Just watching the devastation in Oklahoma...how lucky are we in Ireland that we don't get wrecked by tsunamis, tornadoes, twisters, hurricanes, etc, etc.
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 20, 2013, 09:54:15 PM
Just watching the devastation in Oklahoma...how lucky are we in Ireland that we don't get wrecked by tsunamis, tornadoes, twisters, hurricanes, etc, etc.
There was a twister named Dunne in Breffni yesterday and you might have been as happy to see him as me!
Back on topic, as a child I was a bit miffed we didn't have an odd spewing volcano or few fault lines somewhere on our green isle but I now concur we are lucky.
Definitely lucky to not have to deal with it. Nearly every part of america seems to have one disaster or another. In NJ we had that earthquake and some hurricanes. Out in WA now we have one of the largest active volcanoes a couple of hours away..... San Francisco has the gays and Eamonn and Nevada has eathquakes and Puck..... Natural disasters....
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O'Neill and T Fearon?
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 20, 2013, 09:54:15 PM
Just watching the devastation in Oklahoma...how lucky are we in Ireland that we don't get wrecked by tsunamis, tornadoes, twisters, hurricanes, etc, etc.
do you ever go outside? theres the first part of a famine going on right outside your door. we are the top grass growing country on the planet and we are hauling in hay and straw from france.. most of last years spuds werent dug and are being plowed into the ground. i think i heard there were some sheep killed by snowfall in county down.. isnt that near you or was that the other county down ::)
Quote from: lawnseed on May 20, 2013, 10:24:37 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 20, 2013, 09:54:15 PM
Just watching the devastation in Oklahoma...how lucky are we in Ireland that we don't get wrecked by tsunamis, tornadoes, twisters, hurricanes, etc, etc.
do you ever go outside? theres the first part of a famine going on right outside your door. we are the top grass growing country on the planet and we are hauling in hay and straw from france.. most of last years spuds werent dug and are being plowed into the ground. i think i heard there were some sheep killed by snowfall in county down.. isnt that near you or was that the other county down ::)
I think the point is that there is huge risk to human life with the natural disasters mentioned by 5sams. No such risk from the poor grass growth, spud problem or the sheep/snow events we had in Down. To say we have the first part of a famine now is a bit of an insult to the famine itself.
Ill correct ye there, neither were / are a famine
Quote from: The Iceman on May 20, 2013, 10:15:26 PM
Definitely lucky to not have to deal with it. Nearly every part of america seems to have one disaster or another. In NJ we had that earthquake and some hurricanes. Out in WA now we have one of the largest active volcanoes a couple of hours away..... San Francisco has the gays and Eamonn and Nevada has eathquakes and Puck..... Natural disasters....
Hilarious.
Quote from: Aristo 60 on May 20, 2013, 10:29:59 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 20, 2013, 10:24:37 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 20, 2013, 09:54:15 PM
Just watching the devastation in Oklahoma...how lucky are we in Ireland that we don't get wrecked by tsunamis, tornadoes, twisters, hurricanes, etc, etc.
do you ever go outside? theres the first part of a famine going on right outside your door. we are the top grass growing country on the planet and we are hauling in hay and straw from france.. most of last years spuds werent dug and are being plowed into the ground. i think i heard there were some sheep killed by snowfall in county down.. isnt that near you or was that the other county down ::)
I think the point is that there is huge risk to human life with the natural disasters mentioned by 5sams. No such risk from the poor grass growth, spud problem or the sheep/snow events we had in Down. To say we have the first part of a famine now is a bit of an insult to the famine itself.
what??? an insult to the famine you say?? didnt you read my post? half of last years spuds were lost!! vets are flat out putting malnorished cattle out of their misery farmers are topping themselves.. mooooohh!! dont you watch the news? the farmers union in the south estimate the cost of the poor weather to be a billion euro!!! mooooohhh!!! and want simon coveney to apply for european funding.. mooooohhhh DISASTER FUNDING!!!!!!!!!!! IS THAT INSULTING ENOUGH FOR YOU????????????? the secrets in the name disaster etc
Quote from: lawnseed on May 20, 2013, 10:44:20 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on May 20, 2013, 10:29:59 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 20, 2013, 10:24:37 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 20, 2013, 09:54:15 PM
Just watching the devastation in Oklahoma...how lucky are we in Ireland that we don't get wrecked by tsunamis, tornadoes, twisters, hurricanes, etc, etc.
