Cavan to light up the year, reaching All-Ireland semi or final with an Ulster title in the bag.
Mayo bow out tamely to Meath in an earlier round, having been dumped out of their provincial by Roscommon. Sligo win out West.
Cork lift Munster but lose to Derry in the quarters.
Dublin win everything and have a robot playing full back.
Kilkenny back.
Brolly makes controversial remarks about something.
Like the sound of the first line O Neill, but getting promotion from division 3 would be the priority for Cavan next year. Tough away game in Ulster against Armagh who will be seeking revenge, another run in the championship would be great though
Quote from: ONeill on December 24, 2013, 12:08:16 PM
Cavan to light up the year, reaching All-Ireland semi or final with an Ulster title in the bag.
Mayo bow out tamely to Meath in an earlier round, having been dumped out of their provincial by Roscommon. Sligo win out West.
Cork lift Munster but lose to Derry in the quarters.
Dublin win everything and have a robot playing full back.
Kilkenny back.
Brolly makes controversial remarks about something.
Sure that's ridiculous - the Black and Whites never beat Roscommon in Connacht finals.
Oh gawd, not even sure if you're serious or not tbh but just to clarify for anyone who would take such a daft post even remotely serious, Mayo will win Connacht at a canter .four in a row , ere we go.
Expect a big Renaissance fom Armagh next year,and Peter Canavan fulfilling a lifelong ambition by playing for his Alma mater in the Mc Kenna Cup taking the same route as Geraghty
More talk of rule changes.
Quote from: orangeman on December 25, 2013, 12:56:28 PM
More talk of rule changes.
Hand-passing outlawed. Gooch counts as two players.
Cavan will suffer second season syndrome.
Dublin will retain Sam.
There will be at least 2 high profile Black Card controversies in the knockout stages of the All Ireland Series.
Spillane will continue to be a blight on the GAA coverage.
Quote from: Westside on December 25, 2013, 06:40:01 PM
Cavan will suffer second season syndrome.
Dublin will retain Sam.
There will be at least 2 high profile Black Card controversies in the knockout stages of the All Ireland Series.
Spillane will continue to be a blight on the GAA coverage.
I'm glad you are playing us down again Westside. :)
I don't think Dublin will go back to back. They'll slip up along the way. Not sure who'll land Sam though.
Meath will probably get to a Leinster final again if they avoid Dublin. We have some nice young players and a few coming back from injury like David Bray and Shane O'Rourke so it'll be interesting to see if this new generation can achieve similar things as they did at underage.
Consistency.
Can't wait to see if national league will be reffed differently to championship and if there will be calls for refs to let it go more and what the CCCC do when the ref gets stick at the end of a game where he has walked about 6 or 7 players.
Ger Canning will be mediocre. Sunday Game to be hugely controversial every week until fuball QFs. Tourists watching will wonder about Spillane. Brian Carthy will continue to be very mediocre. Syfin will tip Ros to win World Cup sometime in May. Kerry to lose another big match by one point. Mickey Harte to.join RTE as vendetta analyst.
Quote from: seafoid on December 26, 2013, 03:26:06 PM
Ger Canning will be mediocre.
That would be a massive improvement.
The wheels to come off the Mayowestros wagon ( hopefully in the Connacht Semi but.....) as they don't make it past the Quarters.
Only Cavan of the Ulster teams make it to the Quarters as the others run out of subs and lose an average of 7 men per game to the Black card.
New FRC Proposal to restore the Meath Province ( to consist of Louth Meath and Westmeath) and add all the first round losers from everywhere else to until they reach 8.
Kerry to win Sam beating Cavan in the final.
Gooch not to win any AI next year? Heaven forbid the thought!
A Tyrone player/manager/selector will claim the whole country wants Tyrone to lose.
The DUP will claim credit that their ideology is working in the nationalist community.
Syfin will claim that Brigids one all ireland trumps everything Cross ever won.
Whoever wins the league will be installed as all ireland favs
In Naas Kildare will be at 1/100 even against the Dubs
They will be very fit as well.
Quote from: thejuice on December 25, 2013, 08:53:53 PM
I don't think Dublin will go back to back. They'll slip up along the way. Not sure who'll land Sam though.
Meath will probably get to a Leinster final again if they avoid Dublin. We have some nice young players and a few coming back from injury like David Bray and Shane O'Rourke so it'll be interesting to see if this new generation can achieve similar things as they did at underage.
2 Leinster minor titles and no u21 in the last 10 years ???
Quote from: seafoid on December 26, 2013, 08:49:46 PM
A Tyrone player/manager/selector will claim the whole country wants Tyrone to lose.
The DUP will claim credit that their ideology is working in the nationalist community.
Syfin will claim that Brigids one all ireland trumps everything Cross ever won.
Whoever wins the league will be installed as all ireland favs
In Naas Kildare will be at 1/100 even against the Dubs
They will be very fit as well.
I don't think your Kildare obsession is healthy. Will you shed a tear when a robot lines out will all those natural footballers in the New Year?
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Quote from: seafoid on December 26, 2013, 08:49:46 PM
A Tyrone player/manager/selector will claim the whole country wants Tyrone to lose.
The DUP will claim credit that their ideology is working in the nationalist community.
Syfin will claim that Brigids one all ireland trumps everything Cross ever won.
Whoever wins the league will be installed as all ireland favs
In Naas Kildare will be at 1/100 even against the Dubs
They will be very fit as well.
I don't think your Kildare obsession is healthy. Will you shed a tear when a robot lines out will all those natural footballers in the New Year?
Do robots get hungry ? It would be great if at least one team of serial nonperformers could conquer the demons in 2014.
Quote from: thejuice on December 25, 2013, 08:53:53 PMMeath will probably get to a Leinster final again if they avoid Dublin.
They already have. Avoided Dublin I mean, not got to a Leinster final.
