Will this be a repeat of last year when Kildare ambushed us in the final? Will Kildare have their u-21s available or is the final the week after?
I'm sure we'll see a much improved 1st half performance by Tyrone following the catastrophic first 35 minutes yesterday.
I think we'll see:
Morgan
McCrory (i think someone else should be here instead though)
Justy
McCarron
Joe
Gormley
Clarke
Cavanagh 1
Cavanagh 2
Mark Donnelly
Peter Harte
Penrose
McAliskey
SoN
McCurry
I think must of the 21s will be available as they were largely rested yesterday.
Would love to see this team play on Sunday.
Connolly
P Kelly
Foley
McGrillen
Cribben
Morgan O'F
Bolton
Hurley
Daryl Flynn
O'Callaghan
N Kelly
Dan Flynn
Brophy
O'Connor
Johnson
A real attacking team. I've left off Johnny Doyle as I feel he can really make an impact coming from the bench. We are nearly approaching a fully fit squad for the first time in 2 years, real selection dilemma for the management and a cases can be made for Donnellan, O'Neill, Eoin Doyle, M Conway, E O'F, F Conway, Lyons, Moolick, Dowling, Fogarty, Hyland, Lynch which probably shows that we are starting to develop strength in dept, something that has been a weakness over the last 6 years.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 08, 2013, 11:29:24 AM
I think must of the 21s will be available as they were largely rested yesterday.
Would love to see this team play on Sunday.
Connolly
P Kelly
Foley
McGrillen
Cribben
Morgan O'F
Bolton
Hurley
Daryl Flynn
O'Callaghan
N Kelly
Dan Flynn
Brophy
O'Connor
Johnson
A real attacking team. I've left off Johnny Doyle as I feel he can really make an impact coming from the bench. We are nearly approaching a fully fit squad for the first time in 2 years, real selection dilemma for the management and a cases can be made for Donnellan, O'Neill, Eoin Doyle, M Conway, E O'F, F Conway, Lyons, Moolick, Dowling, Fogarty, Hyland, Lynch which probably shows that we are starting to develop strength in dept, something that has been a weakness over the last 6 years.
Will Hurley be around for the Championship with Oxegen on? McGeeney wasn't impressed 2 years ago, he is a quality player though. Kildare have a very strong panel with the u21 players coming through
Hurley has learned his lesson, sometimes the talented ones just need that kick up the hole to drive them on.
What times throw in?
Not decided yet but I'd be very surprised if the Dubs aren't on second.
I thought Colm Cavanagh was brutal yesterday, in a position where you can get on the ball without being marked or pressurised before recieving it. What does Mickey see in him?
Quote from: Man Marker on April 08, 2013, 02:14:57 PM
I thought Colm Cavanagh was brutal yesterday, in a position where you can get on the ball without being marked or pressurised before recieving it. What does Mickey see in him?
With Aidan Cassidy injured, what was his alternate option? Who is available & a better option than Colm?
Colm wouldn't have been my first pick to put off the field first - at least he showed a bit of energy and enthusiasm in the first half, which was more than many of the team!
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 08, 2013, 11:29:24 AM
I think must of the 21s will be available as they were largely rested yesterday.
Would love to see this team play on Sunday.
Connolly
P Kelly
Foley
McGrillen
Cribben
Morgan O'F
Bolton
Hurley
Daryl Flynn
O'Callaghan
N Kelly
Dan Flynn
Brophy
O'Connor
Johnson
A real attacking team. I've left off Johnny Doyle as I feel he can really make an impact coming from the bench. We are nearly approaching a fully fit squad for the first time in 2 years, real selection dilemma for the management and a cases can be made for Donnellan, O'Neill, Eoin Doyle, M Conway, E O'F, F Conway, Lyons, Moolick, Dowling, Fogarty, Hyland, Lynch which probably shows that we are starting to develop strength in dept, something that has been a weakness over the last 6 years.
Having gone up to Newry yesterday I'd be half tempted to start the whole u21 team! I certainly wouldn't leave Johnny out of the starting 15. He was the only forward to make any real impact yesterday and we lack leaders without him. Johnston was poor and Smith was only slightly better. Daryl picked up a stupid early yellow card and was walking on eggshells afterwards. He badly needs games to get back up to pace.
I know the match was meaningless for Kildare but the backs got a roasting yesterday. Foley who is usually rock solid was dragged all over the place. Centre back remains a big problem. I don't think the experiment of trying O'Neill there is going to be seen again and playing Peter Kelly so far up the field seems pointless. Cribbin impressed again but I think he might be a bit too peripheral being played as a wing back. I thought watching him for the u21s that he should be moved into a more central position where he can get on more ball and be more of an influence on the game.
1 Connolly - he has got to speed up his kickouts
2 Lyons
3 Foley
4 P Kelly
5 McGrillen
6 E Doyle
7 Bolton
8 Daryl Flynn - badly needs a run of games
9 Hurley
10 Daniel Flynn
11 Cribbin
12 Callaghan
13 Smith/Johnston/Brophy/Dowling/Fogarty - whoever is showing the best form
14 J Doyle
15 N Kelly - free role to drop deep and leave Johnny + AN Other inside
I think Brian Flanagan could well find himself straight back in the team if/when he recovers from his knee injury. We are far too porous when teams run at us.
Yesteray won't do Tyrone any harm at all going into this game. Would be great to make it through the final and possibly even getting a crack at the Dubs in Croke again. Hopefully a full high tempo 70 minutes can be produced. I'd like to see the following team:
Morgan
Gormley
Joe McMahon
McCarron (I'm starting to think a fit Carlin could be our best option here)
Clarke
Justy
McNamee
Colm
Sean
Penrose
Harte
Mattie Donnelly
McCurry
O'Neill
Mark Donnelly
There definitely is positions up for grabs in various area's of the pitch. Particularly in the full back line and either midfield or half forward line. I know some non Tyrone people won't agree but I think in the last few years Tyrone have become almost too nice. We've corner backs who won't lay a finger on their opponents. And some of the newer players don't have the same fight as the old guard.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 08, 2013, 06:07:46 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 08, 2013, 11:29:24 AM
I think must of the 21s will be available as they were largely rested yesterday.
Would love to see this team play on Sunday.
Connolly
P Kelly
Foley
McGrillen
Cribben
Morgan O'F
Bolton
Hurley
Daryl Flynn
O'Callaghan
N Kelly
Dan Flynn
Brophy
O'Connor
Johnson
A real attacking team. I've left off Johnny Doyle as I feel he can really make an impact coming from the bench. We are nearly approaching a fully fit squad for the first time in 2 years, real selection dilemma for the management and a cases can be made for Donnellan, O'Neill, Eoin Doyle, M Conway, E O'F, F Conway, Lyons, Moolick, Dowling, Fogarty, Hyland, Lynch which probably shows that we are starting to develop strength in dept, something that has been a weakness over the last 6 years.
Having gone up to Newry yesterday I'd be half tempted to start the whole u21 team! I certainly wouldn't leave Johnny out of the starting 15. He was the only forward to make any real impact yesterday and we lack leaders without him. Johnston was poor and Smith was only slightly better. Daryl picked up a stupid early yellow card and was walking on eggshells afterwards. He badly needs games to get back up to pace.
I know the match was meaningless for Kildare but the backs got a roasting yesterday. Foley who is usually rock solid was dragged all over the place. Centre back remains a big problem. I don't think the experiment of trying O'Neill there is going to be seen again and playing Peter Kelly so far up the field seems pointless. Cribbin impressed again but I think he might be a bit too peripheral being played as a wing back. I thought watching him for the u21s that he should be moved into a more central position where he can get on more ball and be more of an influence on the game.
1 Connolly - he has got to speed up his kickouts
2 Lyons
3 Foley
4 P Kelly
5 McGrillen
6 E Doyle
7 Bolton
8 Daryl Flynn - badly needs a run of games
9 Hurley
10 Daniel Flynn
11 Cribbin
12 Callaghan
13 Smith/Johnston/Brophy/Dowling/Fogarty - whoever is showing the best form
14 J Doyle
15 N Kelly - free role to drop deep and leave Johnny + AN Other inside
I think Brian Flanagan could well find himself straight back in the team if/when he recovers from his knee injury. We are far too porous when teams run at us.
At the moment we we are mixing and matching defensive systems, since the Cork game we seem to have tried something in every game and I think McGeeney, Ryan and Hendy are trying to find a new system to suit the players rather than players to suit a system. So when in the process of changing systems and the way players have been coached you will lose and suffer anomalies such as the Dublin and Tyrone hammerings. Under McGeeney in the Championship we have always been defensively sound but the Cork defeat seems to have cut deep and Einsteins 'Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results' is something he has definitely thought about. He has already changed the coaching set-up, started the process of introducing new players so it stands to reason that systems will also change. If we leave O'Moore after conceding 2 goals or more to Offaly then I'd be worried but not till then, I do however expect to a see a tighter Kildare defence on Sunday.
Cribben needs a freer role I think, he seems to have so much time on the ball and against Laois he just seem able to see so much of what was happening in front of him. At the moment I think he's just been eased back into football, I'm sure he had plenty of demons to deal with on his return from Oz.
Anyhow O'Byrne Cup won, League semi-final and a Leinster U21, been a really good year so far and the fact their is so much positive discussion regarding team selection probably means we are in a much better place than we have been for a good few years.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 08, 2013, 08:14:07 PM
Yesteray won't do Tyrone any harm at all going into this game. Would be great to make it through the final and possibly even getting a crack at the Dubs in Croke again. Hopefully a full high tempo 70 minutes can be produced. I'd like to see the following team:
Morgan
Gormley
Joe McMahon
McCarron (I'm starting to think a fit Carlin could be our best option here)
Clarke
Justy
McNamee
Colm
Sean
Penrose
Harte
Mattie Donnelly
McCurry
O'Neill
Mark Donnelly
There definitely is positions up for grabs in various area's of the pitch. Particularly in the full back line and either midfield or half forward line. I know some non Tyrone people won't agree but I think in the last few years Tyrone have become almost too nice. We've corner backs who won't lay a finger on their opponents. And some of the newer players don't have the same fight as the old guard.
I'd have Mark Donnelly in the FF line, does his best work running towards the opposition 21. I'd also have Matty Donnelly back at 12. McNeice was tried in the sweeper role yesterday and it didn't work too well. Despite alot of vocal criticism I think Matty has had a good league playing in a deeper sweeper role from where he is likely to score little but he is able to link the play very well on the turnover. Most guys seem to see his name on the teamsheet at half-forward and expect him to be contributing a scoring return but I think he is being utilised in a more defensive manner and it seemed to work well in our impressive victories over Mayo, Donegal and Down.
For me McAliskey has delivered the most so far this season as the other FF, have seen little promise from Coney, McCurry or Ronan so far to suggest they deserve a shirt ahead of McAliskey. Colm was poor the last day, takes alot of criticism but he's a curates egg, much like Hughes was. He was outstanding in last year's victory over Armagh but his consistency is poor, varying wildly even during the course of a match. Potential for the sublime but every bit as equally can be a hindrance. Doesn't get the credit for his good performances but some of the heavy criticism can be, at times, warranted.
Justy was poor the last day, would easily have Clarke ahead of him, don't think he should hold onto his spot. McNamee is a real gem, very impressed by his composure. McKenna has shown well to date but was MIA the last day, hoping for a return to form from him.
Anything to be said for Pete to half-back, Joe to wing half, Clarke to FB and Sean Cav to CHF?
Would agree with what you said about Colm Cavanagh. Criticism can be over the top at times though. Wouldn't mind Sean going to centre half forward but not sure what that leaves us in midfield. Really wouldn't be convinced with Colm and Cassidy together.
Stephen O'Neill has just had his most consistent and best league campaign in years. I'm nearly afraid to say that in case I put a curse on him. Would be great if he could stay fit for the summer. An on form O'Neill makes some difference in the forward line.
In relation to Justy he really just needs game time. He hasn't played much county football in the last 2 or 3 years and a run of games now would bring him on a lot. He's got a few games now in league so again hopefully can stay fit to get a good run before the championship. Definite worth his place if fit.
From what i seen of McKenna i play him middle of the field, hows he going to get experience in that position at senior level if you dont try him there. Derry played a lad of 18 in the middle yesterday and he had a great game against a very strong westmeath midfield. McKenna your best bet long term round the middle if you gave him a proper chance.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 08, 2013, 08:54:51 PM
At the moment we we are mixing and matching defensive systems, since the Cork game we seem to have tried something in every game and I think McGeeney, Ryan and Hendy are trying to find a new system to suit the players rather than players to suit a system. So when in the process of changing systems and the way players have been coached you will lose and suffer anomalies such as the Dublin and Tyrone hammerings. Under McGeeney in the Championship we have always been defensively sound but the Cork defeat seems to have cut deep and Einsteins 'Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results' is something he has definitely thought about. He has already changed the coaching set-up, started the process of introducing new players so it stands to reason that systems will also change. If we leave O'Moore after conceding 2 goals or more to Offaly then I'd be worried but not till then, I do however expect to a see a tighter Kildare defence on Sunday.
Cribben needs a freer role I think, he seems to have so much time on the ball and against Laois he just seem able to see so much of what was happening in front of him. At the moment I think he's just been eased back into football, I'm sure he had plenty of demons to deal with on his return from Oz.
