Can't be without a thread for Division 2.
Meath 3-18 - 4-11 Galway
Louth 0-16 - 1-13 Armagh
Laois 1-09 - 2-19 Donegal
Down 1-11 - 0-14 Monaghan
1 Donegal 1 1 0 0 2-19 1-9 2
2 Meath 1 1 0 0 3-18 4-11 2
3 Monaghan 1 0 1 0 0-14 1-11 1
4 Louth 1 0 1 0 0-16 1-13 1
5 Down 1 0 1 0 1-11 0-14 1
6 Armagh 1 0 1 0 1-13 0-16 1
7 Galway 1 0 0 1 4-11 3-18 0
8 Laois 1 0 0 1 1-9 2-19 0
7 Feb 2014 8pm Armagh v Down Athletic Grounds
9 Feb 2014 2pm Monaghan v Meath Clones
9 Feb 2014 2pm Louth v Laois Drogheda
9 Feb 2014 2pm Galway v Donegal Pearse Stadium, Galway
1 point for a southern team is greater than one point for a northern team. Or at least so it is in the table above. Discuss.
Quote from: AFS on February 03, 2014, 05:22:07 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on February 03, 2014, 04:39:24 PM
1 point for a southern team is greater than one point for a northern team. Or at least so it is in the table above. Discuss.
A disgrace! We have the rightful, alphabetical claim to third place!
You can have it, after we move up to 1st or 2nd spot next Sunday. Until then, go Buckfast yourself.
Quote from: Aristo 60 on February 03, 2014, 04:39:24 PM
1 point for a southern team is greater than one point for a northern team. Or at least so it is in the table above. Discuss.
A different twisted view of the Division 2 table can be seen on page 69 The Irish News today.
Monaghan are at the bottom of the pile on 1 point! Oh, but Louth are the top of the pile, so bang goes the alphabetical order listing. Them 'uns always had it in for Monaghan.
Quote from: babarino on February 03, 2014, 07:12:14 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on February 03, 2014, 04:39:24 PM
1 point for a southern team is greater than one point for a northern team. Or at least so it is in the table above. Discuss.
A different twisted view of the Division 2 table can be seen on page 69 The Irish News today.
Monaghan are at the bottom of the pile on 1 point! Oh, but Louth are the top of the pile, so bang goes the alphabetical order listing. Them 'uns always had it in for Monaghan.
I don't know how anyone could be less than Laois on any dimension. e.g. population, cathedrals , number of provincial titles, ......
Quote from: All of a Sludden on February 03, 2014, 03:55:53 PM
Can't be without a thread for Division 2.
Meath 3-18 - 4-11 Galway
Louth 0-16 - 1-13 Armagh
Laois 1-09 - 2-19 Donegal
Down 1-11 - 0-14 Monaghan
1 Donegal 1 1 0 0 2-19 1-9 2
2 Meath 1 1 0 0 3-18 4-11 2
3 Monaghan 1 0 1 0-14 1-11 1
4 Louth 1 0 1 0 0-16 1-13 1
5 Down 1 0 1 0 1-11 0-14 1
6 Armagh 1 0 1 0 1-13 0-16 1
7 Galway 1 0 0 1 4-11 3-18 0
8 Laois 1 0 0 1 1-9 2-19 0
At least there's a logic to the order of 1 pointers here.
INVERSE ALPHABETICAL ORDER!
Quote from: armaghniac on February 03, 2014, 07:34:07 PM
I don't know how anyone could be less than Laois on any dimension. e.g. population, cathedrals , number of provincial titles, ......
We have more provincial championships than Louth and we're at a huge disadvantage cause of our small population, especially when some of them include Armagh criminals that live in Portlaoise!
Come on the 8th of March!!!!!!!!!!!!
No surprises from week 1 - I doubt many will be changing their predictions for who is set for promotion and the drop.
Quote from: Aristo 60 on February 03, 2014, 04:39:24 PM
1 point for a southern team is greater than one point for a northern team. Or at least so it is in the table above. Discuss.
Is Donegal a southern team ?
Quote from: seafoid on February 04, 2014, 12:51:25 AM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on February 03, 2014, 04:39:24 PM
1 point for a southern team is greater than one point for a northern team. Or at least so it is in the table above. Discuss.
Is Donegal a southern team ?
Yes.
Quote from: Dont Matter on February 03, 2014, 09:04:38 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 03, 2014, 07:34:07 PM
I don't know how anyone could be less than Laois on any dimension. e.g. population, cathedrals , number of provincial titles, ......
We have more provincial championships than Louth and we're at a huge disadvantage cause of our small population, especially when some of them include Armagh criminals that live in Portlaoise!
Come on the 8th of March!!!!!!!!!!!!
I reckon that he's jealous of all the millions that Armagh receive from the criminals in Portlaoise :P
Quote from: Aristo 60 on February 04, 2014, 10:09:38 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 04, 2014, 12:51:25 AM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on February 03, 2014, 04:39:24 PM
1 point for a southern team is greater than one point for a northern team. Or at least so it is in the table above. Discuss.
Is Donegal a southern team ?
Yes.
So in Down (and Armagh) you have the Southern Regional College, the Southern Education and Library Board... yet Donegal, the most northerly part of Ireland is 'southern' ???
Partitionism is alive and well.
Quote from: babarino on February 05, 2014, 10:15:57 AM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on February 04, 2014, 10:09:38 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 04, 2014, 12:51:25 AM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on February 03, 2014, 04:39:24 PM
1 point for a southern team is greater than one point for a northern team. Or at least so it is in the table above. Discuss.
