Two good footballing teams, none of your oul pulling and dragging that you get with Tyrone. Should be a cracker.
Looking forward to it...might have to book a little trip over.
Game is scheduled for Clones on Saturday 28th at 7pm according to the Ulster Council.
To be fair I would rather have met Tyrone. We will be serious underdogs. It will be tough and we will need a fair share of luck to progress.
I don't know why Clones is the venue, it should be a neutral venue, Casement or Healy pk.
Good to have earned the right the hard way, to be in the sf with Armagh. Regardless of what lesser mortals say, it will be a competitive (51-49) game.
Should be in Newry.
Monaghan are the Dubs of the north ...... without the money.
Remember the last championship meeting in Clones between Armagh and Monaghan on a Saturday night. Brolly is a tool banner and a dire match we were nearly happy to lose in 09!
Quote from: T Fearon on June 15, 2014, 05:13:01 PM
Remember the last championship meeting in Clones between Armagh and Monaghan on a Saturday night. Brolly is a tool banner and a dire match we were nearly happy to lose in 09!
Jesus that was tough viewing!
Was strange watching the end of the match there. I wanted tyrone to lose but didn't want Armagh to be playing Monaghan. This game will show us where we stand in terms of progression. A heroic defeat will be the most likely outcome but one can always hope. A trouncing, on the other hand will be an absolute disaster.
Quote from: ardchieftain on June 15, 2014, 05:52:41 PM
Was strange watching the end of the match there. I wanted tyrone to lose but didn't want Armagh to be playing Monaghan. This game will show us where we stand in terms of progression. A heroic defeat will be the most likely outcome but one can always hope. A trouncing, on the other hand will be an absolute disaster.
+1
I dread to think what could happen if the suspensions of B Donaghy, A Mallon and K Toner stand!
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Quote from: ardchieftain on June 15, 2014, 05:52:41 PM
Was strange watching the end of the match there. I wanted tyrone to lose but didn't want Armagh to be playing Monaghan. This game will show us where we stand in terms of progression. A heroic defeat will be the most likely outcome but one can always hope. A trouncing, on the other hand will be an absolute disaster.
+1
I dread to think what could happen if the suspensions of B Donaghy, A Mallon and K Toner stand!
Do what Derry did all those years ago, get Brolly in on the appeal. By the end of it, the CCCC will be offering an apology to Armagh GAA for any inconvenience caused by the wrongful suspensions and 3 halos will be in the post.
Quote from: Main Street on June 15, 2014, 04:17:36 PM
I don't know why Clones is the venue, it should be a neutral venue, Casement or Healy pk.
Isn't Casement closed and in a state of demolition?
I'd have no issue with Omagh or Cavan, although Armagh are well used to playing in Clones too (maybe not some of the younger players).
Quote from: Schkite on June 15, 2014, 05:18:12 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 15, 2014, 05:13:01 PM
Remember the last championship meeting in Clones between Armagh and Monaghan on a Saturday night. Brolly is a tool banner and a dire match we were nearly happy to lose in 09!
Jesus that was tough viewing!
A painful experience. The football was dire.
Don't think it'll be the same again. Clones of a Saturday night. G'wan ye boy ye.
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Quote from: Schkite on June 15, 2014, 05:18:12 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 15, 2014, 05:13:01 PM
Remember the last championship meeting in Clones between Armagh and Monaghan on a Saturday night. Brolly is a tool banner and a dire match we were nearly happy to lose in 09!
Jesus that was tough viewing!
A painful experience. The football was dire.
Don't think it'll be the same again. Clones of a Saturday night. G'wan ye boy ye.
It'll be Sky's first taste of Ulster football I believe, let's hope for a better standard than that night or they'll not be back for more!
Quote from: Sandy Hill on June 15, 2014, 06:54:18 PM
Quote from: ardchieftain on June 15, 2014, 05:52:41 PM
Was strange watching the end of the match there. I wanted tyrone to lose but didn't want Armagh to be playing Monaghan. This game will show us where we stand in terms of progression. A heroic defeat will be the most likely outcome but one can always hope. A trouncing, on the other hand will be an absolute disaster.
+1
I dread to think what could happen if the suspensions of B Donaghy, A Mallon and K Toner stand!
Andy won't be there as they are't appealing his suspension.
I think Brendan Donaghy is the only one who might get off on appeal. The injuries we had during the league might end up being a blessing as several lads got plenty of game time and experience. Harold for Toner, Murray for Andy perhaps?
McManus looked well off the pace yesterday and i found it strange that he was risked. How much will his injury improve in the next fortnight? If he's firing on all cylinders next day i'd imagine he will destroy us.
Quote from: ardchieftain on June 16, 2014, 04:55:29 PM
I think Brendan Donaghy is the only one who might get off on appeal. The injuries we had during the league might end up being a blessing as several lads got plenty of game time and experience. Harold for Toner, Murray for Andy perhaps?
McManus looked well off the pace yesterday and i found it strange that he was risked. How much will his injury improve in the next fortnight? If he's firing on all cylinders next day i'd imagine he will destroy us.
It was a big risk but one that paid off. He didn't do much in open play but just being on the pitch he commanded attention that otherwise would have been elsewhere, and he was faultless from frees which proved crucial in such a tight game.
I doubt he'll be fully fit for Armagh as it's less than two weeks, but he should be a bit more up to speed, as should Lennon hopefully.
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Quote from: ardchieftain on June 16, 2014, 04:55:29 PM
I think Brendan Donaghy is the only one who might get off on appeal. The injuries we had during the league might end up being a blessing as several lads got plenty of game time and experience. Harold for Toner, Murray for Andy perhaps?
McManus looked well off the pace yesterday and i found it strange that he was risked. How much will his injury improve in the next fortnight? If he's firing on all cylinders next day i'd imagine he will destroy us.
It was a big risk but one that paid off. He didn't do much in open play but just being on the pitch he commanded attention that otherwise would have been elsewhere, and he was faultless from frees which proved crucial in such a tight game.
I doubt he'll be fully fit for Armagh as it's less than two weeks, but he should be a bit more up to speed, as should Lennon hopefully.
If he manages 6 points from frees or play, i'd be happy enough.
Obviously a lot of room for improvement from Monaghan - and I think nerves / the psychological element played a part in a lot of unforced mistakes yesterday - but how much better do they need to get? I didn't see the Armagh Cavan game, but I was at our league game with them and bar one purple patch, Armagh were woeful. It's common to hear people saying "a similar performance won't do the next day" - is that the case here? Could Monaghan beat Armagh on yesterday's performance?
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Quote from: Schkite on June 16, 2014, 05:58:49 PM
Quote from: ardchieftain on June 16, 2014, 04:55:29 PM
I think Brendan Donaghy is the only one who might get off on appeal. The injuries we had during the league might end up being a blessing as several lads got plenty of game time and experience. Harold for Toner, Murray for Andy perhaps?
McManus looked well off the pace yesterday and i found it strange that he was risked. How much will his injury improve in the next fortnight? If he's firing on all cylinders next day i'd imagine he will destroy us.
It was a big risk but one that paid off. He didn't do much in open play but just being on the pitch he commanded attention that otherwise would have been elsewhere, and he was faultless from frees which proved crucial in such a tight game.
I doubt he'll be fully fit for Armagh as it's less than two weeks, but he should be a bit more up to speed, as should Lennon hopefully.
If he manages 6 points from frees or play, i'd be happy enough.
Obviously a lot of room for improvement from Monaghan - and I think nerves / the psychological element played a part in a lot of unforced mistakes yesterday - but how much better do they need to get? I didn't see the Armagh Cavan game, but I was at our league game with them and bar one purple patch, Armagh were woeful. It's common to hear people saying "a similar performance won't do the next day" - is that the case here? Could Monaghan beat Armagh on yesterday's performance?
Armagh are not as bad as they appeared that day but it will be a big ask for them to beat Monaghan. A bit of luck needed and a few suspensions overturned.
Oops wrong thread. Has anyone seen the qualifiers thread.........
Quote from: ardchieftain on June 16, 2014, 04:55:29 PM
I think Brendan Donaghy is the only one who might get off on appeal. The injuries we had during the league might end up being a blessing as several lads got plenty of game time and experience. Harold for Toner, Murray for Andy perhaps?
McManus looked well off the pace yesterday and i found it strange that he was risked. How much will his injury improve in the next fortnight? If he's firing on all cylinders next day i'd imagine he will destroy us.
Think both guys ( toner & donaghy) should get off.
It was disappointing the mention of dunne being targeted but no mention hits donaghy and Clarke took.
Still on a serious level we are a couple of years from the Monaghan level.
Would Armagh fans expect changes to their line up irrespective if no players were facing suspensions? e.g. would Harold / E. Rafferty be expected in midfield over Toner / Findon?
From a Monaghan perspective O'Rourke has proven he picks a team based on a specific gameplan so Monaghan can expect to see two to three changes from the team that started against Tyrone. I
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 16, 2014, 07:54:57 PM
Quote from: Schkite on June 16, 2014, 05:58:49 PM
Quote from: ardchieftain on June 16, 2014, 04:55:29 PM
I think Brendan Donaghy is the only one who might get off on appeal. The injuries we had during the league might end up being a blessing as several lads got plenty of game time and experience. Harold for Toner, Murray for Andy perhaps?
McManus looked well off the pace yesterday and i found it strange that he was risked. How much will his injury improve in the next fortnight? If he's firing on all cylinders next day i'd imagine he will destroy us.
It was a big risk but one that paid off. He didn't do much in open play but just being on the pitch he commanded attention that otherwise would have been elsewhere, and he was faultless from frees which proved crucial in such a tight game.
I doubt he'll be fully fit for Armagh as it's less than two weeks, but he should be a bit more up to speed, as should Lennon hopefully.
If he manages 6 points from frees or play, i'd be happy enough.
Obviously a lot of room for improvement from Monaghan - and I think nerves / the psychological element played a part in a lot of unforced mistakes yesterday - but how much better do they need to get? I didn't see the Armagh Cavan game, but I was at our league game with them and bar one purple patch, Armagh were woeful. It's common to hear people saying "a similar performance won't do the next day" - is that the case here? Could Monaghan beat Armagh on yesterday's performance?
The question is could Monaghan have beaten Armagh in the 1st round. Now both teams have won their 1/4 final and will be in a different shape in the semi final. Monaghan squad should be that bit stronger with more options available.
I think O'Rourke's maxim holds true, that no matter if we were in a much better shape than Tyrone, shoulda/coulda been out of sight, we were always going to make a pig's ear of the job to cross the line ahead of them, because of the longstanding Tyrone curse.
Quote from: Main Street on June 17, 2014, 11:51:24 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 16, 2014, 07:54:57 PM
Quote from: Schkite on June 16, 2014, 05:58:49 PM
Quote from: ardchieftain on June 16, 2014, 04:55:29 PM
I think Brendan Donaghy is the only one who might get off on appeal. The injuries we had during the league might end up being a blessing as several lads got plenty of game time and experience. Harold for Toner, Murray for Andy perhaps?
McManus looked well off the pace yesterday and i found it strange that he was risked. How much will his injury improve in the next fortnight? If he's firing on all cylinders next day i'd imagine he will destroy us.
It was a big risk but one that paid off. He didn't do much in open play but just being on the pitch he commanded attention that otherwise would have been elsewhere, and he was faultless from frees which proved crucial in such a tight game.
I doubt he'll be fully fit for Armagh as it's less than two weeks, but he should be a bit more up to speed, as should Lennon hopefully.
If he manages 6 points from frees or play, i'd be happy enough.
Obviously a lot of room for improvement from Monaghan - and I think nerves / the psychological element played a part in a lot of unforced mistakes yesterday - but how much better do they need to get? I didn't see the Armagh Cavan game, but I was at our league game with them and bar one purple patch, Armagh were woeful. It's common to hear people saying "a similar performance won't do the next day" - is that the case here? Could Monaghan beat Armagh on yesterday's performance?
The question is could Monaghan have beaten Armagh in the 1st round. Now both teams have won their 1/4 final and will be in a different shape in the semi final. Monaghan squad should be that bit stronger with more options available.
I think O'Rourke's maxim holds true, that no matter if we were in a much better shape than Tyrone, shoulda/coulda been out of sight, we were always going to make a pig's ear of the job to cross the line ahead of them, because of the longstanding Tyrone curse.
Exactly. While obviously Tyrone did well to get back into it at the end, surely there must have been some doubt going through the head of the older lads, you could see the relief at the final whistle that the monkey was off the back.
It's probably not a bad thing either. If we'd won by 5/6 points in a game where Tyrone didn't mount a late comeback, there was the potential for a bit of complacency to creep in. No danger of that now and O'Rourke will make sure of that.
Definitely a few changes anyway. Hopefully Lennon regains fitness although Dick deserves to keep his place. A couple of changes from the starting half-forward line aswell I'd imagine.
Quote from: Sleater on June 17, 2014, 10:21:49 AM
Would Armagh fans expect changes to their line up irrespective if no players were facing suspensions? e.g. would Harold / E. Rafferty be expected in midfield over Toner / Findon?
From a Monaghan perspective O'Rourke has proven he picks a team based on a specific gameplan so Monaghan can expect to see two to three changes from the team that started against Tyrone. I
I'd like to think that the Armagh management will set out their team to counter the opposition. On the surface it looks like the tactical mistakes of last year have been addressed, so hopefully this is the case. Would there be changes irrespective of suspensions? I'd like to think so. I'm looking forward to and dreading this game in equal measures simply because this game is the acid test for this rebuilt squad. I believe we have the players to trouble most teams but feel the players on the periphery need to get this season over them first before they come of age and kick on next season.
Quote from: ardchieftain on June 17, 2014, 01:49:22 PM
Quote from: Sleater on June 17, 2014, 10:21:49 AM
Would Armagh fans expect changes to their line up irrespective if no players were facing suspensions? e.g. would Harold / E. Rafferty be expected in midfield over Toner / Findon?
From a Monaghan perspective O'Rourke has proven he picks a team based on a specific gameplan so Monaghan can expect to see two to three changes from the team that started against Tyrone. I
I'd like to think that the Armagh management will set out their team to counter the opposition. On the surface it looks like the tactical mistakes of last year have been addressed, so hopefully this is the case. Would there be changes irrespective of suspensions? I'd like to think so. I'm looking forward to and dreading this game in equal measures simply because this game is the acid test for this rebuilt squad. I believe we have the players to trouble most teams but feel the players on the periphery need to get this season over them first before they come of age and kick on next season.
If Harold and Rafferty were to play against Monaghan it would signal a more attacking set up. The two lads are very good footballers but both are more comfortable going forward than having to mind the house. I'd imagine if Toner was available the same team would take the field bar AK coming in for Andy Mallon, if fit. Mickey Murray is a further option there. Toner and Findon formed a defensive barrier in front of our defence and I'd say the management would prefer this.
Quote from: Schkite on June 17, 2014, 01:31:35 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 17, 2014, 11:51:24 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 16, 2014, 07:54:57 PM
Quote from: Schkite on June 16, 2014, 05:58:49 PM
Quote from: ardchieftain on June 16, 2014, 04:55:29 PM
I think Brendan Donaghy is the only one who might get off on appeal. The injuries we had during the league might end up being a blessing as several lads got plenty of game time and experience. Harold for Toner, Murray for Andy perhaps?
McManus looked well off the pace yesterday and i found it strange that he was risked. How much will his injury improve in the next fortnight? If he's firing on all cylinders next day i'd imagine he will destroy us.
It was a big risk but one that paid off. He didn't do much in open play but just being on the pitch he commanded attention that otherwise would have been elsewhere, and he was faultless from frees which proved crucial in such a tight game.
I doubt he'll be fully fit for Armagh as it's less than two weeks, but he should be a bit more up to speed, as should Lennon hopefully.
If he manages 6 points from frees or play, i'd be happy enough.
Obviously a lot of room for improvement from Monaghan - and I think nerves / the psychological element played a part in a lot of unforced mistakes yesterday - but how much better do they need to get? I didn't see the Armagh Cavan game, but I was at our league game with them and bar one purple patch, Armagh were woeful. It's common to hear people saying "a similar performance won't do the next day" - is that the case here? Could Monaghan beat Armagh on yesterday's performance?
The question is could Monaghan have beaten Armagh in the 1st round. Now both teams have won their 1/4 final and will be in a different shape in the semi final. Monaghan squad should be that bit stronger with more options available.
I think O'Rourke's maxim holds true, that no matter if we were in a much better shape than Tyrone, shoulda/coulda been out of sight, we were always going to make a pig's ear of the job to cross the line ahead of them, because of the longstanding Tyrone curse.
Exactly. While obviously Tyrone did well to get back into it at the end, surely there must have been some doubt going through the head of the older lads, you could see the relief at the final whistle that the monkey was off the back.
It's probably not a bad thing either. If we'd won by 5/6 points in a game where Tyrone didn't mount a late comeback, there was the potential for a bit of complacency to creep in. No danger of that now and O'Rourke will make sure of that.
Definitely a few changes anyway. Hopefully Lennon regains fitness although Dick deserves to keep his place. A couple of changes from the starting half-forward line aswell I'd imagine.
It was refreshing to see the new Dick Clerkin, almost as if he'd been reborn (a dna deep cleansing) after a visit to the River Jordan last week, and that coupled with Dessie Mone getting remarked upon for not going down when hit on the face, Armagh are going to be in a state of flux when confronted by this Monaghan team.
Monaghan the hot favourites for this. Two divisions higher than Armagh, Ulster champions, and an all round physically strong, fit and well drilled team. Looked very good in large spells in the league game in Armagh. I'd say there wouldn't be too many Monaghan supporters who would not fancy their chances here. Hopefully Armagh will be able to take some positives from the game to build on.
Monaghan not all that impressive last Sunday,and were lucky enough to win against a mediocre Tyrone team.Wouldn't rule a younger Armagh team out entirely,after all Cavan nearly beat Monaghan in the semi final last year. O'Rourke bound to be having nightmares coming up against Mc Donnell after the 2008 Ulster Final,again
Don't know. Haven't seen a lot to like about Armagh yet. I feel they are a couple of years off being relevant to anyone outside lurgan again.
Quote from: Schkite on June 17, 2014, 01:31:35 PM
Definitely a few changes anyway. Hopefully Lennon regains fitness although Dick deserves to keep his place. A couple of changes from the starting half-forward line aswell I'd imagine.
I agree, Dick has played his way back into the starting 15. He's a different type of midfielder to Lennon though. So does Doogan lose out? Where's Darren Hughes? Move him back, bring Kelly into CHB?
Among the forwards there's room for improvement, which we should get. What's the story with Owen Duffy, Latton? Is he fit again? I'd hope McCarron gets a run too.
Quote from: babarino on June 17, 2014, 10:59:35 PM
Quote from: Schkite on June 17, 2014, 01:31:35 PM
Definitely a few changes anyway. Hopefully Lennon regains fitness although Dick deserves to keep his place. A couple of changes from the starting half-forward line aswell I'd imagine.
I agree, Dick has played his way back into the starting 15. He's a different type of midfielder to Lennon though. So does Doogan lose out? Where's Darren Hughes? Move him back, bring Kelly into CHB?
Among the forwards there's room for improvement, which we should get. What's the story with Owen Duffy, Latton? Is he fit again? I'd hope McCarron gets a run too.
Eoin Duffy is fit to play , that's for sure. However I seen Duffy play in the senior club championship over a month ago and to be honest he wasn't that impressive. He wasn't at the level that made him an automatic starter (when fit) for the county last year.
Quote from: Armamike on June 17, 2014, 10:40:18 PM
Monaghan the hot favourites for this. Two divisions higher than Armagh, Ulster champions, and an all round physically strong, fit and well drilled team. Looked very good in large spells in the league game in Armagh. I'd say there wouldn't be too many Monaghan supporters who would not fancy their chances here. Hopefully Armagh will be able to take some positives from the game to build on.
Agree, Armagh will do will to keep a challenge going for the full 70 minutes. Their shooting against Cavan especially in the first half was iffy to say the least.
Monaghan may make one or two changes but not wholesale.
Eoin Lennon won't make it, wasn't even togged to play on Sunday even if he was listed in the original 26.
Paudie McKenna give away first ball and never recovered, but he showed in the league final that he can play. He'll be better for last sunday. Same with McGuinness, had a bad start but will be better the next day if selected, not a bad player by any means.
Can't see any changes at the back or midfield.
Finlay might come into the half forward line. I think he was held in reserve incase McManus struggled, if he needed to be replaced we had a big name/player to come in - wouldn't be seen as big a blow to players or the crowd. Finlay was also covering midfield as a replacement as well.
Need to get more from half forward line, so he may look there.
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Quote from: Schkite on June 17, 2014, 01:31:35 PM
Definitely a few changes anyway. Hopefully Lennon regains fitness although Dick deserves to keep his place. A couple of changes from the starting half-forward line aswell I'd imagine.
I agree, Dick has played his way back into the starting 15. He's a different type of midfielder to Lennon though. So does Doogan lose out? Where's Darren Hughes? Move him back, bring Kelly into CHB?
Among the forwards there's room for improvement, which we should get. What's the story with Owen Duffy, Latton? Is he fit again? I'd hope McCarron gets a run too.
Eoin Duffy is fit to play , that's for sure. However I seen Duffy play in the senior club championship over a month ago and to be honest he wasn't that impressive. He wasn't at the level that made him an automatic starter (when fit) for the county last year.
That's a pity, hopefully he can get back near that form as he'd provide a much needed scoring option in the half-forward line.
Quote from: Bingo on June 18, 2014, 10:25:36 AM
Monaghan may make one or two changes but not wholesale.
Eoin Lennon won't make it, wasn't even togged to play on Sunday even if he was listed in the original 26.
Paudie McKenna give away first ball and never recovered, but he showed in the league final that he can play. He'll be better for last sunday. Same with McGuinness, had a bad start but will be better the next day if selected, not a bad player by any means.
Can't see any changes at the back or midfield.
Finlay might come into the half forward line. I think he was held in reserve incase McManus struggled, if he needed to be replaced we had a big name/player to come in - wouldn't be seen as big a blow to players or the crowd. Finlay was also covering midfield as a replacement as well.
