Long time Roscommon resident Ruairi has passed away.
R I P.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0605/454791-former-leader-of-rsf-ruairi-o-bradaigh-dies/
Will any of the Sinn Féiners on the GAAboard have any comments or did Ruairi become a non person in 1986?
He was steadfast in his views anyway ... his only problem was that the rest of the world and Irish Nationalism and republicanism were all out of step with him.
Already being discussed on the death notices thread.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2013, 07:11:41 PM
Long time Roscommon resident Ruairi has passed away.
R I P.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0605/454791-former-leader-of-rsf-ruairi-o-bradaigh-dies/
Will any of the Sinn Féiners on the GAAboard have any comments or did Ruairi become a non person in 1986?
He was steadfast in his views anyway ... his only problem was that the rest of the world and Irish Nationalism and republicanism were all out of step with him.
disagreed with him,but total respect for him as a Republican and if you see Gerry Adams put out a statement respecting his principles.RIP
A fine Republican
God Bless
Steadfast, perhaps. But he did nothing useful to bring about a United Ireland.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 05, 2013, 09:58:50 PM
Steadfast, perhaps. But he did nothing useful to bring about a United Ireland.
He is hardly alone there.
RIP Ruairí Ó Brádaigh one of Ireland's finest and a gentleman of the highest order as well. Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam uasal
Stood by his beliefs and a Republican to the end.
A hated Republican is dead. (by unionists anyway)
Next.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 05, 2013, 09:58:50 PM
Steadfast, perhaps. But he did nothing useful to bring about a United Ireland.
For once I agree with the 'Niac ;)
Steadfast in his beliefs.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 05, 2013, 09:58:50 PM
Steadfast, perhaps. But he did nothing useful to bring about a United Ireland.
Any suggestions about what he might have tried?
Quote from: moysider on June 07, 2013, 12:54:29 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 05, 2013, 09:58:50 PM
Steadfast, perhaps. But he did nothing useful to bring about a United Ireland.
Any suggestions about what he might have tried?
Maybe not letting himself become a marginalised and powerless idealistic hardline Republican and moved towards the centre? Even Paisley saw which way the wind was blowing.
We need more Berties and less Bradaighs, no matter how bad that sounds.
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2013, 01:03:51 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 07, 2013, 12:54:29 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 05, 2013, 09:58:50 PM
Steadfast, perhaps. But he did nothing useful to bring about a United Ireland.
Any suggestions about what he might have tried?
Maybe not letting himself become a marginalised and powerless idealistic hardline Republican and moved towards the centre? Even Paisley saw which way the wind was blowing.
We need more Berties and less Bradaighs, no matter how bad that sounds.
But why should he sell out his beliefs to gain power?
Quote from: theticklemister on June 07, 2013, 01:06:16 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2013, 01:03:51 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 07, 2013, 12:54:29 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 05, 2013, 09:58:50 PM
Steadfast, perhaps. But he did nothing useful to bring about a United Ireland.
Any suggestions about what he might have tried?
Maybe not letting himself become a marginalised and powerless idealistic hardline Republican and moved towards the centre? Even Paisley saw which way the wind was blowing.
We need more Berties and less Bradaighs, no matter how bad that sounds.
But why should he sell out his beliefs to gain power?
If he wanted to effect change in the direction he ultimately wanted things to get to it was the only way. Once the Troubles started to die down public opinion became increasingly moderate and voices like Bradaigh's became smaller and smaller with each utterance.
As a man who stayed true to his principle was he a success? Sure.
As a politician, or as someone who impacted the course of politics in the north or south? A near-complete failure.
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2013, 01:11:56 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on June 07, 2013, 01:06:16 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2013, 01:03:51 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 07, 2013, 12:54:29 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 05, 2013, 09:58:50 PM
Steadfast, perhaps. But he did nothing useful to bring about a United Ireland.
Any suggestions about what he might have tried?
Maybe not letting himself become a marginalised and powerless idealistic hardline Republican and moved towards the centre? Even Paisley saw which way the wind was blowing.
We need more Berties and less Bradaighs, no matter how bad that sounds.
But why should he sell out his beliefs to gain power?
If he wants to effect change in the direction he ultimately wants things to get to it's the only way. Once the Troubles started to die down public opinion became increasinly moderate and voices like Bradaigh's became smaller and smaller with each utterance.
As a man who stayed true to his principle was he a success? Sure.
As a politician, or as someone who impacted the course ofRepublican politics? A near-complete failure.
He kept Republican politics straight, he did not steer from course. Others diluted Republican politics; they certainly impacted Republican politics.
Quote from: theticklemister on June 07, 2013, 01:16:05 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2013, 01:11:56 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on June 07, 2013, 01:06:16 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2013, 01:03:51 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 07, 2013, 12:54:29 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 05, 2013, 09:58:50 PM
Steadfast, perhaps. But he did nothing useful to bring about a United Ireland.
