Well that's the league over and not a lot changed from 2013. No emerging teams and mediocrity and worse from most of the teams. Not sure how we let that Derry team beat us but by the end of the year we might see that defeat as a blessing – avoiding the Dubs in a final at this time of the year and focusing us on what we need to do.
Let's cut to the chase here – this year's AI will be won by one of Dublin, Kerry or Mayo. No other team in contention. For us to win it we have to win 3 games in August/Sept - simple as. Connacht is a given and we will chalk up the 4 in a row without any problem. None of the Connacht teams are even near us in terms of the pace and power that we play at and we can burn off any of the Connacht opposition in a 10 minute spell.
Dublin and Kerry are likely to be in a similar position to us and able to focus on the AI quarters – Cork might trouble Kerry at home but I doubt it. Can't see anyone coming through qualifiers likely to cause a shock and in fact the field this year does not look very strong – the big 3 apart. Monaghan and Cavan are game and feisty and could be bothersome opponents but lacking the necessary class. Derry are a long way off what is needed as we seen today. Donegal are gone – Jimmy pulled off an amazing stunt to win 2012 but it won't work again as the aura has gone – can't imagine the Donegal/Derry game will be a sell out!! Nothing much else around Ulster, Cork are decent enough but don't have a good enough backline or midfield, Leinster outside of the Dubs is Div2/3 stuff and nothing in Connacht but ourselves.
So we are guaranteed a qtr. final and indeed the big game for us is the Munster Final. If Cork can beat Kerry then an AI final appearance for us becomes more a probability than possibility (if we avoid Kerry in the qtrs.). We will still probably have Dubs in front of us come September and while it won't be easy we are probably the only team capable of beating them. Hopefully Horan will have sharpened up and learned from his mistakes of the past 2 years and will not be too loyal to certain players.
I'm happy enough with where we are after the league as it is clear we are planning to peak in Aug/Sept. The sloppy performances in the last 10 mins v Dubs and against Derry will be irrelevant come August when it will be all about power, possession and pace – something we have more than most teams. Had to laugh at some of the posters here and some of the media overreacting to these results and the old chestnuts about leadership and lack of forwards being resurrected. This marquee" forward baloney is something else. Of course when we win the AI the experts will bestow the term "marquee" on a couple of our forwards and show that's what we were missing other years. You would swear that Kerry won AI's living on scraps but with "marquee Gooch" converting every half chance that came their way. Same with Dubs and Brogan. Cork managed an AI in 2010 without any stand out forward if you leave out Goulding's free taking. Fact is that we have a team that have potential scorers all over the field and if we rack up a big score spread over 8 or 9 players then all the better rather than depending on a couple of forwards. We have plenty of options in the forwards both in terms of winning ball, breaking past defenders and taking scores. Might add that I see Dillon and Moran as bit players at best this year - both great servants but no longer up to the pace of the game once we get outside the pedestrian stuff in Connacht.
Everything then points to a repeat of last year's final and hope this time that our management are more on the ball. No doubt Horan and his team have done a great job with this squad and put them on a level that few can match. But he has yet to prove himself in the cauldron of an AI final and mistakes on the line last year and 2012 cost us both finals. Hopefully the experience will stand to him and he will learn to read what is happening in front of hime better. This is where we need the most improvement.
Anyway we have a lot to look forward to and probably a fair bit of celebrating to do too. We are still 4/1 for Sam so might be worth putting on a few bob to cover September expenses.
Sorry there is an error in your subject I think you accidentally included Kerry and Mayo.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on April 27, 2014, 06:09:36 PM
Well that's the league over and not a lot changed from 2013. No emerging teams and mediocrity and worse from most of the teams. Not sure how we let that Derry team beat us but by the end of the year we might see that defeat as a blessing – avoiding the Dubs in a final at this time of the year and focusing us on what we need to do.
Let's cut to the chase here – this year's AI will be won by one of Dublin, Kerry or Mayo. No other team in contention. For us to win it we have to win 3 games in August/Sept - simple as. Connacht is a given and we will chalk up the 4 in a row without any problem. None of the Connacht teams are even near us in terms of the pace and power that we play at and we can burn off any of the Connacht opposition in a 10 minute spell.
Dublin and Kerry are likely to be in a similar position to us and able to focus on the AI quarters – Cork might trouble Kerry at home but I doubt it. Can't see anyone coming through qualifiers likely to cause a shock and in fact the field this year does not look very strong – the big 3 apart. Monaghan and Cavan are game and feisty and could be bothersome opponents but lacking the necessary class. Derry are a long way off what is needed as we seen today. Donegal are gone – Jimmy pulled off an amazing stunt to win 2012 but it won't work again as the aura has gone – can't imagine the Donegal/Derry game will be a sell out!! Nothing much else around Ulster, Cork are decent enough but don't have a good enough backline or midfield, Leinster outside of the Dubs is Div2/3 stuff and nothing in Connacht but ourselves.
So we are guaranteed a qtr. final and indeed the big game for us is the Munster Final. If Cork can beat Kerry then an AI final appearance for us becomes more a probability than possibility (if we avoid Kerry in the qtrs.). We will still probably have Dubs in front of us come September and while it won't be easy we are probably the only team capable of beating them. Hopefully Horan will have sharpened up and learned from his mistakes of the past 2 years and will not be too loyal to certain players.
I'm happy enough with where we are after the league as it is clear we are planning to peak in Aug/Sept. The sloppy performances in the last 10 mins v Dubs and against Derry will be irrelevant come August when it will be all about power, possession and pace – something we have more than most teams. Had to laugh at some of the posters here and some of the media overreacting to these results and the old chestnuts about leadership and lack of forwards being resurrected. This marquee" forward baloney is something else. Of course when we win the AI the experts will bestow the term "marquee" on a couple of our forwards and show that's what we were missing other years. You would swear that Kerry won AI's living on scraps but with "marquee Gooch" converting every half chance that came their way. Same with Dubs and Brogan. Cork managed an AI in 2010 without any stand out forward if you leave out Goulding's free taking. Fact is that we have a team that have potential scorers all over the field and if we rack up a big score spread over 8 or 9 players then all the better rather than depending on a couple of forwards. We have plenty of options in the forwards both in terms of winning ball, breaking past defenders and taking scores. Might add that I see Dillon and Moran as bit players at best this year - both great servants but no longer up to the pace of the game once we get outside the pedestrian stuff in Connacht.
Everything then points to a repeat of last year's final and hope this time that our management are more on the ball. No doubt Horan and his team have done a great job with this squad and put them on a level that few can match. But he has yet to prove himself in the cauldron of an AI final and mistakes on the line last year and 2012 cost us both finals. Hopefully the experience will stand to him and he will learn to read what is happening in front of hime better. This is where we need the most improvement.
Anyway we have a lot to look forward to and probably a fair bit of celebrating to do too. We are still 4/1 for Sam so might be worth putting on a few bob to cover September expenses.
Allot of rubbish in there. Mayo are a spent force. Their race is run. Their goose is cooked! This bunch have gone to the well to many times! Mayo will not Make the AI Final unless the draw is very kind to them.
True there are only a small number of AI contenders but I honestly don't think Mayo will be one of them this year. Don't get me wrong they should get into the latter stages but I don't see them winning it, still short that bit of quality up front and I don't think they'll have the same desire this year.
Mayo Mick's first thread since this? http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=21050.0
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 27, 2014, 06:48:26 PM
Mayo Mick's first thread since this? http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=21050.0
This sort of thing is why I love Mayo fans. Endlessly entertaining! :D
What's more entertaining is people who believe this fellow is from Mayo.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 27, 2014, 06:57:54 PM
What's more entertaining is people who believe this fellow is from Mayo.
Now now, don't be disowning him! He's just brave enough to say what you are all thinking.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 27, 2014, 06:59:32 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 27, 2014, 06:57:54 PM
What's more entertaining is people who believe this fellow is from Mayo.
Now now, don't be disowning him! He's just brave enough to say what you are all thinking.
Huh? Go on...tell me what I was thinking about the other morning at 3am while you're at it
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 27, 2014, 06:59:32 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 27, 2014, 06:57:54 PM
What's more entertaining is people who believe this fellow is from Mayo.
Now now, don't be disowning him! He's just brave enough to say what you are all thinking.
You can only disown what is yours can you not?
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 27, 2014, 06:59:32 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 27, 2014, 06:57:54 PM
What's more entertaining is people who believe this fellow is from Mayo.
Now now, don't be disowning him! He's just brave enough to say what you are all thinking.
Most of us feel we have left the last 2 AIs behind us especially last year. Had we won both we would be well on the way to being the dominant team of the decade. For this year most of us who follow the team do not see any teams outside of Dubs and Kerry that would beat us provided we perform to the level we can.
To win the AI we need to win 3 games - even the most pessimistic supporters do not see us failing to win Connacht. This gives us a massive advantage and also means we don't need to peak until Aug.
QuoteWhat's more entertaining is people who believe this fellow is from Mayo.
I'm from the western part of the county Farrandelin and have been following Mayo teams for more than 30 years. Don't spend much of my time following internet discussions as prefer to spend my life in the real world. I hate the oul béal bocht stuff though - you know as well as I do that most supporters know that we have been a top 2 or 3 team for the past 4 or 5 years and that is likely to continue. Getting to no 1 is the hard part.
There is nothing to suggest that the AI winners will come from outside of Dubs, Kerry and ourselves with the Dubs the clear favourites. However they wont always be as good as the second half v Cork and today and even today Derry could have had a half dozen goals. If we face them in Sept I would not fear them.
Mayo will probably win Connacht alright, although i know of a few shrewd football men in the West who reckon that it won't be the procession for them that it was last year.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 27, 2014, 07:02:04 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 27, 2014, 06:59:32 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 27, 2014, 06:57:54 PM
What's more entertaining is people who believe this fellow is from Mayo.
Now now, don't be disowning him! He's just brave enough to say what you are all thinking.
Huh? Go on...tell me what I was thinking about the other morning at 3am while you're at it
We all know what you were thinking about. We just don't like to think about it.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 27, 2014, 06:57:54 PM
What's more entertaining is people who believe this fellow is from Mayo.
Is he a mischievous Rossie, do you think?
Quote from: Jinxy on April 27, 2014, 09:05:46 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 27, 2014, 06:57:54 PM
What's more entertaining is people who believe this fellow is from Mayo.
Is he a mischievous Rossie, do you think?
He is way too diplomatic to be a Rossie.
Probably from Galway.
Can honestly say this is the first year in a long time when I feel Kerry have verry little chance of winning the AI. Nowhere near the mobility, speed or depth of Dublin right now. The loss of the Gooch only exacerbates the margin of course. I think Mayo are the only team who might be able to take Dublin if they are going well, but of course, it's a long year and even a good team like Dublin can have an off day.
Don't see Cork getting anywhere near Sam either, some glaring weaknesses there that will be highlighted come high summer.
Donegal, Cork and Kerry will challenge. Mayo haven't got the forwards.
Quote from: BennyCake on April 27, 2014, 11:34:50 PM
Donegal, Cork and Kerry will challenge. Mayo haven't got the forwards.
..and yet they got within 1 of Dublin last year having given away a sloppy goal themselves. I know they haven't got the strongest forward line, but they have the strength and pace to contain Dublin better than any other team. Cork have good forwards, but woeful midfield and fullback line..how you can say they'll go close is beyod me. Donegal don't look hectic either to be honest.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on April 27, 2014, 06:09:36 PM
Well that's the league over and not a lot changed from 2013. No emerging teams and mediocrity and worse from most of the teams. Not sure how we let that Derry team beat us but by the end of the year we might see that defeat as a blessing – avoiding the Dubs in a final at this time of the year and focusing us on what we need to do.