Quote from: larryin89 on December 24, 2013, 04:54:33 PM
Oh gawd, not even sure if you're serious or not tbh but just to clarify for anyone who would take such a daft post even remotely serious, Mayo will win Connacht at a canter .four in a row , ere we go.
and Sam is on it's way to Castlebar this year, just like the All-Ireland Club Title. Real question if U-21 and minors are on their way to tge home of football that is McHale Park.
Baker Bradley will say 'so it is' in every post-match interview he gives.
Kevin Ryan will be fucked over by the Antrim County Board.
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Quote from: larryin89 on December 24, 2013, 04:54:33 PM
Oh gawd, not even sure if you're serious or not tbh but just to clarify for anyone who would take such a daft post even remotely serious, Mayo will win Connacht at a canter .four in a row , ere we go.
and Sam is on it's way to Castlebar this year, just like the All-Ireland Club Title. Real question if U-21 and minors are on their way to tge home of football that is McHale Park.
Well I'm glad to see there is a fellow realist here. The amount of tripe being spouted in here and mostly by Roscommon people is unreal ,sometimes I have to remind myself this is the same Roscommon who have beaten Mayo once in twenty odd friggin years, their ilk should not be allowed grace the same field as Mayo at least until they prove themselves through some sort of qualification process for lesser counties especially those without a coastline .
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Quote from: larryin89 on December 24, 2013, 04:54:33 PM
Oh gawd, not even sure if you're serious or not tbh but just to clarify for anyone who would take such a daft post even remotely serious, Mayo will win Connacht at a canter .four in a row , ere we go.
and Sam is on it's way to Castlebar this year, just like the All-Ireland Club Title. Real question if U-21 and minors are on their way to tge home of football that is McHale Park.
T'would be nice 'godhelpus, t'would be nice.
However I ll stick to my prediction from Sept. 12, that we will lose 3 finals in a row. It ll be one hell of an achievement if we do and finally the team might get a bit of respect.
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Quote from: larryin89 on December 24, 2013, 04:54:33 PM
Oh gawd, not even sure if you're serious or not tbh but just to clarify for anyone who would take such a daft post even remotely serious, Mayo will win Connacht at a canter .four in a row , ere we go.
and Sam is on it's way to Castlebar this year, just like the All-Ireland Club Title. Real question if U-21 and minors are on their way to tge home of football that is McHale Park.
T'would be nice 'godhelpus, t'would be nice.
However I ll stick to my prediction from Sept. 12, that we will lose 3 finals in a row. It ll be one hell of an achievement if we do and finally the team might get a bit of respect.
Has anyone ever lost three AI football finals in a row? I know Clann did the four-peat at club senior but has anyone achieved that level of damned infamy at county?
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Quote from: larryin89 on December 24, 2013, 04:54:33 PM
Oh gawd, not even sure if you're serious or not tbh but just to clarify for anyone who would take such a daft post even remotely serious, Mayo will win Connacht at a canter .four in a row , ere we go.
and Sam is on it's way to Castlebar this year, just like the All-Ireland Club Title. Real question if U-21 and minors are on their way to tge home of football that is McHale Park.
T'would be nice 'godhelpus, t'would be nice.
However I ll stick to my prediction from Sept. 12, that we will lose 3 finals in a row. It ll be one hell of an achievement if we do and finally the team might get a bit of respect.
Has anyone ever lost three AI football finals in a row? I know Clann did the four-peat at club senior but has anyone achieved that level of damned infamy at county?
Galway 1940 - 1942.
Quote from: moysider on December 30, 2013, 11:58:50 PM
However I ll stick to my prediction from Sept. 12, that we will lose 3 finals in a row. It ll be one hell of an achievement if we do and finally the team might get a bit of respect.
I thought you didn't care about respect?
Quote from: moysider on September 05, 2013, 12:27:56 AM
Y know, I couldn t give a f**k if you never respect my county. It doesn t matter.
If Mayo reach another All Ireland final its time you won it or some neutral supporters will always see Mayo as the Jimmy White of GAA.
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Quote from: larryin89 on December 24, 2013, 04:54:33 PM
Oh gawd, not even sure if you're serious or not tbh but just to clarify for anyone who would take such a daft post even remotely serious, Mayo will win Connacht at a canter .four in a row , ere we go.
and Sam is on it's way to Castlebar this year, just like the All-Ireland Club Title. Real question if U-21 and minors are on their way to tge home of football that is McHale Park.
T'would be nice 'godhelpus, t'would be nice.
However I ll stick to my prediction from Sept. 12, that we will lose 3 finals in a row. It ll be one hell of an achievement if we do and finally the team might get a bit of respect.
Has anyone ever lost three AI football finals in a row? I know Clann did the four-peat at club senior but has anyone achieved that level of damned infamy at county?
Galway 1940 - 1942.
Yep but there is still a difference when you consider, Galway won it in 38 and then in 56 and throw in the three in row in 60s.
Even though the 3 in a row were over twenty years later it can still be factored in when you bring it into the context of this Mayo era of 25 years plus since 89 . I really don't think there is any county that has gone though such a period without winning an All Ireland.
We have contested eight all Ireland finals ( inc reply) and won the provincial crown a dozen times in this period.
All joking aside hand on heart, I believe there is something fundementally wrong with our mindset come the final day. All the experts and analysts can tell me till the cows come home about being a forward short or nit being good enough , I don't believe them, it's nonsense it's actually nearer the mark to roll out the aul bar stool rhetoric of , " they haven't the bottle".
We won Connacht in 96,97 and 99 , Galway win it in 98 and go out and win the Sam Maguire. We hammer Kerry in 96 semi final and the lose the final in 97 to virtually the same team. We beat Dublin in 12 semi and lose the 13 final . We fookin hammer Donegal in 13 q/f after getting pushed aside by them in first ten min of final in 12.
Everyone that cares about Mayo football needs to have a look at where it's going wrong on all Ireland final day, everyone has a role to play and supporters can start by stfu with the ridiculous amount of songs and banter, already last night at the darts in the UK there's a "Mayo for Sam" bs doin the rounds.
