 2014, 11:40:33 PM
Know I'm probably going over old ground here,but as Joe Kernan said in his book,without a shadow of a doubt had Marsden stayed on the field in 03
Why, what happened?
Oh he punched Philly Jordan and got the line... the apple munchers keep saying it wasn't a hard enough punch
Have to say altho I wasn't in the country during much of the golden years I enjoy the Armagh ones, always a bit o craic with them unlike the inbreds to the north of us whose general response to a bit of slagging is to get thick
Quote from: T Fearon on July 07, 2014, 11:40:33 PM
Know I'm probably going over old ground here,but as Joe Kernan said in his book,without a shadow of a doubt had Marsden stayed on the field in 03 Armagh's traditionally strong finish would have made it two Sams in a row, and the 05 semi could have gone either way.
Tyrone's legacy of one All Ireland win proper and two back doors was puke football in a horrific era for our native games from which we are only beginning to emerge.Was there ever an uglier game than the 2003 All Ireland semi final.Contrast this with the late great Jock Stein's comments after Lisbon when he said that it was the way his side won the European Cup (pure beautiful inventive football) that gave him more pride and pleasure than merely winning it.
I will be surprised if Tyrone don't win on Sunday,but it matters little as both sides are well off the Ulster pace never mind All Irelands.
Indeed it is old ground Tony, but every now and then it's great to be reminded of how much Tyrone's All Ireland victories eat away at you Armagh lads. It's almost as if the circumstances of the 2003 victory has removed the joy you lads experienced in 2002 and you can't look back at that win without reliving the pain, regret and, most satisfyingly for us, the hatred and jealousy of 2003/05. Sometimes it feels like we have actually stolen the 2002 victory away from you as you can't enjoy it for what it was and move on, and I feel a little bit bad about that......but I soon get over it and laugh!
No one ever mentions 2004 and the same-day quarter-final shockers. That was one that got away for either. Kerry won her handy enough that year.
Yea that was a mad day alright.
Who comes in for Harte? Joe start?
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 08, 2014, 07:30:30 AM
No one ever mentions 2004 and the same-day quarter-final shockers. That was one that got away for either. Kerry won her handy enough that year.
Very true, i think both tyrone & armagh took their eye off the ball that year, it could quite easily have been 2 for armagh or 4 for tyrone
Quote from: Rodman on July 07, 2014, 09:50:01 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2014, 09:29:47 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on July 07, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
It's only now I can appreciate the Armagh games. Hated them at the time.
Hard to think which one was the most enjoyable. Maybe the McKenna Cup game in Casement when 90'000 turned up on a snowy January day.
Best memory - the '05 semi.
Worst memory - the '02 replay defeat
The '05 Ulster final defeat didn't bother me that much as you still thought Tyrone could win the AI.
Other memories - the Mugsy goal after about 10 seconds in '01. The NFL game in 2003 in Omagh. The drawn final in '05 when O'Neill tormented Bellew but the cuteness of McConville and McDonnell kept Armagh in it.
I think this is the 250th time you have said that on here since 2005 - my best memory was the 2002. I always thought it was sweet especially the teams we beat to win the All-Ireland but as this message board grew and some of the bitter wee men from Tyrone signed up with the invention of football in 2003, it has become all the more sweeter as they really do resent, no matter what they say, that we won it before them. It is great that it hurts them that much, yeah yeah 3 All-Irelands, cheated Armagh in 2003 and continue to ply your cheating trade, the whole country now sees you for what you are, now dry them. ;D
I'd much prefer three all Ireland's to one.
And I think it will remain at 1 for a very very long time. I doubt any of us here will ever see Armagh lift Sam again but we see Tyrone lift it plenty of times. Armagh are gone and they ain't coming back anytime soon while Tyrone will always be there or thereabouts.
What a completely stupid statement.
Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2014, 10:49:22 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on July 07, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
It's only now I can appreciate the Armagh games. Hated them at the time.
Hard to think which one was the most enjoyable. Maybe the McKenna Cup game in Casement when 90'000 turned up on a snowy January day.
Best memory - the '05 semi.
Worst memory - the '02 replay defeat
The '05 Ulster final defeat didn't bother me that much as you still thought Tyrone could win the AI.
Other memories - the Mugsy goal after about 10 seconds in '01. The NFL game in 2003 in Omagh. The drawn final in '05 when O'Neill tormented Bellew but the cuteness of McConville and McDonnell kept Armagh in it.
I think this is the 250th time you have said that on here since 2005
But you only registered a month ago.
And you have 6 or 7 users registered - what's your point?
Quote from: Rodman on July 07, 2014, 11:49:24 PM
Quote from: naka on July 07, 2014, 10:52:01 PM
Quote from: Rodman on July 07, 2014, 09:50:01 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2014, 09:29:47 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on July 07, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
It's only now I can appreciate the Armagh games. Hated them at the time.
Hard to think which one was the most enjoyable. Maybe the McKenna Cup game in Casement when 90'000 turned up on a snowy January day.
Best memory - the '05 semi.
Worst memory - the '02 replay defeat
The '05 Ulster final defeat didn't bother me that much as you still thought Tyrone could win the AI.
Other memories - the Mugsy goal after about 10 seconds in '01. The NFL game in 2003 in Omagh. The drawn final in '05 when O'Neill tormented Bellew but the cuteness of McConville and McDonnell kept Armagh in it.
I think this is the 250th time you have said that on here since 2005 - my best memory was the 2002. I always thought it was sweet especially the teams we beat to win the All-Ireland but as this message board grew and some of the bitter wee men from Tyrone signed up with the invention of football in 2003, it has become all the more sweeter as they really do resent, no matter what they say, that we won it before them. It is great that it hurts them that much, yeah yeah 3 All-Irelands, cheated Armagh in 2003 and continue to ply your cheating trade, the whole country now sees you for what you are, now dry them. ;D
I'd much prefer three all Ireland's to one.
And I think it will remain at 1 for a very very long time. I doubt any of us here will ever see Armagh lift Sam again but we see Tyrone lift it plenty of times. Armagh are gone and they ain't coming back anytime soon while Tyrone will always be there or thereabouts.
Rodman catch a grip
You guys are like us
Also rans
I am sure Dublin Donegal and Kerry are quaking in their boots.
I just realised why I hate Tyrone when I hear crap from the redhand hordes
Semi-final last year, will probably make the q/f's every year for the foreseeable future. Might sneak into a final or two and win one. Can't see Armagh getting anywhere near a Q/F for the next 10 years. It's sad really as I really enjoyed those years playing Armagh when they were a force.
I take it you are 12 or 13.
2005 semi had it all. As somebody mentioned earlier big Sean putting wee Francie on his ass with a mighty shoulder was nice but for me Canavan splitting the post after McKeever's stupid foul made the year. Beating Kerry in the final was an anti-climax after the semi. 8)
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Quote from: omaghjoe on July 08, 2014, 03:33:25 AM
Have to say altho I wasn't in the country during much of the golden years I enjoy the Armagh ones, always a bit o craic with them unlike the inbreds to the north of us whose general response to a bit of slagging is to get thick
Here u complete arsehole, are you looking a slap??? ;)
Any hope at all that Armagh could do us a favour and win this game so we don't have to face Tyrone four years in a row - if we get past Cavan of course.
Quote from: Zip Code on July 08, 2014, 09:57:45 AM
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Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
It's only now I can appreciate the Armagh games. Hated them at the time.
Hard to think which one was the most enjoyable. Maybe the McKenna Cup game in Casement when 90'000 turned up on a snowy January day.
Best memory - the '05 semi.
Worst memory - the '02 replay defeat
The '05 Ulster final defeat didn't bother me that much as you still thought Tyrone could win the AI.
Other memories - the Mugsy goal after about 10 seconds in '01. The NFL game in 2003 in Omagh. The drawn final in '05 when O'Neill tormented Bellew but the cuteness of McConville and McDonnell kept Armagh in it.
I think this is the 250th time you have said that on here since 2005
But you only registered a month ago.
And you have 6 or 7 users registered - what's your point?
Alrighty then. Hmm. School holidays by any chance?
McCrory on Jamie?
It cannot be argued that Tyrone have 3 All-Irelands to Armagh's 1. Well done and all that. 2 things though...
2003, as someone has already mentioned, Marsden getting the line was pivotal. Phillip Jordan had a great career and was a great player, but what he did that day was an act of cowardice deliberately getting a fellow player sent off when he was the initial aggressor who charged at Marsden. Marsden only raised his hands in protection. That had a major bearing on the game and deflated Armagh as much as it boosted Tyrone. I was at a blitz in Moy a couple of years ago where he was giving out trophies to the young lads, I'm sure he is a nice enough guy but I could hardly bring myself to look at him...such is my feelings about the incident to this day. >:(
2005, Tyronies saying that they were so sure that Tyrone were the better side and KNEW that they would beat Armagh. Maybe your memories of that game are different but there was one reason and one reason only why Tyrone won that game. It was not the brilliance of Tyrone or a master stroke from Harte...it was the inexplicable decision of Kernan to call Geezer ashore which gave Tyrone carte Blanche to move at will through the centre of our defence. Sean Cavanagh has publicly said so himself that this was the winning of the game.
So again well done, we are left with 'if onlys'.....
Around Sunday's game I find it hard to envisage and Armagh win. Not because we are not good enough per say but rather...
1. We are coming off the back of a defeat (7 day turnaround)
2. Tyrone are coming off a victory (14 day turnaround)
3. It's in Omagh
We need 'a man with a plan' who can make the most of what we have. Grimley will prob go, will it be Geezer? Will it be Tony Mac? someone else??
Quote from: you take er! on July 08, 2014, 02:55:26 PM
It cannot be argued that Tyrone have 3 All-Irelands to Armagh's 1. Well done and all that. 2 things though...
2003, as someone has already mentioned, Marsden getting the line was pivotal. Phillip Jordan had a great career and was a great player, but what he did that day was an act of cowardice deliberately getting a fellow player sent off when he was the initial aggressor who charged at Marsden. Marsden only raised his hands in protection. That had a major bearing on the game and deflated Armagh as much as it boosted Tyrone. I was at a blitz in Moy a couple of years ago where he was giving out trophies to the young lads, I'm sure he is a nice enough guy but I could hardly bring myself to look at him...such is my feelings about the incident to this day. >:(
2005, Tyronies saying that they were so sure that Tyrone were the better side and KNEW that they would beat Armagh. Maybe your memories of that game are different but there was one reason and one reason only why Tyrone won that game. It was not the brilliance of Tyrone or a master stroke from Harte...it was the inexplicable decision of Kernan to call Geezer ashore which gave Tyrone carte Blanche to move at will through our defence. Sean Cavanagh has publicly said so himself that this was the winning of the game.
So again well done, we are left with 'if onlys'.....
Around Sunday's game I find it hard to envisage and Armagh win. Not because we are not good enough per say but rather...
1. We are coming off the back of a defeat (7 day turnaround)
2. Tyrone are coming off a victory 14 day (turnaround)
3. It's in Omagh
We need 'a man with a plan' who can make the most of what we have. Grimley will prob go, will it be Geezer? Will it be Tony Mac? someone else??
I love listening to the Armagh postings from these games - it makes me feel warm inside. Anyway, the bold bit, even if this was the case, then we still won the game as your manager shit his pants and panicked when the game was there to be won. Therefore, YOU WEREN'T GOOD ENOUGH as a squad and management.
Roll back to the board 2010 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16929.msg847083;topicseen#msg847083)
5 or 6 lines from the bottom for those of you who are lazy and won't read long posts
Some questions I STILL have 11 years later after the Marsden incident that I have asked before.
Under what grounds did he get his suspension appealed?
So having watched it several times since how can anyone still say that Marsden just raised his hands to in protection and Jordan ran into his closed fist? Did Jordan have his fists clenched or throw a punch?
To me Tyrone were 2nd best to Armagh in the semifinal having outplayed them twice before so I can totally understand how hard it was for them to lose that game.
I really miss the intensity of those games in recent years as nothing has come close to replacing that feeling of so much at stake and fear of losing but then coming out on top.
BY DECLAN BOGUE
d.bogue@gaeliclife.com
TWO weeks after Seamus McEnaney steps down from the Monaghan job, Paul Grimley gets his chance to talk about the botched appointment and reflect on his own experiences with the Armagh county board. In a wide-ranging interview, the Pearse Óg man also reflects on the 2002 All-Ireland, the ones that got away, and why he will probably never manage Armagh.
Declan Bogue: Your family were Armagh Harps, yet you played for Pearse Ógs.
Paul Grimley: My father played for Harps, and the twins [brothers Mark and John Grimley] also. I played one underage game in my life, and that was for the Harps - against the Ógs!
I transferred to the Ógs because my friends were there. Up until that point I had never played Gaelic football. I played a bit of soccer for Milford Everton, and Armagh Thistle in the Irish 'B' division, at centre-forward.
DB: How was it, playing in those Armagh city derby games and coming up against your brothers?
PG: It was funny. We played in the county final in 1985 and I lined out directly against Mark. At that time it was very difficult for me, we had a bit more experience and won out in a very droll affair. Good crowd at it, but a very poor game.
DB: But your paths always crossed. You were part of the Ógs management that won a county title in '92, and then you took Harps as manager to the county final in 1995.
PG: Yeah, we played Mullaghbawn in that final, and my brother Mark had hurt his ankle. The week before, we went down to Dublin to play a Bank of Ireland All-Star selection, and the pitch was brutal. He went over on his ankle, and it was one of the worst mistakes I ever made, letting that game go ahead. If we had him that day, things would have been different.
DB: Was it galling to watch Mullaghbawn go on to win Ulster after that?
PG: No, they were a mean side then. They were packed with very good players; McNultys, McGeeneys, Tierney, Neil Smyth, a lad McParland. Fair play to them.
DB: Shortly after that though, during the Crossmaglen dominance, you brought Madden to the county final, who were hanging out towards the bottom of division three.
PG: That was probably the most enjoyable time. Cross were All-Ireland champions, and we were two rungs below them, in danger of dropping even further. We beat Keady and Cullyhanna along the way, big wins and very tight affairs.
Madden had the best build-up possible, and we enjoyed the build up, because I realised that the final was as far as we could go. I took them to Sean Boylan, and he took them for a training session, I got the likes of Tony Scullion and Pete McGrath to take them for sessions. I wanted to make it memorable for them, knowing in my heart of hearts we would never be able to beat Cross. When they were marching around the field before the game, it dawned on me the difference in stature between the two sides, the physicality and size of Cross compared to us was noticeable. They were packed with county men, and seasoned campaigners.
DB: Where did the interest in coaching come from?
PG: I suppose I finished playing in 1991, and went into training the Pearse Óg side the following year, it was just something that was expected of you.
DB: And you took Ballymacnab to their first ever title - the Junior Championship in 1999.
PG: That was special. Colm Marley was the manager and I was coaching, but after the game there were grown men walking across the pitch crying their eyes out. Those were great days to look back on, and I will never forget them. It's fantastic to have been a part of those days.
DB: You played for Armagh during a fallow period, where plenty of good players gave long service for no reward, really.
PG: I was first on the panel in '79, and it would have been '89 when I quit. The panels changed completely between McKenna Cup, National League and Championship. Boys were brought in an out, if you did well in the county Championship you could find yourself on the county panel in the morning, and I missed out on the 1982 Ulster title like that.
I was a very average county player, and I don't have any problem saying that. I enjoyed it though, and made good friends with the likes of Kieran McGurk, Martin McQuillan, Jim McCorry.
DB: Do you mind the stereotype of you and the brothers as being men who liked to turn games into, ahem, physical contests?
PG: What people don't understand is that different areas require different tools for the job! The era of the '80s and '90s, were characterised by big men, but if you look at say, Brian McGilligan, he wouldn't have been so successful unless he could play a fair bit. As the years went on, the game became different - when Peter Canavan came on the scene he was a full-forward, and people had never seen a small full-forward before.
People began to realise that playing a small man on a big fella could work. As the years went on, people then thought, well maybe we don't need a big full-back line, just good markers. But the big men back then maybe wouldn't fit into today's' game.
DB: What about the tunnel punch-ups, those stories don't be long growing into legends.
PG: Well, I was involved in that, I was there in Omagh at that time. As the years go by, they get talked about too much. There was a bit of a punch-up, but there was nothing really after that.
DB: Your brothers were offered contracts to go and play in Aussie Rules football, but turned them down.
PG: They were home birds. They were lukewarm offers, and both of them were engaged to be married the following year, so nothing came of it.
DB: Tell us about your time in Armagh - you brought the wives and girlfriends in for a meeting with all the players and management as soon as it became clear who was the new management.
PG: That was an idea Joe [Kernan] had. The wives would have to know the sacrifice the players would have to make, Joe believed in rewarding them. Players came under a lot of stress and Joe was very good at that man-management side of things.
DB: Do you feel you got that team at a good time?
PG: The opinion and feeling at the time was that team had its day, the two Brians got all they could out of them. Joe was the obvious candidate for the job because of his success with Cross, but people still said it was three years too late for him. The bones of that side went on for another six or seven years.
DB: That team defined themselves by the pursuit of the second All-Ireland, but did they make a rod for their own back?
PG: There's no getting away from the fact we only won one All-Ireland. That will always be a problem for myself, Joe, John McCloskey and the players. We will always have that burden and despite what people thought if us, despite what the media built us up to be, we still only won one All-Ireland, and we threw away at least two others.
We desperately wanted a second one. In 2003, Diarmuid Marsden's sending-off was such a blow for us. Fermanagh beat us in '04. We played Tyrone in a very controversial Ulster final in 2005, and knew we would not have to look too hard for them coming behind us. That semi-final in '05 was the hardest to take. The softest one that got away was '04, when we took our eye off the ball.
DB: When you talk about '04, in what way precisely did you take your eye off the ball?
PG: We were looking at Tyrone, and another eye on Fermanagh on the day. We didn't concentrate on our next 70 minutes, because we were thinking of the 70 minutes after it. I believe it had the same effect on Tyrone - they were so shocked that they lost their motivation. I'm only surmising here though I said it to Mickey Harte and I think he agreed.
We tried to guard against complacency that day, and I think Joe had talked since about players on their mobile phones on the bus and that carry-on. At the end of the day, we should have been more professional on that day, because we were known to be professional in every other context.
The following year we tried to get back and Tyrone beat us, and I believe that was the beginning of the end.
DB: In OisÃn McConville's autobiography, he described you as a lunatic in training, and talked of your love of tackling grids. Yourselves and Tyrone introduced the tackle to a forwards' repertoire of skills.
PG: We believed the best form of defence was attack, because full-backs and corner backs were becoming much more mobile, Tyrone were the standard-bearers in that regard.
We had players like Diarmuid Marsden, Steven McDonnell and John McEntee who responded very well to it. Marsden in particular - he was the best tackler in the team. He always paired off with McGeeney, but Marsden was built like a middleweight boxer, with lightning fast hands. Kieran was robust and strong, but Diarmuid was very efficient in the tackle - very concentrated - and that gave us the idea to maul players.
Now, we weren't as good at the swarming tackle as Tyrone became, they brought it to a different level, but if we could get in around people, we could over turn a lot of ball.
Not being good enough would be getting well beaten by 4,5,6+ points. You beat us once over 3 games in '05 and needed a last minute free to win it also, we handed you that advantage. The fact is the 2 teams were very good and well matched....1 win apiece and 1 draw your victory put you in an AI final. Our squad was much better in '05 than in '02 no doubt so was tyrone's. I'll give you the bit about management tho. 30,000 Armagh people (including Paul Grimley) felt it was wrong...JK felt it was right. he was wrong.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 08, 2014, 03:15:45 PM
Roll back to the board 2010 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16929.msg847083;topicseen#msg847083)
5 or 6 lines from the bottom for those of you who are lazy and won't read long posts
Some questions I STILL have 11 years later after the Marsden incident that I have asked before.
Under what grounds did he get his suspension appealed?
So having watched it several times since how can anyone still say that Marsden just raised his hands to in protection and Jordan ran into his closed fist? Did Jordan have his fists clenched or throw a punch?
To me Tyrone were 2nd best to Armagh in the semifinal having outplayed them twice before so I can totally understand how hard it was for them to lose that game.
I really miss the intensity of those games in recent years as nothing has come close to replacing that feeling of so much at stake and fear of losing but then coming out on top.
BY DECLAN BOGUE
d.bogue@gaeliclife.com
TWO weeks after Seamus McEnaney steps down from the Monaghan job, Paul Grimley gets his chance to talk about the botched appointment and reflect on his own experiences with the Armagh county board. In a wide-ranging interview, the Pearse Óg man also reflects on the 2002 All-Ireland, the ones that got away, and why he will probably never manage Armagh.
Declan Bogue: Your family were Armagh Harps, yet you played for Pearse Ógs.
Paul Grimley: My father played for Harps, and the twins [brothers Mark and John Grimley] also. I played one underage game in my life, and that was for the Harps - against the Ógs!
I transferred to the Ógs because my friends were there. Up until that point I had never played Gaelic football. I played a bit of soccer for Milford Everton, and Armagh Thistle in the Irish 'B' division, at centre-forward.
DB: How was it, playing in those Armagh city derby games and coming up against your brothers?
PG: It was funny. We played in the county final in 1985 and I lined out directly against Mark. At that time it was very difficult for me, we had a bit more experience and won out in a very droll affair. Good crowd at it, but a very poor game.
DB: But your paths always crossed. You were part of the Ógs management that won a county title in '92, and then you took Harps as manager to the county final in 1995.
PG: Yeah, we played Mullaghbawn in that final, and my brother Mark had hurt his ankle. The week before, we went down to Dublin to play a Bank of Ireland All-Star selection, and the pitch was brutal. He went over on his ankle, and it was one of the worst mistakes I ever made, letting that game go ahead. If we had him that day, things would have been different.
DB: Was it galling to watch Mullaghbawn go on to win Ulster after that?
PG: No, they were a mean side then. They were packed with very good players; McNultys, McGeeneys, Tierney, Neil Smyth, a lad McParland. Fair play to them.
DB: Shortly after that though, during the Crossmaglen dominance, you brought Madden to the county final, who were hanging out towards the bottom of division three.
PG: That was probably the most enjoyable time. Cross were All-Ireland champions, and we were two rungs below them, in danger of dropping even further. We beat Keady and Cullyhanna along the way, big wins and very tight affairs.
Madden had the best build-up possible, and we enjoyed the build up, because I realised that the final was as far as we could go. I took them to Sean Boylan, and he took them for a training session, I got the likes of Tony Scullion and Pete McGrath to take them for sessions. I wanted to make it memorable for them, knowing in my heart of hearts we would never be able to beat Cross. When they were marching around the field before the game, it dawned on me the difference in stature between the two sides, the physicality and size of Cross compared to us was noticeable. They were packed with county men, and seasoned campaigners.
DB: Where did the interest in coaching come from?
PG: I suppose I finished playing in 1991, and went into training the Pearse Óg side the following year, it was just something that was expected of you.
DB: And you took Ballymacnab to their first ever title - the Junior Championship in 1999.
PG: That was special. Colm Marley was the manager and I was coaching, but after the game there were grown men walking across the pitch crying their eyes out. Those were great days to look back on, and I will never forget them. It's fantastic to have been a part of those days.
DB: You played for Armagh during a fallow period, where plenty of good players gave long service for no reward, really.
PG: I was first on the panel in '79, and it would have been '89 when I quit. The panels changed completely between McKenna Cup, National League and Championship. Boys were brought in an out, if you did well in the county Championship you could find yourself on the county panel in the morning, and I missed out on the 1982 Ulster title like that.
I was a very average county player, and I don't have any problem saying that. I enjoyed it though, and made good friends with the likes of Kieran McGurk, Martin McQuillan, Jim McCorry.
DB: Do you mind the stereotype of you and the brothers as being men who liked to turn games into, ahem, physical contests?
PG: What people don't understand is that different areas require different tools for the job! The era of the '80s and '90s, were characterised by big men, but if you look at say, Brian McGilligan, he wouldn't have been so successful unless he could play a fair bit. As the years went on, the game became different - when Peter Canavan came on the scene he was a full-forward, and people had never seen a small full-forward before.
People began to realise that playing a small man on a big fella could work. As the years went on, people then thought, well maybe we don't need a big full-back line, just good markers. But the big men back then maybe wouldn't fit into today's' game.
DB: What about the tunnel punch-ups, those stories don't be long growing into legends.
PG: Well, I was involved in that, I was there in Omagh at that time. As the years go by, they get talked about too much. There was a bit of a punch-up, but there was nothing really after that.
DB: Your brothers were offered contracts to go and play in Aussie Rules football, but turned them down.
PG: They were home birds. They were lukewarm offers, and both of them were engaged to be married the following year, so nothing came of it.
DB: Tell us about your time in Armagh - you brought the wives and girlfriends in for a meeting with all the players and management as soon as it became clear who was the new management.
PG: That was an idea Joe [Kernan] had. The wives would have to know the sacrifice the players would have to make, Joe believed in rewarding them. Players came under a lot of stress and Joe was very good at that man-management side of things.
DB: Do you feel you got that team at a good time?
PG: The opinion and feeling at the time was that team had its day, the two Brians got all they could out of them. Joe was the obvious candidate for the job because of his success with Cross, but people still said it was three years too late for him. The bones of that side went on for another six or seven years.
DB: That team defined themselves by the pursuit of the second All-Ireland, but did they make a rod for their own back?
PG: There's no getting away from the fact we only won one All-Ireland. That will always be a problem for myself, Joe, John McCloskey and the players. We will always have that burden and despite what people thought if us, despite what the media built us up to be, we still only won one All-Ireland, and we threw away at least two others.
We desperately wanted a second one. In 2003, Diarmuid Marsden's sending-off was such a blow for us. Fermanagh beat us in '04. We played Tyrone in a very controversial Ulster final in 2005, and knew we would not have to look too hard for them coming behind us. That semi-final in '05 was the hardest to take. The softest one that got away was '04, when we took our eye off the ball.
DB: When you talk about '04, in what way precisely did you take your eye off the ball?
PG: We were looking at Tyrone, and another eye on Fermanagh on the day. We didn't concentrate on our next 70 minutes, because we were thinking of the 70 minutes after it. I believe it had the same effect on Tyrone - they were so shocked that they lost their motivation. I'm only surmising here though I said it to Mickey Harte and I think he agreed.
We tried to guard against complacency that day, and I think Joe had talked since about players on their mobile phones on the bus and that carry-on. At the end of the day, we should have been more professional on that day, because we were known to be professional in every other context.
The following year we tried to get back and Tyrone beat us, and I believe that was the beginning of the end.
DB: In OisÃn McConville's autobiography, he described you as a lunatic in training, and talked of your love of tackling grids. Yourselves and Tyrone introduced the tackle to a forwards' repertoire of skills.
PG: We believed the best form of defence was attack, because full-backs and corner backs were becoming much more mobile, Tyrone were the standard-bearers in that regard.