do you ever go outside? theres the first part of a famine going on right outside your door. we are the top grass growing country on the planet and we are hauling in hay and straw from france.. most of last years spuds werent dug and are being plowed into the ground. i think i heard there were some sheep killed by snowfall in county down.. isnt that near you or was that the other county down ::)
I think the point is that there is huge risk to human life with the natural disasters mentioned by 5sams. No such risk from the poor grass growth, spud problem or the sheep/snow events we had in Down. To say we have the first part of a famine now is a bit of an insult to the famine itself.
what??? an insult to the famine you say?? didnt you read my post? half of last years spuds were lost!! vets are flat out putting malnorished cattle out of their misery farmers are topping themselves.. mooooohh!! dont you watch the news? the farmers union in the south estimate the cost of the poor weather to be a billion euro!!! mooooohhh!!! and want simon coveney to apply for european funding.. mooooohhhh DISASTER FUNDING!!!!!!!!!!! IS THAT INSULTING ENOUGH FOR YOU????????????? the secrets in the name disaster etc
I do watch, listen and read the news and I'm fairly sure the people in Oklahoma who are watching, listening and reading their news tonight haven't heard much about Ireland's spuds in the last month or two. But I'm only guessing...
Quote from: Aristo 60 on May 20, 2013, 11:09:03 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 20, 2013, 10:44:20 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on May 20, 2013, 10:29:59 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 20, 2013, 10:24:37 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 20, 2013, 09:54:15 PM
Just watching the devastation in Oklahoma...how lucky are we in Ireland that we don't get wrecked by tsunamis, tornadoes, twisters, hurricanes, etc, etc.
do you ever go outside? theres the first part of a famine going on right outside your door. we are the top grass growing country on the planet and we are hauling in hay and straw from France.. most of last years spuds weren't dug and are being plowed into the ground. i think i heard there were some sheep killed by snowfall in county down.. isn't that near you or was that the other county down ::)
I think the point is that there is huge risk to human life with the natural disasters mentioned by 5sams. No such risk from the poor grass growth, spud problem or the sheep/snow events we had in Down. To say we have the first part of a famine now is a bit of an insult to the famine itself.
what??? an insult to the famine you say?? didn't you read my post? half of last years spuds were lost!! vets are flat out putting malnorished cattle out of their misery farmers are topping themselves.. mooooohh!! dont you watch the news? the farmers union in the south estimate the cost of the poor weather to be a billion euro!!! mooooohhh!!! and want simon coveney to apply for european funding.. mooooohhhh DISASTER FUNDING!!!!!!!!!!! IS THAT INSULTING ENOUGH FOR YOU????????????? the secrets in the name disaster etc
I do watch, listen and read the news and I'm fairly sure the people in Oklahoma who are watching, listening and reading their news tonight haven't heard much about Ireland's spuds in the last month or two. But I'm only guessing...
well sure as long as you don't notice it then its not happening. I'm fairly sure the okies didn't hear about the ulster farmer who tried to sell his starving animals and failed then turned his legally held weapon on them and then on himself.
i fairly sure that the governments have noticed that THIS countries biggest industry and only growth industry is in crisis that must be why they are setting up EMERGENCY COMMITTEES to deal with the "emergency"
i wonder if you'll remember the okies when you paying double for your grocery bill this time next year?
i'll remind you.. when your splitting up a pot noodle
http://wgntv.com/2013/05/20/raw-footage-from-oklahoma-tornado-and-aftermath/
Been glued to CNN since I got in. It's absolutely shocking what damage this has caused. Praying that the kids are in a basement in school or have escaped before it hit. Some have been found at a nearby church, but still more unaccounted for.
Quote from: muppet on May 20, 2013, 10:39:23 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 20, 2013, 10:15:26 PM
Definitely lucky to not have to deal with it. Nearly every part of america seems to have one disaster or another. In NJ we had that earthquake and some hurricanes. Out in WA now we have one of the largest active volcanoes a couple of hours away..... San Francisco has the gays and Eamonn and Nevada has eathquakes and Puck..... Natural disasters....
Hilarious.
Go easy on him. He's finally admitted that being gay is natural.
Could see this death toll climbing quite a bit. Heard some reports from friends over that way saying a primary school was hit and children are missing.
Global warming is going to play havoc on weather systems in the US and Australia.
It will be the poor as usual who pay but thank god for Fox TV who say everything is fine .
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 21, 2013, 04:53:55 AM
Been glued to CNN since I got in. It's absolutely shocking what damage this has caused. Praying that the kids are in a basement in school or have escaped before it hit. Some have been found at a nearby church, but still more unaccounted for.