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Oh gawd, not even sure if you're serious or not tbh but just to clarify for anyone who would take such a daft post even remotely serious, Mayo will win Connacht at a canter .four in a row , ere we go.
and Sam is on it's way to Castlebar this year, just like the All-Ireland Club Title. Real question if U-21 and minors are on their way to tge home of football that is McHale Park.
Well I'm glad to see there is a fellow realist here. The amount of tripe being spouted in here and mostly by Roscommon people is unreal ,sometimes I have to remind myself this is the same Roscommon who have beaten Mayo once in twenty odd friggin years, their ilk should not be allowed grace the same field as Mayo at least until they prove themselves through some sort of qualification process for lesser counties especially those without a coastline .
I'd say the other 31 Counties should withdraw from all competitions this year as SuperMayowestros sweep all before them as usual.... oh wait... sure they haven't won......
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Quote from: moysider on December 30, 2013, 11:58:50 PM
However I ll stick to my prediction from Sept. 12, that we will lose 3 finals in a row. It ll be one hell of an achievement if we do and finally the team might get a bit of respect.
I thought you didn't care about respect?Quote from: moysider on September 05, 2013, 12:27:56 AM
Y know, I couldn t give a f**k if you never respect my county. It doesn t matter.
If Mayo reach another All Ireland final its time you won it or some neutral supporters will always see Mayo as the Jimmy White of GAA.
True, I don t but it seems to matter to many.
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Quote from: larryin89 on December 24, 2013, 04:54:33 PM
Oh gawd, not even sure if you're serious or not tbh but just to clarify for anyone who would take such a daft post even remotely serious, Mayo will win Connacht at a canter .four in a row , ere we go.
and Sam is on it's way to Castlebar this year, just like the All-Ireland Club Title. Real question if U-21 and minors are on their way to tge home of football that is McHale Park.
T'would be nice 'godhelpus, t'would be nice.
However I ll stick to my prediction from Sept. 12, that we will lose 3 finals in a row. It ll be one hell of an achievement if we do and finally the team might get a bit of respect.
Has anyone ever lost three AI football finals in a row? I know Clann did the four-peat at club senior but has anyone achieved that level of damned infamy at county?
Galway 1940 - 1942.
Heron Chokers
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Quote from: larryin89 on December 24, 2013, 04:54:33 PM
Oh gawd, not even sure if you're serious or not tbh but just to clarify for anyone who would take such a daft post even remotely serious, Mayo will win Connacht at a canter .four in a row , ere we go.
and Sam is on it's way to Castlebar this year, just like the All-Ireland Club Title. Real question if U-21 and minors are on their way to tge home of football that is McHale Park.
T'would be nice 'godhelpus, t'would be nice.
However I ll stick to my prediction from Sept. 12, that we will lose 3 finals in a row. It ll be one hell of an achievement if we do and finally the team might get a bit of respect.
Has anyone ever lost three AI football finals in a row? I know Clann did the four-peat at club senior but has anyone achieved that level of damned infamy at county?
Galway 1940 - 1942.
Yep but there is still a difference when you consider, Galway won it in 38 and then in 56 and throw in the three in row in 60s.
Even though the 3 in a row were over twenty years later it can still be factored in when you bring it into the context of this Mayo era of 25 years plus since 89 . I really don't think there is any county that has gone though such a period without winning an All Ireland.
We have contested eight all Ireland finals ( inc reply) and won the provincial crown a dozen times in this period.
All joking aside hand on heart, I believe there is something fundementally wrong with our mindset come the final day. All the experts and analysts can tell me till the cows come home about being a forward short or nit being good enough , I don't believe them, it's nonsense it's actually nearer the mark to roll out the aul bar stool rhetoric of , " they haven't the bottle".
We won Connacht in 96,97 and 99 , Galway win it in 98 and go out and win the Sam Maguire. We hammer Kerry in 96 semi final and the lose the final in 97 to virtually the same team. We beat Dublin in 12 semi and lose the 13 final . We fookin hammer Donegal in 13 q/f after getting pushed aside by them in first ten min of final in 12.
Everyone that cares about Mayo football needs to have a look at where it's going wrong on all Ireland final day, everyone has a role to play and supporters can start by stfu with the ridiculous amount of songs and banter, already last night at the darts in the UK there's a "Mayo for Sam" bs doin the rounds.
I d agree with most of that I think apart from the supporters thing. Last couple of finals the mood had been subdued enough around - even during the final this year the support was dead. If anything the pendulum has swung from the wild optimism of the 90/00s to pessisism - even fear. Contrast that with Donegal last year when the county was wild with expectation and song. Nobody even contemplated losing, especially when they were playing us. If any county was setting itself up for a fall it was Donegal. But did it get to the team? Did it f**k.
The reason we have lost so many is twofold imo.
Twice 04/06, the opposition were much better than us but we still handed the game on a plate.
All the other finals were winnable but we were never proficient enough on the sideline to get the job done. An O Dwyer, Heffo, Boylan or Harte would have made all the difference. In every final I have seen us play in the opposition have done a job on us tactically, especially attacking our strengths and doing a good job. In this year's final Cluxton s kick out strategy took our big strong midfield out of the game. It didn t help either that our management choose to take Keith Higgins out of the game and not involve Richie Feeney at all but sin scéal eile. On the other hand the oppositions big players have always been allowed to run riot against us even though management have had a month to come up with a plan for them. Thompkins, Fitzgerald, Gooch, O Sullivan, Donaghy, Murphy and Brogan were all given a blank canvas in Croke Park to produce any picture they wanted. Contrast that with the way Tyrone dealth with the Kerry threat any time they met. Next year if we get back to a final I can t see us do anything different with the last 3/4 weeks to be honest.