Let's cut to the chase here – this year's AI will be won by one of Dublin, Kerry or Mayo. No other team in contention. For us to win it we have to win 3 games in August/Sept - simple as. Connacht is a given and we will chalk up the 4 in a row without any problem. None of the Connacht teams are even near us in terms of the pace and power that we play at and we can burn off any of the Connacht opposition in a 10 minute spell.
Dublin and Kerry are likely to be in a similar position to us and able to focus on the AI quarters – Cork might trouble Kerry at home but I doubt it. Can't see anyone coming through qualifiers likely to cause a shock and in fact the field this year does not look very strong – the big 3 apart. Monaghan and Cavan are game and feisty and could be bothersome opponents but lacking the necessary class. Derry are a long way off what is needed as we seen today. Donegal are gone – Jimmy pulled off an amazing stunt to win 2012 but it won't work again as the aura has gone – can't imagine the Donegal/Derry game will be a sell out!! Nothing much else around Ulster, Cork are decent enough but don't have a good enough backline or midfield, Leinster outside of the Dubs is Div2/3 stuff and nothing in Connacht but ourselves.
So we are guaranteed a qtr. final and indeed the big game for us is the Munster Final. If Cork can beat Kerry then an AI final appearance for us becomes more a probability than possibility (if we avoid Kerry in the qtrs.). We will still probably have Dubs in front of us come September and while it won't be easy we are probably the only team capable of beating them. Hopefully Horan will have sharpened up and learned from his mistakes of the past 2 years and will not be too loyal to certain players.
I'm happy enough with where we are after the league as it is clear we are planning to peak in Aug/Sept. The sloppy performances in the last 10 mins v Dubs and against Derry will be irrelevant come August when it will be all about power, possession and pace – something we have more than most teams. Had to laugh at some of the posters here and some of the media overreacting to these results and the old chestnuts about leadership and lack of forwards being resurrected. This marquee" forward baloney is something else. Of course when we win the AI the experts will bestow the term "marquee" on a couple of our forwards and show that's what we were missing other years. You would swear that Kerry won AI's living on scraps but with "marquee Gooch" converting every half chance that came their way. Same with Dubs and Brogan. Cork managed an AI in 2010 without any stand out forward if you leave out Goulding's free taking. Fact is that we have a team that have potential scorers all over the field and if we rack up a big score spread over 8 or 9 players then all the better rather than depending on a couple of forwards. We have plenty of options in the forwards both in terms of winning ball, breaking past defenders and taking scores. Might add that I see Dillon and Moran as bit players at best this year - both great servants but no longer up to the pace of the game once we get outside the pedestrian stuff in Connacht.
Everything then points to a repeat of last year's final and hope this time that our management are more on the ball. No doubt Horan and his team have done a great job with this squad and put them on a level that few can match. But he has yet to prove himself in the cauldron of an AI final and mistakes on the line last year and 2012 cost us both finals. Hopefully the experience will stand to him and he will learn to read what is happening in front of hime better. This is where we need the most improvement. Anyway we have a lot to look forward to and probably a fair bit of celebrating to do too. We are still 4/1 for Sam so might be worth putting on a few bob to cover September expenses.
Just for the sake of debate I highlighted the bits above.
Who s going to replace Dillon and Andy Moran?
And the bit about Horan and how he deals in a big situation. Do you really think that will or can change? Horan is a lot of the reason we got to 2 AI finals. But he could now be going for 3 in a row instead of being a double loser without too much adjustment. But he did what he believed in. But he has ended up now with a very inflexible squad and damn all freshness and that was his choice. He s going to go with what has been close and failed twice. And it will fail again obviously. This league has eliminated players rather than develop new ones. He s not going to adapt and anybody that thinks he might is fooling themeslves.
Mayo are concentrating on the World Cup in Brazil ;D
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on April 27, 2014, 11:55:35 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 27, 2014, 11:34:50 PM
Donegal, Cork and Kerry will challenge. Mayo haven't got the forwards.
..and yet they got within 1 of Dublin last year having given away a sloppy goal themselves. I know they haven't got the strongest forward line, but they have the strength and pace to contain Dublin better than any other team. Cork have good forwards, but woeful midfield and fullback line..how you can say they'll go close is beyod me. Donegal don't look hectic either to be honest.
Yes, within 1 point. May as well have been 51 points. Dublin were poor, and some players were struggling badly the last few minutes. They fell over the line. Until Mayo get two great forwards, they'll win nothing.
Quote from: BennyCake on April 28, 2014, 01:40:04 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on April 27, 2014, 11:55:35 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 27, 2014, 11:34:50 PM
Donegal, Cork and Kerry will challenge. Mayo haven't got the forwards.
..and yet they got within 1 of Dublin last year having given away a sloppy goal themselves. I know they haven't got the strongest forward line, but they have the strength and pace to contain Dublin better than any other team. Cork have good forwards, but woeful midfield and fullback line..how you can say they'll go close is beyod me. Donegal don't look hectic either to be honest.
Yes, within 1 point. May as well have been 51 points. Dublin were poor, and some players were struggling badly the last few minutes. They fell over the line. Until Mayo get two great forwards, they'll win nothing.
I'm not talking about winning it, I'm talking about beating Dublin..which (despite lacking a top class forward as you say) Mayo DID in 2012 and came within a score of doing last year.
If Dublin were out, it would be anyone's really. Dublin were poor in last years final as you say, which just shows that even the best team can have an off day. Over a 2 year period a team is likely to have a couple of those, hence why the back to back is so hard.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on April 28, 2014, 03:11:52 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 28, 2014, 01:40:04 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on April 27, 2014, 11:55:35 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 27, 2014, 11:34:50 PM
Donegal, Cork and Kerry will challenge. Mayo haven't got the forwards.
..and yet they got within 1 of Dublin last year having given away a sloppy goal themselves. I know they haven't got the strongest forward line, but they have the strength and pace to contain Dublin better than any other team. Cork have good forwards, but woeful midfield and fullback line..how you can say they'll go close is beyod me. Donegal don't look hectic either to be honest.
Yes, within 1 point. May as well have been 51 points. Dublin were poor, and some players were struggling badly the last few minutes. They fell over the line. Until Mayo get two great forwards, they'll win nothing.
I'm not talking about winning it, I'm talking about beating Dublin..which (despite lacking a top class forward as you say) Mayo DID in 2012 and came within a score of doing last year.
If Dublin were out, it would be anyone's really. Dublin were poor in last years final as you say, which just shows that even the best team can have an off day. Over a 2 year period a team is likely to have a couple of those, hence why the back to back is so hard.
Id say Dublin have improved from last year - have Mayo unearthed any new forwards of real class that will improve their ability to score under pressure in the biggest games?
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 28, 2014, 08:03:31 AM
Id say Dublin have improved from last year - have Mayo unearthed any new forwards of real class that will improve their ability to score under pressure in the biggest games?
Sweeney is a new addition. He's not a Gooch, but a step up from previous Mayocorner forwards. Havent seen enough of him to know how much he contributes in general play or whether he could win a 50-50 against a tough corner back, but he does seem to be a reliable finisher, both over and under the bar.
Quote from: BennyCake on April 27, 2014, 11:34:50 PM
Donegal, Cork and Kerry will challenge. Mayo haven't got the forwards.
Donegal looked poor yesterday after starting the league very strong, they've gone backwards
MayoMick you are fooling yourself if you rate Kerry as a top challenger.
Kerry are a fading act and have been for two years now as players retire and the others start to show their age. The final straw is the loss of Gooch. Since 2009 Kerry have lost Kieran Donaghy, Tommy Walsh, Tadgh Kenneally, Darragh O'Se, Tomas O'Se, and Paul Galvin. They have been replaced by players that are not even close to their level (Peter Crowley, David Moran, Stephen O'Brien, Kieran O'Leary, Paul Geaney, James O'Donoghue, Daithí Casey) not to mention that Tommy Griffin is 36 and Marc O'Se is 34.
You are also fooling yourself if you think Mayo's league performances should be discounted when assessing their AI chances, but one bad day at the office for Derry and you have written them off!!! You can't have it both ways.
And if your basis of judgement is that some teams peak when it comes to championship football then I notice that you have glaringly left Tyrone off you list. Didn't Tyrone beat Mayo by two clear goals this year already? Also after gifting Dublin three goals Tyrone dominated Dublin outscoring them 1-12 to 0-7 in the next 45 minutes. In fact if the referee hadn't denied Tyrone a clear last minute free kick on the 14 yard line, Dublin wouldn't be in the semi-finals at all. If there is a team that can peak for championships then it is Tyrone under Micky Harte
Quote from: PAULD123 on April 28, 2014, 10:49:21 AM
MayoMick you are fooling yourself if you rate Kerry as a top challenger.
Kerry are a fading act and have been for two years now as players retire and the others start to show their age. The final straw is the loss of Gooch. Since 2009 Kerry have lost Kieran Donaghy, Tommy Walsh, Tadgh Kenneally, Darragh O'Se, Tomas O'Se, and Paul Galvin. They have been replaced by players that are not even close to their level (Peter Crowley, David Moran, Stephen O'Brien, Kieran O'Leary, Paul Geaney, James O'Donoghue, Daithí Casey) not to mention that Tommy Griffin is 36 and Marc O'Se is 34.
Reminds me of 1975.
Quote from: PAULD123 on April 28, 2014, 10:49:21 AM
MayoMick you are fooling yourself if you rate Kerry as a top challenger.
Kerry are a fading act and have been for two years now as players retire and the others start to show their age. The final straw is the loss of Gooch. Since 2009 Kerry have lost Kieran Donaghy, Tommy Walsh, Tadgh Kenneally, Darragh O'Se, Tomas O'Se, and Paul Galvin. They have been replaced by players that are not even close to their level (Peter Crowley, David Moran, Stephen O'Brien, Kieran O'Leary, Paul Geaney, James O'Donoghue, Daithí Casey) not to mention that Tommy Griffin is 36 and Marc O'Se is 34.
You are also fooling yourself if you think Mayo's league performances should be discounted when assessing their AI chances, but one bad day at the office for Derry and you have written them off!!! You can't have it both ways.
And if your basis of judgement is that some teams peak when it comes to championship football then I notice that you have glaringly left Tyrone off you list. Didn't Tyrone beat Mayo by two clear goals this year already? Also after gifting Dublin three goals Tyrone dominated Dublin outscoring them 1-12 to 0-7 in the next 45 minutes. In fact if the referee hadn't denied Tyrone a clear last minute free kick on the 14 yard line, Dublin wouldn't be in the semi-finals at all. If there is a team that can peak for championships then it is Tyrone under Micky Harte
Tommy retired a couple of years ago as well.
Put ye're money on Tyrone then it seems according to Pauldeen.
Wonder was it a prohetic error but when the Ros team/management was being announced in Croker Saturday night the caption on the big screen gave James Horan as Manager :-[
Anyway it's Dublin's to lose as they'll stroll through Leinster except for the usual 20 minutes if they meet Meath and it will depend on how the hunger is in August then.
The awful first 37 minutes v Cork seems to have wakened them from their NFL laziness and they've been on fire since.
So it's hope Dublin have a bad day against a team that can make them pay for it otherwise it's Sam to stay where he is.
Quote from: PAULD123 on April 28, 2014, 10:49:21 AM
You are also fooling yourself if you think Mayo's league performances should be discounted when assessing their AI chances, but one bad day at the office for Derry and you have written them off!!! You can't have it both ways.
And if your basis of judgement is that some teams peak when it comes to championship football then I notice that you have glaringly left Tyrone off you list. Didn't Tyrone beat Mayo by two clear goals this year already? Also after gifting Dublin three goals Tyrone dominated Dublin outscoring them 1-12 to 0-7 in the next 45 minutes. In fact if the referee hadn't denied Tyrone a clear last minute free kick on the 14 yard line, Dublin wouldn't be in the semi-finals at all. If there is a team that can peak for championships then it is Tyrone under Micky Harte
Your points are valid, if we are talking about next year's League.
