How good is your local school?
http://trinitymirrordataresources.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/northern-ireland-schools-gadget.html
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2014, 02:19:13 PM
How good is your local school?
http://trinitymirrordataresources.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/northern-ireland-schools-gadget.html
I hope that nobody in NI uses data like this to guide them in their choice of school for their children. Data like this doesn't give any context - how many Newcomer, Special Needs etc - some schools conveniently don't include data that affects figures. It's corruptible and because our Grammar schools know it goes on the public domain, it is corrupted. Take it with a pinch of salt!
Quote from: CD on February 04, 2014, 02:25:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2014, 02:19:13 PM
How good is your local school?
http://trinitymirrordataresources.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/northern-ireland-schools-gadget.html
I hope that nobody in NI uses data like this to guide them in their choice of school for their children. Data like this doesn't give any context - how many Newcomer, Special Needs etc - some schools conveniently don't include data that affects figures. It's corruptible and because our Grammar schools know it goes on the public domain, it is corrupted. Take it with a pinch of salt!
I think most people know which schools are best for their kids, I would only send my kids to the school that best suits their needs, i.e local and what matches their ability. A lot of kids develop later in life and do very well in the secondary environment but wouldn't have done as well in the Grammar schools
My Alma Mater is 2nd .... Derry 1 & 2 leading the way in terms of best school's!
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2014, 03:10:32 PM
My Alma Mater is 2nd .... Derry 1 & 2 leading the way in terms of best school's!
Was Sister Immaculata there in your time SE, I see she was buried at the weekend, Her and McCartney were far from the worst to be in charge of a school
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2014, 03:10:32 PM
My Alma Mater is 2nd .... Derry 1 & 2 leading the way in terms of best school's!
That data is for last year, and the second place is down to the legacy of the previous principal. Watch out for a big drop in this current year.
Quote from: hardstation on February 04, 2014, 08:12:36 PM
Quote from: CD on February 04, 2014, 02:25:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2014, 02:19:13 PM
How good is your local school?
http://trinitymirrordataresources.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/northern-ireland-schools-gadget.html
I hope that nobody in NI uses data like this to guide them in their choice of school for their children. Data like this doesn't give any context - how many Newcomer, Special Needs etc - some schools conveniently don't include data that affects figures. It's corruptible and because our Grammar schools know it goes on the public domain, it is corrupted. Take it with a pinch of salt!
Aye, this is the type of thing you hear teachers say when their school does shite. Then a couple of years later, the school does well and these tables are the be all and end all. You'll get a full page spread in the Irish News of how the school has turned it around. Complemented with a lovely picture of the Principal grinning like a Chesire cat behind his/her desk.
They haven't done shite - they just keep the picture poor enough to get the place pumped full of additional funding whilst not quite shite enough to be the subject of investigation or intervention. It's a fine balancing act and one at which NI principals seem to be adept!
The schools that clearly need looked at are these so called elite grammar schools who received the creme de la creme of pupils with A grades in year 8 and 5-10% of these kids aren't getting 7+ GCSEs at A-C. Surely these children have been failed!
Quote from: CD on February 04, 2014, 10:21:33 PM
Quote from: hardstation on February 04, 2014, 08:12:36 PM
Quote from: CD on February 04, 2014, 02:25:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2014, 02:19:13 PM
How good is your local school?
http://trinitymirrordataresources.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/northern-ireland-schools-gadget.html
I hope that nobody in NI uses data like this to guide them in their choice of school for their children. Data like this doesn't give any context - how many Newcomer, Special Needs etc - some schools conveniently don't include data that affects figures. It's corruptible and because our Grammar schools know it goes on the public domain, it is corrupted. Take it with a pinch of salt!
Aye, this is the type of thing you hear teachers say when their school does shite. Then a couple of years later, the school does well and these tables are the be all and end all. You'll get a full page spread in the Irish News of how the school has turned it around. Complemented with a lovely picture of the Principal grinning like a Chesire cat behind his/her desk.