Anyhow O'Byrne Cup won, League semi-final and a Leinster U21, been a really good year so far and the fact their is so much positive discussion regarding team selection probably means we are in a much better place than we have been for a good few years.
I didn't expect us to be in this position either and I certainly didn't see McGeeney putting as much faith in the young lads. We're in a much better place than we were last year (win against Tyrone last May papered over the cracks) but I would still like to see a bit more structure particularly in the backs. When it goes wrong for this Kildare team we just lose our shape completely and teams run through us at will. One criticism I'd have of McGeeney is that he sometimes seems to be trying to be a bit too clever. I know positions are a lot more fluid in modern football but I'd still be old school about it. I'd prefer to see more attacking players in the half forwards with defensive players in the half back line and not the other way around!
The younger players will help Kildare to kick on again but I do think we will have to be patient about it and it might take a few years.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 08, 2013, 08:14:07 PM
Yesteray won't do Tyrone any harm at all going into this game. Would be great to make it through the final and possibly even getting a crack at the Dubs in Croke again. Hopefully a full high tempo 70 minutes can be produced. I'd like to see the following team:
Morgan
Gormley
Joe McMahon
McCarron (I'm starting to think a fit Carlin could be our best option here)
Clarke
Justy
McNamee
Colm
Sean
Penrose
Harte
Mattie Donnelly
McCurry
O'Neill
Mark Donnelly
There definitely is positions up for grabs in various area's of the pitch. Particularly in the full back line and either midfield or half forward line. I know some non Tyrone people won't agree but I think in the last few years Tyrone have become almost too nice. We've corner backs who won't lay a finger on their opponents. And some of the newer players don't have the same fight as the old guard.
i agree with the too nice part.All over the field we don't seem to have any niggle. Not saying dirty, but it would be nice to have a couple of " hateful bastards" floating around the back line! ::)
Ronan McNamee has done really well at 7, but id like to see him tried in the full back line. He played there at minor & U21 and looked like a good tight man marker...
Quote from: God14 on April 09, 2013, 08:53:42 AM
Ronan McNamee has done really well at 7, but id like to see him tried in the full back line. He played there at minor & U21 and looked like a good tight man marker...
I thought he looked really laboured on Sunday, was never in front and always chasing. Full back line might suit a lot better with a tighter role.
Will Ronan McNabb be back at all this year?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 08, 2013, 09:34:36 PM
From what i seen of McKenna i play him middle of the field, hows he going to get experience in that position at senior level if you dont try him there. Derry played a lad of 18 in the middle yesterday and he had a great game against a very strong westmeath midfield. McKenna your best bet long term round the middle if you gave him a proper chance.
Are you talking about a different McKenna from the rest of us?
I'd be a lot happier with that FB line RHS as Joe & Conor seem more experienced and dependable than McCrory and Justy. Both of them two I think falls into that category of being too nice & easily bullied out of it.
Would be interesting to see how both would do out on the half back line. Both have pace but don't use it well enough in the FB line as often seem hesitant in case they get caught out.
I presume PJ Quinn is out of the squad or could he come back in? McCarron I think did well last year at wing back and isn't really suited to marking a nippy corner forward. Anybody know when is Carlin due back or what's wrong with him.
Wildweasel I think you're mixing up Mckenna from Eskra who plays wing back with Niall McKenna who used to play at MF. I think he's left the panel this year.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 09, 2013, 10:57:18 AM
I'd be a lot happier with that FB line RHS as Joe & Conor seem more experienced and dependable than McCrory and Justy. Both of them two I think falls into that category of being too nice & easily bullied out of it.
Would be interesting to see how both would do out on the half back line. Both have pace but don't use it well enough in the FB line as often seem hesitant in case they get caught out.
I presume PJ Quinn is out of the squad or could he come back in? McCarron I think did well last year at wing back and isn't really suited to marking a nippy corner forward. Anybody know when is Carlin due back or what's wrong with him.
Wildweasel I think you're mixing up Mckenna from Eskra who plays wing back with Niall McKenna who used to play at MF. I think he's left the panel this year.
Ryan McKenna is from Eglish
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 08, 2013, 09:34:36 PM
From what i seen of McKenna i play him middle of the field, hows he going to get experience in that position at senior level if you dont try him there. Derry played a lad of 18 in the middle yesterday and he had a great game against a very strong westmeath midfield. McKenna your best bet long term round the middle if you gave him a proper chance.
The lman you refer to was 19 on 1st Jan, and it wasn't a strong Westmeath midfield, their main midfilder was rested. But the lad did do well.
Its been a good league campaign for Tyrone, 5 wins is about 2 more than I expected at the offset.
However when you sit down & look at what most of us saw as our objectives after the McKenna cup, im not really sure we are much further on. I remember reading an article of Paddy Heaneys at the time, and he mused that Jim McGuinness know's his starting 15 for May 26th barring injury. But there is so much uncertainty albeit potential as well from a Tyrone perspective. He felt that we needed to work on finding out our best 15.
Mickey is about 75% through a complete rebuilding job. He doesnt appear to have an idea of his preferred starting 15 yet. Thats not a criticism of the manager in anyway, its just a reflection of how indivuals have progressed & regressed on the panel as a whole.
Niall Morgan & to a lesser extent Ronan McNamme have broken through and would be considered by most supporters at this stage as certs now for the Donegal game. But for a varierty of reasons there are a whole host of players were there are mixed opinions, grey area's & uncertainties
Full back Line - Justy & McCrory have regressed. Obviously Justin has had his injury problems. McCrory has been asked to do some really dirty jobs, but he has struggled.
Half Back - Ryan McKenna has shown flashes, but hasnt really grabbed the bull by the horns. Looks like a year too soon for me.
Midfield - the old chestnut, havnt been convincing at all, and needs addressed
Half forwards - McNiece, Kane, Matty Donnelly, Penrose etc all seem to be on the same level. Not much to choose between them, They are all hard working players. However winning breaking ball, playmaking & occasional score taking was what was hoped for. We didnt see too much of it.
Full forwards - for me McAliskey has been the brighest newcomer in the full forward line, but at times Mickey seemed hesitant to select him. Ronan O'Neill isnt over his injury problems and it may well be next year before he's back to himself, due to the nature of his injury. McCurry lost alot of game time with niggly injury's as well, and as a result didnt make the progress that id hoped he would. Kyle Coney hasnt completed a game, although looks certain now to be available for the Donegal game.
This league campaign has probably thrown up more questions than answers which is frustrating. Plenty of jerseys are there for the taking. The collective effort of the group has been good and is a credit to the manager. Ten wins out of 12 games played to date reflects that. We just need a 2 or 3 more individuals to really step it up to the next level.
Lads, to keep throwing up this we won 10 out of the 12 games is just reassuring ourselves. We won 5 out of 7 league games. The Mc kenna cup is irrelevant as is saying we did well to get it back to one point against Kerry( because Kerry tried badly due to be not as fit as us, they only started training about 6 weeks ago FGS, where as we have been at since December)
I posted a very negative summary yesterday of how I feel about Tyrone but the fact is Man Marker that we almost topped Div 1 having brought in a raft of new players.
For a team that's in transition we've done very well to get to a league semifinal and maybe final.
Personally I am worried that we don't have the quality we had back in the noughties but compared to where other teams rebuilding such as Armagh I'm a lot happier.
I think we've a good chance of winning Ulster and depending on who we meet we could get to an AI semi final. We've got as many good players as Donegal had last year though maybe no Michael Murphy.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 09, 2013, 12:44:45 PM
I posted a very negative summary yesterday of how I feel about Tyrone but the fact is Man Marker that we almost topped Div 1 having brought in a raft of new players.
For a team that's in transition we've done very well to get to a league semifinal and maybe final.
Personally I am worried that we don't have the quality we had back in the noughties but compared to where other teams rebuilding such as Armagh I'm a lot happier.
I think we've a good chance of winning Ulster and depending on who we meet we could get to an AI semi final. We've got as many good players as Donegal had last year though maybe no Michael Murphy.
I thought we still had one :D
As I expected
Sunday, April 14
Allianz Football League Division I Semi-Finals
Tyrone v Kildare, Croke Park, 2pm
Dublin v Mayo, Croke Park, 3.45pm
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 09, 2013, 10:57:18 AM
I'd be a lot happier with that FB line RHS as Joe & Conor seem more experienced and dependable than McCrory and Justy. Both of them two I think falls into that category of being too nice & easily bullied out of it.
Would be interesting to see how both would do out on the half back line. Both have pace but don't use it well enough in the FB line as often seem hesitant in case they get caught out.
I presume PJ Quinn is out of the squad or could he come back in? McCarron I think did well last year at wing back and isn't really suited to marking a nippy corner forward. Anybody know when is Carlin due back or what's wrong with him.
Wildweasel I think you're mixing up Mckenna from Eskra who plays wing back with Niall McKenna who used to play at MF. I think he's left the panel this year.
I think Carlin was stripped out on Sunday, can't say for definite but think I seen him taking part in the warm up at start of game so he couldn't be that far off from being ready. Although dont know if he would solve any of our defensive problems.
Is it just me or is anyone else sick at the sight of the all white strip.
Carlin will be a major improvement in there and that shows us where we are.. My fear is that Carlin will not be the snappy quick influence for a fair while yet, until he gets game time.
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 09, 2013, 09:45:37 PM
Is it just me or is anyone else sick at the sight of the all white strip.
We are a walking talking Crisp advert. I have a vision of the Sam maguire filled with Honky dortys in the next year or two.
Quote from: LeoMc on April 09, 2013, 01:44:06 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 09, 2013, 12:44:45 PM
I posted a very negative summary yesterday of how I feel about Tyrone but the fact is Man Marker that we almost topped Div 1 having brought in a raft of new players.
For a team that's in transition we've done very well to get to a league semifinal and maybe final.
Personally I am worried that we don't have the quality we had back in the noughties but compared to where other teams rebuilding such as Armagh I'm a lot happier.
I think we've a good chance of winning Ulster and depending on who we meet we could get to an AI semi final. We've got as many good players as Donegal had last year though maybe no Michael Murphy.
I thought we still had one :D
Apparently we don't, according to the Tyrone club page he has left the panel. :-[
We're desperately short of cover in Midfield if thats the case, Aidan Cassidy injured and injury prone as well.
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 09, 2013, 09:45:37 PM
Is it just me or is anyone else sick at the sight of the all white strip.
Couldn't agree more. I always liked the white jerseys with the red shorts but I used to hate it when we'd play Derry and have to wear all white. Apparently years ago we always wore white with hardly any red.
Carlin sure has his faults, like his passing and making rash decisions but he's one of our few terrier like tacklers who works hard and is more suited to the smaller nippy corner forwards like McBrearty or Dublin's McManamon.
What do others think of Ryan McKenna now he's got a good run in the team?
I'll be VERY surprised if Mickey doesn't persist with McCrory at corner back for the summer
Mickeys back 6
McCrory
Justy
Gormley
McKenna
Joey
McNamee
Fuzzy's Fav 6
Carlin
Joey
Gormley
Petey
Justy
McNamee
Isnt it alarming how Carlins star has steadily risen on here over the last couple of months, yet he hasnt kicked a ball...
This is his 11th season with the senior team & he has never really nailed down a place.
The January optimism has well and truely worn off for me, sorry lads.
One for you Tyrone Heads
Brian McGuigan (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/wins-and-wars-227573.html)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 10, 2013, 12:16:37 PM
One for you Tyrone Heads
Brian McGuigan (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/wins-and-wars-227573.html)
Cheers for that Dinny, A very interesting read. Still a biteen bitter and outspoken (he is his father's son!), however,he clears up a few loose ends following his article last year. Those minor wins in 97/98 really were vital for the 03, 05 and 08 successes. Who knows what would have happened if those narrow wins were narrow defeats.
I wonder are Kildare's current crop of underage players their golden generation??
I suppose it makes sense that players like Declan O'S and Gooch will have issues with us more than say Kerry defenders. They probably had to put up with a lot of "stuff" I'd say with Ricey and Gormley marking them whereas Tomas O'Sé probably was not receiving the same sort of attention.
I'd imagine Stephen O'Neill wouldn't be overly pally with say Neil McGee in the last few years either.
It's a good interview and I think he's being very honest, even if a tad biased of course.
When ye read about his eye problems it brings it all back to you what he went through and how hard it must have been for him just cos some lad targeted him in a club reserve match.
Re Kildare OG. It sure could be an interesting time for McGeeney to follow in Harte's footsteps. Take a team from U21 level through to a senior All Ireland. I don't know will they won the U21 one though. I'd say McGuinness would love to have a few more talented U21's coming through.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 10, 2013, 12:16:37 PM
One for you Tyrone Heads
Brian McGuigan (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/wins-and-wars-227573.html)
Thanks for that Dinny. One of my favourite Tyrone players ever, a real class act. It might well be true that he was half the player after his eye injury but he was still key to Tyrone. I recall him coming on with 20 minutes to go in the 2008 final and almost everything Tyrone did in attack after that went through him.
I know his articles have caused some controversy and probably lost him a bit of support in some places. At least he is honest, albeit at times you wonder is he almost too honest. Good luck to him, he more than did his bit for Tyrone.