Derry have made great strides this Spring, but in terms of Championship they have a lot to do to deserve to be mentioned in comparison to a team who has beaten the last 3 winners of Sam and who has won 5 All-Ireland series Championship matches in Croker in the last 3 years. Dublin have won 7 (All-Ireland series) in Croker in the same period.
That is the bar.
Kerry & Tyrone have won 1 equivalent game each. Kerry & Tyrone haven't done anything in the League to suggest this will change dramatically this year. Derry arguably has (and possibly Cork until they met Dublin), but that is based on one League campaign. Mayo's argument is a lot more credible imho.
Honestly think Mayo's chance was in 2012 . Imo would have won it but for the terrible goal conceded that came off the post.
Think Cork are in with a serious shout and despite the facts in front of me I just have a hunch that Galway will do well.
Hard to know with Kerry. They will try the usual rope a dope trick, PLAY up Cooper's absence, yerra yerra away and still be standing in CP in August.
Honestly will be disappointed if Dublin don't win though. Players (esp forwards ) like we have at the moment don't come around regularly and we must win titles Kerrystyle while we have them.
So for me anyone between Cork, Kerry or Dublin.
Tyrone fans may disagree but can't see the forwards now to compare with those in the 00s.
Don't know why some of the Mayo lads are talking up Mayo's chances based on who they beat over the last 3 years. Those results count for absolutely nothing this year. Not only do Mayo not have the forwards to win an All Ireland, which has been proven, there is now a second elephant in the room. It's a defence that conceded 16 goals in 8 league games. How do you go from that to winning an All Ireland in just a few months. Can't helg feeling that Mayo's All Ireland ship has already sailed.
Quote from: Canalman on April 28, 2014, 11:20:05 AM
Honestly think Mayo's chance was in 2012 . Imo would have won it but for the terrible goal conceded that came off the post.
Think Cork are in with a serious shout and despite the facts in front of me I just have a hunch that Galway will do well.
Hard to know with Kerry. They will try the usual rope a dope trick, PLAY up Cooper's absence, yerra yerra away and still be standing in CP in August.
Honestly will be disappointed if Dublin don't win though. Players (esp forwards ) like we have at the moment don't come around regularly and we must win titles Kerrystyle while we have them.
So for me anyone between Cork, Kerry or Dublin.
Tyrone fans may disagree but can't see the forwards now to compare with those in the 00s.
As well as Gooch , they also lost O Sé and Galvin. That's a big absence of quality.
Those 3 played very well v Dublin last year. The subs made little impact so can't see those boots being filled . Kerry have lost too much and would be a major achievement in they figured in September.
I actually rate Tyrone in higher regard. They seem be of that familiar backbone although lacking forward quality of old
They won't be brushed aside easily.
Quote from: Shrewdness on April 28, 2014, 12:30:21 PM
Don't know why some of the Mayo lads are talking up Mayo's chances based on who they beat over the last 3 years. Those results count for absolutely nothing this year. Not only do Mayo not have the forwards to win an All Ireland, which has been proven, there is now a second elephant in the room. It's a defence that conceded 16 goals in 8 league games. How do you go from that to winning an All Ireland in just a few months. Can't helg feeling that Mayo's All Ireland ship has already sailed.
We are also the only team to beat Dublin in the Championship since 2010. We also scored more than Dublin and in the League.
We have every right to consider ourselves contenders.
I think we should give up on football like Killkenny and concentrate on hurling ;D. We could build a team around Ger Caff , Keith Higgins and Sean Regan.The negatives are we would probably struggle to get into division 2A and take a fair few thumpings from the emerging counties like Carlow Laois and Kerry but on the plus side , as a fan and Gaa board member I wouldn't have to read half as many genius threads set up by crazy neighbouring supporters under their plethora of bogus forum accounts about how shite we really are as feck all people post on the hurling thread on this site ;)!! Also no All Ireland final days spent ruining everyones day from the mighty footballing heartlands of Rosscommon or they wise nouveau riche sages from Tyrone having to puncture our unbelievable arrogance of all things GAA ;D.No more dragging poor old Derry through the charade of having to read in the media about our loss and not their mighty victory and then to rub it in we send them into the lion's den with the mighty Dubs as an apology ;D ;D.
Yes the days would be more relaxed having a good chat with Hardstation about the small ball as he mentors us through the rituals of the upper end of the hurling tribe plus Cyril and Liam Sheedy would have nothing but positives about our endeavors to master the most skillful game in the world ;). Maybe even Hardy and Jinxy might drop in from time to time if there is a Mayo v Meath division 2B match thread to fill us in on the goings on of the football world with a few friendly jibes of the helter sketler past and 1996 to jog the memory of our more rebellious days when we use to torment the mind of every true Gael through our very existence in the football championship and ruin manys a 3rd Sunday in September when we rocked up red eyed and weak limbed in Croker. ;D ;D
Maybe even the bauld Eugene might let Longford/Laois/Carlow/Fermanagh/Clare or any other county into Connacht where they could take on the new kings of Connacht Rosscommon and win all those provincial titles that were handed to us (along with a day in Croker) that I was always hearing about along with how they would mop up tonnes of them by being in the junk bond province. Sligonian would be much calmer too and Andy and all the other political prisoners in Ballagh could go play for the Rossies ;D ;D!All in all a better deal for everyone and I think I just might do my duty and plead with FRC to give Mayo football the black card once and for all!!! ;)
Muppet, of course you're entitled to consider yourselves contenders. I was only giving my opinion, which i'm entitled to do.. I don't see any improvement or new blood in their forwards. Mikey Sweeney is unproven at championship level, so the jury is still out. Have heard a few people say that the introduction of the black card has diluted Mayo's defensive style, which could partially explain the concession of 16 goals.
I love the headlines today.
"Dublin dismantle Derry"
"Pursuit of Double Double....."
"Dubs blow Derry away......"
Had it been Mayo it would have been language like collapse, same old 'demons', Mayo croker jinx.....etc etc.
Jack O'Connor was a great manager but he is a useless pundit. He came out with the old nugget that "no one would have lived with Dublin today".
It was clear that the Derry minds were more focused on Ulster RD1. The Dubs were made look good. This media hype will go overload for the summer which suits our lads.
Not often I agree with Mick but he is correct here to a certain extent. I think he stuck Kerry in though as a wind up, they won't be far off, they never are but I think the only team capable of stopping the Jacks are our boys.
Also I believe that Donaghy is now in doubt with an injury.
Beating the Dubs means stopping 4 of their key players, simple as that. Not that I'm wishing anything on the Duds but Kilkenny apart they have been very lucky on the injury front over the last 5 years. If they lose the like of MDMCC or Clux then they could be in bother.
Quote from: Shrewdness on April 28, 2014, 02:49:40 PM
Muppet, of course you're entitled to consider yourselves contenders. I was only giving my opinion, which i'm entitled to do.. I don't see any improvement or new blood in their forwards. Mikey Sweeney is unproven at championship level, so the jury is still out. Have heard a few people say that the introduction of the black card has diluted Mayo's defensive style, which could partially explain the concession of 16 goals.
QuoteDon't know why some of the Mayo lads are talking up Mayo's chances
You are dismissing all Mayo posters opinions while shouting 'I was only giving my opinion, which I am entitled to do.'
Wasn't shouting at all Muppet. Fascinated to know what your problem is, and you the one who earlier focussed on Seanie Mc Dermott's tackle. Is that all of that game that you saw?. As for writing about Mayo, i'll write whatever i believe.
Quote from: Canalman on April 28, 2014, 11:20:05 AM
Honestly think Mayo's chance was in 2012 . Imo would have won it but for the terrible goal conceded that came off the post.
Think Cork are in with a serious shout and despite the facts in front of me I just have a hunch that Galway will do well.
Hard to know with Kerry. They will try the usual rope a dope trick, PLAY up Cooper's absence, yerra yerra away and still be standing in CP in August.
Honestly will be disappointed if Dublin don't win though. Players (esp forwards ) like we have at the moment don't come around regularly and we must win titles Kerrystyle while we have them.
So for me anyone between Cork, Kerry or Dublin.
Tyrone fans may disagree but can't see the forwards now to compare with those in the 00s.
Although we have no marquee forward of Canavan's class, I think Tyrone do have the forwards to compete at the highest level. It's the defence that's the problem.
Quote from: Shrewdness on April 28, 2014, 07:05:31 PM
Wasn't shouting at all Muppet. Fascinated to know what your problem is, and you the one who earlier focussed on Seanie Mc Dermott's tackle. Is that all of that game that you saw?. As for writing about Mayo, i'll write whatever i believe.
Yes that is all I saw. I literally walked in the door with my kids and saw that tackle. I haven't commented on anything else as I didn't see anything else. What has that to do with anything?
Nothing.
To dismiss Mayo's chances this year doesn't make sense, pundits have us down as one of the main contenders and the bookies have us at 6/1 behind Cork at 11/5 so they must believe we have some chance! Granted Dublin are evens after yesterday and they did look unstoppable, but to quote the old cliche All Ireland's aren't won in April.
Looking at Mayo 2014 so far isn't a whole lot different from this time last year. The league campaign last year was not a great one. We went down to Cork on the last day looking for a win just to guarantee our Div 1 status and ended up not only doing that in the semi final by virtue of other results. This year, despite the "elephant" of our goal concession rate in the league we had our div 1 status secured with a game to go. The whole atmosphere of "Oh woe is Mayo" that was bandied about after the semi final with Derry was prevalent last year, yet we went out and blew away the opposition up to the semi final. We put away Tyrone comfortably after a slow start and had we taken our first half chances in the final the end game last year would've been very different. I'm not saying we don't have issues that need to be sorted, but I reckon there are very few managers out there, if they were drawn against us, that would be as dismissive of us as some people here are.
Quote from: Shrewdness on April 28, 2014, 02:49:40 PM
Muppet, of course you're entitled to consider yourselves contenders. I was only giving my opinion, which i'm entitled to do.. I don't see any improvement or new blood in their forwards. Mikey Sweeney is unproven at championship level, so the jury is still out. Have heard a few people say that the introduction of the black card has diluted Mayo's defensive style, which could partially explain the concession of 16 goals.
Of course Mayo are contenders. Have been all during the Horan era and would have been earlier too if we had a clue.
Correct about the forwards and some of that is down to the manager. Mikey is not new blood - rejected years ago and recalled on the back of his club's run - but I wish the lad well. Our forward line could be better and different imo but maybe Horan knows that Dillon will be back and flying by bonfire night.
Of course I dont think Mayo will actually win the thing but they can go close again if they can reproduce last year s form and that should not be an issue. Mayo have got a few games right against the Dubs too last few years. The first 50mins of the 2012 semi was unreal. However the last 20 mins shows up our limitations. Apart from midfielders our bench is poor for top championship games and maybe the sideline does not cover itself in glory either sometimes.
I think a Mayo starting 15 can go toe to toe with a Dublin 15 but Dublin have the bench to finish stronger. As we ve seen a 10 point ht lead is no guarantee you will beat the Dubs. But I believe we have the best chance of beating Dublin. We ve annoyed them earlier. Cluxton s petulance and MDMcA having a face like a bull on him was encouraging when we met in the league. Our demise on the night, as in other games in this league, was largely down to our own farting around on the line and and brain freezes on the pitch as much as what the opposition was doing to us.
