Watching BBC Newsline there, they are happy as Larry (not Reilly) that unemployment in the north has fallen for 9 months running. To them this is a sign that Northern Ireland is coming out of a recession.
With a brother now working in England and the other in Dublin,and some friends now in England, Germany and New Zealand, is this reduction not more a sign of young people moving aboard due to lack of work and not the supposed increase in work up here. Its all about statistics and how u use them to give a false image
A case of smoking mirrors i doubt
Aye, those figures of employed are also being swelled by all the folk who are being put on these schemes and courses through the dole. Doing full time work for your dole money and then nothing gained at the end of it. There is still very little work out there and I don't think it is going to get any better for a long, long time. This place is a dead end - youngsters should be looking at going abroad as soon as possible imo
There is unemployment and there is a numbers employed, the latter is the true test.
There are as many of the unemployed that don't want to work as those that do.
there's very little work around right now. this is in evidence in the numbers of lads doing the hgv test to go long distance driving. the last time the numbers were this high was in the early 80's. its bad.. I know a registered builder who's heading to Canada after xmas he's never been out of Ireland before (55years old). imo this is the tightest time I have lived through. Armagh is particularly hard hit there just seems to be nothing happening on the jobs scene. there's definitely more around Belfast but the wages are so poor that it wouldn't pay you to travel there.
one thing I noticed and its not a bad thing there were near enough no fireworks this year. no too many wanting to fire their money up into the sky
Everything's deadly down south, Lawny. Did get a spot of rain today, though.
Unemployment down,house prices rising on a monthly basis,town centre vacancies reducing everywhere except Ballymena.Need I go on? We're living in boom times again ;D.
Ps Going to a business breakfast in Belfast this morning,to listen to Simon Hamilton talking shite!
Quote from: lawnseed on November 13, 2013, 11:05:29 PM
there's very little work around right now. this is in evidence in the numbers of lads doing the hgv test to go long distance driving. the last time the numbers were this high was in the early 80's. its bad.. I know a registered builder who's heading to Canada after xmas he's never been out of Ireland before (55years old). imo this is the tightest time I have lived through. Armagh is particularly hard hit there just seems to be nothing happening on the jobs scene. there's definitely more around Belfast but the wages are so poor that it wouldn't pay you to travel there.
one thing I noticed and its not a bad thing there were near enough no fireworks this year. no too many wanting to fire their money up into the sky
What's new there, there was never any work in Armagh, half the town ships out to Belfast daily.
And yet when 600 temporary jobs are created in H&W they have to go to Briain and Europe to fill the posts.
Quote from: LeoMc on November 14, 2013, 11:18:23 AM
And yet when 600 temporary jobs are created in H&W they have to go to Briain and Europe to fill the posts.
NI has an shortage of skilled Mechanical engineering workers. It and the Agri Food businesses are the two areas that are really triving in NI at the minute.
bigfella must be hiring in his expanding business, that would drastically reduce unemployment with the empire he has. Make sure anyone applying though get a linkedin account up and running, because he won't look at you otherwise, spread the word.
Same in IT.
Most companies are struggling to fill posts.
Quote from: bailestil on November 14, 2013, 11:48:22 AM
Same in IT.
Most companies are struggling to fill posts.
The problem in this country is that wages for people in IT & engineering are relatively low compared with other countries (that may be part of the reason for the increase in work in those sectors here in the first place)
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on November 14, 2013, 11:54:44 AM
The problem in this country is that wages for people in IT & engineering are relatively low compared with other countries (that may be part of the reason for the increase in work in those sectors here in the first place)
Yeah that's gonna be the main reason most Multi-Nationals are here.
When i see the hours people put in to becoming a chartered accountant or solicitor.
If you put the same hours into becoming competent in a required IT Skill you'd be earning much more money quicker.
Think NI may still have this hang up on Law and Accountancy as the only route to "professional career". Think i also read somewhere about the huge oversupply of law graduates in NI.
Quote from: Cold tea on November 14, 2013, 11:47:42 AM
bigfella must be hiring in his expanding business, that would drastically reduce unemployment with the empire he has. Make sure anyone applying though get a linkedin account up and running, because he won't look at you otherwise, spread the word.
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a man in the know told me this year the course that produces the highest number of graduates in Queens/NI - Psychology - says it all.
Also Law must be the most overrated degree going these days.
