The winner of this could be in the semis. Mayo coughed up a healthy points advantage in last few minutes v Cork but still we should be happy enough. We re not likely to be relegated after losing to a team that may well go down. Really we should be in semis already but there were reasons for the sluggish start so no worries.
With the Castlebar players available and Andy, Dillon and Chris Barrett also reported to be close we appear to be snowballing along nicely.
However I don t expect much change. Maybe Cuniffe will start but probably too soon for Barrett. The 3rd man in ff line is the only iffy one besides. A pity the obvious one is still not back in the reckoning.
Jeez Moy I know you are probably only hopping balls but you have to let the Regan thing go.The simple fact is that it is his own choice that he is not on the panel and what happened last year does not really matter anymore and we should be concentrating on the players who want to wear the red and green.Barry Moran was dropped completely off the panel a few years ago and most people thought that was the end of him but he decided to knuckle down and was a whisker from being player of the year in 2012.Same goes for Alan Freeman ,who suffered the huge disappointment of being subbed after 20 min of the final,but who seems to have come back better and stronger this year and determined not to let it happen again.Same goes for Ritchie Feeney who I expect to see back in the panel shortly.Regan is a super talent but it is usually a year or two before a new player gets used to the grind of inter county football and I hope he changes his mind and rejoins the panel sooner than later
"Have to let it go" !!!
Still doesn't hide the fact he is worthy of a place on the team sheet.
Quote from: larryin89 on March 19, 2014, 05:40:03 AM
"Have to let it go" !!!
Still doesn't hide the fact he is worthy of a place on the team sheet.
That's far from a fact Larry
Can't wait for this one. With the players coming back it could be easy to forget Carolan, tough on the lad and wish him best in his recovery.
Who's marking Cluxton?
Didn't see the Derry game but did they doing anything different re the kickout defensive strategy?
Quote from: ballinaman on March 19, 2014, 08:50:32 AM
Didn't see the Derry game but did they doing anything different re the kickout defensive strategy?
Wouldnt read too much into the Derry game. 6 point loss doesnt tell the whole story and there wasn't any tactical masterplan on Derry's part. Dubs missed 6 clear cut goal chances. Derry scored some lovely points. Alan Brogan was excellent for the Dubs, but most of the rest were probably a little below par. A goal may have given the boost necessary to go and win the game, but it didnt come.
Vins lads still not available for this. If the U21s avenge last year's defeat to Longford they won't be available either. So added to injuries and suspension, the current unavailable list is
McMahon, O'Carroll, O'Brien
McCarthy, Brennan, McCaffrey, Lowndes
Bastick
Flynn, Kilkenny Connolly, Rock,
Bernard, Mannion, McManamon, Costello
and a couple of others.
Probably a good time to be playing us, but hopefully with the extra week off 3 or 4 of those might come into the reckoning for Mayo.
Of all the League matches, I'm glad this one is away from home. No matter how many times a player has played in Croke Park, it is always good to get a competitive match there to re-familiarise one self with headquarters.
I expect Dublin to win this. Mayo have not been good on the road and I don't count the Westmeath result as Westmeath are one of the weakest Division One sides in a long time. It's been a while since we beat Dublin in the League in Croker. I don't think we have done it under Horan. That said I say once the league fixtures were announced Horan had probably set this game as a target date to be getting nearer his starting 15 as he'd be hoping players who got the chance to get over injuries over the winter and the Mitchels lads are back from Club duties.
On the Mitchels lads. Only Cunniffe looks like a fit in the team at the moment. It's hard to know where to put Feeney and Moran? Durcan has been very impressive. But do we need another half back? I suppose he should be at least called into the panel? That's the problem with doing well with a successful club. You are not available for League games for Management to have a look at you and it's nearly too late now to give him a run?
As I said I expect Dublin to win by 4 or 5 points. And goals to be the difference.
Quote from: maigheo on March 19, 2014, 02:08:32 AM
Jeez Moy I know you are probably only hopping balls but you have to let the Regan thing go.The simple fact is that it is his own choice that he is not on the panel and what happened last year does not really matter anymore and we should be concentrating on the players who want to wear the red and green.Barry Moran was dropped completely off the panel a few years ago and most people thought that was the end of him but he decided to knuckle down and was a whisker from being player of the year in 2012.Same goes for Alan Freeman ,who suffered the huge disappointment of being subbed after 20 min of the final,but who seems to have come back better and stronger this year and determined not to let it happen again.Same goes for Ritchie Feeney who I expect to see back in the panel shortly.Regan is a super talent but it is usually a year or two before a new player gets used to the grind of inter county football and I hope he changes his mind and rejoins the panel sooner than later
+1
I'd agree with you on all counts.
A brother who lives in Ballina and who is a committed supporter of the Stephenites, told me that Regan had been struggling with injuries for a good part of the season and that this could well have been the reason why he was dropped from the panel.
I know next to nothing about the young fella but it's in nobody's interests if he refuses to re-join the panel.
Obviously Freeman was annoyed at being subbed and I believe his father had some very harsh words to say about this but Horan did say afterwards that the player had a dose of the flu in the lead up to the game and he decided to replace him because he was hadn't fully recovered.
That may or may not be the real reason why he took Freeman off but I do think that Alan was not playing well before he was taken off. Only Andy and Keith were on form that day and any of the remaining three could have been substituted also.
In any event, Freeman has gotten over his disappointment and is certainly worth his place on the team right now.
I was surprised and disappointed that Richie wasn't brought in but I don't imagine that JH had any ulterior motive when he left him on the bench.
Right now, the team is shaping up very well and have put last year's disappointment behind them.
Whatever anyone may think of JH, he's still the best man to manage the side and it's obvious that the panel thinks the same way.
Yearrah stop muddying the waters Lar with all that stuff.
Nobody is saying JH is not the best man to manage the team. At least I m not.
You say you know next to nothing about some young fella and then say it s in nobody's interest if he refuses to rejoin the panel! Have you ever even seen him play?
I would suggest it is a lot of people's interest he rejoin. Anybody that cares about Mayo football anyway.
Just get the best players involved period. Do you really think that a lad that played on one leg for his county U21 team last week would refuse to be involved in the senior set up?
It doesn t take a Henry Kissinger to work this out.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 19, 2014, 10:37:03 AM
Quote from: maigheo on March 19, 2014, 02:08:32 AM
Jeez Moy I know you are probably only hopping balls but you have to let the Regan thing go.The simple fact is that it is his own choice that he is not on the panel and what happened last year does not really matter anymore and we should be concentrating on the players who want to wear the red and green.Barry Moran was dropped completely off the panel a few years ago and most people thought that was the end of him but he decided to knuckle down and was a whisker from being player of the year in 2012.Same goes for Alan Freeman ,who suffered the huge disappointment of being subbed after 20 min of the final,but who seems to have come back better and stronger this year and determined not to let it happen again.Same goes for Ritchie Feeney who I expect to see back in the panel shortly.Regan is a super talent but it is usually a year or two before a new player gets used to the grind of inter county football and I hope he changes his mind and rejoins the panel sooner than later
+1
I'd agree with you on all counts.
A brother who lives in Ballina and who is a committed supporter of the Stephenites, told me that Regan had been struggling with injuries for a good part of the season and that this could well have been the reason why he was dropped from the panel.
I know next to nothing about the young fella but it's in nobody's interests if he refuses to re-join the panel.
Obviously Freeman was annoyed at being subbed and I believe his father had some very harsh words to say about this but Horan did say afterwards that the player had a dose of the flu in the lead up to the game and he decided to replace him because he was hadn't fully recovered.
That may or may not be the real reason why he took Freeman off but I do think that Alan was not playing well before he was taken off. Only Andy and Keith were on form that day and any of the remaining three could have been substituted also.
In any event, Freeman has gotten over his disappointment and is certainly worth his place on the team right now.
I was surprised and disappointed that Richie wasn't brought in but I don't imagine that JH had any ulterior motive when he left him on the bench.
Right now, the team is shaping up very well and have put last year's disappointment behind them.
Whatever anyone may think of JH, he's still the best man to manage the side and it's obvious that the panel thinks the same way.
You still talk to him??
Quote from: moysider on March 19, 2014, 12:16:03 PM
Yearrah stop muddying the waters Lar with all that stuff.
Nobody is saying JH is not the best man to manage the team. At least I m not.
You say you know next to nothing about some young fella and then say it s in nobody's interest if he refuses to rejoin the panel! Have you ever even seen him play?
I would suggest it is a lot of people's interest he rejoin. Anybody that cares about Mayo football anyway.
Just get the best players involved period. Do you really think that a lad that played on one leg for his county U21 team last week would refuse to be involved in the senior set up?
It doesn t take a Henry Kissinger to work this out.
C'mon moy, you should know by now that I'm not trying to stir anything up.
I'm afraid you are very wide of the mark with everything you've said about me above.
I did say "it's in nobody's interest if he refuses to re-join the panel" and you retort by saying, "I would suggest it is a lot of people's interest he rejoin."
So where's the difference?
According to my concept of logic, we're both saying exactly the same thing.
If you think we're not, maybe you'd tell me why.
I mean if it' in nobody's interest if he refuses to re-join then it logically follows that it's in everyone's interest that he should.
BTW, I was at pains to say he wasn't dropped because of injury but the bro felt this could well have been the reason-that's all.
You say, "Just get the best players involved period." And here am I scratching my butt and trying to figure out where I said anything to the contrary. I cant spot it but if you can, let me know.
Am I saying that, "Do you really think that a lad that played on one leg for his county U21 team last week would refuse to be involved in the senior set up? "
Well, I am or at least I was but I'm going by what you and a few others have had to say on the subject on (very) numerous occasions in the past.
Take what maigheo had to say at the beginning of his last post, "Jeez Moy I know you are probably only hopping balls but you have to let the Regan thing go.
The simple fact is that it is his own choice that he is not on the panel."I notice you have not contradicted this.
So, will you do so now or will you accept that the bolded bit is true?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on March 19, 2014, 12:28:14 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 19, 2014, 10:37:03 AM
Quote from: maigheo on March 19, 2014, 02:08:32 AM
Jeez Moy I know you are probably only hopping balls but you have to let the Regan thing go.The simple fact is that it is his own choice that he is not on the panel and what happened last year does not really matter anymore and we should be concentrating on the players who want to wear the red and green.Barry Moran was dropped completely off the panel a few years ago and most people thought that was the end of him but he decided to knuckle down and was a whisker from being player of the year in 2012.Same goes for Alan Freeman ,who suffered the huge disappointment of being subbed after 20 min of the final,but who seems to have come back better and stronger this year and determined not to let it happen again.Same goes for Ritchie Feeney who I expect to see back in the panel shortly.Regan is a super talent but it is usually a year or two before a new player gets used to the grind of inter county football and I hope he changes his mind and rejoins the panel sooner than later
+1
I'd agree with you on all counts.
A brother who lives in Ballina and who is a committed supporter of the Stephenites, told me that Regan had been struggling with injuries for a good part of the season and that this could well have been the reason why he was dropped from the panel.
I know next to nothing about the young fella but it's in nobody's interests if he refuses to re-join the panel.
Obviously Freeman was annoyed at being subbed and I believe his father had some very harsh words to say about this but Horan did say afterwards that the player had a dose of the flu in the lead up to the game and he decided to replace him because he was hadn't fully recovered.
That may or may not be the real reason why he took Freeman off but I do think that Alan was not playing well before he was taken off. Only Andy and Keith were on form that day and any of the remaining three could have been substituted also.
In any event, Freeman has gotten over his disappointment and is certainly worth his place on the team right now.
I was surprised and disappointed that Richie wasn't brought in but I don't imagine that JH had any ulterior motive when he left him on the bench.
Right now, the team is shaping up very well and have put last year's disappointment behind them.
Whatever anyone may think of JH, he's still the best man to manage the side and it's obvious that the panel thinks the same way.
You still talk to him??
Sure do.
But I don't think he would have anything else to say on the subject.
He
thinks injury could have been the reason why Regan was dropped form the panel. Nothing more or nothing less.
Waste of breath talking to ballina men about regan as untill he plays Senior Championship football for mayo they can consider him the best player in the county and there will be no proof other wise. who know he could be the next Austin o Malley.
I would alway reckon Mark butler was the most skilful player I have seen play for Mayo and God bless him he never Played enough to prove me wrong.
but then im a Glass half full type of Guy
Quote from: rosnarun on March 19, 2014, 02:21:26 PM
Waste of breath talking to ballina men about regan as untill he plays Senior Championship football for mayo they can consider him the best player in the county and there will be no proof other wise. who know he could be the next Austin o Malley.
I would alway reckon Mark butler was the most skilful player I have seen play for Mayo and God bless him he never Played enough to prove me wrong.
but then im a Glass half full type of Guy
Well mine is only a 1/4 full and its your round.
Quote from: muppet on March 19, 2014, 02:22:46 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on March 19, 2014, 02:21:26 PM
Waste of breath talking to ballina men about regan as untill he plays Senior Championship football for mayo they can consider him the best player in the county and there will be no proof other wise. who know he could be the next Austin o Malley.
I would alway reckon Mark butler was the most skilful player I have seen play for Mayo and God bless him he never Played enough to prove me wrong.
but then im a Glass half full type of Guy
Well mine is only a 1/4 full and its your round.
Was there really a need to have a sly dig at Austie there?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 19, 2014, 02:10:17 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 19, 2014, 12:16:03 PM
Yearrah stop muddying the waters Lar with all that stuff.
Nobody is saying JH is not the best man to manage the team. At least I m not.
You say you know next to nothing about some young fella and then say it s in nobody's interest if he refuses to rejoin the panel! Have you ever even seen him play?
I would suggest it is a lot of people's interest he rejoin. Anybody that cares about Mayo football anyway.
Just get the best players involved period. Do you really think that a lad that played on one leg for his county U21 team last week would refuse to be involved in the senior set up?
It doesn t take a Henry Kissinger to work this out.
C'mon moy, you should know by now that I'm not trying to stir anything up.
I'm afraid you are very wide of the mark with everything you've said about me above.
I did say "it's in nobody's interest if he refuses to re-join the panel" and you retort by saying, "I would suggest it is a lot of people's interest he rejoin."
So where's the difference?
According to my concept of logic, we're both saying exactly the same thing.
If you think we're not, maybe you'd tell me why.
I mean if it' in nobody's interest if he refuses to re-join then it logically follows that it's in everyone's interest that he should.
BTW, I was at pains to say he wasn't dropped because of injury but the bro felt this could well have been the reason-that's all.
You say, "Just get the best players involved period." And here am I scratching my butt and trying to figure out where I said anything to the contrary. I cant spot it but if you can, let me know.
Am I saying that, "Do you really think that a lad that played on one leg for his county U21 team last week would refuse to be involved in the senior set up? "
Well, I am or at least I was but I'm going by what you and a few others have had to say on the subject on (very) numerous occasions in the past.
Take what maigheo had to say at the beginning of his last post, "Jeez Moy I know you are probably only hopping balls but you have to let the Regan thing go.The simple fact is that it is his own choice that he is not on the panel."
I notice you have not contradicted this.
So, will you do so now or will you accept that the bolded bit is true?
I interpreted that to mean that it was nobody s interest or business if he was in the panel or not.
I accept that I picked you up wrong there.
I do not accept that the bold bit is true. He was cut from the panel when he was fit and well. In fact he was flying. The Sunday before he was dropped he scored 3 goals from play and there was speculation that he was going to start next championship match. Somebody decided to teach him a lesson or something and here we are.
Unlike Rosnarun (who hates everything Ballina and would have Cafferkey cooling his heels) this is not a parochial thing. Doesn t matter to me where a lad is from as long as he can play.
Quote from: rosnarun on March 19, 2014, 02:21:26 PM
Waste of breath talking to ballina men about regan as untill he plays Senior Championship football for mayo they can consider him the best player in the county and there will be no proof other wise. who know he could be the next Austin o Malley.
I would alway reckon Mark butler was the most skilful player I have seen play for Mayo and God bless him he never Played enough to prove me wrong.
but then im a Glass half full type of Guy
Says the man who would probably argue that Liam O' Malley/ Keith Conroy/Billie Joe/Connor Moran would all deserve a starting place at no.3 ahead of Ger Caff and Fintan Ruddy is still probably better than David Clarke! ;D ;D ;D
Bring back John Healy I say , still the best keeper in Mayo bar none! ;D ;D ;D
Also since when did Austie O Malley become a Ballina man? ::) Also Evan has played senior intercounty football in the national league for Mayo in 2012 and 2013 so yes his status as our saviour is finite and reducing by the day which Horan should know!!! ::) ::)
On a serious note while I think Evan is better than at least three inside men in the squad that could feature later on in the summer I think he would find it hard if he rejoined now to put himself ahead of Cillian , Freeman , Mikey Sweeney , Andy and Jason Doc but it would still be nice to have him because there is a real chance he would make an impact in case of loss of form or injuries to any of the above. Hopefully we won't have to find this out with a bit of luck.
Quote from: moysider on March 19, 2014, 03:42:14 PM
Unlike Rosnarun (who hates everything Ballina and would have Cafferkey cooling his heels) this is not a parochial thing. Doesn t matter to me where a lad is from as long as he can play.
He doesn't seem to like men from Louisburgh either! ;)
Quote from: Crete Boom on March 19, 2014, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 19, 2014, 03:42:14 PM
Unlike Rosnarun (who hates everything Ballina and would have Cafferkey cooling his heels) this is not a parochial thing. Doesn t matter to me where a lad is from as long as he can play.
He doesn't seem to like men from Louisburgh either! ;)
Ya Ros, you need to let it go. Whatever might have happened, be it a dodgy curry chip from Tastymacs, getting kicked out of the pulse, shifting a Spanish student on fireworks night that turned out to be a Maughan from behind the font , a clip in an U14 blitz..these things happen, we're sorry.
Quote from: ballinaman on March 19, 2014, 04:41:01 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on March 19, 2014, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 19, 2014, 03:42:14 PM
Unlike Rosnarun (who hates everything Ballina and would have Cafferkey cooling his heels) this is not a parochial thing. Doesn t matter to me where a lad is from as long as he can play.
He doesn't seem to like men from Louisburgh either! ;)
Ya Ros, you need to let it go. Whatever might have happened, be it a dodgy curry chip from Tastymacs, getting kicked out of the pulse, shifting a Spanish student on fireworks night that turned out to be a Maughan from behind the font , a clip in an U14 blitz..these things happen, we're sorry.
I would say he's more from the era of Archies , Mr Chips , Caffollas , the Deanwood , Rugby Club Disco and Belleek castle. ;D
I as Ballina man Ros am not sorry by the way so quit your whinging! ;D
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Quote from: ballinaman on March 19, 2014, 04:41:01 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on March 19, 2014, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 19, 2014, 03:42:14 PM
Unlike Rosnarun (who hates everything Ballina and would have Cafferkey cooling his heels) this is not a parochial thing. Doesn t matter to me where a lad is from as long as he can play.
He doesn't seem to like men from Louisburgh either! ;)
Ya Ros, you need to let it go. Whatever might have happened, be it a dodgy curry chip from Tastymacs, getting kicked out of the pulse, shifting a Spanish student on fireworks night that turned out to be a Maughan from behind the font , a clip in an U14 blitz..these things happen, we're sorry.
I would say he's more from the era of Archies , Mr Chips , Caffollas , the Deanwood , Rugby Club Disco and Belleek castle. ;D
I as Ballina man Ros am not sorry by the way so quit your whinging! ;D
A night out in Balinyaaa would traumatise any man. Going to "the north Mayo capital" ::) ::) ::) is our personal Vietnam.
"North-Mayo Capital" always gives me a chuckle, what next, Belmullet self styling itself the North-West Mayo capital!
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Quote from: Crete Boom on March 19, 2014, 04:51:35 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on March 19, 2014, 04:41:01 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on March 19, 2014, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 19, 2014, 03:42:14 PM
Unlike Rosnarun (who hates everything Ballina and would have Cafferkey cooling his heels) this is not a parochial thing. Doesn t matter to me where a lad is from as long as he can play.
He doesn't seem to like men from Louisburgh either! ;)
Ya Ros, you need to let it go. Whatever might have happened, be it a dodgy curry chip from Tastymacs, getting kicked out of the pulse, shifting a Spanish student on fireworks night that turned out to be a Maughan from behind the font , a clip in an U14 blitz..these things happen, we're sorry.
I would say he's more from the era of Archies , Mr Chips , Caffollas , the Deanwood , Rugby Club Disco and Belleek castle. ;D
I as Ballina man Ros am not sorry by the way so quit your whinging! ;D
A night out in Balinyaaa would traumatise any man. Going to "the north Mayo capital" ::) ::) ::) is our personal Vietnam.
"North-Mayo Capital" always gives me a chuckle, what next, Belmullet self styling itself the North-West Mayo capital!
Fellas from south Mayo always make me chuckle especially when they are trying to play football ;D
Any truth in the murmurings of David Brady coming back as a FF off the bench ????
(http://www.newstalk.ie/content/000/images/000016/17149_54_news_hub_14597_656x500.jpg)
Oh the old days, I remember football before it became netball.
Quote from: muppet on March 19, 2014, 05:56:10 PM
Oh the old days, I remember football before it became netball.
Indeed clothes lines and lads getting eyes gouged out ;)
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Quote from: muppet on March 19, 2014, 05:56:10 PM
Oh the old days, I remember football before it became netball.
Indeed clothes lines and lads getting eyes gouged out ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgTQzy7VDtY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgTQzy7VDtY)
The commentary on this is brilliant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9VY7BKKCw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9VY7BKKCw)
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Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 19, 2014, 06:06:07 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 19, 2014, 05:56:10 PM
Oh the old days, I remember football before it became netball.
Indeed clothes lines and lads getting eyes gouged out ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D never gets old ...................................any vids of whelan and brady lumping each other ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgTQzy7VDtY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgTQzy7VDtY)
The commentary on this is brilliant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9VY7BKKCw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9VY7BKKCw)
David Brady quotes: http://www.joe.ie/gaa/gaa-features/mayo-v-dublin-some-of-the-very-best-david-brady-quotes/ (http://www.joe.ie/gaa/gaa-features/mayo-v-dublin-some-of-the-very-best-david-brady-quotes/)
"As a man says..."
The line David begins practically every sentence with.
"It was GAA porn yesterday without a doubt."
The quality of some games is enough to get David excited. Very excited.
"I'd wear a pink g-string if Mayo were to win the All-Ireland."
Be afraid Mayo people, be very afraid.
"Every man, woman and monkey didn't give them a chance."
Reacting to Mayo beating Cork in the 2011 Championship.
"I sought an extra ticket from the Mayo County Board last year and my letter and blank cheque were returned with the request denied!"
Apparently a previous Brady blank cheque had bounced (in case the bank ask, we're only joking).
"I've been a loser all my life but today, Hogan Stand boy, pick up the cup."
A breathless Brady after winning an All-Ireland club title with Ballina in 2005.
"Before the game, through constant reminders from John Maughan, that cheer had become a samba dance with added whooping and hollering."
Allegedly there was a big cheer in the Tyrone dressing room after they drew Mayo in the 2004 All-Ireland quarter-final, so it was used as a motivation ploy by John Maughan before a game that Mayo would go on to win.
"They've probably slept together but they've never played together (in midfield), the two O'Shea brothers."
It's obviously not as relevant this season but it was before the O'Shea siblings played in midfield together in the 2011 Championship.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 19, 2014, 05:46:08 PM
Any truth in the murmurings of David Brady coming back as a FF off the bench ????
(http://www.newstalk.ie/content/000/images/000016/17149_54_news_hub_14597_656x500.jpg)
You do realise that that picture is what happened after Whelan tried to front up to and push Brady.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 19, 2014, 06:06:07 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 19, 2014, 05:56:10 PM
Oh the old days, I remember football before it became netball.
Indeed clothes lines and lads getting eyes gouged out ;)
They ruined hurling with those helmet yokes.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 19, 2014, 06:15:45 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 19, 2014, 06:08:16 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 19, 2014, 06:06:07 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 19, 2014, 05:56:10 PM
Oh the old days, I remember football before it became netball.
Indeed clothes lines and lads getting eyes gouged out ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D never gets old ...................................any vids of whelan and brady lumping each other ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgTQzy7VDtY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgTQzy7VDtY)
The commentary on this is brilliant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9VY7BKKCw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9VY7BKKCw)
Only one man did any lamping that day buck.
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Quote from: Crete Boom on March 19, 2014, 04:51:35 PM
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Quote from: Crete Boom on March 19, 2014, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 19, 2014, 03:42:14 PM
Unlike Rosnarun (who hates everything Ballina and would have Cafferkey cooling his heels) this is not a parochial thing. Doesn t matter to me where a lad is from as long as he can play.
He doesn't seem to like men from Louisburgh either! ;)
Ya Ros, you need to let it go. Whatever might have happened, be it a dodgy curry chip from Tastymacs, getting kicked out of the pulse, shifting a Spanish student on fireworks night that turned out to be a Maughan from behind the font , a clip in an U14 blitz..these things happen, we're sorry.
I would say he's more from the era of Archies , Mr Chips , Caffollas , the Deanwood , Rugby Club Disco and Belleek castle. ;D
I as Ballina man Ros am not sorry by the way so quit your whinging! ;D
A night out in Balinyaaa would traumatise any man. Going to "the north Mayo capital" ::) ::) ::) is our personal Vietnam.
"North-Mayo Capital" always gives me a chuckle, what next, Belmullet self styling itself the North-West Mayo capital!
Reminds me of the old Bono interview. Many years ago the great one was asked if there were any places U2 would not play again?
'yes' he says ' Beirut and Ballina'
His first gig in Ballina... er...... um.... didn t go the distance ;D
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on March 19, 2014, 08:31:37 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 19, 2014, 06:15:45 PM
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Quote from: muppet on March 19, 2014, 05:56:10 PM
Oh the old days, I remember football before it became netball.
Indeed clothes lines and lads getting eyes gouged out ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D never gets old ...................................any vids of whelan and brady lumping each other ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgTQzy7VDtY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgTQzy7VDtY)
The commentary on this is brilliant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9VY7BKKCw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9VY7BKKCw)
Only one man did any lamping that day buck.
Not so sure bucko !!!!!!!!!! I think whelan gave brady his fill of it too ...............................imho both whose bark are worse than there bites
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 19, 2014, 10:26:02 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on March 19, 2014, 08:31:37 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 19, 2014, 06:15:45 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 19, 2014, 06:08:16 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 19, 2014, 06:06:07 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 19, 2014, 05:56:10 PM
Oh the old days, I remember football before it became netball.
Indeed clothes lines and lads getting eyes gouged out ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D never gets old ...................................any vids of whelan and brady lumping each other ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgTQzy7VDtY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgTQzy7VDtY)
The commentary on this is brilliant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9VY7BKKCw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9VY7BKKCw)
Only one man did any lamping that day buck.
Not so sure bucko !!!!!!!!!! I think whelan gave brady his fill of it too ...............................imho both whose bark are worse than there bites
He clothes-lined McGarrity iirc, hence Brady's meet and greet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDqczn_rhao
theatrics from brady ...............abbey actor, (and I like the guy)
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 19, 2014, 10:30:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDqczn_rhao
theatrics from brady ...............abbey actor, (and I like the guy)
Ye gotta love him but not the Ballina man we need nowadays!
Cue another round of bitchin. But no, I m not goin to let it go.
Quote from: muppet on March 19, 2014, 10:28:46 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 19, 2014, 10:26:02 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on March 19, 2014, 08:31:37 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 19, 2014, 06:15:45 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 19, 2014, 06:08:16 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 19, 2014, 06:06:07 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 19, 2014, 05:56:10 PM
Oh the old days, I remember football before it became netball.
Indeed clothes lines and lads getting eyes gouged out ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D never gets old ...................................any vids of whelan and brady lumping each other ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgTQzy7VDtY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgTQzy7VDtY)
The commentary on this is brilliant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9VY7BKKCw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9VY7BKKCw)
Only one man did any lamping that day buck.
Not so sure bucko !!!!!!!!!! I think whelan gave brady his fill of it too ...............................imho both whose bark are worse than there bites
He clothes-lined McGarrity iirc, hence Brady's meet and greet.
He thought he was in the WWF and it wasn't Pandas he was interested in.
Quote from: moysider on March 19, 2014, 03:42:14 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 19, 2014, 02:10:17 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 19, 2014, 12:16:03 PM
Yearrah stop muddying the waters Lar with all that stuff.
Nobody is saying JH is not the best man to manage the team. At least I m not.
You say you know next to nothing about some young fella and then say it s in nobody's interest if he refuses to rejoin the panel! Have you ever even seen him play?
I would suggest it is a lot of people's interest he rejoin. Anybody that cares about Mayo football anyway.
Just get the best players involved period. Do you really think that a lad that played on one leg for his county U21 team last week would refuse to be involved in the senior set up?
It doesn t take a Henry Kissinger to work this out.
C'mon moy, you should know by now that I'm not trying to stir anything up.
I'm afraid you are very wide of the mark with everything you've said about me above.
I did say "it's in nobody's interest if he refuses to re-join the panel" and you retort by saying, "I would suggest it is a lot of people's interest he rejoin."
So where's the difference?
According to my concept of logic, we're both saying exactly the same thing.
If you think we're not, maybe you'd tell me why.
I mean if it' in nobody's interest if he refuses to re-join then it logically follows that it's in everyone's interest that he should.
BTW, I was at pains to say he wasn't dropped because of injury but the bro felt this could well have been the reason-that's all.
You say, "Just get the best players involved period." And here am I scratching my butt and trying to figure out where I said anything to the contrary. I cant spot it but if you can, let me know.
Am I saying that, "Do you really think that a lad that played on one leg for his county U21 team last week would refuse to be involved in the senior set up? "
Well, I am or at least I was but I'm going by what you and a few others have had to say on the subject on (very) numerous occasions in the past.
Take what maigheo had to say at the beginning of his last post, "Jeez Moy I know you are probably only hopping balls but you have to let the Regan thing go.The simple fact is that it is his own choice that he is not on the panel."
I notice you have not contradicted this.
So, will you do so now or will you accept that the bolded bit is true?
I interpreted that to mean that it was nobody s interest or business if he was in the panel or not.
I accept that I picked you up wrong there.
I do not accept that the bold bit is true. He was cut from the panel when he was fit and well. In fact he was flying. The Sunday before he was dropped he scored 3 goals from play and there was speculation that he was going to start next championship match. Somebody decided to teach him a lesson or something and here we are.
Unlike Rosnarun (who hates everything Ballina and would have Cafferkey cooling his heels) this is not a parochial thing. Doesn t matter to me where a lad is from as long as he can play.
Fair enough moy, I know I hadn't expressed myself very well. When I went back and read what I had written again, I realised that it could be interpreted the wrong way.
