FIFPro World XI: Manuel Neuer (Bayern Munich); Philipp Lahm (Bayern Munich), Sergio Ramos (Real Madrid), Thiago Silva (Paris Saint-Germain), Dani Alves (Barcelona); Andres Iniesta (Barcelona), Xavi (Barcelona), Franck Ribery (Bayern Munich); Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid, Lionel Messi (Barcelona), Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Paris Saint-Germaint.co/vjKW0FZj8H
6 La Liga players : How Barca had more players then Bayern is comical after the hammering they received in the Cl
3 Bundesliga
2 Ligue 1
0 Premier League
0 Serie A.
Would expect Ronaldo to get player of the year tonight
The omissions of Suarez and Bale are laughable.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 13, 2014, 05:52:44 PM
FIFPro World XI: Manuel Neuer (Bayern Munich); Philipp Lahm (Bayern Munich), Sergio Ramos (Real Madrid), Thiago Silva (Paris Saint-Germain), Dani Alves (Barcelona); Andres Iniesta (Barcelona), Xavi (Barcelona), Franck Ribery (Bayern Munich); Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid, Lionel Messi (Barcelona), Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Paris Saint-Germaint.co/vjKW0FZj8H
6 La Liga players : How Barca had more players then Bayern is comical after the hammering they received in the Cl
3 Bundesliga
2 Ligue 1
0 Premier League
0 Serie A.
Would expect Ronaldo to get player of the year tonight
Javi Martinez instead of Xavi would be their only other one they could have got. He was brilliant in the Champs league for them
None of their strikers were better than the front 3 picked. None of their midfielders were better than Iniesta and Alaba wasnt better than Alves last season.
Suarez and Bale instead of who??
David Alaba was very unlucky to miss out and Schweinteiger. Nothing wrong with the front 3.
Sergio Ramos is one lad you could take off that team for a start.
Xavi has been a great player but his best days are probably behind him now and he hasn't been at the same level over the past year.
Schweinsteiger only played 11 games in the league last season so that
rules him out. Dortmund are unlucky not to have someone in it.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 13, 2014, 05:52:44 PM
FIFPro World XI: Manuel Neuer (Bayern Munich); Philipp Lahm (Bayern Munich), Sergio Ramos (Real Madrid), Thiago Silva (Paris Saint-Germain), Dani Alves (Barcelona); Andres Iniesta (Barcelona), Xavi (Barcelona), Franck Ribery (Bayern Munich); Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid, Lionel Messi (Barcelona), Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Paris Saint-Germaint.co/vjKW0FZj8H
6 La Liga players : How Barca had more players then Bayern is comical after the hammering they received in the Cl
3 Bundesliga
2 Ligue 1
0 Premier League
0 Serie A.
Would expect Ronaldo to get player of the year tonight
Fifa are an improvement on the allstars. The final isn't the be all and end all. Tyrone would have had more allstars under fifa. Mayo would have had 1.
Quote from: Rossie11 on January 13, 2014, 07:26:58 PM
Schweinsteiger only played 11 games in the league last season so that
rules him out. Dortmund are unlucky not to have someone in it.
Think you are wrong. He played a lot more then 11 games in the League
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CCgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBastian_Schweinsteiger&ei=zz_UUoiCFqbd7Qaq3IHoAg&usg=AFQjCNHJAPq7zJo3Kiv7S8dlnRmW2iyKlQ
Quote from: Rossie11 on January 13, 2014, 06:28:59 PM
Suarez and Bale instead of who??
The question is: who would you put in instead of Suarez and Bale?
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 13, 2014, 06:32:56 PM
David Alaba was very unlucky to miss out and Schweinteiger. Nothing wrong with the front 3.
Alaba was far superior to Alves in 2013. Xavi and Messi shouldn't be on it either.
Barca got a record 100 pts in the league without a coach for most of it.
Messi got 46 league goals.
I am a pool fan but to say Suarez or god help us Bale was better than him is stretching it
Do people only watch Barca in 2-3 games in Champs league and make a conclusion
their players are crap??
