I think we will get a good price on Armagh for this game and we are not near as bad as our league form suggests, I think we will beat Cavan by 2-3 Pt's in this game and dish out some revenge...whats your thoughts
Quote from: illdecide on May 07, 2014, 10:45:29 AM
I think we will get a good price on Armagh for this game and we are not near as bad as our league form suggests, I think we will beat Cavan by 2-3 Pt's in this game and dish out some revenge...whats your thoughts
We are a division 3 team next year who have regressed in recent years with very little fresh talent coming through. Cavan are a division 2 team next year who have had an abundance of fresh talent coming through having won 4 in a row U21 UC. Yes, we are at home but with Armagh having a recent history of failing to cope with a defensive team, I can't see us winning this one. Cavan to win this in a low scoring encounter.
Who'll pick up Mackey this year? He caused you's serious bother last year!
Mackey could actually be doubtful, got a knock last weekend against Galway in a challenge game.
Its anyones guess who will pick up Mackey, we have not had a settled side all league particularly in defence. I'd expect the half back line to be Aaron Kernan, Ciaran McKeever and Mark Shields with Shields possibly picking up Mackey but thats guess work at the minute. Thats presuming all 3 are fit, which is doubtful as well. Dunne and Keating and the exposure of the full back line were actually a bigger issue last year. That was more down to the naive tactics and system deployed than individual players getting destroyed. I wouldn't expect us to make the same mistake again tactically but there is a certain lack of belief in the county team at the minute.
It is difficult to know what sort of team Armagh will line out against Cavan due to injuries during the league but I will have a guess anyway....
1 - McEvoy
2 - Morgan (picking up Dunn)
3 - Toner
4 - Murray
5 - Shields
6 - McKeever
7 - AMallon (picking up Mackey)
8 - Harold
9 - ERafferty
10 - CRafferty
11 - Dyas
12 - TKernan
13 - Clarke
14 - Campbell
15 - Forker
I'm presuming Donaghy, BMallon and AKernan will miss out because of injury. AForker injured. Grugan and Moriarty will probaly be pushing for places.
Cavan should be winning this if they have progressed from last year. I would imagine the odds will be something like Armagh 8/13 and Cavan 13/8.
Quote from: regal on May 07, 2014, 11:29:00 AM
It is difficult to know what sort of team Armagh will line out against Cavan due to injuries during the league but I will have a guess anyway....
1 - McEvoy
2 - Morgan (picking up Dunn)
3 - Toner
4 - Murray
5 - Shields
6 - McKeever
7 - AMallon (picking up Mackey)
8 - Harold
9 - ERafferty
10 - CRafferty
11 - Dyas
12 - TKernan
13 - Clarke
14 - Campbell
15 - Forker
I'm presuming Donaghy, BMallon and AKernan will miss out because of injury. AForker injured. Grugan and Moriarty will probaly be pushing for places.
Cavan should be winning this if they have progressed from last year. I would imagine the odds will be something like Armagh 8/13 and Cavan 13/8.
Thats not too far off what I'd expect, certainly from midfield up I'd agree with. The defence is the main problem, and I would be very surprised if Toner is played at full back. Cavan will probably play with 2 inside forwards so its more likely that we have 2 specialist man markers on Keating and Dunne. I'd choose Mallon & Morgan for those roles.
Cavan will beat us by 2 or 3 points. They have a method of playing which is hard to break down, and been playing that way for over a year. We are a shambles.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 07, 2014, 11:11:20 AM
Quote from: illdecide on May 07, 2014, 10:45:29 AM
I think we will get a good price on Armagh for this game and we are not near as bad as our league form suggests, I think we will beat Cavan by 2-3 Pt's in this game and dish out some revenge...whats your thoughts
We are a division 3 team next year who have regressed in recent years with very little fresh talent coming through. Cavan are a division 2 team next year who have had an abundance of fresh talent coming through having won 4 in a row U21 UC. Yes, we are at home but with Armagh having a recent history of failing to cope with a defensive team, I can't see us winning this one. Cavan to win this in a low scoring encounter.
I disagree...We had bad luck in games and with injuries to key players, i think we'd have been comfortable in the Div otherwise. We def owe them one and now a few players are back full training we will be a lot stronger for June 8th.
This could go down to tactics from the sideline and as someone mentioned i hope we've learned from last year, the worrying thing for me during the Donegal game was McGeeney stood 30m away from Grimley almost the whole match and when the final whistle went McGeeney walked straight past Grimley and up the tunnel whilst Grimely walked onto the pitch to the players!!! why was there little to none consultation between the two during the game? and why did McGeeney walk straight up the tunnel after the game?.
Anyway my team for Cavan will be...
1 - McEvoy
2 - Morgan
3 - Donaghy
4 - A Mallon
5 - Shields
6 - McKeever
7 - Murray (possibly Finn Mo...i know he fouls a lot but could do a stopping job out the field)
8 - Harold
9 - E Rafferty
10 - C Rafferty
11 - Dyas
12 - T Kernan
13 - Clarke
14 - Campbell
15 - McParland
Bench...which is stronger than it normally is
Finn Mo
Vernon
Forker
A Kernan (Possibly if fit)
McVerry
Tasker
McCooey
Morgan is a tight corner back, missed the Cavan game last year I think . Did he play in any of the League this year? Andy Mallon back this year after a year out, 2 decent corner backs
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 07, 2014, 12:54:55 PM
Morgan is a tight corner back, missed the Cavan game last year I think . Did he play in any of the League this year? Andy Mallon back this year after a year out, 2 decent corner backs
Morgan suffered injuries in a bad car accident last year and hasw only recently returned to playing club football. If he is back to full fitness he is the best man marker on the squad at present I'd say.
Illdecide, McParland isn't on the panel. Looks like Aaron will miss this game. Great news that Morgan and Mckeever are back playing and if Donaghy is fit then we have the strongest Armagh defence in a very long time.
Morgan - Donaghy - Murray
Shields - McKeever - Mallon
it has to be Harold and Ethan in the middle.
T.Kernan - Dyas - C.Rafferty
Jamie - Campbell - An other
Hard to know who will start in the corner, noone has really made the jersey their own during the league
It is imperative that a plan to beat the blanket is put in place. It will be a tight game and i'd be hopeful rather than optimistic of a positive result.
Quote from: illdecide on May 07, 2014, 12:24:25 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 07, 2014, 11:11:20 AM
Quote from: illdecide on May 07, 2014, 10:45:29 AM
I think we will get a good price on Armagh for this game and we are not near as bad as our league form suggests, I think we will beat Cavan by 2-3 Pt's in this game and dish out some revenge...whats your thoughts
We are a division 3 team next year who have regressed in recent years with very little fresh talent coming through. Cavan are a division 2 team next year who have had an abundance of fresh talent coming through having won 4 in a row U21 UC. Yes, we are at home but with Armagh having a recent history of failing to cope with a defensive team, I can't see us winning this one. Cavan to win this in a low scoring encounter.
I disagree...We had bad luck in games and with injuries to key players, i think we'd have been comfortable in the Div otherwise. We def owe them one and now a few players are back full training we will be a lot stronger for June 8th.
This could go down to tactics from the sideline and as someone mentioned i hope we've learned from last year, the worrying thing for me during the Donegal game was McGeeney stood 30m away from Grimley almost the whole match and when the final whistle went McGeeney walked straight past Grimley and up the tunnel whilst Grimely walked onto the pitch to the players!!! why was there little to none consultation between the two during the game? and why did McGeeney walk straight up the tunnel after the game?.
Anyway my team for Cavan will be...
1 - McEvoy
2 - Morgan
3 - Donaghy
4 - A Mallon
5 - Shields
6 - McKeever
7 - Murray (possibly Finn Mo...i know he fouls a lot but could do a stopping job out the field)
8 - Harold
9 - E Rafferty
10 - C Rafferty
11 - Dyas
12 - T Kernan
13 - Clarke
14 - Campbell
15 - McParland
Bench...which is stronger than it normally is
Finn Mo
Vernon
Forker
A Kernan (Possibly if fit)
McVerry
Tasker
McCooey
Because McGeeney is a clown and Grimley is an even bigger clown?
Quote from: ardchieftain on May 07, 2014, 02:32:06 PM
Illdecide, McParland isn't on the panel. Looks like Aaron will miss this game. Great news that Morgan and Mckeever are back playing and if Donaghy is fit then we have the strongest Armagh defence in a very long time.
Morgan - Donaghy - Murray
Shields - McKeever - Mallon
it has to be Harold and Ethan in the middle.
T.Kernan - Dyas - C.Rafferty
Jamie - Campbell - An other
Hard to know who will start in the corner, noone has really made the jersey their own during the league
It is imperative that a plan to beat the blanket is put in place. It will be a tight game and i'd be hopeful rather than optimistic of a positive result.
Sorry...mean't his Nab team mate Grugan :-[
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 07, 2014, 11:20:44 AM
Mackey could actually be doubtful, got a knock last weekend against Galway in a challenge game.
Are you sure you don't mean Keating, he went off injured holding his hamstring according to the celt.
Its a conspiracy
Armagh GAA has stated that the match is not on TV. I think the late throw in may have something to do with confirmation in Armagh.
As for the game I am with Illdecide on this. I feel Armagh are not as bad as people think. They do struggle against a packed defence though. If injury free I would fancy Armagh at home. Will be close.
Quote from: Throw ball on May 07, 2014, 07:08:37 PM
Armagh GAA has stated that the match is not on TV. I think the late throw in may have something to do with confirmation in Armagh.
Aye, Confirmation is on at two.
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Quote from: drici on May 07, 2014, 07:22:30 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on May 07, 2014, 07:08:37 PM
Armagh GAA has stated that the match is not on TV. I think the late throw in may have something to do with confirmation in Armagh.
Aye, Confirmation is on at two.
Has this been confirmed?
I believe Cavan have the better players and better management team. Does that mean they will win, not necessarily. However, if we play to our potential we will win in my opinion.
Cavan will win by 3/4 points
Armagh still haven't worked out how to breakdown the mass defence.
Quote from: naka on May 07, 2014, 10:06:34 PM
Cavan will win by 3/4 points
Armagh still haven't worked out how to breakdown the mass defence.
From what I've seen so far this year, Armagh haven't worked out diddly squat.
News from the camp is that Grimley has found the game plan used last year against Wicklow and Longford. It had fell down the back of a radiator!
Cavan... be afraid.... be very afraid
I don't want to contradict myself here as i believe we will beat Cavan but there is a fine line in management when a game is close and introducing a sub or a positional change can swing it either your way or for the opposition but when a team has consistently thrown away games over a certain period under different managers then surly more responsibility should be placed on the players and not the management. I don't believe Grimley is a bad manager (yes he's made a few mistakes but who hasn't) and he'll get it right this year but if not does that mean all managers from JK stood down were useless???.
My own club has gone through something similar where we have been poor over the last 5-7 years and there has been 4 or 5 different managers in place and according to our supporters they've all been useless but no one ever takes time to think maybe we're just not good enough any more and the players are just not there...maybe the managers in the past weren't so bad afterall...
Quote from: illdecide on May 08, 2014, 02:57:48 PM
I don't want to contradict myself here as i believe we will beat Cavan but there is a fine line in management when a game is close and introducing a sub or a positional change can swing it either your way or for the opposition but when a team has consistently thrown away games over a certain period under different managers then surly more responsibility should be placed on the players and not the management. I don't believe Grimley is a bad manager (yes he's made a few mistakes but who hasn't) and he'll get it right this year but if not does that mean all managers from JK stood down were useless???.
My own club has gone through something similar where we have been poor over the last 5-7 years and there has been 4 or 5 different managers in place and according to our supporters they've all been useless but no one ever takes time to think maybe we're just not good enough any more and the players are just not there...maybe the managers in the past weren't so bad afterall...
Fair point. Do you mind me asking who your club are?
My Cavan team for this game would be
1. Farrelly (Fran proving too error prone)
2. Hayes
3. Rory Dunne
4. Killian Clarke
5. Feargal Flanagan
6. Alan Clarke
7. James McEnroe
8. Gearoid McKiernan
9. Damien O'Reilly
10. Michael Argue
11. Niall McDermott
12. Martin Reilly
13. Cian Mackey
14. Eugene Keating
15. Martin Dunne
I think this is our strongest 15. Terry is likely to start Gunner or Jack Brady but for me neither are good enough to oust anyone on that starting 15. Some decent options on the bench in McLoughlin, Moynagh, Givney, Lyng, McKeever, Tierney.
I think Armagh have been shown the way to beat us. They'll look to Monaghan and Roscommon's games against us. Get in Dunne's face, double up on Keating, choke Gearoid at midfield, play us at our own game and rely on taking a better percentage of chances up front than we will and they'll be confident they can get the win.
I posted my team over on the Cavan thread, this is what I thought at the time although I'd be fairly sure it wont line out like this. For me this is a very good team with a strong bench and more importantly than before everyone can kick a point from Half forward line on with exception of Killian Clarke and Alan Clarke. Fergal Flanagan is good for a point even from corner back.
Gilsenan - just about, he needs to improve his kick outs.
Fergal Flanagan - tight and can take a score.
R Dunne - Decent but no other option either
Hayes - solid
Moynagh - Need a ball player in the backs and can kick a score
Clarke - poor enough last day but is a leader
Damien Reilly - Can take a score, big, can field a high ball.
Killian Clarke - Defensive midfield
Gearoid - Attacking midifeld, good for a few points.
Argue - An option on kick outs, good for a few points, strong.
McDermott - Free taker, ball winner
Martin Reilly - Hard worker, good for a few points.
Mackey - free role out the field
Keating - Needs to make the right decisiion but can be unmarkable
Dunne - Free taker, on form could get you 4/5 points a game. Hopefully his form will return.
Maloney Derham , Mossy Corr, Dara McVeety, all had good games against Galway so they will be in the mix.
I believe only Killian Clarke, Argue, Moynagh, Farrelly and McVitty are in the senior panel from the u21s. Clarke is a definite to start. Argue might or he might be used from the bench. Could Farrelly dislodge Gilsenan? I don't think he will.
Its McVeety. Farrelly should dislodge Gilsenan as he is too error prone. But Gilsenan will probably get the nod
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 10, 2014, 10:48:06 AM
Its McVeety. Farrelly should dislodge Gilsenan as he is too error prone. But Gilsenan will probably get the nod
Thanks Rodney.
There is an apostrophe in "its", you should not start a sentence with a conjunction and you are missing a full stop after 'nod'. ;D
Thanks for the grammar lesson Myles, Getting a player's name right is easier though
Gona take a wild stab at the Armagh team, however, choosing 15 from the 19 current outfield players who are fit shall be quite a task
McEvoy
Morgan
Donaghy
Mallon
Kernan
McKeever
Shields
Harold
E. Rafferty
C. Raffert
Dyas
Kernan
Clarke
Forker
Campbell/Carragher
Which leaves the bench cosisting of Vernon, Toner, Moriorty, Campbell/Carragher, McCooey, B.Mallon
So yis will only have 4 sub's on the day? That's terrible, maybe Cavan could lend you a few sub's to make up the numbers.
At this rate, 4 would be lucky lol
They played Louth earlier in the week with 21 lads not playing
Quote from: our_fella on May 10, 2014, 02:12:35 PM
Gona take a wild stab at the Armagh team, however, choosing 15 from the 19 current outfield players who are fit shall be quite a task
McEvoy
Morgan
Donaghy
Mallon
Kernan
McKeever
Shields
Harold
E. Rafferty
C. Raffert
Dyas
Kernan
Clarke
Forker
Campbell/Carragher
Which leaves the bench cosisting of Vernon, Toner, Moriorty, Campbell/Carragher, McCooey, B.Mallon
If fit Campbell is nearly a certain starter.
Campbell has to start, if he has maintained his league form. Him and Clarke two dangerous men if the right ball is put in.
Quote from: our_fella on May 10, 2014, 03:21:55 PM
At this rate, 4 would be lucky lol
They played Louth earlier in the week with 21 lads not playing
How'd that game finish?
Quote from: general_lee on May 10, 2014, 05:33:26 PM
Campbell has to start, if he has maintained his league form. Him and Clarke two dangerous men if the right ball is put in.
Quote from: our_fella on May 10, 2014, 03:21:55 PM
At this rate, 4 would be lucky lol
They played Louth earlier in the week with 21 lads not playing
How'd that game finish?
Heard Armagh won 4-10 to 1-10. No other details
I see none of the Cavan posters have Givney in their 1st 15. I thought he'd be one of the first names on the team sheet. Or is he coming back from injury?
Can't speak for the others (although I'd guess they've omitted him due to poor form) but for me he's not good enough to warrant a starting place. Can produce some fantastic moments but his overall play is too error ridden at this level. Perhaps the move away from Junior club football to Ballymun might do him the world of good. At Junior level he does what he wants and minor mistakes don't get punished. Senior football might help his overall consistency and concentration.
Quote from: Westside on May 11, 2014, 07:28:05 PM
Can't speak for the others (although I'd guess they've omitted him due to poor form) but for me he's not good enough to warrant a starting place. Can produce some fantastic moments but his overall play is too error ridden at this level. Perhaps the move away from Junior club football to Ballymun might do him the world of good. At Junior level he does what he wants and minor mistakes don't get punished. Senior football might help his overall consistency and concentration.
I would say he's one of your most skilled players. Good athlete too.
His move to Ballymun hasn't gone through as of yet , if there is to be a move at all.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 11, 2014, 07:43:41 PM
Quote from: Westside on May 11, 2014, 07:28:05 PM
Can't speak for the others (although I'd guess they've omitted him due to poor form) but for me he's not good enough to warrant a starting place. Can produce some fantastic moments but his overall play is too error ridden at this level. Perhaps the move away from Junior club football to Ballymun might do him the world of good. At Junior level he does what he wants and minor mistakes don't get punished. Senior football might help his overall consistency and concentration.
I would say he's one of your most skilled players. Good athlete too.
When was the last time he played very well or dominated midfield in a championship game? Skill alone isn't enough.
The problem is that I don't think David and Gearoid are going to play together in midfield as they are too similar. If you choose one for no 8 its going to be Gearoid. Givney is decent in the full forward line too but would he dislodge keating or Dunne. Unlikely on current form. He's been tried at half forward and hasn't really impressed. His form if late hasnt been great. He was only the 3rd sub introduced against Ros in the league final.
Quote from: Westside on May 11, 2014, 08:28:24 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 11, 2014, 07:43:41 PM
Quote from: Westside on May 11, 2014, 07:28:05 PM
Can't speak for the others (although I'd guess they've omitted him due to poor form) but for me he's not good enough to warrant a starting place. Can produce some fantastic moments but his overall play is too error ridden at this level. Perhaps the move away from Junior club football to Ballymun might do him the world of good. At Junior level he does what he wants and minor mistakes don't get punished. Senior football might help his overall consistency and concentration.
I would say he's one of your most skilled players. Good athlete too.
When was the last time he played very well or dominated midfield in a championship game? Skill alone isn't enough.
He is a good athlete though. I've seen him play a good bit. Sometimes you need to invest a bit of faith in a player. I think he'd make a very good 11.
If you've seen him play a good bit then what games have you seen him dominate midfield or play very well in?
He's had lots of faith invested in him, been on the team since he was 19, he's now 24. He owned a midfield jersey for much of that.
Not solid enough in possession and doesn't have the vision or passing range to be an 11.
Would he move to Armagh?
From the outside, Givney has always been highly regarded as one of Cavan's best players. Granted I wouldn't be aware of his form this year for Cavan. But surely Cavan should persist with him? He's got huge talent and after watching Cavan in the Div 3 league final they need a wrecking ball of a full forward. Keating doesn't have the peripheral vision or decsion making to be the target man and would surely perform better if he would somone like Givney or big Argue to play off.
Keating when fully fit is an excellent player, has had groin and hamstring trouble which has affected him this year. Made the Dublin Stars team last year so he well capable of getting scores. Givney needs to up his game to get back on the Cavan team.
Cheers lads. Would I be right in thinking he started at midfield for Ulster in the railway cup last year? Or was that the year before?
Quote from: Sleater on May 12, 2014, 10:43:30 AM
From the outside, Givney has always been highly regarded as one of Cavan's best players. Granted I wouldn't be aware of his form this year for Cavan. But surely Cavan should persist with him? He's got huge talent and after watching Cavan in the Div 3 league final they need a wrecking ball of a full forward. Keating doesn't have the peripheral vision or decsion making to be the target man and would surely perform better if he would somone like Givney or big Argue to play off.
Keating is a much better prospect as a full forward, he has some glaring flaws in his game but he's still by far the best for that position in the Cavan team.
I've been a big critic of Keating's decision making, Givney's is equally as bad. He is capable of an amazing high catch or a classy dummy solo and a long range score but he consistently makes simple mistakes throughout the game. You would lose count of the amount of poor passes, 3 meter handpasses in a quick passage of play passed to another players knees, dispossessed after running into contact. At that level you need to be able to do the basics properly 99% of the the time. For me Givney is and has always been a bit overrated.
I don't want to sound like I'm completely dismissing him. He had a decent game against Armagh last year and gave the final ball for a lot of Dunne's scores (albeit with acres of space to aim for) I think perhaps being from a Junior Club he has been too accustomed to getting away with the looser elements of his game. That's why I think the move to Ballymun could be good if it goes through.
He has a lot of the attributes to make a very useful player but for me he's not reliable enough to make the starting 15 at the moment.
For me givney has more potential than GMac but his form this year has been such that he seems to have slipped down the pecking order. He is more athletic and has a defensive game. I hope his exclusion gives him a kick up the as I think he could still be a big player for us yet this year.
There was nothing to suggest from the league performances that Armagh will have the smarts and the game plan to break Cavan down. The only unknown factor is the return of the injured players and how that might create a different dynamic but a lot of those players are in the backline. From midfield up i just don't see Armagh having the guile to cope with 14 bodies. Obviously hope i'm badly wrong.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 12, 2014, 01:51:49 PM
Cheers lads. Would I be right in thinking he started at midfield for Ulster in the railway cup last year? Or was that the year before?
Last year .. Played Sigerson Final with DIT the day before
We're certainly a long way away from winning All Irelands that's for sure but i see potential in this Armagh team and we certainly can improve over the next few seasons. This year and every year since about 06-07 is we can't seem to produce a scoring half forward line and when we unearth a few we will have a great we team to build on...we will still be hard to beat none the less...
Quote from: illdecide on May 13, 2014, 09:44:24 AM
We're certainly a long way away from winning All Irelands that's for sure but i see potential in this Armagh team and we certainly can improve over the next few seasons. This year and every year since about 06-07 is we can't seem to produce a scoring half forward line and when we unearth a few we will have a great we team to build on...we will still be hard to beat none the less...
On the happy pills Illdecide? I could do with some of that optimism, I suspect we may not be at all hard to beat.
Quote from: eriugaMS on May 12, 2014, 10:48:47 PM
Quote from: our_fella on May 10, 2014, 02:12:35 PM
Gona take a wild stab at the Armagh team, however, choosing 15 from the 19 current outfield players who are fit shall be quite a task
McEvoy
Morgan
Donaghy
Mallon
Kernan
McKeever
Shields
Harold
E. Rafferty
C. Raffert
Dyas
Kernan
Clarke
Forker
Campbell/Carragher
Which leaves the bench cosisting of Vernon, Toner, Moriorty, Campbell/Carragher, McCooey, B.Mallon
Take out Dyas and replace with Charlie and i'd be happy.... Was a big critic of Campbell until this league and he puts in a serious work rate and believe he will come good muchos.....IMVHO Dyas is stil flattering to percieve -- if you watch him track back he cannot put in a meaningful tackle and gives the ball away in 40% of his possession (Fact)....
Lets not forget Paul McKeown and from the above list i'd like to say that going fwd we need Harold and Rafferty (the bowler) to forge a partnership that I can see blooming for years ---we may have to lose a few matches but see this as being a young potential midfield that will develop for years to come............
I see a lot of potential in this team.............. Lets play .............. if we lose we lose but build a focus for the next 5 years and grow as a unit.............. The backbone is strong if we can build it up... Lots of talent all over the pitch but we need to gain expereince and strength............. 2 to 3 lean years perhaps and then BOOM times again
BOOM times again? Are you smoking something? For a start at least 5 of that current team won't be playing in 4 years time as they will be past it. I would imgaine 2-3 will not be there as they will be moved on for other reasons. If there are 5-6 of that team after the lean years I would be very surprised.
I have said it before and I will say it again, there needs to be a complete rethink of what is going on in the county and how things are being run. The Academies are not producing the players that the money/time invested requires. We lost a big opportunity with 1 AI winning u21 team to build something and now look like losing the same opportunity with the 2009 minor team. We have many talented footballers but a hotch potch way of doing things which has been very self serving for some and from what I understand this is continuing. The focus at all levels needs to be club centric for the next 3-5 years and not county centric and the club structured developed. Then and only then in my view will the talent that is in the county start being successful at county level.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 13, 2014, 10:13:07 AM
Quote from: illdecide on May 13, 2014, 09:44:24 AM
We're certainly a long way away from winning All Irelands that's for sure but i see potential in this Armagh team and we certainly can improve over the next few seasons. This year and every year since about 06-07 is we can't seem to produce a scoring half forward line and when we unearth a few we will have a great we team to build on...we will still be hard to beat none the less...
On the happy pills Illdecide? I could do with some of that optimism, I suspect we may not be at all hard to beat.
Well maybe i'm being a we optimistic but we have talent (as BC has just stated) and if we can unearth a few scoring half forwards from somewhere then we'll be a decent team and come Championship time i still think with the current team that we'll not be easy beat.
Quote from: eriugaMS on May 12, 2014, 10:48:47 PM
Quote from: our_fella on May 10, 2014, 02:12:35 PM
Gona take a wild stab at the Armagh team, however, choosing 15 from the 19 current outfield players who are fit shall be quite a task
McEvoy
Morgan
Donaghy
Mallon
Kernan
McKeever
Shields
Harold
E. Rafferty
C. Raffert
Dyas
Kernan
Clarke
Forker
Campbell/Carragher
Which leaves the bench cosisting of Vernon, Toner, Moriorty, Campbell/Carragher, McCooey, B.Mallon
Take out Dyas and replace with Charlie and i'd be happy.... Was a big critic of Campbell until this league and he puts in a serious work rate and believe he will come good muchos.....IMVHO Dyas is stil flattering to percieve -- if you watch him track back he cannot put in a meaningful tackle and gives the ball away in 40% of his possession (Fact)....
Lets not forget Paul McKeown and from the above list i'd like to say that going fwd we need Harold and Rafferty (the bowler) to forge a partnership that I can see blooming for years ---we may have to lose a few matches but see this as being a young potential midfield that will develop for years to come............
I see a lot of potential in this team.............. Lets play .............. if we lose we lose but build a focus for the next 5 years and grow as a unit.............. The backbone is strong if we can build it up... Lots of talent all over the pitch but we need to gain expereince and strength............. 2 to 3 lean years perhaps and then BOOM times again
Forget about CV at 11. At least Dyas is flattering!
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Gona take a wild stab at the Armagh team, however, choosing 15 from the 19 current outfield players who are fit shall be quite a task
McEvoy
Morgan
Donaghy
Mallon
Kernan
McKeever
Shields
Harold
E. Rafferty
C. Raffert
Dyas
Kernan
Clarke
Forker
Campbell/Carragher
Which leaves the bench cosisting of Vernon, Toner, Moriorty, Campbell/Carragher, McCooey, B.Mallon
Take out Dyas ... gives the ball away in 40% of his possession (Fact)....
That simply would not hold up to any type of scrutiny.
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Quote from: eriugaMS on May 12, 2014, 10:48:47 PM
Quote from: our_fella on May 10, 2014, 02:12:35 PM
Gona take a wild stab at the Armagh team, however, choosing 15 from the 19 current outfield players who are fit shall be quite a task
McEvoy
Morgan
Donaghy
Mallon
Kernan
McKeever
Shields
Harold
E. Rafferty
C. Raffert
Dyas
Kernan
Clarke
Forker
Campbell/Carragher
Which leaves the bench cosisting of Vernon, Toner, Moriorty, Campbell/Carragher, McCooey, B.Mallon
Take out Dyas ... gives the ball away in 40% of his possession (Fact)....
That simply would not hold up to any type of scrutiny.
I agree. Dyas and Tony K would be my two certs for the half forward line.
Caolan Rafferty wouldn't be a cert in the HF line???
All of the HF line are pretty much nailed on, along with two of the FFs. It'll be Clarke and Campbell plus AN Other.
Dyas is the best playmaker we have, Rafferty the best ball carrier and TK has done enough over the league to justify a starting spot.
Quote from: mackers on May 13, 2014, 04:46:04 PM
Caolan Rafferty wouldn't be a cert in the HF line???
All of the HF line are pretty much nailed on, along with two of the FFs. It'll be Clarke and Campbell plus AN Other.