We had players like Diarmuid Marsden, Steven McDonnell and John McEntee who responded very well to it. Marsden in particular - he was the best tackler in the team. He always paired off with McGeeney, but Marsden was built like a middleweight boxer, with lightning fast hands. Kieran was robust and strong, but Diarmuid was very efficient in the tackle - very concentrated - and that gave us the idea to maul players.
Now, we weren't as good at the swarming tackle as Tyrone became, they brought it to a different level, but if we could get in around people, we could over turn a lot of ball.
Good interview...I fail to see your point though.
I'm sure you'll work it out later UTI sorry UTE
I was actually looking for the article that was in the Irish Times or Examiner a few years back where Grimley does a very frank interview and said that had Conor Gormley not done that block then Armagh could have went on to dominate the noughties instead of Tyrone and Kerry.
It was a fair point tbh that had Armagh won two in a row they would have went down as a great time and would have taken massive confidence from that. They were peaking around those years and maybe if they had a bit more luck things could have turned out very different.
I think Tyrone's win in 2008 would not have happened if they hadn't the experience of winning in 03 & 05
(http://ssl.utvinternet.com/sportingvisions/imgdir/94373363/gormly-block.jpg)
Has there been a match winning block like this since?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 08, 2014, 03:43:15 PM
I'm sure you'll work it out later UTI sorry UTE
I was actually looking for the article that was in the Irish Times or Examiner a few years back where Grimley does a very frank interview and said that had Conor Gormley not done that block then Armagh could have went on to dominate the noughties instead of Tyrone and Kerry.
It was a fair point tbh that had Armagh won two in a row they would have went down as a great time and would have taken massive confidence from that. They were peaking around those years and maybe if they had a bit more luck things could have turned out very different.
I think Tyrone's win in 2008 would not have happened if they hadn't the experience of winning in 03 & 05
(http://ssl.utvinternet.com/sportingvisions/imgdir/94373363/gormly-block.jpg)
Has there been a match winning block like this since?
I think that Armagh team doesn't really get the credit they deserve - they were excellent. I hear a lot of people saying that if there had been a different man managing the team, that then mage Armagh would have won more....hard to see how they could have won more Ulsters...they just came at a time when Tyrone were at their best
Whatever about the sporting rivalries on Sunday after today's happenings there's gonna be some amount of pissed of people at the game from Tyrone and Armagh looking for blood of some description...Garth Brooks may be responsible for the biggest mucksavage tribal battle ever!!!!
'blame it all on their (dyed) roots,
They showed up in (football) boots...'
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on July 08, 2014, 04:21:52 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 08, 2014, 03:43:15 PM
I'm sure you'll work it out later UTI sorry UTE
I was actually looking for the article that was in the Irish Times or Examiner a few years back where Grimley does a very frank interview and said that had Conor Gormley not done that block then Armagh could have went on to dominate the noughties instead of Tyrone and Kerry.
It was a fair point tbh that had Armagh won two in a row they would have went down as a great time and would have taken massive confidence from that. They were peaking around those years and maybe if they had a bit more luck things could have turned out very different.
I think Tyrone's win in 2008 would not have happened if they hadn't the experience of winning in 03 & 05
(http://ssl.utvinternet.com/sportingvisions/imgdir/94373363/gormly-block.jpg)
Has there been a match winning block like this since?
I think that Armagh team doesn't really get the credit they deserve - they were excellent. I hear a lot of people saying that if there had been a different man managing the team, that then mage Armagh would have won more....hard to see how they could have won more Ulsters...they just came at a time when Tyrone were at their best
I agree actually, Kernan led them to the promised land and kept them exceptionally competitive for a number of years. Unfortunately for them it came along at a time when Tyrone just had a team that were that little bit better. With all joking aside Armagh were Tyrone's main competitors for Sam during those years, not Kerry, and had the kick of the ball went the other way in 05 I'm pretty sure Armagh would have beaten Kerry in the final too ...... And I would have been cheering them on to do so.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 07, 2014, 11:40:33 PM
Know I'm probably going over old ground here,but as Joe Kernan said in his book,without a shadow of a doubt had Marsden stayed on the field in 03 Armagh's traditionally strong finish would have made it two Sams in a row, and the 05 semi could have gone either way.
Tyrone's legacy of one All Ireland win proper and two back doors was puke football in a horrific era for our native games from which we are only beginning to emerge.Was there ever an uglier game than the 2003 All Ireland semi final.Contrast this with the late great Jock Stein's comments after Lisbon when he said that it was the way his side won the European Cup (pure beautiful inventive football) that gave him more pride and pleasure than merely winning it.
I will be surprised if Tyrone don't win on Sunday,but it matters little as both sides are well off the Ulster pace never mind All Irelands.
The finals of 2005 and 2008 were two of the best All-Ireland finals of the last 30 years. Parroting the bullshit perpetrated by a jealous idiot on RTE after one match in 2003 when his beloved Kerry were handed their arses by Tyrone (and it wouldn't be the only time in that era) is a pathetic excuse for that Armagh team's 'failure to fulfil its potential'. Fact is, in 2002, had Kerry not arrogantly thought the AI final was already over at half-time, you wouldn't have very luckily won the only Sam you're ever going to win.
Ye lads make the rest of us look civilised. Even Meath.
Quote from: Syferus on July 08, 2014, 06:34:31 PM
Ye lads make the rest of us look civilised. Even Meath.
Not often I would agree with you!
Enough of history. It causes enough problems. Any idea how teams will match up on Sunday? Will Harte be missed? Do Armagh have enough recovery time? As an Armagh man a real nightmare would be to beat Tyrone and then draw Down with a 6 day turn around. We will probably fall in one of the next two weeks. If we don't we could have potential for the next couple of years.
Quote from: red hander on July 08, 2014, 05:56:15 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on July 07, 2014, 11:40:33 PM
Know I'm probably going over old ground here,but as Joe Kernan said in his book,without a shadow of a doubt had Marsden stayed on the field in 03 Armagh's traditionally strong finish would have made it two Sams in a row, and the 05 semi could have gone either way.
Tyrone's legacy of one All Ireland win proper and two back doors was puke football in a horrific era for our native games from which we are only beginning to emerge.Was there ever an uglier game than the 2003 All Ireland semi final.Contrast this with the late great Jock Stein's comments after Lisbon when he said that it was the way his side won the European Cup (pure beautiful inventive football) that gave him more pride and pleasure than merely winning it.
I will be surprised if Tyrone don't win on Sunday,but it matters little as both sides are well off the Ulster pace never mind All Irelands.
The finals of 2005 and 2008 were two of the best All-Ireland finals of the last 30 years. Parroting the bullshit perpetrated by a jealous idiot on RTE after one match in 2003 when his beloved Kerry were handed their arses by Tyrone (and it wouldn't be the only time in that era) is a pathetic excuse for that Armagh team's 'failure to fulfil its potential'. Fact is, in 2002, had Kerry not arrogantly thought the AI final was already over at half-time, you wouldn't have very luckily won the only Sam you're ever going to win.
It really does hurt you Armagh won it first and showed Tyrone what it takes to win an All-Ireland. You should be thanking Armagh instead of slagging them - you must really hurt inside. ;)
Yeah Red Hand I bet inside deep down you're hurting.
You with yer wan real AI and that done with diving, cheating, puke football and aul baldy lads.
When I think of it I'm embarrassed myself.
Can we give them back?
I'm thinking how special of an era that was for Armagh And Tyrone. For both teams outside the traditional powerhouses to produce two great teams at the same time was exceptional.
Outside the traditional rivalries Kerry/Cork, Galway/Mayo, Dublin/Meath has there ever been as intense neighbourly rivalry with so much on the line?
I suppose the closest we have to it now is the developing Donegal/Monaghan rivalry.
Quote from: Zip Code on July 08, 2014, 07:19:32 PM
Quote from: red hander on July 08, 2014, 05:56:15 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on July 07, 2014, 11:40:33 PM
Know I'm probably going over old ground here,but as Joe Kernan said in his book,without a shadow of a doubt had Marsden stayed on the field in 03 Armagh's traditionally strong finish would have made it two Sams in a row, and the 05 semi could have gone either way.
Tyrone's legacy of one All Ireland win proper and two back doors was puke football in a horrific era for our native games from which we are only beginning to emerge.Was there ever an uglier game than the 2003 All Ireland semi final.Contrast this with the late great Jock Stein's comments after Lisbon when he said that it was the way his side won the European Cup (pure beautiful inventive football) that gave him more pride and pleasure than merely winning it.
I will be surprised if Tyrone don't win on Sunday,but it matters little as both sides are well off the Ulster pace never mind All Irelands.
The finals of 2005 and 2008 were two of the best All-Ireland finals of the last 30 years. Parroting the bullshit perpetrated by a jealous idiot on RTE after one match in 2003 when his beloved Kerry were handed their arses by Tyrone (and it wouldn't be the only time in that era) is a pathetic excuse for that Armagh team's 'failure to fulfil its potential'. Fact is, in 2002, had Kerry not arrogantly thought the AI final was already over at half-time, you wouldn't have very luckily won the only Sam you're ever going to win.
It really does hurt you Armagh won it first and showed Tyrone what it takes to win an All-Ireland. You should be thanking Armagh instead of slagging them - you must really hurt inside. ;)
There's any amount of teams who won it before us, including the inbreds, why do you think the buckfast brigade winning it before Tyrone would bother me in the slightest ... it really is a tenuous thing to hold onto just out of jealousy of your more illustrious neighbours 8)
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Quote from: Zip Code on July 08, 2014, 07:19:32 PM
Quote from: red hander on July 08, 2014, 05:56:15 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on July 07, 2014, 11:40:33 PM
Know I'm probably going over old ground here,but as Joe Kernan said in his book,without a shadow of a doubt had Marsden stayed on the field in 03 Armagh's traditionally strong finish would have made it two Sams in a row, and the 05 semi could have gone either way.
Tyrone's legacy of one All Ireland win proper and two back doors was puke football in a horrific era for our native games from which we are only beginning to emerge.Was there ever an uglier game than the 2003 All Ireland semi final.Contrast this with the late great Jock Stein's comments after Lisbon when he said that it was the way his side won the European Cup (pure beautiful inventive football) that gave him more pride and pleasure than merely winning it.
I will be surprised if Tyrone don't win on Sunday,but it matters little as both sides are well off the Ulster pace never mind All Irelands.
The finals of 2005 and 2008 were two of the best All-Ireland finals of the last 30 years. Parroting the bullshit perpetrated by a jealous idiot on RTE after one match in 2003 when his beloved Kerry were handed their arses by Tyrone (and it wouldn't be the only time in that era) is a pathetic excuse for that Armagh team's 'failure to fulfil its potential'. Fact is, in 2002, had Kerry not arrogantly thought the AI final was already over at half-time, you wouldn't have very luckily won the only Sam you're ever going to win.
It really does hurt you Armagh won it first and showed Tyrone what it takes to win an All-Ireland. You should be thanking Armagh instead of slagging them - you must really hurt inside. ;)
There's any amount of teams who won it before us, including the inbreds, why do you think the buckfast brigade winning it before Tyrone would bother me in the slightest ... it really is a tenuous thing to hold onto just out of jealousy of your more illustrious neighbours 8)
Yep!
Quote from: red hander on July 08, 2014, 08:06:07 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on July 08, 2014, 07:19:32 PM
Quote from: red hander on July 08, 2014, 05:56:15 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on July 07, 2014, 11:40:33 PM
Know I'm probably going over old ground here,but as Joe Kernan said in his book,without a shadow of a doubt had Marsden stayed on the field in 03 Armagh's traditionally strong finish would have made it two Sams in a row, and the 05 semi could have gone either way.
Tyrone's legacy of one All Ireland win proper and two back doors was puke football in a horrific era for our native games from which we are only beginning to emerge.Was there ever an uglier game than the 2003 All Ireland semi final.Contrast this with the late great Jock Stein's comments after Lisbon when he said that it was the way his side won the European Cup (pure beautiful inventive football) that gave him more pride and pleasure than merely winning it.
I will be surprised if Tyrone don't win on Sunday,but it matters little as both sides are well off the Ulster pace never mind All Irelands.
The finals of 2005 and 2008 were two of the best All-Ireland finals of the last 30 years. Parroting the bullshit perpetrated by a jealous idiot on RTE after one match in 2003 when his beloved Kerry were handed their arses by Tyrone (and it wouldn't be the only time in that era) is a pathetic excuse for that Armagh team's 'failure to fulfil its potential'. Fact is, in 2002, had Kerry not arrogantly thought the AI final was already over at half-time, you wouldn't have very luckily won the only Sam you're ever going to win.
It really does hurt you Armagh won it first and showed Tyrone what it takes to win an All-Ireland. You should be thanking Armagh instead of slagging them - you must really hurt inside. ;)
There's any amount of teams who won it before us, including the inbreds, why do you think the buckfast brigade winning it before Tyrone would bother me in the slightest ... it really is a tenuous thing to hold onto just out of jealousy of your more illustrious neighbours 8)
The hurt is there - try and get over it. ;D
Quote from: red hander on July 08, 2014, 08:06:07 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on July 08, 2014, 07:19:32 PM
Quote from: red hander on July 08, 2014, 05:56:15 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on July 07, 2014, 11:40:33 PM
Know I'm probably going over old ground here,but as Joe Kernan said in his book,without a shadow of a doubt had Marsden stayed on the field in 03 Armagh's traditionally strong finish would have made it two Sams in a row, and the 05 semi could have gone either way.
Tyrone's legacy of one All Ireland win proper and two back doors was puke football in a horrific era for our native games from which we are only beginning to emerge.Was there ever an uglier game than the 2003 All Ireland semi final.Contrast this with the late great Jock Stein's comments after Lisbon when he said that it was the way his side won the European Cup (pure beautiful inventive football) that gave him more pride and pleasure than merely winning it.
I will be surprised if Tyrone don't win on Sunday,but it matters little as both sides are well off the Ulster pace never mind All Irelands.
The finals of 2005 and 2008 were two of the best All-Ireland finals of the last 30 years. Parroting the bullshit perpetrated by a jealous idiot on RTE after one match in 2003 when his beloved Kerry were handed their arses by Tyrone (and it wouldn't be the only time in that era) is a pathetic excuse for that Armagh team's 'failure to fulfil its potential'. Fact is, in 2002, had Kerry not arrogantly thought the AI final was already over at half-time, you wouldn't have very luckily won the only Sam you're ever going to win.
It really does hurt you Armagh won it first and showed Tyrone what it takes to win an All-Ireland. You should be thanking Armagh instead of slagging them - you must really hurt inside. ;)
There's any amount of teams who won it before us, including the inbreds, why do you think the buckfast brigade winning it before Tyrone would bother me in the slightest ... it really is a tenuous thing to hold onto just out of jealousy of your more illustrious neighbours 8)
The bit in bold shows it bothers you. ;) Immensely ;D Makes me laugh.
Without a shadow of a doubt joe kernan is about as privvy to knowing what would have happened when what could have happened didn't happen as the rest of us!
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Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
It's only now I can appreciate the Armagh games. Hated them at the time.
Hard to think which one was the most enjoyable. Maybe the McKenna Cup game in Casement when 90'000 turned up on a snowy January day.
Best memory - the '05 semi.
Worst memory - the '02 replay defeat
The '05 Ulster final defeat didn't bother me that much as you still thought Tyrone could win the AI.
Other memories - the Mugsy goal after about 10 seconds in '01. The NFL game in 2003 in Omagh. The drawn final in '05 when O'Neill tormented Bellew but the cuteness of McConville and McDonnell kept Armagh in it.
I think this is the 250th time you have said that on here since 2005 - my best memory was the 2002. I always thought it was sweet especially the teams we beat to win the All-Ireland but as this message board grew and some of the bitter wee men from Tyrone signed up with the invention of football in 2003, it has become all the more sweeter as they really do resent, no matter what they say, that we won it before them. It is great that it hurts them that much, yeah yeah 3 All-Irelands, cheated Armagh in 2003 and continue to ply your cheating trade, the whole country now sees you for what you are, now dry them. ;D
I'd much prefer three all Ireland's to one.
And I think it will remain at 1 for a very very long time. I doubt any of us here will ever see Armagh lift Sam again but we see Tyrone lift it plenty of times. Armagh are gone and they ain't coming back anytime soon while Tyrone will always be there or thereabouts.
What a completely stupid statement.
Whats stupid about it - Do you think Armagh will win another All-Ireland in the next decade or so? No chance. Will Tyrone - probably.
I wouldn't say tyrone are going to be bringing sam home any time soon...
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Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
It's only now I can appreciate the Armagh games. Hated them at the time.
Hard to think which one was the most enjoyable. Maybe the McKenna Cup game in Casement when 90'000 turned up on a snowy January day.
Best memory - the '05 semi.
Worst memory - the '02 replay defeat
The '05 Ulster final defeat didn't bother me that much as you still thought Tyrone could win the AI.
Other memories - the Mugsy goal after about 10 seconds in '01. The NFL game in 2003 in Omagh. The drawn final in '05 when O'Neill tormented Bellew but the cuteness of McConville and McDonnell kept Armagh in it.
I think this is the 250th time you have said that on here since 2005 - my best memory was the 2002. I always thought it was sweet especially the teams we beat to win the All-Ireland but as this message board grew and some of the bitter wee men from Tyrone signed up with the invention of football in 2003, it has become all the more sweeter as they really do resent, no matter what they say, that we won it before them. It is great that it hurts them that much, yeah yeah 3 All-Irelands, cheated Armagh in 2003 and continue to ply your cheating trade, the whole country now sees you for what you are, now dry them. ;D
I'd much prefer three all Ireland's to one.
And I think it will remain at 1 for a very very long time. I doubt any of us here will ever see Armagh lift Sam again but we see Tyrone lift it plenty of times. Armagh are gone and they ain't coming back anytime soon while Tyrone will always be there or thereabouts.
What a completely stupid statement.
Whats stupid about it - Do you think Armagh will win another All-Ireland in the next decade or so? No chance. Will Tyrone - probably.
That is some crystal ball you have - so your age - 12? 13?
Have the kids all gone to bed yet?
I reckon you could see a very enjoyable close match on Sunday.
Tyrone rarely play well at home to Ulster teams and Armagh gave nothing to lose.
If course Tyrone will be strong favourites but we've got too many Brazilian style defenders me thinks.
F**king reading through these pages would depress the life out of ya, you lot sound like Ulster Unionist Politicians ffs. Every time someone tries to talk about the match on Sunday someone else comes out with shite that happened 10 years ago...
If we were ulster unionist politicians we'd have walked out of the discussion long ago,and would now be building bonfires with effigies of Canavan and Bellew!
Unchanged from Mickey apart from Pete?
More injury worries: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/tyrone/mickey-harte-has-plenty-to-work-with-30412644.html
Probably play another brand new 15 - that'll help things!!! :-\
Thanks O'Neill
I really enjoyed that Lynx Rise 'wake up' advert video. Who is that girl? WOW.
Will Mickey show Armagh enough respect or continue experimenting?
Id like to see PJ Lavery playing as I've yet to see him. Looking forward to seeing the Oranje in Omagh two days in a row.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 09, 2014, 12:41:23 PM
Thanks O'Neill
I really enjoyed that Lynx Rise 'wake up' advert video. Who is that girl? WOW.
Will Mickey show Armagh enough respect or continue experimenting?
Id like to see PJ Lavery playing as I've yet to see him. Looking forward to seeing the Oranje in Omagh two days in a row.
::) ::)
Quote from: Zip Code on July 08, 2014, 11:57:42 PM
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Quote from: Zip Code on July 08, 2014, 09:55:28 AM
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Quote from: Zip Code on July 07, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
It's only now I can appreciate the Armagh games. Hated them at the time.
Hard to think which one was the most enjoyable. Maybe the McKenna Cup game in Casement when 90'000 turned up on a snowy January day.
Best memory - the '05 semi.
Worst memory - the '02 replay defeat
The '05 Ulster final defeat didn't bother me that much as you still thought Tyrone could win the AI.
Other memories - the Mugsy goal after about 10 seconds in '01. The NFL game in 2003 in Omagh. The drawn final in '05 when O'Neill tormented Bellew but the cuteness of McConville and McDonnell kept Armagh in it.
I think this is the 250th time you have said that on here since 2005 - my best memory was the 2002. I always thought it was sweet especially the teams we beat to win the All-Ireland but as this message board grew and some of the bitter wee men from Tyrone signed up with the invention of football in 2003, it has become all the more sweeter as they really do resent, no matter what they say, that we won it before them. It is great that it hurts them that much, yeah yeah 3 All-Irelands, cheated Armagh in 2003 and continue to ply your cheating trade, the whole country now sees you for what you are, now dry them. ;D
I'd much prefer three all Ireland's to one.
And I think it will remain at 1 for a very very long time. I doubt any of us here will ever see Armagh lift Sam again but we see Tyrone lift it plenty of times. Armagh are gone and they ain't coming back anytime soon while Tyrone will always be there or thereabouts.
What a completely stupid statement.
Whats stupid about it - Do you think Armagh will win another All-Ireland in the next decade or so? No chance. Will Tyrone - probably.
That is some crystal ball you have - so your age - 12? 13?
so I'm not allowed to give a prediction without someone pulling out the old tried and tested yet totally un-original response of " what age or you 12 or 13" - grow up.
Still waiting to hear what it so stupid about predicting that Armagh won't win a Senior All-Ireland in the next decade - is it because I used "decade" - should I change that to century.
Kids TV over for the day?
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Quote from: Zip Code on July 07, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
It's only now I can appreciate the Armagh games. Hated them at the time.
Hard to think which one was the most enjoyable. Maybe the McKenna Cup game in Casement when 90'000 turned up on a snowy January day.
Best memory - the '05 semi.
Worst memory - the '02 replay defeat
The '05 Ulster final defeat didn't bother me that much as you still thought Tyrone could win the AI.
Other memories - the Mugsy goal after about 10 seconds in '01. The NFL game in 2003 in Omagh. The drawn final in '05 when O'Neill tormented Bellew but the cuteness of McConville and McDonnell kept Armagh in it.
I think this is the 250th time you have said that on here since 2005 - my best memory was the 2002. I always thought it was sweet especially the teams we beat to win the All-Ireland but as this message board grew and some of the bitter wee men from Tyrone signed up with the invention of football in 2003, it has become all the more sweeter as they really do resent, no matter what they say, that we won it before them. It is great that it hurts them that much, yeah yeah 3 All-Irelands, cheated Armagh in 2003 and continue to ply your cheating trade, the whole country now sees you for what you are, now dry them. ;D
I'd much prefer three all Ireland's to one.
And I think it will remain at 1 for a very very long time. I doubt any of us here will ever see Armagh lift Sam again but we see Tyrone lift it plenty of times. Armagh are gone and they ain't coming back anytime soon while Tyrone will always be there or thereabouts.
What a completely stupid statement.
Whats stupid about it - Do you think Armagh will win another All-Ireland in the next decade or so? No chance. Will Tyrone - probably.
That is some crystal ball you have - so your age - 12? 13?
so I'm not allowed to give a prediction without someone pulling out the old tried and tested yet totally un-original response of " what age or you 12 or 13" - grow up.
Still waiting to hear what it so stupid about predicting that Armagh won't win a Senior All-Ireland in the next decade - is it because I used "decade" - should I change that to century.
How can anyone say with any degree of accuracy that Armagh Down Tyrone Derry or any of those sides won't win an All Ireland within 10 years. You would need a crystal ball and be able to work out the relative worth of players aged 9 to 15 and predict their development.
Good luck with that.
Teams can win all irelands from some very unpromising positions. Where were Donegal in the 2/3 years before they won in 2012 for example ?
Armagh , donegal, derry all putting serious work into their development teams. Armagh "orchard acdamey " is being overseen by paul mc grane. Their U 16 team is a big physical team . Donegal have a CHF O' Donnell; who is a unbelievably talented football. Derry U16s unbeaten ! This is were the future is!
Seriously lads. It's the Wed before the game.
Can we concentrate on the game now.
Who are Armagh hoping for big games from?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 09, 2014, 02:39:34 PM
Seriously lads. It's the Wed before the game.
Can we concentrate on the game now.
Who are Armagh hoping for big games from?
Does it matter sure Mickey will put out a benny team, or maybe he might afford Armagh some respect and start one regular. ::)
Hopefully management will learn lessons from the last day, albeit tyrone play a different style. Donaghy as sweeper didn't work, neither did Toner at midfield. I'd start Findon and Harold in the middle. A case can be made for Grugan to start as his vision is excellent. There's loads of talk on the Armagh forum about McEvoy being dropped but it won't happen. It was a huge mistake not giving any other goalkeepers some game time during the league, hopefully it won't come back to bite us on the arse.
McEvoy
A. mallon B. Donaghy J.Morgan
M.Shields C. McKeever A. kernan [ depending how fir he is]
A. Findon S. Harold
R. Grugan K. Dyas T.Kernan
? S.Campbell J. Clarke
S. Forker or Carragher for the vacant spot
You think we're joking ZipCode. We're totally lost by Mickey's choices this year.
Don't be surprised if Stevie's in goals and Morgan is midfield.
Anyone want to hazard a guess at a team??
morgan, r mckenna, r mcnamee, a mccrory, r mcnabb, m donnelly, c mcginley, c cavanagh, s cavanagh, e mckenna, s mc guigian, m donnelly, d mccurry, s oneill, c mc aliskey.
I'll have a stab - not my 15 but something I think he may go with:
Morgan
McCrory
Justy Mc
Carlin
McNabb
Mattie D
Gormley
Cavanagh x 2
Joey Mc
S McGuigan
McGinley
McCurry
SON
McAliskey
Would like to see R ONeill and Coney on but just can't see Harte wanting to pick them now
For what it's worth, I'd go with,
Morgan
McCrory
Justy
McNamee
McNabb
Block
McGinley
Cavanagh
Cavanagh
Joe
Coney
Mark D
McCurry
Matty D
McAliskey
Though we will probably see;
Morgan
McCrory
McNamee
Dermy
McNabb
Matty D
McCann
Cavanagh
Cavanagh
E McKenna
Shea
McGinley
McCurry
SON
Penrose
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 09, 2014, 02:39:34 PM
Seriously lads. It's the Wed before the game.
Can we concentrate on the game now.
Who are Armagh hoping for big games from?
We would need a big game from everyone! But personally i would like to see Stephen Harold deliver at midfield (if given the chance) and forwards like grugan and s. forker also step up to the scoring plate. If Armagh are to improve then these guys, esp the forwards, need to 'arrive'
Under 21 Hurling Championship match between Tyrone and Armagh was postponed the night and is now on on Sunday before the Football.
How come his are all picking Carlin this time?
Surely Justy and McNamee are first choice now.
I think Mickey has finally lost patience with DC.
Marking Jamie will be a big task and you'd expect an extra man back there again.
I'd say he'll hold Block and Stevie till half time in this one.
I fancy Coney to get CHF with Shay dropping out
Quote from: drici on July 09, 2014, 09:15:13 PM
Under 21 Hurling Championship match between Tyrone and Armagh was postponed the night and is now on on Sunday before the Football.