Xavi should not be on it but messi iniesta and alves were best players in their positions.
Well you must only watch la liga if you think schweinstieger played 11 games in the 12/13 season where thwy won the treble.
You are correct on that one Rodney. Was CL figures I read. He was injured for a chunk of the season and not close to his best. The rest I stand over..
Munich are a team rather than a bunch of brilliant individuals.
Last award of the night.
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Quote from: Rossie11 on January 13, 2014, 08:18:03 PM
Barca got a record 100 pts in the league without a coach for most of it.
Messi got 46 league goals.
I am a pool fan but to say Suarez or god help us Bale was better than him is stretching it
Do people only watch Barca in 2-3 games in Champs league and make a conclusion
their players are crap??
Xavi should not be on it but messi iniesta and alves were best players in their positions.
Messi scored 45 goals in 2013 while Suarez got 41 I think. However Suarez got more from play as a signoificant chunk of Messi's came from penalties (at least 10) whereas I think only one of Suarez's goals came from a penalty.
Suarez has carried an otherwise average Liverpool team on his back for the whole year and dragged a struggling Uruguayan team to World Cup qualification. The Premier League is also a more competitive league than the Spanish league where most teams simply roll over and have their bellies tickled against the big two.
On that basis, Suarez deserves to be picked for a 2013 team ahead of Messi.
Alaba was one of Bayern Munich's real stars this year and is the best left-back in he world. Alves doesn't even play left-back. How Alves has been named at left back ahead of Alaba is baffling.
Likewise lahm playing in midfield since pep took over...
Fair play to Ronaldo, not often a player who didn't win a medal in that year year wins the ballon d'or http://t.co/Dwmfzmcu17
Quote from: Sidney on January 13, 2014, 08:55:42 PM
Quote from: Rossie11 on January 13, 2014, 08:18:03 PM
Barca got a record 100 pts in the league without a coach for most of it.
Messi got 46 league goals.
I am a pool fan but to say Suarez or god help us Bale was better than him is stretching it
Do people only watch Barca in 2-3 games in Champs league and make a conclusion
their players are crap??
Xavi should not be on it but messi iniesta and alves were best players in their positions.
Messi scored 45 goals in 2013 while Suarez got 41 I think. However Suarez got more from play as a signoificant chunk of Messi's came from penalties (at least 10) whereas I think only one of Suarez's goals came from a penalty.
Suarez has carried an otherwise average Liverpool team on his back for the whole year and dragged a struggling Uruguayan team to World Cup qualification. The Premier League is also a more competitive league than the Spanish league where most teams simply roll over and have their bellies tickled against the big two.
On that basis, Suarez deserves to be picked for a 2013 team ahead of Messi.
Alaba was one of Bayern Munich's real stars this year and is the best left-back in he world. Alves doesn't even play left-back. How Alves has been named at left back ahead of Alaba is baffling.
How many games did Suarez and Messi each play? Alves shouldn't be on the team and neither should Ramos. Fair play to Ronaldo for winning, but a fit Messi would have won it again.
Quote from: Sidney on January 13, 2014, 06:27:42 PM
The omissions of Suarez and Bale are laughable.
Not as laughable as there inclusion would be.
To say that Suarez, good as he is is better than Messi is a joke. Messi's consistent record speaks for itself, he brings more to a team than goals. Barca with a fit Messi and a coach would not have gone down 7-0 over two legs to Bayern.
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 14, 2014, 10:12:41 AM
To say that Suarez, good as he is is better than Messi is a joke. Messi's consistent record speaks for itself, he brings more to a team than goals. Barca with a fit Messi and a coach would not have gone down 7-0 over two legs to Bayern.
Suarez's performances in 2013 were better than those of Messi. That should be the only criteria for selection.
Based on that my selection would have been:
Neuer
Lahm
Silva
Dante
Alaba
Ribery
Iniesta
Bale
Suarez
Cronaldo
Ibrahimovic
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 14, 2014, 10:40:37 AM
As for Suarez being better or having a better year than Messi, that is a joke. Messi had been doing all year what Suarez has done the past few months, only with more goals to show for it.