Any suggestions about what he might have tried?
Maybe not letting himself become a marginalised and powerless idealistic hardline Republican and moved towards the centre? Even Paisley saw which way the wind was blowing.
We need more Berties and less Bradaighs, no matter how bad that sounds.
But why should he sell out his beliefs to gain power?
If he wants to effect change in the direction he ultimately wants things to get to it's the only way. Once the Troubles started to die down public opinion became increasinly moderate and voices like Bradaigh's became smaller and smaller with each utterance.
As a man who stayed true to his principle was he a success? Sure.
As a politician, or as someone who impacted the course ofRepublican politics? A near-complete failure.
He kept Republican politics straight, he did not steer from course. Others diluted Republican politics; they certainly impacted Republican politics.
Shouldn't the result be king, rather than the method? Twenty years of moderate politics by the likes of Bradaigh when the Troubles died down would have brought a united Ireland closer than simply sticking to his guns. He became what Paisley would have if he continued to shout no.
We're closer today to that goal than any amount of hardline Republicanism would ever have got us.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 05, 2013, 09:58:50 PM
Steadfast, perhaps. But he did nothing useful to bring about a United Ireland.
Just like every other Republican/Nationalist politician/activist then.
His group (RSF) believe that the "army council" of the CIRA is the legimate government of Ireland. He stood by his principals but so does Nick Griffin.
RIP brave warrior.
A principled republican to the last . To those slating his refusal to bow or be broken, there is no point in telling you why as you'll never understand.
Republican objectives is not unification alone, also.
What he did or didn't do in the opinion of people out there, the one thing he did do was remain true to his beliefs, even if some believe it was folly, silly or misguided.
For that alone, he has to be admired and respected.
Quote from: orangeman on June 07, 2013, 12:29:02 PM
What he did or didn't do in the opinion of people out there, the one thing he did do was remain true to his beliefs, even if some believe it was folly, silly or misguided.
For that alone, he has to be admired and respected.
Sorry but isn't this akin to defending the right to march down "the traditional route"?
I do agree with people sticking to their principles rather than jumping ship or band wagon every couple of seconds, but there are also times when our principles are simply outdated, ask for the opinions of those on the garvaghy road for instance.
Quote from: orangeman on June 07, 2013, 12:29:02 PM
What he did or didn't do in the opinion of people out there, the one thing he did do was remain true to his beliefs, even if some believe it was folly, silly or misguided.
For that alone, he has to be admired and respected.
Sorry, but that's something I just can't subscribe to.
I simply don't see how going through your life without ever changing your mind about anything is held up as a virtue. Isn't it a definition of stupidity?
"When the information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?"
Quote from: Hardy on June 07, 2013, 12:49:24 PM
Quote from: orangeman on June 07, 2013, 12:29:02 PM
What he did or didn't do in the opinion of people out there, the one thing he did do was remain true to his beliefs, even if some believe it was folly, silly or misguided.
For that alone, he has to be admired and respected.
Sorry, but that's something I just can't subscribe to. I simply don't see how going through your life without ever changing your mind about anything is held up as a virtue. Isn't it a definition of stupidity?
"When the information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?"
"going through your life without ever changing your mind about anything" is one thing
and
"the one thing he did do was remain true to his beliefs, even if some believe it was folly, silly or misguided" is another thing.
It's facile to suggest O'Bradaigh did not change his mind about anything.
Pretty sure Hardy is making reference to Orangemans comment
Quote from: dillinger on June 06, 2013, 08:25:30 PM
A hated Republican is dead. (by unionists anyway)
Hatred - the favourite feeling of Unionists it seems.
Once more show their true colours.
Like Donaldson ( See SPADS thread) wants to rewrite the Good Friday Agreement to redefine victims to be only those caused by Republican violence.
When will the penny drop on those cnuts that the old bully boy days of their way being the only way are long gone - and it took 30 years of "war" followed by 9 years of waiting for the DUP to recognise the facts- to bring that about.
Quote from: Hardy on June 07, 2013, 12:49:24 PM
Quote from: orangeman on June 07, 2013, 12:29:02 PM
What he did or didn't do in the opinion of people out there, the one thing he did do was remain true to his beliefs, even if some believe it was folly, silly or misguided.
For that alone, he has to be admired and respected.
Sorry, but that's something I just can't subscribe to. I simply don't see how going through your life without ever changing your mind about anything is held up as a virtue. Isn't it a definition of stupidity?
"When the information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?"
Maybe he will be seen as a dinosaur by a lot of people. Not being prepared to change with the times doesn't necessarily make a man stupid. Sticking to his guns ( pardon the pun ) was his right.