Yep - to be fair to McGuigan he speaks his mind whether you think it's the right thing to say or not in print.
Is the younger lad Shea county standard?
Hi guys,
Tactical preview of Tyrone vs Kildare now up http://action81.com/blog/?p=7081
Emmet
Cany anyone copy and past McGuigans interview in as work has this website blocked?
Very interesting and honest interview with Brian.He says what he thinks,much like big Frank.It mightn't be to everyone's liking but it's refreshing to see instead of the usual bland stuff players come out with.
Quote from: bogball88 on April 11, 2013, 09:38:28 AM
Cany anyone copy and past McGuigans interview in as work has this website blocked?
For some reason the link isn't working now BB88
I'll have a look again later.
Quote from: bogball88 on April 11, 2013, 09:38:28 AM
Cany anyone copy and past McGuigans interview in as work has this website blocked?
Here you are (apologies for lack of paragraphs, posting from my phone)
In the glory days he was so glorious that Frank became better known as Brian McGuigan’s dad. These days Brian McGuigan sees himself mostly as little Cara and Jack McGuigan’s father. Everything in his and Jennifer’s life revolves around them. When you’d initially arranged to meet, he had to cancel: sorry, have to mind the kids. When Mickey Harte told him in November he’d have to train six times a week if he were to play for Tyrone in 2013, he had to say no – too much time away from the kids. Back in the day when they were carefree and single, Kevin ‘Hub’ Hughes and himself would hit the town together and paint it red. Now when they meet up with their wives it’s for a meal and while they still talk a bit about football they find themselves talking even more about their kids. There’s more to him than being just a father and husband of course. He’s a publican. And he remains a club player, still lacing them up for Ardboe. Just last weekend they won the Ulster club league, beating Ballinderry in the final in Carrickmore, his wee brother Shay firing over the points, and Brian typically providing the ammunition. Later that evening they all convened to Forbes, the bar he helps run, where they held a night at the races to raise funds for the team. He’s deliberately taken a step back in the dressing room this last year or two, let some of the other lads be the ones to speak up, but when there’s a score to be carved out or taken or a bob or two to be raised, he’d like to think he’ll still be the one to roll up the sleeves and get it for the club. For the most part it’s a quiet and contented life he lives now but at times he shakes his head and wonders. Often it’s with a smile. He recalls the first time he met this journalist, 10 years ago, when I went up to Ardboe to interview his dad. Back then Brian was too shy to go on the record then which was fine because Frank had enough to say for both of them in a hugely personal, revealing interview, but Brian did agree to stand in for the photograph, in the background, in his father’s shadow, because in the public consciousness that’s exactly where he stood in the McGuigan household. Now when he looks back at that photo of his 23-year-old self shyly, almost furtively, smiling, he’s struck by how slim he was. “Just where did those 10 years ago?” he smiles again. “They just flew! I thought we’d play forever.” Sometimes though he looks back with a frown because he’s just about able to look at anything at all. To this day his eyesight is still impaired after that shocking, cowardly hit he was subjected to in a club game back in 2007. For days he was blind, his eye having been effectively squashed. For weeks he could not lift his head. Instead he had to lie face down towards the floor and peer through a face-hole on his bed to watch the flat-screen TV his family had positioned on the ground; if he lifted his head at all, to even go the toilet, he was told he could lose his sight for good. A year later he would be back winning another All-Ireland. It’s probably the most cherished of the lot. 2003 was for Tyrone, 2005 was for Cormac, 2008 was for himself and Mickey Harte and the faith they had that he could come back. But he was probably only half the player he was because he could see only half of what he once could. And that still eats a bit of him. “I’d still have a lot of anger about that to this day. I’m more or less working off one eye. I have to wear this special lens but I still have no peripheral vision on my left side. I feel I’ve lost out a lot on life. To lose so much of your sight through playing football is hard to take.” Regrets so, he has a few. Like not having studied more and got a few more qualifications to his name. “It’s only when you’re finished playing inter-county that you see how much your whole life was centred around it. I’ve been doing some work with the GPA this year, talking to students, about how to make sure they don’t neglect their studies and their (professional) career. Darren Fay told them the same thing. He won an All-Ireland when he was just a young fella and got offered a job, won another All-Ireland and someone gave him a better job but when the bust came and that job went he had no qualification to fall back on. “I did a higher national diploma in sports studies after school and went over to Bradford to study some more but after six weeks I dropped out because between the U21s and the club football was going well. I went working on the sites and was making so much from it I didn’t want to go back to college and forgot all about it. Now I’m working in the bar and it’s going ok but it’s getting tougher all the time. I’ve nothing to fall back on so I told those young lads not to make the same mistake I did.”So in the scheme of things Killarney’s not that big a deal. Yeah, it’s another regret. Not so much what he wrote about it but rather what he did down there, that he was even down there at all. ” But,” as he says, “you take chances in life and you have to accept sometimes they don’t work.” This time last year he was not playing with the county either and wasn’t missing it a bit. But then Tyrone had a bit of an injury crisis and Mickey Harte and Stephen O’Neill both came calling. “Stevie came down to my house before training one night and said that the team could really do with me back. Mickey had already been on to me a few times through the year so when he called again two weeks before the championship I found it very hard to turn him down. He’d done so much for my career and been through so many hard times I felt I owed it to the man.” McGuigan didn’t want to go back in before the opening round against Armagh lest it would distract and even demotivate some teammates, so he and Harte agreed he’d watch that game in the Athletic Grounds like an ordinary supporter before returning to training the following Tuesday night. Teammates welcomed back with open arms and then when Harte brought him on in the closing minutes of the Ulster semi-final against Donegal, he sparked a late if ultimately failed revival. His cameo a month later against Kerry though had no upside. In his eyes, Tyrone were doomed from the moment the draw was made. Normally they’d relish the challenge of Kerry. This time, deep down, they feared it. Too many of the veterans like Sean Cavanagh were out injured. Too many of the young fellas didn’t have the mindset or belief or application to win major honours. “Going down I was thinking to myself it was probably the game we didn’t want and it was the game Kerry did want. We might have had a chance if it was in Omagh but not down there. They still had most of their players that had played us in the glory years and they were definitely hurting and we knew that the crowd was going to be really behind them. A tide was coming at us and on the day we just couldn’t stop it.” McGuigan couldn’t stop his frustration from showing either. Only minutes after he was brought on and with Kerry in complete control he was cynically fouled by Declan O’Sullivan in a game littered with cynical fouls from both teams. When O’Sullivan protested his innocence to the referee, a furious McGuigan charged from behind to elbow the Kerryman in the midriff. O’Sullivan went down, David Coldrick’s red card went up. And with that both the contest and Brian McGuigan’s inter-county career was over. “It was pure stupidity on my part. There was a lot worse that went on in that game but it had got to the point someone had to go and for pure stupidity alone I deserved it. I got away with a few things like that over the years but that day I didn’t and it was only right I didn’t. It had no bearing on the result, Kerry were going to win well anyway, but the way they were able to hold on to the ball with the extra man, it was embarrassing. After we came in to the dressing room I apologised to Mickey and when he called us into a huddle I asked him if he could let me speak to the boys so he did. I apologised to the boys but be honest I couldn’t look them in the eye. I kept looking at the floor.” The career might have finished there but not the controversy. A few days later McGuigan wrote his weekly column for Gaelic Life in which he had some withering observations about a couple of Kerrymen, including Colm Cooper and especially Declan O’Sullivan, accusing them of standoffish and unsporting behaviour through the years. “The one thing that is going to stick with me is the sight of Declan O’Sullivan smiling and sniggering when he got me sent off,” wrote McGuigan at the time. “People might turn around and say I got (Down’s) Gregory McCartan sent off in an Ulster final (2003), but as I’ve said before, I never wanted to get him sent off. I regretted that he was. O’Sullivan, however, I felt was more than happy to have got me the line.” McGuigan also outlined they had a bit of previous. Two years earlier when Tyrone beat Kerry in a league game in Omagh thanks to a scrambled injury-time goal from Colm Cavanagh, McGuigan sought out O’Sullivan to shake his hand but claims he was rebutted. Such an unflattering portrayal of one of Kerry’s stars did not go down well in the Kingdom. McGuigan is loath to reheat the flames of that article, as much as he has no regrets about writing it. “It’s how I felt at the time and when I write a column I don’t tell any lies. If I do I’m only cheating the people who buy that paper.” What he does find rather unfortunate is that some of the more complimentary remarks he had to make about Kerry players and personalities went largely unreported in all the rehashes and summaries there was of his column. They didn’t mention that he’d mentioned that Paul Galvin had sent him a signed jersey during those lonely, anguished months in 2007 when he feared he might never see or play again; that gesture was sincerely appreciated by McGuigan. Likewise the get-well-card he received from Jack O’Connor around the same time; that he’d found Tomás Ó Sé a “gentleman” and the pair of them had got on “like a house on fire” on All Star trips. If he had gone on he could have said the same about Eoin Brosnan from their time playing for Ireland in the 2004 International Rules series. There’s a fuller picture involving his relationship with Kerry but it would be a falsehood that fuller picture didn’t involve uglier elements. “Maybe I have the wrong perception but it’s my perception that there were a few Kerrymen that never accepted Tyrone as force that beat them,” he says now. “If a different team like a Dublin had beaten them they could have accepted it better.” At the heart of it all was Tyrone’s yearning to be respected by Kerry. When respect wasn’t shown on one side, the other took umbrage. But that respect was there, mutually, if begrudgingly. They might not have gone on, O’Sullivan might have rubbed him up the wrong way, but McGuigan can’t deny O’Sullivan was the other great centre half forward of the noughties. “Look, Declan O’Sullivan and Colm Cooper are two of the best footballers of our generation. The only man I’ve seen mark O’Sullivan out of a game was Cormac McAnallen (in the 2003 All Ireland semi-final) – and back then Declan would have been only 19 and playing at full forward. He’s so skilful and direct; the only way you can really stop him is by fouling him. “It just annoyed me that after that game in Omagh he wouldn’t shake my hand, that he just walked off. But maybe that’s a sign of how much he just hated being beat. Maybe he’s a bit like me that way because I always hated losing too. The next time we meet it could be awkward because of what I wrote but it’s what I thought and felt at the time. I can’t take away from the man’s football. ” McGuigan also took some more heat for a recent column which painted an unflattering picture of the future state of Kerry football but again he believes they need to be viewed in their proper context. “Look, I have the greatest respect for Kerry football. With the players they have, I’d put them right up with Dublin as favourites for this year’s All-Ireland. But what I said in that article was they haven’t got the same standard of players coming through. That’s just a fact. If there had been structures in place they might have but the reality is they don’t have that same quality of player coming through. But then who has?” Looking back, Kerry made him. While his career finished in defeat by Kerry, the moment that defined his Tyrone team and their incredible emergence was a victory against Kerry – August, 1997. With the last kick of an All-Ireland minor semi-final Mark Harte equalised in Croke Park, then scored 12 points in an epic replay in Parnell Park. Mark’s father though was the real catalyst for it all. “What made our team different to any other Tyrone team was Mickey Harte created this mindset that when we’d go down to Dublin we didn’t care who we were playing. I think that came back from his own minor days when the rest of the team were maybe happy to win Ulster and give a decent showing in Croke Park and that would be it but Mickey wasn’t the same as the other boys he played with. We could easily have lost to Kerry in ’97 and it would have been the same old story but once we beat them our team felt it didn’t matter who were playing, we were going to win.” Now he finds Tyrone supporters expect their team to win every time; that in a way Harte has created a monster that sometimes threatens to devour him. McGuigan believes they need to be patient but only for so long – unlike this past year or two, this Tyrone team will seriously threaten for honours – if Sean Cavanagh and Stephen O’Neill remain fit. McGuigan’s old clubmate Gavin Devlin has injected some fresh enthusiasm into the management team. Unlike last year, the players are totally committed. Harte is insisting on nothing less. With that meant saying farewell to McGuigan, or McGuigan saying farewell to him. It was without acrimony; together they won six All Irelands through the grades and years. Come next month and the lead up to the Donegal game he might wish he was out there but that moment will pass. He’s happy enough where he is, in the stands, knowing that while he no longer can see it all, he did it all, down on that field. His wins over Kerry, not his war of words with them, are what will endure.
Doyle in right frame of mind for Tyrone challenge
Kildare defender sees bigger picture beyond National League semi-final
The first thing Kildare need to get right going into Sunday's Allianz Football League semi-final against Tyrone is their frame of mind, according to defender Eoin Doyle, and the rest should take of itself.
Defeat to Down in the last round hasn't helped, and Kildare also lost out to Sunday's opponents in the round before that, when Tyrone came to Newbridge and beat them handily, by six points. "That is something we will want to put right at the weekend," says Doyle. "But I don't think the games in the past are going to make an awful lot of difference to what is going to happen on Sunday. It's a new game, new players on the pitch, all that."
For such a young man, just turned 22, Doyle has a deceiving maturity, and a deceptively strong physique to go with it: he was one of the finds for Kildare last year, and underlined it with his league form this year, and looks to the bigger picture, beyond Sunday's showdown at Croke Park.