My apologies, mo shean chara, I'll try to be less woolly-headed in future.(Well, I try anyway but I probably won't succeed.
But I'm still confused about the relationship between the player and the manager.
Going what I read in earlier topics it seems that Horan invited him to rejoin the panel but Evan had decided not to make himself available for selection- at least not until the U 21 season was over.
It looks as if he hasn't taken up the invitation- if, in fact, there was one in the first place.
Do you know the true story? What's stopping him re-joining the panel. Is it the manager or the player?
True enough, I never saw him play but from what I've read about his form for the U 21s, he should be given a place on the panel. God above, Mayo could do with a few good forwards at the moment.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 19, 2014, 11:19:21 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 19, 2014, 03:42:14 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 19, 2014, 02:10:17 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 19, 2014, 12:16:03 PM
Yearrah stop muddying the waters Lar with all that stuff.
Nobody is saying JH is not the best man to manage the team. At least I m not.
You say you know next to nothing about some young fella and then say it s in nobody's interest if he refuses to rejoin the panel! Have you ever even seen him play?
I would suggest it is a lot of people's interest he rejoin. Anybody that cares about Mayo football anyway.
Just get the best players involved period. Do you really think that a lad that played on one leg for his county U21 team last week would refuse to be involved in the senior set up?
It doesn t take a Henry Kissinger to work this out.
C'mon moy, you should know by now that I'm not trying to stir anything up.
I'm afraid you are very wide of the mark with everything you've said about me above.
I did say "it's in nobody's interest if he refuses to re-join the panel" and you retort by saying, "I would suggest it is a lot of people's interest he rejoin."
So where's the difference?
According to my concept of logic, we're both saying exactly the same thing.
If you think we're not, maybe you'd tell me why.
I mean if it' in nobody's interest if he refuses to re-join then it logically follows that it's in everyone's interest that he should.
BTW, I was at pains to say he wasn't dropped because of injury but the bro felt this could well have been the reason-that's all.
You say, "Just get the best players involved period." And here am I scratching my butt and trying to figure out where I said anything to the contrary. I cant spot it but if you can, let me know.
Am I saying that, "Do you really think that a lad that played on one leg for his county U21 team last week would refuse to be involved in the senior set up? "
Well, I am or at least I was but I'm going by what you and a few others have had to say on the subject on (very) numerous occasions in the past.
Take what maigheo had to say at the beginning of his last post, "Jeez Moy I know you are probably only hopping balls but you have to let the Regan thing go.The simple fact is that it is his own choice that he is not on the panel."
I notice you have not contradicted this.
So, will you do so now or will you accept that the bolded bit is true?
I interpreted that to mean that it was nobody s interest or business if he was in the panel or not.
I accept that I picked you up wrong there.
I do not accept that the bold bit is true. He was cut from the panel when he was fit and well. In fact he was flying. The Sunday before he was dropped he scored 3 goals from play and there was speculation that he was going to start next championship match. Somebody decided to teach him a lesson or something and here we are.
Unlike Rosnarun (who hates everything Ballina and would have Cafferkey cooling his heels) this is not a parochial thing. Doesn t matter to me where a lad is from as long as he can play.
Fair enough moy, I know I hadn't expressed myself very well. When I went back and read what I had written again, I realised that it could be interpreted the wrong way.
My apologies, mo shean chara, I'll try to be less woolly-headed in future.(Well, I try anyway but I probably won't succeed.
But I'm still confused about the relationship between the player and the manager.
Going what I read in earlier topics it seems that Horan invited him to rejoin the panel but Evan had decided not to make himself available for selection- at least not until the U 21 season was over.It looks as if he hasn't taken up the invitation- if, in fact, there was one in the first place.
Do you know the true story? What's stopping him re-joining the panel. Is it the manager or the player?
True enough, I never saw him play but from what I've read about his form for the U 21s, he should be given a place on the panel. God above, Mayo could do with a few good forwards at the moment.
Ná bac leis a Láir.
I dunno how this has got to this. I believe that the lad was invited with other younger lads to take part in a conditioning programme in October. Likes of young Coen, Loftus, O Shea, O Connor lets say. He declined because he d already done a lot of that stuff and anybody that has seen him lately will know he has enough done. A lot of young lads do too much, lose pace and flexibility and end up useless.
It s not like he was given a special individual invitation. Edit; I m sure the request was by text and reply likewise.
I ve seen him play twice recently. In what turned out to be an U21 team that was way undercooked. Yet he scored goals that had mammies and daddies of the other lads from south, east and west , skaking their heads and asking 'what the hell is going on'?
The thing is we are very close. And I remember the October bloodletting too many times. Willie Feeley's ladeens in 2006 and last year James Horan being grilled by a fellow clubman ( I suspected that to be a bit of a plant tbh, doin a devil's advocate) about issues arising from last years AI final.
I d prefer to ask the questions now. October should be about oktoberfest not about wondering about ifs, buts, and maybes.
Sorry for going a bit off topic here, but I was watching the Derry v Dublin game last night and can't find a game thread.
As I was watching the game I noticed that every time Alan Brogan got the ball, he took 7 steps before hopping it in between steps 7 and 8.
Now, before everyone comes in here pointing out 'sure, such and such a fella does that too", I'm sure lots of forwards do it. It seemed quite obvious with Alan, as when he got the ball the last day, he went straight to beat his man - 3 steps to get to the man, holds the man off with one hand as he's running around his outside shoulder taking a further 3-4 steps.
It happened so often it seems like a conscious effort - this is as many steps I can get away with without giving a free.
With the rules as they are now (rightly) awarding attacking play, we can see high scores throughout the league, maybe there should be a focus on the amount of steps taken. How is a defender supposed to legally tackle if the ball doesn't leave the hands any time that the forward is in striking distance?
I remember being at a training session where the coach told us we can get away with extra steps if we do it the same way Alan Brogan does. The trick is, he said, on your fourth or fifth step to start making an action to bounce the ball, but you don't need to complete it until your seventh or eighth step. Very few refs will blow. This was a few years ago and I didn't see the Derry game so I don't know if he still does it this way.
i seemed to have touched on a nerve there with a little throw away remark .
i would defend my point of view on caff, hes not a bad player but just not very good at catching Kicking or hand passing . but hes quick and sticky ill give him that.
as for Regan his great mate continues to hang him on his own evidence 'declined because he d already done a lot of that stuff'
and you can bring up my old debates with out mentioning Golden , L brady, devenny and ruane ,
and i never remember championing Conroy. the others would have been better bets at the time. WJP in particular was very badly treat by mayo
I reject any ballina bias as i had the utmost respect for Machale ,ger brady, david brady, Mcgarrity
Candles, Pearls and Archies would sum it up alright
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on March 20, 2014, 12:57:36 AM
I remember being at a training session where the coach told us we can get away with extra steps if we do it the same way Alan Brogan does. The trick is, he said, on your fourth or fifth step to start making an action to bounce the ball, but you don't need to complete it until your seventh or eighth step. Very few refs will blow. This was a few years ago and I didn't see the Derry game so I don't know if he still does it this way.
That's pretty much it. He runs to the shoulder of the man, and while holding him up with his near hand, he starts to bring the ball up to shoulder height with his other hand as if he was going to hop it but this doesn't happen (well it isn't completed) for another 4 steps.
What hope are defenders supposed to have. You need a second tackler on the ball-holding side.
I see Pat Holmes has stepped down as Castlebar manager.I guess it is all set up for him to step in when James Horan completes his final year in charge of Mayo,hopefully after annexing Sam next September.
Quote from: maigheo on March 20, 2014, 02:15:28 AM
I see Pat Holmes has stepped down as Castlebar manager.I guess it is all set up for him to step in when James Horan completes his final year in charge of Mayo,hopefully after annexing Sam next September.
My first thought on Monday after the club final was , Holmes will not get the hot seat now, his job was to figure out how to stop Connolly run riot after the first half minimum , he did nothing to address the problem.
Quote from: larryin89 on March 20, 2014, 05:37:27 AM
Quote from: maigheo on March 20, 2014, 02:15:28 AM
I see Pat Holmes has stepped down as Castlebar manager.I guess it is all set up for him to step in when James Horan completes his final year in charge of Mayo,hopefully after annexing Sam next September.
My first thought on Monday after the club final was , Holmes will not get the hot seat now, his job was to figure out how to stop Connolly run riot after the first half minimum , he did nothing to address the problem.
It might be raw for Castlebar folk but for Mayo it s probably a blessing in disguise.
Quote from: moysider on March 20, 2014, 09:38:27 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 20, 2014, 05:37:27 AM
Quote from: maigheo on March 20, 2014, 02:15:28 AM
I see Pat Holmes has stepped down as Castlebar manager.I guess it is all set up for him to step in when James Horan completes his final year in charge of Mayo,hopefully after annexing Sam next September.
My first thought on Monday after the club final was , Holmes will not get the hot seat now, his job was to figure out how to stop Connolly run riot after the first half minimum , he did nothing to address the problem.
It might be raw for Castlebar folk but for Mayo it s probably a blessing in disguise.
Why? It gives the Mitchels to make a go for it again and at the very least retain our county and Connacht titles.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 20, 2014, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: moysider on March 20, 2014, 09:38:27 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 20, 2014, 05:37:27 AM
Quote from: maigheo on March 20, 2014, 02:15:28 AM
I see Pat Holmes has stepped down as Castlebar manager.I guess it is all set up for him to step in when James Horan completes his final year in charge of Mayo,hopefully after annexing Sam next September.
My first thought on Monday after the club final was , Holmes will not get the hot seat now, his job was to figure out how to stop Connolly run riot after the first half minimum , he did nothing to address the problem.
It might be raw for Castlebar folk but for Mayo it s probably a blessing in disguise.
Why? It gives the Mitchels to make a go for it again and at the very least retain our county and Connacht titles.
Don t mind me. I was on about the manager- Mayo thing.
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on March 20, 2014, 12:49:02 AM
Sorry for going a bit off topic here, but I was watching the Derry v Dublin game last night and can't find a game thread.
As I was watching the game I noticed that every time Alan Brogan got the ball, he took 7 steps before hopping it in between steps 7 and 8.
Its funny u should spot that Deeler
Fado, fado when I first started training the senior team the Bomber told me the key his burst of speed was just that, take five steps, take three steps to actually hop the ball and then another five before you shoot, a big man like him that was half the pitch. Must be a family recipe
I remember being on the receiving end of that a few times :'(
In his younger years he d attack the kick-out and land running. The burst and hop would take him beyond the half back and then he d roof it from 25 metres. Unreal. He did it so often. Never saw anything like him before or since.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 20, 2014, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: moysider on March 20, 2014, 09:38:27 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 20, 2014, 05:37:27 AM
Quote from: maigheo on March 20, 2014, 02:15:28 AM
I see Pat Holmes has stepped down as Castlebar manager.I guess it is all set up for him to step in when James Horan completes his final year in charge of Mayo,hopefully after annexing Sam next September.
My first thought on Monday after the club final was , Holmes will not get the hot seat now, his job was to figure out how to stop Connolly run riot after the first half minimum , he did nothing to address the problem.
It might be raw for Castlebar folk but for Mayo it s probably a blessing in disguise.
Why? It gives the Mitchels to make a go for it again and at the very least retain our county and Connacht titles.
I wonder what Castlebar lads on here think of Holmes as a manager.
I never rated him highly as a player or as the Mayo manager either. Maybe others think differently.
As far as I can recall, nobody was sorry to see him go when he stepped down from that job but lots were happy to have John Maughan back again
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 20, 2014, 11:53:34 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 20, 2014, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: moysider on March 20, 2014, 09:38:27 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 20, 2014, 05:37:27 AM
Quote from: maigheo on March 20, 2014, 02:15:28 AM
I see Pat Holmes has stepped down as Castlebar manager.I guess it is all set up for him to step in when James Horan completes his final year in charge of Mayo,hopefully after annexing Sam next September.
My first thought on Monday after the club final was , Holmes will not get the hot seat now, his job was to figure out how to stop Connolly run riot after the first half minimum , he did nothing to address the problem.
It might be raw for Castlebar folk but for Mayo it s probably a blessing in disguise.
Why? It gives the Mitchels to make a go for it again and at the very least retain our county and Connacht titles.
I wonder what Castlebar lads on here think of Holmes as a manager.
I never rated him highly as a player or as the Mayo manager either. Maybe others think differently.
As far as I can recall, nobody was sorry to see him go when he stepped down from that job but lots were happy to have John Maughan back again
We did win our last senior intercounty title beating our arch-rivals/neighbours in Croke Park, not bad IMO. I'd rather have an extended run of Horan's reign though. That is not a vote against Holmes more admiration for James tenure. That said James is working with greater resources with Mayo than Mitchels. I think a Mayo defence could of contained Connelly the last day.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 20, 2014, 02:45:00 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 20, 2014, 11:53:34 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 20, 2014, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: moysider on March 20, 2014, 09:38:27 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 20, 2014, 05:37:27 AM
Quote from: maigheo on March 20, 2014, 02:15:28 AM
I see Pat Holmes has stepped down as Castlebar manager.I guess it is all set up for him to step in when James Horan completes his final year in charge of Mayo,hopefully after annexing Sam next September.
My first thought on Monday after the club final was , Holmes will not get the hot seat now, his job was to figure out how to stop Connolly run riot after the first half minimum , he did nothing to address the problem.
It might be raw for Castlebar folk but for Mayo it s probably a blessing in disguise.
Why? It gives the Mitchels to make a go for it again and at the very least retain our county and Connacht titles.
I wonder what Castlebar lads on here think of Holmes as a manager.
I never rated him highly as a player or as the Mayo manager either. Maybe others think differently.
As far as I can recall, nobody was sorry to see him go when he stepped down from that job but lots were happy to have John Maughan back again
We did win our last senior intercounty title beating our arch-rivals/neighbours in Croke Park, not bad IMO. I'd rather have an extended run of Horan's reign though. That is not a vote against Holmes more admiration for James tenure. That said James is working with greater resources with Mayo than Mitchels. I think a Mayo defence could of contained Connelly the last day.
Maybe this is a very simplistic view, but i can't understand why Mitchells did not try and frustrate Connolly for the first 10-15 minutes of the game, Connolly either shoots the lights out or gets frustrated and everything goes to shit for him....I cant imagine Brigids, Cross or Crokes giving him free reign like that....is it another case of "nice" Mayo, letting another one go....
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on March 20, 2014, 02:54:03 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 20, 2014, 02:45:00 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 20, 2014, 11:53:34 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 20, 2014, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: moysider on March 20, 2014, 09:38:27 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 20, 2014, 05:37:27 AM
Quote from: maigheo on March 20, 2014, 02:15:28 AM
I see Pat Holmes has stepped down as Castlebar manager.I guess it is all set up for him to step in when James Horan completes his final year in charge of Mayo,hopefully after annexing Sam next September.
My first thought on Monday after the club final was , Holmes will not get the hot seat now, his job was to figure out how to stop Connolly run riot after the first half minimum , he did nothing to address the problem.
It might be raw for Castlebar folk but for Mayo it s probably a blessing in disguise.
Why? It gives the Mitchels to make a go for it again and at the very least retain our county and Connacht titles.
I wonder what Castlebar lads on here think of Holmes as a manager.
I never rated him highly as a player or as the Mayo manager either. Maybe others think differently.
As far as I can recall, nobody was sorry to see him go when he stepped down from that job but lots were happy to have John Maughan back again
We did win our last senior intercounty title beating our arch-rivals/neighbours in Croke Park, not bad IMO. I'd rather have an extended run of Horan's reign though. That is not a vote against Holmes more admiration for James tenure. That said James is working with greater resources with Mayo than Mitchels. I think a Mayo defence could of contained Connelly the last day.
Maybe this is a very simplistic view, but i can't understand why Mitchells did not try and frustrate Connolly for the first 10-15 minutes of the game, Connolly either shoots the lights out or gets frustrated and everything goes to shit for him....I cant imagine Brigids, Cross or Crokes giving him free reign like that....is it another case of "nice" Mayo, letting another one go....
"Nice Mayo", did you miss the entire Richie black card debate. What frustrated me was how long we played with Big Barry up front when he always had 2-3 men around him.
That wasnt a case of "nice" or "not nice Mayo", that was just stupidity and deserved a black card........my point exactly, you mentioned Barry Moran surrounded by 2-3, How many surrounded Connolly..........
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 20, 2014, 11:53:34 AM
I wonder what Castlebar lads on here think of Holmes as a manager.
I never rated him highly as a player or as the Mayo manager either. Maybe others think differently.
As far as I can recall, nobody was sorry to see him go when he stepped down from that job but lots were happy to have John Maughan back again
Pat Holmes is still the last Mayo senior manager to have won national title, he was also joint manager of the Mayo 2006 U-21 All Ireland winning team. His last two senior games was defeats to Roscommon,Westmeath its not hard to see why Mayo supporters weren't sorry to see him go. I don't understand the lovefest Mayo supporters had for John Maughan. Any tactically astute manager would have won Mayo All Ireland in 1996 or 97 IMO.
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on March 20, 2014, 12:49:02 AM
Sorry for going a bit off topic here, but I was watching the Derry v Dublin game last night and can't find a game thread.
As I was watching the game I noticed that every time Alan Brogan got the ball, he took 7 steps before hopping it in between steps 7 and 8.
Now, before everyone comes in here pointing out 'sure, such and such a fella does that too", I'm sure lots of forwards do it. It seemed quite obvious with Alan, as when he got the ball the last day, he went straight to beat his man - 3 steps to get to the man, holds the man off with one hand as he's running around his outside shoulder taking a further 3-4 steps.
It happened so often it seems like a conscious effort - this is as many steps I can get away with without giving a free.
With the rules as they are now (rightly) awarding attacking play, we can see high scores throughout the league, maybe there should be a focus on the amount of steps taken. How is a defender supposed to legally tackle if the ball doesn't leave the hands any time that the forward is in striking distance?
It's called the psychological bounce, Colm O'Rourke and John O'Driscoll used to do it all the time 4 steps into the tackle and 4 steps out. The break in the players run means the Referee sees it psychologically as a bounce or Solo and does not see the travelling infringement. Allot of goals are scored by travelling with the ball as with the excitement of the forward bearing down on goal the referee rarely counts steps.
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 20, 2014, 11:53:34 AM
I wonder what Castlebar lads on here think of Holmes as a manager.
I never rated him highly as a player or as the Mayo manager either. Maybe others think differently.
As far as I can recall, nobody was sorry to see him go when he stepped down from that job but lots were happy to have John Maughan back again
Pat Holmes is still the last Mayo senior manager to have won national title, he was also joint manager of the Mayo 2006 U-21 All Ireland winning team. His last two senior games was defeats to Roscommon,Westmeath its not hard to see why Mayo supporters weren't sorry to see him go. I don't understand the lovefest Mayo supporters had for John Maughan. Any tactically astute manager would have won Mayo All Ireland in 1996 or 97 IMO.
To be fair he has a lovely tan. Pateen looks like he hasn't seen the sun since 1994.
Holmes is a quaility manager and has proven it at just about every level over the last 15 years. If he had any interest in senior county management there are lots of counties where he'd be an immediate improvement.
Himself and Noel Connelly (his Mayo U21 co-manager) would make a good ticket for just about any county.
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 20, 2014, 11:53:34 AM
I wonder what Castlebar lads on here think of Holmes as a manager.
I never rated him highly as a player or as the Mayo manager either. Maybe others think differently.
As far as I can recall, nobody was sorry to see him go when he stepped down from that job but lots were happy to have John Maughan back again
Pat Holmes is still the last Mayo senior manager to have won national title, he was also joint manager of the Mayo 2006 U-21 All Ireland winning team. His last two senior games was defeats to Roscommon,Westmeath its not hard to see why Mayo supporters weren't sorry to see him go. I don't understand the lovefest Mayo supporters had for John Maughan. Any tactically astute manager would have won Mayo All Ireland in 1996 or 97 IMO.
I never knew it existed.
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Holmes is a quaility manager and has proven it at just about every level over the last 15 years. If he had any interest in senior county management there are lots of counties where he'd be an immediate improvement.
Himself and Noel Connelly (his Mayo U21 co-manager) would make a good ticket for just about any county.
Jasus SyfÃn you're some winder upper.
Quote from: Syferus on March 20, 2014, 08:06:45 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 20, 2014, 07:27:16 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 20, 2014, 11:53:34 AM
I wonder what Castlebar lads on here think of Holmes as a manager.
I never rated him highly as a player or as the Mayo manager either. Maybe others think differently.
As far as I can recall, nobody was sorry to see him go when he stepped down from that job but lots were happy to have John Maughan back again
Pat Holmes is still the last Mayo senior manager to have won national title, he was also joint manager of the Mayo 2006 U-21 All Ireland winning team. His last two senior games was defeats to Roscommon,Westmeath its not hard to see why Mayo supporters weren't sorry to see him go. I don't understand the lovefest Mayo supporters had for John Maughan. Any tactically astute manager would have won Mayo All Ireland in 1996 or 97 IMO.
To be fair he has a lovely tan. Pateen looks like he hasn't seen the sun since 1994.
Holmes is a quaility manager and has proven it at just about every level over the last 15 years. If he had any interest in senior county management there are lots of counties where he'd be an immediate improvement.
Himself and Noel Connelly (his Mayo U21 co-manager) would make a good ticket for just about any county.
I don t think so SyfÃn. Those League and U21 wins are of little significance. With a team that could win a league title he failed to win a Connacht title in 4 attempts 2000 - 2003. The much maligned Sir John managed to sandwich him with wins in 1999 and 2004. He managed to lose championship matches to Sligo and Roscommon in Connacht and a play-off to Westmeath.
It d be like taking back an old girlfriend SyfÃn. One that ye didn t really like anyway and we all know there s not much joy in that ::) :'( We took back Johnno and look how that ended.
QuoteI dunno how this has got to this. I believe that the lad was invited with other younger lads to take part in a conditioning programme in October. Likes of young Coen, Loftus, O Shea, O Connor lets say. He declined because he d already done a lot of that stuff and anybody that has seen him lately will know he has enough done. A lot of young lads do too much, lose pace and flexibility and end up useless
It s not like he was given a special individual invitation. Edit; I m sure the request was by text and reply likewise.
I ve seen him play twice recently. In what turned out to be an U21 team that was way undercooked. Yet he scored goals that had mammies and daddies of the other lads from south, east and west , skaking their heads and asking 'what the hell is going on'?
The thing is we are very close. And I remember the October bloodletting too many times. Willie Feeley's ladeens in 2006 and last year James Horan being grilled by a fellow clubman ( I suspected that to be a bit of a plant tbh, doin a devil's advocate) about issues arising from last years AI final.
I d prefer to ask the questions now. October should be about oktoberfest not about wondering about ifs, buts, and maybes.
We'll finally Moy your spitting it out. After months of innuendo and suggestions that wonder boy was hard done by and a victim of some conspiracy finally your letting the mask slip. The bit in bold above tells you everything you need to know about this situation. He decided he'd already done enough of this stuff. Ah sure that's fine Evan come back in April or whenever suits and we'll take it from their. Sure what would them fancy ass trainers that have been watching this kid a couple of nights a week know.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 20, 2014, 02:45:00 PM
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I see Pat Holmes has stepped down as Castlebar manager.I guess it is all set up for him to step in when James Horan completes his final year in charge of Mayo,hopefully after annexing Sam next September.
My first thought on Monday after the club final was , Holmes will not get the hot seat now, his job was to figure out how to stop Connolly run riot after the first half minimum , he did nothing to address the problem.
It might be raw for Castlebar folk but for Mayo it s probably a blessing in disguise.
Why? It gives the Mitchels to make a go for it again and at the very least retain our county and Connacht titles.
I wonder what Castlebar lads on here think of Holmes as a manager.
I never rated him highly as a player or as the Mayo manager either. Maybe others think differently.
As far as I can recall, nobody was sorry to see him go when he stepped down from that job but lots were happy to have John Maughan back again
We did win our last senior intercounty title beating our arch-rivals/neighbours in Croke Park, not bad IMO. I'd rather have an extended run of Horan's reign though. That is not a vote against Holmes more admiration for James tenure. That said James is working with greater resources with Mayo than Mitchels. I think a Mayo defence could of contained Connelly the last day.
I've no doubt that they would.
Okay, Mitchels hadn't a crack intercounty defence but Connolly didn't have his Dublin team mates with him either. If he is not let build up a head of steam early on, he tends to get frustrated and drifts in and out of the game.
Tom Cunniffe or Richie were tailor-made for the job.
Instead, Tom, the fastest man on the field, was marking Mossy Quinn, whose best days are behind him- to put it mildly.
Even with their most influential player sent off and with Connolly able to run riot, Castlebar were still getting more scores than the Vins. The HT score was 0-9 to 2-3 i.e. nine scores to five and Connolly had set up both goals.
He was keeping Vincents in the game and you just knew that sooner or later, the Mitchels would buckle. They just couldn't keep up the pace.
Anyway, the Vins were worthy winners. It wasn't their fault that Pat Holmes was in charge of Castlebar. ;D
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 20, 2014, 11:53:34 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 20, 2014, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: moysider on March 20, 2014, 09:38:27 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 20, 2014, 05:37:27 AM
Quote from: maigheo on March 20, 2014, 02:15:28 AM
I see Pat Holmes has stepped down as Castlebar manager.I guess it is all set up for him to step in when James Horan completes his final year in charge of Mayo,hopefully after annexing Sam next September.
My first thought on Monday after the club final was , Holmes will not get the hot seat now, his job was to figure out how to stop Connolly run riot after the first half minimum , he did nothing to address the problem.
It might be raw for Castlebar folk but for Mayo it s probably a blessing in disguise.
Why? It gives the Mitchels to make a go for it again and at the very least retain our county and Connacht titles.
I wonder what Castlebar lads on here think of Holmes as a manager.
I never rated him highly as a player or as the Mayo manager either. Maybe others think differently.
As far as I can recall, nobody was sorry to see him go when he stepped down from that job but lots were happy to have John Maughan back again
We did win our last senior intercounty title beating our arch-rivals/neighbours in Croke Park, not bad IMO. I'd rather have an extended run of Horan's reign though. That is not a vote against Holmes more admiration for James tenure. That said James is working with greater resources with Mayo than Mitchels. I think a Mayo defence could of contained Connelly the last day.
I've no doubt that they would.
Okay, Mitchels hadn't a crack intercounty defence but Connolly didn't have his Dublin team mates with him either. If he is not let build up a head of steam early on, he tends to get frustrated and drifts in and out of the game.
Tom Cunniffe or Richie were tailor-made for the job.
Instead, Tom, the fastest man on the field, was marking Mossy Quinn, whose best days are behind him- to put it mildly.
Even with their most influential player sent off and with Connolly able to run riot, Castlebar were still getting more scores than the Vins. The HT score was 0-9 to 2-3 i.e. nine scores to five and Connolly had set up both goals.
He was keeping Vincents in the game and you just knew that sooner or later, the Mitchels would buckle. They just couldn't keep up the pace.
Anyway, the Vins were worthy winners. It wasn't their fault that Pat Holmes was in charge of Castlebar. ;D
The Tanned One would have dealt with the seductive Dublin forward.
Quote from: criostlinn on March 20, 2014, 09:54:02 PM
QuoteI dunno how this has got to this. I believe that the lad was invited with other younger lads to take part in a conditioning programme in October. Likes of young Coen, Loftus, O Shea, O Connor lets say. He declined because he d already done a lot of that stuff and anybody that has seen him lately will know he has enough done. A lot of young lads do too much, lose pace and flexibility and end up useless
It s not like he was given a special individual invitation. Edit; I m sure the request was by text and reply likewise.
I ve seen him play twice recently. In what turned out to be an U21 team that was way undercooked. Yet he scored goals that had mammies and daddies of the other lads from south, east and west , skaking their heads and asking 'what the hell is going on'?
The thing is we are very close. And I remember the October bloodletting too many times. Willie Feeley's ladeens in 2006 and last year James Horan being grilled by a fellow clubman ( I suspected that to be a bit of a plant tbh, doin a devil's advocate) about issues arising from last years AI final.
I d prefer to ask the questions now. October should be about oktoberfest not about wondering about ifs, buts, and maybes.
We'll finally Moy your spitting it out. After months of innuendo and suggestions that wonder boy was hard done by and a victim of some conspiracy finally your letting the mask slip. The bit in bold above tells you everything you need to know about this situation. He decided he'd already done enough of this stuff. Ah sure that's fine Evan come back in April or whenever suits and we'll take it from their. Sure what would them fancy ass trainers that have been watching this kid a couple of nights a week know.
Nah, I dont think so. And there is no doubt that he was hard done by last summer. But I also believe he should have rejoined the set-up when requested to do so but he didn t. 20 year olds don t always do the smart thing. The thing is he s probably worked as hard as anybody on the panel since and had serious spring form. But it looks like it s over for him.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 20, 2014, 10:21:32 PM
Even with their most influential player sent off and with Connolly able to run riot, Castlebar were still getting more scores than the Vins. The HT score was 0-9 to 2-3 i.e. nine scores to five and Connolly had set up both goals.
In fairness St Vincents were wasteful and the Castlebar goalkeeper was keeping his side in the game.
Quote from: moysider on March 20, 2014, 11:10:15 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on March 20, 2014, 09:54:02 PM
QuoteI dunno how this has got to this. I believe that the lad was invited with other younger lads to take part in a conditioning programme in October. Likes of young Coen, Loftus, O Shea, O Connor lets say. He declined because he d already done a lot of that stuff and anybody that has seen him lately will know he has enough done. A lot of young lads do too much, lose pace and flexibility and end up useless
It s not like he was given a special individual invitation. Edit; I m sure the request was by text and reply likewise.
I ve seen him play twice recently. In what turned out to be an U21 team that was way undercooked. Yet he scored goals that had mammies and daddies of the other lads from south, east and west , skaking their heads and asking 'what the hell is going on'?
The thing is we are very close. And I remember the October bloodletting too many times. Willie Feeley's ladeens in 2006 and last year James Horan being grilled by a fellow clubman ( I suspected that to be a bit of a plant tbh, doin a devil's advocate) about issues arising from last years AI final.
I d prefer to ask the questions now. October should be about oktoberfest not about wondering about ifs, buts, and maybes.
We'll finally Moy your spitting it out. After months of innuendo and suggestions that wonder boy was hard done by and a victim of some conspiracy finally your letting the mask slip. The bit in bold above tells you everything you need to know about this situation. He decided he'd already done enough of this stuff. Ah sure that's fine Evan come back in April or whenever suits and we'll take it from their. Sure what would them fancy ass trainers that have been watching this kid a couple of nights a week know.
Nah, I dont think so. And there is no doubt that he was hard done by last summer. But I also believe he should have rejoined the set-up when requested to do so but he didn t. 20 year olds don t always do the smart thing. The thing is he s probably worked as hard as anybody on the panel since and had serious spring form. But it looks like it s over for him.