Will Armagh be giving Tyrone a 10 point handicap start?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 09, 2014, 09:40:09 PM
How come his are all picking Carlin this time?
Surely Justy and McNamee are first choice now.
I think Mickey has finally lost patience with DC.
Marking Jamie will be a big task and you'd expect an extra man back there again.
I'd say he'll hold Block and Stevie till half time in this one.
I fancy Coney to get CHF with Shay dropping out
Just think Carlin is Mickey's old reliable in these circumstances with PJ out and a few others less than convincing. Personally I'd play Justy and McNamee in there but we'll wait and see. Who picks up Jamie is going to be the big question, McCrory has been performing well of late but he may go back to square one if given the run around by Clarke and I don't think he is a man to man marker at this level. I'd say we'll drop someone infront - Joe or Gormley maybe?
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Quote from: drici on July 09, 2014, 09:15:13 PM
Under 21 Hurling Championship match between Tyrone and Armagh was postponed the night and is now on on Sunday before the Football.
Will Armagh be giving Tyrone a 10 point handicap start?
You might be thinking back to this kind of stuff.
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Ard Macha 2-19 Tir Eoghain 0-09 (15 minutes gone - 2nd Half)
Ard Macha down to 14.
Was someone sent off or we just resting players?
The Tyrone teams named there on paper looks strong enough tbh...we have one marque forward who will win his duel with who ever gets the job of marking him but when he turns and finds himself another two or three to beat then that's were we're f**ked. The Tyrone forward line are young and not that experienced but they have ability and pace and that's good enough for me to be worried. Armagh can beat Tyrone but it will take Tyrone to be under par and Armagh to perform one to fifteen and carry a bit of luck...the bookies v seldom get it wrong and they have Tyrone at 1\3 to win...enough said. Anyway the team I'd like to see line out against Tyrone is...
McEvoy
Morgan
Donaghy
A Mallon
M Shields
McKeever
Finn Mo (possibly could do a job on S Cavanagh)
Findon
Toner
R Grugan
Dyas
T Kernan
S Campbell
Rafferty
J Clarke
A Kernan in for Finn mo and use Aaron as a sweeper is a possibility or in the HF line...not sure tbh but he can do a job somewhere for us with his experience (some people are questioning his fitness but I'm not in the camp so don't know)
Lads is it possible to pay at the gate, or is it ticket only?
I'd say it's definitely pay at the gate or at least ticket sales at the ground
Anyone want to buy 2 Gareth Brooks tickets. Will get you in to Omagh on Sunday too. :o
I'd like to see Ronan O'Neill get more chances tbh. At the start of each year a lot of us think RoN, Coney, Mattie, McCurry are our future top forwards. I think Ronnie just got a tough game v Monaghan but he deserves another shot surely. Best player in the Sigerson a lot of ye said
With one eye on the future for this game I would go with
Morgan
McCrory McNamee McKenna
McNabb Gormley PJ
Cavanagh x 2
McGinley R O'Neill Matty
McCurry Coney McAliskey
I would be holding SON & McMahons x 2 back. I would like to hold Gormley back also but think we need at least one experienced head in there for another year yet. It is a smaller less physical Armagh team than previous years but it could still be the making or breaking of a few lads who haven't stepped up.
How much influence has the horse got? Apparently him and one of the senior players who isnt getting on at the minute dont see eye to eye!
According to Tony Donnelly in today's IN there is no chance of Joe making an appearance. Got a bang to his chest at the end of the Louth game. No luck at all.
I heard there is a rake of changes expected for the game on Sunday
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I see in the GL Mattie is a high risk. Anyone know any more on that?
I think Mickey will pick
Morgan Fuels
Art McCrory
Just In McMahon
Rowan McNamee
Rowan McNabbed
Matt Chew
Blocked Off
2 Calves and no Horse
Homer McGinley
Rowan Tree O'Neill
The next four alphabetically from the rest of the 40 man squad.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 09, 2014, 09:40:09 PM
How come his are all picking Carlin this time?
Surely Justy and McNamee are first choice now.
I think Mickey has finally lost patience with DC.
Marking Jamie will be a big task and you'd expect an extra man back there again.
I'd say he'll hold Block and Stevie till half time in this one.
I fancy Coney to get CHF with Shay dropping out
Heard Harte told carlin to get fitter during league and apparently he knuckled down - seen him in the championship and he was nearly the only one who took the fight to dromore and have heard since that he's been v good in league.
He always seemed to have pj and carlin fighting for a place.
Also I wasn't at Louth match but it sounded like mcnamee got right roasting against them and that's LOUTH!!!!
Quote from: illdecide on July 10, 2014, 01:34:51 AM
The Tyrone teams named there on paper looks strong enough tbh...we have one marque forward who will win his duel with who ever gets the job of marking him but when he turns and finds himself another two or three to beat then that's were we're f**ked. The Tyrone forward line are young and not that experienced but they have ability and pace and that's good enough for me to be worried. Armagh can beat Tyrone but it will take Tyrone to be under par and Armagh to perform one to fifteen and carry a bit of luck...the bookies v seldom get it wrong and they have Tyrone at 1\3 to win...enough said. Anyway the team I'd like to see line out against Tyrone is...
McEvoy
Morgan
Donaghy
A Mallon
M Shields
McKeever
Finn Mo (possibly could do a job on S Cavanagh)
Findon
Toner
R Grugan
Dyas
T Kernan
S Campbell
Rafferty
J Clarke
A Kernan in for Finn mo and use Aaron as a sweeper is a possibility or in the HF line...not sure tbh but he can do a job somewhere for us with his experience (some people are questioning his fitness but I'm not in the camp so don't know)
You pick Armaghs most consistent culprit of giving away stupid frees, and always liable to get a black card, to mark tyrones best? Jeez
McEvoy
Mallon
Donaghy
Morgan
Kernan
McKeever
Shields
Harold
Findon
E.Rafferty
Dyas
Grugan
Jamie
Campbell
Carragher/S.Forker
If Mattie isn't fit it's a big blow, alongside Harte. That'll leave a new half back line again. Joe seems to be out too. Justin half back?
And here we go.........
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uà Aráin
4 – PJ Quinn – Baile na Móna
5 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór
6 – Matthew Donnelly – Trà Leac
7 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9 – Sean Cavanagh (C) – An Mhaigh
10 – Emmett McKenna – Eaglais
11 – Kyle Coney – Ard Bó
12 – Ciaran McGinley – Aireagal Chiaráin
13 – Darren McCurry – Éadán na dTorc
14 – Niall McKenna – Domhnach Mór
15 – Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo
16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo
17 – Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
18 – Barry Tierney – An Omaigh
19 – Martin Penrose – An Charraig Mhór
20 – Conor Gormley – An Charraig Mhór
21 – Stephen O'Neill – Clann na nGael
22 – Conan Grugan – An Omaigh
23 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh
24 – Peter Hughes – Eiscreach
25 – Patrick McNeice – Oileán a'Ghuail
Glad to see McAliskey in there
Armagh's best chance in yonks. 10-15 unproven at this level. Fcuk.
Quote from: ONeill on July 10, 2014, 09:35:33 PM
Armagh's best chance in yonks. 10-15 unproven at this level. Fcuk.
Having read the comments this week from the red hand masses I feel a little more comfortable
We will get within 5 points of them as they march on a fourth all ireland
It is such an honour to be on the same pitch as them
9 from East Tyrone on the starting 15? :o :o :o
Quote from: tyroneman on July 10, 2014, 08:34:47 PM
And here we go.........
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uà Aráin
4 – PJ Quinn – Baile na Móna
5 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór
6 – Matthew Donnelly – Trà Leac
7 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9 – Sean Cavanagh (C) – An Mhaigh
10 – Emmett McKenna – Eaglais
11 – Kyle Coney – Ard Bó
12 – Ciaran McGinley – Aireagal Chiaráin
13 – Darren McCurry – Éadán na dTorc
14 – Niall McKenna – Domhnach Mór
15 – Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo
16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo
17 – Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
18 – Barry Tierney – An Omaigh
19 – Martin Penrose – An Charraig Mhór
20 – Conor Gormley – An Charraig Mhór
21 – Stephen O'Neill – Clann na nGael
22 – Conan Grugan – An Omaigh
23 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh
24 – Peter Hughes – Eiscreach
25 – Patrick McNeice – Oileán a'Ghuail
No idea what Mickey sees in Emmett McKenna. Nowhere near county standard and his performances have proved that yet Mickey persists with him. Does anyone think he is worth his place.
Quote from: Rodman on July 10, 2014, 11:48:15 PM
No idea what Mickey sees in Emmett McKenna. Nowhere near county standard and his performances have proved that yet Mickey persists with him. Does anyone think he is worth his place.
Scored the cracker of the goal after the break against Louth, which settled the team?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 10, 2014, 11:52:59 PM
Quote from: Rodman on July 10, 2014, 11:48:15 PM
No idea what Mickey sees in Emmett McKenna. Nowhere near county standard and his performances have proved that yet Mickey persists with him. Does anyone think he is worth his place.
Scored the cracker of the goal after the break against Louth, which settled the team?
But absolutely nothing else. Surely there is better in the County. Hope he proves me wrong.
Have faith Rodman, still finding his feet at this level! ;)
Maybe he will make it, maybe he won't - but if this is a new strategy from Mickey to actually give these young lads a run of games to get some experience and as you say Fear find their feet, then I'd say we can give him the benefit of the doubt. I hope this is Kyle Coney's opportunity to get a few games at 11 now though I suspect he will get the plug pulled after his first bad pass and we'll not see him there again.
Quote from: our_fella on July 10, 2014, 08:09:28 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 10, 2014, 01:34:51 AM
The Tyrone teams named there on paper looks strong enough tbh...we have one marque forward who will win his duel with who ever gets the job of marking him but when he turns and finds himself another two or three to beat then that's were we're f**ked. The Tyrone forward line are young and not that experienced but they have ability and pace and that's good enough for me to be worried. Armagh can beat Tyrone but it will take Tyrone to be under par and Armagh to perform one to fifteen and carry a bit of luck...the bookies v seldom get it wrong and they have Tyrone at 1\3 to win...enough said. Anyway the team I'd like to see line out against Tyrone is...
McEvoy
Morgan
Donaghy
A Mallon
M Shields
McKeever
Finn Mo (possibly could do a job on S Cavanagh)
Findon
Toner
R Grugan
Dyas
T Kernan
S Campbell
Rafferty
J Clarke
A Kernan in for Finn mo and use Aaron as a sweeper is a possibility or in the HF line...not sure tbh but he can do a job somewhere for us with his experience (some people are questioning his fitness but I'm not in the camp so don't know)
You pick Armaghs most consistent culprit of giving away stupid frees, and always liable to get a black card, to mark tyrones best? Jeez
McEvoy
Mallon
Donaghy
Morgan
Kernan
McKeever
Shields
Harold
Findon
E.Rafferty
Dyas
Grugan
Jamie
Campbell
Carragher/S.Forker
I did have my doubts about it and that's why I put further comments in as an alternative... Also I know you're right about his fouling but if he was out around the middle harassing Cavanagh he could be the type of player to really frustrate Cavanagh...
Anyway the more I think about it C Vernon deserves his place in the team and could do a job as a 3rd midfielder if he wasn't suited to a defensive role
Its a huge game for Harte. A win an decent performance and tyrone could get a run going and save the season. A defeat and there will be huge pressure on him. Tyrone will have to cope with a defensive armagh team who have Clarke and Campbell up front to do damage and will have good catchers around the middle. They will cause tyrone problems.
Again I'm not convinced with the forward line. Both Mckennas have yet to really do it in a county jersey. I'm hopeful that Niall can cause problems at full forward and it might be his best position.
Emmet worries me in the half forward line. It's about his 8th game and in none of them has he shown anything other than a couple of goals to suggest he should be on. I've yet to see him win a break ball around middle and he's surrendered possession far to easy. I do think he's someone that could improve over the next few years and become a good county player but feel this year is too soon. Mcginley will run plenty but agin won't help around the middle and win dirty ball.
A couple of changes to the team and I'd be a lot more confident. A fit joe McMahon in the half forward line would be a great help. I'd be tempted to bring Gormley in at half back and play mcnabb at half forward as he showed a few years ago that he can win breaking ball.
A good win here will do a world of good to the team. I hate the way people keep going on about the teams not being as good as ten years ago etc. It's still a knockout championship game between 2 rivals, one of whom will be playing there last game of the year. It's a huge game for the teams and it's unfair to keep harping back.
Redhand Santa, I wouldn't be too annoyed if Tyrone are beat on Sunday. A defeat on Sunday would sharpen minds. Its time for a change. We've been too stale & predictable for a long time - both in terms of squad selection, playing style, tactics...
Think of the optimism and fresh impetus to be garnered over the winter months by a first change of management in 12 years! Followed by a new squad brimming with fresh faces. Old favourites of Hartes binned (I would name name, but don't wanna be negative) & replaced by fresh talent. Im thinking on the likes of Richie Donnelly, Dan McNulty, Harry Og Conlan, Frank Burns, Tommy Canavan, Dean McNally etc I could go on
Someone like Malachy O'Rourke would be ideal. Give him the league months to get us organised defensively & we'd be back dining at the top table in no time. Because at the minute we're a long way from that.
Up Ard Mhacha Tir Eoghain!
God14 there is zero chance we will be getting a change of manager. ZERO
Mickey has made it clear he wants to stay on unless he takes a "change of harte."
He will continue chopping and changing and picking his favourites who repeatly don't seem up to the task but maybe they'll come good like Colm Cavanagh did.
For me all the McKennas are disappointing and too light weight and easily pushed off the ball. I think it's unfair on Niall to be going in at 14 against quite a strong Armgh FB line that will probably play a sweeper as well. I think Stevie or anyone might struggle there.
How he picks E.McKenna over Ronan O'Neill I just can't understand. Yes Ronan may struggle to win his own ball in a packed FF line but surely out around the 40 he's much better than Emmet McK. Is there an element there still of Emmet tows the line with Mickey whereas Ronan is still being punished for his wee outburst. I don't know.
With that 10-15 being so inexperienced and lacking in fight and ball winning ability I'm very worried we'll struggle to get scores or even possession. Even having Mark Donnelly in there would have helped a lot. I think Mickey is approaching this game a bit like the first Down game with an element of let them sink or swim attitude. Then second half bring on the cavalry.
Lot of pressure on McCurry and McAliskey to get the scores I think but will they be starved of good ball into them.
The Armagh lads can laugh and think we're playing mind games all they like but I am truly worried about this game now with that team we're lining out.
It's well set up for them with nothing to lose, 7 day turnaround, complete underdogs, playing away from home, Tyrone playing a very inexperienced side. It could be a total Orangefest
Who do you see as marking Jamie and who will be our sweeper should we play one?
Also seems strange to name Justy at wing back doesn't it.
Quote from: God14 on July 11, 2014, 11:02:50 AM
Redhand Santa, I wouldn't be too annoyed if Tyrone are beat on Sunday. A defeat on Sunday would sharpen minds. Its time for a change. We've been too stale & predictable for a long time - both in terms of squad selection, playing style, tactics...
Think of the optimism and fresh impetus to be garnered over the winter months by a first change of management in 12 years! Followed by a new squad brimming with fresh faces. Old favourites of Hartes binned (I would name name, but don't wanna be negative) & replaced by fresh talent. Im thinking on the likes of Richie Donnelly, Dan McNulty, Harry Og Conlan, Frank Burns, Tommy Canavan, Dean McNally etc I could go on
Someone like Malachy O'Rourke would be ideal. Give him the league months to get us organised defensively & we'd be back dining at the top table in no time. Because at the minute we're a long way from that.
Up Ard Mhacha Tir Eoghain!
I only have ever been M Harte's company once and he is a nice man who is intelligent and lives and breathes Tyrone and GAA, he has won Ulster titles and 3 All Ireland's and some supporters want him chased...that's unbelievable tbh and as an Armagh man I find it ridiculous. You are starting to suffer slightly as your teams are not as strong as they have been in the past and too many successful years can blind you from the transition that you are going through and I have to say you are still quite lucky as the players you have are still making you a top 7 or 8 team in the country whereas we totally lost the plot for a few years and are only starting to make a bit of headway this year, I've no doubt in 2 years we will be back challenging for Ulster titles and still getting a game in August.
Remember you'll not know what you had until its gone and then there'll be a crying session looking Micky back...
P.S. if you chase him Armagh should grab him with both hands and he could join our management team for the start of the revolution ;-)
Quote from: God14 on July 11, 2014, 11:02:50 AM
Redhand Santa, I wouldn't be too annoyed if Tyrone are beat on Sunday. A defeat on Sunday would sharpen minds. Its time for a change. We've been too stale & predictable for a long time - both in terms of squad selection, playing style, tactics...
Think of the optimism and fresh impetus to be garnered over the winter months by a first change of management in 12 years! Followed by a new squad brimming with fresh faces. Old favourites of Hartes binned (I would name name, but don't wanna be negative) & replaced by fresh talent. Im thinking on the likes of Richie Donnelly, Dan McNulty, Harry Og Conlan, Frank Burns, Tommy Canavan, Dean McNally etc I could go on
Someone like Malachy O'Rourke would be ideal. Give him the league months to get us organised defensively & we'd be back dining at the top table in no time. Because at the minute we're a long way from that.
Up Ard Mhacha Tir Eoghain!
I near swore I had posted the above, my feelings down to a tee. Also, as Bennyharp said poor Coney will get the curly finger before the end of the game or won't be seen again for 3 or 4 championship games unless he scores 5 points from play. Yet Ciaran McGinley and Emmet McKenna will get another lock of starts without looking anything near deserving of a place on an intercounty half forward line.
Illdecide, you and many more from outside the county feel the exact same way about Harte
Like you said you only met the man once and you have a certain view of the man. Loads more feel the exact same. Lovely man and for God Sake he won 3 AI's with ye. Leave him be!
I'm not in a witch hunt to get him out but I think you're being a TAD naive. IMHO Mickey has had a lot on his mind the last number of years and so has been passed out by other younger managers in the tactical nous of what it takes now to win an AI. He's a very very very stubborn man who doesn't like being told what to do by all accounts. Back in 2003 (from reading his book) he seeked advice and help from everywhere and talked very openly to his players and backroom team.
"From what I hear", now he hardly talks to anyone and players are almost scared to engage with him. I'm not sure now as I'm not there but that's what I've been told.
The constant chopping and changing of players the last 2 years seems a little strange and IMHO doesn't let a team develop or grow properly.
We've definitely got the players there to be a top 5 team I think but would someone like Jim McGuinness to a better job with them. Look how little his teams change. Look how everyone knows their job inside out. Look how Mal O'Rourke has turned around a mediocre Monaghan into a team that could maybe claim back to back Ulsters which is no mean feat.
Fair enough we might not have a terrible manager but sometimes there needs to be a change of direction and a clean break. I wonder how the players themselves would feel but of course if they speak out they'll probably suffer.
Quote from: illdecide on July 11, 2014, 11:21:10 AM
Quote from: God14 on July 11, 2014, 11:02:50 AM
Redhand Santa, I wouldn't be too annoyed if Tyrone are beat on Sunday. A defeat on Sunday would sharpen minds. Its time for a change. We've been too stale & predictable for a long time - both in terms of squad selection, playing style, tactics...
Think of the optimism and fresh impetus to be garnered over the winter months by a first change of management in 12 years! Followed by a new squad brimming with fresh faces. Old favourites of Hartes binned (I would name name, but don't wanna be negative) & replaced by fresh talent. Im thinking on the likes of Richie Donnelly, Dan McNulty, Harry Og Conlan, Frank Burns, Tommy Canavan, Dean McNally etc I could go on
Someone like Malachy O'Rourke would be ideal. Give him the league months to get us organised defensively & we'd be back dining at the top table in no time. Because at the minute we're a long way from that.
Up Ard Mhacha Tir Eoghain!
I only have ever been M Harte's company once and he is a nice man who is intelligent and lives and breathes Tyrone and GAA, he has won Ulster titles and 3 All Ireland's and some supporters want him chased...that's unbelievable tbh and as an Armagh man I find it ridiculous. You are starting to suffer slightly as your teams are not as strong as they have been in the past and too many successful years can blind you from the transition that you are going through and I have to say you are still quite lucky as the players you have are still making you a top 7 or 8 team in the country whereas we totally lost the plot for a few years and are only starting to make a bit of headway this year, I've no doubt in 2 years we will be back challenging for Ulster titles and still getting a game in August.
Remember you'll not know what you had until its gone and then there'll be a crying session looking Micky back...
P.S. if you chase him Armagh should grab him with both hands and he could join our management team for the start of the revolution ;-)
Would agree exactly with this. I suspect no manager would have taken tyrone any further in recent years. As I said before other than Kerry and to a lesser extent Dublin all counties struggle after a great period. Done, Meath, Galway etc are examples.
I looked at the talent that was named to bring in and if anyone thinks they're better than what is currently there they're deluded.
I hope Tyrone players show the pride in their county that their neighbours to the north showed in the qualifiers this year.
Redhand S do you not think there must be better defenders in the county?
Tough lads that their focus is more on defending and spoiling rather than being good ball players who can run all day
Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly are two great players but are they really half backs?
Our whole defence has changed so much in the last 2 years with only McCrory becoming a regular in the last 3 or 4 games. McNamee was getting dropped a lot last year and then he comes in and does full back a few games and then corner back and then dropped again.
It's one thing changing around a few forwards but defenders need to have consistency so they can rely on each other and know what each other is going to do.
I don't think there are many people missing that would be top class man markers. I think we're getting closer to as good a defence as we have. You'd like to find a top class corner back from somewhere but I'm not sure they're currently out there.
Mattie d is probably as good a half back as there is in ulster. The problem is we need him up the pitch too. I would agree the half back line has been too attacking and would like to see someone holding at centre half back like joe or Gormley.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 11, 2014, 11:54:41 AM
Quote from: illdecide on July 11, 2014, 11:21:10 AM
Quote from: God14 on July 11, 2014, 11:02:50 AM
Redhand Santa, I wouldn't be too annoyed if Tyrone are beat on Sunday. A defeat on Sunday would sharpen minds. Its time for a change. We've been too stale & predictable for a long time - both in terms of squad selection, playing style, tactics...
Think of the optimism and fresh impetus to be garnered over the winter months by a first change of management in 12 years! Followed by a new squad brimming with fresh faces. Old favourites of Hartes binned (I would name name, but don't wanna be negative) & replaced by fresh talent. Im thinking on the likes of Richie Donnelly, Dan McNulty, Harry Og Conlan, Frank Burns, Tommy Canavan, Dean McNally etc I could go on
Someone like Malachy O'Rourke would be ideal. Give him the league months to get us organised defensively & we'd be back dining at the top table in no time. Because at the minute we're a long way from that.
Up Ard Mhacha Tir Eoghain!
I only have ever been M Harte's company once and he is a nice man who is intelligent and lives and breathes Tyrone and GAA, he has won Ulster titles and 3 All Ireland's and some supporters want him chased...that's unbelievable tbh and as an Armagh man I find it ridiculous. You are starting to suffer slightly as your teams are not as strong as they have been in the past and too many successful years can blind you from the transition that you are going through and I have to say you are still quite lucky as the players you have are still making you a top 7 or 8 team in the country whereas we totally lost the plot for a few years and are only starting to make a bit of headway this year, I've no doubt in 2 years we will be back challenging for Ulster titles and still getting a game in August.
Remember you'll not know what you had until its gone and then there'll be a crying session looking Micky back...
P.S. if you chase him Armagh should grab him with both hands and he could join our management team for the start of the revolution ;-)
Would agree exactly with this. I suspect no manager would have taken tyrone any further in recent years. As I said before other than Kerry and to a lesser extent Dublin all counties struggle after a great period. Done, Meath, Galway etc are examples.
I looked at the talent that was named to bring in and if anyone thinks they're better than what is currently there they're deluded.
Really? You reckon Emmet McKenna would do better than say Richie Donnelly at No. 10 this Sunday? I must be deluded then.
and RoN and Coney need a good run of games so fans, management and team members can learn to believe in them.
Yes Coney has his faults and seems to play with an element of fear but unless he gets a good run of games with no fear of being called ashore then he'll continue feeling on edge and that everyone is out to say he's just not got what it takes. McAliskey is another who has done well anytime I've saw him but he certainly hasn't got many chances this year. McGinley would be grand at wing back I think if he can be taught to stick tight to his man and not be so attack minded.
I'll be shocked if we don't see Mark D, Stevie and Conor Gormley all on early in the 2nd half if not before. Taking off Coney and/or McAliskey sends out the message that you're AGAIN not good enough.
Have you been to see the u21s play in the ulster championship in recent years? Nearly every player you listed have been part of teams that have given some of the worst displays I've ever seen from tyrone teams. Those players have nearly all been involved with very limited impact. Those teams weren't managed by Harte so he can't be blamed.
Richie Donnelly seems to be a decent player, whether he'd work hard enough at the level is hard to know. Hopefully he'll get a chance in the coming years so we can see. At the minute I don't think it would make a massive difference to the team if he was in for McKenna.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 11, 2014, 12:47:06 PM
and RoN and Coney need a good run of games so fans, management and team members can learn to believe in them.
Yes Coney has his faults and seems to play with an element of fear but unless he gets a good run of games with no fear of being called ashore then he'll continue feeling on edge and that everyone is out to say he's just not got what it takes. McAliskey is another who has done well anytime I've saw him but he certainly hasn't got many chances this year. McGinley would be grand at wing back I think if he can be taught to stick tight to his man and not be so attack minded.
I'll be shocked if we don't see Mark D, Stevie and Conor Gormley all on early in the 2nd half if not before. Taking off Coney and/or McAliskey sends out the message that you're AGAIN not good enough.
I would be a fan of roman o'neill but after watching the Monaghan game it's hard to make a case for him starting. Was considerably off the pace and couldn't win the ball.
Richie Donnelly wasn't making the UUJ team this year, they had a lot of big names, but he would want to be starting at that level if he to be the answer for Tyrone..
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 11, 2014, 11:49:59 AM
Illdecide, you and many more from outside the county feel the exact same way about Harte
Like you said you only met the man once and you have a certain view of the man. Loads more feel the exact same. Lovely man and for God Sake he won 3 AI's with ye. Leave him be!
I'm not in a witch hunt to get him out but I think you're being a TAD naive. IMHO Mickey has had a lot on his mind the last number of years and so has been passed out by other younger managers in the tactical nous of what it takes now to win an AI. He's a very very very stubborn man who doesn't like being told what to do by all accounts. Back in 2003 (from reading his book) he seeked advice and help from everywhere and talked very openly to his players and backroom team.
"From what I hear", now he hardly talks to anyone and players are almost scared to engage with him. I'm not sure now as I'm not there but that's what I've been told.
The constant chopping and changing of players the last 2 years seems a little strange and IMHO doesn't let a team develop or grow properly.
