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QuoteThree supporters have taken out personal injury claims against Limerick GAA after the Munster final pitch invasion.
The claimants are understood to have suffered "falls or slips" as around 30,000 Limerick supporters spilled onto the Gaelic Grounds pitch on Sunday, July 14th to celebrate the Treaty County's first Munster SHC win in 17 years.
The pitch invasion was one of the iconic scenes of the 2013 GAA year but the Association at national level is now certain to make moves to stamp out such incidents following the revelation that Limerick are being sued.
County Board secretary Mike O'Riordan told The Irish Examiner: "The pitch invasion at the Gaelic Grounds after the Munster senior hurling final has produced a number of claims against the stadium - obviously this is very disappointing after what was a memorable day.
"To see the scenes after the game was fantastic in particular the crowd swarming on to the pitch. It really epitomised all that is good about the GAA.
"What will happen now is that for big games in the Gaelic Grounds, the front row of seats will have to be occupied by stewards and there will have to be more stewarding.
"The cost of insurance is already substantial and this will only force up the cost to us."
So what do people think about this? People who support pitch invasions would you think that there should be a 'enter here at your own risk' type disclaimer notice (which is worthless btw)? If these cases are successful it will have a major impact on the whole insurance requirement for stadiums and will drive up premiums significantly. The day of the pitch invasion is over.
Trying to prevent pitch invasions is like advertising an avenue for suing for vultures. Obviously shite like this is why they wanted to shut them down in the first place but you get the distinct feeling highlighting the issue has only made it a bigger target for the dregs of our society.
It makes a change from Limerick being rocked by a stabbing
Quote from: T Fearon on December 21, 2013, 11:23:45 AM
It makes a change from Limerick being rocked by a stabbing
You're about 4 years late with that one Tony....
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 21, 2013, 09:52:43 AM
...So what do people think about this? People who support pitch invasions would you think that there should be a 'enter here at your own risk' type disclaimer notice (which is worthless btw)?...
BC the disclaimer is not worthless. There is a specific defence in law to negligence claims called
Volenti non fit injuria which is Latin for - to a willing person, injury is not done. It is a common law doctrine which states that if someone willingly places themselves in a position where harm might result, knowing that some degree of harm might result, they are not able to bring a claim against the other party in tort or delict.
To succeed this claim would have to show that the individuals were injured in a way that would not have been likely to foresee. Like standing on a nail on the pitch, tripping over a sprinkler that hadn't been taken away, or maybe falling because of a rabbit hole. In other words it would have to be something that wouldn't even have been safe for a player to be on the pitch.
I believe the GAA hierachy has placed four mole claimaints to prove their point and reinforce their belief that all GAA grounds ban pitch invasions.
I would love to find out who these four people are. Do they belong to a club , are they really gaels? Whats the bets they went along to the match because of tue novelty of the Treaty getting to the Munster final. Are they Limerick or Cork people? Shower of bastards come to mind
When did the Irish become like Americans and sue for every trip or fall?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 21, 2013, 12:27:37 PM
When did the Irish become like Americans and sue for every trip or fall?
You make it sound like a relatively new phenomenon.
I'm with theticklemister on this one. The GAA are at it themselves.
It'll be interesting to see if they ever get to court.
Settle out of court and then ram it down our throats that it simply can't happen anymore.
You have to laugh. The GAA are masters of their own downfall in this instance, spinning shite about it being dangerous to go on to the pitch, so giving ideas to every chancer going.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 21, 2013, 12:27:37 PM
When did the Irish become like Americans and sue for every trip or fall?
You think we're bad? Come to Australia!
Those 4 should be publicly horse whipped!!!
Quote from: Gaffer on December 29, 2013, 09:14:54 PM
Those 4 should be publicly horse whipped!!!
Agree with that. In addition it should be Dessie Farrell doing the whipping. That will teach them.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/no-injury-claims-from-pitch-invasion-255634.html
That's disgraceful from Liam O'Neill and the GAA if they've been using this as a scare tactic. I was generally in favour of the more controlled post match scenes, but if they are going to lie about it, f**k them. Everyone owns the GAA, not just suits in Croke Park.
Disgraceful stuff really.
Looks like I can add the GAA hierarchy to my long list of people not to trust in modern Ireland.
What a snidey way to operate?
Initially I thought it was the Limerick secretary who brought up the three claims horse shít and it was, but only on information gleaned from Croke parks safety committee.
So, can we believe anything else that comes out of the corridors of power in Croke Park?
They'll get away with it though. They answer to nobody unfortunately.
Quote from: OakleafCounty on January 20, 2014, 10:25:04 AM
They'll get away with it though. They answer to nobody unfortunately.
That shouldn't be the way.
Every club has delegates to the county board.
Every county has delegates to the provincial councils.
The reason why there appears to be little accountability is because we allow that situation to persist.
When was the last time your club raised an issue at county board - provincial level ?
Here's the quote (http://www.thescore.ie/gaa-pitch-invasion-1265228-Jan2014/) from Liam O'Neill referencing the 'claims':
Quote"It's a pity it took three claims to get people behind what it is. A number of commentators have been commenting on the issue and saying it is traditional to go on the field and so on. It is actually dangerous and it is not justifiably in modern society that people put themselves at risk by going onto a field."