To the Mayo lads, somewhere in my above posts, it seems that i haven't got across properly what i was trying to say.. By no means am i being dismissive of Mayo as a team. I still regard them as one of the top teams in the country, with many excellent players. What i was trying to say was that i don't regard them as serious a contender as they were last year.. I actually backed them to win Sam in the bookies last year the day after they hammered Galway..I wouldn't back them this year..If we overlook the amount of goals being conceded, there are two main reasons i say that...1- I don't think they have enough top quality forwards to win it...2- To keep the show on the road again til late Sept will take a huge toll on players, mentally and physically. Those Mayo players have been to hell and back with effort, pain and disappointment over the last 3 years. Can they do it all again?..That's all i was trying to say.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 28, 2014, 07:13:26 PM
Quote from: Canalman on April 28, 2014, 11:20:05 AM
Honestly think Mayo's chance was in 2012 . Imo would have won it but for the terrible goal conceded that came off the post.
Think Cork are in with a serious shout and despite the facts in front of me I just have a hunch that Galway will do well.
Hard to know with Kerry. They will try the usual rope a dope trick, PLAY up Cooper's absence, yerra yerra away and still be standing in CP in August.
Honestly will be disappointed if Dublin don't win though. Players (esp forwards ) like we have at the moment don't come around regularly and we must win titles Kerrystyle while we have them.
So for me anyone between Cork, Kerry or Dublin.
Tyrone fans may disagree but can't see the forwards now to compare with those in the 00s.
Although we have no marquee forward of Canavan's class, I think Tyrone do have the forwards to compete at the highest level. It's the defence that's the problem.
Tyrone's forwards are no better than Mayo's.
Quote from: Syferus on April 29, 2014, 08:47:49 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 28, 2014, 07:13:26 PM
Quote from: Canalman on April 28, 2014, 11:20:05 AM
Honestly think Mayo's chance was in 2012 . Imo would have won it but for the terrible goal conceded that came off the post.
Think Cork are in with a serious shout and despite the facts in front of me I just have a hunch that Galway will do well.
Hard to know with Kerry. They will try the usual rope a dope trick, PLAY up Cooper's absence, yerra yerra away and still be standing in CP in August.
Honestly will be disappointed if Dublin don't win though. Players (esp forwards ) like we have at the moment don't come around regularly and we must win titles Kerrystyle while we have them.
So for me anyone between Cork, Kerry or Dublin.
Tyrone fans may disagree but can't see the forwards now to compare with those in the 00s.
Although we have no marquee forward of Canavan's class, I think Tyrone do have the forwards to compete at the highest level. It's the defence that's the problem.
Tyrone's forwards are no better than Mayo's.
Tyrone have very promising forwards coming through. Ronan O'Neill, Kyle Coney, Mattie Donnelly and Darren McCurry are all potentially top drawer. Only time will tell, but when you look at the scores they were racking up in the league then I'd be more inclined to believe that they will deliver on their potential.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 29, 2014, 08:56:32 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 29, 2014, 08:47:49 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 28, 2014, 07:13:26 PM
Quote from: Canalman on April 28, 2014, 11:20:05 AM
Honestly think Mayo's chance was in 2012 . Imo would have won it but for the terrible goal conceded that came off the post.
Think Cork are in with a serious shout and despite the facts in front of me I just have a hunch that Galway will do well.
Hard to know with Kerry. They will try the usual rope a dope trick, PLAY up Cooper's absence, yerra yerra away and still be standing in CP in August.
Honestly will be disappointed if Dublin don't win though. Players (esp forwards ) like we have at the moment don't come around regularly and we must win titles Kerrystyle while we have them.
So for me anyone between Cork, Kerry or Dublin.
Tyrone fans may disagree but can't see the forwards now to compare with those in the 00s.
Although we have no marquee forward of Canavan's class, I think Tyrone do have the forwards to compete at the highest level. It's the defence that's the problem.
Tyrone's forwards are no better than Mayo's.
Tyrone have very promising forwards coming through. Ronan O'Neill, Kyle Coney, Mattie Donnelly and Darren McCurry are all potentially top drawer. Only time will tell, but when you look at the scores they were racking up in the league then I'd be more inclined to believe that they will deliver on their potential.
::)
Quote from: Shrewdness on April 29, 2014, 08:00:21 AM
To the Mayo lads, somewhere in my above posts, it seems that i haven't got across properly what i was trying to say.. By no means am i being dismissive of Mayo as a team. I still regard them as one of the top teams in the country, with many excellent players. What i was trying to say was that i don't regard them as serious a contender as they were last year.. I actually backed them to win Sam in the bookies last year the day after they hammered Galway..I wouldn't back them this year..If we overlook the amount of goals being conceded, there are two main reasons i say that...1- I don't think they have enough top quality forwards to win it...2- To keep the show on the road again til late Sept will take a huge toll on players, mentally and physically. Those Mayo players have been to hell and back with effort, pain and disappointment over the last 3 years. Can they do it all again?..That's all i was trying to say.
That's 100%. Will hurt allot of Mayo people but it is the truth.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 29, 2014, 09:19:22 AM
Quote from: Shrewdness on April 29, 2014, 08:00:21 AM
To the Mayo lads, somewhere in my above posts, it seems that i haven't got across properly what i was trying to say.. By no means am i being dismissive of Mayo as a team. I still regard them as one of the top teams in the country, with many excellent players. What i was trying to say was that i don't regard them as serious a contender as they were last year.. I actually backed them to win Sam in the bookies last year the day after they hammered Galway..I wouldn't back them this year..If we overlook the amount of goals being conceded, there are two main reasons i say that...1- I don't think they have enough top quality forwards to win it...2- To keep the show on the road again til late Sept will take a huge toll on players, mentally and physically. Those Mayo players have been to hell and back with effort, pain and disappointment over the last 3 years. Can they do it all again?..That's all i was trying to say.
That's 100%. Will hurt allot of Mayo people but it is the truth.
It would be the honest opinion of a lot of Mayo supporters, but you have to have hope!
They still ran the invincible Dublin team closer than anyone, and always seem to be able to put in at least one top-drawer performance in Croker each summer. It's never happened on final day for whatever reason, and there are countless theories for that.
Cork and Mayo are the teams that could account for Dublin in a semi or final....................................to a lesser extent Tyrone or Moanaghan could give us a surprise and Meath could beat us in a Leinster Final
Mayo had us well bet up until the 56th minute of the league game and Cork were in a similar position only to collapse, I would not foresee that happening in August or September ................................
This is what we are all up against. :-[
https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/dublin-v-derry-2014-league-final/ (https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/dublin-v-derry-2014-league-final/)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 29, 2014, 10:37:53 AM
This is what we are all up against. :-[
https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/dublin-v-derry-2014-league-final/ (https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/dublin-v-derry-2014-league-final/)
The turnovers and shots from them are jaw dropping. Consider that the players leading the turnovers are what we in other counties would consider to be the luxury players (2 Brogans, Andrews, Connolly) is even more startling. Another stat I saw was that by the time Derry had their first ATTEMPT at a point in the 20th minute Dublin had 15 shots at the goals. Unreal. Time for the rest of us in Leinster to concentrate on the club calendar I think.
Quote from: Syferus on April 29, 2014, 08:47:49 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 28, 2014, 07:13:26 PM
Quote from: Canalman on April 28, 2014, 11:20:05 AM
Honestly think Mayo's chance was in 2012 . Imo would have won it but for the terrible goal conceded that came off the post.
Think Cork are in with a serious shout and despite the facts in front of me I just have a hunch that Galway will do well.
Hard to know with Kerry. They will try the usual rope a dope trick, PLAY up Cooper's absence, yerra yerra away and still be standing in CP in August.
Honestly will be disappointed if Dublin don't win though. Players (esp forwards ) like we have at the moment don't come around regularly and we must win titles Kerrystyle while we have them.
So for me anyone between Cork, Kerry or Dublin.
Tyrone fans may disagree but can't see the forwards now to compare with those in the 00s.
Although we have no marquee forward of Canavan's class, I think Tyrone do have the forwards to compete at the highest level. It's the defence that's the problem.
Tyrone's forwards are no better than Mayo's.
Tyrone's forward line are at a different stage of development than Mayo's so it may be hard to make that comparison. Tyrone's potential front 6 of Matty Donnelly, Shay McGuigan / Ronan O'Neill, Mark Donnelly, Darren McCurry, Kyle Coney, Conor McAliskey (with Steven O'Neill and Martin Penrose as reserves) have not really played together that much as a unit in the championship bar last year but I have been impressed enough with them in dispatches. This is why i said "
i think" they may be able to compete at the highest level but i'm not sure. You may be right or you may be wrong in your assertion but in my opinion Tyrone's forwards have a much greater capacity to improve than Mayo's front 6 or 7 do. Again, its just my opinion, but if you were to offer me any of Mayo's front 6 i think i would only take Killian O'Connor to replace any of those guys. However, if you were to offer me any of the defence - i'd take the whole lot of them.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on April 29, 2014, 12:07:24 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 29, 2014, 10:37:53 AM
This is what we are all up against. :-[
https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/dublin-v-derry-2014-league-final/ (https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/dublin-v-derry-2014-league-final/)
The turnovers and shots from them are jaw dropping. Consider that the players leading the turnovers are what we in other counties would consider to be the luxury players (2 Brogans, Andrews, Connolly) is even more startling. Another stat I saw was that by the time Derry had their first ATTEMPT at a point in the 20th minute Dublin had 15 shots at the goals. Unreal. Time for the rest of us in Leinster to concentrate on the club calendar I think.
Tackling used to be something you did to stop the opposition doing what they wanted with the ball i.e. make them pick a different option, misplace the pass, slow their progress etc.
The top teams now see it as an offensive weapon as if you turn over possession, the players around you have to scramble to react and defensive alignment goes out the window.
You can see when the Dublin forwards smell blood they immediately commit more players to the tackle area.
When they do steal the ball they then have runners coming at pace or a player standing off as a 'quarterback' to shift the direction of attack to the other side of the field where there are invariably fewer defenders.
It takes massive fitness and discipline and pace is also key as support is always very quick to arrive.
In terms of other teams ability to emulate this, your fitness and discipline is completely under your own control.
The worst forward in the country can still be a very effective tackler, what he won't be able to do is make the turnover count on the scoreboard.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 29, 2014, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on April 29, 2014, 12:07:24 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 29, 2014, 10:37:53 AM
This is what we are all up against. :-[
https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/dublin-v-derry-2014-league-final/ (https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/dublin-v-derry-2014-league-final/)
The turnovers and shots from them are jaw dropping. Consider that the players leading the turnovers are what we in other counties would consider to be the luxury players (2 Brogans, Andrews, Connolly) is even more startling. Another stat I saw was that by the time Derry had their first ATTEMPT at a point in the 20th minute Dublin had 15 shots at the goals. Unreal. Time for the rest of us in Leinster to concentrate on the club calendar I think.
Tackling used to be something you did to stop the opposition doing what they wanted with the ball i.e. make them pick a different option, misplace the pass, slow their progress etc.
The top teams now see it as an offensive weapon as if you turn over possession, the players around you have to scramble to react and defensive alignment goes out the window.
You can see when the Dublin forwards smell blood they immediately commit more players to the tackle area.
When they do steal the ball they then have runners coming at pace or a player standing off as a 'quarterback' to shift the direction of attack to the other side of the field where there are invariably fewer defenders.
It takes massive fitness and discipline and pace is also key as support is always very quick to arrive.
In terms of other teams ability to emulate this, your fitness and discipline is completely under your own control.