They haven't done shite - they just keep the picture poor enough to get the place pumped full of additional funding whilst not quite shite enough to be the subject of investigation or intervention. It's a fine balancing act and one at which NI principals seem to be adept!
The schools that clearly need looked at are these so called elite grammar schools who received the creme de la creme of pupils with A grades in year 8 and 5-10% of these kids aren't getting 7+ GCSEs at A-C. Surely these children have been failed!
And another reason these 'elite' grammars should be investigated is that they fail to differentiate their lessons to cope with the different abilities in the classroom. they feel that it is up to the pupils to 'keep up'
You often hear a pupil being described as 'not being fit for such and such a grammar school. A pupil should be fit for any school. It is the professional responsibility of the teachers to adapt the lessons to suit his/her ability
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2014, 03:10:32 PM
My Alma Mater is 2nd .... Derry 1 & 2 leading the way in terms of best school's!
This is class.
Quote from: ONeill on February 04, 2014, 11:29:42 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2014, 03:10:32 PM
My Alma Mater is 2nd .... Derry 1 & 2 leading the way in terms of best school's!
This is class.
You can see why it missed out on top spot - I blame the English teachers
Quote from: ONeill on February 04, 2014, 11:29:42 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2014, 03:10:32 PM
My Alma Mater is 2nd .... Derry 1 & 2 leading the way in terms of best school's!
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This is class.
What makes it so class is that it would have been easier to type it without the apostrophe. It actually took a bit of effort to get it wrong.
These results are very easily rigged by schools.
Quote from: stibhan on February 05, 2014, 08:30:57 AM
These results are very easily rigged by schools.
So they make up that students get or don't get A-C grades?
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on February 05, 2014, 07:43:39 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 04, 2014, 11:29:42 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2014, 03:10:32 PM
My Alma Mater is 2nd .... Derry 1 & 2 leading the way in terms of best school's!
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This is class.
What makes it so class is that it would have been easier to type it without the apostrophe. It actually took a bit of effort to get it wrong.
Or it could have been predictive text and he wasn't that arsed about fixing it.
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2014, 03:10:32 PM
My Alma Mater is 2nd .... Derry 1 & 2 leading the way in terms of best school's!
These 2 schools have the highest rates of dropout when their students go to university. Pushed, mollycoddled and spoon fed all their way through school, then can't cope when it comes to surviving on their own in the big world.
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2014, 03:10:32 PM
My Alma Mater is 2nd .... Derry 1 & 2 leading the way in terms of best school's!
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: bigball on February 05, 2014, 09:29:25 AM
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2014, 03:10:32 PM
My Alma Mater is 2nd .... Derry 1 & 2 leading the way in terms of best school's!
These 2 schools have the highest rates of dropout when their students go to university. Pushed, mollycoddled and spoon fed all their way through school, then can't cope when it comes to surviving on their own in the big world.
A bit like kids tutored for the 11+/ entrance exam, then if they're lucky(unlucky) enough to get a grammar school place the support isn't there and they struggle.
As someone else touched on Grammar schools are dropping their entry requirements to get bums on seats, but are they streaming the classes accordingly or are the youngsters who'd not normally get a place left to struggle on?
Quote from: Minder on February 05, 2014, 08:58:13 AM
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on February 05, 2014, 07:43:39 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 04, 2014, 11:29:42 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2014, 03:10:32 PM
My Alma Mater is 2nd .... Derry 1 & 2 leading the way in terms of best school's!
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This is class.
What makes it so class is that it would have been easier to type it without the apostrophe. It actually took a bit of effort to get it wrong.
Or it could have been predictive text and he wasn't that arsed about fixing it.
That one!
Yeah NE i was just there for a year with Sr. Immaculata. Didn't have many dealings with her to be fair but she seemed like a nice lady.
McCartney was some boy! He took us for football and I did A Level maths with him.
He's just a different planet from any other teacher. I imagine he wouldn't be allowed around the place today (along with a certain PE teacher). He never had a lesson plan or scheme of work he would just land into the class with a textbook and say "Where did we leave off yesterday" and then proceed to demonstrate how to answer every question in the book!