We've definitely got the players there to be a top 5 team I think but would someone like Jim McGuinness to a better job with them. Look how little his teams change. Look how everyone knows their job inside out. Look how Mal O'Rourke has turned around a mediocre Monaghan into a team that could maybe claim back to back Ulsters which is no mean feat.
Fair enough we might not have a terrible manager but sometimes there needs to be a change of direction and a clean break. I wonder how the players themselves would feel but of course if they speak out they'll probably suffer.
You may be right about Micky but all I know is you can fluke one all Ireland with a good team but if you win 3 then he obviously knows his stuff and as much as the game does evolve I don't think it has went that far from Micky's brain that he doesn't know what he's doing...its only my opinion but I believe the players you have now aren't at the same standard you had 5 and 10 years ago and you are struggling to realise this as you believe the current team is better than your results are showing... Don't forget Tyrone have had a lot of injuries to key men in key positions and this has an effect on your younger players coming through as they rely on them for their experience and leadership, things could be a lot different in a year or two and then you'll think back and say " f**k I was looking Micky chased"
I know the bottom few lines contradict the top but the top is my opinion and the bottom part is what could happen...Anyway may the mighty buckfast brigade line your pockets on Sunday and Armagh come away with a 2-11 to 1-13 win...(can't remember if that's with paddy powers handi cap included in that score line)
We'll hammer armagh out of omagh on Sunday, have a routine win over Cavan next week, get revenge over Monaghan in round 4 and send the all ireland champions packing in the quarters. Everyone will be back in love with Harte and the use of so many players to build competition will be billed as a master stroke.
RON has nowhere near the engine to play wing half forward at this level. Perhaps 11 but even then would he be able to track the runs of the likes of Colm Boyle or Karl Lacey. I really like him as a player and at club level he is phenomenal so hope it happens for him. I think corner forward coming out to the D is his best position atm. Emmett McKenna is there for his athleticism. I'll be honest, he's never impressed me but I'm willing to give him the chance as he supposedly is showing up very strongly in training. Richie Donnelly wouldn't have the pace for wing forward. Tbh I think the defenders we have are probably the best we have. They're just not top, top level. Sad to say but its just the truth! Losing McCarron was a big blow in fairness but even then we haven't had a full back flying for a few games back to back since Justy in 08. Not overly confident but think we'll have enough to come through but its quarters at best with this side unless something transforms over the players.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 11, 2014, 12:49:21 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 11, 2014, 12:47:06 PM
and RoN and Coney need a good run of games so fans, management and team members can learn to believe in them.
Yes Coney has his faults and seems to play with an element of fear but unless he gets a good run of games with no fear of being called ashore then he'll continue feeling on edge and that everyone is out to say he's just not got what it takes. McAliskey is another who has done well anytime I've saw him but he certainly hasn't got many chances this year. McGinley would be grand at wing back I think if he can be taught to stick tight to his man and not be so attack minded.
I'll be shocked if we don't see Mark D, Stevie and Conor Gormley all on early in the 2nd half if not before. Taking off Coney and/or McAliskey sends out the message that you're AGAIN not good enough.
I would be a fan of roman o'neill but after watching the Monaghan game it's hard to make a case for him starting. Was considerably off the pace and couldn't win the ball.
I think the point is that the like of Ronan O'Neill, Coney and a few others seem to get very few chances compared to others. There are a few players who were terrible against Monaghan and Down yet will play the next day without a doubt or be one of the first subs on. Definitely seems to be favourites. We have a terrible strategy which has been the same for years now, things need to evolve and change and I don't think Harte is the man to do that. All great managers run their course with a particular team.
Coney has been injured in recent years so never got a chance in the championship. Tomorrow is his third start of 5 championship games this year and he made a sub appearance in the other. He also got plenty of game time in the league. Ronan O'Neill started the first 3 but didn't take his chance. This is the first year he has probably entered the championship fully fit too.
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 11, 2014, 12:51:04 PM
Richie Donnelly wasn't making the UUJ team this year, they had a lot of big names, but he would want to be starting at that level if he to be the answer for Tyrone..
Mark McHugh wasn't making the UUJ Sigerson team the year he won the All-Ireland with Donegal. Ricey never played county minor or U21. The players are out there, its about finding them and developing them, and of course they must be ready and willing to give it everything. Mugsy said in his book he got the impression some players were only along for the ride. Suppose that's what you're up against too.
Quote from: tiempo on July 11, 2014, 02:01:52 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 11, 2014, 12:51:04 PM
Richie Donnelly wasn't making the UUJ team this year, they had a lot of big names, but he would want to be starting at that level if he to be the answer for Tyrone..
Mark McHugh wasn't making the UUJ Sigerson team the year he won the All-Ireland with Donegal. Ricey never played county minor or U21. The players are out there, its about finding them and developing them, and of course they must be ready and willing to give it everything. Mugsy said in his book he got the impression some players were only along for the ride. Suppose that's what you're up against too.
He was in Sligo IT and was making the team, he had been in NUI for one year but didn't make the freshers team. Im not that concerned about Tyrone to be honest, just saw Donnellys name mentioned.
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 11, 2014, 02:08:28 PM
Quote from: tiempo on July 11, 2014, 02:01:52 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 11, 2014, 12:51:04 PM
Richie Donnelly wasn't making the UUJ team this year, they had a lot of big names, but he would want to be starting at that level if he to be the answer for Tyrone..
Mark McHugh wasn't making the UUJ Sigerson team the year he won the All-Ireland with Donegal. Ricey never played county minor or U21. The players are out there, its about finding them and developing them, and of course they must be ready and willing to give it everything. Mugsy said in his book he got the impression some players were only along for the ride. Suppose that's what you're up against too.
He was in Sligo IT and was making the team, he had been in NUI for one year but didn't make the freshers team. Im not that concerned about Tyrone to be honest, just saw Donnellys name mentioned.
Rodney, for what its worth Donnelly was only returning from an injury when Sigerson commenced. The same injury also meant he missed trails for the county last December. Any how enough about 1 footballer, that was just one name I casually dropped, the greater point I was trying to make was that there is loads of talent in the County. Mickey Harte has as good as, if not better pick than any other manager in Ulster. In my opinion Mickey has too many favourites taking up places on the panel. We need fresh eyes on it at this stage
Ronan didn't play in the first game v Down and played OK before being taken off at half time in the replay.
He was very well marked v Monaghan, with poor ball being hit into him, as was SoN and McCurry and in games v teams like Monaghan and Donegal all forwards will struggle to get space.
He didn't play at all v Louth so he's not exactly been given much of a chance compared to Emmet McKenna who many would say is not half the player of Ronan albeit a different style of player. This is my point though. Mickey likes athletes that will run and work hard all day like McGinley as well. Not bad players but I think we've got better.
My point is Coney and Ronan are 2 of our top score getters and like lots of forwards they thrive on confidence and people showing belief in them. They don't have that now so there's far more pressure on them to perform when they do get on.
I'm actually glad to Stevie being held back though as better to take him on that take him off.
I wonder will Morgan be hitting Justy for the kick outs now at wing back?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 11, 2014, 02:23:03 PM
Ronan didn't play in the first game v Down and played OK before being taken off at half time in the replay.
He was very well marked v Monaghan, with poor ball being hit into him, as was SoN and McCurry and in games v teams like Monaghan and Donegal all forwards will struggle to get space.
He didn't play at all v Louth so he's not exactly been given much of a chance compared to Emmet McKenna who many would say is not half the player of Ronan albeit a different style of player. This is my point though. Mickey likes athletes that will run and work hard all day like McGinley as well. Not bad players but I think we've got better.
My point is Coney and Ronan are 2 of our top score getters and like lots of forwards they thrive on confidence and people showing belief in them. They don't have that now so there's far more pressure on them to perform when they do get on.
I'm actually glad to Stevie being held back though as better to take him on that take him off.
I wonder will Morgan be hitting Justy for the kick outs now at wing back?
As I say its coneys 3rd start of the championship and he's started a lot of league games so faith is being shown on him. On the one hand people want Harte to play players who aren't playing well so that they will improve with games while on the other they are criticising him for sticking with McKenna who is new and young and he clearly believes in.
Anyway it's the height of the championship and not a time to be worrying about getting rid of managers. Instead the focus should be on firing it into armagh on Sunday and keeping local pride. Armagh fans are very quiet at the minute but believe me that'll all change on Sunday with a win. Hopefully our boys have something to say about it.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 11, 2014, 04:04:54 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 11, 2014, 02:23:03 PM
Ronan didn't play in the first game v Down and played OK before being taken off at half time in the replay.
He was very well marked v Monaghan, with poor ball being hit into him, as was SoN and McCurry and in games v teams like Monaghan and Donegal all forwards will struggle to get space.
He didn't play at all v Louth so he's not exactly been given much of a chance compared to Emmet McKenna who many would say is not half the player of Ronan albeit a different style of player. This is my point though. Mickey likes athletes that will run and work hard all day like McGinley as well. Not bad players but I think we've got better.
My point is Coney and Ronan are 2 of our top score getters and like lots of forwards they thrive on confidence and people showing belief in them. They don't have that now so there's far more pressure on them to perform when they do get on.
I'm actually glad to Stevie being held back though as better to take him on that take him off.
I wonder will Morgan be hitting Justy for the kick outs now at wing back?
As I say its coneys 3rd start of the championship and he's started a lot of league games so faith is being shown on him. On the one hand people want Harte to play players who aren't playing well so that they will improve with games while on the other they are criticising him for sticking with McKenna who is new and young and he clearly believes in.
Anyway it's the height of the championship and not a time to be worrying about getting rid of managers. Instead the focus should be on firing it into armagh on Sunday and keeping local pride. Armagh fans are very quiet at the minute but believe me that'll all change on Sunday with a win. Hopefully our boys have something to say about it.
Coney didn't feature too much in the league this year. I think another big problem is the attackmindness of the half back line. McNabb, Donnelly and Harte are three excellent players but seemingly are thinking of going forward first and foremost with defending afterthought. There has to be some balance and I suppose thats why I like the idea of Gormley or Justy at CHB.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 11, 2014, 11:49:59 AM
Illdecide, you and many more from outside the county feel the exact same way about Harte
Like you said you only met the man once and you have a certain view of the man. Loads more feel the exact same. Lovely man and for God Sake he won 3 AI's with ye. Leave him be!
I'm not in a witch hunt to get him out but I think you're being a TAD naive. IMHO Mickey has had a lot on his mind the last number of years and so has been passed out by other younger managers in the tactical nous of what it takes now to win an AI. He's a very very very stubborn man who doesn't like being told what to do by all accounts. Back in 2003 (from reading his book) he seeked advice and help from everywhere and talked very openly to his players and backroom team.
"From what I hear", now he hardly talks to anyone and players are almost scared to engage with him. I'm not sure now as I'm not there but that's what I've been told.
The constant chopping and changing of players the last 2 years seems a little strange and IMHO doesn't let a team develop or grow properly.
We've definitely got the players there to be a top 5 team I think but would someone like Jim McGuinness to a better job with them. Look how little his teams change. Look how everyone knows their job inside out. Look how Mal O'Rourke has turned around a mediocre Monaghan into a team that could maybe claim back to back Ulsters which is no mean feat.
Fair enough we might not have a terrible manager but sometimes there needs to be a change of direction and a clean break. I wonder how the players themselves would feel but of course if they speak out they'll probably suffer.
In very recent times Tyrone got to the AI semis last year and the national league final. Not a bad year by any stretch and not poor enough to suggest there's any issues with your management, especially given the large overhaul of players and the transition in recent years.
Cmon Tyrone. Do it for Philly Jordan who still has pains in his jaw after the Marsden assault.
Time for the new brigade to show us what they have.
Die for the jersey and all that shit.
Finger Jamie's eye. Those were the days.
I wonder does Philly get much aggro at the Armagh games?
His Irish News column is excellent.
Any word of Armagh team? Not that'll make any difference, think we'll get a trimming.
Quote.RON has nowhere near the engine to play wing half forward at this level. Perhaps 11 but even then would he be able to track the runs of the likes of Colm Boyle or Karl Lacey. I really like him as a player and at club level he is phenomenal so hope it happens for him.
I find it hard to believe you can't develop an inter county standard 'engine' unless you have a physical problem. Otherwise it's about desire, attitude and application to training.
I would love to see Ronan develop into a star but I'm just not sure why it's not happening. Is it a MH issue, a RoN issue or simply that we expect too much too soon from some players who were good minor players and don't let them develop. Mattie D had the sense to yo away and develop himself before having a run at senior IC football.
Quote. . McNabb, Donnelly and Harte are three excellent players but seemingly are thinking of going forward first and foremost with defending afterthought. There has to be some balance and I suppose thats why I like the idea of Gormley or Justy at CHB.
McNabb is the most defensive of these 3. Tends to defend first and worry about going forward later.
Is there better in the county? Maybe, but they would need to submit to the system and that can sometimes be why they don't make the grade.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 11, 2014, 07:43:26 PM
I wonder does Philly get much aggro at the Armagh games?
Doubt it...although there is never a prat too far away.
Big crowd expected in Omagh. Mc Kenna cup is but a distant memory. Armagh can win this but I think Tyrone might fall over the line ( pardon the pun ).
This game is is the red hands to lose
Just hoping that the orchard can lift their game and get a result
I think we are better than last Sundays performance and Tyrone are no great shakes .
Tyrone to win tomorrow but not by much, maybe 2-3 points... The team selected does worry me greatly . The forward line is nowhere near good enough to challenge for national honours... A strong Armagh defence will give them all they want. If players are being picked for their athleticism well we better start looking at the best cross country runners and tri athletes in the county!!! I see a huge number of cyclists on the roads these days, maybe some of them would fancy a game... Meanwhile a lot of " footballers " getting overlooked....
No bother buying tickets outside lads?
I'm going for the draw.
Tyrone 1-18
Ourma 3-12
I see PG has spoken to ArmaghGAA.net and says C.Toner & Ethan Rafferty are out injured :(
Quick question. Can't access my emails so not sure what the story is with Season Tickets for this game. Is it same as Louth game where just need the Season Ticket card to get in and sit anywhere or is it a case of needing to print out your ticket and designated seating? Thanks
Quote from: ONeill on July 12, 2014, 12:33:11 PM
I'm going for the draw.
Tyrone 1-18
Ourma 3-12
Soft bollix ONeill...you know rightly we'll get a right pasting ffs:-)
Just bring your card on the sideline, nothing else needed for this one.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 12, 2014, 02:09:55 PM
Just bring your card on the sideline, nothing else needed for this one.
Good man. Thank you.
Anyone else notice that the subs are not listed as previous for tomorrow?
16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo
17 – Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
18 – Barry Tierney – An Omaigh
19 – Martin Penrose – An Charraig Mhór
20 – Conor Gormley – An Charraig Mhór
21 – Stephen O'Neill – Clann na nGael
22 – Conan Grugan – An Omaigh
23 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh
24 – Peter Hughes – Eiscreach
25 – Patrick McNeice – Oileán a'Ghuail
26 – Plunkett Kane – Oileán a'Ghuail
Two defenders listed in the 26?
I reckon there's a fair chance the Taoiseach could phone Mickey Harte at half time to ask that they go easy on Armagh in the 2nd half.
Anyone know what radio station is covering the match?
Well, it is July 13th and the Orangemen are playing, so barring post-celebratory hangovers, I'm going for the upset: Armagh 2-11. Tyrone 1-13
I don't hold out much hope.
Tyrone 1-21 Armagh 0-14.
Useless
Tyrone 2-19 Armagh 0-11
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 12, 2014, 06:03:11 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 12, 2014, 12:16:18 PM
No bother buying tickets outside lads?
Anyone?
I am wandering the same DuffleKing, id say we will be fine as long as we get there early.
So, lads and lassies, can anyone tell me what radio station is carrying the match? Thanks.
The reverse psychology shite on here is hilarious.
Ye spend most of the year telling us we're a spent force and we should let Block, SON, two McMahons go and accept we're in kidding ourselves.
Then when we meet suddenly we're a top 4 team who our excellent manager who deserve to get to semi finals and National league finals.
My true honest expectation is a bit like the first Down match.
We will really struggle but finish well but a moral defeat.
Quote from: Oraisteach on July 12, 2014, 08:06:40 PM
So, lads and lassies, can anyone tell me what radio station is carrying the match? Thanks.
Best bet would be Q101.2
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 12, 2014, 09:42:01 PM
The reverse psychology shite on here is hilarious.
Ye spend most of the year telling us we're a spent force and we should let Block, SON, two McMahons go and accept we're in kidding ourselves.
Then when we meet suddenly we're a top 4 team who our excellent manager who deserve to get to semi finals and National league finals.
My true honest expectation is a bit like the first Down match.
We will really struggle but finish well but a moral defeat.
It would be nice to stay undefeated against the apple chompers for a whole decade though.
Thanks Gaffer
Quote from: ONeill on July 12, 2014, 10:20:58 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 12, 2014, 09:42:01 PM
The reverse psychology shite on here is hilarious.
Ye spend most of the year telling us we're a spent force and we should let Block, SON, two McMahons go and accept we're in kidding ourselves.
Then when we meet suddenly we're a top 4 team who our excellent manager who deserve to get to semi finals and National league finals.
My true honest expectation is a bit like the first Down match.
We will really struggle but finish well but a moral defeat.
It would be nice to stay undefeated against the apple chompers for a whole decade though.
Sitting in quinta
Still hate the red hands
The orchard by 3 😉
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 12, 2014, 09:42:01 PM
The reverse psychology shite on here is hilarious.
Ye spend most of the year telling us we're a spent force and we should let Block, SON, two McMahons go and accept we're in kidding ourselves.
Then when we meet suddenly we're a top 4 team who our excellent manager who deserve to get to semi finals and National league finals.
My true honest expectation is a bit like the first Down match.
We will really struggle but finish well but a moral defeat.
I Don't think it is reverse psychology at this point. The actual codology is the stuff that has been said before the draw was made. When the teams are pulled out it is time for people to get real. In reality we are improving very gradually, but.....
- we were relegated to div 3
- The game is in Omagh
- we are coming off a defeat 7 days ago
- 5-16 to 0-7!! (only McKenna cup but still a humiliation)
We have hope but it is just that, not expectation. I'm thinking we need more things to go for us than yous do tomorrow. But you never know, 9 years is a long time not to beat Tyrone and its gonna happen sooner rather than later. We do have some excellent players its all about whether they can all turn up tomorrow.
It's Jamie v Sean.
Only one winner then!!!
Jamie can't buy a free, whereas Sean ............!!!!!
As Oisin Mcconville put it last week "Other than Jamie up front Armagh have nothing. If you cut off the supply to Jamie...."
Double mark him and its game over Armagh... As people have stated we are a div 3 team and got beat 7 days ago and are away to our rivals who happen to be a div 1 team and have had our measure for years. You can count on 1 hand the amount of championship wins in the last 4-5 years so how the f**k can you Tyrone wans think it could be close...Tyrone by 8pts and Mc Curry to score first goal.
Tyrone 2:16 Armagh 1-11
Longford bate Derry
Can't see either side racking up big scores tomorrow. Under 35 points is my wee bet tomorrow in this one.
Before the season an expected outcome would be Donegal and Monaghan getting to the Ulster final and Tyrone proving better than Down and Aramgh. This seems likely to work out that way, but perhaps Armagh have a "Barry Duffy" who can make a cameo appearance and do the needful.
I would like to see Armagh win this encounter, Tyrone need to learn that the 2000's are in the past.
Kieran Toner ruled out for Armagh.This game is reminiscent of the Cavan match where no one gave Armagh a chance and look what happened.Expecting a hard fought close game.
Sean Cavanagh out as well.
Split his head yesterday off a diving board I believe.
I wonder will the friendly oranje brigade have a good welcome for Morgan today as he saunters up to take his frees
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 13, 2014, 09:07:29 AM
Sean Cavanagh out as well.
Split his head yesterday off a diving board I believe.
I wonder will the friendly oranje brigade have a good welcome for Morgan today as he saunters up to take his frees
Why Fuzzman has Armagh a history of abusing footballers as they take their free kicks?
Tony mcEntee going for an Armagh win in the Examiner yesterday. Having said that he is referring to SoN and JoeMcMahon, neither of whom are in the 15 (would be amazed if Joe even makes the bench given his injury) does he know something we don't?
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/injury-and-age-hands-impetus-to-armagh-but-are-they-hungry-275259.html
They had in 05 last score of the game ;D
Sean Cavanagh diving! :o
I just don't know how to call this game...every day I have a different view on it,yesterday it was Tyrone and now this morning I'm thinking we can do this and beat these Garth brooks lovers and send them home from Omagh on the Massey Ferguson's they came on...
What about the draw...f**k I'm changing my mind again...lol
Will there be tickets on sale at the ground?
I'm sure you will, however, a handier place to get them is the Centra on Campsie road. Small diversion off the road to Healy Park. Stick it into sat nav and your sorted or if you need directions PM me.
Quote from: illdecide on July 13, 2014, 11:00:31 AM
I just don't know how to call this game...every day I have a different view on it,yesterday it was Tyrone and now this morning I'm thinking we can do this and beat these Garth brooks lovers and send them home from Omagh on the Massey Ferguson's they came on...
What about the draw...f**k I'm changing my mind again...lol
We need to blow hot and take the vast majority of any chance we get against Tyrone, they are simply too good for us and I am hoping to keep it within 6 points to be honest.
Quote from: tyroneman on July 13, 2014, 10:02:26 AM
Tony mcEntee going for an Armagh win in the Examiner yesterday. Having said that he is referring to SoN and JoeMcMahon, neither of whom are in the 15 (would be amazed if Joe even makes the bench given his injury) does he know something we don't?
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/injury-and-age-hands-impetus-to-armagh-but-are-they-hungry-275259.html
He also refers to Aaron Kernan as having a key role even though I believe he will be starting from the bench.
Have to say I'm fearful about today's game and I just hope we aren't on the end of a hiding similar to the McKenna cup game earlier in the season.
Radio Ulster Orais, go to sports/gaa and Kildare are on at the minute.
Just went up and got my tickets at the main entrance. Same ticket to both sections of the ground. Was shocked how many are going in early with no game in before.
Good crowd of Oranje here in Silver birches.
A brawl to start things off
Just passing omagh now - would u be able to get in after half time?
0-7 to 0-5 to armagh h/t. mattie donnelly sent off on 2 yellows.
armagh by the sound of things should be further ahead and will have the breeze in the 2nd half.
Donnelly got his first yellow following a clearly orchestrated brawl at throw in when half a dozen Armagh players went for their marker at the same time. Yellow card for each side ensued which as ridiculous. That aside Armagh the better team so far. Some barely comprehensible refereeing decisions which have both sets of supporters laughing. Harte had a lot of work to do on the break.
Only one winner now by the sounds of it. Only for Niall Morgan Armagh would be out of site.
What a fuckim disgrace. Sayin nothing til I cool down tomorrow, but safe to say Mickey Hartes ears burning!
Score????
armagh win 0-13 to 0-10.
listening to it on radio and armagh by far the better side and should have won by a lot more.
disappointing to say the least :(
Be good to hear some of the Mickey Harte lovers on this board justify Tyrone's season. Even the most ardent Armagh fans would admit Mickey has a superior pick than Armagh.
So the almighty one has been outfoxed by Paul Grimley.
Let that sink in for a second.
Quote from: naka on July 12, 2014, 10:41:45 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 12, 2014, 10:20:58 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 12, 2014, 09:42:01 PM
The reverse psychology shite on here is hilarious.
Ye spend most of the year telling us we're a spent force and we should let Block, SON, two McMahons go and accept we're in kidding ourselves.
Then when we meet suddenly we're a top 4 team who our excellent manager who deserve to get to semi finals and National league finals.
My true honest expectation is a bit like the first Down match.
We will really struggle but finish well but a moral defeat.
It would be nice to stay undefeated against the apple chompers for a whole decade though.
Sitting in quinta
Still hate the red hands
The orchard by 3 😉
Life is fking great
The orchard deliver
Tyrone finished, Armagh on the rise, we should have won that by 10, brilliant day to be an Orangeman.
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Get in there!!
Bye bye Harte, Gormley and O'Neill.
Great win for Armagh and certainly an unexpected one considering that's 3games they have played in as many weeks. Hopefully we can get a decent draw now and get a day out in Croker at some stage. Totally dominated that game and a bigger winning margin would not have flattered Armagh. I think Hartes days are numbered.
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2014, 04:41:19 PM
I'd say that's the end of Harte. Tyrone going nowhere and badly in need of a shake up, new ideas and a new voice.
Nothing lasts forever.
Agreed.
Pete Harte and Mattie Donnelly massive loss but maybe not a bad thing to force changes.
Armagh for the AllIreland.
Not that it has any basis as they would have been totally different teams to that lined out today, but that some turn around from getting whipped 31-7 earlier in the year.
That be Tyrone starting to slide back, maybe they realise that the players aren`t there any more. As much as i have time for Mickey Harte, can he really progress this Tyrone team over the next 3/4 yrs or is it better for someone else to give it a go and maybe bring in a different pattern of play and style.
Some turn round in Armagh, especially when everybody wanted to give Grimley the road, i wouldn't put it solely down to McGeeney, grimley obviously had some input in their improvement.
Great win for the Division Three side!
I'm not bitter and don't hold grudges but I hope Phillip Jordan was watching.
To all the Tyrone posters - enjoy your summer :)
Quote from: EC Unique on July 06, 2014, 06:09:25 PM
This is just a matter of how much Tyrone win by. I hope Armagh players and supporters behave themselves in Omagh.
Armagh win by 03
Quote from: J OGorman on July 13, 2014, 04:51:29 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on July 06, 2014, 06:09:25 PM
This is just a matter of how much Tyrone win by. I hope Armagh players and supporters behave themselves in Omagh.
Armagh win by 03
He he!!!
Has anyone a list of the teams left in the qualifiers or know when the draw is on? Two hours ago I never thought I'd be asking that question!
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2014, 04:41:19 PM
I'd say that's the end of Harte. Tyrone going nowhere and badly in need of a shake up, new ideas and a new voice.
Nothing lasts forever.
Not sure MH is the type of person to resign, and the CB are probably too scared to sack him.
About f##kin time! Surprisingly comfortable that. Cmon Armagh.
Quote from: God14 on July 13, 2014, 04:40:38 PM
Be good to hear some of the Mickey Harte lovers on this board justify Tyrone's season.
Ah c'mon, they beat Louth. ;D
Seriously though, we'll done to Armagh for turning their season around in a week. I honestly wasn't expecting that.
Time to get the Mickey out lads.
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2014, 04:41:19 PM
I'd say that's the end of Harte. Tyrone going nowhere and badly in need of a shake up, new ideas and a new voice.
Nothing lasts forever.
This is surreal, this situation is exactly like the one Down had after their AI wins when things went pear shaped for them after their AI wins, Mickey Harte is a brilliant manager and been both in heaven with Tyrone and Hell with the loss of his daughter, as an Armagh man I wish nothing but the best for him and if the football keeps him going it will take him half a second to get another gig.
