With both teams now safely back in Div 1 and still in their 'championship training schedules' this game will be won by the team that treats it as less of a hindrance. The only thing that will concern both managers is avoiding injuries. Won't be any heavy tackles going in from either side and expect a high scoring game with plenty of goals.
Quote from: highorlow on April 08, 2013, 09:43:55 AM
With both teams now safely back in Div 1 and still in their 'championship training schedules' this game will be won by the team that treats it as less of a hindrance. The only thing that will concern both managers is avoiding injuries. Won't be any heavy tackles going in from either side and expect a high scoring game with plenty of goals.
I fancy a 6-10 point win by as you saud the team who relish it the most. Not sure which team it will be though. Both are quality sides.
Has this been confirmed as a double bill on Sunday?
Team selection for the Dubs will be interesting. I'd like to see Jason Whelan of Ballymun and Cullen get starts in the half forward line. Bastick pushing for a place in midfield. Nolan and Fitzsimons have got 7 mins each in total, so if they don't start they'll find it very hard to win their places back for the championship. Rock might get a shot in the forwards, though personally I'm not sure he's going to be better than what we already have. Hopefully Bernard will be back.
Delighted to get another run for the lads at HQ. Better than a training session that's for sure. Dublin are a class act this year, great to have a chance to measure ourselves again.
Getting the extra game with the possibility of another ahead of the championship is great.
Like Hound said, we need game time for some of the Ballymun lads plus Nolan & Fitzsimons
Does Jim Gavin know his best team I wonder?
Can pose it's own problems when trying to get the balance right.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 08, 2013, 12:49:29 PM
Does Jim Gavin know his best team I wonder?
Can pose it's own problems when trying to get the balance right.
A bit early for that yet Dinny. Keep yer powder dry. ;D
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2013, 01:53:38 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 08, 2013, 12:49:29 PM
Does Jim Gavin know his best team I wonder?
Can pose it's own problems when trying to get the balance right.
A bit early for that yet Dinny. Keep yer powder dry. ;D
Mayo out for revenge, aiming to go one better than last year.
An over-hyped Dublin team ripe for an ambush.
Mayo by four.
Quote from: heffo on April 08, 2013, 02:03:23 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2013, 01:53:38 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 08, 2013, 12:49:29 PM
Does Jim Gavin know his best team I wonder?
Can pose it's own problems when trying to get the balance right.
A bit early for that yet Dinny. Keep yer powder dry. ;D
Mayo out for revenge, aiming to go one better than last year.
An over-hyped Dublin team ripe for an ambush.
Mayo by four.
Agreed!
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2013, 02:09:04 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 08, 2013, 02:03:23 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2013, 01:53:38 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 08, 2013, 12:49:29 PM
Does Jim Gavin know his best team I wonder?
Can pose it's own problems when trying to get the balance right.
A bit early for that yet Dinny. Keep yer powder dry. ;D
Mayo out for revenge, aiming to go one better than last year.
An over-hyped Dublin team ripe for an ambush.
Mayo by four.
Agreed!
Who would you prefer to play in the final??
Our bogey team awaits. Haven't beaten them iirc in knockout football in nearly 30 years.
Bar McMahon (at a push) can't really see any of the Ballymun lads making a championship team and would be happier to see Kevin Nolan and Fitzsimons get some "game time" (sorry about cliché).
Would be very aggrieved and surprised if Dublin don't come out on Sunday with all guns blazing and with a view of "avoiding injuries".
Anyhows our bogey team to prevail as usual ..............Mayo by 2 points.
Great double bill by the way.......... really looking forward to both games.
Should be a decent day out in Croker on Sunday. An all Leinster final beckons I think ;)
Quote from: heffo on April 08, 2013, 02:11:54 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2013, 02:09:04 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 08, 2013, 02:03:23 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2013, 01:53:38 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 08, 2013, 12:49:29 PM
Does Jim Gavin know his best team I wonder?
Can pose it's own problems when trying to get the balance right.
A bit early for that yet Dinny. Keep yer powder dry. ;D
Mayo out for revenge, aiming to go one better than last year.
An over-hyped Dublin team ripe for an ambush.
Mayo by four.
Agreed!
Who would you prefer to play in the final??
Kilkenny. Might win one then.
Quote from: Canalman on April 08, 2013, 02:18:58 PM
Our bogey team awaits. Haven't beaten them iirc in knockout football in nearly 30 years.
1985
Quote from: heffo on April 08, 2013, 02:28:18 PM
Quote from: Canalman on April 08, 2013, 02:18:58 PM
Our bogey team awaits. Haven't beaten them iirc in knockout football in nearly 30 years.
1985
Who bloody reffed that?
Good stuff another game against the Dubs in Croker and if the last few are anything to go by it'll be high on entertainment. If we can somehow get the auld radar lined up we might sneak it but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a rerun of the league encounter , a tit for tat encounter with us fading out in the last 15. Anyway looking forward to an enjoyable clash and some good banter with the city slickers. I think we'll need to improve on our average of 0-13 in the league so far by about 4 or 5 points at least to win this one.
Read in the Irish Times that it's 20 years since Dublin won the league. Hard to believe.
A good win for Mayo yesterday as not easy to beat Cork down there but I have to fancy Dublin to win this.
Presume this game will be the second game on Sunday.
Is the final only on TG4 does anyone know?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 08, 2013, 12:49:29 PM
Does Jim Gavin know his best team I wonder?
Can pose it's own problems when trying to get the balance right.
Gavin has actually being remarkably consistent in his league team selections. 9 players have started either 6 or the full 7 games. Add in certain starters Cluxton, O'Carroll and Bernard Brogan and you've arguably only got 3 spots up for grabs.
Midfield is the one area where I'd say he's scratching his head. 6 different pairings started in the 7 matches.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 08, 2013, 02:45:31 PM
Read in the Irish Times that it's 20 years since Dublin won the league. Hard to believe.
A good win for Mayo yesterday as not easy to beat Cork down there but I have to fancy Dublin to win this.
Presume this game will be the second game on Sunday.
Is the final only on TG4 does anyone know?
Some other interesting league stats I read today:
11 league finals in a row won by either Ulster or Munster teams
Leinster haven't won the league in 15 years - and the last Leinster winner was Offaly!
Kildare have never won the league
Mayo have lost their last 3 league finals by a cumulative score of 16 points and none of those were even against Kerry!
TG4 are down to cover both league semis on Sunday according to the Irish Times today
Quote from: Hound on April 08, 2013, 02:53:23 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 08, 2013, 02:45:31 PM
Read in the Irish Times that it's 20 years since Dublin won the league. Hard to believe.
A good win for Mayo yesterday as not easy to beat Cork down there but I have to fancy Dublin to win this.
Presume this game will be the second game on Sunday.
Is the final only on TG4 does anyone know?
Some other interesting league stats I read today:
11 league finals in a row won by either Ulster or Munster teams
Leinster haven't won the league in 15 years - and the last Leinster winner was Offaly!
Kildare have never won the league
Mayo have lost their last 3 league finals by a cumulative score of 16 points and none of those were even against Kerry!
TG4 are down to cover both league semis on Sunday according to the Irish Times today
Well not to puncture the old MAYO GOD HELP US headline you have there Hound but 2010 v Cork was the only Kerryesque beating we took with the game over in the first 15 mins and the Corkonians taking pity on us by tapping the ball about between themselves for the next hour so as not to totally humiliate us. 2007 v Donegal went to extra time and was a real ding dong affair and last year while under pressure we were right in the contest till a brilliant Colm O' Neill goal closely followed by a fortuitous Aidan Walsh goal killed us off so the auld stats can paint a fairly false picture and you did leave out that we actually won the League in 2001 beating a Galway team that went on to win Sam that year. Good opening salvo from you all the same though ;). Heffo he's putting your yerra posts to shame ;D
Joe McQuillan ::)
Quote from: ballinaman on April 08, 2013, 04:39:22 PM
Joe McQuillan ::)
Wonder who Dublin will be playing in the final
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 08, 2013, 05:09:29 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 08, 2013, 04:39:22 PM
Joe McQuillan ::)
Wonder who Dublin will be playing in the final
Best ask Joe that one.......he's really thrived under Gavin, great to see him getting so much game time.
In all seriousness, I think the Dubs going out of the U-21 early, BiBi coming back and of course home advantage all adds up to a good day for Heffo.
Dubs by 8.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 08, 2013, 05:09:29 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 08, 2013, 04:39:22 PM
Joe McQuillan ::)
Wonder who Dublin will be playing in the final
Best ask Joe that one.......he's really thrived under Gavin, great to see him getting so much game time.
I think his experience is vital for the younger lads.
Quote from: ballinaman on April 08, 2013, 05:15:20 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 08, 2013, 05:09:29 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 08, 2013, 04:39:22 PM
Joe McQuillan ::)
Wonder who Dublin will be playing in the final
Best ask Joe that one.......he's really thrived under Gavin, great to see him getting so much game time.
I don't know lads, he was an 8/10 for Mayo in the Semi-final last year.
Quote from: heffo on April 08, 2013, 05:27:03 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 08, 2013, 05:15:20 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 08, 2013, 05:09:29 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 08, 2013, 04:39:22 PM
Joe McQuillan ::)
Wonder who Dublin will be playing in the final
Best ask Joe that one.......he's really thrived under Gavin, great to see him getting so much game time.
I don't know lads, he was an 8/10 for Mayo in the Semi-final last year.
Allowed and off day every now and then surely... :P
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2013, 05:24:53 PM
In all seriousness, I think the Dubs going out of the U-21 early, BiBi coming back and of course home advantage all adds up to a good day for Heffo.
Dubs by 8.
No chance, Ger Cafferky will have B Brogan in his pocket living on scraps - starved of a focal point of their attack, the Dubs will inevitably crumble under the Mayo onslaught
Quote from: heffo on April 08, 2013, 05:32:27 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2013, 05:24:53 PM
In all seriousness, I think the Dubs going out of the U-21 early, BiBi coming back and of course home advantage all adds up to a good day for Heffo.
Dubs by 8.
No chance, Ger Cafferky will have B Brogan in his pocket living on scraps - starved of a focal point of their attack, the Dubs will inevitably crumble under the Mayo onslaught
Ballon D'ór Brogan will hardly get his place, ye have so many class forwards to pick from. If we can't make up the numbers could we borrow him?