Dyas is the best playmaker we have, Rafferty the best ball carrier and TK has done enough over the league to justify a starting spot.
I would definitely agree with this. In an ideal world I would like to see McParland as well. However, Forker is ahead of mcconville / mcverry / tasker / carragher at this stage.
Quote from: illdecide on May 13, 2014, 09:44:24 AM
We're certainly a long way away from winning All Irelands that's for sure but i see potential in this Armagh team and we certainly can improve over the next few seasons. This year and every year since about 06-07 is we can't seem to produce a scoring half forward line and when we unearth a few we will have a great we team to build on...we will still be hard to beat none the less...
Illdecide - Armagh are many things (e.g. unpredictable, fairly entertaining/high scoring at times) but i wouldn't call us hard to beat (at least not by any side with a half decent tactical set up or well organised defensively). Give us a bit of room and go man to man and we can turn it on a bit, but that's not going to happen in the championship unless we meet the likes of Wicklow again in the qualifiers. We've got to get back to being hard to beat, and a stubborn outfit to play against, and then progress things from there.
Who will be favourites for this?
Armagh are 10/11, Cavan 11/10 with Paddypower so the bookies don't see much in it.
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Quote from: mackers on May 13, 2014, 04:46:04 PM
Caolan Rafferty wouldn't be a cert in the HF line???
All of the HF line are pretty much nailed on, along with two of the FFs. It'll be Clarke and Campbell plus AN Other.
Dyas is the best playmaker we have, Rafferty the best ball carrier and TK has done enough over the league to justify a starting spot.
I would definitely agree with this. In an ideal world I would like to see McParland as well. However, Forker is ahead of mcconville / mcverry / tasker / carragher at this stage.
He may be (Tasker has left the panel) but somebody needs to work on his shot selection. He'd shoot from the terrace if he was standing on it. Can be very frustrating to watch.
I'm not sure where the optimism for the future for Armagh comes from. Andy Mallon, Aaron Kernan and Ciaran McKeever are in the twilight of thier careers and those are 3 of our best players. Donaghy has also been blighted by injuries in recent years and there is no guarantee he will get back to the level he was at before. Our record at minor and U-21 level in the last 3/4 years has been very poor and there appears to be very little fresh talent coming through. We need to work from the bottom up on putting the proper structures in place to produce a better quality of player at these levels first before we can expect improved results at senior level. In the short term I don't see any reasons for improved optimism although a change of management at the end of this season might help.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 14, 2014, 02:06:48 PM
I'm not sure where the optimism for the future for Armagh comes from. Andy Mallon, Aaron Kernan and Ciaran McKeever are in the twilight of thier careers and those are 3 of our best players. Donaghy has also been blighted by injuries in recent years and there is no guarantee he will get back to the level he was at before. Our record at minor and U-21 level in the last 3/4 years has been very poor and there appears to be very little fresh talent coming through. We need to work from the bottom up on putting the proper structures in place to produce a better quality of player at these levels first before we can expect improved results at senior level. In the short term I don't see any reasons for improved optimism although a change of management at the end of this season might help.
Would agree with this. Find it strange that bookies have little between them. Cavan surely have to be fav here. Armagh have been a disaster for 2 years now.
Perhaps this has already been posted so apologies.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=216312
Hopefully McGeeney has the same effect on Armagh that's he has had on Tipperary, no effect.
Genuinely not on the wind-up here, but where have all the Armagh fans gone on GAABoard? Have they decamped to a new forum?
Can't believe how quiet this thread is.
I was looking at hoganstands armagh page and there is no one saying anything over there either.
We are all hiding at the minute as confidence is low. Wait until we beat Cavan. :o
Many use Armagh's own forum.
Pressure is on Cavan to win this game after promotion and u21 success but woulldn't be surprised if Armagh turned Cavan over. They have a lot of players back from injury since the League and probaly were unlucky to be relegated as they put in a few good performances during the league from the games that were shown live on Setanta.
Most use the Armagh forum.
For what its worth, we'll beat Cavan.
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2014, 02:04:19 PM
Most use the Armagh forum.
For what its worth, we'll beat Cavan.
Sure you might as well tell why you think you'll win.
The big question is why(other than where the game is) are Cavan odds against?
I'd say home advantage is the only reason why Armagh are slight favorites with the bookies. If Armagh had a full deck to choose from i'd expect an Orchard victory. In saying that, i'll be very annoyed if we don't get over the line by 2 or 3 points. There's no way we will set up as naively as last year so Cavan will have to work a lot harder for scores. Possession in the middle third will be key.
Ah, but it feels good that the championship starts for real this weekend [for Armagh and Cavan people]. Already starting to get that buzz.........
There were a few things in last years game that most likely will not happen again. One is the crazy decisions on the Armagh line with regards to going man to man for 70 minutes when getting totally cleaned out. Armagh fans will rightly point to this and say that if they can sort that out then the can close that 4 point gap. I think that might be a bit over simplistic. Cavan should have won that game by 8/9 points, they missed so much. Armagh probably won 75% of possession from kick outs but this year I would expect Cavan to have a better midfield than Armagh with Givney, McKiernan and Argue all likely to be dotted around the middle. Midfield should be at least 50:50 and really Cavan should be outright winning midfield in my opinion. Cavan also had a positive league and Armagh had a negative one and I really am not convinced the Armagh players are behind Grimley. I am also hearing that the Cavan players were insulted by Grimleys pathetic apology last year and will be well up for this game to see will he apologise again.
On the negative side Cavan are also without Killian Clarke who would have been sent to mark Jamie Clarke so whether Cavan can take Clarke out of the game or not is definitely in question. There have also been a lot of late injuries to key players like Gearoid McKiernan, Keating, Mackey and Rory Dunne which have really disrupted their preperation for the game.
Weighing it all up I think Cavan should be favourites but I have a feeling more than anything that Armagh could catch us. Looking forward to the game anyway. I believe there are no more stand tickets available on line so it could be close to a sell out too.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 02, 2014, 04:58:12 PM
There were a few things in last years game that most likely will not happen again. One is the crazy decisions on the Armagh line with regards to going man to man for 70 minutes when getting totally cleaned out. Armagh fans will rightly point to this and say that if they can sort that out then the can close that 4 point gap. I think that might be a bit over simplistic. Cavan should have won that game by 8/9 points, they missed so much. Armagh probably won 75% of possession from kick outs but this year I would expect Cavan to have a better midfield than Armagh with Givney, McKiernan and Argue all likely to be dotted around the middle. Midfield should be at least 50:50 and really Cavan should be outright winning midfield in my opinion. Cavan also had a positive league and Armagh had a negative one and I really am not convinced the Armagh players are behind Grimley. I am also hearing that the Cavan players were insulted by Grimleys pathetic apology last year and will be well up for this game to see will he apologise again.
On the negative side Cavan are also without Killian Clarke who would have been sent to mark Jamie Clarke so whether Cavan can take Clarke out of the game or not is definitely in question. There have also been a lot of late injuries to key players like Gearoid McKiernan, Keating, Mackey and Rory Dunne which have really disrupted their preperation for the game.
Weighing it all up I think Cavan should be favourites but I have a feeling more than anything that Armagh could catch us. Looking forward to the game anyway. I believe there are no more stand tickets available on line so it could be close to a sell out too.
Bookies predict a very tight match.
I'd say Cavan should shade it given the relative momentum of the teams. Cavan are improving and learning and Armagh aren't, really.
Armagh will be out to prove people wrong. Never mind about last year this is there first step to a better future. Have have seen all Armagh matches this year and bar the McKenna Cup game against Tyrone there is no evidence that the team are not working together. They were decimated with injury in the league but in the end only a last minute goal by Down stopped them going down instead of Armagh. Down gave Tyrone quite a fright. Cavan may be confident about midfield but the Armagh midfield are improving.
On the downside all injuries have not cleared up. It looks like Kernan, Forker and Lavery will be among those missing. Those that left last year for the states have still not been considered and Tasker has left panel.
Will be close but i hope Armagh can do it.
Like a lot of sides Armagh struggle when a team sticks 14 men in their own defence. There was no evidence from the league (Monaghan and Donegal games) that Armagh will have much of a notion how to deal with this against Cavan. There's probably no big masterplan to counter it so i can't see anything other than a Cavan win unfortunately.
Quote from: Itchy on June 02, 2014, 02:12:35 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2014, 02:04:19 PM
Most use the Armagh forum.
For what its worth, we'll beat Cavan.
Sure you might as well tell why you think you'll win.
Home fixture and marginally better player. Could have won last year and this year have a better set up, less injuries and more focussed
Quote from: Armamike on June 02, 2014, 08:48:20 PM
Like a lot of sides Armagh struggle when a team sticks 14 men in their own defence. There was no evidence from the league (Monaghan and Donegal games) that Armagh will have much of a notion how to deal with this against Cavan. There's probably no big masterplan to counter it so i can't see anything other than a Cavan win unfortunately.
Grimley is a fool. Has shown nothing to indicate he has learned how to set up an attack. He is committed to attack but feckin clueless in how to go about it. Faffing around in the middle with nothing to hit upfront is the best Armagh can hope for.
Its Cavan by a small margin unless Grmley has been sitting on his masterplan for the past year
Lot of pessimism here about armaghs chances
Morgan, donaghy and Mallon will strengthen the defence and i am confident rafferty and Harold will hold their own in midfield
We have a decent forward line with dyas, Clarke , rafferty and soupy so we won't be far away .
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2014, 09:01:22 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 02, 2014, 02:12:35 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2014, 02:04:19 PM
Most use the Armagh forum.
For what its worth, we'll beat Cavan.
Sure you might as well tell why you think you'll win.
Home fixture and marginally better player. Could have won last year and this year have a better set up, less injuries and more focussed
Its just my opinion but I believe Cavan have better quality players than Armagh but I'm really banking on the fact that your manager has been clueless to date and I'm hoping for more of the same from him.
Quote from: Itchy on June 02, 2014, 11:07:31 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2014, 09:01:22 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 02, 2014, 02:12:35 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2014, 02:04:19 PM
Most use the Armagh forum.
For what its worth, we'll beat Cavan.
Sure you might as well tell why you think you'll win.
Home fixture and marginally better player. Could have won last year and this year have a better set up, less injuries and more focussed
Its just my opinion but I believe Cavan have better quality players than Armagh but I'm really banking on the fact that your manager has been clueless to date and I'm hoping for more of the same from him.
It's hard to tell what quality the Cavan players are at as we don't get to see them come out and play much football.
Armagh are a force to be reckoned with. See them hammering all those goals past Leitrim last year? Scary stuff. Any team that has to apologise to supporters for a loss is a real big time outfit. And they have the Messiah pulling the strings in the background in between Jujitsu sessions and prepping the Tipp Hurlers for greatness, went to the gym after lifting Sam in 2002 don't ya know. Oisin McConville will probably be commentating on the radio which should ensure a sell out crowd to witness the slaughter.
Is the game on TV?
Quote from: Westside on June 02, 2014, 11:19:33 PM
Armagh are a force to be reckoned with. See them hammering all those goals past Leitrim last year? Scary stuff. Any team that has to apologise to supporters for a loss is a real big time outfit. And they have the Messiah pulling the strings in the background in between Jujitsu sessions and prepping the Tipp Hurlers for greatness, went to the gym after lifting Sam in 2002 don't ya know. Oisin McConville will probably be commentating on the radio which should ensure a sell out crowd to witness the slaughter.
Comments like this are one of the reasons I hardly ever visit the gaa board anymore
In the old days we had witty posters who contributed
Alas now we don't .
Hard to understand how the bookies have Armagh down as slight favourites for this game. Probably due to the home advantage more than anything else but I will be going to the game on Sunday more in hope than in expectation. Most supporters I have spoken to are of the same mindset.
I expect Armagh will set up more defensively than before as McGeeney begins to start leaving his imprint on things. His favoured style of play is to set the team up in such a way that 2 or 3 inside forwards contribute the majority of scores for the team. That is well and good if we had the personnel to do it but outside of Clarke on his day we don't have the players up front that consistently score 3 or 4 from play in every match. This dependency on inside forwards to win us the game could therefore play into Cavans hands since they will flood the scoring zone with bodies thus making it difficult for the likes of Clarke et al to find space. Armagh will need to have runners from deep to break the defensive wall in this game and the onus will be on the likes of Aaron Kernan and Mark Shields (presuming they are the 2 wing half backs) to pop up with a few scores of their own. Expect a more defensive gameplan from Armagh and an improved performance on last year but the end result may well be something similar.
Will be close I think with home advantage Armagh might just shade it. Interesting to see how Cavan will perform without the influence of Mackey and maybe as many as 3 other central players. I would expect maybe one or two of them to start but they may not last to long.
Quote from: naka on June 03, 2014, 09:10:17 AM
Quote from: Westside on June 02, 2014, 11:19:33 PM
Armagh are a force to be reckoned with. See them hammering all those goals past Leitrim last year? Scary stuff. Any team that has to apologise to supporters for a loss is a real big time outfit. And they have the Messiah pulling the strings in the background in between Jujitsu sessions and prepping the Tipp Hurlers for greatness, went to the gym after lifting Sam in 2002 don't ya know. Oisin McConville will probably be commentating on the radio which should ensure a sell out crowd to witness the slaughter.
Comments like this are one of the reasons I hardly ever visit the gaa board anymore
In the old days we had witty posters who contributed
Alas now we don't .
We all miss you terribly.
Really though, with Cavan's injury situation it's very difficult to be confident going into Sunday's game. I think we might see some changes, perhaps Keating moved further out the field with O'Connor to start inside along with Dunne. I think we need to try something a bit different. If Mackey isn't fit it's a massive loss to Cavan, we don't have anyone else with his ball carrying ability.
Quote from: naka on June 03, 2014, 09:10:17 AM
Quote from: Westside on June 02, 2014, 11:19:33 PM
Armagh are a force to be reckoned with. See them hammering all those goals past Leitrim last year? Scary stuff. Any team that has to apologise to supporters for a loss is a real big time outfit. And they have the Messiah pulling the strings in the background in between Jujitsu sessions and prepping the Tipp Hurlers for greatness, went to the gym after lifting Sam in 2002 don't ya know. Oisin McConville will probably be commentating on the radio which should ensure a sell out crowd to witness the slaughter.
Comments like this are one of the reasons I hardly ever visit the gaa board anymore
In the old days we had witty posters who contributed
Alas now we don't .
Were you one of these legendary witty posters yourself?
Quote from: Armamike on June 02, 2014, 11:12:31 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 02, 2014, 11:07:31 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2014, 09:01:22 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 02, 2014, 02:12:35 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2014, 02:04:19 PM
Most use the Armagh forum.
For what its worth, we'll beat Cavan.
Sure you might as well tell why you think you'll win.
Home fixture and marginally better player. Could have won last year and this year have a better set up, less injuries and more focussed
Its just my opinion but I believe Cavan have better quality players than Armagh but I'm really banking on the fact that your manager has been clueless to date and I'm hoping for more of the same from him.
It's hard to tell what quality the Cavan players are at as we don't get to see them come out and play much football.
You mustn't follow your own team much or did you see us tear you apart last year.
Your forward was good in acres of space. Your midfield wasn't great. Hard to judge the individual quality of your backs.
This could be Grimley's last game. Tony McEntee will be in for the McKenna cup.
Quote from: Armamike on June 03, 2014, 09:35:28 PM
Your forward was good in acres of space. Your midfield wasn't great. Hard to judge the individual quality of your backs.
So our forwards can't be judged properly because they were being marked man to man, our backs can't be judged because we defend in numbers...
Quote from: Armamike on June 03, 2014, 09:35:28 PM
Your forward was good in acres of space. Your midfield wasn't great. Hard to judge the individual quality of your backs.
Your backs were shite, your midfield won ball but couldn't play ball and you forwards were not good enough. As for your manager...
Probably not his last. Could be his second last though.
I see Joe Brolly has convinced many that Grimley hasn't a clue. He is not the greatest manager ever but is far from a fool. He has a few shrewd men with him too.
Quote from: Throw ball on June 04, 2014, 12:13:39 AM
I see Joe Brolly has convinced many that Grimley hasn't a clue. He is not the greatest manager ever but is far from a fool. He has a few shrewd men with him too.
Who all is in the management team:
Grimley, McGeeney, McQuillan, McDonnell, Hollywood are the ones I am aware of but who are the others?
Quote from: Throw ball on June 04, 2014, 12:13:39 AM
I see Joe Brolly has convinced many that Grimley hasn't a clue. He is not the greatest manager ever but is far from a fool. He has a few shrewd men with him too.
In fairness, with his carry on last year he did that for himself. What other manager would leave a man one on one with a fella who kicked 9 points and not make any sort of tactical or positional change and then say that he made no change on purpose as that would be be a change of game plan which would mean he was weak? Then to come out doing an apology was very insulting to Cavan people. Joe Brolly just called it as it is really.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 04, 2014, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 04, 2014, 12:13:39 AM
I see Joe Brolly has convinced many that Grimley hasn't a clue. He is not the greatest manager ever but is far from a fool. He has a few shrewd men with him too.
In fairness, with his carry on last year he did that for himself. What other manager would leave a man one on one with a fella who kicked 9 points and not make any sort of tactical or positional change and then say that he made no change on purpose as that would be be a change of game plan which would mean he was weak? Then to come out doing an apology was very insulting to Cavan people. Joe Brolly just called it as it is really.
I'd agree with virtually everything you have said there, but you'll have to remind me which part of his apology insulted Cavan people. He apologised to Armagh fans for the inept display given by Armagh. You have outlined yourself why such an apology was required, but which bit insulted Cavan people?
I could see where you're coming from if he apologised to Armagh fans for allowing Cavan to beat us but that's not what he done.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 04, 2014, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 04, 2014, 12:13:39 AM
I see Joe Brolly has convinced many that Grimley hasn't a clue. He is not the greatest manager ever but is far from a fool. He has a few shrewd men with him too.
In fairness, with his carry on last year he did that for himself. What other manager would leave a man one on one with a fella who kicked 9 points and not make any sort of tactical or positional change and then say that he made no change on purpose as that would be be a change of game plan which would mean he was weak? Then to come out doing an apology was very insulting to Cavan people. Joe Brolly just called it as it is really.
Really? In what way was Grimley's apology insulting to Cavan, can you remind me of exactly what he said that so offended you? It seriously sounds as though you are deliberately going out of your way to be offended.
Grimley's apology was cringeworthy and ill advised but he was a man coming under pressure from inside and outside the county at the time. I'm glad to see that he has had the sense to keep out of the papers in the build up to this match. Even during this League campaign he was giving interviews every couple of days when the team was achieving very little but thankfully that all seems to have subsided.
Would he have apologised if Armagh were beaten by Tyrone, Kerry, Derry etc? Did he apologise when ye lost to Galway. I doubt it. His apology implied that there was some shame in being beaten by Cavan, so much shame that he had to apologise to Armaghs support. Its insulting as we are every bit as good a team as Armagh and our performances afterwards proved that.
Apologies if already discussed but is this game on TV anywhere?
I have to agree with my fellow Armagh men. The apology was not a slight at Cavan. He knew he and the team were under pressure due to the tactics and decided to take the pressure of the players by taking the blame himself. More than a few players had poor games too. After the Galway game there was no road to redemption. An apology then could only have accompanied a resignation. He also did offer a ' I take the blame' interview after Tyrone hammered Armagh in the McKenna Cup.
Quote from: tyroneman on June 04, 2014, 07:12:43 PM
Apologies if already discussed but is this game on TV anywhere?
No. BBC not allowed to show it I hear.
Any truth to the rumour Armagh tv are streaming it?
I'm sure Armagh TV will have audio commentary, but no pics, I imagine.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 04, 2014, 06:41:41 PM
Would he have apologised if Armagh were beaten by Tyrone, Kerry, Derry etc? Did he apologise when ye lost to Galway. I doubt it. His apology implied that there was some shame in being beaten by Cavan, so much shame that he had to apologise to Armaghs support. Its insulting as we are every bit as good a team as Armagh and our performances afterwards proved that.
He was getting serious flak in the media and from his own supporters which was in no small part down to the naievity of his tactics. And no disrespect to Cavan either but Tyrone and Kerry had won 7 of the previous 10 All Ireland's whilst Cavan were a division 3 team, so yes to be brutally honest it was made worse by the fact that they weren't a top side at the time.
And before any Cavan fans get on their high horse, I have the greatest respect for their supporters and indeed the work put in over the last decade at underage level which is starting to bear fruit at senior level.
As I said earlier I don't think there was any slight whatsoever intended on Cavan, Grimley had enough to worry about trying to defend himself and his tactics in the media. As far as having as good a team as Armagh, well that's hard to argue against, I think that Cavan have forged slightly ahead of Armagh since this time 12 months ago and will probably prove it again on Sunday.
My prediction is Armagh 1-12 Cavan 0-17. It'll be tight. A lot of rumours in Cavan that many of our spine will not start.
Armagh to win by a one or two points i reckon and Cavan to do well in the qualifiers.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 04, 2014, 09:21:03 PM
Any truth to the rumour Armagh tv are streaming it?
Quote from: armaghniac on June 04, 2014, 10:40:48 PM
I'm sure Armagh TV will have audio commentary, but no pics, I imagine.
From what I hear they would love to but radio and tv deals are
set in stone and neither can sell on rights so to speak
Is there any bar close to the pitch ?
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 05, 2014, 03:18:19 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 04, 2014, 09:21:03 PM
Any truth to the rumour Armagh tv are streaming it?
Quote from: armaghniac on June 04, 2014, 10:40:48 PM
I'm sure Armagh TV will have audio commentary, but no pics, I imagine.
From what I hear they would love to but radio and tv deals are
set in stone and neither can sell on rights so to speak
If its not on tv how can they be set in stone? I assume you mean a highlights package?
CAVAN TEAM
GILSENAN,MCLOUGHLIN,DUNNE,FLANAGAN,MCENROE,CLARKE,OREILLY,GIVNEY,MCKIERNAN,MACKEY,MCDERMOTT,REILLY,KEATIN,DUNNE,BRADY.
its probably as expected, have any Cavan posters any comments on it?
Mackey and Rory Dunne were doubtful, so wouldn't be surprised if they didn't start. Jack Brady has had lots of club football recently which will have brought on his fitness since the League final. Fairly strong team if they do start like that.
Ronan Flanagan and Killian Clarke obvious losses in defence but good players to replace them
Quote from: Itchy on June 05, 2014, 12:04:02 AM
My prediction is Armagh 1-12 Cavan 0-17. It'll be tight. A lot of rumours in Cavan that many of our spine will not start.
You'll be spineless then.
Terry doesnt normally be messing with fake teams so those lads are fit to play then I think that is how they will line out. If Mackey is not fit I think you will see Maloney Derham come in and Jack Brady will be the link man from defence to attack. If Dunne is out I imagine McEnroe or Damian Reilly will play FB. Maloney Derham could also come in there at wing back. If both are missing I imagine Argue might come in wing forward for Mackey.
would be surprised to see dunne playing
Damien Reilly played full back in the recent game against the club all stars so more likely it would be him playing full back if Dunne isn't playing
Hayes hard done by to lose out, to play every single game all year and be dropped for Championship must be hard to take. I'd say Dunne and Mackey are being given every chance to be fit for Sunday. Jack Brady has been poor enough in the last few games he's played for Cavan, need a lot more from him on Sunday.
I think Hayes could start yet.
Quote from: tommysmith on June 05, 2014, 08:21:12 AM
Is there any bar close to the pitch ?
Far be it from me to promote Pearse Ogs but they have a bar outside the ground at the stand side. Would take about 45 seconds to walk from the bar to the turn styles.
On the other hand you could get into the ground early and watch the fine ladies of Armagh and Tyrone play a bit of football.
Thanks throw ball, will they take euro ?
Quote from: tommysmith on June 05, 2014, 07:01:00 PM
Thanks throw ball, will they take euro ?
Not an Ogs man myself so not sure. Would be surprised if they didn't. In any case McAnerney's shop wil probably change a few for you if stuck.
They have bank machines up in Armagh Tommy. Stick in your card and out comes sterling. No need to thank me, a pint will do.
I know full well how to operate a bank machine but I only have euros in my account :P
You better bring cans to be safe
Armagh 0-11
Cavan 3-13
Hope I'm wrong.
Quote from: Orior on June 05, 2014, 08:28:20 PM
Armagh 0-11
Cavan 3-13
Hope I'm wrong.
There's not a chance in hell Cavan will score 3-13.
Cavan 5-24
Armagh 0-02
There's no team in Ireland that can ship a tanking like Armagh on a bad day!
Was reading Gaelic Life today. The editor says he expects a Cavan win and 3 out of 4 of the tipsters say Cavan too. The bookies on the other hand go marginally for Armagh. Strange that the calls are so one sided in Gaelic life.
Armagh team
Mc Evoy
A Mallon
Vernon
Morgan
Shields
Donaghy
Mc Keever
Toner
Findon
C Rafferty
Dyas
Mc Verry
Clarke
E Rafferty
Campbell
Vernon is normally a midfielder,/half forward. How has he been playing in the full back line this year? No Aaron Kernan, obviously not fully fit.
Keating will take Vernon to the cleaners if it lines up like that.
Quote from: Itchy on June 05, 2014, 09:50:55 PM
Keating will take Vernon to the cleaners if it lines up like that.
Charlie did a good job on Murphy earlier in the year, he should be fine. Donaghy, McKeever and Morgan coming back in are massive boosts. I would expect Morgan to pick Dunne, McKeever and Donaghy to sit back and solidify the defence with Shields having the license to go forward.
C.Rafferty and Dyas will provide good options. Worried about how the forward line will operate. If Ethan Rafferty stays full forward I would expect Jamie or Campbell to come out to the 40. We played 4 half forwards for long spells of the league and it definitely didn't work. Does anyone know if Tony Kernan is injured?
Most worried about midfield though.I'm expecting that midfield to be taken to the cleaners or less Ethan Rafferty reverts back to midfield. I'm assuming Stephen Harold must be injured. Toner is too slow and immobile to operate at this level, its too easy to run past him, while Findon has bags of potential, alot of it is still to be fulfilled.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 05, 2014, 09:30:12 PM
Armagh team
Mc Evoy
A Mallon
Vernon
Morgan
Shields
Donaghy
Mc Keever
Toner
Findon
C Rafferty
Dyas
Mc Verry
Clarke
E Rafferty
Campbell
An absolutely crazy team
No tony kernan for frees, no Harold ( best midfielder for past two years ) and he didn't look injured when I saw him earlier.
I sometimes despair
A lot of risks in that line up for Armagh. Good to see some of the injured players back but hard to know if they will be up to match pace. The midfield is ropey. Can only assume Harold is injured. Rafferty was doing quite well alongside him and is untried at full forward. That's assuming though that the team will line out like that.
The Armagh team has Geezers fingerprints all over it. Plenty of big strong physical athletes to do the donkey work out the field and depend on 2 or 3 men to get the bulk of the scores. It is designed more for stopping than for creating and I'd be surprised if E Rafferty starts in the full forward line, he will probably play around midfield to form a complete barricade across this sector with Toner and Findon already being 2 defensive midfielders. This game has all the hallmarks of a war of attrition based on the Armagh team selection. Strange to see just 2 Cross men starting as well, as far as I know Aaron Kernan is fit. If it works and we get a win nobody will care one jot, if we lose I can see another inquest into team selection this time as opposed to tactics.
There were rumblings that this team would be starting earlier in the week. and I dismissed it as crazy talk. Not amused.
Happy with that team. Hard working first and foremost
Last year Mr Grimleys tactics were very attacking V Cavan if memory serves me correctly. He said after the game that it was a work in progress and would take time to play the way he wanted them to. One year on and he's playing defensively?
How do u make that out?
If I am not mistaken only 6 of that team started against Cavan last year.
McEvoy, Shields, Mckeever, Rafferty, Dyas, Clarke were the 6. Big turnaround in a year
Caaaaaavan will win this encounter
Quote from: ck on June 05, 2014, 11:36:51 PM
Last year Mr Grimleys tactics were very attacking V Cavan if memory serves me correctly. He said after the game that it was a work in progress and would take time to play the way he wanted them to. One year on and he's playing defensively?
Donegal did something similar, one year they played defensively and the next they played attacking football. I think it is a good way to develop a team
Why do Armagh continually have so little Cross men on their team?
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on June 06, 2014, 07:49:09 AM
Quote from: ck on June 05, 2014, 11:36:51 PM
Last year Mr Grimleys tactics were very attacking V Cavan if memory serves me correctly. He said after the game that it was a work in progress and would take time to play the way he wanted them to. One year on and he's playing defensively?