Have a soft spot for Cavan. But they are still a bit (and i mean a fair bit) off of being a credible Championship side. They reached the AI Quarter finals by default this year. From seeing them in the flesh against Kerry last year they looked like an under 21 side, physically and to be honest they mentally played the same way. They are still in the building process and will be looking to beat the teams just below the top six.
Cavan are coming side, last season extended run will be a good experience for their young players. They should get promoted to div two this spring which should bring them on further.
Mayo seem to play all their best football before All Ireland finals can they find a way to reach a final without peaking before it?
With retirements and others leaving it hard to see Cork making any impact in 2014 i think Kerry have one final push in them and Donegal are sure to better than 2013.
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Quote from: larryin89 on December 24, 2013, 04:54:33 PM
Oh gawd, not even sure if you're serious or not tbh but just to clarify for anyone who would take such a daft post even remotely serious, Mayo will win Connacht at a canter .four in a row , ere we go.
and Sam is on it's way to Castlebar this year, just like the All-Ireland Club Title. Real question if U-21 and minors are on their way to tge home of football that is McHale Park.
T'would be nice 'godhelpus, t'would be nice.
However I ll stick to my prediction from Sept. 12, that we will lose 3 finals in a row. It ll be one hell of an achievement if we do and finally the team might get a bit of respect.
Has anyone ever lost three AI football finals in a row? I know Clann did the four-peat at club senior but has anyone achieved that level of damned infamy at county?
Galway 1940 - 1942.
Yep but there is still a difference when you consider, Galway won it in 38 and then in 56 and throw in the three in row in 60s.
Even though the 3 in a row were over twenty years later it can still be factored in when you bring it into the context of this Mayo era of 25 years plus since 89 . I really don't think there is any county that has gone though such a period without winning an All Ireland.
We have contested eight all Ireland finals ( inc reply) and won the provincial crown a dozen times in this period.
All joking aside hand on heart, I believe there is something fundementally wrong with our mindset come the final day. All the experts and analysts can tell me till the cows come home about being a forward short or nit being good enough , I don't believe them, it's nonsense it's actually nearer the mark to roll out the aul bar stool rhetoric of , " they haven't the bottle".
We won Connacht in 96,97 and 99 , Galway win it in 98 and go out and win the Sam Maguire. We hammer Kerry in 96 semi final and the lose the final in 97 to virtually the same team. We beat Dublin in 12 semi and lose the 13 final . We fookin hammer Donegal in 13 q/f after getting pushed aside by them in first ten min of final in 12.
Everyone that cares about Mayo football needs to have a look at where it's going wrong on all Ireland final day, everyone has a role to play and supporters can start by stfu with the ridiculous amount of songs and banter, already last night at the darts in the UK there's a "Mayo for Sam" bs doin the rounds.
I d agree with most of that I think apart from the supporters thing. Last couple of finals the mood had been subdued enough around - even during the final this year the support was dead. If anything the pendulum has swung from the wild optimism of the 90/00s to pessisism - even fear. Contrast that with Donegal last year when the county was wild with expectation and song. Nobody even contemplated losing, especially when they were playing us. If any county was setting itself up for a fall it was Donegal. But did it get to the team? Did it f**k.
The reason we have lost so many is twofold imo.
Twice 04/06, the opposition were much better than us but we still handed the game on a plate.
All the other finals were winnable but we were never proficient enough on the sideline to get the job done. An O Dwyer, Heffo, Boylan or Harte would have made all the difference. In every final I have seen us play in the opposition have done a job on us tactically, especially attacking our strengths and doing a good job. In this year's final Cluxton s kick out strategy took our big strong midfield out of the game. It didn t help either that our management choose to take Keith Higgins out of the game and not involve Richie Feeney at all but sin scéal eile. On the other hand the oppositions big players have always been allowed to run riot against us even though management have had a month to come up with a plan for them. Thompkins, Fitzgerald, Gooch, O Sullivan, Donaghy, Murphy and Brogan were all given a blank canvas in Croke Park to produce any picture they wanted. Contrast that with the way Tyrone dealth with the Kerry threat any time they met. Next year if we get back to a final I can t see us do anything different with the last 3/4 weeks to be honest.
I'm afraid I have to agree totally with you on all counts. I'm not a happy bunny as I await 2014 all it may bring..
If James Horan can't land an AI for us, there's nobody on the horizon who would be capable of doing any better. We just don't have the likes of the marquee forwards you mention but that's only part of the story; a general malaise descend on the team on AIF day and it extends to the sideline as well.
I agree with what you say about O'Dwyer, Heffo, Boylan or Harte with one proviso; I'm not sure any or all of them could have taken the team to a final in the first place, thinking of the '96 final in particular, but management mistakes cost us dearly in every final you talk of.
John Maughan almost made it in '96 but he lost his cool as the pressure came on in the last 20 minutes or so. I've upset enough people already by what I had to say about O'Dwyer handling things differently but I was referring only to the frenetic closing stages.
The same could be said about any of the managers you've mentioned.
I couldn't see any of them taking Mayo from where Maughan found them at the start of the season to the final itself. But if they had, none of them would be the first to show signs of panic when Meath threw the kitchen sink at them.
Ah, frig it, that's all history now. The recent past is what concerns me.
Horan has been damn near faultless since taking over but his coolness and sure touch deserted him when it mattered most;' in both AIFs he was out-manoeuvred by his opponent. I can see Mayo getting to the final this year but I can also see the same mistakes on the sideline being perpetrated.
Maybe if both Andy and Cillian had been 100% fit, things might well have been different but they weren't and nothing and there was no sign of a Plan B when things started to go wrong.
But you can't la all the blame on the management either; up front there is trouble ahead and this has been the case as far back as I can remember. This year too many forwards failed to fire on the day and not for the first time either but Horan seemed gripped by paralysis, disbelief or whatever as he filed to take remedial action.
FFS all he did was to make things worse.
Anyway, that's no the way to welcome the New Year.