Maybe he should move on, I hope he does what's best for him and I would not be as quick to be letting go of a legend like him if he wants to come back.
One last thing, for all you Grimley haters out there, what are you thinking now????? I know Geezer etc help but he is the man at the top and the improvement from the league debacle until now is nothing short of miraculous. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
What were the respective teams and scoters please lads.
Big win for the orchard considering the respective NFL campaigns...
Well done Orchard men. !!!!
Just heard the result :o Was not expecting that after watching the game in Clones last week.
I would put all my money on Armagh getting Kildare away for next round
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I would put all my money on Armagh getting Kildare away for next round
Do not feckin say that!!!!!
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I would put all my money on Armagh getting Kildare away for next round
Do not feckin say that!!!!!
It's only the second hardest draw anyways.
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Time to get the Mickey out lads.
Should have went 5 years ago. The man is going to destroy Tyrone football. I've followed Tyrone for over 30 years and rarely missed a game but now that continues dross has sickened me. If he's there next year I wont.
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I would put all my money on Armagh getting Kildare away for next round
Do not feckin say that!!!!!
It's only the second hardest draw anyways.
Aye but it is a lot harder than it needs to be.
Fixed that.
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I would put all my money on Armagh getting Kildare away for next round
Do not feckin say that!!!!!
It's only the second hardest draw anyways.
I wouldn't like any of the three but I think Kildare will motivate McGeeney even more so
Aye but it is a lot harder than most!
Great day to be in orange in Omagh.
Superior in every area of the pitch after the sending off. Very impressed with hunger, drive and pace in the armagh team today.
Tyrone were poor. No fight in them but I wouldn't be so quick to dispense with Harte. One point I would make is that Tyrone were physically bullied in most contests - Is there a weakness in their conditioning
Guys
Anyone with the Armagh team and changes
Also what was the row about
Don't really see how people can blame Harte for today. Players aren't there. Refer to u21 records for the past few years.
EDIT: Also I don't feel there is any need to get rid of him as he will probably walk himself after today, knowing that's the standard of players he's been left with.
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 13, 2014, 05:25:49 PM
Great day to be in orange in Omagh.
Superior in every area of the pitch after the sending off. Very impressed with hunger, drive and pace in the armagh team today.
Tyrone were poor. No fight in them but I wouldn't be so quick to dispense with Harte. One point I would make is that Tyrone were physically bullied in most contests - Is there a weakness in their conditioning
Same every game. You only have to look at their trainer. Wouldnt fill you with confidence.
Row was simply a former and m Donnelly wrestling with each other. Both teams piled in for handbags. Deserved yellow each.
Mcevoy
Murray
Morgan
Shields
Maldon
Mallon
Vernon
Mckeever
Finder
Finden
Harold
Dyas
A forker
Campbell
Jamie
S forker
Tk
Firstly well done to Armagh today could easily have won the game by 10 points or more. For all the mickeys brigade i hope you are happy. Untill Harte goes Tyrone supporters will continue to be served up second rate footballers and second rate tactics. Poor stuff long past his sell by date Mickey needs to go.
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We've beaten them 433 times since the 2002 first round game.
Sorry about the 2005 Ulster final, we won't mention the cheating in 2003 ;)
Yea, well done. Massive achievement.
We beat a team in terminal decline. Mickey please don't go.
Tougher tests lie ahead, what's your McKenna cup victory worth today?
Playing same type of football since 09. Cork destroyed us then and the warning was never heeded. Getting to the AI semi last year papered over the cracks. Sean had a vintage year in '13, this year he was poor (by his admittedly high standards) and he couldn't carry the team.
Once again it was Conor who showed the biggest fight when he came on, a sad state of affairs that no one else seems to want it as much. I'm not going to start Mickey bashing, he's brought us so many happy days. However, it appears to have run it's course.
Well done to Armagh, as said many times you deserved to win by twice as much. I'm just glad we didn't stumble into the quarter finals and get an almighty hammering.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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It's only now I can appreciate the Armagh games. Hated them at the time.
Hard to think which one was the most enjoyable. Maybe the McKenna Cup game in Casement when 90'000 turned up on a snowy January day.
Best memory - the '05 semi.
Worst memory - the '02 replay defeat
The '05 Ulster final defeat didn't bother me that much as you still thought Tyrone could win the AI.
Other memories - the Mugsy goal after about 10 seconds in '01. The NFL game in 2003 in Omagh. The drawn final in '05 when O'Neill tormented Bellew but the cuteness of McConville and McDonnell kept Armagh in it.
I think this is the 250th time you have said that on here since 2005 - my best memory was the 2002. I always thought it was sweet especially the teams we beat to win the All-Ireland but as this message board grew and some of the bitter wee men from Tyrone signed up with the invention of football in 2003, it has become all the more sweeter as they really do resent, no matter what they say, that we won it before them. It is great that it hurts them that much, yeah yeah 3 All-Irelands, cheated Armagh in 2003 and continue to ply your cheating trade, the whole country now sees you for what you are, now dry them. ;D
I'd much prefer three all Ireland's to one.
And I think it will remain at 1 for a very very long time. I doubt any of us here will ever see Armagh lift Sam again but we see Tyrone lift it plenty of times. Armagh are gone and they ain't coming back anytime soon while Tyrone will always be there or thereabouts.
They won't be lifting anything this year. ;D Only thing I saw them lift today was themselves of the floor. ;)
Quote from: StGallsGAA on July 13, 2014, 04:00:01 PM
Donnelly got his first yellow following a clearly orchestrated brawl at throw in when half a dozen Armagh players went for their marker at the same time. Yellow card for each side ensued which as ridiculous. That aside Armagh the better team so far. Some barely comprehensible refereeing decisions which have both sets of supporters laughing. Harte had a lot of work to do on the break.
You must have watching a different game.
Disappointing result but can't say I am surprised. Tyrone forwards muscled out of it. Too many of them love big spaces and don't like to mix it. Don't like it when its up close and personal.
As for people calling mickeys head. I probably agree but not based on this performance. Firstly, I agree with the view that the calibre of player isn't there, certainly not up to likes of caravan, dooher or cavlan. And I agree, mickey is one of the best managers in modern football. However in saying that, I still believe it would be better for him to step down for a number of reasons.
firstly, the players are tired of his management. He doesn't speak to the younger players, doesn't interact with them but for a few so there is a resentment there from a lot of the younger players. They don't particularly want to play for him. The vast majority don't enjoy it and no buzz at training.
Secondly, mickey has a style of player that he likes, all good ball players, runners and quiet fellas. good lads who are happy to sit on the bench for a while and bide their time without rocking the boat. But you can see there is a distinct lack of character in that team today. How many of that team are captains of their clubs? very few. cavanagh, gormely, mattie d. you can pick them out. mickey needs to swallow his pride and maybe go for men rather than boys with talent. stevie mcnulty is a hard strong player who ok, might not ave the pace or skill of mcginely but would win every ball kicked between them. its ok having a team of boys who can play when goings good and hammering teams in mckenna cup, but when goings tough, you need men to stand up and tyrone lack that because mickey is afraid they will rock the boat.
thirdy, mickey needs a break himself. when you are staring at a problem and can't fix it sometimes you can get tunnel vision and i fear thats what may have happened mickey. he needs to take a break, step back and look on from the outside. There is nothing stopping him coming back in a few years when he's fresher and the boys might not be tired listening to him.
Jeepers. I knew we were baddish. But not that bad.
Armagh could have scored 3-4 goals if they believed in themselves. I think the penny dropped after about 20 mins with Armagh that we aren't up to much.
So stale. Decent footballers playing shit tactics. Those balls into the corners??? For a whole half???
Stevie and Sean and Conor. They were needed just to keep us close. Dark days ahead if nothing changes.
Well done Armagh. Everything civil and calm during. The ref was a balax.
Well done Armagh. Shocking lack of faith and belief by their supporters on here in their management and footballers before the game now every Armagh supporter on here must mix their joy with humble pie. You have lads putting in honest effort from management through to players now support them properly stop bitching like a pile of women and get behind them. I for one will be wishing them further success as they were the superior team on the day.
Masterstroke from tyrone taking conor mckenna in after the minors! Good move.
Never mind matties first card wtf was the second for? Nahim as they say.
Ref was a disgrace. He didnt blow the most basic fouls.let alone black cards. Gaa joke after that.
Arma well worth win btw.
Quote from: rrhf on July 13, 2014, 06:45:25 PM
Well done Armagh. Shocking lack of faith and belief by their supporters on here in their management and footballers before the game now every Armagh supporter on here must mix their joy with humble pie. You have lads putting in honest effort from management through to players now support them properly stop bitching like a pile of women and get behind them. I for one will be wishing them further success as they were the superior team on the day.
Tyrone folk?
And now for Tyrone. ... Our physical conditioning looked poor compared to the opposition. We lost out all over the field in the battles. Perhaps it was the row at the start but we had many headless chickens in defence for most of the first half. Our midfield was shambolic not helped by many poor kick outs and the ball into the forward line was terrible. That was today and there needs to be a root and branch look at what we are doing in Tyrone football who is managing and coaching at all levels right down to the type of footballers we are putting through so called development squads. It needs to be on the level done post 96.
Finally if this is the final game for some of the greatest legends to manage or play for Tyrone then our appreciation for their efforts is very important here. They have been our greatest and what a ride we all had.
The era is over and Tyrone are most definitely another 5 or 6 years away from challenging again. The players aren't there.
Honestly knew this team wasn't great but our next crop of lads aren't good enough or near it. Old guard kept the thing respectable. Mickey should probably move on but to be honest the quality isn't there. It shows how far we have fallen that - no offence intended - this Armagh side comfortably beat us. Getting sick of these young lads getting chance after chance and putting in nothing performances. Gormley came on and within 2 minutes a man hanging of him got a elbow thrown back while he was on the ball putting the fella down. That mentality not to be bullied isn't in these lads. They all put in serious training and give up so much for our enjoyment but I think too many really are too happy to be county players and have not a hint of nastiness. Fcuk that! It's about winning. Who isn't on the panel that would make that big a difference? That's the scary thing for me. Conor McKenna going to Oz is a nightmare too if he stays out there. He's the only real top drawer player I see coming through and could be with Donnelly and Harte our driving force in the next 5 years. Well done to Armagh. Enjoy it as you've had to put up with many bad days of late!
I agree on the ref. Worst display of inconsistency I have seen in quite some time. Why bother getting annoyed, it'll never change.
Ah jAysus that was disappointing on so many levels.
The same tactics fom 09-14. The same results. Nada.
I use the word 'tactics' loosely as all we seem to do is run into trouble, turn and pass back then repeat until ball is lost. Occasionally, as a nod to variety, we pump aimless ball into the corners. That's it.
As has been mentioned already it is the old dogs that bring any sort of passion. Mattie D is the only newcomer who shows any heart and without him we were in big diffs.
Penrose pulling out of that 80/20 ball (in his favour) near the end was shamefull. He offers little to the team anymore and while you can forgive a bad day at the office but not a lack of courage.
It's impossible though for a team (and units in that team) to get any cohesion when there is so much chopping and changing. Coney gets no time against Louth yet starts at CHF today. Shea plays fairly well and is dropped. A team needs the to gel. It needs consistency. Players need to know each other react in game situations. To understand each other's runs and moves they have to play together.
This whole playing people out of position is also getting unreal. McKenna and mcGinley are so far from being wing forwards it's laughable.
Armagh.
Jeepers.
How Armagh couldn't put away 14 men with more ease was unreal.With an extra man against a disjointed Tyrone team they were playing 2 sweepers at times for goodness sake.
Good luck to them in the next round.
I'm not sure where we go from here.
Tyrone are shaping up into a good Mc Kenna Cup team 8)!
Unfortunately (or fortunately) I couldn't get over for the game today so I'm not able to comment on today's display. However, I would agree with most that it's probably time for a change but ffs there's some Tyrone lads who actually seem smug that we got beat so they could race on here to slag Mickey off and tell us that they told us so. I've been following Tyrone long enough to know that there were days like this before Mickey came along and we were spoiled for many years. It's hardly surprising that Mickey has many supporters in the county who remember those good days and were prepared to give him a benefit of the doubt that may not have been afforded to others. Yes, it's probably time to go, but let's not hang the man out to dry by having an open season on his reputation. Remember what he has bought to the county during the glory years (not just the past few years) and give him the respect he deserves over the next few days. Fair play to Armagh, sounds like they had their homework done and best of luck to them for the rest of the qualifiers.
Quote from: rrhf on July 13, 2014, 06:45:25 PM
Well done Armagh. Shocking lack of faith and belief by their supporters on here in their management and footballers before the game now every Armagh supporter on here must mix their joy with humble pie. You have lads putting in honest effort from management through to players now support them properly stop bitching like a pile of women and get behind them. I for one will be wishing them further success as they were the superior team on the day.
The only one's needing to eat humble pie are the Tyronies. I knew we would beat Tyrone ;) , and should have had them out of sight by half time. ;D
Great win but very laboured. 17 wides and two gilt edged goal chances missed and you could never get rid of the fear of a repeat of 97 and Tyrone stealing victory at the end in a match dominated by Armagh.More emphasis needed on fforward play and scoring.On plus side we have unearthed some very good players in Findon, Shields Harold etc and Campbell and Dyas improving rapidly.
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Quote from: rrhf on July 13, 2014, 06:45:25 PM
Well done Armagh. Shocking lack of faith and belief by their supporters on here in their management and footballers before the game now every Armagh supporter on here must mix their joy with humble pie. You have lads putting in honest effort from management through to players now support them properly stop bitching like a pile of women and get behind them. I for one will be wishing them further success as they were the superior team on the day.
The only one's needing to eat humble pie are the Tyronies. I knew we would beat Tyrone ;) , and should have had them out of sight by half time. ;D
Amazing hubris from a support whose team have been nowhere near the top table for almost a decade.
Any team that hasn't the courage to press on and put a disjointed 14 man team to the sword needs to ask itself questions. Playing 2 sweepers in the second half ffs ::)
and still only a kick of a ball in it.
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Quote from: rrhf on July 13, 2014, 06:45:25 PM
Well done Armagh. Shocking lack of faith and belief by their supporters on here in their management and footballers before the game now every Armagh supporter on here must mix their joy with humble pie. You have lads putting in honest effort from management through to players now support them properly stop bitching like a pile of women and get behind them. I for one will be wishing them further success as they were the superior team on the day.
The only one's needing to eat humble pie are the Tyronies. I knew we would beat Tyrone ;) , and should have had them out of sight by half time. ;D
Amazing hubris from a support whose team have been nowhere near the top table for almost a decade.
Any team that hasn't the courage to press on and put a disjointed 14 man team to the sword needs to ask itself questions. Playing 2 sweepers in the second half ffs ::)
and still only a kick of a ball in it.
Any division 1 team who has been at the top table for so long and can't beat a poor division 3 team has more questions to ask than Armagh. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Well done Armagh. Shocking lack of faith and belief by their supporters on here in their management and footballers before the game now every Armagh supporter on here must mix their joy with humble pie. You have lads putting in honest effort from management through to players now support them properly stop bitching like a pile of women and get behind them. I for one will be wishing them further success as they were the superior team on the day.
The only one's needing to eat humble pie are the Tyronies. I knew we would beat Tyrone ;) , and should have had them out of sight by half time. ;D
Amazing hubris from a support whose team have been nowhere near the top table for almost a decade.
Any team that hasn't the courage to press on and put a disjointed 14 man team to the sword needs to ask itself questions. Playing 2 sweepers in the second half ffs ::)
and still only a kick of a ball in it.
Any division 1 team who has been at the top table for so long and can't beat a poor division 3 team has more questions to ask than Armagh. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
As I said...the hubris is unreal.
My favourite type of Tyrone fan after getting bate: "Yeah, Armagh are still shite"
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My favourite type of Tyrone fan after getting bate: "Yeah, Armagh are still shite"
I prefer the ones that blame the ref ;)
Puts it into perspective now. A poor Down team should have beaten Tyrone in Omagh. Shows how good they are. Doesn't tell us how good Our Ma are though. Next round will tell. ::)
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Quote from: rrhf on July 13, 2014, 06:45:25 PM
Well done Armagh. Shocking lack of faith and belief by their supporters on here in their management and footballers before the game now every Armagh supporter on here must mix their joy with humble pie. You have lads putting in honest effort from management through to players now support them properly stop bitching like a pile of women and get behind them. I for one will be wishing them further success as they were the superior team on the day.
The only one's needing to eat humble pie are the Tyronies. I knew we would beat Tyrone ;) , and should have had them out of sight by half time. ;D
Amazing hubris from a support whose team have been nowhere near the top table for almost a decade.
Any team that hasn't the courage to press on and put a disjointed 14 man team to the sword needs to ask itself questions. Playing 2 sweepers in the second half ffs ::)
and still only a kick of a ball in it.
Any division 1 team who has been at the top table for so long and can't beat a poor division 3 team has more questions to ask than Armagh. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
As I said...the hubris is unreal.
You need the kleenex, dry them ffs. ;D
Just hope Armagh go on and do themselves justice, no point doing what Longford did, beat Derry then get trimmed next day out. If they keep there Heads right they could get to the last 8
Armagh beat Cavan and drew with Monaghan away and beat Tyrone away.Little doubt that they are the third best team in Ulster currently
Good stuff Armagh, breaking the 7 day hoodoo.
I didn't give youse a a chance. Happy to be proven wrong. We may meet again.
Could see this coming a mile away. Mickey Harte is a legend and aways will be but he has had a very poor year. I said on here months ago that he needed to establish his best team and stick with it rather than the constant changes game to game that seems to have become his way in recent years. There has been no continuity and the team has been a mess. The changes often seem to be entirely random. think that the talk of Tyrone not having the players is wrong. There are some very talented players indeed and whilst they aren't AI contenders they are much better than the disjointed performances seen this summer.Most definitley time for a change.
Fair play to Armagh on a deserved win and good luck for the rest of the summer.
Armagh showing great character, both today and coming back to draw with Monaghan, however spruning so many chances will cost dearly. Everyone praying for a showdown next weekend against Kildare! What a clash that would be!
I know from genuine Armagh football people how the lack of support for Grimley me geeney and the team beforehand was gutting. Will the online basher s come on here this evening and give a renewed vote of confidence in the management and players or are they just going to hope everyone forgets. To push on from this Armagh supporters on here would need to show the proper support that is typical of counties that win things.
My face hurts from grinning. It's been a long time since i left healy park in this mood. The only downside was that we only won by 3. Andy Mallon my man of the match, with excellent performances from Jamie, Harold, Findon and many more. The rebuilding process is ticking along nicely. UP THE ORCHARD
I was one who gave Armagh little chance today,but like hordes of Armagh fans I was in Healy Park today. That's the loyalty test.Management certainly seem to have instilled character and effective defensive systems but 17 wides today shows much work still to be done.
On the contrary to some weak hearted Armagh fans, I gave them my vote of confidence to beat Tyrone.
Well done and all that and maybe now ye can stop whining about that finger pressure push on McEvoy.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 13, 2014, 09:27:13 PM
I was one who gave Armagh little chance today,but like hordes of Armagh fans I was in Healy Park today. That's the loyalty test.Management certainly seem to have instilled character and effective defensive systems but 17 wides today shows much work still to be done.
Of course there is but at what point do you admit Grimley is the man and my geeney makes a super number 2.
Like all good management teams they need to show consistency, and achievement over a significant period.Think it's obvious that Mc Geeney is now calling the shots
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Quote from: T Fearon on July 13, 2014, 09:27:13 PM
I was one who gave Armagh little chance today,but like hordes of Armagh fans I was in Healy Park today. That's the loyalty test.Management certainly seem to have instilled character and effective defensive systems but 17 wides today shows much work still to be done.
Of course there is but at what point do you admit Grimley is the man and my geeney makes a super number 2.
I'd say the point at which you make that statement is a bit further down the line than after round 2 of the qualifiers.
Quote from: rrhf on July 13, 2014, 08:52:38 PM
I know from genuine Armagh football people how the lack of support for Grimley me geeney and the team beforehand was gutting. Will the online basher s come on here this evening and give a renewed vote of confidence in the management and players or are they just going to hope everyone forgets. To push on from this Armagh supporters on here would need to show the proper support that is typical of counties that win things.
You sound like a man hurting. There is always next year!
I don't think Armagh would be too worried about going further. They knocked out Tyrone. Happy turkey guzzlers at Christmas dinner.
Quote from: rrhf on July 13, 2014, 07:02:04 PM
And now for Tyrone. ... Our physical conditioning looked poor compared to the opposition. We lost out all over the field in the battles. Perhaps it was the row at the start but we had many headless chickens in defence for most of the first half. Our midfield was shambolic not helped by many poor kick outs and the ball into the forward line was terrible. That was today and there needs to be a root and branch look at what we are doing in Tyrone football who is managing and coaching at all levels right down to the type of footballers we are putting through so called development squads. It needs to be on the level done post 96.
Finally if this is the final game for some of the greatest legends to manage or play for Tyrone then our appreciation for their efforts is very important here. They have been our greatest and what a ride we all had.
The era is over and Tyrone are most definitely another 5 or 6 years away from challenging again. The players aren't there.
The old root and branch review comment, who is going to ask/call for that, and who is going to carry it out? Turkeys ain't gonna vote for Christmas.
What post 96 root and branch assessment was done? Mickey already had a good run at the minors by that stage without success and continued until 98, so he wasn't replaced for example.
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 13, 2014, 08:06:54 PM
Puts it into perspective now. A poor Down team should have beaten Tyrone in Omagh. Shows how good they are. Doesn't tell us how good Our Ma are though. Next round will tell. ::)
Down could have beat Tyrone in Omagh, but they should have been hammered, as they were in the replay.
That comment is not necessarily about replacement. It's about Co ordination and discussion. There are enough radicals to talk of changing individuals. I would stick to strategy
Shane every Tyrone fan should be surveyed on the future of Tyrone football,questions to be asked should include the return of Art, Kevin Mc Cabe coming out of retirement etc. Root and branch review needed just like Germany did after they lost 5-1 to England
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 13, 2014, 08:06:54 PM
Puts it into perspective now. A poor Down team should have beaten Tyrone in Omagh. Shows how good they are. Doesn't tell us how good Our Ma are though. Next round will tell. ::)
5 SAMs
Just as well Armagh men are helping out your underage teams 😉
We will show you boys how to beat the tyronnies
Spoke to the brother in Vegas to tell him the score
Life is good
Great win for Armagh and more the sweeter in Omagh. Revenge against Roscommon next and then Monaghan again or Donegal in round 4?
Quote from: T Fearon on July 13, 2014, 10:17:54 PM
Shane every Tyrone fan should be surveyed on the future of Tyrone football,questions to be asked should include the return of Art, Kevin Mc Cabe coming out of retirement etc. Root and branch review needed just like Germany did after they lost 5-1 to England
How do you rate Armagh Tony.
Congrats to Armagh
Ye should have won by a lot more.
The Armagh lads in front of us were saying that they didn't believe their Tyrone friends when they were told how bad we were.
At least my wife and Brolly will be happy now. :D
There was a weird atmosphere at that game today from Tyrone supporters. No deflation or dejection. Almost a sense of thank feck that's over.
Quote from: ONeill on July 13, 2014, 11:36:02 PM
There was a weird atmosphere at that game today from Tyrone supporters. No deflation or dejection. Almost a sense of thank feck that's over.
Thought that myself at one stage I am nearly sure the Apple Munchers were starting to feel sorry for us.
Tyrone's semi appearance last year looks a one-off. Never got going this year, the second back-door defeat after Monaghan was a matter of time.
Quote from: ONeill on July 13, 2014, 11:36:02 PM
There was a weird atmosphere at that game today from Tyrone supporters. No deflation or dejection. Almost a sense of thank feck that's over.
The Garth Brooks debacle really must have taken it's toll on Tyrone folk!
Definitely no visit to Croker this year now for ya's...
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Quote from: ONeill on July 13, 2014, 11:36:02 PM
There was a weird atmosphere at that game today from Tyrone supporters. No deflation or dejection. Almost a sense of thank feck that's over.
Thought that myself at one stage I am nearly sure the Apple Munchers were starting to feel sorry for us.
Was glad we didn't get a leathering from Dublin, Kerry etc but was very deflated that we went out with such a lack of fight.
Quote from: ONeill on July 13, 2014, 11:36:02 PM
There was a weird atmosphere at that game today from Tyrone supporters. No deflation or dejection. Almost a sense of thank feck that's over.
Known as Celtic Park Syndrome
O'Neill gave Morgan some roasting in the opening 10 of the second half. Then McKeever dragged his paws off the ground and seemed to give Stevie the verbals for a minute or so.
Vernon did much better on O'Neill.
If you can call it a turning point, the two balls McNabb gave away down the right wing when Tyrone built their only head of steam and led 8-7 were crucial. Two poor pieces of distribution.
McKenna did rightly when pulled out.
Armagh's physicality and intensity was a nod to the '02 lads. A bit of McGeeney. They hounded Sean twice early on and turned him over.
Also, for all the dominance, Tyrone nearly goaled at the very end when Sean's fisted effort came off the post. As bad as Tyrone were, they could have sneaked it.
Quote from: naka on July 13, 2014, 10:20:28 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 13, 2014, 08:06:54 PM
Puts it into perspective now. A poor Down team should have beaten Tyrone in Omagh. Shows how good they are. Doesn't tell us how good Our Ma are though. Next round will tell. ::)
5 SAMs
Just as well Armagh men are helping out your underage teams 😉
We will show you boys how to beat the tyronnies
Spoke to the brother in Vegas to tell him the score
Life is good
Good man Naka. Hope your head's not too sore in the morning. Step away from the Buckfast.
On reflection the really strange thing for me was the lack of urgency from Tyrone at the end of the game. The players nearly seemed to accept their fate. At least when the minors were beat by Monaghan they tried something different. Tyrone just kept on with the same ineffective tactics for 70 minutes.
It's time for a change. It's been a long time from we've beaten a team of any significance. There's been a serious regression this year
Thought I saw Fearon afterwards.
Here's me: (http://i.imgur.com/tZOS8.gif)
Just watched it there on Brolly TV and if you watch the axhmozzle carefully McKeever will be very lucky to escape a suspension. He comes running in from the side and appears to hit Sean with his elbow around the side of the face or neck.
He then does the neck grab thing on Sean for ages.
Then you've got Whelan and Spillane saying its only handbags. How did they not highlight McKeevers attack on Sean
If you've not saw it then don't be commenting until you watch it.
Also noticed Spillane praised McGeeney but not Grimley. Unreal
McKeever is a walking black card.
However, he set the tone from the start and it worked.
McKeever was pumped from the start. He refused to look or shake hands with Sean. Then, as you say, he used the handbags to elbow Sean in the head. Scummy enough.