Surely a school, especially in a town with a tornado history like this one, should have a shelter? Or is that just nanny state, evil liberal talk, like the questions about the West, Texas, fertilizer disaster?
QuoteSurely a school, especially in a town with a tornado history like this one, should have a shelter? Or is that just nanny state, evil liberal talk, like the questions about the West, Texas, fertilizer disaster?
Absolutely, it is a complete no brainer that a school or the like would have a reinforced concrete core where people could shelter if you live in a zone where this type of tornado occurs. Pre-fab schools are one thing in Ireland, but not in a town demolished only 14 years ago by a previous tornado.
Quote from: lawnseed on May 20, 2013, 10:24:37 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 20, 2013, 09:54:15 PM
Just watching the devastation in Oklahoma...how lucky are we in Ireland that we don't get wrecked by tsunamis, tornadoes, twisters, hurricanes, etc, etc.
do you ever go outside? theres the first part of a famine going on right outside your door. we are the top grass growing country on the planet and we are hauling in hay and straw from france.. most of last years spuds werent dug and are being plowed into the ground. i think i heard there were some sheep killed by snowfall in county down.. isnt that near you or was that the other county down ::)
+1
A lot of farmers are on their knees and we re well into another bad summer. Winters (as regards housing and feeding livestock are now 8 months long. It might not be as spectacular as a tornado but it is morale draining and a disaster none the less.
Sadly the suicide rate in the farming community (which has always been high) has increased as a result.
I agree with those on here RE the structure of buildings. You have to question the mentality of someone who sticks up a ramshackle timber frame building right in the middle of the tornado belt.
Endured a full-on typhoon in 1997 in Japan, three days of hell, including 26" of rain in 24 hours; saw - from a distance of about half a mile - a mini-tornado tear the shite out of several streets (again in Japan) in 1999; used to get woken on a not infrequent basis by the tsunami warning system on the Toyogawa river (surprise surprise...in Japan); and then there was the small issue of living in a city built on one of the major tectonic fault lines. All fun and games.
Over 70 people killed in violence in Iraq in the last 24 hours. Yeah but that's not significant.
just in case anyone thinks I'm being unfair to the victims of the Oklahoma tornado i fully sympathise with them and wish them all the luck in the world as they search for survivors.
today's front page of the Irish news spud prices soar fast food prices set to double!! it 'IS' as bad as that.
chicken farmers- those feeding for kentucky etc are reporting heavy fianancial losses due to high concentrate (grain) prices.
Some sad scenes on the news. When Sandy hit NJ we had about 40 volunteers drive across the country from OK and set up camp in our Church parking lot and working with the red cross the fed thousands every day. Hopefully they get all the help they need from across the country.
Quote from: lawnseed on May 21, 2013, 10:26:42 PM
just in case anyone thinks I'm being unfair to the victims of the Oklahoma tornado i fully sympathise with them and wish them all the luck in the world as they search for survivors.
today's front page of the Irish news spud prices soar fast food prices set to double!! it 'IS' as bad as that.
chicken farmers- those feeding for kentucky etc are reporting heavy fianancial losses due to high concentrate (grain) prices.
Ye'know thats the sad part. The only way that a social/personal/financial crisis among farming communities can be approached is by addressing how it impacts consumers. Farming crisis is just not cool enough to sell papers.
Also if spud prices double it will be because the retailers will be importing, not that local growers will be making double. They re probably broke because their crop sunk.
A lad at work ( appalled that farmers might get more aid) said it all. ' Dose this mean that next time we have a good summer, farmers will pay more tax?.
Same lad would have no problem with bank bailouts, nama etc. Farming just isn t cool enough. Never was. We had so much going for us besides.
Iceman, interestingly enough, both of Oklahoma's senators, Coburn and Inhofe, voted against Hurricane Sandy aid. Hmm.....
Quote from: moysider on May 22, 2013, 12:51:02 AM
A lad at work ( appalled that farmers might get more aid) said it all. ' Dose this mean that next time we have a good summer, farmers will pay more tax?.
Same lad would have no problem with bank bailouts, nama etc. Farming just isn t cool enough. Never was. We had so much going for us besides.
Anyone who is not in any way connected with agriculture is often unwittingly oblivious to just how difficult farming is. There is no weekly/fortnightly/monthly pay packet with overtime bonuses etc. It is a struggle from day dot. It really pisses me off when I hear ones commenting on "farmers whinging". Little do they know. But then again milk comes from a cardboard box/plastic bottle.
Quote from: moysider on May 21, 2013, 11:35:54 AM
Sadly the suicide rate in the farming community (which has always been high) has increased as a result.