Is Donegal a southern team ?
Yes.
So in Down (and Armagh) you have the Southern Regional College, the Southern Education and Library Board... yet Donegal, the most northerly part of Ireland is 'southern' ???
Partitionism is alive and well.
My point from the off.
Looking to the future now we can only hope the results this weekend help mask All of a Sludden's partitionism.
Anyway you are deliberately confusing geography and polictical science.
Quote from: Aristo 60 on February 05, 2014, 10:37:16 AM
Quote from: babarino on February 05, 2014, 10:15:57 AM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on February 04, 2014, 10:09:38 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 04, 2014, 12:51:25 AM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on February 03, 2014, 04:39:24 PM
1 point for a southern team is greater than one point for a northern team. Or at least so it is in the table above. Discuss.
Is Donegal a southern team ?
Yes.
So in Down (and Armagh) you have the Southern Regional College, the Southern Education and Library Board... yet Donegal, the most northerly part of Ireland is 'southern' ???
Partitionism is alive and well.
My point from the off.
Looking to the future now we can only hope the results this weekend help mask All of a Sludden's partitionism.
Anyway you are deliberately confusing geography and polictical science.
Just going by the road signs in Belfast. Fermanagh is a western team and Down is a southern team.
Donegal is a northern team under that logic.
Allianz FL Division 2
Armagh 2-5 Down 2-7
Galway 0-12 Donegal 1-16
Louth 0-11 Laois 2-8
Monaghan 0-20 Meath 0-8
Division 2
Pos. Team P W D L F A Pts.
1 Donegal 2 2 0 0 3-35 1-21 4
2 Monaghan 2 1 1 0-34 1-19 3
3 Down 2 1 1 0 3-18 2-19 3
4 Meath 2 1 0 1 3-26 4-31 2
5 Laois 2 1 0 1 3-17 2-30 2
6 Louth 2 0 1 1 0-27 3-21 1
7 Armagh 2 0 1 1 3-18 2-23 1
8 Galway 2 0 0 2 4-23 4-34 0
I think you have Louth and Armagh in the wrong order there, either alphabetically or on score difference.
What are the rules for relegation, head to head not useful here?
Already looking forward to playing MayoGodHelpUs's mighty team in D2 2015.
Allianz FL Division 2 Round 3
Down 4-16 - 0-09 Louth
Laois 1-20 - 0-08 Galway
Meath 2-10 - 0-19 Armagh
Donegal 2-11 - 0-10 Monaghan
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Fancy dans are in turmoil , the modern game has left them behind.
Galway will get their act together at some stage, have they not some good u21's coming through?
Though a spell in D3 is no help. If they do go down they will want to do a Meath and fly straight back up. You could hit a type of year in D3 where 3/4 teams are all on form and striving for promotion and then you are in for a battle.
I thought this black card rule would allow our boys the freedom to play. What's our excuse now? Shocking versus Laois.
Quote from: DJGaliv on March 02, 2014, 07:26:01 PM
I thought this black card rule would allow our boys the freedom to play. What's our excuse now? Shocking versus Laois.
From what I've seen the black card isn't being enforced.
Quote from: larryin89 on March 02, 2014, 04:53:41 PM
Fancy dans are in turmoil , the modern game has left them behind.
We haven't won Sam under puke football but I don't think ye have either. I am open to correction.
Quote from: DJGaliv on March 02, 2014, 07:26:01 PM
I thought this black card rule would allow our boys the freedom to play. What's our excuse now? Shocking versus Laois.
If they beat Louth and Armagh they'll be okay. 3rd year of Mulholland- he'd want to get the finger out.
Or just out.
Barbarino is right about the non-enforcement of black cards if the approach of Martin Higgins in Newry last night is anything to go by. He kept the game flowing pretty well but he had about half a dozen chances to show black as Louth's display disintegrated and he never used one. Instead, he handed out ticks and five or six yellows for rugby tackles and trips. It made very little difference to the result or even the pattern of play, so perhaps the black cards are effective even when they are not used.
It was difficult to assess Down properly as Louth were so far off the pace. If there was a game plan there, the players did not understand it and seemed to be arguing with each other. Clarke was their only scorer in the first half, with a free and one from play, but he was taken off immediately after his second point and did not appear to be injured. Duffy never got going at midfield and the Louth supporters around us were calling for Donnelly to be introduced after about five minutes. The most surprising aspect was that Louth, who have usually looked a decent side against us, effectively gave up in the last quarter. It was great to see Benny coming off the bench to bang in a couple of trademark goals, but, while they were clinically dispatched, the space he got was amazing. It is pretty doubtful if Galway will be so generous next week.
Quote from: Ringfort on March 02, 2014, 05:33:52 PM
Galway will get their act together at some stage, have they not some good u21's coming through?
Though a spell in D3 is no help. If they do go down they will want to do a Meath and fly straight back up. You could hit a type of year in D3 where 3/4 teams are all on form and striving for promotion and then you are in for a battle.
I'd expect so too. But it won't happen just because Galway are a traditional heavyweight. There is a certain amount of re-invention. They don't need to abandon a certain amount of their footballing style, they just have to tune it a bit better. Anyway, they got a harsh lesson after going in blind to play Mayo in the Championship last year. I don't expect they will be as naive this summer. If they are, well what can one say?
Quote from: All of a Sludden on March 02, 2014, 03:56:44 PM
Allianz FL Division 2 Round 3
Down 4-16 - 0-09 Louth
Laois 1-20 - 0-08 Galway
Meath 2-10 - 0-19 Armagh
Donegal 2-11 - 0-10 Monaghan
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On the basis of current form I fancy us against Galway next day out although I guess Galway will have to make a start at some point.