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2013, 05:37:38 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 08, 2013, 05:32:27 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2013, 05:24:53 PM
In all seriousness, I think the Dubs going out of the U-21 early, BiBi coming back and of course home advantage all adds up to a good day for Heffo.
Dubs by 8.
No chance, Ger Cafferky will have B Brogan in his pocket living on scraps - starved of a focal point of their attack, the Dubs will inevitably crumble under the Mayo onslaught
Ballon D'ór Brogan will hardly get his place, ye have so many class forwards to pick from. If we can't make up the numbers could we borrow him?
He'd hardly get a look in to ye're forward six
Mayo will win this semi final if the Bernard Brogan doesn't start.
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2013, 02:34:31 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 08, 2013, 02:28:18 PM
Quote from: Canalman on April 08, 2013, 02:18:58 PM
Our bogey team awaits. Haven't beaten them iirc in knockout football in nearly 30 years.
1985
Who bloody reffed that?
Even theb it was deadly close and took to games to seperate them. It even had an moment to remember/forget.
Quote from: Hound on April 08, 2013, 02:53:23 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 08, 2013, 02:45:31 PM
Read in the Irish Times that it's 20 years since Dublin won the league. Hard to believe.
A good win for Mayo yesterday as not easy to beat Cork down there but I have to fancy Dublin to win this.
Presume this game will be the second game on Sunday.
Is the final only on TG4 does anyone know?
Some other interesting league stats I read today:
11 league finals in a row won by either Ulster or Munster teams
Leinster haven't won the league in 15 years - and the last Leinster winner was Offaly!
Kildare have never won the league
Mayo have lost their last 3 league finals by a cumulative score of 16 points and none of those were even against Kerry!
TG4 are down to cover both league semis on Sunday according to the Irish Times today
Mayo have 11 NFL titles, last won in 2001 beating archrivals Galway.
Ah 2001, the year Mayo were League Champions, Roscommon were Connacht Champions and Galway were AI Champions. A Crazy year!
Dublin by 25 pts..........................
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on April 09, 2013, 05:16:18 PM
Dublin by 25 pts..........................
thank god yer back to bring a bit a reality
to the debate
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Dublin by 25 pts..........................
A drinking contests in Copper face Jacks after the game?
Possibly champ...........I hope Jim has them off the gargle, I dont abide by alcohol poisoning the body
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 09, 2013, 05:01:30 PM
Ah 2001, the year Mayo were League Champions, Roscommon were Connacht Champions and Galway were AI Champions. A Crazy year!
Yeah and Sligo made it to the league semi finals as well if my memory isn't letting me down.
Come to think of it, didn't all four of the above contest the semis that year?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 09, 2013, 05:43:25 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 09, 2013, 05:01:30 PM
Ah 2001, the year Mayo were League Champions, Roscommon were Connacht Champions and Galway were AI Champions. A Crazy year!
Yeah and Sligo made it to the league semi finals as well if my memory isn't letting me down.
Come to think of it, didn't all four of the above contest the semis that year?
They did - all 4 semi-finalists were from Connacht. That was the year of foot and mouth disease, the northern teams couldn't travel down and we couldn't go up as far as I remember.
I hope the Dublin lads have their sandwiches before the game this Sunday, no need to be turning up to the game feeling peckish.............
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0409/380449-donegal-mcbrearty/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0409/380449-donegal-mcbrearty/)
Heffo, take a seat:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHbR4n4CcAAvf_-.jpg)
Quote from: muppet on April 09, 2013, 06:53:40 PM
Heffo, take a seat:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHbR4n4CcAAvf_-.jpg)
I'm not taking his seat, he'd bate the head off you
Quote from: Tubberman on April 09, 2013, 05:51:45 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 09, 2013, 05:43:25 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 09, 2013, 05:01:30 PM
Ah 2001, the year Mayo were League Champions, Roscommon were Connacht Champions and Galway were AI Champions. A Crazy year!
Yeah and Sligo made it to the league semi finals as well if my memory isn't letting me down.
Come to think of it, didn't all four of the above contest the semis that year?
They did - all 4 semi-finalists were from Connacht. That was the year of foot and mouth disease, the northern teams couldn't travel down and we couldn't go up as far as I remember.
Mayo beat Roscommon in the League Semi final.
Mayo beat Galway in the League Final.
Roscommon Beat Galway in the Connacht Championship.
Roscommon Beat Mayo in the Connacht Final.
Galway beat Roscommon in the AI Quarter final.
All pointers seem to be pointing to a Dublin win. They beat us already. Only Tyrone have beaten them at home. Dublin topped the actual league table and the league table never lies. Dublin by 4 again methinks.
I'm very worried Mayo will get eaten alive on Sunday. Not sure who'll win the actual football though.
Mayo have beaten us in our last two knockout games in Croke Park so we have it all to do on Sunday
Fancy the dubs to sharpen their teeth for the final. Going forward I could see the introduction of gumshields really hampering them.
Quote from: rrhf on April 09, 2013, 11:23:39 PM
Fancy the dubs to sharpen their teeth for the final. Going forward I could see the introduction of gumshields really hampering them.
More likely to affect your lads in fairness.
Mayo can be tasty at times alright.
Is there extra time for these semis if its a draw, or do we go straight to a replay next week?
Quote from: Hound on April 10, 2013, 12:09:17 PM
Is there extra time for these semis if its a draw, or do we go straight to a replay next week?
Was extra-time last year anyway - we needed it against Kerry.
Presume it'll be the same again this year.
Quote from: highorlow on April 08, 2013, 09:43:55 AM
With both teams now safely back in Div 1 and still in their 'championship training schedules' this game will be won by the team that treats it as less of a hindrance. The only thing that will concern both managers is avoiding injuries. Won't be any heavy tackles going in from either side and expect a high scoring game with plenty of goals.
If there's plenty of goals, Dublin will win as we (Mayo) don't score goals. Dublin the form team. I expect them to get a safe four point win.
Weather permitting I'm expecting Sunday to be a cracking game of football. Mayo are capable of winning and there backs are on a upward spiral when measure since they last played Dublin. They did a fantastic job on Murphy & McFadden against Donegal a few weeks back, and there second half performance that day really saved us (I think they were two or three Donegal scoring chances which they turned over at a pivotal point in the game). With that in mind, I'm hoping we can keep Brogan quieter than 1-10! How much quieter I haven't a clue lol.
However, we're not scoring enough and unless that changes we won't beat this Dublin team. They're playing lovely football and are shutting teams attacks off very effectively, while scoring loads. Their are well organised and their system is working. I think Mayo have turned a corner with the last two wins, but they have problems to sort out & this is the time of year to find those and work on for Galway Championship game.
Dublin to win, with a real improved performance from Mayo, but midfield domination not turned into scores.
Mayo football fans were more worried about getting a result against Cork last weekend and seem to care little or nothing about Sunday. It seems staying with the big boys in Division One is way more important than winning an actual (League) Title. Anyway good to get another competitive game and shorten the weeks to playing Galway on the 19th May (just over five weeks away). If (and that's a big if) we get to the final that will bring us two weeks closer as the final is on the 28th of April. No one in Connacht has done 3 in a row since Galway 82-84 and Galway will be out to keep that stat in tact.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 11, 2013, 05:33:09 PM
Mayo football fans were more worried about getting a result against Cork last weekend and seem to care little or nothing about Sunday. It seems staying with the big boys in Division One is way more important than winning an actual (League) Title. Anyway good to get another competitive game and shorten the weeks to playing Galway on the 19th May (just over five weeks away). If (and that's a big if) we get to the final that will bring us two weeks closer as the final is on the 28th of April. No one in Connacht has done 3 in a row since Galway 82-84 and Galway will be out to keep that stat in tact.
3 in a row is formality for Mayo at this stage. The main question is can they do 4 in a row which was last done by the mighty men of Roscommon.
And can i say, a very good Roscommon outfit. were worthy of at least one All Ireland then...sufficed with a league I think. Finneran, Earley, Lindsay, McManus, keegan, left it behind them v Dubs semi final 1979.
Quote from: ross4life on April 11, 2013, 07:08:24 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 11, 2013, 05:33:09 PM
Mayo football fans were more worried about getting a result against Cork last weekend and seem to care little or nothing about Sunday. It seems staying with the big boys in Division One is way more important than winning an actual (League) Title. Anyway good to get another competitive game and shorten the weeks to playing Galway on the 19th May (just over five weeks away). If (and that's a big if) we get to the final that will bring us two weeks closer as the final is on the 28th of April. No one in Connacht has done 3 in a row since Galway 82-84 and Galway will be out to keep that stat in tact.
3 in a row is formality for Mayo at this stage. The main question is can they do 4 in a row which was last done by the mighty men of Roscommon.
Do you think so? Jez there is always a sting in the tail in Connacht championship when it comes to Roscommon and Galway. And I would not be discounting Sligo either. We did not exactly roll Sligo over in the Connacht final last year!
Shit, wrong thread-thought this was the Dubs v Mayo league sf page
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 11, 2013, 08:19:09 PM
Quote from: ross4life on April 11, 2013, 07:08:24 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 11, 2013, 05:33:09 PM
Mayo football fans were more worried about getting a result against Cork last weekend and seem to care little or nothing about Sunday. It seems staying with the big boys in Division One is way more important than winning an actual (League) Title. Anyway good to get another competitive game and shorten the weeks to playing Galway on the 19th May (just over five weeks away). If (and that's a big if) we get to the final that will bring us two weeks closer as the final is on the 28th of April. No one in Connacht has done 3 in a row since Galway 82-84 and Galway will be out to keep that stat in tact.
3 in a row is formality for Mayo at this stage. The main question is can they do 4 in a row which was last done by the mighty men of Roscommon.
Do you think so? Jez there is always a sting in the tail in Connacht championship when it comes to Roscommon and Galway. And I would not be discounting Sligo either. We did not exactly roll Sligo over in the Connacht final last year!
No, Sligo don't roll over for anyone if they get their dander up, like they did in the first half last year.
Back to the topic, I don't see Mayo getting a win on Sunday, but they should treat each and every game from now on as a championship match. Let's see how far that attitude - if it's shown by the players - brings them on Sunday anyway. If not, I expect Dublin to win easily.