Very true, apparently there has been a big increase in farmers committing suicide over the past couple of months - presumably due to the fact that it's a relatively isolated existance in that everything that happens comes back to you and you alone.
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 22, 2013, 01:20:19 AM
Iceman, interestingly enough, both of Oklahoma's senators, Coburn and Inhofe, voted against Hurricane Sandy aid. Hmm.....
Watching the news tonight the OK folks themselves said they would be waiting a long time on the government to do what was necessary.
They said the Baptist men are out in force already.
It was Baptists we had come to our aid too.
OK is right in the middle of the Bible Belt. They wil all come together to help their fellow Christians.
Quote from: Aerlik on May 22, 2013, 03:45:36 AM
Quote from: moysider on May 22, 2013, 12:51:02 AM
A lad at work ( appalled that farmers might get more aid) said it all. ' Dose this mean that next time we have a good summer, farmers will pay more tax?.
Same lad would have no problem with bank bailouts, nama etc. Farming just isn t cool enough. Never was. We had so much going for us besides.
Anyone who is not in any way connected with agriculture is often unwittingly oblivious to just how difficult farming is. There is no weekly/fortnightly/monthly pay packet with overtime bonuses etc. It is a struggle from day dot. It really pisses me off when I hear ones commenting on "farmers whinging". Little do they know. But then again milk comes from a cardboard box/plastic bottle.
So is this all farmers or just the smaller type farmers?
What are we to make of the farmers then who are buying new tractors, driving range rovers and generally living the good life?
Are these just grants or are they making money?
Also not that long ago I was reading that farming was just about the only industry that the banks were actually lending too for investment purposes, so to me there seems to be a paradox there. Dont get me wrong I know thats not the case for all farmers.
PS I dont think this thread is the correct place for this discussion but anyway
Quote from: The Iceman on May 22, 2013, 06:35:30 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 22, 2013, 01:20:19 AM
Iceman, interestingly enough, both of Oklahoma's senators, Coburn and Inhofe, voted against Hurricane Sandy aid. Hmm.....
Watching the news tonight the OK folks themselves said they would be waiting a long time on the government to do what was necessary.
They said the Baptist men are out in force already.
It was Baptists we had come to our aid too.
OK is right in the middle of the Bible Belt. They wil all come together to help their fellow Christians.
That's good to see, but it would serve these bible belt types much better if they softened their paranoid, anti-government fanaticism and instituted some building codes and mandated things like storm shelters, especially in schools.
Quote from: J70 on May 22, 2013, 02:41:09 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 22, 2013, 06:35:30 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 22, 2013, 01:20:19 AM
Iceman, interestingly enough, both of Oklahoma's senators, Coburn and Inhofe, voted against Hurricane Sandy aid. Hmm.....
Watching the news tonight the OK folks themselves said they would be waiting a long time on the government to do what was necessary.
They said the Baptist men are out in force already.
It was Baptists we had come to our aid too.
OK is right in the middle of the Bible Belt. They wil all come together to help their fellow Christians.
That's good to see, but it would serve these bible belt types much better if they softened their paranoid, anti-government fanaticism and instituted some building codes and mandated things like storm shelters, especially in schools.
It would and I think unfortunately it took something like this to do that.
OK is also a very poor area. Its all working class and people on the poverty line. Very often we all choose the cheap option and think we'll get away with it. Luckily for most of us we don't pay for that with our lives or the lives of loved ones.
I know if i lived there I wouldn't be building a new house to better code, i'd be taking what I could and all the extended family and heading somewhere else....
Quote from: The Iceman on May 22, 2013, 04:22:21 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 22, 2013, 02:41:09 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 22, 2013, 06:35:30 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 22, 2013, 01:20:19 AM
Iceman, interestingly enough, both of Oklahoma's senators, Coburn and Inhofe, voted against Hurricane Sandy aid. Hmm.....
Watching the news tonight the OK folks themselves said they would be waiting a long time on the government to do what was necessary.
They said the Baptist men are out in force already.
It was Baptists we had come to our aid too.
OK is right in the middle of the Bible Belt. They wil all come together to help their fellow Christians.
That's good to see, but it would serve these bible belt types much better if they softened their paranoid, anti-government fanaticism and instituted some building codes and mandated things like storm shelters, especially in schools.
It would and I think unfortunately it took something like this to do that.
OK is also a very poor area. Its all working class and people on the poverty line. Very often we all choose the cheap option and think we'll get away with it. Luckily for most of us we don't pay for that with our lives or the lives of loved ones.