Laois have 4 points from beating the two weakest teams so they might be flattered in that position at the minute. I also fancy us against them on the final day. We've visited them and won on most occasions in the recent past. If we win those two we'd be on 9 points.
I think Armagh will take the points off Monaghan and that there will be enough topsy turvey from the teams in the middle section of the current standings to leave Donegal out ahead and Down in 2nd spot.
Although this optimism could have something to do with Saturday night...
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 02, 2014, 09:40:46 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on March 02, 2014, 05:33:52 PM
Galway will get their act together at some stage, have they not some good u21's coming through?
Though a spell in D3 is no help. If they do go down they will want to do a Meath and fly straight back up. You could hit a type of year in D3 where 3/4 teams are all on form and striving for promotion and then you are in for a battle.
I'd expect so too. But it won't happen just because Galway are a traditional heavyweight. There is a certain amount of re-invention. They don't need to abandon a certain amount of their footballing style, they just have to tune it a bit better. Anyway, they got a harsh lesson after going in blind to play Mayo in the Championship last year. I don't expect they will be as naive this summer. If they are, well what can one say?
Galway have drifted out to 100/1 with Paddy Power. Meath are 33/1. Mayo 9/2. That is a big spread between Galway and Mayo. It is probably more insulting than being called a fancy dan.
What a difference a couple of weeks make. Meath take a point from Donegal, Down fall in Galway, Armagh going well. Donegal will go up, even if Down give them a fill of it. Who'll join them will probably be decided this weekend. Armagh v Monaghan is a big one :D
Ya its a very interesting division. A fair few of the teams trying to 'find themselves'. Only Donegal as you say looking likely to go up at this stage. We didn't get any of this 'we don't really like the league in Donegal' this year as they realise any sort of an extended stay in Div 2 and you can turn into a Meath, Galway or Armagh. Meath will always have a 'big county' mentality so their almost-result in Ballybofey not really surprising. Another couple of wins will suit them grand going into the summer.
Armagh seem to have a bit of momentum going so I'll tip them at this stage to go up. All eyes on Galway now for the run in. Was the Down game only an accident? Low- scoring affair when you compare to what other sides are putting up this year.
It might be one of those years when a low points total (9) gets you promoted, but the team that gets 10 points is more than likely to see Div 1 next year.
If Donegal win the rest of their gamed then 9 points should do it for the 2nd team.
Quote from: Main Street on March 10, 2014, 08:52:56 PM
It might be one of those years when a low points total (9) gets you promoted, but the team that gets 10 points is more than likely to see Div 1 next year.
If Donegal win the rest of their gamed then 9 points should do it for the 2nd team.
I concur.
Good wins for Down and Monaghan, but it looks like it'll be Monaghan and Donegal to go up at this stage. Down go on the road from here, while Monaghan are at home for their last two. Players like the Hughes brothers are coming back from injury in flying form.
POS TEAM P W L D F A POINTS
1 DONEGAL 4 3 0 1 76 49 7
2 MONAGHA 5 3 1 1 84 61 7
3 DOWN 4 2 1 1 63 49 5
4 ARMAGH 5 2 2 1 80 80 5
5 MEATH 5 2 2 1 81 90 5
6 LAOIS 5 2 3 0 77 83 4
7 GALWAY 4 1 3 0 58 77 2
8 LOUTH 4 0 3 1 48 78 1
Draw in Drogheda. Louth 2-9 0-15 Galway
Feck sake Galway.
Quote from: babarino on March 16, 2014, 04:00:07 PM
Good wins for Down and Monaghan, but it looks like it'll be Monaghan and Donegal to go up at this stage. Down go on the road from here, while Monaghan are at home for their last two. Players like the Hughes brothers are coming back from injury in flying form.
POS TEAM P W L D F A POINTS
1 DONEGAL 4 3 0 1 76 49 7
2 MONAGHA 5 3 1 1 84 61 7
3 DOWN 4 2 1 1 63 49 5
4 ARMAGH 5 2 2 1 80 80 5
5 MEATH 5 2 2 1 81 90 5
6 LAOIS 5 2 3 0 77 83 4
7 GALWAY 4 1 3 0 58 77 2
8 LOUTH 4 0 3 1 48 78 1
You need to update that table for today's results
Monaghan have the nicest run in with two home games. Tougher games for Donegal and Down. But that's all on paper- no doubt there'll be a few surprises yet.
1 DONEGAL 5 3 1 1 86 61 7
2 MONAGHA 5 3 1 1 84 61 7
3 DOWN 5 3 1 1 75 59 7
4 ARMAGH 5 2 2 1 80 80 5
5 MEATH 5 2 2 1 81 90 5
6 LAOIS 5 2 3 0 77 83 4
7 GALWAY 5 1 3 1 73 92 3
8 LOUTH 5 0 3 2 63 93 2
Laois have Donegal and Down to play.
Armagh have Galway and Donegal
Meath have Down and Louth
Galway have Armagh and Monaghan
If Galway can beat Armagh, Laois will go down with Louth but otherwise Galway will. Meath could always
choke ...
It'll go down to the last day most likely.
The Down game is massive for us.
They're chasing promotion and will come out all guns blazing.
I give us a chance because it's in Navan.
Quote from: seafoid on March 16, 2014, 05:29:50 PM
Laois have Donegal and Down to play.
Armagh have Galway and Donegal
Meath have Down and Louth
Galway have Armagh and Monaghan
If Galway can beat Armagh, Laois will go down with Louth but otherwise Galway will. Meath could always
choke ...