Donegal did something similar, one year they played defensively and the next they played attacking football. I think it is a good way to develop a team
When was this, in the 70's sometime. To say a recent Donegal team played an attacking brand of football is ridiculous. They just tweaked their counter attacking game, thats all.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 05, 2014, 09:16:25 PM
Was reading Gaelic Life today. The editor says he expects a Cavan win and 3 out of 4 of the tipsters say Cavan too. The bookies on the other hand go marginally for Armagh. Strange that the calls are so one sided in Gaelic life.
I assure you that on our past predictions, the bookies have little to fear.
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on June 06, 2014, 07:49:09 AM
Quote from: ck on June 05, 2014, 11:36:51 PM
Last year Mr Grimleys tactics were very attacking V Cavan if memory serves me correctly. He said after the game that it was a work in progress and would take time to play the way he wanted them to. One year on and he's playing defensively?
Donegal did something similar, one year they played defensively and the next they played attacking football. I think it is a good way to develop a team
What?
(1) When were the 2 years in question? To describe Donegal as attacking would be to describe Sean Cavanagh as a very honest player who always trys to stay on his feet.
(2) Why would it be a good idea one year to push defenders up to mark sweepers and leave oceans of space in our own defence for the opposition to play in. Then the following year change tack completely and play with a defensive system. It shows a complete lack of conviction and the total lack of a clear plan or vision for how the team want to play.
Either play one way or the other. I hate Donegal's style of play for instance but I admire McGuinness absolute conviction and belief in his methods that even when he was coming under intense criticism in the media he stuck with it and took defensive play to levels never seen before.
If this goes well on Sunday it will be McGeeney who will get the praise for the sudden change in tactics and personnel and will ironically weaken Grimleys position. If it goes badly however it will be Grimley who will get the flak and more than likely lose his job. It begs the question why they didn't just give the job to McGeeney altogether when it appears to have more of his characteristics in it than Grimleys.
still cant get my head around this team
its very defensive
with effectively 8 defensive and physical players
I assume we will play donaghy in front of mallon and morgan and not be as exposed as last year
still cant for the life of me work out how Harold and t kernan aren't starting
worried about frees as we don't seem to have someone save for Jamie
so as it stands will ethan come out and we play three midfielders
Jamie might play on the half forward line with Campbell and mc verry playing inside
if he does it seems a very fast forward line
I would imagine Big Joe won't be too happy. I would be happy enough with the team and am really looking forward to seeing Morgan, Findon and Ethan Rafferty in particular. I'm not quite sure what role Vernon will be playing - I can't see him playing full back after some of his performances there this year and he hasn't proved himself anywhere else. Perhaps this could be the day he delivers on a big(gish) stage.
Freetaking must be a bit of a worry. Will Ethan Rafferty take all left footed frees or will they be shared out with Jamie? There doesn't like many options for right footed frees - McVerry?
Quote from: ardchieftain on June 05, 2014, 11:27:37 PM
There were rumblings that this team would be starting earlier in the week. and I dismissed it as crazy talk. Not amused.
I had heard that this team had been playing in the challenge games and there was a fair chance of it being the starting team on Sunday. Hyland was quoted as saying after the game last year that Cavan were happy enough for our midfiuelders to have the ball because they wouldn't know what to do with it anyway. We've been playing two good footballers in midfield throughout the league and now we've gone back to square one. I would have little confidence in our midfielders, one is too immobile, the other too inexperienced.
The defence looks sound enough assuming the injured players coming back are match fit, Dunne will not score nine points off Morgan who is a much more aggressive defender than Paul McKeown (he is a black card risk though). I presume that Ethan at FF is our way of beating the blanket defence and long early ball will be sent in to him. This will be a good thing if it comes off because we simply can't continue hitting ball into Clarke who will be treble marked.
As others have flagged up, freetaking will be a concern (esp left sided ones). I wouldn't be a TK fan but he certainly did enough through the league to justify a starting place.
Will BBC or ArmaghTV be showing the game?
Quote from: Denn Forever on June 06, 2014, 01:35:41 PM
Will BBC or ArmaghTV be showing the game?
No. You'll have to attend.
All the seats are now sold out, only terrace tickets left.
Its very hard to predict how this game will pan out. So many injury concerns on both sides.
Cavan are a very well organised settled team but Mackey would be a massive loss he's terrific CHF . I think Armagh have to choose a defensive team but Cavan's defensive system is more subtle and I expect them to win although Grimley should have a good knowledge of their capabilities
Never mind the result,can Jamie Clarke grow a proper moustache?
Quote from: WT4E on June 06, 2014, 08:46:34 AM
Why do Armagh continually have so little Cross men on their team?
Don't worry about it. As it evolves, you'll see plenty of cross lads >:( >:(
Lads. I'm going to the game from Sligo and I want to avoid Clones as there is a festival on. Just wondering is anyone familiar with the back road from Lisnakea to Roslea. Looking at a map if you head for Newtownbutler from lisnaskea there should be a left turn for Roslea and then on into Monaghan town.
Anyone know is that road half decent?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 07, 2014, 02:36:01 PM
Lads. I'm going to the game from Sligo and I want to avoid Clones as there is a festival on. Just wondering is anyone familiar with the back road from Lisnakea to Roslea. Looking at a map if you head for Newtownbutler from lisnaskea there should be a left turn for Roslea and then on into Monaghan town.
Anyone know is that road half decent?
Would you not go Enniskillen Fivemiletown Aughnacloy?
The Roslea road could be described as half decent, but no more. But unless you are avoiding Enniskillen just carry on to Aughnacloy, as stated above.
Hopefully you'll have a smooth drive to the game and a disappointed drive home.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 07, 2014, 04:03:11 PM
The Roslea road could be described as half decent, but no more. But unless you are avoiding Enniskillen just carry on to Aughnacloy, as stated above.
Hopefully you'll have a smooth drive to the game and a disappointed drive home.
I'd normally try to avoid Enniskillen, I'd go Blacklion, Florencecourt, Derrylin, Lisnaskea. previously I'd head for Clones but now I am trying to avoid it too. Thanks for the heads up.
Who will like the crappy weather the most?
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2014, 10:58:01 PM
Who will like the crappy weather the most?
The people in Ulster's biggest stand.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 07, 2014, 11:12:34 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2014, 10:58:01 PM
Who will like the crappy weather the most?
The people in Ulster's biggest stand.
Well for sure, I'll be in this fine covered stand myself. I was wondering which team would like wet weather. I know Martin Dunne probably won't.
Is there anywhere to view this? (Can't believe that the beeb agreed only to show the ulster games that rte show live ......fkn disgraceful >:( ) Any online viewing or is it just radio ulster and the headphones? :(
Quote from: jodyb on June 08, 2014, 10:19:29 AM
Is there anywhere to view this? (Can't believe that the beeb agreed only to show the ulster games that rte show live ......fkn disgraceful >:( ) Any online viewing or is it just radio ulster and the headphones? :(
bbc are a joke, except when it comes to ulster rugby of course.
"@RTEgaa: A mass brawl has broken out following the pre-match parade in the Cavan and Armagh clash. #rtegaa"
A mass brawl, that's just great, play football fer fecks sake and forget that aul fighting shite, if true there will be three men sent off in this one, probably two of us!
Is this match on a radio station??? cant find it anywhere!!
Quote from: our_fella on June 08, 2014, 04:12:51 PM
Is this match on a radio station??? cant find it anywhere!!
Radio Ulster but you have to listen to Logie!
Northern Sound has it
Cant find a link for it on the bbc website.. stuck with Cavan radio! :-\
Any score updates?
Armagh 0-1 Cavan 0-2
Armagh have had about 7/8 wides already. One shot went off the post
Cow's arse... banjo.
Jamie Clarke pulled down. McVerry levels 0-2 0-2
Mallon fouled and McVerry makes it 0-3 to Armagh
Cavan player yellow carded (Jason McLaughlin) for pulling Jamie Clarke's Jersey. Armagh 0-4 Cavan 0-2
Should point out these updates are coming from Armagh's twitter account
Armagh on their 11th wide of the game
Half time score?
Armagh 0-5
Cavan 0-2
Armagh have about 12 wides
But under the new rules, a wide is worth 1/4 of a point, so we have that going for us!
Are scores being rationed this year in Ulster?
Who busted Dunne before the game started?
Armagh 0-6
Cavan 0-2
Quote from: our_fella on June 08, 2014, 04:15:28 PM
Cant find a link for it on the bbc website.. stuck with Cavan radio! :-\
I think you mean Northern Sound/Shannon side. Hope we have better luck than Roscommon.
Pissing it down now, Armagh and Cavan exchanging wides.
Looks like both teams are using the same hit and hope tactics.
A.Kernan on for M.Shields
Armagh 0-7
Cavan 0-2
Vernon just cleared the ball off the line
Kernan with a point and Rafferty
Givney for Cavan
0-9
0-3
Givney
0-9 to 0-4
Ciaran McKeever on a yellow
McKiernan for Cavan
0-9
0-5
Flanagan for Cavan
0-6
0-9
Kyle Carragher for Stefan Campbell
Goal for Armagh
Caolán Rafferty
1-9
0-6
BBC getting their report in on the brawl already
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/27754620?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
T.Kernan on for E.McVerry
Yellow for E.Rafferty
McKiernan
0-7
1-9
Armagh 1-10
Cavan 0-7
Armagh 1-12
Cavan 0-8
Black card for Robert Maloney Derham
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on June 08, 2014, 05:22:13 PM
BBC getting their report in on the brawl already
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/27754620?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
Ugly scenes.
Armagh 1-13
Cavan 0-8
Armagh 1-13
Cavan 0-8
McCooey on for J.Clarke
2 minutes added
Fine win for Armagh!
Ethan Raffery for Armagh Red Card
Armagh win
1-13
0-9
Who won the row?
Definitely got McGeeney's influence on Armagh team...Something like 17 wides
That is a good performance from us, tactically Big Paul and co got it about right, Cavan seemed intent on passing laterally and gave away a ton of possession through misplaced passes.
Onwards and upwards, we can take heart from this win and this gives a couple of injured players a chance to regain full fitness, A Kernan in particular.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 08, 2014, 05:42:54 PM
Who won the row?
Judging by the pictures I saw there were a lot of Cavan men on the ground so Armagh might have won that as well.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 08, 2014, 05:57:02 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 08, 2014, 05:42:54 PM
Who won the row?
Judging by the pictures I saw there were a lot of Cavan men on the ground so Armagh might have won that as well.
its that time of year again, Orangemen causing trouble at a parade.
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 08, 2014, 06:18:15 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 08, 2014, 05:57:02 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 08, 2014, 05:42:54 PM
Who won the row?
Judging by the pictures I saw there were a lot of Cavan men on the ground so Armagh might have won that as well.
its that time of year again, Orangemen causing trouble at a parade.
Involving flags as well
Good to see Cavan put down a peg or two, they got a wee bit arrogant after their flukey defeat of Derry last year.
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on June 08, 2014, 05:37:42 PM
Ethan Raffery for Armagh Red Card
It was a black, he had a yellow - hence the red!
Good win, surprised at Armagh's dominance. Thought the winning of the game was Morgan switching onto Keating early on, snuffed him out completely & pretty much meant Cavan had nada up front. Lots of good performances, Ethan Rafferty has a big future ahead of him. We should have won by 10+ easily, Campbell missed 2 sitters in addition to the multitude of wides.
Only in Ulster could they be uncivilised enough to not be able to march in a parade like proper men.
Good result for Armagh but Cavan must be disappointed after the progress last year.
Be interesting to see how the GAA react to the row before the game. I hope and expect them to come down hard on those responsible in a time when we are trying to show our national game off to the world in a positive light and not a sport full of thugs. Disappointing to say the least!
Quote from: Syferus on June 08, 2014, 06:33:20 PM
Only in Ulster could they be uncivilised enough to not be able to march in a parade like proper men.
That is quite a provocative comment
I'd say you'll see a ban on all contentious parades after this. In Cavan anyway.
(Was there drink involved?)
No need for parades. Complete waste of time.
Will be interesting to see how many are banned. Was McGeeney the brains behind injuring Dunne before the game
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 08, 2014, 07:00:00 PM
Will be interesting to see how many are banned. Was McGeeney the brains behind injuring Dunne before the game
He does seem to have a fixation with Cavan forwards alright.
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 08, 2014, 07:00:00 PM
Will be interesting to see how many are banned. Was McGeeney the brains behind injuring Dunne before the game
Lets be clear here. It was the Cavan men that started the row.
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 08, 2014, 07:00:00 PM
Will be interesting to see how many are banned. Was McGeeney the brains behind injuring Dunne before the game
It was caused by McKeever standing behind the Cavan flag and then the Cavan no.6 barging him in the chest. Then a bit of an old fashioned skirmish broke out with most players involved. McKeever had asked the Cavan flag holder to move to the 'inside lane' (most people thought he was chatting her up at the time) but she refused to swap over and he then stood his ground. Lucky it wasn't on RTE or they would have had a field day and Joe Duffys line would be hopping tomorrow. There will likely be a fine of some sort for both teams.
Onto the match and Armagh out battled and out fought a mediocre Cavan side. The tactics worked against Cavan, whose refusal to kick the ball is excruciating to watch. Armagh defended in numbers but at least when they broke they done it with pace and conviction and kicked the ball plenty. Dyas was the key to winning the game. Head and shoulders the best player on the pitch. Andy Mallon, Toner, McVerry, Rafferty and Aaron Kernan had fine contributions as well. Fair dues to the management as well, the tactics were spot on for what was needed to beat Cavan. However the lack of a freetaker and a glut of missed chances could cost them against stronger opposition.
Anyway, well done to Armagh, good luck in the Semi.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 08, 2014, 06:54:42 PM
No need for parades. Complete waste of time.
They add to the occasion. Bring back the up tempo Amhrán na bhFiann.
Not wishing to disrespect good people, but they've gone a bit OTT with the minutes silence.
So Cavan have been denied a chance to knock us off our Ulster Champions perch. Boo hoo.
Great win against the Breffni Brutals. Imagine Mylestheslasher having to endure that in the shadow of the temple of evil aka St Patrick's Cathedral, with a Roman priest on sideline for Armagh too! ;D
QuoteIt was caused by McKeever standing behind the Cavan flag and then the Cavan no.6 barging him in the chest. Then a bit of an old fashioned skirmish broke out with most players involved. McKeever had asked the Cavan flag holder to move to the 'inside lane' (most people thought he was chatting her up at the time) but she refused to swap over and he then stood his ground. Lucky it wasn't on RTE or they would have had a field day and Joe Duffys line would be hopping tomorrow. There will likely be a fine of some sort for both teams.
Imagine that.....
Shut up fearon
Good win for armagh, didn't expect them to win by that much
The row seemed to be because Armagh stood behind the wrong flag. Cavan ran into the parade as a group. It looked planned and stupid. It helped settle nerves on Armagh team. Do not buy the theory that Dunne got injured then. The rumour was that he wouldn't start and I did not see anyone assess his injury. Jack Brady ran up to the team group and Dunne returned to the dug out. Looked like a prep landed late switch. For Armagh Donaghy came to the sideline for treatment before joining parade. Surprised more not made of the couple of 'nudges' Jamie got when parade broke up given what went on before.
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 08, 2014, 07:39:39 PM
QuoteIt was caused by McKeever standing behind the Cavan flag and then the Cavan no.6 barging him in the chest. Then a bit of an old fashioned skirmish broke out with most players involved. McKeever had asked the Cavan flag holder to move to the 'inside lane' (most people thought he was chatting her up at the time) but she refused to swap over and he then stood his ground. Lucky it wasn't on RTE or they would have had a field day and Joe Duffys line would be hopping tomorrow. There will likely be a fine of some sort for both teams.
Imagine that.....
Knowing the moralists on the Sunday game they will concentrate on this on tonight's programme. Hopefully Spillane or McStay aren't on it or they will feign outcry over the scenes.
Quote from: Throw ball on June 08, 2014, 07:48:36 PM
The row seemed to be because Armagh stood behind the wrong flag. Cavan ran into the parade as a group. It looked planned and stupid. It helped settle nerves on Armagh team. Do not buy the theory that Dunne got injured then. The rumour was that he wouldn't start and I did not see anyone assess his injury. Jack Brady ran up to the team group and Dunne returned to the dug out. Looked like a prep landed late switch. For Armagh Donaghy came to the sideline for treatment before joining parade. Surprised more not made of the couple of 'nudges' Jamie got when parade broke up given what went on before.
I think you are right about Dunne not starting anyway but it doesn't suit the narrative to say that hhis injuries weren't as a result of the brawl. Donaghy however looked to be split open and needed treatment during the parade.
If that wee Cavan bitch had done what she was bid it would have been a great parade with no fisticuffs!
The Cavan man struck first and Armagh proceeded to bate the shite out of them........ Could have happened to a Bishop!
:P
Quote from: stew on June 08, 2014, 07:57:37 PM
If that wee Cavan bitch had done what she was bid it would have been a great parade with no fisticuffs!
The Cavan man struck first and Armagh proceeded to bate the shite out of them........ Could have happened to a Bishop!
:P
I appreciate you put a smilie in but thats a bit rough, smilie or no smilie.
Can't wait to see it on the Sunday Game this evening. I'm sure BBC and UTV will be all over it as well.
Mckeever is never far away when the trampish behaviour starts. Is he from a traveling background?
Quote from: stew on June 08, 2014, 07:57:37 PM
If that wee Cavan bitch had done what she was bid it would have been a great parade with no fisticuffs!
St. Michaels Band, Enniskillen...last time I checked, that was in Fermanagh.
Quote from: EC Unique on June 08, 2014, 08:19:04 PM
Mckeever is never far away when the trampish behaviour starts. Is he from a traveling background?
Thought you would be use to it?
Quote from: Line Ball on June 08, 2014, 08:17:55 PM
Can't wait to see it on the Sunday Game this evening.
This is what they have advertised.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpnrAkDIMAAzXzI.jpg)
Didn't see the match, on a scale of 1-10 how bad was the mass brawl?
Quote from: EC Unique on June 08, 2014, 08:19:04 PM
Mckeever is never far away when the trampish behaviour starts. Is he from a traveling background?
Classy as usual....ll
Quote from: EC Unique on June 08, 2014, 08:19:04 PM
Mckeever is never far away when the trampish behaviour starts. Is he from a traveling background?
il give u Mcmenamin, Gormley, Jordan - true knackers! Cavan thought they would pinpoint mckeever, wrong choice!
Paul O'Flynn @OFlynnPaul · 3 mins
First pictures of the Cavan Armagh brawl coming up on @rtenews at 9. More later on the Sunday Game @rtegaa
Well, looks like they are showing the fight at least.
What time is Sunday game on?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpoLR3sIIAAPT4X.jpg)
Quote from: Throw ball on June 08, 2014, 07:48:36 PM
The row seemed to be because Armagh stood behind the wrong flag. Cavan ran into the parade as a group. It looked planned and stupid. It helped settle nerves on Armagh team. Do not buy the theory that Dunne got injured then. The rumour was that he wouldn't start and I did not see anyone assess his injury. Jack Brady ran up to the team group and Dunne returned to the dug out. Looked like a prep landed late switch. For Armagh Donaghy came to the sideline for treatment before joining parade. Surprised more not made of the couple of 'nudges' Jamie got when parade broke up given what went on before.
Well his arm is in a sling now, wasn't like that yesterday.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=217893
Thanks Drici
Quote from: drici on June 08, 2014, 08:39:44 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpoLR3sIIAAPT4X.jpg)
Chokeslam!
Showing abit of manners and class and stand behind your own flag would been nice,easy to say Cavan started it, would anything have happened if he stood under the armagh flag, the GAA version of Martin Johnson,
Quote from: JP on June 08, 2014, 07:12:13 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 08, 2014, 07:00:00 PM
Will be interesting to see how many are banned. Was McGeeney the brains behind injuring Dunne before the game
Lets be clear here. It was the Cavan men that started the row.
Didn't know Mckeever was from Cavan.
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 08, 2014, 08:40:48 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 08, 2014, 07:48:36 PM
The row seemed to be because Armagh stood behind the wrong flag. Cavan ran into the parade as a group. It looked planned and stupid. It helped settle nerves on Armagh team. Do not buy the theory that Dunne got injured then. The rumour was that he wouldn't start and I did not see anyone assess his injury. Jack Brady ran up to the team group and Dunne returned to the dug out. Looked like a prep landed late switch. For Armagh Donaghy came to the sideline for treatment before joining parade. Surprised more not made of the couple of 'nudges' Jamie got when parade broke up given what went on before.
Well his arm is in a sling now, wasn't like that yesterday.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=217893
Wee boys with skinny arms shudnt be throwing punches at big boys! Cavan no11 shud never play again, kickn some1 in ground is cowardly act! Cavan tried to take Clarke out if it in the row but they 4got hes from Cross!!!
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 08, 2014, 08:53:22 PM
Quote from: JP on June 08, 2014, 07:12:13 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 08, 2014, 07:00:00 PM
Will be interesting to see how many are banned. Was McGeeney the brains behind injuring Dunne before the game
Lets be clear here. It was the Cavan men that started the row.
Didn't know Mckeever was from Cavan.
Where you even at the game? McKeever didn't hit himself in the chest.
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 08, 2014, 08:53:22 PM
Quote from: JP on June 08, 2014, 07:12:13 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 08, 2014, 07:00:00 PM
Will be interesting to see how many are banned. Was McGeeney the brains behind injuring Dunne before the game
Lets be clear here. It was the Cavan men that started the row.
Didn't know Mckeever was from Cavan.
Cavan started the row, thats fact! Now we can debate why the row started, thats something dirent! Cavan landed over and tried to throw their weight around and will think about it b4 doing it again!
Quote from: orange on June 08, 2014, 08:55:51 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 08, 2014, 08:40:48 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 08, 2014, 07:48:36 PM
The row seemed to be because Armagh stood behind the wrong flag. Cavan ran into the parade as a group. It looked planned and stupid. It helped settle nerves on Armagh team. Do not buy the theory that Dunne got injured then. The rumour was that he wouldn't start and I did not see anyone assess his injury. Jack Brady ran up to the team group and Dunne returned to the dug out. Looked like a prep landed late switch. For Armagh Donaghy came to the sideline for treatment before joining parade. Surprised more not made of the couple of 'nudges' Jamie got when parade broke up given what went on before.
Well his arm is in a sling now, wasn't like that yesterday.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=217893
Wee boys with skinny arms shudnt be throwing punches at big boys! Cavan no11 shud never play again, kickn some1 in ground is cowardly act! Cavan tried to take Clarke out if it in the row but they 4got hes from Cross!!!
Lol. ;D
Quote from: JP on June 08, 2014, 08:57:59 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 08, 2014, 08:53:22 PM
Quote from: JP on June 08, 2014, 07:12:13 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 08, 2014, 07:00:00 PM
Will be interesting to see how many are banned. Was McGeeney the brains behind injuring Dunne before the game
Lets be clear here. It was the Cavan men that started the row.
Didn't know Mckeever was from Cavan.
Where you even at the game? McKeever didn't hit himself in the chest.
What was McKeever standing behind the wrong flag for, he knew what he was doing and was looking for a reaction.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 08, 2014, 08:45:53 PM
Showing abit of manners and class and stand behind your own flag would been nice,easy to say Cavan started it, would anything have happened if he stood under the armagh flag, the GAA version of Martin Johnson,
Nothing that happened in the brawl was acceptable, but big deal if he did stand behind the correct it doesn't mean that he deserves to be pushed/struck for it.
As for the Dunne incident, going by what I have read on Cavan forum on HS there was not much optimism of him starting.
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on June 08, 2014, 08:44:22 PM
Quote from: drici on June 08, 2014, 08:39:44 PM
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Chokeslam!
Paul Hearty in crowd wishing he hadn't retired
Quote from: EC Unique on June 08, 2014, 08:19:04 PM
Mckeever is never far away when the trampish behaviour starts. Is he from a traveling background?
Dang!
Quote from: Line Ball on June 08, 2014, 08:17:55 PM
Quote from: stew on June 08, 2014, 07:57:37 PM
If that wee Cavan bitch had done what she was bid it would have been a great parade with no fisticuffs!
The Cavan man struck first and Armagh proceeded to bate the shite out of them........ Could have happened to a Bishop!
:P
I appreciate you put a smilie in but thats a bit rough, smilie or no smilie.
Can't wait to see it on the Sunday Game this evening. I'm sure BBC and UTV will be all over it as well.
No it's not, I was joking and he deserved to be hit if he was standing under their fleg, that said you are one stupid hoor if you hit him!
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2014/0608/622413-violent-scenes-prior-to-armagh-and-cavan-clash/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2014/0608/622413-violent-scenes-prior-to-armagh-and-cavan-clash/)
No players were sent off by referee Marty Duffy.
An Ulster Council statement, issued to the BBC, said that the GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee will "view the referee's report and any action will arise from the findings."
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 08, 2014, 08:45:53 PM
Showing abit of manners and class and stand behind your own flag would been nice,easy to say Cavan started it, would anything have happened if he stood under the armagh flag, the GAA version of Martin Johnson,
Armagh were nearer the band and went to the stand side, so that Cavan could simply come along beside them without having to pass through them. Not an especially provocative thing to do. Cavan charged in unnecessarily. And while the parade handbags was rather unexpected, the afters on Clarke after the parade should have been spotted by the officials. who should have been on the alert by then.
Had Cavan simply not formed up and asked the ref to swap the positions they would have had the higher ground, charging in was unwise.
Question remains...why did McKeever line up behind the Cavan flag?
Having said that the Cavan player should not have barged into him because he did it.
He should have pointed it out to the referee who would have instructed Armagh to gather behind their own flag.
A yellow card for McKeever and a red for the Cavan boy!
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 08, 2014, 08:40:48 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 08, 2014, 07:48:36 PM
The row seemed to be because Armagh stood behind the wrong flag. Cavan ran into the parade as a group. It looked planned and stupid. It helped settle nerves on Armagh team. Do not buy the theory that Dunne got injured then. The rumour was that he wouldn't start and I did not see anyone assess his injury. Jack Brady ran up to the team group and Dunne returned to the dug out. Looked like a prep landed late switch. For Armagh Donaghy came to the sideline for treatment before joining parade. Surprised more not made of the couple of 'nudges' Jamie got when parade broke up given what went on before.
Well his arm is in a sling now, wasn't like that yesterday.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=217893
That could have been the case but you get suspicious when a physio does not check on him before decision made. Injury could also have been caused when/if he hit someone, done accidentally or by an Armagh player. Not right of media to hint that it was caused by an Armagh player without proof.
Jamie Clarke is Armagh captain.
Will we see the following headline in papers tomorrow
"Dunnes Sores"
GAA match regulations. No mention of particular sides, following flags or the like.
(a) Parade
(i) Only the 15 players commencing the game as per the official list handed to the Match Referee may remain on the field of play for the Parade/Amhrán na bhFiann. All other Players/Team Officials must vacate the field of play immediately after the toss of the coin and go to their designated area on the sideline/dugout/stand as appropriate.
(ii) Where a parade is organised, players shall march in numerical order (in their team positions) as per the match programme behind the Team Captain.
(iii) Tracksuits/Training tops shall not be worn during the parade without prior permission.
Quote from: EC Unique on June 08, 2014, 08:19:04 PM
Mckeever is never far away when the trampish behaviour starts. Is he from a traveling background?
Disgraceful racist comment
Must say some posters poor form with the names McKeever is being called. He stood behind the wrong flag. Big deal. He did not run thirty yards to charge into someone else. The dirty acts were from those kicking.
Can I pose another question. If Armagh had lined up behind their flag would the Cavan team have run around the back of the Armagh team to take their positions or run through Armagh to get there?
The only culprits are the ones who did the kicking not McKeever as he didn't break any rules.
Who determines where the teams line out behind the band for the parade? Is it agreed beforehand or is it just where the flag holders in the band stand?
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on June 08, 2014, 09:50:40 PM
Who determines where the teams line out behind the band for the parade? Is it agreed beforehand or is it just where the flag holders in the band stand?
Flag holders fault.
Quote from: EC Unique on June 08, 2014, 08:19:04 PM
Mckeever is never far away when the trampish behaviour starts. Is he from a traveling background?
naw he's from a Norse-Gaelic viking background, i thought you fellas down south would be familiar with the norsemen
The kicking was a disgrace and the player in question should get a year. To say he is the only culprit is bull. Armagh lads weren't exactly choirboys. As for the game itself Cavan's reliance on Mackey was shown and no one else was capable of breaking the game line Armagh created. People saying Cavan were negative must have being at a different game. Armagh played the negative stuff and broke at speed and power. Cavan were clueless when they got to the Armagh defensive line. Jack Brady is not inter county standard. Average club player and how can Jason McLoughlin start his first game of year on Jamie Clarke. Terry has his favourites and today exposes it.
Cavan were clearly guilty and should bear the brunt of what will hopefully be severe punishments. We dont need this sort of loutish behaviour.
Doubt anyone will mind drawing Cavan in the back door, their shooting was worse than Armagh's!