I know if i lived there I wouldn't be building a new house to better code, i'd be taking what I could and all the extended family and heading somewhere else....
Brilliant tv interview where some tv journalist douche says to a woman, you and your family are blessed, do you thank the lord, surely you thank the lord, do you? She just smirked and said, well actually I'm an atheist. Brilliant, bloody brilliant.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on May 22, 2013, 09:38:39 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 22, 2013, 04:22:21 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 22, 2013, 02:41:09 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 22, 2013, 06:35:30 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 22, 2013, 01:20:19 AM
Iceman, interestingly enough, both of Oklahoma's senators, Coburn and Inhofe, voted against Hurricane Sandy aid. Hmm.....
Watching the news tonight the OK folks themselves said they would be waiting a long time on the government to do what was necessary.
They said the Baptist men are out in force already.
It was Baptists we had come to our aid too.
OK is right in the middle of the Bible Belt. They wil all come together to help their fellow Christians.
That's good to see, but it would serve these bible belt types much better if they softened their paranoid, anti-government fanaticism and instituted some building codes and mandated things like storm shelters, especially in schools.
It would and I think unfortunately it took something like this to do that.
OK is also a very poor area. Its all working class and people on the poverty line. Very often we all choose the cheap option and think we'll get away with it. Luckily for most of us we don't pay for that with our lives or the lives of loved ones.
I know if i lived there I wouldn't be building a new house to better code, i'd be taking what I could and all the extended family and heading somewhere else....
Brilliant tv interview where some tv journalist douche says to a woman, you and your family are blessed, do you thank the lord, surely you thank the lord, do you? She just smirked and said, well actually I'm an atheist. Brilliant, bloody brilliant.
Wished I d seen that. Brilliant.
God bless that woman!
That Wolf Blitzer interview is included in this Slate article:
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/05/prayers_for_oklahoma_wolf_blitzer_and_other_journalists_should_leave_god.html
Quote from: moysider on May 22, 2013, 11:56:40 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on May 22, 2013, 09:38:39 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 22, 2013, 04:22:21 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 22, 2013, 02:41:09 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 22, 2013, 06:35:30 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 22, 2013, 01:20:19 AM
Iceman, interestingly enough, both of Oklahoma's senators, Coburn and Inhofe, voted against Hurricane Sandy aid. Hmm.....
Watching the news tonight the OK folks themselves said they would be waiting a long time on the government to do what was necessary.
They said the Baptist men are out in force already.
It was Baptists we had come to our aid too.
OK is right in the middle of the Bible Belt. They wil all come together to help their fellow Christians.
That's good to see, but it would serve these bible belt types much better if they softened their paranoid, anti-government fanaticism and instituted some building codes and mandated things like storm shelters, especially in schools.
It would and I think unfortunately it took something like this to do that.
OK is also a very poor area. Its all working class and people on the poverty line. Very often we all choose the cheap option and think we'll get away with it. Luckily for most of us we don't pay for that with our lives or the lives of loved ones.
I know if i lived there I wouldn't be building a new house to better code, i'd be taking what I could and all the extended family and heading somewhere else....
Brilliant tv interview where some tv journalist douche says to a woman, you and your family are blessed, do you thank the lord, surely you thank the lord, do you? She just smirked and said, well actually I'm an atheist. Brilliant, bloody brilliant.
Wished I d seen that. Brilliant.
God bless that woman!
Did God not cause the tornado in the first place?
Quote from: NAG1 on May 22, 2013, 08:12:41 AM
Quote from: Aerlik on May 22, 2013, 03:45:36 AM
Quote from: moysider on May 22, 2013, 12:51:02 AM
A lad at work ( appalled that farmers might get more aid) said it all. ' Dose this mean that next time we have a good summer, farmers will pay more tax?.
Same lad would have no problem with bank bailouts, nama etc. Farming just isn t cool enough. Never was. We had so much going for us besides.
Anyone who is not in any way connected with agriculture is often unwittingly oblivious to just how difficult farming is. There is no weekly/fortnightly/monthly pay packet with overtime bonuses etc. It is a struggle from day dot. It really pisses me off when I hear ones commenting on "farmers whinging". Little do they know. But then again milk comes from a cardboard box/plastic bottle.
So is this all farmers or just the smaller type farmers?
What are we to make of the farmers then who are buying new tractors, driving range rovers and generally living the good life?
Are these just grants or are they making money?
Also not that long ago I was reading that farming was just about the only industry that the banks were actually lending too for investment purposes, so to me there seems to be a paradox there. Dont get me wrong I know thats not the case for all farmers.