Moysider. I agree wholeheartedly with this post, after finding myself disagreeing with the tone, if not the content, of your posts on this whole sorry saga to date.
Although I appreciate that I am far removed from the situation and you are more involved (for want of a better word) and I understand that your passion stems from the want to have the best team possible, the underlined bit above is the crux of it for me.
I don't agree this is the end for him, it sounds like he is too stubborn to come back, but if he gets over this, I believe Horan (or another manager) would allow him to try out for the squad next year.
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Quote from: moysider on March 20, 2014, 11:10:15 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on March 20, 2014, 09:54:02 PM
QuoteI dunno how this has got to this. I believe that the lad was invited with other younger lads to take part in a conditioning programme in October. Likes of young Coen, Loftus, O Shea, O Connor lets say. He declined because he d already done a lot of that stuff and anybody that has seen him lately will know he has enough done. A lot of young lads do too much, lose pace and flexibility and end up useless
It s not like he was given a special individual invitation. Edit; I m sure the request was by text and reply likewise.
I ve seen him play twice recently. In what turned out to be an U21 team that was way undercooked. Yet he scored goals that had mammies and daddies of the other lads from south, east and west , skaking their heads and asking 'what the hell is going on'?
The thing is we are very close. And I remember the October bloodletting too many times. Willie Feeley's ladeens in 2006 and last year James Horan being grilled by a fellow clubman ( I suspected that to be a bit of a plant tbh, doin a devil's advocate) about issues arising from last years AI final.
I d prefer to ask the questions now. October should be about oktoberfest not about wondering about ifs, buts, and maybes.
We'll finally Moy your spitting it out. After months of innuendo and suggestions that wonder boy was hard done by and a victim of some conspiracy finally your letting the mask slip. The bit in bold above tells you everything you need to know about this situation. He decided he'd already done enough of this stuff. Ah sure that's fine Evan come back in April or whenever suits and we'll take it from their. Sure what would them fancy ass trainers that have been watching this kid a couple of nights a week know.
Nah, I dont think so. And there is no doubt that he was hard done by last summer. But I also believe he should have rejoined the set-up when requested to do so but he didn t. 20 year olds don t always do the smart thing. The thing is he s probably worked as hard as anybody on the panel since and had serious spring form. But it looks like it s over for him.
Moysider. I agree wholeheartedly with this post, after finding myself disagreeing with the tone, if not the content, of your posts on this whole sorry saga to date.
Although I appreciate that I am far removed from the situation and you are more involved (for want of a better word) and I understand that your passion stems from the want to have the best team possible, the underlined bit above is the crux of it for me.
I don't agree this is the end for him, it sounds like he is too stubborn to come back, but if he gets over this, I believe Horan (or another manager) would allow him to try out for the squad next year.
Next year things might be an awful lot different.We might not be challenging for the big one like were all hoping/expecting this year.I think we all agree were well covered from 1 to 9.Things seem to be taking shape in the forwards but id imagine theres still a corner forward spot up for grabs.We can win sam with the forwards we have but i believe our chances improve greatly if Regan is on board.Regan was treated badly last summer but he should have rejoined the panel when asked he wont get anywhere by sulking. its a lose lose situation for Regan himself and for the Mayo team and supporters.
Good to see you cleared that up Moysider and it is such a pity that Regan did not join the panel this year as natural corner forwards are not exactly falling off trees here in Mayo and it may turn out to be one of the great regrets of his sporting life if things work out well on the 4th sundaay in september for this current team.I suppose it will be up to Pat Holmes to entice him back to the panel next year :) :) :) :)
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Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 20, 2014, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: moysider on March 20, 2014, 09:38:27 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 20, 2014, 05:37:27 AM
Quote from: maigheo on March 20, 2014, 02:15:28 AM
I see Pat Holmes has stepped down as Castlebar manager.I guess it is all set up for him to step in when James Horan completes his final year in charge of Mayo,hopefully after annexing Sam next September.
My first thought on Monday after the club final was , Holmes will not get the hot seat now, his job was to figure out how to stop Connolly run riot after the first half minimum , he did nothing to address the problem.
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It might be raw for Castlebar folk but for Mayo it s probably a blessing in disguise.
Why? It gives the Mitchels to make a go for it again and at the very least retain our county and Connacht titles.
I wonder what Castlebar lads on here think of Holmes as a manager.
I never rated him highly as a player or as the Mayo manager either. Maybe others think differently.
As far as I can recall, nobody was sorry to see him go when he stepped down from that job but lots were happy to have John Maughan back again
we're like dogs chasing cars-before the first one has passed,we're on to the next one that moves.
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 20, 2014, 10:21:32 PM
Even with their most influential player sent off and with Connolly able to run riot, Castlebar were still getting more scores than the Vins. The HT score was 0-9 to 2-3 i.e. nine scores to five and Connolly had set up both goals.
In fairness St Vincents were wasteful and the Castlebar goalkeeper was keeping his side in the game.
You're right on both counts but they are two of the reasons that the Vins were finding it harder to score than Castlebar.
BTW, I seem to be the only one who thought the overall standard of play was dire.
Both teams engaged in pointless flooting about, hand passing from one player to the next with both passer and receiver standing still. The fella getting the pass then looked about for someone to take the ball from him and no one was prepared to show for the ball or to start to run into position.
I counted a sequence of 12 passes in one Castlebar attack where the lad who gave the first pass wound up getting the last one without moving any closer to goal.
As often as not, the "attack" broke down and resulted in a turnover with the ball being hoofed down the field so the other side could start doing the same thing. l know that's over-simplifying things but I don't think it's not too far off the mark.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 21, 2014, 03:59:14 PM
BTW, I seem to be the only one who thought the overall standard of play was dire.
Hope you're not too upset but I agree with you for one.
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 21, 2014, 03:59:14 PM
BTW, I seem to be the only one who thought the overall standard of play was dire.
Hope you're not too upset but I agree with you for one.
Normal standard for club football. TBH i thought it was decent AI final, better one last year though.
Good article on Philly McMahon http://t.co/ka4QoF0lMV
Quote from: Hound on March 19, 2014, 09:32:12 AM
The current unavailable list is
McMahon, O'Carroll, O'Brien
McCarthy, Brennan, McCaffrey, Lowndes
Bastick
Flynn, Kilkenny, Connolly, Rock,
Bernard, Mannion, McManamon, Costello
and a couple of others.
Update on Dublin player availability:
Cian O'Sullivan added to injury list,
O'Carroll, McManamon, McCarthy removed from it.
I can't see us winning this one. However I can't see Dublin running away with it either. Just feel that they have too much pace for our lads.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 24, 2014, 04:23:07 PM
I can't see us winning this one. However I can't see Dublin running away with it either. Just feel that they have too much pace for our lads.
I agree with you on this one Farr , I just think we seem to be shipping too many sloppy goals and this will cost us on Sat night. If we could keep the Dubs forwards to one goal we might sneak home but I can't see this happening.
I d be reasonably optimistic.
We have serious pace in team as well.
We have scored more goals than any other team. And created a lorry load of chances we didn t take. True, we ve also conceded more goals than anybody else though ??? But against Cork we appeared to have tightened up considerably until our shape and concentration went towards the end.
I expect we won t be making many changes for this. A Barrett or a Cuniffe should make us sounder at the back. Other than that the team that started against Cork looks likely with maybe Andy back in if fit again.
According to mayogaablog Barrett and Cunniffe will be available, so will they 'automatically slot' back into the team instead of McHale and Harrison? Would you put them there? Would you try McHale and Harrison for this match to see if they're good enough and can cut it? I think McHale is slow, but he uses the ball well. Harrison I like, he's not a fullback though as we found out the last day! I may be biased, but I'd leave McHale and Harrison on for this one.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 26, 2014, 06:17:35 PM
According to mayogaablog Barrett and Cunniffe will be available, so will they 'automatically slot' back into the team instead of McHale and Harrison? Would you put them there? Would you try McHale and Harrison for this match to see if they're good enough and can cut it? I think McHale is slow, but he uses the ball well. Harrison I like, he's not a fullback though as we found out the last day! I may be biased, but I'd leave McHale and Harrison on for this one.
Is Keith Rodgers still on the panel, Farr? Still it a bit bizarre that with all of the problems Mayo have had in the full back line of the few natural CBs on yer panel hasn't got a look in.
I have to call it as I see it.
Mayo are in the driving seat for Saturday. The Dubs have so many players unavailable through injury, suspension and U21 commitments that they are likely to struggle. A Mayo win is the most likely outcome.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on March 26, 2014, 07:17:29 PM
I have to call it as I see it.
Mayo are in the driving seat for Saturday. The Dubs have so many players unavailable through injury, suspension and U21 commitments that they are likely to struggle. A Mayo win is the most likely outcome.
Would have to agree. Mayo close to full strength while the Dubs far from it. Mayo by a point or two.
Quote from: Syferus on March 26, 2014, 06:21:57 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 26, 2014, 06:17:35 PM
According to mayogaablog Barrett and Cunniffe will be available, so will they 'automatically slot' back into the team instead of McHale and Harrison? Would you put them there? Would you try McHale and Harrison for this match to see if they're good enough and can cut it? I think McHale is slow, but he uses the ball well. Harrison I like, he's not a fullback though as we found out the last day! I may be biased, but I'd leave McHale and Harrison on for this one.
Is Keith Rodgers still on the panel, Farr? Still it a bit bizarre that with all of the problems Mayo have had in the full back line of the few natural CBs on yer panel hasn't got a look in.
He played in the FBD Syferus and looked good (well as good as you can look in the FBD) but I haven't seen him since. I hope he is still involved as he is good solid corner man in my view. Maybe it's the fact he hasn't been heavily involved like McHale/Harrison/Keane over the last 3 years and Horan feels he hasn't served his time yet. If it was me I would have given him a least a couple of league games ,probably the first two instead of Keane , to see what he is like at this level.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 26, 2014, 06:17:35 PM
According to mayogaablog Barrett and Cunniffe will be available, so will they 'automatically slot' back into the team instead of McHale and Harrison? Would you put them there? Would you try McHale and Harrison for this match to see if they're good enough and can cut it? I think McHale is slow, but he uses the ball well. Harrison I like, he's not a fullback though as we found out the last day! I may be biased, but I'd leave McHale and Harrison on for this one.
Cunniffe maybe but Barrett out so long he ll probably be eased back with 15/20 mins.
Harrisson is a talent but still learning as a cb. Horan did not trust either McHale or Keane last September and it is hard to see anything changing there this year if we advance to the later stages. The lack of time for Rogers is puzzling unless he has picked up an injury. Either that or they don t rate him because Harrisson is a wing back.
Anyway here's Liam McHale's tuppence worth about a few things from the Mayo News.
"To play against Dublin's midfield of Cian O'Sullivan and Michael Darragh MacAuley you need athleticism," he reflected. "You need mobility to defend against Stephen Cluxton's kick-outs.
"You need your wing-backs pushing up to fill the space on the flanks, and you need to be pushing Dublin players into the middle if they get possession.
"When you're defending against teams like Dublin or Cork or Kerry or Tyrone, and coming up against goalkeepers with really accurate kick-outs, you need mobile midfielders."
McHale, who has been watching Mayo closely during this league campaign, also has some interesting observations on the main contenders for the number 8 and 9 jerseys.
Jason Gibbons
"HE was man of the match for a lot of people against Cork and I thought against Kildare he made a big difference when he came on. He moved the ball quickly.
"He took frees quickly, he didn't take the ball into the tackle.
"And that made a big difference in terms of the service that the forwardline were getting. There was more fluency.
"It's very important that he gets his chance. He's got lots of energy, he seems to understand his role, he works his socks off, and he knows his limitations too.
"He reminds me of Pat Fallon, or Seamus Scanlon from Kerry. From what I've seen of him he has no airs or graces, he just wants to go out and do his job."
Aidan O'Shea
"I THINK with the black card Aidan would be a serious threat at full-forward. If he got early ball, got turned, and running at his man he could cause havoc for a defence.
"I think it doesn't suit Mayo to have Aidan in the middle of the field against teams like Tyrone, Dublin or Kerry in big games.
"He's expending too much energy by bringing the ball into tackles. He needs to move the ball much quicker, take less hits, and run into the pocket more without the ball.
"All those hits that he takes are affecting his ability to defend because they're taking too much out of him."
Seamus O'Shea
"HE was outstanding last year and I believe that he has the mobility to do a job. I'd have him in my team and I don't think you can have him anywhere else but midfield.
"He's the best midfielder we have right now in my opinion.
The O'Shea brothers are a fine partnership but I just wonder how effective they can be together at midfield against the likes of Dublin.
"Could Donal Vaughan do a job at midfield? Could he sweep around the half-back line and hold the middle?
"Mobility is the key now against the top teams."
Mayo Team named on twitter;
Mayo Team Hennelly, Cunniffe, Caff, Harrison, Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle, AOShea, Gibbons, McLoughlin, Higgins, Doherty, Moran, Freeman, OConnor
Cunniffe straight back in, strong team. Big test for Harrison again, he has been doing well though.
Quote from: bucko on March 27, 2014, 11:27:43 AM
Mayo Team named on twitter;
Mayo Team Hennelly, Cunniffe, Caff, Harrison, Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle, AOShea, Gibbons, McLoughlin, Higgins, Doherty, Moran, Freeman, OConnor
Delighted for Harrison and Gibbons getting the start in a big match. Mikey Sweeney is unlucky but hopefully he has moved ahead of Conroy and Varley in the pecking order and will get 10 to 15 mins in the second half. MacHale, Gallaghers X 2 , Seami and Chris will probably get a run out too.
Quote from: bucko on March 27, 2014, 11:27:43 AM
Mayo Team named on twitter;
Mayo Team Hennelly, Cunniffe, Caff, Harrison, Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle, AOShea, Gibbons, McLoughlin, Higgins, Doherty, Moran, Freeman, OConnor
Delighted to see Andy's fit again. I do wonder where the other Moran fits into all this - while Homles playing him FF turned the Crokes game that position didn't give him many opportunities to highlight his capabilities to Horan.
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Quote from: bucko on March 27, 2014, 11:27:43 AM
Mayo Team named on twitter;
Mayo Team Hennelly, Cunniffe, Caff, Harrison, Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle, AOShea, Gibbons, McLoughlin, Higgins, Doherty, Moran, Freeman, OConnor
Delighted to see Andy's fit again. I do wonder where the other Moran fits into all this - while Homles playing him FF turned the Crokes game that position didn't give him many opportunities to highlight his capabilities to Horan.
Barry Moran may be the fourth midfielder in the pecking order now but things may change. If Gibbons continues in this vein of form he is going to be hard to shift. He seems to bring a bit more mobility to the party. Then there s Seamie and Aidan.
Barry at ff is an option but not convinced we want to go that way and certainly I wouldn t pay too much heed to the club stuff. I expect them to go with Freeman who has a better all round game for ff. Barry needs a high hanging ball to be effective. I would fear that we would kick too much ball away trying to find him with hopeful ball - like Mitchel's did in final.
Probably strongest team available to us for this game. You d expect that we would have a serious cut at it. It will tell us a bit about Andy too and if he is recovering his old form.
Mayo should be winning this comfortably by 5/6 points given the respective lineups and Mayo's need to lay down a marker.
QuoteI have to call it as I see it.
Mayo are in the driving seat for Saturday. The Dubs have so many players unavailable through injury, suspension and U21 commitments that they are likely to struggle. A Mayo win is the most likely outcome.
A Mayo win in this one will likely only satisfy half of the Mayo posters here.
It's important alright that we get a win over Dublin this time and I think we will. Its not just because of Dublins lengthening injury list but add to that our gradual upward improvement over the campaign. I expect this game to be more physical than any of the league games so far.
THIB, is the Dublin injuries becoming a concern for ye? Is there something up with the lads training schedule causing these injuries?
Quote from: highorlow on March 28, 2014, 12:14:14 PM
THIB, is the Dublin injuries becoming a concern for ye? Is there something up with the lads training schedule causing these injuries?
It's a concern all right – but I think Gavin would have done a lot of rotation in the league in any event. There is a good crop of young lads coming into the reckoning from the successful underage teams of recent years and they have to be looked at, and the league is the place to do it.
In the meantime I think that Saturday night will be Mayo's.
Mayo win..................................... Slightly concerned with overall form of Dublin team, Jims management choices ......................................and James Horans weight gain
Quote from: highorlow on March 28, 2014, 12:14:14 PM
QuoteI have to call it as I see it.
Mayo are in the driving seat for Saturday. The Dubs have so many players unavailable through injury, suspension and U21 commitments that they are likely to struggle. A Mayo win is the most likely outcome.
A Mayo win in this one will likely only satisfy half of the Mayo posters here.It's important alright that we get a win over Dublin this time and I think we will. Its not just because of Dublins lengthening injury list but add to that our gradual upward improvement over the campaign. I expect this game to be more physical than any of the league games so far.
THIB, is the Dublin injuries becoming a concern for ye? Is there something up with the lads training schedule causing these injuries?
Not sure I get the bit in bold highorlow. Half the posters here want Dublin to win. Surely not.
Have we got a Dublin team yet?
I d like to see us win this so we get a semi probably and another match. But if we win I wouldn t see it as a marker or anything for later. It will probably be of little significance if the 2 meet again later. But there might be some hints about how we re thinking. Will we deal with Cluxton s kick-outs better. On the other hand it is unlikely that Dublin will show too many moves at this stage.
Going forward it will be interesting does Horan intend to get many of the big men on the field at the same time. Barry, Aidan, Seamie, Gibbons and Parsons all can play a bit.
a bit surprised to see Connoly back on the Dublin team.So much for the 3 week break for the Vincents players.Should be a good tussle between Connolly and Keegan
DUBLIN (SF v Mayo)
Stephen Cluxton (Parnell's)
Jonny Cooper (Na Fianna)
Rory O'Carroll (Kilmacud Crokes)
Darren Daly (Fingal Ravens)
James McCarthy (Ballymun Kickhams)
Tomás Brady (Na Fianna)
Kevin Nolan (Kilmacud Crokes)
Michael Darragh Macauley (Ballyboden St Enda's)
Cian O'Sullivan (Kilmacud Crokes)
Paul Flynn (Fingallians)
Alan Brogan (St Oliver Plunkett's/Eoghan Ruadh)
Diarmuid Connolly (St Vincent's)
Kevin McManamon (St Jude's)
Eoghan O'Gara (Templeogue Synge St)
Paddy Andrews (St Brigid's)
Scary looking Dublin forward line there. I stand by my original prediction for a narrow Dublin win.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 28, 2014, 10:44:54 PM
Scary looking Dublin forward line there.
Really?
Paul Flynn,Eoghan O'Gara,Paddy Andrews aren't big scorers. How fit is Alan Brogan? Kevin McManamon is arguably better off the bench and i think Mayo will surely mark Diarmuid Connolly better than Castlebar did.
Nothing wrong with Alan Brogans fitness against Derry, was outstanding. McMemamnin has been playing well this year,missed Derry game with injury
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 28, 2014, 10:54:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 28, 2014, 10:44:54 PM
Scary looking Dublin forward line there.
Really?
Paul Flynn,Eoghan O'Gara,Paddy Andrews aren't big scorers. How fit is Alan Brogan? Kevin McManamon is arguably better off the bench and i think Mayo will surely mark Diarmuid Connolly better than Castlebar did.
Paddy Andrews and Flynn (for a half forward) aren't prolific scorers really?
Keegan and Connolly should be interesting...
Quote from: Zulu on March 28, 2014, 11:06:13 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 28, 2014, 10:54:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 28, 2014, 10:44:54 PM
Scary looking Dublin forward line there.
Really?
Paul Flynn,Eoghan O'Gara,Paddy Andrews aren't big scorers. How fit is Alan Brogan? Kevin McManamon is arguably better off the bench and i think Mayo will surely mark Diarmuid Connolly better than Castlebar did.
Paddy Andrews and Flynn (for a half forward) aren't prolific scorers really?
Flynn is one of Dublin's most important players however getting big scores isn't one of his strong points. I don't think Andrews is prolific scorer.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 28, 2014, 10:54:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 28, 2014, 10:44:54 PM
Scary looking Dublin forward line there.
Really?
Paul Flynn,Eoghan O'Gara,Paddy Andrews aren't big scorers. How fit is Alan Brogan? Kevin McManamon is arguably better off the bench and i think Mayo will surely mark Diarmuid Connolly better than Castlebar did.
Paul Flynn may not be the heaviest scorer (why would he need to be with the players around him?) but he's one of the best players in the game. The engine of the Dublin team and a real contender for the best player in the country over the past few years.
Mayo to blow the dubs apart, kick start their season and turn pessimists like myself into dreamers again.
Quote from: larryin89 on March 29, 2014, 08:11:33 AM
Mayo to blow the dubs apart, kick start their season and turn pessimists like myself into dreamers again.
That's a very pessimistic prediction alright Larry ;-)
The fact that both managers have named their strongest teams should make this a great contest. Stil hard to know how mmuxh we''ll learn for later in the year, probably very little.
Quote from: Tubberman on March 29, 2014, 08:29:26 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 29, 2014, 08:11:33 AM
Mayo to blow the dubs apart, kick start their season and turn pessimists like myself into dreamers again.
That's a very pessimistic prediction alright Larry ;-)
The fact that both managers have named their strongest teams should make this a great contest. Stil hard to know how mmuxh we''ll learn for later in the year, probably very little.
Dublins strongest team?? No McMahon, McCaffrey, Brennan, Brogans x 2, Mannion, Costello, Bastick, Kilkenny or Rock. Yeah it's our strongest team!
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on March 29, 2014, 04:02:12 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 29, 2014, 08:29:26 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 29, 2014, 08:11:33 AM
Mayo to blow the dubs apart, kick start their season and turn pessimists like myself into dreamers again.
That's a very pessimistic prediction alright Larry ;-)
The fact that both managers have named their strongest teams should make this a great contest. Stil hard to know how mmuxh we''ll learn for later in the year, probably very little.
Dublins strongest team?? No McMahon, McCaffrey, Brennan, Brogans x 2, Mannion, Costello, Bastick, Kilkenny or Rock. Yeah it's our strongest team!
To be fair you can't pick everyone. Kilkenny gone for the year. How likely are Costello, Bastick,Rock or Paul Brogan to make it onto the strongest Dublin team? in McMahon, McCaffrey, Brennan Dublin are missing three good defenders and of course Bernard Brogan the best forward you have.
Any live streams for this game?
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 29, 2014, 04:24:55 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on March 29, 2014, 04:02:12 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 29, 2014, 08:29:26 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 29, 2014, 08:11:33 AM
Mayo to blow the dubs apart, kick start their season and turn pessimists like myself into dreamers again.
That's a very pessimistic prediction alright Larry ;-)
The fact that both managers have named their strongest teams should make this a great contest. Stil hard to know how mmuxh we''ll learn for later in the year, probably very little.
Dublins strongest team?? No McMahon, McCaffrey, Brennan, Brogans x 2, Mannion, Costello, Bastick, Kilkenny or Rock. Yeah it's our strongest team!
To be fair you can't pick everyone. Kilkenny gone for the year. How likely are Costello, Bastick,Rock or Paul Brogan to make it onto the strongest Dublin team? in McMahon, McCaffrey, Brennan Dublin are missing three good defenders and of course Bernard Brogan the best forward you have.
Presume you mean Alan, not Paul Brogan? I'd say Mannion and both Brogans would make Dublin's championship forward line with Costello pushing very hard.
Quote from: Zulu on March 29, 2014, 04:47:38 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 29, 2014, 04:24:55 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on March 29, 2014, 04:02:12 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 29, 2014, 08:29:26 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 29, 2014, 08:11:33 AM
Mayo to blow the dubs apart, kick start their season and turn pessimists like myself into dreamers again.
That's a very pessimistic prediction alright Larry ;-)
The fact that both managers have named their strongest teams should make this a great contest. Stil hard to know how mmuxh we''ll learn for later in the year, probably very little.
Dublins strongest team?? No McMahon, McCaffrey, Brennan, Brogans x 2, Mannion, Costello, Bastick, Kilkenny or Rock. Yeah it's our strongest team!
To be fair you can't pick everyone. Kilkenny gone for the year. How likely are Costello, Bastick,Rock or Paul Brogan to make it onto the strongest Dublin team? in McMahon, McCaffrey, Brennan Dublin are missing three good defenders and of course Bernard Brogan the best forward you have.
Presume you mean Alan, not Paul Brogan? I'd say Mannion and both Brogans would make Dublin's championship forward line with Costello pushing very hard.
Alan Brogan is starting tonight.
Quote from: FL/MAYO on March 29, 2014, 04:34:49 PM
Any live streams for this game?
http://www.ilive.to/view/61336/Setanta_Ireland_24%2F7-live-stream-channel Took a lot of searching to find :P Enjoy :)
Quote from: PaoloRossi on March 29, 2014, 05:51:08 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on March 29, 2014, 04:34:49 PM
Any live streams for this game?
http://www.ilive.to/view/61336/Setanta_Ireland_24%2F7-live-stream-channel Took a lot of searching to find :P Enjoy :)
Good man Paolo :)
Madness by Cluxton. A lot of unforced errors but very enjoyable all the same. The black card really is a god send.
Keith Higgins is some player
Quote from: J OGorman on March 29, 2014, 07:38:38 PM
Madness by Cluxton. A lot of unforced errors but very enjoyable all the same. The black card really is a god send.
Keith Higgins is some player
Has probably ruined what was turning into a very close encounter.
Cluxton had to go. Dangerous for Mayor forwards between Cluxton and the snipers in the crowd which keep hitting Andy Moran. Mayo well up for this. Usual sh**e off the ball hits on Connolly to wind him up. Cillian hasn't learned from all Ireland. Took an age to knock free in front of posts over the bar. Half backs better scorers the forwards. Will cost them in the summer
Billy Joe reckoned Mc Loughlin's cynicism was responsible for Cluxton getting sent off.
References to cynical play or cynicism should be rewarded with a 8 week suspension.
Stupid from Cluxton has probably cost his side the game with that one moment of madness.
Hurling referee ?
Frenetic stuff. MDMA does some charging with the forearm
Just give the ball back to Mc Caffrey and Jack scores a goal and leaves a point in it. Instead goalie saves and Conolly fouls and there's 5 in it again.
Game over.
Mc Menamin meant this one for sure !
Game back on.
Quote from: orangeman on March 29, 2014, 08:19:44 PM
Mc Menamin meant this one for sure !
Game back on.
Great player to watch. Some skill and never ever stops trying
Don't think McCaffrey has earned the right to go by Jack yet
Great goal in fairness
Right decision. Pick up off the ground. Good umpiring.
There's some fouling going on here and no frees.
There's only one Cluxton.
Howler from the replacement Dublin goalkeeper.
This has been some 2nd half. Drama all round.
The keeper has had a mare.
Hell of a goal, could have went on and won it.
And breathe...what a 2nd half of football
Phew! What a game. Mayo fairly threw that away and lucky they didn't go home empty handed.
Credit to both teams. Some entertainment.
Mistake to take Harrison off unless he was injured. He had a very decent first half in my view.
f**king shiteballs, complete arseology of the highest order.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 29, 2014, 08:38:53 PM
f**king shiteballs, complete arseology of the highest order.
You really have to hand it to Dublin. That's the confidence that comes from winning a couple of AI. Not much between the teams talentwise.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 29, 2014, 08:38:53 PM
f**king shiteballs, complete arseology of the highest order.
I second that emotion! Jez, we have some fecking crowd playing for us! Playing down the clock and us ahead by three?
I dont even know where to start.Fair play to Dublin they are a far better team than us.Some of our fellas will keep making the same mistakes over and over and over and over again
O'Gara 2 kicks 2 goals and what goals they were.
Mayo will be scratching their heads for a day or two.
Quote from: orangeman on March 29, 2014, 08:47:29 PM
O'Gara 2 kicks 2 goals and what goals they were.
Mayo will be scratching their heads for a day or two.
Not many myself included that rated him that highly however those were two fine goals. Tale of two Dublin goalkeepers that almost won the game for Mayo.
On that showing we have lots of problems.Hennelly is a liability the sooner we get Clarke or O Malley in the better.Vaughan gives the ball away and goes walkabout far too much.Aiden O Shea simply refuses to pass the ball and has to take it in to traffic which normally results in a turnover.Our forwards bar Cillian are not good enough
What an enjoyable game.
But it has left me somewhat frustrated as I flicked over and back between the two big games..
Tonight we had two big games in the Capital. Both games were effectively shadow boxing for bigger clashes ahead. Yet, you had 28k more people in the Aviva than Croker. Now while it's not like for like and to a large extent the discrepancy is media fuelled but no one can tell me that the Magners League is any way more important than the Allianz football/hurling leagues.. But for the last 3/4 weeks Leinster rugby have done the hard sell on radio and in the print media to ensure a full house. While Munster Leinster arguably sells itself, it doesn't necessarily have to because the organisation behind it is doing it.
I'd be interested in viewing figures comparison also. Forget all this talk about SKY for a moment but RTE should as part of their deal be made to commit to the Saturday night league games. Maximum exposure is what we want and to get more people talking about games like we just have seen this evening.
God Mayo buckos you could have made a serious statement there, I expected ye to win by 8 pts plus easily :o
Quote from: J OGorman on March 29, 2014, 08:12:59 PM
Frenetic stuff. MDMA does some charging with the forearm
Big Aidan leads with the elbow all day long
Quote from: haze on March 29, 2014, 09:23:21 PM
What an enjoyable game.
But it has left me somewhat frustrated as I flicked over and back between the two big games..
Tonight we had two big games in the Capital. Both games were effectively shadow boxing for bigger clashes ahead. Yet, you had 28k more people in the Aviva than Croker. Now while it's not like for like and to a large extent the discrepancy is media fuelled but no one can tell me that the Magners League is any way more important than the Allianz football/hurling leagues.. But for the last 3/4 weeks Leinster rugby have done the hard sell on radio and in the print media to ensure a full house. While Munster Leinster arguably sells itself, it doesn't necessarily have to because the organisation behind it is doing it.
I'd be interested in viewing figures comparison also. Forget all this talk about SKY for a moment but RTE should as part of their deal be made to commit to the Saturday night league games. Maximum exposure is what we want and to get more people talking about games like we just have seen this evening.
Home crowds probably similar. Away Munster population 1,246,000. Mayo 130,000.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 29, 2014, 09:27:09 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on March 29, 2014, 08:12:59 PM
Frenetic stuff. MDMA does some charging with the forearm
Big Aidan leads with the elbow all day long
That's how all Mayo men say hello.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 29, 2014, 09:27:09 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on March 29, 2014, 08:12:59 PM
Frenetic stuff. MDMA does some charging with the forearm
Big Aidan leads with the elbow all day long
Throw those curtains wide.... :-)
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 29, 2014, 09:25:00 PM
God Mayo buckos you could have made a serious statement there, I expected ye to win by 8 pts plus easily :o
Yes, under the circumstances we really should have. The fact that we didn t was mostly about our failings but Dublin will take a lot from it.