It'll go down to the last day most likely.
Laois lost to Donegal on the first day out.
Donegal have Louth (h) and Armagh (a) left.
Quote from: seafoid on March 16, 2014, 05:29:50 PM
If Galway can beat Armagh, Laois will go down with Louth but otherwise Galway will.
Just maybe Laois might take a point or two off Monaghan or Down - don't write us off yet ;)
Laois will find it hard going away to Monaghan, but might get something from Down. They might need both points though, a draw might only put them on the same points as Armagh, who beat them on the head to head.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 16, 2014, 06:57:43 PM
Lapis will find it hard going away to Monaghan, but might get something from Down. They might need both points though, a draw might only put them on the same points as Armagh, who beat them on the head to head.
What's with the racist abuse? Not enough to call us as thick as rocks? You have to call us as thick as Afghanistani rocks?
If Galway beat Armagh, Leix draw to Down and we all lose the other game then we'll all finish on 5 points, thus making your head to head shenanigans invalid! You may have the edge on the score difference depending on how badly we all lose the other game.
Is head the head the first criteria, if 2 teams finish level on points?
FWIW
relegation odds. Louth have an impossible task. Laois are not buried yet and Armagh are still in the thick of it.
Louth 1/33 Galway10/11 Laois 13/8 Armagh 2/1
Lifting trophy odds
Donegal 4/5 Monaghan 11/8 Down 6/1
It seems Meath are neither going up, nor down.
Quote from: Dont Matter on March 16, 2014, 08:35:26 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 16, 2014, 06:57:43 PM
Lapis will find it hard going away to Monaghan, but might get something from Down. They might need both points though, a draw might only put them on the same points as Armagh, who beat them on the head to head.
What's with the racist abuse? Not enough to call us as thick as rocks? You have to call us as thick as Afghanistani rocks?
If Galway beat Armagh, Leix draw to Down and we all lose the other game then we'll all finish on 5 points, thus making your head to head shenanigans invalid! You may have the edge on the score difference depending on how badly we all lose the other game.
Lapis is a valuable product, worth more than turf anyway. :)
Presently, Armagh has no score difference, so it is important to ensure that Galway do not beat us by much in case this 5 point thing comes about. Monaghan might well affect the score difference of Galway and Laois in quite an adverse way.
Louth relegated. :(
Louth 3-7 Donegal 1-19
So next week it's
Down vs Laois
Monaghan vs Galway
Armagh vs Donegal
It'll go down to the wire.
It doesn't feel as if it's going down to the wire, unless there's a combination of unusual happenings.
But Down do have some chance.
Monaghan and Donegal look good to go up and all the talk of points difference separating the top 3 won't happen.
We've sprung forward, so now it's time to gear up for the Championship.
The second relegation spot will go down to the wire.
Quote from: seafoid on March 30, 2014, 05:43:58 PM
So next week it's
Down vs Laois
Monaghan vs Galway
Armagh vs Donegal
It'll go down to the wire.
Mathematically there are 4 teams in contention. In reality, barring some bizarrely one-sided and very high-scoring results next week, it's a Monaghan / Donegal league final.
The other possibility - less remote, is that Donegal lose and Down win next week, leaving both on 9 points. Assuming neither Monaghan or Meath finish on 9, Down would go up based on the head to head.
What separates two teams on equal points at the end? Points difference or head to head results?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 30, 2014, 09:11:19 PM
What separates two teams on equal points at the end? Points difference or head to head results?
Head to head if only two teams on the same points - scoring difference otherwise.
An Armagh relegation would see a whole new raft of calls for the manager to be axed once again. Paddy O'Rourke might even be forgiven.
Most of the teams in D2 have been rather mediocre this time around.
Meath have been very inconsistent, as have Down.
Maybe Laois will beat Down. Armagh were very unlucky with the injuries.
Galway did a nice Lazarus job .
Quote from: seafoid on March 31, 2014, 09:03:42 AM
Most of the teams in D2 have been rather mediocre this time around.
Meath have been very inconsistent, as have Down.
Maybe Laois will beat Down. Armagh were very unlucky with the injuries.
Galway did a nice Lazarus job .
Galway haven't done their Lazarus job yet.
Lazarus didn't rise from the dead only to go back to his tomb the next week, i.e. according to the story.
Quote from: Main Street on March 31, 2014, 10:26:57 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 31, 2014, 09:03:42 AM
Most of the teams in D2 have been rather mediocre this time around.
Meath have been very inconsistent, as have Down.
Maybe Laois will beat Down. Armagh were very unlucky with the injuries.
Galway did a nice Lazarus job .
Galway haven't done their Lazarus job yet.
Lazarus didn't rise from the dead only to go back to his tomb the next week, i.e. according to the story.
"relegation odds. Louth have an impossible task. Laois are not buried yet and Armagh are still in the thick of it.
Louth 1/33 Galway10/11 Laois 13/8 Armagh 2/1"
Look at the odds now. I think 5 points out of 6 isn't bad going considering they lost the first 3 matches
Laois 10/11, Armagh 6/4, Galway 4/1
Quote from: thejuice on March 31, 2014, 05:51:45 AM
An Armagh relegation would see a whole new raft of calls for the manager to be axed once again. Paddy O'Rourke might even be forgiven.
Don't think so. Armagh have been crucified with injuries this campaign.
Quote from: seafoid on March 31, 2014, 01:42:44 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 31, 2014, 10:26:57 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 31, 2014, 09:03:42 AM
Most of the teams in D2 have been rather mediocre this time around.