I've had a look at the stats again and Suarez actually scored more goals in 2013 than than Messi did.
Suarez actually got 43 while Messi got 42.
Suarez got 14 Premier League goals from January to April, and 19 from September to December. 2 in the Europa League and 8 for Uruguay.
8 of Messi's goals came from penalties whereas only 2 of Suarez's goals did.
So in terms of goals scored from open play or free-kicks, Suarez got 41 to Messi's 34.
How, therefore, is it a joke, to say that Suarez had a better year than Messi? Rather, it's a joke to say otherwise based on preconceived notions of who is the better player, when the statistics don't back you up.
When Suarez starts to score regularly against the top 7 or even in the UCL in can enter this conversation, currently he is nothing but a flat-track bully, a pretty good one at that mind.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 14, 2014, 11:22:38 AM
When Suarez starts to score regularly against the top 7 or even in the UCL in can enter this conversation, currently he is nothing but a flat-track bully, a pretty good one at that mind.
When Messi gets his team to a World Cup semi-final then we can talk.
a) that was 4 years ago
b) if it was him that got them to the semi finals then why did Forlane get player of the tournament.
Or maybe you're referring to his handball...
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 14, 2014, 11:34:13 AM
a) that was 4 years ago
b) if it was him that got them to the semi finals then why did Forlane get player of the tournament.
Or maybe you're referring to his handball...
Yet people are making a similar argument about why Messi should included in a team of the year
2013 ahead of Suarez, when I've clearly shown why Suarez had a better year
2013 than him.
Ramos would have been a debatable enough selection, does well to complete 90 minutes, decent player though. Probaly a bit of bias towards la liga, remember the whole team consisted of players from la liga last year. First year a player from the Bundesliga or Ligue 1 was selected on the team. Messi is still a genius
Ronaldo was the firat player since Figo in 2000, to win the Ballon D'or without actually winning a trophy in that year
Club/country. 69 goals 59 games for Ronaldoin 2013 with Madrid.
Quote from: Sidney on January 14, 2014, 11:31:23 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 14, 2014, 11:22:38 AM
When Suarez starts to score regularly against the top 7 or even in the UCL in can enter this conversation, currently he is nothing but a flat-track bully, a pretty good one at that mind.
When Messi gets his team to a World Cup semi-final then we can talk.
The UCL and EPL much higher standard than International Football.
You fellas are all mad.
If you and your best mate sat down to name the best starting XI for the club you both support, then it would be different.
The chances of any one of 500 odd people from around the world defining what actually is the best team, when they've maybe seen some of the nominations only once or twice over the calendar year, is categorically none. So we've now got 500 multiplied by none. Which is none.
Quote from: Sidney on January 14, 2014, 11:02:01 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 14, 2014, 10:40:37 AM
As for Suarez being better or having a better year than Messi, that is a joke. Messi had been doing all year what Suarez has done the past few months, only with more goals to show for it.
I've had a look at the stats again and Suarez actually scored more goals in 2013 than than Messi did.
Suarez actually got 43 while Messi got 42.
Suarez got 14 Premier League goals from January to April, and 19 from September to December. 2 in the Europa League and 8 for Uruguay.
8 of Messi's goals came from penalties whereas only 2 of Suarez's goals did.
So in terms of goals scored from open play or free-kicks, Suarez got 41 to Messi's 34.
How, therefore, is it a joke, to say that Suarez had a better year than Messi? Rather, it's a joke to say otherwise based on preconceived notions of who is the better player, when the statistics don't back you up.
Where did you see these stats? Suarez and Messi both scored 42 goals this year.
