This is a draw both teams will be happy with and either will think they can win . Monaghan will feel they have a good chance against Tyrone and Tyrone will feel that this is one of the easier teams from the other side of the draw.
Game at 5-00pm this Saturday followed by Cork v Dublin at seven.
Tyrone would have taken the extra day (Sunday) for this match.
I have a horrible feeling Tyrone will make this years AI final.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 27, 2013, 10:38:25 PM
Tyrone would have taken the extra day (Sunday) for this match.
And they've had a very recent run out in Croker.
Quote from: BennyCake on July 27, 2013, 10:47:15 PM
I have a horrible feeling Tyrone will make this years AI final.
I have a feeling and horrible it ain't. But Monaghan will have to maintain the performance of the Ulster final and Tyrone will have to up it, because Sean Kavanagh won't have the kind of influence he had today.
Tyrone will be delighted with this draw.
The pressure is on Monaghan to back up their win last weekend.
Tyrone not playing particularly well.
It'll draw a good crowd.
Full house next Saturday evening ?.
Brilliant draw for Ulster! Guarantees at least one Ulster team will contest the AI semi finals! The Gaels of Armagh and Derry will once again get the opportunity to cheer on Tyrone, or Monaghan
I have the feeling that the only way to finish a tyrone man is to get him down and stake him like Dracula. they just wont go away ;D they're playing some horrible stuff and nobody is shining in any great way but they could rattle through to a final. monaghan have a cup and I think they'll be happy enough although malachy could have other ideas. tyrone to stumble on for me
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 27, 2013, 11:24:45 PM
Brilliant draw for Ulster! Guarantees at least one Ulster team will contest the AI semi finals! The Gaels of Armagh and Derry will once again get the opportunity to cheer on Tyrone, or Monaghan
The vast majority of Derry and large parts of Armagh will be cheering on Tyrone for sure......
We owe yis bastids one!
Can't wait!
I'd be more than happy with that draw from a Tyrone point of view. Winning is a great habit to get into and we've been getting over the line. Reminds me a bit of 2008, winning but not impressing and then (hopefully) produce a performance when not much is expected of you.
We appear to be happy to go 4-5 points up and then just sit back and invite the other team on, something I wouldn't like to see repeated. There's at least 20-30% improvement that can come from almost all the Tyrone players. Hopefully we see it on Saturday evening.
An awful lot of emphasis is being placed on Monaghan's performance against Donegal. They could very easily repeat their performance against Antrim... They won't spring any surprise on Tyrone that's for sure.
With a few days celebrations and all the distractions that come with it. I think we've got a fantastic chance. Two Errigal Ciaran men managing rival teams!
Quote from: orangeman on July 27, 2013, 11:03:13 PM
Tyrone will be delighted with this draw.
The pressure is on Monaghan to back up their win last weekend.
Tyrone not playing particularly well.
It'll draw a good crowd.
Full house next Saturday evening ?.
Au contraire, the pressure is all on Tyrone, we are just strutting our Ulster champions jive for another game, whilst there are ten thousand Tyronies ready to knife Mickey Harte in the back should they lose to Monaghan. The objective observer can easily credit the job MH has done to manage to get that team of hod carriers this far, but we will not underestimate the challenge they offer us.
We'll have a plan i'm sure, but we will never stoop to the cynical depths of trying to out-tyrone Tyrone.
"No you have the pressure! No you! Ok, whoever Roy Curtis hypes up has the pressure."
Quote from: barelegs on July 27, 2013, 11:49:13 PM
I'd be more than happy with that draw from a Tyrone point of view. Winning is a great habit to get into and we've been getting over the line. Reminds me a bit of 2008, winning but not impressing and then (hopefully) produce a performance when not much is expected of you.
We appear to be happy to go 4-5 points up and then just sit back and invite the other team on, something I wouldn't like to see repeated. There's at least 20-30% improvement that can come from almost all the Tyrone players. Hopefully we see it on Saturday evening.
An awful lot of emphasis is being placed on Monaghan's performance against Donegal. They could very easily repeat their performance against Antrim... They won't spring any surprise on Tyrone that's for sure.
With a few days celebrations and all the distractions that come with it. I think we've got a fantastic chance. Two Errigal Ciaran men managing rival teams!
If Monaghan's hunger has been sated by winning Ulster then they won't play as well as they did against Donegal. I think it will be hard for O'Rourke to get them up to that level again after the success of last Sunday and the celebrations and accolades since.
I expect pure agricultural dirt from Monaghan.
They're too stupid down there to spell cynical never mind execute it.
Quote from: ONeill on July 28, 2013, 02:13:41 AM
I expect pure agricultural dirt from Monaghan.
They're too stupid down there to spell cynical never mind execute it.
;D
I was a bit surprised at first to see Monaghan are 2/1 outsiders for this, 11/10(+2) with the handicap and I was about to jump on that before I had the thought that Croke Park might not suit Monaghan. Pace and fitness are the key things in the open spaces Croke Park. Are Monaghan fast?
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 28, 2013, 02:47:35 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 28, 2013, 02:13:41 AM
I expect pure agricultural dirt from Monaghan.
They're too stupid down there to spell cynical never mind execute it.
;D
I was a bit surprised at first to see Monaghan are 2/1 outsiders for this, 11/10(+2) with the handicap and I was about to jump on that before I had the thought that Croke Park might not suit Monaghan. Pace and fitness are the key things in the open spaces Croke Park. Are Monaghan fast?
Ask Karl Lacey.
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 28, 2013, 02:47:35 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 28, 2013, 02:13:41 AM
I expect pure agricultural dirt from Monaghan.
They're too stupid down there to spell cynical never mind execute it.
;D
I was a bit surprised at first to see Monaghan are 2/1 outsiders for this, 11/10(+2) with the handicap and I was about to jump on that before I had the thought that Croke Park might not suit Monaghan. Pace and fitness are the key things in the open spaces Croke Park. Are Monaghan fast?
How can Tyrone be 1-2 favourites for this game ?
Makes no sense after the way Monaghan hammered quite literally at times, Donegal into the ground last week.
As Joe dais on tv last night, Monaghan shouldn't be afraid of Tyrone and should go out and "get dug into Tyrone" !
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 28, 2013, 02:47:35 AM
I was a bit surprised at first to see Monaghan are 2/1 outsiders for this, 11/10(+2) with the handicap and I was about to jump on that before I had the thought that Croke Park might not suit Monaghan. Pace and fitness are the key things in the open spaces Croke Park. Are Monaghan fast?
Not that old chestnut again!
Clones - 142 x 87m
Croke Park - 144.5m x 88m
Yes, they'll really struggle to make the transition!
Quote from: orangeman on July 27, 2013, 11:03:13 PM
Tyrone will be delighted with this draw.
The pressure is on Monaghan to back up their win last weekend.
I hate to break it to you, but the pressure is always on the favourites.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 28, 2013, 08:55:52 AM
Quote from: orangeman on July 27, 2013, 11:03:13 PM
Tyrone will be delighted with this draw.
The pressure is on Monaghan to back up their win last weekend.
I hate to break it to you, but the pressure is always on the favourites.
Monaghan are the champions having beaten the all ireland champions into the ground and on the scoreboard.
Tyrone playing poorly.
All the pressure on Monaghan in my book to show that the Uster final was not a one off.
Quote from: orangeman on July 28, 2013, 09:03:44 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 28, 2013, 08:55:52 AM
Quote from: orangeman on July 27, 2013, 11:03:13 PM
Tyrone will be delighted with this draw.
The pressure is on Monaghan to back up their win last weekend.
I hate to break it to you, but the pressure is always on the favourites.
Monaghan are the champions having beaten the all ireland champions into the ground and on the scoreboard.
Tyrone playing poorly.
All the pressure on Monaghan in my book to show that the Uster final was not a one off.
So the favourites aren't the, er, favourite to win?
Monaghan have silverware in the bag and are in bonus territory. Of the 8 teams left, they're ranked 7th to win Sam (Monaghan 25/1, Tyrone 9/1). Monaghan will be well up for next week and won't want to be on the wrong end of a hammering, but they're under no pressure here.
Having said that, I think the odds are well off the mark (as they were in the Ulster Final). There's nothing about Tyrone's performances this year that should frighten Monaghan - they were distinctly average last night against a team that Monaghan has beaten twice, by 12 points and 5 points, earlier this year (albeit in the league). If Meath had managed to keep any kind of hold on Cavanagh they'd have been able to pip Tyrone. Added to this that the draw will give Monaghan great motivation, given recent history with Tyrone. Roll on Saturday!
You're right about the odds. Look how silly you left the odds compilers last week.
Monaghan won't be afriad of taking on Tyrone - they'll relish it and if they play anything like they did last week against Donegal, they'll be in an all Ireland semi final.
Quote from: orangeman on July 28, 2013, 09:20:43 AM
You're right about the odds. Look how silly you left the odds compilers last week.
Monaghan won't be afriad of taking on Tyrone - they'll relish it and if they play anything like they did last week against Donegal, they'll be in an all Ireland semi final.
I was reading on Hoganstand that PaddyPower had to pay out €10k on a few bets that Monaghan's keeper (Beggan) would score - they were well off the mark on that one too with odds of 10/1!
Quote from: ONeill on July 28, 2013, 02:13:41 AM
I expect pure agricultural dirt from Monaghan.
They're too stupid down there to spell cynical never mind execute it.
em. very cynical comment there ONeill.
as for the dirt. we learned it from ye crowd.
I wonder will Monaghan bring that same manic intensity as they did for 70 mins against Donegal.
The 2 Hugheseses and McManus need a watching.
2 years ago: http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2011/0603/280702-tyrone_monaghan/
Can see Tyrone giving Monaghan a tanking here. The bright lights of croke park and the hangover of the open top bus tours will be too much for the Monaghan bucks.
A few points from Tyrone this last few games
- McConnells Kickouts are terrible, no confidence to go short with them.
- Colm Cavanagh does not deserve to start
- showed great character in tough games which could stand to them
Anyone know if Ronan O'Neill is fit or injured? It's a shame he picked out that injury a year ago. Went to see him in a few club championship games and he was destined to be a superstar at 19 yrs of age. Had everything, balance, pace, both feet, was just a class apart.
Still I suppose he is only 21 or so and has plenty of time on his side.
Quote from: EC Unique on July 28, 2013, 10:59:01 AM
Can see Tyrone giving Monaghan a tanking here. The bright lights of croke park and the hangover of the open top bus tours will be too much for the Monaghan bucks.
What bright lights? It's on at 5 o'clock.
And there was no open top bus.
Quote from: ONeill on July 28, 2013, 10:52:13 AM
2 years ago: http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2011/0603/280702-tyrone_monaghan/
I've seldom been as soaked as I was at that game. Monaghan never looked like winning, but only two points in it, despite us playing over half a game with 14 men.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 28, 2013, 08:46:37 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 28, 2013, 02:47:35 AM
I was a bit surprised at first to see Monaghan are 2/1 outsiders for this, 11/10(+2) with the handicap and I was about to jump on that before I had the thought that Croke Park might not suit Monaghan. Pace and fitness are the key things in the open spaces Croke Park. Are Monaghan fast?
Not that old chestnut again!
Clones - 142 x 87m
Croke Park - 144.5m x 88m
Yes, they'll really struggle to make the transition!
Thanks for that info Maguire. And the sarcasm.
Reminds me of when I was working on the building site back in Ireland. I asked the boss if there was a shovel around anywhere. "Well Paul, If ya opened your eyes ya might see it". Some Irish people can't answer a question without letting ya know how stupid ya were for asking it. There are even sarcastic fcukers teaching in schools which really isn't good.
Anyway, I was watching the Cork/Galway game and I was struck by all the space out there but that was probably more to do with formations than the pitch. Croke Park does look a lot bigger though. Thinlk I'll have the few quid on Monaghan. Those odds look too high to me.
Did the farney players do much celebrating during the week?
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on July 28, 2013, 11:39:01 AM
Did the farney players do much celebrating during the week?
Most of them made it back training on Friday night, the ones that didn't still had a few quid to go drinking for the weekend as they'd backed Beggan to score in both halves last weekend. They'll be drunk out soon enough though.
Quote from: EC Unique on July 28, 2013, 10:59:01 AM
Can see Tyrone giving Monaghan a tanking here. The bright lights of croke park and the hangover of the open top bus tours will be too much for the Monaghan bucks.
It's great to see that Tyrone followers are
realistic about their prospects. You clearly haven't seen Tyrone play in a few yeas and are living in 2008, or thereabouts.
What signs from your game against Meath last night warrants you to think that you will 'tank' Monaghan next Saturday?
As they say; 'wind your neck in lad'.
Do not care how this match goes as long as Monaghan win.
Monaghan's greatest challenge in this one is bringing themselves back down to Earth, no matter what is said -- the Ulster Championship was a momentous achievement, something not too easily dismissed from their collective consciousness.
I agree with FoSB. Should Monaghan be able to reach the levels of the Ulster final then they have every chance of overcoming Tyrone this time. Winning ulster was a huge deal to players and fans alike. And yes the celebrations were great and long overdue. But the players were back in action on Wed. Hopefully they can re-group and hit the ground running on Saturday. Lookin forward to it.
Surely the fact that they owe Tyrone one or two should inspire Monaghan? On the evidence of last night,I cannot see Tyrone winning this,Minaghan are bound to target both O'Neill and Cavanagh.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 28, 2013, 07:57:55 PM
Surely the fact that they owe Tyrone one or two should inspire Monaghan? On the evidence of last night,I cannot see Tyrone winning this,Minaghan are bound to target both O'Neill and Cavanagh.
You'd have thought so. This is the draw I was hoping for personally and no better team than Tyrone to focus the players' minds after last weekends celebrations. I think we'll need a massive game from Darren Hughes in midfield, especially when you look at the influence Cavanagh had yesterday. Hopefully the brother can keep up the form up front along with McManus and we could also do with similar performances from the full back line and Dessie Mone. Alot to ask for but we'll give it a lash sure.
We wanted Monaghan. Monaghan wanted us.
I feel love in the room.
It will be ignorant on the pitch and twice as ignorant in the stands
Quote from: Minder on July 28, 2013, 08:33:15 PM
It will be ignorant on the pitch and twice as ignorant in the stands
You've got to love these 'Hero Members', from on high, with their one liners. What part of the world are ye from Minder?
Quote from: babarino on July 28, 2013, 08:41:03 PM
Quote from: Minder on July 28, 2013, 08:33:15 PM
It will be ignorant on the pitch and twice as ignorant in the stands
You've got to love these 'Hero Members', from on high, with their one liners. What part of the world are ye from Minder?
He's from Antrim (snigger)
If they can rise above the torment of a million butterflies chattering in their stomachs, a guard of honour from the Tyrone team would be an appropriate sporting gesture towards the new champions when they strut manfully onto Croke Pk.
"Guard of honour"! Catch yourself on lad! :o
You get a guard of honour when you win
the big one, end of! ;D
Monaghan won Ulster by defeating Donegal forget the rest. Three years in a row Tyrone claimed they would defeat Donegal and lost every time. It's important Monaghan don't let Tyrone devalue their Ulster success.
They are in no doubt a bogey team for us but the younger lads won't care about that. It'll be another fairly tight battle with a few rugby tackles towards the end like the Meath game.. Sure they've played Rugby in Croker before I suppose.. ;)
I'd be confident of a Monaghan win however..
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 29, 2013, 09:41:12 AM
They are in no doubt a bogey team for us but the younger lads won't care about that. It'll be another fairly tight battle with a few rugby tackles towards the end like the Meath game.. Sure they've played Rugby in Croker before I suppose.. ;)
I'd be confident of a Monaghan win however..
Tyrone are not a 'bogey team' to Monaghan. They are just better.
In all seriousness where has the Monaghan confidence come from? Yes they beat Donegal over 70 minutes with an intensity not seen before by them. Those 70 minutes was monaghans all Ireland. As someone else has said this is bonus territory for them. Of course they will give it a go but I am still mystified.
Tyrone on the other hand have experience at this late stage of the championship, with a mixture of youth and oldies. They haven't been playing great for a full 70 minutes and to win the all Ireland they'd need to start however Monaghan will not win this game approaching it with the same tactics as they did for Donegal. Versus Meath I never once felt Tyrone would lose the game and always felt they had more in the tank to get over the line, naivity perhaps but I feel the same versus Monaghan.
Couldn't be a better draw from a Tyrone perspective. Reminds me of the build up in 2010 when all the talk was about how Monaghan were going to hammer Tyrone. I feel that a combination of everything going right for Monaghan last week and everything going wrong for Donegal was the main reason of the Monaghan win. They looked impressive and deserved the win, but I'm sure Tyrone will be happy to prepare this week under the radar.
Quote from: EC Unique on July 29, 2013, 10:01:49 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 29, 2013, 09:41:12 AM
They are in no doubt a bogey team for us but the younger lads won't care about that. It'll be another fairly tight battle with a few rugby tackles towards the end like the Meath game.. Sure they've played Rugby in Croker before I suppose.. ;)
I'd be confident of a Monaghan win however..
Tyrone are not a 'bogey team' to Monaghan. They are just better.
Every day is different and teams change. You're only as good as your last game and Saturday will tell a tale.
As we're seeing on here both sets of fans seem to fancy their chances which has the makings for a good game. (on paper anyway)
When I came out from the Meath match on Sat I felt we didn't play that well, especially second half and had resigned myself to thinking that was our last win of the year. However, we did get the best draw I suppose but if Monaghan can repeat the hunger and workload of last weeks win over Funegal then I think they will win.
We've been doing OK and just enough to scrape by each match but I don't know is that just luck or can we up a gear if we need to. If we struggle to get the ball to stick in our FF line then I think we're in trouble.
We're certainly no where near as good as we were when we beat Monaghan back in 2010. We tend to strangle the life out of teams more nowadays though I was shocked to read we created 30 scoring chances on Sat. It certainly didn't feel like it.
On another note, I wish Mattie Donnelly would go for his goal a lot more when he's put through. We don't get many goal chances and from this stage on goals win games.
Quote from: Muzz on July 29, 2013, 10:10:16 AM
In all seriousness where has the Monaghan confidence come from? Yes they beat Donegal over 70 minutes with an intensity not seen before by them. Those 70 minutes was monaghans all Ireland. As someone else has said this is bonus territory for them. Of course they will give it a go but I am still mystified.
Tyrone on the other hand have experience at this late stage of the championship, with a mixture of youth and oldies. They haven't been playing great for a full 70 minutes and to win the all Ireland they'd need to start however Monaghan will not win this game approaching it with the same tactics as they did for Donegal. Versus Meath I never once felt Tyrone would lose the game and always felt they had more in the tank to get over the line, naivity perhaps but I feel the same versus Monaghan.
Ah that trite cliche again... How do you know it was our AI, what facts or indeed logic are you basing that statement on?
I seriously disagree with your second (highlighted) statement also. If Monaghan play with the same intensity and tactics I'd be pretty confident that they will beat Tyrone. Some of your fellow posters have agreed with this also. Perhaps it is naivety on your part..
It is bonus territory, but they will be well up for this match, knowing that a place in the last four beckons should they advance. Monaghan are a good mixture of experience and youth also. They older lads have been on the end of many a beating from Tyrone, due to their superior footballing ability, as stated by yourself. However, it is conceivable now for Monahan to be confident going into this game, for which they will be underdogs no doubt. ;)
Here's what Mickey Harte had to say in the Irish Times today (http://"http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/no-quarter-to-be-given-as-croke-park-gets-ready-to-be-lit-up-1.1478322")
Indeed, you have to go all the way back to 1988 for the last Monaghan victory over Tyrone. Harte was in Clones for the Ulster final and was taken with what he saw, as he explained after his side's two-point win over Meath on Saturday night.
'Great ferocity'
"Monaghan were more than impressive against Donegal," said Hartes, "and if they produce that kind of form, probably what we did today wouldn't be any good. So we'll have to improve on all our performances this year.
"They tackled with a great ferocity. They smothered Donegal and didn't let them hurt them where I mattered. I suppose they took their three key inside players out of the game in terms of scores.
"The most impressive thing about them was having played so much and so well in the first half to be only 0-5 to 0-2 up Donegal probably felt in a good enough place because they are very capable of overhauling that kind of lead and in the second half Monaghan had to knock on and get some more scores and they did that.
"They kept that gap, they never let Donegal any closer than three which was an amazing feat on its own and they just pulled away in the end.
"Our performances, anything we have played to date would not beat the Monaghan I saw in the Ulster final last Sunday."
Unusual for Mickey to throw in the towel, getting his excuses for defeat in early. But perhaps he realises deep down that Tyrone haven't got that extra gear to stop the wheel of destiny, the year of the championship grand slam for Monaghan over Tyrone.
2 refs named so far for the Quarters, but none yet for this game........please God dont let it be one of the chuckle brothers......
Given that there were no injuries or suspensions I think Tyrone will line out very similar if not exactly the same. I would like to see Cassidy get a full game but maybe he is not fit for that and always comes on to great effect as a sub. I doubt if Coney will get another chance from the bench as he was poor when he came on and McAlisky would be deserving of a chance at this stage. McGinley got a bit of stick on here when selected against Meath but I think he did enough to keep his place. Monaghan won the game against Donegal in the first 10 minutes by coming out of the traps at 100mph. Donegal did not know what hit them. If Tyrone can win the first quarter then they will win the game. If we can get ahead by 2 or 3 points in that period then we will see what Monaghan are made of....
Quote from: FarneyMan on July 29, 2013, 02:33:37 PM
2 refs named so far for the Quarters, but none yet for this game........please God dont let it be one of the chuckle brothers......
My sources tell me Pat McEnaney is coming out of retirement :-\
Seriously though, out of curiosity, with Pat on the referees committe (chair I think), does he have a say on who referees this match??
All refs appointed now......Cormac Reilly for this match.
http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/national-fixtures/gaa-football-all-ireland-senior-championship/
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 29, 2013, 02:08:25 PM
Quote from: Muzz on July 29, 2013, 10:10:16 AM
In all seriousness where has the Monaghan confidence come from? Yes they beat Donegal over 70 minutes with an intensity not seen before by them. Those 70 minutes was monaghans all Ireland. As someone else has said this is bonus territory for them. Of course they will give it a go but I am still mystified.
Tyrone on the other hand have experience at this late stage of the championship, with a mixture of youth and oldies. They haven't been playing great for a full 70 minutes and to win the all Ireland they'd need to start however Monaghan will not win this game approaching it with the same tactics as they did for Donegal. Versus Meath I never once felt Tyrone would lose the game and always felt they had more in the tank to get over the line, naivity perhaps but I feel the same versus Monaghan.
Ah that trite cliche again... How do you know it was our AI, what facts or indeed logic are you basing that statement on?
I seriously disagree with your second (highlighted) statement also. If Monaghan play with the same intensity and tactics I'd be pretty confident that they will beat Tyrone. Some of your fellow posters have agreed with this also. Perhaps it is naivety on your part..
It is bonus territory, but they will be well up for this match, knowing that a place in the last four beckons should they advance. Monaghan are a good mixture of experience and youth also. They older lads have been on the end of many a beating from Tyrone, due to their superior footballing ability, as stated by yourself. However, it is conceivable now for Monahan to be confident going into this game, for which they will be underdogs no doubt. ;)
Of course it was their all Ireland no one would disagree with that. The stats and reason for that is simple...Monaghan do not play with that intensity any other time. To win the ulster championship was a massive achievement for Monaghan.
Refarding the tactics deployed as someone else said above Monaghan won the game by getting ahead early. Monaghan did a Donegal get ahead and swarm the defence to make scores harder to come by. Tyrone won't mind being behind and have come from behind twice versus Meath. They will believe they can come back. That's why I believe the tactics need to change.
Just realised it was Cormac Reilly ref'd the last championship encounter between us in 2011, sent off 2 from Monaghan and awarded 2 penalties (one to each side).......
Was curious about our scoring stats this year as was thinking our half backs aren't scoring as freely as in other years
2.77 in 5 matches with Stevie only scoring 2 points isn't great considering we put up a massive 1.27 v a very poor Offaly outfit.
I suppose a lot more teams are using the sweeper systems these days so it's harder for players to get big scores like years ago.
Donegal - 0.10 S. Cavanagh, Mat. Donnelly 0-02 each,
N. Morgan, Justin McMahon, C. Cavanagh, S. O'Neill, C. McAliskey, K. Coney 0-01 eac
Offaly 1.27 - Seems to be an extra score in the names below from the Indo.
R O'Neill 1-2,
D McCurry 0-8 (3f),
S Cavanagh 0-6 (5f),
Mattie Donnelly 0-3,
C McAliskey, Mark Donnelly, C Clarke 0-2 each,
C McGinley, K Coney (f) 0-1 each.
Roscommon 0.12D McCurry 0-6 (4f),
S Cavanagh (1f), Mark Donnelly 0-2 each,
M Penrose, C McAliskey (45) 0-1 each
Kildare 1.11Mattie Donnelly 1-01,
S Cavanagh (3f) 0-04,
D McCurry (3f) 0-03,
P Harte, Mark Donnelly, M Penrose (1f) 0-01 each
Meath 0.17S Cavanagh (0-8, 0-6 frees);
Matthew Donnelly (0-2),
D McCurry (0-5, 0-3 frees, 0-1 45),
S O'Neill (0-1)
A Cassidy (0-1)
| McCurry | 0-22 ...8 from play |
| S.Cavanagh | 0-22 ...7 from play |
| Mat.Donnelly | 1-10 |
| Mark Donelly | 0-05 |
| C.McAliskey | 0-03 |
| R.O'Neill | 1-02 |
| C.Clarke | 0-02 |
| M.Penrose | 0-02 |
| k.Coney | 0-02 |
| S.O'Neill | 0-02 |
| P.Harte | 0-01 |
| A.Cassidy | 0-01 |
| N.Morgan | 0-01 |
| Justin McMahon | 0-01 |
| C.Cavanagh | 0-01 |
| C.McGinley | 0-01 |
No wonder young McCurry seems to have a pep in his step. I didn't realise he was top scorer.
We seem to use Stevie more now as a way to win scoreable frees.
Will any of the Monaghan team be sober by Saturday? Skip forward to 20th minute...hey hey hey Farney Army!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4LmYbZgpjE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
All been drinking their brains out since 21st july........
That win was our All-Ireland.........
Dont be worrying about us next Saturday, sure we're still on the lash.....
That's what we though Farneyman and thanks for ruffing up Donegal for us and Mayo.
We'll let ye win in the 1st round of Ulster next year for a change.
Quote from: FarneyMan on July 29, 2013, 03:47:05 PM
All been drinking their brains out since 21st july........
That win was our All-Ireland.........
Dont be worrying about us next Saturday, sure we're still on the lash.....
Good man. Sure if any of your lads need a lift from the Westenra the Tyrone team usually have their breakfast there on the way through and can give them a lift ;)
I see Peter Harte made the hoganstand team of the week for the second week in succession. I actually thought he played well on Saturday night.
Looking forward to watching it back tonight when I get home from work, but I was surprised by some of the comments a few pages back.