Need to get more from half forward line, so he may look there.
Agree with all of that. Armagh will bring the double duvet with them. Finlay required to punch holes in said double duvet..
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 18, 2014, 02:11:47 PM
Agree with all of that. Armagh will bring the double duvet with them. Finlay required to punch holes in said double duvet..
Punching holes is OK, better than lying down in said duvet...................
Quote from: rrhf on June 17, 2014, 10:55:31 PM
Don't know. Haven't seen a lot to like about Armagh yet. I feel they are a couple of years off being relevant to anyone outside lurgan again.
Oi, less of that now
Seeing as Oisin McConville got the Monaghan Tyrone game spot on, I'd have to respect the general comments he made about this game, that Armagh have it in them to compete and make a good game of it.
Any hint of complacency by Monaghan will be hit hard.
The league encounter was nice for an almost full strength Monaghan but it will be a lot closer in Clones.
Quote from: Main Street on June 19, 2014, 11:06:47 AM
Seeing as Oisin McConville got the Monaghan Tyrone game spot on, I'd have to respect the general comments he made about this game, that Armagh have it in them to compete and make a good game of it.
Any hint of complacency by Monaghan will be hit hard.
The league encounter was nice for an almost full strength Monaghan but it will be a lot closer in Clones.
The final score of the league game shows that we won well but it could have been very different. We had a great start but who knows what way the momentum would have went if Beggan hadn't saved Clarke's penalty. Even after that they got back to within a point and only fell away after Mallon got sent off.
I'd hope and expect the team won't be in any way complacent for this, Armagh will relish the underdog tag and will want to punish any hint of arrogance.
A bit of arrogance is okay, look at the milage Tyrone got from theirs', but complacency will be punished.
QuoteSeeing as Oisin McConville got the Monaghan Tyrone game spot on, I'd have to respect the general comments he made about this game, that Armagh have it in them to compete and make a good game of it.
Thats's about it, I would have thought. The 2014 Armagh to provide a test, but the more developed Monaghan to win.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 19, 2014, 03:02:57 PM
QuoteSeeing as Oisin McConville got the Monaghan Tyrone game spot on, I'd have to respect the general comments he made about this game, that Armagh have it in them to compete and make a good game of it.
Thats's about it, I would have thought. The 2014 Armagh to provide a test, but the more developed Monaghan to win.
Ayh, right..
You boys are quietly confident, be honest.. ???
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 19, 2014, 03:45:59 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 19, 2014, 03:02:57 PM
QuoteSeeing as Oisin McConville got the Monaghan Tyrone game spot on, I'd have to respect the general comments he made about this game, that Armagh have it in them to compete and make a good game of it.
Thats's about it, I would have thought. The 2014 Armagh to provide a test, but the more developed Monaghan to win.
Ayh, right..
You boys are quietly confident, be honest.. ???
Why should we be confident, all we beat was Cavan and we'll have suspensions?
In any case who would be confident in public, we'd end up like EC Unique with people laughing at us. ::)
Quote from: armaghniac on June 19, 2014, 03:59:02 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 19, 2014, 03:45:59 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 19, 2014, 03:02:57 PM
QuoteSeeing as Oisin McConville got the Monaghan Tyrone game spot on, I'd have to respect the general comments he made about this game, that Armagh have it in them to compete and make a good game of it.
Thats's about it, I would have thought. The 2014 Armagh to provide a test, but the more developed Monaghan to win.
Ayh, right..
You boys are quietly confident, be honest.. ???
Why should we be confident, all we beat was Cavan and we'll have suspensions?
In any case who would be confident in public, we'd end up like EC Unique with people laughing at us. ::)
So you don't deny being quietly confident?
typical Armagh arrogance ;D
I deny being quietly confident.
Monaghan didn't play well for large parts of the Tyrone game, in the unlikely event of this happening again perhaps there is some hope.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 19, 2014, 10:05:06 PM
I deny being quietly confident.
Monaghan didn't play well for large parts of the Tyrone game, in the unlikely event of this happening again perhaps there is some hope.
As long as there is some life there is always some hope.
But not playing well and still beating Tyrone who had just pummelled Down, is actually still a good performance.
No matter how dysfunctional Tyrone were, there is still their rabid nature to deal with, which expressed itself wildly after them staring into the abyss of their inevitable doom.
Quote from: Main Street on June 19, 2014, 11:02:20 PM
No matter how dysfunctional Tyrone were, there is still their rabid nature to deal with, which expressed itself wildly after them staring into the abyss of their inevitable doom.
As long as they didn't bite you or you'll be frothing at the mouth too.
any word if game is going to be all ticket or not ?
Quote from: Abble on June 20, 2014, 08:51:30 AM
any word if game is going to be all ticket or not ?
It might be, but like last Sunday, you'll be able to buy tickets on site. 'All ticket' is only an issue if demand is greater than supply; that'll hardly be the case here..
What time do we expect to hear the outcome of the appeal?
The real question about this game is whether Monaghan play at home more often than Dublin.
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 20, 2014, 07:48:49 PM
What time do we expect to hear the outcome of the appeal?
After 9
Toner and donaghy appealing
No issues with fine
Andy I don't believe is appealing
Quote from: armaghniac on June 20, 2014, 07:58:24 PM
The real question about this game is whether Monaghan play at home more often than Dublin.
Jaysus you've a short memory lad as it was your second home for about a decade...
Jaysis, it's good to be away from about them Tyronies.
Well Orchard, we were like 'wee buns' to the Armagh bear for a long while, but the pendulum has swung in our favour the last few encounters.
Interesting that Grimley was widely tipped for the Monaghan job, before MOR came on the scene. He knows the Monaghan veterans well, but will that make any difference?
Armagh will make a real go for it and it can only be a better game than the last Saturday championship night in Clones.
Quote from: babarino on June 20, 2014, 11:01:55 PM
Jaysis, it's good to be away from about them Tyronies.
Yeah, we really twisted your arms... About time you started to look forward, instead of dwelling luxuriantly and indulgently on past 'glories'!
Armagh lads, any word on the appeals? Heard talk of an injury to Caolan Rafferty aswell, any truth in that?
Quote from: babarino on June 20, 2014, 11:01:55 PM
Interesting that Grimley was widely tipped for the Monaghan job, before MOR came on the scene. He knows the Monaghan veterans well, but will that make any difference?
Aye, Grimley will know more about the Monaghan team than most county managers, the Clontibret lads especially, so it will be interesting to see if that will have any bearing.
Rafferty apparently broke his hand. Heard the appeals were supposedly rejected.
Ah shite!! all the appeals failed and probably our most exciting player Caolan Rafferty out injured.
May hope the minors win and await the draw for the back door
Appeals rejected and rafferty out, we have little chance of putting it up to monaghan! Nd hear mcquillan of cavan to ref it, joke, why bother! This stinks as much as derrytresk v dromid few years ago, kick the nordy team nd make sure you weakn them that so much they cant compete!
How the cavan keeper, no6 and no11 got away is beyond a farce! Really think jamie should consider suing the Gaa for failing to protect players welfare ie ref stood back and let a row happen, took no action while he was targetted, and punched and kicked in the head! Then sue that yellow wee whore dunne! Show the whole GAA up to be the biased pricks that they are!
Monaghan are a very good team and with full panel to pick from we could have competed, dont think we'd have beaten, but throw in suspensions, injuries and that clown mcquillan it could be embarrassing!
What would GAA think if armagh played with 15 men inside their own 50 and made it the worst game of football in history, that would impress the Sky viewers, nd hit their pockets!!
Quote from: orange on June 21, 2014, 08:09:48 AM
Appeals rejected and rafferty out, we have little chance of putting it up to monaghan! Nd hear mcquillan of cavan to ref it, joke, why bother! This stinks as much as derrytresk v dromid few years ago, kick the nordy team nd make sure you weakn them that so much they cant compete!
Seriously, throwing in the towel already?! McQuillan is, in my opinion, one of the betters refs around, and - putting aside the integrity of the man for a moment - the idea that a Cavan ref will want to give Monaghan team a handy route to an Ulster final is laughable.
Also, the 'nordy' chip is just a bit cringe-worthy.
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 21, 2014, 10:03:57 AM
Quote from: orange on June 21, 2014, 08:09:48 AM
Appeals rejected and rafferty out, we have little chance of putting it up to monaghan! Nd hear mcquillan of cavan to ref it, joke, why bother! This stinks as much as derrytresk v dromid few years ago, kick the nordy team nd make sure you weakn them that so much they cant compete!
Seriously, throwing in the towel already?! McQuillan is, in my opinion, one of the betters refs around, and - putting aside the integrity of the man for a moment - the idea that a Cavan ref will want to give Monaghan team a handy route to an Ulster final is laughable.
Also, the 'nordy' chip is just a bit cringe-worthy.
Undoubtedly many Armagh supporters do seem to have a chip on their shoulder about this. I like many were at the match and in real time we saw Armagh players standing in line for a parade. The Cavan team on mass then rushed the line. We then see our main player targeted by 3 Cavan players for special treatment. When things settled the parade started and when it broke up the same Armagh player got targeted again by 2 Cavan players. Armagh then get accused of targeting Cavan's star player when he had in fact injured himself targeting Armagh's star player. When the suspensions are announced Armagh get the worst punishment. This does not seem to be justice. In fact in the case of one of the Armagh players suspended video evidence shows him trying to break up the brawl. There will be those who say Armagh started it by standing behind the wrong flag. That is a pathetic excuse and in any case they did not break any rules. Living in a state were for years we were treated as second class citizens we can read a bias into things that may not exist. This may be such a case, but maybe not.
As for McQuillan. I feel that as he has got older his standard of refereeing has declined. I have absolutely no doubt that he will try to be fair in his job. I do, however, feel that he is always very harsh on Jamie. I do not know why.
The GAA I believe will lose out financially on the suspension decisions as many Armagh supporters will now stay away and watch on TV as any chance Armagh had of winning has been seriously diminished. I hope I am wrong and they still come out to support their team.
As for the match. It is reported that Armagh will not appeal further so they can concentrate on the game. That means they will be missing 2 of their best defenders. Toner was also exceptional in midfield against Cavan. If the reports that Caolan Rafferty, our main link player, is also out injured are true we are in severe trouble. We will give Monaghan a game but it is a big ask.
We have Harold and Kernan who are adequate replacements for Toner and Donaghy. Andy Mallon will be very hard to replace but I'm sure Micky Murray or someone else will feel up for it.
Caolan Rafferty is impossible to replace. If he is out it is a huge blow. Would imagine Tony Kernan will come in for him but he is a different type of player. It ruins our gameplan of hugging the touchline to get around the blanket defense.
Quote from: Throw ball on June 21, 2014, 02:12:41 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 21, 2014, 10:03:57 AM
Quote from: orange on June 21, 2014, 08:09:48 AM
Appeals rejected and rafferty out, we have little chance of putting it up to monaghan! Nd hear mcquillan of cavan to ref it, joke, why bother! This stinks as much as derrytresk v dromid few years ago, kick the nordy team nd make sure you weakn them that so much they cant compete!
Seriously, throwing in the towel already?! McQuillan is, in my opinion, one of the betters refs around, and - putting aside the integrity of the man for a moment - the idea that a Cavan ref will want to give Monaghan team a handy route to an Ulster final is laughable.
Also, the 'nordy' chip is just a bit cringe-worthy.
Undoubtedly many Armagh supporters do seem to have a chip on their shoulder about this. I like many were at the match and in real time we saw Armagh players standing in line for a parade. The Cavan team on mass then rushed the line. We then see our main player targeted by 3 Cavan players for special treatment. When things settled the parade started and when it broke up the same Armagh player got targeted again by 2 Cavan players. Armagh then get accused of targeting Cavan's star player when he had in fact injured himself targeting Armagh's star player. When the suspensions are announced Armagh get the worst punishment. This does not seem to be justice. In fact in the case of one of the Armagh players suspended video evidence shows him trying to break up the brawl. There will be those who say Armagh started it by standing behind the wrong flag. That is a pathetic excuse and in any case they did not break any rules. Living in a state were for years we were treated as second class citizens we can read a bias into things that may not exist. This may be such a case, but maybe not.
As for McQuillan. I feel that as he has got older his standard of refereeing has declined. I have absolutely no doubt that he will try to be fair in his job. I do, however, feel that he is always very harsh on Jamie. I do not know why.
The GAA I believe will lose out financially on the suspension decisions as many Armagh supporters will now stay away and watch on TV as any chance Armagh had of winning has been seriously diminished. I hope I am wrong and they still come out to support their team.
As for the match. It is reported that Armagh will not appeal further so they can concentrate on the game. That means they will be missing 2 of their best defenders. Toner was also exceptional in midfield against Cavan. If the reports that Caolan Rafferty, our main link player, is also out injured are true we are in severe trouble. We will give Monaghan a game but it is a big ask.
Well they'll only be watching it on TV if they're subscribed to Sky.
Perhaps the entire thrust of the dodgy approach to discipline here is to get more people to subscribe to Sky.
Enough about suspensions etc.. Time to talk about the football. Does anyone thing Armagh have a chance? Big game for a number of young players. My heart says Armagh , my head says Monaghan by 5.
Has that w**ker Paddy Heaney apologised yet for the comments about that yellow wee shite Dunne being targeted. I have stopped buying the Irish News with that type of gutter journalism.
Does anyone know if there is any disabled parking in Clones?
Quote from: Zip Code on June 21, 2014, 07:25:51 PM
Has that w**ker Paddy Heaney apologised yet for the comments about that yellow wee shite Dunne being targeted. I have stopped buying the Irish News with that type of gutter journalism.
Big fellow you are , you wouldn't say it to his face he'd knock the shite outta ya ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Zip Code on June 22, 2014, 08:22:42 AM
Does anyone know if there is any disabled parking in Clones?
I think you can get a pass for behind the Gerry Arthur's Stand but you have to arrange it in advance - give the Ulster Council a buzz tomorrow, probably your best bet.
Armagh getting excuses in early.
Quote from: rrhf on June 22, 2014, 10:21:27 AM
Armagh getting excuses in early.
Possibly...but there is no doubt that Armagh people feel very hard done by over this Cavan game and their suspensions and I have to agree with them, how the hell them lads were picked out from a 30 man shoving session is beyond me but they managed it none the less. I have no doubt that any supporter of their county team would feel the same if it was their players and team getting punished they way Armagh have!!! That all aside I have no problem with Joe refeering our game nor have I a problem with any ref, yes I agree in one or two games JC had to work harder than most to win a free from Joe but maybe that could be us with orange tinted glasses on...I dunno.
The injury to C Rafferty is a blow but these things happen in contact sport and we just have to get on with it, one mans loss is another's opportunity (in our case 4...lol). Anyway it will still be15 against 15 and we have a chance alright, one thing I've learnt over the years is not to write Armagh off and this whole episode can really galvanise us for this game and hope Monaghan think they're already in an Ulster final, anyway I'll still be at the game no matter what and Sky can feck off with their coverage. If any Monaghan lads want a pint before but preferably after the game...mines a Guinness (don't normally take a beer before a game)
Quote from: illdecide on June 22, 2014, 11:07:51 AM
Quote from: rrhf on June 22, 2014, 10:21:27 AM
Armagh getting excuses in early.
anyway I'll still be at the game no matter what and Sky can feck off with their coverage. If any Monaghan lads want a pint before but preferably after the game...mines a Guinness (don't normally take a beer before a game)
There's a few mixed message there illdecide,
normally you wouldn't drink before a game but this time you will?
You're inviting Monaghan lads to join you before and after the game but you want them to buy you the pints?
Quote from: Throw ball on June 21, 2014, 06:10:08 PM
Enough about suspensions etc.. Time to talk about the football. Does anyone thing Armagh have a chance? Big game for a number of young players. My heart says Armagh , my head says Monaghan by 5.
Can't see it myself. Monaghan are physically stronger and play a hard tackling defensive game with some good individual players like Wylie, Hughes*2, Walsh and McManus. I think they are a top 6 team at present. The feel good factor Armagh had after the Cavan match has been dismissed after the unfair suspensions doled out by the GAA in order to pander to the moral highgrounders in the media. Monaghan by 8.
Quote from: Zip Code on June 21, 2014, 07:25:51 PM
Has that w**ker Paddy Heaney apologised yet for the comments about that yellow wee shite Dunne being targeted. I have stopped buying the Irish News with that type of gutter journalism.
Slightly OTT. I think Heaney is a good journalist but like most journalists he also has his agendas. Because of Armaghs dispute with the Irish News they have been portrayed as the instigators of the fracas before the Cavan game. Heaneys reporting of the reasons for Dunnes non appearance was misleading at best and vindictive at worst. The GAA are more concerned with 'being seen to do the right thing' rather than actually doing the right thing. They basically wait on the media reaction and after a few days react according to the level of outcry.
If I was to look at all factors. I would be wondering was this a tactic by cavan which went v badly wrong for them. If it had happened in Tyrone I would want Tyrone to get layered in to them.
Quote from: Main Street on June 22, 2014, 12:34:44 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 22, 2014, 11:07:51 AM
Quote from: rrhf on June 22, 2014, 10:21:27 AM
Armagh getting excuses in early.
anyway I'll still be at the game no matter what and Sky can feck off with their coverage. If any Monaghan lads want a pint before but preferably after the game...mines a Guinness (don't normally take a beer before a game)
There's a few mixed message there illdecide,
normally you wouldn't drink before a game but this time you will?
You're inviting Monaghan lads to join you before and after the game but you want them to buy you the pints?
If I am not mistaken Illdecide is from the Clann na Gael club in Lurgan. They play in the same colours as Cavan. Maybe he has taken a few of the Cavan men's famous traits as well. ;D
Quote from: yellowcard on June 22, 2014, 01:41:41 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on June 21, 2014, 07:25:51 PM
Has that w**ker Paddy Heaney apologised yet for the comments about that yellow wee shite Dunne being targeted. I have stopped buying the Irish News with that type of gutter journalism.
Slightly OTT. I think Heaney is a good journalist but like most journalists he also has his agendas. Because of Armaghs dispute with the Irish News they have been portrayed as the instigators of the fracas before the Cavan game. Heaneys reporting of the reasons for Dunnes non appearance was misleading at best and vindictive at worst. The GAA are more concerned with 'being seen to do the right thing' rather than actually doing the right thing. They basically wait on the media reaction and after a few days react according to the level of outcry.
That is hugely debatable, I think he could do good writing for a crap rag like the Sun.
Heaney is a wannabe brolly, tries to be controversial for attention, never lets the facts get in the way of gutter trash!
Anyway, after watching donegal today, monaghan wud beat them if they play like that in the 1st half again, for Armagh to beat them they wud have to play like that for 70mins!
Quote from: Throw ball on June 22, 2014, 02:52:13 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 22, 2014, 12:34:44 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 22, 2014, 11:07:51 AM
Quote from: rrhf on June 22, 2014, 10:21:27 AM
Armagh getting excuses in early.
anyway I'll still be at the game no matter what and Sky can feck off with their coverage. If any Monaghan lads want a pint before but preferably after the game...mines a Guinness (don't normally take a beer before a game)
There's a few mixed message there illdecide,
normally you wouldn't drink before a game but this time you will?
You're inviting Monaghan lads to join you before and after the game but you want them to buy you the pints?
If I am not mistaken Illdecide is from the Clann na Gael club in Lurgan. They play in the same colours as Cavan. Maybe he has taken a few of the Cavan men's famous traits a. ;D
Easy you. Control yourself.
Main Street there are always mixed messages in my posts as I can't make up my mind. But what I'm trying to say is I'll meet up for a pint but I'd prefer it was after the game as I normally go to the games with no alcohol consumed... And yes get your Euro's out as I believe it is your round ;-)
I think the doom and gloom of the Armagh supports is largely ignoring that they are all forgetting Monaghan are capable of some indifferent performances. I don't have rose coloured glasses on when it comes to Monaghan's performances - they has been some great play over the past few months but some sloppy patchy play too. Monaghan's league games against Laois and Galway showed Monaghan can be disjointed (though in mitigation Monaghan were more or less secure of a league final place by that stage so motivation may not have been as strong as normal).
The league game between the teams is a point in case. Monaghan raced ahead, before Armagh woke up and reined them in. A missed J Clarke penalty and a sending off gave Monaghan the scare they needed to run out comfortable winners. Armagh will be fired up for sure and if Monaghan are in any way complacent we'll be beaten. I see no more than a point or two in this game. It will be closer to Monaghan's displays against Cavan and Antrim in last year's Ulster championship.
Tactically O'Rourke may change is game plan for the Armagh game - horses for courses and all that. Will Armagh adopt the same tactics as against Cavan?
What tactics were they, defend themselves and get demonised in the media for doing so and 3 of their best players suspended?
Quote from: Zip Code on June 23, 2014, 11:43:36 AM
What tactics were they, defend themselves and get demonised in the media for doing so and 3 of their best players suspended?
SHOCKING DECISION BY CROKE PARK TO DOWNGRADE THE charges to "rough play" but to uphold the bans.
I saw the footage and any one of at least 10 players between the sides could be said to have been involved in rough play.
Dangerous game for Monaghan. Monaghan of old, always had a good game in them, sometimes very good. But they couldn't string these games together. Monaghan of new, have a bad or poor game in them. In the last years though, they are getting fewer and they even manage to win some of these. Its a game that can occur at any stage.
Armagh are in a dangerous position, they have absolutely nothing to lose. They've had a comfortable first round win but been hit by losing 3, maybe 4 of those starters. They'll feel hard done by, cheated even and that can serve as serious motivation. They'll circle the wagons and have a "us V the world" attitude. They have a leader in McKeever who, despite his knockers, can hold a team together from centre half back and drive a team forward. He'll likely have Aaron Kernan in beside him from the start. Then they have a match winner in Jamie Clarke, who have taken plenty of handling.
The league game will have little bearing. Long time ago, Armagh weakened on the day and different mindset.
You'd hope O'Rourke won't let complacency set in, can't see it myself but if its there, we'll not be long seeing it come Saturday and when a game starts its hard to get it out of the system.