Meath have been very inconsistent, as have Down.
Maybe Laois will beat Down. Armagh were very unlucky with the injuries.
Galway did a nice Lazarus job .
Galway haven't done their Lazarus job yet.
Lazarus didn't rise from the dead only to go back to his tomb the next week, i.e. according to the story.
"relegation odds. Louth have an impossible task. Laois are not buried yet and Armagh are still in the thick of it.
Louth 1/33 Galway10/11 Laois 13/8 Armagh 2/1"
Look at the odds now. I think 5 points out of 6 isn't bad going considering they lost the first 3 matches
Laois 10/11, Armagh 6/4, Galway 4/1
It's not bad going so far, but still a ways to go before Galway can be considered to have done a Lazarus.
Quote from: Main Street on March 31, 2014, 02:51:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 31, 2014, 01:42:44 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 31, 2014, 10:26:57 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 31, 2014, 09:03:42 AM
Most of the teams in D2 have been rather mediocre this time around.
Meath have been very inconsistent, as have Down.
Maybe Laois will beat Down. Armagh were very unlucky with the injuries.
Galway did a nice Lazarus job .
Galway haven't done their Lazarus job yet.
Lazarus didn't rise from the dead only to go back to his tomb the next week, i.e. according to the story.
"relegation odds. Louth have an impossible task. Laois are not buried yet and Armagh are still in the thick of it.
Louth 1/33 Galway10/11 Laois 13/8 Armagh 2/1"
Look at the odds now. I think 5 points out of 6 isn't bad going considering they lost the first 3 matches
Laois 10/11, Armagh 6/4, Galway 4/1
It's not bad going so far, but still a ways to go before Galway can be considered to have done a Lazarus.
Let's see. I think Donegal will beat Armagh . Monaghan will probably beat Galway.
But you never know.
Monaghan are out to 40/1 for the all Ireland . They were 33/1 a few weeks ago.
Galway are back to 50/1 which is fabulous considering they were 100/1 in Feb.
There is also a (unlikely) scenario whereby Laois can draw and then Galway could go down.
I suppose Galway can be quite optimistic about survival, it's about 95% sure, it would take some strange set of results to put them at risk.
I'd say the fatalistic black humour that surrounds Armagh will catch up with them this year, possibly Laois have the better chance to survive.
Half time round up
Monaghan (with the wind) 0-08 Galway 0-05
Laois are giving it welly ( 8 points ahead) and are looking good to stay in Div2.
They need one of Galway or Armagh to slip up and both of them are behind.
Div II Latest: Armagh 1-6 Donegal 2-6, Laois 1-13 Down 1-6, Monaghan 0-11 Galway 0-9, Louth 1-10 Meath 1-8
"Finlayyyyyyy" (commentator scream) for Monaghan at the death, points the winner against the wind, from 45m out.
Galway prob deserved better.
Armagh go down with Louth.
Hard luck Armagh. Last week was the killer. Longford down to d 4.
That late goal Down got against Armagh a real killer now. Bad day for Armagh football will have to regroup in division three.
Division 2 2015
Kildare
Westmeath
Meath
Down
Laois
Galway
Cavan
Roscommon
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2014, 04:58:55 PM
That late goal Down got against Armagh a real killer now. Bad day for Armagh football will have to regroup in division three.
Some of the quality of play in the Armagh game today would suggest they will be plying their trade in division 3 for a while, some of the passing was atrocious.
Galway probably deserved something from the Monaghan game today. Unlucky to lose. Still at least we managed to stay up after a poor start to the league.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 06, 2014, 05:28:17 PM
Galway probably deserved something from the Monaghan game today. Unlucky to lose. Still at least we managed to stay up after a poor start to the league.
Last 4 matches were a big improvement. Armagh have a lot of work to do.
Quote from: Main Street on April 06, 2014, 04:35:30 PM
"Finlayyyyyyy" (commentator scream) for Monaghan at the death, points the winner against the wind, from 45m out.
Galway prob deserved better.
Armagh go down with Louth.
A great sight! It took me straight back to 2005.
We needed at a draw against Longford in the last game of Div 2A to gain promotion. Down by a point, when with the last play of the game Paul landed a beauty off his right, 45m out, into the same town goal end, to level it and put us up!. 9 years later and hes still at it!.
Delighted with our league run even though Galway probably deserved at least the draw today. Still, to start today without Donaghy, Finlay, Lennon, the Duffys and D Hughes, we`re not in a bad place!.
Laois stay up,Armagh relegated...excellent.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 06, 2014, 05:28:17 PM
Galway probably deserved something from the Monaghan game today. Unlucky to lose. Still at least we managed to stay up after a poor start to the league.
I totally agree ye deserved a point. Like ourselves, you missed some very scorable chances. Your keeper throwing a haymaker and seeing red, didn't help either.
At half time I didn't think a 3 point lead was enough, given the wind. The quality of the supply forward improved when we brought on Finlay and D Hughes. Some of the Monaghan players had a bad day, with some woeful passing and decision making. Good to win playing badly. Makes a welcome change from playing pretty well and losing, like last time we were in Division 2.
A rather neighbourly D2 for 2015
Ros
Herrins
Westies
Breffnis
Lillies
Laoishites
Eastmeath
and in the distance
The Aristocrats
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 06, 2014, 05:28:17 PM
Galway probably deserved something from the Monaghan game today. Unlucky to lose. Still at least we managed to stay up after a poor start to the league.
After the debacle that was the Laois match, survival is a near-miracle.