Was looking through the stats that Fuzzman posted up there. Ronan O'Neill kicked 1-2 as a sub against Offaly, yet hasn't had a sniff since.
Any of the Omagh lads know if Justy will be available come Saturday? He'd be a good option against a very physical & robust Monaghan side.
I heard he's badly hurt his calf and will be out for the foreseeable future.
Did anyone else think Joe was quiet on Sat?
A lot more people are taking notice of Mattie Donnelly now I see.
Be interesting to see who Monaghan mark him.
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In all seriousness where has the Monaghan confidence come from? Yes they beat Donegal over 70 minutes with an intensity not seen before by them. Those 70 minutes was monaghans all Ireland. As someone else has said this is bonus territory for them. Of course they will give it a go but I am still mystified.
Tyrone on the other hand have experience at this late stage of the championship, with a mixture of youth and oldies. They haven't been playing great for a full 70 minutes and to win the all Ireland they'd need to start however Monaghan will not win this game approaching it with the same tactics as they did for Donegal. Versus Meath I never once felt Tyrone would lose the game and always felt they had more in the tank to get over the line, naivity perhaps but I feel the same versus Monaghan.
Ah that trite cliche again... How do you know it was our AI, what facts or indeed logic are you basing that statement on?
I seriously disagree with your second (highlighted) statement also. If Monaghan play with the same intensity and tactics I'd be pretty confident that they will beat Tyrone. Some of your fellow posters have agreed with this also. Perhaps it is naivety on your part..
It is bonus territory, but they will be well up for this match, knowing that a place in the last four beckons should they advance. Monaghan are a good mixture of experience and youth also. They older lads have been on the end of many a beating from Tyrone, due to their superior footballing ability, as stated by yourself. However, it is conceivable now for Monahan to be confident going into this game, for which they will be underdogs no doubt. ;)
Of course it was their all Ireland no one would disagree with that. The stats and reason for that is simple...Monaghan do not play with that intensity any other time. To win the ulster championship was a massive achievement for Monaghan.
Refarding the tactics deployed as someone else said above Monaghan won the game by getting ahead early. Monaghan did a Donegal get ahead and swarm the defence to make scores harder to come by. Tyrone won't mind being behind and have come from behind twice versus Meath. They will believe they can come back. That's why I believe the tactics need to change.
And Monaghan may build up an early lead again and maintain it. Tyrone will of course mind being behind. One of the main reasons why you won on Sat was that you had the lead going into the last ten mins. You subsequently pulled to the ground every Meath man who attempted to make an attack in a cynical tactical ploy to close out the game. Even your best forward Stephen O'Neill had to walk the line to comply with this ploy which I thought was sad to be honest.. Based on this I don't believe the tactics need to change at all i.e. if Monaghan have the lead then pulling and rugby tackling men to the ground will be of little use to Tyrone...
Question:
Are Monaghan the worst Ulster Champions since 1988?
Bit sceptical about the appointment of a Meath referee following the media coverage of SAturdays game. The rte bias in relation to the game was unreal. Deegan gave soft frees throughout the game and there was cynical fouls by both teams but they were only interested in the soft frees given to Tyrone and their fouls.
I was delighted with our victory on Saturday and ability to win tight championship games against difficult opposition. To me the last few weeks have been perfect preparation for the quarter finals. You only need to win games by a point and we've consistently producing results throughout the year.
I wouldn't be making many changes to the starting team from the last day. There's a lot of know all's in Tyrone who think they know best and would drop half the team but to me Harte has got it close to right. McGinley did a good job on Saturday.
This is a great opportunity to get to the semi finals and from there anything is possible.
Quote from: EC Unique on July 29, 2013, 02:38:35 PM
Given that there were no injuries or suspensions I think Tyrone will line out very similar if not exactly the same. I would like to see Cassidy get a full game but maybe he is not fit for that and always comes on to great effect as a sub. I doubt if Coney will get another chance from the bench as he was poor when he came on and McAlisky would be deserving of a chance at this stage. McGinley got a bit of stick on here when selected against Meath but I think he did enough to keep his place. Monaghan won the game against Donegal in the first 10 minutes by coming out of the traps at 100mph. Donegal did not know what hit them. If Tyrone can win the first quarter then they will win the game. If we can get ahead by 2 or 3 points in that period then we will see what Monaghan are made of....
I think that's spot on.
Colm pulled it out of the bag late on and hopefully starts as he finished on Saturday. Tyrone looked more secure without McCrory.
I must watch the game again. To me it seemed like Mark Donnelly had one of his poorest games to date, although the Irish News gave him a high enough rating. I barely remember him being on the ball apart from the last 5 mins of the first half.
ec unique ,and the tyrone public wonder why theyre the most hated team in the 32.dont think you will be sniggering much longer-monaghan by 5.
Quote from: ONeill on July 29, 2013, 10:07:49 PM
Question:
Are Monaghan the worst Ulster Champions since 1988?
Of course they are O'Neill. Did that question even need to be asked? ::)
They broke my young heart that day. I never forget you, Michael Cranney.
Just watched the first half there again.
Mark Donnelly touched the ball 4 times in the first half hour. On two occasions he offloaded it quickly. On one occasion it was knocked out of his hands. The other time he foot passed it to a Meath man.
I'm a massive fan of Donnelly. Was there something up we don't know about and that's why he was withdrawn - apart from the yellow that is?
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 29, 2013, 10:22:50 PM
Bit sceptical about the appointment of a Meath referee following the media coverage of SAturdays game. The rte bias in relation to the game was unreal. Deegan gave soft frees throughout the game and there was cynical fouls by both teams but they were only interested in the soft frees given to Tyrone and their fouls...
Here we go again with the Tyronies, doing what they do best. The ball hasn't be thrown in and they're yakkin' at the ref, RTE, the last ref...They're all agin' us!
Quote from: ONeill on July 30, 2013, 12:00:56 AM
Just watched the first half there again.
Mark Donnelly touched the ball 4 times in the first half hour. On two occasions he offloaded it quickly. On one occasion it was knocked out of his hands. The other time he foot passed it to a Meath man.
I'm a massive fan of Donnelly. Was there something up we don't know about and that's why he was withdrawn - apart from the yellow that is?
During the game itself, maybe after his first or second possession he seemed to hurt his arm or hand. Remember him coming out from the tackle holding his arm then he receives a pass which he offloads pretty quickly. He did seem to have one of his quieter games but was no where near the worst on show.
Colm Cavanagh could have been called ashore after twenty minutes Sunday. Peter Harte was guilty of giving away numerous balls and young Mc Kenna was having a rough time. Cavanagh did eventually work his way into the game and caught a few important balls near the end. Do you think Harte left him on so that he wouldn't disturb Sean who was having a superb game?
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Just watched the first half there again.
Mark Donnelly touched the ball 4 times in the first half hour. On two occasions he offloaded it quickly. On one occasion it was knocked out of his hands. The other time he foot passed it to a Meath man.
I'm a massive fan of Donnelly. Was there something up we don't know about and that's why he was withdrawn - apart from the yellow that is?
During the game itself, maybe after his first or second possession he seemed to hurt his arm or hand. Remember him coming out from the tackle holding his arm then he receives a pass which he offloads pretty quickly. He did seem to have one of his quieter games but was no where near the worst on show.
Colm Cavanagh could have been called ashore after twenty minutes Sunday. Peter Harte was guilty of giving away numerous balls and young Mc Kenna was having a rough time. Cavanagh did eventually work his way into the game and caught a few important balls near the end. Do you think Harte left him on so that he wouldn't disturb Sean who was having a superb game?
You think Pete Harte had a worse game than Mark Donnelly?
Harte had an 80% game. He was heavily involved alongside Mattie in moving the ball forward from turnovers or breaking ball.
Colm turned it around. Yes, could easily have been withdrawn before that but it worked out ok.
Yes, I saw Mark working at his finger or wrist after about 2 mins. That's the only reason I can explain how quiet he was.
Another thing I noticed was how shy Penrose has become when it comes to scoring. A few times it was a knock over from not too far out but he chose to offload.
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Just watched the first half there again.
Mark Donnelly touched the ball 4 times in the first half hour. On two occasions he offloaded it quickly. On one occasion it was knocked out of his hands. The other time he foot passed it to a Meath man.
I'm a massive fan of Donnelly. Was there something up we don't know about and that's why he was withdrawn - apart from the yellow that is?
During the game itself, maybe after his first or second possession he seemed to hurt his arm or hand. Remember him coming out from the tackle holding his arm then he receives a pass which he offloads pretty quickly. He did seem to have one of his quieter games but was no where near the worst on show.
Colm Cavanagh could have been called ashore after twenty minutes Sunday. Peter Harte was guilty of giving away numerous balls and young Mc Kenna was having a rough time. Cavanagh did eventually work his way into the game and caught a few important balls near the end. Do you think Harte left him on so that he wouldn't disturb Sean who was having a superb game?
You think Pete Harte had a worse game than Mark Donnelly?
He ended up having a decent game. Nothing special but decent, which seems to be a recurring theme with him. He seems to have lost a lot of confidence. He's a better player than what we have seen this year so far. I was actually one of the people hoping he would get a chance at half back, still hope he can come good. Saturday would be a nice time.
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Just watched the first half there again.
Mark Donnelly touched the ball 4 times in the first half hour. On two occasions he offloaded it quickly. On one occasion it was knocked out of his hands. The other time he foot passed it to a Meath man.
I'm a massive fan of Donnelly. Was there something up we don't know about and that's why he was withdrawn - apart from the yellow that is?
During the game itself, maybe after his first or second possession he seemed to hurt his arm or hand. Remember him coming out from the tackle holding his arm then he receives a pass which he offloads pretty quickly. He did seem to have one of his quieter games but was no where near the worst on show.
Colm Cavanagh could have been called ashore after twenty minutes Sunday. Peter Harte was guilty of giving away numerous balls and young Mc Kenna was having a rough time. Cavanagh did eventually work his way into the game and caught a few important balls near the end. Do you think Harte left him on so that he wouldn't disturb Sean who was having a superb game?
You think Pete Harte had a worse game than Mark Donnelly?
Harte made a couple of really obvious mistakes (bad passes), Donnelly was anonymous throughout though, not like him.
I think Peter Harte is potentially a really good footballer but recently has been really poor. If you are honest, on form, does he deserve
to start against Monaghan?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 29, 2013, 04:44:18 PM
I heard he's badly hurt his calf and will be out for the foreseeable future.
Did anyone else think Joe was quiet on Sat?
A lot more people are taking notice of Mattie Donnelly now I see.
Be interesting to see who Monaghan mark him.
Mattie Donnelly is our top scorer in the championship too this year, doing well. What is the latest on Ronan O'Neill? We really need some top quality attacking threat in the full forward line if we are to go anywhere. Monaghan people are overfilling with confidence after one good performance, 2010 all over again.
Anyone who thought Harte had a poor game on Saturday I would suggest you watch the game again. Tyrone would not have won the game without him. People seem to just see his mistakes and not see the runs that work, the passes into the full forwards chests and the scores that he works for himself. By his own very high standards he could be better but he is still more than good enough to justify his selection. Hopefully he will continue to improve as the games get harder.
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I heard he's badly hurt his calf and will be out for the foreseeable future.
Did anyone else think Joe was quiet on Sat?
A lot more people are taking notice of Mattie Donnelly now I see.
Be interesting to see who Monaghan mark him.
Mattie Donnelly is our top scorer in the championship too this year, doing well. What is the latest on Ronan O'Neill? We really need some top quality attacking threat in the full forward line if we are to go anywhere. Monaghan people are overfilling with confidence after one good performance, 2010 all over again.
Bit harsh no? I reckon Monaghan folks are (rightly) annoyed at the way they have been completely dismissed for this game. Perhaps even more so than they were before the Ulster final? While Tyrone are rightly favourites, it wouldn't require the miracle that some people are on about for them to make it a really close contest. I'd love to see Monaghan win and then overpower Mayo to get to the final. It's unlikely but possible.
Sean Cavanagh could be a serious health concern judging by the state of him after the massive effort he had to put in, to keep an ordinary enough Meath team at bay. Probably would be advisable to have oxygen tanks within easy reach on the sidelines, considering Tyrone will have to step up another gear or two for this encounter.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 30, 2013, 08:21:04 AM
Monaghan people are overfilling with confidence after one good performance, 2010 all over again.
We're Ulster champions, clearly it's nothing like 2010. Yes, we have played alot better against Donegal than the previous two games, but that big performance came in a big game when it was needed, unlike other years.
Monaghan have every right to approach this game with confidence, Tyrone aren't as good as ye think they are lads. Obviously they could well win, it'll be a tight one either way I think. But anyone who is seriously dismissing Monaghan's chances is clueless.
Quote from: EC Unique on July 30, 2013, 08:22:10 AM
Anyone who thought Harte had a poor game on Saturday I would suggest you watch the game again. Tyrone would not have won the game without him. People seem to just see his mistakes and not see the runs that work, the passes into the full forwards chests and the scores that he works for himself. By his own very high standards he could be better but he is still more than good enough to justify his selection. Hopefully he will continue to improve as the games get harder.
Id agree with that. I think his performance on Saturday was significantly improved from earlier in the year, and we all know there is still allot more in him. He made one or two silly mistakes that marred an otherwise fine individual performance.
Im still not sure we know his best position. Id like to see him play Joes role as sweeper, and perhaps utilise Joes height, strength, and playmaking further out the field.
But that's neither here nor there. Mickey wont make many changes for Saturday. In fact if there are no injurys (Mark Donnelly?) I expect him to go with the same again. Ciaran McGinley done enough to retain his place. Ryan McKenna maybe vulnerable, but we wont see more than one change.
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I heard he's badly hurt his calf and will be out for the foreseeable future.
Did anyone else think Joe was quiet on Sat?
A lot more people are taking notice of Mattie Donnelly now I see.
Be interesting to see who Monaghan mark him.
Mattie Donnelly is our top scorer in the championship too this year, doing well. What is the latest on Ronan O'Neill? We really need some top quality attacking threat in the full forward line if we are to go anywhere. Monaghan people are overfilling with confidence after one good performance, 2010 all over again.
Bit harsh no? I reckon Monaghan folks are (rightly) annoyed at the way they have been completely dismissed for this game. Perhaps even more so than they were before the Ulster final? While Tyrone are rightly favourites, it wouldn't require the miracle that some people are on about for them to make it a really close contest. I'd love to see Monaghan win and then overpower Mayo to get to the final. It's unlikely but possible.
Dunno what you have been listening to but both pundits on the Sunday Game and then Today fm yesterday evening went for Monaghan and on form you would also have to edge towards Monaghan so to say they are being dismissed a la before Donegal, well I just don't see it.
However the other side of the argument is that Tyrone were edged out in the division 1 league final by the Dubs whilst Monaghan plied there trde in division 3. That added to the fact that Monaghan have traditionally shrivelled at the sight of a Tyrone jersey n the past and it's a finely balanced affair. I doubt if we will see a team display the same levels of intensity as Monaghan displayed in the Ulster final for the rest of this years championship but whether or not they have the necessary quality up front to back this performance up and go on to compete for the AI is something we will know an awful lot more about after Saturday.
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I heard he's badly hurt his calf and will be out for the foreseeable future.
Did anyone else think Joe was quiet on Sat?
A lot more people are taking notice of Mattie Donnelly now I see.
Be interesting to see who Monaghan mark him.
Mattie Donnelly is our top scorer in the championship too this year, doing well. What is the latest on Ronan O'Neill? We really need some top quality attacking threat in the full forward line if we are to go anywhere. Monaghan people are overfilling with confidence after one good performance, 2010 all over again.
Bit harsh no? I reckon Monaghan folks are (rightly) annoyed at the way they have been completely dismissed for this game. Perhaps even more so than they were before the Ulster final? While Tyrone are rightly favourites, it wouldn't require the miracle that some people are on about for them to make it a really close contest. I'd love to see Monaghan win and then overpower Mayo to get to the final. It's unlikely but possible.
Dunno what you have been listening to but both pundits on the Sunday Game and then Today fm yesterday evening went for Monaghan and on form you would also have to edge towards Monaghan so to say they are being dismissed a la before Donegal, well I just don't see it.
However the other side of the argument is that Tyrone were edged out in the division 1 league final by the Dubs whilst Monaghan plied there trde in division 3. That added to the fact that Monaghan have traditionally shrivelled at the sight of a Tyrone jersey n the past and it's a finely balanced affair. I doubt if we will see a team display the same levels of intensity as Monaghan displayed in the Ulster final for the rest of this years championship but whether or not they have the necessary quality up front to back this performance up and go on to compete for the AI is something we will know an awful lot more about after Saturday.
Well the attitude on here has been somewhat dismissive of Monaghan. Some of it in jest I'm sure but to describe Monaghan as overfilling with confidence after one good performance is harsh.
Tyrone
should beat Monaghan but it's not a London-Cavan style certainty,
Quote from: yellowcard on July 30, 2013, 10:25:10 AM
However the other side of the argument is that Tyrone were edged out in the division 1 league final by the Dubs whilst Monaghan plied there trde in division 3.
So did Meath. And we beat them twice this year, by 12 points on the first occasion, and by 5 on the second. If Meath can give Tyrone a game of it, no reason we can't.
Monaghan have been inconsistent over the years, their max performance will be a challenge for Tyrone, but will they reach it?
Are the Monaghan players able to concentrate on the game at all with all the songs being written about them and all the other hype - get your Farney Army car stickers at....... etc.
Of course they can beat an average Tyrone team and probably would if they hadn't all this Ulster Title hype.
How many of the players are actually from Farney country?
Quote from: armaghniac on July 30, 2013, 06:27:02 PM
Monaghan have been inconsistent over the years, their max performance will be a challenge for Tyrone, but will they reach it?
Consistent in Clones and inconsistent outside of Clones?
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Monaghan have been inconsistent over the years
But we've been consistently inconsistent. 8)
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Monaghan have been inconsistent over the years, their max performance will be a challenge for Tyrone, but will they reach it?
90% of teams are inconsistent.
Tyrone have the capacity (somewhere) to raise their game from what we saw against Kildare and Meath, but will they reach it?
On a middling day for us, we can give them at least as good a game as what Kildare and Meath offered. Our fitness levels are impressive, experienced squad, no injuries, we are scoring 45's for a change, we have a damn good outside chance of beating them.
Quote from: ONeill on July 30, 2013, 06:58:35 PM
How many of the players are actually from Farney country?
2, maybe 3. Surprising we don't have any players from Iniskeen, normally do. There was a lad from Killanny, Dooley, on the panel. Not sure if Carrickmacross is in Farney. If yes add another 2.
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Quote from: ONeill on July 30, 2013, 06:58:35 PM
How many of the players are actually from Farney country?
2, maybe 3. Surprising we don't have any players from Iniskeen, normally do. There was a lad from Killanny, Dooley, on the panel. Not sure if Carrickmacross is in Farney. If yes add another 2.
My understanding is that Carrick is in the barony of Farney: http://www.logainm.ie/eolas/Data/Brainse/monaghan_1793_farney.jpg
To me the barony of Farney contains the following GAA clubs; Inniskeen, Magheracloone, Corduff, Carrickmacross, Donaghmoyne and Killanny.
If the above is correct then the following players hail from the barony of Farney:
Gavin Doogan - Magheracloone
Tomás Freeman - Magheracloone
Padraig Donaghy - Donaghamoyne
Peter O'Hanlon - Carrickmacross
Stephen Gollogly - Carrickmacross
Padraic Keenan - Corduff
Of course the 'Oriel County' is a much more accurate name for the whole of Monaghan, but you'd have trouble writing songs about the 'Oriel County' and the 'Oriel Army' doesn't have the same punch to it: http://www.irishidentity.com/extras/island/stories/farney.htm
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Quote from: ONeill on July 30, 2013, 06:58:35 PM
How many of the players are actually from Farney country?
2, maybe 3. Surprising we don't have any players from Iniskeen, normally do. There was a lad from Killanny, Dooley, on the panel. Not sure if Carrickmacross is in Farney. If yes add another 2.
My understanding is that Carrick is in the barony of Farney: http://www.logainm.ie/eolas/Data/Brainse/monaghan_1793_farney.jpg
To me the barony of Farney contains the following GAA clubs; Inniskeen, Magheracloone, Corduff, Carrickmacross, Donaghmoyne and Killanny.
If the above is correct then the following players hail from the barony of Farney:
Gavin Doogan - Magheracloone
Tomás Freeman - Magheracloone
Padraig Donaghy - Donaghamoyne
Peter O'Hanlon - Carrickmacross
Stephen Gollogly - Carrickmacross
Padraic Keenan - Corduff
Of course the 'Oriel County' is a much more accurate name for the whole of Monaghan, but you'd have trouble writing songs about the 'Oriel County' and the 'Oriel Army' doesn't have the same punch to it: http://www.irishidentity.com/extras/island/stories/farney.htm
Well put together response there GMF. I heard once that this misnomer dates from a time when the bulk of the players on the Monaghan team came from the barony of Farney and has since been perpetuated by the national press.
oriel army? Did elvis costello not sing that?
When I was at school, our classes were named after ancient places. Breffni was always superior to Oriel.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 30, 2013, 11:44:43 PM
When I was at school, our classes were named after ancient places. Breffni was always superior to Oriel.
Not this year.... :)
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When I was at school, our classes were named after ancient places. Breffni was always superior to Oriel.
That must have been the 40's or 50's right? ;)
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Quote from: armaghniac on July 30, 2013, 11:44:43 PM
When I was at school, our classes were named after ancient places. Breffni was always superior to Oriel.
That must have been the 40's or 50's right? ;)
Jebus, 1950s, you must think I am as old as Orior!
Justy McMahon back in training & available for selection for Saturday, according to the Irish Examiner. Good news for Tyrone fans that. I wouldn't start him myself, but he's a nice option to have to bring on after approx 50mins.
Quote from: God14 on July 31, 2013, 11:10:15 AM
Justy McMahon back in training & available for selection for Saturday, according to the Irish Examiner. Good news for Tyrone fans that. I wouldn't start him myself, but he's a nice option to have to bring on after approx 50mins.
Justy is an excellent defender alright, one of the best. Hopefully we'll be well out of sight by that stage.. ;)
I'd say ye will be.
We'll be well beat by the time Justy comes on. When was the last time he was seemingly fully fit for Tyrone - would it have been the Cork game in 2009?
Think Tyrone will make one change with Carlin coming in for McKenna if he has the 70 in the legs. If not it'll be the same as last week. Clarke and McCarron to pick up K Hughes and McManus?
Good article (he backs Monaghan) from Darragh Ó Sé in the IT as he reminisces with 'affection' about his experiences playing against Monaghan.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/monaghan-s-physicality-isn-t-about-playing-dirty-it-s-just-in-their-football-dna-1.1479776?page=1
Darragh correctly points out that we had not much ability on the subs bench in those days.
Then we were too nice under Eamon McEneaney, no wonder players lost their way, having strayed from their football dharma. O'Rourke has also added a bit of tactical nous which the players can understand, something that use to get lost in translation in the past.
Let's hope the ref clamps down on the typical Monaghan cynicism as shown in the last few mins of this clip from '88 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTQQa1djtF8
Hope history doesn't repeat itself with a keeper fumble and Hughes netting it.
Also, has any man donned a better moustache as the Prince wore in that clip, anywhere in the world.
Quote from: Main Street on July 31, 2013, 12:31:41 PM
Good article (he backs Monaghan) from Darragh Ó Sé in the IT as he reminisces with 'affection' about his experiences playing against Monaghan.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/monaghan-s-physicality-isn-t-about-playing-dirty-it-s-just-in-their-football-dna-1.1479776?page=1
Darragh correctly points out that we had not much ability on the subs bench in those days.
Then we were too nice under Eamon McEneaney, no wonder players lost their way, having strayed from their football dharma. O'Rourke has also added a bit of tactical nous which the players can understand, something that use to get lost in translation in the past.
Good article is right. Darragh O'Shea wouldn't be that well thought of in Monaghan I'd say. I remember the 2007 QF game, Paul Meegan from Innishkeen had just come on, O'Shea immediately busted him and that was it for Meegan. So, he didn't really help our 'bench' situation but that's football..
Fair play to him though, he nailed a few vald points there, specifically tactical nous. To me the lack of tactical nous on the slideline in 07/08 was our biggest handicap..
Was it Meegan whose face connected with Darragh's boot?
There's no way that was intentional, just reckless and most importantly, not penalised by the ref.
Quote from: ONeill on July 31, 2013, 12:57:15 PM
Let's hope the ref clamps down on the typical Monaghan cynicism as shown in the last few mins of this clip from '88 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTQQa1djtF8
Hope history doesn't repeat itself with a keeper fumble and Hughes netting it.
Also, has any man donned a better moustache as the Prince wore in that clip, anywhere in the world.
The boul Noel McGinn was lamenting that penalty decision on the radio during the minor Ulster final. He is still sore the poor craytor.
TBF it was a ridiculous call by the referee
Quote from: Main Street on July 31, 2013, 12:31:41 PM
Good article (he backs Monaghan) from Darragh Ó Sé in the IT as he reminisces with 'affection' about his experiences playing against Monaghan.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/monaghan-s-physicality-isn-t-about-playing-dirty-it-s-just-in-their-football-dna-1.1479776?page=1
Darragh correctly points out that we had not much ability on the subs bench in those days.
Then we were too nice under Eamon McEneaney, no wonder players lost their way, having strayed from their football dharma. O'Rourke has also added a bit of tactical nous which the players can understand, something that use to get lost in translation in the past.
The Irish Times isn't a paper I buy, but anytime I stumble across Darragh's column its always an enjoyable read. Hope he's wrong with the prediction though!
What is it about 2013 and mind games?
I see Malachy O'Rourke is at it too. He quoted Mark Donnelly who before the Ulster final happened to say that the Munster final would be the only competitive final. Then he claims that Tyrone people "would feel that they're a step above Monaghan". Then he maintains he wasn't aware of how long it has been since Cranney cheated Tyrone out of an Ulster title.
Hopefully Mickey hits back on Friday about Clones being a home pitch for them hoors.
Quote from: ONeill on July 31, 2013, 02:59:19 PM
Then he claims that Tyrone people "would feel that they're a step above Monaghan.
He'd be right enough there.
I read that article earlier today and felt that Monaghan were a durty shower of so and so's and that he never liked playing them as they always had nothing to lose and could take you out of it very handy. He was probably glad to see Donegal getting some of their own medicine.
Playing in Croke park is more than likely play some part in Monaghan's mindset. By the sounds of it there is gonna be a very large crowd although a lot of the Dubs won't be in til late as usual.
I would expect they won't play as well as they did in the Ulster final but the question is will they even have to?
You would imagine Sean Cav won't get as much space this time and could even be man marked the whole game.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 31, 2013, 05:41:42 PM
I read that article earlier today and felt that Monaghan were a durty shower of so and so's and that he never liked playing them as they always had nothing to lose and could take you out of it very handy. He was probably glad to see Donegal getting some of their own medicine.