Monaghan should really benefit from the Tyrone game - up to match pace, McManus a bit stronger, debutants have a game under belt. Plus its in Clones again.
I'd fear Armagh pulling out a big big performance and catching Monaghan cold. I'd fear that but don't think it will happen. O'Rourke seems to get it right more than wrong, so he'll have them ready and Monaghan will eventually pull away to win by 3/4 points in a good tight game. Monaghan have about 3 players that could pick up Clarke if needed and if they can be disciplined and restrict frees in scoring positions they'll make it easier on themselves.
Quote from: Sleater on June 23, 2014, 10:34:58 AM
I think the doom and gloom of the Armagh supports is largely ignoring that they are all forgetting Monaghan are capable of some indifferent performances. I don't have rose coloured glasses on when it comes to Monaghan's performances - they has been some great play over the past few months but some sloppy patchy play too. Monaghan's league games against Laois and Galway showed Monaghan can be disjointed (though in mitigation Monaghan were more or less secure of a league final place by that stage so motivation may not have been as strong as normal).
The league game between the teams is a point in case. Monaghan raced ahead, before Armagh woke up and reined them in. A missed J Clarke penalty and a sending off gave Monaghan the scare they needed to run out comfortable winners. Armagh will be fired up for sure and if Monaghan are in any way complacent we'll be beaten. I see no more than a point or two in this game. It will be closer to Monaghan's displays against Cavan and Antrim in last year's Ulster championship.
Tactically O'Rourke may change is game plan for the Armagh game - horses for courses and all that. Will Armagh adopt the same tactics as against Cavan?
Emmm, can we have one of those Sunday? Please?
The doom and gloom from Armagh supporters is coming from the fact that this team has yet to prove themselves. Monaghan are a team much further down the road in terms of development both as a unit and in players' physical development. We haven't had a full team out on the field this year to see exactly where we are and Saturday evening won't be any different. Monaghan were easily the best team we played in the league (better than Donegal IMO). The league game was a mirror image of our season to date, mixing the good with the very bad.
Bingo is right in that I'd imagine the poor treatment received both by the media and Croke Park after the Cavan game must galvanise the team. No better man than McGeeney to foster the siege mentality.
Personally I wouldn't read too much into beating Cavan as they were atrociously poor on the day but there were some encouraging signs. We defended well and in numbers and we didn't continually kick the ball into Clarke no matter how many men he had hanging off him and this must continue on Saturday evening.
I'd say we'll get a much better return out of Stefan Campbell who had a poor showing vs Cavan but was our most consistent performer in the league. The return of AK counterbalances the loss of Donaghy, Toner can be replaced by Harold who was unlucky to not to get a start vs Cavan but the loss of Andy Mallon and Caolan Rafferty is huge.
Quote from: Orior on June 23, 2014, 03:27:45 PM
Quote from: Sleater on June 23, 2014, 10:34:58 AM
I think the doom and gloom of the Armagh supports is largely ignoring that they are all forgetting Monaghan are capable of some indifferent performances. I don't have rose coloured glasses on when it comes to Monaghan's performances - they has been some great play over the past few months but some sloppy patchy play too. Monaghan's league games against Laois and Galway showed Monaghan can be disjointed (though in mitigation Monaghan were more or less secure of a league final place by that stage so motivation may not have been as strong as normal).
The league game between the teams is a point in case. Monaghan raced ahead, before Armagh woke up and reined them in. A missed J Clarke penalty and a sending off gave Monaghan the scare they needed to run out comfortable winners. Armagh will be fired up for sure and if Monaghan are in any way complacent we'll be beaten. I see no more than a point or two in this game. It will be closer to Monaghan's displays against Cavan and Antrim in last year's Ulster championship.
Tactically O'Rourke may change is game plan for the Armagh game - horses for courses and all that. Will Armagh adopt the same tactics as against Cavan?
Emmm, can we have one of those Sunday? Please?
Sure, no problem. Just tell us where and when on Sunday and we'll do our very worse.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 22, 2014, 01:41:41 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on June 21, 2014, 07:25:51 PM
Has that w**ker Paddy Heaney apologised yet for the comments about that yellow wee shite Dunne being targeted. I have stopped buying the Irish News with that type of gutter journalism.
Slightly OTT.
Very much so.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 23, 2014, 04:02:23 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 22, 2014, 01:41:41 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on June 21, 2014, 07:25:51 PM
Has that w**ker Paddy Heaney apologised yet for the comments about that yellow wee shite Dunne being targeted. I have stopped buying the Irish News with that type of gutter journalism.
Slightly OTT.
Very much so.
Heaney is a good journalist and the Irish News has excellent GAA coverage imo. The are fairly far removed from gutter journalism.
the bit in bold is as 'gutter' as it gets ie faceless (cowardly) name calling on a decent message board
Quote from: Sleater on June 23, 2014, 10:34:58 AM
I think the doom and gloom of the Armagh supports is largely ignoring that they are all forgetting Monaghan are capable of some indifferent performances. I don't have rose coloured glasses on when it comes to Monaghan's performances - they has been some great play over the past few months but some sloppy patchy play too. Monaghan's league games against Laois and Galway showed Monaghan can be disjointed (though in mitigation Monaghan were more or less secure of a league final place by that stage so motivation may not have been as strong as normal).
The league game between the teams is a point in case. Monaghan raced ahead, before Armagh woke up and reined them in. A missed J Clarke penalty and a sending off gave Monaghan the scare they needed to run out comfortable winners. Armagh will be fired up for sure and if Monaghan are in any way complacent we'll be beaten. I see no more than a point or two in this game. It will be closer to Monaghan's displays against Cavan and Antrim in last year's Ulster championship.
Tactically O'Rourke may change is game plan for the Armagh game - horses for courses and all that. Will Armagh adopt the same tactics as against Cavan?
Yep, in both the Down and Armagh games we built up a substantial lead and let it slip. We were lucky to get out of Pairc Esler with a point and the game swung back to us in Armagh.
Although Clarke's penalty was saved rather than missed.
Quote from: J OGorman on June 23, 2014, 04:14:05 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 23, 2014, 04:02:23 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 22, 2014, 01:41:41 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on June 21, 2014, 07:25:51 PM
Has that w**ker Paddy Heaney apologised yet for the comments about that yellow wee shite Dunne being targeted. I have stopped buying the Irish News with that type of gutter journalism.
Slightly OTT.
Very much so.
Heaney is a good journalist and the Irish News has excellent GAA coverage imo. The are fairly far removed from gutter journalism.
the bit in bold is as 'gutter' as it gets ie faceless (cowardly) name calling on a decent message board
So has Heaney apologised about the Dunne remarks?
Quote from: Zip Code on June 23, 2014, 08:01:12 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on June 23, 2014, 04:14:05 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 23, 2014, 04:02:23 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 22, 2014, 01:41:41 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on June 21, 2014, 07:25:51 PM
Has that w**ker Paddy Heaney apologised yet for the comments about that yellow wee shite Dunne being targeted. I have stopped buying the Irish News with that type of gutter journalism.
Slightly OTT.
Very much so.
Heaney is a good journalist and the Irish News has excellent GAA coverage imo. The are fairly far removed from gutter journalism.
the bit in bold is as 'gutter' as it gets ie faceless (cowardly) name calling on a decent message board
So has Heaney apologised about the Dunne remarks?
Not very likely.
QuoteHas that w**ker Paddy Heaney apologised yet for the comments about that yellow wee shite Dunne being targeted. I have stopped buying the Irish News with that type of gutter journalism.
Good decision as I expect The Sun would be more up your street.
what stage are the armagh appeals at?
I heard today that they haven't even launched appeals. Surely they are out if time now anyway??
Quote from: LCohen on June 23, 2014, 10:55:05 PM
what stage are the armagh appeals at?
I heard today that they haven't even launched appeals. Surely they are out if time now anyway??
http://www.hoganstand.com/monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=218801
Case might be going to DRA
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 23, 2014, 10:04:10 PM
QuoteHas that w**ker Paddy Heaney apologised yet for the comments about that yellow wee shite Dunne being targeted. I have stopped buying the Irish News with that type of gutter journalism.
Good decision as I expect The Sun would be more up your street.
So Paddy is free to say what he wants without question because ..........................? ::)
Quote from: J OGorman on June 23, 2014, 04:14:05 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 23, 2014, 04:02:23 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 22, 2014, 01:41:41 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on June 21, 2014, 07:25:51 PM
Has that w**ker Paddy Heaney apologised yet for the comments about that yellow wee shite Dunne being targeted. I have stopped buying the Irish News with that type of gutter journalism.
Slightly OTT.
Sorry but Heaney being called a good journalist is jaw dropping stuff. He is a tit.
Very much so.
Heaney is a good journalist and the Irish News has excellent GAA coverage imo. The are fairly far removed from gutter journalism.
the bit in bold is as 'gutter' as it gets ie faceless (cowardly) name calling on a decent message board
Quote from: Zip Code on June 24, 2014, 08:09:39 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 23, 2014, 10:04:10 PM
QuoteHas that w**ker Paddy Heaney apologised yet for the comments about that yellow wee shite Dunne being targeted. I have stopped buying the Irish News with that type of gutter journalism.
Good decision as I expect The Sun would be more up your street.
So Paddy is free to say what he wants without question because ..........................? ::)
Perhaps if you had of used that line of questioning as opposed to your original tirade you would have warranted a reasoned response. I think you need to move on...
Quote from: naka on June 24, 2014, 07:47:33 AM
Case might be going to DRA
Needs to go through spellcheck first !
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 24, 2014, 08:47:10 AM
Quote from: Zip Code on June 24, 2014, 08:09:39 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 23, 2014, 10:04:10 PM
QuoteHas that w**ker Paddy Heaney apologised yet for the comments about that yellow wee shite Dunne being targeted. I have stopped buying the Irish News with that type of gutter journalism.
Good decision as I expect The Sun would be more up your street.
So Paddy is free to say what he wants without question because ..........................? ::)
Perhaps if you had of used that line of questioning as opposed to your original tirade you would have warranted a reasoned response. I think you need to move on...
I stand by what I said, does he stand by what he said about Armagh and Dunne!
I sent an e-mail into Off the Fence the week of the match and it was published. I questioned the fact that he had reported that Martin Dunne had been targeted but he did not take the opportunity to retract it. He said in his reply published in the paper that my accustion was without foundation and asked me to produce evidence of where he had pointed the finger at Armagh. He conveniently ignored the fact that I had pointed to the exact wording of his misplaced accusation in my e-mail into the Irish News. Couldn't be bothered writing back into the paper when they handpicked what part of my e-mail they printed to suit his counter argument.
As I said - a complete w**ker.
Quote from: mackers on June 24, 2014, 12:39:03 PM
I sent an e-mail into Off the Fence the week of the match and it was published....Couldn't be bothered writing back into the paper when they handpicked what part of my e-mail they printed to suit his counter argument.
Off the Fence - Irish News's effort at interactivity, yet the editor gets the last word ::) I came to the same conclusion as yourself, having similar issues with Heaney. Generally the paper has very good Ulster GAA coverage, but I'm happy Heaney doesn't cover Monaghan games any more, with his condescending attitude. Let him stick to the the Derry fanzine columns.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 24, 2014, 12:03:09 AM
Quote from: LCohen on June 23, 2014, 10:55:05 PM
what stage are the armagh appeals at?
I heard today that they haven't even launched appeals. Surely they are out if time now anyway??
http://www.hoganstand.com/monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=218801
That article says the suspension were proposed and then imposed. It makes no mention of an appeal, CCCC or DRA. Does anybody know if Armagh have actually appealed?
Quote from: LCohen on June 24, 2014, 09:26:56 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 24, 2014, 12:03:09 AM
Quote from: LCohen on June 23, 2014, 10:55:05 PM
what stage are the armagh appeals at?
I heard today that they haven't even launched appeals. Surely they are out if time now anyway??
http://www.hoganstand.com/monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=218801
That article says the suspension were proposed and then imposed. It makes no mention of an appeal, CCCC or DRA. Does anybody know if Armagh have actually appealed?
That was the appeal. It says the bans were upheld.
Very quiet in here.
Not normally the case when Armagh are playing. Have they totally circled the wagons and enforced a media/social network lockdown or just afraid to open their mouths?
Can't say I'm comfortable with the silence.
As a matter of interest, what are the Armagh minors like. Didn't expect to be playing them but we've started a good habit of beating Tyrone at that level.
Yes Bingo it it very quiet. I really dunno what to expect from Armagh TBH :-\ On their day they are match for any team but can they pull this out of the bag with 4no key players missing? I doubt it but one thing i've learned over the years is never write Armagh off. Malachy was quoted in the Irish News yesterday of saying Armagh have good replacements for the suspended and injured players and he may be right but what it does do is weakens our bench and if we get injuries or black cards we will be in serious trouble...
Looking forward to the game and hearing the wino's in the beer garden as i walk past and the young ones lying around the street gased out of their heads and throwing up in the streets...NOT.
You can't beat a day out in Clones, taking my father who as been unwell and not made a game in over two years so he's really excited by it have to go early though to get as close to the ground as possible.
The Armagh catatonia has its plusses.
And I suppose we are a bit more relaxed about our ability to turn in a good performance.
Quote from: Bingo on June 25, 2014, 11:12:31 AM
Very quiet in here.
Not normally the case when Armagh are playing. Have they totally circled the wagons and enforced a media/social network lockdown or just afraid to open their mouths?
Can't say I'm comfortable with the silence.
As a matter of interest, what are the Armagh minors like. Didn't expect to be playing them but we've started a good habit of beating Tyrone at that level.
We have very little to say as there is very little confidence given the number of players that we have lost and the fact that Monaghan are clear favourites. I honestly can't see anything other than a Monaghan win. Even is Armagh put out their best A game they are not as battle savvy as the Monaghan lads and they will be able to grind out a result. We have to hope that Morgan and Vernon have the games of their lives if they are marking McManus and Hughes. Slow those two down and the Monaghan scoring chances are reduced significantly but that is easier sad than done.
The minors are handy enough but are really green. They have a fair few under age next year so this is really a bedding year.
Quote from: Zip Code on June 24, 2014, 10:12:04 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 24, 2014, 08:47:10 AM
Quote from: Zip Code on June 24, 2014, 08:09:39 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 23, 2014, 10:04:10 PM
QuoteHas that w**ker Paddy Heaney apologised yet for the comments about that yellow wee shite Dunne being targeted. I have stopped buying the Irish News with that type of gutter journalism.
Good decision as I expect The Sun would be more up your street.
So Paddy is free to say what he wants without question because ..........................? ::)
Perhaps if you had of used that line of questioning as opposed to your original tirade you would have warranted a reasoned response. I think you need to move on...
I stand by what I said, does he stand by what he said about Armagh and Dunne!
As I said, don't expect a rational or reasoned response, based on HOW you said it. Therefore, move on.
Armagh supporters would have a natural level of trepidation about the game given that we haven't been able to put together 2 decent performances against a decent standard of opposition since around about 2005/2006. Since then we've seen some heartening performances (usually the first game of the championship) followed by a clueless one the next day. When you add into the mix 4 starters missing, and other players missing through injury it doesn't bode well. On any level of analysis Monaghan should win this.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 25, 2014, 01:30:07 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on June 24, 2014, 10:12:04 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 24, 2014, 08:47:10 AM
Quote from: Zip Code on June 24, 2014, 08:09:39 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 23, 2014, 10:04:10 PM
QuoteHas that w**ker Paddy Heaney apologised yet for the comments about that yellow wee shite Dunne being targeted. I have stopped buying the Irish News with that type of gutter journalism.
Good decision as I expect The Sun would be more up your street.
So Paddy is free to say what he wants without question because ..........................? ::)
Perhaps if you had of used that line of questioning as opposed to your original tirade you would have warranted a reasoned response. I think you need to move on...
I stand by what I said, does he stand by what he said about Armagh and Dunne!
As I said, don't expect a rational or reasoned response, based on HOW you said it. Therefore, move on.
I said it HOW it was, you are the one who doesn't seem to be able to move on!
Come on Armagh :) :) :) :)
Was there another set of appeals supposed to have taken place with another body last night? I heard something to that effect on the wireless yesterday evening.
Any word?
Not that it matters really as I reckon we'll beat yas anyhow.. Yeeeeeooooowww, figthin talk boi!! :D
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 26, 2014, 10:00:16 AM
Was there another set of appeals supposed to have taken place with another body last night? I heard something to that effect on the wireless yesterday evening.
Any word?
Not that it matters really as I reckon we'll beat yas anyhow.. Yeeeeeooooowww, figthin talk boi!! :D
Thats the stuff...knock it into them arma hoors
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 26, 2014, 10:00:16 AM
Was there another set of appeals supposed to have taken place with another body last night? I heard something to that effect on the wireless yesterday evening.
Any word?
Not that it matters really as I reckon we'll beat yas anyhow.. Yeeeeeooooowww, figthin talk boi!! :D
Yes written appeal last night and DRA on Friday if Armagh fail
The gaa by degrading the charge have strengthened armaghs position because it could be argued that nearly 20 players on the pitch were guilty of rough play .
Quote from: Armamike on June 25, 2014, 06:11:55 PM
Armagh supporters would have a natural level of trepidation about the game given that we haven't been able to put together 2 decent performances against a decent standard of opposition since around about 2005/2006. Since then we've seen some heartening performances (usually the first game of the championship) followed by a clueless one the next day. When you add into the mix 4 starters missing, and other players missing through injury it doesn't bode well. On any level of analysis Monaghan should win this.
Ulster champions in 2008...
I take it we will have to wait then for team news
Is there a seating plan for the Gerry Arthurs stand online anywhere ?
Quote from: lemallon on June 26, 2014, 12:34:06 PM
Is there a seating plan for the Gerry Arthurs stand online anywhere ?
Not that I know of or can find. We had this conversation on the Monaghan/Tyrone thread. Section A is at the 'town end' and Z (or whatever the last section is) is at the Roslea Road end. Row A is at the front i.e. at pitch level.
Right all you Monaghan Boys...how do you fancy your chances against Donegal in the final? Is the final 20th July?
Armagh's Andy Mallon, Brendan Donaghy and Kieran Toner have had their appeals rejected by the CAC.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on June 26, 2014, 04:06:03 PM
Armagh's Andy Mallon, Brendan Donaghy and Kieran Toner have had their appeals rejected by the CAC.
CAIC more like.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 26, 2014, 04:16:09 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on June 26, 2014, 04:06:03 PM
Armagh's Andy Mallon, Brendan Donaghy and Kieran Toner have had their appeals rejected by the CAC.
CAIC more like.
DRA is independent so lets see what they say on friday
Quote from: illdecide on June 26, 2014, 03:47:04 PM
Right all you Monaghan Boys...how do you fancy your chances against Donegal in the final? Is the final 20th July?
There will be very little between the 2 at the end of this one, hopefully Monaghan can come out on top. I for one am very nervous about this game. Games between Armagh and monaghan have always ben close even when Armagh were winning titles for fun.
Quote from: The CloneZone on June 26, 2014, 08:38:40 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 26, 2014, 03:47:04 PM
Right all you Monaghan Boys...how do you fancy your chances against Donegal in the final? Is the final 20th July?
There will be very little between the 2 at the end of this one, hopefully Monaghan can come out on top. I for one am very nervous about this game. Games between Armagh and monaghan have always ben close even when Armagh were winning titles for fun.
Not so CloneZone. I've been to most games against Armagh over the last 20-30 years and yes most have been tight affairs. But we did give them a hammering in Casement Park just a few years ago, (Darren Hughes in goal). I also remember them giving us a serious drubbing in Clones. The previous year we shocked the country by beating them (I think Armagh were reigning All Ireland champions).
Monaghan team for Saturday
1 Rory Beggan/Ruairí Ó Beagáin -An Bhoth
2 Kieran Duffy/Ciáran Ó Dufaigh -Leachtain
3 Drew Wylie/Aindreas Wylie- Béal Átha Beithe
4 Colin Walshe/Coilín Breathnach- Dubhamlacht
5 Dessie Mone/Deasún Mocháin- Cluain Tiobraid
6 Vinny Corey/Uinseann Ó Comhraí-Cluain Tiobraid
7 Fintan Kelly/Fionáin Ó Ceallaigh - Cluain Eois
8 Dick Clerkin/Risteard Ó Cléirchín - Curraichín
9 Darren Hughes/Darren Ó hAodha - An Bhoth
10 Ryan Wylie/Riain Wylie - Béal Átha Beithe
11 Chris Mc Guinness/Croistár Mag Aonghusa - Béal Átha Beithe
12 Paudie Mc Kenna/Padraig Mac Cionnaoith - Gaeil Triucha
13 Dermot Malone/Diarmaid Ó Maoileain - Fag An Bealach
14 Kieran Hughes/Ciarán Ó hAodha - An Bhoth
15 Conor McManus/Conchur Mac Maghnúis - Cluain Tiobraid
Monaghan bench on Saturday
6 Gerard Mc Caffrey/Gearoid Mac Gafraidh - Scairbh Na gCaorach
17 Conor Boyle/Conchúr Ó Baoil -Cluain Tiobraid
18 Conor Galligan/Conchúr Ó Gealagáin -Cláirsigh Mhuineacháin
19 Karl O'Connell/Carl Ó Conaill - Tigh Thalainn
20 Gavin Doogan/Gabhán Ó Duagáin - Machaire Cluain
21 Paul Finlay/Pól Ó Fionnlaigh - Béal Átha Beithe
22 Stephen Gollogly/Stíofán Mac an Ghallóglaigh - Carraig Mhacaire Rois
23 Thomas Kerr/Tómas Mac Giolla Cearra - Beal Átha Beithe
24 Padraig Donaghy/Pádraig Mac Donnchaidh - Domhnach Maighean
25 Jack Mc Carron/Séan Mac Cearáin - Curraichín
26 Owen Duffy/Eoin Ó Dufaigh - Leachtain
Any word on Lennon and Doogan? How come Finlay isn't starting at the minute? Good to have the likes of him and Gollogly to call on during the game, but I'm not sure McGuinness deserves to start ahead of them, based on the last day's performance.