Quote from: orangeman on June 07, 2013, 01:43:21 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 07, 2013, 12:49:24 PM
Quote from: orangeman on June 07, 2013, 12:29:02 PM
What he did or didn't do in the opinion of people out there, the one thing he did do was remain true to his beliefs, even if some believe it was folly, silly or misguided.
For that alone, he has to be admired and respected.
Sorry, but that's something I just can't subscribe to. I simply don't see how going through your life without ever changing your mind about anything is held up as a virtue. Isn't it a definition of stupidity?
"When the information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?"
Maybe he will be seen as a dinosaur by a lot of people. Not being prepared to change with the times doesn't necessarily make a man stupid. Sticking to his guns ( pardon the pun ) was his right.
It was the right of some very bad men throughout history, it says nothing about a man's ability or worthiness. Obstinance is more often than not a trait that shouldn't be celebrated and this is clearly one of those cases.
You said no a lot. Bully for you.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 07, 2013, 12:18:45 PM
RIP brave warrior.
A principled republican to the last . To those slating his refusal to bow or be broken, there is no point in telling you why as you'll never understand.
Republican objectives is not unification alone, also.
He held himself (and indirectly the rest of us) to ransom over what was decided by one survivor of the first Dáil.
It seemed his view was that only the realisation of a socialist republic could free us from violence. A general election of almost a hundred years ago over-ruled an All-Island poll of 1994 because of this ransom.
So yes: a principled republican to the last but not a democrat. The latter in my book something far more admirable.
/Jim.
I met Ruari a couple of times when I was in my late teens/early twenties and what I remember most about him was his mild manner and his unfailing affability.
I couldn't imagine Ruari not opening a door for a lady or mugging a granny or anything of the sort.
Definitely a gent of the old school.
While I never got to know him well, I was on familiar terms with a number of his republican fellow-travellers and to a man (and woman) they were prepared to die for their cause.
Seamus "Vicky" Mangan, a teacher at my secondary school was Ruari's greatest fan.
He was extremely proud of the fact that he had been interned alongside O Bradaigh during the 1940s.
Vicky was prepared to die for Ireland – at any time or any place.
Living for Ireland seemed to have been way down his list of priorities.
John Joe McGirl, another of the diehard republican brigade, was a frequent visitor to my family home where he and me oul' fella would spend hours romanticising about a return to the old glory days when there wasn't even the smell of a Brit to be found throughout the land. (BTW, I'm convinced that John Joe was involved in the kidnapping of Shergar.)
The Ireland they hoped to build someday was even more illusory. The island would be peopled by Fíor Gaels who would live in peace and harmony with their neighbours- the same as was the case before the hated English arrived.
The economy would be based on the Israeli kibbutz model and everyone would go to mass on Sundays. The Ireland of their dreams would have no truck whatever with the bigger island across the Irish Sea.
Even as a young kid, I found this a bit hard to swallow as I knew that over half the young people had to sail across the same sea to earn their living. Many homes in my neighbourhood depended heavily on the sent back by their sons and daughters from the land of the enemy.
I felt it prudent not top bring the subject up with the old boy as I'd get a boot up the arse for my trouble. I kept my doubts to myself and also the doubts that were forming about the sanity of the die-for-Ireland brigade.
Later, when I started to teach in Dublin, I met up with a number of old school republicans, including Con Lehane and Albert Price.
Con was a co-founder of Ailtiri na h-Aiséirghe, probably the loopiest of all the loopy political parities that ever saw the light of day. (Not unsurprisingly, the launch took place in the back lounge of the Teachers' Club in Parnell Square in the early hours of a Saturday morning.)
The party was founded in 1942, at the height of World War II, and it supported the Nazis. "My enemy's enemy is my friend," could have been their motto. Incidentally, it was also strongly anti-semite.
It drew support from all quarters with republicans, Sean Treacy and Dan Breen, on the same side as Blueshirts such as Ernest Blythe and Oliver J Flanagan. Sean Sabhat was also a supporter.
Those were indeed crazy times with some equally crazy people to match. Luckily, for the sanity of the nation, the party, or at least the leadership, never went anywhere except perhaps back to the same bar in Parnell Square.
All this was long before my time but I was in Con's company many times after hours in The Teachers' Club, where all present would toast the Fight for Freedom and get pissed as lords every time.
That's where I first met Albert Price who was also a staunch supporter of O Bradaigh.
I was at the protest rally in Newry the week after Bloody Sunday. On the way downhill on the Dublin Road, I literally bumped into Albert. He causally informed me that he was prepared for trouble and if "they" wanted it, he'd give it to them.
"What?" sez I, "whaddya mean?
In response, he pointed to his left shoe and said he had a handgun stuck in his stocking and was prepared to use it if necessary. Believe me, I soon put bodies between his and mine!
So Ruairi has departed the scene and another link with our "glorious" past is severed.
I don't know if he would have done any or all of the things I mentioned above but the individuals I referred to held him in the highest esteem. There were fellow-travellers in every meaning of the term.