Playing in Croke park is more than likely play some part in Monaghan's mindset. By the sounds of it there is gonna be a very large crowd although a lot of the Dubs won't be in til late as usual.
I would expect they won't play as well as they did in the Ulster final but the question is will they even have to?
You would imagine Sean Cav won't get as much space this time and could even be man marked the whole game.
Agreed.....someone else will have to step up to the plate. I would love to see Mark Donnelly drive forward more and get the scores he was getting during the national league. Is he playing a different role or is it just a matter of being watched more tightly? He certainly isn't the scoring threat he was.
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Monaghan vs Tyrone now up
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7495
Thanks
Emmet
Monaghan team:
Uimhir Name Ainm Cumann
1 Rory Beggan Ruairí Ó Beagáin An Bhoth
2 Kieran Duffy Ciarán Ó Dufaigh Leachtain
3 Drew Wylie Driú Wylie Béal Átha Beithe
4 Colin Walshe Coilín Breathnach Dubhthamlacht
5 Vincent Corey Uinsinn Ó Comhraí Cluain Tiobraid
6 Neil Mc Adam Neil Mac Adaim Cláirsigh Mhuineacháin
7 Dessie Mone Deasúin Ó Mocháin Cluain Tiobraid
8 Owen Lennon (Capt) Eoin Ó Lionnáin Leachtain
9 Darren Hughes Darren Ó hAodha An Bhoth
10 Paul Finlay Pól Ó Fionnalaigh Béal Átha Beithe
11 Stephen Gollogly Stiofáin Mac an Ghallóghlaigh Carraig Mhachaire Rois
12 Dermot Malone Diarmuid Ó Maoleoin Fag An Bealach
13 Padraig Donaghy Pádraig Mac Donnachaidh Domhnach Maighne
14 Kieran Hughes Ciarán Ó hAodha An Bhoth
15 Conor Mc Manus Conchúir Mac Maghnúis Cluain Tiobraid
So Emmet tips Tyrone but only just.
How many have ye got wrong this year Emmet?
What county are ye from anyway?
I agree with ya that it could be a low scoring game and if Monaghan foul Stevie as much as other teams have then that could be the winning or losing of this game.
The days of scoring loads from open play have gone I fear.
I'd say there will be a huge different in styles from the 1st game to the second game and no doubt TSG & others will be enjoying highlighting this.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 01, 2013, 10:23:09 AM
So Emmet tips Tyrone but only just.
How many have ye got wrong this year Emmet?
What county are ye from anyway?
I agree with ya that it could be a low scoring game and if Monaghan foul Stevie as much as other teams have then that could be the winning or losing of this game.
The days of scoring loads from open play have gone I fear.
I'd say there will be a huge different in styles from the 1st game to the second game and no doubt TSG & others will be enjoying highlighting this.
He is from Baile Atha Cliath, good at the analysis.
Hope his forecast is right.
Be great to see Monaghan make the semis.
Quote from: Schkite on August 01, 2013, 09:51:45 AM
Monaghan team:
Uimhir Name Ainm Cumann
1 Rory Beggan Ruairí Ó Beagáin An Bhoth
2 Kieran Duffy Ciarán Ó Dufaigh Leachtain
3 Drew Wylie Driú Wylie Béal Átha Beithe
4 Colin Walshe Coilín Breathnach Dubhthamlacht
5 Vincent Corey Uinsinn Ó Comhraí Cluain Tiobraid
6 Neil Mc Adam Neil Mac Adaim Cláirsigh Mhuineacháin
7 Dessie Mone Deasúin Ó Mocháin Cluain Tiobraid
8 Owen Lennon (Capt) Eoin Ó Lionnáin Leachtain
9 Darren Hughes Darren Ó hAodha An Bhoth
10 Paul Finlay Pól Ó Fionnalaigh Béal Átha Beithe
11 Stephen Gollogly Stiofáin Mac an Ghallóghlaigh Carraig Mhachaire Rois
12 Dermot Malone Diarmuid Ó Maoleoin Fag An Bealach
13 Padraig Donaghy Pádraig Mac Donnachaidh Domhnach Maighne
14 Kieran Hughes Ciarán Ó hAodha An Bhoth
15 Conor Mc Manus Conchúir Mac Maghnúis Cluain Tiobraid
I'm afraid that we need 3 Ballybay men on the pitch to ensure victory.
Quote from: Main Street on August 01, 2013, 12:11:18 PM
Quote from: Schkite on August 01, 2013, 09:51:45 AM
Monaghan team:
Uimhir Name Ainm Cumann
1 Rory Beggan Ruairí Ó Beagáin An Bhoth
2 Kieran Duffy Ciarán Ó Dufaigh Leachtain
3 Drew Wylie Driú Wylie Béal Átha Beithe
4 Colin Walshe Coilín Breathnach Dubhthamlacht
5 Vincent Corey Uinsinn Ó Comhraí Cluain Tiobraid
6 Neil Mc Adam Neil Mac Adaim Cláirsigh Mhuineacháin
7 Dessie Mone Deasúin Ó Mocháin Cluain Tiobraid
8 Owen Lennon (Capt) Eoin Ó Lionnáin Leachtain
9 Darren Hughes Darren Ó hAodha An Bhoth
10 Paul Finlay Pól Ó Fionnalaigh Béal Átha Beithe
11 Stephen Gollogly Stiofáin Mac an Ghallóghlaigh Carraig Mhachaire Rois
12 Dermot Malone Diarmuid Ó Maoleoin Fag An Bealach
13 Padraig Donaghy Pádraig Mac Donnachaidh Domhnach Maighne
14 Kieran Hughes Ciarán Ó hAodha An Bhoth
15 Conor Mc Manus Conchúir Mac Maghnúis Cluain Tiobraid
I'm afraid that we need 3 Ballybay men on the pitch to ensure victory.
Well there'll be 3 on by the end of the game!
Quote from: ONeill on July 31, 2013, 02:59:19 PM
What is it about 2013 and mind games?
I see Malachy O'Rourke is at it too. He quoted Mark Donnelly who before the Ulster final happened to say that the Munster final would be the only competitive final. Then he claims that Tyrone people "would feel that they're a step above Monaghan". Then he maintains he wasn't aware of how long it has been since Cranney cheated Tyrone out of an Ulster title.
Hopefully Mickey hits back on Friday about Clones being a home pitch for them hoors.
Thank God though we haven't been accused of COLLUSION yet!
Quote from: popinpopout on July 31, 2013, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 31, 2013, 05:41:42 PM
I read that article earlier today and felt that Monaghan were a durty shower of so and so's and that he never liked playing them as they always had nothing to lose and could take you out of it very handy. He was probably glad to see Donegal getting some of their own medicine.
Playing in Croke park is more than likely play some part in Monaghan's mindset. By the sounds of it there is gonna be a very large crowd although a lot of the Dubs won't be in til late as usual.
I would expect they won't play as well as they did in the Ulster final but the question is will they even have to?
You would imagine Sean Cav won't get as much space this time and could even be man marked the whole game.
Agreed.....someone else will have to step up to the plate. I would love to see Mark Donnelly drive forward more and get the scores he was getting during the national league. Is he playing a different role or is it just a matter of being watched more tightly? He certainly isn't the scoring threat he was.
I said a few weeks ago that Donnelly has never really counted in Championship. Different doing it in the league which he undoubtedly did, but over the past few years he has never really had a big performance in the championship.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 01, 2013, 01:15:22 PM
Quote from: popinpopout on July 31, 2013, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 31, 2013, 05:41:42 PM
I read that article earlier today and felt that Monaghan were a durty shower of so and so's and that he never liked playing them as they always had nothing to lose and could take you out of it very handy. He was probably glad to see Donegal getting some of their own medicine.
Playing in Croke park is more than likely play some part in Monaghan's mindset. By the sounds of it there is gonna be a very large crowd although a lot of the Dubs won't be in til late as usual.
I would expect they won't play as well as they did in the Ulster final but the question is will they even have to?
You would imagine Sean Cav won't get as much space this time and could even be man marked the whole game.
Agreed.....someone else will have to step up to the plate. I would love to see Mark Donnelly drive forward more and get the scores he was getting during the national league. Is he playing a different role or is it just a matter of being watched more tightly? He certainly isn't the scoring threat he was.
I said a few weeks ago that Donnelly has never really counted in Championship. Different doing it in the league which he undoubtedly did, but over the past few years he has never really had a big performance in the championship.
I'd never been a big fan of Mark Donnelly but his game had definitely improved this year. My main concern is similar to yours, nrico, when it comes to the crunch in the championship his running game gets swallowed up by the better teams. He needs to be able to vary his game a bit to be top notch and I think he has the ability to do this.
He tends to run at defenders which is fine one or one or even two on one a lot of the times. That works better in leagues with less blanket defenses / systems. Good systems will swallow that up though which I think has tended to happen him.
Mark Donnelly, Peter Harte & Marty Penrose, in particular, are going to have absolute stormers on Saturday, back in that groove like greased lightning. Guaranteed! :D
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 01, 2013, 01:25:01 PM
Mark Donnelly, Peter Harte & Marty Penrose, in particular, are going to have absolute stormers on Saturday, back in that groove like greased lightning. Guaranteed! :D
;D
I'll have a pint of the same, FoSB.
Will Darren Queues pick up Cavanagh?
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=197921
The Monaghan boys are confident anyway! Bit early to be talking about All Ireland songs!
Yes the Monaghan fans and players seem quite confident and why wouldn't they be having defeated the AI champs by quite a few scores. They showed the last day they can be disciplined and play to a defensive system.
I think its crucial we don't let them get off to a good start nor do we go asleep during the start of the second half like we have been doing.
I wonder what curved ball Mickey will throw tonight? Bring young McAliskey back in.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 01, 2013, 02:43:42 PM
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=197921
The Monaghan boys are confident anyway! Bit early to be talking about All Ireland songs!
Great to read stuff like that! If Monaghan do beat us on Sat I will fully support them!
A Big Tom celebration song is on its way on Sunday morning,
'This Time We Hurt Them More Than They Ever Hurt Us'.
Careful there Main Street
Jim or Rory will say that was pre-mediated.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 01, 2013, 10:23:09 AM
So Emmet tips Tyrone but only just.
How many have ye got wrong this year Emmet?
What county are ye from anyway?
I agree with ya that it could be a low scoring game and if Monaghan foul Stevie as much as other teams have then that could be the winning or losing of this game.
The days of scoring loads from open play have gone I fear.
I'd say there will be a huge different in styles from the 1st game to the second game and no doubt TSG & others will be enjoying highlighting this.
Two so far in championship one more than last year. I'm from Dublin and was told repeatedly that I was mad to pick Mayo over them last summer.
Quote from: Main Street on August 01, 2013, 01:37:18 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 01, 2013, 01:25:01 PM
Mark Donnelly, Peter Harte & Marty Penrose, in particular, are going to have absolute stormers on Saturday, back in that groove like greased lightning. Guaranteed! :D
;D
I'll have a pint of the same, FoSB.
Sure, knock yourself out...
(http://earthnews.pinaymom.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/glass-of-water.jpg)
;)
Looking forward to the game, think it will be tight and Monaghan to win by 2 8)
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 01, 2013, 01:22:16 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 01, 2013, 01:15:22 PM
Quote from: popinpopout on July 31, 2013, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 31, 2013, 05:41:42 PM
I read that article earlier today and felt that Monaghan were a durty shower of so and so's and that he never liked playing them as they always had nothing to lose and could take you out of it very handy. He was probably glad to see Donegal getting some of their own medicine.
Playing in Croke park is more than likely play some part in Monaghan's mindset. By the sounds of it there is gonna be a very large crowd although a lot of the Dubs won't be in til late as usual.
I would expect they won't play as well as they did in the Ulster final but the question is will they even have to?
You would imagine Sean Cav won't get as much space this time and could even be man marked the whole game.
Agreed.....someone else will have to step up to the plate. I would love to see Mark Donnelly drive forward more and get the scores he was getting during the national league. Is he playing a different role or is it just a matter of being watched more tightly? He certainly isn't the scoring threat he was.
I said a few weeks ago that Donnelly has never really counted in Championship. Different doing it in the league which he undoubtedly did, but over the past few years he has never really had a big performance in the championship.
I'd never been a big fan of Mark Donnelly but his game had definitely improved this year. My main concern is similar to yours, nrico, when it comes to the crunch in the championship his running game gets swallowed up by the better teams. He needs to be able to vary his game a bit to be top notch and I think he has the ability to do this.
In all fairness, he did stand up against Kildare when the game was slipping away from Tyrone...
Quote from: Whishtup on August 01, 2013, 08:07:14 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 01, 2013, 01:22:16 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 01, 2013, 01:15:22 PM
Quote from: popinpopout on July 31, 2013, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 31, 2013, 05:41:42 PM
I read that article earlier today and felt that Monaghan were a durty shower of so and so's and that he never liked playing them as they always had nothing to lose and could take you out of it very handy. He was probably glad to see Donegal getting some of their own medicine.
Playing in Croke park is more than likely play some part in Monaghan's mindset. By the sounds of it there is gonna be a very large crowd although a lot of the Dubs won't be in til late as usual.
I would expect they won't play as well as they did in the Ulster final but the question is will they even have to?
You would imagine Sean Cav won't get as much space this time and could even be man marked the whole game.
Agreed.....someone else will have to step up to the plate. I would love to see Mark Donnelly drive forward more and get the scores he was getting during the national league. Is he playing a different role or is it just a matter of being watched more tightly? He certainly isn't the scoring threat he was.
I said a few weeks ago that Donnelly has never really counted in Championship. Different doing it in the league which he undoubtedly did, but over the past few years he has never really had a big performance in the
I'd never been a big fan of Mark Donnelly but his game had definitely improved this year. My main concern is similar to yours, nrico, when it comes to the crunch in the championship his running game gets swallowed up by the better teams. He needs to be able to vary his game a bit to be top notch and I think he has the ability to do this.
In all fairness, he did stand up against Kildare when the game was slipping away from Tyrone...
I said at ht in the Kildare game that he had yet to do it for Tyrone in the cship. But would agree he really stood up in the second half. Need a big game from him this Saturday.
Tyrone SF Team v Monaghan AI Quarter Final
1 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
2 Dermot Carlin Coill an Chlochair
3 Conor Clarke An Omaigh
4 Cathal McCarron An Droim Mór
5 Ciaran McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
7 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
8 Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
9 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
10 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
11 Mark Donnelly An Charraig Mhór
12 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
13 Darren McCurry Éadan na dTorc
14 Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
15 Martin Penrose An Charraig Mhór
16 Michael O'Neill Cluain Eo
17 Aidan Cassidy Eochar
18 Kyle Coney Ard Bó
19 Kevin Gallagher An Baile Nua
20 Conan Grugan An Omaigh
21 Plunkett Kane Oileán a'Ghuail
22 Johnathan Lafferty Urnaí
23 Connor McAliskey Cluain Eo
24 Danny McBride An Srath Ban
25 Tiarnan McCann Coill an Chlochair
26 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
Some of those subs never get a run out.
Much as expected. We certainly don't have a rotating squad like some other counties. Some of these older boys are bound to get knackered towards the end of the game on Sat. One last push and they'll get a break.
Is Ronan O'Neill injured again? And what about McNabb?
McNabb was on bench last week, would be a big player if fit.
Remember he already has a good bit of championship experience as he played last year.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 01, 2013, 09:48:27 PM
Some of those subs never get a run out.
I would expect McAlisky to get a run this week.
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 01, 2013, 10:00:53 PM
Is Ronan O'Neill injured again? And what about McNabb?
McNabb was on bench last week, would be a big player if fit.
Remember he already has a good bit of championship experience as he played last year.
People still not caught on the aphabetical order 26 thing!
Monaghan 2/1 with PP.
I work with guys hyper on Galway Races this week and this bet is their
get-out, saviour etc
No Justin McMahon?
Fairly predictable team
I agree EC.... ALPHABETICAL ORDER!! It's not that hard to understand
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 01, 2013, 10:46:14 PM
Monaghan 2/1 with PP.
I work with guys hyper on Galway Races this week and this bet is their
get-out, saviour etc
That is a great bet without doubt. Monaghan are definitely over priced.
Recent history suggests a Tyrone victory. In fact if you told me over the spring we'd play Monaghan in the 1/4s, id have been fairly certain of a Tyrone victory.
However when you look at performances to date, and invisage how this game is going to play out tactically, I think the odds are actually stacked in Monaghans favour. They have had the perfect preparation for this game in beating Donegal at an intensity not seen anywhere else in the country in 2013. The pace & intensity was certainly a clear step above what Tyrone have played at to date. Add in the fact that Tyrone have never beaten a side in Championship match who are so entrenched defensively.
Wylie Walsh & Corey will be confident of nullifying the threat of SON & McCurry. No doubt there will be a plan to stop Sean Cavanagh, so its hard to see where the scores will come from, from a Tyrone perspective. At the other end of the field Monaghan are now very efficient from frees, 45s etc. They have plenty of scoring threats with the Hughes bros, Finlay, McManus & co. The manor of the goals Tyrone conceded last weekend will give them added encouragement.
Plus for the first time in recent memory, they have quality and options on the bench, i.e Tommy Freeman, Dick Clerkin et al.
Tyrone are well up against it.
Monaghan by 5.
God14, I see what you're at and you can quit your nonsense!
You're trying to re-create the lead-up to the 2010 Ulster Final where Monaghan were built up on the back of a couple of decent performances (albeit against very mediocre Armagh and Fermanagh teams in hindsight) and installed as favourites, Tyrone stayed quiet and out of the limelight, and then Tyrone proceeded to beat us out the gate in the final.
Well once bitten twice shy my friend.
Monaghan has a chance. We are in a different position than in recent years in that we finally have some silverware of note in the cupboard, and this may help dispel any perceived inferiority complex we may have had in the past when playing Tyrone.
However, to look past Tyrone is ridiculous. Tyrone has consistently operated at a higher level than us in my lifetime. And while they may not have hit the heights so far this year they are still there and now that we are at the business end of the championship we could see Tyrone flourish. Croke Park is their stage, their second home. The latter stage of the championship is their minimum expectation. They will waltz into Croke Park with a swagger and an assured confidence that they have been here and done it before. Plus they have always beaten Monaghan and consider it a right. All these little psychological things add up.
Contrast this with Monaghan where the combination of an Ulster final celebration comedown, a feeling that the hunger has been satisfied with an Ulster final win, the novelty of Croke Park, the achievement of reaching a second ever quarter final, and our "Tyrone-factor" inferiority complex means that a re-production of our Ulster Final performance is unlikely; and it will take a performance like that and more to get over Tyrone.
No God14, you can play the underdog card all you like but you know and I know that you think Tyrone will walk all over us again. You don't fool me.
Tyrone to win pulling up. ;) ;D
Quote from: charlie linkbox on August 02, 2013, 11:11:45 AM
God14, I see what you're at and you can quit your nonsense!
You're trying to re-create the lead-up to the 2010 Ulster Final where Monaghan were built up on the back of a couple of decent performances (albeit against very mediocre Armagh and Fermanagh teams in hindsight) and installed as favourites, Tyrone stayed quiet and out of the limelight, and then Tyrone proceeded to beat us out the gate in the final.
Monaghan were never installed as favourites for that game. Tyrone were stronger favourites for that game in 2010 than this one. The Tyrone underdog tag is about as real as the pain felt by a Tyrone player, clutching his face on the ground.
Are there any pundits going for Tyrone in this game? Every preview I have ready has Monaghan as favourites.
Quote from: phpearse on August 02, 2013, 11:24:43 AM
Are there any pundits going for Tyrone in this game? Every preview I have ready has Monaghan as favourites.
mcconville & david brady both tipped tyrone.
should be a great days football at HQ tommorrow
Quote from: Main Street on August 02, 2013, 11:21:21 AM
Quote from: charlie linkbox on August 02, 2013, 11:11:45 AM
God14, I see what you're at and you can quit your nonsense!
You're trying to re-create the lead-up to the 2010 Ulster Final where Monaghan were built up on the back of a couple of decent performances (albeit against very mediocre Armagh and Fermanagh teams in hindsight) and installed as favourites, Tyrone stayed quiet and out of the limelight, and then Tyrone proceeded to beat us out the gate in the final.
Monaghan were never installed as favourites for that game. Tyrone were stronger favourites for that game in 2010 than this one. The Tyrone underdog tag is about as real as the pain felt by a Tyrone player, clutching his face on the ground.
All the talk in 2010 was about Monaghan, they were favourites in most peoples eyes and it seems that this is the same feeling for the game tomorrow. Tyrone shouldn't even bother turning up.
We've debated the potential of our new crop for a long time. Tomorrow will give us a better answer than any 100 page thread on the GAABOARD. We know we have guys that can score spectacular points, we know we have guys that can work well within our defensive system...but...do we have a team that has the balls for a battle? That is what we will face tomorrow. We will be hit hard, fast and frequent as soon as the ball is thrown in.
The first quarter is key. If we can finish it 2-3 points up we will completely change the dynamic from Monaghan's perspective. Everything in the Donegal game went their way and if we can get them chasing us we will force them to come out and attack us, giving SoN and co more space inside.
Hoping for huge games from the two Donnellys and P Harte. We need them going at full tilt, not only breaking tackles but giving quality foot passes into SoN. Petey put in a beauty of a pass straight into Stevey's chest, one swivel and it was over the bar. Extremely hard to defend against and something we appear very reluctant to do.
Our forwards will be black and blue for the next week, I want to see McManus et al with red hands being surgically extracted in Drogheda hospital on Sunday morning. Our defense have been too stand offish, more aggression needed.
One win and we are back in the big time. You can stick your Drumlins up yer hole. Come on Tyrone! ;)
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 02, 2013, 12:11:57 PM
We've debated the potential of our new crop for a long time. Tomorrow will give us a better answer than any 100 page thread on the GAABOARD. We know we have guys that can score spectacular points, we know we have guys that can work well within our defensive system...but...do we have a team that has the balls for a battle? That is what we will face tomorrow. We will be hit hard, fast and frequent as soon as the ball is thrown in.
The first quarter is key. If we can finish it 2-3 points up we will completely change the dynamic from Monaghan's perspective. Everything in the Donegal game went their way and if we can get them chasing us we will force them to come out and attack us, giving SoN and co more space inside.
Hoping for huge games from the two Donnellys and P Harte. We need them going at full tilt, not only breaking tackles but giving quality foot passes into SoN. Petey put in a beauty of a pass straight into Stevey's chest, one swivel and it was over the bar. Extremely hard to defend against and something we appear very reluctant to do.
Our forwards will be black and blue for the next week, I want to see McManus et al with red hands being surgically extracted in Drogheda hospital on Sunday morning. Our defense have been too stand offish, more aggression needed.
One win and we are back in the big time. You can stick your Drumlins up yer hole. Come on Tyrone! ;)
Now there's a lovely image.
I see it was 2007 when Monaghan were last in the quarterfinals where the only lost to Kerry by a point. They'll obviously be hoping to go one better this time and won't fear Donegal should they win.
Have they ever made it to an AI final?
Definitely winning Ulster gives ye that wee pep in your step and the belief that no doubt there is a confidence around the Monaghan setup. Of course that can be lost very quickly in the heat of a championship game but I am not sure Tyrone can turn that on like they did back in 2008 v the Dubs.
I'd like to see young McCurry kick on again and start taking on his man as he's got pace to burn. Too often he turns back to look for support rather than having a pop himself. Saying that he does look lively and up for it and would like to see him feeding off Stevie much more, like running onto a Stevie pass just in front of him more like Meath did last week a lot.
By the way, was Darren Hughes in goals the last time we met Monaghan?
Quote from: Rodman on August 01, 2013, 09:06:36 PM
Tyrone SF Team v Monaghan AI Quarter Final
1 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
2 Dermot Carlin Coill an Chlochair
3 Conor Clarke An Omaigh
4 Cathal McCarron An Droim Mór
5 Ciaran McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
7 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
8 Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
9 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
10 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
11 Mark Donnelly An Charraig Mhór
12 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
13 Darren McCurry Éadan na dTorc
14 Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
15 Martin Penrose An Charraig Mhór
16 Michael O'Neill Cluain Eo
17 Aidan Cassidy Eochar
18 Kyle Coney Ard Bó
19 Kevin Gallagher An Baile Nua
20 Conan Grugan An Omaigh
21 Plunkett Kane Oileán a'Ghuail
22 Johnathan Lafferty Urnaí
23 Connor McAliskey Cluain Eo
24 Danny McBride An Srath Ban
25 Tiarnan McCann Coill an Chlochair
26 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
Can any of you Tyrone posters tell me whats new about this team, all year we have been fed a line that Harte was going for a new team based on the failure of Tyrone the past three years, explaining the new influx of players in the Mc kenna Cup and national League. The only player that I would regard as new is Mc Curry, the rest were all involved in the beating you took in Kerry last year. Curious for your perspective
Nope you're wrong Shawshank
McCurry played v Kerry last year as SoN was injured
Ciaran McGinley is new!
Quote from: Jinxy on August 02, 2013, 12:17:51 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 02, 2013, 12:11:57 PM
We've debated the potential of our new crop for a long time. Tomorrow will give us a better answer than any 100 page thread on the GAABOARD. We know we have guys that can score spectacular points, we know we have guys that can work well within our defensive system...but...do we have a team that has the balls for a battle? That is what we will face tomorrow. We will be hit hard, fast and frequent as soon as the ball is thrown in.
The first quarter is key. If we can finish it 2-3 points up we will completely change the dynamic from Monaghan's perspective. Everything in the Donegal game went their way and if we can get them chasing us we will force them to come out and attack us, giving SoN and co more space inside.
Hoping for huge games from the two Donnellys and P Harte. We need them going at full tilt, not only breaking tackles
but giving quality foot passes into SoN. Petey put in a beauty of a pass straight into Stevey's chest, one swivel and it was over the bar. Extremely hard to defend against and something we appear very reluctant to do.
Our forwards will be black and blue for the next week, I want to see McManus et al with red hands being surgically extracted in Drogheda hospital on Sunday morning. Our defense have been too stand offish, more aggression
needed.
One win and we are back in the big time. You can stick your Drumlins up yer hole. Come on Tyrone! ;)
Now there's a lovely image.
(http://isucceedbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Man-screaming-in-bed-surr-007-300x180.jpg)
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 02, 2013, 12:30:09 PM
Nope you're wrong Shawshank
McCurry played v Kerry last year as SoN was injured
I realise Mc Curry played, but he is knew and so is Mc Ginley, who I have to say I don't rate at all. He marked Reilly well last weekend without contributing to the game and you need your whb offering some creativity in todays game especially
Nothing has really changed apart from perhaps physicality and fitness.
Just like in 08, the qualifier draw has been very kind to Tyrone, allowing them to build momentum and match sharpness by taking on sides on step ahead of the previous one in terms of quality. It has been perfect for Mickey. Last year they met Kerry too early, in their patch.
I still think that even if they beat Monaghan, there are 3 sides we won't handle. Mayo, Dublin and Donegal. One of those will be gone by the semis.
Now, that would be one hell of a challenge. Hopefully we'll find out.