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 26, 2014, 10:05:52 PM
Any word on Lennon and Doogan? How come Finlay isn't starting at the minute? Good to have the likes of him and Gollogly to call on during the game, but I'm not sure McGuinness deserves to start ahead of them, based on the last day's performance.
I've heard that Lennon's injury has him out till the end of July. I'd say Doogan lost out because Clerkin showed such form against Tyrone. McGuinness gets the start to keep his confindence intact - good management - to drop him would have been a big setback for the lad. He has shown he's a decent player and now has a chance to redeem himself. We should see McCarron or Gallogly feature at some stage. I wouldn't be very surprised if Finlay starts at half forward.
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 26, 2014, 11:19:24 AM
Quote from: Armamike on June 25, 2014, 06:11:55 PM
Armagh supporters would have a natural level of trepidation about the game given that we haven't been able to put together 2 decent performances against a decent standard of opposition since around about 2005/2006. Since then we've seen some heartening performances (usually the first game of the championship) followed by a clueless one the next day. When you add into the mix 4 starters missing, and other players missing through injury it doesn't bode well. On any level of analysis Monaghan should win this.
Ulster champions in 2008...
Yes, but i said against a decent standard of opposition. Armagh did not beat any sides of decent quality that year- far as i remember they were all division 3 sides at each stage, and got knocked out by a division 3 side in the qfinal.
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 26, 2014, 10:05:52 PM
Any word on Lennon and Doogan? How come Finlay isn't starting at the minute? Good to have the likes of him and Gollogly to call on during the game, but I'm not sure McGuinness deserves to start ahead of them, based on the last day's performance.
The biggest surprise will be if they actually line out like that. Normally O'Rourke makes 2 to 3 changes to the team sent to the media.
Quote from: babarino on June 26, 2014, 10:18:57 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 26, 2014, 10:05:52 PM
Any word on Lennon and Doogan? How come Finlay isn't starting at the minute? Good to have the likes of him and Gollogly to call on during the game, but I'm not sure McGuinness deserves to start ahead of them, based on the last day's performance.
I've heard that Lennon's injury has him out till the end of July. I'd say Doogan lost out because Clerkin showed such form against Tyrone. McGuinness gets the start to keep his confindence intact - good management - to drop him would have been a big setback for the lad. He has shown he's a decent player and now has a chance to redeem himself. We should see McCarron or Gallogly feature at some stage. I wouldn't be very surprised if Finlay starts at half forward.
I was chatting a lad from Latton the last day who said something similar re Lennon. Re Finlay, in place of McKenna or Wylie? MOR seems to have a lot of confidence in McKenna and I believe Wylie should be given another chance on merit. Perhaps Finlay is to be the 'super sub'?
With no lennon has Finlay become the cover for midfield. Doogan will hardly be thrown on this weekend
For those who cannot attend, is this match only available on Sky?
Quote from: Orior on June 27, 2014, 10:11:29 AM
For those who cannot attend, is this match only available on Sky?
Correct.
And BBC?
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 27, 2014, 08:41:05 AM
Quote from: babarino on June 26, 2014, 10:18:57 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 26, 2014, 10:05:52 PM
Any word on Lennon and Doogan? How come Finlay isn't starting at the minute? Good to have the likes of him and Gollogly to call on during the game, but I'm not sure McGuinness deserves to start ahead of them, based on the last day's performance.
I've heard that Lennon's injury has him out till the end of July. I'd say Doogan lost out because Clerkin showed such form against Tyrone. McGuinness gets the start to keep his confindence intact - good management - to drop him would have been a big setback for the lad. He has shown he's a decent player and now has a chance to redeem himself. We should see McCarron or Gallogly feature at some stage. I wouldn't be very surprised if Finlay starts at half forward.
I was chatting a lad from Latton the last day who said something similar re Lennon. Re Finlay, in place of McKenna or Wylie? MOR seems to have a lot of confidence in McKenna and I believe Wylie should be given another chance on merit. Perhaps Finlay is to be the 'super sub'?
I've heard it said that O'Rourke doesn't like to start with Finlay because he doesn't do the hard work that he wants from his half-forward line, and instead he brings him on in the second half when the game has opened up a bit and he can spread the ball around. He would be a better scoring option from half-forward but it's true that he wouldn't be as mobile or as much a "worker" as those named to start there. He could well start anyway though, Malachy probably adopts a horses for courses approach with each game.
I wouldn't mind McCarron being given a shot though, he was impressive in the regular league games but hasn't featured much since. It mightn't be good for his confidence, but based on the last day McGuinness doesn't deserve to start again here. Now that we have options we should use them. I'd love to see a full-forward line of McCarron, Hughes and McManus to see how it does, but I doubt we will see it considering the way we play.
Quote from: Schkite on June 27, 2014, 11:41:51 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 27, 2014, 08:41:05 AM
Quote from: babarino on June 26, 2014, 10:18:57 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 26, 2014, 10:05:52 PM
Any word on Lennon and Doogan? How come Finlay isn't starting at the minute? Good to have the likes of him and Gollogly to call on during the game, but I'm not sure McGuinness deserves to start ahead of them, based on the last day's performance.
I've heard that Lennon's injury has him out till the end of July. I'd say Doogan lost out because Clerkin showed such form against Tyrone. McGuinness gets the start to keep his confindence intact - good management - to drop him would have been a big setback for the lad. He has shown he's a decent player and now has a chance to redeem himself. We should see McCarron or Gallogly feature at some stage. I wouldn't be very surprised if Finlay starts at half forward.
I was chatting a lad from Latton the last day who said something similar re Lennon. Re Finlay, in place of McKenna or Wylie? MOR seems to have a lot of confidence in McKenna and I believe Wylie should be given another chance on merit. Perhaps Finlay is to be the 'super sub'?
I've heard it said that O'Rourke doesn't like to start with Finlay because he doesn't do the hard work that he wants from his half-forward line, and instead he brings him on in the second half when the game has opened up a bit and he can spread the ball around. He would be a better scoring option from half-forward but it's true that he wouldn't be as mobile or as much a "worker" as those named to start there. He could well start anyway though, Malachy probably adopts a horses for courses approach with each game.
I wouldn't mind McCarron being given a shot though, he was impressive in the regular league games but hasn't featured much since. It mightn't be good for his confidence, but based on the last day McGuinness doesn't deserve to start again here. Now that we have options we should use them. I'd love to see a full-forward line of McCarron, Hughes and McManus to see how it does, but I doubt we will see it considering the way we play.
I agree, it's the style of play that is preventing McCarron in my opinion. Malone is lined out in the corner to play as a 'worker' out round the middle. McCarron is a class act in my opinion and is a great finisher but he does not posses this 'worker' quality, or at least to a lesser degree compared to Malone; therefore Malone gets the nod based on our style of play. McCarron is an orthodox forward i.e. put the ball in in front of him and he'll win it and instinctively head for goal. The problem (though I doubt it is a problem really..) is that we have McManus and Hughes who serve this function also, with added aerial ability.. No modern team deploys a system of three ball winning full forwards in my opinion; one is most likely brought out to both work around the midlde third and open up space in the inside forward area for the other two ball winners to operate.
Like Finlay though, if the game opens up in the third quarter (which is where the winning of the game occurs, according to Danny Hughes in today's Irish News :)) then having McCarron and Finlay on the bench is a good position to be in.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/28019225
So that's that then. At least it allows the team to focus on the game. I always reckon these things must be a serious distraction for a squad so soon before a big game, irrespective of what spin managers/PROs put on it..
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 27, 2014, 01:28:27 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/28019225
So that's that then. At least it allows the team to focus on the game. I always reckon these things must be a serious distraction for a squad so soon before a big game, irrespective of what spin managers/PROs put on it..
Are they not up in front of DRA tonight?
Quote from: Boycey on June 27, 2014, 01:34:07 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 27, 2014, 01:28:27 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/28019225
So that's that then. At least it allows the team to focus on the game. I always reckon these things must be a serious distraction for a squad so soon before a big game, irrespective of what spin managers/PROs put on it..
Are they not up in front of DRA tonight?
You're right, I since found this and came back to modify my post before it was picked up, but I was obviously too late: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/last-throw-of-the-dice-for-armagh-trio-donaghy-toner-and-mallon-30388067.html
:)
I have to say I've always thought it a farce that there are potentially three different processes to go through before a suspension is confrimed.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 27, 2014, 01:23:16 PM
Quote from: Schkite on June 27, 2014, 11:41:51 AM
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Quote from: babarino on June 26, 2014, 10:18:57 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 26, 2014, 10:05:52 PM
Any word on Lennon and Doogan? How come Finlay isn't starting at the minute? Good to have the likes of him and Gollogly to call on during the game, but I'm not sure McGuinness deserves to start ahead of them, based on the last day's performance.
I've heard that Lennon's injury has him out till the end of July. I'd say Doogan lost out because Clerkin showed such form against Tyrone. McGuinness gets the start to keep his confindence intact - good management - to drop him would have been a big setback for the lad. He has shown he's a decent player and now has a chance to redeem himself. We should see McCarron or Gallogly feature at some stage. I wouldn't be very surprised if Finlay starts at half forward.
I was chatting a lad from Latton the last day who said something similar re Lennon. Re Finlay, in place of McKenna or Wylie? MOR seems to have a lot of confidence in McKenna and I believe Wylie should be given another chance on merit. Perhaps Finlay is to be the 'super sub'?
I've heard it said that O'Rourke doesn't like to start with Finlay because he doesn't do the hard work that he wants from his half-forward line, and instead he brings him on in the second half when the game has opened up a bit and he can spread the ball around. He would be a better scoring option from half-forward but it's true that he wouldn't be as mobile or as much a "worker" as those named to start there. He could well start anyway though, Malachy probably adopts a horses for courses approach with each game.
I wouldn't mind McCarron being given a shot though, he was impressive in the regular league games but hasn't featured much since. It mightn't be good for his confidence, but based on the last day McGuinness doesn't deserve to start again here. Now that we have options we should use them. I'd love to see a full-forward line of McCarron, Hughes and McManus to see how it does, but I doubt we will see it considering the way we play.
I agree, it's the style of play that is preventing McCarron in my opinion. Malone is lined out in the corner to play as a 'worker' out round the middle. McCarron is a class act in my opinion and is a great finisher but he does not posses this 'worker' quality, or at least to a lesser degree compared to Malone; therefore Malone gets the nod based on our style of play. McCarron is an orthodox forward i.e. put the ball in in front of him and he'll win it and instinctively head for goal. The problem (though I doubt it is a problem really..) is that we have McManus and Hughes who serve this function also, with added aerial ability.. No modern team deploys a system of three ball winning full forwards in my opinion; one is most likely brought out to both work around the midlde third and open up space in the inside forward area for the other two ball winners to operate.
Like Finlay though, if the game opens up in the third quarter (which is where the winning of the game occurs, according to Danny Hughes in today's Irish News :)) then having McCarron and Finlay on the bench is a good position to be in.
Yeah it's definitely good to have options like that to come off the bench to change things if needed, that's where we failed badly in past years. It seems like the only way McCarron would start in the current system is if Hughes came out the field a bit, as he would be the most adaptable to come out and could do well in a different position. But that would be crazy given the good partnership he's struck up with Conor and he's a great option to let the ball in quick, he gives any full-back their fill of it. Still though, if the game allowed it I'd like to see McCarron brought in a bit earlier on Saturday, I'd say he's seen less than 10 minutes of game time between the Donegal and Tyrone games, which is strange considering the amount he played in the league previous to the final.
Mc Carron did play some games this year at half forward and i thought he was very impressive in this position. His passing into the full forward line was excellant.
Personally I wouldn't be satarting Chris Mc Guinness, I think he is a great player but his best matches are when he comes on as sub. Dont know the stats but he is nearly always worth a score or 2 when he comes on as a sub.
As for Finlay I think the role Malachy has given him is really working out. He is coming into games at crucial times with fresh legs. He has been the difference in winning and losing in so many games this year. ( who could forget that point against Laois)
Tomorrows game would really suit the likes of Gollogly and I feel he should be getting a start. May not have the best scoring record but the amount of possession he wins would be crucial in a close tight game like tomorrows.
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If you give me a free bet on the game I'd bet on Monaghan but my heart says Armagh 2-10 Monaghan 1-12.
Quote from: illdecide on June 28, 2014, 11:53:25 AM
If you give me a free bet on the game I'd bet on Monaghan but my heart says Armagh 2-10 Monaghan 1-12.
Given that Monaghan conceded a total of 3 goals during their 7 league games and Tyrone didn't get a shot on goal, I'd be disappointed if the defence let 2 in this evening.
Did Armagh go to the DRA yesterday?
Link to the match
http://cricfree.eu/sky-sports-3-live-stream-uk.php
Manure. It is just a fuckin nonsense what ye call football up the road, I don't give two hoots how many all Ireland's ulster has won in recent times , it is just pure shite to watch.
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on June 28, 2014, 07:41:19 PM
Link to the match
http://cricfree.eu/sky-sports-3-live-stream-uk.php
Cheers ;)
The referees' black card slapstick continues to have us rolling in the aisles. Which of the very clearly defined black card fouls was that? Maybe he cursed at yer man as he felled him?
Quote from: larryin89 on June 28, 2014, 07:43:34 PM
Manure. It is just a fuckin nonsense what ye call football up the road, I don't give two hoots how many all Ireland's ulster has won in recent times , it is just pure shite to watch.
Dunno, I'm quite enjoying this - not a classic but a good competitive physical encounter.
QuoteThe referees' black card slapstick continues to have us rolling in the aisles. Which of the very clearly defined black card fouls was that? Maybe he cursed at yer man as he felled him?
Yeah, I don't know how that was deemed a black.
Soft enough free to put Monaghan 2 ahead.
Quote from: Hardy on June 28, 2014, 08:11:47 PM
The referees' black card slapstick continues to have us rolling in the aisles. Which of the very clearly defined black card fouls was that? Maybe he cursed at yer man as he felled him?
very very harsh black card.
the fiasco continues
Great call there by Joe at the end of the game. Quality ;D
Score?
14 each replay next week.
Ulster council are raking it in.
Maybe they might play the replay at a neutral venue or will Monaghan get 4 home games to win Ulster?
There was a foul on Darren Hughes making a brilliant run through the heart of the Armagh defence with ten minutes to go that was more of a black card, and surely that's what it's for
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 28, 2014, 08:42:47 PM
Maybe they might play the replay at a neutral venue or will Monaghan get 4 home games to win Ulster?
could they not play it at the athletic grounds?
That would only be fair.
Well done Armagh.
Quote from: Any craic on June 28, 2014, 08:43:19 PM
There was a foul on Darren Hughes making a brilliant run through the heart of the Armagh defence with ten minutes to go that was more of a black card, and surely that's what it's for
I want to see it again to make sure but on first look Clerkin took an Armagh player out with no intention of playing the ball
Ulster Semi finals and Finals are always in Clones, not going to change because it's Monaghan.
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 28, 2014, 08:49:07 PM
Ulster Semi finals and Finals are always in Clones, not going to change because it's Monaghan.
Are you sure?
I remember Tyrone playing Antrim in 2003 in Casement. I think that was a SF.
11 years ago?
Anyways its confirmed for Clones again
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 28, 2014, 08:53:55 PM
11 years ago?
Anyways its confirmed for Clones again
are monaghan the new Dublin? every game at home.
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 28, 2014, 08:58:27 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 28, 2014, 08:53:55 PM
11 years ago?
Anyways its confirmed for Clones again
are monaghan the new Dublin? every game at home.
Yes and it is very unfair on their opponents just like it is for Dublin's opponents
It's confirmd for Sunday July 6th,time to be confirmed. Armagh will have Anday Mallon, Toner, and Donaghy back for that game.
Can't gauge the quality of the Armagh performance since I didn't see it but instead listened to the Monaghan commentary. Three points down with only minutes left, I can't believe we progged a draw, but glad as I am I still don't relish a return to Clones next week. Still, late sub Grugan's poise in kicking that last second free was awesome, especially in light of Rory Beggan's free-taking prowess for Monaghan. Can't believe we got the ball into J Clarke's hands as often as we did. Frankly thought we'd be run off the field, so a good result. Keen to hear the opinions of those who watched the game. Fair play to the Minors too.
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 28, 2014, 08:49:07 PM
Ulster Semi finals and Finals are always in Clones, not going to change because it's Monaghan.
Not true we played down in ulster semi final in Cavan just last year.
Well done Armagh.
It was kind of lucky that we got Carragher black carded. He did little and his replacement Tony Kernan was immense
Both teams were pretty even today from general play. McEvoy had a mixed bag in terms of kickouts and I don't think he had a save to make the whole game. The Armagh FF line played well, Kyle was doing well till he got the black card. No issue about it, text book one. McManus was a borderline one but probably would err on the players side that there was no intent in what he did. I thought that up to then Morgan and Vernon were doing well. When McManus went off Kieran Hughes lifted his game and gave Vernon a lot more problems. Moriarty was quietly effective. Armagh HB line were excellent throughout. McKeever really took the game to them as did Shields. AK had a bit more of a controlled game but still covered a lot of ground. We were beaten in MF for most of the game but did pick up a lot of loose ball. Harold did well when he came on and with Toner back I would start the 2 of them in the MF next day out.
I was surprised that Aidan Forker would start but I heard that he was starting during the week. He got a lot of ball in the first half but his shot selection was poor. He needs to show more composure like the brother did in the second half. Dyas I thought was quiet in the first half but really opened up well in the second half. Every ball he used well and got a lovely point. Got himself regularly into very good positions. McVerry worked very hard and was decent. TK was key to the way we played when he came on. He did miss a few chances but he dictated the tempo of the attacks with clever running and accurate passing. He will have to start the next day. Soupy also put in a great shift and scored some lovely points and I would start him infront of Ethan Rafferty the next day. Jamie had his best game for a while and led Walshe a merry dance. Everything that went his way he won and he scored 3 and won 2 frees I think that were scored. He won't get the same space next week so he will need more help. The subs contributed very well with TK getting 3 points, Forker 1 and Grugan 1 point and 1 assist from a delicious cross field pass. Grugan is and excellent footballer but I still think he would be better coming off the bench with 2 to go when the game opens out.
Well done Armagh. Just shows yet again what a minefield Ulster is.
Quote from: donegal lad on June 28, 2014, 09:38:17 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 28, 2014, 08:49:07 PM
Ulster Semi finals and Finals are always in Clones, not going to change because it's Monaghan.
Not true we played down in ulster semi final in Cavan just last year.
Is right. It was a rare occurance. Have there many other Ulster Semi games in the last 10 years outside Clones
Its tradition to have most of the big games there anyway
Just back. Great fight in the team tonight and likely the siege mentality brought that out. Great to able to get behind the orange men again in a big game and the players really put a performance in from start to finish.
Bit of quality to come back in for the replay but obviously monaghan are the more experienced team. Irrespective, things are suddenly looking much brighter.
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 28, 2014, 10:03:17 PM
Quote from: donegal lad on June 28, 2014, 09:38:17 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 28, 2014, 08:49:07 PM
Ulster Semi finals and Finals are always in Clones, not going to change because it's Monaghan.
Not true we played down in ulster semi final in Cavan just last year.
Is right. It was a rare occurance. Have there many other Ulster Semi games in the last 10 years outside Clones
Its tradition to have most of the big games there anyway
Down Monaghan in armagh 2 years ago. Plenty of semi finals in casement too.
Fair enough.
Nudie Hughes and co on Northern Sound were going ape shit over the last Armagh free. Any more objective views out there?
It was a definite free, clear pull of the jersey.
Yes - the jersey pull was was a play before the whistle - about 3 seconds earlier. The ref wasn't on camera, but I assume he had his hand up for advantage. When no advantage, he came back for the free.
Quote from: Hardy on June 28, 2014, 11:04:02 PM
Yes - the jersey pull was was a play before the whistle - about 3 seconds earlier. The ref wasn't on camera, but I assume he had his hand up for advantage. When no advantage, he came back for the free.
He had the hand up so it was a clear free with advantage.
Grugan had balls to take it
Was in the mc grane at the top end so didn't see the free but when the ball left grugans boot Iturned to my son and said a few expletives
Couldn't believe the curve on it.
First time in a long while I can say Armagh are moving forwRd with a panel
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 28, 2014, 10:24:58 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 28, 2014, 10:03:17 PM
Quote from: donegal lad on June 28, 2014, 09:38:17 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 28, 2014, 08:49:07 PM
Ulster Semi finals and Finals are always in Clones, not going to change because it's Monaghan.
Not true we played down in ulster semi final in Cavan just last year.
Is right. It was a rare occurance. Have there many other Ulster Semi games in the last 10 years outside Clones
Its tradition to have most of the big games there anyway
Down Monaghan in armagh 2 years ago. Plenty of semi finals in casement too.
We've played a good few semi finals outside Clones in the past few years alright - in Breffni, Armagh and Casement, I'm sure Casement would have had one this year had it been available. Athletic Grounds possibly a bit small for a Monaghan Armagh semi?
Well done armagh, honestly thought monaghan would win handy.
Surely the decision on where the SFs are held are decided by the ulster council which is made up by all 9 counties??
Have no issues with Armagh playing there next week,
I really think we will improve, the team looks to have a nice shape about it with strong players comin back in.
An ulster final is now attainable as is a trip to croker.
Hope we can do it
Quote from: Hardy on June 28, 2014, 11:04:02 PM
Yes - the jersey pull was was a play before the whistle - about 3 seconds earlier. The ref wasn't on camera, but I assume he had his hand up for advantage. When no advantage, he came back for the free.
+1
Wonder what Brolly has to say about Paul Grimley now.
Wasn't short of a word or two this time last year.
Just home and am one proud Armagh man tonight. Great fight from the entire team. Dyas, Campbell, Morgan, Mckeever, Jamie, all made telling contributions. I thought Ethan had one of those games he'd rather forget and Aidan Forker looked rusty. With the 3 lads to come back, big Grimbo will not find it easy picking the starting 15 for the next day.
It was great to be back in Clones but it was definitely a strange feeling being sober!