Good job Whelan and Tomas O Se are on the Sunday Game, neither shrinking violets in their day and I don't think they will sensationalise the melee.
Quote from: Zip Code on June 08, 2014, 10:06:25 PM
Doubt anyone will mind drawing Cavan in the back door, their shooting was worse than Armagh's!
No it wasn't. I would hazard a guess that Armagh had 15 wides, missed about four one on ones an dropped about 4 into the keepers arms.
Away from the row I thought Armagh well deserved their victory. It was refreshing to see an organised defense, particulary impressive when you think that McKeever made the most appearances in the league with just 3 appearances. No way would we have got relegated if that defense had been available to us.
Kevin Dyas was my man of the match. Linked up play brilliantly. Euguene McVerry also more then justified his inclusion, him combined with Caolan Rafferty means we have plenty of the pace on the break.
Monaghan/Tyrone will be very difficult, but very happy with the Armagh display today.
Does Rafferty miss the next match?
It has been a vintage Ulster championship so far. Fighting, pulling, dragging, terrible football, negativity, defensive systems, rain, and Free Presbyterian levels of dourness. The only thing missing so far has been an off-tune rendition of Amhran na bhFiann by a young female singer over a faulty public address system.
Picture doing the rounds of an armagh fan hitting a cavan player.
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 08, 2014, 10:16:10 PM
Picture doing the rounds of an armagh fan hitting a cavan player.
The live shot was on the 9:00 news.
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 08, 2014, 10:16:10 PM
Picture doing the rounds of an armagh fan hitting a cavan player.
Post it and shame the tr**p if true?
Quote from: yellowcard on June 08, 2014, 10:08:03 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on June 08, 2014, 10:06:25 PM
Doubt anyone will mind drawing Cavan in the back door, their shooting was worse than Armagh's!
No it wasn't. I would hazard a guess that Armagh had 15 wides, missed about four one on ones an dropped about 4 into the keepers arms.
I was basing it on % of shots to wides!
Disgraceful from Armagh lining up behind the wrong flag. It's clear what they were doing. They should be severely punished.
Quote from: Zip Code on June 08, 2014, 10:26:02 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 08, 2014, 10:16:10 PM
Picture doing the rounds of an armagh fan hitting a cavan player.
Post it and shame the tr**p if true?
Hold on, it could have been out of character. I'm told the spectator in question does not normally attack players during matches.
Do Armagh players know their own colours anymore?
This is Breffni last year. Home team on the stand side. Why should this not be case again?
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Quote from: armaghniac on June 08, 2014, 10:39:57 PM
This is Breffni last year. Home team on the stand side. Why should this not be case again?
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You will also note the team in blue and white is stood behind the blue and white flag, surprise surprise.
Quote from: Sea The Stars on June 08, 2014, 10:29:52 PM
Disgraceful from Armagh lining up behind the wrong flag. It's clear what they were doing. They should be severely punished.
Are you being serious?? Sure the reasonable reaction to that is shove the Armagh lads outs of the way. There are actually no rules regarding which flag teams should line up behind during the parade. There are no grounds on which to punish Armagh for that.
So Much media coverage over a handbag incident... And that is what it was apart from Jamie being kicked on the ground and that was disgraceful.
I was at the match and to be honest Armagh bossed it:
I was in the stand but seeing videos on Armaghh GAA forum the Cavan players came in pushing and shoving and started the scuffle ( and that is all it was)..... Please excuse the PC brigade
If anything it did add to the pre match tension and while the teams paraded the noise from both supporters was great to hear.
Despite the scuffle at the start I watched and every player at the end - man for man- shuck their opponents hands. How does this comapre with rugby spear man tackles and soccers over-hyped divers....... They stood toe to toe representing their jersey and wanting to win and indeed played hard..... But this was a great GAA contest
Armagh Player per player
On other boards there have been some critics of MCEvoy but he did really well I thought under pressure and with great varied kickouts.
FBL - Morgan and andy were excedllent. Charlie had slow start but was great after 20 mins and cleared the line for the goal
HBL - Bremdy. CMK and MShields did brilliant. We couldn't keep Aaron on bench all day so Mark was shepherd crooked but did nothing wrong.... Great defensive disply
MF - Toner was IMMENSE and for me MOTM..... Findon did ok but Ethan Showed that he should be there in 2nd half
HFL. I have been a critic of Dyas but today he showed up everywhere... Eating my hat as he was an outlet and didn't give a stray pass. McVerry put in a hell of a shift and must have been dead on his legs when taken off as OPTA STATS would show him covering everywhere i would say. Caoloan was just brilliant too. His defender was so cocky pre- match but is he now -NO........ And to score the goal from that angle.... SUPERB
FFL.....
Jamie was beaten, shirt pulled and sttod upon but showed why in top 3 fwds in Ireland. Only downside is he tried to get goal of season by beating ever back while goal at mercy...... but who am i to criticise
Soupy - not best days as missed two golden goal chances. He is a confidence player and on another day he could have scored 2-5... Wouldn't it be worse if we didn't have a p[layer to get into these spaces.... Always works his socks off and will give everything. His day will come
Ethan..... FF not his position. When moved to MF he was immense. He is strong, young, athletic and his 45 showed he can point them from 60 yards out.... He is the future and could be better than Mr McGrane..... His catch to set up Aaron for goal chance was something else.
To think - if best 15 start we can have Harold, McKeown, Shields, Mallon, Soupy and much much more talent on bench is sending good vibes
The future is bright the future is orange
To those saying the caveat we only beat Cavan..... We didn't beat them we destroyed them... If we took scores we would have won by 10 - 15
Quote from: EC Unique on June 08, 2014, 08:19:04 PM
Mckeever is never far away when the trampish behaviour starts. Is he from a traveling background?
mc keever did nothing wrong
on the match Armagh were excellent, cavan very poor
will say we have a game plan and it works
first time in a while we weren't bullied and it was fking great
Obv McKeever knew what he was at
FFS asking the flag holders to change
Bad form really
But Cavan guys had no business wading in
Rules to make this rubbish punishable by red cards in future would stop lads standing behind wrong flags to provoke a reaction ( as ridiculous as that sounds)
The red card is already the sanction for lads striking or hitting - so initial Cavan instigator should have seen red , plus any other contributors to the 'melee'
Not good for the watching world to see to be honest - Gaa and ulster football have a bad enough reputation already.
Stupid stuff. Good win for Armagh all the same.
I thought Cavan would win by 2 or 3 points!
Quote from: armaghniac on June 08, 2014, 10:39:57 PM
This is Breffni last year. Home team on the stand side. Why should this not be case again?
(http://www.hoganstand.com/Common/NewGallery/inph0709933.jpg)
Correct
Why have parades? They cause enough of grief in Norn Iron.
After watching that it didn't look that bad.
Typical Ulster thuggery. Taking out the opposition's star forward before the throw in is not a handbags incident.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2014/0608/622413-violent-scenes-prior-to-armagh-and-cavan-clash/
The video clip from the news (link above) doesn't make for good viewing
That looked really poor to be honest. Really thuggish. Feel sorry for the young band members who should not be subjected to such. The powers that be need to come down hard on the thugs involved and show that this is not acceptable.
Quote from: Sea The Stars on June 08, 2014, 10:40:53 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 08, 2014, 10:39:57 PM
This is Breffni last year. Home team on the stand side. Why should this not be case again?
(http://www.hoganstand.com/Common/NewGallery/inph0709933.jpg)
You will also note the team in blue and white is stood behind the blue and white flag, surprise surprise.
normal practice that home side march inside
love the fact that Armagh stood up and were counted
fking great
sorry still on the beer
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on June 08, 2014, 11:06:31 PM
Were you at the match? Did you see what was done to Jamie Clarke during the row? Fact is the Cavan players started it
We've seen enough of parading Orangemen starting riots over a fleg in wider society to want to see it in the GAA, thank you.
Quote from: Sidney on June 08, 2014, 11:04:09 PM
Typical Ulster thuggery. Taking out the opposition's star forward before the throw in is not a handbags incident.
Were you at the match? Did you see what was done to Jamie Clarke during the row? Fact is the Cavan team started it
Childish stuff all round, serious load of nonsense.
Quote from: hardstation on June 08, 2014, 11:07:28 PM
Quote from: Sidney on June 08, 2014, 11:04:09 PM
Typical Ulster thuggery. Taking out the opposition's star forward before the throw in is not a handbags incident.
It's bloody brilliant. In fact, they should have gone to his house earlier in the week and kidnapped him.
:D
Shed a tear.
Ulster football at its romantic best.
Quote from: barelegs on June 08, 2014, 11:05:42 PM
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2014/0608/622413-violent-scenes-prior-to-armagh-and-cavan-clash/
The video clip from the news (link above) doesn't make for good viewing
Not good at all have seen worse at a GAA game though.
Quote from: Sidney on June 08, 2014, 11:04:09 PM
Typical Ulster thuggery. Taking out the opposition's star forward before the throw in is not a handbags incident.
It didn't really work, the only person liable to be suspended should be the Cavan player for kicking Jamie Clarke while he was lying on the ground.
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on June 08, 2014, 11:09:17 PM
Quote from: Sidney on June 08, 2014, 11:04:09 PM
Typical Ulster thuggery. Taking out the opposition's star forward before the throw in is not a handbags incident.
Were you at the match? Did you see what was done to Jamie Clarke during the row? Fact is the Cavan team started it
Armagh started it. Fooking apes. The whole thing planned by Grimley and McGeeney no doubt.
Were you at the game?
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on June 08, 2014, 11:22:50 PM
Were you at the game?
There's a great thing called a camera (granted the camerawork is usually shit at Ulster championship matches) which means you don't have to be at the game to see what happened.
Quote from: Sidney on June 08, 2014, 11:04:09 PM
Typical Ulster thuggery. Taking out the opposition's star forward before the throw in is not a handbags incident.
At the end of the row dunne can be seem walking away and there doesn't look to be anything wrong with him. I'm not convinced the story is true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlrPZKGiqRU
Can clearly see Cavan player running at McKeever in this clip
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 08, 2014, 11:29:13 PM
Quote from: Sidney on June 08, 2014, 11:04:09 PM
Typical Ulster thuggery. Taking out the opposition's star forward before the throw in is not a handbags incident.
At the end of the row dunne can be seem walking away and there doesn't look to be anything wrong with him. I'm not convinced the story is true.
I'm not a medical expert but I think it's possible to walk with an injured arm.
Quote from: Sidney on June 08, 2014, 11:32:03 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 08, 2014, 11:29:13 PM
Quote from: Sidney on June 08, 2014, 11:04:09 PM
Typical Ulster thuggery. Taking out the opposition's star forward before the throw in is not a handbags incident.
At the end of the row dunne can be seem walking away and there doesn't look to be anything wrong with him. I'm not convinced the story is true.
I'm not a medical expert but I think it's possible to walk with an injured arm.
Quote from: Sidney on June 08, 2014, 11:17:29 PM
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on June 08, 2014, 11:09:17 PM
Quote from: Sidney on June 08, 2014, 11:04:09 PM
Typical Ulster thuggery. Taking out the opposition's star forward before the throw in is not a handbags incident.
Were you at the match? Did you see what was done to Jamie Clarke during the row? Fact is the Cavan team started it
Armagh started it. Fooking apes. The whole thing planned by Grimley and McGeeney no doubt.
Lies
I was at that side
Cavan started it
Tough shit for them we stood toe to toe
L
On the radio coverage Oisin McConville reckoned one of the Armagh players head butted Dunne's fist!!
Can even see Cavan goalkeeper running at Mallon for no apparent reason
http://balls.ie/gaa/the-apparent-fan-punch-cavan-armagh/?utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter
Quote from: Sandy Hill on June 08, 2014, 11:33:03 PM
On the radio coverage Oisin McConville reckoned one of the Armagh players head butted Dunne's fist!!
;D
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 08, 2014, 11:35:25 PM
http://balls.ie/gaa/the-apparent-fan-punch-cavan-armagh/?utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter
That isn't acceptable. Neither is the punch in the back of the head.
Quote from: Sidney on June 08, 2014, 11:08:56 PM
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on June 08, 2014, 11:06:31 PM
Were you at the match? Did you see what was done to Jamie Clarke during the row? Fact is the Cavan players started it
We've seen enough of parading Orangemen starting riots over a fleg in wider society to want to see it in the GAA, thank you.
You have it easy, do you ever get stuck behind orange marches when out driving? stop complaining
G what a gypsy, second that wouldn't want to give a gypsy a bad name, hes lucky the Cavan player never seen him or he been into the crowd, just like that film slapshot with the Hansons
Quote from: Sidney on June 08, 2014, 11:24:05 PM
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on June 08, 2014, 11:22:50 PM
Were you at the game?
There's a great thing called a camera (granted the camerawork is usually shit at Ulster championship matches) which means you don't have to be at the game to see what happened.
Yes that's RTE camera operators for you
Quote from: EC Unique on June 08, 2014, 08:19:04 PM
Mckeever is never far away when the trampish behaviour starts. Is he from a traveling background?
What an absolutely disgraceful comment. One minute you are saying how these scenes are a real bad image to be semding out when trying to promote the game abroad. Then you make a comment like that. What image are you sending to newbies to GAA with comments like that??
You wouldn't say it to his face but you can happily write it behind a keyboard knowing you are hundreds of miles away!! Absolutely disgraceful...hang your head in shame!!
Quote from: EC Unique on June 08, 2014, 11:05:54 PM
That looked really poor to be honest. Really thuggish. Feel sorry for the young band members who should not be subjected to such. The powers that be need to come down hard on the thugs involved and show that this is not acceptable.
Should an amateur sportsman be subjected to the comments you made about him earlier? Maybe you should be banned from commenting on the game in future??
Ah lads and lassies, is it not being taken to the extreme calling it thuggery. Was Paul Grimley not right with his comments that it was only a bit of pulling and pushing. Are we going soft?
Quote from: antoinse on June 08, 2014, 11:52:09 PM
Ah lads and lassies, is it not being taken to the extreme calling it thuggery. Was Paul Grimley not right with his comments that it was only a bit of pulling and pushing. Are we going soft?
95% of it was handbags and would be regarded as "play" in a rugby game. There many have been some punches thrown and these should be investigated.
Well done Armagh revenge gained and a easier win than i expected, tougher test ahead in the next game. Cavan a bit too fired up they couldn't deliver the performance they hoped for after throw in as it took them almost fifty minutes to score from play.
This was not handbags, end of story , punches were thrown and fists and foots went in . I was standing a few yards from it with my wife and seven year old daughter. Cavan came straight across and went right into the Armagh team. The band have a lot to answer for as to the Ulster council . It is the perogative of the home team to hold the inside walk .The Ulster council officials watched the Enniskillen band put the Cavan flag in the inside walk. This should not have happened and I dont blame Cavan for wanting to march behind their flag. Sloppy arrangements by people who should know better . As for EC Unique anouncement that K M C Keever must be be from the travelling community is really distasteful and racist. Coming from a member of club who I know so well , I find this totally out of character with a great club.
Quote from: rionach 4 on June 09, 2014, 12:39:45 AM
This was not handbags, end of story , punches were thrown and fists and foots went in . I was standing a few yards from it with my wife and seven year old daughter. Cavan came straight across and went right into the Armagh team. The band have a lot to answer for as to the Ulster council . It is the perogative of the home team to hold the inside walk .The Ulster council officials watched the Enniskillen band put the Cavan flag in the inside walk. This should not have happened and I dont blame Cavan for wanting to march behind their flag. Sloppy arrangements by people who should know better . As for EC Unique anouncement that K M C Keever must be be from the travelling community is really distasteful and racist. Coming from a member of club who I know so well , I find this totally out of character with a great club.
Does it make much ficking difference where lads walk around a pitch? Hardly worth battering a head off some lads for.
Typical Orangemen over-reaction.
Quote from: trileacman on June 09, 2014, 12:43:57 AM
Quote from: rionach 4 on June 09, 2014, 12:39:45 AM
This was not handbags, end of story , punches were thrown and fists and foots went in . I was standing a few yards from it with my wife and seven year old daughter. Cavan came straight across and went right into the Armagh team. The band have a lot to answer for as to the Ulster council . It is the perogative of the home team to hold the inside walk .The Ulster council officials watched the Enniskillen band put the Cavan flag in the inside walk. This should not have happened and I dont blame Cavan for wanting to march behind their flag. Sloppy arrangements by people who should know better . As for EC Unique anouncement that K M C Keever must be be from the travelling community is really distasteful and racist. Coming from a member of club who I know so well , I find this totally out of character with a great club.
Does it make much ficking difference where lads walk around a pitch? Hardly worth battering a head off some lads for.
Typical Orangemen over-reaction.
This is a wind up about it being the band's fault and the Ulster council's fault.
Quote from: orangeman on June 09, 2014, 12:46:00 AM
Quote from: trileacman on June 09, 2014, 12:43:57 AM
Quote from: rionach 4 on June 09, 2014, 12:39:45 AM
This was not handbags, end of story , punches were thrown and fists and foots went in . I was standing a few yards from it with my wife and seven year old daughter. Cavan came straight across and went right into the Armagh team. The band have a lot to answer for as to the Ulster council . It is the perogative of the home team to hold the inside walk .The Ulster council officials watched the Enniskillen band put the Cavan flag in the inside walk. This should not have happened and I dont blame Cavan for wanting to march behind their flag. Sloppy arrangements by people who should know better . As for EC Unique anouncement that K M C Keever must be be from the travelling community is really distasteful and racist. Coming from a member of club who I know so well , I find this totally out of character with a great club.
Does it make much ficking difference where lads walk around a pitch? Hardly worth battering a head off some lads for.
Typical Orangemen over-reaction.
This is a wind up about it being the band's fault and the Ulster council's fault.
Is it really?
Quote from: trileacman on June 09, 2014, 12:52:11 AM
Quote from: orangeman on June 09, 2014, 12:46:00 AM
Quote from: trileacman on June 09, 2014, 12:43:57 AM
Quote from: rionach 4 on June 09, 2014, 12:39:45 AM
This was not handbags, end of story , punches were thrown and fists and foots went in . I was standing a few yards from it with my wife and seven year old daughter. Cavan came straight across and went right into the Armagh team. The band have a lot to answer for as to the Ulster council . It is the perogative of the home team to hold the inside walk .The Ulster council officials watched the Enniskillen band put the Cavan flag in the inside walk. This should not have happened and I dont blame Cavan for wanting to march behind their flag. Sloppy arrangements by people who should know better . As for EC Unique anouncement that K M C Keever must be be from the travelling community is really distasteful and racist. Coming from a member of club who I know so well , I find this totally out of character with a great club.
Does it make much ficking difference where lads walk around a pitch? Hardly worth battering a head off some lads for.
Typical Orangemen over-reaction.
This is a wind up about it being the band's fault and the Ulster council's fault.
Is it really?
The band should be in front of the CCCCCCCCCCCC this week to explain their actions.
No its not a wind up and i have great respect for Cavan as a team but in all championship matches the home team where playable walks the inside line and the flag by the band or whatever is carried and the teams line up Armagh without even thinking lined up on the inside and Cavan came across looking to parade behind their flag which is understandable and hence the melee ensued. There was no premeditation to this and it was unfortunate the way it turned out.
Quote from: rionach 4 on June 09, 2014, 12:58:16 AM
No its not a wind up and i have great respect for Cavan as a team but in all championship matches the home team where playable walks the inside line and the flag by the band or whatever is carried and the teams line up Armagh without even thinking lined up on the inside and Cavan came across looking to parade behind their flag which is understandable and hence the melee ensued. There was no premeditation to this and it was unfortunate the way it turned out.
Are you sure you're not winding ?
And how can you be sure about the lack of premeditation ?
It didnt look like it from where I was standing directly in front of the melee. There didn't seem to be an obvious ploy when Armagh walked over to the sideline. When Cavan came over all hell broke loose and speaking to my own clubman who was in the thick of it he was as surprised as any. For me it was one of those things nothing deliberate but something that went quickly out of control.
Never mind who hit who and who put which flag where and all this other minor stuff. Surely the real important question is and this affects every living soul..... does anyone know what colour the future is now😊 :D.......is there even a future at all now???
Nothing new then.....we are well used to Orangemen fighting over where they should march!
Was it a flag or a fleg >:( ;D
As soon as I heard there was a brawl I thought McKeever had to have started it and sure enough he did. Coming to the end of his career at this stage you'd think he'd want at least one season where he doesn't act like a kn**ker. Not a footballer at all!
Quote from: Sidney on June 08, 2014, 11:32:03 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 08, 2014, 11:29:13 PM
Quote from: Sidney on June 08, 2014, 11:04:09 PM
Typical Ulster thuggery. Taking out the opposition's star forward before the throw in is not a handbags incident.
At the end of the row dunne can be seem walking away and there doesn't look to be anything wrong with him. I'm not convinced the story is true.
I'm not a medical expert but I think it's possible to walk with an injured arm.
I'm not a medical expert either but if someone is walking with both arms moving by their side as they walk and there is no sign of pain I'd be pretty sure they hadn't just broken an arm or anything too serious.
Quote from: OakleafCounty on June 09, 2014, 08:30:52 AM
As soon as I heard there was a brawl I thought McKeever had to have started it and sure enough he did. Coming to the end of his career at this stage you'd think he'd want at least one season where he doesn't act like a kn**ker. Not a footballer at all!
He didn't start it you toolbag.
Shameful scenes. The Armagh supporter who took the swing over the fence at the Cavan player shouldnt be allowed into another game.
In football terms, didnt see enough of it. The 40 odd seconds dedicated to it on the Sunday Game was also shameful.
Sitting nicely for the winners of Monaghan/Tyrone next week, as they'll likely face an Armagh team now with a few suspensions from yesterday.
Quote from: Bensars on June 09, 2014, 09:24:22 AM
Shameful scenes. The Armagh supporter who took the swing over the fence at the Cavan player shouldnt be allowed into another game.
Agreed. I don't see any real difference between this and the Louth lads who chased Sludden across Croke Pk after the Leinster final.
Once any spectator gets involved with anything on the pitch we're in very dangerous territory.
Life ban from all Gaelic Games
That Enniskillen band has form. I remember them marching over to our side of the pitch in Clones, pointing their bugles at us and taunting us with Cavan tunes. Now the shower of thugs are organising flash-bashes in Armagh and even inciting use of the foots!
Quote from: Hardy on June 09, 2014, 09:52:20 AM
That Enniskillen band has form. I remember them marching over to our side of the pitch in Clones, pointing their bugles at us and taunting us with Cavan tunes. Now the shower of thugs are organising flash-bashes in Armagh and even inciting use of the foots!
I propose that they should get their instruments taken off them. All instruments including the triangle which could be used to cause career ending injury.
Quote from: Bensars on June 09, 2014, 09:24:22 AM
Shameful scenes. The Armagh supporter who took the swing over the fence at the Cavan player shouldnt be allowed into another game.
In football terms, didnt see enough of it. The 40 odd seconds dedicated to it on the Sunday Game was also shameful.
fixture scheduling wise, we had 3 odd championship matches played in the first maybe 5 weeks. Then, on one weekend, we have a cartload. Be hard to cover them all as much as we want, but yes, it was scant coverage.
Re the supporter taking a swing at the Cavan player, name, shame and ban for life, no question. I've recently witnessed 'supporters' giving abuse to subs warming up...what the buck is the matter with some folk?!
If the home team are designated to walk on the outside of the pitch closest to the stands then why after the melee had broken up did the Ulster Council officials order that the Cavan flag holder remain on the outside? Did the Ulster council make a mistake and then fail to rectify it or was it a case that the band made the mistake by having the flag holders on the wrong sides. Its interesting to hear so many people slating McKeever when they weren't even at the match, McKeever done nothing wrong and he even advised the Cavan flag holder that she was on the wrong side. The Armagh flag holder then asked her to swap but she refused to move over to where she should have been. I don't think any bans will result after the Sunday Game played it down for a change last night.
It has overshadowed what was a very good Armagh performance bar the woeful finishing. Armagh if they had taken their chances should have won this game by 10-15 points but it leaves plenty to work on for the next game.
Definitely a long ban for the flag bearer and the Ulster council official who failed to rectify the mistake in putting the Cavan flag to the wrong side.
Shame on the Ulster council. This is unforgivable. This sort of thing should be organised and rehearsed before the game so that shindigs like this don't happen. It's a learning curve for Ulster council and the band too.
Quote from: stephenite on June 09, 2014, 09:51:51 AM
Quote from: Bensars on June 09, 2014, 09:24:22 AM
Shameful scenes. The Armagh supporter who took the swing over the fence at the Cavan player shouldnt be allowed into another game.
Agreed. I don't see any real difference between this and the Louth lads who chased Sludden across Croke Pk after the Leinster final.
Once any spectator gets involved with anything on the pitch we're in very dangerous territory.
Life ban from all Gaelic Games
It's a good thing none of the players seemed to notice him do it.
Things could have gotten messy.
Well, messier.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2014, 10:04:54 AM
If the home team are designated to walk on the outside of the pitch closest to the stands then why after the melee had broken up did the Ulster Council officials order that the Cavan flag holder remain on the outside? Did the Ulster council make a mistake and then fail to rectify it or was it a case that the band made the mistake by having the flag holders on the wrong sides. Its interesting to hear so many people slating McKeever when they weren't even at the match, McKeever done nothing wrong and he even advised the Cavan flag holder that she was on the wrong side. The Armagh flag holder then asked her to swap but she refused to move over to where she should have been. I don't think any bans will result after the Sunday Game played it down for a change last night.
It has overshadowed what was a very good Armagh performance bar the woeful finishing. Armagh if they had taken their chances should have won this game by 10-15 points but it leaves plenty to work on for the next game.
Don't waste your time posting facts on here, there's too much craic to be had in slating individual players!!
Quote from: mackers on June 09, 2014, 10:22:52 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2014, 10:04:54 AM
If the home team are designated to walk on the outside of the pitch closest to the stands then why after the melee had broken up did the Ulster Council officials order that the Cavan flag holder remain on the outside? Did the Ulster council make a mistake and then fail to rectify it or was it a case that the band made the mistake by having the flag holders on the wrong sides. Its interesting to hear so many people slating McKeever when they weren't even at the match, McKeever done nothing wrong and he even advised the Cavan flag holder that she was on the wrong side. The Armagh flag holder then asked her to swap but she refused to move over to where she should have been. I don't think any bans will result after the Sunday Game played it down for a change last night.
It has overshadowed what was a very good Armagh performance bar the woeful finishing. Armagh if they had taken their chances should have won this game by 10-15 points but it leaves plenty to work on for the next game.
Don't waste your time posting facts on here, there's too much craic to be had in slating individual players!!
Ironically enough mostly by Tyrone fans it seems!!
Let those in charge deal with the aftermath of the Armagh v Cavan Championship game ... just a little reading to help them along
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The words GIve Respect Get Respect come to mind
Did nothing wrong??? Going by the footage not only did Armagh kick it off (1st to raise fists), but their supporters attack Cavan players and once things are calmed down McKeever attempts to start it all again by lining up behind the Cavan flag again until the officials step in and tell him to wise up.
Now you have supporters referring to the poor flag bearer as a b*tch. Classy stuff!
Just to clear up any confusion about Armagh "taking out" Martin Dunne. After the parade Cavan were lined up in front of the goals for the anthem at which point Dunne was getting treatment on his hand from the physio. His HAND, not his ARM. The TV pictures last night showed him in a sling on the sideline but he had an ice-pack on his hand. I'm not 100% sure how this happened as I didn't see it but maybe he punched someone during the melee. Or maybe, as Oisin McConville suggested, an Armagh player head butted him on the hand.
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 09, 2014, 10:47:23 AM
Did nothing wrong??? Going by the footage not only did Armagh kick it off (1st to raise fists), but their supporters attack Cavan players and once things are calmed down McKeever attempts to start it all again by lining up behind the Cavan flag again until the officials step in and tell him to wise up.
Now you have supporters referring to the poor flag bearer as a b*tch. Classy stuff!
1) You weren't at the match so best not comment on something that you didn't witness.
2) Armagh did not kick it off, Cavan no.6 did by taking a 10 yard charge at McKeever.
3) ONE supporter took an air shot at a Cavan player (not plural)
4) McKeever did not attempt to start it all again, he stood his ground as any man would do. Do you really think he was going to back down and move to the other side.
5) Again ONE poster called her a b***h and whilst I don't know his intentions I think we can safely assume the comment was made in jest.
- Cavan started it, no questions about that.
- Home team traditionally march at stand side.
- It was mostly handbags.
- There will be repercussions, and Cavan need to accept the majority of those. If they had not shown uncontrolled aggression as they did, then the incident would not have happened, and that's that. Cavan definitely came off the worse for the encounter, what did they expect, Armagh to just roll over and let themselves be 'pushed around' in their home ground, or any other ground for that matter!
I'd be interested to know who placed the flag holders in their positions ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyYoL-660-Q
Solid Air Punch...