Classic tactic of Armagh to,rough tyrone lads up before the start it just got us talking this evening:
Who are Tyrone's tough guys??? Are we relying on Sean cav and Colly cav? They wouldn't be ones for the heat of the battle and that's Tyrone's problems! Never mind the rest
As eamon Coleman once said: "nice guys win nahin"
None. Gormley can handle himself but Armagh had our number in the physical stakes. And fair play to them. What McKeever did - see the Block a few years ago or Ricey.
Delighted with the win. Only hoped, didn't expect, which makes it all the sweeter.
Some Tyrone lads wandering where their enforcers were gonna come from......lads...ye never had any! Ricey Good footballer but nothing more than a mouth, no hard man. Gormley?? (again good footballer) another mouth who's party piece was shoving with both hands while mouthing. Even going back to the noughties, for Armagh's physicality read Tyrones diving and ability to con frees. Prob will always produce more pure footballers than us but as today showed, it doesn't always get you there.
Happy tonight 8)
You mustn't have seen much of Gormley. He perfected the Bellew art of the accidental decapitation.
Ricey I know what you mean but he didn't shirk from the physical either.
Yeo, yer sisters etc....
Quote from: ONeill on July 14, 2014, 01:24:05 AM
You mustn't have seen much of Gormley. He perfected the Bellew art of the accidental decapitation.
Ricey I know what you mean but he didn't shirk from the physical either.
How did gormley make it into a sentence with Francie????? He should never be there ;) ;) ;)
On rare occasions, the planets allign and all is well in the world, tonight is one of those rare occasions :-)
Armagh should have been out of sight long, long before the end ... plenty to improve on but it's good to be still there to have the chance to improve.
No Tyrone supporter should ever call for or suggest that Micky Harte should go ... given what he has given to the county over many years, that decision should be Micky Harte's and his alone. God knows, as an Armagh man, I've cursed him up and down over the years, but have nothing for him but the highest respect.
Quote from: balladmaker on July 14, 2014, 01:49:09 AM
On rare occasions, the planets allign and all is well in the world, tonight is one of those rare occasions :-)
Armagh should have been out of sight long, long before the end ... plenty to improve on but it's good to be still there to have the chance to improve.
No Tyrone supporter should ever call for or suggest that Micky Harte should go ... given what he has given to the county over many years, that decision should be Micky Harte's and his alone. God knows, as an Armagh man, I've cursed him up and down over the years, but have nothing for him but the highest respect.
Just out of interest. If, hypothetically, Armagh had a manager who led them to the greatest years they ever experienced - do you think the Armagh fans could ever see a situation where they would openly criticise him for decisions he made and call for him to go? Even though he had given so much to the county during those years?
Quote from: rrhf on July 13, 2014, 09:42:34 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on July 13, 2014, 09:27:13 PM
I was one who gave Armagh little chance today,but like hordes of Armagh fans I was in Healy Park today. That's the loyalty test.Management certainly seem to have instilled character and effective defensive systems but 17 wides today shows much work still to be done.
Of course there is but at what point do you admit Grimley is the man and my geeney makes a super number 2.
Still a shite stirring ballix after all these years rrhf, ye are cleaned fcuked!
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 14, 2014, 01:58:21 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on July 14, 2014, 01:49:09 AM
On rare occasions, the planets allign and all is well in the world, tonight is one of those rare occasions :-)
Armagh should have been out of sight long, long before the end ... plenty to improve on but it's good to be still there to have the chance to improve.
No Tyrone supporter should ever call for or suggest that Micky Harte should go ... given what he has given to the county over many years, that decision should be Micky Harte's and his alone. God knows, as an Armagh man, I've cursed him up and down over the years, but have nothing for him but the highest respect.
Just out of interest. If, hypothetically, Armagh had a manager who led them to the greatest years they ever experienced - do you think the Armagh fans could ever see a situation where they would openly criticise him for decisions he made and call for him to go? Even though he had given so much to the county during those years?
It happened - J. kernan
Just curious.
With no stand out successor how many Tyrone fans think Mickey should stay on?
Go on ARMAGH!!!!!!!!!!!!
There's one fair county in Ireland....
Loads of time to take up position on that.
Quote from: ONeill on July 14, 2014, 12:32:13 AM
McKeever is a walking black card.
However, he set the tone from the start and it worked.
McKeever was pumped from the start. He refused to look or shake hands with Sean. Then, as you say, he used the handbags to elbow Sean in the head. Scummy enough.
Sean's brother was at scummy enough antics, it's great seeing the Tyronies making excuses, Armagh were better all over the pitch, get over it.
As is normal now when one team wins a big match, we get the usual " the other team were hungrier, looked a lot fitter, were more organised, were stronger in the tackle, had a better game plan, were up for it, " etc etc etc.
Armagh had a better team. In most positions, Armagh won the individual battles. Armagh deserved their win and if anything, should have not been hanging on defending their goal at the end. It could have been much more comfortable.
Grimley has taken a lot of stick so well done to him and the backroom team.
Tyrone were described last night as a team in transition. I don't fully understand that point. They've been in transition as good while now.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 14, 2014, 12:24:20 AM
Just watched it there on Brolly TV and if you watch the axhmozzle carefully McKeever will be very lucky to escape a suspension. He comes running in from the side and appears to hit Sean with his elbow around the side of the face or neck.
He then does the neck grab thing on Sean for ages.
Then you've got Whelan and Spillane saying its only handbags. How did they not highlight McKeevers attack on Sean
If you've not saw it then don't be commenting until you watch it.
Also noticed Spillane praised McGeeney but not Grimley. Unreal
Claiming an elbow on poor Sean Cavanagh on the side of the face and then calling for a suspension for Mckeever. And to think of all the poor children watching this big bad man! Handbags if ever I seen handbags, at least the referee showed a common sense approach. Lets face it, Tyrone were comprehensively beaten by a better side in their own back yard but calling for Armagh suspensions is just sour grapes.
I'm not going to come on here saying this and that...I honestly didn't know how the game was going to pan out yesterday but I'm obviously happy with the outcome, I was a bit shocked tbh at how bad Tyrone were but at the same time there was only one kick of the ball in it for all Armagh's dominance and we def still need a lot of work.
I was disappointed when he brought on B Donaghy for the last five minutes or so...we already had an extra man and a forward at that stage prob would have finished them off properly but instead we invited them onto us, for the next day out we need to fit Grugan and A Kernan into the team. They will improve us.
As for Tyrone where do they go from here...I dunno but I can only see them improve and just write this year off as a bad job.
Quote from: illdecide on July 14, 2014, 10:52:45 AM
I'm not going to come on here saying this and that...I honestly didn't know how the game was going to pan out yesterday but I'm obviously happy with the outcome, I was a bit shocked tbh at how bad Tyrone were but at the same time there was only one kick of the ball in it for all Armagh's dominance and we def still need a lot of work.
I was disappointed when he brought on B Donaghy for the last five minutes or so...we already had an extra man and a forward at that stage prob would have finished them off properly but instead we invited them onto us, for the next day out we need to fit Grugan and A Kernan into the team. They will improve us.
As for Tyrone where do they go from here...I dunno but I can only see them improve and just write this year off as a bad job.
That's about right.
Armagh are fairly strong defensively. It's a pity Jamie hasn't another top class forward to play off. A young Stevie McDonnell type forward would see Armagh as comfortable quarter final prospects.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 14, 2014, 12:24:20 AM
Just watched it there on Brolly TV and if you watch the axhmozzle carefully McKeever will be very lucky to escape a suspension. He comes running in from the side and appears to hit Sean with his elbow around the side of the face or neck.
He then does the neck grab thing on Sean for ages.
Then you've got Whelan and Spillane saying its only handbags. How did they not highlight McKeevers attack on Sean
If you've not saw it then don't be commenting until you watch it.
Also noticed Spillane praised McGeeney but not Grimley. Unreal
Maybe you should write to Paddy Heaney and get him to highlight it, kleenex must be sold out in Tyrone by now. ;D
Zip Code - you have tried about a dozen times now to get our attention. Please let the big boys talk.
This result and the Longford Derry game makes a mockery of the NFL. Apart from the Dubs and Mayo there's not a lot between mid division 1 and division 3.
ONeill I'd agree with that... We have a decent defence, our mid field is okay but very young and in experienced but can hold their own, our attack has Clarke and Campbell can chip in with scores too but he gets played on the 40 too much and I feel he's better closer to goal. Another class forward or two would definitely be the answer to our problems...
Quote from: ONeill on July 14, 2014, 11:15:12 AM
Zip Code - you have tried about a dozen times now to get our attention. Please let the big boys talk.
This result and the Longford Derry game makes a mockery of the NFL. Apart from the Dubs and Mayo there's not a lot between mid division 1 and division 3.
What a twit like you who's only intention was to try and belittle and patronize Armagh in the run up, but now you have to wind your neck in and the best you can come up with is scummy behaviour from McKeever, I take it your weren't at the match as there was plenty of scummy behaviour from the Tyrone players. Tell you what log on as someone else and try to be funny, other than that dry your eyes son, Armagh beat Tyrone off the park and it was a pleasure to watch. ;D ;D
Quote from: illdecide on July 14, 2014, 11:21:08 AM
ONeill I'd agree with that... We have a decent defence, our mid field is okay but very young and in experienced but can hold their own, our attack has Clarke and Campbell can chip in with scores too but he gets played on the 40 too much and I feel he's better closer to goal. Another class forward or two would definitely be the answer to our problems...
Although it didn't look like it yesterday but if you had McCurry alongside Clarke and played to his strengths you'd have a good attack. Many of that minor side playing from a few years ago?
Quote from: general_lee on June 30, 2014, 05:52:29 PM
It's win-win for Armagh.
Beat Monaghan and we're in an Ulster final.
Lose and we get to watch Ciaran McKeever bully Sean Cavanagh
;D ;D
Quote from: Zip Code on July 14, 2014, 11:43:54 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 14, 2014, 11:15:12 AM
Zip Code - you have tried about a dozen times now to get our attention. Please let the big boys talk.
This result and the Longford Derry game makes a mockery of the NFL. Apart from the Dubs and Mayo there's not a lot between mid division 1 and division 3.
What a twit like you who's only intention was to try and belittle and patronize Armagh in the run up, but now you have to wind your neck in and the best you can come up with is scummy behaviour from McKeever, I take it your weren't at the match as there was plenty of scummy behaviour from the Tyrone players. Tell you what log on as someone else and try to be funny, other than that dry your eyes son, Armagh beat Tyrone off the park and it was a pleasure to watch. ;D ;D
A 1 score 'beating' off the park. Seriously, get the bunting out and an open top bus organised.
Maybe a little perspective would be in order - that's the first time in almost a decade Armagh have beaten Tyrone, yet you are celebrating like its the second coming.
It was a qualifier for goodness sake. That means neither team were good enough to throw a shape at Ulster.
Having said that Armagh look a good deal better than they have for years, many would say it is due to Geezer but I imagine Grimley was never as bad as people made out he was and perhaps the double act will push them on even further.
Armagh folk should get behind them now and enjoy the ride. Roscommon away will be difficult but not insurmountable.
As Tony says Armagh are prob the 3rd best team in Ulster at the moment.
I'm sure at this point you will be ready to flick through your comedic repetoire and serve up another dry your eyes / kleenex type reply to keep us all amused - but perhaps you could actually engage in, y'know, football discussion.........?
Quote from: ONeill on July 14, 2014, 11:15:12 AM
Zip Code - you have tried about a dozen times now to get our attention. Please let the big boys talk.
This result and the Longford Derry game makes a mockery of the NFL. Apart from the Dubs and Mayo there's not a lot between mid division 1 and division 3.
++1++++111
An absolute bellend. Just berates people the whole time. Not one have sensible comment in his 170 odd comments. f**k away off to Hogand Stand
I see Tony Fearon got a mention in todays 'Tyrone Tribulations'
You've made it now Tony ;D
Quote from: EC Unique on June 30, 2014, 08:28:59 PM
Quote from: Armamike on June 30, 2014, 06:33:28 PM
Tyrone posters here are rightly confident to be possibly playing Armagh more so than Monaghan. The drubbing in January and the defeats the past few years will have Armagh mentally fragile, plus Tyrone are just playing at a higher level than Armagh. It's a good tie for Tyrone.
I agree. Fully expect Monaghan to win replay. Then I expect Tyrone to give Armagh a bit of a lesson.
What sort of lesson ?
Quote from: yellowcard on July 14, 2014, 10:38:44 AM
Claiming an elbow on poor Sean Cavanagh on the side of the face and then calling for a suspension for Mckeever. And to think of all the poor children watching this big bad man! Handbags if ever I seen handbags, at least the referee showed a common sense approach. Lets face it, Tyrone were comprehensively beaten by a better side in their own back yard but calling for Armagh suspensions is just sour grapes.
As I typed this last night I thought this will probably sound like sour grapes but feck it McKeever definitely did it and I bet a lot didn't see it. So why should we let him away with it just cos we lost.
Did you see the incident Yellowcard? Are you saying he didn't go in with his elbow raised towards Sean's head? Are you saying that he did but it shouldn't be highlighted?
Nowhere have I said that Tyrone were not well beaten. I actually said we should have been beaten by FAR more. So NO SOUR grapes here. I'm actually happy the seasons is over before we got totally embarrassed by one of the big guns in Croker.
If you read my posts over the last 2 weeks you would see I was constantly talking down Tyrone and worried about Mickey's team selections all year.
I am well justified though to highlight the disgraceful assault by McKeever on Cavanagh and wonder how the CCCC can pick up some things and give suspensions yet totally ignore others.
You seem to take the attitude that so what if he did it. Tyrone well deserve it so shut TF up.
In fairness Tyroneman it's been 9 years since they've beaten us and I think they genuinely didn't believe how bad we could be so I can totally understand the over exuberant celebrations.
They've had to sit back and watch us won three AI's whilst they drifted away into the darkness.
There has been a lot of Anti Tyrone feeling around Ulster for some time now which I think is only naturally so a few years ago we give Kerry what they wanted. This year we've added Monaghan and Armagh to that list with Donegal also having taken our scalp a lot lately.
I think I'll start watching Breaking Bad again. ;D
The CCCC seem to be selective in what they do and I would doubt Fuzzman that you have enough influence there. Have not seen highlights yet so will not comment on incident. I do know, however, that when Mallon, for example, got banned following the Cavan incident that Armagh had video evidence of him getting punched a number of times before he retaliated. He got ban and the Cavan player did not. McKeever getting a ban now wouldn't go down too well with Armagh.
Quote from: cadhlancian on July 14, 2014, 03:55:05 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 14, 2014, 11:15:12 AM
Zip Code - you have tried about a dozen times now to get our attention. Please let the big boys talk.
This result and the Longford Derry game makes a mockery of the NFL. Apart from the Dubs and Mayo there's not a lot between mid division 1 and division 3.
++1++++111
An absolute bellend. Just berates people the whole time. Not one have sensible comment in his 170 odd comments. f**k away off to Hogand Stand
Ahh bless, are you one of Shane's pupils. :-* You must be enjoying the holidays reading all my posts.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 14, 2014, 04:24:50 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 14, 2014, 10:38:44 AM
Claiming an elbow on poor Sean Cavanagh on the side of the face and then calling for a suspension for Mckeever. And to think of all the poor children watching this big bad man! Handbags if ever I seen handbags, at least the referee showed a common sense approach. Lets face it, Tyrone were comprehensively beaten by a better side in their own back yard but calling for Armagh suspensions is just sour grapes.
As I typed this last night I thought this will probably sound like sour grapes but feck it McKeever definitely did it and I bet a lot didn't see it. So why should we let him away with it just cos we lost.
Did you see the incident Yellowcard? Are you saying he didn't go in with his elbow raised towards Sean's head? Are you saying that he did but it shouldn't be highlighted?
Nowhere have I said that Tyrone were not well beaten. I actually said we should have been beaten by FAR more. So NO SOUR grapes here. I'm actually happy the seasons is over before we got totally embarrassed by one of the big guns in Croker.
If you read my posts over the last 2 weeks you would see I was constantly talking down Tyrone and worried about Mickey's team selections all year.
I am well justified though to highlight the disgraceful assault by McKeever on Cavanagh and wonder how the CCCC can pick up some things and give suspensions yet totally ignore others.
You seem to take the attitude that so what if he did it. Tyrone well deserve it so shut TF up.
In fairness Tyroneman it's been 9 years since they've beaten us and I think they genuinely didn't believe how bad we could be so I can totally understand the over exuberant celebrations.
They've had to sit back and watch us won three AI's whilst they drifted away into the darkness.
There has been a lot of Anti Tyrone feeling around Ulster for some time now which I think is only naturally so a few years ago we give Kerry what they wanted. This year we've added Monaghan and Armagh to that list with Donegal also having taken our scalp a lot lately.
I think I'll start watching Breaking Bad again. ;D
Yip, just get over it ffs. ::)
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 14, 2014, 04:24:50 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 14, 2014, 10:38:44 AM
Claiming an elbow on poor Sean Cavanagh on the side of the face and then calling for a suspension for Mckeever. And to think of all the poor children watching this big bad man! Handbags if ever I seen handbags, at least the referee showed a common sense approach. Lets face it, Tyrone were comprehensively beaten by a better side in their own back yard but calling for Armagh suspensions is just sour grapes.
As I typed this last night I thought this will probably sound like sour grapes but feck it McKeever definitely did it and I bet a lot didn't see it. So why should we let him away with it just cos we lost.
Did you see the incident Yellowcard? Are you saying he didn't go in with his elbow raised towards Sean's head? Are you saying that he did but it shouldn't be highlighted?
Nowhere have I said that Tyrone were not well beaten. I actually said we should have been beaten by FAR more. So NO SOUR grapes here. I'm actually happy the seasons is over before we got totally embarrassed by one of the big guns in Croker.
If you read my posts over the last 2 weeks you would see I was constantly talking down Tyrone and worried about Mickey's team selections all year.
I am well justified though to highlight the disgraceful assault by McKeever on Cavanagh and wonder how the CCCC can pick up some things and give suspensions yet totally ignore others.
You seem to take the attitude that so what if he did it. Tyrone well deserve it so shut TF up.
In fairness Tyroneman it's been 9 years since they've beaten us and I think they genuinely didn't believe how bad we could be so I can totally understand the over exuberant celebrations.
They've had to sit back and watch us won three AI's whilst they drifted away into the darkness.
There has been a lot of Anti Tyrone feeling around Ulster for some time now which I think is only naturally so a few years ago we give Kerry what they wanted. This year we've added Monaghan and Armagh to that list with Donegal also having taken our scalp a lot lately.
I think I'll start watching Breaking Bad again. ;D
If McKeever elbowed Cavanagh in the face in a 'disgraceful assault' as you claim then I think Cavanagh would have went down like a sack of spuds as he normally would at the faintest of touches. I did see the incident and as I said I thought the referee dealt with a handbags affair sensibly. You probably should have contacted the joe Duffy show today where you would have had the perfect forum to vent your feigned anger at such a disgraceful attack.
As for the over exuberant celebrations, I don't think that is the case at all but I was surprised just how poor Tyrone were. A team that were a kick in the ball from getting to last years AI final have regressed dramatically this year and I've never seen a Tyrone team surrender as meekly as yesterdays team.
So as you did see the incident did you think he went in to hit him with a raised elbow?
You can clearly see Sean's head moving away as if he was struck but he couldn't fall as he then holds onto his neck like he did back in 2005.
I have nothing to get over as I am not looking for scape goats but I just want some of you to not just sweep this under the carpet as if it didn't happen JUST COS you won.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 14, 2014, 05:59:05 PM
So as you did see the incident did you think he went in to hit him with a raised elbow?
You can clearly see Sean's head moving away as if he was struck but he couldn't fall as he then holds onto his neck like he did back in 2005.
I have nothing to get over as I am not looking for scape goats but I just want some of you to not just sweep this under the carpet as if it didn't happen JUST COS you won.
No.
The Tyronies aren't taking this too well :o
Quote from: mb80b60 on July 14, 2014, 08:22:32 PM
The Tyronies aren't taking this too well :o
Not at all we knew we were in trouble this year. I'm very angry about the targeting of Mattie donnelly who got booked for defending himself and subsequently the dive and subsequent exaggeration to get him sent off. I'd have no complaints but for the diving really.
Tyrone like Cavan in the Athletic grounds started a row early on and it seemed counter productive and only galvanised Armagh - you'd have thought that Tyrone would have learnt their lesson from the incident involving the Enniskillen band.
The band it seems were afraid to come to Omagh yesterday after threats from Armagh supporters waiting in them at the Silver Birch.
Armagh were the better team yesterday and deserved their victory. Hope they do well in this years competition.
McKeever charged in with the elbow to catch Cavanagh at the scuffles the start.
Usually these scuffles are punch free and players indulge in a strength test against the opposition with no real intention of hurting their opponent.
McKeever however attempted to seriously injure cavanagh and deserved a red card for his failed attempt.
Post elbow neck grip by McKeever:
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF271/886246.jpg)
Quote from: ONeill on July 14, 2014, 11:29:48 PM
Post elbow neck grip by McKeever:
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF271/886246.jpg)
Makes you wonder why Mattie Donnelly ( pictured onlooking ) and Aidan Forker were both booked for.
It started with them I think.
Because the ref thought I'm going to show I'm the man here.
Armagh's first point was from a ball moved forward for verbals but the ref made a ballet performance out of it.
I felt sorry for Morgan too. O'Neill won a free after coming on and Morgan did nothing wrong - Stevie dragged him on top of him. It nearly got Morgan sent off. The ref was cat.
Quote from: ONeill on July 14, 2014, 11:29:48 PM
Post elbow neck grip by McKeever:
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF271/886246.jpg)
SO many arms....
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 14, 2014, 08:02:09 AM
Just curious.
With no stand out successor how many Tyrone fans think Mickey should stay on?
He has one final year on his contract so i'd be happy enough for him to see it out. He deserves that for what he has done. He should however look to get a new trainer in for what will probably be his last year as I think a new voice and different training methods are needed. What is apparent is how better conditioned other teams are. It was obvious 3 years ago when Donegal threw us around like rag dolls and things haven't got any better. Too many of the new players look like featherweight boxers rather than Gaelic footballers. Mattie Donnelly is the only one who looks to have done any work in the gym.
However, with a full deck, an injury free season, a tweak to the tactics and a bit of luck, we might not be that far away next year. Remember, we were missing Clarke, Harte, Joe, Mattie for a half which is most of our 1st choice defence. Quicker ball into that forward line and you would see a big difference.
I'm sure I'll get crucified for these but don't shoot the messenger. I'm not the one with the raised elbow.
Of course this is not why we lost the match but as the lads said tonight in Newstalk, was it a coincidence that Armagh took out Cavan's best player before the game and then targeted Tyrone's best player right at the start. Not my words lads I'm just "retweeting". Geezer must love being back in Ulster football. ;D
(http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp6/fuzzman1/McKeever1.jpg)
(http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp6/fuzzman1/McKeever2.jpg)
(http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp6/fuzzman1/McKeever3.jpg)
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Okey Dokey. We'll leave it there so.
For clarification it has been proved Armagh did not take out Cavan's best player - he hurt himself in an assault on Jamie Clarke. I think Sean Cavanagh finished the game on Sunday as well.
I thought that too. Newstalk boys must not have saw that.
To give McKeever some credit, he enjoyed it.
What's that design on the black card?
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF272/886658.jpg)
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2014, 12:40:55 AM
I thought that too. Newstalk boys must not have saw that.
Sure you never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Especially if the accused are not going to try and defend themselves.
Maybe he was about to pick his nose as he charged at Sean.
I've highlighted it now and that's all I wanted to do.
Yis can judge for yourselves but I wonder does yellowcard still think "No, it was only handbags".
Fair play to Armagh, hope they go far into the summer.
Ciaran McKeever, Armagh's latest version of a "hard man" with a dirty judas act there on Cavanagh. Hitting a man from behind is the lowest of the low and is neither brave or hard. Armagh set their stall out and I admire them for doing so. But the slating Cavanagh gets for buying frees compared to what McKeever did on Sunday is IMO plain and simple wrong.
That's a yella hit.
PSNI have commended Ciaran Mc Keever for his good behaviour! They commented on the fact that no Tyrone player was divested of his shirt or was gone in 60 seconds!
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on July 15, 2014, 01:11:03 AM
Fair play to Armagh, hope they go far into the summer.
Ciaran McKeever, Armagh's latest version of a "hard man" with a dirty judas act there on Cavanagh. Hitting a man from behind is the lowest of the low and is neither brave or hard. Armagh set their stall out and I admire them for doing so. But the slating Cavanagh gets for buying frees compared to what McKeever did on Sunday is IMO plain and simple wrong.
Spot on
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2014, 01:02:33 AM
Maybe he was about to pick his nose as he charged at Sean.
I've highlighted it now and that's all I wanted to do.
Yis can judge for yourselves but I wonder does yellowcard still think "No, it was only handbags".
Would it not be more appropriate for you to concentrate on Tyrone's poor performance and the downward spiral that your county appears to be on rather than focussing on feigning outrage at a bout of handbags. Or alternatively just simply send your cv onto the CCCCCCCCC since you seem to have done plenty of research on this incident. I watched the game live and again on the Sunday Game and I never seen what you claim to have seen but I haven't heard either Harte or Cavanagh (in post match interviews) or any commentators/journalists make reference to a phantom elbow in the face that you claim to have seen. And they have plenty of reason to criticise with the media ban that currently exists in Armagh. Just get over the defeat.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2014, 12:34:43 AM
I'm sure I'll get crucified for these but don't shoot the messenger. I'm not the one with the raised elbow.
Of course this is not why we lost the match but as the lads said tonight in Newstalk, was it a coincidence that Armagh took out Cavan's best player before the game and then targeted Tyrone's best player right at the start. Not my words lads I'm just "retweeting". Geezer must love being back in Ulster football. ;D
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Back, and to the left..... back, and to the left.
Cregg better get the boxing gloves on for Saturday.
Quote from: under the bar on June 30, 2014, 10:51:50 AM
Armagh will no doubt hope to close the 24 point gap from their last day out against Tyrone.
Glad we were able to achieve that.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 15, 2014, 09:12:59 AM
Would it not be more appropriate for you to concentrate on Tyrone's poor performance and the downward spiral that your county appears to be on rather than focussing on feigning outrage at a bout of handbags.
No
Quote from: yellowcard on July 15, 2014, 09:12:59 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2014, 01:02:33 AM
Maybe he was about to pick his nose as he charged at Sean.
I've highlighted it now and that's all I wanted to do.
Yis can judge for yourselves but I wonder does yellowcard still think "No, it was only handbags".
Would it not be more appropriate for you to concentrate on Tyrone's poor performance and the downward spiral that your county appears to be on rather than focussing on feigning outrage at a bout of handbags. Or alternatively just simply send your cv onto the CCCCCCCCC since you seem to have done plenty of research on this incident. I watched the game live and again on the Sunday Game and I never seen what you claim to have seen but I haven't heard either Harte or Cavanagh (in post match interviews) or any commentators/journalists make reference to a phantom elbow in the face that you claim to have seen. And they have plenty of reason to criticise with the media ban that currently exists in Armagh. Just get over the defeat.