Quote from: ross4life on April 11, 2013, 07:08:24 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 11, 2013, 05:33:09 PM
Mayo football fans were more worried about getting a result against Cork last weekend and seem to care little or nothing about Sunday. It seems staying with the big boys in Division One is way more important than winning an actual (League) Title. Anyway good to get another competitive game and shorten the weeks to playing Galway on the 19th May (just over five weeks away). If (and that's a big if) we get to the final that will bring us two weeks closer as the final is on the 28th of April. No one in Connacht has done 3 in a row since Galway 82-84 and Galway will be out to keep that stat in tact.
3 in a row is formality for Mayo at this stage. The main question is can they do 4 in a row which was last done by the mighty men of Roscommon.
You can do better wind ups than that!
Edit: some seem to have bitten though.
Any word on teams?
Quote from: southsidejohnny on April 11, 2013, 07:59:32 PM
And can i say, a very good Roscommon outfit. were worthy of at least one All Ireland then...sufficed with a league I think. Finneran, Earley, Lindsay, McManus, keegan, left it behind them v Dubs semi final 1979.
Indeed they had very good side that was worthy of All Ireland. Regrets no doubt & who knows when we will reach that level again.
Quote from: sans pessimism on April 11, 2013, 08:42:00 PM
Shit, wrong thread-thought this was the Dubs v Mayo league sf page
Relax. Mayo have already achieved their league objective anything else is bonus now.
Quote from: muppet on April 11, 2013, 09:57:16 PM
You can do better wind ups than that!
Well i could but i wasn't doing it on this occasion.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 11, 2013, 08:19:09 PM
Do you think so? Jez there is always a sting in the tail in Connacht championship when it comes to Roscommon and Galway. And I would not be discounting Sligo either. We did not exactly roll Sligo over in the Connacht final last year!
I do think so. We haven't stung Mayo in Connacht since 2001 would have to go back to the 80s since did it in McHale park. Sligo have their work cut out to get over London,Leitrim if they do reach the final i have no doubt they will give Mayo another good game but they will come up short again. Galway like ourselves are rebuilding they have the advantage of playing in better league division than us though it's highly unlikely they will be able to beat Mayo.
Quote from: sans pessimism on April 11, 2013, 08:42:00 PM
Shit, wrong thread-thought this was the Dubs v Mayo league sf page
Its now The Connacht Championship Thread. I thought there was a thread for that.
Hi guys,
Tactical preview of Dublin vs Mayo now up http://action81.com/blog/?p=7092
Thanks,
Emmet
Team to be named later tonight
(thats the team to play Dublin, Ross4-I think
he'll resist naming the c/ship team for
another few weeks)
AOS had a good interview on Newstalk the other night. The focus is really on the match on the 19th May by the sounds of things and whatever happens on Sunday happens.
I haven't read Emmet's preview yet but league games seem to suit Kildare and Dublin more than anyone else and throughout the league the Dubs have been given free reign at mid-field. This won't be the case on Sunday.
We will crowd out the mid-field area or the 'middle 3rd' as it is called these days and with MacLoughlan back on top form I would fancy us to be winning plenty of ball to supply the forwards and also to stop the Dublin attack. As long as we can convert this expected possession into scores and keep 15 men on the field for the match (our discipline has been poor during the league) we should maintain the good record over the Dubs.
Quote from: highorlow on April 12, 2013, 10:27:59 AM
AOS had a good interview on Newstalk the other night. The focus is really on the match on the 19th May by the sounds of things and whatever happens on Sunday happens.
I haven't read Emmet's preview yet but league games seem to suit Kildare and Dublin more than anyone else and throughout the league the Dubs have been given free reign at mid-field. This won't be the case on Sunday.
We will crowd out the mid-field area or the 'middle 3rd' as it is called these days and with MacLoughlan back on top form I would fancy us to be winning plenty of ball to supply the forwards and also to stop the Dublin attack. As long as we can convert this expected possession into scores and keep 15 men on the field for the match (our discipline has been poor during the league) we should maintain the good record over the Dubs.
What was different in the normal league game back in March?
QuoteWhat was different in the normal league game back in March?
We were outdone in midfield and by perhaps not yer strongest pairing of O'Mahony and O'Sullivan.
This won't happen on Sunday as our workrate and personnel in the midfield area / middle 3rd has improved significantly over the last 2 games.
Add to the fact that Clarke (i don't think he was in goals in the March game) will be able to pump our own kick out's as far up the field to AOS spells trouble for the Dubs.
Another factor is the match will be played during the day and on a Sunday and in milder conditions which avoids our lads having to be faffing about the night before and waiting around all day on Sat for the match.
If Barry Moran was fit I would be more confident we could dominate possession enough to keep the Dubs in check. The biggest problem from the game in March was we were wiped out at midfield and half forward for the breaking ball which put our backs under pressure. In the semi final Caff was able to limit the damage Bernard Brogan could inflict because we won the battle of the middle third for about 50 mins. I think to win we are going to have to dominate here even more than last August because we lack that creative spark Dillion gives us along with the 2 or 3 points he generally fires over from distance.
We will be more competitive for the "dirty ball" around the middle because of Carolan and the return to form of Kevin Mac but Gibbons and Seami will need to step it up from the Cork game if we are to dominate and the ball has to played in more accurately to stick in the full forward line by vary the diagonal ball to the corners with precise low ball in front of our men. We'll need Boyle and Keegan to get there running game going along with MacLoughlin and Aidan to keep the Dubs half back occupied so they don't just sit back and cut out the diagonal and low Ball need for our inside line.
I would like to see Cunniffe back at CHB because I think he's a bit steadier than Donie at the moment but I would keep the full back line from the last day. The silly turnovers we have been so fond of giving will surely be terminal against a Dublin team that have been excellent in counter attacking from the middle through a running game and long distance scoring.
In short I think we'll be closer to the Dubs than in March but unless we can sustain our composure in attack along with the intensity for the full 70 mins we'll lose assuming the Dubs hit the level they have maintained in the league excluding the Tyrone game. So the probable outcome will be the Dubs by a couple in a good fast hard attacking game the will have a championship feel to it.
Quote from: highorlow on April 12, 2013, 12:16:16 PM
QuoteWhat was different in the normal league game back in March?
We were outdone in midfield and by perhaps not yer strongest pairing of O'Mahony and O'Sullivan.
This won't happen on Sunday as our workrate and personnel in the midfield area / middle 3rd has improved significantly over the last 2 games.
Add to the fact that Clarke (i don't think he was in goals in the March game) will be able to pump our own kick out's as far up the field to AOS spells trouble for the Dubs.
Another factor is the match will be played during the day and on a Sunday and in milder conditions which avoids our lads having to be faffing about the night before and waiting around all day on Sat for the match.
Agree about midfield - that would be the first place any team should target.
Quote from: heffo on April 12, 2013, 12:44:13 PM
Quote from: highorlow on April 12, 2013, 12:16:16 PM
QuoteWhat was different in the normal league game back in March?
We were outdone in midfield and by perhaps not yer strongest pairing of O'Mahony and O'Sullivan.
This won't happen on Sunday as our workrate and personnel in the midfield area / middle 3rd has improved significantly over the last 2 games.
Add to the fact that Clarke (i don't think he was in goals in the March game) will be able to pump our own kick out's as far up the field to AOS spells trouble for the Dubs.
Another factor is the match will be played during the day and on a Sunday and in milder conditions which avoids our lads having to be faffing about the night before and waiting around all day on Sat for the match.
Agree about midfield - that would be the first place any team should target.
Who do think is your best pairing here heffo? I've been very impressed with Cian O' Sullivan and for me Mc Cauley is one of the top midfielders in the country. Would you put the two together or would there be a better balance with one of the above paired with somebody like Bastic, Dyas or maybe even Paul Flynn?
Quote from: Crete Boom on April 12, 2013, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 12, 2013, 12:44:13 PM
Quote from: highorlow on April 12, 2013, 12:16:16 PM
QuoteWhat was different in the normal league game back in March?
We were outdone in midfield and by perhaps not yer strongest pairing of O'Mahony and O'Sullivan.
This won't happen on Sunday as our workrate and personnel in the midfield area / middle 3rd has improved significantly over the last 2 games.
Add to the fact that Clarke (i don't think he was in goals in the March game) will be able to pump our own kick out's as far up the field to AOS spells trouble for the Dubs.
Another factor is the match will be played during the day and on a Sunday and in milder conditions which avoids our lads having to be faffing about the night before and waiting around all day on Sat for the match.
Agree about midfield - that would be the first place any team should target.
Who do think is your best pairing here heffo? I've been very impressed with Cian O' Sullivan and for me Mc Cauley is one of the top midfielders in the country. Would you put the two together or would there be a better balance with one of the above paired with somebody like Bastic, Dyas or maybe even Paul Flynn?
Very hard to say who'll start in the championship.
Looks like O'Sullivan will + one of McAuley/Bastic - McAuley has been very poor by his own standards this year for the most part
I wouldn't move Paul Flynn from wing forward - very effective there
Dyas was cut from the panel last week
Quote from: heffo on April 12, 2013, 02:38:30 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on April 12, 2013, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 12, 2013, 12:44:13 PM
Quote from: highorlow on April 12, 2013, 12:16:16 PM
QuoteWhat was different in the normal league game back in March?
We were outdone in midfield and by perhaps not yer strongest pairing of O'Mahony and O'Sullivan.
This won't happen on Sunday as our workrate and personnel in the midfield area / middle 3rd has improved significantly over the last 2 games.
Add to the fact that Clarke (i don't think he was in goals in the March game) will be able to pump our own kick out's as far up the field to AOS spells trouble for the Dubs.
Another factor is the match will be played during the day and on a Sunday and in milder conditions which avoids our lads having to be faffing about the night before and waiting around all day on Sat for the match.
Agree about midfield - that would be the first place any team should target.
Who do think is your best pairing here heffo? I've been very impressed with Cian O' Sullivan and for me Mc Cauley is one of the top midfielders in the country. Would you put the two together or would there be a better balance with one of the above paired with somebody like Bastic, Dyas or maybe even Paul Flynn?
Very hard to say who'll start in the championship.