How many games did each player play? And how can you classify open play and a free kick as being the same with a penalty being seen as completely different? Penalties and free kicks should be categorised together if anything.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 14, 2014, 12:12:59 PM
Quote from: Sidney on January 14, 2014, 11:02:01 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 14, 2014, 10:40:37 AM
As for Suarez being better or having a better year than Messi, that is a joke. Messi had been doing all year what Suarez has done the past few months, only with more goals to show for it.
I've had a look at the stats again and Suarez actually scored more goals in 2013 than than Messi did.
Suarez actually got 43 while Messi got 42.
Suarez got 14 Premier League goals from January to April, and 19 from September to December. 2 in the Europa League and 8 for Uruguay.
8 of Messi's goals came from penalties whereas only 2 of Suarez's goals did.
So in terms of goals scored from open play or free-kicks, Suarez got 41 to Messi's 34.
How, therefore, is it a joke, to say that Suarez had a better year than Messi? Rather, it's a joke to say otherwise based on preconceived notions of who is the better player, when the statistics don't back you up.
Where did you see these stats? Suarez and Messi both scored 42 goals this year.
How many games did each player play? And how can you classify open play and a free kick as being the same with a penalty being seen as completely different? Penalties and free kicks should be categorised together if anything.
Goals from free-kicks and penalties should be categorised together?
Really?
You don't see the difference between the two?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 14, 2014, 11:46:18 AM
The UCL and EPL much higher standard than International Football.
The standard the top international teams play at is pretty much the same level as the top level of Champions League football.
In a hypothetical scenario where they were allowed compete in the competition, Spain, Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Holland and Italy would all be Champions League contenders.
Do you think the Chelsea team which won the 2012 Champions League was as good as the Spanish team which won Euro 2012?
The EPL is certainly a more competitive league than La Liga, though.
Quote from: Sidney on January 14, 2014, 12:37:44 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 14, 2014, 11:46:18 AM
The UCL and EPL much higher standard than International Football.
The standard the top international teams play at is pretty much the same level as the top level of Champions League football.
In a hypothetical scenario where they were allowed compete in the competition, Spain, Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Holland and Italy would all be Champions League contenders.
Do you think the Chelsea team which won the 2012 Champions League was as good as the Spanish team which won Euro 2012?
The EPL is certainly a more competitive league than La Liga, though.
But we're not talking hypothetical situation though are we. International teams play maybe 10 times a year with minimum training, it's impossible to play at your maximum ability as a team with such little game time and preparation hence the standard is significantly lower than the top professional leagues and the UCL.
Look at how many poor footballers excel at international football, it's easier for a poor player to step up a level than it is for a good player to step down a level.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 14, 2014, 11:46:18 AM
Quote from: Sidney on January 14, 2014, 11:31:23 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 14, 2014, 11:22:38 AM
When Suarez starts to score regularly against the top 7 or even in the UCL in can enter this conversation, currently he is nothing but a flat-track bully, a pretty good one at that mind.
When Messi gets his team to a World Cup semi-final then we can talk.
The UCL and EPL much higher standard than International Football.
It's a moot point about standard of play, galactico club players who play with each other week in week out are bound to have a better rhythm in their team game than players who just meet for internationals. Nevertheless a difference comes into the standard once an intl team play together for a few weeks or a month.
Is a CL Bayern v Barca of a higher standards to Euro semi finals Spain/Germany/Italy/ Portugal?
A Barca dismantling of Man U in a CL final, higher than Spain dismantling Netherlands or Italy in a Euro final?
At the WC and Euro Finals, the class players have to perform against similar standard players that they would meet in the CL.
The standard of the EPL is mixed, some good, some reasonable and some ordinary bog standard. Certain class players like Larsson don't need to be playing in the top leagues just to prove they are class, but only an football idiot would have claimed that Larsson was unproven before he went to Barca.
Suarez is one of the few truly class player of this generation.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 14, 2014, 11:22:38 AM
When Suarez starts to score regularly against the top 7 or even in the UCL in can enter this conversation, currently he is nothing but a flat-track bully, a pretty good one at that mind.