Well if it wasn't mentioned on the Sunday Game then it mustn't have happened. Are you suggesting that those pictures are photoshopped then? I'd doubt very much if Fuzz is blaming that incident for the Tyrone loss but it is most definitely a discussion point for a discussion board.
Much has been made of the impact Mc Geeney has had on the team this year ( rightly or wrongly ). But what is clear is that Amragh have went for a very well organised defence which looks like Mc Geeney's fingerprints. Armagh have also in the championship went for an extremely physical, almost aggressive approach and it definitely has been a success. The fleg incident and Sunday's wrestling match just after throw in was a throw back to the good old days. You can't get a black card for that.
No, definitely not black Orangeman.
What was Mattie actually booked for and why him? The cameras were too slow to pick up him and his man. Did any of ye see it real time?
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 15, 2014, 10:52:16 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 15, 2014, 09:12:59 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2014, 01:02:33 AM
Maybe he was about to pick his nose as he charged at Sean.
I've highlighted it now and that's all I wanted to do.
Yis can judge for yourselves but I wonder does yellowcard still think "No, it was only handbags".
Would it not be more appropriate for you to concentrate on Tyrone's poor performance and the downward spiral that your county appears to be on rather than focussing on feigning outrage at a bout of handbags. Or alternatively just simply send your cv onto the CCCCCCCCC since you seem to have done plenty of research on this incident. I watched the game live and again on the Sunday Game and I never seen what you claim to have seen but I haven't heard either Harte or Cavanagh (in post match interviews) or any commentators/journalists make reference to a phantom elbow in the face that you claim to have seen. And they have plenty of reason to criticise with the media ban that currently exists in Armagh. Just get over the defeat.
Well if it wasn't mentioned on the Sunday Game then it mustn't have happened. Are you suggesting that those pictures are photoshopped then? I'd doubt very much if Fuzz is blaming that incident for the Tyrone loss but it is most definitely a discussion point for a discussion board.
They are what you say they are.....pictures and still frame photographs that prove absolutely nothing. Watch the video and you will see that there was minimal force and also put it into context. There were about a dozen other players pushing and shoving whilst this was going on. I do understand where you are going with all this though and it involves trying to create a story in order to bring the incident into the public domain to instigate an investigation. Maybe if Fuzzman gets the job on the CCC he will haul big bad McKeever up and dish out the ban he so clearly wants to see. After Jordan got Marsden sent off wrongly in 2003 there were few cries of injustice from Tyrone then.
Quote from: orangeman on July 15, 2014, 10:56:24 AM
Much has been made of the impact Mc Geeney has had on the team this year ( rightly or wrongly ). But what is clear is that Amragh have went for a very well organised defence which looks like Mc Geeney's fingerprints. Armagh have also in the championship went for an extremely physical, almost aggressive approach and it definitely has been a success. The fleg incident and Sunday's wrestling match just after throw in was a throw back to the good old days. You can't get a black card for that.
I think its fairly obvious that the change of style and gameplan is primarily down to McGeeney. The media ban is also mostly down to McGeeney and his effort to try and gain a psychological edge and create a siege mentality among the squad. Up until the spring of this year Grimley was giving interviews on a twice weekly basis, quite often when there was no need to. The defensive gameplan is also McGeeneys preferred style of play and there is no doubt that he has been responsible for this complete U turn from last year. Also being the agressors on the pitch, not giving an inch and never backing down was the way that McGeeney played the game himself and he seems to have tried to implement this mindset into the current squad. None of this sits well with the autorities but if it gets results nobody will care. For the last 4 or 5 years Armagh had become a soft touch and were too easy to play against. At least this championship we seem to have reversed this trend.
So just for the record Yellow you still maintain there was no intent, contact or harm done?
To give McKeever credit he went out to rattle Tyrone from the start. At the toss-up he refused to look at Sean and wouldn't shake hands. Sean just put his thumb up.
Then he ran towards the handbagging, zoned in on Sean, cracked him on the head with his elbow and then refused to let go of his throat.
When O'Neill was causing bother at the start of the second, he went over to him and gave him a minute of the verbals.
He then had a wee dig at Conor Gormley. So there's our three stalwarts and Ciaran made sure they knew he was there.
He set the tone for the way Armagh were to win the game and executed it perfectly. He won, despite the black card.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 15, 2014, 11:42:33 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 15, 2014, 10:52:16 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 15, 2014, 09:12:59 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2014, 01:02:33 AM
Maybe he was about to pick his nose as he charged at Sean.
I've highlighted it now and that's all I wanted to do.
Yis can judge for yourselves but I wonder does yellowcard still think "No, it was only handbags".
Would it not be more appropriate for you to concentrate on Tyrone's poor performance and the downward spiral that your county appears to be on rather than focussing on feigning outrage at a bout of handbags. Or alternatively just simply send your cv onto the CCCCCCCCC since you seem to have done plenty of research on this incident. I watched the game live and again on the Sunday Game and I never seen what you claim to have seen but I haven't heard either Harte or Cavanagh (in post match interviews) or any commentators/journalists make reference to a phantom elbow in the face that you claim to have seen. And they have plenty of reason to criticise with the media ban that currently exists in Armagh. Just get over the defeat.
Well if it wasn't mentioned on the Sunday Game then it mustn't have happened. Are you suggesting that those pictures are photoshopped then? I'd doubt very much if Fuzz is blaming that incident for the Tyrone loss but it is most definitely a discussion point for a discussion board.
They are what you say they are.....pictures and still frame photographs that prove absolutely nothing. Watch the video and you will see that there was minimal force and also put it into context. There were about a dozen other players pushing and shoving whilst this was going on. I do understand where you are going with all this though and it involves trying to create a story in order to bring the incident into the public domain to instigate an investigation. Maybe if Fuzzman gets the job on the CCC he will haul big bad McKeever up and dish out the ban he so clearly wants to see. After Jordan got Marsden sent off wrongly in 2003 there were few cries of injustice from Tyrone then.
I'd love it if the CCC used my posts on here as a basis for their investigations, but sadly I'm not 100% sure that is the case. As long as we're clear on your position, an elbow to the face is ok, as long as there is minimal force and as long as loads of other people are pushing and shoving each other? Got it!
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2014, 11:54:15 AM
So just for the record Yellow you still maintain there was no intent, contact or harm done?
Harm done? Definitely not, Cavanagh never flinched nor suffered any injury. I've seen worse in a school playground. As for the intent and contact bits, well there are different levels of intent and contact. I'm sure he intended to make contact with Cavanagh just as other players wished to engage in throat grabbing, pushing and wrestling in the same incident. Its all part of the bravado and psychological warfare that players like to engage in particularly early on in matches. Anyway this incident has received far too much talk already than it actually warrants so I'm not going to give it any more discussion. You might be better off discussing what lies ahead for the future of Tyrone football and its manager after a poor season.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2014, 11:14:49 AM
No, definitely not black Orangeman.
What was Mattie actually booked for and why him? The cameras were too slow to pick up him and his man. Did any of ye see it real time?
At the throw up him and aidan forker ran in to try and get the breaking ball. Both had their hands on each other and both fell to ground and engaged in harmless wrestling. 2 yellows the fair result.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 15, 2014, 09:30:21 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2014, 12:34:43 AM
I'm sure I'll get crucified for these but don't shoot the messenger. I'm not the one with the raised elbow.
Of course this is not why we lost the match but as the lads said tonight in Newstalk, was it a coincidence that Armagh took out Cavan's best player before the game and then targeted Tyrone's best player right at the start. Not my words lads I'm just "retweeting". Geezer must love being back in Ulster football. ;D
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Back, and to the left..... back, and to the left.
From those photos it looks like a deliberate and cowardly hit. But I would have to see it in real time to be certain.
It seems if you don't hit someone too hard it's alright. ::)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNAMHVJa-4k&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNAMHVJa-4k&feature=youtu.be)
You need to be fast on the pause button lads.
I can see why the RTE experts missed it.
Is there any rule about holding a man's throat?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2014, 02:23:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNAMHVJa-4k&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNAMHVJa-4k&feature=youtu.be)
You need to be fast on the pause button lads.
I can see why the RTE experts missed it.
Is there any rule about holding a man's throat?
If there was Conor Gormley would rarely last a match
Orchard heros wept after sinking Red Hands
Coach Peter McDonnell says Armagh's players were crying in the dressing room at Omagh after Sunday's victory over Tyrone.
The Orchard County upset the odds to dump their neighbours out of the championship with a brilliant Qualifier Round Two performance at Healy Park and McDonnell admits emotions were running high afterwards:
"There's been a lot of criticism levelled against them and they haven't stopped," he told Linwoods Armagh TV.
"When you walk into a dressing room after an event like this and see lads on their hands and knees crying because of how much it meant to them, there's something to be truly proud of.
"People should appreciate how lucky they are that regardless of where we are in the history of Armagh football that there's young lads there prepared to put life and limb on the line for their county. And the least they can expect is to be embraced and supported by their own."
Ciaran McKeever slapped a few of the crying players.
http://hoganstand.com/Armagh/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=220530
Is that true Shane?
Surely no grown man playing GAA would get that emotional about beating Tyrone.
Especially as they're a completely new bunch of young lads.
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Quote from: yellowcard on July 15, 2014, 12:18:56 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2014, 11:54:15 AM
So just for the record Yellow you still maintain there was no intent, contact or harm done?
Harm done? Definitely not, Cavanagh never flinched nor suffered any injury. I've seen worse in a school playground. As for the intent and contact bits, well there are different levels of intent and contact. I'm sure he intended to make contact with Cavanagh just as other players wished to engage in throat grabbing, pushing and wrestling in the same incident. Its all part of the bravado and psychological warfare that players like to engage in particularly early on in matches. Anyway this incident has received far too much talk already than it actually warrants so I'm not going to give it any more discussion. You might be better off discussing what lies ahead for the future of Tyrone football and its manager after a poor season.
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Howzat?
Blatant red card for McKeever. Or is there anyone who is going to condone elbows to the face?
Manys a broken jaw resulted from cowardly actions such as this. Would sicken yer hole.
Quote from: tiempo on July 15, 2014, 03:54:34 PM
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Howzat?
Blatant red card for McKeever. Or is there anyone who is going to condone elbows to the face?
Manys a broken jaw resulted from cowardly actions such as this. Would sicken yer hole.
thats not his elbow its his forearm
Give over ye shower of crying yaps. Your crew have been the masters of the nasty dark arts for the last decade and more, when ye get a wee bit of it back you need to suck it up!!! Cavanagh's reputation goes against him so when he does get a bit of a belt it is hard to believe if it is real...boy who cried wolf syndrome! Bate fair and square, have a bit of decorum and take it on the chin!!!
Quote from: God14 on July 14, 2014, 04:03:12 PM
I see Tony Fearon got a mention in todays 'Tyrone Tribulations'
You've made it now Tony ;D
http://tyronetribulations.com/2014/07/14/most-tyrone-people-still-in-bed-after-armagh-defeat/
Dr Tony Fearon!!!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 15, 2014, 04:19:17 PM
Give over ye shower of crying yaps. Your crew have been the masters of the nasty dark arts for the last decade and more, when ye get a wee bit of it back you need to suck it up!!! Cavanagh's reputation goes against him so when he does get a bit of a belt it is hard to believe if it is real...boy who cried wolf syndrome! Bate fair and square, have a bit of decorum and take it on the chin!!!
Aye says the boy casual with the oul elbows himself.
Quote from: ONeill on July 15, 2014, 04:34:55 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 15, 2014, 04:19:17 PM
Give over ye shower of crying yaps. Your crew have been the masters of the nasty dark arts for the last decade and more, when ye get a wee bit of it back you need to suck it up!!! Cavanagh's reputation goes against him so when he does get a bit of a belt it is hard to believe if it is real...boy who cried wolf syndrome! Bate fair and square, have a bit of decorum and take it on the chin!!!
Aye says the boy casual with the oul elbows himself.
And what? That was 10 years ago Shane, I quit that a long time ago!!! And for what it's worth I received my own fair share back!!! I didn't bitch and moan like and old granny because I got a slap in the mouth, I got on with it and played the game, part and parcel!
If Tyrone Tribulation had to involve me they might have included me in a mildly funny sketch
Fuzzman any chance you could contact TG4 and get a few freeze-frames of Conor Gormley's stamp on a Cork player lying on the ground during the league game this year?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 15, 2014, 04:38:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 15, 2014, 04:34:55 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 15, 2014, 04:19:17 PM
Give over ye shower of crying yaps. Your crew have been the masters of the nasty dark arts for the last decade and more, when ye get a wee bit of it back you need to suck it up!!! Cavanagh's reputation goes against him so when he does get a bit of a belt it is hard to believe if it is real...boy who cried wolf syndrome! Bate fair and square, have a bit of decorum and take it on the chin!!!
Aye says the boy casual with the oul elbows himself.
And what? That was 10 years ago Shane, I quit that a long time ago!!! And for what it's worth I received my own fair share back!!! I didn't bitch and moan like and old granny because I got a slap in the mouth, I got on with it and played the game, part and parcel!
The only slaps you got were from Francie in training.
Quote from: ONeill on July 15, 2014, 04:45:23 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 15, 2014, 04:38:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 15, 2014, 04:34:55 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 15, 2014, 04:19:17 PM
Give over ye shower of crying yaps. Your crew have been the masters of the nasty dark arts for the last decade and more, when ye get a wee bit of it back you need to suck it up!!! Cavanagh's reputation goes against him so when he does get a bit of a belt it is hard to believe if it is real...boy who cried wolf syndrome! Bate fair and square, have a bit of decorum and take it on the chin!!!
Aye says the boy casual with the oul elbows himself.
And what? That was 10 years ago Shane, I quit that a long time ago!!! And for what it's worth I received my own fair share back!!! I didn't bitch and moan like and old granny because I got a slap in the mouth, I got on with it and played the game, part and parcel!
The only slaps you got were from Francie in training.
The only ones that hurt anyway :P
Cavanagh got what he deserved, he stuck his nose in the aftermath of the Cavan parade coming accross all high and mighty, this is a mans game, and when you bitch like he did he put his head on a bullseye.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 15, 2014, 04:19:17 PM
Give over ye shower of crying yaps. Your crew have been the masters of the nasty dark arts for the last decade and more, when ye get a wee bit of it back you need to suck it up!!! Cavanagh's reputation goes against him so when he does get a bit of a belt it is hard to believe if it is real...boy who cried wolf syndrome! Bate fair and square, have a bit of decorum and take it on the chin!!!
I like it.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 15, 2014, 04:19:17 PM
Give over ye shower of crying yaps. Your crew have been the masters of the nasty dark arts for the last decade and more, when ye get a wee bit of it back you need to suck it up!!! Cavanagh's reputation goes against him so when he does get a bit of a belt it is hard to believe if it is real...boy who cried wolf syndrome! Bate fair and square, have a bit of decorum and take it on the chin!!!
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on July 15, 2014, 05:29:47 PM
Cavanagh got what he deserved, he stuck his nose in the aftermath of the Cavan parade coming accross all high and mighty, this is a mans game, and when you bitch like he did he put his head on a bullseye.
There is more sense spoken in those 2 posts than in the previous couple of pages of complaining about a bit of a skirmish. You lost the game, get over it. The same thing happened after the Cavan flag episode when there were more protests from the likes of Logan and plenty of Tyrone posters on here than there were from anyone else. Take your beating and get over it.
I don't think anyone is doubting the credibility of Armagh's victory. Whether McKeever acted the gypsey or not did not affect the final result. Tyrone were beat and deservedly so. Fuzzman is merely highlighting that McKeever carried out a Judas act. That isn't really up for debate.
And does the argument that Tyrone players ofyesteryear did many a Judas act negate the scuminess of McKeevers action? Call a spade a spade and less of the whataboutery.
McKeever may as well have broke Cavanagh's jaw. Blindsided, unprepared, untensed. Not very brave Ciaran, not very brave whatsoever.
Why?
Is that your justification for what McKeever did?
Some excellent arguments being put forward by the Oranje
He did what he did, get the f**k over it. It is against the rules of the game and he got away with it like many players get away with things in every game. You said it yourselves lads, it was neither the winning nor losing of the game. Look closer to home and sort your own house out before telling us what we should think about ours.
I love Ciaran McKeever.
Looks like the Ourma ones are rattled.
Quote from: hardstation on July 15, 2014, 06:45:31 PM
Quote from: general_lee on July 15, 2014, 06:42:03 PM
I love Ciaran McKeever.
I prefer Nuala McKeever.
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Ach I am not so sure, maybe a few years ago!!!
Quote from: general_lee on July 15, 2014, 06:42:03 PM
I love Ciaran McKeever.
If Ciaran McKeever played for my club i'd love him too in fairness. A hard on the edge footballer. But no defending the indefensible-was a dirty action.
And BC-you said get over it? The apple munching community has been yapping about an incident for 11 years, this conversation will last for 3/4 days maximum. Take some of your own medicine.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on July 15, 2014, 06:50:24 PM
Quote from: general_lee on July 15, 2014, 06:42:03 PM
I love Ciaran McKeever.
If Ciaran McKeever played for my club i'd love him too in fairness. A hard on the edge footballer. But no defending the indefensible-was a dirty action.
And BC-you said get over it? The apple munching community has been yapping about an incident for 11 years, this conversation will last for 3/4 days maximum. Take some of your own medicine.
Can i emphasise that Armagh were the better team and I am happy to weigh in behind them for the remainder of the championship. I hope they go further than any other Ulster team and reach an AI final where my support will cease. At that stage let their fate be in God's hands. (Not Canavan this time, so they may stand a chance)
Funny I'd love to see Armagh do well now. Never thought I'd say that. There's something plucky about them and the McGeeney story is romantic.
But McKeever is a liability if he takes the physicality too far. Ricey etc were cuter.
Up Armagh. Up fookin Armagh.
Well done Armagh, had a game plan and executed it , plus they wanted it more.. Tyrone were very poor on the day.. But McKeever is a scum bag gypsy and that is being kind.. Runs about giving dirty hits to boys who won't hit back... Tried to be the big man with gormley, when gormley turned to face him he ran away like the child he is... I hope Armagh do well in qualifiers but I think their forward line may let them down against the better teams..
So are we all agreed then? on the principle of
Quote"Bate fair and square, have a bit of decorum and take it on the chin!!!"
and
QuoteHe did what he did, get the f**k over it. It is against the rules of the game and he got away with it like many players get away with things in every game.
We Tyrone folk will stop yapping about McKeever and his Judas elbow / forearm and you Armagh folks will fcuk up about Jordan 11 years on?
Sorted?
Great!
He didn't fckin elbow him! He fore-armed him ;D
Quote from: tyroneman on July 15, 2014, 09:11:01 PM
So are we all agreed then? on the principle of
Quote"Bate fair and square, have a bit of decorum and take it on the chin!!!"
and
QuoteHe did what he did, get the f**k over it. It is against the rules of the game and he got away with it like many players get away with things in every game.
We Tyrone folk will stop yapping about McKeever and his Judas elbow / forearm and you Armagh folks will fcuk up about Jordan 11 years on?
Sorted?
Great!
That sounds like a plan.
Fuzzman is the tyrone equivalent of pat spillane. Just replace 'puke football' with 'dirty mckeever'. Stop embarrassing yourself lad
Quote from: general_lee on July 15, 2014, 09:45:46 PM
He didn't fckin elbow him! He fore-armed him ;D
And of course we all know fore-armed is fore-warned, so Cavanagh knew it was coming!
Quote from: seanaglis on July 15, 2014, 11:26:25 PM
Fuzzman is the tyrone equivalent of pat spillane. Just replace 'puke football' with 'dirty mckeever'. Stop embarrassing yourself lad
I'm embarrassing myself????
On Sunday night not many knew of this incident.
Those fools on TSG said that there was nothing in that schmozzle but handbags.
We can see from the photos and video that McKeever charged at Sean from behind, clearly raising his elbow and directing it at Sean's neck or lower head area.
It's hard to make out where the connection is but you can clearly see Sean's head move with the force of the collision. I think it was on his neck and it was his forearm that made contact.
He then grabs his neck whilst the ref stares in that direction.
Now, I think that's a fair summary of the incident and a few of ye Armagh lads have used words like forearm and admitted Conor Gormley has done similar throat holding.
I think what is really embarrassing is none of ye have admitted that it was a disgraceful act from behind but instead ye try to somehow justify it by saying crazy things like Sean deserved it. It's a man's game. Gormley and Ricey have done worse etc.
Like so many have said. We were terrible on Sun and should have lost by far more but what the hell has that got to do with me highlighting a scandalous attack from behind which the media seem to miss.
Brolly and Co.have been spouting off all year about stopping cynical play yet here is a highly cynical incident which has been brushed under the carpet.
If you any of ye think I should have just said nothing and not showed the pics please justify why.
Some of you asked for pics and then video evidence but not many have came back afterwards and said yes that deserves a suspension. He went to do him.
Yawn
Yeah Duffleking. You should have been in bed by nine.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 16, 2014, 12:07:49 AM
Quote from: seanaglis on July 15, 2014, 11:26:25 PM
Fuzzman is the tyrone equivalent of pat spillane. Just replace 'puke football' with 'dirty mckeever'. Stop embarrassing yourself lad
I'm embarrassing myself????
On Sunday night not many knew of this incident.
Those fools on TSG said that there was nothing in that schmozzle but handbags.
We can see from the photos and video that McKeever charged at Sean from behind, clearly raising his elbow and directing it at Sean's neck or lower head area.
It's hard to make out where the connection is but you can clearly see Sean's head move with the force of the collision. I think it was on his neck and it was his forearm that made contact.
He then grabs his neck whilst the ref stares in that direction.
Now, I think that's a fair summary of the incident and a few of ye Armagh lads have used words like forearm and admitted Conor Gormley has done similar throat holding.
I think what is really embarrassing is none of ye have admitted that it was a disgraceful act from behind but instead ye try to somehow justify it by saying crazy things like Sean deserved it. It's a man's game. Gormley and Ricey have done worse etc.
Like so many have said. We were terrible on Sun and should have lost by far more but what the hell has that got to do with me highlighting a scandalous attack from behind which the media seem to miss.
Brolly and Co.have been spouting off all year about stopping cynical play yet here is a highly cynical incident which has been brushed under the carpet.
If you any of ye think I should have just said nothing and not showed the pics please justify why.
Some of you asked for pics and then video evidence but not many have came back afterwards and said yes that deserves a suspension. He went to do him.
Get over it the only issue I have is that Tyrone are in serious need of a few lads like McKeever. Was much happier when Tyrones back line and midfield contained a few nasty lads and the whole country was giving out about the dark arts than the gutless shower we have at the moment. First time in over 30 years i have seen an Armagh side put the fear of god in Tyrone men and i hope to fcuk its the last time I ever have to wittness it. I dread the day Gormely retires.
A pleasing aspect on Sunday was the restraint shown by joyous Armagh fans at the end to their Tyrone counterparts, in contrast to the scenario at Croke Park in 05 when practically every Armagh fan had to endure taunts from one or more Tyrone supporters in their vicinity.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 16, 2014, 03:14:36 AM
A pleasing aspect on Sunday was the restraint shown by joyous Armagh fans at the end to their Tyrone counterparts, in contrast to the scenario at Croke Park in 05 when practically every Armagh fan had to endure taunts from one or more Tyrone supporters in their vicinity.
It wasn't just the fans, T. If you've read Oisin's book, you'll know what incident I'm talking about
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 16, 2014, 12:07:49 AM
Quote from: seanaglis on July 15, 2014, 11:26:25 PM
Fuzzman is the tyrone equivalent of pat spillane. Just replace 'puke football' with 'dirty mckeever'. Stop embarrassing yourself lad
I'm embarrassing myself????
On Sunday night not many knew of this incident.
Those fools on TSG said that there was nothing in that schmozzle but handbags.
We can see from the photos and video that McKeever charged at Sean from behind, clearly raising his elbow and directing it at Sean's neck or lower head area.
It's hard to make out where the connection is but you can clearly see Sean's head move with the force of the collision. I think it was on his neck and it was his forearm that made contact.
He then grabs his neck whilst the ref stares in that direction.
Now, I think that's a fair summary of the incident and a few of ye Armagh lads have used words like forearm and admitted Conor Gormley has done similar throat holding.
I think what is really embarrassing is none of ye have admitted that it was a disgraceful act from behind but instead ye try to somehow justify it by saying crazy things like Sean deserved it. It's a man's game. Gormley and Ricey have done worse etc.
Like so many have said. We were terrible on Sun and should have lost by far more but what the hell has that got to do with me highlighting a scandalous attack from behind which the media seem to miss.
Brolly and Co.have been spouting off all year about stopping cynical play yet here is a highly cynical incident which has been brushed under the carpet.
If you any of ye think I should have just said nothing and not showed the pics please justify why.
Some of you asked for pics and then video evidence but not many have came back afterwards and said yes that deserves a suspension. He went to do him.
I dont think anyone would condone McKeevers actions and its not something anyone wants to see on the pitch. He shouldnt have done what he did, but i dont think its as bad as you are making out. Lets face it, if someone wants to Judas someone with the elbow from behind that person is unlikely to be getting up for 5 mins.
Ah angel McKeever, it wouldn't be the first time he threw a cowardly dig when the other player wasn't looking. When he's face to face with them he either runs away or starts crying to big papa about getting racially abused.
Ti e to wrap this one up all said that needs to be said.
One final comment,
Did the Armagh captain leave his club for a more professional one in Dublin?
How many Armagh captains and players have now done that?
This would never be allowed to happen in Tyrone.
Good look against the Rossies...
Quote from: rrhf on July 16, 2014, 09:01:37 AM
Ti e to wrap this one up all said that needs to be said.
One final comment,
Did the Armagh captain leave his club for a more professional one in Dublin?
How many Armagh captains and players have now done that?
This would never be allowed to happen in Tyrone.
Good look against the Rossies...
Maybe the Dubs just dont want ye about the place.
I imagine that Fuzzman is coming from the position in which Tyrone found themselves this time last year when at half time in the Monaghan Tyrone quarter final, the CCCCCC suspended Penrose and Gornley for Dessie Mone hitting himself a slap in the mouth.
Fuzzman I would imagine is just trying to say that Tyrone were and are singled out for treatment by teams and by CCCC and RTE / Brolly are happy to highlight any Tyrone indiscretions but conveniently ignore Sunday's incident and pass it off as a bit of handbags even though FUzznan has shown that MC KEever's contribution was slightly more than that.
Would that be your thinking Fuzz ! Apologies if I have taken you up wrong.
Quote from: haveaharp on July 16, 2014, 09:08:40 AM
Quote from: rrhf on July 16, 2014, 09:01:37 AM
Ti e to wrap this one up all said that needs to be said.
One final question or two...