My wish for the coming year is that Roscommon stop moaning; Sligo stop bitching; Galway start finding form again and that Mayo beat the f**k out of any of them we come across. ;D
Quote from: Blowitupref on December 31, 2013, 06:53:55 PM
Cavan are coming side, last season extended run will be a good experience for their young players. They should get promoted to div two this spring which should bring them on further.
Mayo seem to play all their best football before All Ireland finals can they find a way to reach a final without peaking before it?
With retirements and others leaving it hard to see Cork making any impact in 2014 i think Kerry have one final push in them and Donegal are sure to better than 2013.
How many 'final pushes' does a team get?
With TOS gone, Brosan gone from the bench, Star up in the clouds and players like Galvin and O'Mahony likely to be pushed towards being impact subs if they continue we can definitely say this Kerry team will have plenty of pushes in them because the ones whose form will be deciding if Kerry are contenders will be the next generation, not the golden oldies.
Kerry are very lucky the Cork panel have apparently decided to take a knee for 2014 but it's difficult to see how they'll beat the teams they've failed to beat the last few years next year when those teams have less rebuilding to do. The league will be very important for this Kerry team if they're to make progress in the summer.
Quote from: Syferus on December 31, 2013, 07:15:52 PM
[How many 'final pushes' does a team get?
With TOS gone, Brosan gone from the bench, Star up in the clouds and players like Galvin and O'Mahony likely to be pushed towards being impact subs if they continue we can definitely say this Kerry team will have plenty of pushes in them because the ones whose form will be deciding if Kerry are contenders will be the next generation, not the golden oldies.
Kerry are very lucky the Cork panel have apparently decided to take a knee for 2014 but it's difficult to see how they'll beat the teams they've failed to beat the last few years next year when those teams have less rebuilding to do. The league will be very important for this Kerry team if they're to make progress in the summer.
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A Shyfín,
Please make a New Year Resolution to post in either English or Gaeilge in 2014 and stop throwing random words together in a line.
Good Gasúinín. ;)
Quote from: Syferus on December 31, 2013, 07:15:52 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on December 31, 2013, 06:53:55 PM
Cavan are coming side, last season extended run will be a good experience for their young players. They should get promoted to div two this spring which should bring them on further.
Mayo seem to play all their best football before All Ireland finals can they find a way to reach a final without peaking before it?
With retirements and others leaving it hard to see Cork making any impact in 2014 i think Kerry have one final push in them and Donegal are sure to better than 2013.
How many 'final pushes' does a team get?
With TOS gone, Brosan gone from the bench, Star up in the clouds and players like Galvin and O'Mahony likely to be pushed towards being impact subs if they continue we can definitely say this Kerry team will have plenty of pushes in them because the ones whose form will be deciding if Kerry are contenders will be the next generation, not the golden oldies.
Kerry are very lucky the Cork panel have apparently decided to take a knee for 2014 but it's difficult to see how they'll beat the teams they've failed to beat the last few years next year when those teams have less rebuilding to do. The league will be very important for this Kerry team if they're to make progress in the summer.
Well said! Kerry's next big push will be a new push with new players if they can find them.
In fairness the last two years Kerry were beaten by the eventual All Ireland champions. It could be argued if they were on the other side of the draw they may have reached the last two finals and possibly would have won both.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 31, 2013, 08:05:55 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 31, 2013, 07:15:52 PM
How many 'final pushes' does a team get?
With TOS gone, Brosan gone from the bench, Star up in the clouds and players like Galvin and O'Mahony likely to be pushed towards being impact subs if they continue we can definitely say this Kerry team will have plenty of pushes in them because the ones whose form will be deciding if Kerry are contenders will be the next generation, not the golden oldies.
Kerry are very lucky the Cork panel have apparently decided to take a knee for 2014 but it's difficult to see how they'll beat the teams they've failed to beat the last few years next year when those teams have less rebuilding to do. The league will be very important for this Kerry team if they're to make progress in the summer.
A Shyfín,
Please make a New Year Resolution to post in either English or Gaeilge in 2014 and stop throwing random words together in a line.
Good Gasúinín. ;)
Quote1. Taking a Knee
Phrase borrowed from American football terminology to indicate a player or team running out the final seconds of a football game (the act itself consists of literally touching one's knee to the floor to facilitate the running of the game clock), "taking a knee" is the act of putting oneself in cruise control, usually in a work setting or some other undesirable situation. The individual is physically present, but his mind is not on his task, and there may even be some goofing off associated with "taking a knee." Mostly used by sports savvy men.
Chin up, you'll learn even if I have to teach you the English language one syllable at a time.
Quote from: Syferus on December 31, 2013, 09:41:47 PM
A Shyfín,
Please make a New Year Resolution to post in either English or Gaeilge in 2014 and stop throwing random words together in a line.
Good Gasúinín. ;)
Quote1. Taking a Knee
Phrase borrowed from American Chin up, you'll learn even if I have to teach you the English language one syllable at a time.
Once the word American comes into it you know it's not English.
So I'll rephrase
Please post in Hiberno/Queens English or as Gaeilge.
Stop spreading Americanised dung.
Happy New Year Syfín - no doubt you're frothing at the mouth in anticipation of the FBD League. I am anyway.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 31, 2013, 10:00:03 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 31, 2013, 09:41:47 PM
A Shyfín,
Please make a New Year Resolution to post in either English or Gaeilge in 2014 and stop throwing random words together in a line.
Good Gasúinín. ;)
Quote1. Taking a Knee
Phrase borrowed from American Chin up, you'll learn even if I have to teach you the English language one syllable at a time.
Once the word American comes into it you know it's not English.
So I'll rephrase
Please post in Hiberno/Queens English or as Gaeilge.
Stop spreading Americanised dung.
Happy New Year Syfín - no doubt you're frothing at the mouth in anticipation of the FBD League. I am anyway.
Up the Ros, boss.