Oddly, I think Monaghan could take Mayo.
Play a 'tagger' on Cavanagh and you are halfway there.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 02, 2013, 12:45:56 PM
Play a 'tagger' on Cavanagh and you are halfway there.
Bit late for you boys ! ;)
They might not be new but I'd say Stevie o'neill and Sean Cavanagh make a bit of a difference to the team that started last year in Kerry! Also a lot of players have only been involved for a couple of years and should be improving all the time.
Not many players make it in their 1st year so I'm glad we don't have too many new players on. A lot of new squad players will hopefully develop a lot over the next few years and gain from the experience of being involved.
Cant believe Mc Ginley starts for Tyrone. Watched young Gareth Mc Kinless batter him in the Ballinderry/Errigal game earlier in the year. He didnt want to know!!
Quote from: orangeman on August 02, 2013, 12:47:53 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 02, 2013, 12:45:56 PM
Play a 'tagger' on Cavanagh and you are halfway there.
Bit late for you boys ! ;)
It's all part of the learning curve. ;)
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 02, 2013, 12:55:22 PM
Cant believe Mc Ginley starts for Tyrone. Watched young Gareth Mc Kinless batter him in the Ballinderry/Errigal game earlier in the year. He didnt want to know!!
Luckily we're not playing Ballinderry!
Quote from: ONeill on August 02, 2013, 12:58:36 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 02, 2013, 12:55:22 PM
Cant believe Mc Ginley starts for Tyrone. Watched young Gareth Mc Kinless batter him in the Ballinderry/Errigal game earlier in the year. He didnt want to know!!
Luckily we're not playing Ballinderry!
Same result as that day will do well for Ciaran ;D
Quote from: God14 on August 02, 2013, 01:12:01 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 02, 2013, 12:58:36 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 02, 2013, 12:55:22 PM
Cant believe Mc Ginley starts for Tyrone. Watched young Gareth Mc Kinless batter him in the Ballinderry/Errigal game earlier in the year. He didnt want to know!!
Luckily we're not playing Ballinderry!
Same result as that day will do well for Ciaran ;D
It wont the following day :)
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 02, 2013, 12:20:03 PM
Have they ever made it to an AI final?
Yep. Once.
Kerry robbed us in 1930. 3-11 to 0-2.
Monaghan 1985 - one of my favourite memories from the 80s - http://youtu.be/xFIPOSKXEDs
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 02, 2013, 12:55:22 PM
Cant believe Mc Ginley starts for Tyrone. Watched young Gareth Mc Kinless batter him in the Ballinderry/Errigal game earlier in the year. He didnt want to know!!
He showed discipline, played his game and won. Young McKinless went home a looser. Ciaran is going well for Tyrone and is getting better with every game. The big occasion will suit him well.
Quote from: ONeill on August 02, 2013, 02:13:00 PM
Monaghan 1985 - one of my favourite memories from the 80s - http://youtu.be/xFIPOSKXEDs
That's some kick in fairness - reminds me of Conway's kick in the 1989 final to send game to a replay
My favourite Tyrone - Monaghan memory of the 80s is Audie Hamilton shouldering Gene Sherry. Once in Clones and again in Croke Park - it's a pity there is no video evidence of either of them.
Well may the best team win and I hope there's no aul messing or sendings off.
I trust we'll be in red and they'll be in blue or will ye try it on again with that one?
Hope Brolly isn't too shocked by the cynicism again.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 02, 2013, 12:03:31 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 02, 2013, 11:21:21 AM
Quote from: charlie linkbox on August 02, 2013, 11:11:45 AM
God14, I see what you're at and you can quit your nonsense!
You're trying to re-create the lead-up to the 2010 Ulster Final where Monaghan were built up on the back of a couple of decent performances (albeit against very mediocre Armagh and Fermanagh teams in hindsight) and installed as favourites, Tyrone stayed quiet and out of the limelight, and then Tyrone proceeded to beat us out the gate in the final.
Monaghan were never installed as favourites for that game. Tyrone were stronger favourites for that game in 2010 than this one. The Tyrone underdog tag is about as real as the pain felt by a Tyrone player, clutching his face on the ground.
All the talk in 2010 was about Monaghan, they were favourites in most peoples eyes and it seems that this is the same feeling for the game tomorrow. Tyrone shouldn't even bother turning up.
Sounds like typical paranoid Tyrone tosh, favourites are reflected if not defined by betting odds.
"All the talk"?? , how about it was what you interpreted as being said?
Tyrone were virtually unbackable or the odds were not worth the risk.
I wouldn't confuse a neutral's hope (tipping the plucky outsider) with being favourites to win.
Quote from: Main Street on August 02, 2013, 07:06:43 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 02, 2013, 12:03:31 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 02, 2013, 11:21:21 AM
Quote from: charlie linkbox on August 02, 2013, 11:11:45 AM
God14, I see what you're at and you can quit your nonsense!
You're trying to re-create the lead-up to the 2010 Ulster Final where Monaghan were built up on the back of a couple of decent performances (albeit against very mediocre Armagh and Fermanagh teams in hindsight) and installed as favourites, Tyrone stayed quiet and out of the limelight, and then Tyrone proceeded to beat us out the gate in the final.
Monaghan were never installed as favourites for that game. Tyrone were stronger favourites for that game in 2010 than this one. The Tyrone underdog tag is about as real as the pain felt by a Tyrone player, clutching his face on the ground.
All the talk in 2010 was about Monaghan, they were favourites in most peoples eyes and it seems that this is the same feeling for the game tomorrow. Tyrone shouldn't even bother turning up.
Sounds like typical paranoid Tyrone tosh, favourites are reflected if not defined by betting odds.
"All the talk"?? , how about it was what you interpreted as being said?
Tyrone were virtually unbackable or the odds were not worth the risk.
I wouldn't confuse a neutral's hope (tipping the plucky outsider) with being favourites to win.
Yep, you don't get 2/1 on a favourite in a 2-horse race.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 02, 2013, 05:43:33 PM
Well may the best team win and I hope there's no aul messing or sendings off.
I trust we'll be in red and they'll be in blue or will ye try it on again with that one?
Hope Brolly isn't too shocked by the cynicism again.
Like yourself Fuzzman I hope there'll be no messin' or sendings off, but I won't hold my breath.
Wearing red, white, blue - as if that matters. That stuff was what passed for trying to get the upper hand under previous management.
The ref will need to put down a marker early on with the tactical fouling, an area where Tyrone are better than us. We've tended to react in the past, get men sent off, a la the Omagh game in the rain, where the Tyrone foul count far exceeded ours yet they finish the game with 15.
The cynicism again is to be expected. That's why they're introducing the black card.
Black card won't make a blind bit of difference. If i was struggling with an injury I'd just rugby tackle some man cynically to get subbed. The extra sub is crucial. It'll just notch the craftiness up a level.
Quote from: God14 on August 02, 2013, 08:02:12 PM
Black card won't make a blind bit of difference. If i was struggling with an injury I'd just rugby tackle some man cynically to get subbed. The extra sub is crucial. It'll just notch the craftiness up a level.
It won't make a difference in the last 10-15 minutes - it will for the rest of the game.
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 02, 2013, 07:14:39 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 02, 2013, 07:06:43 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 02, 2013, 12:03:31 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 02, 2013, 11:21:21 AM
Quote from: charlie linkbox on August 02, 2013, 11:11:45 AM
God14, I see what you're at and you can quit your nonsense!
You're trying to re-create the lead-up to the 2010 Ulster Final where Monaghan were built up on the back of a couple of decent performances (albeit against very mediocre Armagh and Fermanagh teams in hindsight) and installed as favourites, Tyrone stayed quiet and out of the limelight, and then Tyrone proceeded to beat us out the gate in the final.
Monaghan were never installed as favourites for that game. Tyrone were stronger favourites for that game in 2010 than this one. The Tyrone underdog tag is about as real as the pain felt by a Tyrone player, clutching his face on the ground.
All the talk in 2010 was about Monaghan, they were favourites in most peoples eyes and it seems that this is the same feeling for the game tomorrow. Tyrone shouldn't even bother turning up.
Sounds like typical paranoid Tyrone tosh, favourites are reflected if not defined by betting odds.
"All the talk"?? , how about it was what you interpreted as being said?
Tyrone were virtually unbackable or the odds were not worth the risk.
I wouldn't confuse a neutral's hope (tipping the plucky outsider) with being favourites to win.
Yep, you don't get 2/1 on a favourite in a 2-horse race.
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Monaghan will be similar odds for the semi, Mayo or Donegal regardless.
Quote from: hardstation on August 02, 2013, 09:42:02 PM
Looking forward to this game but really expecting a Tyrone win. They are a better team than Monaghan by a distance but shocks can happen. Donegal are a much better team than Monaghan but were well beaten by them in a one off.
Can see it being tight enough scores wise but Tyrone always comfortable.
Insightful pre-match analysis here. If Monaghan win, it's another shock one off. If Tyrone win, again you're right. ::)
Quote from: babarino on August 02, 2013, 07:41:37 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 02, 2013, 05:43:33 PM
Well may the best team win and I hope there's no aul messing or sendings off.
I trust we'll be in red and they'll be in blue or will ye try it on again with that one?
Hope Brolly isn't too shocked by the cynicism again.
Like yourself Fuzzman I hope there'll be no messin' or sendings off, but I won't hold my breath.
Wearing red, white, blue - as if that matters. That stuff was what passed for trying to get the upper hand under previous management.
The ref will need to put down a marker early on with the tactical fouling, an area where Tyrone are better than us. We've tended to react in the past, get men sent off, a la the Omagh game in the rain, where the Tyrone foul count far exceeded ours yet they finish the game with 15.
The cynicism again is to be expected. That's why they're introducing the black card.
The best teams tackle right on the edge-that takes a lot of practice. Tyrone from what I can see have brought their tackling back to just within the limits-that's why all the pundits before the Meath match had been saying how professional and controlled Tyrone were in the tackle this year. A few minutes of desparation at the end of the Meath match, bouyed by some one-sided, defamatory commentating and cheap journalism has created a false perception of the team. It will be a shame if referees are also influenced by this rubbish.
Monaghan brought some ferocious but fair tackling to the Donegal game. I would like to think that both teams can bring their most intense game to the table without fear of the game being slowed by a fussy ref.
In what seems to be the best championship in years, we're still moaning...
Quote from: Whishtup on August 02, 2013, 10:25:28 PM
Quote from: babarino on August 02, 2013, 07:41:37 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 02, 2013, 05:43:33 PM
Well may the best team win and I hope there's no aul messing or sendings off.
I trust we'll be in red and they'll be in blue or will ye try it on again with that one?
Hope Brolly isn't too shocked by the cynicism again.
Like yourself Fuzzman I hope there'll be no messin' or sendings off, but I won't hold my breath.
Wearing red, white, blue - as if that matters. That stuff was what passed for trying to get the upper hand under previous management.
The ref will need to put down a marker early on with the tactical fouling, an area where Tyrone are better than us. We've tended to react in the past, get men sent off, a la the Omagh game in the rain, where the Tyrone foul count far exceeded ours yet they finish the game with 15.
The cynicism again is to be expected. That's why they're introducing the black card.
The best teams tackle right on the edge-that takes a lot of practice. Tyrone from what I can see have brought their tackling back to just within the limits-that's why all the pundits before the Meath match had been saying how professional and controlled Tyrone were in the tackle this year. A few minutes of desparation at the end of the Meath match, bouyed by some one-sided, defamatory commentating and cheap journalism has created a false perception of the team. It will be a shame if referees are also influenced by this rubbish.
Monaghan brought some ferocious but fair tackling to the Donegal game. I would like to think that both teams can bring their most intense game to the table without fear of the game being slowed by a fussy ref.
In what seems to be the best championship in years, we're still moaning...
Apart from the crap in Casement, this has been a good championship. We all want the best team to win, if it's our team, but there comes a point where the rules have to allow the team with the best footballing skills to come out on top, not the one that has even spread of yellows and no reds.
If Tyrone outplay us there'll be no quibble from the Monaghan camp, as after our 2010 Ulster Final encounter. You surely must understand where the wider gaelic football following are coming from when they criticise the antics of Tyrone pulling down Meath players in the last 10 minutes of that game. Yes the most successful do it, but not to that level.
Cmon Tyrone yer on yer own.
Off to never never land for a week and when I come back we should be preparing for a Mayo semi. If not up the Oriel.
Quote from: babarino on August 02, 2013, 10:43:30 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 02, 2013, 10:25:28 PM
Quote from: babarino on August 02, 2013, 07:41:37 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 02, 2013, 05:43:33 PM
Well may the best team win and I hope there's no aul messing or sendings off.
I trust we'll be in red and they'll be in blue or will ye try it on again with that one?
Hope Brolly isn't too shocked by the cynicism again.
Like yourself Fuzzman I hope there'll be no messin' or sendings off, but I won't hold my breath.
Wearing red, white, blue - as if that matters. That stuff was what passed for trying to get the upper hand under previous management.
The ref will need to put down a marker early on with the tactical fouling, an area where Tyrone are better than us. We've tended to react in the past, get men sent off, a la the Omagh game in the rain, where the Tyrone foul count far exceeded ours yet they finish the game with 15.
The cynicism again is to be expected. That's why they're introducing the black card.
The best teams tackle right on the edge-that takes a lot of practice. Tyrone from what I can see have brought their tackling back to just within the limits-that's why all the pundits before the Meath match had been saying how professional and controlled Tyrone were in the tackle this year. A few minutes of desparation at the end of the Meath match, bouyed by some one-sided, defamatory commentating and cheap journalism has created a false perception of the team. It will be a shame if referees are also influenced by this rubbish.
Monaghan brought some ferocious but fair tackling to the Donegal game. I would like to think that both teams can bring their most intense game to the table without fear of the game being slowed by a fussy ref.
In what seems to be the best championship in years, we're still moaning...
Apart from the crap in Casement, this has been a good championship. We all want the best team to win, if it's our team, but there comes a point where the rules have to allow the team with the best footballing skills to come out on top, not the one that has even spread of yellows and no reds.
If Tyrone outplay us there'll be no quibble from the Monaghan camp, as after our 2010 Ulster Final encounter. You surely must understand where the wider gaelic football following are coming from when they criticise the antics of Tyrone pulling down Meath players in the last 10 minutes of that game. Yes the most successful do it, but not to that level.
What level? The level that it was escalated to by Brolly and Canning? Why aren't the wider gaelic football following berating Meath, who were much more cynical over the 70 minutes? Because Brolly decided to have a bit of craic-fill a few columns with his sensationalist bleatings and people are actually running with it.
It's an indictment on any county team working their nads off week in and week out to have their efforts tarnished by lazy reporting and journalism.
Quote from: hardstation on August 02, 2013, 10:50:24 PM
Quote from: babarino on August 02, 2013, 10:23:56 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 02, 2013, 09:42:02 PM
Looking forward to this game but really expecting a Tyrone win. They are a better team than Monaghan by a distance but shocks can happen. Donegal are a much better team than Monaghan but were well beaten by them in a one off.
Can see it being tight enough scores wise but Tyrone always comfortable.
Insightful pre-match analysis here. If Monaghan win, it's another shock one off. If Tyrone win, again you're right. ::)
What so Monaghan are now a better team than the current AI champions despite being Gladys Knight for a long time before that one game? FFS Donegal would bate them handy 99 out of 100 times. Tyrone would too. I know yis are on a high but a small dose of reality wouldn't go a miss.
You're only as good as your last game, as the saying goes, so on that basis we're better than Donegal. I don't understand the Gladys Knight analogy, but she certainly sounds better than Big Tom. "99 out of 100" - we had beaten Donegal far more often than not in recent history before the final, against the same players that took that AI.
Yes we're on a bit of a high after taking the Ulster title in the way we did, but there aren't any seasoned Monaghan supporters going to Dublin tomorrow in any way cocky about the outcome. We haven't got anything like the resources, nor late championship experience, that Tyrone draw from, but those of us that have been following Monaghan through thick and thin see a squad that is capable of big things. And if we're good enough to make it to the next stage, we'll fancy our chances against Mayo or Donegal. But that's for another day...
Quote from: hardstation on August 02, 2013, 10:50:24 PM
Quote from: babarino on August 02, 2013, 10:23:56 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 02, 2013, 09:42:02 PM
Looking forward to this game but really expecting a Tyrone win. They are a better team than Monaghan by a distance but shocks can happen. Donegal are a much better team than Monaghan but were well beaten by them in a one off.
Can see it being tight enough scores wise but Tyrone always comfortable.
Insightful pre-match analysis here. If Monaghan win, it's another shock one off. If Tyrone win, again you're right. ::)
What so Monaghan are now a better team than the current AI champions despite being Gladys Knight for a long time before that one game? FFS Donegal would bate them handy 99 out of 100 times. Tyrone would too. I know yis are on a high but a small dose of reality wouldn't go a miss.
Now I don't think it'd be quite that high. And I think you're overrating Tyrone quite a bit there, they've a few experienced veterans knocking about still and are a danger but I don't think they're anything special, and I haven't seen anything from them so far that would make me think otherwise. The experience that Mickey and the older lads have at this level make them slight favorites but I'm confident we'll take them tomorrow.
I fancy Monaghan for this, maybe by 2-3 points. If they can reach 75-80% of the intensity they showed against Monaghan, it'll be enough to beat Tyrone, big IF though.
Quote from: hardstation on August 02, 2013, 10:50:24 PM
Quote from: babarino on August 02, 2013, 10:23:56 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 02, 2013, 09:42:02 PM
Looking forward to this game but really expecting a Tyrone win. They are a better team than Monaghan by a distance but shocks can happen. Donegal are a much better team than Monaghan but were well beaten by them in a one off.
Can see it being tight enough scores wise but Tyrone always comfortable.
Insightful pre-match analysis here. If Monaghan win, it's another shock one off. If Tyrone win, again you're right. ::)
What so Monaghan are now a better team than the current AI champions despite being Gladys Knight for a long time before that one game? FFS Donegal would bate them handy 99 out of 100 times. Tyrone would too. I know yis are on a high but a small dose of reality wouldn't go a miss. What are you talking about. Monaghan beat Donegal by 13-07. What then makes them a better team. I think you might be a bit miffed because your team gave one of the most pathetic displays in this years championship.
Quote from: Whishtup on August 02, 2013, 11:21:26 PM
Quote from: babarino on August 02, 2013, 10:43:30 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 02, 2013, 10:25:28 PM
Quote from: babarino on August 02, 2013, 07:41:37 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 02, 2013, 05:43:33 PM
Well may the best team win and I hope there's no aul messing or sendings off.
I trust we'll be in red and they'll be in blue or will ye try it on again with that one?
Hope Brolly isn't too shocked by the cynicism again.
Like yourself Fuzzman I hope there'll be no messin' or sendings off, but I won't hold my breath.
Wearing red, white, blue - as if that matters. That stuff was what passed for trying to get the upper hand under previous management.
The ref will need to put down a marker early on with the tactical fouling, an area where Tyrone are better than us. We've tended to react in the past, get men sent off, a la the Omagh game in the rain, where the Tyrone foul count far exceeded ours yet they finish the game with 15.
The cynicism again is to be expected. That's why they're introducing the black card.
The best teams tackle right on the edge-that takes a lot of practice. Tyrone from what I can see have brought their tackling back to just within the limits-that's why all the pundits before the Meath match had been saying how professional and controlled Tyrone were in the tackle this year. A few minutes of desparation at the end of the Meath match, bouyed by some one-sided, defamatory commentating and cheap journalism has created a false perception of the team. It will be a shame if referees are also influenced by this rubbish.
Monaghan brought some ferocious but fair tackling to the Donegal game. I would like to think that both teams can bring their most intense game to the table without fear of the game being slowed by a fussy ref.
In what seems to be the best championship in years, we're still moaning...
Apart from the crap in Casement, this has been a good championship. We all want the best team to win, if it's our team, but there comes a point where the rules have to allow the team with the best footballing skills to come out on top, not the one that has even spread of yellows and no reds.
If Tyrone outplay us there'll be no quibble from the Monaghan camp, as after our 2010 Ulster Final encounter. You surely must understand where the wider gaelic football following are coming from when they criticise the antics of Tyrone pulling down Meath players in the last 10 minutes of that game. Yes the most successful do it, but not to that level.
What level? The level that it was escalated to by Brolly and Canning? Why aren't the wider gaelic football following berating Meath, who were much more cynical over the 70 minutes? Because Brolly decided to have a bit of craic-fill a few columns with his sensationalist bleatings and people are actually running with it.
It's an indictment on any county team working their nads off week in and week out to have their efforts tarnished by lazy reporting and journalism.
It's not in any way unique to Tyrone, but it was exemplified by them in the Meath game. Meath were making a gutsy effort to win the game and they were hauled down repeatedly at the vital stage of the match, while the offenders held the hands up with the 'sorry about that ref' look.
It wasn't 'lazy, sensationalist bleatings', it was stating the obvious. Tactical fouling destroys the game as a spectacle and is far more damaging to player commitment than 'lazy reporting'. And of course if the Monaghan lads out foul the Tyronies tomorrow and win, I'll be happy, but that don't make it right.
Even the Donegal team and supporters said after the ulster final that they were beaten by a better team. What are you basing your opinion on . Is it results last year?
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Quote from: Whishtup on August 02, 2013, 11:21:26 PM
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Quote from: babarino on August 02, 2013, 07:41:37 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 02, 2013, 05:43:33 PM
Well may the best team win and I hope there's no aul messing or sendings off.
I trust we'll be in red and they'll be in blue or will ye try it on again with that one?
Hope Brolly isn't too shocked by the cynicism again.
Like yourself Fuzzman I hope there'll be no messin' or sendings off, but I won't hold my breath.
Wearing red, white, blue - as if that matters. That stuff was what passed for trying to get the upper hand under previous management.
The ref will need to put down a marker early on with the tactical fouling, an area where Tyrone are better than us. We've tended to react in the past, get men sent off, a la the Omagh game in the rain, where the Tyrone foul count far exceeded ours yet they finish the game with 15.
The cynicism again is to be expected. That's why they're introducing the black card.
The best teams tackle right on the edge-that takes a lot of practice. Tyrone from what I can see have brought their tackling back to just within the limits-that's why all the pundits before the Meath match had been saying how professional and controlled Tyrone were in the tackle this year. A few minutes of desparation at the end of the Meath match, bouyed by some one-sided, defamatory commentating and cheap journalism has created a false perception of the team. It will be a shame if referees are also influenced by this rubbish.
Monaghan brought some ferocious but fair tackling to the Donegal game. I would like to think that both teams can bring their most intense game to the table without fear of the game being slowed by a fussy ref.
In what seems to be the best championship in years, we're still moaning...
Apart from the crap in Casement, this has been a good championship. We all want the best team to win, if it's our team, but there comes a point where the rules have to allow the team with the best footballing skills to come out on top, not the one that has even spread of yellows and no reds.
If Tyrone outplay us there'll be no quibble from the Monaghan camp, as after our 2010 Ulster Final encounter. You surely must understand where the wider gaelic football following are coming from when they criticise the antics of Tyrone pulling down Meath players in the last 10 minutes of that game. Yes the most successful do it, but not to that level.
What level? The level that it was escalated to by Brolly and Canning? Why aren't the wider gaelic football following berating Meath, who were much more cynical over the 70 minutes? Because Brolly decided to have a bit of craic-fill a few columns with his sensationalist bleatings and people are actually running with it.
It's an indictment on any county team working their nads off week in and week out to have their efforts tarnished by lazy reporting and journalism.
It's not in any way unique to Tyrone, but it was exemplified by them in the Meath game. Meath were making a gutsy effort to win the game and they were hauled down repeatedly at the vital stage of the match, while the offenders held the hands up with the 'sorry about that ref' look.
It wasn't 'lazy, sensationalist bleatings', it was stating the obvious. Tactical fouling destroys the game as a spectacle and is far more damaging to player commitment than 'lazy reporting'. And of course if the Monaghan lads out foul the Tyronies tomorrow and win, I'll be happy, but that don't make it right.
I feel that a lot of these 'repeated' hauling down's are actually one-the Cavanagh one. Near the end of the game two Meath players tried to haul down McCarron as he ran up the sideline to keep Tyrone from exiting the danger zone-not a word. Brolly done more than state the obvious, he tried to tar the whole team with one brush failing to mention the main assets of Tyrone's play that won them the match. The speed, link play, foot passing and accuracy for some of Tyrone's scores was breathtaking. This was not an overly dirty or cynical game and Tyrone haven't shown this supposed cynicism in the championship until those desperate ten minutes of survival.
If Tyrone were fouling cynically throughout the game like some other teams do, then fair enough but they weren't. One or two cynical tackles at the end of the game (which are commonplace at this level) have been given too much airtime in what was a very entertaining match and had very little effect on the game as a spectacle as it was almost over. As for player commitment-you won't get many that would come through the challenges of this past four weeks like those lads have done.
Sure lads every win we have against a decent team is lucky, ye should know this by now. Here's hoping for Tyrone to play shite and another fluky win tomorrow.
You are talking nonsense Hardstation. What are you basing your opinion on ? Monaghan if they can bring the same level of intensity could they go all the way. It is a big ask for a small county but they have shown that they are capable of beating anybody on the day. You just seem to be still a wee bit bitter.
There is a shallow breed of sports follower out there that jump on the big boys back time and time again. Man U in the Premiership, Brazil in the World Cup finals, Kerry/Kilkenny in the AI... they back them even if they don't have any close connection with them, and claim victory if 'their' team prevails. An underdog achieving something upsets them, and the put it down to a 'one off'
I suspect Hardstation is one such supporter.
Quote from: cluaineois on August 03, 2013, 12:26:47 AM
You are talking nonsense Hardstation. What are you basing your opinion on ? Monaghan if they can bring the same level of intensity could they go all the way. It is a big ask for a small county but they have shown that they are capable of beating anybody on the day. You just seem to be still a wee bit bitter.
I'm a believer in league form, Div 3 teams don't massively get sexy the last15 years
Quote from: hardstation on August 03, 2013, 12:32:00 AM
Quote from: Schkite on August 03, 2013, 12:26:17 AM
Sure lads every win we have against a decent team is lucky, ye should know this by now. Here's hoping for Tyrone to play shite and another fluky win tomorrow.
What do you expect? Yis have only done it once! Add in 2 shite performances against Antrim and Cavan. Monaghan still have a lot to do to prove themselves.
Ah I'm only messing. I'm not saying we should be one of the favourites for the All-Ireland or anything. All I've said is I'm confident we can beat Tyrone tomorrow, nothing more.
I do think you're a bit off the mark saying Tyrone are better "by a distance". Just my opinion though.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 03, 2013, 12:35:07 AM
Quote from: cluaineois on August 03, 2013, 12:26:47 AM
You are talking nonsense Hardstation. What are you basing your opinion on ? Monaghan if they can bring the same level of intensity could they go all the way. It is a big ask for a small county but they have shown that they are capable of beating anybody on the day. You just seem to be still a wee bit bitter.