Keeper Healy really stupid in jeopardising his side's chances by being sent-off. This allied to Hanley's injury (though not a big a fan of Finian as I used to be) and O'Curraoin's injury-related absence mitigated against Galway ending Monaghan's long unbeaten run in Clones.
Positives from the league, meagre as they are for the management, would be good form shown by Joss Moore, O'Donnell at no. 6, O'Curraoin in midield plus reasonable showings by new players such as Varleys, Mulryan and Lundy.
Negatives would be lack of proper defensive system, (they still find it so hard to close down a team), insipid forward play and the absence of a reliable free-taker. Winning anything with Armstrong and Martin (to a lesser extent) is akin to trying to win a F1 race in a car with a slow puncture.
Quote from: mouview on April 07, 2014, 05:27:28 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 06, 2014, 05:28:17 PM
Galway probably deserved something from the Monaghan game today. Unlucky to lose. Still at least we managed to stay up after a poor start to the league.
After the debacle that was the Laois match, survival is a near-miracle.
Keeper Healy really stupid in jeopardising his side's chances by being sent-off. This allied to Hanley's injury (though not a big a fan of Finian as I used to be) and O'Curraoin's injury-related absence mitigated against Galway ending Monaghan's long unbeaten run in Clones.
Positives from the league, meagre as they are for the management, would be good form shown by Joss Moore, O'Donnell at no. 6, O'Curraoin in midield plus reasonable showings by new players such as Varleys, Mulryan and Lundy.
Negatives would be lack of proper defensive system, (they still find it so hard to close down a team), insipid forward play and the absence of a reliable free-taker. Winning anything with Armstrong and Martin (to a lesser extent) is akin to trying to win a F1 race in a car with a slow puncture.
Look just because we say you probably deserved better at Clones, doesn't actually mean you should take that to heart. We are just being friendly.
Galway had their chances to win the game with 2 frees from distance after finally drawing level and just were not good enough to take them.
Deserve has nothing to do with it when the chances were given to Galway to win it and they blew it themselves.
Monaghan still have to wrap things up and atone for the performance in Letterkenny.
Donegal can't be let off to a flying start in this one, so Monaghan might have to start with our strongest 15, whatever that is i lár na páirce.
The Donegal boys are off to catch a few rays in Portugal, so'll come back all bonded and rarin' to go.
In some ways it wasn't a bad thing we lost well in Donegal. All the talk before that was about revenge etc. after the Ulster final, and Donegal were obviously fired up for that one. As it is, it didn't cost us and we should have a much improved team in the league final to what was put out that day, and our mindset will be one of making amends ourselves.
You're right though, we can't afford to start as sloppy again, but that game was a real anomaly when you consider we only conceded three goals in the whole league, and two of those were in the first 20 minutes in Donegal. We may have had a weakened team out that day but it also shows Donegal were a step above anything else we met in Division 2, so we need to up the levels again after the last two performances against Laois and Galway. Whatever happens, promotion being secured was the main thing and this game will give both sides a good test ahead of the championship.
Its a division 2 final. No matter what happens, Monaghan won last season when it really counted, so I can't see either side losing too much sleep about this game. It'll be a good test for both sides a month before the Ulster championship starts, but that's about it.
Of course it doesn't compare in importance to a first round championship game but it's an important test nevertheless and both teams will want to win. It will be a fair indicator of where the teams are at. Such games are usually competitive and enjoyable to watch.
Quote from: Main Street on April 08, 2014, 01:09:29 AM
Of course it doesn't compare in importance to a first round championship game but it's an important test nevertheless and both teams will want to win. It will be a fair indicator of where the teams are at. Such games are usually competitive and enjoyable to watch.
Are Monaghan good enough to get to the all Ireland semi final this year ?
We might not be good enough to get to the USFC SF
We play either Tyrone at Clones or Down in Newry in the QF.
Was great to win the division after all is said and done and head back to the top table for next year.
Those teams who played defensive systems gave us most bother i.e. Down and Meath and to a lesser extent Armagh (hard to tell what system Grimley was employing), while those who played football were soundly beaten i.e. Louth, Monaghan, Laois and Galway. Championship football will be more like the former than the latter so it's hard to gauge our form but the objective has been achieved overall with one defeat in what was, on paper, our most difficult fixture of the 7. The final will be a good challenge prior to Championship with our neighbours having had excellent preparation through Div 1, so another test at the end of the month is welcome. I don't expect much different from Monaghan compared to Letterkenny. D Hughes and Gallogly will offer more physicalitywhile Mone, Corey and Clerkin are more likely to start than attempt a salvage job but we'll probably have Patrick, Neil Gallagher and Eamon McGee available to start which are 3 of our best on current form in their respective lines. I'd be fairly confident of another win in Croke Park.
Quote from: dlgael on April 08, 2014, 12:33:46 PM
Was great to win the division after all is said and done and head back to the top table for next year.
Those teams who played defensive systems gave us most bother i.e. Down and Meath and to a lesser extent Armagh (hard to tell what system Grimley was employing), while those who played football were soundly beaten i.e. Louth, Monaghan, Laois and Galway. Championship football will be more like the former than the latter so it's hard to gauge our form but the objective has been achieved overall with one defeat in what was, on paper, our most difficult fixture of the 7. The final will be a good challenge prior to Championship with our neighbours having had excellent preparation through Div 1, so another test at the end of the month is welcome. I don't expect much different from Monaghan compared to Letterkenny. D Hughes and Gallogly will offer more physicalitywhile Mone, Corey and Clerkin are more likely to start than attempt a salvage job but we'll probably have Patrick, Neil Gallagher and Eamon McGee available to start which are 3 of our best on current form in their respective lines. I'd be fairly confident of another win in Croke Park.