In the last season and a half Suarez has played 16 games against the rest of the Top 7, and scored in 8 of those games (10 goals). Scored at least once against all of those teams in that short time span - bar ManU (played against less due to suspension)
Not sure where you're getting that he doesnt score against top teams, because its utter nonsense.
He scores more against the rubbishy teams, but so does Ronaldo, Messi and probably every other top striker there has ever been.
He has only scored 12 goals against the top 7 teams currently in the EPL spanning over 2 and 1/2 seasons (60 goals in total). He has 5 UCL goals to his name. This season when it mattered most (the context of the game) he has failed to score against City, Chelsea and Arsenal despite the opportunities presented to him.
Messi has scored 17 goals against Real Madrid alone.
Quote from: Hound on January 14, 2014, 01:08:26 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 14, 2014, 11:22:38 AM
When Suarez starts to score regularly against the top 7 or even in the UCL in can enter this conversation, currently he is nothing but a flat-track bully, a pretty good one at that mind.
Not sure where you're getting that he doesnt score against top teams, because its utter nonsense.
It was the latest bunkum being peddled about after he didn't score in the two Chelsea/Man City games over Christmas (despite actually still playing well). Quickly debunked as bobbins.
Quote from: Sidney on January 14, 2014, 12:28:58 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 14, 2014, 12:12:59 PM
Quote from: Sidney on January 14, 2014, 11:02:01 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 14, 2014, 10:40:37 AM
As for Suarez being better or having a better year than Messi, that is a joke. Messi had been doing all year what Suarez has done the past few months, only with more goals to show for it.
I've had a look at the stats again and Suarez actually scored more goals in 2013 than than Messi did.
Suarez actually got 43 while Messi got 42.
Suarez got 14 Premier League goals from January to April, and 19 from September to December. 2 in the Europa League and 8 for Uruguay.
8 of Messi's goals came from penalties whereas only 2 of Suarez's goals did.
So in terms of goals scored from open play or free-kicks, Suarez got 41 to Messi's 34.
How, therefore, is it a joke, to say that Suarez had a better year than Messi? Rather, it's a joke to say otherwise based on preconceived notions of who is the better player, when the statistics don't back you up.
Where did you see these stats? Suarez and Messi both scored 42 goals this year.
How many games did each player play? And how can you classify open play and a free kick as being the same with a penalty being seen as completely different? Penalties and free kicks should be categorised together if anything.
Goals from free-kicks and penalties should be categorised together?
Really?
You don't see the difference between the two?
A free kick would be closer to the 'Penalty' category than 'open play'.
Quote from: Sidney on January 14, 2014, 10:32:05 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 14, 2014, 10:12:41 AM
To say that Suarez, good as he is is better than Messi is a joke. Messi's consistent record speaks for itself, he brings more to a team than goals. Barca with a fit Messi and a coach would not have gone down 7-0 over two legs to Bayern.
Suarez's performances in 2013 were better than those of Messi. That should be the only criteria for selection.
Based on that my selection would have been:
Neuer
Lahm
Silva
Dante
Alaba
Ribery
Iniesta
Bale
Suarez
Cronaldo
Ibrahimovic
Absolute nonsense, you need to start watching La Liga.
Quote from: Sidney on January 14, 2014, 10:32:05 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 14, 2014, 10:12:41 AM
To say that Suarez, good as he is is better than Messi is a joke. Messi's consistent record speaks for itself, he brings more to a team than goals. Barca with a fit Messi and a coach would not have gone down 7-0 over two legs to Bayern.
Suarez's performances in 2013 were better than those of Messi. That should be the only criteria for selection.
Based on that my selection would have been:
Neuer
Lahm
Silva
Dante
Alaba
Ribery
Iniesta
Bale
Suarez
Cronaldo
Ibrahimovic
How is Ibrahimovic or Bale in ahead of Messi though? He scored more goals than both of them.
You've one spot left on your team and Leo and Luis are standing there, who do you pick?