PS I dont think this thread is the correct place for this discussion but anyway
this thread started with the assertion that we here in ireland are very lucky we dont have natural disasters. whats happening in oklahoma was a disaster and whats still going on here is also a disaster. hailstones here today and the longest day is only around the corner also ferries cancelled due to high winds.
it has long been established on this board that problems in america are much more serious than problems anywhere else and that one american life is worth at least 30 to 40 lives anywhere else
Lawnseed the weather is certainly shifting. I look at the weather back home most days and can't believe the amount of rain and the low temperatures.
Can't be good for farmers, business owners or folk in general.
I moved out to Seattle and the weather here now reminds me of the weather growing up in Ireland. Lots of sunshine, long days and plenty of time spent outside. We came here in February and there's only been maybe 7 days when the kids couldn't play outside. Thats what i remember growing up in Ireland. Those days are long gone now.
Not sue what the answer is. You used to forego the bad winter because you knew a good spring and summer were ahead but that's not the case anymore- you'd be lucky to get a few weeks of a summer now?
Plenty of jobs out here!
Quote from: lawnseed on May 23, 2013, 09:41:09 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on May 22, 2013, 08:12:41 AM
Quote from: Aerlik on May 22, 2013, 03:45:36 AM
Quote from: moysider on May 22, 2013, 12:51:02 AM
A lad at work ( appalled that farmers might get more aid) said it all. ' Dose this mean that next time we have a good summer, farmers will pay more tax?.
Same lad would have no problem with bank bailouts, nama etc. Farming just isn t cool enough. Never was. We had so much going for us besides.
Anyone who is not in any way connected with agriculture is often unwittingly oblivious to just how difficult farming is. There is no weekly/fortnightly/monthly pay packet with overtime bonuses etc. It is a struggle from day dot. It really pisses me off when I hear ones commenting on "farmers whinging". Little do they know. But then again milk comes from a cardboard box/plastic bottle.
So is this all farmers or just the smaller type farmers?
What are we to make of the farmers then who are buying new tractors, driving range rovers and generally living the good life?
Are these just grants or are they making money?
Also not that long ago I was reading that farming was just about the only industry that the banks were actually lending too for investment purposes, so to me there seems to be a paradox there. Dont get me wrong I know thats not the case for all farmers.
PS I dont think this thread is the correct place for this discussion but anyway
this thread started with the assertion that we here in ireland are very lucky we dont have natural disasters. whats happening in oklahoma was a disaster and whats still going on here is also a disaster. hailstones here today and the longest day is only around the corner also ferries cancelled due to high winds.
it has long been established on this board that problems in america are much more serious than problems anywhere else and that one american life is worth at least 30 to 40 lives anywhere else
Our climate is relatively benign so what you consider a disaster is not really comparable to disasters in much of the rest of the world. Nobody starving here.
QuoteI look at the weather back home most days and can't believe the amount of rain and the low temperatures.
All the same, the weather this year in May in Dublin is similar to last year.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 24, 2013, 05:10:46 PM
QuoteI look at the weather back home most days and can't believe the amount of rain and the low temperatures.
All the same, the weather this year in May in Dublin is similar to last year.
I'm comparing it to 20-30 years ago
Weather is gone arse here in Ireland. Constant rain and lower temperatures. Birds, Animals and foliage under constant strain. Farmers will have to re-assess their production levels. The hardest part is living in low sunshine area! You're enthusiasm for the day ahead has to be affected. Even newly born children are now given vitamin D. I cut more turf, because i have a fire on all year, not just from September to May.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTxg-15TfHg
"We don't have those kinds of clouds now. You might see them in the desert"
Market blinds us to dangers of climate change
Foremost reason: civilization built on fossil fuels
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/world/market-blinds-us-to-dangers-of-climate-change-1.1393405
my mate was away for the weekend and got talking to some old weather predicting guru guy who's about 90. wait till you hear this- he reckons the winter we just had was nothing compared to the one thats coming. hes says it will be ten times worse with even lower temperatures, more eastern winds than ever, more snow than we've ever had!! apparently the 'signs' are very bad the worst hes ever saw. this mans supposed to be fairly reliable i'm getting shivers up my spine just thinking about it
Quote from: lawnseed on May 24, 2013, 10:49:20 PM
my mate was away for the weekend and got talking to some old weather predicting guru guy who's about 90. wait till you hear this- he reckons the winter we just had was nothing compared to the one thats coming. hes says it will be ten times worse with even lower temperatures, more eastern winds than ever, more snow than we've ever had!! apparently the 'signs' are very bad the worst hes ever saw. this mans supposed to be fairly reliable i'm getting shivers up my spine just thinking about it
With boys like this about there is little point having The Met Office waste millions on supercomputers.