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 28, 2014, 10:57:37 PM
Nudie Hughes and co on Northern Sound were going ape shit over the last Armagh free. Any more objective views out there?
Nudie wouldn't be biased at all would he ?
As clear a free as you'll see. Blatant pull on the jersey.
Good fighting display by Armagh good value for the draw. Does both sides have to play three weekends in a row now? Well done to the Armagh minors by knocking out the Ulster champions and reaching the Ulster final.
Mixed bag from Monaghan today. Our normally tight marking backs seemed to struggle to stay with the armagh forwards. And the forwards couldn't make room at all. Beggan managed to drag us along. Subs made an impact again but a huge improvement is needed before next weekend. As for having it in clones I'd say a lot of Monaghan people wouldn't mind a spin to somewhere else for the replay. Clones just means no panic on tickets.
Quote from: orangeman on June 29, 2014, 01:14:42 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 28, 2014, 10:57:37 PM
Nudie Hughes and co on Northern Sound were going ape shit over the last Armagh free. Any more objective views out there?
Nudie wouldn't be biased at all would he ?
As clear a free as you'll see. Blatant pull on the jersey.
Was listening to northern sound. The Cavan ref was to blame for everything according to the commentator. Nudie was going on about a dogfight and how Monaghan needed to get out of the kennel.
Clones suits both teams for the replay as it's good preparation for the final
Is BBC showing a highlights show of the drawn game??
Armagh have come a long way since that 5-16 to 0-7 defeat earlier in the year. McGeeney effect?
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 21, 2014, 10:03:57 AM
Quote from: orange on June 21, 2014, 08:09:48 AM
Appeals rejected and rafferty out, we have little chance of putting it up to monaghan! Nd hear mcquillan of cavan to ref it, joke, why bother! This stinks as much as derrytresk v dromid few years ago, kick the nordy team nd make sure you weakn them that so much they cant compete!
Seriously, throwing in the towel already?! McQuillan is, in my opinion, one of the betters refs around, and - putting aside the integrity of the man for a moment - the idea that a Cavan ref will want to give Monaghan team a handy route to an Ulster final is laughable.
Also, the 'nordy' chip is just a bit cringe-worthy.
Well orange? Still have that chip on your shoulder? :P
Quote from: Itchy on June 29, 2014, 09:05:13 AM
Quote from: orangeman on June 29, 2014, 01:14:42 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 28, 2014, 10:57:37 PM
Nudie Hughes and co on Northern Sound were going ape shit over the last Armagh free. Any more objective views out there?
Nudie wouldn't be biased at all would he ?
As clear a free as you'll see. Blatant pull on the jersey.
Was listening to northern sound. The Cavan ref was to blame for everything according to the commentator. Nudie was going on about a dogfight and how Monaghan needed to get out of the kennel.
McQuillan was brutal all over the pitch, I would say Armagh had more complaints about his decisions than Monaghan who got a lot of handy frees imo.
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The physiotherapist from Mayo will be along to comment on your man's arm.
I was standing on the Hill just under the TV cameras and there were 3 Monaghan men I'd say well into their sixties and every time the young lad no5 for their minor team got the ball they were coming out with the most racist and vile stuff I've heard and tbh I don't even think they knew they were being racist they were that ignorant and every other young lad that made a mistake they're saying useless c**t or should have stayed at home to f**k. Then a few Armagh guys stands next to me too for senior game and the shite they came out with to the Ref was unbelievable and cringe worthy stuff (u free state bastid etc)...so I had a rough 3 hours tbh.
As for the game I thought it was exciting but not the best quality, Armagh scoring from play was much better whilst Monaghan relied on Began's free taking (which was brilliant BTW) for Armagh I thought Clarke, Campbell, T Kernan, Days and McKeever were best. With the 3 suspended lads to come back next week and of Course Monaghan believing they can play much better it should be another close hard game...could we get another draw next week;-)
Quote from: illdecide on June 29, 2014, 02:04:41 PM
I was standing on the Hill just under the TV cameras and there were 3 Monaghan men I'd say well into their sixties and every time the young lad no5 for their minor team got the ball they were coming out with the most racist and vile stuff I've heard and tbh I don't even think they knew they were being racist they were that ignorant and every other young lad that made a mistake they're saying useless c**t or should have stayed at home to f**k. Then a few Armagh guys stands next to me too for senior game and the shite they came out with to the Ref was unbelievable and cringe worthy stuff (u free state bastid etc)...so I had a rough 3 hours tbh.
As for the game I thought it was exciting but not the best quality, Armagh scoring from play was much better whilst Monaghan relied on Began's free taking (which was brilliant BTW) for Armagh I thought Clarke, Campbell, T Kernan, Days and McKeever were best. With the 3 suspended lads to come back next week and of Course Monaghan believing they can play much better it should be another close hard game...could we get another draw next week;-)
I can't imagine the Monaghan lads were in a generous mood, queueing up to buy you pints after that.
Overall I thought Armagh were hard done by with some good chances missed and should have won. Monaghan were fortunate to get another chance.
Where/when on the replay?
I just downloaded the game today from sharing irish torrents.
Quote from: Main Street on June 29, 2014, 02:42:17 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 29, 2014, 02:04:41 PM
I was standing on the Hill just under the TV cameras and there were 3 Monaghan men I'd say well into their sixties and every time the young lad no5 for their minor team got the ball they were coming out with the most racist and vile stuff I've heard and tbh I don't even think they knew they were being racist they were that ignorant and every other young lad that made a mistake they're saying useless c**t or should have stayed at home to f**k. Then a few Armagh guys stands next to me too for senior game and the shite they came out with to the Ref was unbelievable and cringe worthy stuff (u free state bastid etc)...so I had a rough 3 hours tbh.
As for the game I thought it was exciting but not the best quality, Armagh scoring from play was much better whilst Monaghan relied on Began's free taking (which was brilliant BTW) for Armagh I thought Clarke, Campbell, T Kernan, Days and McKeever were best. With the 3 suspended lads to come back next week and of Course Monaghan believing they can play much better it should be another close hard game...could we get another draw next week;-)
I can't imagine the Monaghan lads were in a generous mood, queueing up to buy you pints after that.
Overall I thought Armagh were hard done by with some good chances missed and should have won. Monaghan were fortunate to get another chance.
Where/when on the replay?
I just downloaded the game today from sharing irish torrents.
Any chance you could send me on a link for that?
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 29, 2014, 10:06:45 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 21, 2014, 10:03:57 AM
Quote from: orange on June 21, 2014, 08:09:48 AM
Appeals rejected and rafferty out, we have little chance of putting it up to monaghan! Nd hear mcquillan of cavan to ref it, joke, why bother! This stinks as much as derrytresk v dromid few years ago, kick the nordy team nd make sure you weakn them that so much they cant compete!
Seriously, throwing in the towel already?! McQuillan is, in my opinion, one of the betters refs around, and - putting aside the integrity of the man for a moment - the idea that a Cavan ref will want to give Monaghan team a handy route to an Ulster final is laughable.
Also, the 'nordy' chip is just a bit cringe-worthy.
Well orange? Still have that chip on your shoulder? :P
Suppose youre in agreement with O'rourke that mcquillan was hard on youse, WTF! What a crying pr1ck, he gave you alot of handy scorable frees while we had 1 soft free, the one at the end, which was a blatant jersey pull so was a free!! Nd O'rourke says mcmanus' tackle "wasnt that bad," so kyle carraghers was?!? Corey was lucky not to get a black as was the other wing half back for blatant body checks which mcquillan gave frees for but didn't give blacks!
anyway we deserved a draw and in another day cud have won, monaghan will be a different animal the next day! We'll need a big improvement!
when do we find out what time the game is on at next sunday ?
Seemingly clones in doubt too. Venue announcement made prematurely at the game yesterday. Venue and time tbc tomorrow
Quote from: Schkite on June 29, 2014, 05:13:15 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 29, 2014, 02:42:17 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 29, 2014, 02:04:41 PM
I was standing on the Hill just under the TV cameras and there were 3 Monaghan men I'd say well into their sixties and every time the young lad no5 for their minor team got the ball they were coming out with the most racist and vile stuff I've heard and tbh I don't even think they knew they were being racist they were that ignorant and every other young lad that made a mistake they're saying useless c**t or should have stayed at home to f**k. Then a few Armagh guys stands next to me too for senior game and the shite they came out with to the Ref was unbelievable and cringe worthy stuff (u free state bastid etc)...so I had a rough 3 hours tbh.
As for the game I thought it was exciting but not the best quality, Armagh scoring from play was much better whilst Monaghan relied on Began's free taking (which was brilliant BTW) for Armagh I thought Clarke, Campbell, T Kernan, Days and McKeever were best. With the 3 suspended lads to come back next week and of Course Monaghan believing they can play much better it should be another close hard game...could we get another draw next week;-)
I can't imagine the Monaghan lads were in a generous mood, queueing up to buy you pints after that.
Overall I thought Armagh were hard done by with some good chances missed and should have won. Monaghan were fortunate to get another chance.
Where/when on the replay?
I just downloaded the game today from sharing irish torrents.
Any chance you could send me on a link for that?
This is the link for the torrent file. I don't know if it's open for every tom dick and harry to download.
https://www.sharingirish.com/download.php?torrent=4717
if you need an invite, let me know, but be warned, i sent one invite to one board member and he died shortly afterwards.
I suspect the next game will make for happier viewing.
I just didn't have a good feeling while watching that game and when we were fannying about with the ball in midfield after going 3 points up, then someone sent a hail mary pass to K Hughes instead taking the more obvious option out wide on the right, I thought our goose was cooked.
A couple of years ago we had nobody who could convert a 45, now we have someone who can pop them over with a mere tap. We are starting games with a 3 or 4 point advantage over those monaghan teams pre-Beggan.
Quote from: donelli on June 29, 2014, 07:54:10 PM
Seemingly clones in doubt too. Venue announcement made prematurely at the game yesterday. Venue and time tbc tomorrow
Perhaps the Ulster Council may decide not to inflict another dose of these two on people and simply declare Donegal the champions? :D
Quote from: Main Street on June 29, 2014, 09:06:15 PM
Quote from: Schkite on June 29, 2014, 05:13:15 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 29, 2014, 02:42:17 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 29, 2014, 02:04:41 PM
I was standing on the Hill just under the TV cameras and there were 3 Monaghan men I'd say well into their sixties and every time the young lad no5 for their minor team got the ball they were coming out with the most racist and vile stuff I've heard and tbh I don't even think they knew they were being racist they were that ignorant and every other young lad that made a mistake they're saying useless c**t or should have stayed at home to f**k. Then a few Armagh guys stands next to me too for senior game and the shite they came out with to the Ref was unbelievable and cringe worthy stuff (u free state bastid etc)...so I had a rough 3 hours tbh.
As for the game I thought it was exciting but not the best quality, Armagh scoring from play was much better whilst Monaghan relied on Began's free taking (which was brilliant BTW) for Armagh I thought Clarke, Campbell, T Kernan, Days and McKeever were best. With the 3 suspended lads to come back next week and of Course Monaghan believing they can play much better it should be another close hard game...could we get another draw next week;-)
I can't imagine the Monaghan lads were in a generous mood, queueing up to buy you pints after that.
Overall I thought Armagh were hard done by with some good chances missed and should have won. Monaghan were fortunate to get another chance.
Where/when on the replay?
I just downloaded the game today from sharing irish torrents.
Any chance you could send me on a link for that?
This is the link for the torrent file. I don't know if it's open for every tom dick and harry to download.
https://www.sharingirish.com/download.php?torrent=4717
if you need an invite, let me know, but be warned, i sent one invite to one board member and he died shortly afterwards.
I suspect the next game will make for happier viewing.
I just didn't have a good feeling while watching that game and when we were fannying about with the ball in midfield after going 3 points up, then someone sent a hail mary pass to K Hughes instead taking the more obvious option out wide on the right, I thought our goose was cooked.
A couple of years ago we had nobody who could convert a 45, now we have someone who can pop them over with a mere tap. We are starting games with a 3 or 4 point advantage over those monaghan teams pre-Beggan.
Aye I could do with an invite cheers!
We left that behind us yesterday, but I would be confident that we can beat Monaghan the next day. Common sense says we should play it in the Athletic Grounds, especially if there is a doubt over clones. We'll probably end up in Cavan knowing the eejits in the Ulster council.
Quote from: Agent Orange on June 29, 2014, 09:57:33 PM
We left that behind us yesterday, but I would be confident that we can beat Monaghan the next day. Common sense says we should play it in the Athletic Grounds, especially if there is a doubt over clones. We'll probably end up in Cavan knowing the eejits in the Ulster council.
You left it behind yesterday, but it was a once only offer.
Quote from: Main Street on June 29, 2014, 11:01:55 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on June 29, 2014, 09:57:33 PM
We left that behind us yesterday, but I would be confident that we can beat Monaghan the next day. Common sense says we should play it in the Athletic Grounds, especially if there is a doubt over clones. We'll probably end up in Cavan knowing the eejits in the Ulster council.
You left it behind yesterday, but it was a once only offer.
Don't think so
Orangeman are on the march again
Quote from: donelli on June 29, 2014, 07:54:10 PM
Seemingly clones in doubt too. Venue announcement made prematurely at the game yesterday. Venue and time tbc tomorrow
As far as i know Armagh were offered Clones or Omagh and opted for Clones.
Quote from: cluaineois on June 29, 2014, 11:52:33 PM
Quote from: donelli on June 29, 2014, 07:54:10 PM
Seemingly clones in doubt too. Venue announcement made prematurely at the game yesterday. Venue and time tbc tomorrow
As far as i know Armagh were offered Clones or Omagh and opted for Clones.
Cannot see why Armagh would object to Clones. Omagh would not be big enough and a nightmare for traffic. Ladies finals there too next week.
Monaghan have an awful lot to improve on the next day. They lacked the pace to their game that they normally bring and this was partly down to Armagh getting their defence very well organised and Monaghan's foot passing been way off on the day and lacking runners to break lines.
Dessie and Vinny Corey didn't have good games in this regard while I think McManus and Hughes aren't 100% fit at all. Darren Hughes tried to be the ball carrier but he normally ran into a brick wall at times. Donaghy and Kellys decision making was very poor. Monaghan also surrended their half forward line which allowed McKeever and Kernan the freedom of the park and when Armagh found them running at pace Monaghan got exposed.
Walsh also struggled on Clarke in that when he got decent ball in he won them. Monaghans best option was to restrict ball going in and force Clarke out to look for the ball in crowded areas. Dyas in the second half was also a handful that Monaghan struggled to cope with.
Monaghan have it all to do and I fear that they are carrying a few injuries in key positions that are limiting their high intensity running game. Hopefully Doogan is close to getting a game as we need some someone in half forward line.
Quote from: Main Street on June 29, 2014, 02:42:17 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 29, 2014, 02:04:41 PM
I was standing on the Hill just under the TV cameras and there were 3 Monaghan men I'd say well into their sixties and every time the young lad no5 for their minor team got the ball they were coming out with the most racist and vile stuff I've heard and tbh I don't even think they knew they were being racist they were that ignorant and every other young lad that made a mistake they're saying useless c**t or should have stayed at home to f**k. Then a few Armagh guys stands next to me too for senior game and the shite they came out with to the Ref was unbelievable and cringe worthy stuff (u free state bastid etc)...so I had a rough 3 hours tbh.
As for the game I thought it was exciting but not the best quality, Armagh scoring from play was much better whilst Monaghan relied on Began's free taking (which was brilliant BTW) for Armagh I thought Clarke, Campbell, T Kernan, Days and McKeever were best. With the 3 suspended lads to come back next week and of Course Monaghan believing they can play much better it should be another close hard game...could we get another draw next week;-)
I can't imagine the Monaghan lads were in a generous mood, queueing up to buy you pints after that.
Overall I thought Armagh were hard done by with some good chances missed and should have won. Monaghan were fortunate to get another chance.
Where/when on the replay?
I just downloaded the game today from sharing irish torrents.
Any chance I could get an invite?
Quote from: Niall8100 on June 30, 2014, 11:43:35 AM
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Quote from: illdecide on June 29, 2014, 02:04:41 PM
I was standing on the Hill just under the TV cameras and there were 3 Monaghan men I'd say well into their sixties and every time the young lad no5 for their minor team got the ball they were coming out with the most racist and vile stuff I've heard and tbh I don't even think they knew they were being racist they were that ignorant and every other young lad that made a mistake they're saying useless c**t or should have stayed at home to f**k. Then a few Armagh guys stands next to me too for senior game and the shite they came out with to the Ref was unbelievable and cringe worthy stuff (u free state bastid etc)...so I had a rough 3 hours tbh.
As for the game I thought it was exciting but not the best quality, Armagh scoring from play was much better whilst Monaghan relied on Began's free taking (which was brilliant BTW) for Armagh I thought Clarke, Campbell, T Kernan, Days and McKeever were best. With the 3 suspended lads to come back next week and of Course Monaghan believing they can play much better it should be another close hard game...could we get another draw next week;-)
I can't imagine the Monaghan lads were in a generous mood, queueing up to buy you pints after that.
Overall I thought Armagh were hard done by with some good chances missed and should have won. Monaghan were fortunate to get another chance.
Where/when on the replay?
I just downloaded the game today from sharing irish torrents.
Any chance I could get an invite?
Invites don't grow on trees and the first rule of giving out an SI invite is
Remember you are responsible for who you invite. Inviting traders, cheaters or any other unwelcome type will result in a minimum of disabled invite privilagesThe 'other unwelcome type' is a broad church. You might be a troll or from lurgan or god forbid from tyrone. If so, the chances are high that you would cast some stain on my good reputation, somethings just can't be repaired.
Fair enough so, I swear I'll be good though ;D
I was worried monaghan might be flat after the euphoria of beating tyrone and so that panned out that way. Armagh were the better team on the day. The suspensions they had created a siege mentality of them against us and they were fired up for it. From a Monaghan perspective, it's a mediocre performance and they are still in the ulster championship. It's a necessary kick up the hole they needed. Armagh will believe with the suspended players back they will be capable of winning, but Monaghan should be able to raise their game to a higher level. O'Rourke should get his selection right this time. Gollogly should start. I can see Finlay starting as the foot passing to the inside forwards was very poor. Donaghy is a scavenger but offers very little scoring threat. McCarron is super talented player but he's lost in the half forward line - I seen him play there during the league and games passed him by there. He's much more effective inside. Lennon is a miss as his physical presence was sorely lacking in midfield.
Any highlights of the game?
Confirmed for 3.30 in Clones this sunday. The Ulster Ladies final between the two sides is on before it.
Is McQuillan the ref again?
Quote from: orangeman on June 30, 2014, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on June 30, 2014, 02:45:21 PM
Is McQuillan the ref again?
Marty Duffy.
Saying as Monaghan are calling the shots, they've got Pat McEneaney back on ref duty and he's taking the whistle for this one, alright kid?
We'll sort this one out on Sunday all right. Caolan Rafferty obviously still a loss but the other three lads coming back in will improve us. If our forwards can take the lessons from the first day in terms of the movement needed and efficiency in front of the posts then we'll be in a good place. Team will likely be:
McEvoy
Morgan Vernon Mallon
McKeever Donaghy Shields
Finden Toner
Tony K Dyas McVerry
Clarke Rafferty Campbell
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 30, 2014, 04:10:19 PM
We'll sort this one out on Sunday all right. Caolan Rafferty obviously still a loss but the other three lads coming back in will improve us. If our forwards can take the lessons from the first day in terms of the movement needed and efficiency in front of the posts then we'll be in a good place. Team will likely be:
McEvoy
Morgan Vernon Mallon
McKeever Donaghy Shields
Finden Toner
Tony K Dyas McVerry
Clarke Rafferty Campbell
It's tough call for Sunday...do you stiff the guys who done a job for you last week?
My team would be...
McEvoy
Morgan Vernon Mallon
McKeever Donaghy Kernan
Findon Toner
Tony K Dyas McVerry
Clarke Campbell S Forker (possibly)
I don't think Rafferty done enough for his place neither did A Forker...the unlucky one to lose out is Shields but what could happen is play Shields and play Aaron Kernan in HF line which could be a good move...
See Paddy Heaney continues to take the hump with Armagh. Got a right gub on him today in the IN with Armagh refusing to talk to the media. Seems to think McQuillan was generous to us. That's laughable.
Depends how things pan out, but on Sunday's showing if you had to drop anyone it'd be A Kernan, E Rafferty and possibly A Forker.
I thought the forwards were excellent in contrast with Monaghan who relied on the goalie's frees a lot and were well contained by Armagh's defence. Up front Clarke and Campbell have a great understanding developing and with the likes of T Kernan/Grugan who can play early quality ball inside I wouldn't change to much in the forward line with those two and S Forker as excellent target men in FF.
In mf, Toner is certain to start, Findon should probably join him but will need to be a bit more commanding. D Hughes, about a foot shorter, on more than one occasion was able to just punch the ball back from Armagh kickouts. S Harold is a good alternative and done well when introduced on Saturday, although being a bit more defense-minded Findon will prob retain his place.
In defence the main changes would be Mallon and Donaghy in for Moriarty and A Kernan. Finn Mo had a good outing and would be unlucky to lose out, A Kernan still doesn't seem to be 100% but both players provide great options from the bench. I'd like to think Shields will retain his place as his pacy bursts foward provide a great attacking option to support the forwards.
The team I'd like to see would be
McEvoy
Morgan Vernon Mallon
Shields Donaghy McKeever
Findon Toner
T Kernan Dyas McVerry
Clarke Campbell S Forker
With options to spring from bench i.e E Rafferty A Forker, A Kernan, Finn Mo, Harold and Carragher.
I'm probably a bit biased, well no I am biased, but what did Finn Mo do wrong that Andy Mallon could step tight in?
Also, why was Tony Kernan not on the starting 15 last day? The commentator mentioned that he has a busy career and has to spend some time in England so is it just that he missed training?
Quote from: Orior on June 30, 2014, 09:25:44 PM
I'm probably a bit biased, well no I am biased, but what did Finn Mo do wrong that Andy Mallon could step tight in?
Also, why was Tony Kernan not on the starting 15 last day? The commentator mentioned that he has a busy career and has to spend some time in England so is it just that he missed training?