Looks like O'Sullivan will + one of McAuley/Bastic - McAuley has been very poor by his own standards this year for the most part
I wouldn't move Paul Flynn from wing forward - very effective there
Dyas was cut from the panel last week
Very harsh on Dias...................I presumed that was an april fools joke tbh..................Mc Auley needs to start motoring, his form is poor, jesus god forbid fennell gets back in the panel
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on April 12, 2013, 03:44:34 PM
Very harsh on Dias...................I presumed that was an april fools joke tbh..................Mc Auley needs to start motoring, his form is poor, jesus god forbid fennell gets back in the panel
No doubt Dias is a very good club player. Personally don't think he's up to intercounty yet, so I've no problem with him being dropped. But he's still young enough to prove otherwise.
Macauley is a complete headwrecker in terms of the mistakes he makes, easy ball given away, etc. No harm in himself and Flynn getting a kick up the jacksey for their non-performance v Donegal, but I'd still pick him as my first choice midfielder for all his positive attributes.
I wouldnt say anything bad about big Eamo. Made a big contribution in his All Ireland final cameo, which will always be something positive I'll remember about him. But he's supposed to be in the best shape of his life at the moment, so we'll see what his form his like when the club season gets properly underway.
1) David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites (Captain)
2) Kevin Keane - Westport
3) Ger Cafferkey - Ballina Stephenites
4) Chris Barrett - Belmullet
5) Lee Keegan - Westport
6) Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
7) Colm Boyle - Davitts
8 ) Jason Gibbons - Ballintubber
9) Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
10) Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
11) Aidan O'Shea - Breaffy
12) Cathal Carolan - Crossmolina
13) Cillian O'Connor - Ballintubber
14) Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
15) Michael Conroy - Davitts
16) Kenneth O'Malley - Ballinrobe
17) Shane McHale - Knockmore
18) Michael Walsh - Ardnaree
19) Richie Feeney - Castlebar Mitchels
20) Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
21) Enda Varley - Garrymore
22) Evan Regan - Ballina Stephenites
23) Brian Gallagher - Claremorris
24) Darren Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
25) Alan Murphy - Ballinrobe
26) Alan Freeman - Aghamore
Strong team. Only Higgins, Dillon and the Morans would be dislodging any of those.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHrhcvWCEAE7zFR.jpg)
Brogan and Andrews... :-\ Hopefully our middle section might prevent much ball going into them this time round. I wouldn't be confident of Vaughan at no 6 either, though he seemed to play ok the last day there.
Quote from: emmetryan on April 12, 2013, 08:22:56 AM
Hi guys,
Tactical preview of Dublin vs Mayo now up http://action81.com/blog/?p=7092
Thanks,
Emmet
Having watched your bizarre analysis & predictions on Seo Sport last week your credibility is kinda shot as far as I'm concerned.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 12, 2013, 10:49:21 PM
Brogan and Andrews... :-\ Hopefully our middle section might prevent much ball going into them this time round. I wouldn't be confident of Vaughan at no 6 either, though he seemed to play ok the last day there.
Don't know about that, ropey enough IMO.
Quote from: muppet on April 12, 2013, 07:49:31 PM
Strong team. Only Higgins, Dillon and the Morans would be dislodging any of those.
I think you are right. This side is about the best available.
What has happened to Tom Cuniffe?
I thought he'd get in before Donie Vauhan but he's not even on the panel. Must have an injury but I haven't heard about it.
Quote from: ballinaman on April 12, 2013, 11:15:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 12, 2013, 10:49:21 PM
Brogan and Andrews... :-\ Hopefully our middle section might prevent much ball going into them this time round. I wouldn't be confident of Vaughan at no 6 either, though he seemed to play ok the last day there.
Don't know about that, ropey enough IMO.
That's going by MWR's commentary. I didn't bother waiting to see the thing deferred. Once we qualified it was good enough for me!
Even Máirtín Beag was suggesting today we should play Higgins at 6.
Maybe it s not such a great idea after all ::)
Anyway with Higgins, Morans and Dillon absent it would be a hell of a thing if we made a league final.
Thought McHale unlucky not to start again.
Heard Burke is back in panel - be nice if he was used a bit more this time so he wont leave again. I dont think Walsh got a minute in the league? If so that means only himself and Alan Murphy of next Sunday's 26 got no time.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 12, 2013, 11:41:16 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 12, 2013, 11:15:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 12, 2013, 10:49:21 PM
Brogan and Andrews... :-\ Hopefully our middle section might prevent much ball going into them this time round. I wouldn't be confident of Vaughan at no 6 either, though he seemed to play ok the last day there.
Don't know about that, ropey enough IMO.
That's going by MWR's commentary. I didn't bother waiting to see the thing deferred. Once we qualified it was good enough for me!
I was down, seems like if he's not on the ball regularly he finds it hard to get into the game, can seem lost.
Haven't heard re Cunniffe, presume a knock hopefully.
Correct moysider re Walsh and Murphy.
Can't let MDM and O'Sullivan lord it at midfield this time round. Kevin McLoughlin has returned to form in contrast to the earlier league games, himself, Keegan and Boyle on the breaks will be vital.
Better than a training session, bonus territory on Sunday. Up Mayo
Diarmuid Connolly only plays well on loose marker, it's best that Mayo take Donal Vaughan off him.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 13, 2013, 12:19:08 AM
Diarmuid Connolly only plays well on loose marker, it's best that Mayo take Donal Vaughan off him.
Correct. I cant see Connolly start at 11 either though?
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on April 12, 2013, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on April 12, 2013, 08:22:56 AM
Hi guys,
Tactical preview of Dublin vs Mayo now up http://action81.com/blog/?p=7092
Thanks,
Emmet
Having watched your bizarre analysis & predictions on Seo Sport last week your credibility is kinda shot as far as I'm concerned.
Well thanks for watching but while my predictions stank I'm a little surprised by your issues with the analysis. I work off what I see, like anyone, look for patterns and then try to assess how teams will adjust to each other. Sometimes that goes pretty well on the presiction side, I went 16/17 last championship season but that defied probability as therw should have been more random variance to throw me off.
experimental dublin line-up.
Makeshift in the full back line due to all the injuries.
A wing back playing midfield.
Debutante at wing forward.
Gavin has one eye on the championship.
A win is a bonus for us
Nice one Indy, that dub team isn't far off the championship 15.
Quote from: Zulu on April 13, 2013, 12:54:27 PM
Nice one Indy, that dub team isn't far off the championship 15.
Missing
Mick Fitsimons
Rory O Carroll
Kevin Nolan
Ciaran Kilkenny
Alan Brogan
Bryan Cullen
James Mc Carthy
Of those at least 3 will start if fit come June. Maybe more.
Quote from: emmetryan on April 13, 2013, 11:00:32 AM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on April 12, 2013, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on April 12, 2013, 08:22:56 AM
Hi guys,
Tactical preview of Dublin vs Mayo now up http://action81.com/blog/?p=7092
Thanks,
Emmet
Having watched your bizarre analysis & predictions on Seo Sport last week your credibility is kinda shot as far as I'm concerned.
Well thanks for watching but while my predictions stank I'm a little surprised by your issues with the analysis. I work off what I see, like anyone, look for patterns and then try to assess how teams will adjust to each other. Sometimes that goes pretty well on the presiction side, I went 16/17 last championship season but that defied probability as therw should have been more random variance to throw me off.
Emmet - analysis of patterns is one thing but you were quite disparaging & dismissive of the Dublin hurling team. And yes your predictions did indeed stink!
QuoteEmmet - analysis of patterns is one thing but you were quite disparaging & dismissive of the Dublin hurling team. And yes your predictions did indeed stink!
Ah jesus Hill that's a bit harsh. Emmet is like any good team he peaks for the championship and might be a bit off for the league. 16 from 17 in last years predictions is very impressive compared to any of the so called 'experts' knocking about in the meeja these days.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 13, 2013, 12:28:15 PM
experimental dublin line-up.
Makeshift in the full back line due to all the injuries.
A wing back playing midfield.
Debutante at wing forward.
Gavin has one eye on the championship.
A win is a bonus for us
A win is a bonus for all 4 teams left. A chance of another day out in 2 weeks time and a title thrown in for good measure. Mayo are more so than the other three in Bonus territory. We were only looking at survival, and this has fell in our laps. Mayo are about two and a quarter with most bookies, which is about right taking into account form, injuries and Dublin playing in headquarters.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 13, 2013, 01:01:47 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 13, 2013, 12:54:27 PM
Nice one Indy, that dub team isn't far off the championship 15.
Missing
Mick Fitsimons
Rory O Carroll
Kevin Nolan
Ciaran Kilkenny
Alan Brogan
Bryan Cullen
James Mc Carthy
Of those at least 3 will start if fit come June. Maybe more.
Rory O'Carroll,is the only certain starter from that group. Nolan is fit now is he not so it doesn't look good for him and McCarthy and Fitsimons are certainly not sure of starting. Brogan and Kilkenny could very well start alright but Brogan may not get back from injury and Kilkenny would still have to perform to keep his position unlike Bernard Brogan for example who could have a few bad games and still expect to start. Besides, all the current replacements keep Dublin strong.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 13, 2013, 01:01:47 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 13, 2013, 12:54:27 PM
Nice one Indy, that dub team isn't far off the championship 15.
Missing
Mick Fitsimons
Rory O Carroll
Kevin Nolan
Ciaran Kilkenny
Alan Brogan
Bryan Cullen
James Mc Carthy
Of those at least 3 will start if fit come June. Maybe more.
A Dillon
A Moran
B Moran
K Higgins
T Cunniffe
If fit at least 3 of those will start come May.
Top teams have strong panels you could use the excuse of players missing in every game. Dublin from what i have seen are going all out to win this league will be a blow to them if they don't.
Anyone have a season ticket they're not using for the games tomorrow?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 13, 2013, 05:01:17 PM
Top teams have strong panels you could use the excuse of players missing in every game. Dublin from what i have seen are going all out to win this league will be a blow to them if they don't.
Not sure what games you've been watching but Gavin has rested key players and not started others that will be automatic starters come summer so don't see how that policy can be construed as being all out to win the league
Quote from: heffo on April 13, 2013, 05:40:04 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 13, 2013, 05:01:17 PM
Top teams have strong panels you could use the excuse of players missing in every game. Dublin from what i have seen are going all out to win this league will be a blow to them if they don't.