No doubt he was sincere in his political beliefs but I can't help feeling that Ireland has become a slightly saner place to be with his passing.
When I think of the likes of Brady [sic], I almost wish I believed in the concept of Heaven and Hell. Or one of them, anyhow.
He was murderous, ruthless and bitterly uncompromising, yet also capable of rank hypocrisy.
In short, a total kunt.
Ireland is a better place for his passing, but it would have been even better had he never been born at all.
On the bright side, at least he got to die in a United Irel... No wait
P.S. Is there any chance he was related to Ian Brady?
Paisley, who preached fire and brimstone and never, never, never until he took the dosh and made a fool of himself and the people that he conned for generations or Ó'Bradaigh ?
Quote from: orangeman on June 07, 2013, 03:25:11 PM
Paisley, who preached fire and brimstone and never, never, never until he took the dosh and made a fool of himself and the people that he conned for generations or Ó'Bradaigh ?
Which would you rather lose, your right bollock or your left?
Anyhow, I hope Lucifer has a Double Cell ready for the two of them when Paisley cops it...
Quote from: ardal on June 07, 2013, 01:10:32 PM
Pretty sure Hardy is making reference to Orangemans comment
I'm pretty sure he was.
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 07, 2013, 03:18:00 PM
When I think of the likes of Brady [sic], I almost wish I believed in the concept of Heaven and Hell. Or one of them, anyhow.
He was murderous, ruthless and bitterly uncompromising, yet also capable of rank hypocrisy.
In short, a total kunt.
Ireland is a better place for his passing, but it would have been even better had he never been born at all.
On the bright side, at least he got to die in a United Irel... No wait
P.S. Is there any chance he was related to Ian Brady?
You really are a disgusting piece of shit you are revelling in another human beings death. What is your interest in being on an Irish GAA website and then coming out with vile shite like this linking a gentleman with Ian Brady. It says a lot about the people who run this place that the type of vulgarity is tolerated
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 07, 2013, 03:04:57 PM
I met Ruari a couple of times when I was in my late teens/early twenties and what I remember most about him was his mild manner and his unfailing affability.
I couldn't imagine Ruari not opening a door for a lady or mugging a granny or anything of the sort.
Definitely a gent of the old school.
While I never got to know him well, I was on familiar terms with a number of his republican fellow-travellers and to a man (and woman) they were prepared to die for their cause.
Seamus "Vicky" Mangan, a teacher at my secondary school was Ruari's greatest fan.
He was extremely proud of the fact that he had been interned alongside O Bradaigh during the 1940s.
Vicky was prepared to die for Ireland – at any time or any place.
Living for Ireland seemed to have been way down his list of priorities.
John Joe McGirl, another of the diehard republican brigade, was a frequent visitor to my family home where he and me oul' fella would spend hours romanticising about a return to the old glory days when there wasn't even the smell of a Brit to be found throughout the land. (BTW, I'm convinced that John Joe was involved in the kidnapping of Shergar.)
The Ireland they hoped to build someday was even more illusory. The island would be peopled by Fíor Gaels who would live in peace and harmony with their neighbours- the same as was the case before the hated English arrived.
The economy would be based on the Israeli kibbutz model and everyone would go to mass on Sundays. The Ireland of their dreams would have no truck whatever with the bigger island across the Irish Sea.
Even as a young kid, I found this a bit hard to swallow as I knew that over half the young people had to sail across the same sea to earn their living. Many homes in my neighbourhood depended heavily on the sent back by their sons and daughters from the land of the enemy.
I felt it prudent not top bring the subject up with the old boy as I'd get a boot up the arse for my trouble. I kept my doubts to myself and also the doubts that were forming about the sanity of the die-for-Ireland brigade.
Later, when I started to teach in Dublin, I met up with a number of old school republicans, including Con Lehane and Albert Price.
Con was a co-founder of Ailtiri na h-Aiséirghe, probably the loopiest of all the loopy political parities that ever saw the light of day. (Not unsurprisingly, the launch took place in the back lounge of the Teachers' Club in Parnell Square in the early hours of a Saturday morning.)
The party was founded in 1942, at the height of World War II, and it supported the Nazis. "My enemy's enemy is my friend," could have been their motto. Incidentally, it was also strongly anti-semite.
It drew support from all quarters with republicans, Sean Treacy and Dan Breen, on the same side as Blueshirts such as Ernest Blythe and Oliver J Flanagan. Sean Sabhat was also a supporter.
Those were indeed crazy times with some equally crazy people to match. Luckily, for the sanity of the nation, the party, or at least the leadership, never went anywhere except perhaps back to the same bar in Parnell Square.
All this was long before my time but I was in Con's company many times after hours in The Teachers' Club, where all present would toast the Fight for Freedom and get pissed as lords every time.