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 14, 2014, 02:02:40 PM
Quote from: Sidney on January 14, 2014, 10:32:05 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 14, 2014, 10:12:41 AM
To say that Suarez, good as he is is better than Messi is a joke. Messi's consistent record speaks for itself, he brings more to a team than goals. Barca with a fit Messi and a coach would not have gone down 7-0 over two legs to Bayern.
Suarez's performances in 2013 were better than those of Messi. That should be the only criteria for selection.
Based on that my selection would have been:
Neuer
Lahm
Silva
Dante
Alaba
Ribery
Iniesta
Bale
Suarez
Cronaldo
Ibrahimovic
How is Ibrahimovic or Bale in ahead of Messi though? He scored more goals than both of them.
Bale doesn't play as a forward, don't know why you are using him as a comparison
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 14, 2014, 01:30:35 PM
He has only scored 12 goals against the top 7 teams currently in the EPL spanning over 2 and 1/2 seasons (60 goals in total). He has 5 UCL goals to his name. This season when it mattered most (the context of the game) he has failed to score against City, Chelsea and Arsenal despite the opportunities presented to him.
Yip, so it is pure nonsense to say he doesn't score against good teams.
Like any striker he won't take every chance, but he certainly missed nothing easy away to City, Chelsea or Arsenal, games where the opposition played better than Liverpool.
In just the last season and a half, and despite suspensions, he's scored against Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham and Everton. And all the while playing with plenty of pretty mediocre teammates.
Gee I said regularly against the top sides, maybe he might in the 2nd half of the season but I have my doubts.
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 14, 2014, 02:06:33 PM
You've one spot left on your team and Leo and Luis are standing there, who do you pick?
I'd pick Messi (by a nose), but that isn't the question.
The question is who performed better in 2013.
I'd take Messi over Ronaldo but Ronaldo performed better in 2013. Same with Suarez.
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 14, 2014, 01:55:13 PM
Absolute nonsense, you need to start watching La Liga.
I'd wager that I watch a lot more of La Liga than you do.
Quote from: Sidney on January 14, 2014, 02:15:43 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 14, 2014, 02:06:33 PM
You've one spot left on your team and Leo and Luis are standing there, who do you pick?
I'd pick Messi (by a nose), but that isn't the question.
The question is who performed better in 2013.
I'd take Messi over Ronaldo but Ronaldo performed better in 2013. Same with Suarez.
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 14, 2014, 01:55:13 PM
Absolute nonsense, you need to start watching La Liga.
I'd wager that I watch a lot more of La Liga than you do.
You'd lose that one I'm afraid.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 14, 2014, 01:34:04 PM
A free kick would be closer to the 'Penalty' category than 'open play'.
You'll find plenty of video compilations of Messi's free-kicks, but not too many of his penalties.
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 14, 2014, 02:19:50 PM
Quote from: Sidney on January 14, 2014, 02:15:43 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 14, 2014, 02:06:33 PM
You've one spot left on your team and Leo and Luis are standing there, who do you pick?
I'd pick Messi (by a nose), but that isn't the question.
The question is who performed better in 2013.
I'd take Messi over Ronaldo but Ronaldo performed better in 2013. Same with Suarez.
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 14, 2014, 01:55:13 PM
Absolute nonsense, you need to start watching La Liga.
I'd wager that I watch a lot more of La Liga than you do.
You'd lose that one I'm afraid.
Right you are.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 14, 2014, 02:08:06 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 14, 2014, 02:02:40 PM
Quote from: Sidney on January 14, 2014, 10:32:05 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 14, 2014, 10:12:41 AM
To say that Suarez, good as he is is better than Messi is a joke. Messi's consistent record speaks for itself, he brings more to a team than goals. Barca with a fit Messi and a coach would not have gone down 7-0 over two legs to Bayern.
Suarez's performances in 2013 were better than those of Messi. That should be the only criteria for selection.
Based on that my selection would have been:
Neuer
Lahm
Silva
Dante
Alaba
Ribery
Iniesta
Bale
Suarez
Cronaldo
Ibrahimovic
How is Ibrahimovic or Bale in ahead of Messi though? He scored more goals than both of them.