Not sure what games you've been watching but Gavin has rested key players and not started others that will be automatic starters come summer so don't see how that policy can be construed as being all out to win the league
...for the League Final.
Quote from: heffo on April 13, 2013, 05:40:04 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 13, 2013, 05:01:17 PM
Top teams have strong panels you could use the excuse of players missing in every game. Dublin from what i have seen are going all out to win this league will be a blow to them if they don't.
Not sure what games you've been watching but Gavin has rested key players and not started others that will be automatic starters come summer so don't see how that policy can be construed as being all out to win the league
Maybe he's taken the Brian Cody approach. Maybe he trusts the players to do the job...and wants those key men prove themselves when the championship comes around.
Quote from: heffo on April 13, 2013, 05:40:04 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 13, 2013, 05:01:17 PM
Top teams have strong panels you could use the excuse of players missing in every game. Dublin from what i have seen are going all out to win this league will be a blow to them if they don't.
Not sure what games you've been watching but Gavin has rested key players and not started others that will be automatic starters come summer so don't see how that policy can be construed as being all out to win the league
Dublin secured a semi final spot after their fourth game against Kildare that day they scored 2-20. Naturally the last three games Dublin eased off and rested players for the bigger and more important games ahead.
"lucht na morán!" ;D ;D ;D
Jez >:(
Vaughan is very frustrating. He gets loads of ball and into great positions and then makes poor decisions. However he doesn't do enough defensively.
Quote from: muppet on April 14, 2013, 04:12:40 PM
Vaughan is very frustrating. He gets loads of ball and into great positions and then makes poor decisions. However he doesn't do enough defensively.
Dublin are giving him space. As if they don't care if he has the ball!
It's like Dublin are managed by Rinus Michels, they are the new version of the 70s Dutch. Dutch Gold one could almost say.
Dublin going all out to reach the final 2-9 is some scoring for the first half. Mayo look happy with the extra game and playing it without numbers back isn't working for them.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 14, 2013, 04:25:07 PM
Dublin going all out to reach the final 2-9 is some scoring for the first half. Mayo look happy with the extra game and playing it without numbers back isn't working for them.
We had as goal chances as good if not better but you never felt like we would score either of them. Dubs in this form will take their chances. If we can get motoring early in the second half we might ask a few questions.
A O'S is being skinned by his HB on the back foot. Horan is doing nothing but over-thinking by putting one of the best midfielders in the country in as a centre forward. Play players in the positions they're best at, particularly if the new match-up creates a defensive liability.
The Dublin number 3 doesn't look that convincing. Conroy has the beating of him inside. Kevin Keane looks to be a weak link at the other end.
Game still there for Mayo. When they get their period of dominance this half they'll have to make it count.
They'll need to rattle the net at least once
A few (really) soft frees for Mayo at the start of the second half. Like the first game Dublin have a nice lead to keep Mayo at arms length.
Poor second half not many scores from play. Both sides have missed goal chances.
Poor Mayo performance. Plenty for Horan to think about. Not that there was little to think about before the game. Well done Dublin, a good final v Tyrone awaits. Mayo now look to the real business of dealing with Galway in a few weeks time.
Mayo haven't learned their lessons from last year about persistant and cynical fouling- a stronger/better ref would have destroyed them.
Very fit and work hard though. Doubt if they are in the top 5 in the country though.
Dublin v wasteful only playing at 75% imo and resorted to cynical fouling in the last 10 mins when they didn't need to.
Dub links biggest prob is having too many good players and picking the best team/ bedding in the new lads. Still trying to find BB too much.
Dub v tyr - look forward to that!
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 14, 2013, 05:24:48 PM
Mayo haven't learned their lessons from last year about persistant and cynical fouling- a stronger/better ref would have destroyed them.
Very fit and work hard though. Doubt if they are in the top 5 in the country though.
Dublin v wasteful only playing at 75% imo and resorted to cynical fouling in the last 10 mins when they didn't need to.
Dub links biggest prob is having too many good players and picking the best team/ bedding in the new lads. Still trying to find BB too much.
Dub v tyr - look forward to that!
Would not read much into today. Dublin have been gearing up for this for weeks. Mayo have been gearing up for a week. As for Mayo being top 5? There is much of a muchness. There are so many ordinary teams out there, it's not beyond them to be top 5. Now top 3 that's a different story? As for the cynical fouling. Well we've been
nice for years. Dubln, Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal and Cork are all cynical. So we are all in the same win at all costs boat. It's up to the Ref to be strong. We're not there to please the referee.
As usual a short spell where we concede heavily costs us big. The 2-1 scored in a couple of minutes was the difference on the scoreboard but our inability to take goal chances is becoming comical at this stage.
Other than that it was actually a good showing against the juggernaut of 2013 so far.
Caff did really well on Brogan again, I'd hate to think what the score would have been if he hadn't. We struggled badly though with both CBs and CHB. Keith Higgins will fix one of these problems but only one.
Barry Moran will be a big addition up front but what to do about the bad decision making from midfield up. I can see why AOS is picked at CHF as he seems to be the only one who can select and make sensible passes other than C O'C who we need receiving them. Conroy is a real handful but still mixes the daft stuff with the very effective.
Lynchboy I'd like to see the fouling stats as I reckon they would be even. The Dubs though stopped all quick frees which was obviously a tactic. It is up to the ref to deal with that and he didn't.
Finally we need to be far better on kickouts from both ends. We have no plan B on ours and no plan A on theirs.
jeez listening to Billy Fitz on mad west and he would depress anybody.Anybody would think that we were completely useless and might as well not bother going to Salthill in a few weeks.This is our 3rd do or die game in 3 weeks and we just did not have it today
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2013, 05:24:53 PM
In all seriousness, I think the Dubs going out of the U-21 early, BiBi coming back and of course home advantage all adds up to a good day for Heffo.
Dubs by 8.
Pretty close.
Quote from: maigheo on April 14, 2013, 05:41:29 PM
jeez listening to Billy Fitz on mad west and he would depress anybody.Anybody would think that we were completely useless and might as well not bother going to Salthill in a few weeks.This is our 3rd do or die game in 3 weeks and we just did not have it today
+1
Have stopped listening, even when away games are not on the telly. I just look at updates on the Telly/internet.
Just about in the end. Will need a big improvement to get near Tyrone who have already beaten us comfortably this year.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 14, 2013, 05:48:42 PM
Quote from: maigheo on April 14, 2013, 05:41:29 PM
jeez listening to Billy Fitz on mad west and he would depress anybody.Anybody would think that we were completely useless and might as well not bother going to Salthill in a few weeks.This is our 3rd do or die game in 3 weeks and we just did not have it today
+1
Have stopped listening, even when away games are not on the telly. I just look at updates on the Telly/internet.
It always amazes me how much rage people direct at their local radio stations. Mayo have it very lucky.
Quote from: heffo on April 14, 2013, 05:48:55 PM
Just about in the end. Will need a big improvement to get near Tyrone who have already beaten us comfortably this year.
You Dubs are falling over yourselves to convinces us what we are seeing is not, in fact, what we are seeing. The AI is a cup competition so anything can happen but the Dubs are undoubtedly the team to beat in 2013.
Yep, Dublin are the team/squad of the moment. Scary thing is there is a conveyor belt of young talent coming through. Young winning talent.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 14, 2013, 05:35:29 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 14, 2013, 05:24:48 PM
Mayo haven't learned their lessons from last year about persistant and cynical fouling- a stronger/better ref would have destroyed them.
Very fit and work hard though. Doubt if they are in the top 5 in the country though.
Dublin v wasteful only playing at 75% imo and resorted to cynical fouling in the last 10 mins when they didn't need to.
Dub links biggest prob is having too many good players and picking the best team/ bedding in the new lads. Still trying to find BB too much.
Dub v tyr - look forward to that!
Would not read much into today. Dublin have been gearing up for this for weeks. Mayo have been gearing up for a week. As for Mayo being top 5? There is much of a muchness. There are so many ordinary teams out there, it's not beyond them to be top 5. Now top 3 that's a different story? As for the cynical fouling. Well we've been nice for years. Dubln, Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal and Cork are all cynical. So we are all in the same win at all costs boat. It's up to the Ref to be strong. We're not there to please the referee.
Dublin have no more geared up for this then Rory Mc Illroy would for the Portrush scratch cup.
If you all want to keep believing it - please do ;D
Barely got out of third gear. Didn't have to. Mayo were dire for long stretches. However they still troubled us at the back. Despite our attacking flair increasing. We're far more open at the back then previous years. O Carroll is missed at the back in a big way.
Mannion had a fine game. Most of our lads were fine really.
I'm not sure where Mayo are going anymore. I wouldn't be worried for them because they lost- the manner of the defeat and how easily they were cut open at the back was extraordinary. Would see better defending at u15 level.
Dublin motoring well but championship is a different kettle of fish. Lot of silly talk in the media about us unfortunately.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 14, 2013, 06:23:17 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 14, 2013, 05:35:29 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 14, 2013, 05:24:48 PM
Mayo haven't learned their lessons from last year about persistant and cynical fouling- a stronger/better ref would have destroyed them.
Very fit and work hard though. Doubt if they are in the top 5 in the country though.
Dublin v wasteful only playing at 75% imo and resorted to cynical fouling in the last 10 mins when they didn't need to.
Dub links biggest prob is having too many good players and picking the best team/ bedding in the new lads. Still trying to find BB too much.
Dub v tyr - look forward to that!
Would not read much into today. Dublin have been gearing up for this for weeks. Mayo have been gearing up for a week. As for Mayo being top 5? There is much of a muchness. There are so many ordinary teams out there, it's not beyond them to be top 5. Now top 3 that's a different story? As for the cynical fouling. Well we've been nice for years. Dubln, Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal and Cork are all cynical. So we are all in the same win at all costs boat. It's up to the Ref to be strong. We're not there to please the referee.
Dublin have no more geared up for this then Rory Mc Illroy would for the Portrush scratch cup.
If you all want to keep believing it - please do ;D
Barely got out of third gear. Didn't have to. Mayo were dire for long stretches. However they still troubled us at the back. Despite our attacking flair increasing. We're far more open at the back then previous years. O Carroll is missed at the back in a big way.
Mannion had a fine game. Most of our lads were fine really.
I'm not sure where Mayo are going anymore. I wouldn't be worried for them because they lost- the manner of the defeat and how easily they were cut open at the back was extraordinary. Would see better defending at u15 level.