That's where I first met Albert Price who was also a staunch supporter of O Bradaigh.
I was at the protest rally in Newry the week after Bloody Sunday. On the way downhill on the Dublin Road, I literally bumped into Albert. He causally informed me that he was prepared for trouble and if "they" wanted it, he'd give it to them.
"What?" sez I, "whaddya mean?
In response, he pointed to his left shoe and said he had a handgun stuck in his stocking and was prepared to use it if necessary. Believe me, I soon put bodies between his and mine!
So Ruairi has departed the scene and another link with our "glorious" past is severed.
I don't know if he would have done any or all of the things I mentioned above but the individuals I referred to held him in the highest esteem. There were fellow-travellers in every meaning of the term.
No doubt he was sincere in his political beliefs but I can't help feeling that Ireland has become a slightly saner place to be with his passing.
Ruairí was not interned in the 40's he would of been too young he was interned in the 50's and later escaped with his comrade Daithí Ó Conaill
Quote from: Go home ref on June 07, 2013, 08:30:04 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 07, 2013, 03:18:00 PM
When I think of the likes of Brady [sic], I almost wish I believed in the concept of Heaven and Hell. Or one of them, anyhow.
He was murderous, ruthless and bitterly uncompromising, yet also capable of rank hypocrisy.
In short, a total kunt.
Ireland is a better place for his passing, but it would have been even better had he never been born at all.
On the bright side, at least he got to die in a United Irel... No wait
P.S. Is there any chance he was related to Ian Brady?
You really are a disgusting piece of shit you are revelling in another human beings death. What is your interest in being on an Irish GAA website and then coming out with vile shite like this linking a gentleman with Ian Brady. It says a lot about the people who run this place that the type of vulgarity is tolerated
He is loyalist what do you expect,that is their CULTURE.just watch them on the 11th night and Orangefest ;) and you will understand.
Quote from: glens abu on June 07, 2013, 08:33:24 PM
Quote from: Go home ref on June 07, 2013, 08:30:04 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 07, 2013, 03:18:00 PM
When I think of the likes of Brady [sic], I almost wish I believed in the concept of Heaven and Hell. Or one of them, anyhow.
He was murderous, ruthless and bitterly uncompromising, yet also capable of rank hypocrisy.
In short, a total kunt.
Ireland is a better place for his passing, but it would have been even better had he never been born at all.
On the bright side, at least he got to die in a United Irel... No wait
P.S. Is there any chance he was related to Ian Brady?
You really are a disgusting piece of shit you are revelling in another human beings death. What is your interest in being on an Irish GAA website and then coming out with vile shite like this linking a gentleman with Ian Brady. It says a lot about the people who run this place that the type of vulgarity is tolerated
He is loyalist what do you expect,that is their CULTURE.just watch them on the 11th night and Orangefest ;) and you will understand.
Way over the line definitely but let's be honest, trying to group all loyalists together like that insults even more people than he did.
At least he's not as bad as that shower of sh1t outside the Europa today ..... hopefully :o
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2013, 08:44:15 PM
Quote from: glens abu on June 07, 2013, 08:33:24 PM
Quote from: Go home ref on June 07, 2013, 08:30:04 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 07, 2013, 03:18:00 PM
When I think of the likes of Brady [sic], I almost wish I believed in the concept of Heaven and Hell. Or one of them, anyhow.
He was murderous, ruthless and bitterly uncompromising, yet also capable of rank hypocrisy.
In short, a total kunt.
Ireland is a better place for his passing, but it would have been even better had he never been born at all.
On the bright side, at least he got to die in a United Irel... No wait
P.S. Is there any chance he was related to Ian Brady?
You really are a disgusting piece of shit you are revelling in another human beings death. What is your interest in being on an Irish GAA website and then coming out with vile shite like this linking a gentleman with Ian Brady. It says a lot about the people who run this place that the type of vulgarity is tolerated
He is loyalist what do you expect,that is their CULTURE.just watch them on the 11th night and Orangefest ;) and you will understand.
Way over the line definitely but let's be honest, trying to group all loyalists together like that insults even more people than he did.
Oh sorry shouldn't insult loyalists,well I couldn't give a fiddlers if genius and his ilk are insulted.
Quote from: Go home ref on June 07, 2013, 08:30:04 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 07, 2013, 03:18:00 PM
When I think of the likes of Brady [sic], I almost wish I believed in the concept of Heaven and Hell. Or one of them, anyhow.
He was murderous, ruthless and bitterly uncompromising, yet also capable of rank hypocrisy.
In short, a total kunt.
Ireland is a better place for his passing, but it would have been even better had he never been born at all.
On the bright side, at least he got to die in a United Irel... No wait
P.S. Is there any chance he was related to Ian Brady?