Bale doesn't play as a forward, don't know why you are using him as a comparison
He was effectively a loose forward last season and played as far up the field as Messi.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 14, 2014, 02:29:27 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 14, 2014, 02:08:06 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 14, 2014, 02:02:40 PM
Quote from: Sidney on January 14, 2014, 10:32:05 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 14, 2014, 10:12:41 AM
To say that Suarez, good as he is is better than Messi is a joke. Messi's consistent record speaks for itself, he brings more to a team than goals. Barca with a fit Messi and a coach would not have gone down 7-0 over two legs to Bayern.
Suarez's performances in 2013 were better than those of Messi. That should be the only criteria for selection.
Based on that my selection would have been:
Neuer
Lahm
Silva
Dante
Alaba
Ribery
Iniesta
Bale
Suarez
Cronaldo
Ibrahimovic
How is Ibrahimovic or Bale in ahead of Messi though? He scored more goals than both of them.
Bale doesn't play as a forward, don't know why you are using him as a comparison
He was effectively a loose forward last season and played as far up the field as Messi.
Still a difference in a wide player and a forward.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 14, 2014, 02:14:55 PM
Gee I said regularly against the top sides, maybe he might in the 2nd half of the season but I have my doubts.
Yeah, but he does regularly score against the top sides, having scored against all bar one of the Top 7 in last season and a half (and 11 of the 16 games he played in against them were away from home).
I wouldn't have Suarez ahead of Messi. If you were offered a swap from Barcelona, would you not take it in a heartbeat?
However, I'd have him over ibrahimovich all day.
Quote from: Sidney on January 14, 2014, 10:32:05 AM
Suarez's performances in 2013 were better than those of Messi. That should be the only criteria for selection.
Put simply, they weren't and Messi hasn't been fit since his injury against PSG.
Ronaldo best player on an individual level, which is what the award is for, so he wins hands down.
How the feck did Larry Reilly not win the award ?
Quote from: gallsman on January 14, 2014, 03:58:00 PM
Quote from: Sidney on January 14, 2014, 10:32:05 AM
Suarez's performances in 2013 were better than those of Messi. That should be the only criteria for selection.
Put simply, they weren't and Messi hasn't been fit since his injury against PSG.
Injury, and what a player could have done were they not injured, should not be taken into account. Similarly, what Suarez could have done when he was suspended should not be taken into account.
The only criteria is what the player actually did during 2013. Suarez has been better.
You could argue during 2013 that he was better than Ibra. There would be little complaint there.
I would argue that if Ibra had scored that goal against any other team he wouldn't be in it.
A team or player is only noticed when they preform against England or in some cases play in the EPL.
Ibra has had a great career is not everyone's cup of tea but it was only this year that the masses acknowledged him
Player votes
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Barca have had players on the team of the year every year since 05 http://t.co/oDMpbAQMSP
Dani Alves, Xavi Hernández, Andrés Iniesta and Leo Messi were yesterday name as part of the FIFA/FIFPro World XI 2013 - a team chosen by more than 50,000 players from around the globe. With four players in the side, Barça were once again the Club with most representatives - something that has happened in each of the last eight years (though they shared that honour with Real Madrid in 2012, when both sides provided 5 players each).
Messi has formed part of the World XI in each of the last seven seasons, whilst Xavi and Iniesta have appeared in teh last 6 and 5 respectively.
Here is a complete list of quests són els representants del Barça a la història del FIFA/FIFPro World XI:
2005: Eto'o and Ronaldinho.
2006: Zambrotta, Thuram, Eto'o and Ronaldinho.
2007: Puyol, Messi and Ronaldinho.
2008: Puyol, Xavi and Messi.
2009: Alves, Xavi, Iniesta and Messi.
2010: Puyol, Piqué, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi and Villa.
2011: Alves, Piqué, Xavi, Iniesta and Messi.
2012: Alves, Piqué, Xavi, Iniesta and Messi.