The worst forward in the country can still be a very effective tackler, what he won't be able to do is make the turnover count on the scoreboard.
alot depending on the man in the middle and what he deems a legal tackle
Quote from: Jinxy on April 29, 2014, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on April 29, 2014, 12:07:24 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 29, 2014, 10:37:53 AM
This is what we are all up against. :-[
https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/dublin-v-derry-2014-league-final/ (https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/dublin-v-derry-2014-league-final/)
The turnovers and shots from them are jaw dropping. Consider that the players leading the turnovers are what we in other counties would consider to be the luxury players (2 Brogans, Andrews, Connolly) is even more startling. Another stat I saw was that by the time Derry had their first ATTEMPT at a point in the 20th minute Dublin had 15 shots at the goals. Unreal. Time for the rest of us in Leinster to concentrate on the club calendar I think.
Tackling used to be something you did to stop the opposition doing what they wanted with the ball i.e. make them pick a different option, misplace the pass, slow their progress etc.
The top teams now see it as an offensive weapon as if you turn over possession, the players around you have to scramble to react and defensive alignment goes out the window.
You can see when the Dublin forwards smell blood they immediately commit more players to the tackle area.
When they do steal the ball they then have runners coming at pace or a player standing off as a 'quarterback' to shift the direction of attack to the other side of the field where there are invariably fewer defenders.
It takes massive fitness and discipline and pace is also key as support is always very quick to arrive.
In terms of other teams ability to emulate this, your fitness and discipline is completely under your own control.
The worst forward in the country can still be a very effective tackler, what he won't be able to do is make the turnover count on the scoreboard.
This is an area of the game which is starting to mirror soccer and Rugby... Turnover ball is crucial and is the best time to get scores and especially goals.
It's going to be the big buzz word over the next few years replacing "breaking ball"... I would imagine McStay will start talking about "the contact area" and "the tackle zone" this season as well.
Dublin have latched on to this and it's the main reason they're so far ahead of everyone else (aside from the money/population/playing at home etc.). Because of the new rules teams are bombing 4/5/6 men forward and if the ball is turned quickly then the team becomes all at sea.
The Dubs are working ferociously on turning the ball over by whatever means necessary and as mentioned in another thread they train themselves to get into a shooting position within 8 seconds. As the stats show they aren't particularly clinical but they're creating that many chances that it simply doesn't matter. Even converting 50% of their chances has them destroying teams... god help whatever team gets them when they actually click!
It will take a year or two for other teams to get to this level of ability in what Dublin will do but they also need to be physically as strong and fit as them as well to be able to cope. It's going to be an interesting summer!
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on April 29, 2014, 12:07:24 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 29, 2014, 10:37:53 AM
This is what we are all up against. :-[
https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/dublin-v-derry-2014-league-final/ (https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/dublin-v-derry-2014-league-final/)
The turnovers and shots from them are jaw dropping. Consider that the players leading the turnovers are what we in other counties would consider to be the luxury players (2 Brogans, Andrews, Connolly) is even more startling. Another stat I saw was that by the time Derry had their first ATTEMPT at a point in the 20th minute Dublin had 15 shots at the goals. Unreal. Time for the rest of us in Leinster to concentrate on the club calendar I think.
regardless of venue and advantages and what not work rate is a gift to all teams
Nothing in c'ship so far to suggest any dark horse challengers. Tyrone and Donegal look quarter material at best.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on May 30, 2014, 08:58:09 PM
Nothing in c'ship so far to suggest any dark horse challengers. Tyrone and Donegal look quarter material at best.
Tyrone,Donegal could beat Kerry,Mayo this summer however i hope Dublin gets a few challengers and its doesn't become a one horse race.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on May 30, 2014, 08:58:09 PM
Nothing in c'ship so far to suggest any dark horse challengers. Tyrone and Donegal look quarter material at best.
Poor MayoMick :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Love Mayo as a county , great people great craic , when Donegal are beat i always shout for ya but ya keep busting my wallet
Until the curse is ended Mayo ARE going to win SHAG ALL!!!
Seem to be habitual Bridemaids and great losers which is a pity!!
Your post regarding Donegal and Tyrone appears bitter at best, they have some silverware in the bag at least
If Mayo could keep Edna :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Kenny the far side of the shannon you never know!!!!!
Quote from: anfheardubh on May 31, 2014, 01:26:41 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on May 30, 2014, 08:58:09 PM
Nothing in c'ship so far to suggest any dark horse challengers. Tyrone and Donegal look quarter material at best.
Poor MayoMick :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Love Mayo as a county , great people great craic , when Donegal are beat i always shout for ya but ya keep busting my wallet
Until the curse is ended Mayo ARE going to win SHAG ALL!!!
Seem to be habitual Bridemaids and great losers which is a pity!!
Your post regarding Donegal and Tyrone appears bitter at best, they have some silverware in the bag at least
If Mayo could keep Edna :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Kenny the far side of the shannon you never know!!!!!
Well considering only mayo.mick is from Mayo ( he is the man who puts all the pictures on Mayo Gaa Blog) I wouldn't take this alter ego from a neighbouring county too seriously. ;D I believe he used to terrorise his own county men on stolen sheep for long enough too 8).
Mayo Mick strangely enough pops up around the time Mayo Roscommon matches take place ::)!! I admit it is a clever ploy as the real mayo.mick is know for his over enthusiastic posts but is never as intentionally insulting as Mayo Mick and his seemingly disappeared brother MayoMick. Oh the joys of IP scrambling patches!! ;D
As for keeping Enda west of the Shannon I reckon we should send him off to Europe and let them deal with the monster they created! With him and Ming out there they wouldn't be long figuring how pissed off we are with the way the comission is running things at the moment!!! ;D ;D
Quote from: anfheardubh on May 31, 2014, 01:26:41 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on May 30, 2014, 08:58:09 PM
Nothing in c'ship so far to suggest any dark horse challengers. Tyrone and Donegal look quarter material at best.
Poor MayoMick :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Love Mayo as a county , great people great craic , when Donegal are beat i always shout for ya but ya keep busting my wallet
Until the curse is ended Mayo ARE going to win SHAG ALL!!!
Seem to be habitual Bridemaids and great losers which is a pity!!
Your post regarding Donegal and Tyrone appears bitter at best, they have some silverware in the bag at least
If Mayo could keep Edna :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Kenny the far side of the shannon you never know!!!!!
Mayo Mick's post was spot on. Donegal and Tyrone could beat Mayo etc on a good day but it looks like only Mayo, Cork and maybe Kerry could have a good go at the dubs.
Donegal are probably still better than the current (Gooch-less, Tomas-less) Kerry side even with Mark McHugh not involved. They would love to see Kerry in an AIQF, their style is exactly what has brought about the worst defeats in Kerry's recent past.
Kerry trying to figure out Donegal in 2012 was as sad a sight as you're likely to see in a match that isn't a total white-wash. Classy, Hall of Fame level footballers reduced to long, aimless high balls to Star that a 7 footer wouldn't have reached.
So the conclusion by most is Mayo are sh ite.
Now I very rarely post anything truthful but let me say this much , Mayo are shit e.
It's surely a pointless exercise typing mayos results since Horan took over, sure ye know them. SF and two finals, etc etc to prove they're not sh ite?
Ye can analyse and over analyse till the cows come home but the long and short of it is simple, there is only one team in Ireland at present capable of beating Dublin.
Don't be getting the two of us mixed up guys! When I registered here a few years ago I didn't know there was another Mayo Mick!
Was over at the hurling today and photos uploaded here if anyone fancies a look ;)
http://pix.ie/mayomick/album/492241
Quote from: larryin89 on May 31, 2014, 04:42:07 PM
So the conclusion by most is Mayo are sh ite.
Now I very rarely post anything truthful but let me say this much , Mayo are shit e.
It's surely a pointless exercise typing mayos results since Horan took over, sure ye know them. SF and two finals, etc etc to prove they're not sh ite?
Ye can analyse and over analyse till the cows come home but the long and short of it is simple, there is only one team in Ireland at present capable of beating Dublin.
If you are looking for capable sides Mayo would be in the same bracket as Tyrone,Donegal,Cork,Kerry in my opinion and its not known yet if Mayo will be at level they were last year.
Some neutral supporters will always see Mayo as the Jimmy White of GAA and even though Jimmy had a habit of losing big finals like Mayo nobody thought White was shite. Law of average would suggest Mayo should win senior All Ireland eventually however the clock is ticking on this Mayo side and the manner of the last two All Ireland final defeats has legs,minds become weary and has the boat sailed for this Mayo panel?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 31, 2014, 06:15:57 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 31, 2014, 04:42:07 PM
So the conclusion by most is Mayo are sh ite.
Now I very rarely post anything truthful but let me say this much , Mayo are shit e.
It's surely a pointless exercise typing mayos results since Horan took over, sure ye know them. SF and two finals, etc etc to prove they're not sh ite?
Ye can analyse and over analyse till the cows come home but the long and short of it is simple, there is only one team in Ireland at present capable of beating Dublin.
If you are looking for capable sides Mayo would be in the same bracket as Tyrone,Donegal,Cork,Kerry in my opinion and its not known yet if Mayo will be at level they were last year.
Some neutral supporters will always see Mayo as the Jimmy White of GAA and even though Jimmy had a habit of losing big finals like Mayo nobody thought White was shite. Law of average would suggest Mayo should win senior All Ireland eventually however the clock is ticking on this Mayo side and the manner of the last two All Ireland final defeats has legs,minds become weary and has the boat sailed for this Mayo panel?
I'd tend to disagree with you on a few things there, Donegal and Tyrone would not be teams I'd consider a threat to Dublin . Tyrone looked very ropey v down first game and down were quite frankly rubbish . Donegal seem to be getting a lot of applause for winning at Celtic park , I'd have serious reservations about Donegal , Derry were woeful at the back in second half.
It's all very early doors and we are all still unsure if truth be told.
Can dublin be beat? Yes.
Can Mayo make it back to another final? Yes
Are Kerry finished?
Are cork capable of producing 70 mins of what they served up in first half only in league semi v dubs?
Could Mayo collapse and lose to Ross through pure exhaustion ?
Everyone is sounding these questions out in their head, trying to convince herself/ himself one way or the other according to the positives of their own lot.
I'm sticking with my opinion , the only team in Ireland capable of beating Dublin is Mayo.
We will not beat the Ross though.
Quote from: larryin89 on May 31, 2014, 06:37:52 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 31, 2014, 06:15:57 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 31, 2014, 04:42:07 PM
So the conclusion by most is Mayo are sh ite.
Now I very rarely post anything truthful but let me say this much , Mayo are shit e.
It's surely a pointless exercise typing mayos results since Horan took over, sure ye know them. SF and two finals, etc etc to prove they're not sh ite?
Ye can analyse and over analyse till the cows come home but the long and short of it is simple, there is only one team in Ireland at present capable of beating Dublin.
If you are looking for capable sides Mayo would be in the same bracket as Tyrone,Donegal,Cork,Kerry in my opinion and its not known yet if Mayo will be at level they were last year.
Some neutral supporters will always see Mayo as the Jimmy White of GAA and even though Jimmy had a habit of losing big finals like Mayo nobody thought White was shite. Law of average would suggest Mayo should win senior All Ireland eventually however the clock is ticking on this Mayo side and the manner of the last two All Ireland final defeats has legs,minds become weary and has the boat sailed for this Mayo panel?
I'd tend to disagree with you on a few things there, Donegal and Tyrone would not be teams I'd consider a threat to Dublin . Tyrone looked very ropey v down first game and down were quite frankly rubbish . Donegal seem to be getting a lot of applause for winning at Celtic park , I'd have serious reservations about Donegal , Derry were woeful at the back in second half.
It's all very early doors and we are all still unsure if truth be told.
Can dublin be beat? Yes.
Can Mayo make it back to another final? Yes
Are Kerry finished?
Are cork capable of producing 70 mins of what they served up in first half only in league semi v dubs?
Could Mayo collapse and lose to Ross through pure exhaustion ?
Everyone is sounding these questions out in their head, trying to convince herself/ himself one way or the other according to the positives of their own lot.