All respect to those of you with psychology/law degrees, you may have very worthy roles in society - just not economic drivers!! Plus the bleeding solicitors that eventually do work their asses off to get a job then go on to be a bane on the businesses round them! - billing ye 00's for posting letters ;D!!
A relation of mine wanted to do a part time course on CAD with a local tech - something that is central to the majority of engineering firms and competency in an industry standard like Solidworks is in demand with a lot of manufacturing SMEs. Anyway he rang up to enquire and the course had been cancelled due to only 2 enrolling - meanwhile the bloody hairdressing course is packed out.
All starts in the schools - the teachers rarely have experience of industry and are not equipped to even identify technical careers never mind guide pupils toward them. Getting the odd suit to pop in for an hours presentation every few months doesnt cut it either.
Surely some of the leading tech/engineering firms could be incentivised to provide full time liasons with more schools (to their own benefit also). Looking back our school cirriculum was a joke for career guidance - the blind leading the blind!
QuoteSurely some of the leading tech/engineering firms could be incentivised to provide full time liasons with more schools (to their own benefit also). Looking back our school cirriculum was a joke for career guidance - the blind leading the blind!
I don't think industry or business in Ireland does a good job of encouraging a supply of suitable people. There is a bit of megaphone diplomacy about "skills shortages", but very little engagement with schools, colleges etc to improve the situation. Everyone wants to hire "experienced" people without any clear plan as to where those experienced people are to come from originally.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 14, 2013, 12:51:13 PM
QuoteSurely some of the leading tech/engineering firms could be incentivised to provide full time liasons with more schools (to their own benefit also). Looking back our school cirriculum was a joke for career guidance - the blind leading the blind!
I don't think industry or business in Ireland does a good job of encouraging a supply of suitable people. There is a bit of megaphone diplomacy about "skills shortages", but very little engagement with schools, colleges etc to improve the situation. Everyone wants to hire "experienced" people without any clear plan as to where those experienced people are to come from originally.
How many of you received
ANY relevant training in 3rd Level Education. Aside from the medical professions, the training doesn't begin until post degree. I learnt more in the first 2 months of my job than in 5 years at University. If there is a dearth of graduates in engineering, firms need to offer on the job training to 17/18 year olds. Is University even necessary?? There are grants and sweetners out there to encourage this. They can also 'sponsor' cherry picked students through University and with increasing fees, this could be a great solution to the problem.
Quote from: whiskeysteve on November 14, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
a man in the know told me this year the course that produces the highest number of graduates in Queens/NI - Psychology - says it all.
Also Law must be the most overrated degree going these days.
All respect to those of you with psychology/law degrees, you may have very worthy roles in society - just not economic drivers!! Plus the bleeding solicitors that eventually do work their asses off to get a job then go on to be a bane on the businesses round them! - billing ye 00's for posting letters ;D!!
A relation of mine wanted to do a part time course on CAD with a local tech - something that is central to the majority of engineering firms and competency in an industry standard like Solidworks is in demand with a lot of manufacturing SMEs. Anyway he rang up to enquire and the course had been cancelled due to only 2 enrolling - meanwhile the bloody hairdressing course is packed out.
All starts in the schools - the teachers rarely have experience of industry and are not equipped to even identify technical careers never mind guide pupils toward them. Getting the odd suit to pop in for an hours presentation every few months doesnt cut it either.
Surely some of the leading tech/engineering firms could be incentivised to provide full time liasons with more schools (to their own benefit also). Looking back our school cirriculum was a joke for career guidance - the blind leading the blind!
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Totally agree, went to a grammar school myself and the main drive was to get as many pupils to university as possible. Very little resoucres were given to actually advising students of job prospects post university meant majority went on to study a degree that didnt lead to any direct employment. A lot are now finding themselves in the same position as a school leaver at 16 only with £20,000 more debt.
A major problem for the NI economy is that we export little to nothing therefore we rely heavily on the service and public sectors to create jobs. Our school leavers are either amongst the best performing or worst performing students in the uk. The top performers tend to go abroad as there arent jobs here to meet their skill level (hence the brain drain) whilst those that remain often lack the skills to get whatever jobs may be going. Foreign firms who may be considering investing here are then put off by, amongst other things, the poor skill level that exists within the workforce.
Quote from: CD on November 14, 2013, 01:14:04 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 14, 2013, 12:51:13 PM
QuoteSurely some of the leading tech/engineering firms could be incentivised to provide full time liasons with more schools (to their own benefit also). Looking back our school cirriculum was a joke for career guidance - the blind leading the blind!