Here's a question... how many of you enjoyed school and how many hated it? I'd go back in the morning if I could!
Quote from: screenexile on February 05, 2014, 09:45:19 AM
Here's a question... how many of you enjoyed school and how many hated it? I'd go back in the morning if I could!
I loved it.
My sis teaches in Number 3 - it's a top quality school with new buildings and facilities. Despite being stuck in east Belfast, it's still v difficult to get into. They will be glad they beat their Belfast rivals.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2014, 08:55:33 AM
Quote from: stibhan on February 05, 2014, 08:30:57 AM
These results are very easily rigged by schools.
So they make up that students get or don't get A-C grades?
There are good teachers, and there are bad teachers. The latter may be for a variety of reasons - stress from management, stress from home, lacking of aptitude or just doesn't care. There are checks and balances to address all these, but sometimes the odd one slips through the net.
Quote from: bigball on February 05, 2014, 09:29:25 AM
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2014, 03:10:32 PM
My Alma Mater is 2nd .... Derry 1 & 2 leading the way in terms of best school's!
These 2 schools have the highest rates of dropout when their students go to university. Pushed, mollycoddled and spoon fed all their way through school, then can't cope when it comes to surviving on their own in the big world.
Where can you get statistics on dropout from Uni by school? I'd be interested in seeing this - do the universities provide it or DEL so someone?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2014, 08:55:33 AM
Quote from: stibhan on February 05, 2014, 08:30:57 AM
These results are very easily rigged by schools.
So they make up that students get or don't get A-C grades?
No, it's more complex than that, obviously. How many students in the school are doing 10 or 11 GCSE's, and how many are doing 5? How many students are being allowed to sit the tests in the school, and how many are turfed out beforehand because their results aren't good enough to keep the numbers up?
Quote from: take_yer_points on February 05, 2014, 11:49:01 AM
Quote from: bigball on February 05, 2014, 09:29:25 AM
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2014, 03:10:32 PM
My Alma Mater is 2nd .... Derry 1 & 2 leading the way in terms of best school's!
These 2 schools have the highest rates of dropout when their students go to university. Pushed, mollycoddled and spoon fed all their way through school, then can't cope when it comes to surviving on their own in the big world.
Where can you get statistics on dropout from Uni by school? I'd be interested in seeing this - do the universities provide it or DEL so someone?
DEL I'd imagine, we fill in exit interviews in training colleges which I'd imagine is forward on to DEL through our systems and DEL write up reports during inspections which become public knowledge.
Quote from: stibhan on February 05, 2014, 11:50:39 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2014, 08:55:33 AM
Quote from: stibhan on February 05, 2014, 08:30:57 AM
These results are very easily rigged by schools.
So they make up that students get or don't get A-C grades?
No, it's more complex than that, obviously. How many students in the school are doing 10 or 11 GCSE's, and how many are doing 5? How many students are being allowed to sit the tests in the school, and how many are turfed out beforehand because their results aren't good enough to keep the numbers up?
A lot of students believe it or not are not capable of doing GCSE's so they follow different paths, essential skills and vocational studies, BETEC's and NVQ's. If you as a teacher believe that a student is better off doing another type of exam rather than a GCSE then is it not better to put him through a achievable examination rather than one he can't do.
I don't think the table showed students doing other exams other than GCSE's
Essential skills at level 2 is equivalent to C grade at GCSE level, I don't agree with it and neither do the colleges as the work involved in achieving it is very basic.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2014, 11:52:28 AM
Quote from: take_yer_points on February 05, 2014, 11:49:01 AM
Quote from: bigball on February 05, 2014, 09:29:25 AM
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2014, 03:10:32 PM
My Alma Mater is 2nd .... Derry 1 & 2 leading the way in terms of best school's!
These 2 schools have the highest rates of dropout when their students go to university. Pushed, mollycoddled and spoon fed all their way through school, then can't cope when it comes to surviving on their own in the big world.
Where can you get statistics on dropout from Uni by school? I'd be interested in seeing this - do the universities provide it or DEL so someone?