I'm sticking with my opinion , the only team in Ireland capable of beating Dublin is Mayo.
We will not beat the Ross though.
Problem Mayo have is they dont believe in themselves, great team, great supporters but need to visit Lourdes if they think they are going to win SAM this year
Quote from: larryin89 on May 31, 2014, 06:37:52 PM
I'm sticking with my opinion , the only team in Ireland capable of beating Dublin is Mayo.
We will not beat the Ross though.
If you can't beat and beat Roscommon well you will not be capable of beating Dublin. In my opinion the only side that will be capable of beating Dublin in this years championship will be Dublin themselves.
"Problem Mayo have is they dont believe in themselves, great team, great supporters but need to visit Lourdes if they think they are going to win SAM this year"
Lourdes won't do anything as that's just a load of fictional sh ite. As for believing in themselves , I'm not sure it's the actual issue but I'm not sure what the issue is but I believe there is something missing and not the practical stuff, I still can't fathom it tbh.
I can only speak as mad as a hatter type supporter. I truly believed last year, this feeling came to me as our minors celebrated on the pitch, it was like a feeling of , this is it , holy fook we are going to win the Sam Maguire cup. I never felt it before , even in 96 albeit a lot younger , standing in the old canal end , a few points up , with 11/12 mins remaining , I remember thinking nervously , " we'll fook this up, we don't win all Ireland's " .
As supporters and pundits alike, the Ross game will tell us a lot about Mayo this year, it's a bigger challenge mentally than most are thinking . Get over it and start the steamrolling again and I'd fancy us to go all the way this year( truthfully speaking, not trolling).
We were incredible in Connacht and v Donegal last year, it was wonderful to get such satisfaction , that Donegal game will live with me forever and the displays against both Galway and Ross too. We were machine like and that team owes us nothing , it's been a fantastic period, no Sam yet and if it does end with no Sam , it will not take them memories from us, Cork in 11, Dublin 12 etc, brilliant days that will make me smile on my exit from life.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 31, 2014, 07:07:56 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 31, 2014, 06:37:52 PM
I'm sticking with my opinion , the only team in Ireland capable of beating Dublin is Mayo.
We will not beat the Ross though.
If you can't beat and beat Roscommon well you will not be capable of beating Dublin. In my opinion the only side that will be capable of beating Dublin this years championship will be Dublin themselves.
Advocating the Dont Matter Theory I see.
This thread is almost as painful as watching the second half of an All Ireland final as a Mayo fan ;D.
Like a Mayo corner forward the posts on this thread get even more clueless the longer it goes on :o.
I really hope for the health of some posting hear that they are trolls or just on a wind up. ;D
Quote from: mayo.mick on May 31, 2014, 06:07:41 PM
Don't be getting the two of us mixed up guys! When I registered here a few years ago I didn't know there was another Mayo Mick!
Was over at the hurling today and photos uploaded here if anyone fancies a look ;)
http://pix.ie/mayomick/album/492241
I'll never get you mixed up Mick as you are a real person from Mayo and not just one of the many internet faces of somebody with too much time on their hands. ;D Keep the pics coming as they are great.
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 31, 2014, 07:23:21 PM
This thread is almost as painful as watching the second half of an All Ireland final as a Mayo fan ;D.
Like a Mayo corner forward the posts on this thread get even more clueless the longer it goes on :o.
I really hope for the health of some posting hear that they are trolls or just on a wind up. ;D
As opposed to your clued in stuff?
Quote from: larryin89 on May 31, 2014, 07:26:11 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 31, 2014, 07:23:21 PM
This thread is almost as painful as watching the second half of an All Ireland final as a Mayo fan ;D.
Like a Mayo corner forward the posts on this thread get even more clueless the longer it goes on :o.
I really hope for the health of some posting hear that they are trolls or just on a wind up. ;D
As opposed to your clued in stuff?
Touche but I am at peace with my clueless brain. Part of being a Mayo GAA fan.
Whatever mate.
Quote from: larryin89 on May 31, 2014, 07:34:02 PM
Whatever mate.
Not a very manly reply as them hardy bucks from Meath would say ;)
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 31, 2014, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 31, 2014, 07:34:02 PM
Whatever mate.
Not a very manly reply as them hardy bucks from Meath would say ;)
Honestly, you're weird .
More like nonsensical randomness , "Harry bucks from Meath" I mean wtf is that all about?
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 31, 2014, 07:25:38 PM
Quote from: mayo.mick on May 31, 2014, 06:07:41 PM
Don't be getting the two of us mixed up guys! When I registered here a few years ago I didn't know there was another Mayo Mick!
Was over at the hurling today and photos uploaded here if anyone fancies a look ;)
http://pix.ie/mayomick/album/492241
I'll never get you mixed up Mick as you are a real person from Mayo and not just one of the many internet faces of somebody with too much time on their hands. ;D Keep the pics coming as they are great.
I don't see any problem with the author of this subject and I think you're being a bit unfair on the original Mayo Mick.
Mayo Mick registered on December 11, 2006, 04:48:39 PM. Whether you agree with the content of his original post or not he doesn't strike me as a windup/WUM merchant if he's been about that long.
mayo.mick has only been about since May 08, 2012, 11:20:11 AM so he could be considered the relative newcomer.
My point is both are proud Mayo men and there's no point in saying one is pretending to be something he isn't.
Quote from: thebuzz on June 01, 2014, 12:35:12 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 31, 2014, 07:25:38 PM
Quote from: mayo.mick on May 31, 2014, 06:07:41 PM
Don't be getting the two of us mixed up guys! When I registered here a few years ago I didn't know there was another Mayo Mick!
Was over at the hurling today and photos uploaded here if anyone fancies a look ;)
http://pix.ie/mayomick/album/492241
I'll never get you mixed up Mick as you are a real person from Mayo and not just one of the many internet faces of somebody with too much time on their hands. ;D Keep the pics coming as they are great.
I don't see any problem with the author of this subject and I think you're being a bit unfair on the original Mayo Mick.
Mayo Mick registered on December 11, 2006, 04:48:39 PM. Whether you agree with the content of his original post or not he doesn't strike me as a windup/WUM merchant if he's been about that long.
mayo.mick has only been about since May 08, 2012, 11:20:11 AM so he could be considered the relative newcomer.
My point is both are proud Mayo men and there's no point in saying one is pretending to be something he isn't.
Forums are full of theses type characters, firstly they try to knock you with intellectual snobbery , then they isolate you from the clique by mocking your comments as childish or gibberish with little knowledge of the game. A lot of the time these guys are just retired over weight school teachers with a ridiculously high opinion of themselves.
I would rarely take the Internet forums serious because of this type of carry on and often troll the fook out of it to mess it up for them , a spoiler if you like. Trolling can be funny when it works.
Haven't had a chance to post on this. My own opinion is last 8 at best for Mayo this year.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 01, 2014, 08:12:41 AM
Haven't had a chance to post on this. My own opinion is last 8 at best for Mayo this year.
Where did all this optimisim come from? :) :)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 01, 2014, 08:12:41 AM
Haven't had a chance to post on this. My own opinion is last 8 at best for Mayo this year.
Through winning Connacht or qualifier route?
Let's assume you think we will win the province and then for arguments sake take Dublin, Cork and Tyrone out of the equation.
Who would beat Mayo at qf stage in your opinion? Donegal /Kerry /Derry ?
Fair enough larry, I haven't studied the A or B. But if we win the province, I wouldn't like to get Monaghan in the quarters. It's their style of play I just would be very edgy. If we lose to Ros next Sunday - then it could be a very short summer. As a county, we haven't got to grips with the back-door at all.
Quote from: thebuzz on June 01, 2014, 12:35:12 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 31, 2014, 07:25:38 PM
Quote from: mayo.mick on May 31, 2014, 06:07:41 PM
Don't be getting the two of us mixed up guys! When I registered here a few years ago I didn't know there was another Mayo Mick!
Was over at the hurling today and photos uploaded here if anyone fancies a look ;)
http://pix.ie/mayomick/album/492241
I'll never get you mixed up Mick as you are a real person from Mayo and not just one of the many internet faces of somebody with too much time on their hands. ;D Keep the pics coming as they are great.
I don't see any problem with the author of this subject and I think you're being a bit unfair on the original Mayo Mick.
Mayo Mick registered on December 11, 2006, 04:48:39 PM. Whether you agree with the content of his original post or not he doesn't strike me as a windup/WUM merchant if he's been about that long.
mayo.mick has only been about since May 08, 2012, 11:20:11 AM so he could be considered the relative newcomer.
My point is both are proud Mayo men and there's no point in saying one is pretending to be something he isn't.
Yeah Buzz I see what you are saying and I'll admit I was very harsh on Mayo Mick and should have looked at the date he registered before my comment.
My sincere apologies Mayo Mick. I think I am probably suffering from Mayo fatigue a this stage waiting for the Ros game.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 01, 2014, 06:13:48 AM
Forums are full of theses type characters, firstly they try to knock you with intellectual snobbery , then they isolate you from the clique by mocking your comments as childish or gibberish with little knowledge of the game. A lot of the time these guys are just retired over weight school teachers with a ridiculously high opinion of themselves.
I would rarely take the Internet forums serious because of this type of carry on and often troll the fook out of it to mess it up for them , a spoiler if you like. Trolling can be funny when it works.
WOW!! I nearly choked on my 12th breakfeast Choc Ice which nearly knocked off the last few hairs that are left on my head :o. At least I have me summer holidays till Sept to recover from this ;D. Just to keep the theme of intellectual snobbery going here is one for you to study Larry :
"Hell goes round and round. In shape it is circular, and by nature it is interminable, repetitive, and nearly unbearable."
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 01, 2014, 02:01:44 PM
Fair enough larry, I haven't studied the A or B. But if we win the province, I wouldn't like to get Monaghan in the quarters. It's their style of play I just would be very edgy. If we lose to Ros next Sunday - then it could be a very short summer. As a county, we haven't got to grips with the back-door at all.
Yep, I'd tend to agree with you on the fear of Monaghan , they were unlucky not to book semi spot last year. McManus will be a big loss to them .
Next Sunday will tell us more about Mayo , questions about fatigue etc might not be answered in but we should have a better idea.
I was concerned over the Derry performance but was told by a chap that both Donegal and Mayo performances v Monaghan /Derry were down to training programme that week.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 01, 2014, 02:22:46 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 01, 2014, 02:01:44 PM
Fair enough larry, I haven't studied the A or B. But if we win the province, I wouldn't like to get Monaghan in the quarters. It's their style of play I just would be very edgy. If we lose to Ros next Sunday - then it could be a very short summer. As a county, we haven't got to grips with the back-door at all.
Yep, I'd tend to agree with you on the fear of Monaghan , they were unlucky not to book semi spot last year. McManus will be a big loss to them .
Next Sunday will tell us more about Mayo , questions about fatigue etc might not be answered in but we should have a better idea.
I was concerned over the Derry performance but was told by a chap that both Donegal and Mayo performances v Monaghan /Derry were down to training programme that week.
This story is floating around alright.
It is hard to know if the Dublin performance, for the first 60 mins, represents where we are fitness & football wise. Or is the Derry performance a better indicator? My guess it is easier over-train and give a poor performance in a given week, than decide to turn it on against the best team in the country, so I am going with the optimistic view.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 01, 2014, 06:13:48 AM
Quote from: thebuzz on June 01, 2014, 12:35:12 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 31, 2014, 07:25:38 PM
Quote from: mayo.mick on May 31, 2014, 06:07:41 PM
Don't be getting the two of us mixed up guys! When I registered here a few years ago I didn't know there was another Mayo Mick!