This was a disaster of a performance by Mayo even before the last goal went in. At no stage in the game did we look good as a team. The errors and turnovers started early. It would be interesting to see how many opposition scores come from us giving the ball away, and not just in this game.
I didn t think winning this would be a marker game so not going to panic over this mess tonight. It s one game and next week is just as important as regards the progress of the season.
Positives for Mayo.
I thought Harrison was doing well. Gibbons was outstanding again. McLoughlin was very good. Pity but its like at times he is the only one we have with a functioning football brain. O Connor will improve and Andy should signs of improvement tonight.
But that s about it. Boyle was a loss but cant complain. O Gara s goals came after Caff was replaced. How he was allowed to be totally free, twice, in penalty area and us a man up is. Doherty blew that goal chance pretty badly. Can score them in Castlebar all day long but........
The long ball into Freeman didn t work and it looks again like kicking ball to our ff line in Croke Park is just giving the ball back to the opposition and allowing them to hurt us on the counter-attack. For me this is the biggest problem this team has but i don t think management can or maybe know how to fix it. But afaic it is coaching as much as a personnel problem. Aidan continues to try knocking down walls all day long instead of taking the correct option. He getting hurt and hurting the team but still it goes on unchecked it seems. What s that about? Do they not do video analysis and stats? Do players listen to music on headphones during meetings?
Keith is not having the impact in the forwards that we need. Maybe it needs to be persisted with longer but I think he should be tried at 6. We re not getting the expected product from him where he is and we re not getting enough product from our current no.6.
The bottom line for me is that our flaws cost us a match we should have won with a fair bit to spare. Win by 3 points and those cracks might have been papered over so this result might be just as well. But we ve seen this type of thing before and lessons have not been learned before. Not sure thay will now either. The sounds after the game were the same. Still talking about learning and stuff.
Colm Boyle black harsh ? I thought he out his hand in to strip the ball ?
Yes ? No ? Maybe ?
How is this league shaping up now, could Mayo still face Dublin in the final?
Dublin 3-14 Mayo 2-17: Heavyweight rematches rarely live up to the hype, but this was a brilliant exception – Dublin showing just enough punch late on to ensure in finished on a split decision, and with that denying Mayo the chance to make some amends for their All-Ireland defeat here last September.
It also leaves both teams with one foot in the Allianz Football League semi-finals – with just one round to go. Yet Dublin had to fight long and hard to salvage a draw, the defending league and All-Ireland champions losing goalkeeper and captain Stephen Cluxton to a straight red card on 28 minutes for tripping Mayo forward Kevin McLoughlin from behind, for no apparent reason.
Quote from: moysider on March 29, 2014, 10:29:19 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 29, 2014, 09:25:00 PM
God Mayo buckos you could have made a serious statement there, I expected ye to win by 8 pts plus easily :o
Yes, under the circumstances we really should have. The fact that we didn t was mostly about our failings but Dublin will take a lot from it.
This was a disaster of a performance by Mayo even before the last goal went in. At no stage in the game did we look good as a team. The errors and turnovers started early. It would be interesting to see how many opposition scores come from us giving the ball away, and not just in this game.
I didn t think winning this would be a marker game so not going to panic over this mess tonight. It s one game and next week is just as important as regards the progress of the season.
Positives for Mayo.
I thought Harrison was doing well. Gibbons was outstanding again. McLoughlin was very good. Pity but its like at times he is the only one we have with a functioning football brain. O Connor will improve and Andy should signs of improvement tonight.
But that s about it. Boyle was a loss but cant complain. O Gara s goals came after Caff was replaced. How he was allowed to be totally free, twice, in penalty area and us a man up is. Doherty blew that goal chance pretty badly. Can score them in Castlebar all day long but........
The long ball into Freeman didn t work and it looks again like kicking ball to our ff line in Croke Park is just giving the ball back to the opposition and allowing them to hurt us on the counter-attack. For me this is the biggest problem this team has but i don t think management can or maybe know how to fix it. But afaic it is coaching as much as a personnel problem. Aidan continues to try knocking down walls all day long instead of taking the correct option. He getting hurt and hurting the team but still it goes on unchecked it seems. What s that about? Do they not do video analysis and stats? Do players listen to music on headphones during meetings?
Keith is not having the impact in the forwards that we need. Maybe it needs to be persisted with longer but I think he should be tried at 6. We re not getting the expected product from him where he is and we re not getting enough product from our current no.6.
The bottom line for me is that our flaws cost us a match we should have won with a fair bit to spare. Win by 3 points and those cracks might have been papered over so this result might be just as well. But we ve seen this type of thing before and lessons have not been learned before. Not sure thay will now either. The sounds after the game were the same. Still talking about learning and stuff.
Ah we were on a hiding to nothing. Once Cluxton seen the line, there was no winning for Mayo. They would get no credit for beating Dublin by 1 or 10 points. Dublin got to play off the cuff and it worked in patches. Anyway, despite scoring 2-17 we still have no marquee forwards. Substitutions were once again like the game against Cork, very strange and left us weakened in different sectors at a stage where we should have been closing out the game. The high ball was constantly tried into Freeman, almost to show us how last years substitution of the same player was justified. Then to add salt to the wound, we take said player off instead of trying something different. One of the forwards brought on is not up to it and i cannot see how Horan still fancies him. O'Shea has gone back to 2011 and carrying the Ball into the tackle and more importantly losing it. Black card is
Away from all that, the referee was all over the place for both sides. The two big calls - the Mayo goal and the sending off were not his calls but came from the umpires and this must be taken as a positive. As most umpires either miss these incidents or cannot be bothered to get involved. The Black card is very frustrating. I suppose it's the best solution at the moment. But there is something dodgy about it. And when the big call come in the summer there are going to be some really unfortunate victims of this rule.
Moysider, going into the final minutes, I was (sorta) glad Dublin got the last goal. I could not believe the hold ball antics with one score in it (if two maybe) and the only way to learn from doing such a silly thing was to be punished in a lesser important game.
Fantastic display by the Dubs. Mayo should really have been out of sight at the final whistle. This Dublin team has a fighting quality which so many Dublin teams of the past have lacked.
Long may it last.
Jesus, you hardly think tonight is proof Mayo have marquee forwards do you? COC, Doherty and Freeman were all poor enough at putting chances away and these are the guys you're hoping to step up. Mayo 1-9 are excellent but anyone who thinks you've quality forwards is cracked. Mayo have good footballers in the forward line but a Connolly, Costello, Brogan x 2 or Flynn you do not have.
Quote from: Zulu on March 29, 2014, 10:54:09 PM
Jesus, you hardly think tonight is proof Mayo have marquee forwards do you? COC, Doherty and Freeman were all poor enough at putting chances away and these are the guys you're hoping to step up. Mayo 1-9 are excellent but anyone who thinks you've quality forwards is cracked. Mayo have good footballers in the forward line but a Connolly, Costello, Brogan x 2 or Flynn you do not have.
Don't mention the lad that's not there. :)
Quote from: Chimley on March 29, 2014, 08:42:18 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 29, 2014, 08:38:53 PM
f**king shiteballs, complete arseology of the highest order.
You really have to hand it to Dublin. That's the confidence that comes from winning a couple of AI. Not much between the teams talentwise.
True, but that feels like a loss.
Quote from: Zulu on March 29, 2014, 10:54:09 PM
Jesus, you hardly think tonight is proof Mayo have marquee forwards do you? COC, Doherty and Freeman were all poor enough at putting chances away and these are the guys you're hoping to step up. Mayo 1-9 are excellent but anyone who thinks you've quality forwards is cracked. Mayo have good footballers in the forward line but a Connolly, Costello, Brogan x 2 or Flynn you do not have.
Who said that?
Mayo are a very good side and won't be far away in August and September.
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Quote from: Zulu on March 29, 2014, 10:54:09 PM
Jesus, you hardly think tonight is proof Mayo have marquee forwards do you? COC, Doherty and Freeman were all poor enough at putting chances away and these are the guys you're hoping to step up. Mayo 1-9 are excellent but anyone who thinks you've quality forwards is cracked. Mayo have good footballers in the forward line but a Connolly, Costello, Brogan x 2 or Flynn you do not have.
Who said that?
You - "Anyway, despite scoring 2-17 we still have no marquee forwards."
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Jesus, you hardly think tonight is proof Mayo have marquee forwards do you? COC, Doherty and Freeman were all poor enough at putting chances away and these are the guys you're hoping to step up. Mayo 1-9 are excellent but anyone who thinks you've quality forwards is cracked. Mayo have good footballers in the forward line but a Connolly, Costello, Brogan x 2 or Flynn you do not have.
Who said that?
You - "Anyway, despite scoring 2-17 we still have no marquee forwards."
And where in that line does it say we have Marquee Forwards?
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God Mayo buckos you could have made a serious statement there, I expected ye to win by 8 pts plus easily :o
Yes, under the circumstances we really should have. The fact that we didn t was mostly about our failings but Dublin will take a lot from it.
This was a disaster of a performance by Mayo even before the last goal went in. At no stage in the game did we look good as a team. The errors and turnovers started early. It would be interesting to see how many opposition scores come from us giving the ball away, and not just in this game.
I didn t think winning this would be a marker game so not going to panic over this mess tonight. It s one game and next week is just as important as regards the progress of the season.
Positives for Mayo.
I thought Harrison was doing well. Gibbons was outstanding again. McLoughlin was very good. Pity but its like at times he is the only one we have with a functioning football brain. O Connor will improve and Andy should signs of improvement tonight.
But that s about it. Boyle was a loss but cant complain. O Gara s goals came after Caff was replaced. How he was allowed to be totally free, twice, in penalty area and us a man up is. Doherty blew that goal chance pretty badly. Can score them in Castlebar all day long but........
The long ball into Freeman didn t work and it looks again like kicking ball to our ff line in Croke Park is just giving the ball back to the opposition and allowing them to hurt us on the counter-attack. For me this is the biggest problem this team has but i don t think management can or maybe know how to fix it. But afaic it is coaching as much as a personnel problem. Aidan continues to try knocking down walls all day long instead of taking the correct option. He getting hurt and hurting the team but still it goes on unchecked it seems. What s that about? Do they not do video analysis and stats? Do players listen to music on headphones during meetings?
Keith is not having the impact in the forwards that we need. Maybe it needs to be persisted with longer but I think he should be tried at 6. We re not getting the expected product from him where he is and we re not getting enough product from our current no.6.
The bottom line for me is that our flaws cost us a match we should have won with a fair bit to spare. Win by 3 points and those cracks might have been papered over so this result might be just as well. But we ve seen this type of thing before and lessons have not been learned before. Not sure thay will now either. The sounds after the game were the same. Still talking about learning and stuff.
Ah we were on a hiding to nothing. Once Cluxton seen the line, there was no winning for Mayo. They would get no credit for beating Dublin by 1 or 10 points. Dublin got to play off the cuff and it worked in patches. Anyway, despite scoring 2-17 we still have no marquee forwards. Substitutions were once again like the game against Cork, very strange and left us weakened in different sectors at a stage where we should have been closing out the game. The high ball was constantly tried into Freeman, almost to show us how last years substitution of the same player was justified. Then to add salt to the wound, we take said player off instead of trying something different. One of the forwards brought on is not up to it and i cannot see how Horan still fancies him. O'Shea has gone back to 2011 and carrying the Ball into the tackle and more importantly losing it. Black card is
Away from all that, the referee was all over the place for both sides. The two big calls - the Mayo goal and the sending off were not his calls but came from the umpires and this must be taken as a positive. As most umpires either miss these incidents or cannot be bothered to get involved. The Black card is very frustrating. I suppose it's the best solution at the moment. But there is something dodgy about it. And when the big call come in the summer there are going to be some really unfortunate victims of this rule.
Moysider, going into the final minutes, I was (sorta) glad Dublin got the last goal. I could not believe the hold ball antics with one score in it (if two maybe) and the only way to learn from doing such a silly thing was to be punished in a lesser important game.
Yes. I couldn t believe we did not go for the insurance point. But during the whole game some of our decision making was terrible. Really Jack McCaffrey should have put us out of our misery and taught us a right lesson. But we ve had enough lessons already. The point might well get us into a semi yet.
But JH was saying after the game about doing crazy things on the pitch. We ve heard James saying this before. Fans are saying it as well but James is the manager and responsible for some extent at least for the craziness.
I know I ll get ate but I ll say this anyway.
When a young player questioned Horan last summer about not getting a run v Roscommon he was dropped from the panel the following week. For what appears to be his impertinence. Yet a player of immense talent and importance is allowed to repeat the same damaging mistakes game after game. How does that work I wonder>
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Quote from: Zulu on March 29, 2014, 10:54:09 PM
Jesus, you hardly think tonight is proof Mayo have marquee forwards do you? COC, Doherty and Freeman were all poor enough at putting chances away and these are the guys you're hoping to step up. Mayo 1-9 are excellent but anyone who thinks you've quality forwards is cracked. Mayo have good footballers in the forward line but a Connolly, Costello, Brogan x 2 or Flynn you do not have.
Who said that?
You - "Anyway, despite scoring 2-17 we still have no marquee forwards."
And where in that line does it say we have Marquee Forwards?
Ah right, so you use the word 'despite' in a different way to the rest of the world?
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Quote from: Zulu on March 29, 2014, 10:54:09 PM
Jesus, you hardly think tonight is proof Mayo have marquee forwards do you? COC, Doherty and Freeman were all poor enough at putting chances away and these are the guys you're hoping to step up. Mayo 1-9 are excellent but anyone who thinks you've quality forwards is cracked. Mayo have good footballers in the forward line but a Connolly, Costello, Brogan x 2 or Flynn you do not have.
Who said that?
You - "Anyway, despite scoring 2-17 we still have no marquee forwards."
And where in that line does it say we have Marquee Forwards?
Ah right, so you use the word 'despite' in a different way to the rest of the world?
I think we both see what we want to see. But to put the record straight.
Mayo don't have Marquee forwards and despite this they scored 2-17.
Is that more clearer for you.
Now that we have that settled. Well done on tonights win. Your side never gave in and it augurs well for the year ahead.
Exactly like the semi final in 2012-open goal chances to kill off the game and Mayo didn't take them.
I heard (via Midwest) that the "goal scoring specialist" missed an absolute sitter too. It was so bad the commentators were actually laughing......
Fair enough FtB, I took you up wrong. My team is your team by the way, I'm not from Mayo but I'd love to see you win it more than any other county. But I get frustrated when Mayo supporters blame JH or something else when the simple fact is you don't have the forwards to win the All Ireland. You have great footballers but Andy Moran is the only forward you have that would definitely make the Dublin forward line, COC too perhaps but beyond that it's hard to see who else.
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Quote from: Zulu on March 29, 2014, 10:54:09 PM
Jesus, you hardly think tonight is proof Mayo have marquee forwards do you? COC, Doherty and Freeman were all poor enough at putting chances away and these are the guys you're hoping to step up. Mayo 1-9 are excellent but anyone who thinks you've quality forwards is cracked. Mayo have good footballers in the forward line but a Connolly, Costello, Brogan x 2 or Flynn you do not have.
Who said that?
You - "Anyway, despite scoring 2-17 we still have no marquee forwards."
And where in that line does it say we have Marquee Forwards?
Ah right, so you use the word 'despite' in a different way to the rest of the world?
Well I read it he meant that even though we have no marquee forwards we still managed to score 2-17.
Look, Sligo have better marquee forwards than us. Seriously. Marren, Kelly and Murphy are generally considered better ffs than anybody we tog out. But who would you fancy to progress through the summer?
However Kevin McLoughlin was the best forward out there tonight. I don t agree with his role tonight but he has been quality this league and would have to be picked on any team. Unfortunately smart and all that he is he doesn t have enough brain to compensate for others. I hope nobody ever calls McLoughlin a marquee forward though. Would be an insult.
Kevin McLoughlin is a fine footballer but Flynn and Connolly are better so he wouldn't make the Dublin team for me. I don't know why Mayo aren't producing better forwards but that's what I'd look at if I was in charge of Mayo football. Dublin are now producing genuinely class footballers where as they never did before so it can be done.
Quote from: Zulu on March 29, 2014, 11:33:03 PM
Fair enough FtB, I took you up wrong. My team is your team by the way, I'm not from Mayo but I'd love to see you win it more than any other county. But I get frustrated when Mayo supporters blame JH or something else when the simple fact is you don't have the forwards to win the All Ireland. You have great footballers but Andy Moran is the only forward you have that would definitely make the Dublin forward line, COC too perhaps but beyond that it's hard to see who else.
James has done so much right it is hard to be critical, but....
These are James' chosen forwards and he sets them up tactically. Tonight any team in the top 3 devisions would have defended our ball into the ff line. This team scored 10 goals before tonights game but struggling to recall many from long ball tactic. I realise we have to vary the running game and hit the full forward line but to do that you need players that can kick the ball well. McLoughlin and O Connor and Gallagher the few I think that can do that.
Quote from: Zulu on March 29, 2014, 11:41:43 PM
Kevin McLoughlin is a fine footballer but Flynn and Connolly are better so he wouldn't make the Dublin team for me. I don't know why Mayo aren't producing better forwards but that's what I'd look at if I was in charge of Mayo football. Dublin are now producing genuinely class footballers where as they never did before so it can be done.
Ah, you can't have everything! Taking Dublin out of the equation who have great forwards? We are not alone!
Any reason why Connolly didn't get the line for bringing down Keegan in the 2nd half? Didn't see the replay in the stadium. Mr. Connolly was throwing shapes again tonight off the ball at every available opportunity.
Quote from: ballinaman on March 29, 2014, 11:46:29 PM
Any reason why Connolly didn't get the line for bringing down Keegan in the 2nd half? Didn't see the replay in the stadium. Mr. Connolly was throwing shapes again tonight off the ball at every available opportunity.
Did not think it was a black card offense as Keegan cut across Connolly and even tho it was a free it seemed more accidental than anything else.
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Any reason why Connolly didn't get the line for bringing down Keegan in the 2nd half? Didn't see the replay in the stadium. Mr. Connolly was throwing shapes again tonight off the ball at every available opportunity.
Did not think it was a black card offense as Keegan cut across Connolly and even tho it was a free it seemed more accidental than anything else.
Sound job, few lads hopped up in front and didn't get a decent look at it.
I thought Cluxton had cleaned up his act in recent years?
A point re Dublins late goal.....
I put the blame for it firmly on the shoulders of Andy Moran. He came right back to his own 45 and set the tone for the other players, i.e.: we should play the clock down (this was not a 'tctic' the team have worked on). If there is a collective decision to do that then 2 points - you do not do it hovering around your own 45m line and you do not have your corner forward back standing on the 45m line thinking he is a quarter back who stands when he receives the ball rather than playing at full pace.
The even more frustrating part for me though was that as soon as the ball was lost that a Mayo player did not instantly rugby tackle the Dublin player and hold him down along with the ball accepting that he would get a black card .... and if the ball broke free that someone else made absolutely sure there would be no free kick. A similar lack of awareness cos us a draw against Kildare as well.
Re Colm Boyles black card ....
I put a large portion of the blame for this on the shoulders of Lee Keegan. The Dublin player that won the ball near the end line at the canal end was being shadowed by Keegan but Keegan made absolutely no effort to get a hand in or indeed do anything to put the player off his stride resulting in a good ball being played across - ultimately resulting in the black card. Leeroy should not be beyond criticism and the moment i am highlighting was a microcosm of a performance which was far below where it can and should always be (particularly in the 2nd half).
Quote from: Zulu on March 29, 2014, 11:41:43 PM
Kevin McLoughlin is a fine footballer but Flynn and Connolly are better so he wouldn't make the Dublin team for me. I don't know why Mayo aren't producing better forwards but that's what I'd look at if I was in charge of Mayo football. Dublin are now producing genuinely class footballers where as they never did before so it can be done.
No, no, no. Flynn and Connolly are fine players and they have size as well. But McLoughlin is different. Makes things tick. That s 2 games in a row against Cork and Dublin that he has been outstanding. Still a place for a smaller,smart, technical player. If you don t agree fine. We don t all see the game the same. Connolly can win a game on his own if he is let. Flynn is big enough to be a midfielder and is serious ordnance. Mcloughlin has the quality to make a team tick and he scores more than he s given credit for. That goal tonight was a fine finish. As regards producing class forwards. The less said about that the better ::)
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Quote from: Zulu on March 29, 2014, 11:41:43 PM
Kevin McLoughlin is a fine footballer but Flynn and Connolly are better so he wouldn't make the Dublin team for me. I don't know why Mayo aren't producing better forwards but that's what I'd look at if I was in charge of Mayo football. Dublin are now producing genuinely class footballers where as they never did before so it can be done.
Ah, you can't have everything! Taking Dublin out of the equation who have great forwards? We are not alone!
Kerry, Cork and Tyrone (maybe), Donegal (McFadden, Murphy & McBrearty aren't bad) for a start. Mayo don't produce great forwards, especially considering their football pedigree. If you were to name the top 50 forwards of the last 40 years only Ciaran MacD would be definitely be in it despite Mayo making numerous All Ireland finals. Tipperary and Wicklow would have as many candidates for the love of Christ!
Quote from: ballinaman on March 29, 2014, 11:46:29 PM
Any reason why Connolly didn't get the line for bringing down Keegan in the 2nd half? Didn't see the replay in the stadium. Mr. Connolly was throwing shapes again tonight off the ball at every available opportunity.
Ah, It looked accidental. But could have been Black carded if the game was in Castlebar. Ah, in fairness Connolly get allot of (how should we put it) attention because of his character. So naturally he going to give some back or get his in first.
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Any reason why Connolly didn't get the line for bringing down Keegan in the 2nd half? Didn't see the replay in the stadium. Mr. Connolly was throwing shapes again tonight off the ball at every available opportunity.
Not a black card. Keegan fouled by Connolly and fell and Connolly fell over him. No question of a card.
Might have been a call for what looked like a drag down on Aidan in first half.
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Kevin McLoughlin is a fine footballer but Flynn and Connolly are better so he wouldn't make the Dublin team for me. I don't know why Mayo aren't producing better forwards but that's what I'd look at if I was in charge of Mayo football. Dublin are now producing genuinely class footballers where as they never did before so it can be done.
No, no, no. Flynn and Connolly are fine players and they have size as well. But McLoughlin is different. Makes things tick. That s 2 games in a row against Cork and Dublin that he has been outstanding. Still a place for a smaller,smart, technical player. If you don t agree fine. We don t all see the game the same. Connolly can win a game on his own if he is let. Flynn is big enough to be a midfielder and is serious ordnance. Mcloughlin has the quality to make a team tick and he scores more than he s given credit for. That goal tonight was a fine finish. As regards producing class forwards. The less said about that the better ::)
Moysider, you can hold that opinion of course but I'd be surprised if many around the country would put McLoughlin in front of Connolly and Flynn. To my mind they are the two best wing forwards in football by a long way.
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Any reason why Connolly didn't get the line for bringing down Keegan in the 2nd half? Didn't see the replay in the stadium. Mr. Connolly was throwing shapes again tonight off the ball at every available opportunity.
Ah, It looked accidental. But could have been Black carded if the game was in Castlebar. Ah, in fairness Connolly get allot of (how should we put it) attention because of his character. So naturally he going to give some back or get his in first.
Fair enough. Ya, himself and Drake had a nice few clips at each other a few times.
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Any reason why Connolly didn't get the line for bringing down Keegan in the 2nd half? Didn't see the replay in the stadium. Mr. Connolly was throwing shapes again tonight off the ball at every available opportunity.
Ah, It looked accidental. But could have been Black carded if the game was in Castlebar. Ah, in fairness Connolly get allot of (how should we put it) attention because of his character. So naturally he going to give some back or get his in first.
Fair enough. Ya, himself and Drake had a nice few clips at each other a few times.
I may be wrong but looked like Keegan was given free role after Cluxton's moment of madness. Looked a good idea but he didn t have his usual influence. Connolly came into it more then. Drake has promise but not ready for a Conolly yet while nobody messes with Keegan. Yet again one of the annoying calls we get wrong. Caff got injured I assume?
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Kevin McLoughlin is a fine footballer but Flynn and Connolly are better so he wouldn't make the Dublin team for me. I don't know why Mayo aren't producing better forwards but that's what I'd look at if I was in charge of Mayo football. Dublin are now producing genuinely class footballers where as they never did before so it can be done.
No, no, no. Flynn and Connolly are fine players and they have size as well. But McLoughlin is different. Makes things tick. That s 2 games in a row against Cork and Dublin that he has been outstanding. Still a place for a smaller,smart, technical player. If you don t agree fine. We don t all see the game the same. Connolly can win a game on his own if he is let. Flynn is big enough to be a midfielder and is serious ordnance. Mcloughlin has the quality to make a team tick and he scores more than he s given credit for. That goal tonight was a fine finish. As regards producing class forwards. The less said about that the better ::)
Moysider, you can hold that opinion of course but I'd be surprised if many around the country would put McLoughlin in front of Connolly and Flynn. To my mind they are the two best wing forwards in football by a long way.
It is an easy call for me tbh. No contest. Not that I m saying the other 2 lads are daws or anything.
Bit like do you like a young O Driscoll or a Tuilagi?
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f**king shiteballs, complete arseology of the highest order.
You really have to hand it to Dublin. That's the confidence that comes from winning a couple of AI. Not much between the teams talentwise.
True, but that feels like a loss.
For both sides, given the final play.
Very enjoyable game; another to add to the list between these two teams.
trying not to be biased but I would agree with Moysider in picking Mcloughlin over the 2 dublin lads.He is always on the ball and is the closest thing to C.Mac for hitting a defense splitting pass and I would consider him Mayos best forward.
Agree with blast re Andy Moran's involvement in our late goal concession. Why they didn't kick the ball forward then I'll never know.
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trying not to be biased but I would agree with Moysider in picking Mcloughlin over the 2 dublin lads.He is always on the ball and is the closest thing to C.Mac for hitting a defense splitting pass and I would consider him Mayos best forward.
It s not bias maigheo. He is Mayo s best forward, and best footballer. And in this league consistently best performer.
His pickpocket for the Sweeney goal was not a fluke. His radar way ahead of most players.
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trying not to be biased but I would agree with Moysider in picking Mcloughlin over the 2 dublin lads.He is always on the ball and is the closest thing to C.Mac for hitting a defense splitting pass and I would consider him Mayos best forward.
It s not bias maigheo. He is Mayo s best forward, and best footballer. And in this league consistently best performer.
His pickpocket for the Sweeney goal was not a fluke. His radar way ahead of most players.
Is Kevin McL a better footballer than Higgins or Keegan? I dunno. I think McL's strength is in the fact he does so many things well rather than being the very best at any one aspect. He's a box-to-box HF in the same sense McHugh or Flynn are.
You said McL makes Mayo tick but that's exactly what Flynn does for Dublin and McHugh clearly does for Donegal. Dublin get a lot of praise for being almost unstoppable with such a deep panel but it surprises me that more teams don't target Flynn more openly as they are very dependent on his work sweeping back, winning breaks and carrying the ball up the field. He does the dirty work that few players have the appetite or aptitude for.
You can discombobulate teams with those sorts of players if you game-plan correctly, as is exactly what happened to Donegal last year when Monaghan (one way or another) removed McHugh from the equation.
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trying not to be biased but I would agree with Moysider in picking Mcloughlin over the 2 dublin lads.He is always on the ball and is the closest thing to C.Mac for hitting a defense splitting pass and I would consider him Mayos best forward.
It s not bias maigheo. He is Mayo s best forward, and best footballer. And in this league consistently best performer.
His pickpocket for the Sweeney goal was not a fluke. His radar way ahead of most players.
Is Kevin McL a better footballer than Higgins or Keegan? I dunno. I think McL's strength is in the fact he does so many things well rather than being the very best at any one aspect. He's a box-to-box HF in the same sense McHugh or Flynn are.
He is. Probably better corner back than Keith and more at home in forwards of course. Keegan best 5 about imo but apart from 6 maybe, not versatile besides. Tonight in a free role I was disappointed with him. But he has set high standards. McLoughlin a top wing back also and can be played anywhere really except midfield. He was our best forward yet again tonight even though most of the country - including his own county - think he is a defender.
neutral point of view lads, Flynn or Connolly are better players than McLoughlin if you take your Mayo glasses off for a sec. Though Connolly suited to No.11 not wing forward. Paul kerrigan of Cork or Graham Reilly of Meath are probably the best half forwards about though both can be inconsistent
McFlynn is sh*te.
However Paul Flynn is one of the best players in the country.
From a Mayo pov, Andy Moran and the sideline need to have a good look at themselves. That game was won. Some simple foolishness turned it into a draw.
Looking at the positives, AOS was the reason we lost. As in, when he went off it all ended for us. Gibbons was good along with McLoughlin and most of the backs. Cafferkey going off and O'Gara getting two goals were obviously not unconnected, but still offering turnovers on our own half-back line was idiotic.
BTW the ref was absolutely atrocious. To both teams. Is this what we hve to look forward to this summer?
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neutral point of view lads, McFlynn or Connolly are better players than McLoughlin if you take your Mayo glasses off for a sec. Though Connolly suited to No.11 not wing forward. Paul kerrigan of Cork or Graham Reilly of Meath are probably the best half forwards about though both can be inconsistent
Nobody s neutral. It s not about Mayo glasses.
McLoughlin scored 1-3 tonight in a seriously disfunctional Mayo team. Set up another goal from an unreal steal and probably a few more scores.
Actually amazed there is a debate?
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McFlynn is sh*te.
However Paul Flynn is one of the best players in the country.
From a Mayo pov, Andy Moran and the sideline need to have a good look at themselves. That game was won. Some simple foolishness turned it into a draw.
Looking at the positives, AOS was the reason we lost. As in, when he went off it all ended for us. Gibbons was good along with McLoughlin and most of the backs. Cafferkey going off and O'Gara getting two goals were obviously not unconnected, but still offering turnovers on our own half-back line was idiotic.
BTW the ref was absolutely atrocious. To both teams. Is this what we have to look forward to this summer?
Quote from: muppet on March 30, 2014, 02:14:08 AM
McFlynn is sh*te.
However Paul Flynn is one of the best players in the country.
From a Mayo pov, Andy Moran and the sideline need to have a good look at themselves. That game was won. Some simple foolishness turned it into a draw.
Looking at the positives, AOS was the reason we lost. As in, when he went off it all ended for us. Gibbons was good along with McLoughlin and most of the backs. Cafferkey going off and O'Gara getting two goals were obviously not unconnected, but still asking for turnovers on our own half-back line was idiotic.
BTW the ref was absolutely atrocious. To both teams. Is this what we hve to look forward to this summer?