DEL I'd imagine, we fill in exit interviews in training colleges which I'd imagine is forward on to DEL through our systems and DEL write up reports during inspections which become public knowledge.
I'm not so sure that's how it would work in the university sector, but I could be wrong. I've been involved in the production of university attrition statistics but have never heard of it being produced by the school the student attended. Any statistics I've seen are produced at programme year level, not down to individual level and then grouping those individuals by the school they attended.
For example, the link below gives you statistics for programmes in a school at Jordanstown. The first programme had 16 students in Year 1 in 201112 and 1 dropped out - 6.3% in the Early Leavers % column. I'm not sure how this person who dropped out is related back to their school and is then grouped by school. I'd be very interested in the data though if it could be provided
http://www.ulster.ac.uk/quality/qmau/uuonly/progcms1112.pdf
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2014, 12:04:17 PM
Quote from: stibhan on February 05, 2014, 11:50:39 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2014, 08:55:33 AM
Quote from: stibhan on February 05, 2014, 08:30:57 AM
These results are very easily rigged by schools.
So they make up that students get or don't get A-C grades?
No, it's more complex than that, obviously. How many students in the school are doing 10 or 11 GCSE's, and how many are doing 5? How many students are being allowed to sit the tests in the school, and how many are turfed out beforehand because their results aren't good enough to keep the numbers up?
A lot of students believe it or not are not capable of doing GCSE's so they follow different paths, essential skills and vocational studies, BETEC's and NVQ's. If you as a teacher believe that a student is better off doing another type of exam rather than a GCSE then is it not better to put him through a achievable examination rather than one he can't do.
I don't think the table showed students doing other exams other than GCSE's
Essential skills at level 2 is equivalent to C grade at GCSE level, I don't agree with it and neither do the colleges as the work involved in achieving it is very basic.
Not in Mathematics. Was downgraded to a quarter of a GCSE this year
Quote from: FermGael on February 05, 2014, 02:40:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2014, 12:04:17 PM
Quote from: stibhan on February 05, 2014, 11:50:39 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2014, 08:55:33 AM
Quote from: stibhan on February 05, 2014, 08:30:57 AM
These results are very easily rigged by schools.
So they make up that students get or don't get A-C grades?
No, it's more complex than that, obviously. How many students in the school are doing 10 or 11 GCSE's, and how many are doing 5? How many students are being allowed to sit the tests in the school, and how many are turfed out beforehand because their results aren't good enough to keep the numbers up?
A lot of students believe it or not are not capable of doing GCSE's so they follow different paths, essential skills and vocational studies, BETEC's and NVQ's. If you as a teacher believe that a student is better off doing another type of exam rather than a GCSE then is it not better to put him through a achievable examination rather than one he can't do.
I don't think the table showed students doing other exams other than GCSE's
Essential skills at level 2 is equivalent to C grade at GCSE level, I don't agree with it and neither do the colleges as the work involved in achieving it is very basic.
Not in Mathematics. Was downgraded to a quarter of a GCSE this year
As in 2014 or start of term time Sept 2013?
Never heard this
From last year.
Quote from: FermGael on February 05, 2014, 03:46:56 PM
From last year.
Heard rumours of it didn't realise it was in place, very unfair on ones who completed them last year, but in fairness they are shit, and a student who works hard at getting a C grade in math over two years and a lad who enters a training program and gets a C grade equivalent in essential skills after 6 weeks is ridiculous
Just on that, I would have thought I would have got some sort of email regarding that, as our students are under the illusion that they are achieving a C grade equivalent.
Have you got a link to that?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2014, 02:19:13 PM
How good is your local school?
http://trinitymirrordataresources.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/northern-ireland-schools-gadget.html
Is this it?
Quote from: Denn Forever on February 05, 2014, 05:29:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2014, 02:19:13 PM
How good is your local school?
http://trinitymirrordataresources.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/northern-ireland-schools-gadget.html
Is this it?
Use the Get Data function to download it into Excel, or spreadsheet of your choice.
Much more fun.