I'm a believer in league form, Div 3 teams don't massively get sexy the last15 years
We're a Division 2 team, same as Donegal. ;)
Quote from: hardstation on August 03, 2013, 12:32:00 AM
Quote from: Schkite on August 03, 2013, 12:26:17 AM
Sure lads every win we have against a decent team is lucky, ye should know this by now. Here's hoping for Tyrone to play shite and another fluky win tomorrow.
What do you expect? Yis have only done it once! Add in 2 shite performances against Antrim and Cavan. Monaghan still have a lot to do to prove themselves.
But we beat Antrim and Cavan - we did enough to win without being impressive. Pretty much the same as Tyrone has done with Roscommon, Kildare and Meath.
I think it will take a victory in Croke Park against one of the big sides to convince me that Monaghan are realistic contenders. Traditionally Monaghan have produced one off great performances in Ulster.
Although when the draw was made I felt Monaghan could do the business against Tyrone, as the game edges closer I'm not so sure. Tyrones far greater experience of being involved at the latter end of championships could be crucial. Either way we will know more at 7pm.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2013, 10:06:36 AM
I think it will take a victory in Croke Park against one of the big sides to convince me that Monaghan are realistic contenders. Traditionally Monaghan have produced one off great performances in Ulster.
Although when the draw was made I felt Monaghan could do the business against Tyrone, as the game edges closer I'm not so sure. Tyrones far greater experience of being involved at the latter end of championships could be crucial. Either way we will know more at 7pm.
Totally agree. Immediately after the Ulster final I thought Monaghan could go further than the Qfs but I just think Tyrone may have too much experience and they have the nous and cynicism to slow the game down when they need to. Tyrone by 2.
Feeling confident about this today! Tyrone to steam roll them, Kyle Coney to come in, get a wonder goal, dominate the rest of the championship and claim an All Star! Tyrone by 8
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 03, 2013, 12:12:04 PM
Feeling confident about this today! Tyrone to steam roll them, Kyle Coney to come in, get a wonder goal, dominate the rest of the championship and claim an All Star! Tyrone by 8
We still await Kyle's superstar moment.
Time to get on the road for this. Here's hoping we can turn a damn good year into a bloody great one. Good luck to the Monaghan team today!
Pajo the calf is rumoured to be making an appearance at Quinns and then Croker. No way Monaghan wiil lose with that kind of support.
Quote from: babarino on August 03, 2013, 12:33:09 AM
There is a shallow breed of sports follower out there that jump on the big boys back time and time again. Man U in the Premiership, Brazil in the World Cup finals, Kerry/Kilkenny in the AI... they back them even if they don't have any close connection with them, and claim victory if 'their' team prevails. An underdog achieving something upsets them, and the put it down to a 'one off'
I suspect Hardstation is one such supporter.
He's to a fault, a strong Saffron supporter. Antrim had a great year once, Ulster final, beat by the Tyrone lads and we pushed Kerry all the way in the next round. This could be Monaghan's turn to be that Antrim team of a few years ago. What's Monaghan's recent record against Tyrone?
I would agree with hardstation 100%.
Great Monaghan support in Jones's Road and Clonliffe Road. Far outnumbering Tyrone.
QuoteGreat Monaghan support in Jones's Road and Clonliffe Road. Far outnumbering Tyrone.
Not much sign of them in the stadium.
Ref is giving frees handy enough
Monaghan eating up the frees well
Ref is a blowing up if a player looks sideways at someone.
Hopefully the players will cut out the pulling & dragging
Ref is playing this well. They'll have to play football and stop the messing and fouling.
Vintage Cavanagh ... Diving ****!
That yellow for hughes is massive. He could curb cavanagh rightly without it and now won't be able to. Could have a big bearing in the game. Not even a foul.
Yeah, never a foul
Tyrone have scored as much in 26 minutes as Donegal managed in 70 minutes against Monaghan
Quote from: screenexile on August 03, 2013, 05:20:38 PM
Vintage Cavanagh ... Diving ****!
He's playing a blinder, such a player, Derry would love a player like that
Another Sean Cavanagh masterclass
Point of the game from big Joe there.
Tyrone kicking some crackers.
What was gormley at. Be interesting to see if he gets a red.
Conor Gormley with a bit of a cowardly dig there on the stroke of half-time.
Hope he goes. Deserves it
same sneaky cheap shoting bollocks as always. leopard never changes his spots
Gormley throwing cheap digs and Cavanagh diving when dispossessed to get players booked.......some things never change
gormley will get done for that punch :(
anyway we have come back well after a sluggish start but penrose has been very very poor as has SON so there is still a lot to improve on.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 03, 2013, 05:40:30 PM
Gormley throwing cheap digs and Cavanagh diving when dispossessed to get players booked.......some things never change
+1. Two tramps!!
All this dung about Penroses work rate is exactly that...dung! He is brutal, fouls continuously and couldn't hit a cow on the ass with a banjo!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 03, 2013, 05:45:02 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 03, 2013, 05:40:30 PM
Gormley throwing cheap digs and Cavanagh diving when dispossessed to get players booked.......some things never change
+1. Two tramps!!
go f**k yourself ya p***k:(( Tramps?? Really?
Dessie Mone is as big a t**ker playing the game today, has been for years!!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 03, 2013, 05:45:02 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 03, 2013, 05:40:30 PM
Gormley throwing cheap digs and Cavanagh diving when dispossessed to get players booked.......some things never change
+1. Two tramps!!
That's some comment and says more about you! Cavanagh giving an absolute masterclass display, he may not have been fouled on that occasion but he was forced to the ground! He's targeted every game and needs to highlight to refs the treatment he gets. Hardly a tr**p!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 03, 2013, 05:45:02 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 03, 2013, 05:40:30 PM
Gormley throwing cheap digs and Cavanagh diving when dispossessed to get players booked.......some things never change
+1. Two tramps!!
Two tramps with 6 All-Irelands between them that Londonderry would love to have on their team
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 03, 2013, 05:47:31 PM
Dessie Mone is as big a t**ker playing the game today, has been for years!!
he wasn't going around punching people in the face like Gormley
Gormley will be substituted at half time
Neither of them two angels. Big call for the ref. could be biggest mistake gormley has ever made.
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 03, 2013, 05:46:31 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 03, 2013, 05:45:02 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 03, 2013, 05:40:30 PM
Gormley throwing cheap digs and Cavanagh diving when dispossessed to get players booked.......some things never change
+1. Two tramps!!
go f**k yourself ya p***k:(( Tramps?? Really?
+1. Brave lad talking about who is a tr**p from behind an anonymous name online.
Gabriel there a orange march down at woodvale the day, how come you missed it
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 03, 2013, 05:51:42 PM
Gabriel there a orange march down at woodvale the day, how come you missed it
eh ???
Gormley pushed Mones hand away. With a bit aggression to be fair but not even a booking!
Wrong man sent off?
Ouch! Didn't expect that.
Wrong man off, should been Gormley, wonder if they subbed at halftime would they been allow to play with 15 men
Gormley the luckiest player in the country, Penrose's clip wasn't as blatantly obvious.
He punched as well. Red card merited.
Can anyone watch the game in HD via the red button? (BBC NI)
Is Gormley still on?
Penrose threw a dig as well and was in at the beginning too
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 03, 2013, 05:55:03 PM
Gormley pushed Mones hand away. With a bit aggression to be fair but not even a booking!
Nonsense. Gormleys hand/punch went above the glove!!
everybody could see that coming straight in front of the ref, good chance he red card on the restart, so question is how he not end up red carding Gormley, maybe it was penrose that clipped him, but didnt look like it, Showed the replay, push off / clip by penrose was nothing, how he miss the gormley dig??
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 03, 2013, 05:59:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 03, 2013, 05:55:03 PM
Gormley pushed Mones hand away. With a bit aggression to be fair but not even a booking!
Nonsense. Gormleys hand/punch went above the glove!!
What was Mones hand doing near Gormley in the first place?? The ref will even this up, my money on Dick Clerkin!
Wasn't saying Penrose didn't merit the red card, just observing that Gormley's punch was far more obvious and definitely seen by an official. Ref could be completely justified sending the 2 of them off.
Quote from: glens73 on August 03, 2013, 05:58:45 PM
Can anyone watch the game in HD via the red button? (BBC NI)
No. Can only get swimming. RTE is only HD I can get
Someone needs to tell colm cavanagh that diving when a man is nowhere near you is pointless...
Penrose should never get a jersey again. He kept pressing the issue, even when the ref and linesmen were there. Absolutely shocking piece of indiscipline from an experienced player >:(
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 03, 2013, 06:02:12 PM
Penrose should never get a jersey again. He kept pressing the issue, even when the ref and linesmen were there. Absolutely shocking piece of indiscipline from an experienced player >:(
For a senior player he let his team down. He saw that the referee was on a mission to keep a lid on things and yet couldn't stop himself
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 03, 2013, 06:02:12 PM
Penrose should never get a jersey again. He kept pressing the issue, even when the ref and linesmen were there. Absolutely shocking piece of indiscipline from an experienced player >:(
Thought he was going to get done eventually, he went looking for afters every time a free was given against him or a teammate. Few late hits as well.
Didnt think the penrose issue was that bad outside the fact it was straight in front of the ref, the Gormley issue was more serious and time and again he always got away with it,, Outside of Sean cav and Joe Mac, its a brutal game of football
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 03, 2013, 06:01:03 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 03, 2013, 05:59:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 03, 2013, 05:55:03 PM
Gormley pushed Mones hand away. With a bit aggression to be fair but not even a booking!
Nonsense. Gormleys hand/punch went above the glove!!
What was Mones hand doing near Gormley in the first place?? The ref will even this up, my money on Dick Clerkin!
You right about what the ref would do, wrong player tho!
G the ref slow coming back to dish out the cards, stupid tackle by Hughes especially on a yellow already
Dare i say there a red card in soccer lol
I would argue thats a red card offense
any live streaming links?
Really think that sort of deliberate cynical foul should be a red card....
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 03, 2013, 06:10:37 PM
Dare i say there a red card in soccer lol
Yes and great tackle in rugby.
Big Sean can't be dragghing in the final ten minutes now!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 03, 2013, 06:11:44 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 03, 2013, 06:10:37 PM
Dare i say there a red card in soccer lol
Yes and great tackle in rugby.
At least rugby has the sin bin for cynical fouls....
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 03, 2013, 06:11:11 PM
I would argue thats a red card offense
Certainly should be. Horrible to see from a great player
Northern Sound has the game
Can't defend that from Cavanagh but he probably had to do it! Preventing a goal scoring opportunity is not a red card in Gaelic as far as I know!
Disgusting from canavagh
Ref must have a few quid on Tyrone, dubious sending off for Monaghan and then Cavanagh should have walked for the second week in a row.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 03, 2013, 06:13:47 PM
Can't defend that from Cavanagh but he probably had to do it! Preventing a goal scoring opportunity is not a red card in Gaelic as far as I know!
It's not, but i think it should be. Being done too often.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 03, 2013, 06:12:46 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 03, 2013, 06:11:11 PM
I would argue thats a red card offense
Certainly should be. Horrible to see from a great player
I agree but at the same time it was very clever use of the rules to take one for the team.
Actually done something like that years ago tapping the man kicking foot as he went for goal, funny enough i got a straight red for it
The sooner the black card is brought in the better - we now see why Harte doesn't like it....
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 03, 2013, 06:16:45 PM
The sooner the black card is brought in the better - we now see why Harte doesn't like it....
He's too busy talking about abortion to read the small print!
cheers
probably woudl brought him down myself, but would make it look like half a tackle instead of going straight for the man
Ger Canning has no clue who is on at this stage!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 03, 2013, 06:18:00 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 03, 2013, 06:16:45 PM
The sooner the black card is brought in the better - we now see why Harte doesn't like it....
He's too busy talking about abortion to read the small print!
You are really digging yourself deeper ::)
Walter lets just keep to the football son!!
As for Cavanagh's tackle
QuoteKevin McGuckin @kslith 10m
Cynical!! But was he right to do it?!?
QuoteKevin McGuckin @kslith 3m
That was a resounding yes! And of course I would have done it!! #dontyouknowme #cynical
So how is that tackle of Freeman on Carlin any less cynical than anything Cavanagh has done? Anyone giving out about Dick diving?
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 03, 2013, 06:23:27 PM
So how is that tackle of Freeman on Carlin any less cynical than anything Cavanagh has done? Anyone giving out about Dick diving?
you man Dick after getting dragged back you mean???
Monaghan have to get someone to lead the way in attack. They have few ideas when it comes to that end of the field.
Not much better from gormley!! Nxt years black cards will be interesting!
Dick your a dick!!
Cant see the sledgers losing this now
How can you give man of the match to such a blatant cheat. what a terrible message that sends out
Four two point wins in row. Tyrone know how to win ugly.
Totally agree tubber!! For the gud of Gaelic football they cannot win the AI this year!!
Quote from: Tubberman on August 03, 2013, 06:34:45 PM
How can you give man of the match to such a blatant cheat. what a terrible message that sends out
Jeez ye couldn't like them. ..anti football
Quote from: Tubberman on August 03, 2013, 06:34:45 PM
How can you give man of the match to such a blatant cheat. what a terrible message that sends out
+1
Not often I think soccer is ruled better than GAA but this blatant cynical fouling is something that has to be eradicated as well as multiple yellow cards through a season....
Quote from: Tubberman on August 03, 2013, 06:34:45 PM
How can you give man of the match to such a blatant cheat. what a terrible message that sends out
Dry your eyes - worry about tomorrow ;)
hard luck monaghan.
cynical from both teams.
ref wont be liked for this, but thats how croke park want referees to officiate.
I'd have taken enrose off after 15 mins - thought he was poor.
thought tyrone would edge this, they have some great players and still a fantactic tactician in Harte on the line.
Theycan improve further- and will need to.
will be better again next year youd think.
Thought the much maligned colin cavanagh did trojan work.
those that are calling sean cavanagh a cheat can look to many men on their own teams. no county is blameless for feck sake. stop this sissy like hypocricy.
Go on Joe!!!
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 03, 2013, 06:16:45 PM
The sooner the black card is brought in the better - we now see why Harte doesn't like it....
Black card will have no effect on such tackles late in the game. Too many 'holier than thou' hypocrites dancing to the tune of the RTE cheerleaders and I say that as an Armagh man. Yes it's not pretty but this is not a recent phenomenon.
Some rant from Brolly :o
Joe is in meltdown!!!
Joe in meltdown!!!!
Joe Brolly, bang on the money.
Good man Joe!!!
Joe is in danger. Lawyer or not. Is he pissed?
Certainly not the game if the weekend Osin was promising. It was the same as Tyrone's last three, they just dug it out. Don't really see much of an improvement in Tyrone's play since the league, they seem to just be playing at their level consistently and no more. That's the mark of a very good manager.
Think they've reached their end-point for this season, though.
Embarrassing by Joe what planet is Joe on?
G if he played football that cross we would won a few more all-irelands lol
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 03, 2013, 06:41:13 PM
Joe Brolly, bang on the money.
+1. every neutral in the country will want that tyrone team beat. totally anti football.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2013, 06:39:41 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 03, 2013, 06:16:45 PM
The sooner the black card is brought in the better - we now see why Harte doesn't like it....
Black card will have no effect on such tackles late in the game. Too many 'holier than thou' hypocrites dancing to the tune of the RTE cheerleaders and I say that as an Armagh man. Yes it's not pretty but this is not a recent phenomenon.
I can think for myself thanks and posted my message before brolly went on his rant
Quote from: Rois on August 03, 2013, 06:42:17 PM
Joe is in danger. Lawyer or not. Is he pissed?
Dry your eyes on all of the above. Danger of calling cheats cheats? On the drink? If youve nought worth while to say..say buck all
Brolly is right but he has a clear agenda and always has. Never bleated when Donegal were grinding their way to last years AI doing 'whatever it took'. It's a fair point but there is no consistency with Brolly. He really can't hide his vitriol for Tyrone ;D
Brolly making an absolute tit of himself on national TV....
Joe has lost control of himself the silly little sh1t. Spillane called it right, if you managed a team and a forward was bearing down on goal and a player did not drag him down you would be livid. The usual Tyrone witch hunt. Will Tyrone players and supporters care? Not one f**king bit. Who do we play next?
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 03, 2013, 06:44:41 PM
Brolly making an absolute tit of himself on national TV....
Yes the longer he spoke the more he made a tool of himself, emotionally charged I think.
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 03, 2013, 06:44:41 PM
Brolly making an absolute tit of himself on national TV....
Hardly anything new there. He's right on this occasion but as has been said, always an agenda with him
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f**k me, I thought that tube donated a kidney, not a brain. Even Spillane looked embarrassed for Joe. RTE, look at yerselves, c'mon!
Quote from: Doiregael2 on August 03, 2013, 06:36:10 PM
Totally agree tubber!! For the gud of Gaelic football they cannot win the AI this year!!
What absolute horseshit. Tomorrow you will watch two of the most cynical, dirtiest teams in Ireland go head to head. Not to mention the Dubs who write the book on such things. Do you seriously believe that if the exact same scenario played out in any of the other games this weekend, that Cavanagh would have been the only one to haul the man on goal down? Its a football problem, not a Tyrone problem.
Quote from: J OGorman on August 03, 2013, 06:44:10 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 03, 2013, 06:42:17 PM
Joe is in danger. Lawyer or not. Is he pissed?
Dry your eyes on all of the above. Danger of calling cheats cheats? On the drink? If youve nought worth while to say..say buck all
I am laughing,not crying.
And I have a bit more insight than you think I have.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2013, 06:39:41 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 03, 2013, 06:16:45 PM
The sooner the black card is brought in the better - we now see why Harte doesn't like it....
Black card will have no effect on such tackles late in the game. Too many 'holier than thou' hypocrites dancing to the tune of the RTE cheerleaders and I say that as an Armagh man. Yes it's not pretty but this is not a recent phenomenon.
So losing Cavanagh with 20 mins to go wouldn't have made a difference to the game????
You tyrone men get a signal ok in Croker? I find it hard to get decent reception when theres a big crowd in ;-)
The simple fact is that until the rules are changed to provide enough deterrent to such fouls it will keep occurring. The black card won't be enough and I doubt that the GAA collectively have enough balls to make the necessary changes.
We'll see what Pat changes his mind if Tyrone did that to Kerry in the semi
We didn't play well enough to win but i am raging wit some of the decisions here today. We had enough chances but couldn't take them. kavanagh has some ability but sometimes he should be in aviva. Disgusted wit some of his antics.
Quote from: EC Unique on August 03, 2013, 06:46:15 PM
Joe has lost control of himself the silly little sh1t. Spillane called it right, if you managed a team and a forward was bearing down on goal and a player did not drag him down you would be livid. The usual Tyrone witch hunt. Will Tyrone players and supporters care? Not one f**king bit. Who do we play next?
No problem with managers taking that approach as long as they realised there should be a straight red where a rugby tackle is used to take down somebody who is clear through on goal. Cavanagh should have got gate.
Quote from: thejuice on August 03, 2013, 06:50:25 PM
We'll see what Pat changes his mind if Tyrone did that to Kerry in the semi
They won't be able to meet Kerry until the final
I done this only with a ankle tap not a rugby tackle and got lined under dangerous play, so to Say the ref couldn't havent sent him of is wrong, ref use the play on rule when it doesnt exist so in my eyes he could have issued a red if he had seen ift. Ref go to much by the rule book and not the spirit of the game
Jasus, epic rant by Brolly. I agree that this approach is a blight on the game but it's not like Cavanagh decapitated someone, he just took the foul to keep the goal out.
And the wider point that is being missed here, and is continuously missed, is this: teams will do anything they can within and a little bit outside and beyond the rules, to win a game. It is not incumbent on managers or players to play the game in an open-handed, honest and moral way - if players and managers could be relied on to do just that, we'd never need referees or anything in the first place. It'd be nice in an ideal world but it won't happen ever. The bottom line is that if teams, players and managers are ruining the game through cynicism and negative tactics, then it is incumbent on the rule makers to legislate these tactics out of the game.
As we've seen though, the GAA moves at a lamentably poor pace of change in these matters and so the situation has persisted, although we hope the black card rule can make amends.
So I agree with Joe on the essence of his point but in attacking the players and managers he is not addressing the people on whom the onus rests for change.
Joe Brolly shouldn't be allowed on TV when he's drunk
I would classify this as a Ruth Patterson moment, though he be right that fay Devlin wouldnt have done it, think its down to the fact that Sean Cav cant actually tackle!!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 03, 2013, 06:54:17 PM
Joe Brolly shouldn't be allowed on TV when he's drunk
Mcgeeney on the other hand has been excellent in his analysis on BBC.
thought that was an enjoyable game overall, but instead of talking about that we were subjected to a 10 minute rant from brolly
I accept that there is dirty play in football Nally Stand I'm not that naive, my own county being guilty of it too! But that was down right wrong what Canavagh did and there can be no justification for it! Young boys and girls who look up to the Gaa players as role models and have seen tonight that cheating does actually win!!! Imagine if the role was reversed and Dick Clerkin pulled down Stephen O'Neill.......I'd imagine there would one or two upset red-handers on here!!
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 03, 2013, 06:02:12 PM
Penrose should never get a jersey again. He kept pressing the issue, even when the ref and linesmen were there. Absolutely shocking piece of indiscipline from an experienced player >:(
was gonna say that too. he's been shite for a long time now and that stupidity at half time is the final straw for me.
Some hypocrites on here. If it were your team and Cavanagh was your player you'd be roaring for him to make the foul. There is no professional foul like in soccer so its up to the GAA to make rules changes. Tyrone are not one bit different than Dublin, Kerry or whoever, maybe they are just better. However, id like to see the rules changed to stop this but no point in a witch hunt against 1 team. I thought the ref was good today.
Quote from: Doiregael2 on August 03, 2013, 06:59:24 PM
I accept that there is dirty play in football nelly stand I'm not that naive my own county being guilty of it too! But that was down right wrong what Canavagh did and there can be no justification for it! Young boys and girls who look up to the Gaa players as role models and have seen tonight that cheating does actually win!!! Imagine if the role was reversed and Dick Clerkin pulled down Stephen O'Neill.......I'd imagine there would one or two upset red-handers on here!!
Oh jeysus. Would somebody please think of the children. ;D
Show me a team that would not do the same in that instance and I will show you the losers.
Joe brolly tonight stands out as a wally of the highest order. Tyrone need to avoid further interviews with rte indefinitely their punditry is a putrid and unfit. So proud tonight
I think tyrone getting it large here, because it has been highlighted in there play from early on in the league that they clock up alot of yellow cards in closing out games than anyone else. You can still close out a game and defend properly, forwards dragging down players in no effort of trying to tackle. Mickey Harte will have to take alot of the blame with this tactic as it obviously been instructed to players to do this!!
Quote from: Doiregael2 on August 03, 2013, 06:59:24 PM
I accept that there is dirty play in football nelly stand I'm not that naive my own county being guilty of it too! But that was down right wrong what Canavagh did and there can be no justification for it! Young boys and girls who look up to the Gaa players as role models and have seen tonight that cheating does actually win!!! Imagine if the role was reversed and Dick Clerkin pulled down Stephen O'Neill.......I'd imagine there would one or two upset red-handers on here!!
Of course there would be unhappy red handers but they wouldn't be saying 'anyone but monaghan for the AI'. Every team would do the same as Cavanagh did and your initial post clearly implied otherwise. You're post there talks about how Cavanagh's actions might influence underage players....do you always repeat what Brolly says on tv!?
Because Mickey Harte has been the first manager to use this tactic ::)
Give your head a shake FFS
QuoteOff The Ball @offtheball 6m
'I've been listening to Joe (Brolly) for a long time, I'll leave it to my dad to get uptight about it' says Sean Cavanagh now @Newstalkfm
I've been to quite a number of Derry senior club championship games in Brolly's day and some of the stuff that went on was downright violent (I know it happens in other counties too).
What Cavanagh did is not palatable but any player worth their salt would have done the same, he didn't assault him though did he.
From a man who admitted at half time that he cheated buying free's that's some hypocrite. Just like last week he criticized M Harte on twitter and called him a hypocrite. He advised everyone last year during the black card debate to
Watch a video of M McHugh and his cynical fouls did he call Jim a hypocrite?
Since he likes to get personal. He's just like his ma and da mouthpiece's.
I'll have a pint with you Sean.
Quote from: reddgnhand on August 03, 2013, 07:08:24 PM
From a man who admitted at half time that he cheated buying free's that's some hypocrite. Just like last week he criticized M Harte on twitter and called him a hypocrite. He advised everyone last year during the black card debate to
Watch a video of M McHugh and his cynical fouls did he call Jim a hypocrite?
Since he likes to get personal. He's just like his ma and da mouthpiece's.
I'll have a pint with you Sean.
He talked absolute shit today but behind it all, he has proved himself a great man by his off the field actions in recent time. Many, like me, would have the highest regard for his parents. I've met his father numerous times and found him to be one of life's gentlemen. You petty, anonymous attacks on them are totally pathetic.
Played Full back for years and guilty of more cynical tackles than i care to remember, hell i cant even complain about it, outside the fact he made it so obliviously and just didnt grasp a leg!! :
Joe making some tit of himself recenty. Hopefully he'll lose the run of himself and tell his famous guest speaker joke about the Kerry player who'd not look out of place raping nuns soon and see what rte think of that!
The rugby tackle is becoming Sean's party trick. Was a bit unnerving watching Brolly lose it on live tv. Seemed to lose control of himself and his reaction was OTT. Was half expecting him not to hang around for the second game. Tyrone have been cynical the past few games, but what's new? They were worse 10 years ago and Joe didn't say much about it then.
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 03, 2013, 07:11:59 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on August 03, 2013, 07:08:24 PM
From a man who admitted at half time that he cheated buying free's that's some hypocrite. Just like last week he criticized M Harte on twitter and called him a hypocrite. He advised everyone last year during the black card debate to
Watch a video of M McHugh and his cynical fouls did he call Jim a hypocrite?
Since he likes to get personal. He's just like his ma and da mouthpiece's.
I'll have a pint with you Sean.
He talked absolute shit today but behind it all, he has proved himself a great man by his off the field actions in recent time. Many, like me, would have the highest regard for his parents. I've met his father numerous times and found him to be one of life's gentlemen. You petty, anonymous attacks on them are totally pathetic.
Nally if they were in the Sdlp it would be different.
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That clear pick up off the ground by Michael Shields is as cynical a prevention of a goal as Sean Cavanaghs tackle in the first game. The thought process is the same, give away a blatant free to prevent a goal. How the ref missed it is beyond me though
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 03, 2013, 07:37:05 PM
That clear pick up off the ground by Michael Shields is as cynical a prevention of a goal as Sean Cavanaghs tackle in the first game. The end result s the same, give away a blatant free to prevent a goal. How the ref missed it is beyond me though
Was writing the same benny & u beat me too it
Is as cynical, how you come to that conclusion?
no free was given
My understanding of cynical in the context of football would be that you know what you are doing is wrong but you are happy to do it in order to gain an advantage. That makes Shields act cynical - what's your definition of cynical?