You really are a disgusting piece of shit you are revelling in another human beings death. What is your interest in being on an Irish GAA website and then coming out with vile shite like this linking a gentleman with Ian Brady. It says a lot about the people who run this place that the type of vulgarity is tolerated
You should have been here when Thatcher died. I don't doubt for a second that you'd have been equally vocal in your disgust.
Quote from: Go home ref on June 07, 2013, 08:30:04 PM
What is your interest in being on an Irish GAA website and then coming out with vile shite like this linking a gentleman with Ian Brady.
Well as it is a GAA website it's worth pointing out that O'Bradaigh's beloved RSF released a statement after GAA member Ronan Kerr was murder. The same statement commended "the volunteers who risked their lives and their liberty while on this operation."
/Jim.
Quote from: Go home ref on June 07, 2013, 08:31:45 PM
Ruairí was not interned in the 40's he would of been too young he was interned in the 50's and later escaped with his comrade Daithí Ó Conaill
Sorry about that; it was a typo. I'd been re-living fond memories of my old Irish teacher when I wrote that and I guess I took my eye off the ball.
Vicky Mangan had been locked up for most of WWII and was interned again during the 50s where he first met O' Bradaigh.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 07, 2013, 12:18:45 PM
RIP brave warrior.
A principled republican to the last . To those slating his refusal to bow or be broken, there is no point in telling you why as you'll never understand.
Republican objectives is not unification alone, also.
Indeed, a man of strong principles. And he didn't care who died to support them. No tears in this house.
I'm sorry but for me Ruairi Ó Brádaigh was a Dinosaur. He was living in some dream world where he thought that he could completely defeat the british army and security forces by force. He considered meeting them half way as a betrayal. This is the bit I find most stupid about his position. There was no way the IRA could defeat the British in a military fashion and there was no way the British could defeat the IRA either. It was logical that somewhere along the way a compromise would have to be reached as you cannot continue in a un-winable war fueled by only your principles. So Ruairi sat on the outside shouting "traitors" at those that did the deal and ignored an "all ireland" vote on that agreement. What was Ruairi's end game I wonder? He didn't have one that had a remote chance of working in the real world. I've met plenty of his comrades in CIRA & RSF and most of them are brainless idiots, the counterparts of the imbreds that populate the Loyalist paramilitaries. There are a small amount of them that are obsessed with socialism who live in cloud cuckoo land. He had no end game and that was stupid, giving him credit for his refusal to consider an alternative is equally stupid. I'm sure he was a nice man and opened doors for old women but thankfully he had nothing to do with the direction Irish republicanism has taken.
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When I think of the likes of Brady [sic], I almost wish I believed in the concept of Heaven and Hell. Or one of them, anyhow.
He was murderous, ruthless and bitterly uncompromising, yet also capable of rank hypocrisy.
In short, a total kunt.
Ireland is a better place for his passing, but it would have been even better had he never been born at all.
On the bright side, at least he got to die in a United Irel... No wait
P.S. Is there any chance he was related to Ian Brady?
You really are a disgusting piece of shit you are revelling in another human beings death. What is your interest in being on an Irish GAA website and then coming out with vile shite like this linking a gentleman with Ian Brady. It says a lot about the people who run this place that the type of vulgarity is tolerated
This is the 'General Discussion' section of the website. As such, I found it nauseating that a zealot who was responsible for the murder of thousands of entirely innocent Irish people, Protestant, Catholic* and Neither, should be lionised because he was uncompromising in his (anti-democratic) attempt to impose his wishes upon them by the use of naked terror.
I exercised my perfect right to demonstrate that there is another view to the orthodoxy that Brady's hagiographers would seek to impose, an orthodoxy that appears to preach that it doesn't matter what a person does and says, so long as he hates the Brits sufficiently.
And if that "vulgarity" offends your sensitivities, then too bad...
* - See JM's post #40
Uncompromising,steadfast and committed for decades.Alas his dream was never likely to be fulfilled in his lifetime,another Roscommon All Ireland win.
He was a Longfordian and I can't recall ever seeing him at a Ros game.
Well then his dream was even more of a pipe one! Definitely more chance of partition ending ;D
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 08, 2013, 12:28:25 PM
a zealot who was responsible for the murder of thousands of entirely innocent Irish people,
Nothing like exaggerating to create a new truth. ::) and discount the deaths of innocents caused by Brits/RUC/UDR/so called Loyalists/Brit agents/Informers etc.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 08, 2013, 01:05:19 PM
Well then his dream was even more of a pipe one! Definitely more chance of partition ending ;D
Was more into pipe bombs than pipe dreams-sick bastard
God rest him.
Our country and its return from pilage and plantation, oppression and persecution to prosperity and celtic tiger etc has many different phases.
It takes different politics and methods for each phase in each of these era's.
OBradaigh's politics and methods were apt for his era, but once that phase passed by, he became obsolete - much like the modern day has seen the cessation of the IRA etc.