Dublin motoring well but championship is a different kettle of fish. Lot of silly talk in the media about us unfortunately.
We have hit a peak, if you call call it that. It happens. Teams get a new Manager, get better, new players are brought in, standards rise, players who you thought were good before the standard rise are shown up because you are playing bigger teams and you either reach the summit (AI Title) or you float some where near the top for a while and fade away. That's us! Our Standard has risen from two years ago, we've got a good bit up the hill. But we don't have the quality to go any higher.
Dublin look awesome! I really can't see Tyrone beating them on 28th April. Mayo conceded early goals again!! This is a long running theme and where teams have repeatable targeted Mayo. I thought we had turned a corner defensibly, but we haven't, and players got caught between marking players and marking space.
Great to see that we scored more and particular created loads of goals chances! Pity we didn't convert them, but that can be remedy come 19th April :)
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Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 14, 2013, 05:24:48 PM
Mayo haven't learned their lessons from last year about persistant and cynical fouling- a stronger/better ref would have destroyed them.
Very fit and work hard though. Doubt if they are in the top 5 in the country though.
Dublin v wasteful only playing at 75% imo and resorted to cynical fouling in the last 10 mins when they didn't need to.
Dub links biggest prob is having too many good players and picking the best team/ bedding in the new lads. Still trying to find BB too much.
Dub v tyr - look forward to that!
Would not read much into today. Dublin have been gearing up for this for weeks. Mayo have been gearing up for a week. As for Mayo being top 5? There is much of a muchness. There are so many ordinary teams out there, it's not beyond them to be top 5. Now top 3 that's a different story? As for the cynical fouling. Well we've been nice for years. Dubln, Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal and Cork are all cynical. So we are all in the same win at all costs boat. It's up to the Ref to be strong. We're not there to please the referee.
Dublin have no more geared up for this then Rory Mc Illroy would for the Portrush scratch cup.
If you all want to keep believing it - please do ;D
Barely got out of third gear. Didn't have to. Mayo were dire for long stretches. However they still troubled us at the back. Despite our attacking flair increasing. We're far more open at the back then previous years. O Carroll is missed at the back in a big way.
Mannion had a fine game. Most of our lads were fine really.
I'm not sure where Mayo are going anymore. I wouldn't be worried for them because they lost- the manner of the defeat and how easily they were cut open at the back was extraordinary. Would see better defending at u15 level.
Dublin motoring well but championship is a different kettle of fish. Lot of silly talk in the media about us unfortunately.
We have hit a peak, if you call call it that. It happens. Teams get a new Manager, get better, new players are brought in, standards rise, players who you thought were good before the standard rise are shown up because you are playing bigger teams and you either reach the summit (AI Title) or you float some where near the top for a while and fade away. That's us! Our Standard has risen from two years ago, we've got a good bit up the hill. But we don't have the quality to go any higher.
I don't agree with that. You keep picking lads in the wrong positions. Give a lad a job he can do rather then one he can't. You're still capable of improving 20% in my view
Quote from: INDIANA on April 14, 2013, 06:53:52 PM
I don't agree with that. You keep picking lads in the wrong positions. Give a lad a job he can do rather then one he can't. You're still capable of improving 20% in my view
Ah, this is the time to do the experimenting. So I would not be critical of Horan for trying anything different even today. Look, I'm not being negative, more realistic. Summer will tell a few tales.
Ill swap ya Bastick for A OShea Mayo buckos.......................... fine player
When we get the likes of ROC, AB, EOG and Kilkenny back it will be one hell of a panel to choose 15 from. in my time watching Dublin this is the strongest panel we have ever had. Nothing won yet & Summer football a whole different game but very very encouraged by the way we are going.
There is great young talent coming through plus Gavin has reinvented & rejuvenated the likes of Andrews, Cooper and Devereaux into serious players!
Is Paul Hudson still on the Dublin panel or was he let go? He was playing alright in the O'Byrne Cup and was very good with the U21's last year
Quote from: rodney trotter on April 14, 2013, 08:11:08 PM
Is Paul Hudson still on the Dublin panel or was he let go? He was playing alright in the O'Byrne Cup and was very good with the U21's last year
He is as far as i know. He got injured few weeks back. Very hard to get back in
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 14, 2013, 05:24:48 PM
Mayo haven't learned their lessons from last year about persistant and cynical fouling- a stronger/better ref would have destroyed them.
Very fit and work hard though. Doubt if they are in the top 5 in the country though.Dublin v wasteful only playing at 75% imo and resorted to cynical fouling in the last 10 mins when they didn't need to.
Dub links biggest prob is having too many good players and picking the best team/ bedding in the new lads. Still trying to find BB too much.
Dub v tyr - look forward to that!
Absolute nonsense. Dublin conceded more than twice as many frees today. It was 9-3 at ht and 27-13 at ft. It appears that Mr. Brolly has succeeded with his propaganda. If anything it was Dublin who used the foul as a tactic today - and I m not moaning about it either. Most teams do and we don t do it enough as today s stats clearly show!
As usual we were not cynical enough. Keane should never have let Mannion inside - even if it meant taking an early yellow. Especially as we never play covering defenders until the damage is well and truly done. Keane will probably pay for his lack of cynicism with his championship place after that gaffe.
If you don t rate Mayo top 5 that s your business. But we ve been in the last 4 of the last 4 national competitions so I don t know what criteria youre using to rank teams? Of course teams that don t play in semi s and finals don t get shown up so they must be better? If you dont go out to bat you cant get bowled out.
Admittedly we were dire today and can t say I m surprised. We didn t really want to be there. It was a bonus game and maybe we learned a bit. I actually think we did. At ht Horan finally recognised the system failure that he has had all along when he took off a fullforward and went with a water carrier about the middle third. Whether he sticks with this is another thing. He strikes me as a stubborn type and we all stick to what we know and trust - even though it doesn t work. The change did not completely shore up our defense however because we don t know what we are supposed to be doing. Our CHB is hardly ever in a covering position and our midfield too slow on the retreat. Our fitness levels probably too low at this time of year to bring the intensity to the game that Dublin showed today. Our change in shape was also a case of locking the dooor after the horse has bolted - yet again! That s the annoying thing. We don t give ourselves a chance the way we set out our stall. The 2 goals effectively finished the game as a contest we could win. We were never going to overhaul a Dublin team that are going as well as that from 8 points down.
Somebody else mentioned the kickout problem. Not too worried about that. We ve managed to rumble Dublin s kickouts in the past when it really mattered. Today wont matter much if the 2 meet later in the year. I suspect we re still keeping powder dry. How we go later depends on injury and James Horan s approach to things.
I d like to see a championship team along the following lines.
Clarke, Walsh, Cafferkey, McHale, Keegan, Higgins, Burke, O Sé, Moran, Boyle, McLoughlin, Dillon, O Connor, Andy, Conroy.
My worry about the above is lack of size. But it s full of pace for a running/supporting/ pressurising type of game. The only lack of pace is in the ff line where we re lacking it badly. A noticably feature of today s game was that our full forwards were always under pressure running onto ball while Dublins were yards when showing for ball which the collected at their ease. That s partly because when there are covering defenders, markers can commit 100% to attacking the ball rather than a damage limitation strategy, Mayo s markers have to employ as they are usually one on one. When they get turned there is usually a crisis as today again showed. Mannion s goal was so like Gooch s in 04 it was unreal. Collected the ball in the same place .
If ogara gets near that dublin team Id eat my y fronts, not a chance
Excellent analysis as usual moysider, like the look of that team too, Burke would bring balance down that left side. Doubt we'll see it though, can't see Horan bringing Higgins out at this stage. Best we can hope for is Cunniffe.
Few things on today.
Fitness levels were without doubt inferior to Dublin. Stopped counting the times where our lads could see where Cluxton's kicks outs were going but simply couldn't catch their markers.
Hospital balls were played at a worrying frequency, giving an awful lot of work to do to the player who go on it.
4, possibly 5 lads played themselves out of a start in Salthill.
Not clinical in front of goal yet again. Dublin by rights should win Sam at a canter, even if a few of their lads go off the boil, the bench is awesome. Going to throw a few bob on Manion as young player of the year tomorrow.
Thought there was a nice bit of needle the game, would love to see another square up in the summer.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on April 14, 2013, 09:40:15 PM
If ogara gets near that dublin team Id eat my y fronts, not a chance
I was surprised to see him mentioned earlier.
Must be getting a bit soft but this is a Dublin team that I could enjoy watching and winning. Likes of McCaffrey and Mannion are great lads and you couldn t but like the likes of the Brogans, McCauley and McManamon. Any team that can still use McMan as an impact sub is in a good place. He scares the living daylights out of me. If I was on a sideline he is one lad I would not like to see coming in with the game stretched and defenders legs are going.
Wasnt in d match, we had a club charity day (well don lads by t way)
Saw it on tv an I taut Mannion and Whelan were top stuff. Still conceding to much for my likin, but its not like wer goin back to Pilar Caffrey days were we just outscore d opponent.
Taut the ref was just brutal. His yellow card for d punch into Coopers face was bad enough, but to allow d score to stand and not award the free? mad reffin. brutal.
Quote from: ballinaman on April 14, 2013, 09:45:39 PM
Excellent analysis as usual moysider, like the look of that team too, Burke would bring balance down that left side. Doubt we'll see it though, can't see Horan bringing Higgins out at this stage. Best we can hope for is Cunniffe.
Few things on today.
Fitness levels were without doubt inferior to Dublin. Stopped counting the times where our lads could see where Cluxton's kicks outs were going but simply couldn't catch their markers.
Hospital balls were played at a worrying frequency, giving an awful lot of work to do to the player who go on it.
4, possibly 5 lads played themselves out of a start in Salthill.
Not clinical in front of goal yet again. Dublin by rights should win Sam at a canter, even if a few of their lads go off the boil, the bench is awesome. Going to throw a few bob on Manion as young player of the year tomorrow.
Thought there was a nice bit of needle the game, would love to see another square up in the summer.
4 at least. That's the good thing about today's game. It was the closest thing to Championship and some hard lessons were learned. In fairness there are 3 to 4 solid regulars injured at the moment to come back in. So there was always going to be players given a run today who would not be starting in Salthill no matter how well they performed. That said there will be one or two regulars sweating it between now and mid May.