Finally. Somebody not afraid of sacred cows.
True about Aidan as well. But ............ he was burnt out of oil when he was hauled off and he took unnecessary contact all night. He needs to look at his game too.
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Kevin McLoughlin is a fine footballer but Flynn and Connolly are better so he wouldn't make the Dublin team for me. I don't know why Mayo aren't producing better forwards but that's what I'd look at if I was in charge of Mayo football. Dublin are now producing genuinely class footballers where as they never did before so it can be done.
Ah, you can't have everything! Taking Dublin out of the equation who have great forwards? We are not alone!
Kerry, Cork and Tyrone (maybe), Donegal (McFadden, Murphy & McBrearty aren't bad) for a start. Mayo don't produce great forwards, especially considering their football pedigree. If you were to name the top 50 forwards of the last 40 years only Ciaran MacD would be definitely be in it despite Mayo making numerous All Ireland finals. Tipperary and Wicklow would have as many candidates for the love of Christ!
It's funny to see you mention Ciarán McDonald as the only Mayo forward of the past 40 years Zulu. McDonald was derided as often as he was praised. Colm O'Rourke, as I recall, didn't care for him coming too deep looking for the ball. Joe Brolly thought he looked like a Swedish milkmaid. Tommy Carr said once that he would never have McDonald on a team of his, as McDonald was too much of an individual. Wearing a double digit number for Mayo always makes you a target, matteradamn what you do.
You'll forgive us, I hope, if we continue to maintain faith in the present generation until are hearts are broken once more. Sure it passes the time for us and we do so little harm with our dreaming.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 30, 2014, 12:46:40 AM
Agree with blast re Andy Moran's involvement in our late goal concession. Why they didn't kick the ball forward then I'll never know.
They didn t need to kick the ball. Fresh players on the field and an extra man. They should have ran the ball. Yet in spite of their conservatism and an extra man they left a man unmarked ( for second time) in front of the goals.
I know how much people don t like anybody criticising James Horan. But he cannot be a happy camper tonight and blame it away. He sets the team up selection and tactics. No more than the U21 debacle 2 weeks ago I would not like to have to justify that tonight. The same mistakes repeated ad nauseum. And the same issues will be there when the days are getting much shorter. I ve no doubt about that.
It is amazing how we can go from the best team in ireland to a shambolic team in the space of a week in the eyes of a lot of supporters.The WJ blog is going into melt down with tonights draw.We should have probably won tonights game by 10 points but it is not the end of the world.If things go wrong it is James Horans fault but when we play well and turn over ball with good tackling Donie Buckly gets all the credit.You would think that Horan was no better than a junior b manager and never played county football going by some of the comments, when all he has been is the best manager Mayo have ever had and the best big game player Mayo have ever had.Horan has said time and again that he trusts his players to make the right decisions on the field and be able to think for themselves and work there way out of trouble which for me is the right approach.Gaelic football is a game that can not be micro managed and Horan has often said that they constantly work on the skills of the players during training and hope this transfers to game situations.This is probably Horans last year but as usual we will not appreciate how good he has been for Mayo football until he is long gone.
Great game very enjoyable.
Based in the replays the black and red cards were both deserved and the ref I thought did a good job of consulting with officials to get the facts and make the right calls.
Mayo should have won but they played silly keep ball and paid the price - you have to credit the dubs for coming back from 6 down. I think mayo took off their full back after getting a yellow card which probably cost them the win.
All in all a great game to watch and fair play to both sides for producing such fast and furious football in march
Nobody is disagreeing with you maigheo, but a bit of criticsm does no harm. I thought a night's sleep would help get over last night, but it made it worse.
Did someone post that Andy moran would get a place on the Dublin team?
he shouldn't be on the Mayo team Imo, has offered nothing since injury, its mental the way our support keep talking him up . He is not good enough anymore, bring in Evan regan ffs horan ya big ejit ya.
back to Andy, he has lost pace and he his game hadn't a lot of it anyway, his fitness level has dropped because of injuries and his age, he slows play down for mayo when its already at a snails pace and finally it was ultimately him who lost the game last night, he lead the idea of the ssoccer style pass around the ball in your own half.He has too big an opinion of himself and the youger players are looking up to a man that lacks the realism about his own contribution at this stage ,which is not good.
Wind up merchant as always. I can't wait for some fool to actually agree with some of the bile above.
Jaysus, how did Mayo not win that by ten points?
No lessons learned from last year? Hope the QE2 in midfield plays there all summer
Andy Moran is too slow. Fact. Aidan O'Shea carries into contact instead of passing far too much. Fact. Mayo are bottlers on the big stage. Not a fact but there has to be questions over it. Dublin are full of dirty players. Fact. The black card has brought diving and asking for players to get carded a common occurrence in matches. Judging on last night it has.
Jeez, Dont MAtter could you crawl back into the hole that you came out of and leave us alone
Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2014, 11:06:48 AM
Jaysus, how did Mayo not win that by ten points?
No lessons learned from last year? Hope the QE2 in midfield plays there all summer
Arrah, shag off, will ya; no need to rub it in! ;D
Unfortunately, a lot of others, especially opposing managers and players, will share your sentiments.
Unlike good wine, poor Aidan is not improving with age. Some of his old negative habits are beginning to show again. He's gone back to trying to walk the ball through a gaggle off opposition players and nine times out of ten, he loses possession.
He's not noted for his powers of acceleration, to put it mildly and can't build up a head of stem over a few yards so it's easy enough to gang up on him and turn the ball over.
It's all the more regrettable as he has excellent all around vision and is an excellent distributor as well.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2014, 01:11:23 PM
Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2014, 11:06:48 AM
Jaysus, how did Mayo not win that by ten points?
No lessons learned from last year? Hope the QE2 in midfield plays there all summer
Arrah, shag off, will ya; no need to rub it in! ;D
Unfortunately, a lot of others, especially opposing managers and players, will share your sentiments.
Unlike good wine, poor Aidan is not improving with age. Some of his old negative habits are beginning to show again. He's gone back to trying to walk the ball through a gaggle off opposition players and nine times out of ten, he loses possession.
He's not noted for his powers of acceleration, to put it mildly and can't build up a head of stem over a few yards so it's easy enough to gang up on him and turn the ball over.
It's all the more regrettable as he has excellent all around vision and is an excellent distributor as well.
Bullshit Lar he is a terrible distributor every time he kicks the ball he gives it away.Hes making the same mistakes time and time again he should be dropped for the derry game and give Parsons a chance.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2014, 01:11:23 PM
Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2014, 11:06:48 AM
Jaysus, how did Mayo not win that by ten points?
No lessons learned from last year? Hope the QE2 in midfield plays there all summer
Arrah, shag off, will ya; no need to rub it in! ;D
Unfortunately, a lot of others, especially opposing managers and players, will share your sentiments.
Unlike good wine, poor Aidan is not improving with age. Some of his old negative habits are beginning to show again. He's gone back to trying to walk the ball through a gaggle off opposition players and nine times out of ten, he loses possession.
He's not noted for his powers of acceleration, to put it mildly and can't build up a head of stem over a few yards so it's easy enough to gang up on him and turn the ball over.
It's all the more regrettable as he has excellent all around vision and is an excellent distributor as well.
I thought Aidan played well last night except when he decided to take off on one of his runs. On a positive side this can be worked on before the summer. Mayos midfield were better last night. Cillian is not back to match fitness yet, I can see him at 11 during the summer. Our 6 backs from last year haven't started a game together this year hence the high amount of scores conceded. McLoughlin is back playing well again this year. A few players in the wings to come back yet....its only March 30th FFS!
The way Mayo are set up is not getting the best out of our players.Now before anyone jumps down my throat for having a go at the management let me explain my view.1 to 9 we are as good as anyone.Our forward 6 for whatever reason just dont get the job done.Our inability to make the ball stick in the ff line is a real cause for concern.We persist with a 3 man ff line when its clearly not working and where conceding far to many scores at the opposite end aswell.In my view Higgins should be operated as a sweeper or be played between the full and half back lines where he would be able to drive out with the ball.This would cut down on our concession rate.I believe Cillian will be deployed at 11 in the summer and he should be flanked by Mc Loughlin and Feeney.We dont have the forwards to be getting into shootouts with teams and this system would make us much harder to score against and it would make our attack function much better.Dublin and other top teams know we are best with our half backs driving forward well throw higgins and feeney and mc loughlin into the mix all chipping in with a few scores and we would be very hard to beat.
Not having a go at you for 'sticking the boot in the management', but, does anybody seriously think our 1 to 9 is as good as anyone elses. I mean, 2-19, 2-15, 1-13, 3-9, 2-14 and now 3-14... I was worried against Kildare when we conceded 2-19, but to keep this high concession rate going in every league match, it seems odd to me that we have the best backs in the country.
As an aside, I haven't seen Derry at all yet, but they drew with Tyrone (who beat us by 6), and beat Dublin by 6 (who we could only draw with). I cannot get over the sheer condescending manner of which Mayo fans are viewing Derry. And they will come to C'bar high in confidence in getting something too.
Quote from: mayoman dan on March 30, 2014, 01:32:51 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2014, 01:11:23 PM
Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2014, 11:06:48 AM
Jaysus, how did Mayo not win that by ten points?
No lessons learned from last year? Hope the QE2 in midfield plays there all summer
Arrah, shag off, will ya; no need to rub it in! ;D
Unfortunately, a lot of others, especially opposing managers and players, will share your sentiments.
Unlike good wine, poor Aidan is not improving with age. Some of his old negative habits are beginning to show again. He's gone back to trying to walk the ball through a gaggle off opposition players and nine times out of ten, he loses possession.
He's not noted for his powers of acceleration, to put it mildly and can't build up a head of stem over a few yards so it's easy enough to gang up on him and turn the ball over.
It's all the more regrettable as he has excellent all around vision and is an excellent distributor as well.
Bullshit Lar he is a terrible distributor every time he kicks the ball he gives it away.Hes making the same mistakes time and time again he should be dropped for the derry game and give Parsons a chance.
Tell you what, I'll meet you halfway!
He can be a terrible distributor sometimes. And he has been throughout the league so far but he can do a lot better. His awesome display against Donegal last year is now a distant memory and he has gone nowhere near repeating that performance since.
But what he did once can be repeated if only he can get rid of the demons of doubt from between his lugs.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2014, 02:48:44 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on March 30, 2014, 01:32:51 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 30, 2014, 01:11:23 PM
Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2014, 11:06:48 AM
Jaysus, how did Mayo not win that by ten points?
No lessons learned from last year? Hope the QE2 in midfield plays there all summer
Arrah, shag off, will ya; no need to rub it in! ;D
Unfortunately, a lot of others, especially opposing managers and players, will share your sentiments.
Unlike good wine, poor Aidan is not improving with age. Some of his old negative habits are beginning to show again. He's gone back to trying to walk the ball through a gaggle off opposition players and nine times out of ten, he loses possession.
He's not noted for his powers of acceleration, to put it mildly and can't build up a head of stem over a few yards so it's easy enough to gang up on him and turn the ball over.
It's all the more regrettable as he has excellent all around vision and is an excellent distributor as well.
Bullshit Lar he is a terrible distributor every time he kicks the ball he gives it away.Hes making the same mistakes time and time again he should be dropped for the derry game and give Parsons a chance.
Tell you what, I'll meet you halfway!
He can be a terrible distributor sometimes. And he has been throughout the league so far but he can do a lot better. His awesome display against Donegal last year is now a distant memory and he has gone nowhere near repeating that performance since.
But what he did once can be repeated if only he can get rid of the demons of doubt from between his lugs.
This is what makes it so annoying Lar we know he has all the talent in the world but some days for whatever reason it just dosent happen for him.Could he be tried at ff hes well able to win the ball its his decision making with it thats the problem.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 30, 2014, 02:33:42 PM
Not having a go at you for 'sticking the boot in the management', but, does anybody seriously think our 1 to 9 is as good as anyone elses. I mean, 2-19, 2-15, 1-13, 3-9, 2-14 and now 3-14... I was worried against Kildare when we conceded 2-19, but to keep this high concession rate going in every league match, it seems odd to me that we have the best backs in the country.
Our first choice back 6 and best goalkeeper Clarke have not started a game together all season Farrandeelin and the black card has also had an affect.
If I was Aidan O'Shea i'd be ringing Ciaran Whelan and asking him what to do about criticism like the above - Jaysis lads the Dubs were destroyed at midfied last night, and we were five points down I think when AOS left the park - it was taking all of McAuley's energy to keep an eye on him and when he left suddenly MDM started running at Mayo.
Don't make the same mistake we made with Whelo, expecting him to do it all, all the time and all alone. At his best o'Shea is awesome, and when he is mediocre he is still a head above most on the pitch.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 30, 2014, 02:33:42 PM
Not having a go at you for 'sticking the boot in the management', but, does anybody seriously think our 1 to 9 is as good as anyone elses. I mean, 2-19, 2-15, 1-13, 3-9, 2-14 and now 3-14... I was worried against Kildare when we conceded 2-19, but to keep this high concession rate going in every league match, it seems odd to me that we have the best backs in the country.
As an aside, I haven't seen Derry at all yet, but they drew with Tyrone (who beat us by 6), and beat Dublin by 6 (who we could only draw with). I cannot get over the sheer condescending manner of which Mayo fans are viewing Derry. And they will come to C'bar high in confidence in getting something too.
Derry will have semi final spot secured after today. The amount Mayo are conceding has to be a concern however you are one win away from reaching the semi final and should have beaten the All Ireland champions last night. Reading over this thread i'd wonder what you Mayo supporters would be like if in division two and not knowing if you are coming or going?
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 30, 2014, 04:34:55 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 30, 2014, 02:33:42 PM
Not having a go at you for 'sticking the boot in the management', but, does anybody seriously think our 1 to 9 is as good as anyone elses. I mean, 2-19, 2-15, 1-13, 3-9, 2-14 and now 3-14... I was worried against Kildare when we conceded 2-19, but to keep this high concession rate going in every league match, it seems odd to me that we have the best backs in the country.
As an aside, I haven't seen Derry at all yet, but they drew with Tyrone (who beat us by 6), and beat Dublin by 6 (who we could only draw with). I cannot get over the sheer condescending manner of which Mayo fans are viewing Derry. And they will come to C'bar high in confidence in getting something too.
Derry will have semi final spot secured after today. The amount Mayo are conceding has to be a concern however you are one win away from reaching the semi final and should have beaten the All Ireland champions last night. Reading over this thread i'd wonder what you Mayo supporters would be like if in division two and not knowing if you are coming or going?
Don't take a look at the comments on mayogaablog.com so, some are discussing who should replace Horan...
Quote from: Tubberman on March 30, 2014, 04:39:36 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 30, 2014, 04:34:55 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 30, 2014, 02:33:42 PM
Not having a go at you for 'sticking the boot in the management', but, does anybody seriously think our 1 to 9 is as good as anyone elses. I mean, 2-19, 2-15, 1-13, 3-9, 2-14 and now 3-14... I was worried against Kildare when we conceded 2-19, but to keep this high concession rate going in every league match, it seems odd to me that we have the best backs in the country.
As an aside, I haven't seen Derry at all yet, but they drew with Tyrone (who beat us by 6), and beat Dublin by 6 (who we could only draw with). I cannot get over the sheer condescending manner of which Mayo fans are viewing Derry. And they will come to C'bar high in confidence in getting something too.
Derry will have semi final spot secured after today. The amount Mayo are conceding has to be a concern however you are one win away from reaching the semi final and should have beaten the All Ireland champions last night. Reading over this thread i'd wonder what you Mayo supporters would be like if in division two and not knowing if you are coming or going?
Don't take a look at the comments on mayogaablog.com so, some are discussing who should replace Horan...
Horan is the best thing to happen to Mayo in years.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 30, 2014, 04:34:55 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 30, 2014, 02:33:42 PM
Not having a go at you for 'sticking the boot in the management', but, does anybody seriously think our 1 to 9 is as good as anyone elses. I mean, 2-19, 2-15, 1-13, 3-9, 2-14 and now 3-14... I was worried against Kildare when we conceded 2-19, but to keep this high concession rate going in every league match, it seems odd to me that we have the best backs in the country.
As an aside, I haven't seen Derry at all yet, but they drew with Tyrone (who beat us by 6), and beat Dublin by 6 (who we could only draw with). I cannot get over the sheer condescending manner of which Mayo fans are viewing Derry. And they will come to C'bar high in confidence in getting something too.
Derry will have semi final spot secured after today. The amount Mayo are conceding has to be a concern however you are one win away from reaching the semi final and should have beaten the All Ireland champions last night. Reading over this thread i'd wonder what you Mayo supporters would be like if in division two and not knowing if you are coming or going?
I'd go into meltdown. ;D
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 30, 2014, 04:49:27 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 30, 2014, 04:34:55 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 30, 2014, 02:33:42 PM
Not having a go at you for 'sticking the boot in the management', but, does anybody seriously think our 1 to 9 is as good as anyone elses. I mean, 2-19, 2-15, 1-13, 3-9, 2-14 and now 3-14... I was worried against Kildare when we conceded 2-19, but to keep this high concession rate going in every league match, it seems odd to me that we have the best backs in the country.
As an aside, I haven't seen Derry at all yet, but they drew with Tyrone (who beat us by 6), and beat Dublin by 6 (who we could only draw with). I cannot get over the sheer condescending manner of which Mayo fans are viewing Derry. And they will come to C'bar high in confidence in getting something too.
Derry will have semi final spot secured after today. The amount Mayo are conceding has to be a concern however you are one win away from reaching the semi final and should have beaten the All Ireland champions last night. Reading over this thread i'd wonder what you Mayo supporters would be like if in division two and not knowing if you are coming or going?
I'd go into meltdown. ;D
Can't imagine division 2 football, would have to wear rubber gloves and a facemask.
Quote from: Tubberman on March 30, 2014, 04:39:36 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 30, 2014, 04:34:55 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 30, 2014, 02:33:42 PM
Not having a go at you for 'sticking the boot in the management', but, does anybody seriously think our 1 to 9 is as good as anyone elses. I mean, 2-19, 2-15, 1-13, 3-9, 2-14 and now 3-14... I was worried against Kildare when we conceded 2-19, but to keep this high concession rate going in every league match, it seems odd to me that we have the best backs in the country.
As an aside, I haven't seen Derry at all yet, but they drew with Tyrone (who beat us by 6), and beat Dublin by 6 (who we could only draw with). I cannot get over the sheer condescending manner of which Mayo fans are viewing Derry. And they will come to C'bar high in confidence in getting something too.
Derry will have semi final spot secured after today. The amount Mayo are conceding has to be a concern however you are one win away from reaching the semi final and should have beaten the All Ireland champions last night. Reading over this thread i'd wonder what you Mayo supporters would be like if in division two and not knowing if you are coming or going?
Don't take a look at the comments on mayogaablog.com so, some are discussing who should replace Horan...
I did last night and can't get my head around it either. Mayo were at a crossroads when he arrived would Mayo have become one of the best sides in Ireland without Horan?
Quote from: easytiger95 on March 30, 2014, 03:28:42 PM
If I was Aidan O'Shea i'd be ringing Ciaran Whelan and asking him what to do about criticism like the above - Jaysis lads the Dubs were destroyed at midfied last night, and we were five points down I think when AOS left the park - it was taking all of McAuley's energy to keep an eye on him and when he left suddenly MDM started running at Mayo.
Don't make the same mistake we made with Whelo, expecting him to do it all, all the time and all alone. At his best o'Shea is awesome, and when he is mediocre he is still a head above most on the pitch.
I agree 100%.
As Mayo supporters we are not allowed to criticise management, but we seem to want to crucify our best players. Padden, McHale, McDonald and now O'Shea - all have seen the benefit the wisdom of the average Mayo supporter.
O'Shea was excellent, his ball winning is superb, having won the ball he always breaks free of the tacklers and his decision making was the main reason we kept the scoreboard ticking over. As EasyTiger says, it was also the reason we stopped playing at the end.
O'Shea took an awful lot of punishment for the team yesterday and despite being the dominant midfielder on view he is roasted by his own. There aren't that many Mayo players that would walk onto the Dublin team, but he would be a cert.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 30, 2014, 04:41:48 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 30, 2014, 04:39:36 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 30, 2014, 04:34:55 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 30, 2014, 02:33:42 PM
Not having a go at you for 'sticking the boot in the management', but, does anybody seriously think our 1 to 9 is as good as anyone elses. I mean, 2-19, 2-15, 1-13, 3-9, 2-14 and now 3-14... I was worried against Kildare when we conceded 2-19, but to keep this high concession rate going in every league match, it seems odd to me that we have the best backs in the country.
As an aside, I haven't seen Derry at all yet, but they drew with Tyrone (who beat us by 6), and beat Dublin by 6 (who we could only draw with). I cannot get over the sheer condescending manner of which Mayo fans are viewing Derry. And they will come to C'bar high in confidence in getting something too.
Derry will have semi final spot secured after today. The amount Mayo are conceding has to be a concern however you are one win away from reaching the semi final and should have beaten the All Ireland champions last night. Reading over this thread i'd wonder what you Mayo supporters would be like if in division two and not knowing if you are coming or going?
Don't take a look at the comments on mayogaablog.com so, some are discussing who should replace Horan...
Horan is the best thing to happen to Mayo in years.
+ 1 mayo are miles ahead of where they were anytime in last 15 years.
Re Mayo gaablog, Willie joe seems like a decent genuine person, they are some intelligent blogers on that site, who provide some interesting points, but there are some real clowns who appear to have graduated from hogan stand university.
points regarding last night, no particular order, and i will preface my comments by saying that I totally respect the effort the players are putting in.
Donal Vaughan, why when in possession does he choose kick the ball into a 50/50 situation, he should watch a video of that game 50 times. If he does not change he should be replaced otherwise opposing teams will just back off him, given his poor kick passing and poor shooting averages.
A O Se, mixed review, MDM only touched the ball twice in the first half, I thought Dublin were being cleaned out at midfield even prior to sending off. why oh why doe A O SE continue to over carry the ball, he is in incredible shape but can only take some many tackles in a game before he is shagged. other teams have to be taking note of this. Do not agree that his subbing was the reason we drew, Parsons caught two kick outs after he was introduced, mistakes were made elsewhere.
Hennelly great shotstopper, but caught off line for first goal, when he had ample coverage. he also blasted a clearance forty yard alone the ground when he had a colleague open six feet away. that led directly to a Dublin point, next series resulted in Dublins second goal. Also got lucky with another shitty clearance in second half. Q why was he kicking ball out long in last twenty mins when we were well ahead and a man up. were dublin continually able to cover our extra man, i would doubt it.
Andy Moran, not sure what to say, a lot of good mixed in with a fair bit of bad. it is now very evident that he no longer possess the speed for the modern game, this was highlighted in second half when he got possession a yard ahead of a dublin back, and instead of heading straight for goal, he checked back and laid the ball off. The arising around at the end of the game, it is maybe okay to pass four or five times laterally, but again with an extra man no excuse for not moving ball forward, in the last ffinn minute three points up. Stupid stupid.
Alan freeman, does more of the blame go to the distributors of the ball, probably, however there seemed to be little or no lateral movement inside, even though we were playing a two man full forward line. if barry moran was full forward it may have worked. Freeman looked like he was out manned,
i have highlighted the negatives/ my concerns.
congrats to both teams for a great game, it was a spectacle. the black card whole not perfect has improved the game in my mind.
Referee, that he was very harsh on mayo in first half, a few very dubious non calls, on particular shoulder into the side of a mayoman as he was attempting to pick up the ball.
Boyle black card deserved, thought Dublin could have got one for tackle on o se in first half and connollys on keegan in second half.
How long before MDM gets the line for lashing out, after he is tackled. he did it twice yesterday, ref choose to ignore, i highlighted this after dublin v kildare game, continues to get away with it. He could have seen straight red twice in the leagues so far.
Bigger Q , the umpire called off a mayo goal when doherty picked the ball off the ground before netting, ref did not see it and gave the goal, then on advice from upmpire disallowed it, Doherty did pick up the ball off the ground, however, what if a player was tripped or held up off the ball while trying to block, assuming the ref does not see it does an umpire now have the power to disallow a score on the basis of his judgement on an event that took place leading up to the score, scary stuff indeed. i think back to the two clowns umpiring the meath v louth leinster final.
Thanks to both teams, I may be wrong , but Mayo better off with a draw than winning by six given the circumstances, their poor passing, and lackluster defense, Dublin may have done them a favor, who knows.
Looking at the highlights, Michael Dara McAuley could have been booked around 4 or 5 times, leading with the elbow so often and throwing digs of the ball.
Haven't seen it back on TV, where Mayo gesturing to the ref to black card players?
Quote from: Tubberman on March 30, 2014, 06:09:34 PM
Looking at the highlights, Michael Dara McAuley could have been booked around 4 or 5 times, leading with the elbow so often and throwing digs of the ball.
It was generally aimed at AOS and without any protection. It was good to see how O'Shea has matured in this regard and took it all without lashing back.
Quote from: Johnnybegood on March 30, 2014, 06:32:48 PM
Haven't seen it back on TV, where Mayo gesturing to the ref to black card players?
i hope not, i hate that shite
BTW, just thought I should mention that I thought the Dubs did magnificently to put Cluxton's stupidity aside and keep plugging away. Even after the second Mayo goal, I knew that if we could just go up the field again, we looked certain to create goal chances.
I thought McManamon's goal was brilliant (doubly so because we can use it as proof that he meant it against Kerry), Costello looks like the real deal (saw him playing Cumann na mbunscoil about 8 years ago, playing midfield and outclassing everyone on the pitch) Al Brogan gave a masterclass for thirty minutes, then did an impression of classic mid noughties Al Brogan by trying to shoot from everywhere, then comes up with the pass of the year to put O'Gara in, and as for the man himself? Well, he is easy to slag (I've done it myself, sad to say) but he gets crucial goals and he actually is the one player to put a smile on my face when I see him coming on - just old school physicality, taking on the nearest man, bullying whoever he can - he's this generation's Vinny Murphy (Vin had more football in him, but O'Gara is a tougher specimen altogether). He reminds of that great description of Colin Corkery - "a JCB coming around a corner at 100 miles an hour".
I wouldn't start him come Champo but what an option to have on the bench. Very happy with last night's work against a team who will be at the top table again this year.
I have to say I was impressed with Costello as well. A real find.
The Dublin full back line was also very impressive, although our final pass was often woeful.
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Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 30, 2014, 04:41:48 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 30, 2014, 04:39:36 PM
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Not having a go at you for 'sticking the boot in the management', but, does anybody seriously think our 1 to 9 is as good as anyone elses. I mean, 2-19, 2-15, 1-13, 3-9, 2-14 and now 3-14... I was worried against Kildare when we conceded 2-19, but to keep this high concession rate going in every league match, it seems odd to me that we have the best backs in the country.
As an aside, I haven't seen Derry at all yet, but they drew with Tyrone (who beat us by 6), and beat Dublin by 6 (who we could only draw with). I cannot get over the sheer condescending manner of which Mayo fans are viewing Derry. And they will come to C'bar high in confidence in getting something too.
Derry will have semi final spot secured after today. The amount Mayo are conceding has to be a concern however you are one win away from reaching the semi final and should have beaten the All Ireland champions last night. Reading over this thread i'd wonder what you Mayo supporters would be like if in division two and not knowing if you are coming or going?
Don't take a look at the comments on mayogaablog.com so, some are discussing who should replace Horan...
Horan is the best thing to happen to Mayo in years.
+ 1 mayo are miles ahead of where they were anytime in last 15 years.
Re Mayo gaablog, Willie joe seems like a decent genuine person, they are some intelligent blogers on that site, who provide some interesting points, but there are some real clowns who appear to have graduated from hogan stand university.
points regarding last night, no particular order, and i will preface my comments by saying that I totally respect the effort the players are putting in.
Donal Vaughan, why when in possession does he choose kick the ball into a 50/50 situation, he should watch a video of that game 50 times. If he does not change he should be replaced otherwise opposing teams will just back off him, given his poor kick passing and poor shooting averages.
A O Se, mixed review, MDM only touched the ball twice in the first half, I thought Dublin were being cleaned out at midfield even prior to sending off. why oh why doe A O SE continue to over carry the ball, he is in incredible shape but can only take some many tackles in a game before he is shagged. other teams have to be taking note of this. Do not agree that his subbing was the reason we drew, Parsons caught two kick outs after he was introduced, mistakes were made elsewhere.
Hennelly great shotstopper, but caught off line for first goal, when he had ample coverage. he also blasted a clearance forty yard alone the ground when he had a colleague open six feet away. that led directly to a Dublin point, next series resulted in Dublins second goal. Also got lucky with another shitty clearance in second half. Q why was he kicking ball out long in last twenty mins when we were well ahead and a man up. were dublin continually able to cover our extra man, i would doubt it.
Andy Moran, not sure what to say, a lot of good mixed in with a fair bit of bad. it is now very evident that he no longer possess the speed for the modern game, this was highlighted in second half when he got possession a yard ahead of a dublin back, and instead of heading straight for goal, he checked back and laid the ball off. The arising around at the end of the game, it is maybe okay to pass four or five times laterally, but again with an extra man no excuse for not moving ball forward, in the last ffinn minute three points up. Stupid stupid.
Alan freeman, does more of the blame go to the distributors of the ball, probably, however there seemed to be little or no lateral movement inside, even though we were playing a two man full forward line. if barry moran was full forward it may have worked. Freeman looked like he was out manned,
i have highlighted the negatives/ my concerns.
congrats to both teams for a great game, it was a spectacle. the black card whole not perfect has improved the game in my mind.
Referee, that he was very harsh on mayo in first half, a few very dubious non calls, on particular shoulder into the side of a mayoman as he was attempting to pick up the ball.
Boyle black card deserved, thought Dublin could have got one for tackle on o se in first half and connollys on keegan in second half.
How long before MDM gets the line for lashing out, after he is tackled. he did it twice yesterday, ref choose to ignore, i highlighted this after dublin v kildare game, continues to get away with it. He could have seen straight red twice in the leagues so far.
Bigger Q , the umpire called off a mayo goal when doherty picked the ball off the ground before netting, ref did not see it and gave the goal, then on advice from upmpire disallowed it, Doherty did pick up the ball off the ground, however, what if a player was tripped or held up off the ball while trying to block, assuming the ref does not see it does an umpire now have the power to disallow a score on the basis of his judgement on an event that took place leading up to the score, scary stuff indeed. i think back to the two clowns umpiring the meath v louth leinster final.
Thanks to both teams, I may be wrong , but Mayo better off with a draw than winning by six given the circumstances, their poor passing, and lackluster defense, Dublin may have done them a favor, who knows.
Only a Mayoman could write that post.
That was a disaster last night for Mayo. How could you lose that game.
They'll be showing replays of that game for years as an example of how not to close a game out.