Forget about what cavanagh, you'd expect it from your own. It's not right but part of the game, thankfully next year it will be addressed for everyone. If a Monaghan done it, I'd be happy if meant a win.
Overall, Monaghan didn't perform. Someone talked about Finlay been worth a place for frees alone, well today he turned the game somewhat with a bad miss. In first half, it would have put Monaghan 2 ahead, I think. Easier free than the two he'd scored but pressure was on and he missed, Tyrone straight up and scored.
Clerkin!! He may go back to writing. He done middling on cavanagh but three big mistakes, stupid shooting with men available and then handling on ground, U 12 error.
Anyways, ulster champs. Dublin or mayo for Sam, two footballing teams.
Jesus Benny u mustn't played much football, guilty of picking the ball up plenty of times, sometimes accidentally some not, never in 15yrs did i have to rugby tackle a man
The standard of the Dublin vs Cork game has already been ridiculously higher than the dross that was this game.
Glad to see a poor Monaghan team dumped out and Mayo to do the business on Tyrone in the semi final.
Quote from: reddgnhand on August 03, 2013, 07:34:53 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 03, 2013, 07:11:59 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on August 03, 2013, 07:08:24 PM
From a man who admitted at half time that he cheated buying free's that's some hypocrite. Just like last week he criticized M Harte on twitter and called him a hypocrite. He advised everyone last year during the black card debate to
Watch a video of M McHugh and his cynical fouls did he call Jim a hypocrite?
Since he likes to get personal. He's just like his ma and da mouthpiece's.
I'll have a pint with you Sean.
He talked absolute shit today but behind it all, he has proved himself a great man by his off the field actions in recent time. Many, like me, would have the highest regard for his parents. I've met his father numerous times and found him to be one of life's gentlemen. You petty, anonymous attacks on them are totally pathetic.
Nally if they were in the Sdlp it would be different.
I couldn't care less what their politics are. This is a football thread. If you disagree with brolly, just say why. Personal attacks on his family, hiding behind an anonymous name, shows a real lack of class.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 03, 2013, 07:44:36 PM
The standard of the Dublin vs Cork game has already been ridiculously higher than the dross that was this game.
Glad to see a poor Monaghan team dumped out and Mayo to do the business on Tyrone in the semi final.
It's that good you are on here complaining about another match ???
QuoteSpeaking to Newstalk at the end of the match, Sean Cavanagh responded to Brolly's diatribe. He said, "I don't make the rules of GAA. Most football teams are brought up with if a man is through to score a goal, you stop him any way necessary... I've been very unlucky in my career, I've probably received more punishment than I've given out.
"It is cynical play. It's unfortunate. I don't want to play football like that... unfortunately the rules of GAA dictate that [when a man is through on goal] a yellow card does not mean that much to you."
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 03, 2013, 07:43:40 PM
Jesus Benny u mustn't played much football, guilty of picking the ball up plenty of times, sometimes accidentally some not, never in 15yrs did i have to rugby tackle a man
Do you think that was an accident by Shields? And can you honestly say you have never pulled a player down in 15 years of playing football? Or did you just kick their heels as they kicked the ball, which I would say is much more dangerous! ;)
Dublin defender backed his keeper there
The rules of the game are not stringent enough, and personally I don't think the black card will be near good enough to stamp out the ugly cynical stuff. But the apologists shouldn't think that excuses Tyrone's tactics seen today and against Meath - a horrible sight to see.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 03, 2013, 07:44:36 PM
The standard of the Dublin vs Cork game has already been ridiculously higher than the dross that was this game.
Glad to see a poor Monaghan team dumped out and Mayo to do the business on Tyrone in the semi final.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 03, 2013, 07:47:39 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 03, 2013, 07:44:36 PM
The standard of the Dublin vs Cork game has already been ridiculously higher than the dross that was this game.
Glad to see a poor Monaghan team dumped out and Mayo to do the business on Tyrone in the semi final.
It's that good you are on here complaining about another match ???
And exactly the same scoreline at half time as the negative, boring dross served up by the northerners.......Mmmmmmm??
Joe in full flow - not much analysis of the game though!
http://balls.ie/gaa/video-joe-brolly-rant-about-sean-cavanagh/
Quote from: Tubberman on August 03, 2013, 08:01:03 PM
The rules of the game are not stringent enough, and personally I don't think the black card will be near good enough to stamp out the ugly cynical stuff. But the apologists shouldn't think that excuses Tyrone's tactics seen today and against Meath - a horrible sight to see.
Hope you were busily defending Brolly when he tore into Mayo's cynicism last year too?
They didnt seem to get round to any analysis to be honest! Thought Monaghan looked very flat on it from early on, Tyrone done enough to win but i bring Justin McMahon on at Midfield next day out!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 03, 2013, 07:37:05 PM
That clear pick up off the ground by Michael Shields is as cynical a prevention of a goal as Sean Cavanaghs tackle in the first game. The thought process is the same, give away a blatant free to prevent a goal. How the ref missed it is beyond me though
Too f**kin right. Sean Cavanagh did what 95% of other players would do and no more. Michael Shields deliberately denied a more certain goal and McStay et al had a wee giggle. Load of bollox. There was one other clearly cyncial tackle (P Harte) with about a minute to go. Joe has an agenda as always and his vitrolic rant against a fellow amatuer is just as much of a challenge to GAA values as a cynical tackle. Tyrone won by two, Cavanagh saved us two points. Come on Tyrone. Bring on the Semis.
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 03, 2013, 08:27:41 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 03, 2013, 08:01:03 PM
The rules of the game are not stringent enough, and personally I don't think the black card will be near good enough to stamp out the ugly cynical stuff. But the apologists shouldn't think that excuses Tyrone's tactics seen today and against Meath - a horrible sight to see.
Hope you were busily defending Brolly when he tore into Mayo's cynicism last year too?
Read back - I already said agreeing with Brolly on this occasion was almost the exception to the rule. Mayo's 'cynicism' last year was overblown by Brolly, as tonight's probably was too, but Mayo were never as blatant or downright cynical as that - they were desperate and unable to tackle correctly.
Dublin winning and didn't feel the need to do what 95% of all players would do.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 03, 2013, 08:33:22 PMthey were desperate and unable to tackle correctly.
so that makes it ok then? ::)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 03, 2013, 08:36:06 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 03, 2013, 08:33:22 PMthey were desperate and unable to tackle correctly.
so that makes it ok then? ::)
No, it means they weren't being deliberately cynical.
Dunno why Brolly is having a go at Cavanagh for. He should be saving his vitriol for the referee instead for bottling it and not sending Cavanagh off. It was a blatant red card, Cavanagh did what he had to do, It should have been dealt with there and then.
Bit of a strange one, the structure of the game completely broke down in the second half (the weather played havoc). Agree about Penrose, would have had him off after 15 minutes. At least Harte's hand will be forced next day out. Sean Cavanagh was colossal in the first half, faded in the second which is understandable. After the odd hiccup Peter Harte had a stormer I thought. Really took the fight to Monaghan in the second half.
Keep the heads down for next three weeks and you never know what might happen. All objectives met for the year already. Lastly, great to see fellow Omagh man Ronan O'Neill get a crucial score at the end.
Quote from: borderfox on August 03, 2013, 08:42:56 PM
Dunno why Brolly is having a go at Cavanagh for. He should be saving his vitriol for the referee instead for bottling it and not sending Cavanagh off. It was a blatant red card, Cavanagh did what he had to do, It should have been dealt with there and then.
You are obviously from the same school of dumb as Martin Carney. You can't just make up rules and send Sean Cavanagh off. What rule would you have sent him off for?
Quote from: Tubberman on August 03, 2013, 08:41:17 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 03, 2013, 08:36:06 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 03, 2013, 08:33:22 PMthey were desperate and unable to tackle correctly.
so that makes it ok then? ::)
No, it means they weren't being deliberately cynical.
They were just shite at tackling then?
Joe Brolly s attack on Sean Kavanagh was an absolute disgrace ffs you would swear he was the 1st man ever to pull a man down going through on Goal what does Joe expect ? Who here on the board would not do the same thing if in the same position ? Jesus you would swear Kavanagh had just killed a man . From the game i was watching there was cyncism from both teams but of Course Brolly does not recognise that . I know who i rather go for a pint with so sean if your ever down in mayo just give us a pm as for Joe you might just feck of the national airways as i'm sick of paying my tv licsense to listen to the shite that you come out week after week.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 03, 2013, 08:33:22 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 03, 2013, 08:27:41 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 03, 2013, 08:01:03 PM
The rules of the game are not stringent enough, and personally I don't think the black card will be near good enough to stamp out the ugly cynical stuff. But the apologists shouldn't think that excuses Tyrone's tactics seen today and against Meath - a horrible sight to see.
Hope you were busily defending Brolly when he tore into Mayo's cynicism last year too?
Read back - I already said agreeing with Brolly on this occasion was almost the exception to the rule. Mayo's 'cynicism' last year was overblown by Brolly, as tonight's probably was too, but Mayo were never as blatant or downright cynical as that - they were desperate and unable to tackle correctly.
Good grief, do you always talk such contradictory bollocks. Seems people love having a pop at Tyrone but will look past the same offences when any other team commit them. Not at all strange you only agree with brolly when tyrone are recipients of his ire. His comments were disgraceful, and his feigned indignation was fairly embarrassing imo but he'll get the attention he craves by making these comments so fair play I suppose.
This is daft, there are no posters here who if in same position (trying to get to an all Ireland semi final) wouldn't have brough said player down, if you wouldn't then you have never played. If I were manager and one of my players didn't do it as Pat said in a junior B quarter final I'd haul him off, and I'm also a referee. As for the red card some one got for clipping someone;s feet then you were done in by the referee as it's not a straight red.
Move Tyrone the better team and will not give a hoot what Joe said
Quote from: Tubberman on August 03, 2013, 08:33:22 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 03, 2013, 08:27:41 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 03, 2013, 08:01:03 PM
The rules of the game are not stringent enough, and personally I don't think the black card will be near good enough to stamp out the ugly cynical stuff. But the apologists shouldn't think that excuses Tyrone's tactics seen today and against Meath - a horrible sight to see.
Hope you were busily defending Brolly when he tore into Mayo's cynicism last year too?
Read back - I already said agreeing with Brolly on this occasion was almost the exception to the rule. Mayo's 'cynicism' last year was overblown by Brolly, as tonight's probably was too, but Mayo were never as blatant or downright cynical as that - they were desperate and unable to tackle correctly.
Ah now take the blinkers off! Mayo have been masters at cynicism!!!
Close but not close enough for Monaghan. The extra bit we would have needed in the last quarter just didn't materialise, through carelessness etc.. Fair f*cks to Tyrone, they didn't want to relinquish their upper hand once they got a grip on the game, worked like demons when it was really needed and had that little bit more of football ability.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 03, 2013, 08:44:58 PM
Quote from: borderfox on August 03, 2013, 08:42:56 PM
Dunno why Brolly is having a go at Cavanagh for. He should be saving his vitriol for the referee instead for bottling it and not sending Cavanagh off. It was a blatant red card, Cavanagh did what he had to do, It should have been dealt with there and then.
You are obviously from the same school of dumb as Martin Carney. You can't just make up rules and send Sean Cavanagh off. What rule would you have sent him off for?
exactly!, it wasnt a red card offence in gaelic football.
it would be a red card in soccer alrite but fortunately we arent playing soccer.
Quote from: clarshack on August 03, 2013, 09:02:59 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 03, 2013, 08:44:58 PM
Quote from: borderfox on August 03, 2013, 08:42:56 PM
Dunno why Brolly is having a go at Cavanagh for. He should be saving his vitriol for the referee instead for bottling it and not sending Cavanagh off. It was a blatant red card, Cavanagh did what he had to do, It should have been dealt with there and then.
You are obviously from the same school of dumb as Martin Carney. You can't just make up rules and send Sean Cavanagh off. What rule would you have sent him off for?
exactly!, it wasnt a red card offence in gaelic football.
it would be a red card in soccer alrite but fortunately we arent playing soccer.
Indeed.
Its hard to know what to advocate be done for scenarios such as this.
Referee the power to award a red for a cynical foul on a player going through? So we see players diving to get fellas sent off? Nah, don't fancy that either.
Perhaps I would go something along the lines of a review of the foul post-match. If an officiating panel think it was cynical and would have stopped a clear shot on goal - the offending player plays no further part in the competition that year. From an idealistic sporting perspective; Sean Cavanagh should not be rewarded for that degree of cynicism with an all-ireland semi-final. OK, it won't help in the final of any competition, but its a start.
[Note - I'd have hauled him down too. I still remember the day I should have hauled Benny Coulter down, and that was over a decade ago. Doesn't make it right.]
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 03, 2013, 09:09:10 PM
Quote from: clarshack on August 03, 2013, 09:02:59 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 03, 2013, 08:44:58 PM
Quote from: borderfox on August 03, 2013, 08:42:56 PM
Dunno why Brolly is having a go at Cavanagh for. He should be saving his vitriol for the referee instead for bottling it and not sending Cavanagh off. It was a blatant red card, Cavanagh did what he had to do, It should have been dealt with there and then.
You are obviously from the same school of dumb as Martin Carney. You can't just make up rules and send Sean Cavanagh off. What rule would you have sent him off for?
exactly!, it wasnt a red card offence in gaelic football.
it would be a red card in soccer alrite but fortunately we arent playing soccer.
Indeed.
Its hard to know what to advocate be done for scenarios such as this.
Referee the power to award a red for a cynical foul on a player going through? So we see players diving to get fellas sent off? Nah, don't fancy that either.
Perhaps I would go something along the lines of a review of the foul post-match. If an officiating panel think it was cynical and would have stopped a clear shot on goal - the offending player plays no further part in the competition that year. From an idealistic sporting perspective; Sean Cavanagh should not be rewarded for that degree of cynicism with an all-ireland semi-final. OK, it won't help in the final of any competition, but its a start.
[Note - I'd have hauled him down too. I still remember the day I should have hauled Benny Coulter down, and that was over a decade ago. Doesn't make it right.]
Post match, would you suspend Michael Shields for stopping a clear shot on goal by deliberately picking the ball off the ground?
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 03, 2013, 09:11:47 PM
Post match, would you suspend Michael Shields for stopping a clear shot on goal by deliberately picking the ball off the ground?
That is already adequately covered within the rulebook and was missed by the referee.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 03, 2013, 09:18:10 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 03, 2013, 09:11:47 PM
Post match, would you suspend Michael Shields for stopping a clear shot on goal by deliberately picking the ball off the ground?
That is already adequately covered within the rulebook and was missed by the referee.
The fact that it was missed by the ref is irrelevant. It was a cynical attempt to stop a clear goal and if you are advocating a punishment for that then you are opening a can of worms! What if Sean had tapped his heels? Or did the old pretend to fall over the man? Or pulled his jersey? Or two men had unfairly bottled him up? There's a million and 1 ways to stop a clear shot on goal, Sean happened to choose the most blatant - but it's no better or no worse than any other.
Rte need to breathalyse their pundits otherwise anything could happen. Now that would be a rule I'd like to see implemented. There might be some interesting results. Where would rte stand if a pindit was found to be drinking before the game..would he still be allowed to analyse it. At least a pub has 4 walls
Only one problem with demands for Sean cavanagh to be sent off. There is no red card offence to cover it, therefore the ref was correct. It carries the same penalty as it would 100m from goal.
Quote from: rrhf on August 03, 2013, 09:27:01 PM
Rte need to breathalyse their pundits otherwise anything could happen. Now that would be a rule I'd like to see implemented. There might be some interesting results. Where would rte stand if a pindit was found to be drinking before the game..would he still be allowed to analyse it. At least a pub has 4 walls
So you for know one of the pundits was drinking before going on air?
3-4 cynical tackles by both teams near end of Dub v Cork-hardly remember them now as they weren't mentioned.
Roll back two years to Limerick v Kildare in the qualifiers. A decent Limerick team are beating Kildare by a point-seconds to go in injury time. Go to 2:44 in this clip:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cGUNl9Wf5w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cGUNl9Wf5w)
How many times should Limerick have done what Sean has done this past two games? On Limerick Live 95FM they were screaming "Pull him down, haul him down, jeesus!"
They didn't, they looked daft, lost and that team has never had the chance to reach the heights that they might have reached that year with Ian Ryan and John Galvin on fire.
Under the existing rules, this clip should be driven into teams.
Think the problem is too many people are defending what he did and actually cant see what he did as been wrong! if my own team had done it i wouldn't be over the moon about it, and bringing up other examples for other games to justify the end means and make out its common practice!
Back to the game-Tyrone easily better than Monaghan today. Nearly done themselves out of it with Penrose and Gormley's sillyness at end of first half. Monaghan need another McManus option to be a real threat. This was always going to be about scraping over the line for a 3 week break for Tyrone. I would still go with Penrose for speed alone-would just like to see him rediscover his scoring touch.
Impressed-Cavanaghs, McMahon(Joe), McCarron, Clarke, McGinley,Harte, Gormley.
OK-Mattie Donnelly, Penrose, R.O'Neill.
Not so impressive-S O'Neill, McCurry
A well earned rest.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 03, 2013, 09:41:08 PM
Think the problem is too many people are defending what he did and actually cant see what he did as been wrong! if my own team had done it i wouldn't be over the moon about it, and bringing up other examples for other games to justify the end means and make out its common practice!
The point is that it is common practice, just in different ways but Tyrone and Sean Cavanagh are getting unfairly labelled as the only practitioners!
QuoteIf you want to see it happen a lot less in the future, address it with a rule change. But for gawds sakes trial suggested rules in a competitive games setting (though NOT the NFL, rather McKenna/McGrath, a couple of Reserve/Junior B championships and local club cup competitions) rather than throw out a suggestion like the black card that I seriously doubt would have stopped Cavanagh do what he did, as McGeeny summed up well on the Beeb.
All true but the black card was the only option put before us so it is right to give it a try as cynical fouling is currently not being punished and the black card is at least an attempt to address that. If it does't work we can always try something else but to reject it in favour of keeping the status quo is BS.
Hard luck on Monaghan, they had their chances and didn't take them – Gollogly's miss could have been the turning point.
I can see how they will feel aggrieved though between Hughes' first yellow, Gormley not getting the line and Cavanagh's "tackle".
On Cavanagh, most players / teams would have done the same (Mayo did it v Dublin last year although it was somewhat less blatant). That doesn't make it right however (even the Tyronies with the most tinted glasses can surely see that??!!!) and if your team had lost a game where that was a crucial incident then you'd rightly feel hard done by. It deserved a red card and it's a pity there's not a rule covering it (could he have been sent off for reckless play?).
If Donegal / Mayo put a player on Cavanagh full time then I think it would seriously limit his influence. From what I could see, the Monaghan man marking him stuck with him for a while but then got distracted and went off attacking himself while Cavanagh just strolled around – when Tyrone won the ball back, he was free in the middle of the pitch to cause havoc while his man was trying to get back.
Didn't stay and listen to Brolley, he's a gobsh*te
Monaghan played like a 20 handicap golfer and tyrone was the single figure man. Monaghan blew up by not taking that goal chance and by stupid indiscipline on the second yellow . Sean cavanagh incident came long after the Monaghan self destruction.
In fairness to Parkinson, he gets quality interviews from the sideline.
He usually grabs a selector at half time too and gets their opinion.
People seem to open up when it's just a microphone and no camera.
Quote from: highorlow on August 03, 2013, 10:38:25 PM
Monaghan played like a 20 handicap golfer and tyrone was the single figure man. Monaghan blew up by not taking that goal chance and by stupid indiscipline on the second yellow . Sean cavanagh incident came long after the Monaghan self destruction.
Wsa the Cavanagh incident not on 50 minutes??
And Monaghan had it back to level on 63 minutes.........
The whole things with Brolly overshadowed the fact Gormley should have walked the day, the other lads didnt do the obvious strike he did!
Is it just me or does Conor Clarke look like he is carrying someone on his shoulders when he is running?
Just watching BBC coverage there McGeeney's post match analysis was superb!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 03, 2013, 10:57:20 PM
Just watching BBC coverage there McGeeney's post match analysis was superb!
Link?
not sure if its been mentioned but for all the stick colm cavanagh gets, i thought he was good today.
Quote from: clarshack on August 03, 2013, 11:05:44 PM
not sure if its been mentioned but for all the stick colm cavanagh gets, i thought he was good today.
+1
Petey Harte as well.
Quote from: clarshack on August 03, 2013, 11:05:44 PM
not sure if its been mentioned but for all the stick colm cavanagh gets, i thought he was good today.
Indeed, as was Ciaran McGinley and Peter Harte had a great second half. A few of the much maligned players really stood up today, fair play!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 03, 2013, 11:08:50 PM
Quote from: clarshack on August 03, 2013, 11:05:44 PM
not sure if its been mentioned but for all the stick colm cavanagh gets, i thought he was good today.
Indeed, as was Ciaran McGinley and Peter Harte had a great second half. A few of the much maligned players really stood up today, fair play!
Ciaran took a fair bit of stick on here a couple of weeks ago. Good to see him prove a few 'experts' wrong.
A little bit worrying that Tyrone only finished with one of the starting six forwards on the pitch. Darren McCurry will have better days and SON is struggling to get into games. Good to see positive performances from Ronans McNabb and O'Neill though.
Quote from: small white mayoman on August 03, 2013, 08:45:20 PM
Joe Brolly s attack on Sean Kavanagh was an absolute disgrace ffs you would swear he was the 1st man ever to pull a man down going through on Goal what does Joe expect ? Who here on the board would not do the same thing if in the same position ? Jesus you would swear Kavanagh had just killed a man . From the game i was watching there was cyncism from both teams but of Course Brolly does not recognise that . I know who i rather go for a pint with so sean if your ever down in mayo just give us a pm as for Joe you might just feck of the national airways as i'm sick of paying my tv licsense to listen to the shite that you come out week after week.
Agreed with everything Brolly said. Cavanagh is an outstanding footballer but he reverts to cynicism and play-acting continually.
As a monaghan fan colm kavanagh should have been cautioned on numerous occasions in the second half for stopping our keeper on the quick kick out. Umpires linesmen and ref all just stood and watched. Sean is not the first to do a cynical tackle on anyone but he is the man doing it every feckin week and as good a player as he is its no wonder so many can't stand him.
Quote from: Sandy Hill on August 03, 2013, 11:25:26 PM
Quote from: small white mayoman on August 03, 2013, 08:45:20 PM
Joe Brolly s attack on Sean Kavanagh was an absolute disgrace ffs you would swear he was the 1st man ever to pull a man down going through on Goal what does Joe expect ? Who here on the board would not do the same thing if in the same position ? Jesus you would swear Kavanagh had just killed a man . From the game i was watching there was cyncism from both teams but of Course Brolly does not recognise that . I know who i rather go for a pint with so sean if your ever down in mayo just give us a pm as for Joe you might just feck of the national airways as i'm sick of paying my tv licsense to listen to the shite that you come out week after week.
Agreed with everything Brolly said. Cavanagh is an outstanding footballer but he reverts to cynicism and play-acting continually.
I have no problem with Sean Cavanagh making a calculated decision to rugby tackle one of Ulsters leading marksmen as he bore down on goal to potentially get a match winning score. what I do have a problem with is the fact that he did not receive a straight red for the sheer cynicism of his actions. Could elaborate but its late we have a huge day tomorrow to look forward to. To be continued
All this will spur on Tyrone me thinks. Monaghan in general were more cynical than Tyrone in this match especially Dessie Mone. I had thought they had turned over a new leaf etc., but they seemed to revert to the Monaghan tactics of recent years, exemplified by the decision to bring Dick on, who immediately came on and just stood in front of Cavanagh, not looking about the ball.
FFS too, Cavanagh gets dragged to the ground more than any other player in the country...
Quote from: anglocelt39 on August 03, 2013, 11:39:24 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on August 03, 2013, 11:25:26 PM
Quote from: small white mayoman on August 03, 2013, 08:45:20 PM
Joe Brolly s attack on Sean Kavanagh was an absolute disgrace ffs you would swear he was the 1st man ever to pull a man down going through on Goal what does Joe expect ? Who here on the board would not do the same thing if in the same position ? Jesus you would swear Kavanagh had just killed a man . From the game i was watching there was cyncism from both teams but of Course Brolly does not recognise that . I know who i rather go for a pint with so sean if your ever down in mayo just give us a pm as for Joe you might just feck of the national airways as i'm sick of paying my tv licsense to listen to the shite that you come out week after week.
Agreed with everything Brolly said. Cavanagh is an outstanding footballer but he reverts to cynicism and play-acting continually.
I have no problem with Sean Cavanagh making a calculated decision to rugby tackle one of Ulsters leading marksmen as he bore down on goal to potentially get a match winning score. what I do have a problem with is the fact that he did not receive a straight red for the sheer cynicism of his actions. Could elaborate but its late we have a huge day tomorrow to look forward to. To be continued
There is no such foul as a cynical foul in the rule book nor is their a professional foul. So I'd love to know on what grounds he gets a red card or are you saying refs should just apply whatever punishment they feel like?
Quote from: Itchy on August 04, 2013, 12:00:22 AM
Quote from: anglocelt39 on August 03, 2013, 11:39:24 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on August 03, 2013, 11:25:26 PM
Quote from: small white mayoman on August 03, 2013, 08:45:20 PM
Joe Brolly s attack on Sean Kavanagh was an absolute disgrace ffs you would swear he was the 1st man ever to pull a man down going through on Goal what does Joe expect ? Who here on the board would not do the same thing if in the same position ? Jesus you would swear Kavanagh had just killed a man . From the game i was watching there was cyncism from both teams but of Course Brolly does not recognise that . I know who i rather go for a pint with so sean if your ever down in mayo just give us a pm as for Joe you might just feck of the national airways as i'm sick of paying my tv licsense to listen to the shite that you come out week after week.
Agreed with everything Brolly said. Cavanagh is an outstanding footballer but he reverts to cynicism and play-acting continually.
I have no problem with Sean Cavanagh making a calculated decision to rugby tackle one of Ulsters leading marksmen as he bore down on goal to potentially get a match winning score. what I do have a problem with is the fact that he did not receive a straight red for the sheer cynicism of his actions. Could elaborate but its late we have a huge day tomorrow to look forward to. To be continued
There is no such foul as a cynical foul in the rule book nor is their a professional foul. So I'd love to know on what grounds he gets a red card or are you saying refs should just apply whatever punishment they feel like?
+1
though refs have sent lads off in the past incorrectly...
this time it cannot be done retrospectively because as you say, this is not a red card offense in the rule book.
i wonder will this furore fire up a reaction from HQ to have conor gormley red carded retrospectively...in a kind of sop/retaliation for cavanaghs rugby tackle..
hope not
see you in 13 -13.5 hours itchy!!
come on Cavan!
The problem is, you cant tell anymore when hes dragged to the ground and whens hes dived
Quote from: Itchy on August 04, 2013, 12:00:22 AM
There is no such foul as a cynical foul in the rule book nor is their a professional foul. So I'd love to know on what grounds he gets a red card or are you saying refs should just apply whatever punishment they feel like?