Quote from: BartSimpson on April 14, 2013, 10:01:10 PM
Wasnt in d match, we had a club charity day (well don lads by t way)
Saw it on tv an I taut Mannion and Whelan were top stuff. Still conceding to much for my likin, but its not like wer goin back to Pilar Caffrey days were we just outscore d opponent.
Taut the ref was just brutal. His yellow card for d punch into Coopers face was bad enough, but to allow d score to stand and not award the free? mad reffin. brutal.
Are you taking the piss with the text speak?
no
wat do you mean?
Quote from: ballinaman on April 14, 2013, 09:45:39 PM
Excellent analysis as usual moysider, like the look of that team too, Burke would bring balance down that left side. Doubt we'll see it though, can't see Horan bringing Higgins out at this stage. Best we can hope for is Cunniffe.
Few things on today.
Fitness levels were without doubt inferior to Dublin. Stopped counting the times where our lads could see where Cluxton's kicks outs were going but simply couldn't catch their markers.
Hospital balls were played at a worrying frequency, giving an awful lot of work to do to the player who go on it.
4, possibly 5 lads played themselves out of a start in Salthill.
Not clinical in front of goal yet again. Dublin by rights should win Sam at a canter, even if a few of their lads go off the boil, the bench is awesome. Going to throw a few bob on Manion as young player of the year tomorrow.
Thought there was a nice bit of needle the game, would love to see another square up in the summer.
Agree. It can be no surprise to management that a bit of crashing and burning took place. It was almost like management deliberately set us up to leave some lads to sink or swim - maybe no harm in that. I texted a friend before throw-in to express the concern that we had a few dodgy links starting. I was thinking 4. Playing a loose game that is not going to turn out well.
Amazingly, we scored 0- 16 in both Dublin league games this spring. A score usually good enough to get something out of a game. Tyrone might not score that next weekend - but very unlikely that Dublin will be allowed the freedam to score 2-16 either.
I'm going to sleep before I can analyse it properly, but for anyone to take positives from a Mayo point of view, well they are just kidding themselves.
Just wondering why Burke has not featured under the current Mayo management. I saw quite a lot of him in the Dublin Championship and was very impressed.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 14, 2013, 11:08:55 PM
I'm going to sleep before I can analyse it properly, but for anyone to take positives from a Mayo point of view, well they are just kidding themselves.
id have to agree
Paul Flynn has really developed into a top quality player for the Dubs. I wasn't that impressed with him when he came on the scene first.
McAuley is also top class around the middle. Young McCaffrey at wing back looks the part also.
I would agree with the Mayo posters that some lads (Keane for example) may have played themselves out of the starting championship team.
Barry Moran was missed badly today I thought. Of course, Andy Moran and Dillon will make a big difference as well.
I guess Mayo need to build for later in the summer with AI quarter final in mind. Realistically, no team in Connacht is capable of turning them over at the moment. While Mayo are undoubtedly a fairly strong team, this probably says more about how poor the rest of the teams in the West are right now.
Mayo lads - would I be correct in saying that no new players have really been unearthed since last year? Carolan maybe - but not a cert to start when at full strength.
When is Andy Moran due back?
Quote from: INDIANA on April 15, 2013, 12:26:30 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 14, 2013, 11:08:55 PM
I'm going to sleep before I can analyse it properly, but for anyone to take positives from a Mayo point of view, well they are just kidding themselves.
id have to agree
No. There is a positive if Horan and Co. learn the lessons of the last 2 years and many before......... We were better when we got rid of 3 ffs. The game was gone of course by then. You could say that Dublin took the shoe off at that stage but you could also say that they were handed an 8 point lead due to pure incompetence on behalf of Mayo tactics and selection. I suggest we ll find that Tyrone will make it a tighter affair on tactics alone.
Not that I m that optimistic going forward or anything. I suspect that if we do get to the serious business later on that we ll make the same mistakes again.
Quote from: galwayman on April 15, 2013, 12:34:58 AM
Paul Flynn has really developed into a top quality player for the Dubs. I wasn't that impressed with him when he came on the scene first.
McAuley is also top class around the middle. Young McCaffrey at wing back looks the part also.
I would agree with the Mayo posters that some lads (Keane for example) may have played themselves out of the starting championship team.
Barry Moran was missed badly today I thought. Of course, Andy Moran and Dillon will make a big difference as well.
I guess Mayo need to build for later in the summer with AI quarter final in mind. Realistically, no team in Connacht is capable of turning them over at the moment. While Mayo are undoubtedly a fairly strong team, this probably says more about how poor the rest of the teams in the West are right now.
Mayo lads - would I be correct in saying that no new players have really been unearthed since last year? Carolan maybe - but not a cert to start when at full strength.
Sometimes players are right in front of your eyes but you dont get it. I think that has often been Mayo s problem. This league and today has been unreal imo from a Mayo point of view. It s like we ve been competitive with one hand tied behind our backs. A Dublin poster remarked that Dub won without getting out of third gear but equally Mayo were stuck in 2nd for the game. Dublin at least hit something approaching top for 10 minutes. The thing is though there is no certainty that Dublin can find that extra gear on command later when push comes to shove. One thing mailing it in when the oppossition is a rabble like today but .........
As for us ..... I dunno. I wouldn t be surprised if we re still knocking about late and the usual pricks in the media gurning and pissing down on us.
Quote from: moysider on April 15, 2013, 01:12:28 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 15, 2013, 12:26:30 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 14, 2013, 11:08:55 PM
I'm going to sleep before I can analyse it properly, but for anyone to take positives from a Mayo point of view, well they are just kidding themselves.
id have to agree
No. There is a positive if Horan and Co. learn the lessons of the last 2 years and many before......... We were better when we got rid of 3 ffs. The game was gone of course by then. You could say that Dublin took the shoe off at that stage but you could also say that they were handed an 8 point lead due to pure incompetence on behalf of Mayo tactics and selection. I suggest we ll find that Tyrone will make it a tighter affair on tactics alone.
Not that I m that optimistic going forward or anything. I suspect that if we do get to the serious business later on that we ll make the same mistakes again.
I'm sure Tyrone will make it a tight game. But Tyrone are a bit better then Mayo IMO. Mayo badly need Andy moran back. But it could take him another 12 months to be fully fit for this level. They've no attack fulcrum at the minute without him.
Plus we haven't put much effort into making the final. We've about 7 players from the 2011 Team that didn't start today that Gavin will be able to use if he wants.
Our biggest problem will be picking a balanced 15. Sometimes you can have too many options. Regardless of options you can only pick 15 against anyone.
Quote from: BartSimpson on April 14, 2013, 10:13:28 PM
no
wat do you mean?
Maybe heffo thought like I did, that your posts were by some messer pretending to be a thicko Dub.
I think the general rule on this forum is that if you would like people to read, consider, reply to your views, you should be considerate enough to at least try and write it out properly. If you continue to write in text speak, your posts will mostly be ignored.
Strange sort of a game really in that the two goals really seemed to knock the stuffing out of Mayo for a while and we just kept them at arms length for the rest of the game. Would be nice to beat Tyrone and win the League for the first time in a generation or two but it'll be interesting to see how Harte approaches it as well. They outgunned us earlier in in the league so I wonder will it be as open a game again??
Mannion impressed again and I really like Cooper. Lots to look forward to hopefully this year
That was a good run out yesterday and beats any challenge games. Good to see some of the lads getting a chance in Croke Park. Any questions on our championship midfield have been answered as it's clear now that Barry Moran and Aidan O'Shea are the pair.
I would be confident that with Andy, Keith and Barry back we will be a force this year.
Good to see some promising Dublin lads coming through. Fair play to Gavin for giving them a run.
Quote4, possibly 5 lads played themselves out of a start in Salthill.
Not sure if any places were at stake yesterday. I'd say Nallen knows his starting 15 at this stage.
Quote from: highorlow on April 15, 2013, 09:30:57 AM
Quote4, possibly 5 lads played themselves out of a start in Salthill.
Not sure if any places were at stake yesterday. I'd say Nallen knows his starting 15 at this stage.
does JH though??
Quote from: Declan on April 15, 2013, 09:06:46 AM
Strange sort of a game really in that the two goals really seemed to knock the stuffing out of Mayo for a while and we just kept them at arms length for the rest of the game. Would be nice to beat Tyrone and win the League for the first time in a generation or two but it'll be interesting to see how Harte approaches it as well. They outgunned us earlier in in the league so I wonder will it be as open a game again??
Mannion impressed again and I really like Cooper. Lots to look forward to hopefully this year
The number of clearcut goal chances that Mayo created would be a worry. Thankfully Cluxton was able to repel them all. In one way its nearly a pity that Mayo didnt score one of their second half chances, as it would have been interesting to see what happened next with Mayo getting to within 3 or 4 points.
Horan still operating in spin mode?
"Dublin deserved their win. They had a full crew to pick from, they were running strong and they ran away from us in the end a little bit, but it was a good game for us.
"We were down some of our main players and we gave chances to four or five new guys
QuoteHoran still operating in spin mode?
"Dublin deserved their win. They had a full crew to pick from, they were running strong and they ran away from us in the end a little bit, but it was a good game for us.
"We were down some of our main players and we gave chances to four or five new guys
Where is the spin. None of the this is incorrect.
Quote from: heffo on April 15, 2013, 10:00:04 AM
Horan still operating in spin mode?
"Dublin deserved their win. They had a full crew to pick from, they were running strong and they ran away from us in the end a little bit, but it was a good game for us.
"We were down some of our main players and we gave chances to four or five new guys
Yeah. Bit of spin ok. Conveniently forgetting that ye were missing a few too. But I think we missed ours more. Unfortunately our new guys did not make the same impressions as your new guys. I d have loved if we had a Mannion or McCaffrey burst into the side during the league but it didn t happen. That is why the Higgins, Morans and Dillons are huge absentees for us.
Quote from: highorlow on April 15, 2013, 10:30:36 AM
QuoteHoran still operating in spin mode?
"Dublin deserved their win. They had a full crew to pick from, they were running strong and they ran away from us in the end a little bit, but it was a good game for us.
"We were down some of our main players and we gave chances to four or five new guys
Where is the spin. None of the this is incorrect.