2013: Alves, Xavi, Iniesta and Messi.
Quote from: Sidney on January 14, 2014, 06:15:59 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 14, 2014, 03:58:00 PM
Quote from: Sidney on January 14, 2014, 10:32:05 AM
Suarez's performances in 2013 were better than those of Messi. That should be the only criteria for selection.
Put simply, they weren't and Messi hasn't been fit since his injury against PSG.
Injury, and what a player could have done were they not injured, should not be taken into account. Similarly, what Suarez could have done when he was suspended should not be taken into account.
The only criteria is what the player actually did during 2013. Suarez has been better.
Sidney, I still really struggle to see how you can argue that Suarez 'did better'. You haven't provided any stats on the number of appearances both players made to see who actually did do better. Additionally, I don't think there are many in the world who would agree with you. The top two (Messi and Ronaldo) are a level above their challengers.
I read this morning that despite only playing 3 La Liga games in 2013, Casillas was second in the voting for the No. 1 spot.
Quote from: Estimator on January 15, 2014, 08:26:25 AM
I read this morning that despite only playing 3 La Liga games in 2013, Casillas was second in the voting for the No. 1 spot.
Unbelievable. How is Pique regularly voted into the team? A lot better Centrebacks out there
A bad week for Lionel Messi, after losing out to Cristiano Ronaldo for the FIFA Ballon d'Or, got worse on Wednesday when the Barcelona forward failed to make it into the UEFA.com team of the year.
The UEFA team was chosen by users of the European body's website, and not a single Barca player was included despite the team winning the Spanish Primera Division title. Messi finished 13th in terms of votes, cast by more than half a million visitors to the website or via social media sites.
Only one current Premier League player, Arsenal's Mesut Ozil, has made it into the team, although Wales midfielder Gareth Bale, who moved from Tottenham to Real Madrid in the summer, is also included.
No English players made it into the team, but there are four from Germany - Manuel Neuer, Philipp Lahm, Marco Reus and Ozil.
Portugal captain Ronaldo, who won the Ballon d'Or on Monday, is named in the team for the eighth time and an unprecedented seventh time in a row.
The uefa.com team of 2013: Manuel Neuer (Bayern Munich and Germany); Sergio Ramos (Real Madrid and Spain), Thiago Silva (Paris St Germain and Brazil), Philipp Lahm (Bayern Munich and Germany), David Alaba (Bayern Munich and Austria); Franck Ribery (Bayern Munich and France), Marco Reus (Borussia Dortmund and Germany) Mesut Ozil (Arsenal and Germany), Gareth Bale (Real Madrid and Wales); Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid and Portugal), Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Paris St Germain and Sweden).
Now that team is an even bigger joke that the FIFA one.
Bale ahead of messi and Reus ahead of Iniesta. Obviously the huge fan bases
of the EPL and Germany as a whole got a few of these over the line.
No harm looking at a few predictable names not being there,boring seeing the same names every year.clearly biased towards la liga in FifPro, the whole team consisted of la liga players last year- fifpeo. Casillaa as second choice gk this year with 3 appearances, say no more
Messi and Iniesta are hardly loosing sleep, enough accolades as it is
World player of the year scored a cracker this evening ;D
Fifpro reserves team of the year
Casillas (Real Madrid), David Luiz (Chelsea), Pique (Barcelona), Marcelo (Real Madrid), Alaba (Bayern Munich); Ozil (Arsenal), Bale (Real Madrid), Y.Toure (Manchester City); Neymar (Barcelona), Falcao (Monaco), Van Persie (Manchester United).
Quote from: Rossie11 on January 15, 2014, 09:17:24 PM
Now that team is an even bigger joke that the FIFA one.
Bale ahead of messi and Reus ahead of Iniesta. Obviously the huge fan bases
of the EPL and Germany as a whole got a few of these over the line.
I'd say Leo is gutted and would gladly swap his La Liga medal for this accolade.
No Jonny Evans? Typical FIFA, corrupt sectarian bastards