Quote from: hardstation on May 24, 2013, 11:00:23 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 24, 2013, 10:49:20 PM
my mate was away for the weekend and got talking to some old weather predicting guru guy who's about 90. wait till you hear this- he reckons the winter we just had was nothing compared to the one thats coming. hes says it will be ten times worse with even lower temperatures, more eastern winds than ever, more snow than we've ever had!! apparently the 'signs' are very bad the worst hes ever saw. this mans supposed to be fairly reliable i'm getting shivers up my spine just thinking about it
Paul the Octopus.
"Away for the weekend"
"weather predicting guru"
"about 90"
"10 times worse"
Fcuk off.
Lawnseed do know Armagh4SamAgain?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 24, 2013, 11:03:45 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 24, 2013, 11:00:23 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 24, 2013, 10:49:20 PM
my mate was away for the weekend and got talking to some old weather predicting guru guy who's about 90. wait till you hear this- he reckons the winter we just had was nothing compared to the one thats coming. hes says it will be ten times worse with even lower temperatures, more eastern winds than ever, more snow than we've ever had!! apparently the 'signs' are very bad the worst hes ever saw. this mans supposed to be fairly reliable i'm getting shivers up my spine just thinking about it
Paul the Octopus.
"Away for the weekend"
"weather predicting guru"
"about 90"
"10 times worse"
Fcuk off.
Lawnseed do know Armagh4SamAgain?
::)
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 24, 2013, 04:28:21 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 23, 2013, 09:41:09 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on May 22, 2013, 08:12:41 AM
Quote from: Aerlik on May 22, 2013, 03:45:36 AM
Quote from: moysider on May 22, 2013, 12:51:02 AM
A lad at work ( appalled that farmers might get more aid) said it all. ' Dose this mean that next time we have a good summer, farmers will pay more tax?.
Same lad would have no problem with bank bailouts, nama etc. Farming just isn t cool enough. Never was. We had so much going for us besides.
Anyone who is not in any way connected with agriculture is often unwittingly oblivious to just how difficult farming is. There is no weekly/fortnightly/monthly pay packet with overtime bonuses etc. It is a struggle from day dot. It really pisses me off when I hear ones commenting on "farmers whinging". Little do they know. But then again milk comes from a cardboard box/plastic bottle.
So is this all farmers or just the smaller type farmers?
What are we to make of the farmers then who are buying new tractors, driving range rovers and generally living the good life?
Are these just grants or are they making money?
Also not that long ago I was reading that farming was just about the only industry that the banks were actually lending too for investment purposes, so to me there seems to be a paradox there. Dont get me wrong I know thats not the case for all farmers.
PS I dont think this thread is the correct place for this discussion but anyway
this thread started with the assertion that we here in ireland are very lucky we dont have natural disasters. whats happening in oklahoma was a disaster and whats still going on here is also a disaster. hailstones here today and the longest day is only around the corner also ferries cancelled due to high winds.
it has long been established on this board that problems in america are much more serious than problems anywhere else and that one american life is worth at least 30 to 40 lives anywhere else
Our climate is relatively benign so what you consider a disaster is not really comparable to disasters in much of the rest of the world. Nobody starving here.
Maybe not but livestock are. And the related human misery and in some cases suicides is becoming fairly serious. Not far away another farmer was found hanged 2 days ago. Tornados and starvation are not the only ways to demoralise and kill a man.
Quote from: hardstation on May 24, 2013, 11:14:54 PM
Am I missing some complex satire?
"Away for the weekend" = Can never be traced.
"Weather predicting guru" = He told my mate that.
"About 90" = He should know, he's seen loads of stuff.
"10 times worse" = an amazing calculation.
Any shivers up your spine?
Quote from: moysider on May 24, 2013, 11:24:55 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 24, 2013, 04:28:21 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 23, 2013, 09:41:09 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on May 22, 2013, 08:12:41 AM
Quote from: Aerlik on May 22, 2013, 03:45:36 AM
Quote from: moysider on May 22, 2013, 12:51:02 AM
A lad at work ( appalled that farmers might get more aid) said it all. ' Dose this mean that next time we have a good summer, farmers will pay more tax?.
Same lad would have no problem with bank bailouts, nama etc. Farming just isn t cool enough. Never was. We had so much going for us besides.