Quote from: Orior on February 05, 2014, 05:52:22 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on February 05, 2014, 05:29:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2014, 02:19:13 PM
How good is your local school?
http://trinitymirrordataresources.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/northern-ireland-schools-gadget.html
Is this it?
Use the Get Data function to download it into Excel, or spreadsheet of your choice.
Much more fun.
The correlation between attendance percentages and good grades seems pretty strong
I don't think the table showed students doing other exams other than GCSE's
It doesn't - this is where it all becomes murky! Not only does the data not include exams taken through other boards, school leaders can easily 'exempt' students from exams based on special needs, special circumstances or if a child is a Newcomer(less than 1/2 education in NI). The governors by and large simply approve the principals recommendations. This exemption can be made after the results have been issued. If all data was included I'd suggest the table would look slightly different. If we take it that there are roughly 120 students in each GCSE year, 1 student = 0.83 percent so it is definitely in a school's interests to exempt those children who impact negatively - even if, for those children, just 1 GCSE A-C would be a massive achievement!
Keep yer child at home. Everything is on youtube and no head flushed down the toilet.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2014, 03:58:45 PM
Just on that, I would have thought I would have got some sort of email regarding that, as our students are under the illusion that they are achieving a C grade equivalent.
Have you got a link to that?
http://www.deni.gov.uk/performance_measures_circular_-_english.pdf (http://www.deni.gov.uk/performance_measures_circular_-_english.pdf)
Page 3, subheading 9
QuoteEssential Skills qualifications should count as 0.25 of a GCSE, in line with
existing guidance on performance points.
Quote from: FermGael on February 05, 2014, 08:10:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2014, 03:58:45 PM
Just on that, I would have thought I would have got some sort of email regarding that, as our students are under the illusion that they are achieving a C grade equivalent.
Have you got a link to that?
http://www.deni.gov.uk/performance_measures_circular_-_english.pdf (http://www.deni.gov.uk/performance_measures_circular_-_english.pdf)
Page 3, subheading 9
QuoteEssential Skills qualifications should count as 0.25 of a GCSE, in line with
existing guidance on performance points.
Though it finshed off with this line:
Any proposed changes are unlikely to take effect before 2015/16, to enable
schools to plan accordingly
So has it come in with immediate effect?
Yes that was noticed.
But in the sub heading 9
QuoteThe Steering Group has identified a number of short-term actions that need to be applied to 2012-13 data, to clarify existing policy and ensure that achievements are reported on a consistent basis.
All that i know is that alot of universities have stopped accepting it and we have been advised that employers will follow.
Quote from: FermGael on February 05, 2014, 09:26:57 PM
Yes that was noticed.
But in the sub heading 9
QuoteThe Steering Group has identified a number of short-term actions that need to be applied to 2012-13 data, to clarify existing policy and ensure that achievements are reported on a consistent basis.
All that i know is that alot of universities have stopped accepting it and we have been advised that employers will follow.
Universities never accepted them anyways, employers were though and that's were it hits us as a training organisation and getting kids into employment
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2014, 12:04:17 PM
Quote from: stibhan on February 05, 2014, 11:50:39 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2014, 08:55:33 AM
Quote from: stibhan on February 05, 2014, 08:30:57 AM
These results are very easily rigged by schools.
So they make up that students get or don't get A-C grades?
No, it's more complex than that, obviously. How many students in the school are doing 10 or 11 GCSE's, and how many are doing 5? How many students are being allowed to sit the tests in the school, and how many are turfed out beforehand because their results aren't good enough to keep the numbers up?
A lot of students believe it or not are not capable of doing GCSE's so they follow different paths, essential skills and vocational studies, BETEC's and NVQ's. If you as a teacher believe that a student is better off doing another type of exam rather than a GCSE then is it not better to put him through a achievable examination rather than one he can't do.
I don't think the table showed students doing other exams other than GCSE's
Essential skills at level 2 is equivalent to C grade at GCSE level, I don't agree with it and neither do the colleges as the work involved in achieving it is very basic.
I'm on the same page as you. I'm just explaining that these results do not give the full picture and are cooked very easily.