The division is not won yet. Donegal have just finished in the top two.
But, well done so far ;D
Quote from: Main Street on April 08, 2014, 11:03:11 AM
We might not be good enough to get to the USFC SF
We play either Tyrone at Clones or Down in Newry in the QF.
Do you think you can build on last year? It's about time Monaghan won an all Ireland.
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2014, 02:30:41 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 08, 2014, 11:03:11 AM
We might not be good enough to get to the USFC SF
We play either Tyrone at Clones or Down in Newry in the QF.
Do you think you can build on last year? It's about time Monaghan won an all Ireland.
I'd say it will be a massive challenge just to retain Ulster. I don't see an All Ireland in this team.
Sometimes an AI team evolves throughout the championship process, like with Down in 2010.
But first on the menu are the the winners of the prelim round and I hope it's Tyrone. It would be a good first step to get that caveman monkey off our backs.
Quote from: Main Street on April 08, 2014, 10:21:10 PM
Sometimes an AI team evolves throughout the championship process, like with Down in 2010.
But first on the menu are the the winners of the prelim round and I hope it's Tyrone. It would be a good first step to get that caveman monkey off our backs.
And in 1991. All part of "the Down way".
Quote from: Aristo 60 on April 09, 2014, 04:17:21 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 08, 2014, 10:21:10 PM
Sometimes an AI team evolves throughout the championship process, like with Down in 2010.
But first on the menu are the the winners of the prelim round and I hope it's Tyrone. It would be a good first step to get that caveman monkey off our backs.
And in 1991. All part of "the Down way".
Evolution was one way to describe it after the muck that wason show in the Marshes in the ifrst game!(and I don't just mean the quagmire of a field that day!)
Yep - Arma stayed in the primordial soup for a decade or so more.
Quote from: Aristo 60 on April 09, 2014, 04:17:21 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 08, 2014, 10:21:10 PM
Sometimes an AI team evolves throughout the championship process, like with Down in 2010.
But first on the menu are the the winners of the prelim round and I hope it's Tyrone. It would be a good first step to get that caveman monkey off our backs.
And in 1991. All part of "the Down way".
Only for we had to play 19 games to get to the final and Colm O'Rourke had TB, you'd have been beaten out the gate that year and you know it.
Quote from: Main Street on April 08, 2014, 10:21:10 PM
Sometimes an AI team evolves throughout the championship process, like with Down in 2010.
But first on the menu are the the winners of the prelim round and I hope it's Tyrone. It would be a good first step to get that caveman monkey off our backs.
I agree that we can't get too far ahead of ourselves. And yes sometimes a bit of momentum gathers...but a bit of luck doesn't go amiss.
Monaghan have had great sides, and in different times they might well have taken the big one. There aren't any outstanding sides at the moment. The top tier has levelled off and that's where we're heading.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 09, 2014, 09:22:22 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on April 09, 2014, 04:17:21 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 08, 2014, 10:21:10 PM
Sometimes an AI team evolves throughout the championship process, like with Down in 2010.
But first on the menu are the the winners of the prelim round and I hope it's Tyrone. It would be a good first step to get that caveman monkey off our backs.
And in 1991. All part of "the Down way".
Only for we had to play 19 games to get to the final and Colm O'Rourke had TB, you'd have been beaten out the gate that year and you know it.
Why did it take 4 games to beat the Dubs ?
Down had a great team that year.
There's a quiet build up to this final. Both have eyes on bigger prizes, but will be looking to go into the championship in a positive frame of mind.
Having witnessed Monaghan's two concluding games of the division, we'll need to seriously up the performance in this one. Donegal don't seem to be that convincing either.
Few injury doubts for Monaghan too. Doogan definitely out with a broken foot and Mone and Lennon are doubtful too. Doogan's mobility and work-rate round the middle will be missed, we were light enough there with him..
Anyhow, not all that bad.. Hopefully Lennon/Clerkin/Hughes/Finlay will make some sort of MF pairing.
The team was named earlier there:
Rory Beggan; Kieran Duffy, Drew Wylie, Fintan Kelly; Dessie Mone, Vinny Corey, Karl O'Connell; Owen Lennon, Paul Finlay; Kieran Hughes, Stephen Gollogly, Chris Mc Guinness; Dermot Malone, Jack McCarron, Conor McManus.
Subs: Gerard Mc Caffrey, Ryan Wylie, Conor Boyle, Conor Galligan, Martin McElroy, Dick Clerkin, Darren Hughes, Paudie McKenna, Padraic Keenan, Shane Carey, Thomas Kerr.
Good to see Dessie and Lennon made it but Walshe misses through injury, he's a massive loss. With a couple of exceptions that's a very young bench aswell. Decent scoring power up front with Jinxy and Malone to win the dirty ball around the middle. I wonder will Kieran Hughes stay around the middle or go in on the square, we're more dangerous when he's the latter imo.
O'Rourke is notorious for making changes to the team that was sent to the media. Can you see Monaghan lining out like this? Walshe is defintely out. He injured his hamstring against Magheracloone in a club game after 10 mins.
I'm slightly surprised Ryan Wylie didn't get the nod ahead of Kieran Duffy. Karl O'Connell better give a big performance as Paudie McKenna is on the bench and O'Rourke is a fan of McKenna (though club and U-21 commitments kept McKenna unavailable for all the league games).