On us we're not playing great but nothing wrong with our cojones. Coming down the stretch even if we're behind I'd fancy us. But we are trying to do the impossible this year in retaining Sam.
Quote from: INDIANA on March 30, 2014, 07:33:44 PM
Only a Mayoman could write that post.
That was a disaster last night for Mayo. How could you lose that game.
They'll be showing replays of that game for years as an example of how not to close a game out.
On us we're not playing great but nothing wrong with our cojones. Coming down the stretch even if we're behind I'd fancy us. But we are trying to do the impossible this year in retaining Sam.
Wow I agree with most of your post Indiana. Not often that happens.
However on your last point I disagree.
I only see one team capable of beating the Dubs this year and that is us, and only as long as it isn't the Final.
Quote from: muppet on March 30, 2014, 07:36:43 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on March 30, 2014, 07:33:44 PM
Only a Mayoman could write that post.
That was a disaster last night for Mayo. How could you lose that game.
They'll be showing replays of that game for years as an example of how not to close a game out.
On us we're not playing great but nothing wrong with our cojones. Coming down the stretch even if we're behind I'd fancy us. But we are trying to do the impossible this year in retaining Sam.
Wow I agree with most of your post Indiana. Not often that happens.
However on your last point I disagree.
I only see one team capable of beating the Dubs this year and that is us, and only as long as it isn't the Final.
Surprised Horan has any hair left with that Mayo team. You'd have to feel for him. You cannot coach decision making into players who obviously won't bloody well listen to him.
I agree with your sentiments but you should have beaten us well last night.
Just not sure you'd close out an AI final. Not sure Horan is either anymore.
Quote from: INDIANA on March 30, 2014, 07:44:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 30, 2014, 07:36:43 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on March 30, 2014, 07:33:44 PM
Only a Mayoman could write that post.
That was a disaster last night for Mayo. How could you lose that game.
They'll be showing replays of that game for years as an example of how not to close a game out.
On us we're not playing great but nothing wrong with our cojones. Coming down the stretch even if we're behind I'd fancy us. But we are trying to do the impossible this year in retaining Sam.
Wow I agree with most of your post Indiana. Not often that happens.
However on your last point I disagree.
I only see one team capable of beating the Dubs this year and that is us, and only as long as it isn't the Final.
Surprised Horan has any hair left with that Mayo team. You'd have to feel for him. You cannot coach decision making into players who obviously won't bloody well listen to him.
I agree with your sentiments but you should have beaten us well last night.
Just not sure you'd close out an AI final. Not sure Horan is either anymore.
I think he might be better holding up his own hand regarding last year's 2nd half and the defensive match-ups the previous year.
He has done superbly over the last 3 years. But Mayo want to win Sam and ultimately that is the standard required. The problems that need to be addressed to get us over the line are not limited to the players.
What were the postmatch manager interviews like? I imagine Gavin would be his usual calm, composed self. Whereas Horan may be struggling for answers??
Quote from: muppet on March 30, 2014, 07:36:43 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on March 30, 2014, 07:33:44 PM
Only a Mayoman could write that post.
That was a disaster last night for Mayo. How could you lose that game.
They'll be showing replays of that game for years as an example of how not to close a game out.
On us we're not playing great but nothing wrong with our cojones. Coming down the stretch even if we're behind I'd fancy us. But we are trying to do the impossible this year in retaining Sam.
Wow I agree with most of your post Indiana. Not often that happens.
However on your last point I disagree.
I only see one team capable of beating the Dubs this year and that is us, and only as long as it isn't the Final.
Impossible this year in retaining Sam? in fairness not many outstanding teams around. Tyrone,Donegal,Cork,Kerry aren't at the level they were when winning All Ireland's and another Dublin v Mayo final looks the most likely this September.
Horan very upfront, said they were doing crazy things - seemed a little bit shell shocked. As for Gavin, said exactly the same things as he always says, except he also said he had no problem with the red card as Cluxton had clearly tripped him. I'd say there's a few lads out in Donnycarney tonight poring over their dictionaries as to whether it was a trip or a kick. Straight red suggests the umpires told the ref that it was a kick.
Good performance from the umpires last night - they get enough slagging when things go wrong, should acknowledge them when they do things right.
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Quote from: muppet on March 30, 2014, 07:36:43 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on March 30, 2014, 07:33:44 PM
Only a Mayoman could write that post.
That was a disaster last night for Mayo. How could you lose that game.
They'll be showing replays of that game for years as an example of how not to close a game out.
On us we're not playing great but nothing wrong with our cojones. Coming down the stretch even if we're behind I'd fancy us. But we are trying to do the impossible this year in retaining Sam.
Wow I agree with most of your post Indiana. Not often that happens.
However on your last point I disagree.
I only see one team capable of beating the Dubs this year and that is us, and only as long as it isn't the Final.
Impossible this year in retaining Sam? in fairness not many outstanding teams around. Tyrone,Donegal,Cork,Kerry aren't at the level they were when winning All Ireland's and another Dublin v Mayo final looks the most likely this September.
Some of our players look noticeably knackered. I'd say that's a bigger impediment then the standard
Quote from: INDIANA on March 30, 2014, 07:44:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 30, 2014, 07:36:43 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on March 30, 2014, 07:33:44 PM
Only a Mayoman could write that post.
That was a disaster last night for Mayo. How could you lose that game.
They'll be showing replays of that game for years as an example of how not to close a game out.
On us we're not playing great but nothing wrong with our cojones. Coming down the stretch even if we're behind I'd fancy us. But we are trying to do the impossible this year in retaining Sam.
Wow I agree with most of your post Indiana. Not often that happens.
However on your last point I disagree.
I only see one team capable of beating the Dubs this year and that is us, and only as long as it isn't the Final.
Surprised Horan has any hair left with that Mayo team. You'd have to feel for him. You cannot coach decision making into players who obviously won't bloody well listen to him.
I agree with your sentiments but you should have beaten us well last night.
Just not sure you'd close out an AI final. Not sure Horan is either anymore.
I agree with you that this was a disaster.
Not sure I feel for James Horan though. He s done a fantastic job since he came in but the summit seems beyond him.
What I don t understand is how the same players continue to do so called crazy things. It goes beyond individual decision making I believe. Good training and coaching takes alot of the old off the cuff out of the equation.
If Aidan O Shea -who had a horse of a game in many respects- mixed up his bullocking runs with a few fast offloads to the runner on his shoulder we could have won that at a canter. He keeps the opposition honest and guessing, he puts runners away and can go in support or hold. He also takes less timber in contact and lasts longer. He needs to be there for the end game and not in the stand. A bit of an adjustment to his game and everybody benefits. How hard can that be?I d guess where fans' frustration with the player is.
Horan's in a difficult situation now. He is conservative in selection and he probably has a selection and shape of a team in his head that is going to be hard to shake even after last night. A lot of coaches are like that - it is human nature to stick with what you know even if it hasn t worked great in the past.
This leage has raised more questions than it has answered and Horan is in the thick of things. I think we played into Rory O Carrolls hands by having Freeman play as a still target for so much of the game. Meat and drink to the Dub. When Sweeney came in we played dinky ball into the corners with more joy. Why was Freeman not told to work the corners? It was evident early he would get little joy with high ball.
Next week is a must win now for us. We simply have to get back to hq again this spring at least once to play this disaster out of the system. Need to get more of Gallagher and Parsons on the field too. If we keep coming back the same way we ll keep losing in the same way.
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Not having a go at you for 'sticking the boot in the management', but, does anybody seriously think our 1 to 9 is as good as anyone elses. I mean, 2-19, 2-15, 1-13, 3-9, 2-14 and now 3-14... I was worried against Kildare when we conceded 2-19, but to keep this high concession rate going in every league match, it seems odd to me that we have the best backs in the country.
As an aside, I haven't seen Derry at all yet, but they drew with Tyrone (who beat us by 6), and beat Dublin by 6 (who we could only draw with). I cannot get over the sheer condescending manner of which Mayo fans are viewing Derry. And they will come to C'bar high in confidence in getting something too.
Derry will have semi final spot secured after today. The amount Mayo are conceding has to be a concern however you are one win away from reaching the semi final and should have beaten the All Ireland champions last night. Reading over this thread i'd wonder what you Mayo supporters would be like if in division two and not knowing if you are coming or going?
Don't take a look at the comments on mayogaablog.com so, some are discussing who should replace Horan...
Horan is the best thing to happen to Mayo in years.
+ 1 mayo are miles ahead of where they were anytime in last 15 years.
Re Mayo gaablog, Willie joe seems like a decent genuine person, they are some intelligent blogers on that site, who provide some interesting points, but there are some real clowns who appear to have graduated from hogan stand university.
points regarding last night, no particular order, and i will preface my comments by saying that I totally respect the effort the players are putting in.
Donal Vaughan, why when in possession does he choose kick the ball into a 50/50 situation, he should watch a video of that game 50 times. If he does not change he should be replaced otherwise opposing teams will just back off him, given his poor kick passing and poor shooting averages.
A O Se, mixed review, MDM only touched the ball twice in the first half, I thought Dublin were being cleaned out at midfield even prior to sending off. why oh why doe A O SE continue to over carry the ball, he is in incredible shape but can only take some many tackles in a game before he is shagged. other teams have to be taking note of this. Do not agree that his subbing was the reason we drew, Parsons caught two kick outs after he was introduced, mistakes were made elsewhere.
Hennelly great shotstopper, but caught off line for first goal, when he had ample coverage. he also blasted a clearance forty yard alone the ground when he had a colleague open six feet away. that led directly to a Dublin point, next series resulted in Dublins second goal. Also got lucky with another shitty clearance in second half. Q why was he kicking ball out long in last twenty mins when we were well ahead and a man up. were dublin continually able to cover our extra man, i would doubt it.
Andy Moran, not sure what to say, a lot of good mixed in with a fair bit of bad. it is now very evident that he no longer possess the speed for the modern game, this was highlighted in second half when he got possession a yard ahead of a dublin back, and instead of heading straight for goal, he checked back and laid the ball off. The arising around at the end of the game, it is maybe okay to pass four or five times laterally, but again with an extra man no excuse for not moving ball forward, in the last ffinn minute three points up. Stupid stupid.
Alan freeman, does more of the blame go to the distributors of the ball, probably, however there seemed to be little or no lateral movement inside, even though we were playing a two man full forward line. if barry moran was full forward it may have worked. Freeman looked like he was out manned,
i have highlighted the negatives/ my concerns.
congrats to both teams for a great game, it was a spectacle. the black card whole not perfect has improved the game in my mind.
Referee, that he was very harsh on mayo in first half, a few very dubious non calls, on particular shoulder into the side of a mayoman as he was attempting to pick up the ball.
Boyle black card deserved, thought Dublin could have got one for tackle on o se in first half and connollys on keegan in second half.
How long before MDM gets the line for lashing out, after he is tackled. he did it twice yesterday, ref choose to ignore, i highlighted this after dublin v kildare game, continues to get away with it. He could have seen straight red twice in the leagues so far.
Bigger Q , the umpire called off a mayo goal when doherty picked the ball off the ground before netting, ref did not see it and gave the goal, then on advice from upmpire disallowed it, Doherty did pick up the ball off the ground, however, what if a player was tripped or held up off the ball while trying to block, assuming the ref does not see it does an umpire now have the power to disallow a score on the basis of his judgement on an event that took place leading up to the score, scary stuff indeed. i think back to the two clowns umpiring the meath v louth leinster final.
Thanks to both teams, I may be wrong , but Mayo better off with a draw than winning by six given the circumstances, their poor passing, and lackluster defense, Dublin may have done them a favor, who knows.
Only a Mayoman could write that post.
That was a disaster last night for Mayo. How could you lose that game.
They'll be showing replays of that game for years as an example of how not to close a game out.
On us we're not playing great but nothing wrong with our cojones. Coming down the stretch even if we're behind I'd fancy us. But we are trying to do the impossible this year in retaining Sam.
to respond,
i would rather the mayo backs concede 2-2 or whatever it was in the last five mins in March rather than August, they will have learned something from it. similarly, i also don't think we will get caught again doing something as stupid as trying to run out the clock in such a manner. we ended the game without potentially two of our starting backs and potentially both of our midfielders.
i don't think last night was a disaster, we won midfield rather easily, when the shit hit the fan, a few players made some poor choices, that was the difference last night between winning and drawing(not losing). If you believe that mayo will not learn anything from last night, then my post is completely wrong.
I hope you're right joemamas, but we're constantly hearing the same stuff from supporters, hoping they'll learn and it'll right itself later in the year. I have to say that I agree with Indiana. Horan has got us to where no other manager has, but since last September, I don't know if he's the man to lead us to the promised land.
But I'm not looking forward to the day that he goes either. Anyway, I did say Dublin's forwards looked scary...and when Bernard Brogan comes back, God help the rest of the country.
Only thing that beat Dublin this year is themselves
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 30, 2014, 09:37:53 PM
I hope you're right joemamas, but we're constantly hearing the same stuff from supporters, hoping they'll learn and it'll right itself later in the year. I have to say that I agree with Indiana. Horan has got us to where no other manager has, but since last September, I don't know if he's the man to lead us to the promised land.
But I'm not looking forward to the day that he goes either. Anyway, I did say Dublin's forwards looked scary...and when Bernard Brogan comes back, God help the rest of the country.
Don t forget last year Kerry had a chance to take the lead with a minute to go in the semi. We blew the final.
Dublin have got so much going for them though that it is a bad time for us to be challenging for an AI but I suppose there ll always be a Dublin or a Kerry waiting to give us a slap in a final.
The Croke Park factor is huge for them. They play all big games there and it brings out the best in them in big championship games. Croke Park seems to be an issue for us now in finals.
Dublin should win Leinster again without much fuss and can arrive fresh and peaking at the right time. They re in a great position to win again but they can be beaten by 2/3 teams.
I agree with you regarding the learning and it ll be alright later. I don t buy that because it just doesn t happen. In any sport you can t just switch bad habits and good practice on and off just like that. It s part of the package and the crazy stuff as James puts it is part and package of his teams whether he likes it or not.
This is James' 4th league and championship year. His teams have been a joy to watch most of the time and there is no doubt that they play this type of game because that is the way he wants them to play. The personnel have changed very little and some have developed into outstanding footballers and a few are still developing under his tenure.
However the same mistakes are still showing up in Spring year 4. And it s not like several new players are being introduced and teething problems are happening. Sadly it appears that the turnovers, poor shot selection, overcarrying into traffic, bad decision making and failure to get a ff line functoning are part of the DNA of this team. Problems that are endemic in this bunch and if Horan could solve it he would have done so by now so no point being optimistic for later.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 30, 2014, 09:48:41 PM
Only thing that beat Dublin this year is themselves
Maybe but you only have to drop it five percent and 2-3 teams will beat us
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Jaysus, how did Mayo not win that by ten points?
No lessons learned from last year? Hope the QE2 in midfield plays there all summer
Arrah, shag off, will ya; no need to rub it in! ;D
Unfortunately, a lot of others, especially opposing managers and players, will share your sentiments.
Unlike good wine, poor Aidan is not improving with age. Some of his old negative habits are beginning to show again. He's gone back to trying to walk the ball through a gaggle off opposition players and nine times out of ten, he loses possession.
He's not noted for his powers of acceleration, to put it mildly and can't build up a head of stem over a few yards so it's easy enough to gang up on him and turn the ball over.
It's all the more regrettable as he has excellent all around vision and is an excellent distributor as well.
I thought Aidan played well last night except when he decided to take off on one of his runs. On a positive side this can be worked on before the summer. Mayos midfield were better last night. Cillian is not back to match fitness yet, I can see him at 11 during the summer. Our 6 backs from last year haven't started a game together this year hence the high amount of scores conceded. McLoughlin is back playing well again this year. A few players in the wings to come back yet....its only March 30th FFS!
There are a lot of positives to be taken from last night's display but some of the old failings are still there and it's foolish to ignore them. I'm sure JH knows the score better than I do but whether he can address them or not remains to be seen.
Mayo should have won that game.
They were 1-14 to 0-11 ahead with about 6 minutes to go and yet were steeped inn luck to finish up with a draw. I know it's only a league game in March and there's no point in throwing the baby out with the bath water but there's equally no point in assuming that all problems will have been sorted out when the championship starts.
I know Mayo will be far sharper by then but the same can be said of Dublin and every other top side in the land. I'd say Jim Gavin is by far the happier of the mangers after last night's result.
The Dubs lost their captain and mainstay, Stephen Cluxton and had to field without a large number of their first choice fifteen and still came within a whisker of peeing on Mayo's parade.
BTW, I still think Mayo are one of the top five teams in the country and JH is still by far the best Mayo manager I've seen but there's no harm in doing a reality check from time to time and I bet James knows full well the task that lies ahead of him.
Yes, Aidan O'Shea handled a lot of ball but I don't think he made good use of it. There's little or no point in trying to push two or thee opponents out of your way if you could just off load the ball to a better placed and more mobile colleague. I've nothing personal against the man; I just feel that with a little bit more forethought he could be a lot more effective.
Quote from: easytiger95 on March 30, 2014, 08:00:52 PM
Gavin, said exactly the same things as he always says, except he also said he had no problem with the red card as Cluxton had clearly tripped him. I'd say there's a few lads out in Donnycarney tonight poring over their dictionaries as to whether it was a trip or a kick. Straight red suggests the umpires told the ref that it was a kick.
The key issue re Cluxton now is what suspension he gets. If its regarded as
"To kick or attempt to kick an opponent, with minimal force" - its a 4 week ban (cat II).
Or
"To kick an opponent either with force or causing injury" - its an 8 week ban (cat III).
They're minimum bans but given he hasnt been in trouble recently I don't think they'd be extended.
A 4 week bank means he'd miss the semis if Dublin got there. 8 weeks would mean he'd miss the final, if Dubs got there. He'd be back for the championship though either way.
There was talk of changing the suspensions to 1 match for Cat II and 2 matches for Cat III. Not sure if that came in or not? If it did and he got Cat II he would be back for the semis. Or if it was Cat III and 2 match ban and Dubs didnt make the semis, then he'd have to miss the first match of NFL 2015. Papers seems to be talking about time bans, so presumably the match bans didnt come in.
Well my fear about the sloppy goals costing us a win came true ( although I was sure we would lose rather than draw). It's something that has happened in the finals of 2012/2013 and now has started happening in every game in the league so far!! Also our usual lack of composure to close out a tight game or take our goal chances at crucial times is still there for all to see which must drive Horan mad at this stage and for me anyway outweighs many of the positive parts of the performance on Sat night.I did think Aidan O Shea put in a decent shift but is still too slow to move the ball and Mikey Sweeney showed the guile that makes him a good prospect for the summer but in the end the same old failings cost us (and definitely will cost us at the business end of the championship unless we get a huge slice of luck!!) the win against the Dubs.
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Quote from: easytiger95 on March 30, 2014, 08:00:52 PM
Gavin, said exactly the same things as he always says, except he also said he had no problem with the red card as Cluxton had clearly tripped him. I'd say there's a few lads out in Donnycarney tonight poring over their dictionaries as to whether it was a trip or a kick. Straight red suggests the umpires told the ref that it was a kick.
The key issue re Cluxton now is what suspension he gets. If its regarded as
"To kick or attempt to kick an opponent, with minimal force" - its a 4 week ban (cat II).
Or
"To kick an opponent either with force or causing injury" - its an 8 week ban (cat III).
They're minimum bans but given he hasnt been in trouble recently I don't think they'd be extended.
A 4 week bank means he'd miss the semis if Dublin got there. 8 weeks would mean he'd miss the final, if Dubs got there. He'd be back for the championship though either way.
There was talk of changing the suspensions to 1 match for Cat II and 2 matches for Cat III. Not sure if that came in or not? If it did and he got Cat II he would be back for the semis. Or if it was Cat III and 2 match ban and Dubs didnt make the semis, then he'd have to miss the first match of NFL 2015. Papers seems to be talking about time bans, so presumably the match bans didnt come in.
Maybe could be a blessing in disguise as whoever is the backup could desperately do with some meaningful game time in case Cluxton gets injured later on in the year?
QuoteHe has done superbly over the last 3 years. But Mayo want to win Sam and ultimately that is the standard required. The problems that need to be addressed to get us over the line are not limited to the players.
Muppet, that's a fairly sweeping statement.
I was as angry as anyone with the management after the game but on mature reflection I think JH was actually brave with the tactics on Saturday.
The high ball into the FF line worked against Cork but failed against the Dubs. This was the correct time and place to try this direct style. We need to get it working or we will never get across the line. The reason for this is our starting 15 run out of steam with our other tactic which is the blitz running, this turns into a 'rope a dope' scenario where it will only work if we are about 10 points clear against the likes of Dublin. It works grand against other opposition as they also run out of steam.
I'm convinced with Barry Moran in at FF we will be a different side and he will allow the high ball to work and thus allow our half backs and midfield to conserve energy for the last 10 minutes.
Another of the other lessons from Saturday is that we (and every other team) need to stick on a 'niggley' (Kildare term) player in the last 10 minutes to stick like shit to a blanket to MDMC. He was the reason that Dublin got the draw. He created one goal and may have created another (only saw the game once). He has unique stamina and I'd fear for the Dubs if he gets injured this year.
Fair play to JH, he tried a different tactic via a more direct style for the 1st 20mins and it's not his fault the players couldn't execute it this time. Next weeks selection should be interesting.
I'd also like to have seen some other subs coming in other than the usual lads who rarely have an impact.
Quote from: highorlow on March 31, 2014, 09:51:34 AM
QuoteHe has done superbly over the last 3 years. But Mayo want to win Sam and ultimately that is the standard required. The problems that need to be addressed to get us over the line are not limited to the players.
Muppet, that's a fairly sweeping statement.
I was as angry as anyone with the management after the game but on mature reflection I think JH was actually brave with the tactics on Saturday.
The high ball into the FF line worked against Cork but failed against the Dubs. This was the correct time and place to try this direct style. We need to get it working or we will never get across the line. The reason for this is our starting 15 run out of steam with our other tactic which is the blitz running, this turns into a 'rope a dope' scenario where it will only work if we are about 10 points clear against the likes of Dublin. It works grand against other opposition as they also run out of steam.
I'm convinced with Barry Moran in at FF we will be a different side and he will allow the high ball to work and thus allow our half backs and midfield to conserve energy for the last 10 minutes.
Another of the other lessons from Saturday is that we (and every other team) need to stick on a 'niggley' (Kildare term) player in the last 10 minutes to stick like shit to a blanket to MDMC. He was the reason that Dublin got the draw. He created one goal and may have created another (only saw the game once). He has unique stamina and I'd fear for the Dubs if he gets injured this year.
Fair play to JH, he tried a different tactic via a more direct style for the 1st 20mins and it's not his fault the players couldn't execute it this time. Next weeks selection should be interesting.
I'd also like to have seen some other subs coming in other than the usual lads who rarely have an impact.
Anyone that's still trying to get Freeman out of the side has some serious blinders on them.
Moran is a midfielder and a lot of teams would love to see ye playing one of your best midfielder as a ball batter around the square. If the game was that easy Cork would have won a dozen All-Irelands with Nic Murphy around the square.
QuoteAnyone that's still trying to get Freeman out of the side has some serious blinders on them.
Who said that?
You must have missed the club championship and in particular the game against Crokes.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 30, 2014, 09:37:53 PM
I hope you're right joemamas, but we're constantly hearing the same stuff from supporters, hoping they'll learn and it'll right itself later in the year. I have to say that I agree with Indiana. Horan has got us to where no other manager has, but since last September, I don't know if he's the man to lead us to the promised land.
But I'm not looking forward to the day that he goes either. Anyway, I did say Dublin's forwards looked scary...and when Bernard Brogan comes back, God help the rest of the country.
Don t forget last year Kerry had a chance to take the lead with a minute to go in the semi. We blew the final.
Dublin have got so much going for them though that it is a bad time for us to be challenging for an AI but I suppose there ll always be a Dublin or a Kerry waiting to give us a slap in a final.
The Croke Park factor is huge for them. They play all big games there and it brings out the best in them in big championship games. Croke Park seems to be an issue for us now in finals.
Dublin should win Leinster again without much fuss and can arrive fresh and peaking at the right time. They re in a great position to win again but they can be beaten by 2/3 teams.
Moysider, interested to read your comments. I know we've won two All Ireland in 3 years, but people seem to forget that for 16 years Croke Park was a huge burden to us, a place where we were so often exposed. Along with players, development etc (all important of course) one of the biggest shifts for Dublin was in their mental attitude - a majority of the 2011 panel had been taking semi final and quarter final beatings (some even Leinster semi final beatings!!) for the entire noughties. Gilroy and Gavin changed the mental attitude of the squad and you can see the results.
Point being, you can bemoan the quality of player upfront for Mayo all you want - BUT - mental attitudes can be changed and adjusted. The bernard Brogan of 2010/2011/2013 is a different creature from the Berno of 2007. You guys need to work with what you have - you are 90% there - the few inches between the ears is the last step to take.
Question, I thought MDMA looked like he has been enjoying a few too many steak dinners, maybe carrying a bit more timber than last year, anyone else think this? He looked very slow and ponderous
Quote from: easytiger95 on March 31, 2014, 11:26:52 AM
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 30, 2014, 09:37:53 PM
I hope you're right joemamas, but we're constantly hearing the same stuff from supporters, hoping they'll learn and it'll right itself later in the year. I have to say that I agree with Indiana. Horan has got us to where no other manager has, but since last September, I don't know if he's the man to lead us to the promised land.
But I'm not looking forward to the day that he goes either. Anyway, I did say Dublin's forwards looked scary...and when Bernard Brogan comes back, God help the rest of the country.
Don t forget last year Kerry had a chance to take the lead with a minute to go in the semi. We blew the final.
Dublin have got so much going for them though that it is a bad time for us to be challenging for an AI but I suppose there ll always be a Dublin or a Kerry waiting to give us a slap in a final.
The Croke Park factor is huge for them. They play all big games there and it brings out the best in them in big championship games. Croke Park seems to be an issue for us now in finals.
Dublin should win Leinster again without much fuss and can arrive fresh and peaking at the right time. They re in a great position to win again but they can be beaten by 2/3 teams.
Moysider, interested to read your comments. I know we've won two All Ireland in 3 years, but people seem to forget that for 16 years Croke Park was a huge burden to us, a place where we were so often exposed. Along with players, development etc (all important of course) one of the biggest shifts for Dublin was in their mental attitude - a majority of the 2011 panel had been taking semi final and quarter final beatings (some even Leinster semi final beatings!!) for the entire noughties. Gilroy and Gavin changed the mental attitude of the squad and you can see the results.
Point being, you can bemoan the quality of player upfront for Mayo all you want - BUT - mental attitudes can be changed and adjusted. The bernard Brogan of 2010/2011/2013 is a different creature from the Berno of 2007. You guys need to work with what you have - you are 90% there - the few inches between the ears is the last step to take.
Jaysus that kind of clinical level headed analysis is almost bodering in being blasphemous to true manly morals of the GAA Easytiger ;D ;D . Not a word of a marquee forward anywhere in those paragraphs!! Pateen will out to get you for sure! ;D ;D
Seriously though it's obvious that this current Mayo team suffers badly from a severe lack of compsure down the stretch and in front of goal when the pressure comes on. Also consistency of performance from our front men is another problem (again composure under pressure leads to this) as well I think as on our day we could take out any of the big teams but you need 2 ( and probably three) big performances to land Sam and we haven't been able to do that yet. Mine and most Mayo fans worry is Horan has tried (through tactics and personnel switches) to cure this and while he has maybe reduced the amount of times this happens he still hasn't solved it which leaves us with more heartbreak headding our way!! Still though I will enjoy the journey and this team at least gives us the hope that they will overcome their demons or die with their boots on trying!
i always think back to 95 and the heartbreak that team went through - probably as bad a run as any county team ever had - 91, 92, 93, 94 - it nearly killed them but they got there in the end. It took real mental strength to do it. That is not something Dublin have a monopoly on - and if you think back to 2006 against Mayo it was the one thing we were accused of lacking. It can come good for Mayo ( I just hope it doesn't happen against the Dubs! ;D0
Quote from: highorlow on March 31, 2014, 10:49:46 AM
QuoteAnyone that's still trying to get Freeman out of the side has some serious blinders on them.
Who said that?
You must have missed the club championship and in particular the game against Crokes.
Saw pretty much all of Castlebar's games since the Mayo county final. Moran worked well at FF in the Crokes game but he was anonymous in the Vincent's game and would have been much more useful to his team out around the middle.
If you're starting Moran at FF you're either subbing out or moving Freeman. I would love to see that happening if we were to meet in June.
There was no problem with Cillian O'Connor's composure in front of the posts down the stretch. 2 points from 2 shots. However it is hard to score when you play keep ball across the half-back line for 2 minutes. As any niywit knows, a turnover there, when your defenders are trying to get free to keep the ball, freqently ends up with a green flag.
Quote from: aontroim abu on March 31, 2014, 11:43:08 AM
Question, I thought MDMA looked like he has been enjoying a few too many steak dinners, maybe carrying a bit more timber than last year, anyone else think this? He looked very slow and ponderous
In my opinion it was Mc Caffrey who won that game for the Dubs, brought a different intensity to it, as for us, lessons, it seems are not being learned, summed up by bringing a man on, who has being tried before and hasn't cut the mustard, can't train with the team as he is abroad through work and when it is back to the wall stuff on he comes, why in the name of Christ, can we not close out a game? Also, What in the name of f%*k must our minors, who were looking on on Saturday night be thinking about getting a run in this team. Give the youth a chance, we have some deadwood on that team, both playing and in the subs. Look at Clare in the AI last year, given the chance, youth can flourish....and yes i am still raging with that performance on Saturday night.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 30, 2014, 09:37:53 PM
I hope you're right joemamas, but we're constantly hearing the same stuff from supporters, hoping they'll learn and it'll right itself later in the year. I have to say that I agree with Indiana. Horan has got us to where no other manager has, but since last September, I don't know if he's the man to lead us to the promised land.
But I'm not looking forward to the day that he goes either. Anyway, I did say Dublin's forwards looked scary...and when Bernard Brogan comes back, God help the rest of the country.
Don t forget last year Kerry had a chance to take the lead with a minute to go in the semi. We blew the final.
Dublin have got so much going for them though that it is a bad time for us to be challenging for an AI but I suppose there ll always be a Dublin or a Kerry waiting to give us a slap in a final.
The Croke Park factor is huge for them. They play all big games there and it brings out the best in them in big championship games. Croke Park seems to be an issue for us now in finals.
Dublin should win Leinster again without much fuss and can arrive fresh and peaking at the right time. They re in a great position to win again but they can be beaten by 2/3 teams.