Quote from: harlechman on June 09, 2014, 10:49:08 AM
Just to clear up any confusion about Armagh "taking out" Martin Dunne. After the parade Cavan were lined up in front of the goals for the anthem at which point Dunne was getting treatment on his hand from the physio. His HAND, not his ARM. The TV pictures last night showed him in a sling on the sideline but he had an ice-pack on his hand. I'm not 100% sure how this happened as I didn't see it but maybe he punched someone during the melee. Or maybe, as Oisin McConville suggested, an Armagh player head butted him on the hand.
Thanks for clearing up that confusion.
Quote from: DoireGael on June 09, 2014, 11:05:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyYoL-660-Q
Solid Air Punch...
wtf was he thinking?!...should be sent to the looney farm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_CvMTay-qAc#t=0
Quote from: drici on June 09, 2014, 11:32:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_CvMTay-qAc#t=0
actually didn't look too bad now that I have seen it
would say a fine will be dished out to the counties
I think the posting by Oakleaf County should be removed immediately as it is deeply offensive to our Travelling Community and to avoid possible litegation
Quote from: naka on June 09, 2014, 11:35:20 AM
would say a fine will be dished out to the counties
Paying out money will be very painful to the Cavan men. Justice.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 09, 2014, 11:10:18 AM
Quote from: harlechman on June 09, 2014, 10:49:08 AM
Just to clear up any confusion about Armagh "taking out" Martin Dunne. After the parade Cavan were lined up in front of the goals for the anthem at which point Dunne was getting treatment on his hand from the physio. His HAND, not his ARM. The TV pictures last night showed him in a sling on the sideline but he had an ice-pack on his hand. I'm not 100% sure how this happened as I didn't see it but maybe he punched someone during the melee. Or maybe, as Oisin McConville suggested, an Armagh player head butted him on the hand.
Thanks for clearing up that confusion.
Glad you were able to follow.
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 09, 2014, 10:47:23 AM
Did nothing wrong??? Going by the footage not only did Armagh kick it off (1st to raise fists), but their supporters attack Cavan players and once things are calmed down McKeever attempts to start it all again by lining up behind the Cavan flag again until the officials step in and tell him to wise up.
Now you have supporters referring to the poor flag bearer as a b*tch. Classy stuff!
What a muppet you are.
If we take the schmozzel between Longford and Wexford last year as the example (remember the Longford physio ripping off the glasses to get involved) then a slap on wrists and a fine.
Amazing to think this row only lead to about 2 lines from me and one from a Wex lad. We all agreed it was stupid and moved on and had fun at the physio's expense.
Move a similar row 80 miles north and suddenly there is more hot air to melt polar caps.
Move on lads FFS and forget about it. Take a fine and stop the finger pointing like children in a playground.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 09, 2014, 12:49:21 PM
If we take the schmozzel between Longford and Wexford last year as the example (remember the Longford physio ripping off the glasses to get involved) then a slap on wrists and a fine.
Amazing to think this row only lead to about 2 lines from me and one from a Wex lad. We all agreed it was stupid and moved on and had fun at the physio's expense.
Move a similar row 80 miles north and suddenly there is more hot air to melt polar caps.
Move on lads FFS and forget about it. Take a fine and stop the finger pointing like children in a playground.
That's all well and good but they started it!
Cavan are full of hot air, as was evidenced by their claims in the press last week. The Cavan lads and their supporters thought they were Ulster champs in waiting. a limited team with a limited management. Probably the most arrogant / ignorant Supporters around at the minute.
Quote from: samwin08 on June 09, 2014, 12:57:13 PM
Cavan are full of hot air, as was evidenced by their claims in the press last week. The Cavan lads and their supporters thought they were Ulster champs in waiting. a limited team with a limited management. Probably the most arrogant / ignorant Supporters around at the minute.
Everyone's a winner at something.
Quote from: Carbery on June 09, 2014, 11:41:10 AM
I think the posting by Oakleaf County should be removed immediately as it is deeply offensive to our Travelling Community and to avoid possible litegation
Wise up I could have said any word. It was more to do with the way McKeever has always conducted himself than travellers. But I apologise to travellers for accidentally linking a knob like McKeever to them. Though I would like to see him in a real bare knuckle fight getting the hammering he needs.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 09, 2014, 12:56:55 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 09, 2014, 12:49:21 PM
If we take the schmozzel between Longford and Wexford last year as the example (remember the Longford physio ripping off the glasses to get involved) then a slap on wrists and a fine.
Amazing to think this row only lead to about 2 lines from me and one from a Wex lad. We all agreed it was stupid and moved on and had fun at the physio's expense.
Move a similar row 80 miles north and suddenly there is more hot air to melt polar caps.
Move on lads FFS and forget about it. Take a fine and stop the finger pointing like children in a playground.
That's all well and good but they started it!
And by "they", he means the Band.
It's a pity the band had no banjo player.
Quote from: samwin08 on June 09, 2014, 12:57:13 PM
Cavan are full of hot air, as was evidenced by their claims in the press last week. The Cavan lads and their supporters thought they were Ulster champs in waiting. a limited team with a limited management. Probably the most arrogant / ignorant Supporters around at the minute.
Good lad now please back up what you say with a bit of evidence?
Quote from: Jinxy on June 09, 2014, 01:10:38 PM
It's a pity the band had no banjo player.
They had but the lad playing it broke his banjo string in the row.
I heard McKeever was involved.
Not nothing but not the end of the world either, all you lads like the players need to calm a bit.
Looks like Cavan waded in after Armagh took their side but McKeever consciously took his team over behind the Cavan flag he is as much to blame. Just stand behind your own flag or get them to change it round to suit you, no need to be causing hassle by going out looking for a row at the parade. That's just f**king about.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2014, 10:04:54 AM
If the home team are designated to walk on the outside of the pitch closest to the stands then why after the melee had broken up did the Ulster Council officials order that the Cavan flag holder remain on the outside? Did the Ulster council make a mistake and then fail to rectify it or was it a case that the band made the mistake by having the flag holders on the wrong sides. Its interesting to hear so many people slating McKeever when they weren't even at the match, McKeever done nothing wrong and he even advised the Cavan flag holder that she was on the wrong side. The Armagh flag holder then asked her to swap but she refused to move over to where she should have been. I don't think any bans will result after the Sunday Game played it down for a change last night.
It has overshadowed what was a very good Armagh performance bar the woeful finishing. Armagh if they had taken their chances should have won this game by 10-15 points but it leaves plenty to work on for the next game.
I'm loving this phantom rule that the home team must be on the stand side for the parade!
Shame on the Ulster Council and the band for not consulting the phantom rule book ;D
Quote from: OakleafCounty on June 09, 2014, 01:00:45 PM
Quote from: Carbery on June 09, 2014, 11:41:10 AM
I think the posting by Oakleaf County should be removed immediately as it is deeply offensive to our Travelling Community and to avoid possible litegation
Wise up I could have said any word. It was more to do with the way McKeever has always conducted himself than travellers. But I apologise to travellers for accidentally linking a knob like McKeever to them. Though I would like to see him in a real bare knuckle fight getting the hammering he needs.
You sound like a lovely boy, maybe you should issue him a challenge?
Quote from: trileacman on June 09, 2014, 01:13:19 PM
Not nothing but not the end of the world either, all you lads like the players need to calm a bit.
Looks like Cavan waded in after Armagh took their side but McKeever consciously took his team over behind the Cavan flag he is as much to blame. Just stand behind your own flag or get them to change it round to suit you, no need to be causing hassle by going out looking for a row at the parade. That's just f**king about.
Yeah bit like a team daring to kick into the Hill before a match against the dubs!
Quote from: Hound on June 09, 2014, 01:24:45 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2014, 10:04:54 AM
If the home team are designated to walk on the outside of the pitch closest to the stands then why after the melee had broken up did the Ulster Council officials order that the Cavan flag holder remain on the outside? Did the Ulster council make a mistake and then fail to rectify it or was it a case that the band made the mistake by having the flag holders on the wrong sides. Its interesting to hear so many people slating McKeever when they weren't even at the match, McKeever done nothing wrong and he even advised the Cavan flag holder that she was on the wrong side. The Armagh flag holder then asked her to swap but she refused to move over to where she should have been. I don't think any bans will result after the Sunday Game played it down for a change last night.
It has overshadowed what was a very good Armagh performance bar the woeful finishing. Armagh if they had taken their chances should have won this game by 10-15 points but it leaves plenty to work on for the next game.
I'm loving this phantom rule that the home team must be on the stand side for the parade!
Shame on the Ulster Council and the band for not consulting the phantom rule book ;D
Its written in the great GAA rule book labelled "Tradition". Much more enforceable than any rule book.
just saw the row again on bbc news and i noticed a spectator from armagh swing a punch at a cavan player!!what ever players get in regards suspension is one thing but this clown should never be allowed into a gaa match again.
armagh done everything right, lining up on their normal side for their own home games, nothing new there, that's our standard practice.
the second them few cavan boys made a go for The Rock they may as well a signed their own death warrants, they picked the wrong man and the wrong team. was great to see every man bust their hole to go in and back up their main man, that told me a lot before a ball was even thrown in.
as for any repercussions, good luck trying to single out anyone especially from armagh, unless they think ciaran mckeever is just going to stand and take a hiding as he stands behind the band in his usual spot.
keep it lit Armagh and well done big Paul, Geezer and all the team
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Quote from: OakleafCounty on June 09, 2014, 01:00:45 PM
Quote from: Carbery on June 09, 2014, 11:41:10 AM
I think the posting by Oakleaf County should be removed immediately as it is deeply offensive to our Travelling Community and to avoid possible litegation
Wise up I could have said any word. It was more to do with the way McKeever has always conducted himself than travellers. But I apologise to travellers for accidentally linking a knob like McKeever to them. Though I would like to see him in a real bare knuckle fight getting the hammering he needs.
You sound like a lovely boy, maybe you should issue him a challenge?
Haha, aye alright then. Ciaran McKeever if your out there I'll fight ye! YOU UP FOR IT?
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Quote from: antoinse on June 08, 2014, 11:52:09 PM
Ah lads and lassies, is it not being taken to the extreme calling it thuggery. Was Paul Grimley not right with his comments that it was only a bit of pulling and pushing. Are we going soft?
Not soft no, but a terrible advert for our national sport. Even though I'm from Armagh, I'm again disappointed in the actions of a couple of Armagh players. Right in front of the fans, Ciaran McKeever had a Cavan player in a headlock for what seemed like minute (maybe shorter).
Amateur sport or not, that is not the kind of behaviour I expect from someone that our kids look up to.
Quote from: cockahoop on June 09, 2014, 01:48:52 PM
just saw the row again on bbc news and i noticed a spectator from armagh swing a punch at a cavan player!!what ever players get in regards suspension is one thing but this clown should never be allowed into a gaa match again.
Exactly.
If it happened in a playground what would you do
Take the Ball of them
Make them shake hands
Ball should be taken off both teams for the rest of the year
Total absolute Gobshites of little kids
Problem Solved no more Melees or other strange words we use for handbags and cute ass holes hitting from behind
Quote from: Abble on June 09, 2014, 01:49:40 PM
armagh done everything right, lining up on their normal side for their own home games, nothing new there, that's our standard practice.
the second them few cavan boys made a go for The Rock they may as well a signed their own death warrants, they picked the wrong man and the wrong team. was great to see every man bust their hole to go in and back up their main man, that told me a lot before a ball was even thrown in.
as for any repercussions, good luck trying to single out anyone especially from armagh, unless they think ciaran mckeever is just going to stand and take a hiding as he stands behind the band in his usual spot.
keep it lit Armagh and well done big Paul, Geezer and all the team
Who in the name of god is 'the Rock'?
presumably we do the same with the cork and waterford hurlers following the 'melee' after the penalty?
Ah but look-it, t'was only handbags, Ger.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 09, 2014, 02:47:13 PM
Quote from: Abble on June 09, 2014, 01:49:40 PM
armagh done everything right, lining up on their normal side for their own home games, nothing new there, that's our standard practice.
the second them few cavan boys made a go for The Rock they may as well a signed their own death warrants, they picked the wrong man and the wrong team. was great to see every man bust their hole to go in and back up their main man, that told me a lot before a ball was even thrown in.
as for any repercussions, good luck trying to single out anyone especially from armagh, unless they think ciaran mckeever is just going to stand and take a hiding as he stands behind the band in his usual spot.
keep it lit Armagh and well done big Paul, Geezer and all the team
Who in the name of god is 'the Rock'?
Former Cork Hurling full back Diarmud O'Sullivan. Didn't realise he plays for Armagh footballers these days.
Quote from: OakleafCounty on June 09, 2014, 02:50:37 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 09, 2014, 02:47:13 PM
Quote from: Abble on June 09, 2014, 01:49:40 PM
armagh done everything right, lining up on their normal side for their own home games, nothing new there, that's our standard practice.
the second them few cavan boys made a go for The Rock they may as well a signed their own death warrants, they picked the wrong man and the wrong team. was great to see every man bust their hole to go in and back up their main man, that told me a lot before a ball was even thrown in.
as for any repercussions, good luck trying to single out anyone especially from armagh, unless they think ciaran mckeever is just going to stand and take a hiding as he stands behind the band in his usual spot.
keep it lit Armagh and well done big Paul, Geezer and all the team
Who in the name of god is 'the Rock'?
Former Cork Hurling full back Diarmud O'Sullivan. Didn't realise he plays for Armagh footballers these days.
He prefers to go by the name Dwayne O'Sullivan these days
There would have been a bigger ruck if Armagh had been standing behind their own flag.
Quote from: AFS on June 09, 2014, 01:06:37 PM
Quote from: OakleafCounty on June 09, 2014, 01:00:45 PM
Quote from: Carbery on June 09, 2014, 11:41:10 AM
I think the posting by Oakleaf County should be removed immediately as it is deeply offensive to our Travelling Community and to avoid possible litegation
Wise up I could have said any word. It was more to do with the way McKeever has always conducted himself than travellers. But I apologise to travellers for accidentally linking a knob like McKeever to them. Though I would like to see him in a real bare knuckle fight getting the hammering he needs.
Perhaps you'll offer yourself as a challenger. You sound very tough, well on the Internet anyway.
;D ;D ;D A Slaughmanus man/woman calling someone a kn**ker, lol.
Out of interest how many of that Cavan team has ulster under 21 medals?
Wonder when the disciplinary meeting will be? I would rather Tyrone face a full Armagh side so there will be no excuses when we hammer them!
'Out of interest how many of that Cavan team has ulster under 21 medals?'
6 of the starting 15 named have U21 medals. & 10 of the 21 used have U21 medals.
Quote from: EC Unique on June 09, 2014, 03:21:46 PM
Wonder when the disciplinary meeting will be? I would rather Tyrone face a full Armagh side so there will be no excuses when we hammer them!
Armagh might be missing a couple for the Monaghan game, but by the time we meet Tyrone they will be back.
Quote from: EC Unique on June 09, 2014, 03:21:46 PM
Wonder when the disciplinary meeting will be? I would rather Tyrone face a full Armagh side so there will be no excuses when we hammer them!
Who out of the Armagh team will be disciplined?
Quote from: armaghniac on June 09, 2014, 03:42:33 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on June 09, 2014, 03:21:46 PM
Wonder when the disciplinary meeting will be? I would rather Tyrone face a full Armagh side so there will be no excuses when we hammer them!
Armagh might be missing a couple for the Monaghan game, but by the time we meet Tyrone they will be back.
Hopefully Tyrone can get one or two Monaghan players sent off ahead of our semi final with them. They are quite good at that.
Quote from: OakleafCounty on June 09, 2014, 08:30:52 AM
As soon as I heard there was a brawl I thought McKeever had to have started it and sure enough he did. Coming to the end of his career at this stage you'd think he'd want at least one season where he doesn't act like a kn**ker. Not a footballer at all!
who on earth says 'kn**ker' in county derry? quit with your southern slang
Some disgraceful stuff on this thread lots of which is libellous, racist and downright insulting. It's amazing how heroic some people can get when they are behind a keyboard under cover of an pseudonym. I urges the Mods to lock it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXFmG7bThRQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXFmG7bThRQ)
This Cavan group has a bit of history, 1 minute 30 seconds onwards.
Quote from: EC Unique on June 09, 2014, 03:21:46 PM
Wonder when the disciplinary meeting will be? I would rather Tyrone face a full Armagh side so there will be no excuses when we hammer them!
I hope so, I really do!!!
Quotethe second them few cavan boys made a go for The Rock they may as well a signed their own death warrants, they picked the wrong man and the wrong team. was great to see every man bust their hole to go in and back up their main man, that told me a lot before a ball was even thrown in.
Would this be the same "main man" that the squad had the captaincy stripped from 'cos the they couldn't stand him?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 09, 2014, 05:50:54 PM
http://f1.thejournal.ie/media/2012/08/photo-1-12-404x500.jpg (http://f1.thejournal.ie/media/2012/08/photo-1-12-404x500.jpg)
This Cavan group has a bit of history, 1 minute 30 seconds onwards.
Quote from: EC Unique on June 09, 2014, 03:21:46 PM
Wonder when the disciplinary meeting will be? I would rather Tyrone face a full Armagh side so there will be no excuses when we hammer them!
What that supposed to be ?
I hope so, I really do!!!
The Rock, McKeever?? Don't make me laugh i stood beside the cork`s Rock a few years back, an absolute monster of a man, couldn't believe a hurler could be that broad,!!
Thanks AFS, busy day today and wasn't watching what I was at!
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 09, 2014, 06:11:04 PM
Quotethe second them few cavan boys made a go for The Rock they may as well a signed their own death warrants, they picked the wrong man and the wrong team. was great to see every man bust their hole to go in and back up their main man, that told me a lot before a ball was even thrown in.
Would this be the same "main man" that the squad had the captaincy stripped from 'cos the they couldn't stand him?
Fill us in on that one will you please?
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 09, 2014, 06:11:04 PM
Quotethe second them few cavan boys made a go for The Rock they may as well a signed their own death warrants, they picked the wrong man and the wrong team. was great to see every man bust their hole to go in and back up their main man, that told me a lot before a ball was even thrown in.
Would this be the same "main man" that the squad had the captaincy stripped from 'cos the they couldn't stand him?
McKeever is Armagh captain.
I understand Cavan supporters sticking up for their team. That is only right. As an Armagh man I will stand up for my team too. But some of the comments particularly against McKeever are beyond acceptable. If he did stand behind the Cavan flag to rile Cavan then so what. As was discussed on the Cavanagh thread last year most players will try to get an advantage. Cavan were silly to go in mob handed. McKeever has a persona on the pitch that riles many. If he was so despicable an individual why was he picked as vice captain for his country. I am not a Cullyhanna man and do not know the man personally. What I do know, however, that is at county open nights and events he is very personable and absolutely great with the kids.
Sorry I should say I am not blaming Cavan supporters for the McKeever talk.
There's barely a cavan supporter commenting here!
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2014, 06:55:37 PM
There's barely a cavan supporter commenting here!
A few only! I added the last post to make sure those here realised I wasn't getting at them.
Seems to be mostly Tyrone fans and a St Galls man (for some strange reason) commenting against McKeever. No surprise with the Tyrone supporters but who would have known that St Galls or Antrim had a rivalry with McKeever?
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2014, 06:55:37 PM
There's barely a cavan supporter commenting here!
You're correct there. The other thing is that most of them weren't even at the game
Just an observation, from the footage I have seen as Cavan approached the parade Andy Mallon was down fixing his socks and another Armagh player was facing behind him - they hardly looked like men set up for a confrontation. When it did kick off more Armagh players stepped back from the melee than Cavan, again a suggestion they hadn't gone looking for this.
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on June 09, 2014, 07:07:28 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2014, 06:55:37 PM
There's barely a cavan supporter commenting here!
You're correct there. The other thing is that most of them weren't even at the game
Were you at the game??? There was a large Cavan support there I can tell you. We didnt have much to shout about that is all. If you go back to these pages before the match you'll find there was a conversation going on about how few Armagh fans were even commenting on the match but now ye are all coming out of the woodwork.
Anway. The fight has been well covered but my take on it is Armagh intentionally went to the wrong flag. Ye have form for messing in a parade, McGeeney himself was on a Armagh team that was at the same shite in Clones against Cavan on 02 or 03. Cavan seen the position that Armagh stood in as a challenge and ran into them and the rest you can see. Ironically Cavan won this psychological battle as Armagh had to move and Cavan held the early lead. But that was as good as it got for us. We were terrible. Armagh played 13 men behind the ball (what happened to Grimleys attacking philosophy) but to be honest I was expecting it. Seems to have taken Cavan management by surprise as we didnt have a clue. Our kickouts and runs for kickouts were as bad as I've seen in a long time from any team and only our Full Back line held their own. Armagh should have won that game by 15 points and they will be worried about their misses. People say Jamie Clarke played well, In my opinion he did only ok as he was very wasteful.
With all the chat about the fight another thing was missed and that was the performance of the referree Marty Duffy. Let me start by saying he in no way effected the outcome as Armagh were clearly miles better but he did show all that is wrong with new rules as he was completely incapable of implementing the rules. Here are some examples and I am sorry they are mostly Cavan ones but those stick in my mind more.
1- McKeever should have been given black card on 3 occassions. The last one he charged into Mackey with his fists up. Duffy pointed at him indicating he saw it and then gave him a yellow. Pathetic cowardly decision.
2- Half time scuffle. Keating missed a poor free. His marker runs over to him and starts mouthing into his ear. That is a black card offence. Keating enraged runs after him and charges into him and he gets the yellow.
3- Armagh get advantage, as the Armagh player pulls the trigger Duffy pulls him back for the free. Ball goes over the bar and the free is put wide.
4- 2nd half he throws up the ball and watches the Armagh midfielder bear hug Gearoid McKiernan 3 yards in front of him and then allows armagh run up the field unpunished to score a point.
5- He follows that up by giving Armagh a 45 which no one else on the pitch or in the ground could see.
6- When the game is over and there is nothing at stake, Marty decides he'll hand out the black card. Coward.
I am not saying he was biased to cavan, he is just absolutley diabolical ref that should be retired asap.
Best of luck to Armagh in the next round, ye will give Tyrone lots of it.
I'd just like to finish by saying I have never seen so many sober Armagh people in one place in my life. Surely a record. :-*
C`mon lads hes not commonly knowing as a escapee from Duffy's circus for nothing, ever time our county get him in a game i tremble,
According to Tony Fearon Jamie Clarke is Armagh captain and since Tony knows more about Armagh GAA than the rest of you lot put together......
In fairness to McKeever all he did was headlock the Cavan no 7 for about 10 mins. The only reason everyone is blaming him for the trouble is that it's usually his fault. ... according to Armagh people that is. .
Mylestheslasher I take your point on Duffy. I will say though that I think Keating got booked because he struck out - once at McGeeney as he ushered the Armagh player away. It is also nearly impossible for the referee to give a black card for verbals unless he hears it.
As for Clarke I would agree with you to some extent, but Armagh set up to use him more as a decoy and it worked.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 09, 2014, 07:35:40 PM
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on June 09, 2014, 07:07:28 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2014, 06:55:37 PM
There's barely a cavan supporter commenting here!
You're correct there. The other thing is that most of them weren't even at the game
Were you at the game??? There was a large Cavan support there I can tell you. We didnt have much to shout about that is all. If you go back to these pages before the match you'll find there was a conversation going on about how few Armagh fans were even commenting on the match but now ye are all coming out of the woodwork.
Anway. The fight has been well covered but my take on it is Armagh intentionally went to the wrong flag. Ye have form for messing in a parade, McGeeney himself was on a Armagh team that was at the same shite in Clones against Cavan on 02 or 03. Cavan seen the position that Armagh stood in as a challenge and ran into them and the rest you can see. Ironically Cavan won this psychological battle as Armagh had to move and Cavan held the early lead. But that was as good as it got for us. We were terrible. Armagh played 13 men behind the ball (what happened to Grimleys attacking philosophy) but to be honest I was expecting it. Seems to have taken Cavan management by surprise as we didnt have a clue. Our kickouts and runs for kickouts were as bad as I've seen in a long time from any team and only our Full Back line held their own. Armagh should have won that game by 15 points and they will be worried about their misses. People say Jamie Clarke played well, In my opinion he did only ok as he was very wasteful.
With all the chat about the fight another thing was missed and that was the performance of the referree Marty Duffy. Let me start by saying he in no way effected the outcome as Armagh were clearly miles better but he did show all that is wrong with new rules as he was completely incapable of implementing the rules. Here are some examples and I am sorry they are mostly Cavan ones but those stick in my mind more.
1- McKeever should have been given black card on 3 occassions. The last one he charged into Mackey with his fists up. Duffy pointed at him indicating he saw it and then gave him a yellow. Pathetic cowardly decision.
2- Half time scuffle. Keating missed a poor free. His marker runs over to him and starts mouthing into his ear. That is a black card offence. Keating enraged runs after him and charges into him and he gets the yellow.
3- Armagh get advantage, as the Armagh player pulls the trigger Duffy pulls him back for the free. Ball goes over the bar and the free is put wide.
4- 2nd half he throws up the ball and watches the Armagh midfielder bear hug Gearoid McKiernan 3 yards in front of him and then allows armagh run up the field unpunished to score a point.
5- He follows that up by giving Armagh a 45 which no one else on the pitch or in the ground could see.
6- When the game is over and there is nothing at stake, Marty decides he'll hand out the black card. Coward.
I am not saying he was biased to cavan, he is just absolutley diabolical ref that should be retired asap.
Best of luck to Armagh in the next round, ye will give Tyrone lots of it.
I'd just like to finish by saying I have never seen so many sober Armagh people in one place in my life. Surely a record. :-*
I'd have been surprised if Cavan didnt bring a big support. Usually do. Match not televised either
Cavan had a big support with them
Was sitting beside two elderly cavan men
Have to say perfect gentlemen , we chatted about game and try seemed very knowledgeable about tactics etc
They also told me that dunne wasn't starting so were surprised when he lined up
Were scathing on the Cavan kick out policy and about the room Caolan and Eugene had
When game over they shook hands with me and that was it.
Might seem silly but the row at the start set the game up nicely IMO.
Athletic Grounds was like a cauldron after that. Both teams raring to go but I think Cavan were a bit too psyched up. In terms of blame, both sides have to take some responsibility.. Cavan did start it though. :P
They seemed to search for confrontation in the early stages, and even in the match the no3 (Dunne?) was constantly acting the bollox for the duration of the first half.
Genuinely fancied Armagh to win after last year's debacle, but never as easy as they did. Lots of things to work on, especially in the forward line, but a semi-final in Clones to look for, myles you can see plenty of buckfast enthusiasts out that day I can assure you ;)
Quote from: naka on June 09, 2014, 08:34:25 PM
Cavan had a big support with them
Was sitting beside two elderly cavan men
Have to say perfect gentlemen , we chatted about game and try seemed very knowledgeable about tactics etc
They also told me that dunne wasn't starting so were surprised when he lined up
Were scathing on the Cavan kick out policy and about the room Caolan and Eugene had
When game over they shook hands with me and that was it.
Cavan folk are an affable bunch, the
real aristocrats of Ulster GAA and a county to be respected.
I noticed that most of the players also shook hands after which the BBC et al didn't really pick up on.
As someone who was at the Match yesterday, had the Band Member had the Flag in the correct place to begin with or moved the flag when she was asked by both McKeever and her band colleague the problem would not have arose. Cavan ran in and started throwing their weight around and the talk before the match with Cavan supporters was that Dunne was not starting anyway??? Coincidentally Brendan Donaghy received stitches to a head wound immediately after the brawl, he must have hit himself! It ironic that most of the posts that are disgusted by what happened are from Tyronies, the same ones who nearly blinded Brian McGuigan at a club match and the same Team who would dive and feign injury to get anyone sent off! Only good thing that can come out of this is that this will hopefully end the Fermanagh Band parading around at Ulster matches!
Quote from: general_lee on June 09, 2014, 08:39:04 PM
Quote from: naka on June 09, 2014, 08:34:25 PM
Cavan had a big support with them
Was sitting beside two elderly cavan men
Have to say perfect gentlemen , we chatted about game and try seemed very knowledgeable about tactics etc
They also told me that dunne wasn't starting so were surprised when he lined up
Were scathing on the Cavan kick out policy and about the room Caolan and Eugene had
When game over they shook hands with me and that was it.
Cavan folk are an affable bunch, the real aristocrats of Ulster GAA and a county to be respected.
I noticed that most of the players also shook hands after which the BBC et al didn't really pick up on.
Good point.