I don't get this at all. I'm strongly in favour of pitch invasions, but I had to admit after the fencing off of Hill 16 that they managed to pull it off without a hitch and the sky didn't fall in because supporters were denied access to the pitch. But he while says it's about safety he has to make up claims to buttress this argument.
I think it's fairly obvious it's about safety in the sense that it is about indemnity and claims relating to injuries sustained as opposed to altruistic motives towards their 'patrons'.
I think the best reason for eliminating them is the peace and space it gives players on both sides after the final whistle.
I'm not sure if this is made up, or exaggerated for effect. I tend to think the latter based on the wording in the statement from the insurance officer
"Formally, no proceedings have been instigated". That sounds like there may have been informal contact made, but then again maybe I'm giving too much benefit there. Either way it reflects very badly on Croke Park. They blackguarded Limerick fans, and misled the rest of us. But sure I suppose we're only patrons.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 20, 2014, 10:51:39 AM
I think it's fairly obvious it's about safety in the sense that it is about indemnity and claims relating to injuries sustained as opposed to altruistic motives towards their 'patrons'.
I think the best reason for eliminating them is the peace and space it gives players on both sides after the final whistle.
I'm not sure if this is made up, or exaggerated for effect. I tend to think the latter based on the wording in the statement from the insurance officer
"Formally, no proceedings have been instigated". That sounds like there may have been informal contact made, but then again maybe I'm giving too much benefit there. Either way it reflects very badly on Croke Park. They blackguarded Limerick fans, and misled the rest of us. But sure I suppose we're only patrons.
You're being kind AZ.
There either were claims lodged or not.
The statement now makes it clear there were no claims lodged.
Lads there may have been contact, even on a formal basis. The way it works in any litigation case is that there is a preliminary letter of claim outlining the basis of the actions, injuries suffered and allegation of negligence.This is not formally instigating proceedings as no papers are required to be lodged with the Court to do this. I am not saying that this did or did not happen but it may have. If it didn't go beyond this then both comments by O'Neill and the insurance officer are both factually correct. I think though that O'Neill is full of hot air and I actually see him as a poor, reactionary President who seems to have a chip on his shoulder and I have always felt that from the first time I saw him speaking in the Armagh City Hotel , just after it had been announced he would be president.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 20, 2014, 11:43:07 AM
Lads there may have been contact, even on a formal basis. The way it works in any litigation case is that there is a preliminary letter of claim outlining the basis of the actions, injuries suffered and allegation of negligence.This is not formally instigating proceedings as no papers are required to be lodged with the Court to do this. I am not saying that this did or did not happen but it may have. If it didn't go beyond this then both comments by O'Neill and the insurance officer are both factually correct. I think though that O'Neill is full of hot air and I actually see him as a poor, reactionary President who seems to have a chip on his shoulder and I have always felt that from the first time I saw him speaking in the Armagh City Hotel , just after it had been announced he would be president.
Can anyone quote a single instance where the GAA had to pay out money over injuries suffered in the course of a pitch invasion?
I should have put in a claim for the time I tore the crotch of my jeans climbing through barbed wire in the old Cusack to get onto the pitch.
Quote from: Premier Emperor on January 20, 2014, 12:20:20 PM
I should have put in a claim for the time I tore the crotch of my jeans climbing through barbed wire in the old Cusack to get onto the pitch.
Did you do any other damage or was it limited to the crotch ?
The Statute of Limitations might apply all the same.
Quote from: deiseach on January 20, 2014, 11:54:32 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 20, 2014, 11:43:07 AM
Lads there may have been contact, even on a formal basis. The way it works in any litigation case is that there is a preliminary letter of claim outlining the basis of the actions, injuries suffered and allegation of negligence.This is not formally instigating proceedings as no papers are required to be lodged with the Court to do this. I am not saying that this did or did not happen but it may have. If it didn't go beyond this then both comments by O'Neill and the insurance officer are both factually correct. I think though that O'Neill is full of hot air and I actually see him as a poor, reactionary President who seems to have a chip on his shoulder and I have always felt that from the first time I saw him speaking in the Armagh City Hotel , just after it had been announced he would be president.
Can anyone quote a single instance where the GAA had to pay out money over injuries suffered in the course of a pitch invasion?
Surely somebody here knows the supposed Tyrone fan who had a heart attack on the pitch after the 2008 All-Ireland final?
Or can I presume the GAA made that one up too?
Court proceedings in any claim are usually issued straight away (in the UK anyway). Id imagine any claim is being dealt with through the GAA's insurer. So if proceedings haven't been issued, it doesn't mean that the claim doesn't exist.
Quote from: southdown on January 20, 2014, 02:30:13 PM
Court proceedings in any claim are usually issued straight away (in the UK anyway). Id imagine any claim is being dealt with through the GAA's insurer. So if proceedings haven't been issued, it doesn't mean that the claim doesn't exist.
On the basis of report in the Examiner, can we at least assume these claims have thus far cost the GAA zero cents/pence?