Carragher is quite a speedy player although he might be better off being used when the players begin to tire. At one point when Carragher was playing he had two defenders chasing him around in the corner.
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Quote from: Orior on June 30, 2014, 09:25:44 PM
I'm probably a bit biased, well no I am biased, but what did Finn Mo do wrong that Andy Mallon could step tight in?
Well, he did concede a couple of frees that were punished with Monaghan scores, although he was very possibly fouled immediately prior to the concession of one of those. Definitely had one of his better games for Armagh, but Mallon is simply a stronger option.
This
I think andy has added a more attacking running from deep to his game which will add to the argument to include him
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 30, 2014, 04:10:19 PM
We'll sort this one out on Sunday all right. Caolan Rafferty obviously still a loss but the other three lads coming back in will improve us. If our forwards can take the lessons from the first day in terms of the movement needed and efficiency in front of the posts then we'll be in a good place. Team will likely be:
McEvoy
Morgan Vernon Mallon
McKeever Donaghy Shields
Finden Toner
Tony K Dyas McVerry
Clarke Rafferty Campbell
I'd have the same defense and HF line. I would put Harold on in place of Findon. Rafferty didn't look fully fit on Saturday, if that's still the case I would imagine one of Carragher or the two Forkers will take his place.
For me the biggest call is whether to place Shields or A Kernan. Personally I would play Shields, he has improved immensely over the last two years. You would be sacrificing the passing ability for running ability but Kernan will be great man to have ready on the bench. It's great to be a position to have these selection dilemmas.
There'll be no suppin' pints before the game next Sunday.
We just have to give Armagh due respect this time...then put them to the sword. ;)
Just put them to the sword first, then afterwards think about if they deserve respect or not.
I just don't get this lengthy discussion about naming the best Armagh team, what's that all about? what difference is it going to make?
It would be a great help if we don't get a black card in the wrong to one of our best players yet again.
But then it is Marty Duffy reffing so I won't hold my breath.
But anyway we have a lot of scope for improvement both in attack and defence after the last day, so hopefully we'll see some of that on Sunday.
Quote from: Armamike on June 30, 2014, 06:21:47 PM
See Paddy Heaney continues to take the hump with Armagh. Got a right gub on him today in the IN with Armagh refusing to talk to the media. Seems to think McQuillan was generous to us. That's laughable.
Heaney is a first class w**ker - let him at it, he probably didn't even see the match the way he reports. Gobshite!
any chance this is going to be televised ?
Quote from: Armamike on June 30, 2014, 06:21:47 PM
See Paddy Heaney continues to take the hump with Armagh. Got a right gub on him today in the IN with Armagh refusing to talk to the media. Seems to think McQuillan was generous to us. That's laughable.
Most reporters will take the hump when teams go out of their way to prevent them doing their job. It kinda goes with the territory.
Armagh are huffing and blaming the media for the Cavan bust up. It's laughable stuff.
Quote from: Abble on July 01, 2014, 03:52:26 PM
any chance this is going to be televised ?
No dont think so
Quote from: roney on July 01, 2014, 04:10:11 PM
Quote from: Armamike on June 30, 2014, 06:21:47 PM
See Paddy Heaney continues to take the hump with Armagh. Got a right gub on him today in the IN with Armagh refusing to talk to the media. Seems to think McQuillan was generous to us. That's laughable.
Most reporters will take the hump when teams go out of their way to prevent them doing their job. It kinda goes with the territory.
Armagh are huffing and blaming the media for the Cavan bust up. It's laughable stuff.
This whole taking the hump with the media can't be anything other than counter-productive, surely? Plus, it looks ridiculous.
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Quote from: orange on June 21, 2014, 08:09:48 AM
Appeals rejected and rafferty out, we have little chance of putting it up to monaghan! Nd hear mcquillan of cavan to ref it, joke, why bother! This stinks as much as derrytresk v dromid few years ago, kick the nordy team nd make sure you weakn them that so much they cant compete!
Seriously, throwing in the towel already?! McQuillan is, in my opinion, one of the betters refs around, and - putting aside the integrity of the man for a moment - the idea that a Cavan ref will want to give Monaghan team a handy route to an Ulster final is laughable.
Also, the 'nordy' chip is just a bit cringe-worthy.
Well orange? Still have that chip on your shoulder? :P
Suppose youre in agreement with O'rourke that mcquillan was hard on youse, WTF! What a crying pr1ck, he gave you alot of handy scorable frees while we had 1 soft free, the one at the end, which was a blatant jersey pull so was a free!! Nd O'rourke says mcmanus' tackle "wasnt that bad," so kyle carraghers was?!? Corey was lucky not to get a black as was the other wing half back for blatant body checks which mcquillan gave frees for but didn't give blacks!
anyway we deserved a draw and in another day cud have won, monaghan will be a different animal the next day! We'll need a big improvement!
Regardless of whether the free was warranted (and I'm assured it was - I missed the game), my point, tongue in cheek as it was, was that if there was a big conspiracy to defeat the northern teams, you wouldn't have been given the chance to equalise, warranted or not. Nor would our star forward have been black carded in reportedly dubious circumstances.
But yeah, "crying pr1ck'". You stay classy. 8)
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Quote from: Armamike on June 30, 2014, 06:21:47 PM
See Paddy Heaney continues to take the hump with Armagh. Got a right gub on him today in the IN with Armagh refusing to talk to the media. Seems to think McQuillan was generous to us. That's laughable.
Most reporters will take the hump when teams go out of their way to prevent them doing their job. It kinda goes with the territory.
Armagh are huffing and blaming the media for the Cavan bust up. It's laughable stuff.
Is it not fuelled by the Media's ridiculous slant in reporting it as Armagh being the aggressors and it possibly being premeditated - clearly led by the Irish News. Despite Heaney's article being proven factually incorrect (and therefore the premise of armagh being a big bad wolf) there was no retraction and no change of tact in follow ups. What do they expect - especially when you consider that people in the Armagh camp barely speak to the IN due to their years of tabloid journalism speculating on and undermining management.
Quote from: cluaineois on July 01, 2014, 05:15:37 PM
Quote from: Abble on July 01, 2014, 03:52:26 PM
any chance this is going to be televised ?
No dont think so
I suppose we can justifiably blame the media for that.
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 01, 2014, 05:51:35 PM
Quote from: roney on July 01, 2014, 04:10:11 PM
Quote from: Armamike on June 30, 2014, 06:21:47 PM
See Paddy Heaney continues to take the hump with Armagh. Got a right gub on him today in the IN with Armagh refusing to talk to the media. Seems to think McQuillan was generous to us. That's laughable.
Most reporters will take the hump when teams go out of their way to prevent them doing their job. It kinda goes with the territory.
Armagh are huffing and blaming the media for the Cavan bust up. It's laughable stuff.
Is it not fuelled by the Media's ridiculous slant in reporting it as Armagh being the aggressors and it possibly being premeditated - clearly led by the Irish News. Despite Heaney's article being proven factually incorrect (and therefore the premise of armagh being a big bad wolf) there was no retraction and no change of tact in follow ups. What do they expect - especially when you consider that people in the Armagh camp barely speak to the IN due to their years of tabloid journalism speculating on and undermining management.
Indeed, that's the supporters' job.
Did Heaney not report that McConville did something to McEntee's sister a few years back?
The media are hateful bastards in reality.
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 01, 2014, 05:51:35 PM
Quote from: roney on July 01, 2014, 04:10:11 PM
Quote from: Armamike on June 30, 2014, 06:21:47 PM
See Paddy Heaney continues to take the hump with Armagh. Got a right gub on him today in the IN with Armagh refusing to talk to the media. Seems to think McQuillan was generous to us. That's laughable.
Most reporters will take the hump when teams go out of their way to prevent them doing their job. It kinda goes with the territory.
Armagh are huffing and blaming the media for the Cavan bust up. It's laughable stuff.
Is it not fuelled by the Media's ridiculous slant in reporting it as Armagh being the aggressors and it possibly being premeditated - clearly led by the Irish News. Despite Heaney's article being proven factually incorrect (and therefore the premise of armagh being a big bad wolf) there was no retraction and no change of tact in follow ups. What do they expect - especially when you consider that people in the Armagh camp barely speak to the IN due to their years of tabloid journalism speculating on and undermining management.
Exactly.
Quote from: Armamike on July 01, 2014, 09:59:49 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 01, 2014, 05:51:35 PM
Quote from: roney on July 01, 2014, 04:10:11 PM
Quote from: Armamike on June 30, 2014, 06:21:47 PM
See Paddy Heaney continues to take the hump with Armagh. Got a right gub on him today in the IN with Armagh refusing to talk to the media. Seems to think McQuillan was generous to us. That's laughable.
Most reporters will take the hump when teams go out of their way to prevent them doing their job. It kinda goes with the territory.
Armagh are huffing and blaming the media for the Cavan bust up. It's laughable stuff.
Is it not fuelled by the Media's ridiculous slant in reporting it as Armagh being the aggressors and it possibly being premeditated - clearly led by the Irish News. Despite Heaney's article being proven factually incorrect (and therefore the premise of armagh being a big bad wolf) there was no retraction and no change of tact in follow ups. What do they expect - especially when you consider that people in the Armagh camp barely speak to the IN due to their years of tabloid journalism speculating on and undermining management.
Exactly.
Also remember that Heaney reported on a supposed fall out in the Armagh camp in the run in to the Cavan game. There's not a team in the country that wouldn't react to this type of journalism in the manner that Armagh have. I think Heaney is officially on the wind up at this point.
Monaghan hoping for history to repeat itself, with some help from the Ref?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZt3FwSpUEI
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Quote from: roney on July 01, 2014, 04:10:11 PM
Quote from: Armamike on June 30, 2014, 06:21:47 PM
See Paddy Heaney continues to take the hump with Armagh. Got a right gub on him today in the IN with Armagh refusing to talk to the media. Seems to think McQuillan was generous to us. That's laughable.
Most reporters will take the hump when teams go out of their way to prevent them doing their job. It kinda goes with the territory.
Armagh are huffing and blaming the media for the Cavan bust up. It's laughable stuff.
Is it not fuelled by the Media's ridiculous slant in reporting it as Armagh being the aggressors and it possibly being premeditated - clearly led by the Irish News. Despite Heaney's article being proven factually incorrect (and therefore the premise of armagh being a big bad wolf) there was no retraction and no change of tact in follow ups. What do they expect - especially when you consider that people in the Armagh camp barely speak to the IN due to their years of tabloid journalism speculating on and undermining management.
Exactly.
Also remember that Heaney reported on a supposed fall out in the Armagh camp in the run in to the Cavan game. There's not a team in the country that wouldn't react to this type of journalism in the manner that Armagh have. I think Heaney is officially on the wind up at this point.
I think he is too stupid to be on the wind up - he is just a complete spineless fuckwit.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 02, 2014, 07:27:27 AM
Monaghan hoping for history to repeat itself, with some help from the Ref?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZt3FwSpUEI
Rory Beggan's Dad scored the point to draw the teams level in the first game.. If we could get from McCarron junior what the Dad was able to do in the replay we'd be happy too..
Given it is a Sunday I would expect a bigger crowd. I have to say some of the women stewards (and I know they are from every county so I am not slagging Monaghan) are rude bitches on a power trip. One lad about 15 came to the steward behind me in the Pat McGrane and said he was in the wrong section, all his mates were in the terrace and pointed at them behind the wire, he politely asked was there a way he could join them, the lady took him over to the gate where this rottweiler was patrolling what was the entry to the terrace and explained the situation - she just start roaring no way once in you are in, you can't change sections. The lad said he was on his own then and she said it was of no concern of hers and he wasn't getting in, the manner in which she spoke to him was disgusting, he wasn't drunk and was very polite, apologising on several occasions saying he lost his mates and thought they were coming in to the McGrane. Given there was only 18 or 19,000 there and all kids were in free what did it matter to this woman, a complete nasty jobsworth.
Quote from: Zip Code on July 02, 2014, 08:36:53 AM
Given it is a Sunday I would expect a bigger crowd. I have to say some of the women stewards (and I know they are from every county so I am not slagging Monaghan) are rude bitches on a power trip. One lad about 15 came to the steward behind me in the Pat McGrane and said he was in the wrong section, all his mates were in the terrace and pointed at them behind the wire, he politely asked was there a way he could join them, the lady took him over to the gate where this rottweiler was patrolling what was the entry to the terrace and explained the situation - she just start roaring no way once in you are in, you can't change sections. The lad said he was on his own then and she said it was of no concern of hers and he wasn't getting in, the manner in which she spoke to him was disgusting, he wasn't drunk and was very polite, apologising on several occasions saying he lost his mates and thought they were coming in to the McGrane. Given there was only 18 or 19,000 there and all kids were in free what did it matter to this woman, a complete nasty jobsworth.
When all of the games are in the new Casement, we will look back to the easy going ways of Clones with happy memories.
This wan will be at casement as well on her power trip!
Quote from: Zip Code on July 02, 2014, 09:21:05 AM
This wan will be at casement as well on her power trip!
She'll be less noticeable amongst the 40,000+ and will fit in better..
Quote from: Armamike on July 01, 2014, 09:59:49 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 01, 2014, 05:51:35 PM
Quote from: roney on July 01, 2014, 04:10:11 PM
Quote from: Armamike on June 30, 2014, 06:21:47 PM
See Paddy Heaney continues to take the hump with Armagh. Got a right gub on him today in the IN with Armagh refusing to talk to the media. Seems to think McQuillan was generous to us. That's laughable.
Most reporters will take the hump when teams go out of their way to prevent them doing their job. It kinda goes with the territory.
Armagh are huffing and blaming the media for the Cavan bust up. It's laughable stuff.
Is it not fuelled by the Media's ridiculous slant in reporting it as Armagh being the aggressors and it possibly being premeditated - clearly led by the Irish News. Despite Heaney's article being proven factually incorrect (and therefore the premise of armagh being a big bad wolf) there was no retraction and no change of tact in follow ups. What do they expect - especially when you consider that people in the Armagh camp barely speak to the IN due to their years of tabloid journalism speculating on and undermining management.
Exactly.
Ok, so Armagh have a blanket media ban because it doesn't like some of the reporting from one paper? Do you know how stupid that sounds?
Perhaps it's McGeeney's way of keeping Grimley from coming out with the clangers that have fuelled most of it :D
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Media/Pix/pictures/2008/12/09/Clangers460.jpg)
Quote from: roney on July 02, 2014, 10:23:23 AM
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Quote from: roney on July 01, 2014, 04:10:11 PM
Quote from: Armamike on June 30, 2014, 06:21:47 PM
See Paddy Heaney continues to take the hump with Armagh. Got a right gub on him today in the IN with Armagh refusing to talk to the media. Seems to think McQuillan was generous to us. That's laughable.
Most reporters will take the hump when teams go out of their way to prevent them doing their job. It kinda goes with the territory.
Armagh are huffing and blaming the media for the Cavan bust up. It's laughable stuff.
Is it not fuelled by the Media's ridiculous slant in reporting it as Armagh being the aggressors and it possibly being premeditated - clearly led by the Irish News. Despite Heaney's article being proven factually incorrect (and therefore the premise of armagh being a big bad wolf) there was no retraction and no change of tact in follow ups. What do they expect - especially when you consider that people in the Armagh camp barely speak to the IN due to their years of tabloid journalism speculating on and undermining management.
Exactly.
Ok, so Armagh have a blanket media ban because it doesn't like some of the reporting from one paper? Do you know how stupid that sounds?
Perhaps it's McGeeney's way of keeping Grimley from coming out with the clangers that have fuelled most of it :D
If Armagh have a blanket media ban - how do you know why they have it. Oh you are assuming posters here speak for Armagh - do you know how stupid that sounds!
I don't. I have to rely on media reports LOL
Selector Peter McDonnell said: "We are not happy with the way the authorities dealt with this, cast judgements before hearings were heard. We are not happy with an awful lot of the media attentions that skewed what the huge reality was for Armagh."
When why talk balls then!
Quote from: Zip Code on July 02, 2014, 10:34:53 AM
When why talk balls then!
What's your own opinion then? Why do they have a media ban?
No idea, maybe they want to concentrate on playing football. If they want a media ban that is up to them, what does it matter to you?
Time the Armagh Co Board grew up and started acting like adults.
Time we started discussing the game on Sunday instead of the crop on here now...I'm guessing Armagh won't name their team until throw in? When is Monaghan due to name their team? I expect one change in Monaghan team for Sunday but haven't a clue what team Armagh will line out
If they don't want to talk to the media, they do not have to it is entirely their decision.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 02, 2014, 10:41:12 AM
Time the Armagh Co Board grew up and started acting like adults.
Time for the media to start reporting facts instead of making shite up to sell a few rags.
Quote from: illdecide on July 02, 2014, 10:45:00 AM
Time we started discussing the game on Sunday instead of the crop on here now...I'm guessing Armagh won't name their team until throw in? When is Monaghan due to name their team? I expect one change in Monaghan team for Sunday but haven't a clue what team Armagh will line out
How will anyone know what Armagh's team is?
Quote from: Zip Code on July 02, 2014, 10:46:57 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 02, 2014, 10:41:12 AM
Time the Armagh Co Board grew up and started acting like adults.
Time for the media to start reporting facts instead of making shite up to sell a few rags.
Whataboutery.....
Quote from: Rossfan on July 02, 2014, 10:52:18 AM
Quote from: illdecide on July 02, 2014, 10:45:00 AM
Time we started discussing the game on Sunday instead of the crop on here now...I'm guessing Armagh won't name their team until throw in? When is Monaghan due to name their team? I expect one change in Monaghan team for Sunday but haven't a clue what team Armagh will line out
How will anyone know what Armagh's team is?
It'll be the one in orange
This media nonsense that counties engage in is childish and self-serving. It serves no purpose whatsoever. Monaghan tried it in the past and the pressure on the players totally backfired.
We like to see ourselves as professional in many aspects but this is one area where we are still totally amateurish. They can talk to the media and still say feck all and nobody would notice.
I'd be for the GAA to get county boards to sign up to PR agreements where they agree to prematch and post match interviews, that's basically all they'd have to do. If they don't do it, punish them in the pocket, they'd pay attention then.
This silly one-upmanship is an awful blight on trying to move the GAA forward.
Anyways, I hope it blows up in Armaghs face and then no one will want to talk to them anyway :)
This thread is like going to a match against Armagh - lots of people in orange loudly and aggressively spouting nonsense when they clearly havent a clue what theyre talking about ;D
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 02, 2014, 11:27:29 AM
This thread is like going to a match against Armagh - lots of people in orange loudly and aggressively spouting nonsense when they clearly havent a clue what theyre talking about ;D
Were as you do!!
Quote from: Bingo on July 02, 2014, 11:10:45 AM
This media nonsense that counties engage in is childish and self-serving. It serves no purpose whatsoever. Monaghan tried it in the past and the pressure on the players totally backfired.
We like to see ourselves as professional in many aspects but this is one area where we are still totally amateurish. They can talk to the media and still say feck all and nobody would notice.
I'd be for the GAA to get county boards to sign up to PR agreements where they agree to prematch and post match interviews, that's basically all they'd have to do. If they don't do it, punish them in the pocket, they'd pay attention then.
This silly one-upmanship is an awful blight on trying to move the GAA forward.
Anyways, I hope it blows up in Armaghs face and then no one will want to talk to them anyway :)
That's the whole of Armagh worried now!
Quote from: Zip Code on July 02, 2014, 11:29:36 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 02, 2014, 11:27:29 AM
This thread is like going to a match against Armagh - lots of people in orange loudly and aggressively spouting nonsense when they clearly havent a clue what theyre talking about ;D
Were as you do!!
Well at least you recognised who I was talking about lol
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 02, 2014, 11:33:35 AM
Quote from: Zip Code on July 02, 2014, 11:29:36 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 02, 2014, 11:27:29 AM
This thread is like going to a match against Armagh - lots of people in orange loudly and aggressively spouting nonsense when they clearly havent a clue what theyre talking about ;D
Were as you do!!
Well at least you recognised who I was talking about lol
;D
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 02, 2014, 11:33:35 AM
Quote from: Zip Code on July 02, 2014, 11:29:36 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 02, 2014, 11:27:29 AM
This thread is like going to a match against Armagh - lots of people in orange loudly and aggressively spouting nonsense when they clearly havent a clue what theyre talking about ;D
Were as you do!!
Well at least you recognised who I was talking about lol
You clearly stated it was about Armagh people - you must have an awful chip on your shoulder about them.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 02, 2014, 11:33:35 AM
Quote from: Zip Code on July 02, 2014, 11:29:36 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 02, 2014, 11:27:29 AM
This thread is like going to a match against Armagh - lots of people in orange loudly and aggressively spouting nonsense when they clearly havent a clue what theyre talking about ;D
Were as you do!!
Well at least you recognised who I was talking about lol
;D
It's bad when EC is laughing at you!!! Armagh should wise up. Media bans? Them and us? Pile of auld shite. Football is played on the field and the game should be focused on that. The omerta becomes the story and puts undue pressure on the players to obey the silence. Also as someone said elsewhere the man with the microphone is always the winner so why not use him. I honestly don't understand it at all!
Anyway, will be interesting to see how the replay goes. Was very surprised how well Armagh played but the element of surprise is gone. Can they retain the work rate level this time again when Monaghan know what is coming? I don't know btu it will make interesting viewing.
Why is so many people worried about whether or not Armagh speak to the Press or not...who give a f**k. All i care about is beating Monaghan on Sunday and whatever way that is achieved then so be it. The thought of Monaghan beating us (Don't mind the Monaghan men too much) and them Tyrone hoors sending us on our way is just too much to handle.
I know Donegal is prob the strongest team and they are lying await in the Ulster final if we were to beat Monaghan but at least we won't have to travel to Omagh...(prob draw them again in next round of qualifers...lol)
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 02, 2014, 11:59:12 AM
It's bad when EC is laughing at you!!! Armagh should wise up. Media bans? Them and us? Pile of auld shite. Football is played on the field and the game should be focused on that. The omerta becomes the story and puts undue pressure on the players to obey the silence. Also as someone said elsewhere the man with the microphone is always the winner so why not use him. I honestly don't understand it at all!