We've seen a few instances in hurling recently where people believed the ref should ignore the rule book and use common sense instead. Maybe that's what should be used here ;)
Quote from: deiseach on August 04, 2013, 12:07:40 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 04, 2013, 12:00:22 AM
There is no such foul as a cynical foul in the rule book nor is their a professional foul. So I'd love to know on what grounds he gets a red card or are you saying refs should just apply whatever punishment they feel like?
We've seen a few instances in hurling recently where people believed the ref should ignore the rule book and use common sense instead. Maybe that's what should be used here ;)
waterford v kilkenny in all Ireland senior football final 2020
referr mr duffy from sligo.
are you willing to trust his 'common sense' ...
i'd not be gamblng too many blahs on that!
thought Ronan O'Neill was super when he came on, as was McNabb.
I'm not a Tyrone man, nor do I have any love for Conor Gormley, but if you watch the footage between Mone and Gormley again carefully, you will see that Gormley grabbed Mones forearm and in the ensuing tussle Mone's hand flicked back and hit himself in the face. Look at the gloves if you are struggling to see this. Given how Mone reacted to the Penrose strike, his lack of reaction to the apparent Gormley 'strike' is noteworthy. Gormley did not strike Mone. It was not a red card offence.
Gormley is that sly I have no doubt he could deliberately make a man hit himself in the face.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 04, 2013, 12:16:41 AM
Gormley is that sly I have no doubt he could deliberately make a man hit himself in the face.
;D
You could say Tyrone out-Monaghaned Monaghan!
Quote from: under the bar on August 04, 2013, 01:06:32 AM
You could say Tyrone out-Monaghaned Monaghan!
Out-Monaghaned? They performed well v Donegal. That was it. They were very average today and v Antrim and Cavan. Flash in the pan.
After watching the match again there. Firstly, I must say how proud I am of this group in the guts they are showing to close out these tight games. Roscommon, Kildare, Meath and Monaghan the metal of these lads was tested and each time they dug it out.
MOTM for me is shared. Sean Cavanagh for his first half of globetrotter stuff (Certain All-Star now) and Peter Harte in the second half for driving the team forward time and again. In the second half the amount of attacks he drove on and set up scores from was very striking.
My ratings for the match from a Tyrone perspective.
- McConnell: 7 (Kickouts much improved, one poor one nearly cost us dearly)
- McCarron: 6 (Took a toasting early but improved as the game went on and was very good coming out of defence)
- Clarke: 7.5 (Caught kick outs, scored a lovely ball and exuded composure on the ball throughout)
- Carlin 7 (Love his determination, played well tonight and did a better job on McManus than McCarron)
- Gormley: 6.5 (Craftiest player in Ireland, was great at times but made a few errors)
- Harte: 8.5 ( A quiet opening, developed as the 1st half progressed and was peerless in the 2nd)
- McGinley: 8 (Played really well, took a lot of flak, showing his worth, seriously athletic, nice point too)
- Colm Cavanagh: 8 (Best game this year, coming good at the right time!!)
- Sean Cavangh: 9 (Best player in Ireland for me, absolutely incredible)
- Mattie Donnelly: 7.5 (Played this game with the flu, made everything stick when he went to full forward, going the right way about an All Star)
- Joe McMahon: 8.5 (2 super points, is there a better all round footballer in the country?!? Hope the injuries not to serious)
- Mark Donnelly: 7.5 (Carried so much important ball in the 2nd half, a real team player)
- McCurry: 5.5 (Was unlucky today, just one of them days, kicked 2 important frees and will be much sharper the next day im sure)
- Penrose: 4 (Red card was foolish of an experienced player, made several fouls. But I really value the job hes done for the team this year. Was much better against Meath)
-O'Neill: 5.5 Anonymous to he came out to centre forward. Hit some lovely balls in there but if he lights up Tyrone could take anyone left in this championship.
Subs: Ronan O'Neill did very well, McNabb and Cassidy solid, Kane had a good cameo, hope McNeice isn't out for too long, looked serious enough)
Overall much to be happy with but there's certainly another gear in this team and if everyone clicks we'll give anybody a game. P.S. Brolly is turning into a parody of himself.
Quote from: timmyot501 on August 03, 2013, 11:29:35 PM
As a monaghan fan colm kavanagh should have been cautioned on numerous occasions in the second half for stopping our keeper on the quick kick out. Umpires linesmen and ref all just stood and watched. Sean is not the first to do a cynical tackle on anyone but he is the man doing it every feckin week and as good a player as he is its no wonder so many can't stand him.
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No1 Grow up, Monaghan are one of the most cynical teams in Ireland and always have been, and for that I have no problem, I was in Clones in 1988 and they haven't changed since. No2 McGeeney was excellent last night, let's get him on more.
BTW, it's Cavanagh, that's Cavanagh
You Tyrone boys are hilarious really!!!
Cavanagh has long been touted as a cheat:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/GAA%3A+PETER+THE+EIGHT+CRUSHES+DERRY%3B+Canavan's+shooting+boots+fire...-a0102266464
That's 10 years ago! People talk about "I wish our player had of done it!" f**k off ! People from Tyrone and beyond espouse how great our Association is ... Until they get to dive or commit a cynical foul! f**k OFF! Who wants to play a game where you're rewarded by diving or pulling a man down who's got the better of you ....
A coward would be my answer to that and Sean Cavanagh has been a pretty good one since he's played for Tyrone! Let's hope they don't get Cavan this year and he doesn't start crying again!!!
Me and Padraig were laughing about that match today on FB Loopy
and are you still crying about that - you bring it up every year without fail - it's laughable now ;D
Quote from: deiseach on August 04, 2013, 12:07:40 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 04, 2013, 12:00:22 AM
There is no such foul as a cynical foul in the rule book nor is their a professional foul. So I'd love to know on what grounds he gets a red card or are you saying refs should just apply whatever punishment they feel like?
We've seen a few instances in hurling recently where people believed the ref should ignore the rule book and use common sense instead. Maybe that's what should be used here ;)
Was going to respond but Deiseach did it for me, cheers
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 04, 2013, 12:05:20 AM
The problem is, you cant tell anymore when hes dragged to the ground and whens hes dived
This, Hughes yellow card in first half was laughable.
Quote from: DickyRock on August 03, 2013, 07:37:56 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 03, 2013, 07:37:05 PM
That clear pick up off the ground by Michael Shields is as cynical a prevention of a goal as Sean Cavanaghs tackle in the first game. The end result s the same, give away a blatant free to prevent a goal. How the ref missed it is beyond me though
Was writing the same benny & u beat me too it
Exactly what I thought at the time as well. Shields new what he was at. If he hadn't have done it a dublin player would have certainly poked it to the net, same thought process as cavanagh. "I know it's a foul, but if I don't its a goal"
By the way in the same position I would have done the same as both players.
Quote from: Bingo on August 04, 2013, 08:36:02 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 04, 2013, 12:05:20 AM
The problem is, you cant tell anymore when hes dragged to the ground and whens hes dived
This, Hughes yellow card in first half was laughable.
That would be my issue with the black card.
The Hughes tackle clearly wasn't foul, but when the referee thought it was , under the new rules there is every chance he could have deemed it as cynical and shown him a black card.
Leaving Monaghan without on of their best players for most of the game.
God help us when it comes to club level and referees and left to make those sort of calls.
Well it wasn't to be. A good showing, but just not enough. The game was in the mix with 5 minutes to go, we just couldn't push on. As with every game, a lot of ifs, buts and maybes (Gollogly's goal chance being a prime example).
A lot of talk about Cavanagh pulling McManus down, but in my opinion, the key point was Darren Hughes getting a yellow card in the first half for a text-book dispossession of Cavanagh. Not only did Tyrone get a point, but Hughes was left sitting on a yellow and had to watch himself for the rest of the game.
Some of the players just didn't quite reach the performances of the Ulster Final, although again I think Wylie is worth a mention - once again kept a star full forward totally ineffective and even got himself up the field towards the end - one of our most consistent players in the 4 games.
It's sad this thread has been hijacked by Brollygate. Loads of good stuff to discuss in that game yet we're discussing a mouthpiece like him.
Ronan O'Neills cameo appearance really impressed me. Took a lovely score, crucial at that too. But linked the play really well also with some nice kick passes.
Another real attacking option for MH.
McMahon and Cavanagh kicked some monster scores in the first half.
McCurry didn't seem able to handle the conditions and fumbled the ball a fair few times.
The FF line in general need to contribute more.
Quote from: hardstation on August 04, 2013, 10:25:03 AM
I thought Tyrone's 6 forwards were all poor tbh.
Also, they try and get the ball to ONeill no matter where he is. People coming through on goal passing it to ONeill when he's in a much worse position than them to score. We've seen some great scores from ONeill but he tries to score every time he gets it and misses a hell of a lot more than he kicks.
I though O'Neill wasn't getting enough of the ball, despite constantly being on the move before the ball arrives from further out the pitch. I agree maybe he gets ball laid off to him close to goal but there has been very little early delivery in the last 2 games. He seems off the boil and that 3 poor game by his standards in a row, any ideas as to why he seems out of sorts?
Also, presume tactical, but any other reasons as to why there were so many changes tot the Tyrone subs before throw in? Presume some of the subs between 17- 25 as listed in programme were eligible to play as a result?
Quote from: Qwerty28 on August 04, 2013, 10:33:00 AM
Quote from: hardstation on August 04, 2013, 10:25:03 AM
I thought Tyrone's 6 forwards were all poor tbh.
Also, they try and get the ball to ONeill no matter where he is. People coming through on goal passing it to ONeill when he's in a much worse position than them to score. We've seen some great scores from ONeill but he tries to score every time he gets it and misses a hell of a lot more than he kicks.
I though O'Neill wasn't getting enough of the ball, despite constantly being on the move before the ball arrives from further out the pitch. I agree maybe he gets ball laid off to him close to goal but there has been very little early delivery in the last 2 games. He seems off the boil and that 3 poor game by his standards in a row, any ideas as to why he seems out of sorts?
Also, presume tactical, but any other reasons as to why there were so many changes tot the Tyrone subs before throw in? Presume some of the subs between 17- 25 as listed in programme were eligible to play as a result?
Tyrone have a 31 man squad, but you're only allowed to list 1-26. Tyrone name their subs in alphabetical order, but any one of them can be used.
Quote from: Qwerty28 on August 04, 2013, 10:33:00 AM
Quote from: hardstation on August 04, 2013, 10:25:03 AM
I thought Tyrone's 6 forwards were all poor tbh.
Also, they try and get the ball to ONeill no matter where he is. People coming through on goal passing it to ONeill when he's in a much worse position than them to score. We've seen some great scores from ONeill but he tries to score every time he gets it and misses a hell of a lot more than he kicks.
I though O'Neill wasn't getting enough of the ball, despite constantly being on the move before the ball arrives from further out the pitch. I agree maybe he gets ball laid off to him close to goal but there has been very little early delivery in the last 2 games. He seems off the boil and that 3 poor game by his standards in a row, any ideas as to why he seems out of sorts?
Also, presume tactical, but any other reasons as to why there were so many changes tot the Tyrone subs before throw in? Presume some of the subs between 17- 25 as listed in programme were eligible to play as a result?
I said the other day tyrone would just get over the line mainly because they have more nous and are the masters of cynicism. I cannot understand why cavanagh is always lauded for his great dummy but no one seems to notice that he takes at least 8 steps every time. I spotted this a long time ago but none of the pundits or refs seem to have noticed. might be time to replace one o'neill with another. ronan looked v good when he came on but stevie was v poor by his standards.
Quote from: Bingo on August 04, 2013, 08:36:02 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 04, 2013, 12:05:20 AM
The problem is, you cant tell anymore when hes dragged to the ground and whens hes dived
This, Hughes yellow card in first half was laughable.
thought this had a major bearing on the game as well as the rugby tackle by cavangh
tyrone are becoming more cynical altho have to say monaghan were no angels what we need is a stronger refereee for these games and more sendings off
Some difference in the ref in first game wit ref in second. Reilly was whistle and card happy. Goldrick tried his best to let the game flow. There were similar tackles in both games but the punishment differed
Quote from: timmyot501 on August 04, 2013, 02:00:38 PM
Some difference in the ref in first game wit ref in second. Reilly was whistle and card happy. Goldrick tried his best to let the game flow. There were similar tackles in both games but the punishment differed
Big time, I think Coldrick is the best ref in the game at present, always tries to let the game flow and makes for a much better spectacle. Anybody but the Duffys!
Hi guys,
Tactical analysis of Tyrone's win over Monaghan up now
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7503
Emmet
Conor Gormley is some man. About ten minutes to go-he looked like he was speed-walking-out on his feet. Then he pops up everywhere, with tackles and sets up Ronan O'Neill's point...a class act.
Quote from: hardstation on August 04, 2013, 10:34:50 PM
I don't think Penrose's was a red card and Gormley's wasn't even a yellow.
Mone feigned injury. He was hit on the shoulder.
Bullshit, he threw a box, so he got sent off.
He deserved to be sent off simply for the stupidity of throwing a box in full view of the ref, pure idiocy.
Quote from: hardstation on August 04, 2013, 10:44:50 PM
Quote from: Schkite on August 04, 2013, 10:43:57 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 04, 2013, 10:34:50 PM
I don't think Penrose's was a red card and Gormley's wasn't even a yellow.
Mone feigned injury. He was hit on the shoulder.
Bullshit, he threw a box, so he got sent off.
He deserved to be sent off simply for the stupidity of throwing a box in full view of the ref, pure idiocy.
He was hit in the shoulder and he held his face.
Even if he did, Penrose still punched him - red card.
Seen the replay there and it looked like he hit him on the jaw.
Can't believe that they didn't mention mone play acting on TSG also looking at the replay of the Gormley incident - it was mones own fist that hit him.
Quote from: Schkite on August 04, 2013, 10:43:57 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 04, 2013, 10:34:50 PM
I don't think Penrose's was a red card and Gormley's wasn't even a yellow.
Mone feigned injury. He was hit on the shoulder.
Bullshit, he threw a box, so he got sent off.
He deserved to be sent off simply for the stupidity of throwing a box in full view of the ref, pure idiocy.
He shoved him on the shoulder and Mone dropped holding his face. The Sunday Game had a close in shot of it, clear as day. Gormley deserved to go more than Marty.
Gormley should have seen the line, its funny how he always seemed to be the main tyrone player stuck into there incidents, you dont see cavanagh or Joe McMahon at this crap
Derry actually dont play him as he is a liability in relation to this. time and again Gormley does this and Mickey Harte in all this time over the tyrone team never tackled Gormley behaviour
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 04, 2013, 10:57:30 PM
Gormley should have seen the line, its funny how he always seemed to be the main tyrone player stuck into there incidents, you dont see cavanagh or Joe McMahon at this crap
Mone's own hand hit himself in the face. It might have looked like a Gormley strike, but it wasn't.
Gormley might have hit him, when try and pause when it happened its very inconclusive. Penrose caught him on the shoulder, and was more of a push than a punch. Never caught Mone on the head where he was holding. Still stupid of Penrose to still being involved after all he done in first half.
Quote from: Lucifer on August 04, 2013, 11:25:00 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 04, 2013, 10:57:30 PM
Gormley should have seen the line, its funny how he always seemed to be the main tyrone player stuck into there incidents, you dont see cavanagh or Joe McMahon at this crap
Mone's own hand hit himself in the face. It might have looked like a Gormley strike, but it wasn't.
Gormley having a full grip of his wrist would surely explain why his own hand would suddenly fly back towards his face. Gormley effectively threw a punch so should have been on the sideline as well
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 05, 2013, 10:41:41 AM
Gormley might have hit him, when try and pause when it happened its very inconclusive. Penrose caught him on the shoulder, and was more of a push than a punch. Never caught Mone on the head where he was holding. Still stupid of Penrose to still being involved after all he done in first half.
I thought he struck initially. However I happened to note that a pink gloved hand hit Mone in the face. Then I checked what gloves they wore. When you follow this you'll notice it was not a strike by Gormley. You couldn't send a man off for that ... even if he was clever enough to get Mone to hit himself!
They were 2 stonewall redcards. Penrose in particular was very sneaky, coming in from behind, if only one was to go then he deserved his. Tyrone got off light in those exchanges.
Quote from: hardstation on August 05, 2013, 12:41:17 PM
Neither was a sending off. Mone feigned injury and would want to have a good look at himself.
As usual HS you're full of the proverbial and keep repeating what you have already opined ad nauseum. Mone got struck on the face twice, first time he didn't overplay it, the 2nd one he stayed standing on his feet and if he exaggerates the pain, it doesn't diminish the red card offence for the coward Penrose who had clearly lost his rag.
Quote from: Main Street on August 05, 2013, 12:48:10 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 05, 2013, 12:41:17 PM
Neither was a sending off. Mone feigned injury and would want to have a good look at himself.
As usual HS you're full of the proverbial and keep repeating what you have already opined ad nauseum. Mone got struck on the face twice, first time he didn't overplay it, the 2nd one he stayed standing on his feet and if he exaggerates the pain, it doesn't diminish the red card offence for the coward Penrose who had clearly lost his rag.
Hardstation is spot on.
Mone put his hand to his own face. There was no strike at all to the face. Penrose shoved him in the chest.
http://www.rte.ie/player/6c/show/10186666/ 54 mins in
Gormley and Penrose derved to be sent off... neither had to get involved the way they did, its fairly typical of Tyrone football unfortunately.
Quote from: Lucifer on August 04, 2013, 11:25:00 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 04, 2013, 10:57:30 PM
Gormley should have seen the line, its funny how he always seemed to be the main tyrone player stuck into there incidents, you dont see cavanagh or Joe McMahon at this crap
Mone's own hand hit himself in the face. It might have looked like a Gormley strike, but it wasn't.
aye thats right, Dessie Mone decided to give himself a punch in the face for the craic of it. Such nonsense.
Quote from: sammymaguire on August 05, 2013, 01:50:33 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on August 04, 2013, 11:25:00 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 04, 2013, 10:57:30 PM
Gormley should have seen the line, its funny how he always seemed to be the main tyrone player stuck into there incidents, you dont see cavanagh or Joe McMahon at this crap
Mone's own hand hit himself in the face. It might have looked like a Gormley strike, but it wasn't.
aye thats right, Dessie Mone decided to give himself a punch in the face for the craic of it. Such nonsense.
No but he put his hand to his face to indicate as if he had been hit which he wasn't.
Quote from: hardstation on August 05, 2013, 12:41:17 PM
Neither was a sending off. Mone feigned injury and would want to have a good look at himself.
Is attempting to strike not also a Red Card offence?
Quote from: hardstation on August 05, 2013, 01:58:38 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 05, 2013, 01:56:53 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 05, 2013, 12:41:17 PM
Neither was a sending off. Mone feigned injury and would want to have a good look at himself.
Is attempting to strike not also a Red Card offence?
He shoved him in the shoulder.
Tyrone lover ;)
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 05, 2013, 01:56:53 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 05, 2013, 12:41:17 PM
Neither was a sending off. Mone feigned injury and would want to have a good look at himself.
Is attempting to strike not also a Red Card offence?
Correct its a red card offence whether he connects or not. Also on RTE there was only one camera angle which shows the back of Mone's head. You cannot see Mone's face and so its impossible for somebody to say he was not hit and feigned injury.
Quote from: hardstation on August 05, 2013, 02:15:06 PM
I was a Monaghan hater the other day apparently.
It's just the truth. You shouldn't get put off for shoving someone. Dessie Mone pretending he got punched in the face is a joke too.
Penrose didn't strike to the face but Gormley did and should have gone.
Quote from: hardstation on August 05, 2013, 02:19:21 PM
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Quote from: hardstation on August 05, 2013, 12:41:17 PM
Neither was a sending off. Mone feigned injury and would want to have a good look at himself.
Is attempting to strike not also a Red Card offence?
Correct its a red card offence whether he connects or not. Also on RTE there was only one camera angle which shows the back of Mone's head. You cannot see Mone's face and so its impossible for somebody to say he was not hit and feigned injury.
Bollox.
No I think you will find you are wrong.
The camera is form the back. The incident comes after the shove in the chest.
And an attempted strike is a red card.
There is no doubt that the red was deserved.
Well done Tyrone. You did what you do best.
Well done Monaghan. It has been a great year and you did us proud.
As I said earlier, the Gormley one is inconclusive. In this still his fist (black gloves) is in Mone's face, but he also was pushing Mone's hand back as well. Hard to judge even after viewing a number of times.
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Penrose was nowhere near the top of Mone's head which he held after being "hit"
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Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 05, 2013, 11:00:19 PM
As I said earlier, the Gormley one is inconclusive. In this still his fist (black gloves) is in Mone's face, but he also was pushing Mone's hand back as well. Hard to judge even after viewing a number of times.
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Penrose was nowhere near the top of Mone's head which he held after being "hit"
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The grainy stills tell us nothing.
How long is Gormleys arm?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 03, 2013, 05:45:02 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 03, 2013, 05:40:30 PM
Gormley throwing cheap digs and Cavanagh diving when dispossessed to get players booked.......some things never change
+1. Two tramps!!
Two tramps, on a team of tramps, managed by a tr**p, from a county full of tramps. I think its fair to say that I think tyrone are tramps.
Quote from: Agent Orange on August 06, 2013, 02:32:42 AM
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Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 03, 2013, 05:40:30 PM
Gormley throwing cheap digs and Cavanagh diving when dispossessed to get players booked.......some things never change
+1. Two tramps!!
Two tramps, on a team of tramps, managed by a tr**p, from a county full of tramps. I think its fair to say that I think tyrone are tramps.
Love the use of the word tramps and then he reverts to tr**p and back to tramps again.
Classy Agent Orange.
Zulu I was sure Gormley punched Mone, and I was wondering why he didn't go down roaring like a buck ass, given his fondness for, ahem, highlighting such incidents. But when I looked at it again in my 'cynical fouls' thesis :), I could see that actually Gormley shoved Mone's arms away, and it was Mone's own hand that hit him in the face.
Just how does Dessie hit himself in that first incident?
First grainy picture shows 3 Tyrone hands around Dessie's face. Dessie's hands are grabbing the Tyrone shirts.
2nd incident, we are suppose to believe the possibility that angry ant Penrose ran 10m with steam and snot coming out of his nose, to sneak up behind Dessie and stroke him affectionately on the face.
Sure Dessie has an ingrained habit of going down easy to exaggerate the contact, most every Monaghan poster acknowledges that. Unlike those ugly tyrone f'eckers, Dessie is a handsome lad and is sensitive to any slight disturbance to his facial area.
I watched it again Main Street. What happened is Gormely shoved Mone's arms away, and his hand flew back into his own face. And I was sure that Gormley had punched him.
For the second one, it is harder to see, and certainly Penrose came around from the back, and punched/pushed at Mone but it certainly looked like his shoulder on TV. However, he may have hit him in the face as well, hard to see. Penrose was daft to do it.
In hindsight though, given the way Mone reacted to Penrose's strike, I'd be amazed if he didn't do at least the same thing when Gormley was involved if he felt Gormley punched him.
Quote from: Main Street on August 06, 2013, 01:39:21 PM
Just how does Dessie hit himself in that first incident?
First grainy picture shows 3 Tyrone hands around Dessie's face. Dessie's hands are grabbing the Tyrone shirts.
2nd incident, we are suppose to believe the possibility that angry ant Penrose ran 10m with steam and snot coming out of his nose, to sneak up behind Dessie and stroke him affectionately on the face.
Sure Dessie has an ingrained habit of going down easy to exaggerate the contact, most every Monaghan poster acknowledges that. Unlike those ugly tyrone f'eckers, Dessie is a handsome lad and is sensitive to any slight disturbance to his facial area.
Your right about the second incident. Penrose made a striking action and deserved to go. (We'll ignore the fact it hit Dessie on the shoulder and he made the most of it) Completely stupid action, and I don't know what was with him on Saturday as he was getting involved in everything during the first half as well.
But I completely agree with AZ's analysis of the Gormley incident. It was a shoving action by Gormley. Both were holding and pulling at each other. Hangbags stuff and that's why we didn't see a reaction from Mone unlike the Penrose incident.
Quote from: Agent Orange on August 06, 2013, 02:32:42 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 03, 2013, 05:45:02 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 03, 2013, 05:40:30 PM
Gormley throwing cheap digs and Cavanagh diving when dispossessed to get players booked.......some things never change
+1. Two tramps!!
Two tramps, on a team of tramps, managed by a tr**p, from a county full of tramps. I think its fair to say that I think tyrone are tramps.
You are a classy guy. I like the way your inbreeding hasn't stopped you using a computer.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 06, 2013, 01:43:15 PM
I watched it again Main Street. What happened is Gormely shoved Mone's arms away, and his hand flew back into his own face. And I was sure that Gormley had punched him.
For the second one, it is harder to see, and certainly Penrose came around from the back, and punched/pushed at Mone but it certainly looked like his shoulder on TV. However, he may have hit him in the face as well, hard to see. Penrose was daft to do it.
In hindsight though, given the way Mone reacted to Penrose's strike, I'd be amazed if he didn't do at least the same thing when Gormley was involved if he felt Gormley punched him.
AZ - there's two incidents
There's the Penrose one
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And there's the Gormley one
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Haha!
Gormley gets Dessie with the classic 'Stop hitting yourself!' move. ;D
Haven't see that one since 6th class.
Pretty conclusive that really... nothing in the Gormley incident but frustration for the RTE mob. And a lack of ammunition on their witch hunt.
No point getting wound up about it but the Penrose incident is a joke. If that is a strike then a lot of games would finish with ten a side (Cue snide remarks along the lines of most Tyrone club games finishing 3 a side :) )
Yeah, I know that gab? I knew there was 2 incidents. And they happened the other way around, Gormley's was first.
Penrose one is a joke. He clearly hits him on the shoulder yet the guy grabs his eye in pain (quite some time after the strike).
So you are admitting he struck him? Take the rose-tinted glasses off
Quote5.1 To strike or attempt to strike and opponent with head, arm, elbow, hand or knee
Penrose had to go lads.
Surely you can see that.
Penrose shouldn't have even been on the pitch at that stage both for his persistent fouling and two neck high challenges after 31 and 32 minutes which were both clear yellow card offences.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 06, 2013, 04:29:48 PM
Penrose had to go lads.
Surely you can see that.
I'd agree. and as I said earlier Penrose seemed to be on a mission during the first half, and was getting involved in niggly crap.
But equally, people calling for Gormley to be red carded are way of the ball.
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 06, 2013, 05:17:54 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 06, 2013, 04:29:48 PM
Penrose had to go lads.
Surely you can see that.
I'd agree. and as I said earlier Penrose seemed to be on a mission during the first half, and was getting involved in niggly crap.
But equally, people calling for Gormley to be red carded are way of the ball.
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Why? Did he not"strike or attempt to strike"?
if the 2 of them walked on to the changing room instead of acting the dick as dessie mone was giving out to the referee, it wouldnt even be discussed, Look at the actions of your own players instead of trying to defend them, should have been no-where near it anyway!