Anyone who is not in any way connected with agriculture is often unwittingly oblivious to just how difficult farming is. There is no weekly/fortnightly/monthly pay packet with overtime bonuses etc. It is a struggle from day dot. It really pisses me off when I hear ones commenting on "farmers whinging". Little do they know. But then again milk comes from a cardboard box/plastic bottle.
So is this all farmers or just the smaller type farmers?
What are we to make of the farmers then who are buying new tractors, driving range rovers and generally living the good life?
Are these just grants or are they making money?
Also not that long ago I was reading that farming was just about the only industry that the banks were actually lending too for investment purposes, so to me there seems to be a paradox there. Dont get me wrong I know thats not the case for all farmers.
PS I dont think this thread is the correct place for this discussion but anyway
this thread started with the assertion that we here in ireland are very lucky we dont have natural disasters. whats happening in oklahoma was a disaster and whats still going on here is also a disaster. hailstones here today and the longest day is only around the corner also ferries cancelled due to high winds.
it has long been established on this board that problems in america are much more serious than problems anywhere else and that one american life is worth at least 30 to 40 lives anywhere else
Our climate is relatively benign so what you consider a disaster is not really comparable to disasters in much of the rest of the world. Nobody starving here.
Maybe not but livestock are. And the related human misery and in some cases suicides is becoming fairly serious. Not far away another farmer was found hanged 2 days ago. Tornados and starvation are not the only ways to demoralise and kill a man.
Have seen this mentioned a few times on here. Are there any figures to suggest an increase or it is related to livestock starving? Businesses are going to the wall up and down the country so there more than farmers getting it tight.
Quote from: hardstation on May 24, 2013, 11:14:54 PM
Am I missing some complex satire?
"Away for the weekend" = Can never be traced.
"Weather predicting guru" = He told my mate that.
"About 90" = He should know, he's seen loads of stuff.
"10 times worse" = an amazing calculation.
what.. like i care what you think? the idea that anyone by looking at the 'signs' could tell what the weather will be like in 6 months time doesnt amuse you when experts with millions of pounds worth of equipment cant tell whats going to happen in 24hours.
the man says what he thinks you can chose to believe him and maybe buy more oil/fuel now when its cheaper or do what you like as i'm sure you will
Quote from: hardstation on May 24, 2013, 11:47:15 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 24, 2013, 11:37:26 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 24, 2013, 11:14:54 PM
Am I missing some complex satire?
"Away for the weekend" = Can never be traced.
"Weather predicting guru" = He told my mate that.
"About 90" = He should know, he's seen loads of stuff.
"10 times worse" = an amazing calculation.
what.. like i care what you think? the idea that anyone by looking at the 'signs' could tell what the weather will be like in 6 months time doesnt amuse you when experts with millions of pounds worth of equipment cant tell whats going to happen in 24hours.
the man says what he thinks you can chose to believe him and maybe buy more oil/fuel now when its cheaper or do what you like as i'm sure you will
Ye see, "my mate" was in China the other week and got talking to a boy who was about 34. This boy is right and good with the weather predictions. Talking about the weather in Ireland this coming winter, he said "Ach she'll probably be the same as ye had last year".
Who knows?
i believe there are people in china, alot of people. doubt that you have any mates
Quote from: hardstation on May 24, 2013, 11:57:51 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 24, 2013, 11:55:40 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 24, 2013, 11:47:15 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 24, 2013, 11:37:26 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 24, 2013, 11:14:54 PM
Am I missing some complex satire?
"Away for the weekend" = Can never be traced.
"Weather predicting guru" = He told my mate that.
"About 90" = He should know, he's seen loads of stuff.
"10 times worse" = an amazing calculation.
what.. like i care what you think? the idea that anyone by looking at the 'signs' could tell what the weather will be like in 6 months time doesnt amuse you when experts with millions of pounds worth of equipment cant tell whats going to happen in 24hours.
the man says what he thinks you can chose to believe him and maybe buy more oil/fuel now when its cheaper or do what you like as i'm sure you will
Ye see, "my mate" was in China the other week and got talking to a boy who was about 34. This boy is right and good with the weather predictions. Talking about the weather in Ireland this coming winter, he said "Ach she'll probably be the same as ye had last year".
Who knows?
i believe there are people in china, alot of people. doubt that you have any mates
I don't doubt that you have mates. I do doubt that any of them were let out for the day, nevermind the weekend.
i suppose you dont have a woman either
He has. I've tackled her.
Appreciate your legs. Might be the last.