Indeed Kildare beat them to claim the Division Two title this time last year, although Doyle they are among the in-form teams. "Luckily enough we got the win against them in the Division Two final but then this year they came up to Newbridge and gave an exhibition of football.
"They are serious opposition, you have to play them to actually realise how good they are. The two Cavanaghs (Seán and Colm) are doing very well in the middle of the field, Stephen O'Neill at full forward is a very good target man. But again they could have a totally different team out at the weekend so you have to take every game on its merit and prepare for it."
Kildare Under-21s
So too could Kildare, especially if manager Kieran McGeeney was to call on more of his under-21 players. But with their place booked in the All-Ireland semi-final against Galway on Saturday week, McGeeney will be keeping them fresh – although their absence, and perhaps distraction, is no excuse for Kildare's heavy defeat last Sunday, when Down won 3-13 to 1-12 (but were still relegated).
"Maybe Down were that bit hungrier on the day, they were fighting for survival. We went up to win the game, but we'll look at it, because if we don't improve we'll find ourselves on the wrong end of the result in the semi-final.
"But they (Kildare's under-21s) are a very good outfit, are a very ambitious group of players. they are also very talented and are hungry to win and that's what you want. They have had an impact on our team which is what the management have been looking for. It's extremely good and they have an All-Ireland semi-final, that they are more than capable of winning."
Kildare still appear capable of winning this league title, and could do with it – the only one of Sunday's four semi-finalists never to win it. (Dublin last won in 1993, Mayo in 2001, and Tyrone in 2003.)
"Every competition you enter you want to win," says Doyle, perfectly diplomatically. "But I don't think our overall ambition was to win the league. It was to win our first match and we went from there and it took us to the league semi-final. We'll learn from the matches we have lost and try and improve on that against Tyrone because if we don't improve we'll be on the wrong side of the result.
"At the start of the league, we took each game on its merit. We didn't look past any other game and we'll go into the semi-final against Tyrone and look to win that. We won't be looking at any league final. If we come out of the right side of it then we'll think about winning the final but there's no point thinking about the final if you're not in it. So it's all guns blazing for the weekend.
"But it's the number of games, the quality of the opposition you are playing, that's been the difference for me. We're happy to be playing in Division One and happy to be staying here for next year. Hopefully we can win our semi-final and that will put us in good stead for Offaly in the summer."
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/doyle-in-right-frame-of-mind-for-tyrone-challenge-1.1357133
is the game on tv?
Yeah its on TG4 and Premier sports
I'll have a spare ticket for this one (Lower Cusack), should anyone be looking for one -- just PM me (first come first served). :)
Edit: it's free (cost me nothing).
Jusr read there that mcgeeney has been in charge for 5 seasons and d2 is all he has won.
Quote from: seafoid on April 11, 2013, 06:14:20 PM
Jusr read there that mcgeeney has been in charge for 5 seasons and d2 is all he has won.
Yip. Who would have thought out of McGeeney and McGuinness taking managerial jobs it would be Jimmy siting with 2 provincials and Sam. All in less than half the time too.
Comórtas: Sraith Náisiúnta Peil
Cluiche: Tír Eoghain v Cill Dara
Ionad: Páirc an Chrócaigh
Dáta: 14-04-13 @ 2.00pm
1 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc
2 PJ Quinn Baile na Móna
3 Conor Clarke An Omaigh
4 Cathal McCarron An Droim Mór
5 Dermot Carlin Coill an Chlochair
6 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
7 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
8 Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
9 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
10 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
11 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
12 Mark Donnelly An Charraig Mhór
13 Martin Penrose An Charraig Mhór
14 Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
15 Darren McCurry Éadan na dTorc
16 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
17 Aidan Cassidy Eochar
18 Conan Grugan An Omaigh
19 Plunkett Kane Oileán a'Ghuail
20 Connor McAliskey Cluain Eo
21 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
22 Ciaran McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
23 Ryan McKenna Eaglais
24 Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin
25 Patrick McNiece Oileán a'Ghuail
26 Sean Warnock An Caisleán Glas
Don't think anyone would have guessed that team!! Big chance starting PJ and Carlin after being injured all year but guessing Harte feels they need game time at this level ahead of the championship. Justy must be injured again which is disappointing. Interesting that he's actually name Mattie at centre half back. He's effectively played that role a few times anyway this year. At least it will stop people complaining about him not scoring because he's named in forwards.
Wow, PJQ back in the corner, Dermy Carlin back in the half-backs, and Matty Donnelly CHB!
Interesting.
Fair play Mickey. Keep them all guessing. Block at wing back.
Great to see those changes. Niggling thoughts about the defence so unsettled before the Championship but something had to be changed.
Had a feeling that is the team Mickey was going to name ;)
Very interesting selection which could either be a master stroke or a disaster. We are crying out for a couple of tenacious sticky defenders and PJ and Carlin tick all those boxes. Their lack of game time is a worry but they've been around for a long time and know what it takes to cut the mustard. Disconcerting that there is such a significant change to the defence this close to May, however, as O'Neill points out something needed to be done.
Let's hope the intensity levels match the 2nd 35 minutes at the weekend and we increase our efficiency in front of goal. A run out in the division 1 final would be a real bonus and something of a novelty for us Tyrone fans.
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 11, 2013, 09:33:37 PM
Had a feeling that is the team Mickey was going to name ;)
Very interesting selection which could either be a master stroke or a disaster. We are crying out for a couple of tenacious sticky defenders and PJ and Carlin tick all those boxes. Their lack of game time is a worry but they've been around for a long time and know what it takes to cut the mustard. Disconcerting that there is such a significant change to the defence this close to May, however, as O'Neill points out something needed to be done.
Let's hope the intensity levels match the 2nd 35 minutes at the weekend and we increase our efficiency in front of goal. A run out in the division 1 final would be a real bonus and something of a novelty for us Tyrone fans.
I'd argue that PJ and Carlin have been around a long time and haven't cut the mustard, but some changes had to be made and it will be interesting to see how that team fares.
Very ballsy selection by Harte. Looking forward to this now. Hoping to see something more from McCurry.
With harte's tendency to use the subs, and the lack of creative options on the bench, you'd have to fancy Conan Grugan to make his senior debut this weekend. At HQ. I hope so, good prospect.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 11, 2013, 09:44:37 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 11, 2013, 09:33:37 PM
Had a feeling that is the team Mickey was going to name ;)
Very interesting selection which could either be a master stroke or a disaster. We are crying out for a couple of tenacious sticky defenders and PJ and Carlin tick all those boxes. Their lack of game time is a worry but they've been around for a long time and know what it takes to cut the mustard. Disconcerting that there is such a significant change to the defence this close to May, however, as O'Neill points out something needed to be done.
Let's hope the intensity levels match the 2nd 35 minutes at the weekend and we increase our efficiency in front of goal. A run out in the division 1 final would be a real bonus and something of a novelty for us Tyrone fans.
Doesn't mean he's cut the mustard but PJ when fit is normally part of the first 15. Back as far as 09 he started in that years All Ireland semi final. Carlin has always been in and out of the team. Decent player but needs to watch his distribution. Would prefer to see Clarke get a go at half back.
I'd argue that PJ and Carlin have been around a long time and haven't cut the mustard, but some changes had to be made and it will be interesting to see how that team fares.
I'd like to see Sludden getting a run out, accepted he's not in the squad.
By knowing what it takes to cut the mustard I meant that they aren't young fellas who are green around the ears. They've played in big matches in Croke park and have experienced the intensity and quality of top class opposition.
Will we see the Kildare u-21s at the weekend?
Mickey keeping a lot of men thinking about where they fit in this year. Competition strong in squad although disappointed that Murphy pulled the pin. Would have liked to see McAliskey get a full 70 in HQ as I think he could be a serious player for us this year.
1. Mark Donnellan (Maynooth)
2. Ollie Lyons (Celbridge)
3. Michael Foley (Athy)
4. Hugh McGrillen (Celbridge)
5. Peter Kelly (Two Mile House)
6. Eoin Doyle (Naas)
7. Paul Cribbin (Johnstownbridge)
8. Daryl Flynn (Moorefield)
9. Pádraig O'Neill (St Laurence's)
10. Daniel Flynn (Johnstownbridge)
11. Niall Kelly (Athy)
12. Eoghan O'Flaherty (Carbury)
13. Seán Johnston (St Kevin's)
14. Alan Smith (Sarsfields)
15. John Doyle (Allenwood)
McAliskey should be getting more time. probably our best player in the McKenna Cup deserves a run to see if hes good enough which i think he is. Another player who has been harshly treated is Plunkett Kane. He pulled us from the flames against Dublin st Patrick's Weekend and hasn't had a sniff since, as has Aiden Cassidy made a good impact against Donegal when brought on hasn't seen much action since despite Tyrone having lost every midfield battle in the league so far bar the Kildare game i Can see why Murphy pulled the Pin Harte still has his favourites. Another thing thats came to my attention is why has Mark Donnelly only been given a chance at 26/27 to play for Tyrone by Mickey Harte?he had been playing for Carrickmore in Divison One since he was 16 their main man in attack for many years marking and giving his fill to the best defenders in the county and always looked after himself well, he had all the signs that his off the field temperament fitted the criteria Harte was after with him been a school teacher and all that.Still baffles me to this day a man like that only making his debut at 26/27 or something.Hes been the countys best player for Two seasons now dont understand why we as Tyrone supporters had to wait so long to see him in a Tyrone Jersey. Alot of Good players in the County have had restricted County careers or in some cases no county Career whatsoever despite seemingly been good enough to the naked eye watching Club football week in week out as Much as i Like Mickey Harte hes a weird weird operator.
Think the Tyrone side is a bit of a gamble by Harte parachuting two lads in with little or no game time.
Would think Kelly better at CHB for Kildare with Hurley or lynch at mf instead of Oneill
The only place for Connor is mf too - as he is a waste/bottleneck at ff so agree with leaving him out
Look forward to seeing this game. Jason Ryan's presence now turning Kildare into real contenders now!
Look forward to seeing the master Harte turning this new squad into contenders. I think he is nearly there!
PJ Quinn - I think most of us weren't happy with McCrory recently and how he stands off his man so much
3 Conor Clarke - Justy and Gormley have played here but Clarke looks the most natural FB I think
4 Cathal McCarron - Is probably deserving of his place though struggles against nippy corner forwards
5 Dermot Carlin - Replaces McKenna who to me has struggled a bit in the last few games but has had a good run to test him out. I suppose Carlin is one of our better defenders and deserves his chance to prove can he nail down a place for the summer.
6 Matthew Donnelly - Will be interesting to see does he stay at CHB or does big Joe come back here to sweep. Maybe Matthew will do a man marking job leaving Joe more freedom to sweep and set up attacks and score.
7 Conor Gormley - I can't work this one out. Will he line out at wing back? Will be an interesting experiment if he does. We know he can drive forward and maybe sees him playing a Tomas O'Sé role.
The others are no great surprises with maybe Joe at wing forward a big of a surprise.
Am looking forward to seeing how McCurry does in Croker and Penrose needs to get off to a good start or he'll probably be first to be called aside.
Peter Harte can count himself very lucky still to have the No. 11 jersey. Personally id have switched him to 5, but he couldnt have any complaints if he was given 18 or 19. I think Ronan McNamee is the most hard done by of the players to make way. Granted he wasnt great versus Kerry (who was?), but up until that point I thought he was a nailed on starter for 26th May.
Radical changes by Hartes track record. Cant remember such a turnover in personel so close to championship. He must have been really rattled by that first 35mins against Kerry.
PJ Quinn was a shock inclusion, I wasnt even aware that he was back training with the squad. Im pleased to see him back in there, and he represents another good option to what has been a troublesome position.
Has Tommy McGuigan made himself available again? (Thought he was due back in March)
Mickey has panic all over this, as I said in an earlier post he is going back to the team that got stuffed in Killarney. Seriously, to play the two wing half backs he has played in the league and then drop them, same forward line as last summer. The only serious change is the CHB, but in actual play it will not be alot of difference. Midfield can't be sorted, brother Colm is a poor mans Enda Mc Ginley, surprised Joe doesn't get that role.
Tommy McGuigan would be some way off the required levels for county football at the minute.He's only recently resumed training but has done serious rehab over the winter.
I would rather see Tommy concentrating on club affairs where he is a massive player for us instead of going back to the county and being used sparingly.
Article from the Belfast Telegraph
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/revenge-in-air-for-tyrone-29192363.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/revenge-in-air-for-tyrone-29192363.html)
Ten years have elapsed since Tyrone last won the Allianz Football League title and players such as Sean Cavanagh, Conor Gormley and Joe McMahon feel this is a famine which must be ended this month.
The Red Hands will face Kildare in Sunday's semi-final parading a plethora of players who have yet to share in the major league honour level and who instead, like their more experienced colleagues, have bitter memories of last year's Division Two final defeat by the Lily Whites.
And this is what Cavanagh in particular feels can fire up the Red Hands for Sunday's renewal of rivalry with Kieran McGeeney's side.
When the teams met in Newbridge last month Tyrone came out on top but Cavanagh insists that this will have no bearing on Sunday's contest.
"We lost to Kildare in the divisional final last year and although we got the better of them last month, that was certainly no measure of revenge for us," says Cavanagh.