Was over at the hurling today and photos uploaded here if anyone fancies a look ;)
http://pix.ie/mayomick/album/492241
I'll never get you mixed up Mick as you are a real person from Mayo and not just one of the many internet faces of somebody with too much time on their hands. ;D Keep the pics coming as they are great.
I don't see any problem with the author of this subject and I think you're being a bit unfair on the original Mayo Mick.
Mayo Mick registered on December 11, 2006, 04:48:39 PM. Whether you agree with the content of his original post or not he doesn't strike me as a windup/WUM merchant if he's been about that long.
mayo.mick has only been about since May 08, 2012, 11:20:11 AM so he could be considered the relative newcomer.
My point is both are proud Mayo men and there's no point in saying one is pretending to be something he isn't.
Forums are full of theses type characters, firstly they try to knock you with intellectual snobbery , then they isolate you from the clique by mocking your comments as childish or gibberish with little knowledge of the game. A lot of the time these guys are just retired over weight school teachers with a ridiculously high opinion of themselves.
I would rarely take the Internet forums serious because of this type of carry on and often troll the fook out of it to mess it up for them , a spoiler if you like. Trolling can be funny when it works.
you troll the trolls and think it can be funny? Everyone to their own I suppose but you must have loads of free time for that carry on.
Anyway, back on topic. Mayo or Donegal could be the teams, but I live in hope that MH has a few more tricks up his sleeve and Tyrone can upset a big team this year.
Quote from: BartSimpson on June 02, 2014, 10:06:00 PM
Anyway, back on topic. Mayo or Donegal could be the teams, but I live in hope that MH has a few more tricks up his sleeve and Tyrone can upset a big team this year.
Both are running on some form of empty. Both are good teams. But they could get into bother against a hungrier team. Donegal don't have a squad. Mayo don't have enough forwards. Worryingly for Donegal, McFadden looks shagged. He looks tired and not the player of two years ago. We have yet to see Mayo! I can't see them repeating the hunger they showed last year and there are no new additions bar Jason Gibbons who has evolved from the bench.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 02, 2014, 10:42:22 PM
Quote from: BartSimpson on June 02, 2014, 10:06:00 PM
Anyway, back on topic. Mayo or Donegal could be the teams, but I live in hope that MH has a few more tricks up his sleeve and Tyrone can upset a big team this year.
Both are running on some form of empty. Both are good teams. But they could get into bother against a hungrier team. Donegal don't have a squad. Mayo don't have enough forwards. Worryingly for Donegal, McFadden looks shagged. He looks tired and not the player of two years ago. We have yet to see Mayo! I can't see them repeating the hunger they showed last year and there are no new additions bar Jason Gibbons who has evolved from the bench.
I think there are parallels between Donegal and Mayo as well. Both managers seem to have got hung up on certain players - McFadden being a case in Donegal. Looking at Kilcar today Michael Hegarty would still be a serious player and Eoin McHugh looks every bit as good as his cousins ( mind you I was in a minority that rated wee James as highly as his more famous and more opinionated brother).
Mayo don t have enough forwards? Well James Horan seems to think otherwise because he has dismissed the best young forwards we have produced in a generation with impunity. That means the ones he has at his disposal must be very good! Ditto the lack of development from the bench. There could hardly be development if there was nothing to develop. Parsons has returned and may well be the best quality player we have but unlikely to start any time soon. A couple of new defenders replaced a couple of lads that were just as good as them. Poor use of resources that. Keane and McHale are as good as they are going to get as well and unlikely to start in front of the big 6/7.
Quote from: BartSimpson on June 02, 2014, 10:06:00 PM
Anyway, back on topic. Mayo or Donegal could be the teams, but I live in hope that MH has a few more tricks up his sleeve and Tyrone can upset a big team this year.
From what I saw v Derry unlikely Donegal will get back to 2012 form - have not strong enough squad. Have great time for Tyrone and envy the way the handed Kerry their asses twice on AI day. However have not seen that bit of steel in the new players and they don't have the pace that we have.
See Kerry have a lot of injuries - if true my list could be down to 2!! Genuinely don't see any team coming through that will create a surprise - Cork and Monaghan have claims but hard to see either beating ourselves or Dubs.
Ar léigh éinne an spochadóir seo – ar a laghad bhí trí fhoireann ar mo líosta!!
http://www.beo.ie/alt-scoth-na-bhfoirne-ar-fad.aspx
An baoite curtha suas agus ag feithimh ar greim ó na Ciarraígh!! Is fearr an corn a thabhairt dóibh anois!!
Quote from: Mayo Mick on June 06, 2014, 10:39:41 PM
Ar léigh éinne an spochadóir seo – ar a laghad bhí trí fhoireann ar mo líosta!!
http://www.beo.ie/alt-scoth-na-bhfoirne-ar-fad.aspx
An baoite curtha suas agus ag feithimh ar greim ó na Ciarraígh!! Is fearr an corn a thabhairt dóibh anois!!
Gan dabht is foireann den scoth Áth Cliath anois. Ach an foireann is fearr riamh!
Níl mé cinnte go bhfuil siad níos fearr ná foireann na seachtóidí. Fan go fóill ::)
Dúirt Brolly anuraidh nach raibh leigheas don mhór-tinneas peile a bhí i nDún na nGall, agus stopadh go héasca iad. D'fhulaing Áth Cliath faoi bhrú na dara bliana i 2012 agus is dóigh liom go fulaingeoidh siad arís ann. An mbeidh sé sin dóthain chun stop a chur leo? Cé a fhios. Seans mhaith go mbainfidh siad an chraobh amach. Sílim féin go mbeidh Corcaigh agus Maigh Eo gar dóibh áfach, agus mar sin ní bheinn chomh muiníneach agus a bheith ag caint ar an bhfoireann peile is fearr riamh dá mbeinn i mo tacadóir Dhubh Linn!
Quote from: hardstation on June 08, 2014, 12:26:55 AM
Quote from: Ard-Rí on June 08, 2014, 12:13:17 AM
Dúirt Brolly anuraidh nach raibh leigheas don mhór-tinneas peile a bhí i nDún na nGall, agus stopadh go héasca iad. D'fhulaing Áth Cliath faoi bhrú na dara bliana i 2012 agus is dóigh liom go fulaingeoidh siad arís ann. An mbeidh sé sin dóthain chun stop a chur leo? Cé a fhios. Seans mhaith go mbainfidh siad an chraobh amach. Sílim féin go mbeidh Corcaigh agus Maigh Eo gar dóibh áfach, agus mar sin ní bheinn chomh muiníneach agus a bheith ag caint ar an bhfoireann peile is fearr riamh dá mbeinn i mo tacadóir Dhubh Linn!
Is deas sin agus aontaim leat ach:
mhór-thinneas
go bhfulaingeoidh siad arís ann
i mo thacadóir Dhubh Linn
Maith thú
Ní séimhítear d,t nó s tar éis '-'.
Ceart agat leis an méid eile.
Quote from: hardstation on June 08, 2014, 12:46:09 AM
Quote from: Ard-Rí on June 08, 2014, 12:37:28 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 08, 2014, 12:26:55 AM
Quote from: Ard-Rí on June 08, 2014, 12:13:17 AM
Dúirt Brolly anuraidh nach raibh leigheas don mhór-tinneas peile a bhí i nDún na nGall, agus stopadh go héasca iad. D'fhulaing Áth Cliath faoi bhrú na dara bliana i 2012 agus is dóigh liom go fulaingeoidh siad arís ann. An mbeidh sé sin dóthain chun stop a chur leo? Cé a fhios. Seans mhaith go mbainfidh siad an chraobh amach. Sílim féin go mbeidh Corcaigh agus Maigh Eo gar dóibh áfach, agus mar sin ní bheinn chomh muiníneach agus a bheith ag caint ar an bhfoireann peile is fearr riamh dá mbeinn i mo tacadóir Dhubh Linn!
Is deas sin agus aontaim leat ach:
mhór-thinneas
go bhfulaingeoidh siad arís ann
i mo thacadóir Dhubh Linn
Maith thú
Ní séimhítear d,t nó s tar éis '-'.
Ceart agat leis an méid eile.
Má tá sin fíór - b'fhéidir nár cheart '-' bheith ann. Tá mise cinnte 's mé ag léamh na bhfocal.
I have no idea what you are writing but I always laugh when you correct people. It is still a mystery to me why you are so good at the lingo and if you are an Irish teacher or not.
Tá fada ar an 'i' in san bhfocal aontaím.
Quote from: hardstation on June 08, 2014, 12:26:55 AM
Quote from: Ard-Rí on June 08, 2014, 12:13:17 AM
Dúirt Brolly anuraidh nach raibh leigheas don mhór-tinneas peile a bhí i nDún na nGall, agus stopadh go héasca iad. D'fhulaing Áth Cliath faoi bhrú na dara bliana i 2012 agus is dóigh liom go fulaingeoidh siad arís ann. An mbeidh sé sin dóthain chun stop a chur leo? Cé a fhios. Seans mhaith go mbainfidh siad an chraobh amach. Sílim féin go mbeidh Corcaigh agus Maigh Eo gar dóibh áfach, agus mar sin ní bheinn chomh muiníneach agus a bheith ag caint ar an bhfoireann peile is fearr riamh dá mbeinn i mo tacadóir Dhubh Linn!
Is deas sin agus aontaim leat ach:
mhór-thinneas
go bhfulaingeoidh siad arís ann
i mo thacadóir Dhubh Linn
Maith thú
Is dóigh nach mbeidh Maigh Eo chomh gar sin tar éis an taispeántas in aghaidh Ros Comáin.
Beidh na Gaillmhigh fiú ag tnúth do Mhaigh Eo a imirt anois.
Gaillimh?? Cad a tharla do Sligeach??
Cheap mé nach mbeadh aon chontae ag iarraidh peil a imirt arís nuair a chaill siad in aghaidh Londain díreach an bhliain roimhe.
Ach tá an ceart agat. Tá Connacht a mhad níos oscailte nár a cheap mé go mbeadh.
Tá sé soléir nach bhfuil an ullmhú déanta ag Mhaigheo fós ar feadh an bhliain seo.
Maybe the shortlist is now - Dublin, Baile Átha Cliath or Dubh Linn!! Can't see ourselves as meaningful challengers based on yesterday where the signs were that we are nothing like we were in 2012&13.
Blúirín feasa is measa ar fad!! Nocht do thuairim linn faoin alt HS agus ná bac leis an teagasc. ;)
Quote from: hardstation on June 09, 2014, 10:21:33 PM
Is doyha gu will chance aontach ag Aontroim Sam a winch I mlaina.
Is cuma faoi Aontroim - cad é do mheas faoin alt - http://www.beo.ie/alt-scoth-na-bhfoirne-ar-fad.aspx
Quote from: Mayo Mick on June 09, 2014, 09:53:52 PM
Maybe the shortlist is now - Dublin, Baile Átha Cliath or Dubh Linn!! Can't see ourselves as meaningful challengers based on yesterday where the signs were that we are nothing like we were in 2012&13.
Yeah, like in 2012 we beat Sligo by two points in the Hyde (and one of those points was wide). How does that performance differ from yesterday?
Quote from: hardstation on June 09, 2014, 11:09:41 PM
Ta shay amajack go lyore. Nee heelum gur fayjur gull a screeooh air a layhidge go jee go will i wad nees mo bwintje akoo. Ved shay moy go lyore da ma rud ay go row shade ag bwinch gack cleha gan trubloyge ack nee shin mar a ta air car air bee.
Neither funny or clever a mhic but an insult to the language. Slán
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 09, 2014, 11:15:07 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on June 09, 2014, 09:53:52 PM
Maybe the shortlist is now - Dublin, Baile Átha Cliath or Dubh Linn!! Can't see ourselves as meaningful challengers based on yesterday where the signs were that we are nothing like we were in 2012&13.