Very little talk on the actual game itself apart on here! The shenanigans pre parade did not benefit Cavan one bit. Everybody involved both directly and indirectly need to take a look at themselves, both sets of players, the band cocking up with the flags, and the Ulster Council suits being totally clueless as to what was happening. Martin Dunne was always starting, the questions marks were over Rory Dunne, not Martin, pre game as he sustained a foot injury a few weeks ago. As the teams were lining up for the anthem, Martin Dunne signalled to the bench that he was unable to start and Cavan sought permission from Martin Duffy to replace him with Jack. Any suggestions that he was targeted during the parade by Armagh are total bullshit. Brendan Donaghy received treatment right in front of the stand for about ten seconds, he didn't get stitches.
From a Cavan perspective we were as bad as we have been in a long time. Our inability to nullify Dyas throughout the game ultimately cost us. He was the outlet for every ball Armagh kicked out of defence and won it in front time and time again and was excellent when in possession too. Thought Jason did well on Jamie Clarke who was summed up for me in the space of about two minutes in the first half when kicking a scorable free wide and following it up shortly after with a massive point from 50yards. Our kick out strategy was baffling. Having our keeper and Alan Clarke coming out with the ball in hand from short kickouts was not what we wanted.
As for Duffy, he in no way contributed to our defeat and isn't worth even mentioning. If any good comes out of yesterday, please let it be the end of #thefutureisblue crap.
Quote from: Armagh Girl on June 09, 2014, 08:43:01 PM
As someone who was at the Match yesterday, had the Band Member had the Flag in the correct place to begin with or moved the flag when she was asked by both McKeever and her band colleague the problem would not have arose.
How do you know this?
Quote from: tommysmith on June 09, 2014, 09:19:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh Girl on June 09, 2014, 08:43:01 PM
As someone who was at the Match yesterday, had the Band Member had the Flag in the correct place to begin with or moved the flag when she was asked by both McKeever and her band colleague the problem would not have arose.
How do you know this?
Maybe she is McKeever. I have heard him called a big girl by opposition fans often enough! ;D
Only joking Armagh Girl.
I'm sorry but I dont buy the "mckeever was only trying to sort out the whole flag problem" chat. The nicest thing I could say is that he plays on the edge. The treatment he dished out to Mackey that the clown Duffy let go time and again was unreal.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 09, 2014, 09:42:54 PM
I'm sorry but I dont buy the "mckeever was only trying to sort out the whole flag problem" chat. The nicest thing I could say is that he plays on the edge. The treatment he dished out to Mackey that the clown Duffy let go time and again was unreal.
How does Duffy get away with it.
It's not a once off with him its every game.
Quote from: tommysmith on June 09, 2014, 09:46:18 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 09, 2014, 09:42:54 PM
I'm sorry but I dont buy the "mckeever was only trying to sort out the whole flag problem" chat. The nicest thing I could say is that he plays on the edge. The treatment he dished out to Mackey that the clown Duffy let go time and again was unreal.
How does Duffy get away with it.
It's not a once off with him its every game.
Not only that he gets away with it, he gets sent up to Ulster games that are notorious for the black arts. Its like some deluded loon in the referee committee think that Duffy is so good he will snuff it out when in fact he just makes it worse. Its rare you see supporters from both sides reduced to laughing at his decisions.
The Greco-Roman wrestling made it onto Sky sports News there this evening ;D Makes me laugh everytime I see it.
Hopefully Armagh don't have any suspensions out of this. It's now coming on 10 years of excuses for not being able to give Tyrone a game. We'd like to hammer the dung out of them at full strength..... yet again! :D
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 09, 2014, 07:35:40 PM
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on June 09, 2014, 07:07:28 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2014, 06:55:37 PM
There's barely a cavan supporter commenting here!
You're correct there. The other thing is that most of them weren't even at the game
Were you at the game??? There was a large Cavan support there I can tell you. We didnt have much to shout about that is all. If you go back to these pages before the match you'll find there was a conversation going on about how few Armagh fans were even commenting on the match but now ye are all coming out of the woodwork.
Anway. The fight has been well covered but my take on it is Armagh intentionally went to the wrong flag. Ye have form for messing in a parade, McGeeney himself was on a Armagh team that was at the same shite in Clones against Cavan on 02 or 03. Cavan seen the position that Armagh stood in as a challenge and ran into them and the rest you can see. Ironically Cavan won this psychological battle as Armagh had to move and Cavan held the early lead. But that was as good as it got for us. We were terrible. Armagh played 13 men behind the ball (what happened to Grimleys attacking philosophy) but to be honest I was expecting it. Seems to have taken Cavan management by surprise as we didnt have a clue. Our kickouts and runs for kickouts were as bad as I've seen in a long time from any team and only our Full Back line held their own. Armagh should have won that game by 15 points and they will be worried about their misses. People say Jamie Clarke played well, In my opinion he did only ok as he was very wasteful.
With all the chat about the fight another thing was missed and that was the performance of the referree Marty Duffy. Let me start by saying he in no way effected the outcome as Armagh were clearly miles better but he did show all that is wrong with new rules as he was completely incapable of implementing the rules. Here are some examples and I am sorry they are mostly Cavan ones but those stick in my mind more.
1- McKeever should have been given black card on 3 occassions. The last one he charged into Mackey with his fists up. Duffy pointed at him indicating he saw it and then gave him a yellow. Pathetic cowardly decision.
2- Half time scuffle. Keating missed a poor free. His marker runs over to him and starts mouthing into his ear. That is a black card offence. Keating enraged runs after him and charges into him and he gets the yellow.
3- Armagh get advantage, as the Armagh player pulls the trigger Duffy pulls him back for the free. Ball goes over the bar and the free is put wide.
4- 2nd half he throws up the ball and watches the Armagh midfielder bear hug Gearoid McKiernan 3 yards in front of him and then allows armagh run up the field unpunished to score a point.
5- He follows that up by giving Armagh a 45 which no one else on the pitch or in the ground could see.
6- When the game is over and there is nothing at stake, Marty decides he'll hand out the black card. Coward.
I am not saying he was biased to cavan, he is just absolutley diabolical ref that should be retired asap.
Best of luck to Armagh in the next round, ye will give Tyrone lots of it.
I'd just like to finish by saying I have never seen so many sober Armagh people in one place in my life. Surely a record. :-*
My comment was aimed at non Cavan posters on this thread. I was at the match, on the terrace close to the melee. There were a number of Cavan people round me and they were all dead on. I have no axe to grind with Cavan folk
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 09, 2014, 10:04:37 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on June 09, 2014, 09:46:18 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 09, 2014, 09:42:54 PM
I'm sorry but I dont buy the "mckeever was only trying to sort out the whole flag problem" chat. The nicest thing I could say is that he plays on the edge. The treatment he dished out to Mackey that the clown Duffy let go time and again was unreal.
How does Duffy get away with it.
It's not a once off with him its every game.
Not only that he gets away with it, he gets sent up to Ulster games that are notorious for the black arts. Its like some deluded loon in the referee committee think that Duffy is so good he will snuff it out when in fact he just makes it worse. Its rare you see supporters from both sides reduced to laughing at his decisions.
He must have some dirt on someone. It's ridiculous he's a top level ref.
(I don't like commenting on refs but this fella ruins so many games)
Quote from: Armagh Girl on June 09, 2014, 08:43:01 PM
As someone who was at the Match yesterday, had the Band Member had the Flag in the correct place to begin with or moved the flag when she was asked by both McKeever and her band colleague the problem would not have arose. Cavan ran in and started throwing their weight around and the talk before the match with Cavan supporters was that Dunne was not starting anyway??? Coincidentally Brendan Donaghy received stitches to a head wound immediately after the brawl, he must have hit himself! It ironic that most of the posts that are disgusted by what happened are from Tyronies, the same ones who nearly blinded Brian McGuigan at a club match and the same Team who would dive and feign injury to get anyone sent off! Only good thing that can come out of this is that this will hopefully end the Fermanagh Band parading around at Ulster matches!
Probably the best post on this thread. I too hope that the Fermanagh Band never darkens the door of the Athletic Grounds again. I wonder how much they have to get for playing at matches
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As someone who was at the Match yesterday, had the Band Member had the Flag in the correct place to begin with or moved the flag when she was asked by both McKeever and her band colleague the problem would not have arose. Cavan ran in and started throwing their weight around and the talk before the match with Cavan supporters was that Dunne was not starting anyway??? Coincidentally Brendan Donaghy received stitches to a head wound immediately after the brawl, he must have hit himself! It ironic that most of the posts that are disgusted by what happened are from Tyronies, the same ones who nearly blinded Brian McGuigan at a club match and the same Team who would dive and feign injury to get anyone sent off! Only good thing that can come out of this is that this will hopefully end the Fermanagh Band parading around at Ulster matches!
Regular Armagh poster posing as eye witness "
Armagh Girl " on 'her' first ever post blames:
- the Flag Girl for starting it all
- Dunne for feigning injury as he wasn't starting anyway according to reliable sources
- Tyrone thuggery!
- St Michaels Enniskillen
:D
No doubt
"Armagh Girl" normally doesn't contribute to discussion boards but felt
she simply had to come on and register to provide her eye witness testimony in support of the beleaguered and much-maligned men from her county.
Anyone else sick of reading about the pre parade?
There seems to be an awful lot of people presuming monaghan will be beaten next week which i find strange.
Just seen the "brawl". I was expecting a lot worse after all the talk. Meh, much ado about nothing.
Quote from: ardchieftain on June 09, 2014, 11:24:30 PM
Anyone else sick of reading about the pre parade?
There seems to be an awful lot of people presuming monaghan will be beaten next week which i find strange.
How would you be sick of the parade it was the best part of the match. Crowds would be up if we had a fight at every parade and if saint Michaels could get into the row too it would be great.
My final point, what is the technical term for the pre parade event onSunday, was it a melee, a shamozzle, a brawl or a free for all?
It would be terrible to be accused of shirt pulling.
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on June 10, 2014, 12:14:04 AM
My final point, what is the technical term for the pre parade event onSunday, was it a melee, a shamozzle, a brawl or a free for all?
Thats a good final point. We should develop GAABoard definitions for:
Handbags - hands on hips and making rude comments at each other
Melee - pushing and shoving, couple of players involved
Shamozzle -
Brawl -
Free for all - closed fist punches thrown, muliple players involved
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/27772718 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/27772718)
Quote from: EC Unique on June 10, 2014, 10:04:51 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/27772718 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/27772718)
I love this bit -
GAA president Liam O'Neill admitted the ugly clashes were worrying.
"Anything that damages our image is of concern to us and we will take this seriously," he said on Monday.
Quote from: orangeman on June 10, 2014, 10:08:02 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on June 10, 2014, 10:04:51 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/27772718 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/27772718)
I love this bit -
GAA president Liam O'Neill admitted the ugly clashes were worrying.
"Anything that damages our image is of concern to us and we will take this seriously," he said on Monday.
some boy
doing a deal with "the sun" damages our image
its all about money for these guys
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 09, 2014, 11:20:00 PM
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As someone who was at the Match yesterday, had the Band Member had the Flag in the correct place to begin with or moved the flag when she was asked by both McKeever and her band colleague the problem would not have arose. Cavan ran in and started throwing their weight around and the talk before the match with Cavan supporters was that Dunne was not starting anyway??? Coincidentally Brendan Donaghy received stitches to a head wound immediately after the brawl, he must have hit himself! It ironic that most of the posts that are disgusted by what happened are from Tyronies, the same ones who nearly blinded Brian McGuigan at a club match and the same Team who would dive and feign injury to get anyone sent off! Only good thing that can come out of this is that this will hopefully end the Fermanagh Band parading around at Ulster matches!
Regular Armagh poster posing as eye witness "Armagh Girl " on 'her' first ever post blames:
- the Flag Girl for starting it all
- Dunne for feigning injury as he wasn't starting anyway according to reliable sources
- Tyrone thuggery!
- St Michaels Enniskillen
:D
No doubt "Armagh Girl" normally doesn't contribute to discussion boards but felt she simply had to come on and register to provide her eye witness testimony in support of the beleaguered and much-maligned men from her county.
Ah, leave her alone.
We need more women posting.
Quote from: Orior on June 10, 2014, 09:33:34 AM
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on June 10, 2014, 12:14:04 AM
My final point, what is the technical term for the pre parade event onSunday, was it a melee, a shamozzle, a brawl or a free for all?
Thats a good final point. We should develop GAABoard definitions for:
Handbags - hands on hips and making rude comments at each other
Melee - pushing and shoving, couple of players involved
Shamozzle -
Brawl -
Free for all - closed fist punches thrown, muliple players involved
I has to be a melee, or there can't be any penalties. There's a rule about "contributing to a melee", but there's nothing about handbags (soccer term - drop it), schemozzles (get it right, Orior), brawls or free-for-alls.
While we're at it, we'll have to find words for a couple of other typical confrontations in GAA circumstances
where lads want to be seen not to be striking but still not taking any shite from each other:- chesting, where lads bump chests like a pair of sea-lions, with shoulders and arms thrown well back. They're usually doing a manic, open-mouthed Billy Sheehan laugh at the same time.
- shoulder charging each other repeatedly, usually with the wrist of the shouldering arm side clasped in the fist of the other arm.
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on June 10, 2014, 12:14:04 AM
My final point, what is the technical term for the pre parade event onSunday, was it a melee, a shamozzle, a brawl or a free for all?
Handbags.
Surely the latter is dunting, Hardy, as in "Give him a bit of a dunt".
Do it enough to a nippy corner forward and you'll be accused of dunting his growth.
Problems could arise if when speaking to the ref afterwards, you tell him you were only giving yer man a bit of a dunt, but the ref hears "Yer man is a bit of a dunt." Yellow upgraded to red.
Surely handbags is the correct term when mad Tyrone women use their personal effects carry case to assault poor innocent Kerry footballers with unusually long arms?
Quote from: easytiger95 on June 10, 2014, 12:27:55 PM
Surely the latter is dunting, Hardy, as in "Give him a bit of a dunt".
Do it enough to a nippy corner forward and you'll be accused of dunting his growth.
Problems could arise if when speaking to the ref afterwards, you tell him you were only giving yer man a bit of a dunt, but the ref hears "Yer man is a bit of a dunt." Yellow upgraded to red.
I thought a dunt was the application of the knee to the arse of a corner forward bending down to lift the ball.
I suppose we have to allow for local vernacular. A 'hev' was our term for the shouldering I mentioned, but previous research here indicated it was a finely localised expression.
Quote from: EC Unique on June 10, 2014, 10:04:51 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/27772718 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/27772718)
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t267/mrzeel/father-ted-careful-now.jpg)
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 10, 2014, 12:29:23 PM
Surely handbags is the correct term when mad Tyrone women use their personal effects carry case to assault poor innocent Kerry footballers with unusually long arms?
FFS leave our womenfolk out of it AZ! What would your missus do if assailed by an orangutan?
;)
Will the 2 Counties be expelled from the rest of the Championship(s)??
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2014, 12:53:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 10, 2014, 12:29:23 PM
Surely handbags is the correct term when mad Tyrone women use their personal effects carry case to assault poor innocent Kerry footballers with unusually long arms?
FFS leave our womenfolk out of it AZ! What would your missus do if assailed by an orangutan?
;)
You have the wrong lad. Buckley plays for Crokes.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 10, 2014, 12:54:03 PM
Will the 2 Counties be expelled from the rest of the Championship(s)??
Will they f**k!
Quote from: Hardy on June 10, 2014, 12:43:38 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on June 10, 2014, 12:27:55 PM
Surely the latter is dunting, Hardy, as in "Give him a bit of a dunt".
Do it enough to a nippy corner forward and you'll be accused of dunting his growth.
Problems could arise if when speaking to the ref afterwards, you tell him you were only giving yer man a bit of a dunt, but the ref hears "Yer man is a bit of a dunt." Yellow upgraded to red.
I thought a dunt was the application of the knee to the arse of a corner forward bending down to lift the ball.
I suppose we have to allow for local vernacular. A 'hev' was our term for the shouldering I mentioned, but previous research here indicated it was a finely localised expression.
What about left and right indicators. Practitioners of the indicators tend to be corner and full backs who, despite their eagerness to chase down the ball, feel it only right and proper to indicate to their marker which way they are intending to turn. Unfortunately sometimes said marker gets too close to the innocent full back, and makes accidental contact. Thereby giving rise to the 'Jaysus I hit a lad with a left indicator there, I think I broke his nose' saying common in the killing fields of Offaly club football.
Donnybrook : : a public argument
: an uncontrolled fight
Drumcree : a donnybrook which commences during a parade
The George : a tackle whereby the victim is hit from behind while bending over
Quote from: Rossfan on June 10, 2014, 12:54:03 PM
Will the 2 Counties be expelled from the rest of the Championship(s)??
I think it would not be fair to treat the victims of the attack in the same way as the instigators, so Cavan should be expelled twice and Armagh not at all. Perhaps the fairest thing would be put Cavan back in Div 3 and replace them in Div 2 with the highest of the two teams relegated.
Q.1 Apart from the Orange Order which is the only other Organisation in the 32 counties whose members and supporters
dress in ludicrous orange?
Q.2. Which County was the Orange order founded in?
Q.3. Who demanded that they parade the traditional route nearest the stand last Sunday?
Q.4. Who demanded that a flag from outside the 6 counties be moved from their traditional route last Sunday?
Q.5. Who never gets a big day out beyond the 12th July unless they follow their superior RED HAND brethren from across the
River Blackwater?
Answers on a postcard to Willie Frazer, Co Armagh. First prize is a bottle of Fanta.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 10, 2014, 01:01:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 10, 2014, 12:54:03 PM
Will the 2 Counties be expelled from the rest of the Championship(s)??
I think it would not be fair to treat the victims of the attack in the same way as the instigators, so Cavan should be expelled twice and Armagh not at all. Perhaps the fairest thing would be put Cavan back in Div 3 and replace them in Div 2 with the highest of the two teams relegated.
This is Cavans first problem with a parade, Armagh on the other hand have had multiple problems with parades. A warning for Cavan and Armagh to be booted out of the Ulster championship with a replacement team being entered on alphabetical order. Incidentally Cavan would be reinstated as amazingly Antrim are still in the championship.
Sean Cavanagh is disgusted with you Armagh hallions
http://www.thescore.ie/armagh-cavan-brawl-1508427-Jun2014/
Quote from: sheamy on June 10, 2014, 02:55:07 PM
Sean Cavanagh is disgusted with you Armagh hallions
http://www.thescore.ie/armagh-cavan-brawl-1508427-Jun2014/
from the pictures on that site. The coward (who should receive a lifetime ban) who hit the Cavan defender is standing to the right Armagh supporter with the hat, sunglasses and wooleny things. It looks like he is standing behind him, tight greying dark hair wearing glasses
(http://f0.thejournal.ie/media/2014/06/the-two-teams-clash-before-the-game-8-630x420.jpg)
Is that Sean Hurson the Tyrone referee that was linesman in the picture?
Quote from: EC Unique on June 10, 2014, 03:10:26 PM
Is that Sean Hurson the Tyrone referee that was linesman in the picture?
Yes
Was McKeever racially abused?
Heard today that the fella who swung for the Cavan player is a Ref!! Could be a spoof, but told to me as a true bill.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 10, 2014, 05:53:02 PM
Heard today that the fella who swung for the Cavan player is a Ref!! Could be a spoof, but told to me as a true bill.
He has a strong left hook, could have been a boxer in his youth. He defended his county stoutly.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 10, 2014, 06:23:25 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 10, 2014, 05:53:02 PM
Heard today that the fella who swung for the Cavan player is a Ref!! Could be a spoof, but told to me as a true bill.
He has a strong left hook, could have been a boxer in his youth. He defended his county stoutly.
He also needs a new prescription for those glasses.
What is about Marty Duffy. He's make it rain in Qatar.
Quote from: redhandloo on June 10, 2014, 03:28:13 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on June 10, 2014, 03:10:26 PM
Is that Sean Hurson the Tyrone referee that was linesman in the picture?
Yes
:o - haven't heard of Sean since we went to university together - good for him
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 10, 2014, 08:11:54 PM
Quote from: redhandloo on June 10, 2014, 03:28:13 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on June 10, 2014, 03:10:26 PM
Is that Sean Hurson the Tyrone referee that was linesman in the picture?
Yes
:o - haven't heard of Sean since we went to university together - good for him
Know Sean a bit through work. A decent sort. A rarity in Tyrone. ;)
Quote from: sheamy on June 10, 2014, 02:55:07 PM
Sean Cavanagh is disgusted with you Armagh hallions
http://www.thescore.ie/armagh-cavan-brawl-1508427-Jun2014/
Sean Cavanagh is a very talented footballer but he nor many other members of that Tyrone side of the noughties can take the moral high ground in regard to Sunday. Their behaviour for much of that time was a disgrace, If they weren't throwing knees into people's faces they were roaring obscenities at opponents, diving or trying to ref the game themselves. Laughable someone like him (again a great footballer) gets all moral about this. Tyronies are no saints, see below...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXg_JYPkDac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ5vyc-B_dk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTADWd6cgkk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v954WVzDfMg
Shows the hypocrites they are. Hopefully your post will shut them up
What happened on Sunday was a picnic compared to those incidents!
Quote from: you take er! on June 10, 2014, 10:02:24 PM
Quote from: sheamy on June 10, 2014, 02:55:07 PM
Sean Cavanagh is disgusted with you Armagh hallions
http://www.thescore.ie/armagh-cavan-brawl-1508427-Jun2014/
Sean Cavanagh is a very talented footballer but he nor many other members of that Tyrone side of the noughties can take the moral high ground in regard to Sunday. Their behaviour for much of that time was a disgrace, If they weren't throwing knees into people's faces they were roaring obscenities at opponents, diving or trying to ref the game themselves. Laughable someone like him (again a great footballer) gets all moral about this. Tyronies are no saints, see below...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXg_JYPkDac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ5vyc-B_dk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTADWd6cgkk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v954WVzDfMg
Sean dived in there without thinking. :)
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Quote from: you take er! on June 10, 2014, 10:02:24 PM
Quote from: sheamy on June 10, 2014, 02:55:07 PM
Sean Cavanagh is disgusted with you Armagh hallions
http://www.thescore.ie/armagh-cavan-brawl-1508427-Jun2014/
Sean Cavanagh is a very talented footballer but he nor many other members of that Tyrone side of the noughties can take the moral high ground in regard to Sunday. Their behaviour for much of that time was a disgrace, If they weren't throwing knees into people's faces they were roaring obscenities at opponents, diving or trying to ref the game themselves. Laughable someone like him (again a great footballer) gets all moral about this. Tyronies are no saints, see below...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXg_JYPkDac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ5vyc-B_dk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTADWd6cgkk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v954WVzDfMg
Sean dived in there without thinking. :)
[/quote]
;D
Poor Sean wouldn't be used to brawls in Tyrone i suppose.
feel sorry for armagh. id imagine a few key players could be suspended for the semi final. they can handle any team if they have all out.
Quote from: Throw ball on June 10, 2014, 09:54:23 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 10, 2014, 08:11:54 PM
Quote from: redhandloo on June 10, 2014, 03:28:13 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on June 10, 2014, 03:10:26 PM
Is that Sean Hurson the Tyrone referee that was linesman in the picture?
Yes
:o - haven't heard of Sean since we went to university together - good for him
Know Sean a bit through work. A decent sort. A rarity in Tyrone. ;)
He still doing the QS work?
I expect Croke Park to punish the man that struck. Armagh will appeal and get off on a misspelling and then spend the next twenty plus years denying it ever happened.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on June 11, 2014, 07:50:44 AM
I expect Croke Park to punish the man that struck. Armagh will appeal and get off on a misspelling and then spend the next twenty plus years denying it ever happened.
You must write comedy for a living. ::)
Quote from: Zip Code on June 11, 2014, 08:06:25 AM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on June 11, 2014, 07:50:44 AM
I expect Croke Park to punish the man that struck. Armagh will appeal and get off on a misspelling and then spend the next twenty plus years denying it ever happened.
Quote from: Zip Code on June 09, 2014, 12:35:09 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 09, 2014, 10:47:23 AM
Did nothing wrong??? Going by the footage not only did Armagh kick it off (1st to raise fists), but their supporters attack Cavan players and once things are calmed down McKeever attempts to start it all again by lining up behind the Cavan flag again until the officials step in and tell him to wise up.
Now you have supporters referring to the poor flag bearer as a b*tch. Classy stuff!
What a muppet you are.
Quote from: Zip Code on June 09, 2014, 09:01:51 AM
Quote from: OakleafCounty on June 09, 2014, 08:30:52 AM
As soon as I heard there was a brawl I thought McKeever had to have started it and sure enough he did. Coming to the end of his career at this stage you'd think he'd want at least one season where he doesn't act like a kn**ker. Not a footballer at all!
He didn't start it you toolbag.
Brilliant- just what the board needs, another angry Armagh person with small man/only one all ireland syndrome.
As opposed to pricks who weren't at the match making snide comments about everything Armagh - grow up asshole.
(http://www.bigtravelweb.com/images/fishing-l.jpg)
The new mc Keever grip??
Right on schedule, the annual influx of school children begins to add some mature, thoughtful discussion to the GAA board.
Quote from: J70 on June 11, 2014, 12:35:33 PM
Right on schedule, the annual influx of school children begins to add some mature, thoughtful discussion to the GAA board.
Like the thoughtful discussion you have shared with us all over the years!!! ::)
What years? Sure you've just joined and made 20 posts according to the little thing under your name. It's almost as if you've created a new username or something :)
Quote from: Zip Code on June 11, 2014, 12:38:10 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 11, 2014, 12:35:33 PM
Right on schedule, the annual influx of school children begins to add some mature, thoughtful discussion to the GAA board.
Like the thoughtful discussion you have shared with us all over the years!!! ::)
"Us"????
QuoteThe woman who was carrying the Cavan flag at the Athletic Grounds on Sunday has pointed the finger of blame in the direction of Armagh captain Ciaran McKeever.
Ballyconnell native Paula Brady, a member of the St Michael's Band, Enniskillen, gave her version of accounts to the Anglo Celt newspaper and she accused McKeever and his team-mates of instigating the unsightly melee.
"The Armagh captain came up and said 'Move'. I said 'pardon?' and he said 'Move to f**k to the other side' ... If he had asked me politely, I'd have said 'certainly, no problem'.
"It has happened before, we just go with the flow."
Ms Brady - who also revealed that the woman carrying the Armagh flag was an aunt of an Orchard County player - added: "The Cavan team were supposed to be behind the Cavan flag and they came to where they were supposed to be.
"Armagh weren't for moving and that's when the shuffling started."
She believes McKeever should get his "knuckles rapped".
"I think he should be spoken to. We have a great affiliation to the Armagh team, they share picnics with us at matches in Clone and it is a lovely rapport. That was spoiled on Sunday."
No more picnic's for you Armagh boys!
Quote from: J70 on June 11, 2014, 01:10:41 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on June 11, 2014, 12:38:10 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 11, 2014, 12:35:33 PM
Right on schedule, the annual influx of school children begins to add some mature, thoughtful discussion to the GAA board.
Like the thoughtful discussion you have shared with us all over the years!!! ::)
"Us"????
The board. ;)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 11, 2014, 01:19:31 PM
QuoteThe woman who was carrying the Cavan flag at the Athletic Grounds on Sunday has pointed the finger of blame in the direction of Armagh captain Ciaran McKeever.
Ballyconnell native Paula Brady, a member of the St Michael's Band, Enniskillen, gave her version of accounts to the Anglo Celt newspaper and she accused McKeever and his team-mates of instigating the unsightly melee.
"The Armagh captain came up and said 'Move'. I said 'pardon?' and he said 'Move to f**k to the other side' ... If he had asked me politely, I'd have said 'certainly, no problem'.
"It has happened before, we just go with the flow."
Ms Brady - who also revealed that the woman carrying the Armagh flag was an aunt of an Orchard County player - added: "The Cavan team were supposed to be behind the Cavan flag and they came to where they were supposed to be.
"Armagh weren't for moving and that's when the shuffling started."
She believes McKeever should get his "knuckles rapped".
"I think he should be spoken to. We have a great affiliation to the Armagh team, they share picnics with us at matches in Clone and it is a lovely rapport. That was spoiled on Sunday."
Did McKeever tell the Cavan players to charge him and start the row, she wouldn't be biased!
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on June 11, 2014, 10:34:16 AM
(http://www.bigtravelweb.com/images/fishing-l.jpg)
Look at the lobes on that?
Peter the Great thinks similar,
QuoteA lot of people were wondering how it all kicked off. Well it was plain and simple. There was an Armagh flag and a Cavan flag, and the Armagh players lined up behind the Cavan flag. I imagine that was deliberate, an effort to draw them in and confront them. Cavan fell for it and all of a sudden we had a wrestling match. It was a case of Armagh laying down a marker
http://www1.skysports.com/gaelic-football/news/12040/9343517/gaa-sky-sports-expert-peter-cavanan-reviews-the-weekends-championship-action (http://www1.skysports.com/gaelic-football/news/12040/9343517/gaa-sky-sports-expert-peter-cavanan-reviews-the-weekends-championship-action)
Terrible stuff altogher.