Hoping to see Mark/Ryan McHugh lining up against Roscommon yet again in Elphin on Sunday. Can't let any Sligo team beat us on out own patch.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 31, 2013, 09:38:15 PM
In fairness the last two years Kerry were beaten by the eventual All Ireland champions. It could be argued if they were on the other side of the draw they may have reached the last two finals and possibly would have won both.
Agree. Spot on.
Quote from: moysider on December 31, 2013, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 31, 2013, 09:38:15 PM
In fairness the last two years Kerry were beaten by the eventual All Ireland champions. It could be argued if they were on the other side of the draw they may have reached the last two finals and possibly would have won both.
Agree. Spot on.
May have reached the final yes, won both I dont think so. The best team tends to win these things no matter what way the draw lines up.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 01, 2014, 11:36:48 AM
Quote from: moysider on December 31, 2013, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 31, 2013, 09:38:15 PM
In fairness the last two years Kerry were beaten by the eventual All Ireland champions. It could be argued if they were on the other side of the draw they may have reached the last two finals and possibly would have won both.
Agree. Spot on.
May have reached the final yes, won both I dont think so. The best team tends to win these things no matter what way the draw lines up.
Are you seriously saying that Kerry would not have beaten Mayo in the last 2 finals? :o
Quote from: moysider on January 01, 2014, 01:58:49 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 01, 2014, 11:36:48 AM
Quote from: moysider on December 31, 2013, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 31, 2013, 09:38:15 PM
In fairness the last two years Kerry were beaten by the eventual All Ireland champions. It could be argued if they were on the other side of the draw they may have reached the last two finals and possibly would have won both.
Agree. Spot on.
May have reached the final yes, won both I dont think so. The best team tends to win these things no matter what way the draw lines up.
Are you seriously saying that Kerry would not have beaten Mayo in the last 2 finals? :o
What's being said is Kerry would of beaten Mayo in semi final, I think, if on other side of draw.
This is getting ridiculous altogether. It's an epidemic on this board but I don't see it anywhere else. Is a new microdialect being created as we watch?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 27, 2013, 11:50:33 AM
Quote from: thejuice on December 25, 2013, 08:53:53 PM
I don't think Dublin will go back to back. They'll slip up along the way. Not sure who'll land Sam though.
Meath will probably get to a Leinster final again if they avoid Dublin. We have some nice young players and a few coming back from injury like David Bray and Shane O'Rourke so it'll be interesting to see if this new generation can achieve similar things as they did at underage.
2 Leinster minor titles and no u21 in the last 10 years ???
If we could win a Leinster title or two I'd be very pleased. And If we reached an All-Ireland final too that would be great.
Quote from: larryin89 on January 01, 2014, 02:03:27 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 01, 2014, 01:58:49 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 01, 2014, 11:36:48 AM
Quote from: moysider on December 31, 2013, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 31, 2013, 09:38:15 PM
In fairness the last two years Kerry were beaten by the eventual All Ireland champions. It could be argued if they were on the other side of the draw they may have reached the last two finals and possibly would have won both.
Agree. Spot on.
May have reached the final yes, won both I dont think so. The best team tends to win these things no matter what way the draw lines up.
Are you seriously saying that Kerry would not have beaten Mayo in the last 2 finals? :o
What's being said is Kerry would of beaten Mayo in semi final, I think, if on other side of draw.
Ah yes. I see now what he s getting at. Mind you semis have not been a problem for us. It s how we use the few weeks between semi and fnal that s the problem.
Quote from: thejuice on January 01, 2014, 05:09:49 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 27, 2013, 11:50:33 AM
Quote from: thejuice on December 25, 2013, 08:53:53 PM
I don't think Dublin will go back to back. They'll slip up along the way. Not sure who'll land Sam though.
Meath will probably get to a Leinster final again if they avoid Dublin. We have some nice young players and a few coming back from injury like David Bray and Shane O'Rourke so it'll be interesting to see if this new generation can achieve similar things as they did at underage.
2 Leinster minor titles and no u21 in the last 10 years ???
If we could win a Leinster title or two I'd be very pleased. And If we reached an All-Ireland final too that would be great.
To be fair, you can't do that by losing twice at senior.. :-X
Don't worry about anything Syferus, Evans has it all Sussed , it's all about the " poncho " for 2014.
Quote from: larryin89 on January 01, 2014, 02:03:27 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 01, 2014, 01:58:49 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 01, 2014, 11:36:48 AM
Quote from: moysider on December 31, 2013, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 31, 2013, 09:38:15 PM
In fairness the last two years Kerry were beaten by the eventual All Ireland champions. It could be argued if they were on the other side of the draw they may have reached the last two finals and possibly would have won both.
Agree. Spot on.
May have reached the final yes, won both I dont think so. The best team tends to win these things no matter what way the draw lines up.
Are you seriously saying that Kerry would not have beaten Mayo in the last 2 finals? :o
What's being said is Kerry would of beaten Mayo in semi final, I think, if on other side of draw.
Not necessary, i think if Kerry had Mayos route they would have beaten Donegal,Tyrone to reach the final and Mayo are more likely to win against Dublin in a semi final.
Mc Kenna cup champions: donegal
League champions: donegal
Ulster Champions: donegal
Munster Champions: kerry
Connaught champions: mayo
Leinster champions: dublin
All Ireland Champions: donegal
Quote from: rrhf on January 01, 2014, 10:05:43 PM
Mc Kenna cup champions: donegal
League champions: donegal
Ulster Champions: donegal
Munster Champions: kerry
Connaught champions: mayo
Leinster champions: dublin
All Ireland Champions: donegal
Sure I think they've a decent shot at winning Connacht too, don't undersell them :-*
Before I did, I really want to see Mayo win the all Ireland.
They deserve one at this stage. And God help the bouncers that try to stop the pitch invasion.
An electric fence would be the only thing to keep them back and even at that it might be dodgy enough defence system.