I don't think industry or business in Ireland does a good job of encouraging a supply of suitable people. There is a bit of megaphone diplomacy about "skills shortages", but very little engagement with schools, colleges etc to improve the situation. Everyone wants to hire "experienced" people without any clear plan as to where those experienced people are to come from originally.
How many of you received ANY relevant training in 3rd Level Education. Aside from the medical professions, the training doesn't begin until post degree. I learnt more in the first 2 months of my job than in 5 years at University. If there is a dearth of graduates in engineering, firms need to offer on the job training to 17/18 year olds. Is University even necessary?? There are grants and sweetners out there to encourage this. They can also 'sponsor' cherry picked students through University and with increasing fees, this could be a great solution to the problem.
My training was very relevant but I think you are correct most 3'rd level education is theory and has little use in an individual's chosen career.
My education in UL was very relevant and pragmatic. The Co-op initiative was great as well as it put all that into perspective. You could see how what you were learning was applicable, while you were still only half way through the 4 years.
My Degree in QUB should have in theory been a perfect match for my current job.
In reality, it was little to no relevance to me, either technically or non-technically.
complete waste of money. How and why people are paying 20/30k to do a degree these days i've no idea.
Quote from: LeoMc on November 14, 2013, 11:18:23 AM
And yet when 600 temporary jobs are created in H&W they have to go to Briain and Europe to fill the posts.
where are these jobs.. no word of it on their website
Your eyes are not close enough to see it ;)
Quote from: illdecide on November 14, 2013, 02:50:21 PM
Your eyes are not close enough to see it ;)
yeah that's what i'm thinking.. of course the great way of balancing the books in that particular dept is to employ polish workers they are sort of taigs
If anyone has the patience and ability to survive on a meagre salary for three years, I can't recommend chartered accountancy more highly - there are loads of jobs around for a qualified accountant. If you know anyone with half an interest in business, tell them to go down that route first and take the pain.
I just wish I'd done a different degree (instead of Accounting) because it wasn't really all that interesting!
Relax! Was at a Business Breakfast addressed by Simon Hamilton in Belfast this morning and another chap from the NICEP. All the indicators, bar none, are positive, 30,000 new jobs forecasted for the next 5 years (7,000 in the Health Service Alone), but big onus on Private Sector to drive growth, and to present coherent unified strategies to Government. Enterprise Zones on the way, and Corporation Tax devolution will cure all our ailments. ;D
We were told to stop complaining that Government doesn't understand business when in reality business doesn't understand government either. Government described as a Supertanker that can only be turned slowly and by skilful strategies.
a lot of openings in the kissagram/male escort business.. no messing.. big money to be earned- no need for degrees. baby oil for nothing in lidl.. happy days. i'd say it'd be great craic
My degree would have been pretty relevant too.
Depends on how practical your degree is really.
I was in Hays today in Belfast for future Civil Engineering Consultancy roles...at the minute it's still relatively quiet but he said there are signs that things are picking up but very slowly. Manufacturing seems to be flying though.
I think things are on the up.
QuoteWe were told to stop complaining that Government doesn't understand business when in reality business doesn't understand government either.
Unfortunately, government doesn't understand government either.
Quote from: lawnseed on November 14, 2013, 02:29:59 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 14, 2013, 11:18:23 AM
And yet when 600 temporary jobs are created in H&W they have to go to Briain and Europe to fill the posts.
where are these jobs.. no word of it on their website
It was on the BBC news last night, jobs were to renovate a Brazilian oil rig over the next couple of months. Apparanly it is bigger than the Goliath crane.
Surely an oil rig would be that size at least?
Quote from: under the bar on November 14, 2013, 10:27:43 PM
Surely any oil rig would be that size at least?
Not when It's sitting in the dry dock. These jobs have to go across because when the yard effectively closed all those trades men changed skills/jobs they are settled and would have no intention of going back to employment that will be finished once the job is done.
Manufacturing is doing really well, we've over 200 engineering students but places like the Yard won't take them on, oil rig work is demanding in that it requires coded welders to a high spec because of the work, plenty of welders/platers in Portsmouth available I'd say ;)
Quote from: whiskeysteve on November 14, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
a man in the know told me this year the course that produces the highest number of graduates in Queens/NI - Psychology - says it all.
A psychology degree usually gets you a job in a call centre