Quote from: Sleater on April 25, 2014, 10:58:55 AM
O'Rourke is notorious for making changes to the team that was sent to the media. Can you see Monaghan lining out like this? Walshe is defintely out. He injured his hamstring against Magheracloone in a club game after 10 mins.
I'm slightly surprised Ryan Wylie didn't get the nod ahead of Kieran Duffy. Karl O'Connell better give a big performance as Paudie McKenna is on the bench and O'Rourke is a fan of McKenna (though club and U-21 commitments kept McKenna unavailable for all the league games).
Yeah I'd expect a change or two, but as you say Walshe is definitely out so there's no changing that, big loss. I'd agree on O'Connell, he's really all pace, there's certainly better footballers on the bench. Wylie could get ahead of Duffy yet, he'll take that spot in the long run anyway imo.
There's usually a few changes from the named team to the starting team (understatement alert).
Is that Doogan out of the championship? or is it just a 2 months out fracture?
The NFL division finals produce good entertaining games, all the more so if your team is winning. Donegal for us just brings up so many happy memories, long may they continue :)
So far
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That's just showing off, drici.
I doubt it will, but if that full-back line starts as shown, we'll be exposed there I think. Kelly has improved this year to be fair but I still think Duffy can be a bit rash. Anyone think Vinny will go back like in the Ulster final? Murphy didn't get a lick that day.
A quiet game so far. McGuinness' pre match, 10 minutes fire and brimstone pep talk, seems to have rapidly vaporised in that space between ears.
Some good shooting from Monaghan, who should be more than 3 points ahead at half time.
Does that count as a kick? ;D
Now a hole in the Donegal blanket. Great chance for Monaghan.
Quote from: CD on April 27, 2014, 03:04:11 PM
Does that count as a kick? ;D
It was definitely a boot.
Will Kavanagh miss next match?
Dodgy penalty there, definitely outside the box. Well taken though, game on.
What a goal for Monaghan, that was total football.
So why did a Murphy not get a black card there? It was very similar to Cavanagh's last year only further out?
Jim McGuinness has already got the best out of that Donegal panel they exceeded expectations. Monaghan look good to retain their Ulster title.
That was an entertaining game. Can't see either of these teams in the mix at the business end of the championship, but congrats to Monaghan.
Definitely the best team won. Can't see Donegal doing much this year to be honest.
After Donegal drew level, Monaghan just picked up the pace very nicely and drew clear. Donegal didn't show much after that.
Monaghan had 10 players on the scoresheet.
That's a nice looking cup, makes it all worthwhile.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 27, 2014, 03:44:31 PM
Definitely the best team won. Can't see Donegal doing much this year to be honest.
Eh, I can easily see them doing a number on Derry or any number of teams. After Dublin there are no stand-out teams this year.
Not long back from the game, clearly pleased with the scoring and general performance.
Donegal didn't seem to want to know in the last 20 minutes and I'd be sickened if I'd travelled to support them in that game, even though the same team has delivered big time.
From a Monaghan perspective, one big concern was the injury to Owen Lennon. Celebrations were noticeably more low-key than last year's Division 3 win.
Great result today- good to keep the winning habit. A fairly comfortable win in fairness, with Donegal looking poor. Leaves us in a good position heading into Ulster. Good to see Darren Hughes playing well considering he's not long back. Hopefully Lennon's injury isn't too serious.
Also, academic now, but that penalty decision was ridiculous. And it's only thanks to Hawkeye that we got a perfectly good point in the first half. A poor outing from the officials- in a closer game it might have been costly.
Quote from: babarino on April 27, 2014, 09:58:31 PM
Not long back from the game, clearly pleased with the scoring and general performance.
Donegal didn't seem to want to know in the last 20 minutes and I'd be sickened if I'd travelled to support them in that game, even though the same team has delivered big time.
From a Monaghan perspective, one big concern was the injury to Owen Lennon. Celebrations were noticeably more low-key than last year's Division 3 win.
From what I saw on the replay he seemed to land okay, at least there was no obvious bad twist, but somehow he did injure himself. If he's ruptured his ligaments then we're all fecked, if we're lucky he could have just damaged them, would mean a 3 or 4 week rehab.
Hopefully it is only a mild injury, and given it's 7 weeks until our championship game he could recover. A serious injury, and we are proper fecked. Lennon is one man we can't afford an injury to, we're light at midfield as it is.
Great win today, particularly pleasing was the performance and the spread and quality of scores we took. The lads must have outside of the boot competitions in training! The younger lads showed up well, it was a big start for Paudie McKenna and he had a couple of great scores, and Ryan Wylie made a positive contribution when he came on. Good performances all over really, Darren Hughes back starting was a big boost, he was fantastic in the first half.
Mad to think that two years ago we'd just been relegated to Division 3, now here we are having won two divisions in a row and Ulster in between, Mal is some man!
Good performance today. Great scores from all over. Donegal were poor but that isn't Monaghans fault. Handled the 3 dangermen inside quite well again. Hope Lennon isn't too badly hurt. Clerkin did OK but there probably isn't a full match at full speed in him at this stage. Darren Hughes back is the big plus from today.
Whatever went on in Portugal, it wasn't conducive to preparing the team for a finals confrontation with Monaghan.
Donegal were poor but even when they did decide to play after half time, their discipline was awful.
You know your discipline is really fecked when Dessie Mone can be seen to be acting the peacemaker.
For Donegal I thought McFadden looked sharp and dangerous but too often he was isolated when getting on the ball, before getting ambushed.
It was nice to see McKenna's confident performance, Dessie Mone's orchestration, Finlay's distribution and the quality of the scores. Though we can't read that much into it all, that's why it was just nice to see.