Peter would have been another player to make a big deal out of nothing. If he was there at the weekend he might just have managed to beat his previous best of 60 seconds.
2003 and 2005 must have really hurt ye boys
Quote from: Bensars on June 11, 2014, 02:02:53 PM
Peter the Great thinks similar,
QuoteA lot of people were wondering how it all kicked off. Well it was plain and simple. There was an Armagh flag and a Cavan flag, and the Armagh players lined up behind the Cavan flag. I imagine that was deliberate, an effort to draw them in and confront them. Cavan fell for it and all of a sudden we had a wrestling match. It was a case of Armagh laying down a marker
http://www1.skysports.com/gaelic-football/news/12040/9343517/gaa-sky-sports-expert-peter-cavanan-reviews-the-weekends-championship-action (http://www1.skysports.com/gaelic-football/news/12040/9343517/gaa-sky-sports-expert-peter-cavanan-reviews-the-weekends-championship-action)
Terrible stuff altogher.
Hard to argue with what he says. Just facts.
QuoteCavan's Martin Dunne suffered suspected multiple hand and wrist fractures in the pre-match brawl which marred the Ulster SFC game against Armagh.
The forward was unable to play in the game because of the injury and could now be ruled out for several weeks.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 11, 2014, 02:22:11 PM
QuoteCavan's Martin Dunne suffered suspected multiple hand and wrist fractures in the pre-match brawl which marred the Ulster SFC game against Armagh.
The forward was unable to play in the game because of the injury and could now be ruled out for several weeks.
Conviently leaving out the how it happened?
QuoteIt is understood that Dunne may have been stepped on during the melee and that it may have been accidental.
The whole notion that Armagh started the row target Dunne is pure shite, as for the interview in an Cavan newspaper, interviewing the member of the band from Cavan, well that is going to be so impartial...pile of shit the lot.
He 'may' have been stepped on, and it 'may' have been an accident. Or he may have been stamped on deliberately :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 02:41:50 PM
He 'may' have been stepped on, and it 'may' have been an accident. Or he may have been stamped on deliberately :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRDpEqXDM2g&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRDpEqXDM2g&feature=youtu.be)
Not much stamping here as he 'helps' Jamie up from the ground! A cowardly sneaky thump on a man lying on the ground is how he hurt his own hand.
The only thing Armagh did was aim for the stand side of the parade, they may have expected this, they may even have been told this or they may simply have expected the flag bearers to swap. They were standing out of Cavan's way, chatting, tieing laces etc and suddenly Cavan piled in.
Quotehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRDpEqXDM2g&feature=youtu.be
Bit of a swing there by the Cavan man at 0:08.
I'm neither from Tyrone or Armagh...
From the outside looking in I think that McKeever clearly had a large part in instigating all of this. Unless he didn't look at the flags of course...
However it is laughable Tyrone supporters saying what they do about McKeever. McMenamim was as bad , if not worse than, McKeever and there is definitely one other "old guard" currently playing who's in that league too!
Most teams these days have boys like this. They are almost always man marking defenders too. It's not exclusive to Armagh.
Cavan haven't come out of this with much glory either. Their no. 4 and no.6 weren't exactly angels in the whole scenario!
QuoteThe woman who was carrying the Cavan flag at the Athletic Grounds on Sunday has pointed the finger of blame in the direction of Armagh captain Ciaran McKeever.
Ballyconnell native Paula Brady, a member of the St Michael's Band, Enniskillen, gave her version of accounts to the Anglo Celt newspaper and she accused McKeever and his team-mates of instigating the unsightly melee.
"The Armagh captain came up and said 'Move'. I said 'pardon?' and he said 'Move to f**k to the other side' ... If he had asked me politely, I'd have said 'certainly, no problem'.
"It has happened before, we just go with the flow."
Ms Brady - who also revealed that the woman carrying the Armagh flag was an aunt of an Orchard County player - added: "The Cavan team were supposed to be behind the Cavan flag and they came to where they were supposed to be.
"Armagh weren't for moving and that's when the shuffling started."
She believes McKeever should get his "knuckles rapped".
"I think he should be spoken to. We have a great affiliation to the Armagh team, they share picnics with us at matches in Clones and it is a lovely rapport. That was spoiled on Sunday."
A real nice guy it seems! ::)
Quote from: EC Unique on June 11, 2014, 03:17:15 PM
QuoteThe woman who was carrying the Cavan flag at the Athletic Grounds on Sunday has pointed the finger of blame in the direction of Armagh captain Ciaran McKeever.
Ballyconnell native Paula Brady, a member of the St Michael's Band, Enniskillen, gave her version of accounts to the Anglo Celt newspaper and she accused McKeever and his team-mates of instigating the unsightly melee.
"The Armagh captain came up and said 'Move'. I said 'pardon?' and he said 'Move to f**k to the other side' ... If he had asked me politely, I'd have said 'certainly, no problem'.
"It has happened before, we just go with the flow."
Ms Brady - who also revealed that the woman carrying the Armagh flag was an aunt of an Orchard County player - added: "The Cavan team were supposed to be behind the Cavan flag and they came to where they were supposed to be.
"Armagh weren't for moving and that's when the shuffling started."
She believes McKeever should get his "knuckles rapped".
"I think he should be spoken to. We have a great affiliation to the Armagh team, they share picnics with us at matches in Clones and it is a lovely rapport. That was spoiled on Sunday."
A real nice guy it seems! ::)
And of course it must be true because she said it, he said/she said!!! I would doubt she is a good 'source' anyway! :P Awful amount of Tyrone ones in here worrying about what Armagh are doing, nearly as bad as Man U fans and theirobsession with Liverpool ;D
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Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 02:41:50 PM
He 'may' have been stepped on, and it 'may' have been an accident. Or he may have been stamped on deliberately :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRDpEqXDM2g&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRDpEqXDM2g&feature=youtu.be)
Not much stamping here as he 'helps' Jamie up from the ground! A cowardly sneaky thump on a man lying on the ground is how he hurt his own hand.
I did think that it sounded like something he may have got himself, but in fairness that video proves nothing. It was a bad belt he threw there on the ground, but it didn't look hard enough to break his own hand. I wonder was he stepped on beforehand?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 11, 2014, 03:06:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 02:41:50 PM
He 'may' have been stepped on, and it 'may' have been an accident. Or he may have been stamped on deliberately :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRDpEqXDM2g&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRDpEqXDM2g&feature=youtu.be)
Not much stamping here as he 'helps' Jamie up from the ground! A cowardly sneaky thump on a man lying on the ground is how he hurt his own hand.
Gee's. That puts a different complexion on it altogether, never seen that camera angle until now. He got what he deserved then.
http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/boxers-fracture?print=true
Boxer's Fracture
Boxer's Fracture Overview
A boxer's fracture is defined as a break through the bones of the hand that form the knuckles. Some doctors use the term "brawler's fracture" rather than "boxer's fracture" because a boxer is not likely to get this injury. The less well-trained brawlers have to learn how to punch without hurting themselves.
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 11, 2014, 03:06:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 02:41:50 PM
He 'may' have been stepped on, and it 'may' have been an accident. Or he may have been stamped on deliberately :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRDpEqXDM2g&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRDpEqXDM2g&feature=youtu.be)
Not much stamping here as he 'helps' Jamie up from the ground! A cowardly sneaky thump on a man lying on the ground is how he hurt his own hand.
I did think that it sounded like something he may have got himself, but in fairness that video proves nothing. It was a bad belt he threw there on the ground, but it didn't look hard enough to break his own hand. I wonder was he stepped on beforehand?
AZ, while not definite it does look like he went away holding his hand. I know it is the Hogan Stand but they state that he may have been stamped on and it may have been accidental. If he had been stamped on then there would have been a 'stamping shocker' statement to that effect.It is a load of balls and I don'tbuy into this BS that Armagh went out witha pre-planned idea. I have it fromgood authority that they were told toline upon the outside by the stewards and that the flag was in the wrong place 'by mistake'. As for what McKeever is alleged to have said to the poor girl, no-one can contradict that bar McKeever but no-one has confirmed it either.
Yeah, he's definitely holding his hand. I was just wondering if he'd been stamped on before, and then hit the lad on the ground, which would obviously hurt if his hand was broken. Then again, why would you punch someone if your hand was sore in the first place. Unless he can't punch on his weaker side. Ignoring the basics up in Cavan.
And for what it is worth, I am no die-hard Armagh fan. I want to see them do well for my friends who are on the squad. It is the f**king bane of my life from my own perspective at the minute because of the knockon effect it has on me in other capacities but ye just get on with it. I don't like the whole demonisation of Armagh when they were clearly not the physical aggressors here whether they lined up in the perceived wrong place or not and I feel Cavan are getting a huge bye-ball.
Has it been established that Dunne was actually going to start the game or not ? I'm sorry for asking if it has already been answered in this thread previously. Are Cavan claiming that he was going to play, got injured however it happened in the melee and then wasn't in a position to play cos he got nailed ?.
Quote from: God14 on June 11, 2014, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 11, 2014, 03:06:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 02:41:50 PM
He 'may' have been stepped on, and it 'may' have been an accident. Or he may have been stamped on deliberately :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRDpEqXDM2g&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRDpEqXDM2g&feature=youtu.be)
Not much stamping here as he 'helps' Jamie up from the ground! A cowardly sneaky thump on a man lying on the ground is how he hurt his own hand.
Gee's. That puts a different complexion on it altogether, never seen that camera angle until now. He got what he deserved then.
Dirty deed and then ran away like a coward, Tyronies have some obsession with Armagh - did 2002 hurt that much, Armagh winning it first!
Quote from: God14 on June 11, 2014, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 11, 2014, 03:06:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 02:41:50 PM
He 'may' have been stepped on, and it 'may' have been an accident. Or he may have been stamped on deliberately :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRDpEqXDM2g&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRDpEqXDM2g&feature=youtu.be)
Not much stamping here as he 'helps' Jamie up from the ground! A cowardly sneaky thump on a man lying on the ground is how he hurt his own hand.
Gee's. That puts a different complexion on it altogether, never seen that camera angle until now. He got what he deserved then.
tell you what dunne himself might be in diffs after that
Heaney was quick to insinuate things about Armagh in the irish news but from what I saw on sunday and nowJamie was targeted
the wee girl who give the interview should have kept silent, interesting that she seems only to want mc keevers knuckles rapped, one believes blinkers are involved
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 11, 2014, 03:41:36 PM
And for what it is worth, I am no die-hard Armagh fan. I want to see them do well for my friends who are on the squad. It is the f**king bane of my life from my own perspective at the minute because of the knockon effect it has on me in other capacities but ye just get on with it. I don't like the whole demonisation of Armagh when they were clearly not the physical aggressors here whether they lined up in the perceived wrong place or not and I feel Cavan are getting a huge bye-ball.
To be fair a lot of the perpetrators of this thread are boys who should have no attention paid fo them in the slightest and it has spiralled from there. When you have people asking is such and such related to travellers then you do have to question why anyone would bother to engage...
As a neutral I think it can be seen Cavan were in no way innocent.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 03:40:30 PM
Yeah, he's definitely holding his hand. I was just wondering if he'd been stamped on before, and then hit the lad on the ground, which would obviously hurt if his hand was broken. Then again, why would you punch someone if your hand was sore in the first place. Unless he can't punch on his weaker side. Ignoring the basics up in Cavan.
You'd need to be fond of a punch up to start punching people with a hand that's already broken! You'd think somebody in the press (primarily the Irish News) would stop to think that maybe, just maybe, he hurt his hand whilst trying to punch somebody. They have implied that he was deliberately targeted in Monday's paper, this should be retracted in view of that most recent video clip. It is very noticeable that the media are making a bigger deal out of his hand injury than the Cavan management are.
I saw some mobile phone footage of the melee, it missed most of the action but in Dunne could be seen briefly holding his hand before running out of shot, he is next seen taking his place at the back of the parade walking normally, i.e. arms swinging naturally by his sides. This video was taken from a reverse angle to the clip above so could possibly be the same incident highlighted.
These parades of teams should be scrapped, and certainly for all games other than the Provincial Finals and All-Ireland Final. They are jingoistic, almost militaristic, and to me, it never looks like many of the players like the slow walk after they spending 20 minutes doing all their warm-up drills.
In this particular case, it seems that it was to become a show of strength for both teams. The Cavan lads, in particular, are seen to be congratulating each other when Armagh are made to march on the other side at the end. A lot of good it did them. It's Martin Johnston, the England Rugby team and the red carpet all over again, and I certainly would not want to be put in the same category as that group.
Embarrassing incident.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 11, 2014, 02:17:17 PM
2003 and 2005 must have really hurt ye boys
Yes Gabe, it really did, and I for one have been moping about it since, and I know I'm not the only one.
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Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 11, 2014, 02:17:17 PM
2003 and 2005 must have really hurt ye boys
Yes Gabe, it really did, and I for one have been moping about it since, and I know I'm not the only one.
2005 was particularly hard to take.
Quote from: The Biff on June 11, 2014, 05:09:55 PM
These parades of teams should be scrapped, and certainly for all games other than the Provincial Finals and All-Ireland Final. They are jingoistic, almost militaristic, and to me, it never looks like many of the players like the slow walk after they spending 20 minutes doing all their warm-up drills.
In this particular case, it seems that it was to become a show of strength for both teams. The Cavan lads, in particular, are seen to be congratulating each other when Armagh are made to march on the other side at the end. A lot of good it did them. It's Martin Johnston, the England Rugby team and the red carpet all over again, and I certainly would not want to be put in the same category as that group.
Embarrassing incident.
The parade is one of thee great things gaelic matches. I hope it is never ever removed. And I certainly dont want it replaced with the soccer line-up and handshake.
Having watched the footage I cannot (for all the wind ups on here) see a single bit of evidence to warrant punnishing any Armagh player or Armagh County Board unless there is some way of pinning the actions of one moronic gan on the County Board.
Individual Cavan players might have a case to answer.
The Cavan County Board will have to cough up for using 8 subs during the game
Quote from: LCohen on June 11, 2014, 10:56:50 PM
Having watched the footage I cannot (for all the wind ups on here) see a single bit of evidence to warrant punnishing any Armagh player or Armagh County Board unless there is some way of pinning the actions of one moronic gan on the County Board.
Individual Cavan players might have a case to answer.
The Cavan County Board will have to cough up for using 8 subs during the game
On RTE news today they showed footage fromwhat seemed to be the roof of the terrace and there were a Cavan and Armagh player boxing the heads of each other. It was over before I could see who they were but I expect that they will get banned. Clarke for Cavan will most likely get banned for being the first to engage in the pushing. After that its hard to pin point anyone else really.
Quote from: Orior on June 11, 2014, 09:52:51 PM
Quote from: The Biff on June 11, 2014, 05:09:55 PM
These parades of teams should be scrapped, and certainly for all games other than the Provincial Finals and All-Ireland Final. They are jingoistic, almost militaristic, and to me, it never looks like many of the players like the slow walk after they spending 20 minutes doing all their warm-up drills.
In this particular case, it seems that it was to become a show of strength for both teams. The Cavan lads, in particular, are seen to be congratulating each other when Armagh are made to march on the other side at the end. A lot of good it did them. It's Martin Johnston, the England Rugby team and the red carpet all over again, and I certainly would not want to be put in the same category as that group.
Embarrassing incident.
The parade is one of thee great things gaelic matches. I hope it is never ever removed. And I certainly dont want it replaced with the soccer line-up and handshake.
I genuinely don't get this. What is it about shambling awkwardly around behind a band playing awful "music" that's so compelling?
Pre match parades certainly get the crowd going and flags waving, and provide the perfect build up to the anthem and throw in.A lot would be lost if these were to be abolished.
Probably last Sunday was Martin Dunne thinking he was Bernard Dunne.
I'm with Murphy on this - no need for the pre-match parade. Or at least save it for finals.
Quote from: JP on June 11, 2014, 07:33:55 PM
Quote from: heganboy on June 11, 2014, 07:25:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 11, 2014, 02:17:17 PM
2003 and 2005 must have really hurt ye boys
Yes Gabe, it really did, and I for one have been moping about it since, and I know I'm not the only one.
2005 was particularly hard to take.
gotta agree with this. We snatched defeat from the jaws of victory
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 12, 2014, 07:53:29 AM
I'm with Murphy on this - no need for the pre-match parade. Or at least save it for finals.
Over the last 10 years , theres maybe been over 600 pre match parades, and because two teams dont have the manners to respectfully comply it should be scrapped ?
What a load of horseshit.
As previously mentioned it allows people to see the teams, builds the atmosphere and is particularly good to allow children to see of their heroes up close and personal.
Manners are easily carried and unfortunatley the childish, thuggish behaviour of a few should not tarnish or result in the removal of what has always been a characteristic feature of Gaelic games.
The parades are very enjoyable for players and spectators alike. I'd be keeping them.
There's bound to be some way of getting a sponsor for thon ST Michael's Enniskillen band as well. Turn them out in new uniform. There's bound to be room for cheerleaders too.
I hate the parade. Hate it. Just because it's traditional doesn't hold any water with me. The Bishop throwing in the ball for the AIF was traditional. Singing "We will be tootle teetle day" was also traditional.
Just get on with the feckin game and none of this auld nonsense at the beginning.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 12, 2014, 09:28:30 AM
I hate the parade. Hate it. Just because it's traditional doesn't hold any water with me. The Bishop throwing in the ball for the AIF was traditional. Singing "We will be tootle teetle day" was also traditional.
Just get on with the feckin game and none of this auld nonsense at the beginning.
Fair enough , that's your opinion,but the Bishop example you use wasn't scrapped because of one isolated incident whereby the Bishop and accompanying dignitaries start to knock seven shades of f*** out of each other. Up until this incident there wasn't any word of banning the pre match parade.
Who was the Cavan player who stated the melee by running over and shouldering McKeever out of the parade. basically that was the start of it.
Quote from: Bensars on June 12, 2014, 09:14:30 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 12, 2014, 07:53:29 AM
I'm with Murphy on this - no need for the pre-match parade. Or at least save it for finals.
Over the last 10 years , theres maybe been over 600 pre match parades, and because two teams dont have the manners to respectfully comply it should be scrapped ?
What a load of horseshit.
As previously mentioned it allows people to see the teams, builds the atmosphere and is particularly good to allow children to see of their heroes up close and personal.
Manners are easily carried and unfortunatley the childish, thuggish behaviour of a few should not tarnish or result in the removal of what has always been a characteristic feature of Gaelic games.
I'm not saying it should be scrapped because of last Sunday - just because it has no merit. A bit like the 'renditions' of the national anthem before every game. Make a spectacle of finals by all means. For other games, just get on with the football.
Keeping it for the final automatically excludes the weaker counties.
These players have trained their hole off for 6 months. For the likes of players from the weaker counties the championship day is their final. Instead of playing in front of small numbers in grounds with little or no atmosphere, theres a big crowd, the suns out (usually) and their county support are out in force. This is their big day and the parade before it for the lucky few playing is part of that "big day".
I think they should have the parade on seperate sides of the field, a team on either side. Like teams coming out different exits from the dressing room area. Also teams should play in their own half of the pitch, fans on their own side of the terraces and stands etc that way ther'll be no chance of a dust up.
Get out of it ya pansies. Gaelic games was formed on a good punch up, enough whinging about a bit of pushing and shoving. Some of ye would be better of watching the soccer.
Quote from: Bensars on June 12, 2014, 09:50:06 AM
Keeping it for the final automatically excludes the weaker counties.
These players have trained their hole off for 6 months. For the likes of players from the weaker counties the championship day is their final. Instead of playing in front of small numbers in grounds with little or no atmosphere, theres a big crowd, the suns out (usually) and their county support are out in force. This is their big day and the parade before it for the lucky few playing is part of that "big day".
Maybe we should give all counties a cup as well. And a medal for every player. Maybe the President should meet the teams for all games. After all, this is their " big day".
From a neutral perspective I think it was premeditated by Armagh or McKeever to instigate this. Cavan's reaction can't be condoned but I believe this was thought out in advance.
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 12, 2014, 10:00:04 AM
Quote from: Bensars on June 12, 2014, 09:50:06 AM
Keeping it for the final automatically excludes the weaker counties.
These players have trained their hole off for 6 months. For the likes of players from the weaker counties the championship day is their final. Instead of playing in front of small numbers in grounds with little or no atmosphere, theres a big crowd, the suns out (usually) and their county support are out in force. This is their big day and the parade before it for the lucky few playing is part of that "big day".
Maybe we should give all counties a cup as well. And a medal for every player. Maybe the President should meet the teams for all games. After all, this is their " big day".
Your response says a lot.
My view is that although not every team will win, or every player will win a medal, these players who have trained for months on end and deserve a little recognition. Some teams have no chance of ever reaching finals stage.
Not that long ago Monaghan where in that position, since yous have won a bit of silverware last year yous have gone elitist !
Quote from: DennistheMenace on June 12, 2014, 10:10:15 AM
From a neutral perspective I think it was premeditated by Armagh or McKeever to instigate this. Cavan's reaction can't be condoned but I believe this was thought out in advance.
You had from last Sunday to think of a better wind up than that... ;)
Quote from: Bensars on June 12, 2014, 09:34:10 AM
Fair enough , that's your opinion,but the Bishop example you use wasn't scrapped because of one isolated incident whereby the Bishop and accompanying dignitaries start to knock seven shades of f*** out of each other. Up until this incident there wasn't any word of banning the pre match parade.
A lot of people coming out looking to get rid of the parade are not basing it solely on what happened last Sunday. Did you read Michael Murphy's quote? He said that there is too much messing about before a championship game. I think you're missing the point and taking the opportunity, like a lot of others, to get a dig in.
Quote from: Bensars on June 12, 2014, 10:24:11 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 12, 2014, 10:00:04 AM
Quote from: Bensars on June 12, 2014, 09:50:06 AM
Keeping it for the final automatically excludes the weaker counties.
These players have trained their hole off for 6 months. For the likes of players from the weaker counties the championship day is their final. Instead of playing in front of small numbers in grounds with little or no atmosphere, theres a big crowd, the suns out (usually) and their county support are out in force. This is their big day and the parade before it for the lucky few playing is part of that "big day".
Maybe we should give all counties a cup as well. And a medal for every player. Maybe the President should meet the teams for all games. After all, this is their " big day".
Your response says a lot.
My view is that although not every team will win, or every player will win a medal, these players who have trained for months on end and deserve a little recognition. Some teams have no chance of ever reaching finals stage.
Not that long ago Monaghan where in that position, since yous have won a bit of silverware last year yous have gone elitist !
I'd have told you the exact same thing last year.
It would be interesting to hear the opinion of more players. I doubt too many of them train for 6 months for the joy of following a band around a field.
Most players look bored out of their minds during these parades and I suspect hate the bloody things.
Anyway there's never a parade before a NFL game or a Qualifier so that means it's limited to the 29 Senior Prov championship games, 4 Qtr Finals, 2 Semis and the Final.
The recent U21 final had no band, no parade but it was still the Final. I heard NO ONE complaining about the lack of those 2 "traditional items".
Well heres one, Peter Canavan
QuoteThere were ugly scenes prior to throw-in at the Athletic Grounds for Armagh's Ulster Championship meeting with Cavan and it has led to people calling for the pre-match parade to be scrapped. I don't agree with that. The parade adds to the game and the spectators like to see the players walking around the pitch. It was something that I enjoyed taking part in.
http://www1.skysports.com/gaelic-football/news/12040/9343517/gaa-sky-sports-expert-peter-cavanan-reviews-the-weekends-championship-action (http://www1.skysports.com/gaelic-football/news/12040/9343517/gaa-sky-sports-expert-peter-cavanan-reviews-the-weekends-championship-action)
The best craic I ever saw was after the parade in a Longford County final about 20 years ago.
The parade was had, the National Ditty was played (the Longford Pipe Band is surely the worst in Ireland) and then we settled down. Finally.
Anyhoo the band was very slow to march off the pitch so when the ball was thrown in they were still traipsing off. As it happens the ball was caught and rooted over the where the band were still making their way. To see their reaction was something like a Benny Hill sketch. They went to the four winds with kilts flapping and hairpieces askew.
Brilliant.
Quote from: Bensars on June 12, 2014, 10:45:00 AM
Well heres one, Peter Canavan
QuoteThere were ugly scenes prior to throw-in at the Athletic Grounds for Armagh's Ulster Championship meeting with Cavan and it has led to people calling for the pre-match parade to be scrapped. I don't agree with that. The parade adds to the game and the spectators like to see the players walking around the pitch. It was something that I enjoyed taking part in.
http://www1.skysports.com/gaelic-football/news/12040/9343517/gaa-sky-sports-expert-peter-cavanan-reviews-the-weekends-championship-action (http://www1.skysports.com/gaelic-football/news/12040/9343517/gaa-sky-sports-expert-peter-cavanan-reviews-the-weekends-championship-action)
Well done. That's one for and one against.
Although Peter should have said that SOME of the spectators like to see the players walking around the pitch. Some just want to see them play football.
Quote from: Bensars on June 12, 2014, 09:50:06 AM
Keeping it for the final automatically excludes the weaker counties.
These players have trained their hole off for 6 months. For the likes of players from the weaker counties the championship day is their final. Instead of playing in front of small numbers in grounds with little or no atmosphere, theres a big crowd, the suns out (usually) and their county support are out in force. This is their big day and the parade before it for the lucky few playing is part of that "big day".
You posted earlier about "manners being easily carried".
Anyone using language like above wouldn't know much about manners imo.
QuoteThe best craic I ever saw was after the parade in a Longford County final about 20 years ago.
Indeed I remember that well....Jas Brady from Granard was the ref...very funny indeed. Think it was a bit more than 20 yrs ago tho. I played in the co. Final 20 tears ago and I think this could have been a few years earlier even.....lord time is flying!!!!
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 12, 2014, 11:05:14 AM
Quote from: Bensars on June 12, 2014, 10:45:00 AM
Well heres one, Peter Canavan
QuoteThere were ugly scenes prior to throw-in at the Athletic Grounds for Armagh's Ulster Championship meeting with Cavan and it has led to people calling for the pre-match parade to be scrapped. I don't agree with that. The parade adds to the game and the spectators like to see the players walking around the pitch. It was something that I enjoyed taking part in.
http://www1.skysports.com/gaelic-football/news/12040/9343517/gaa-sky-sports-expert-peter-cavanan-reviews-the-weekends-championship-action (http://www1.skysports.com/gaelic-football/news/12040/9343517/gaa-sky-sports-expert-peter-cavanan-reviews-the-weekends-championship-action)
Well done. That's one for and one against.
Although Peter should have said that SOME of the spectators like to see the players walking around the pitch. Some just want to see them play football.
I see Brian McGuigan is on the same page as Murphy in Gaelic Life - no need for parades - outdated and ungoing the benefits of the warmup.
Toner, donaghy , Mallon banned for 1 game
5k fine for Armagh
Needless to say they are appealing
Quote from: naka on June 12, 2014, 04:08:31 PM
Toner, donaghy , Mallon banned for 1 game
5k fine for Armagh
Needless to say they are appealing
Joke what about McKeever - sure he started it!!!
I would love to know how the CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC picked these three individuals out - they needed scapegoats because of the media coverage - amazing how some can drop their knees on a mans throat and get off but people defending themselves get banned, the GAA disciplinary committee are as big a joke as that tool who referred the Armagh match.
A joke, apparently only two Cavan players suspended, one of them being Martin Dunne. If Niall McDermott escapes a lengthy ban there is something seriously awry.
Dunne suspended
Interesting that the guy who started it from cavan not suspended
Having seen the video I think donaghy and toner should get off
Fergal Flanagan the other Cavan player suspended. Joke.
disgrace!! theres an argument for Andy getting off with it as well.
If you watch the footage again, their big brave keeper targeted Andy (smallest man on the pitch) and rugby tackled him to the ground. If you can't defend yourself there is something wrong. Dunne and McDermott as bad as each other, kicking and punching a defenceless person on the ground. Cowards!!
Cavan wont mind them suspensions :D
What did the band get?
Quote from: naka on June 12, 2014, 04:08:31 PM
Toner, donaghy , Mallon banned for 1 game
5k fine for Armagh
Needless to say they are appealing
Mallon can be seen fighting on the video footage and I thought he may get suspended but what evidence do they have on Toner or Donaghy?
TBH I couldn't care less what suspensions Cavan get.
Armagh will be confident that 2 out of 3 will get off.
Dunne is out regardless so only one ban for Cavan really. Great stuff.
What will the tr**p of a supporter that tried to hit Feargal Flanagan get I wonder?
Quote from: tommysmith on June 12, 2014, 05:28:19 PM
Quote from: Bingo on June 12, 2014, 04:49:17 PM
What did the band get?
Antrim and Donegal game.
Harsh! That's worse than any suspension.