Moysider, interested to read your comments. I know we've won two All Ireland in 3 years, but people seem to forget that for 16 years Croke Park was a huge burden to us, a place where we were so often exposed. Along with players, development etc (all important of course) one of the biggest shifts for Dublin was in their mental attitude - a majority of the 2011 panel had been taking semi final and quarter final beatings (some even Leinster semi final beatings!!) for the entire noughties. Gilroy and Gavin changed the mental attitude of the squad and you can see the results.
Point being, you can bemoan the quality of player upfront for Mayo all you want - BUT - mental attitudes can be changed and adjusted. The bernard Brogan of 2010/2011/2013 is a different creature from the Berno of 2007. You guys need to work with what you have - you are 90% there - the few inches between the ears is the last step to take.
I disagree, while psychology is of course a very important component of every team I don't think it is an issue for this Mayo squad and it wasn't a real issue for Dublin pre-Gilroy. Of course players will reference it when they lose as they aren't going to say (or want to think) they simply aren't good enough so the search for other excuses. The Dublin team that suffered serious hammerings against Kerry and Tyrone were a long way shy of the current Dublin team. They lacked the quality to beat the very best and Mayo probably do to, though they are better than that Dublin team.
On the criticism of O'Se, well I'd strongly disagree with that and I thought he played very well on Saturday. I'm a broken record on this point but I think Mayo 1-9 can go toe to toe with anyone but 10-15 are not as good as a few of the 10-15's in the teams they'll need to beat to win Sam. Mayo will, IMO, need to come up with a tactic to address this or hope the forwards can find a rich vein of form at the business end of the championship.
It's March. The result of this game won't matter a damn once the Championship starts. Eugene McGee wrote in today's Indo that Mayo are psychologically damaged because they didn't beat Dublin on Saturday. If Mayo did win and were playing Dublin again in the Championship, do you think Eugene would say this win on Saturday would be the difference between the teams? Not at all.
Mayo went to sleep because, with Cluxton gone, they thought Dublin's chance was gone with him. Mayo got caught napping, fair enough. But it's not like Mayo don't live to fight another day. It's not like there's any county in the country who fancy playing Mayo in the summer if they can help it. I'd be happy enough to include Dublin in that too.
Right now Mayo can go toe-to-toe with the best teams in the country - what more do people want? What more can people ask for? Things aren't so bad really, you know.
Zulu, a lot of the team in 2011 were part of the failed Pillar years - and most of them were there in 2009 disguised as startled earwigs. Gilroy changed his own approach big style in 2010. I remember that year Berno being interviewed about the difference and he said gilroy was a lot clearer about what he wanted and everyone knew their role - the implication was that Gilroy was no longer putting up with a lot of things that were a holdover from the previous management (not that I'm slagging Caffrey, he was unfortunate in a lot of ways).
I think for players like Berno, Alan Brogan, Denis Bastick, Barry Cahill, Brian Cullen, Ger Brennan, Diarmuid Connolly, who had all played before he came in, he made a huge difference. Even if you look at players that he essentially replaced, you couldn't really argue that Mick Fitz was a better corner back than Paul Griffin - but under the new system he prospered. Ditto for Whelo and Shane Ryan - we thought they were huge losses at the time, but we managed without them.
Pyschology is a huge part of management - I think Gilroy, with the help of Mickey Whelan, was able to improve the performance of a number of players and that made a big difference in our breakthrough.
I'm not saying it doesn't easytiger95, there are a number of components which feed into a teams performance but neither Tyrone or Kerry were as strong in 2011 as they were in the mid 2000's and Bernard Brogan, Connolly and Brennan were getting better each year. Gilroy also set Dublin up a lot better than Caffrey which helped and Gavin now has serious talent at his disposal. All I'm saying is fewer of the Dublin players would have made the Kerry or Tyrone teams pre-2010 than post 2010, now others look at Dublin and ask how many of our lads would make their team?
I just don't think Mayo have genuine psychological issues with Croke Park, no more than Dublin did. Lads ask why certain players can't perform on the big days but most of the time it's the same reason good club players can't perform at IC level, they just don't have it.
I hope I'm wrong and Mayo can win it all but I fear they'll lose out against the very best again.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on March 31, 2014, 08:55:19 PM
It's March. The result of this game won't matter a damn once the Championship starts. Eugene McGee wrote in today's Indo that Mayo are psychologically damaged because they didn't beat Dublin on Saturday. If Mayo did win and were playing Dublin again in the Championship, do you think Eugene would say this win on Saturday would be the difference between the teams? Not at all.
Mayo went to sleep because, with Cluxton gone, they thought Dublin's chance was gone with him. Mayo got caught napping, fair enough. But it's not like Mayo don't live to fight another day. It's not like there's any county in the country who fancy playing Mayo in the summer if they can help it. I'd be happy enough to include Dublin in that too.
Right now Mayo can go toe-to-toe with the best teams in the country - what more do people want? What more can people ask for? Things aren't so bad really, you know.
Rubbish ..........Mayo had Dublin bet even with Cluxton on the field (I really didnt know he was scoring goals these days) and they had a great chance to murder them and rack up a 10 + score win
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 31, 2014, 09:35:33 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on March 31, 2014, 08:55:19 PM
It's March. The result of this game won't matter a damn once the Championship starts. Eugene McGee wrote in today's Indo that Mayo are psychologically damaged because they didn't beat Dublin on Saturday. If Mayo did win and were playing Dublin again in the Championship, do you think Eugene would say this win on Saturday would be the difference between the teams? Not at all.
Mayo went to sleep because, with Cluxton gone, they thought Dublin's chance was gone with him. Mayo got caught napping, fair enough. But it's not like Mayo don't live to fight another day. It's not like there's any county in the country who fancy playing Mayo in the summer if they can help it. I'd be happy enough to include Dublin in that too.
Right now Mayo can go toe-to-toe with the best teams in the country - what more do people want? What more can people ask for? Things aren't so bad really, you know.
Rubbish ..........Mayo had Dublin bet even with Cluxton on the field (I really didnt know he was scoring goals these days) and they had a great chance to murder them and rack up a 10 + score win
Sorry Squire, you've lost me. Don't you mean that the other way around?
I have never seen so much crap written about a friggin league match in March. I'd expect nothing less from that flute McGee but some Mayo people are really loosing the run of themselves. This time last year Dublin bate Mayo handy in the league and again the league semi. It didn't matter one iota to how the season panned out. This year we draw with them and its the end of the world.
But it's the usual auld shite from Mayo 'supporters'. Always looking at the negatives. We draw with the the all Ireland champions and secure division one status, but no, not good enough should have laid down a marker or some such bullshit. I remember Tyrone beating Mayo in Castlebar last year with a last minute goal. The same nonsense going on. Did this loss make one bit of difference in the all Ireland semi last year. Did it fcuk.
As for the shite talk about Aidan O'Shea. I'd find it unbelievable if I hadn't seen it so many times before in Mayo. It alway follows the same line. Pick one of your best players, if he's a bit flash all the better. Keep mouthing about how bad he is and totally ignore what going on before your eyes. You don't want these bucks getting to uppity. That's not Mayo. If he's a mid fielder all the better because he's hardly going to win every ball and you can focus on the ones he loses out on. Aidan put in a savage shift the last day and left everything on the pitch like he does everyday. He is probably Mayo's most influential player at the moment and for my money is one of the best midfielders in the country
Quote from: criostlinn on March 31, 2014, 09:59:43 PM
I have never seen so much crap written about a friggin league match in March. I'd expect nothing less from that flute McGee but some Mayo people are really loosing the run of themselves. This time last year Dublin bate Mayo handy in the league and again the league semi. It didn't matter one iota to how the season panned out. This year we draw with them and its the end of the world.
But it's the usual auld shite from Mayo 'supporters'. Always looking at the negatives. We draw with the the all Ireland champions and secure division one status, but no, not good enough should have laid down a marker or some such bullshit. I remember Tyrone beating Mayo in Castlebar last year with a last minute goal. The same nonsense going on. Did this loss make one bit of difference in the all Ireland semi last year. Did it fcuk.
As for the shite talk about Aidan O'Shea. I'd find it unbelievable if I hadn't seen it so many times before in Mayo. It alway follows the same line. Pick one of your best players, if he's a bit flash all the better. Keep mouthing about how bad he is and totally ignore what going on before your eyes. You don't want these bucks getting to uppity. That's not Mayo. If he's a mid fielder all the better because he's hardly going to win every ball and you can focus on the ones he loses out on. Aidan put in a savage shift the last day and left everything on the pitch like he does everyday. He is probably Mayo's most influential player at the moment and for my money is one of the best midfielders in the country
Think about those couple of lines CrÃostlinn.
*Sighs...
But anyway...I'm pessimistic by nature and no dressing up/down will change me at this stage. We drew with the All-Ireland Champions in Croker, we know that, but I mean really, we should have closed the game out and gone on and used our extra man to better effect in the last 5 minutes or so. No, we start passing the ball and play 'keep the ball' with 2 minutes to go on our own 45 m line when we were a goal up. Not good enough in my opinion.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 31, 2014, 10:26:59 PM
*Sighs...
But anyway...I'm pessimistic by nature and no dressing up/down will change me at this stage. We drew with the All-Ireland Champions in Croker, we know that, but I mean really, we should have closed the game out and gone on and used our extra man to better effect in the last 5 minutes or so. No, we start passing the ball and play 'keep the ball' with 2 minutes to go on our own 45 m line when we were a goal up. Not good enough in my opinion.
Why do some Mayo supporters think it is ok to:
a) agree with the above
&
b) blame Aiden O'Shea who wasn't even on the pitch at the time?
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on March 31, 2014, 08:09:31 PM
Quote from: aontroim abu on March 31, 2014, 11:43:08 AM
Question, I thought MDMA looked like he has been enjoying a few too many steak dinners, maybe carrying a bit more timber than last year, anyone else think this? He looked very slow and ponderous
In my opinion it was Mc Caffrey who won that game for the Dubs, brought a different intensity to it, as for us, lessons, it seems are not being learned, summed up by bringing a man on, who has being tried before and hasn't cut the mustard, can't train with the team as he is abroad through work and when it is back to the wall stuff on he comes, why in the name of Christ, can we not close out a game? Also, What in the name of f%*k must our minors, who were looking on on Saturday night be thinking about getting a run in this team. Give the youth a chance, we have some deadwood on that team, both playing and in the subs. Look at Clare in the AI last year, given the chance, youth can flourish....and yes i am still raging with that performance on Saturday night.
Minors? They d get killed. Did you not see the state of even our U21 recently against Roscommon. Beaten up. There is only one U21 with something to offer not in the squad already. The rest will take a while yet to be weaned.
Is there much deadwood around the panel do you think. I can only come up with 1 really about the panel.
Quote from: moysider on March 31, 2014, 10:39:25 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on March 31, 2014, 08:09:31 PM
Quote from: aontroim abu on March 31, 2014, 11:43:08 AM
Question, I thought MDMA looked like he has been enjoying a few too many steak dinners, maybe carrying a bit more timber than last year, anyone else think this? He looked very slow and ponderous
In my opinion it was Mc Caffrey who won that game for the Dubs, brought a different intensity to it, as for us, lessons, it seems are not being learned, summed up by bringing a man on, who has being tried before and hasn't cut the mustard, can't train with the team as he is abroad through work and when it is back to the wall stuff on he comes, why in the name of Christ, can we not close out a game? Also, What in the name of f%*k must our minors, who were looking on on Saturday night be thinking about getting a run in this team. Give the youth a chance, we have some deadwood on that team, both playing and in the subs. Look at Clare in the AI last year, given the chance, youth can flourish....and yes i am still raging with that performance on Saturday night.
Minors? They d get killed. Did you not see the state of even our U21 recently against Roscommon. Beaten up. There is only one U21 with something to offer not in the squad already. The rest will take a while yet to be weaned.
Is there much deadwood around the panel do you think. I can only come up with 1 really about the panel.
It is very harsh to talk about deadwood. These guys give up a huge amount of their lives for the cause.
However it is not unreasonable for supporters to be upset about throwing away a match like we did on saturday. If I thought we would learn it wouldn't bother me in the least as the 'it is only March' line would apply. But I don't think we will learn.
Quote from: muppet on March 31, 2014, 10:21:30 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on March 31, 2014, 09:59:43 PM
I have never seen so much crap written about a friggin league match in March. I'd expect nothing less from that flute McGee but some Mayo people are really loosing the run of themselves. This time last year Dublin bate Mayo handy in the league and again the league semi. It didn't matter one iota to how the season panned out. This year we draw with them and its the end of the world.
But it's the usual auld shite from Mayo 'supporters'. Always looking at the negatives. We draw with the the all Ireland champions and secure division one status, but no, not good enough should have laid down a marker or some such bullshit. I remember Tyrone beating Mayo in Castlebar last year with a last minute goal. The same nonsense going on. Did this loss make one bit of difference in the all Ireland semi last year. Did it fcuk.
As for the shite talk about Aidan O'Shea. I'd find it unbelievable if I hadn't seen it so many times before in Mayo. It alway follows the same line. Pick one of your best players, if he's a bit flash all the better. Keep mouthing about how bad he is and totally ignore what going on before your eyes. You don't want these bucks getting to uppity. That's not Mayo. If he's a mid fielder all the better because he's hardly going to win every ball and you can focus on the ones he loses out on. Aidan put in a savage shift the last day and left everything on the pitch like he does everyday. He is probably Mayo's most influential player at the moment and for my money is one of the best midfielders in the country
Think about those couple of lines CrÃostlinn.
Do you really think them two games had any bearing on what happened later in the year. And if you does this not indicate that after last Saturday we are in a far better place then this time last year
And yet, as soon as we get a goal we concede one, lads trying to kick glory points with a forward running beside them, then with the quick out against us, they are out of position and we are wide open in the MF and HB division.....unable to close out a game, experienced men/ leaders panicking when cool heads are required, ball constantly turned over between the HB and HF line.....
Not much point scoring 2-17 and conceding 3-14 at the other end.............
These problems have being there since this time last year, it cost us an AI and yet the management or team are unable to fix these issues, instead we bring back lads who have being tried and tested before and now they are jumping ahead as subs 16,17,18....while our all- Ireland winning minor team are sitting at home not gaining any experience..........
We have not improved since last year, we have stayed the same, while the Dubs push on, keep the heads and i am sure they are disappointed not to have won the man with 14 men.....................
Quote from: muppet on March 31, 2014, 10:34:06 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 31, 2014, 10:26:59 PM
*Sighs...
But anyway...I'm pessimistic by nature and no dressing up/down will change me at this stage. We drew with the All-Ireland Champions in Croker, we know that, but I mean really, we should have closed the game out and gone on and used our extra man to better effect in the last 5 minutes or so. No, we start passing the ball and play 'keep the ball' with 2 minutes to go on our own 45 m line when we were a goal up. Not good enough in my opinion.
Why do some Mayo supporters think it is ok to:
a) agree with the above
&
b) blame Aiden O'Shea who wasn't even on the pitch at the time?
Aiden O Shea played fantastically well last Saturday night but why does he carry the ball into contact with free men around him? I think its an ego thing at this stage. He's a great player but when is going to start playing for the guys around him and not himself.
Why would you play around with the ball on the halfway line when you're 3 points up?
Think about it - dublin can only score a goal to get anything from the game. There would be some merit to it if only a point up whereby any loose pass could result in an equaliser- but three points up? No way.
Play it as far away from your own goal as possible and if you turn it over the entire team just needs to get back to the 14 and there is no way Dublin would have scored a goal. None.
My fear for Mayo is these guys have reached the highest level of the game for a top county and still make elementary errors when under the cosh.
If you want to watch the difference between the current Dublin and Mayo teams watch the last 7 minutes of the 2011 final. Currently Mayo wouldn't close out a game like that.
This could be it for a lot of these Mayo players. Its a year where you have a tired Dublin and no other outstanding team. Its a great opportunity for Mayo but you wouldn't put any money on them cutting out the basic errors that are crucifying them,
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on March 31, 2014, 11:09:50 PM
And yet, as soon as we get a goal we concede one, lads trying to kick glory points with a forward running beside them, then with the quick out against us, they are out of position and we are wide open in the MF and HB division.....unable to close out a game, experienced men/ leaders panicking when cool heads are required, ball constantly turned over between the HB and HF line.....
Not much point scoring 2-17 and conceding 3-14 at the other end.............
These problems have being there since this time last year, it cost us an AI and yet the management or team are unable to fix these issues, instead we bring back lads who have being tried and tested before and now they are jumping ahead as subs 16,17,18....while our all- Ireland winning minor team are sitting at home not gaining any experience..........
We have not improved since last year, we have stayed the same, while the Dubs push on, keep the heads and i am sure they are disappointed not to have won the man with 14 men.....................
Forget about AI winning minor teams for a start. It has no relevance at this level. U21 manager is now being torn apart for playing a few of last year's minors at U21 level. They were destroyed by a more mature Roscommon team. And you want to play them against Dublin/Kerry/ Cork/ Tyrone/ Derry seniors! For Gods sake! That is just ridiculous. This is not the stage to give 18 year old kids experience. A minor AI is lovely but very few of those will ever have what it takes to play senior never mind now. You ve had a cut at Parsons. Yet there was nobody around the middle on that minor that would be even close to Parson s ability at that age. Parson s was always a class act and should never have been out of the loop. In the sad Johnno years he managed to be good enough to play for his country.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 01, 2014, 12:03:04 AM
Quote from: muppet on March 31, 2014, 10:34:06 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 31, 2014, 10:26:59 PM
*Sighs...
But anyway...I'm pessimistic by nature and no dressing up/down will change me at this stage. We drew with the All-Ireland Champions in Croker, we know that, but I mean really, we should have closed the game out and gone on and used our extra man to better effect in the last 5 minutes or so. No, we start passing the ball and play 'keep the ball' with 2 minutes to go on our own 45 m line when we were a goal up. Not good enough in my opinion.
Why do some Mayo supporters think it is ok to:
a) agree with the above
&
b) blame Aiden O'Shea who wasn't even on the pitch at the time?
Aiden O Shea played fantastically well last Saturday night but why does he carry the ball into contact with free men around him? I think its an ego thing at this stage. He's a great player but when is going to start playing for the guys around him and not himself.
Why would you play around with the ball on the halfway line when you're 3 points up?
Think about it - dublin can only score a goal to get anything from the game. There would be some merit to it if only a point up whereby any loose pass could result in an equaliser- but three points up? No way.
Play it as far away from your own goal as possible and if you turn it over the entire team just needs to get back to the 14 and there is no way Dublin would have scored a goal. None.
My fear for Mayo is these guys have reached the highest level of the game for a top county and still make elementary errors when under the cosh.
If you want to watch the difference between the current Dublin and Mayo teams watch the last 7 minutes of the 2011 final. Currently Mayo wouldn't close out a game like that.
This could be it for a lot of these Mayo players. Its a year where you have a tired Dublin and no other outstanding team. Its a great opportunity for Mayo but you wouldn't put any money on them cutting out the basic errors that are crucifying them,
You re bloody reading my mail. You ve nailed it there.
Ye have a fine team Mayo buckos, there are 2 players though that I wouldnt start and thats Vaughan and Andy Moran, we will take Aidan OShea off ye, some of the horse shite spoke about him by his own county men is shameful
QuoteIf I thought we would learn it wouldn't bother me in the least as the 'it is only March' line would apply. But I don't think we will learn.
I'm going along with the 'it is only March' line for the simple reason that even playing with mistakes like we made on Saturday will be enough to beat every other team around and get us to the AI final again.
It they can learn for just one match next year it will be enough. Saturday's game will be a blessing in disguise come the championship. I fear for Derry on Sunday, it will be a demolition job by us.
Quote from: highorlow on April 01, 2014, 09:29:16 AM
QuoteIf I thought we would learn it wouldn't bother me in the least as the 'it is only March' line would apply. But I don't think we will learn.
I'm going along with the 'it is only March' line for the simple reason that even playing with mistakes like we made on Saturday will be enough to beat every other team around and get us to the AI final again.
It they can learn for just one match next year it will be enough. Saturday's game will be a blessing in disguise come the championship. I fear for Derry on Sunday, it will be a demolition job by us.
Why would Derry be fearful, they've been producing the more consistent performances throughout the league.
They're already through to the semi-finals and that's the only reason that they might not be fully up for this match.
I think this will be a very tough battle, we always find Derry a difficult team to play against, they're very big physically and can always score from distance.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 01, 2014, 12:03:04 AM
Quote from: muppet on March 31, 2014, 10:34:06 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 31, 2014, 10:26:59 PM
*Sighs...
But anyway...I'm pessimistic by nature and no dressing up/down will change me at this stage. We drew with the All-Ireland Champions in Croker, we know that, but I mean really, we should have closed the game out and gone on and used our extra man to better effect in the last 5 minutes or so. No, we start passing the ball and play 'keep the ball' with 2 minutes to go on our own 45 m line when we were a goal up. Not good enough in my opinion.
Why do some Mayo supporters think it is ok to:
a) agree with the above
&
b) blame Aiden O'Shea who wasn't even on the pitch at the time?
Aiden O Shea played fantastically well last Saturday night but why does he carry the ball into contact with free men around him? I think its an ego thing at this stage. He's a great player but when is going to start playing for the guys around him and not himself.
Why would you play around with the ball on the halfway line when you're 3 points up?
Think about it - dublin can only score a goal to get anything from the game. There would be some merit to it if only a point up whereby any loose pass could result in an equaliser- but three points up? No way.
Play it as far away from your own goal as possible and if you turn it over the entire team just needs to get back to the 14 and there is no way Dublin would have scored a goal. None.
My fear for Mayo is these guys have reached the highest level of the game for a top county and still make elementary errors when under the cosh.
If you want to watch the difference between the current Dublin and Mayo teams watch the last 7 minutes of the 2011 final. Currently Mayo wouldn't close out a game like that.
This could be it for a lot of these Mayo players. Its a year where you have a tired Dublin and no other outstanding team. Its a great opportunity for Mayo but you wouldn't put any money on them cutting out the basic errors that are crucifying them,
I can agree with everything you say but I'd qualify "fantastically well," if you know what I mean.
I think AOS handled the ball quite a lot on Saturday and he played himself to a standstill but in the end, he achieved relatively little. A bit like shaving a pig; lost of huffing and puffing, effing and blinding but very little to show for all the effort involved.
I know he's a pretty intelligent , well-spoken lad and he should be the first to realise, metaphorically speaking, that dying for the cause is all very well but living to fight for it males a hell of a lot more sense.
A bit less effort and a lot more cuteness is called for.
He is one of the most experienced intercounty players around and he possesses loads of innate talent and that's makes his selfish behaviour so baffling. It's not as if he's the only one who is making elementary mistakes and I think the malaise starts on the sideline.
It's very noticeable that since the league began, James H goes into detail to criticise his team's performance after every game.
I don't recall any other manager who is keen to highlight his own side's shortcomings. If there are problems with O'Shea's attitude, it's up to Horan to do something about it. I don't often find reason to criticise Horan's way of doing things but this is one of those times.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 01, 2014, 11:41:11 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 01, 2014, 12:03:04 AM
Quote from: muppet on March 31, 2014, 10:34:06 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 31, 2014, 10:26:59 PM
*Sighs...
But anyway...I'm pessimistic by nature and no dressing up/down will change me at this stage. We drew with the All-Ireland Champions in Croker, we know that, but I mean really, we should have closed the game out and gone on and used our extra man to better effect in the last 5 minutes or so. No, we start passing the ball and play 'keep the ball' with 2 minutes to go on our own 45 m line when we were a goal up. Not good enough in my opinion.
Why do some Mayo supporters think it is ok to:
a) agree with the above
&
b) blame Aiden O'Shea who wasn't even on the pitch at the time?
Aiden O Shea played fantastically well last Saturday night but why does he carry the ball into contact with free men around him? I think its an ego thing at this stage. He's a great player but when is going to start playing for the guys around him and not himself.
Why would you play around with the ball on the halfway line when you're 3 points up?
Think about it - dublin can only score a goal to get anything from the game. There would be some merit to it if only a point up whereby any loose pass could result in an equaliser- but three points up? No way.
Play it as far away from your own goal as possible and if you turn it over the entire team just needs to get back to the 14 and there is no way Dublin would have scored a goal. None.
My fear for Mayo is these guys have reached the highest level of the game for a top county and still make elementary errors when under the cosh.
If you want to watch the difference between the current Dublin and Mayo teams watch the last 7 minutes of the 2011 final. Currently Mayo wouldn't close out a game like that.
This could be it for a lot of these Mayo players. Its a year where you have a tired Dublin and no other outstanding team. Its a great opportunity for Mayo but you wouldn't put any money on them cutting out the basic errors that are crucifying them,
I can agree with everything you say but I'd qualify "fantastically well," if you know what I mean.
I think AOS handled the ball quite a lot on Saturday and he played himself to a standstill but in the end, he achieved relatively little. A bit like shaving a pig; lost of huffing and puffing, effing and blinding but very little to show for all the effort involved.
I know he's a pretty intelligent , well-spoken lad and he should be the first to realise, metaphorically speaking, that dying for the cause is all very well but living to fight for it males a hell of a lot more sense.
A bit less effort and a lot more cuteness is called for.
He is one of the most experienced intercounty players around and he possesses loads of innate talent and that's makes his selfish behaviour so baffling. It's not as if he's the only one who is making elementary mistakes and I think the malaise starts on the sideline.
It's very noticeable that since the league began, James H goes into detail to criticise his team's performance after every game.
I don't recall any other manager who is keen to highlight his own side's shortcomings. If there are problems with O'Shea's attitude, it's up to Horan to do something about it. I don't often find reason to criticise Horan's way of doing things but this is one of those times.
I meant to qualify it in the post but didn't . He won a mountain of ball but achieved little with it.
From a coaching end of things he should be instructed to do what he's good at on a football field and not what he isn't .
He's not good at shooting and he isn't good in contact for such a huge man. Catching and distributing is what he should be encouraged to do. He'd be some prospect if he did that
Quote from: criostlinn on March 31, 2014, 09:59:43 PM
I have never seen so much crap written about a friggin league match in March. I'd expect nothing less from that flute McGee but some Mayo people are really loosing the run of themselves. This time last year Dublin bate Mayo handy in the league and again the league semi. It didn't matter one iota to how the season panned out. This year we draw with them and its the end of the world.
But it's the usual auld shite from Mayo 'supporters'. Always looking at the negatives. We draw with the the all Ireland champions and secure division one status, but no, not good enough should have laid down a marker or some such bullshit. I remember Tyrone beating Mayo in Castlebar last year with a last minute goal. The same nonsense going on. Did this loss make one bit of difference in the all Ireland semi last year. Did it fcuk.
As for the shite talk about Aidan O'Shea. I'd find it unbelievable if I hadn't seen it so many times before in Mayo. It alway follows the same line. Pick one of your best players, if he's a bit flash all the better. Keep mouthing about how bad he is and totally ignore what going on before your eyes. You don't want these bucks getting to uppity. That's not Mayo. If he's a mid fielder all the better because he's hardly going to win every ball and you can focus on the ones he loses out on. Aidan put in a savage shift the last day and left everything on the pitch like he does everyday. He is probably Mayo's most influential player at the moment and for my money is one of the best midfielders in the country
+1 agree
The over reaction by some of Mayo supporters to last Saturday is bewildering to me. Possible playing Dublin in Croke Park has got to allot of them!!!! Certainly allot has being written about this team belief .. but from what I read and hear from folks it's not the players but the supporters.
In all, I think it was an excellent game of football by the top two teams in the Country. From Mayo perspective, I think they got the match ups right and tactics spot on. Yip some didn't work out like high ball to Freeman. However, I would say that was down to execution, rather than the wrong option (flood lights playing into hill, are all factors why it failed. I can see us doing better next time around). We were also fortunate that Cluxton was on an off day (by his standard) and ultimately his frustration were taken on a class McLoughin.
We nearly lost that match in the last 10mins of the game, and you know what, we've being out played by every team in the last 10mins in this league campaign. I don't attribute this to Mayo team fragility or bottling coming to the winning line. I believe this is simply down to fitness and a bit more is needed to keep our structure towards the end when substitutions are being made. Andy Moran was wrong to start the 'keep the ball'. You could see this was not a planned tactic, too many players stayed forward, and not enough were ready to track back in case we lost it.
So folks, I'll make a bold prediction. Mayo to win the league ;D
Quote from: AMayoFan on April 01, 2014, 01:46:37 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on March 31, 2014, 09:59:43 PM
I have never seen so much crap written about a friggin league match in March. I'd expect nothing less from that flute McGee but some Mayo people are really loosing the run of themselves. This time last year Dublin bate Mayo handy in the league and again the league semi. It didn't matter one iota to how the season panned out. This year we draw with them and its the end of the world.
But it's the usual auld shite from Mayo 'supporters'. Always looking at the negatives. We draw with the the all Ireland champions and secure division one status, but no, not good enough should have laid down a marker or some such bullshit. I remember Tyrone beating Mayo in Castlebar last year with a last minute goal. The same nonsense going on. Did this loss make one bit of difference in the all Ireland semi last year. Did it fcuk.
As for the shite talk about Aidan O'Shea. I'd find it unbelievable if I hadn't seen it so many times before in Mayo. It alway follows the same line. Pick one of your best players, if he's a bit flash all the better. Keep mouthing about how bad he is and totally ignore what going on before your eyes. You don't want these bucks getting to uppity. That's not Mayo. If he's a mid fielder all the better because he's hardly going to win every ball and you can focus on the ones he loses out on. Aidan put in a savage shift the last day and left everything on the pitch like he does everyday. He is probably Mayo's most influential player at the moment and for my money is one of the best midfielders in the country
+1 agree
The over reaction by some of Mayo supporters to last Saturday is bewildering to me. Possible playing Dublin in Croke Park has got to allot of them!!!! Certainly allot has being written about this team belief .. but from what I read and hear from folks it's not the players but the supporters.
In all, I think it was an excellent game of football by the top two teams in the Country. From Mayo perspective, I think they got the match ups right and tactics spot on. Yip some didn't work out like high ball to Freeman. However, I would say that was down to execution, rather than the wrong option (flood lights playing into hill, are all factors why it failed. I can see us doing better next time around). We were also fortunate that Cluxton was on an off day (by his standard) and ultimately his frustration were taken on a class McLoughin.
We nearly lost that match in the last 10mins of the game, and you know what, we've being out played by every team in the last 10mins in this league campaign. I don't attribute this to Mayo team fragility or bottling coming to the winning line. I believe this is simply down to fitness and a bit more is needed to keep our structure towards the end when substitutions are being made. Andy Moran was wrong to start the 'keep the ball'. You could see this was not a planned tactic, too many players stayed forward, and not enough were ready to track back in case we lost it.
So folks, I'll make a bold prediction. Mayo to win the league ;D
+1
I just smile and nod At the 'Never agains' leaveing matches.