Anyway, will be interesting to see how the replay goes. Was very surprised how well Armagh played but the element of surprise is gone. Can they retain the work rate level this time again when Monaghan know what is coming? I don't know btu it will make interesting viewing.
I would say that Monaghan were warned in advance of the first game i.e. we knew what Armagh were gonna bring, and that's a worry..
There's a better performance in Monaghan, they are not as bad as they showed last Saturday. For me the question is, how much better can Armagh be? I'd imagine they will be stronger with the return of Mallon, Donaghy and Toner. Will these three lads walk back into the team? Surely that'd be unfair on the lads who played on Saturday?
From a Monaghan point of view I would like to see Finlay on from the start in place of Donaghy. Donaghy forages well but he doesn't offer enough from a scoring point of view. Finlay would be a much needed long range shooting option, given the system of play (which is similar in both teams I might add..)
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 02, 2014, 02:06:33 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 02, 2014, 11:59:12 AM
It's bad when EC is laughing at you!!! Armagh should wise up. Media bans? Them and us? Pile of auld shite. Football is played on the field and the game should be focused on that. The omerta becomes the story and puts undue pressure on the players to obey the silence. Also as someone said elsewhere the man with the microphone is always the winner so why not use him. I honestly don't understand it at all!
Anyway, will be interesting to see how the replay goes. Was very surprised how well Armagh played but the element of surprise is gone. Can they retain the work rate level this time again when Monaghan know what is coming? I don't know btu it will make interesting viewing.
I would say that Monaghan were warned in advance of the first game i.e. we knew what Armagh were gonna bring, and that's a worry..
There's a better performance in Monaghan, they are not as bad as they showed last Saturday. For me the question is, how much better can Armagh be? I'd imagine they will be stronger with the return of Mallon, Donaghy and Toner. Will these three lads walk back into the team? Surely that'd be unfair on the lads who played on Saturday?
From a Monaghan point of view I would like to see Finlay on from the start in place of Donaghy. Donaghy forages well but he doesn't offer enough from a scoring point of view. Finlay would be a much needed long range shooting option, given the system of play (which is similar in both teams I might add..)
Last weekend Monaghan played poorly and still just managed not to win. We know Monaghan can play a lot better, and hopefully can up their game significantly. The question is, can Armagh match any improvement from Monaghan?
Lot of Monaghan people assuming they will play better and win.
For me as an Armagh man I believe that we have turned the corner .
Fancy us to get a goal or 2 and win by a couple of points.
If Monaghan's shooting improves Armagh will find it tough staying with them.
Really looking forward to the game on Sunday. It will be another tight affair but i firmly believe that Armagh are capable of winning. Before last weeks game i thought the performance more so than the result was of vital importance in the development of the team. If we got within 2 or 3 points of Monaghan i'd have been fairly happy if we performed well. We done more than that. The Armagh of the last few years would have crumbled after going 3 points down near the end of the game but the steel is back. Reminds me a bit of 98/99.
My heart says Armagh to win, my head concurs.
Quote from: Zip Code on July 02, 2014, 10:14:24 PM
If Monaghan's shooting improves Armagh will find it tough staying with them.
what were the wide counts from Saturday cos i thought our shooting was terrible and had far more wides than Monaghan ?
Are the three suspended armagh players back for this game??
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 02, 2014, 11:29:50 PM
Are the three suspended armagh players back for this game??
Certainly are
Quote from: naka on July 02, 2014, 09:54:08 PM
Lot of Monaghan people assuming they will play better and win.
For me as an Armagh man I believe that we have turned the corner .
Fancy us to get a goal or 2 and win by a couple of points.
If ye can hold our forwards as well again and test our defence as much again, yeah I could see yous winning. It would be a low-scoring win though I'd say, I don't know where the confidence in getting goals comes from, I also seen elsewhere Armagh men before the first game very confident of getting a couple of goals. We haven't conceded a championship goal since 2012 and despite our defence getting ruined last week Beggan only had one simple save to make. Goals may come but form suggests otherwise.
We can improve a good bit but that's not to say we will, a lot to work on this week. If we perform the same, as I say I can see Armagh winning a low-scoring game. It'd be hard to see Beggan getting as many points this week to keep us ticking over. I am confident we'll see an improvement, but alot of players need to step it up and there's a few selection issues for Malachy to ponder, in the HF line especially.
You are overdue to concede a few goals and Clarke is the man to break ye!
We have three key men available to us and I think we can get this done, here's hoping!
That's three times Malachy O'Rourke (possibly four as I'm not sure he was manager of Fermanagh in 2010) has come up against Armagh in the Championship and he has yet to get a win.
Game not being on tele is a pain in the arse for those of us living away from home. At least I will be back on Tuesday so will get to go to one game anyway
The Armagh men have the chests out once more. Good to see, should be a right hardy battle this weekend. Fierce pity the game is not being televised.
Good to see that you have shed your catatonic ways and are now beating your chests and rattling the sabres.
Armagh pride!
For too long you have had to lie low with swords firmly sheathed.
Great to see the buzz around this team but far too often we have performed well and then played poorly in he next game. We still haven't produced back to back wins in Ulster for quite a while and yes the draw with reigning Ulster champions was encouraging we haven't done anything yet.
The media ban is over!
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/armagh/armaghs-paul-grimley-we-can-seize-our-golden-moment-30402172.html
Even Grimley can't restrain himself any longer under the restraints of the repressive media ban and leaps high (as high as possible under his circumstances) to issue the clarion call to recapture the glory of yesteryears.
Monaghan copying Armagh with imposing media ban
Quote from: Main Street on July 03, 2014, 02:30:05 PM
Even Grimley can't restrain himself any longer under the restraints of the repressive media ban and leaps high (as high as possible under his circumstances) to issue the clarion call to recapture the glory of yesteryears.
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on July 03, 2014, 03:54:33 PM
Monaghan copying Armagh with imposing media ban
if there's any milage to be got by imposing a media ban, we are not going to let Armagh get all the benefits.
And we should be able to do a media ban better than Armagh have managed so far.
Quote from: Main Street on July 03, 2014, 08:54:35 PM
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on July 03, 2014, 03:54:33 PM
Monaghan copying Armagh with imposing media ban
if there's any milage to be got by imposing a media ban, we are not going to let Armagh get all the benefits.
And we should be able to do a media ban better than Armagh have managed so far.
Our media ban's better than yours?
Quote from: Main Street on July 03, 2014, 08:54:35 PM
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on July 03, 2014, 03:54:33 PM
Monaghan copying Armagh with imposing media ban
if there's any milage to be got by imposing a media ban, we are not going to let Armagh get all the benefits.
And we should be able to do a media ban better than Armagh have managed so far.
Jeez! We lasted as long on this ban as the loyalist hunger strikers did on their wee fast! :P
http://www.hoganstand.com/monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=219708
WTF?
So how many of you farney supporters are now going to reassess your recent opinions on media bans? ;D
Quote from: Armamike on July 03, 2014, 10:21:49 PM
So how many of you farney supporters are now going to reassess your recent opinions on media bans? ;D
Not me. Don't see the point/benefit in them.
Not that there are ever any great or exciting revelations when there's no ban.
In any event, with the power of social media, county boards should be well able to counteract any publicity that they deem unfair. Established print or TV media don't or shouldn't have the power they did a few years ago.
Armagh were crap, now they have ideas that they have some unfulfilled mission, to show the world that they have a football tradition. I have to admit this has unsettled the Monaghan team out of their comfort zone.
We have uncovered Armagh's weapon, the source of their strength and now we are strutting about with our lips firmly shut.
And not only are the men of Armagh on the march, but our women are attempting to topple a traditional area of Monaghan dominence. We aim to give Farney folk of all genders the blues.
This is the starting 15 Monaghan has submitted to the media for the replay. I wonder what the actual line up will be. I personally think Gollogly will start at CHF. McKenna may possibly start, though I think Jap should start. The defensive match ups will change from the first game.
Rory Beggan
Kieran Duffy
Drew Wylie
Colin Walshe
Dessie Mone
Vinny Corey
Fintan Kelly
Dick Clerkin
Darren Hughes
Ryan Wylie
Chris Mc Guinness
Paudie Mc Kenna
Dermot Malone
Kieran Hughes
Conor McManus
Quote from: Sleater on July 04, 2014, 10:15:52 AM
This is the starting 15 Monaghan has submitted to the media for the replay. I wonder what the actual line up will be. I personally think Gollogly will start at CHF. McKenna may possibly start, though I think Jap should start. The defensive match ups will change from the first game.
Rory Beggan
Kieran Duffy
Drew Wylie
Colin Walshe
Dessie Mone
Vinny Corey
Fintan Kelly
Dick Clerkin
Darren Hughes
Ryan Wylie
Chris Mc Guinness
Paudie Mc Kenna
Dermot Malone
Kieran Hughes
Conor McManus
I've a feeling that'll be close to the starting line up. As much as I'd like to see Finlay on from the start for his distribution/long range scoring he doesn't offer what might be needed from a defensive point of view i.e. our wing forwards need to defend. If we can compete in MF and get the ball into the forwards then Finlay should be on, if we are struggling in MF and have Armagh attacking us then Wylie's a better option.
McManus has had his black card overturned.
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=219727
This link should work for state side people
http://www.wiziwig.tv/competition.php?&part=sports&discipline=other&archive=no&allowedDays=1
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on July 05, 2014, 04:23:40 AM
This link should work for state side people
http://www.wiziwig.tv/competition.php?&part=sports&discipline=other&archive=no&allowedDays=1
Do you need torrents or anything fancy to watch or just click n watch?
Quote from: The Subbie on July 05, 2014, 06:20:23 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on July 05, 2014, 04:23:40 AM
This link should work for state side people
http://www.wiziwig.tv/competition.php?&part=sports&discipline=other&archive=no&allowedDays=1
Do you need torrents or anything fancy to watch or just click n watch?
No you don't need torrents to use wiziwig. And I've used in
the 6. But the picture quality isn't good and there are lots of pop up ads. I've used it for Ryder Cup and Heineken Cup - sports of lesser importance. But the quality of the download using torrents is far better.
Quote from: babarino on July 05, 2014, 08:21:12 AM
Quote from: The Subbie on July 05, 2014, 06:20:23 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on July 05, 2014, 04:23:40 AM
This link should work for state side people
http://www.wiziwig.tv/competition.php?&part=sports&discipline=other&archive=no&allowedDays=1
Do you need torrents or anything fancy to watch or just click n watch?
No you don't need torrents to use wiziwig. And I've used in the 6. But the picture quality isn't good and there are lots of pop up ads. I've used it for Ryder Cup and Heineken Cup - sports of lesser importance. But the quality of the download using torrents is far better.
Sound, I'll give it a go, thanks Barbarino and Drinking Harp.
Quote from: babarino on July 05, 2014, 08:21:12 AM
Quote from: The Subbie on July 05, 2014, 06:20:23 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on July 05, 2014, 04:23:40 AM
This link should work for state side people
http://www.wiziwig.tv/competition.php?&part=sports&discipline=other&archive=no&allowedDays=1
Do you need torrents or anything fancy to watch or just click n watch?
No you don't need torrents to use wiziwig. And I've used in the 6. But the picture quality isn't good and there are lots of pop up ads. I've used it for Ryder Cup and Heineken Cup - sports of lesser importance. But the quality of the download using torrents is far better.
Somebody has to record and transmit the game in the first place, and who is that hero going to be?
The game is not on any tv schedule.
Quote from: Main Street on July 05, 2014, 09:49:10 AM
Quote from: babarino on July 05, 2014, 08:21:12 AM
Quote from: The Subbie on July 05, 2014, 06:20:23 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on July 05, 2014, 04:23:40 AM
This link should work for state side people
http://www.wiziwig.tv/competition.php?&part=sports&discipline=other&archive=no&allowedDays=1
Do you need torrents or anything fancy to watch or just click n watch?
No you don't need torrents to use wiziwig. And I've used in the 6. But the picture quality isn't good and there are lots of pop up ads. I've used it for Ryder Cup and Heineken Cup - sports of lesser importance. But the quality of the download using torrents is far better.
Somebody has to record and transmit the game in the first place, and who is that hero going to be?
The game is not on any tv schedule.
Tie your phone to your cap, Main Street, and provide us with some service.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 04, 2014, 05:09:53 PM
McManus has had his black card overturned.
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=219727
That's very good news.
Both McManus and D Hughes have had their card overturned, whilst McManus' was an obvious appeal, Hughes' card being overturned has more significance. It was officially deemed that he did not pull down Cavanagh.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 05, 2014, 09:51:57 AM
Quote from: Main Street on July 05, 2014, 09:49:10 AM
Quote from: babarino on July 05, 2014, 08:21:12 AM
Quote from: The Subbie on July 05, 2014, 06:20:23 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on July 05, 2014, 04:23:40 AM
This link should work for state side people
http://www.wiziwig.tv/competition.php?&part=sports&discipline=other&archive=no&allowedDays=1
Do you need torrents or anything fancy to watch or just click n watch?
No you don't need torrents to use wiziwig. And I've used in the 6. But the picture quality isn't good and there are lots of pop up ads. I've used it for Ryder Cup and Heineken Cup - sports of lesser importance. But the quality of the download using torrents is far better.
Somebody has to record and transmit the game in the first place, and who is that hero going to be?
The game is not on any tv schedule.
Tie your phone to your cap, Main Street, and provide us with some service.
In solidarity with my comrades, I will not break the media omerta strike, until the game is over.
Anyone any idea on the crowd expected? There are no tickets available in Lurgan as Super value just this week was bought over by Spar so ticket machine was closed down all week... I'm assuming buying the tickets at game tomorrow is more expensive?
Quote from: illdecide on July 05, 2014, 09:51:05 PM
Anyone any idea on the crowd expected? There are no tickets available in Lurgan as Super value just this week was bought over by Spar so ticket machine was closed down all week... I'm assuming buying the tickets at game tomorrow is more expensive?
Don't think so.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2014, 10:05:13 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 05, 2014, 09:51:05 PM
Anyone any idea on the crowd expected? There are no tickets available in Lurgan as Super value just this week was bought over by Spar so ticket machine was closed down all week... I'm assuming buying the tickets at game tomorrow is more expensive?
Don't think so.
Got the last tickets in supervalu, all sold out and someone else on another site said that the young lad behind the counter said they could have sold ten times more . There were tickets available in Lurgan but all gone .. A big Armagh crowd expected .
Quote from: rionach 4 on July 06, 2014, 12:26:21 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2014, 10:05:13 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 05, 2014, 09:51:05 PM
Anyone any idea on the crowd expected? There are no tickets available in Lurgan as Super value just this week was bought over by Spar so ticket machine was closed down all week... I'm assuming buying the tickets at game tomorrow is more expensive?
Don't think so.
Got the last tickets in supervalu, all sold out and someone else on another site said that the young lad behind the counter said they could have sold ten times more . There were tickets available in Lurgan but all gone .. A big Armagh crowd expected .
There'll be in bother getting tickets at the game, for the terraces anyhow. And they'll be no more expensive than buying them in advance.
Got tickets in Supervalu in Blayney yesterday evening.
Armagh Ladies show the way by winning Ulster in the warm up game, double scores 2-14 to 1-07, a very good example for the Men and a good payout for anyone who got on at 4/1, or even more if some eejit bookie offered a spread.
Monaghan dominating by the sounds of it 1-1 to 0-6, they lead.
Not like Marty Duffy to be the centre of attention! :-X
Monaghan back in form this week,
Monaghan up 1-8 to 1-4 HT. Sounds like Mon. are dominating midfield again.
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on July 06, 2014, 04:04:22 PM
Not like Marty Duffy to be the centre of attention! :-X
what did he do now
any video links for this one
Quote from: joemamas on July 06, 2014, 04:11:53 PM
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on July 06, 2014, 04:04:22 PM
Not like Marty Duffy to be the centre of attention! :-X
what did he do now
any video links for this one
Listen to BBC Radio Ulster. Going by them, Armagh had a great shout for a penalty which was turned down, then Monaghan went straight up the field and goaled, with a possible foul in the process - push in the back.
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on July 06, 2014, 04:14:35 PM
Quote from: joemamas on July 06, 2014, 04:11:53 PM
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on July 06, 2014, 04:04:22 PM
Not like Marty Duffy to be the centre of attention! :-X
what did he do now
any video links for this one
Listen to BBC Radio Ulster. Going by them, Armagh had a great shout for a penalty which was turned down, then Monaghan went straight up the field and goaled, with a possible foul in the process - push in the back.
Nudie Hughes did give a few chuckles about the no penalty decision,
'I've seen them given' he says.
Just tuned in to Radio Ulster online and they're talking about Ulster Scots?
How can I get the match?
Is it not on wiziwig?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 06, 2014, 04:21:11 PM
Just tuned in to Radio Ulster online and they're talking about Ulster Scots?
How can I get the match?
Is it not on wiziwig?
That Ulster Scot program is indeed riveting but no sign of a GAA match there.
You can always tune into Northern Sound, main attraction is no Michael Tynan.
Is Jamie Clarke being well held?
Yer man on Nr Sound doesn't sound that different than yer man talking in Ulster Scots :o
Sounds like it will be Armagh v Tyrone next Sunday then. Is that right? In Omagh?
What time will it be at?
Only messing lads? Still a long way to go.
Rory Beggan with tap over from 50m out, to put Monaghan 6 points clear with 30mins left.
Even when Rory drops one short, it still leads to a point.
still 6 points ahead about 20 minutes left
Will Armagh even bother coming to Omagh or do they want to give Tyrone a 'by'? :)
Northern Sound went silent ((crashed) with about 10 minutes to go, just as Monaghan were about to quell a mini Armagh revival.
Latest score?
The latest score before NS crashed was Monaghan 4 points ahead and Finlay was with a golden point scoring opportunity.
An RTE update puts Monaghan 6 points ahead.
Must be time for Monaghan to fanny about with the ball and let Armagh back in the game.
RTE official announcement
Result: Monaghan 1-18 Armagh 1-13. Monaghan to play Donegal in the Ulster final on 20 July. Armagh to face Tyrone in qualifiers next weekend.
Thanks Main Street -- good luck in the Ulster final
Thanks, it didn't sound like Armagh were in the game after their goal, but your team will have had a good workout and well able for the challenge of Tyrone.
Just you cannot have any lingering hangover effects from this championship exit, 6 days allows no time to mope.
Just in from Clones, Marty Duffy is a ****. Well done Monaghan.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on July 06, 2014, 06:32:57 PM
Just in from Clones, Marty Duffy is a ****. Well done Monaghan.
Couldn't understand how we were lumbered with him twice in the one championship season, are the GAA trying to punish us for the media ban. Some of his decisions today were a joke but that's par for the course with him.
Duffy was a gob****e. Still didnt effect the result, monaghan were the far superior team.
Beaten all over the field, match over after Monaghan got the goal. Hard to see avoiding a hiding in Omagh
Quote from: JP on July 06, 2014, 07:14:37 PM
Duffy was a gob****e. Still didnt effect the result, monaghan were the far superior team.
No arguing that Monaghan deserved the win, but Duffy continues to get big games and yet most counties seem to dread getting him. Figure that one out.
Armagh were exposed today and effectively looked beaten at half time. A bit unfair to have to face Tyrone within 6 days and I fear what the score might be now given the quick turnaround and the deflation following todays result.
Far better Monaghan display with everyone upping their game. McManus a class act and still only 75% if that. Thought he got away with a wee nudie nudge for the goal. Couldn't see the peno incident too far away. First black card in front of me and thought on first look it wasn't, more of a collision.
Dick having some year. Dessie and mcgeeney had some slagging match on front if Gerry Arthur's in first half.
Good day.
Very poor performance by Duffy. I was neutral bout I thought Armagh got nothing from him; def pouch by McManus for the goal and it came after a possible penalty incident at the far end. Can't say if it was a peon from where I was but the goal should have been a free out.
Armagh were shocking; tactics were poor - two sweepers which didn't work and unable to get quality ball into Clarke and Carragher. Ran a few in the 2nd half but looked headless.
Monaghan on top in all sectors without being overly impressive. Keep McManus quiet and Donegal will be home and dry.
Much better display today by Monaghan. Backs were tighter. Hughes and clerkin did well. And up front McManus was class. Hope Kieran isn't too badly injured as he was still a handful on one leg. Improvement needed again to take on Donegal but it's the first time Monaghan have reached back to back Ulster finals in over 80 years apparently
Monaghan looked a good bit better than Armagh, but a 5 point win, considering the chances Armagh threw away... it could have been a lot closer, and the number of balls they dropped into Beggan's hands was criminal. There were also a few goal-mouth scrambles that could have gone either way.
Finlay and Gollogly well worth their starting places. Another good one from Cletkin, Beggan and D Hughes. McManus was great. Good to see Doogan at the end - I was a bit worried when D Hughes went down at the start, given our lack of midfield cover, so good to have Doogan back.
Fair play Monaghan you improved immensely from last weekend.
I thought you guys were comfortably the better side.
Disappointed from an Armagh perspective in that a lot of our players didn't show up.
To cap it all it really was a shocking display by Duffy as ref,
The penalty shout and goal straight after were a six point turnaround .
If the gaa are serious about standards they should look at some of the clowns refereeing championship matches.
Happy with the win of course and to have been spared groundhog day with the Tyronies next week. Armagh have some impressive players, particularly the big lad in midfield.
The half forward line needed to really up their game, having been so poor last week and so they did. Finlay made a big difference - you'd have to ask why he wasn't given decent game time before now. He was one of our best players in the league. Gallogly was very good also.
I was behind the goal when McManus bagged it and didn't notice any push. None of the Armagh supporters around me called it.
It was a good hard fought contest that will bring Monaghan on big time.
Monaghan were the best team today, no argument, they learnt more from the drawn game. They had more scoring threat than armagh, and we have massif job to lift boys for nxt week!