Yeah, like in 2012 we beat Sligo by two points in the Hyde (and one of those points was wide). How does that performance differ from yesterday?
We never looked like losing Sligo game and we were developing then. Yesterday we looked like a team in decline. More perspiration than inspiration
Quote from: hardstation on June 09, 2014, 11:09:41 PM
Ta shay amajack go lyore. Nee heelum gur fayjur gull a screeooh air a layhidge go jee go will i wad nees mo bwintje akoo. Ved shay moy go lyore da ma rud ay go row shade ag bwinch gack cleha gan trubloyge ack nee shin mar a ta air car air bee.
I know. I got foireann wrong earlier and I was eventually corrected by you . Unforgivable I know and I wont even plead a typo.
But y know how lots of people spell English wrong when they write/type and in exams students write in text and are not exacted to the same scrutiny. I know I write shite English but I am not as sensitive about doing so as when I try to write Irish. And I wont be posting in Gaeilge again any time soon.
Marks are awarded in exams even if a word is spelled wrong - its a Geography exam, not English!
There is no forgiveness in Irish though. Even though I suspect that 99.99 % of all people that spoke celtic langauges could neither read or write. Yet anybody that attempts to use the Irish language is subjected to the most exacting scrutiny. Their are many proposed reasons for the near extinction of the language. Trying to make it perfect could be considered. Most people anywhere have only a communicative grasp of their first language - not a literary or grammatical one. The likes of you Hardstation has done more damage to the language than the likes of Peig ever did ;D Gaeilge is a beautiful language but it wont survive as a living language unless it is used - however badly. Latin is a perfect language. Or was.
Quote from: moysider on June 10, 2014, 12:27:24 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 09, 2014, 11:09:41 PM
Ta shay amajack go lyore. Nee heelum gur fayjur gull a screeooh air a layhidge go jee go will i wad nees mo bwintje akoo. Ved shay moy go lyore da ma rud ay go row shade ag bwinch gack cleha gan trubloyge ack nee shin mar a ta air car air bee.
I know. I got foireann wrong earlier and I was eventually corrected by you . Unforgivable I know and I wont even plead a typo.
But y know how lots of people spell English wrong when they write/type and in exams students write in text and are not exacted to the same scrutiny. I know I write shite English but I am not as sensitive about doing so as when I try to write Irish. And I wont be posting in Gaeilge again any time soon.
Marks are awarded in exams even if a word is spelled wrong - its a Geography exam, not English!
There is no forgiveness in Irish though. Even though I suspect that 99.99 % of all people that spoke celtic langauges could neither read or write. Yet anybody that attempts to use the Irish language is subjected to the most exacting scrutiny. Their are many proposed reasons for the near extinction of the language. Trying to make it perfect could be considered. Most people anywhere have only a communicative grasp of their first language - not a literary or grammatical one. The likes of you Hardstation has done more damage to the language than the likes of Peig ever did ;D Gaeilge is a beautiful language but it wont survive as a living language unless it is used - however badly. Latin is a perfect language. Or was.
De réir mar a bhíonn se deacair, bíonn sé Gaelach! ;)
Quote from: hardstation on June 09, 2014, 11:09:41 PM
Ta shay amajack go lyore. Nee heelum gur fayjur gull a screeooh air a layhidge go jee go will i wad nees mo bwintje akoo. Ved shay moy go lyore da ma rud ay go row shade ag bwinch gack cleha gan trubloyge ack nee shin mar a ta air car air bee.
All the above makes perfect sense no matter.
except
gull which springs to faoileán too readily for Ulsters - changing to their favoured
dull but then gruama to non Ulsters.
.
As the oul song still sung says:
'Tá teangaidh mhaith a' Bhéarla
Ag de Valera
Nach dtuigfeadh aon fhocal
Dá bhfuil mé a' rá'
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 27, 2014, 06:15:04 PM
Sorry there is an error in your subject I think you accidentally included Kerry and Mayo.
;D
Well things pretty much on track as we get to the business end. Have not much time to look at this forum as the weather is too good this summer so don't know what sort of analysis is going on. Can't see any of the Ulster 3 lifting Sam and it is still between the 3 I forecast. If there is to be an upset then maybe Donegal or Monaghan could do a job on the Dubs - would not rule it out. If they were to then our own chances would increase significantly.
As for our own joust with Kerry I believe we will win. Saw enough last Sunday to show that Kerry are vulnerable and a lot of their scores last Sunday were got (as against Cork) when their players had acres of space. Don't see them getting anyone than 13/14 scores against us and provided we don't concede goals we should win by 4/5 points.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 05, 2014, 09:05:37 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 27, 2014, 06:15:04 PM
Sorry there is an error in your subject I think you accidentally included Kerry and Mayo.
;D
Well things pretty much on track as we get to the business end. Have not much time to look at this forum as the weather is too good this summer so don't know what sort of analysis is going on. Can't see any of the Ulster 3 lifting Sam and it is still between the 3 I forecast. If there is to be an upset then maybe Donegal or Monaghan could do a job on the Dubs - would not rule it out. If they were to then our own chances would increase significantly.
As for our own joust with Kerry I believe we will win. Saw enough last Sunday to show that Kerry are vulnerable and a lot of their scores last Sunday were got (as against Cork) when their players had acres of space. Don't see them getting anyone than 13/14 scores against us and provided we don't concede goals we should win by 4/5 points.
When will you Mayo lads ever learn?
Learn what? How to narrow down the AI contenders early in the year is it?
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 05, 2014, 09:41:38 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 05, 2014, 09:05:37 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 27, 2014, 06:15:04 PM
Sorry there is an error in your subject I think you accidentally included Kerry and Mayo.
;D
Well things pretty much on track as we get to the business end. Have not much time to look at this forum as the weather is too good this summer so don't know what sort of analysis is going on. Can't see any of the Ulster 3 lifting Sam and it is still between the 3 I forecast. If there is to be an upset then maybe Donegal or Monaghan could do a job on the Dubs - would not rule it out. If they were to then our own chances would increase significantly.
As for our own joust with Kerry I believe we will win. Saw enough last Sunday to show that Kerry are vulnerable and a lot of their scores last Sunday were got (as against Cork) when their players had acres of space. Don't see them getting anyone than 13/14 scores against us and provided we don't concede goals we should win by 4/5 points.
When will you Mayo lads ever learn?
In fairness, I can't see too much wrong with that analysis except that we will be happy enough if we manage to keep it to 4-5points.
Ffs Mayo Mick. Our defence conceded 2 goals v Cork. And all throughout the league too. Galway hit the bar against us. I am worried about Kerry, really worried.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 07, 2014, 03:01:30 PM
Ffs Mayo Mick. Our defence conceded 2 goals v Cork. And all throughout the league too. Galway hit the bar against us. I am worried about Kerry, really worried.
Don't worry...be happy.
This team doesn't get twitchy...neither should you.
O'Donoghue should be making Mayo fans worry, he is sheer class.
Mayo should still win.
Donegal will beat Armagh.
Dubs to beat Monaghan handy enough and will just about edge out Donegal and beat Mayo in the final.
Just my thoughts
Mick you forgot about Donegal.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 31, 2014, 05:38:33 PM
Mick you forgot about Donegal.
Don't push a man on the edge.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on August 05, 2014, 09:05:37 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 27, 2014, 06:15:04 PM
Sorry there is an error in your subject I think you accidentally included Kerry and Mayo.
;D
Well things pretty much on track as we get to the business end. Have not much time to look at this forum as the weather is too good this summer so don't know what sort of analysis is going on. Can't see any of the Ulster 3 lifting Sam and it is still between the 3 I forecast. If there is to be an upset then maybe Donegal or Monaghan could do a job on the Dubs - would not rule it out. If they were to then our own chances would increase significantly.
As for our own joust with Kerry I believe we will win. Saw enough last Sunday to show that Kerry are vulnerable and a lot of their scores last Sunday were got (as against Cork) when their players had acres of space. Don't see them getting anyone than 13/14 scores against us and provided we don't concede goals we should win by 4/5 points.
See above where I said if there was to be an upset Donegal or Monaghan could do a job on the Dubs. Not on any edge but feel we have blown another AI - should have won last Sunday.
So Kerry V one of the "also rans" it is.
If Donegal win, I look forward to the threads about splitting the county.
Any county that takes more than an hour to drive across should be split.
Quote from: PAULD123 on April 28, 2014, 10:49:21 AM
MayoMick you are fooling yourself if you rate Kerry as a top challenger.
Kerry are a fading act and have been for two years now as players retire and the others start to show their age. The final straw is the loss of Gooch. Since 2009 Kerry have lost Kieran Donaghy, Tommy Walsh, Tadgh Kenneally, Darragh O'Se, Tomas O'Se, and Paul Galvin. They have been replaced by players that are not even close to their level (Peter Crowley, David Moran, Stephen O'Brien, Kieran O'Leary, Paul Geaney, James O'Donoghue, Daithí Casey) not to mention that Tommy Griffin is 36 and Marc O'Se is 34.
You are also fooling yourself if you think Mayo's league performances should be discounted when assessing their AI chances, but one bad day at the office for Derry and you have written them off!!! You can't have it both ways.
And if your basis of judgement is that some teams peak when it comes to championship football then I notice that you have glaringly left Tyrone off you list. Didn't Tyrone beat Mayo by two clear goals this year already? Also after gifting Dublin three goals Tyrone dominated Dublin outscoring them 1-12 to 0-7 in the next 45 minutes. In fact if the referee hadn't denied Tyrone a clear last minute free kick on the 14 yard line, Dublin wouldn't be in the semi-finals at all. If there is a team that can peak for championships then it is Tyrone under Micky Harte
Took a bit of stick earlier this year when I put Kerry on a short list of 3 to win AI and a few on here sought to ridicule me. Still believe that they, ourselves and Dubs were the top 3 of 2014. We had no luck this year - if we got the breaks Kerry got then who knows?
Early prediction for 2015 - Kerry won't retain AI. Signing off now until league.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 21, 2014, 09:39:03 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on April 28, 2014, 10:49:21 AM
MayoMick you are fooling yourself if you rate Kerry as a top challenger.
Kerry are a fading act and have been for two years now as players retire and the others start to show their age. The final straw is the loss of Gooch. Since 2009 Kerry have lost Kieran Donaghy, Tommy Walsh, Tadgh Kenneally, Darragh O'Se, Tomas O'Se, and Paul Galvin. They have been replaced by players that are not even close to their level (Peter Crowley, David Moran, Stephen O'Brien, Kieran O'Leary, Paul Geaney, James O'Donoghue, Daithí Casey) not to mention that Tommy Griffin is 36 and Marc O'Se is 34.
You are also fooling yourself if you think Mayo's league performances should be discounted when assessing their AI chances, but one bad day at the office for Derry and you have written them off!!! You can't have it both ways.
And if your basis of judgement is that some teams peak when it comes to championship football then I notice that you have glaringly left Tyrone off you list. Didn't Tyrone beat Mayo by two clear goals this year already? Also after gifting Dublin three goals Tyrone dominated Dublin outscoring them 1-12 to 0-7 in the next 45 minutes. In fact if the referee hadn't denied Tyrone a clear last minute free kick on the 14 yard line, Dublin wouldn't be in the semi-finals at all. If there is a team that can peak for championships then it is Tyrone under Micky Harte
Took a bit of stick earlier this year when I put Kerry on a short list of 3 to win AI and a few on here sought to ridicule me. Still believe that they, ourselves and Dubs were the top 3 of 2014. We had no luck this year - if we got the breaks Kerry got then who knows?
Early prediction for 2015 - Kerry won't retain AI. Signing off now until league.
Fair play Mick.
I agree kerry aren't good enough to retain Sam. Dubs will be there next year I reckon.