"We were beaten by Kerry last weekend and back to back defeats would not be viewed as the best preparation for our forthcoming Ulster Championship tie against Donegal."
Cavanagh believes Tyrone can lay down a marker for the league crown, not just by overcoming Kildare again but by the manner of their performance.
"We want to try and put last Sunday's loss behind us and show what we are capable of, now that we are back in Croke Park," adds Cavanagh.
"The league is approaching a fascinating climax and we certainly want to be in the final."
Gormley has been regaining his best form after injury and helped to stabilise the defence last week-end when Kerry were threatening to run riot after building up an 11 points lead.
The Carrickmore clubman is anxious to see Tyrone get into their stride early against Kildare, a team for which he has a high regard.
"Kildare have been there or thereabouts for the past few years and will be very keen to land the league title. We will need to be on top of our game if we are to get into the final against Dublin or Mayo," declares Gormley.
The Red Hands defence was certainly pummelled in the first-half against the Kingdom, until manager Mickey Harte took remedial action and, in the end, his side lost by just a solitary point.
Kildare's fitness, work ethic and physicality could potentially pose equally big problems for the Red Hands, especially if they manage to win break ball in the middle third of the park.
In Henry McGrillan, Emmet Bolton, Darryl Flynn, Johnny Doyle, Tómas O'Connor and Peter Kelly, Kildare have solid, durable players who are particularly keen to land medals as their careers begin to nose into the veteran stage.
Manager McGeeney, a devotee of quick, direct play has watched the team mix the good, the bad and the ugly this year but their familiarity with Croke Park could stand to them on this occasion.
Joe McMahon will have an important role in the Tyrone side in terms of helping to shore up gaps and launch counter-attacks, while Peter Harte will also be deployed in a similar role as manager Harte seeks to restrict Kildare's counter-attacking efficiency.
McMahon's versatility has been a key element of Tyrone's progress to date this year and, while he accepts that the more experienced corps can set the template for Sunday's display, he suggests that the hunger being shown by the newer faces could help trigger the team's entry in the league decider.
"We have young guys in there who are very hungry for medals and that's a good thing.
"This is helping to keep the rest of us on our toes and if we can get a good team effort going on Sunday we won't be far away.
Another competitive game in the league final would be ideal championship preparation," asserts McMahon.
Tyrone: N Morgan; P J Quinn, C Clarke, C McCarron; D Carlin, Matthew Donnelly, C Gormley; C Cavanagh, S Cavanagh; Joe McMahon,P Harte, Mark Donnelly; M Penrose, S O'Neill, D McCurry.
Henry McGrillan? Never ceases to amaze me how sloppy GAA journos can be at times.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on April 12, 2013, 03:26:13 PM
Henry McGrillan? Never ceases to amaze me how sloppy GAA journos can be at times.
McGrillen and Peter Kelly are hardly beginning to 'nose towards the veteran stage' either!
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 12, 2013, 09:13:12 AM
Would think Kelly better at CHB for Kildare with Hurley or lynch at mf instead of Oneill
Lynch hasn't reached anywhere near the same level of form since he returned from his injury. I would be surprised if Hurley doesn't start come the championship. Midfield has been a problem area since injuries to Earley and Flynn but with the height of Cribbin and Dan Flynn on the wings Kildare should have better options to vary the kickouts this year.
I don't know how many of the Tyronies on here were at the match in Newbridge but I thought Peter Harte was Tyrone's most effective player that day on the forty.
Was at that match DH, and yes, agree, young Peter did well.
Stop whinging Tyrone lads about the Defence reorganisation FFS! That has been the biggest gripe this year so far, so MH does something concrete about it and swings the axe! Get over it, there are options on the bench should the Lilywhites run riot.
This is the type of game to find out exactly who's ready for the white hot heat of Mac Cumhail Park next month, and there's only the one way to find out.
Can't understand how some Tyrone posters are so negative about the league campaign. A lot of people were predicting relegation at the start of the year. Instead they've won 5 matches and finished 2nd in division whilst using 28 players along the way. Can only imagine the thoughts of the same posters if they'd been relegated.
I know people will point to last weeks match as showing weaknesses. But at the end of the day Tyrone lost a game which effectively meant nothing to them by a point against a good Kerry team. The first half was awful but I'm sure the team will learn from it. People have complained that Harte was slow to make changes but maybe he was happy to let it run and see how the team coped and expose weaknesses ahead of the championship.
It's a decent team starting on Sunday. Still question marks over the defence but a lot of the players who didn't perform well last Sunday have been dropped which is maybe a good sign to be sending out to them. The people who were complaining about last weeks defence are now complaining about the changes!!
Going to be tough for PJ and Carlin but they need a run out like this ahead of the championship. Any word on McNabb? I wouldn't be overly surprised if that was the midfield and forward line come championship. McCurry still has a lot to improve but I would have high hopes for him. Concerned about our lack of midfield options. Pity McGinley hadn't hung around for a few more years - would have been a good option from the bench if nothing else.
Nice to be heading back to Croke Park for a league semi final. We haven't been to one in a good few years and would be great to get back to the final and get another big test ahead of the championship.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 13, 2013, 08:43:43 AM
Can't understand how some Tyrone posters are so negative about the league campaign. A lot of people were predicting relegation at the start of the year. Instead they've won 5 matches and finished 2nd in division whilst using 28 players along the way. Can only imagine the thoughts of the same posters if they'd been relegated.
I know people will point to last weeks match as showing weaknesses. But at the end of the day Tyrone lost a game which effectively meant nothing to them by a point against a good Kerry team. The first half was awful but I'm sure the team will learn from it. People have complained that Harte was slow to make changes but maybe he was happy to let it run and see how the team coped and expose weaknesses ahead of the championship.
It's a decent team starting on Sunday. Still question marks over the defence but a lot of the players who didn't perform well last Sunday have been dropped which is maybe a good sign to be sending out to them. The people who were complaining about last weeks defence are now complaining about the changes!!
Going to be tough for PJ and Carlin but they need a run out like this ahead of the championship. Any word on McNabb? I wouldn't be overly surprised if that was the midfield and forward line come championship. McCurry still has a lot to improve but I would have high hopes for him. Concerned about our lack of midfield options. Pity McGinley hadn't hung around for a few more years - would have been a good option from the bench if nothing else.
Nice to be heading back to Croke Park for a league semi final. We haven't been to one in a good few years and would be great to get back to the final and get another big test ahead of the championship.
I wouldn't be negative about the league performances up to now but it doesn't mean that I'm not concerned about the team for the championship. What a lot of people are commenting on is that the first half of the Kerry game (and the Cork game a few weeks ago) highlighted the weaknesses that the Tyrone team have had going back to 2009 and its clear that they haven't been addressed. We still don't have a man marker, we still don't have a viable midfield partner for Sean and we still carry the ball into the tackle far too often. These weaknesses have been brutally exposed by Cork, Dublin and Kerry in big championship matches in the past 4 years and we are no closer to solving the problems and going back to PJ and Dermy isn't the answer. We have been compensating for having no ball winning midfielder for years - why has our development squads not produced one? We have flooded our defence to cover the act we don't have a man marker - again why are we not addressing this issue rather than compensating for it? I have 100% faith in Mickey Harte and hope that he can pull off another All Ireland, but I fear that come Croke Park in August we could get brutally found out again.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 13, 2013, 01:13:23 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 13, 2013, 08:43:43 AM
Can't understand how some Tyrone posters are so negative about the league campaign. A lot of people were predicting relegation at the start of the year. Instead they've won 5 matches and finished 2nd in division whilst using 28 players along the way. Can only imagine the thoughts of the same posters if they'd been relegated.
I know people will point to last weeks match as showing weaknesses. But at the end of the day Tyrone lost a game which effectively meant nothing to them by a point against a good Kerry team. The first half was awful but I'm sure the team will learn from it. People have complained that Harte was slow to make changes but maybe he was happy to let it run and see how the team coped and expose weaknesses ahead of the championship.
It's a decent team starting on Sunday. Still question marks over the defence but a lot of the players who didn't perform well last Sunday have been dropped which is maybe a good sign to be sending out to them. The people who were complaining about last weeks defence are now complaining about the changes!!
Going to be tough for PJ and Carlin but they need a run out like this ahead of the championship. Any word on McNabb? I wouldn't be overly surprised if that was the midfield and forward line come championship. McCurry still has a lot to improve but I would have high hopes for him. Concerned about our lack of midfield options. Pity McGinley hadn't hung around for a few more years - would have been a good option from the bench if nothing else.
Nice to be heading back to Croke Park for a league semi final. We haven't been to one in a good few years and would be great to get back to the final and get another big test ahead of the championship.
I wouldn't be negative about the league performances up to now but it doesn't mean that I'm not concerned about the team for the championship. What a lot of people are commenting on is that the first half of the Kerry game (and the Cork game a few weeks ago) highlighted the weaknesses that the Tyrone team have had going back to 2009 and its clear that they haven't been addressed. We still don't have a man marker, we still don't have a viable midfield partner for Sean and we still carry the ball into the tackle far too often. These weaknesses have been brutally exposed by Cork, Dublin and Kerry in big championship matches in the past 4 years and we are no closer to solving the problems and going back to PJ and Dermy isn't the answer. We have been compensating for having no ball winning midfielder for years - why has our development squads not produced one? We have flooded our defence to cover the act we don't have a man marker - again why are we not addressing this issue rather than compensating for it? I have 100% faith in Mickey Harte and hope that he can pull off another All Ireland, but I fear that come Croke Park in August we could get brutally found out again.
I would share a lot of the concerns above. We clearly are stuck for a top class corner back and a real ball winning midfielder. I simply don't think the players are there so Harte is having to compensate by getting the right system in place. Even the best corner backs struggle if they're exposed anyway. I think there was signs against Donegal of the system working. With a good defensive screen in place and players rotating the sweeper role to ensure the players getting forward were fresh. It worked well that day.
I certainly think we're in a better position at the minute than we were for the championship last year. The younger players have got another year behind them, more players have got game time and the team have a tough league campaign in division 1 under their belts. Sean Cavanagh being available is a huge plus too. Stevie O'Neill is in as good a form as he has been in a long time another big plus. Let's hope the injuries stay away for the summer.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 13, 2013, 01:40:44 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 13, 2013, 01:13:23 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 13, 2013, 08:43:43 AM
Can't understand how some Tyrone posters are so negative about the league campaign. A lot of people were predicting relegation at the start of the year. Instead they've won 5 matches and finished 2nd in division whilst using 28 players along the way. Can only imagine the thoughts of the same posters if they'd been relegated.
I know people will point to last weeks match as showing weaknesses. But at the end of the day Tyrone lost a game which effectively meant nothing to them by a point against a good Kerry team. The first half was awful but I'm sure the team will learn from it. People have complained that Harte was slow to make changes but maybe he was happy to let it run and see how the team coped and expose weaknesses ahead of the championship.
It's a decent team starting on Sunday. Still question marks over the defence but a lot of the players who didn't perform well last Sunday have been dropped which is maybe a good sign to be sending out to them. The people who were complaining about last weeks defence are now complaining about the changes!!
Agh dry yer eyes, Cant listen to this drivel any time anybody comments on a team selection. RHF would you would rather us all be a lemming.
Any season ticket not being used tomorrow?
Cloudy miserable day here in Dublin. Clearing up well now with loads of blue sky.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 13, 2013, 01:40:44 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 13, 2013, 01:13:23 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 13, 2013, 08:43:43 AM
Can't understand how some Tyrone posters are so negative about the league campaign. A lot of people were predicting relegation at the start of the year. Instead they've won 5 matches and finished 2nd in division whilst using 28 players along the way. Can only imagine the thoughts of the same posters if they'd been relegated.
I know people will point to last weeks match as showing weaknesses. But at the end of the day Tyrone lost a game which effectively meant nothing to them by a point against a good Kerry team. The first half was awful but I'm sure the team will learn from it. People have complained that Harte was slow to make changes but maybe he was happy to let it run and see how the team coped and expose weaknesses ahead of the championship.
It's a decent team starting on Sunday. Still question marks over the defence but a lot of the players who didn't perform well last Sunday have been dropped which is maybe a good sign to be sending out to them. The people who were complaining about last weeks defence are now complaining about the changes!!
Going to be tough for PJ and Carlin but they need a run out like this ahead of the championship. Any word on McNabb? I wouldn't be overly surprised if that was the midfield and forward line come championship. McCurry still has a lot to improve but I would have high hopes for him. Concerned about our lack of midfield options. Pity McGinley hadn't hung around for a few more years - would have been a good option from the bench if nothing else.
Nice to be heading back to Croke Park for a league semi final. We haven't been to one in a good few years and would be great to get back to the final and get another big test ahead of the championship.
I wouldn't be negative about the league performances up to now but it doesn't mean that I'm not concerned about the team for the championship. What a lot of people are commenting on is that the first half of the Kerry game (and the Cork game a few weeks ago) highlighted the weaknesses that the Tyrone team have had going back to 2009 and its clear that they haven't been addressed. We still don't have a man marker, we still don't have a viable midfield partner for Sean and we still carry the ball into the tackle far too often. These weaknesses have been brutally exposed by Cork, Dublin and Kerry in big championship matches in the past 4 years and we are no closer to solving the problems and going back to PJ and Dermy isn't the answer. We have been compensating for having no ball winning midfielder for years - why has our development squads not produced one? We have flooded our defence to cover the act we don't have a man marker - again why are we not addressing this issue rather than compensating for it? I have 100% faith in Mickey Harte and hope that he can pull off another All Ireland, but I fear that come Croke Park in August we could get brutally found out again.