A socialist republic is great, but imo it will never work. it didnt work in russia or cuba or china.
The world revolves around capitalism.
maybe a future phase/era would see a successful socialist nation or nations (as foot/resources become scares and population growth continues) - would human nature ever allow itself to conform for socialism and have everyone adhering to mutual beneficial guidelines ?
I doubt it.
By all accounts there was a confrontation between Ireland's legitimate militia and the West British agents of the illegitimate 26 county statelet(aka the Garda) at Ruairi's funeral today.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 08, 2013, 06:54:23 PM
By all accounts there was a confrontation between Ireland's legitimate militia and the West British agents of the illegitimate 26 county statelet(aka the Garda) at Ruairi's funeral today.
yawn
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Quote from: T Fearon on June 08, 2013, 06:54:23 PM
By all accounts there was a confrontation between Ireland's legitimate militia and the West British agents of the illegitimate 26 county statelet(aka the Garda) at Ruairi's funeral today.
yawn
You don't honestly think Tony is serious, do you?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 08, 2013, 07:14:22 PM
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Quote from: T Fearon on June 08, 2013, 06:54:23 PM
By all accounts there was a confrontation between Ireland's legitimate militia and the West British agents of the illegitimate 26 county statelet(aka the Garda) at Ruairi's funeral today.
yawn
You don't honestly think Tony is serious, do you?
its the attempted WU's that bore me Farr!
So i take it some of the above posts agree with the heavy presence of armed thugs at a mans funeral.
No better than the ruc/ric/pissni , all the same moto , destroy the rm at all costs.
Quote from: sans pessimism on June 08, 2013, 09:21:37 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 08, 2013, 07:14:22 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on June 08, 2013, 06:59:37 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 08, 2013, 06:54:23 PM
By all accounts there was a confrontation between Ireland's legitimate militia and the West British agents of the illegitimate 26 county statelet(aka the Garda) at Ruairi's funeral today.
yawn
You don't honestly think Tony is serious, do you?
its the attempted WU's that bore me Farr!
Everything he said is right, unforuntately.
Family didn't want the Gardai at the funeral and told them such but our lads turned up in riot gear and it turned nasty.
Maybe the guards didn't want masked thugs firing shots over this fellas coffin?
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Quote from: sans pessimism on June 08, 2013, 09:21:37 PM
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Quote from: sans pessimism on June 08, 2013, 06:59:37 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 08, 2013, 06:54:23 PM
By all accounts there was a confrontation between Ireland's legitimate militia and the West British agents of the illegitimate 26 county statelet(aka the Garda) at Ruairi's funeral today.
yawn
You don't honestly think Tony is serious, do you?
its the attempted WU's that bore me Farr!
Everything he said is right, unforuntately.
Family didn't want the Gardai at the funeral and told them such but our lads turned up in riot gear and it turned nasty.
You can pick and choose where you want the Garda to go?
Or maybe they were told there would be no traditional send off, so they could lay off with the intimidation malarkey for a dignified burial to take place.
Lay people probably don't understand what happens not only at republican funerals but comm/functions and protests, the behaviour of the free state mafia is so uncalled for its unbelievable tbh, only for i have seen it first hand. Special branch detectives , showing you their guns on purpose, in a packed o connell street at a peaceful protest, asking your name and address and you have given it to them several times previous, they know this fine well too.
It's a tactic to alienate any movement who opposes the status quo, esp republicanism, they want the general public to ignore our protest so they come in numbers waving guns, it is farcical and who tells them to act in this manner is what i'd like to know.
Maybe they want to make it difficult for people who set themselves up as an illegal army and who think that only they alone are "pure" enough to know what's right for Ireland - no matter what the people may have voted for.( Of course no dissidents = no Sp Branch so they have to keep active or lose their special jobs and go back to real work)
A bit like the Brits in 1919 -21 refusing to acknowledge what the majority of the Irish people had just voted for. ;)
Quote from: larryin89 on June 09, 2013, 10:27:41 AM
Or maybe they were told there would be no traditional send off, so they could lay off with the intimidation malarkey for a dignified burial to take place.
Lay people probably don't understand what happens not only at republican funerals but comm/functions and protests, the behaviour of the free state mafia is so uncalled for its unbelievable tbh, only for i have seen it first hand. Special branch detectives , showing you their guns on purpose, in a packed o connell street at a peaceful protest, asking your name and address and you have given it to them several times previous, they know this fine well too.
It's a tactic to alienate any movement who opposes the status quo, esp republicanism, they want the general public to ignore our protest so they come in numbers waving guns, it is farcical and who tells them to act in this manner is what i'd like to know.
By 'lay people' do you mean the general law abiding Irish people?
Quote from: larryin89 on June 09, 2013, 10:27:41 AM
Or maybe they were told there would be no traditional send off, so they could lay off with the intimidation malarkey for a dignified burial to take place.