But as few here have already said, duffys performance today was nothing short of disgraceful! How he missd ALL the big calls is shameful! Mcmanus clearly pulled armagh player to the ground 5mins in and duffy had a word with him but didn't give the black, clearly afraid after covrage mcmanus' black got last week. Then theres the peno claims, esp the 1 before monaghans goal, which itself was a push in the back! Armagh got a few frees in sympathy when the game was out of sight, but this clown should never be allowd near a senior chsmpionship again!
But good luck to monaghan in the final, at times today you reminded me of armagh in the early 00's in that we learnt from drawn games and upped the intensity for today, and you controlled the game for long periods which was very impressive, but you will need hughes for the final, he was clearly struggling today.
Quote from: Bingo on July 06, 2014, 08:03:25 PM
Far better Monaghan display with everyone upping their game. McManus a class act and still only 75% if that. Thought he got away with a wee nudie nudge for the goal. Couldn't see the peno incident too far away. First black card in front of me and thought on first look it wasn't, more of a collision.
Dick having some year. Dessie and mcgeeney had some slagging match on front if Gerry Arthur's in first half.
Good day.
Glad to see that my orange blinkers were not wrong. First black card was right in front of me and I thought it very harsh. Morgan was definitely fouled as McManus tried to get space for goal. He then looked very nervous. Will learn from that.
On saying that Monaghan took some excellent scores and deserved to win. For Armagh the lack of match fitness for Donaghy and Forker really showed. The Raffertys were really missed and the disciplinary omission of a couple of players at the start of the year means options on the bench are more limited. On the bright side Findon looks as if he has the makings of a midfielder.
Best of luck to Monaghan in final. Just hope Armagh do not get embarrassed next week.
Quote from: orange on July 06, 2014, 09:38:01 PM
Then theres the peno claims, esp the 1 before monaghans goal, which itself was a push in the back!
The penalty chance came from a sideline ball awarded to Armagh that clearly was an incorrect call. Ironically Monaghan mightn't have broken down the field for the goal if they'd been correctly awarded the sideline in the first place.
The only positive from today for Armagh was the ladies winning - there was nothing to take away from the second game. Tactically Monaghan won out by getting their half forward line much more involved around the middle and in for the breaking ball, which left them with more space up front and the likes of McManus in more one on one situations this week. But individually Monaghan players pretty much won all their personal duels all over the pitch. Players that stood out for Armagh last week had poor games today, and Monaghan's underperformers last week improved a lot. The players that were suspended and came back for Armagh were very poor which points the finger at management for not sticking with the team that finished last week. Armagh finished the game a shapeless mess with forwards playing as full backs and full backs playing in the forward line. That for me was the dispiriting thing rather than the result. Monaghan were 10 points plus a better team today. One step forward for Armagh the past few weeks and 2 steps back today. Tyrone will be licking their lips for next week - it's their's to lose basically. Well done Monaghan, should be a good tussle with Donegal.
Have to say, couldn't see any push for Monaghan's goal. Defender was far too far in front.
There was a clear push in the back of Morgan, I think it was, by McManus. I was directly in line with it. Should have been a free out no question, I watched the Sunday Game to see their take on it & whether there should have been an Armagh penalty shortly before as I was too far away to pass judgement. They showed neither.
Was very disappointed with Armagh today, I seriously can't pick out a player who won their personal battle today (whatever role they were given). Monaghan bossed the game from start to finish and we lived of their scraps. McManus is one of the best forwards in Ireland and showed his class today but he has good players around him too and I hope Monaghan can beat Donegal in the final...good luck lads.
As for Armagh... Where do u start? Why did we look so lethargic and heavy legged today? We have to play Grugan in hf line for scores as i believe the hf line is our worst line. We have no scoring threat there at all and J Clarke will win his battle against the best defenders in ff line but he cant do it on his own. My worst fears are coming true and to exit the Championship next week in Omagh is just too much to bear, we have a woeful record against Tyrone and with 6-7 days to prepare it certainly does not look good...
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 06, 2014, 11:30:42 PM
Have to say, couldn't see any push for Monaghan's goal. Defender was far too far in front.
The embarrassed defender didn't complain either, probably would have preferred the ground to swallow him up, Duffy had no decision to make on that one.
Quote from: Main Street on July 06, 2014, 11:57:01 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 06, 2014, 11:30:42 PM
Have to say, couldn't see any push for Monaghan's goal. Defender was far too far in front.
The embarrassed defender didn't complain either, probably would have preferred the ground to swallow him up, Duffy had no decision to make on that one.
Seen from behind the goals: Armagh defender misreads the flight of the ball, McManus catches. Armagh defender doesn't rugby tackle him, McManus rattles the net. McManus responds to the verbals he was getting from the start of the game.
No harm to you lads but McManus pushed Morgan without doubt. He had a hold of his jersey around the shoulder area and pushed him firmly just as Hughes turned to kick the ball in. That is why the defender was a yard in front of him. He got away with it. Good luck to him. As for Armagh not complaining. McKeever had a stern word with Duffy on the way off at half time. Also for any team with Dessie Mone on it to complain about verbals is a bit much.
On a slightly different note I feel the media ban is not helping Armagh at all. In yesterday's Irish News Paddy Heaney continued his attack on Armagh suggesting to Kieran Hughes that he would hope to get more protection from referee this week. That despite Hughes having no complaints and his marker, Vernon, probably being one of the cleanest defenders in Ulster. Then today Monaghan manage to get a couple of soft frees in front of goals for off the ball fouls. This week Armagh will need to get the word out that Clarke needs more protection.
I would love to see Monaghan win in two weeks and I know Armagh will have a few Monaghan men in Omagh next week cheering them on.
The alleged Monaghan media ban wasn't followed too closely, there was an interview with Dessie Mone broadcast on Northern Sound before the game and some other interview with another player, elsewhere.
Seeing as Tyrone are not as strong as Monaghan, if a few things go Armagh's way next week, they will be much more competitive. Consistency though is another issue.
Quote from: Throw ball on July 07, 2014, 12:23:51 AM
No harm to you lads but McManus pushed Morgan without doubt. He had a hold of his jersey around the shoulder area and pushed him firmly just as Hughes turned to kick the ball in. That is why the defender was a yard in front of him. He got away with it. Good luck to him. As for Armagh not complaining. McKeever had a stern word with Duffy on the way off at half time. Also for any team with Dessie Mone on it to complain about verbals is a bit much.
On a slightly different note I feel the media ban is not helping Armagh at all. In yesterday's Irish News Paddy Heaney continued his attack on Armagh suggesting to Kieran Hughes that he would hope to get more protection from referee this week. That despite Hughes having no complaints and his marker, Vernon, probably being one of the cleanest defenders in Ulster. Then today Monaghan manage to get a couple of soft frees in front of goals for off the ball fouls. This week Armagh will need to get the word out that Clarke needs more protection.
To be fair to Duffy, he blew frees against both teams for off the ball fouls against forwards.
I'm glad others have picked up on the push for the Monaghan goal, I thought I had been seeing things. Not that it would have had any bearing on the end result - Monaghan far and away the better side.
Armagh had chances to make a better contest of it and fluffed these. A lot of misplaced passes and wrong options taken especially up front. The ease at which Monaghan were able to waltz up the field and pick off scores was particularly worrying.
Call me an eternal optimist but I still think Armagh can get a result in Omagh. It's a case of getting yesterday out of the system and going at Tyrone. Nothing to lose, fans won't give the team a chance and neither will the media. The beating in the McKenna cup should earlier this year should act as some motivation, not that any should be needed against that lot.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on July 06, 2014, 11:54:47 PM
There was a clear push in the back of Morgan, I think it was, by McManus. I was directly in line with it. Should have been a free out no question, I watched the Sunday Game to see their take on it & whether there should have been an Armagh penalty shortly before as I was too far away to pass judgement. They showed neither.
Only saw the highlights last night and straight away I noticed the push in the back, rewinded back a few times and it was clear as day.
I had to listen to the match on the radio. From what I could tell, Dyas got about two touches of the ball during the whole game.
Is that acurate? Did Monaghan man-mark him out?
Was strange yesterday - Monaghan never really looked in trouble or like they could lose the game. Seemed like they had the bit extra and were working really hard to put themselves in that position. This was particularly evident in second half.
But when you look back with the penalty, Armagh's missed chances especially from dead balls, the game should have been a lot closer.
I was worried when McKeever paired off with Jap, thought his running with the ball would hurt Monaghan and he'd have too much for Jap. But I think O'Rourke got it perfect, he was happy enough to let McKeever carry the ball forward but he had little end product in that he can't shoot and he was going to places where Monaghan where camped out waiting on him. When it did break down then, Jap was often the outlet to take the ball from defence to attack. He started slow enough but as game wore on he got to grips with the pace and played a big part.
Monaghan played much more as a team and they all handled the ball much more than the last day, where play was forced and some players where playing for themselves.
Badly needed break next weekend to recover before the Donegal game.
Much greater commitment and energy, 2 subs, no black cards, a mighty goal and kiked 18pts (by 8 different players by my reckoning). I was impressed by MOR in giving each defender a second crack at it, whereas other managers may have shook things up, shows confidence in the players. We could and should have been further ahead at half time however...
I was concerned about the McKeever/Finlay match up but it worked in that McKeever had to track Finlay whereas last week McKeever was being tracked.. Finlay done well, it's great to see him back in the team. I thought Paudie McKenna came into the game well as it wore on and performed the sweeper roll effectively. McManus is nearing his best again which is great to see.. I hope K Hughes is fit for the final as he's a handful for any full-back. I thought Darren started very well but seemed to fade as the game wore on; I think this may have been partly to do with the change of kick out tactic i.e. Beggan seemed to kick short in the latter stages.
All in all a good team performance. Looking forward to the final...
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Quote from: Harold Disgracey on July 06, 2014, 11:54:47 PM
There was a clear push in the back of Morgan, I think it was, by McManus. I was directly in line with it. Should have been a free out no question, I watched the Sunday Game to see their take on it & whether there should have been an Armagh penalty shortly before as I was too far away to pass judgement. They showed neither.
Only saw the highlights last night and straight away I noticed the push in the back, rewinded back a few times and it was clear as day.
Only saw the highlights as well but looked like a fairly clear push. Didn't affect the result but you'd prefer if the officials were getting these big calls correct
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 07, 2014, 03:01:01 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 07, 2014, 08:49:06 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on July 06, 2014, 11:54:47 PM
There was a clear push in the back of Morgan, I think it was, by McManus. I was directly in line with it. Should have been a free out no question, I watched the Sunday Game to see their take on it & whether there should have been an Armagh penalty shortly before as I was too far away to pass judgement. They showed neither.
Only saw the highlights last night and straight away I noticed the push in the back, rewinded back a few times and it was clear as day.
Only saw the highlights as well but looked like a fairly clear push. Didn't affect the result but you'd prefer if the officials were getting these big calls correct
Where you get your clarity from I don't know. but it's not from watching the rte highlights.
If there was one thing clear in the highlights, was that by the time camera caught up with the flight of the ball, McManus had the ball and was galloping towards goal and the Armagh defender with hands up, was still trying to catch fresh air.
if McManus did give him a nudge, the camera didn't catch it from any angle.
Quote from: Main Street on July 07, 2014, 03:52:59 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 07, 2014, 03:01:01 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 07, 2014, 08:49:06 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on July 06, 2014, 11:54:47 PM
There was a clear push in the back of Morgan, I think it was, by McManus. I was directly in line with it. Should have been a free out no question, I watched the Sunday Game to see their take on it & whether there should have been an Armagh penalty shortly before as I was too far away to pass judgement. They showed neither.
Only saw the highlights last night and straight away I noticed the push in the back, rewinded back a few times and it was clear as day.
Only saw the highlights as well but looked like a fairly clear push. Didn't affect the result but you'd prefer if the officials were getting these big calls correct
Where you get your clarity from I don't know. but it's not from watching the rte highlights.
If there was one thing clear in the highlights, was that by the time camera caught up with the flight of the ball, McManus had the ball and was galloping towards goal and the Armagh defender with hands up, was still trying to catch fresh air.
if McManus did give him a nudge, the camera didn't catch it from any angle.
+1 I could see nothing on the RTE highlights.
No sign of this phantom push shown on the Sunday Game. Seems like Armagh fans are just desperate to save a small bit of face.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 07, 2014, 07:35:21 PM
No sign of this phantom push shown on the Sunday Game. Seems like Armagh fans are just desperate to save a small bit of face.
There was no sign of the black cards either. They mustn't have happened either.
Quote from: Throw ball on July 07, 2014, 08:22:32 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 07, 2014, 07:35:21 PM
No sign of this phantom push shown on the Sunday Game. Seems like Armagh fans are just desperate to save a small bit of face.
There was no sign of the black cards either. They mustn't have happened either.
I think you've missed the point. The goal was shown and nothing in the Sunday Game footage suggested a push. I rewound it a few times to see, like others. Previous posters are saying that the push was clear to see - not the case.
We'll see if TG4 show now on has another angle.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 06, 2014, 11:30:42 PM
Have to say, couldn't see any push for Monaghan's goal. Defender was far too far in front.
Defender wasn't too far in front until McManus pushed him there- and it was obvious to me sitting about 80 metres from the incident so no excuse for the ref to not see it.
Quote from: jmk on July 07, 2014, 08:46:47 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 06, 2014, 11:30:42 PM
Have to say, couldn't see any push for Monaghan's goal. Defender was far too far in front.
Defender wasn't too far in front until McManus pushed him there- and it was obvious to me sitting about 80 metres from the incident so no excuse for the ref to not see it.
No mention of a push in The Irish News coverage, none of the Armagh supporters behind the goal called it, less than 30 meters away. No appeal from the 'pushed' player. One Armagh poster with bionic hearing said that McKeever raised it with the ref at half time. The first I heard of this push was on this board today.
Quote from: babarino on July 07, 2014, 08:57:11 PM
Quote from: jmk on July 07, 2014, 08:46:47 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 06, 2014, 11:30:42 PM
Have to say, couldn't see any push for Monaghan's goal. Defender was far too far in front.
Defender wasn't too far in front until McManus pushed him there- and it was obvious to me sitting about 80 metres from the incident so no excuse for the ref to not see it.
No mention of a push in The Irish News coverage, none of the Armagh supporters behind the goal called it, less than 30 meters away. No appeal from the 'pushed' player. One Armagh poster with bionic hearing said that McKeever raised it with the ref at half time. The first I heard of this push was on this board today.
Not really surprising that. Look, there's not one Monaghan supporter on this thread who's going to say they saw it, so we'll agree to disagree.
Quote from: Armamike on July 07, 2014, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: babarino on July 07, 2014, 08:57:11 PM
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Quote from: Maguire01 on July 06, 2014, 11:30:42 PM
Have to say, couldn't see any push for Monaghan's goal. Defender was far too far in front.
Defender wasn't too far in front until McManus pushed him there- and it was obvious to me sitting about 80 metres from the incident so no excuse for the ref to not see it.
No mention of a push in The Irish News coverage, none of the Armagh supporters behind the goal called it, less than 30 meters away. No appeal from the 'pushed' player. One Armagh poster with bionic hearing said that McKeever raised it with the ref at half time. The first I heard of this push was on this board today.
Not really surprising that. Look, there's not one Monaghan supporter on this thread who's going to say they saw it, so we'll agree to disagree.
Possibly because none of them did see it. I'd have no problem saying it if I saw it. Its not like it would make any difference.
But I've seen the highlights and no sign of a push.
I've read numerous reviews in several papers / websites and no mention of a push.
No reaction from the Armagh player in question and no objection from any of the other players.
No mention of it from the Armagh camp post-game...
Anyway, it's all academic.
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Quote from: Armamike on July 07, 2014, 09:52:08 PM
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Quote from: Maguire01 on July 06, 2014, 11:30:42 PM
Have to say, couldn't see any push for Monaghan's goal. Defender was far too far in front.
Defender wasn't too far in front until McManus pushed him there- and it was obvious to me sitting about 80 metres from the incident so no excuse for the ref to not see it.
No mention of a push in The Irish News coverage, none of the Armagh supporters behind the goal called it, less than 30 meters away. No appeal from the 'pushed' player. One Armagh poster with bionic hearing said that McKeever raised it with the ref at half time. The first I heard of this push was on this board today.
Not really surprising that. Look, there's not one Monaghan supporter on this thread who's going to say they saw it, so we'll agree to disagree.
Possibly because none of them did see it. I'd have no problem saying it if I saw it. Its not like it would make any difference.
But I've seen the highlights and no sign of a push.
I've read numerous reviews in several papers / websites and no mention of a push.
No reaction from the Armagh player in question and no objection from any of the other players.
No mention of it from the Armagh camp post-game...
Anyway, it's all academic.
You didn't see it in the highlights because there was only 1 camera recording the match and the push had already happened before the camera picked McManus up
Quote from: Bingo on July 06, 2014, 08:03:25 PM
Far better Monaghan display with everyone upping their game. McManus a class act and still only 75% if that. Thought he got away with a wee nudie nudge for the goal. Couldn't see the peno incident too far away. First black card in front of me and thought on first look it wasn't, more of a collision.
Dick having some year. Dessie and mcgeeney had some slagging match on front if Gerry Arthur's in first half.
Good day.
Thought I would repost this from a Monaghan supporter earlier in the thread. The Irish News also mentioned it in the player ratings. I saw it quite clearly myself. The camera did not catch it does not mean it did not happen before the camera got there. The player did not complain because it would make damn all difference.
As for my bionic ears I saw McKeever speak to the referee at half time. He was definitely complaining about something. Finlay went over to make sure he was not trying to influence the referee I would surmise.
Some Monaghan posters must have a serious inferiority complex. They win a match and everyone agrees they are the better team yet they try to suggest Armagh supporters are not being truthful.
The Monaghan supporters sitting beside me in the Pat McGrane saw it, all bar one foul mouthed auld bollix who was obsessed with Ciaran McKeever.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on July 07, 2014, 10:30:25 PM
The Monaghan supporters sitting beside me in the Pat McGrane saw it, all bar one foul mouthed auld bollix who was obsessed with Ciaran McKeever.
Fair enough, maybe there was 'contact'.
By the way, it sounds like the same 'foul mouthed auld bollix' that was sitting close by at the Monaghan v Down league game in Pairc Esler. He was obsessed with ref Cormac Reilly that game. If I'm unfortunate to find myself near him again I'm going to get moved.
Quote from: jmk on July 07, 2014, 10:15:34 PM
You didn't see it in the highlights because there was only 1 camera recording the match and the push had already happened before the camera picked McManus up
Quote from: Throw ball on July 07, 2014, 10:28:05 PM
The camera did not catch it does not mean it did not happen before the camera got there.
Lads, i'm not overly concerned either way, but raised the point about seeing nothing on The Sunday Game primarily because of posts like these:
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 07, 2014, 08:49:06 AM
Only saw the highlights last night and straight away I noticed the push in the back, rewinded back a few times and it was clear as day.
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 07, 2014, 03:01:01 PM
Only saw the highlights as well but looked like a fairly clear push.
So do we have people seeing things on the Sunday Game when they weren't even picked up on camera?
Guys
Monaghan were the better side but their goal came from a shove which a good referee would have seen.
Moving on hopefully Armagh will learn from the game and develope akin to what happened in 1998 against Derry in clones
As for Monaghan I really hope they can do 2 in a row
Decent people .
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 07, 2014, 10:45:50 PM
Quote from: jmk on July 07, 2014, 10:15:34 PM
You didn't see it in the highlights because there was only 1 camera recording the match and the push had already happened before the camera picked McManus up
Quote from: Throw ball on July 07, 2014, 10:28:05 PM
The camera did not catch it does not mean it did not happen before the camera got there.
Lads, i'm not overly concerned either way, but raised the point about seeing nothing on The Sunday Game primarily because of posts like these:
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 07, 2014, 08:49:06 AM
Only saw the highlights last night and straight away I noticed the push in the back, rewinded back a few times and it was clear as day.
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 07, 2014, 03:01:01 PM
Only saw the highlights as well but looked like a fairly clear push.
So do we have people seeing things on the Sunday Game when they weren't even picked up on camera?
Watched the Sunday game again tonight to have another look at it and I'm fairly sure you can see the left hand on the Armagh player's back just as they come into shot. That combined with the forward movement of the back makes it a fairly clear push for me
Quote from: naka on July 07, 2014, 10:48:29 PM
Guys
Monaghan were the better side but their goal came from a shove which a good referee would have seen.
I wouldn't necessarily be a fan of Duffy, but if he did miss something here, I wouldn't say that makes him a bad ref. If there was a push, it was away from play and some distance from where the ref would have been. If McManus had his hand on the defender's back, then the defender was standing between the ref and any contact. He surely can't be looking everywhere at the same time? It's one thing when a ref misses something blatant in front of his eyes, but it's a bit too easy to criticise him out for something most of us didn't even see on camera.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 07, 2014, 11:06:43 PM
Quote from: naka on July 07, 2014, 10:48:29 PM
Guys
Monaghan were the better side but their goal came from a shove which a good referee would have seen.
I wouldn't necessarily be a fan of Duffy, but if he did miss something here, I wouldn't say that makes him a bad ref. If there was a push, it was away from play and some distance from where the ref would have been. If McManus had his hand on the defender's back, then the defender was standing between the ref and any contact. He surely can't be looking everywhere at the same time? It's one thing when a ref misses something blatant in front of his eyes, but it's a bit too easy to criticise him out for something most of us didn't even see on camera.
You really have to pause it down, frame by frame to see a slight touch from McManus, possibly causing McEvoy to go forward a cm or 2.
McEvoy had misjudged the flight and was too far forward and McManus had his arm out creating and protecting his own space .
There is no hand on the back rule in GAA. Players are allowed to have contact with their opposition.
The advantage McManus got was so slight that it was not seen as a foul, it was the type of contact that Francie Bellew would be rolling over in his football retirement grave if he had misjudged the flight of that ball and allowed McManus to stake and protect an acre of space before catching the ball cleanly.
If such contact was a foul in GAA, a game would be stopped about 300 times, starting right from the throw in.
Sorry Main Street we will agree to differ
The ref fked up it was a free and I also thought that toner should have had a penalty
But more importantly good luck in the final