Quote from: Syferus on January 01, 2014, 10:15:21 PM
Quote from: rrhf on January 01, 2014, 10:05:43 PM
Mc Kenna cup champions: donegal
League champions: donegal
Ulster Champions: donegal
Munster Champions: kerry
Connaught champions: mayo
Leinster champions: dublin
All Ireland Champions: donegal
Sure I think they've a decent shot at winning Connacht too, don't undersell them :-*
Looking forward to seeing Donegal pull that one off! ;)
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 01, 2014, 11:27:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 01, 2014, 10:15:21 PM
Quote from: rrhf on January 01, 2014, 10:05:43 PM
Mc Kenna cup champions: donegal
League champions: donegal
Ulster Champions: donegal
Munster Champions: kerry
Connaught champions: mayo
Leinster champions: dublin
All Ireland Champions: donegal
Sure I think they've a decent shot at winning Connacht too, don't undersell them :-*
Looking forward to seeing Donegal pull that one off! ;)
They're good team but they'll do well to win the league.
Return to the old format where every team has the chance to win one league title or at worst two titles. Semi finals for a group of eight in division one is not an ideal format.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 02, 2014, 12:43:47 AM
Return to the old format where every team has the chance to win one league title or at worst two titles. Semi finals for a group of eight in division one is not an ideal format.
Balls, if you are not in division 1, you have no right to win the league. Sick to death of suggestions that counties should be elevated without merit. Mayo have been an elite division 1 county since 1996 (the only one to maintain division 1 status in that time).
Quote from: orangeman on January 01, 2014, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 01, 2014, 11:27:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 01, 2014, 10:15:21 PM
Quote from: rrhf on January 01, 2014, 10:05:43 PM
Mc Kenna cup champions: donegal
League champions: donegal
Ulster Champions: donegal
Munster Champions: kerry
Connaught champions: mayo
Leinster champions: dublin
All Ireland Champions: donegal
The league will be won by Mayo or Dublin.
Sure I think they've a decent shot at winning Connacht too, don't undersell them :-*
Looking forward to seeing Donegal pull that one off! ;)
They're good team but they'll do well to win the league.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 02, 2014, 01:33:52 AM
Quote from: orangeman on January 01, 2014, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 01, 2014, 11:27:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 01, 2014, 10:15:21 PM
Quote from: rrhf on January 01, 2014, 10:05:43 PM
Mc Kenna cup champions: donegal
League champions: donegal
Ulster Champions: donegal
Munster Champions: kerry
Connaught champions: mayo
Leinster champions: dublin
All Ireland Champions: donegal
The league will be won by Mayo or Dublin.
Sure I think they've a decent shot at winning Connacht too, don't undersell them :-*
Looking forward to seeing Donegal pull that one off! ;)
They're good team but they'll do well to win the league.
Stop putting words in my mouth. The neck of ya.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 02, 2014, 01:30:37 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 02, 2014, 12:43:47 AM
Return to the old format where every team has the chance to win one league title or at worst two titles. Semi finals for a group of eight in division one is not an ideal format.
Balls, if you are not in division 1, you have no right to win the league. Sick to death of suggestions that counties should be elevated without merit. Mayo have been an elite division 1 county since 1996 (the only one to maintain division 1 status in that time).
Says the current format, in the past if you were good enough you could win it. Derry,Westmeath are in the elite division as you call it do you think they are better than Donegal or Down?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 02, 2014, 01:51:46 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 02, 2014, 01:30:37 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 02, 2014, 12:43:47 AM
Return to the old format where every team has the chance to win one league title or at worst two titles. Semi finals for a group of eight in division one is not an ideal format.
Balls, if you are not in division 1, you have no right to win the league. Sick to death of suggestions that counties should be elevated without merit. Mayo have been an elite division 1 county since 1996 (the only one to maintain division 1 status in that time).
Says the current format, in the past if you were good enough you could win it. Derry,Westmeath are in the elite division as you call it do you think they are better than Donegal or Down?
Westmeath and Derry if unworthy will be back down next year. If Donegal is good enough they will bounce back up. It is disrespectful to the counties who earn or mantain a position in the top division to be leap frogged by pass grade students.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 02, 2014, 02:33:42 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 02, 2014, 01:51:46 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 02, 2014, 01:30:37 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 02, 2014, 12:43:47 AM
Return to the old format where every team has the chance to win one league title or at worst two titles. Semi finals for a group of eight in division one is not an ideal format.
Balls, if you are not in division 1, you have no right to win the league. Sick to death of suggestions that counties should be elevated without merit. Mayo have been an elite division 1 county since 1996 (the only one to maintain division 1 status in that time).
Says the current format, in the past if you were good enough you could win it. Derry,Westmeath are in the elite division as you call it do you think they are better than Donegal or Down?
Westmeath and Derry if unworthy will be back down next year. If Donegal is good enough they will bounce back up. It is disrespectful to the counties who earn or mantain a position in the top division to be leap frogged by pass grade students.
In the past teams were placed in different groups you had division one A and B two semi finals from sixteen teams which made more sense. The GAA have been looking at ways to improve the championship its also time they look at improving the current stale league format.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 02, 2014, 03:30:48 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 02, 2014, 02:33:42 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 02, 2014, 01:51:46 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 02, 2014, 01:30:37 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 02, 2014, 12:43:47 AM
Return to the old format where every team has the chance to win one league title or at worst two titles. Semi finals for a group of eight in division one is not an ideal format.
Balls, if you are not in division 1, you have no right to win the league. Sick to death of suggestions that counties should be elevated without merit. Mayo have been an elite division 1 county since 1996 (the only one to maintain division 1 status in that time).
Says the current format, in the past if you were good enough you could win it. Derry,Westmeath are in the elite division as you call it do you think they are better than Donegal or Down?
Westmeath and Derry if unworthy will be back down next year. If Donegal is good enough they will bounce back up. It is disrespectful to the counties who earn or mantain a position in the top division to be leap frogged by pass grade students.
In the past teams were placed in different groups you had division one A and B two semi finals from sixteen teams which made more sense. The GAA have been looking at ways to improve the championship its also time they look at improving the current stale league format.