I would share a lot of the concerns above. We clearly are stuck for a top class corner back and a real ball winning midfielder. I simply don't think the players are there so Harte is having to compensate by getting the right system in place. Even the best corner backs struggle if they're exposed anyway. I think there was signs against Donegal of the system working. With a good defensive screen in place and players rotating the sweeper role to ensure the players getting forward were fresh. It worked well that day.
I certainly think we're in a better position at the minute than we were for the championship last year. The younger players have got another year behind them, more players have got game time and the team have a tough league campaign in division 1 under their belts. Sean Cavanagh being available is a huge plus too. Stevie O'Neill is in as good a form as he has been in a long time another big plus. Let's hope the injuries stay away for the summer.
How do you figure out we are in abetter position than last year. Mickey has just reverted to eventually the same players as last year, which as we all know were not good enough. In the first decent test for the young players to experience a big game in Croker at senior level he has opted against them.Really disappointed. But on the other hand he is playing Donnelly at CHB which isa risk, but a positive one in my book,he has the potential to be a natural in that position.
Hurley, Brophy and Bolton in for Johnston Darryl Flynn and Smith.
Seanie dropped! Hell be filling in the transfer paperwork in the dugout as we speak.
Cant believe how easily kildare are missing chances. Tyrone look comfortable and just keeping things simple. Kildare more wides than scores...8 wides in 20 mins and only scored 4.
That pitch is in poor shape, maybe 4 games in 24hrs is too much by the look of it
This ref is an absolute f**king joke, who is he? Murdering the game of gaelic football, we'll all be playing basketball soon if these tackles are going to be called like this.
All square after 26 mins
Tyrone bit ragged since solid penalty appeal turned down.
Is there no free taker worth his salt in tyrone that the keeper has to take 30m frees, take no more about time wasting, its takes him 2 mins to come up and take it.
Kildare goal. Morgan made a very good save though just before.
big lad that Hurley but no where near as strong or mobile as O`Connor in the full forward line
Good to see Geezer's shaved off the caveman look. A magpie in the Curragh has a great nest right now.
Gormley with another cheap shot, hes getting more famous for them than his ability to play football
Gormley yellow carded and rightly so
Cheap shot? Wise up, push off with a raised hand , nothing more! How long will it be until this becomes a punch?? ::)
Quote from: cadhlancian on April 14, 2013, 02:38:11 PM
Cheap shot? Wise up, push off with a raised hand , nothing more! How long will it be until this becomes a punch?? ::)
Have seen plenty of officials in the past interpret less than that as a punch! :( Was a black card offence!
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 14, 2013, 02:43:24 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on April 14, 2013, 02:38:11 PM
Cheap shot? Wise up, push off with a raised hand , nothing more! How long will it be until this becomes a punch?? ::)
Have seen plenty of officials in the past interpret less than that as a punch! :( Was a black card offence!
agreed
i love supporters who defend a player with a record for off ball incidents, mouthing, cheap shops, and the dark arts, when hes a great players and doesnt need to do it, he got blown up for a elbow to the face earlier in the half too
Tyrone defender won't fall for that again from Johnny.
Good game overall.
Kildare 1-10 Tyrone 2-9 55 mins
Kildare being held at arms length by Tyrone. Here comes Seanie!
Tyrone's goalie very cool under pressure. He's some asset to the team.
The Cribbin lad must be the world's oldest looking U-21. He looks about 35. Nice finish though.
Some point by O'Neill.
Even better one there.
Stephen o Neil is a pleasure to watch. Some of them Kildare defenders will have twisted blood!
O'Neill is in the form of his life. Unmarkable! A delight to watch.
All the Tyrone lads congratulating O'Neill. He put on a master class the last couple of minutes. Kildare very disappointing, very laboured. Depended allot of getting frees to get scores. Tyrone looked like they had an extra gear when ever Kildare got close to them.
Well done to Tyrone. Was some very loose defending in that game you won't see that from those sides in the championship. Stephen O'Neill is a like a good wine better with age.
Looking forward to Man Marker's assessment.
Well done Tyrone. Team with best footballers won and that's what I like to see.
Great last point by O'Neill.
Kildare will never even be the bridesmaids.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 14, 2013, 03:31:49 PM
All the Tyrone lads congratulating O'Neill. He put on a master class the last couple of minutes. Kildare very disappointing, very laboured. Depended allot of getting frees to get scores. Tyrone looked like they had an extra gear when ever Kildare got close to them.
Dumbest post of the day - Kildare scored 4 points from frees. And just to throw a fact at you, Kildare get the lowest percentage of their scores from placed ball of any side in the top three divisions at a startling 13.97% so why the f**k would they try to manufacture free's all of a sudden especially with that odd-ball referee!!!
If Kildare were depending on frees why would they have shot 33 times to Tyrone's 31. By all means have an opinion, at least make it informed.
Kildare lost because of a ridiculous amount of wides and because of a slow start to the 2nd half.
No point looking at small incidents in isolation as Tyrone were the better side, Mattie Donnolly was superb and no superlative would do justice to some of Stephen O'Neill's points.
O`Neill hard to hold, scores points from ridiculous angles, must have got 3 like that today, best full forward in the country
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 14, 2013, 03:32:49 PM
Well done to Tyrone. Was some very loose defending in that game you won't see that from those sides in the championship. Stephen O'Neill is a like a good wine better with age.
You would hope not. Plenty of questions about that Tyrone defence and even now with a league final looming I don't think Mickey knows his best defence, with a lot of potential combinations. A little worrying.
I thought Peter Harte was missed when he took the knock today, he does a lot of good work in linking things up. The performances of Morgan again and Mattie Donnelly were very encouraging and I thought Cassidy did well when he came on. Credit too to Mark Donnelly for a terrific league campaign. SON was brilliant.
Ultimately I reckon these two teams are better than most but not quite good enough to challenge the very best. Hope to be proved wrong by Tyrone.
I would hope there is a bit more to come from Kildare but some of the old failings will always come back to haunt us against the better teams. We played the better football for a good spell during that game but we don't take enough chances when we are on top. It's understandable when there are a lot of younger guys in the line up and it will take them a few years for that maturity to develop.
There are some tactical things that I still think could be improved upon:
- Playing Hurley inside in the full forward line in the first half, and Flynn there in the second half did not make much sense. Were we sparing them a tougher outing out around the middle with next weekend in mind?
- We surrendered possession from the short kickout just like we did in the Dublin match. You can't invite quality teams like Tyrone onto you allowing them to build from deep. At least push up on their kickout and try to force the keeper to kick to a contest.
I think both teams today are in a better position facing into the championship than they were after Div 2 football last year but the lack of defensive structure from Kildare is a major problem. It's a pity Chalky is unavailable because he might have been able to shore things up a bit in the half back line. The Offaly match is six weeks away so there's still time to get some lads back to fitness. Leper will start if he's fit and Bolton also looks rusty. I'd hope Daryl Flynn will be available because his abrasiveness is missed at midfield. In fairness to Paudie he had a good game there today.
Hi guys,
Tactical analysis of Tyrone's win over Kildare now up http://action81.com/blog/?p=7113
Emmet
Even though I'm a fan of his I thought we were better when Pete went off. More fluid. More creative.
SoN was sublime. The problem is we have no one who looks even in the same league to take over.
Mattie.was great today. Shut the critics right up
I just fear Dublin's championship 15 will start the final......
Stephen O'Neill's two late points were two beauties. I don't know how he is so accurate from acute angles. Fantastic accuracy.
Quote from: BennyCake on April 14, 2013, 08:30:46 PM
Stephen O'Neill's two late points were two beauties. I don't know how he is so accurate from acute angles. Fantastic accuracy.
Class player - majestic today.
The two points today were like his two against Dublin in the league in Croker in 2009
Very entertaining game I thought. Stevie and Johnny are a joy to watch in person. Well done Tyrone, hard luck to the lillies
Quote from: BennyCake on April 14, 2013, 08:30:46 PM
Stephen O'Neill's two late points were two beauties. I don't know how he is so accurate from acute angles. Fantastic accuracy.
His 1st one off his right was from a ridiculous angle too. What.A.Player
Had Tyrone been more accurate, this match could have been over in the first ten minutes-fair play to Kildare for battling back and taking the lead at half time. Still thought that Tyrone looked much the better outfit in the first half, despite a slack period. Kildare always forced to shoot under pressure which contributed to some terrible-looking wides.
Was impressed with Cassidy when he came on. Mark Donelly's ball retention is brilliant in the tackle-Mattie Donnelly must be taking notes. Daycent performance from McAliskey. While not groundbreaking performances from the Cavanaghs, especially Sean, you wouldn't be without them. Apart from tame efforts at stopping the Kildare goals, I thought that the defence worked well as a unit. Don't need to comment on Stevie!
A tough test for Tyrone mentally as Ruairi Hickey seemed to blow the whistle much quicker for Kildare throughout the game-some ridiculous decisions. I don't know how refs are going to cope with any rule changes on this display.
It struck me towards the end of the game that the GAA have got it very wrong about the Black card. A Tyrone player got a yellow for a cynical jersey tug near the end whereas Cribbin nearly ended up with a 'Conor Gormley's face' tattoo on his shoulder due to a dangerous shunt a few minutes earlier-unpunished. Is cynicism going to be treated with more severity than dangerous play? That doesn't sit well with me.
(Is it just me or has football become more cynical since the cynical play rulings? Is this some kind of grace period before the rulings kick-in?)
Two best teams in the final-Tyrone to pip the Dubs with variety of scorers the telling factor-Seem to be able to get 9-10 players on the scoresheet in games this year which is very impressive.
Very good win today and nice to be playing Dublin in a national league final (we haven't been in that many). Hopefully we can put it up to them because if we swtich of like the first half of the Kerry game or even for 15 minutes today we'll be in trouble. For a period in the first half today we sat back too much putting the team under pressure. Even for the kickouts we weren't getting out properly and getting the half forwards in the right place. But I thought we had a decent second half with some lovely scores.
Morgan had a decent game. McCarron was pretty good and thought PJ and Carlin did ok for there first game back. Was good to see Justy getting a run out and doing well. Thought McNamee was poor enough and wasn't surprised he went off. Thought Colm did rightly in the middle, handling can be poor but worked hard. Sean had a poor enough game didn't look totally up to the pace, hopefully he can rediscover his form for the final and championship. Up front O'Neill and the Donnelly's had excellent games. Penrose did ok but again was wasteful with an excellent goal chance. McCurry struggled to get out and win ball.
Also thought Cassidy had a decent game coming on. Harte could be tempted to start him the next day and push Sean up into the forwards.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 14, 2013, 10:41:03 PM
McCurry struggled to get out and win ball.
Seemed to pull something after about 5 mins or so. Thereafter spent an amount of time either hopping about holding the top of his arse, or on all fours trying to stretch out.
Yep, McCurry was hurt early on - surprised McAliskey wasn't on earlier. Sean seemed to be labouring too. Harte hamstring?
"Are you here to spy on us?" - one Tyrone lad to Peter Canavan in Croke today. :)
Stephen O'Neill looked very sharp yesterday and has done all year, his speed in turning and off the mark are quicker than they have been for a few years. Suppose it isn't too often he gets a good run at it injury free for so long. Of all the players I have ever watched I have never seen a forward who gets as many classy scores from the right or left corner flag of his good foot and bad foot. Even yesterday, the point he got wide on the right with his weaker foot was unreal, but its pretty common for him to get that one. He rarely gets tap-overs. I hope he stays injury free for the rest of the year as I honestly thought the terrible injury problems he had in 2006 and 2007 had meant we would never see the best of him again.
Still concerned at the number of goal chances opposing teams are getting. Thought Gormley was brilliant yesterday, but would be also worried at the lack of potency out of our forward line in general. Don't score or create too many goal chances and there is nobody but SON who you would have confidence in to get 3 or 4 points from play. I would love to have seen Lafferty get more game time as others seem to have got a bucketful of chances without impressing, with Mattie Donnelly finally shining yesterday after an uninspiring league campaign.
SON back to his form of 2005. hopefully he will stay injury free in 2013.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 15, 2013, 09:44:30 AM
Stephen O'Neill looked very sharp yesterday and has done all year, his speed in turning and off the mark are quicker than they have been for a few years. Suppose it isn't too often he gets a good run at it injury free for so long. Of all the players I have ever watched I have never seen a forward who gets as many classy scores from the right or left corner flag of his good foot and bad foot. Even yesterday, the point he got wide on the right with his weaker foot was unreal, but its pretty common for him to get that one. He rarely gets tap-overs. I hope he stays injury free for the rest of the year as I honestly thought the terrible injury problems he had in 2006 and 2007 had meant we would never see the best of him again.
Still concerned at the number of goal chances opposing teams are getting. Thought Gormley was brilliant yesterday, but would be also worried at the lack of potency out of our forward line in general. Don't score or create too many goal chances and there is nobody but SON who you would have confidence in to get 3 or 4 points from play. I would love to have seen Lafferty get more game time as others seem to have got a bucketful of chances without impressing, with Mattie Donnelly finally shining yesterday after an uninspiring league campaign.