Even a statement like
Quote'Cluxton was on an off day '
about a mayo player would be a
'Its obvious hes not good enough for intercounty' you just gotta laugh
Quote from: AMayoFan on April 01, 2014, 01:46:37 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on March 31, 2014, 09:59:43 PM
I have never seen so much crap written about a friggin league match in March. I'd expect nothing less from that flute McGee but some Mayo people are really loosing the run of themselves. This time last year Dublin bate Mayo handy in the league and again the league semi. It didn't matter one iota to how the season panned out. This year we draw with them and its the end of the world.
But it's the usual auld shite from Mayo 'supporters'. Always looking at the negatives. We draw with the the all Ireland champions and secure division one status, but no, not good enough should have laid down a marker or some such bullshit. I remember Tyrone beating Mayo in Castlebar last year with a last minute goal. The same nonsense going on. Did this loss make one bit of difference in the all Ireland semi last year. Did it fcuk.
As for the shite talk about Aidan O'Shea. I'd find it unbelievable if I hadn't seen it so many times before in Mayo. It alway follows the same line. Pick one of your best players, if he's a bit flash all the better. Keep mouthing about how bad he is and totally ignore what going on before your eyes. You don't want these bucks getting to uppity. That's not Mayo. If he's a mid fielder all the better because he's hardly going to win every ball and you can focus on the ones he loses out on. Aidan put in a savage shift the last day and left everything on the pitch like he does everyday. He is probably Mayo's most influential player at the moment and for my money is one of the best midfielders in the country
+1 agree
The over reaction by some of Mayo supporters to last Saturday is bewildering to me. Possible playing Dublin in Croke Park has got to allot of them!!!! Certainly allot has being written about this team belief .. but from what I read and hear from folks it's not the players but the supporters.
In all, I think it was an excellent game of football by the top two teams in the Country. From Mayo perspective, I think they got the match ups right and tactics spot on. Yip some didn't work out like high ball to Freeman. However, I would say that was down to execution, rather than the wrong option (flood lights playing into hill, are all factors why it failed. I can see us doing better next time around). We were also fortunate that Cluxton was on an off day (by his standard) and ultimately his frustration were taken on a class McLoughin.
We nearly lost that match in the last 10mins of the game, and you know what, we've being out played by every team in the last 10mins in this league campaign. I don't attribute this to Mayo team fragility or bottling coming to the winning line. I believe this is simply down to fitness and a bit more is needed to keep our structure towards the end when substitutions are being made. Andy Moran was wrong to start the 'keep the ball'. You could see this was not a planned tactic, too many players stayed forward, and not enough were ready to track back in case we lost it.
So folks, I'll make a bold prediction. Mayo to win the league ;D
I'd call that sticking your head in the sand.
There is no indication that Mayo have learnt any lessons from the last two years
none .
This years all Ireland is there for the absolute taking if you eradicate the silly errors that have cost you any chance of winning either if the last two AI's . But you have to despair when you see the same errors made time and again.
And this is down to fitness? Well if you say so.....It had nothing to do with fitness
Quote from: INDIANA on April 01, 2014, 04:08:44 PM
Quote from: AMayoFan on April 01, 2014, 01:46:37 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on March 31, 2014, 09:59:43 PM
I have never seen so much crap written about a friggin league match in March. I'd expect nothing less from that flute McGee but some Mayo people are really loosing the run of themselves. This time last year Dublin bate Mayo handy in the league and again the league semi. It didn't matter one iota to how the season panned out. This year we draw with them and its the end of the world.
But it's the usual auld shite from Mayo 'supporters'. Always looking at the negatives. We draw with the the all Ireland champions and secure division one status, but no, not good enough should have laid down a marker or some such bullshit. I remember Tyrone beating Mayo in Castlebar last year with a last minute goal. The same nonsense going on. Did this loss make one bit of difference in the all Ireland semi last year. Did it fcuk.
As for the shite talk about Aidan O'Shea. I'd find it unbelievable if I hadn't seen it so many times before in Mayo. It alway follows the same line. Pick one of your best players, if he's a bit flash all the better. Keep mouthing about how bad he is and totally ignore what going on before your eyes. You don't want these bucks getting to uppity. That's not Mayo. If he's a mid fielder all the better because he's hardly going to win every ball and you can focus on the ones he loses out on. Aidan put in a savage shift the last day and left everything on the pitch like he does everyday. He is probably Mayo's most influential player at the moment and for my money is one of the best midfielders in the country
+1 agree
The over reaction by some of Mayo supporters to last Saturday is bewildering to me. Possible playing Dublin in Croke Park has got to allot of them!!!! Certainly allot has being written about this team belief .. but from what I read and hear from folks it's not the players but the supporters.
In all, I think it was an excellent game of football by the top two teams in the Country. From Mayo perspective, I think they got the match ups right and tactics spot on. Yip some didn't work out like high ball to Freeman. However, I would say that was down to execution, rather than the wrong option (flood lights playing into hill, are all factors why it failed. I can see us doing better next time around). We were also fortunate that Cluxton was on an off day (by his standard) and ultimately his frustration were taken on a class McLoughin.
We nearly lost that match in the last 10mins of the game, and you know what, we've being out played by every team in the last 10mins in this league campaign. I don't attribute this to Mayo team fragility or bottling coming to the winning line. I believe this is simply down to fitness and a bit more is needed to keep our structure towards the end when substitutions are being made. Andy Moran was wrong to start the 'keep the ball'. You could see this was not a planned tactic, too many players stayed forward, and not enough were ready to track back in case we lost it.
So folks, I'll make a bold prediction. Mayo to win the league ;D
I'd call that sticking your head in the sand.
There is no indication that Mayo have learnt any lessons from the last two years
none .
This years all Ireland is there for the absolute taking if you eradicate the silly errors that have cost you any chance of winning either if the last two AI's . But you have to despair when you see the same errors made time and again.
And this is down to fitness? Well if you say so.....It had nothing to do with fitness
Absolutely not. I just think the criticism directed at players and team management is way over the top, unbalance and incorrect. For me, this criticism stems from supporters being back at Croke Park and not with the match I saw. Here is how I see the situation and lets take one competition at a time - we're in league, division one, playing against the best teams in the Country, and the competition is fierce. We match and out performed for large parts of the game against last years winners. Yes we became less jointed in the last 5-10mins as we have in all our league matches this year. I firmly 100% don't believe we bottle it, and I didn't get nervy sense from the team in those closing stages. Our performance just dropped, plane and simple! Even WestMeath out performed us in those final minutes! Continuity of players going off and on, player fatigue and ability to keep our structure are all to what I blame. All of which will be addressed and fixed later in the year when it matters (or at least I hope, as it won't be nice being reminded of this post if I'm wrong :P)
I got to ask INDIANA, did Mayo not look like a side that can win the league this year? I thought they did.
Quote from: AMayoFan on April 01, 2014, 05:25:44 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 01, 2014, 04:08:44 PM
Quote from: AMayoFan on April 01, 2014, 01:46:37 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on March 31, 2014, 09:59:43 PM
I have never seen so much crap written about a friggin league match in March. I'd expect nothing less from that flute McGee but some Mayo people are really loosing the run of themselves. This time last year Dublin bate Mayo handy in the league and again the league semi. It didn't matter one iota to how the season panned out. This year we draw with them and its the end of the world.
But it's the usual auld shite from Mayo 'supporters'. Always looking at the negatives. We draw with the the all Ireland champions and secure division one status, but no, not good enough should have laid down a marker or some such bullshit. I remember Tyrone beating Mayo in Castlebar last year with a last minute goal. The same nonsense going on. Did this loss make one bit of difference in the all Ireland semi last year. Did it fcuk.
As for the shite talk about Aidan O'Shea. I'd find it unbelievable if I hadn't seen it so many times before in Mayo. It alway follows the same line. Pick one of your best players, if he's a bit flash all the better. Keep mouthing about how bad he is and totally ignore what going on before your eyes. You don't want these bucks getting to uppity. That's not Mayo. If he's a mid fielder all the better because he's hardly going to win every ball and you can focus on the ones he loses out on. Aidan put in a savage shift the last day and left everything on the pitch like he does everyday. He is probably Mayo's most influential player at the moment and for my money is one of the best midfielders in the country
+1 agree
The over reaction by some of Mayo supporters to last Saturday is bewildering to me. Possible playing Dublin in Croke Park has got to allot of them!!!! Certainly allot has being written about this team belief .. but from what I read and hear from folks it's not the players but the supporters.
In all, I think it was an excellent game of football by the top two teams in the Country. From Mayo perspective, I think they got the match ups right and tactics spot on. Yip some didn't work out like high ball to Freeman. However, I would say that was down to execution, rather than the wrong option (flood lights playing into hill, are all factors why it failed. I can see us doing better next time around). We were also fortunate that Cluxton was on an off day (by his standard) and ultimately his frustration were taken on a class McLoughin.
We nearly lost that match in the last 10mins of the game, and you know what, we've being out played by every team in the last 10mins in this league campaign. I don't attribute this to Mayo team fragility or bottling coming to the winning line. I believe this is simply down to fitness and a bit more is needed to keep our structure towards the end when substitutions are being made. Andy Moran was wrong to start the 'keep the ball'. You could see this was not a planned tactic, too many players stayed forward, and not enough were ready to track back in case we lost it.
So folks, I'll make a bold prediction. Mayo to win the league ;D
I'd call that sticking your head in the sand.
There is no indication that Mayo have learnt any lessons from the last two years
none .
This years all Ireland is there for the absolute taking if you eradicate the silly errors that have cost you any chance of winning either if the last two AI's . But you have to despair when you see the same errors made time and again.
And this is down to fitness? Well if you say so.....It had nothing to do with fitness
Absolutely not. I just think the criticism directed at players and team management is way over the top, unbalance and incorrect. For me, this criticism stems from supporters being back at Croke Park and not with the match I saw. Here is how I see the situation and lets take one competition at a time - we're in league, division one, playing against the best teams in the Country, and the competition is fierce. We match and out performed for large parts of the game against last years winners. Yes we became less jointed in the last 5-10mins as we have in all our league matches this year. I firmly 100% don't believe we bottle it, and I didn't get nervy sense from the team in those closing stages. Our performance just dropped, plane and simple! Even WestMeath out performed us in those final minutes! Continuity of players going off and on, player fatigue and ability to keep our structure are all to what I blame. All of which will be addressed and fixed later in the year when it matters (or at least I hope, as it won't be nice being reminded of this post if I'm wrong :P)
I got to ask INDIANA, did Mayo not look like a side that can win the league this year? I thought they did.
I know I shouldn't but hey I'll entertain you Indiana. Can you enlighten all us plebs going around with our head in the sand. Can you tell us about all these mistakes and errors the ones that have you in such despair that you see Mayo making time and again which cost us the last 2 all Ireland's. Did they make them against Dublin the last night because I don't remember Mayo trying to play keep ball in any of the finals. Your banging on about errors like no other team make them. How many scores did Dublin give away Saturday night from silly errors and turnovers. Does cluxtons moment of madness mean he's starting to crack and can't be trusted come this years championship.
Be honest INDIANA. You know full well about James Horan's knack of beating the All Ireland champions. You know we are gunning for ye and your getting your excuses in early. I just hope ye aren't to fatigued to make it to the final
Quote from: criostlinn on April 01, 2014, 06:53:39 PM
Quote from: AMayoFan on April 01, 2014, 05:25:44 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 01, 2014, 04:08:44 PM
Quote from: AMayoFan on April 01, 2014, 01:46:37 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on March 31, 2014, 09:59:43 PM
I have never seen so much crap written about a friggin league match in March. I'd expect nothing less from that flute McGee but some Mayo people are really loosing the run of themselves. This time last year Dublin bate Mayo handy in the league and again the league semi. It didn't matter one iota to how the season panned out. This year we draw with them and its the end of the world.
But it's the usual auld shite from Mayo 'supporters'. Always looking at the negatives. We draw with the the all Ireland champions and secure division one status, but no, not good enough should have laid down a marker or some such bullshit. I remember Tyrone beating Mayo in Castlebar last year with a last minute goal. The same nonsense going on. Did this loss make one bit of difference in the all Ireland semi last year. Did it fcuk.
As for the shite talk about Aidan O'Shea. I'd find it unbelievable if I hadn't seen it so many times before in Mayo. It alway follows the same line. Pick one of your best players, if he's a bit flash all the better. Keep mouthing about how bad he is and totally ignore what going on before your eyes. You don't want these bucks getting to uppity. That's not Mayo. If he's a mid fielder all the better because he's hardly going to win every ball and you can focus on the ones he loses out on. Aidan put in a savage shift the last day and left everything on the pitch like he does everyday. He is probably Mayo's most influential player at the moment and for my money is one of the best midfielders in the country
+1 agree
The over reaction by some of Mayo supporters to last Saturday is bewildering to me. Possible playing Dublin in Croke Park has got to allot of them!!!! Certainly allot has being written about this team belief .. but from what I read and hear from folks it's not the players but the supporters.
In all, I think it was an excellent game of football by the top two teams in the Country. From Mayo perspective, I think they got the match ups right and tactics spot on. Yip some didn't work out like high ball to Freeman. However, I would say that was down to execution, rather than the wrong option (flood lights playing into hill, are all factors why it failed. I can see us doing better next time around). We were also fortunate that Cluxton was on an off day (by his standard) and ultimately his frustration were taken on a class McLoughin.
We nearly lost that match in the last 10mins of the game, and you know what, we've being out played by every team in the last 10mins in this league campaign. I don't attribute this to Mayo team fragility or bottling coming to the winning line. I believe this is simply down to fitness and a bit more is needed to keep our structure towards the end when substitutions are being made. Andy Moran was wrong to start the 'keep the ball'. You could see this was not a planned tactic, too many players stayed forward, and not enough were ready to track back in case we lost it.
So folks, I'll make a bold prediction. Mayo to win the league ;D
I'd call that sticking your head in the sand.
There is no indication that Mayo have learnt any lessons from the last two years
none .
This years all Ireland is there for the absolute taking if you eradicate the silly errors that have cost you any chance of winning either if the last two AI's . But you have to despair when you see the same errors made time and again.
And this is down to fitness? Well if you say so.....It had nothing to do with fitness
Absolutely not. I just think the criticism directed at players and team management is way over the top, unbalance and incorrect. For me, this criticism stems from supporters being back at Croke Park and not with the match I saw. Here is how I see the situation and lets take one competition at a time - we're in league, division one, playing against the best teams in the Country, and the competition is fierce. We match and out performed for large parts of the game against last years winners. Yes we became less jointed in the last 5-10mins as we have in all our league matches this year. I firmly 100% don't believe we bottle it, and I didn't get nervy sense from the team in those closing stages. Our performance just dropped, plane and simple! Even WestMeath out performed us in those final minutes! Continuity of players going off and on, player fatigue and ability to keep our structure are all to what I blame. All of which will be addressed and fixed later in the year when it matters (or at least I hope, as it won't be nice being reminded of this post if I'm wrong :P)
I got to ask INDIANA, did Mayo not look like a side that can win the league this year? I thought they did.
I know I shouldn't but hey I'll entertain you Indiana. Can you enlighten all us plebs going around with our head in the sand. Can you tell us about all these mistakes and errors the ones that have you in such despair that you see Mayo making time and again which cost us the last 2 all Ireland's. Did they make them against Dublin the last night because I don't remember Mayo trying to play keep ball in any of the finals. Your banging on about errors like no other team make them. How many scores did Dublin give away Saturday night from silly errors and turnovers. Does cluxtons moment of madness mean he's starting to crack and can't be trusted come this years championship.
Be honest INDIANA. You know full well about James Horan's knack of beating the All Ireland champions. You know we are gunning for ye and your getting your excuses in early. I just hope ye aren't to fatigued to make it to the final
I've rarely watched a game whereby we so outplayed and outnumbered and we still drew. I'm watching football a long time and I'd struggle to recall one like last Saturday. It was bizarre.
The first thing is we've got the job done twice in the last 3 years and that counts for a lot in the last ten minutes against a team that hasn't got the job done in an AI Final. Mayo waited for Dublin to comeback in the last 10 minutes instead of pushing on to get the scores to put you out of sight. Against 14 men. To me that indicates a serious lack of confidence in themselves and a serious lack of confidence in what the management is telling them to do.
Secondly First ten minutes of the second half you had enough chances to be 10-12 points up. You should watch re-watch the first 30 minutes of the AI final last September. Same thing. Different year- same old story.
There isn't an iota of difference between the physical conditioning of either side. If there is by your definition an edge in our department in that area then our lads must be super-humans because I doubt anyone on the Dublin team would beat Lee Keegan in a fitness test. You didn't lose that game physically last Saturday- you lost it mentally.
I've a lot of friends from Mayo and a lot of Mayo lads have played with distinction for my club. I'd genuinely like to see you win an All-Ireland because it would be great for the game even though most Dublin fans hate the sight of you if I'm brutally honest with you.
But you'll get nowhere unless your players and management are brutally frank in their assessment of how that game went by the way side last Saturday. It either becomes a water-shed moment or one whereby the ship finally sinks for your current side. I'll be accused of preaching and thats fair enough but it drives me around the bend when you see some of the posts talking about "fitness" and sure " we'll win the league". Winning the league means absolutely nothing IMO for the current side.
Your players have to start making better decisions on the ball for the 70 minutes and not 40 minutes like some of them do currently. And in the last 10 minutes play to win and not play to "try not to lose". Sounds easy but its not when your players continually do it in big games. Shot selection is just awful at times. Awful..
You've a great chance of winning it this year IMO - but has to be maddening to continually watch your team make the same errors time and again. Especially when you have a team thats in the top 3.
I have to agree.
3 points up with a couple of minutes left and you have to be thinking of getting the insurance point. Get it to Cillian or Kevin or whoever and get the score. Cillian had scored the previous two, one a free with his right and the other from play with his left.
That had to be the thinking, not risking a turnover 55m out with most of the backs well off their men looking for the next keep ball pass.
Last two posts above, nail on the head....
QuoteI've rarely watched a game whereby we so outplayed and outnumbered
QuoteSecondly First ten minutes of the second half you had enough chances to be 10-12 points up.
And the amazing thing is everyone is concerned about Mayo's performance.
QuoteTo me that indicates a serious lack of confidence in themselves and a serious lack of confidence in what the management is telling them to do.
That's a typical over reaction to Mayo result. You see what your not grasping is this is a league match in March. You said it yourself that winning the league means nothing to Mayo and your right. This league is about getting a team ready for a crack at an All Ireland and whether we lost or won by 12 point the last night it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference. Do you remember the 2011 league final. For all the talk about a new Dublin they coughed up an 8 point lead to lose by a point. Didn't matter much when it came to the finishing straight in the AI final that year
QuoteYou should watch re-watch the first 30 minutes of the AI final last September. Same thing. Different year- same old story.
10 wides to 9 in favour of Dublin in the first half of the final. You know what. Some time the ball goes wide in Football. Why is it such a big error for a Mayo man to kick it wide but not a Dub.
Quotemost Dublin fans hate the sight of you if I'm brutally honest with you.
I taught winning last years final would help ye get over 2006 and 2011. Obviously not.
Quote from: muppet on April 01, 2014, 08:03:48 PM
I have to agree.
3 points up with a couple of minutes left and you have to be thinking of getting the insurance point. Get it to Cillian or Kevin or whoever and get the score. Cillian had scored the previous two, one a free with his right and the other from play with his left.
That had to be the thinking, not risking a turnover 55m out with most of the backs well off their men looking for the next keep ball pass.
I don't think anyone is disputing this. The same as when a man is one on one wth the keeper he hand passes a couple of yards over a team mates head or a fella kicks the hind legs of someone in full view of the ref and umpires. Players make errors in matches all the time. If Seamie hadn't run into bother this wouldn't be an issue and we'd be delighted with the result. It was a simple mistake by a player just returning from injury. People would want to get over it
Quote from: criostlinn on April 01, 2014, 09:42:53 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 01, 2014, 08:03:48 PM
I have to agree.
3 points up with a couple of minutes left and you have to be thinking of getting the insurance point. Get it to Cillian or Kevin or whoever and get the score. Cillian had scored the previous two, one a free with his right and the other from play with his left.
That had to be the thinking, not risking a turnover 55m out with most of the backs well off their men looking for the next keep ball pass.
I don't think anyone is disputing this. The same as when a man is one on one wth the keeper he hand passes a couple of yards over a team mates head or a fella kicks the hind legs of someone in full view of the ref and umpires. Players make errors in matches all the time. If Seamie hadn't run into bother this wouldn't be an issue and we'd be delighted with the result. It was a simple mistake by a player just returning from injury. People would want to get over it
I am not blaming a single player for the turnover, I am blaming everyone who decided to play keep-ball for the 60-90 seconds leading up to the turnover. I don't know if they were on the pitch, on the sideline, or both, or maybe there never really was a decision, but nonetheless it happened.
Quote from: muppet on April 01, 2014, 08:03:48 PM
I have to agree.
3 points up with a couple of minutes left and you have to be thinking of getting the insurance point. Get it to Cillian or Kevin or whoever and get the score. Cillian had scored the previous two, one a free with his right and the other from play with his left.
That had to be the thinking, not risking a turnover 55m out with most of the backs well off their men looking for the next keep ball pass.
I m sure that is what we all thought would happen.
Apart from the fluting about bit with the ball trying to kill the clock we had also switched off for some time. We wouldn t be the first team to get caught with egg on our face playing against 14 so no point in witch hunting. The switching off allowed O Gara to loiter unmarked for an embarrassing amount of time for each goal. Unmarked but outnumbered. A paradox but that was what was happening. After the O Gara debacle we still had Jack McCaffrey standing unmarked for ages before he got that last scoring chance. If McManamon or Connollly got that freebie we would have lost. Why we switched off though is another thing. The subs again watered down the team as they did against Cork, who also scored 2 late scores against the run of play.
Not that the subs did bad or anything but we did lose leadership and shape when likes of Caff and AOS were replaced. Losing Boyle as well was disruptive and I didn t think Drake ( who has improved the team previously) improved the team when he replaced Harrisson. Varley replaced Caff and I m assuming that Higgins played in the backs then. It didn t help because another runner like Gallagher around the middle was needed to keep the likes of Jack McCaff busy.
Some Mayos looking for experimentation for Derry game. I think we ve had enough of that already. We ve a solid core in most of the team but it has been getting a bit messy when players are replaced. It is like players are coming on to try and impress rather than get the job done. Our bench is not driving us on - yet anyway. That is a concern but it s early yet. But no use replacing a tired player with somebody who is not going to make an impact. When you see the impact that likes of McManamom and O Gara can have coming off the bench it shows how inadequate we are in that respect.
Quote from: criostlinn on April 01, 2014, 09:33:58 PM
QuoteI've rarely watched a game whereby we so outplayed and outnumbered
QuoteSecondly First ten minutes of the second half you had enough chances to be 10-12 points up.
And the amazing thing is everyone is concerned about Mayo's performance.
QuoteTo me that indicates a serious lack of confidence in themselves and a serious lack of confidence in what the management is telling them to do.
That's a typical over reaction to Mayo result. You see what your not grasping is this is a league match in March. You said it yourself that winning the league means nothing to Mayo and your right. This league is about getting a team ready for a crack at an All Ireland and whether we lost or won by 12 point the last night it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference. Do you remember the 2011 league final. For all the talk about a new Dublin they coughed up an 8 point lead to lose by a point. Didn't matter much when it came to the finishing straight in the AI final that year
QuoteYou should watch re-watch the first 30 minutes of the AI final last September. Same thing. Different year- same old story.
10 wides to 9 in favour of Dublin in the first half of the final. You know what. Some time the ball goes wide in Football. Why is it such a big error for a Mayo man to kick it wide but not a Dub.
Quotemost Dublin fans hate the sight of you if I'm brutally honest with you.
I taught winning last years final would help ye get over 2006 and 2011. Obviously not.
The difficulty I have with your post above is this - this is the same old story that we've seen from the same bunch of players for the last three years. You can't just take 2014 in isolation. You have to ask yourself are these guys improving?
No in my view a lot of them aren't. You've some brilliant players in Higgins and Keegan.
And you've others like O Se who could be great but still wants to run through six players instead of popping it off to better positioned team-mates.
Lads taking pot shots from sideline balls when they've a ten percent chance of scoring like Cillian O Connor did.
Whether you like it or not they are decisions that cost you games and cost you medals. And you'd wonder are the management team ruthless enough to nail lads to the cross at a video session for those errors.
I can't speak for Gavin as I don't know him personally but I do know Gilroy hammered the Dublin lads until they did what he wanted them to do and he just got rid of the ones who wanted to be individuals.
Cant help thinking if you had someone like that in charge he'dget you over the line.
QuoteWhy would Derry be fearful, they've been producing the more consistent performances throughout the league.
I saw them against Cork. They are too slow.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 01, 2014, 11:20:58 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on April 01, 2014, 09:33:58 PM
QuoteI've rarely watched a game whereby we so outplayed and outnumbered
QuoteSecondly First ten minutes of the second half you had enough chances to be 10-12 points up.
And the amazing thing is everyone is concerned about Mayo's performance.
QuoteTo me that indicates a serious lack of confidence in themselves and a serious lack of confidence in what the management is telling them to do.
That's a typical over reaction to Mayo result. You see what your not grasping is this is a league match in March. You said it yourself that winning the league means nothing to Mayo and your right. This league is about getting a team ready for a crack at an All Ireland and whether we lost or won by 12 point the last night it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference. Do you remember the 2011 league final. For all the talk about a new Dublin they coughed up an 8 point lead to lose by a point. Didn't matter much when it came to the finishing straight in the AI final that year
QuoteYou should watch re-watch the first 30 minutes of the AI final last September. Same thing. Different year- same old story.
10 wides to 9 in favour of Dublin in the first half of the final. You know what. Some time the ball goes wide in Football. Why is it such a big error for a Mayo man to kick it wide but not a Dub.
Quotemost Dublin fans hate the sight of you if I'm brutally honest with you.
I taught winning last years final would help ye get over 2006 and 2011. Obviously not.
The difficulty I have with your post above is this - this is the same old story that we've seen from the same bunch of players for the last three years. You can't just take 2014 in isolation. You have to ask yourself are these guys improving?
No in my view a lot of them aren't. You've some brilliant players in Higgins and Keegan.
And you've others like O Se who could be great but still wants to run through six players instead of popping it off to better positioned team-mates.
Lads taking pot shots from sideline balls when they've a ten percent chance of scoring like Cillian O Connor did.
Whether you like it or not they are decisions that cost you games and cost you medals. And you'd wonder are the management team ruthless enough to nail lads to the cross at a video session for those errors.I can't speak for Gavin as I don't know him personally but I do know Gilroy hammered the Dublin lads until they did what he wanted them to do and he just got rid of the ones who wanted to be individuals.
Cant help thinking if you had someone like that in charge he'dget you over the line.
Management seem to be thick and ruthless enough with some players anyway. But like you I can t understand how a few of our best players are allowed to indulge themselves to the detriment of the team.
O Connor is not one of those. I was begging him to go for that sideline btw. He would have a 50:50 chance on those or even better and he killed the ball. But some of the other shots selected were extremely poor in choice and execution.
QuoteThe difficulty I have with your post above is this - this is the same old story that we've seen from the same bunch of players for the last three years. You can't just take 2014 in isolation. You have to ask yourself are these guys improving?
And I ask you again. What is this story. Anyone who follows this team has seen obvious signs of improvement in this team but yet you want to judge everything on the negative points of a draw with the all Ireland champions. What is the same old story with Mayo. They were described by some as the most cynical team ever two years ago and some like yourself pissed and moaned for 12 months about how we closed out the semi final in 2012.
QuoteAnd you've others like O Se who could be great but still wants to run through six players instead of popping it off to better positioned team-mates.
Aidan O'Shea was odds on to be player of the year going into last years final. He had one bad day and now he's dismissed as
lost of huffing and puffing, effing and blinding but very little to show for all the effort involved.. Aidan has come on leaps and bounds under the stewardship of James Horan and I can guarantee you if Mayo do anything this summer it will be Aidan who'll lead the charge.
QuoteLads taking pot shots from sideline balls when they've a ten percent chance of scoring like Cillian O Connor did.
That's the first time I've heard a Cilian effort described as a pot shot. INDIANA I can guarantee you one thing. A sideline effort trailing wide in a league match in March most certainly does not cost you medals. But when these efforts go over come championship they certainly can win you big games. I'm sure you remember Ciaran Mc and Maurice Fitz. You see yet again your picking out one single incident from a game and using it to come up with all sorts of conclusions.
Quote from: moysider on April 01, 2014, 11:52:10 PM
O Connor is not one of those. I was begging him to go for that sideline btw. He would have a 50:50 chance on those or even better and he killed the ball.
Agreed - he scored two massive sideline balls from either side of the pitch last year down in Cork.
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 02, 2014, 07:51:31 AM
Quote from: moysider on April 01, 2014, 11:52:10 PM
O Connor is not one of those. I was begging him to go for that sideline btw. He would have a 50:50 chance on those or even better and he killed the ball.
Agreed - he scored two massive sideline balls from either side of the pitch last year down in Cork.
Probably wasnt on telly so it didn't really happen
Quote from: criostlinn on April 02, 2014, 12:05:50 AM
QuoteThe difficulty I have with your post above is this - this is the same old story that we've seen from the same bunch of players for the last three years. You can't just take 2014 in isolation. You have to ask yourself are these guys improving?
And I ask you again. What is this story. Anyone who follows this team has seen obvious signs of improvement in this team but yet you want to judge everything on the negative points of a draw with the all Ireland champions. What is the same old story with Mayo. They were described by some as the most cynical team ever two years ago and some like yourself pissed and moaned for 12 months about how we closed out the semi final in 2012.
QuoteAnd you've others like O Se who could be great but still wants to run through six players instead of popping it off to better positioned team-mates.
Aidan O'Shea was odds on to be player of the year going into last years final. He had one bad day and now he's dismissed as lost of huffing and puffing, effing and blinding but very little to show for all the effort involved.. Aidan has come on leaps and bounds under the stewardship of James Horan and I can guarantee you if Mayo do anything this summer it will be Aidan who'll lead the charge.
QuoteLads taking pot shots from sideline balls when they've a ten percent chance of scoring like Cillian O Connor did.
That's the first time I've heard a Cilian effort described as a pot shot. INDIANA I can guarantee you one thing. A sideline effort trailing wide in a league match in March most certainly does not cost you medals. But when these efforts go over come championship they certainly can win you big games. I'm sure you remember Ciaran Mc and Maurice Fitz. You see yet again your picking out one single incident from a game and using it to come up with all sorts of conclusions.
Well I've tried but you lads are the ones 50 years plus without an AI and it's not hard to see why quite frankly.
Best of luck for the season but I've no doubts you're going to come up short again barring a complete u-turn on certain things.
Quotea complete u-turn on certain things
well there is one Mayo man an expert at that.