No I don,t see a strike. They were shoving each other. There's no strike out by Gormley.
Not wanting to do this one to death, but basically Tyrone Gaelic footballers are the cutest hoors going and Mayo would want to be in their guard as them lads get in your faces and heads and everywhere to make sure they put you off yer game.
Penrose deserved to go for the sheer stupidity of doing what he did right in front of the officials.
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 06, 2013, 05:17:54 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 06, 2013, 04:29:48 PM
Penrose had to go lads.
Surely you can see that.
I'd agree. and as I said earlier Penrose seemed to be on a mission during the first half, and was getting involved in niggly crap.
But equally, people calling for Gormley to be red carded are way of the ball.
Penrose was a polite clean tackling young lad when he was with Aghyarn, wonder what happened him since! :)
Those photos are from the back. You can't see much. What i think i see is penrose's right hand going up and hitting mone on left side of face then mone going down holding his right.
However what most people don't seem to comment on... The linesman is looking straight at it and is only a few yards away. There's no way that was called wrong. The officials were right beside it and had a better view than we can ever get - especially the linesman.
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Quote from: supersarsfields on August 06, 2013, 05:17:54 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 06, 2013, 04:29:48 PM
Penrose had to go lads.
Surely you can see that.
I'd agree. and as I said earlier Penrose seemed to be on a mission during the first half, and was getting involved in niggly crap.
But equally, people calling for Gormley to be red carded are way of the ball.
Penrose was a polite clean tackling young lad when he was with Aghyarn, wonder what happened him since! :)
Read today's Irish Times, Page 14, to find out!!!!
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 06, 2013, 04:25:56 PM
So you are admitting he struck him? Take the rose-tinted glasses off
Quote5.1 To strike or attempt to strike and opponent with head, arm, elbow, hand or knee
Yes. I should have said. A strike is a strike and be deserved to go. My gripe is with the grabbing eye in pain when the strike connected with the shoulder. Pathetic.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 06, 2013, 04:29:48 PM
Penrose had to go lads.
Surely you can see that.
Yes should have went to the changing rooms instead of going looking agro.
Mone shouldn't have run over to involve himself either, never mind the pathetic simulation! :P
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 07, 2013, 12:00:45 AM
Mone shouldn't have run over to involve himself either, never mind the pathetic simulation! :P
Fear I was furious when the incident happened and it wasn't with Mone.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 07, 2013, 12:00:45 AM
Mone shouldn't have run over to involve himself either, never mind the pathetic simulation! :P
Joe even said that Mone deserved it in the half time analysis.
Quote from: reddgnhand on August 07, 2013, 12:08:34 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 07, 2013, 12:00:45 AM
Mone shouldn't have run over to involve himself either, never mind the pathetic simulation! :P
Fear I was furious when the incident happened and it wasn't with Mone.
Awk lads, would ye listen to yourselves? Barry cassidy has his arm round mone, Reilly is about two metres behind him, the other linesman about two metres in front of him. Penrose runs round and throws a dig. Regardless of where it connected, what in the blue blazes of hell did he think was gonna happen. Obviously it was a momentary lapse of sanity, but he was always gonna walk! What the fcuk was he thinking??
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 07, 2013, 12:00:45 AM
Mone shouldn't have run over to involve himself either, never mind the pathetic simulation! :P
Fear I was furious when the incident happened and it wasn't with Mone.
Awk lads, would ye listen to yourselves? Barry cassidy has his arm round mone, Reilly is about two metres behind him, the other linesman about two metres in front of him. Penrose runs round and throws a dig. Regardless of where it connected, what in the blue blazes of hell did he think was gonna happen. Obviously it was a momentary lapse of sanity, but he was always gonna walk! What the fcuk was he thinking??
What did Dessie say to Penrose to evoke such rage and reaction from Penrose ?
"I'll not repeat what he said to me in the first half, the referee shouldn't be saying that!" Hughes claimed, querying why Joe McQuillan (the original appointee) was taken off the game.
Tyrone v Monaghan 2011
Cormac Reilly had an absolute stinker again last saturday, cant understand why muppets like him are given major games like this given that he has history
I have heard Dessie was doing a little bit of very insulting sledging.....right in front of and within hearing distance of the afore mentioned linesman. I was thinking at the time this must have happened because it just isn't Penroses game at all.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 07, 2013, 12:00:45 AM
Mone shouldn't have run over to involve himself either, never mind the pathetic simulation! :P
Mone should've got the line along with Penrose
Quote from: take_yer_points on August 07, 2013, 01:37:17 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 07, 2013, 12:00:45 AM
Mone shouldn't have run over to involve himself either, never mind the pathetic simulation! :P
Mone should've got the line along with Penrose
What for? He didn't strike anyone?
Quote from: sammymaguire on August 07, 2013, 01:48:35 PM
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 07, 2013, 12:00:45 AM
Mone shouldn't have run over to involve himself either, never mind the pathetic simulation! :P
Mone should've got the line along with Penrose
What for? He didn't strike anyone?
Yes he did - clear as day - he hit himself a box in the mouth ;)
It was noticeable on Saturday past the amount of times Tyrone interchanged players. For example take the full forward line - at different stages in the second half alone - Colm Cavanagh, Conor Clarke, Mattie Donnelly, Ronan O'Neill, Darren McCurry, SON... possibly Aidan Cassidy as well, all had a short spell in that two man full forward line. Peter Harte had a brief spell there at the end of the first half.
What was the thinking here? Was it to give a breather to different lads (bearing in mind it was our 5th game in 6 weeks?)
Or was it to confuse some of the Monaghan players - who they were picking up in the 14v14 to take some of the sting out of them?
There was also a lot of switching going on with the sweeper role. Obviously we have seen this done before, but never to the extent of Saturday past.
Can we expect to see more of this V Mayo?
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 06, 2013, 09:17:26 PM
Penrose deserved to go for the sheer stupidity of doing what he did right in front of the officials.
Agreed, not truly a red card since he shoved him in the chest, but all the preceeding actions by Penrose built up to this. The straw that broke the camels back really.
Gormley's incident isn't a red. Threw Mone's hand back at him.
I was not going to post on this as I thought both Tyrone men were guilty. However Penrose did not punch anyone as you can see his black glove resting on the guys shoulder as he pushes him. Gormley also clearly pushes the mans own arm back and his own red glove hits him in the face.
This could be settled in a closed room.
Hitler reacts to the Sean Cavanagh tackle. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4Lq5llhqSY
Quote from: Sandino on August 07, 2013, 03:20:24 PM
I was not going to post on this as I thought both Tyrone men were guilty. However Penrose did not punch anyone as you can see his black glove resting on the guys shoulder as he pushes him. Gormley also clearly pushes the mans own arm back and his own red glove hits him in the face.
This could be settled in a closed room.
Although neither were technically sendings off, you felt that a red card was merited for foolishness. Wasn't a dirty game and the shemozzle seemed out of place at the time. Penrose should never have went looking for more. Dessie Mone has been the Lazarus of the championship to date.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 06, 2013, 03:21:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 06, 2013, 01:43:15 PM
I watched it again Main Street. What happened is Gormely shoved Mone's arms away, and his hand flew back into his own face. And I was sure that Gormley had punched him.
For the second one, it is harder to see, and certainly Penrose came around from the back, and punched/pushed at Mone but it certainly looked like his shoulder on TV. However, he may have hit him in the face as well, hard to see. Penrose was daft to do it.
In hindsight though, given the way Mone reacted to Penrose's strike, I'd be amazed if he didn't do at least the same thing when Gormley was involved if he felt Gormley punched him.
AZ - there's two incidents
There's the Penrose one
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And there's the Gormley one
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Both attempted strikes (at the minimum), both red card offences as per rule 5.1. Sin é.
Here we go again......are you blind, or just blinded by ignorance
What is the difference between a strike and a push? Is a strike simply the use of ones body to assault another? We should be looking at more red cards for all the pushing and shoving you see every game if thats the case? What about the subs who come on and bulldoze into an unsuspecting mans back with their shoulder - should that be a red card?
tommy freeman shouldn't have finished that game was more bothered with getting involved with tyrone defenders. dick clerkin could have won that match but took the shot selection or he's just not as great as he thinks he is and he went down handy enough for his free. dessie mone holding his face after getting shoved on the chest is just like jordan in 2003 but will anybody be talking about that incident in 10 years time. maybe monaghan should have stuck with blooding new players thats what worked againist donegal in the ulster final.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on August 09, 2013, 02:00:03 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 06, 2013, 03:21:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 06, 2013, 01:43:15 PM
I watched it again Main Street. What happened is Gormely shoved Mone's arms away, and his hand flew back into his own face. And I was sure that Gormley had punched him.
For the second one, it is harder to see, and certainly Penrose came around from the back, and punched/pushed at Mone but it certainly looked like his shoulder on TV. However, he may have hit him in the face as well, hard to see. Penrose was daft to do it.
In hindsight though, given the way Mone reacted to Penrose's strike, I'd be amazed if he didn't do at least the same thing when Gormley was involved if he felt Gormley punched him.
AZ - there's two incidents
There's the Penrose one
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2ezh40h.gif)
And there's the Gormley one
(http://i44.tinypic.com/1rq9v7.gif)
Both attempted strikes (at the minimum), both red card offences as per rule 5.1. Sin é.
My big brothers used to do this to me - 'Stop punching yourself Dessie.' Could Dessie have been sent off for attempting to punch himself?
Quote from: CD on August 09, 2013, 05:13:56 PM
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Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 06, 2013, 03:21:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 06, 2013, 01:43:15 PM
I watched it again Main Street. What happened is Gormely shoved Mone's arms away, and his hand flew back into his own face. And I was sure that Gormley had punched him.
For the second one, it is harder to see, and certainly Penrose came around from the back, and punched/pushed at Mone but it certainly looked like his shoulder on TV. However, he may have hit him in the face as well, hard to see. Penrose was daft to do it.
In hindsight though, given the way Mone reacted to Penrose's strike, I'd be amazed if he didn't do at least the same thing when Gormley was involved if he felt Gormley punched him.
AZ - there's two incidents
There's the Penrose one
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2ezh40h.gif)
And there's the Gormley one
(http://i44.tinypic.com/1rq9v7.gif)
Both attempted strikes (at the minimum), both red card offences as per rule 5.1. Sin é.
My big brothers used to do this to me - 'Stop punching yourself Dessie.' Could Dessie have been sent off for attempting to punch himself?
Gormley deserved a red also. He may have started pushing mones hand but if you watch carefully he ends with a a closed fist which either catches Mone or very nearly does. Either way its a strike or an attempted strike and thats a red card. This should be dealt with retrospectively of course but won't because as usual Micky Harte and other Tyrone men like Canavan have craftily used the media to ensure tyrone have come out of this looking like victims. Harte has done this before a number of times sticking up for players like mcmenamin no matter what he did. (although he mightn't stick up for the same boy now given that he is working for RTE - heard micky isn't too happy with that)
Lenny , are you from Derry???? ::)
Both were red card offences. Sorry lads.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 06, 2013, 01:43:15 PM
I watched it again Main Street. What happened is Gormely shoved Mone's arms away, and his hand flew back into his own face. And I was sure that Gormley had punched him.
For the second one, it is harder to see, and certainly Penrose came around from the back, and punched/pushed at Mone but it certainly looked like his shoulder on TV. However, he may have hit him in the face as well, hard to see. Penrose was daft to do it.
In hindsight though, given the way Mone reacted to Penrose's strike, I'd be amazed if he didn't do at least the same thing when Gormley was involved if he felt Gormley punched him.
Jazeses, Az, going by the animated pics above, I've come to the conclusion that at least one of us needs to head for the nearest SpecSavers ASAP. ;D
Maybe the pair of us but we can't both be right.
Mone hitting his face with his glove had no bearing on the decision by the ref to give his assailant a red card.
It was the punch immediately beforehand that did the business. This was done in full view of the ref and his officials.
There can be no argument about Gormley's red card either. He used his fist-clear as day.
Again, the ref had a clear view of what happened.
What puzzles me is that both Penrose and Gormley are very experienced players- it's not as if they were young hotheads out to make a name for themselves.
To attempt to make deliberate physical contact of any sort with the ref and his officials in close attendance was pure daft.
even with people looking at the evidence they cant see its a red card, talk about having blinkers on when looking at u own team!!
Quote from: lenny on August 09, 2013, 06:14:16 PM
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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 06, 2013, 01:43:15 PM
I watched it again Main Street. What happened is Gormely shoved Mone's arms away, and his hand flew back into his own face. And I was sure that Gormley had punched him.
For the second one, it is harder to see, and certainly Penrose came around from the back, and punched/pushed at Mone but it certainly looked like his shoulder on TV. However, he may have hit him in the face as well, hard to see. Penrose was daft to do it.
In hindsight though, given the way Mone reacted to Penrose's strike, I'd be amazed if he didn't do at least the same thing when Gormley was involved if he felt Gormley punched him.
AZ - there's two incidents
There's the Penrose one
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2ezh40h.gif)
And there's the Gormley one
(http://i44.tinypic.com/1rq9v7.gif)
Both attempted strikes (at the minimum), both red card offences as per rule 5.1. Sin é.
My big brothers used to do this to me - 'Stop punching yourself Dessie.' Could Dessie have been sent off for attempting to punch himself?
Gormley deserved a red also. He may have started pushing mones hand but if you watch carefully he ends with a a closed fist which either catches Mone or very nearly does. Either way its a strike or an attempted strike and thats a red card. This should be dealt with retrospectively of course but won't because as usual Micky Harte and other Tyrone men like Canavan have craftily used the media to ensure tyrone have come out of this looking like victims. Harte has done this before a number of times sticking up for players like mcmenamin no matter what he did. (although he mightn't stick up for the same boy now given that he is working for RTE - heard micky isn't too happy with that)
Barry Cassidy had a great view of both incidents. Both should have been red but only Penrose was sent off. I believe Gormley thinks he can get away with 'certain things' as he always plays on the edge, or beyond it in sometimes!
Gifs show clearly two Tyrone players should have been sent off. You'd have to be seriously deluded to argue otherwise. The ref and officials bottled it. Earlier a ridiculous yellow card for Darren Hughes - Cavanagh pulled him down after good tackle. And in all the furore about the Cavanagh tackle hardly a mention of Brolly's 'he (Mone) probably deserved it' line. No mother from Monaghan, so we're not expecting an apology. If he didn't get the sack from RTE after the crap he spewed after the Derry - Monaghan in Celtic Park a few years ago, he'll never get it.
Take a look at the other gif on Balls.ie. First Tyrone tackler swings the boot and misses, Cavanagh was on his game and hauled McManus down, while No. 8 (Colm Cavanagh) looks to be preparing for lift off.
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Hopefully a footballing team is allowed to win the All Ireland.
Quote from: babarino on August 09, 2013, 09:14:30 PM
Gifs show clearly two Tyrone players should have been sent off. You'd have to be seriously deluded to argue otherwise. The ref and officials bottled it. Earlier a ridiculous yellow card for Darren Hughes - Cavanagh pulled him down after good tackle. And in all the furore about the Cavanagh tackle hardly a mention of Brolly's 'he (Mone) probably deserved it' line. No mother from Monaghan, so we're not expecting an apology. If he didn't get the sack from RTE after the crap he spewed after the Derry - Monaghan in Celtic Park a few years ago, he'll never get it.
Take a look at the other gif on Balls.ie. First Tyrone tackler swings the boot and misses, Cavanagh was on his game and hauled McManus down, while No. 8 (Colm Cavanagh) looks to be preparing for lift off.
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Hopefully a footballing team is allowed to win the All Ireland.
Why should anyone be "allowed" to win an All Ireland? The best team in the country win it every year
ccc to look at conors shove on dessie moan shefflin strikes with hurley and because of his elite status gets his sending off recinded some joke
Ahh ladeens - don't ye know that " there's never a dirty stroke in hurling" and if anyone is ever sent off it's the ref's fault - as evidenced by the rescinding of Shefflin's card following the Cork fella's one.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/basking-in-the-evening-sun-mingling-with-family-friends-and-supporters-i-could-have-stayed-forever-239476.html
A good read.
Read that earlier today, great article.
D >:(
Quote from: bennydorano on August 10, 2013, 07:45:39 PM
Read that earlier today, great article.
Aye it was a great article until I read this -Sweet Jesus !
I have done a lot of questionable stuff on the field of play, I'll admit to that, but I can honestly say in the 151 matches I have played for Monaghan I cannot remember carrying out a pre-meditated clinically executed tackle as Seán did on Conor McManus last weekend.
And if you asked most other players they would say the same.
Tyrone's 'win at all cost' mentality might very well get them their fourth All-Ireland medal, my only fear is that it may tarnish the good will and respect they earned from all of us on their way to winning their first three.
WTF?
A couple of things:
Gallogly should be strung up for that goal miss early in the second half.
Canning def said "Some Dick has made it 9 points a-piece" on 40 mins.
Some whinging from Monaghan, and in fairness, it surprises me.
If Mone hadn't run across to involve himself where he was neither needed nor wanted he wouldn't have had to pathetically simulate.
Now Monaghan (not all of you, just some of you who won't let it go), just suck it up, and shut up.
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 11:53:26 PM
Tyrone's 'win at all cost' mentality might very well get them their fourth All-Ireland medal, my only fear is that it may tarnish the good will and respect they earned from all of us on their way to winning their first three.
WTF?
Arra, don't let it bother you too much. It will never happen.
How can you lose something you had already lost a long, long time ago?
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 11:53:26 PM
Tyrone's 'win at all cost' mentality might very well get them their fourth All-Ireland medal, my only fear is that it may tarnish the good will and respect they earned from all of us on their way to winning their first three.
WTF?
I stopped reading after the bit about not being able to remember a premeditated clinically executed tackle like Sean Cavanagh did.
That conclusion is mighty.
Quote from: hardstation on August 11, 2013, 12:06:00 AM
I put the bin out on Thursday night, with clinical execution.
Did you think about it before you put it out ?
Very important.
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Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2013, 11:53:26 PM
Tyrone's 'win at all cost' mentality might very well get them their fourth All-Ireland medal, my only fear is that it may tarnish the good will and respect they earned from all of us on their way to winning their first three.
WTF?
I stopped reading after the bit about not being able to remember a premeditated clinically executed tackle like Sean Cavanagh did.
That conclusion is mighty.
I'd say he 'fears' it alright.
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Quote from: hardstation on August 11, 2013, 12:06:00 AM
I put the bin out on Thursday night, with clinical execution.
Did you think about it before you put it out ?
Very important.
Yes, it was pre-meditated.
I also hit a wasp a pre-meditated smack after it landed on my arm.
Evil.
Cold and calculating.
I just don't know what to say.
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Quote from: hardstation on August 11, 2013, 12:06:00 AM
I put the bin out on Thursday night, with clinical execution.
Did you think about it before you put it out ?
Very important.
Yes, it was pre-meditated.
I also hit a wasp a pre-meditated smack after it landed on my arm.
Evil.
Cold and calculating.
I just don't know what to say.
It had it coming.
Is bin day not Tuesday ? What were you doing putting it out Thursday - just to be early ?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 10, 2013, 11:58:26 PM
Some whinging from Monaghan, and in fairness, it surprises me.
If Mone hadn't run across to involve himself where he was neither needed nor wanted he wouldn't have had to pathetically simulate.
Now Monaghan (not all of you, just some of you who won't let it go), just suck it up, and shut up.
Absolutely priceless telling monaghan people to suck it up and shut up when you crowd are still bleating on about a game in 1996 which you yourself contributed to recently.
Clerkin is a really good comedy writer. I especially chuckled at the bit where he implied that he doesnt remember carrying out a cynical tackle - or was a clinical tackle? That article should be made into a movie.
Quote from: cluaineois on August 11, 2013, 09:00:37 AM
Absolutely priceless telling monaghan people to suck it up and shut up when you crowd are still bleating on about a game in 1996 which you yourself contributed to recently.
As I have repeatedly said, I look on '96 as a glorious year, since in its absence we would have subsequently won sweet feck all! Priceless indeed!
When's Dick's next stand-up gig anyway? :P ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 10, 2013, 11:58:26 PM
Some whinging from Monaghan, and in fairness, it surprises me.
If Mone hadn't run across to involve himself where he was neither needed nor wanted he wouldn't have had to pathetically simulate.
Now Monaghan (not all of you, just some of you who won't let it go), just suck it up, and shut up.
I don't know what you mean by 'whinging'. The game was there for the taking and it wasn't taken - poor shot selection and a lack of composure cost us the game, in spite of poor refereeing and Tyrone cynicism.
The Hughes yellow card no doubt contributed to our losing the midfield battle. And while Mone can be an annoyance, in the McMenamin mode, it doesn't excuse boxing him. If 'simulation' excuses why he was punched by two different players, Cavanagh would be a punch bag.
And all this BS about what different players would have done in same situation where a player is through on goal... Just saw the Treacy goal for Dublin in the hurling - Cork defenders don't do rugby tackles.
Quote from: hardstation on August 11, 2013, 12:06:00 AM
I put the bin out on Thursday night, with clinical execution.
Did you wheelie?
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Interesting Dick!
Where?
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Interesting Dick!
You should probably start an Interesting Dick! thread.
But not here please.
Quote from: hardstation on August 11, 2013, 12:16:07 AM
Quote from: orangeman on August 11, 2013, 12:14:05 AM
Quote from: hardstation on August 11, 2013, 12:10:24 AM
Quote from: orangeman on August 11, 2013, 12:08:22 AM
Quote from: hardstation on August 11, 2013, 12:06:00 AM
I put the bin out on Thursday night, with clinical execution.
Did you think about it before you put it out ?
Very important.
Yes, it was pre-meditated.
I also hit a wasp a pre-meditated smack after it landed on my arm.
Evil.
Cold and calculating.
I just don't know what to say.
It had it coming.
Dessie Mone definitely has wasp-like tendencies
Monaghan are so July
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Interesting Dick!
Pick 1 & 2 - Monaghan players being dragged
Pick 3 - Tyrone charging.
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Interesting Dick!
You should probably start an Interesting Dick! thread.
But not here please.
Muppet you must win some prize for the most interminable amount of nonsense posted on here. How do you eke out an existence for yourself
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Interesting Dick!
You should probably start an Interesting Dick! thread.
But not here please.
Muppet you must win some prize for the most interminable amount of nonsense posted on here. How do you eke out an existence for yourself
Sells GAA memorabilia of past finals and has the T shirts printed already. Winners 2013 Maigh Eo.
Inda taking them to the Dail on Monday after the final for a big reception dinner and drinks.
Jackie Healy Rae has the Mayo jersey ordered - he used the Dail phone to ring O'Neills in Strabane and has got them to send the bill to the Finance Minister.
Tyrone's hard fought progress through the championship this year has been impressive this year. Can't fail to have been impressed by the way they've put their head down and gone about their business. Now however i can't wait for Mayo to put them away. bunch of crying, moaning wailers. During these episodes its normally unfair to tar the actual team with that brush - its usually the bandwagon supporters - but this time Mickey and the county board are stuck front and centre, leading the moanathon.
Should that not be a "Mone-athon?"
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Interesting Dick!
You should probably start an Interesting Dick! thread.
But not here please.
Muppet you must win some prize for the most interminable amount of nonsense posted on here. How do you eke out an existence for yourself
By dreaming of one day having an existence as important as yours.
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Interesting Dick!
You should probably start an Interesting Dick! thread.
But not here please.
Muppet you must win some prize for the most interminable amount of nonsense posted on here. How do you eke out an existence for yourself
Fúck's sake, man. Robbery.
Quote from: cluaineois on August 11, 2013, 09:00:37 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 10, 2013, 11:58:26 PM
Some whinging from Monaghan, and in fairness, it surprises me.
If Mone hadn't run across to involve himself where he was neither needed nor wanted he wouldn't have had to pathetically simulate.
Now Monaghan (not all of you, just some of you who won't let it go), just suck it up, and shut up.
Absolutely priceless telling monaghan people to suck it up and shut up when you crowd are still bleating on about a game in 1996 which you yourself contributed to recently.
Fosb hasn't said anything priceless since ...... I can't remember when :D
Just another Tyrone bad loser/bad winner syndrome, who interprets taking a stand against tyronies (and their seriously retarded fellow travellers) constantly whining about Penrose's stonewall red card, as "some whinging".
At least there'll be a good crowd the next time Monaghan and Tyrone play.
Monaghan kicked the dung out of Tyrone in the mc Kenna cup final.
I watched it there this morning. Talk about cynical. Monaghan tactics were a disgrace.
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 17, 2013, 09:17:00 AM
Tyrone's hard fought progress through the championship this year has been impressive this year. Can't fail to have been impressed by the way they've put their head down and gone about their business. Now however i can't wait for Mayo to put them away. bunch of crying, moaning wailers. During these episodes its normally unfair to tar the actual team with that brush - its usually the bandwagon supporters - but this time Mickey and the county board are stuck front and centre, leading the moanathon.
I would imagine Mickey and co are gutted at this news.
Jeesz but we love soccer. Lining up and shaking hands before the off, soccer style.
Conor McManus has said the GAA should introduce a red card for cynical fouls in order to stop the tackles that have become a major talking point over the summer.
The Monaghan star was hauled down in sight of goal but outside the square by Tyrone midfielder Sean Cavanagh during the two counties' All-Ireland quarter-final clash. Cavanagh was only given a yellow card and while Monaghan pointed the subsequent free, they went on to lose the match by two points.
The yellow card and free were inadequate punishment in the eyes of many supporters and commentators. Cavanagh himself commented after the match the he would prefer not to be in a situation where the logic of the game dictated he was forced to pull an opponent down.
For his part, McManus acknowledged after the incident that the Tyrone man had little choice but to do what he did.
Speaking to Marty Morrissey on Championship Matters, McManus said: "From a team point of view, if somebody went through on your own defence and he was not stopped you would be disappointed. It is what it is. Tyrone are in an All-Ireland semi-final now and I don't think they are too worried about how they got there."
"It is win at all costs. That is how sport has gone." - Conor McManus
Would a stricter punishment have forced Cavanagh to allow McManus continue through towards goal, possibly altering the result?
"I suppose it probably would have. If Sean Cavanagh knew he was going to get sent off and miss the last 20 minutes of the game, I don't think he would have done it. It would have cost Tyrone ultimately a place in the All-Ireland semi-final. But as it is at the minute, Sean knew he was not going to get a red card and he knew he could take the foul. It was good for Tyrone obviously because they got through."
McManus admits that the overall mentality required by sport at the top level is part of the problem, but says that the GAA could adapt systems from other sports, including a straight red card for taking down players in clear scoring positions.
"It is win at all costs. That is how sport has gone. If somebody was to give any of our men the option of being in an All-Ireland final on Sunday they would all take it. Tackle or no tackle."
"There are definitely some things from other sports that we can apply to Gaelic Games. For example, if Fernando Torres is through in a Premiership game and is taken down it is a straight red card. There has to something along those lines to fit the crime."