Wonder what the general consensus would have been among the subs when the last two men to come on yesturday were two Errigal men
(http://www.cng.ie/StevieWonder.jpg)
Was this better than Canavan's one back in 2005 with his right foot?
Quote from: nothingbettertobeat on April 15, 2013, 09:57:04 AM
Wonder what the general consensus would have been among the subs when the last two men to come on yesturday were two Errigal men
I'd say it was "One for all and all for one, Bring on the Dubs for some more fun"
I thought Mickey used his subs well yesterday and great to see Cassidy back giving us more options.
Anyone know what was wrong with big Joe?
I was just thinking how winning or losing often is the deciding factor on how well we played for us fickle fans.
With 2 mins left and we were only leading by a point it all could have been so different had we lost that game. We certainly played well in the second half and were the better team but I thought the whole game was very open and not the usual defensive battle we saw last year.
A lot more positives than negatives and was glad to see Mickey trying out new players even when the match was in the melting pot.
It's a long time since we went into a big championship first round with so many questions about the starting 15.
I spoke to a few older lads yesterday about our defensive. One lad used to coach Justy at under 10 and said he was always a natural forward more than a defender. I thought McCarron did quite well yesterday as did PJ. Conor did well at wing back and is an option for Morgan to hit with kick outs.
Was happy for Mattie Donnelly to play so well yesterday and for those eejits a few week back who questioned Mark Donnelly, I hope they're honest enough to say they were wrong
Great pic that fuzzman
Useful victory for Tyrone yesterday. Far from a vintage performance however with a mixed bag of performances
Morgan looks like he has been between the sticks for years. Very solid performance each time ive seen him. Pj Quinn & Dermot Carlin didnt set the world alight but when you consider that it was the first performance of the year for each of them, then you have to say they did really well.
The defense still look vulnerable at times, gaps appearing too often. Also, just like in the game with Kerry the midfield area went to sleep for a spell. I felt sorry for Morgan each time he went to take a kick out, as there was an air of inevitability (from 15th minute to 30th) that Kildare would collect possession.
Aidan Cassidy did really well when he came on, turned the tide in that sector & deserve's a start now I feel
Big Sean has been struggling at Midfield the last few games. He seems to have slimmed down a little too much? I was glad when he was switched to the forwards, however that didnt really work well either?
Conor McAliskey has won the battle for the No. 15 spot in my eyes (ahead of RO'Neill & DMcCurry)
Mattie Donnelly showed yesterday his true class. Hopefully he has finally found his feet at this level. He had a great game yesterday
The team id like to see start the next day would be:
Niall Morgan
Pj Quinn
Joe McMahon
Cathal McCarron
Conor Clarke
Justin McMahon
Conor Gormley
Aidan Cassidy
Colm Cavanagh
Martin Penrose
Sean Cavanagh
Mattie Donnelly
Mark Donnelly
Stephen O'Neill
Connor McAliskey
Quote from: God14 on April 15, 2013, 10:48:49 AM
Great pic that fuzzman
Useful victory for Tyrone yesterday. Far from a vintage performance however with a mixed bag of performances
Morgan looks like he has been between the sticks for years. Very solid performance each time ive seen him. Pj Quinn & Dermot Carlin didnt set the world alight but when you consider that it was the first performance of the year for each of them, then you have to say they did really well.
The defense still look vulnerable at times, gaps appearing too often. Also, just like in the game with Kerry the midfield area went to sleep for a spell. I felt sorry for Morgan each time he went to take a kick out, as there was an air of inevitability (from 15th minute to 30th) that Kildare would collect possession.
Aidan Cassidy did really well when he came on, turned the tide in that sector & deserve's a start now I feel
Big Sean has been struggling at Midfield the last few games. He seems to have slimmed down a little too much? I was glad when he was switched to the forwards, however that didnt really work well either?
Conor McAliskey has won the battle for the No. 15 spot in my eyes (ahead of RO'Neill & DMcCurry)
Mattie Donnelly showed yesterday his true class. Hopefully he has finally found his feet at this level. He had a great game yesterday
The team id like to see start the next day would be:
Niall Morgan
Pj Quinn
Joe McMahon
Cathal McCarron
Conor Clarke
Justin McMahon
Conor Gormley
Aidan Cassidy
Colm Cavanagh
Martin Penrose
Sean Cavanagh
Mattie Donnelly
Mark Donnelly
Stephen O'Neill
Connor McAliskey
No Peter Harte?..i Know hes been poor but still have to find a place for him somewhere in the 15
Quote from: nothingbettertobeat on April 15, 2013, 10:51:48 AM
No Peter Harte?..i Know hes been poor but still have to find a place for him somewhere in the 15
It looks to me like Mattie Donnelly is being given the "free role" that Peter Harte was given last year. Petey spent a lot of games lining out as a wing forward and playing at CHB with a license to attack. Mickey has handed that job to Mattie Donnelly this year and he too is blossoming in the role.
It could be a case of one role between 2 players and Mattie is the form player.
Quote from: LeoMc on April 15, 2013, 12:22:05 PM
Quote from: nothingbettertobeat on April 15, 2013, 10:51:48 AM
No Peter Harte?..i Know hes been poor but still have to find a place for him somewhere in the 15
It looks to me like Mattie Donnelly is being given the "free role" that Peter Harte was given last year. Petey spent a lot of games lining out as a wing forward and playing at CHB with a license to attack. Mickey has handed that job to Mattie Donnelly this year and he too is blossoming in the role.
It could be a case of one role between 2 players and Mattie is the form player.
Mattie has had one good game, bit early to put any faith in him yet.
Pete has not had as good a year as last but still deserves to start. He is a proflic player who can create scoring chances. He might be a doubt for the league final but I fully expect him to play against Donegal.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 14, 2013, 03:09:03 PM
Good game overall.
Shite first half. Ref is a f**king clueless bollix, rode Kildare out of it for the first 20. McCarron has had a good match, is the lad he was marking any use? The M. Donnelly's have been excellent, 2 best players. Colm = the good the bad and the ugly.
Stevie, what more can you say. Gormley was good. Sean C has had a poor enough day. Carlin - passable. McAliskey once again demonstrates the obvious that he is the best corner-forward out of all the young guns.
Penrose wastes as much as he creates, a really frustrating talent.
Enjoyable day in Croker yesterday. Was right behind Steven O'Neills point in the first half and I thought that was class but his two towards the end were unreal. He will probably get the headlines but Matthew Donnelly ran the show for me, was very impressed with him, how old is he now? Joe McMahon offered a lot covering back and the switch with Cavanagh and O'Neill coincided with Kildare's revival in the first half.
Kildare looked like a side who are concentrating on Leinster, be afraid Biffos. Btw, who was that commentating on the match on League Sunday last night? Offered more than the usual suspects, not hard I know.
Donnelly is 23 asaik, I remember he caused Cavan a lot of hassle in the Ulster u21 Final in 2011, played full forward that day.
Presume you mean Justy Croi as Joe was out injured.
Tyrone certainly look to be able to change their system and style quite easily.
It's refreshing we can play quite an open style game as well as being able (hopefully) to compete with Donegal's war of attrition.
Some of ye had written off Stevie but I suppose with the tactics a lot of teams play these days a forward of his class is often surrounded as soon as he gets the ball or ye can't even get the ball into him at all.
What's the feeling now about PJ & Carlin. Do you think they'll make the Donegal starting 15.
Morgan has showed there's a lot more to his games that just long range frees.
I suppose the one thing I can take from the league as a whole is that we're no longer predictable and so will keep teams guessing who is gonna play where and how. I was surprised to see big Sean put in to FF for a while yesterday too. I wonder how much swing Horse Devlin has with Mickey.
Quote from: God14 on April 15, 2013, 10:48:49 AM
Great pic that fuzzman
Useful victory for Tyrone yesterday. Far from a vintage performance however with a mixed bag of performances
Morgan looks like he has been between the sticks for years. Very solid performance each time ive seen him. Pj Quinn & Dermot Carlin didnt set the world alight but when you consider that it was the first performance of the year for each of them, then you have to say they did really well.
The defense still look vulnerable at times, gaps appearing too often. Also, just like in the game with Kerry the midfield area went to sleep for a spell. I felt sorry for Morgan each time he went to take a kick out, as there was an air of inevitability (from 15th minute to 30th) that Kildare would collect possession.
Aidan Cassidy did really well when he came on, turned the tide in that sector & deserve's a start now I feel
Big Sean has been struggling at Midfield the last few games. He seems to have slimmed down a little too much? I was glad when he was switched to the forwards, however that didnt really work well either?
Conor McAliskey has won the battle for the No. 15 spot in my eyes (ahead of RO'Neill & DMcCurry)
Mattie Donnelly showed yesterday his true class. Hopefully he has finally found his feet at this level. He had a great game yesterday
The team id like to see start the next day would be:
Niall Morgan
Pj Quinn
Joe McMahon
Cathal McCarron
Conor Clarke
Justin McMahon
Conor Gormley
Aidan Cassidy
Colm Cavanagh
Martin Penrose
Sean Cavanagh
Mattie Donnelly
Mark Donnelly
Stephen O'Neill
Connor McAliskey
I picked a similar team to this on the Dublin thread. The only change I had was Harte for McAlsikey (I was also undecided between PJ and Carlin). People have been critical of him but Harte is definitely a 1st 15 player and will hopefully rediscover his top form. He fits into Tyrone's style of play and can play in a variety of positions. McAlsikey is a good young player and will hopefully be a starter for years to come. I think at this stage he'd be better suited to coming of the bench when the came opens a little.
It was an interesting game. It proves to me what I always believed, to win a tournament you need a class forward (or two). Tyrone had the magnificent O Neill, oozing class. Kildare don't have a player of that ability or anywhere close and while they might think they imported one they are wrong. The best Kildare can hope for is to meet Dublin in Leinster and catch them on a bad day but from what I see I just don't think they are good enough footballers to win Leinster.
Tyrone were well up for the game and again I fancy them to win out Ulster and at least make the semis of the All Ireland. There might even be a kick left in them to go for sam again.
Finally sobered up after that weekend.
Firstly, I thought it was noticeable how much Tyrone had bulked up this year. Mattie, Mark, Colm, Stevie, Gormley and Cassidy were breaking tackles with ease.
1 - Morgan = A big find this year. Scored 1, missed 2 but very comfortable on the ball. A couple of dodgy solos and he barely flinched. I think he's also on the verge of mastering the Cluxton kickouts. The breeze was a bit confusing on Sunday so some of his passes overshot the mark. It'll be interesting to see how tuned in the Dubs are to this. Kildare were caught sleeping.
2 - PJ = in unenviable task of marking Doyle. The Kildare man was class to watch. Quinn probably did as best he could given his previous game time. McCrory wouldn't have done any better.
3 - Clarke = As the game progressed he improved. For a big fella he has a decent engine. At one point in the second half he was breaking from his own half, 1-2 ing with Cassidy, having a pop and within 30 seconds dispossessing a Kildare attack. His confidence is growing.
4 - McCarron = his best game to date. Unsure of the quality of player he was marking but apart from one poor pass which Kildare typically hit wide, he was sound.
5 - Carlin = good to see him back. Wilted a bit but did a lot of simple things well.
6 - Mattie D = outstanding. One error in the whole game.
7 - Gormley = proved me wrong. His workrate and influence on the game was as crucial as ever. What stood out though was his playmaking. He was constantly probing the Kildare full back line with decent balls into O'Neill and McCurry. I thought he was past it. Far from it.
8/9 - Sean had a day to forget. He hardly touched it in the first half and when he was moved into FF Peter Kelly nailed him time and again. To his credit he worked hard to get the better of Kelly against the odds in the second half to set up McAliskey's first. O'Neill had a field day early on. Colm I thought played well. He combined well with Morgan. Cassidy seemed to enjoy the occasion when he came on. Played very well.
10 - McNamee = didn't really get into it.
11 - Harte = Before the hamstring he gave away promising possession with a horrible pass to no one. I still think he's too valuable to drop.
12 - Mark Donnelly = the batteries never ran out. Sweepiing on his own full back line, breaking tackles at ease further up the field, goaling. It's hard not to love the workrate.
13 - Penrose = I think he's slowly returning to form. The early miss was a bit of nerves but he worked hard.
14 - O'Neill = physically put it up to Kildare. He took good hits setting up both goals. His points were all sublime. A privilege to watch. Needs a partner though and I think McAliskey is the man.
15 - McCurry = disappointing. I still think he's better than that. The early injury didn't help but his marker was the unsung hero for me - Hugh McGrillen?
Quote from: ONeill on April 15, 2013, 10:16:55 PM
Finally sobered up after that weekend.
Firstly, I thought it was noticeable how much Tyrone had bulked up this year. Mattie, Mark, Colm, Stevie, Gormley and Cassidy were breaking tackles with ease.
1 - Morgan = A big find this year. Scored 1, missed 2 but very comfortable on the ball. A couple of dodgy solos and he barely flinched. I think he's also on the verge of mastering the Cluxton kickouts. The breeze was a bit confusing on Sunday so some of his passes overshot the mark. It'll be interesting to see how tuned in the Dubs are to this. Kildare were caught sleeping.