Lay people probably don't understand what happens not only at republican funerals but comm/functions and protests, the behaviour of the free state mafia is so uncalled for its unbelievable tbh, only for i have seen it first hand. Special branch detectives , showing you their guns on purpose, in a packed o connell street at a peaceful protest, asking your name and address and you have given it to them several times previous, they know this fine well too.
It's a tactic to alienate any movement who opposes the status quo, esp republicanism, they want the general public to ignore our protest so they come in numbers waving guns, it is farcical and who tells them to act in this manner is what i'd like to know.
These people have little regard for what 'lay people' think.
http://www.shannonside.ie/news/deputy-frank-feighan-defends-his-attendance-at-funeral/
Frank will get a bridge named after him yet ;D
Did the Readymix lorry move in afterwards?
So the riot squad were there basically to ensure that the only thing fired at the graveside was Holy Water over the coffin?
Also ironic that representatives from all Political Parties paid their respects at the funeral or at the home, with the exception of Sinn Fein?
Quote from: T Fearon on June 10, 2013, 03:46:35 PM
So the riot squad were there basically to ensure that the only thing fired at the graveside was Holy Water over the coffin?
Also ironic that representatives from all Political Parties paid their respects at the funeral or at the home, with the exception of Sinn Fein?
There were members of Sinn Fein at the funeral and G Adams released a statement paying respect.
Which Sinn Fein? Republican Sinn Fein or Stormont/Dail Sinn Fein. I believe Gerry Adams' statement contained all of eleven words.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 10, 2013, 04:19:54 PM
Which Sinn Fein? Republican Sinn Fein or Stormont/Dail Sinn Fein. I believe Gerry Adams' statement contained all of eleven words.
Sinn Fein,how many words did you want it to contain,and what didn't it say you would like it to have said.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 09, 2013, 10:27:41 AM
Or maybe they were told there would be no traditional send off, so they could lay off with the intimidation malarkey for a dignified burial to take place.
Who but only a fool would believe them if they did in fact say that there would be no 'traditional' send off !
Pity Tony couldn't be restricted to 11 words, even 11 threads would be a start :D
The Gardai were a disgrace surrounding the mans grave in front of his family I wonder how many of them or of you would like to see that at the funeral of a loved one?
Same Gardai were accused of being a disgrace when they accepted the word of Alan Ryan's gang that shots would not be fired over his coffin.
When a bunch of uniformed (albeit mostly overweight and aged) men show up at funeral as a military "guard of honour", you'll get the guards down on top of you.
Accept that the real oglaigh na h-Eirinn are above in the curragh and that only their members get a military funeral and one will find that the guards won't show up at your funeral.
I saw respect the dead man by wearing a suit, not combats and berets.
/Jim.
Quote from: Go home ref on June 12, 2013, 10:13:45 PM
The Gardai were a disgrace surrounding the mans grave in front of his family I wonder how many of them or of you would like to see that at the funeral of a loved one?
Same medicine for this man.
Funeral of Omagh bomb suspect Seamus McKenna in Louth
A major security operation is in place in County Louth for the funeral of a man suspected of being involved in the 1998 Omagh bombing.
Seamus McKenna, 58, died after he fell from scaffolding while repairing a roof at a school in Dundalk last week.
He was acquitted in a civil action taken by relatives of the bomb victims.
They claimed he was linked to mobile phones used in the 1998 attack, which killed 29 people, including a woman pregnant with twins.
The bombing, in County Tyrone, was carried out by the Real IRA.
Armed checkpoints have been set up on the approach roads to St Mary's Church in Ravensdale and cars are being searched.
Police public order units are on standby along with the mounted unit, the Emergency Response Unit and uniformed police.
The Garda (police) helicopter is monitoring the funeral and officers from the special detective unit are escorting the mourners to prevent any paramilitary display or dissident republican show of strength.
Garda Commissioner Martin Callinan previously warned that the force would not allow any such activity.
On Monday he said: "There is one army in this country and there is one policing service. We will ensure that position remains.
"We do not like being present in any large numbers at a particularly sensitive time when people are burying their loved ones. But we will not allow any display of paramilitarism."
A number of people were charged after dissident republican activity at the funeral of a leading Real IRA member in Dublin in September 2012.
Shots were fired over 32-year-old Alan Ryan's coffin as it left his home. The funeral was accompanied by masked men and women.
What's all this about respecting someone's refusal to change with the times or change his mind in the light of new information? Why should that be admired as a virtue? Youse must have a high opinion of GW Bush in that case. As Colbert said, "we know that what he believes on Wednesday is the exact same thing he believed on Monday, regardless of what happened on Tuesday."
Ignorance is not a virtue. Sticking to failed policies in the face of overwhelming evidence that they're counter-productive is not a virtue.