Good to see the authorities stamping down on thuggery. How McKeever got off is a mystery.
At the same time it is a pity as I would rather see Tyrone face a full Armagh team. Ah well.
The Irish news and to a lessor extent the Belfast tele should be backpaddling now after the insinuations they've been making all week especially over Dunne being targeted. He was well caught out on that video clip. Armagh should get Fergal Logan onside.
Quote from: Armamike on June 12, 2014, 05:54:38 PM
The Irish news and to a lessor extent the Belfast tele should be backpaddling now after the insinuations they've been making all week especially over Dunne being targeted. He was well caught out on that video clip. Armagh should get Fergal Logan onside.
Would you go away and behave yourself FFS.
Plenty of over the top reaction on the row itself and this is the other end of the scale altogether ::)
I wasn't serious about Fergal Logan.
I read the debates today about parades before matches and was unsure which side I supported. I love the buzz it gives on championship day. But, in many ways it is like the solders marching in Red Square on May Day. Here on display are our men going to fight for their county. With this in mind are we really surprised when a bit of a brawl develops. Why should this be followed by mock distain and hypocritical comment. Despite what many may say there have been similar incidents down through time for most counties. Instead of following their mock horror and PC responses with suspensions they should be setting rules in place for these parades - or stop them.
Today the GAA did what Armagh people thought they would do. They came down heaviest on the 6 county team. Does that make me a bitter northerner. Probably. But we have lived our lives coping with bitterness. Gaelic was our escape. Today they have let us down.
I appreciate that penalties were always due. For the life of me I cannot see what Donaghy and Toner have done that was so bad in comparison to others. I also wonder how the Cavan player who kicked an Armagh player on the ground did not not suspended or the other that kicked Jamie as he left the parade. Most shocking for me though is how both counties got a similar fine when Cavan were involved in a similar incident less than a year ago. Where is the deterrent? Or is this proof of the mock horror?
There is also a fair chance that many of the players will win their appeals. I am sure those proposing the suspensions know this. Are the suspensions just headline makers? Those with agendas made Armagh the villains. They got the harsher punishment. The GAA reacting to media bluster has always annoyed me.
I hope the Armagh supporter caught throwing a punch has offered his apologies and received an appropriate ban
I am ranting off course and await the abuse.
The team that started the physical stuff should have had a punishment that reflects this.
Quote from: Throw ball on June 12, 2014, 06:32:04 PM
I read the debates today about parades before matches and was unsure which side I supported. I love the buzz it gives on championship day. But, in many ways it is like the solders marching in Red Square on May Day. Here on display are our men going to fight for their county. With this in mind are we really surprised when a bit of a brawl develops. Why should this be followed by mock distain and hypocritical comment. Despite what many may say there have been similar incidents down through time for most counties. Instead of following their mock horror and PC responses with suspensions they should be setting rules in place for these parades - or stop them.
Today the GAA did what Armagh people thought they would do. They came down heaviest on the 6 county team. Does that make me a bitter northerner. Probably. But we have lived our lives coping with bitterness. Gaelic was our escape. Today they have let us down.
I appreciate that penalties were always due. For the life of me I cannot see what Donaghy and Toner have done that was so bad in comparison to others. I also wonder how the Cavan player who kicked an Armagh player on the ground did not not suspended or the other that kicked Jamie as he left the parade. Most shocking for me though is how both counties got a similar fine when Cavan were involved in a similar incident less than a year ago. Where is the deterrent? Or is this proof of the mock horror?
There is also a fair chance that many of the players will win their appeals. I am sure those proposing the suspensions know this. Are the suspensions just headline makers? Those with agendas made Armagh the villains. They got the harsher punishment. The GAA reacting to media bluster has always annoyed me.
I hope the Armagh supporter caught throwing a punch has offered his apologies and received an appropriate ban
I am ranting off course and await the abuse.
+1
Good point about Cavan and Armagh receiving the same fine despite Cavan being involved in a fracus last year. I can't remember exactly what caused the row last year but surely with any other penalty, it escalates with each repeat offense, why does that not apply here?
Toner and Donaghy to get off on appeal and we can move on. Otherwise the injustice of this will linger on.
It's annoying that Cavan started the row, yet they have a player suspended that injured himself punching someone, so he wouldn't be playing anyway. Effectively they have one player suspended in a backdoor game against Westmeath.
While Armagh have 3 senior players all suspended for our biggest game in 3 years.
Quote from: Westside on June 12, 2014, 05:45:05 PM
Dunne is out regardless so only one ban for Cavan really. Great stuff.
What will the tr**p of a supporter that tried to hit Feargal Flanagan get I wonder?
Hopefully banned for life, but Dunne who everyone has been crying about all week is as big of a tr**p hitting someone on the groung and running away, wee p***k deserves all he got. So the person who started it gets nothing CCCCCC absolute assholes. Is Andy Mallon being banned for defending himself?
Quote from: Armamike on June 12, 2014, 05:54:38 PM
The Irish news and to a lessor extent the Belfast tele should be backpaddling now after the insinuations they've been making all week especially over Dunne being targeted. He was well caught out on that video clip. Armagh should get Fergal Logan onside.
Nail on head, Paddy Heaney isn't fit to be a journalist, some of the shite he has been spouting unchallenged has been ridiculous.
As a matter of interest did any one hear what bans were handed out for the row after the penalty in the Cork v Waterford hurling match. I am sure the fella who struck with the hurl got a long ban?
Quote from: armaghniac on June 12, 2014, 06:36:15 PM
The team that started the physical stuff should have had a punishment that reflects this.
Classic. Mckeever doesn't act the wag, there is no physical stuff.
It was on this evenings news again...sweet jesus, move on media
Quote from: J OGorman on June 12, 2014, 07:05:19 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 12, 2014, 06:36:15 PM
The team that started the physical stuff should have had a punishment that reflects this.
Classic. Mckeever doesn't act the wag, there is no physical stuff.
It was on this evenings news again...sweet jesus, move on media
Do you honestly believe that if Armagh had have lined up on the pitch side Cavan would not have tried to run through them to make a point?
Quote from: Throw ball on June 12, 2014, 07:07:03 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on June 12, 2014, 07:05:19 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 12, 2014, 06:36:15 PM
The team that started the physical stuff should have had a punishment that reflects this.
Classic. Mckeever doesn't act the wag, there is no physical stuff.
It was on this evenings news again...sweet jesus, move on media
Do you honestly believe that if Armagh had have lined up on the pitch side Cavan would not have tried to run through them to make a point?
Have never seen or heard of it happening before. Mckeever does a Martin Johnson and low and behold, WW3 erupts
Quote from: J OGorman on June 12, 2014, 07:10:54 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 12, 2014, 07:07:03 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on June 12, 2014, 07:05:19 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 12, 2014, 06:36:15 PM
The team that started the physical stuff should have had a punishment that reflects this.
Classic. Mckeever doesn't act the wag, there is no physical stuff.
It was on this evenings news again...sweet jesus, move on media
Do you honestly believe that if Armagh had have lined up on the pitch side Cavan would not have tried to run through them to make a point?
Have never seen or heard of it happening before. Mckeever does a Martin Johnson and low and behold, WW3 erupts
Ask the Cavan men. Armagh did it on them a few years ago.
Quote from: Westside on June 12, 2014, 07:39:01 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on June 12, 2014, 06:42:22 PM
Quote from: Westside on June 12, 2014, 05:45:05 PM
Dunne is out regardless so only one ban for Cavan really. Great stuff.
What will the tr**p of a supporter that tried to hit Feargal Flanagan get I wonder?
Hopefully banned for life, but Dunne who everyone has been crying about all week is as big of a tr**p hitting someone on the groung and running away, wee p***k deserves all he got. So the person who started it gets nothing CCCCCC absolute assholes. Is Andy Mallon being banned for defending himself?
Boys from Cross have done a lot worse to an innocent Cavan man and ran like cowardly scum to America.
Are you seriously trying to defend Dunne's cowardly actions, all week the media has been alluding to the fact he was singled out by Armagh, turn's out the yellow wee shite can't hit properly!
Quote from: Westside on June 12, 2014, 07:39:01 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on June 12, 2014, 06:42:22 PM
Quote from: Westside on June 12, 2014, 05:45:05 PM
Dunne is out regardless so only one ban for Cavan really. Great stuff.
What will the tr**p of a supporter that tried to hit Feargal Flanagan get I wonder?
Hopefully banned for life, but Dunne who everyone has been crying about all week is as big of a tr**p hitting someone on the groung and running away, wee p***k deserves all he got. So the person who started it gets nothing CCCCCC absolute assholes. Is Andy Mallon being banned for defending himself?
Boys from Cross have done a lot worse to an innocent Cavan man and ran like cowardly scum to America.
Why delete your post westside!
Thought better of it but seeing as you've quoted it, it stands. I think the hypocrisy from the Armagh lads on this thread is astounding. Not a post from one of them before the game when they didn't think they'd win, and now the same fans from the bunch that were threatening to punch an old man in the stands in Breffni last year are out in force calling Cavan players tramps.
Quote from: Zip Code on June 12, 2014, 07:42:40 PM
Quote from: Westside on June 12, 2014, 07:39:01 PM
Quote from: Zip Code on June 12, 2014, 06:42:22 PM
Quote from: Westside on June 12, 2014, 05:45:05 PM
Dunne is out regardless so only one ban for Cavan really. Great stuff.
What will the tr**p of a supporter that tried to hit Feargal Flanagan get I wonder?
Hopefully banned for life, but Dunne who everyone has been crying about all week is as big of a tr**p hitting someone on the groung and running away, wee p***k deserves all he got. So the person who started it gets nothing CCCCCC absolute assholes. Is Andy Mallon being banned for defending himself?
Boys from Cross have done a lot worse to an innocent Cavan man and ran like cowardly scum to America.
Are you seriously trying to defend Dunne's cowardly actions, all week the media has been alluding to the fact he was singled out by Armagh, turn's out the yellow wee shite can't hit properly!
So you think they got it right with the suspensions then?
Quote from: Westside on June 12, 2014, 07:49:38 PM
Thought better of it but seeing as you've quoted it, it stands. I think the hypocrisy from the Armagh lads on this thread is astounding. Not a post from one of them before the game when they didn't think they'd win, and now the same fans from the bunch that were threatening to punch an old man in the stands in Breffni last year are out in force calling Cavan players tramps.
I think you will find a few of use were posting before the match.
Quote from: Westside on June 12, 2014, 07:49:38 PM
Thought better of it but seeing as you've quoted it, it stands. I think the hypocrisy from the Armagh lads on this thread is astounding. Not a post from one of them before the game when they didn't think they'd win, and now the same fans from the bunch that were threatening to punch an old man in the stands in Breffni last year are out in force calling Cavan players tramps.
The term tr**p was not used by any Armagh posters, although it was used about an Armagh player, a use that was more informative about the poster than the player.
Let me be clear here, are you implying that some poster here was in a bunch threatening to punch someone?
Quote from: Westside on June 12, 2014, 07:49:38 PM
Thought better of it but seeing as you've quoted it, it stands. I think the hypocrisy from the Armagh lads on this thread is astounding. Not a post from one of them before the game when they didn't think they'd win, and now the same fans from the bunch that were threatening to punch an old man in the stands in Breffni last year are out in force calling Cavan players tramps.
Maybe you should google the definition of hypocrisy, are you saying a man running in and punching a man on the ground, then running off like a coward isn't trampish, and this your star player who Armagh singled out to attack!!!! The tr**p obviously not only is a coward but can't punch and the media especially the Irish News should issue an apology for their role in the poor Dunne injured by the big bad Armagh players story they ran all week!
Quote from: Throw ball on June 12, 2014, 06:49:49 PM
As a matter of interest did any one hear what bans were handed out for the row after the penalty in the Cork v Waterford hurling match. I am sure the fella who struck with the hurl got a long ban?
Can anyone enlighten me?
I doubt if 3 suspensions will seriously affect Armagh as they have plenty of other exponents of pure muck football on the panel.
Fear not! Remember they tried to ban Francie nearly ten years ago but were defeated on appeal.Let our revenge be the laughter of our children,provided they're not members of St Michaels Band
The Cavan flag bearer from Ballyconnell should get a life ban from going anywhere near the Slieve Russell and the cement factory and should be made to practise alone on the mountain in the winter with the windmills going full tilt.
Quote from: under the bar on June 13, 2014, 12:07:33 AM
I doubt if 3 suspensions will seriously affect Armagh as they have plenty of other exponents of pure muck football on the panel.
Tis a pity we don't get to play that shower of gits you support, a fair few of them hoors need slappin!!!
Monaghan got this! :P
Good to see a fellow cruppen man step up
Boylesports will pay the Armagh fine
Pity he wouldn't give cruppen a few more quid ::)
Fair play to Boyle. Now to get some of these suspensions overturned.........
Cavan should get a years ban from the championship and U21 football.How many more violent incidents will it take before the GAA stamp down on Cavan in a meaningful and fair way?
Last year,Open warfare against Fermanagh with players and mentors alike throwing punches like hooligans on the rampage.
This year,U21 All Ireland semi final this year.A referee in genuine fear for his life being chased and abused off the field by supporters and players.
This year,Who else but Cavan yet again!They clearly instigate and provoke a despicable melee despite the presence of an innocent and clearly frightened Marching band who had to flee in terror.
These are three incidents in the last year where a Cavan GAA team have been responsible for tears streaming down childrens faces at GAA games.That is a cold reality and is clearly unacceptable.
Quote from: rossiewanderer on June 13, 2014, 08:50:04 PM
Cavan should get a years ban from the championship and U21 football.How many more violent incidents will it take before the GAA stamp down on Cavan in a meaningful and fair way?
Last year,Open warfare against Fermanagh with players and mentors alike throwing punches like hooligans on the rampage.
This year,U21 All Ireland semi final this year.A referee in genuine fear for his life being chased and abused off the field by supporters and players.
This year,Who else but Cavan yet again!They clearly instigate and provoke a despicable melee despite the presence of an innocent and clearly frightened Marching band who had to flee in terror.
These are three incidents in the last year where a Cavan GAA team have been responsible for tears streaming down childrens faces at GAA games.That is a cold reality and is clearly unacceptable.
f**k off ya Ros w**ker or I'll kick your bollix in
Quote from: Itchy on June 13, 2014, 09:32:38 PM
Quote from: rossiewanderer on June 13, 2014, 08:50:04 PM
Cavan should get a years ban from the championship and U21 football.How many more violent incidents will it take before the GAA stamp down on Cavan in a meaningful and fair way?
Last year,Open warfare against Fermanagh with players and mentors alike throwing punches like hooligans on the rampage.
This year,U21 All Ireland semi final this year.A referee in genuine fear for his life being chased and abused off the field by supporters and players.
This year,Who else but Cavan yet again!They clearly instigate and provoke a despicable melee despite the presence of an innocent and clearly frightened Marching band who had to flee in terror.
These are three incidents in the last year where a Cavan GAA team have been responsible for tears streaming down childrens faces at GAA games.That is a cold reality and is clearly unacceptable.
f**k off ya Ros w**ker or I'll kick your bollix in
Looks like you are itching for a fight. ;D
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=218170
Just read that now.
Some boy, McKeever.
Quote from: ONeill on June 13, 2014, 10:14:46 PM
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=218170
Just read that now.
Some boy, McKeever.
It is one persons word against another. My information is that there are a number of inaccuracies in the story.
If she was asked to move politely or not she was not the person everyone paid in to watch. Her stubborn attitude was a major contributory factor to 5 players missing matches.
And before you ask. As there are no rules in place governing parades McKeever did nothing wrong standing were he did. The fact that he asked the flag bearer to move proves he was not trying to antagonise Cavan.
Surely the band discussed who was to stand where before the game the girl hardly decided to stand closer to the crowd to annoy Armagh. Why would the teams not just follow behind their own flags no big deal is it
Because parades are simply ridiculous.
If only all teams were as reasonable and responsible as Armagh and their super kind leader McKeever.
Of course Throw Ball. The neural flag bearer made the whole thing up. ::)
Why would you join a band to carry a flag?
Something's fishy.
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 14, 2014, 04:24:39 PM
Of course Throw Ball. The neural flag bearer made the whole thing up. ::)
The neutral flag bearer from Ballyconnell being quoted in the Anglo Celt- doesn't sound like a particularly objective piece of journalism to me.
Has McKeever made a statement denying her allegations then?
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 14, 2014, 04:24:39 PM
Of course Throw Ball. The neural flag bearer made the whole thing up. ::)
She is from Ballyconnell, Co. Cavan. Hardly neutral.
Quote from: under the bar on June 14, 2014, 06:11:29 PM
Has McKeever made a statement denying her allegations then?
I know the players were told not to make any comment after the match. Only Aaron Kernan was given permission to speak.
Maybe some of the Armagh lads can confirm, but I hear McKeever is known as Gandhi in Armagh due to his peaceful ways.
Quote from: Itchy
Maybe some of the Armagh lads can confirm, but I hear McKeever is known as Gandhi in Armagh due to his peaceful ways.
Yes, he is a peacemaker.
I blame all of this glorification of violence on television
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QuoteHas McKeever made a statement denying her allegations then?
I know the players were told not to make any comment after the match. Only Aaron Kernan was given permission to speak.
You'd expect if an untruthful allegation is made against the Armagh Captain in a newspaper the County Board (and presumably McKeever himself) would want to put the record straight.
Quote from: under the bar on June 14, 2014, 07:45:11 PM
QuoteHas McKeever made a statement denying her allegations then?
I know the players were told not to make any comment after the match. Only Aaron Kernan was given permission to speak.
You'd expect if an untruthful allegation is made against the Armagh Captain in a newspaper the County Board (and presumably McKeever himself) would want to put the record straight.
There is nothing to be gained at this time by making a statement. It is basically one persons word against another. In the end the flag bearer was asked to move. She refused.
Its untruthful that he is the captain anyway.
Cavan take their punishment, no crying and no appeals.
Quote from: Itchy on June 14, 2014, 07:53:19 PM
Its untruthful that he is the captain anyway.
Cavan take their punishment, no crying and no appeals.
It is always easier when you are guilty.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 14, 2014, 08:02:07 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 14, 2014, 07:53:19 PM
Its untruthful that he is the captain anyway.
Cavan take their punishment, no crying and no appeals.
It is always easier when you are guilty.
And one of your players suspended is unavailable anyway!
Have I stepped into a parallel universe here? There was a bit of a row before a match, big swingin mickey! Its not the first time its happened and im sure it wont be the last. The world hasnt ended
QuoteHas McKeever made a statement denying her allegations then?
I know the players were told not to make any comment after the match. Only Aaron Kernan was given permission to speak.
You'd expect if an untruthful allegation is made against the Armagh Captain in a newspaper the County Board (and presumably McKeever himself) would want to put the record straight.
There is nothing to be gained at this time by making a statement. It is basically one persons word against another. In the end the flag bearer was asked to move. She refused.
She's claiming she was verbally abused. McKeever and Armagh stay quiet on the matter. Easy to draw conclusions.
Quote from: under the bar on June 14, 2014, 09:11:49 PM
QuoteHas McKeever made a statement denying her allegations then?
I know the players were told not to make any comment after the match. Only Aaron Kernan was given permission to speak.
You'd expect if an untruthful allegation is made against the Armagh Captain in a newspaper the County Board (and presumably McKeever himself) would want to put the record straight.
There is nothing to be gained at this time by making a statement. It is basically one persons word against another. In the end the flag bearer was asked to move. She refused.
She's claiming she was verbally abused. McKeever and Armagh stay quiet on the matter. Easy to draw conclusions.
People will draw whatever conclusions they like if a statement is made or not. That has already been proved on this thread already.
Quote from: under the bar on June 14, 2014, 09:11:49 PM
QuoteHas McKeever made a statement denying her allegations then?
I know the players were told not to make any comment after the match. Only Aaron Kernan was given permission to speak.
You'd expect if an untruthful allegation is made against the Armagh Captain in a newspaper the County Board (and presumably McKeever himself) would want to put the record straight.
There is nothing to be gained at this time by making a statement. It is basically one persons word against another. In the end the flag bearer was asked to move. She refused.
She's claiming she was verbally abused. McKeever and Armagh stay quiet on the matter. Easy to draw conclusions.
Easy for you to draw a conclusion. You would probably claim they were trying to intimidate the flag carrier if they did release a statement. If Anglo Celt had waited until after CCCC had issued punishments it might not have looked like an attempt to influence the process.
Who gives a fcuk move on and quit acting like school children.
Quote from: Bingo on June 09, 2014, 01:47:35 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 09, 2014, 01:24:45 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2014, 10:04:54 AM
If the home team are designated to walk on the outside of the pitch closest to the stands then why after the melee had broken up did the Ulster Council officials order that the Cavan flag holder remain on the outside? Did the Ulster council make a mistake and then fail to rectify it or was it a case that the band made the mistake by having the flag holders on the wrong sides. Its interesting to hear so many people slating McKeever when they weren't even at the match, McKeever done nothing wrong and he even advised the Cavan flag holder that she was on the wrong side. The Armagh flag holder then asked her to swap but she refused to move over to where she should have been. I don't think any bans will result after the Sunday Game played it down for a change last night.
It has overshadowed what was a very good Armagh performance bar the woeful finishing. Armagh if they had taken their chances should have won this game by 10-15 points but it leaves plenty to work on for the next game.
I'm loving this phantom rule that the home team must be on the stand side for the parade!
Shame on the Ulster Council and the band for not consulting the phantom rule book ;D
Its written in the great GAA rule book labelled "Tradition". Much more enforceable than any rule book.
An imaginery tradition, that doesnt actually exist! There's been countless games with the away team on the outside.
Tyrone v Monaghan another example.
There have also been examples of teams lining up behind the "other" flag and proceeding on that basis. Armagh were happy to do this, Cavan were not.
Quote from: Hound on June 15, 2014, 02:01:07 PM
Quote from: Bingo on June 09, 2014, 01:47:35 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 09, 2014, 01:24:45 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2014, 10:04:54 AM
If the home team are designated to walk on the outside of the pitch closest to the stands then why after the melee had broken up did the Ulster Council officials order that the Cavan flag holder remain on the outside? Did the Ulster council make a mistake and then fail to rectify it or was it a case that the band made the mistake by having the flag holders on the wrong sides. Its interesting to hear so many people slating McKeever when they weren't even at the match, McKeever done nothing wrong and he even advised the Cavan flag holder that she was on the wrong side. The Armagh flag holder then asked her to swap but she refused to move over to where she should have been. I don't think any bans will result after the Sunday Game played it down for a change last night.
It has overshadowed what was a very good Armagh performance bar the woeful finishing. Armagh if they had taken their chances should have won this game by 10-15 points but it leaves plenty to work on for the next game.
I'm loving this phantom rule that the home team must be on the stand side for the parade!
Shame on the Ulster Council and the band for not consulting the phantom rule book ;D
Its written in the great GAA rule book labelled "Tradition". Much more enforceable than any rule book.
An imaginery tradition, that doesnt actually exist! There's been countless games with the away team on the outside.
Tyrone v Monaghan another example.
To be fair if I was the band leader I would have set the flags up that way today. Some have been giving the flag bearers stick for were they stood and there was zero chance of anything happening this week. Fair play to him.
Quote from: EC Unique on June 09, 2014, 03:21:46 PM
Wonder when the disciplinary meeting will be? I would rather Tyrone face a full Armagh side so there will be no excuses when we hammer them!
Lol.
When I read this I had a feeling it would come back to bite you in the ass ;D
He also posted this on another thread:
Re: Monaghan v Tyrone - Sunday 15th June - St Tiernach's Park Clones
« Reply #268 on: June 12, 2014, 11:00:30 PM »
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Strong Tyrone team. Will be surprised if they don't win handy enough
Quote from: Hotshot Hamish on June 15, 2014, 08:15:40 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on June 09, 2014, 03:21:46 PM
Wonder when the disciplinary meeting will be? I would rather Tyrone face a full Armagh side so there will be no excuses when we hammer them!
Lol.
When I read this I had a feeling it would come back to bite you in the ass ;D
;D The gift that keeps on giving. I just love these predictions.
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on June 15, 2014, 08:24:30 PM
He also posted this on another thread.
Strong Tyrone team. Will be surprised if they don't win handy enough
Quote from: Armamike on June 15, 2014, 11:31:05 PM
Quote from: Hotshot Hamish on June 15, 2014, 08:15:40 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on June 09, 2014, 03:21:46 PM
Wonder when the disciplinary meeting will be? I would rather Tyrone face a full Armagh side so there will be no excuses when we hammer them!
Lol.
When I read this I had a feeling it would come back to bite you in the ass ;D
;D The gift that keeps on giving. I just love these predictions.
;D
Now that Tyrone have followed United into the 'We're back to being shite' category, life can't be much fun in Chez Unique
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on June 17, 2014, 06:12:04 PM
Now that Tyrone have followed United into the 'We're back to being shite' category, life can't be much fun in Chez Unique
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I just saw a post there from throw ball along the lines of 'What did the GAA do? Come down against the team from the 6 counties'.
Is this really what you think? That teams from the 6 counties are somehow being oppressed by the GAA? Not supported? Away outta that. Nothing could be further from the truth. The GAA hates ALL Ulster teams equally.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 18, 2014, 04:13:50 PM
I just saw a post there from throw ball along the lines of 'What did the GAA do? Come down against the team from the 6 counties'.
Is this really what you think? That teams from the 6 counties are somehow being oppressed by the GAA? Not supported? Away outta that. Nothing could be further from the truth. The GAA hates ALL Ulster teams equally.
To be truthful AZ I do not know. What I do know is that a hell of a lot of people in the '6 counties' do believe it. As much as many outside of Dublin believe that the GAA favours the Dubs.
As for your final comment we all know that to be true! A number of years ago a top inter county referee told me that Ulster counties would have to realise that they would have to work harder for frees in Croke Park. ;)
Is there any difference between the shennanigans that went on between the opposing players in the first half of the Galway/ Kilkenny hurling game today than what happened prior to the Armagh/Cavan match.
Will there be any suspensions. ???
Quote from: Throw ball on June 18, 2014, 07:37:15 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 18, 2014, 04:13:50 PM
I just saw a post there from throw ball along the lines of 'What did the GAA do? Come down against the team from the 6 counties'.
Is this really what you think? That teams from the 6 counties are somehow being oppressed by the GAA? Not supported? Away outta that. Nothing could be further from the truth. The GAA hates ALL Ulster teams equally.
To be truthful AZ I do not know. What I do know is that a hell of a lot of people in the '6 counties' do believe it. As much as many outside of Dublin believe that the GAA favours the Dubs.
As for your final comment we all know that to be true! A number of years ago a top inter county referee told me that Ulster counties would have to realise that they would have to work harder for frees in Croke Park. ;)
And when any of the 6 county teams are playing one of the 3 non six county teams and there is a six county referee he will give everything to his nordie friends.
Quote from: tommysmith on June 22, 2014, 09:32:00 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 18, 2014, 07:37:15 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 18, 2014, 04:13:50 PM
I just saw a post there from throw ball along the lines of 'What did the GAA do? Come down against the team from the 6 counties'.
Is this really what you think? That teams from the 6 counties are somehow being oppressed by the GAA? Not supported? Away outta that. Nothing could be further from the truth. The GAA hates ALL Ulster teams equally.
To be truthful AZ I do not know. What I do know is that a hell of a lot of people in the '6 counties' do believe it. As much as many outside of Dublin believe that the GAA favours the Dubs.
As for your final comment we all know that to be true! A number of years ago a top inter county referee told me that Ulster counties would have to realise that they would have to work harder for frees in Croke Park. ;)
And when any of the 6 county teams are playing one of the 3 non six county teams and there is a six county referee he will give everything to his nordie friends.
List all your examples here and we will have a look at them.
Quote from: Zip Code on June 23, 2014, 08:29:04 AM
Quote from: tommysmith on June 22, 2014, 09:32:00 PM
And when any of the 6 county teams are playing one of the 3 non six county teams and there is a six county referee he will give everything to his nordie friends.
List all your examples here and we will have a look at them.
Well said! I await the examples with interest.
Do yo want example of games or what?
All examples welcomed.
Majority of Cavan minor games against nordie teams in last 15 year's where there has been a nordie referee.
It's well known that they favour their friends.
Quote from: tommysmith on June 23, 2014, 11:51:59 AM
Majority of Cavan minor games against nordie teams in last 15 year's where there has been a nordie referee.
It's well known that they favour their friends.
Well that's that cleared up. ::)
Quote from: Zip Code on June 23, 2014, 11:53:54 AM
Quote from: tommysmith on June 23, 2014, 11:51:59 AM
Majority of Cavan minor games against nordie teams in last 15 year's where there has been a nordie referee.
It's well known that they favour their friends.
Well that's that cleared up. ::)
You are welcome :)
Isn't that why top class referees from other like Marty Duffy are sent up to games in the north cos the local refs can't be trusted.