2 - PJ = in unenviable task of marking Doyle. The Kildare man was class to watch. Quinn probably did as best he could given his previous game time. McCrory wouldn't have done any better.
3 - Clarke = As the game progressed he improved. For a big fella he has a decent engine. At one point in the second half he was breaking from his own half, 1-2 ing with Cassidy, having a pop and within 30 seconds dispossessing a Kildare attack. His confidence is growing.
4 - McCarron = his best game to date. Unsure of the quality of player he was marking but apart from one poor pass which Kildare typically hit wide, he was sound.
5 - Carlin = good to see him back. Wilted a bit but did a lot of simple things well.
6 - Mattie D = outstanding. One error in the whole game.
7 - Gormley = proved me wrong. His workrate and influence on the game was as crucial as ever. What stood out though was his playmaking. He was constantly probing the Kildare full back line with decent balls into O'Neill and McCurry. I thought he was past it. Far from it.
8/9 - Sean had a day to forget. He hardly touched it in the first half and when he was moved into FF Peter Kelly nailed him time and again. To his credit he worked hard to get the better of Kelly against the odds in the second half to set up McAliskey's first. O'Neill had a field day early on. Colm I thought played well. He combined well with Morgan. Cassidy seemed to enjoy the occasion when he came on. Played very well.
10 - McNamee = didn't really get into it.
11 - Harte = Before the hamstring he gave away promising possession with a horrible pass to no one. I still think he's too valuable to drop.
12 - Mark Donnelly = the batteries never ran out. Sweepiing on his own full back line, breaking tackles at ease further up the field, goaling. It's hard not to love the workrate.
13 - Penrose = I think he's slowly returning to form. The early miss was a bit of nerves but he worked hard.
14 - O'Neill = physically put it up to Kildare. He took good hits setting up both goals. His points were all sublime. A privilege to watch. Needs a partner though and I think McAliskey is the man.
15 - McCurry = disappointing. I still think he's better than that. The early injury didn't help but his marker was the unsung hero for me - Hugh McGrillen?
Would agree with most of that. Was also disappointed with McCurry but think there's a lot more in him. Would agree Colm had a decent game in the middle (still prone to poor handling or a mistake but works hard) and as reported won 4 first half kick outs. Certain contributors on here only comment if he has a bad game to really stick the boot in and don't comment if he does ok.
Lets not get carried away. Some players are now fighting hard for their championship jersey and that can only be good for Tyrone football. Some contributors seem to think you should be retained no matter how you are playing today. That mentality scares me and to be honest I don't think Mickey h thinks that way either. No healthy equitable competition will be for the benefit of Tyrone football.
Was personally glad to see the changes in defence last week. Also think Harte made a good call at bringing Cassidy on yesterday. Would be very hard to guess his starting team for the championship. Given he's done that while winning games might not be a bad thing at all.
Quote from: rrhf on April 15, 2013, 11:00:07 PM
Lets not get carried away. Some players are now fighting hard for their championship jersey and that can only be good for Tyrone football. Some contributors seem to think you should be retained no matter how you are playing today. That mentality scares me and to be honest I don't think Mickey h thinks that way either. No healthy equitable competition will be for the benefit of Tyrone football.
Who do you think should not get a start next time, saying it scares you?
I'm only going to be positive. Based on current form Cassidy, mc aliskey deserve their starting jersey in tyrones fourth Nfl final.
Quote from: rrhf on April 15, 2013, 11:14:56 PM
I'm only going to be positive. Based on current form Cassidy, mc aliskey deserve their starting jersey in tyrones fourth Nfl final.
good answer
Quote from: rrhf on April 15, 2013, 11:14:56 PM
I'm only going to be positive. Based on current form Cassidy, mc aliskey deserve their starting jersey in tyrones fourth Nfl final.
Ach, grow balls. I think it's unanimous here that McAliskey should start. If you read into what has been said that McCurry should then read again. As for Cassidy, yes, but Colm's still worth his place. He fielded more than any Tyrone player in the first half yesterday and had a more positive influence on play than his brother did.
I see both them men as starters - they have earned it
Quote from: rrhf on April 15, 2013, 11:30:51 PM
I see both them men as starters - they have earned it
Cassidy has earned it for 40 mins football?
Colm is very industrious and given that he is playing in the engine room of the team mistakes are inevitable. It's just frustrating that simple errors are taking away from some outstanding play, I mean if he cut out the mistakes he could be one of the best midfielders in the country and I mean that.
I don't mean to be harsh but McCurry, Ronan and Coney have had more than enough chances and either by injury or performance they have not taken them. McAliskey has shown a hell of alot more than any of them in the league campaign and we need to stop equating the four of them as regards the position. Come Ballybofey it should be McAliskey who gets the start. Far to much emphasis on here all the time about minor performances, drives me mad.
Also I think Pete has to be dropped or at least moved into the backs again. His distribution has been poor against Kerry and yesterday and it's suffocating our attack. We preformed a hell of alot better yesterday when he was off and as much as it pains me to say it, he is holding this team back at the minute. No doubt he's a fine footballer but we just haven't found a role for him yet. He needs to style himself on Dooher's model, in the same way Mark Donnelly has. Workrate, possession and accurate distribution are his strengths and he needs to find a position on the pitch that makes the most of them.
Morgan is an all-rounder top goalie, good kickouts, good in the air, shot-stopper, mentalist, he's the full package. Would it be to far to say he's been the best keeper of the league? Tyrone have shipped alot of goals but to be fair that's the defences fault and not Morgans.
Pity to see McNamee have a poor day yesterday. He's had a great league, hopefully he just needs a rest to get himself back to speed. Joey was good yesterday I thought, comfortable when played out the pitch and showed a bit of pace.
Joey wasn't on.
That was Justin, for some reason he played wearing Joe's jersey (no 10). Great to be back in an NFL first division final. Mickey will have some headache choosing his next two starting 15s, I'm sure it's a nice dilemma to be faced with.
Quote from: ONeill on April 16, 2013, 12:15:29 AM
Joey wasn't on.
My mistake, Justy. Showed good pace for a big man at times, didn't think he had it in him.
It's great to see so many keepers following in the Cake's footsteps. 8)
Tyrone is a horrible dirty team, and one incident exemplifies this.
Tyrone were awarded a free and the Kildare defender retreated to borderline distance. Then a Tyrone player wades in and pushes the Kildare defender away (taking the law into his own hands). The ref should have thrown the ball up.
#dortyhoors
Quote from: ONeill on April 15, 2013, 11:35:35 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 15, 2013, 11:30:51 PM
I see both them men as starters - they have earned it
Cassidy has earned it for 40 mins football?
Cassidy has made an impact every time he has been introduced O'Neill (he had a knock & missed the Kerry game)
He has been given plenty of chances in the past, granted, but in terms of 2013 and form players etc - he should start the next day. Along side Colm, with Sean moving into a more advanced position IMHO.
Quote from: trileacman on April 16, 2013, 12:10:06 AM
Colm is very industrious and given that he is playing in the engine room of the team mistakes are inevitable. It's just frustrating that simple errors are taking away from some outstanding play, I mean if he cut out the mistakes he could be one of the best midfielders in the country and I mean that.
I don't mean to be harsh but McCurry, Ronan and Coney have had more than enough chances and either by injury or performance they have not taken them. McAliskey has shown a hell of alot more than any of them in the league campaign and we need to stop equating the four of them as regards the position. Come Ballybofey it should be McAliskey who gets the start. Far to much emphasis on here all the time about minor performances, drives me mad.
Also I think Pete has to be dropped or at least moved into the backs again. His distribution has been poor against Kerry and yesterday and it's suffocating our attack. We preformed a hell of alot better yesterday when he was off and as much as it pains me to say it, he is holding this team back at the minute. No doubt he's a fine footballer but we just haven't found a role for him yet. He needs to style himself on Dooher's model, in the same way Mark Donnelly has. Workrate, possession and accurate distribution are his strengths and he needs to find a position on the pitch that makes the most of them.
Morgan is an all-rounder top goalie, good kickouts, good in the air, shot-stopper, mentalist, he's the full package. Would it be to far to say he's been the best keeper of the league? Tyrone have shipped alot of goals but to be fair that's the defences fault and not Morgans.
Pity to see McNamee have a poor day yesterday. He's had a great league, hopefully he just needs a rest to get himself back to speed. Joey was good yesterday I thought, comfortable when played out the pitch and showed a bit of pace.
I think Coney took his chances last year and had a great league campaign. Ronan O'Neill has only played a few games for Tyrone and has scored a decent return, McCurry has also returned a decent few scores in the games he has played. Surprised Lafferty, Gallagher or McBride haven't got more game time.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 15, 2013, 11:04:54 PM
Was personally glad to see the changes in defence last week. Also think Harte made a good call at bringing Cassidy on yesterday. Would be very hard to guess his starting team for the championship. Given he's done that while winning games might not be a bad thing at all.
I wonder is that deliberate?
At the beginning of the year conventional wisdom had it that the Donegal team was near enough set in stone for Ballybofey while Mickey had the league to rebuild a team. Instead he has rebuilt a panel. We are now 1 game away from Ballybofey and Mickey knows the Donegal team / formation while Jimmy would not be able to pick the Tyrone team or formation.
Meantime Mickey has 27-28 players who believe they could be starting knocking 7 bells out of each other to get those 15 jerseys.
Quote from: trileacman on April 16, 2013, 12:10:06 AM
I don't mean to be harsh but McCurry, Ronan and Coney have had more than enough chances and either by injury or performance they have not taken them. McAliskey has shown a hell of alot more than any of them in the league campaign and we need to stop equating the four of them as regards the position. Come Ballybofey it should be McAliskey who gets the start. Far to much emphasis on here all the time about minor performances, drives me mad.
I would agree that McAliskey is in pole position for a starting place but I don't think you equate being injured with having "more than enough chances"! The only time that Kyle Coney got a regular run of games in the Tyrone senior team (last season) he was the top scorer. If he can get fit then he deserves another pile of games to see if he can kick on. McCurry is on his first full season on the panel and is a work in progress. He didn't get that much football in the league. Similarly O'Neill is very early in his development. All of these lads will need a lot more football before anybody can say that they have had more than enough chances. We need as many of them as possible to nail down a place for the next few years.
Quote from: Orior on April 16, 2013, 08:34:45 AM
Tyrone is a horrible dirty team, and one incident exemplifies this.
Tyrone were awarded a free and the Kildare defender retreated to borderline distance. Then a Tyrone player wades in and pushes the Kildare defender away (taking the law into his own hands). The ref should have thrown the ball up.
#dortyhoors
Probably shouldn't bite to this nonsense but anyway..
Not sure who it was in the instance you refer to, but John Doyle done this for a few Tyrone frees. He holds his run very late to come in & stand in front of the kicker. A complete distraction tactic & I would question if he was the requisite distance. Ref should have been disciplining Kildare players in these instances. Personally I think a good dunder to put him on his hole was required.
Quote from: TY14ED on April 16, 2013, 08:17:57 PM
Quote from: Orior on April 16, 2013, 08:34:45 AM
Tyrone is a horrible dirty team, and one incident exemplifies this.
Tyrone were awarded a free and the Kildare defender retreated to borderline distance. Then a Tyrone player wades in and pushes the Kildare defender away (taking the law into his own hands). The ref should have thrown the ball up.
#dortyhoors
Probably shouldn't bite to this nonsense but anyway..
Not sure who it was in the instance you refer to, but John Doyle done this for a few Tyrone frees. He holds his run very late to come in & stand in front of the kicker. A complete distraction tactic & I would question if he was the requisite distance. Ref should have been disciplining Kildare players in these instances. Personally I think a good dunder to put him on his hole was required.
Doyle had a water bottle thrown in his general direction when he was stepping up to a free in the first half. I'm not condoning his own actions and it is a trick I've seen him use before but all teams are at this crap now. This year I saw a defender standing on the line shaking the goalposts in an attempt to distract a free taker. It's silly carry on.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 16, 2013, 08:34:22 PM
Quote from: TY14ED on April 16, 2013, 08:17:57 PM
Quote from: Orior on April 16, 2013, 08:34:45 AM
Tyrone is a horrible dirty team, and one incident exemplifies this.
Tyrone were awarded a free and the Kildare defender retreated to borderline distance. Then a Tyrone player wades in and pushes the Kildare defender away (taking the law into his own hands). The ref should have thrown the ball up.
#dortyhoors
Probably shouldn't bite to this nonsense but anyway..
Not sure who it was in the instance you refer to, but John Doyle done this for a few Tyrone frees. He holds his run very late to come in & stand in front of the kicker. A complete distraction tactic & I would question if he was the requisite distance. Ref should have been disciplining Kildare players in these instances. Personally I think a good dunder to put him on his hole was required.
Doyle had a water bottle thrown in his general direction when he was stepping up to a free in the first half. I'm not condoning his own actions and it is a trick I've seen him use before but all teams are at this crap now. This year I saw a defender standing on the line shaking the goalposts in an attempt to distract a free taker. It's silly carry on.
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and Kieran Mc Keever who wasn't even playing and done far less got a month for his troubles.