Given the Spring Series has tailed off (and will even more so this year with the way the schedule has fell, preventing hurling/football double headers) you can expect Croke Park to become much more bullish about changing the format in the next few years and probably something close to that aborted attempt to return D1 and D2 to 1A/1B.
Quote from: Syferus on January 02, 2014, 04:18:08 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 02, 2014, 03:30:48 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 02, 2014, 02:33:42 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 02, 2014, 01:51:46 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 02, 2014, 01:30:37 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 02, 2014, 12:43:47 AM
Return to the old format where every team has the chance to win one league title or at worst two titles. Semi finals for a group of eight in division one is not an ideal format.
Balls, if you are not in division 1, you have no right to win the league. Sick to death of suggestions that counties should be elevated without merit. Mayo have been an elite division 1 county since 1996 (the only one to maintain division 1 status in that time).
Says the current format, in the past if you were good enough you could win it. Derry,Westmeath are in the elite division as you call it do you think they are better than Donegal or Down?
Westmeath and Derry if unworthy will be back down next year. If Donegal is good enough they will bounce back up. It is disrespectful to the counties who earn or mantain a position in the top division to be leap frogged by pass grade students.
In the past teams were placed in different groups you had division one A and B two semi finals from sixteen teams which made more sense. The GAA have been looking at ways to improve the championship its also time they look at improving the current stale league format.
Given the Spring Series has tailed off (and will even more so this year with the way the schedule has fell, preventing hurling/football double headers) you can expect Croke Park to become much more bullish about changing the format in the next few years and probably something close to that aborted attempt to return D1 and D2 to 1A/1B.
The 1A/1B 2A/2B is a horrid system, a way for division 3 and 4 teams to elevate themselves and punish the top teams. Also the system sucked as 1A got demoted to 2A and 2A got promoted to 1A, so the teams were segregated into two groups of 16.
How anyone could want anything other than the best teams in the top division is beyond me. Even worse if they open draw it, Seriously why should the likes of Mayo or Dublin have to play worthless games against the likes of Wicklow, Louth, Waterford or Fermanagh in the league, we should be playing quality opposition like Kerry, Cork or Tyrone.
As a Mayo fan the league is always interesting as every game is potentially close and hard fought, boring would be having to watch London, Armagh, Offaly or Roscommon getting whalloped in McHale Park.
Only thing wrong with the league is the lack of promoting of it. The last few years have thrown up some very entertaining games.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on January 02, 2014, 06:19:19 AM
Only thing wrong with the league is the lack of promoting of it.
That's one problem it has.
The other is that everyone knows/treats it as a pre Season warmer upper/trials for the real thing ( Championships).
Nothing wrong with the current format which is the way most County Leagues are run as well.
The "stale" war cry is usually heard from Counties who can't get themselves promoted to a higher Division.
I read somewhere that since the NFL started in 1929 there have been something like 40 different formats tried and still the cry goes up to change the format.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 02, 2014, 04:47:40 AM
The 1A/1B 2A/2B is a horrid system, a way for division 3 and 4 teams to elevate themselves and punish the top teams. Also the system sucked as 1A got demoted to 2A and 2A got promoted to 1A, so the teams were segregated into two groups of 16.
How anyone could want anything other than the best teams in the top division is beyond me. Even worse if they open draw it, Seriously why should the likes of Mayo or Dublin have to play worthless games against the likes of Wicklow, Louth, Waterford or Fermanagh in the league, we should be playing quality opposition like Kerry, Cork or Tyrone.
As a Mayo fan the league is always interesting as every game is potentially close and hard fought, boring would be having to watch London, Armagh, Offaly or Roscommon getting whalloped in McHale Park.
I was referring to format we had six or seven years ago. Two league titles instead of four and those relegated from one A went to one B.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 02, 2014, 10:24:05 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on January 02, 2014, 06:19:19 AM
Only thing wrong with the league is the lack of promoting of it.
That's one problem it has.
The other is that everyone knows/treats it as a pre Season warmer upper/trials for the real thing ( Championships).
Nothing wrong with the current format which is the way most County Leagues are run as well.
The "stale" war cry is usually heard from Counties who can't get themselves promoted to a higher Division.
I read somewhere that since the NFL started in 1929 there have been something like 40 different formats tried and still the cry goes up to change the format.
When something becomes stale you change or replace it. We already have pre-season warm ups in January. The league should be more important and maybe the GAA needs to connect it with the championship for that to happen.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 02, 2014, 02:32:07 PM
I was referring to format we had six or seven years ago. - those relegated from one A went to one B.
They did not - the 2 Sections were of equal status.
league should be more important and maybe the GAA needs to connect it with the championship for that to happen.
The FRC crowd more or less dismissed this idea - except for their stupid prelim losers transfer idea. They recommend the prelim Rounds in Leinster and Ulster be between the lowest finishing teams in the PREVIOUS Year's NFL.
Connecting league to championship seems an obvious way of improving the importance of the league.
Quote from: larryin89 on January 02, 2014, 09:40:09 PM
Connecting league to championship seems an obvious way of improving the importance of the league.
I would love to see a league and provincial championships played off separated from the All-Ireland. The winners of Provincial Championships and the winner of the league get seeded for an open draw. That is 5 seeded teams. The team with the best behaviour record gets seeded, the most improved team across the league gets seeded (probably would have to be some format measured against the previous year, and 1 of the 4 losing provincial championship teams gets seeded.
That leaves 24 teams who play off a round of the Championship, bringing it down to 12 teams.
At this stage the 8 seeded teams join the All-Ireland Series.
The 12+8 = 20
The play off bringing the teams down to 10
They play off bringing the teams to 5
The 5 teams are put in a draw and 2 are drawn to play 1 Quarter Final.
4 teams remain and play of the Semi
2 teams contest the final
1 team wins an All-Ireland linked to the traditional championship, league, supports fair play and most improved team in league/