Did the Armagh captain leave his club for a more professional one in Dublin?
How many Armagh captains and players have now done that?
This would never be allowed to happen in Tyrone.
Good look against the Rossies...
Maybe the Dubs just dont want ye about the place.
I think its more than that.
With such a flow of Orchard men moving around the country at playing levels.... are these guys being offered carrots?
Quote from: Dont Matter on July 16, 2014, 08:53:42 AM
Ah angel McKeever, it wouldn't be the first time he threw a cowardly dig when the other player wasn't looking. When he's face to face with them he either runs away or starts crying to big papa about getting racially abused.
And you would day that to his face, the bitterness from Tyrone here is amazing, for a team to have had so much success to have such resentment and hatred for their better neighbours this year is laughable, as I said before get over it ffs. You should take solace that you are the 4th or 5th best team in Ulster this year.
Quote from: ONeill on July 15, 2014, 11:55:47 AM
To give McKeever credit he went out to rattle Tyrone from the start. At the toss-up he refused to look at Sean and wouldn't shake hands. Sean just put his thumb up.
Then he ran towards the handbagging, zoned in on Sean, cracked him on the head with his elbow and then refused to let go of his throat.
When O'Neill was causing bother at the start of the second, he went over to him and gave him a minute of the verbals.
He then had a wee dig at Conor Gormley. So there's our three stalwarts and Ciaran made sure they knew he was there.
He set the tone for the way Armagh were to win the game and executed it perfectly. He won, despite the black card.
I thought for a second you were describing Ryan McMenamin who you constantly lorded for his Judas performances over the years. Your double standards are kat O'Neill thank f**k you don't teach any of my children.
Quote from: haveaharp on July 16, 2014, 08:39:52 AM
I dont think anyone would condone McKeevers actions and its not something anyone wants to see on the pitch. He shouldnt have done what he did, but i dont think its as bad as you are making out. Lets face it, if someone wants to Judas someone with the elbow from behind that person is unlikely to be getting up for 5 mins.
Finally ONE Armagh fan shows some sign of admitting it was bad. That's what I was looking for. Most/ALL off the rest of yis are a disgrace and it says a lot about Armagh people's mindset.
If you read my posts over the years I have often said a team needs players like McKeever, Francie, Gormley and Ricey but when they step over the line which they all did several times then they should be punished and as a fan you should be man enough to admit it. I always have often to the annoyance of my fellow Tyrone fans and mates.
Finally, as Orangeman said I think with Mickey Harte and other's lack of media exposure Tyrone don't have anyone speaking up for themselves any more. Of course it's all too easy for others to say yis have a chip on your shoulder but for those more balanced in their opinions there definitely seems to be one rule for some counties and a different rule for others.
Dublin are looked upon now as the new darlings of GAA and Brolly (who obviously gets paid a good bit for his time on RTE) seems to have sing Dublin's praises big time. He preached from the pulpit about cynicism and how it is killing our games yet Dublin had two incidents of biting (that we know of) which were totally swept under the carpet as a poster alluded to a few months ago.
So yes we are saddened here in Tyrone that we have slipped even further down the ranks and our great manager looks to be on his last legs and other counties are delighted and in tears when they beat us but all this doesn't mean that when someone does something untoward then we should just passively sit back and say nothing. At least I'm not like that anyway.
I do wish Armagh well v Roscommon but if you play as badly as you did against us and hit that many wides I think ye will struggle. I supported yis when I came back from Australia in 2002 and got told where to go when some lads in a pub found out I was from Tyrone. I have also met loads of decent Armagh fans like I did last Sunday.
My main issue here is with RTE and the CCCC and how they go about their job. Now I am happy to park this now and move on but I do not regret in the slightest highlighting what was a disgraceful and cowardly act and I wish more of ye would admit that like Haveaharp had the balls to do. He might not have actually hit Sean with his elbow but it was still a RED card offence in most people's eyes.
I can't believe this McKeever incident has drawn so much debate...yes he gave Sean a slap on the mug with his forearm but I'm sure Sean received a lot worse that that over the years, Ciaran will do what it takes to win and that's prob why he's captain. Was it cowardly? I don't think so!!! He would have done it to any one if he thought it was going to intimate them into their we testicles shrinking back up into their scrotum.
I played against Ciaran and have seen him do similar things to some of my club mates and watched as they shit themselves and went into their shell...job done. Every team has a guy like this in their ranks and Tyrone had/have C Gormley who would do the same and try to intimate their men. I think what's eating the Tyrone men more than anything was the gutless/spineless performance they put in and they're clutching at straws here with McKeever.
Quote from: orangeman on July 16, 2014, 09:12:47 AM
I imagine that Fuzzman is coming from the position in which Tyrone found themselves this time last year when at half time in the Monaghan Tyrone quarter final, the CCCCCC suspended Penrose and Gornley for Dessie Mone hitting himself a slap in the mouth.
Fuzzman I would imagine is just trying to say that Tyrone were and are singled out for treatment by teams and by CCCC and RTE / Brolly are happy to highlight any Tyrone indiscretions but conveniently ignore Sunday's incident and pass it off as a bit of handbags even though FUzznan has shown that MC KEever's contribution was slightly more than that.
Would that be your thinking Fuzz ! Apologies if I have taken you up wrong.
What? Are you for real? Tyrone singled out fro treatment by other teams? Absolute nonsense, they are no more singled out than any other side so to think otherwise is just silly but for an Armagh man to justify a Tyrone mans logic for trying to hang McKeever is worse. Also I never once heard Brolly comment on the incident as I think he is off on holidays so that argument doesn't stack up either.
Fuzzman are you embarrassing yourself, it's hilarious your moral indignation, keep it lit kid, you and O'Neill should get a campaign going.
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Quote from: illdecide on July 16, 2014, 09:52:56 AM
I can't believe this McKeever incident has drawn so much debate...yes he gave Sean a slap on the mug with his forearm but I'm sure Sean received a lot worse that that over the years, Ciaran will do what it takes to win and that's prob why he's captain. Was it cowardly? I don't think so!!! He would have done it to any one if he thought it was going to intimate them into their we testicles shrinking back up into their scrotum.
I played against Ciaran and have seen him do similar things to some of my club mates and watched as they shit themselves and went into their shell...job done. Every team has a guy like this in their ranks and Tyrone had/have C Gormley who would do the same and try to intimate their men. I think what's eating the Tyrone men more than anything was the gutless/spineless performance they put in and they're clutching at straws here with McKeever.
Just give us a rematch sure.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 16, 2014, 09:54:44 AM
Quote from: orangeman on July 16, 2014, 09:12:47 AM
I imagine that Fuzzman is coming from the position in which Tyrone found themselves this time last year when at half time in the Monaghan Tyrone quarter final, the CCCCCC suspended Penrose and Gornley for Dessie Mone hitting himself a slap in the mouth.
Fuzzman I would imagine is just trying to say that Tyrone were and are singled out for treatment by teams and by CCCC and RTE / Brolly are happy to highlight any Tyrone indiscretions but conveniently ignore Sunday's incident and pass it off as a bit of handbags even though FUzznan has shown that MC KEever's contribution was slightly more than that.
Would that be your thinking Fuzz ! Apologies if I have taken you up wrong.
What? Are you for real? Tyrone singled out fro treatment by other teams? Absolute nonsense, they are no more singled out than any other side so to think otherwise is just silly but for an Armagh man to justify a Tyrone mans logic for trying to hang McKeever is worse. Also I never once heard Brolly comment on the incident as I think he is off on holidays so that argument doesn't stack up either.
I don't want Mc Keever hung. He got away with it. No issue there. And most people ( if not all ) would want Mc Keever playing for them. Mc Keever will do whatever he needs to in order to win. Tyrone would love to have him on their team in the same way that most would have loved Mc Menamin on their team. If Tyrone are to be serious competitors again, they're going to have to find a few Mc Keever like defenders.
Dessie Mone is fairly indiscrimate too - he doesn't single out Tyrone...
Quote from: ONeill on July 16, 2014, 09:58:23 AM
Quote from: illdecide on July 16, 2014, 09:52:56 AM
I can't believe this McKeever incident has drawn so much debate...yes he gave Sean a slap on the mug with his forearm but I'm sure Sean received a lot worse that that over the years, Ciaran will do what it takes to win and that's prob why he's captain. Was it cowardly? I don't think so!!! He would have done it to any one if he thought it was going to intimate them into their we testicles shrinking back up into their scrotum.
I played against Ciaran and have seen him do similar things to some of my club mates and watched as they shit themselves and went into their shell...job done. Every team has a guy like this in their ranks and Tyrone had/have C Gormley who would do the same and try to intimate their men. I think what's eating the Tyrone men more than anything was the gutless/spineless performance they put in and they're clutching at straws here with McKeever.
Just give us a rematch sure.
Not a bother
QuoteJust give us a rematch sure.
Do yous want a rematch on the ladies game also, even less men among them.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 16, 2014, 11:15:17 AM
QuoteJust give us a rematch sure.
Do yous want a rematch on the ladies game also, even less men among them.
Throw in the u21 hurlers too, maybe we could run that game off again?
Yea but how many times have yiz won The Voice.
Zipcode I just had a look at your last 20 posts as you seem to be VERY annoyed by this whole topic and I wondered did you once say anything rational about the incident.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=12273 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=12273)
Most of your posts seem to be one liners with lots of smilies and you seem to use quite a lot of bad language so I presume you're not that most articulate lad on the board but that's OK, neither am I.
I think it says a lot about you (and others) that not once have you commented on the incident that I have highlighted on its own merits but instead talk about everything else. I have often said Ricey was a disgrace to the Tyrone jersey and we should never have appealed his disgraceful knee into McEntee. I can't see you coming on saying anything like this. You and many like you.
So if you take a look in the mirror maybe you should be embarrassed that you come on a discussion board, mouth off like a teenager and not make one worth while argument to defend your player.
At least HaveaHarp said he can't condone it. You don't even admit that it was a bad "tackle".
I am happy to leave it at that as I can see I will never get most of yis stubborn Orangmen to admit any wrong-doing
I've discussed it with lads here at my work in Dublin and they can't believe he has got away with it. One Cork lad said if that was Gormley doing that to say Bernard Brogan there would be total uproar on RTE and newstalk and all the papers. His words not mine
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Quote from: illdecide on July 16, 2014, 09:52:56 AM
I can't believe this McKeever incident has drawn so much debate...yes he gave Sean a slap on the mug with his forearm but I'm sure Sean received a lot worse that that over the years, Ciaran will do what it takes to win and that's prob why he's captain. Was it cowardly? I don't think so!!! He would have done it to any one if he thought it was going to intimate them into their we testicles shrinking back up into their scrotum.
I played against Ciaran and have seen him do similar things to some of my club mates and watched as they shit themselves and went into their shell...job done. Every team has a guy like this in their ranks and Tyrone had/have C Gormley who would do the same and try to intimate their men. I think what's eating the Tyrone men more than anything was the gutless/spineless performance they put in and they're clutching at straws here with McKeever.
Tyrone, once the purveyors of the sly hit, now on the receiving end. But, the bit in bold, absolutely it was a cowardly hit, blindsiding a man ffs. The ultimate cowardly act on a football field. Only a couple of years ago James Kielt had his jaw broken from a box on the jaw from behind (didnt see it coming, unable to defend himself)....nasty carryon
Well said JOG and I wish more "Neutrals" would pass their comment. Muppet made his point that it looked bad but would need to see it on video but then didn't comment again since.
Quote from: orangeman on July 16, 2014, 10:06:49 AM
Mc Keever will do whatever he needs to in order to win. Tyrone would love to have him on their team in the same way that most would have loved Mc Menamin on their team. If Tyrone are to be serious competitors again, they're going to have to find a few Mc Keever like defenders.
Totally agree with these lines. Until Mickey stops picking nicey nicey ball players who can run all day then we're going nowhere.
It's fine for yis up there wanting to move on but all ye can go back to your club football now. I have to take the kids to support the "wonderful" Dubs now this Sunday and decide who I hate more Meath or Dublin.
There's not even a WC match on afterwards for God Sake.
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What we seen was what we call in the game a "yella hit" but the yella hit is over and done with and Im sure Mc Keever wishes he had faced up man to man to Sean even from his own hard man reputation point of view which is now in tatters.
Lads let it go game over what happens on the field stays on the field. Best of luck to Armagh in the Roscommon game.
McKeever is up there with the most unlikeable players in Ireland in my humble opinion.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 16, 2014, 01:01:12 PM
McKeever is up there with the most unlikeable players in Ireland in my humble opinion.
I am sure mc keever is stressed over that
For most of us in Armagh we are more than happy that when there is a battle to be faced he won't step back.
The Dangerous thing for Tyrone Football is that when Mickey is gone he is gone. Rarely do Managers come back and have major success on their second stint.
John O'Mahoney, Brian McEniff, Billy Morgan, Jon Maughan, Ger Loughnane are examples. The freshness is not there and the game has moved on and you are playing catch up. Plus you are older and the smaller things become a little harder to deal with.
Mickey came through from underage with the old gang. He knew their strengths and weaknesses at an early age. The present group are more foreign to him. And should he take a sabbatical, the next group would be even stranger.
Would Peter Canavan not be the obvious successor to Harte were he to step aside? Or would Tyrone fans not rate Canavan as a manager? I'm struggling to think of too many other viable candidates for the job as its a complete rebuilding job that is required.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 16, 2014, 01:23:09 PM
The Dangerous thing for Tyrone Football is that when Mickey is gone he is gone. Rarely do Managers come back and have major success on their second stint.
John O'Mahoney, Brian McEniff, Billy Morgan, Jon Maughan, Ger Loughnane are examples. The freshness is not there and the game has moved on and you are playing catch up. Plus you are older and the smaller things become a little harder to deal with.
Mickey came through from underage with the old gang. He knew their strengths and weaknesses at an early age. The present group are more foreign to him. And should he take a sabbatical, the next group would be even stranger.
I wouldn't count McEniff in that group. Won Ulster titles in his first few stints as Donegal manager, came back to bring us an AI title, and even as basically a caretaker ten years ago, took us to an AI semi we were unlucky to lose in 03.
@Woolberto: Elbow to the head followed by a neck choke manoeuvre...Standard stuff from that charming fellow Kieran McKeever https://t.co/j3fvCp2DIw
I see parkinson has seen the mckeever incident!
Just saw the Sunday Game highlights there. Yes, it was a dirty, corwardly hit. The "melee" started over nothing too! Maybe O'Se was right in his column today.
Has McKeever gotten away with his attack on Sean Cavanagh, or will video footage be used for a suspension for striking?
I don't want McKeever suspended. I want to see a full strength Armagh team go out against the Rossies. I just think its laughable that the same posters/columnists/pundits who dragged Cavanagh over hot coals for the last two seasons for being too physical when taking McManus down and then not being "manly" enough whilst buying frees are condoning the cowardly blindside attack on him.
Level playing field for all please and call a spade a spade.
Good piece on 'Off the Ball' on Newstalk yesterday evening about the Daragh article and about the shenanigans in Arma v T'rone.
http://www.newstalk.ie/player/listen_back/10/11365/16th_July_2014_-_Off_The_Ball_Part_1 (http://www.newstalk.ie/player/listen_back/10/11365/16th_July_2014_-_Off_The_Ball_Part_1)
Hate seeing cowardly belts on a pitch - McKeever's ticked all my boxes of hate >:(
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 17, 2014, 12:29:02 PM
Good piece on 'Off the Ball' on Newstalk yesterday evening about the Daragh article and about the shenanigans in Arma v T'rone.
http://www.newstalk.ie/player/listen_back/10/11365/16th_July_2014_-_Off_The_Ball_Part_1 (http://www.newstalk.ie/player/listen_back/10/11365/16th_July_2014_-_Off_The_Ball_Part_1)
Hate seeing cowardly belts on a pitch - McKeever's ticked all my boxes of hate >:(
+1
Should get a suspension. I don't care who he is or who they play next.
Quote from: muppet on July 17, 2014, 01:31:20 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 17, 2014, 12:29:02 PM
Good piece on 'Off the Ball' on Newstalk yesterday evening about the Daragh article and about the shenanigans in Arma v T'rone.
http://www.newstalk.ie/player/listen_back/10/11365/16th_July_2014_-_Off_The_Ball_Part_1 (http://www.newstalk.ie/player/listen_back/10/11365/16th_July_2014_-_Off_The_Ball_Part_1)
Hate seeing cowardly belts on a pitch - McKeever's ticked all my boxes of hate >:(
+1
Should get a suspension. I don't care who he is or who they play next.
No more cowardly an act than those players who come in to challenges deliberately late or leave the knee in.
As much as Armagh would find it difficult to argue if McKeever was suspended the assumptions by Dara and Newstalk that Armagh started rows deliberately is wrong. Cavan started the row first time round and there was no real row in the Tyrone game.
As a passing thought could it not be suggested that Tyrone wanted to start roughing Armagh up at the start when we see both Armagh midfielders subjected to head high challenges at the throw in. Although I have no video evidence I know that the Tyrone numbers 5 and 6 were threading on their opponents toes prior to throw in. As Aidan Forker is not as placid as Stefan Campbell he reacted and it is from there that the 'gathering' developed.
Just when I thought it was all dying down and ye Ourma boys were trying to concentrate on the next game.
Your last paragraph actually made me LOL.
Your first is totally unreal. The man runs 20 yards to elbow a man who was acting peace maker. Unreal
Someone thread on an Armagh players toes??? Why has this not come to light before? Some players just cross the line and ruin the game for everyone.
Thought the thread needed another kick start. ;)
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 17, 2014, 08:07:45 PM
Someone thread on an Armagh players toes??? Why has this not come to light before? Some players just cross the line and ruin the game for everyone.
Exactly. Tyrone has a large number who cross the line and ruin the game for everyone. Players and supporters.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on July 17, 2014, 07:37:44 AM
I don't want McKeever suspended. I want to see a full strength Armagh team go out against the Rossies. I just think its laughable that the same posters/columnists/pundits who dragged Cavanagh over hot coals for the last two seasons for being too physical when taking McManus down and then not being "manly" enough whilst buying frees are condoning the cowardly blindside attack on him.
Level playing field for all please and call a spade a spade.
Spot on, TSG crew seem to get awful het up about some incidents and don't even notice others. Looks like a dirty stroke from McKeever, nothing manly or hard about it
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 17, 2014, 08:06:25 PM
Just when I thought it was all dying down and ye Ourma boys were trying to concentrate on the next game.
Your last paragraph actually made me LOL.
Your first is totally unreal. The man runs 20 yards to elbow a man who was acting peace maker. Unreal
What exactly is your definition of 'elbowing' someone?
Usually entails the swinging back of the arm with the elbow aimed at the person on receiving end. McKeever clearly ran at Cavanagh leading with the arm up. Elbow? Nah bai.
Yes he's a thug - just watch him for his club he acts the cnut on numerous occasions with little or no provocation - it's just his game and 9 times out of 10 it works.
What he did on Sunday was sly enough but there has been far far worse done and you are exaggerating the fcuk out of this.
Quote from: general_lee on July 17, 2014, 10:09:32 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 17, 2014, 08:06:25 PM
Just when I thought it was all dying down and ye Ourma boys were trying to concentrate on the next game.
Your last paragraph actually made me LOL.
Your first is totally unreal. The man runs 20 yards to elbow a man who was acting peace maker. Unreal
What exactly is your definition of 'elbowing' someone?
Usually entails the swinging back of the arm with the elbow aimed at the person on receiving end. McKeever clearly ran at Cavanagh leading with the arm up. Elbow? Nah bai.
Yes he's a thug - just watch him for his club he acts the cnut on numerous occasions with little or no provocation - it's just his game and 9 times out of 10 it works.
What he did on Sunday was sly enough but there has been far far worse done and you are exaggerating the fcuk out of this.
Yes, but if Conor Gormley had done the same to Jamie Clarke the internet would have melted by now and the Sunday Game would have had an extended show on Sunday night to facilitate more hand wringing.
Can't believe this is still being talked about.
Every team needs/has players like this. McKeever will do whatever it takes to piss the opposition off and like someone previously said 9/10 times it works. Sean has been around long enough to know that this stuff happens in sport and has not cried about it. Whether you like it or not, it happens.
Football is turning into a sport like Rugby where the referee can give a free/card for anything they like. Gaelic football is a contact sport and I would prefer it to be hard hitting rather than be something like soccer.
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on July 17, 2014, 11:08:42 PM
Can't believe this is still being talked about.
Every team needs/has players like this. McKeever will do whatever it takes to get piss the opposition off and like someone previously said 9/10 times it works. Sean has been around long enough to know that this stuff happens in sport and has not cried about it. Whether you like it or not, it happens.
Football is turning into a sport like Rugby where the referee can give a free/card for anything they like. Gaelic football is a contact sport and I would prefer it to be hard hitting rather than be something like soccer.
Absolutely - and these sort of things can be talked about for 11 years later if you aren't careful.
It's still being talked about cos Throw Ball said he wanted to kick start it again
When I read General Lee and so many other Armagh posters comments and see how few of you amazingly don't see that much wrong with this challenge, I can now understand a bit better at least why so many of you could never admit Marsden was the one who actually raised his hands and was therefore in the wrong, even though he was provoked.
For anyone to look at that video or this PIC and to NOT say that McKeever sprinted at Sean with his elbow pointed ready to hit is kidding themselves.
He might not have caught him on the chin but he went for it full on from the blind side.
Surely the fact that so many neutrals now say the same has meant some of your colleagues have moved on.
But no, not all of ye
(http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp6/fuzzman1/McKeever2.jpg)
My take on it is If Sean Cavanagh was so concerned with keeping the peace he should have been pulling his Tyronie team mates away from the melee but there he is pictured pulling at an Armagh player who isn't actually doing anything. Tyrone got away with plenty of dirty tackles over the last decade, don't start pointing the finger now that the tables have turned.
Sean is known for introducing elements of other sports into Gaelic football so McKeever thought he would see if Sean was up for a bit of Karate. No harm done.
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on July 17, 2014, 11:47:11 PM
My take on it is If Sean Cavanagh was so concerned with keeping the peace he should have been pulling his Tyronie team mates away from the melee but there he is pictured pulling at an Armagh player who isn't actually doing anything.
Yeah, so he deserved to an elbow (sorry, forearm ::)) lobbed into his face from his blindside.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 17, 2014, 11:52:27 PM
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on July 17, 2014, 11:47:11 PM
My take on it is If Sean Cavanagh was so concerned with keeping the peace he should have been pulling his Tyronie team mates away from the melee but there he is pictured pulling at an Armagh player who isn't actually doing anything.
Yeah, so he deserved to an elbow (sorry, forearm ::)) lobbed into his face from his blindside.
I am not saying that he deserved a forearm to the face - and I will admit it was a dirty hit. However like I said, he should have been pulling at his own players.
Could have poked him in the eye :o
We have been waiting 9 years to be in a position to wind up youse Tyrone ones. You are making it too easy.
Is this persecution complex passed by beating an infected team? Ah Jesus. We might be better off losing on Saturday.
Quote from: Throw ball on July 18, 2014, 12:02:30 AM
We have been waiting 9 years to be in a position to wind up youse Tyrone ones. You are making it too easy.
Nearly 11 years I'd say.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 18, 2014, 12:03:58 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on July 18, 2014, 12:02:30 AM
We have been waiting 9 years to be in a position to wind up youse Tyrone ones. You are making it too easy.
Nearly 11 years I'd say.
:D
Who really cares, they are both s*** teams who are going to win nothing.
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on July 17, 2014, 11:54:46 PM
I am not saying that he deserved a forearm to the face - and I will admit it was a dirty hit. However like I said, he should have been pulling at his own players.
Fair play Armaghgeddon. At least you have the balls to admit that unlike so many others.
Only the second or maybe third one to admit this.
If you read my posts over the years I have often swallowed my pride and admitted that players like Ricey, Gormley and others have done disgraceful stuff. Yes you do need players like that from time to time but it should not celebrated like some people do.
As the lads on Newtalk said, McKeever is almost proud to be going around causing rows and roughing it up as he said so publicly in twitter. https://twitter.com/cmckeever6 (https://twitter.com/cmckeever6)
I wonder what McGeeney thinks of that.
I will call it how I see it but I wont ridicule him for it. I am delighted he plays for Armagh
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on July 18, 2014, 11:03:49 AM
I will call it how I see it but I wont ridicule him for it. I am delighted he plays for Armagh
and so was I when he gifted the 2005 all ireland semi to us ;D
He is a good player all right and a real winner
He has become your new McGeeney
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 18, 2014, 11:29:56 AM
He is a good player all right and a real winner
He has become your new McGeeney
Calm down Fuzz
Quote from: Throw ball on July 18, 2014, 12:02:30 AM
We have been waiting 9 years to be in a position to wind up youse Tyrone ones. You are making it too easy.
Au contraire.
If Tyrone won and Armagh were going on about skulduggery we'd have patted you on the head and moved on to the next round thread.
However, Fuzz has obliterated yiz all for a bit of crack. And the national media have jumped on too. It has fairly brightened up a dull week.
No No I'm serious Benny. He is a good player and he's just a little mis-understood.
My change of heart is in no way influenced that he could soon live near me.
http://www.thescore.ie/ciaran-mckeever-armagh-transfer-to-parnells-1548191-Jul2014/ (http://www.thescore.ie/ciaran-mckeever-armagh-transfer-to-parnells-1548191-Jul2014/)
I didn't realise in the Monaghan game that he was the only one not scared to take part in the parade.
(http://c0.thejournal.ie/media/2014/07/ciaran-mckeever-6-630x394.jpg)
You can see Clerkin and the lads looking over at him thinking WTF.
Ahh lads leave me alone to enjoy this thread. For people like ZipCode and yellowcard I made their whole weak. ;)
Sure the CCCCCCCCC were off on holidays anyway as McKeever was informed so he knew he had a free reign to do what he wants. He's still annoyed with Tyrone that he handed us the AI in 2005 with that last foul so he's entitled to some revenge before he starts to play for the Dubs next year in the hope of winning SAM.
I think anyone leaving their home club especially for the queen's shilling is not a real gael. You stick with your club no matter what. I'm more disappointed in McKeever leaving Cullyhanna than his cowardly blindside strike.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on July 18, 2014, 06:53:15 PM
I think anyone leaving their home club especially for the queen's shilling is not a real gael.
Jeebers, does the Queen own Parnells? it is even worse that I thought.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on July 18, 2014, 06:53:15 PM
I think anyone leaving their home club especially for the queen's shilling is not a real gael. You stick with your club no matter what. I'm more disappointed in McKeever leaving Cullyhanna than his cowardly blindside strike.
Moving to get work... catch yourself on Moortown.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on Today at 06:53:15 PM
I think anyone leaving their home club especially for the queen's shilling is not a real gael. You stick with your club no matter what. I'm more disappointed in McKeever leaving Cullyhanna than his cowardly blindside strike.
Bit rich coming from Moortown Spuds sure where is most of your 1st team players this year. Can you let us have how many?