Dublin were far from full strength - read back a couple of pages for a full list of absentees
no one quiet like mayo fans to head into a tail spin once we lose a game and picking ridiculous team converting backs in to forward sand goalies into midfielders and prefering playeys with 2 minutes experience to those who have walked the long road.
there were loads of positives from yesterday .
aidan o se showed hes right up therewith the best
seamus is a trojan worker
cillian o'connor is improving all the time.
Mayo carved dublin defence open more often than dublin did mayo ,(though our failure to score goal is very worrying)
Clarke dispite the goals conded is top class.
Cathal carolan is a real contender for a place
i would have a lot of worries too
like vaugans hadle farmore ball than his distributions skill are worth.
we only seem to have one mothod of attack along ball into conroy, what happens when he's not there.
Jason doherty has gome backwards wuickly . wonder if he was still carrying a knock?
our bench looked bery weak. Bringing on 3 such inexperiences Guys as Murphy Gallagher and Walsh and such a crucial junture seems kinda desperate. I think horan could end up paying for removing a lot of our 2nd line talent from the squad far too early lads such as Alan feeny, ronaldson, Mortimer, Parsons and kilcoyne could have made a real difference. The early rounds of the league was the time to experiment not at the end of hight profile match in Croke park.
The team posted early had only 5 player in the same position as yesterdays team talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water .
not a huge horan fan but im glad he at least has a cooler head than that
Clarke, Walsh, Cafferkey, McHale, Keegan, Higgins, Burke, O Sé, Moran, Boyle, McLoughlin, Dillon, O Connor, Andy, Conroy.
;D ;D ;D
Gas man altogether.
First 13 minutes Dublin were poor & lacked direction. Once the first goal went in they settled down & won comfortably. Could have upped the tempo it the 2nd half if they really wanted too & put Mayo to the sword.
Rory O'Carroll badly missed at FB. Bernard didn't look 100% fit but still scored 4 points from play. Really disappointed in Mayo. Their FB line was awful. Only forwards to offer anything were the no.15 & no. 13 from frees.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 14, 2013, 05:24:48 PM
Mayo haven't learned their lessons from last year about persistant and cynical fouling- a stronger/better ref would have destroyed them.
Very fit and work hard though. Doubt if they are in the top 5 in the country though.
Dublin v wasteful only playing at 75% imo and resorted to cynical fouling in the last 10 mins when they didn't need to.
Dub links biggest prob is having too many good players and picking the best team/ bedding in the new lads. Still trying to find BB too much.
Dub v tyr - look forward to that!
Nah, can't agree with you there.
Mayo certainly aren't in the top 5 when it comes to cynical fouling. They got a lesson in that dark art yesterday.
The stats tell their own tale.
Watched the game on TG4 and coming into the last quarter, the foul count was flashed up on the screen. Dublin were leading Mayo by 16 to 7!
The commentator and the analyst (Coman Goggins?) discussed this and agreed that Dublin were making far better use of the tactical foul than Mayo. The analyst went on to say that the Dubs were careful not to foul with scoring range but were using this tactic further outfield to slow down play and to let backs get back into position before frees were taken and so on and so forth.
I had to agree with that. Mayo are more inclined to drag and pull than they used to in the past but much of this is done in full view of the referee and they pay dearly for it at times. There's nothing tactical in late tackling or jersey pulling right in front of goal.
Having said that. I don't rate Dublin as a dirty side; like most of the top sides, they use whatever means they can to gain advantage for themselves.
In the AI last year, Mayo picked up a few yellow cards early on and were lucky that no one was shown a red but there was nothing cynical or tactical in what they were doing. It was panic stations at the time.
On the other hand, Donegal gave away frees well out of scoring range and you had the spectacle of the ref giving Mayo the ten extra yards time after time because Donegal players didn't back off quickly enough for his liking.
Big bloody deal!
Mayo were prevented form taking a quick free and lost whatever advantage that might have accrued.
I don't rate Donegal as a dirty side either; they just do whatever they can get away with.
Mayo still have a lot to learn in this regard.
Quotei would have a lot of worries too
like vaugans hadle farmore ball than his distributions skill are worth.
we only seem to have one mothod of attack along ball into conroy, what happens when he's not there.
Jason doherty has gome backwards wuickly . wonder if he was still carrying a knock?
I thank I agree with most of that.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 14, 2013, 05:35:29 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 14, 2013, 05:24:48 PM
Mayo haven't learned their lessons from last year about persistant and cynical fouling- a stronger/better ref would have destroyed them.
Very fit and work hard though. Doubt if they are in the top 5 in the country though.
Dublin v wasteful only playing at 75% imo and resorted to cynical fouling in the last 10 mins when they didn't need to.
Dub links biggest prob is having too many good players and picking the best team/ bedding in the new lads. Still trying to find BB too much.
Dub v tyr - look forward to that!
Would not read much into today. Dublin have been gearing up for this for weeks. Mayo have been gearing up for a week. As for Mayo being top 5? There is much of a muchness. There are so many ordinary teams out there, it's not beyond them to be top 5. Now top 3 that's a different story? As for the cynical fouling. Well we've been nice for years. Dubln, Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal and Cork are all cynical. So we are all in the same win at all costs boat. It's up to the Ref to be strong. We're not there to please the referee.
FTB & Muppet my point is, with the spotlight having been thrust upon mayo last year for cynical fouling, referees will now be looking out for it and punishing them . it didnt happen yesterday as the ref I thought was lenient on mayo for this, but other refs wont. also the media will start pointing it out again and mayo will be severely hampered.
you get a bad name and it sticks etc
there is a difference in changing from being nice to being just cynical. you can still be as soft as sihte and cynically foul and throw away games for conceding loads of frees and having men sent off for persistent fouling.
I dont ref, but am qualified and would have sent off a few of the mayo backs yesterday. Are they thick?
Horan needs to address this if he is going to use the good talent that mayo have.
as for Dublin, my fear for them is that they are still experimenting too much this late in the league.
thats nowhere near the championshi team.
whoever asked about the dublin full back -johnny cooper is a wing half back his whole life and not a full back. they are checking up on a third choice fb. OCarroll the best in the country and second choice philly mcmahon no slouch either.
so many great young players. if Dublin get their act together they could dominate for years. Cork had almost as much talent but cant get it together. so theres hope for the rest of the country yet!
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 15, 2013, 12:44:08 AM
When is Andy Moran due back?
August and that's optimistic.
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 12:59:52 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 15, 2013, 12:44:08 AM
When is Andy Moran due back?
August and that's optimistic.
Agreed, after that injury, we cannot expect him to carry the forward line like he did in some games last year specifically the connaught final.
I have some other thoughts on yesterday, hopefully I will get time to post. Lot of good (realistic) posts on yesterday
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 12:59:52 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 15, 2013, 12:44:08 AM
When is Andy Moran due back?
August and that's optimistic.
really...thats terrible.
a fantastic player and any team would miss him.
hope he fuly recoveres and asap.
Hi lads,
Analysis of Dublin's win over Mayo now up http://action81.com/blog/?p=7109
Emmet
Another enjoyable game, main thing I took away is that Mayo's strength in depth is nowhere near Dublin's. When Dublin got them two goals there seemed to be an acceptance from Mayo that the game was gone and some played themselves out of the team. The ones who showed fight (Aidan O'Se, Cafferty, etc) are the ones who'll be first onto the team sheet next month so critical they get their injured players back. Like Donegal, they will struggle if their key players are injured.
Dublin and their strength in depth impresses me every time I see them. Midfield is a concern but everywhere else they are overflowing with options. They need to settle on their championship 15 for the final though I feel. Probably harsh on the Ballymun and other lads like Fitzsimons who haven't got run outs but it'd only be James McCarthy out of that lot who would strengthen the team.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on April 15, 2013, 03:04:09 PM
Another enjoyable game, main thing I took away is that Mayo's strength in depth is nowhere near Dublin's. When Dublin got them two goals there seemed to be an acceptance from Mayo that the game was gone and some played themselves out of the team. The ones who showed fight (Aidan O'Se, Cafferty, etc) are the ones who'll be first onto the team sheet next month so critical they get their injured players back. Like Donegal, they will struggle if their key players are injured.
Dublin and their strength in depth impresses me every time I see them. Midfield is a concern but everywhere else they are overflowing with options. They need to settle on their championship 15 for the final though I feel. Probably harsh on the Ballymun and other lads like Fitzsimons who haven't got run outs but it'd only be James McCarthy out of that lot who would strengthen the team.
They carried the fight last September too, along with Barry Moran and belatedly Richie Feeney.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 15, 2013, 11:52:11 AM
Mayo certainly aren't in the top 5 when it comes to cynical fouling. They got a lesson in that dark art yesterday.
The stats tell their own tale.
Watched the game on TG4 and coming into the last quarter, the foul count was flashed up on the screen. Dublin were leading Mayo by 16 to 7!
You'd have to put a lot of the free count down to McQuillen. Brogan and Connolly in particular suffered a lot of fouls that werent blown. It seemed to be a requirement of McQuillen that the man in possession has to go to ground for the whistle to blow, and Mayo did a lot more of that.
Not sure going down easily is always a good ploy though as it slows everything down.
Quote from: muppet on April 15, 2013, 04:08:48 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on April 15, 2013, 03:04:09 PM
Another enjoyable game, main thing I took away is that Mayo's strength in depth is nowhere near Dublin's. When Dublin got them two goals there seemed to be an acceptance from Mayo that the game was gone and some played themselves out of the team. The ones who showed fight (Aidan O'Se, Cafferty, etc) are the ones who'll be first onto the team sheet next month so critical they get their injured players back. Like Donegal, they will struggle if their key players are injured.
Dublin and their strength in depth impresses me every time I see them. Midfield is a concern but everywhere else they are overflowing with options. They need to settle on their championship 15 for the final though I feel. Probably harsh on the Ballymun and other lads like Fitzsimons who haven't got run outs but it'd only be James McCarthy out of that lot who would strengthen the team.
They carried the fight last September too, along with Barry Moran and belatedly Richie Feeney.
That they did, the start by Donegal and the match ups were the difference.
Incidentally, have to play Aidan O'Se at midfield with Barry Moran, maybe Seamus as a third midfielder. Forwards, if everyone was fit are as good as anyone elses, backs a worry though, especially the corners (although Higgns will sort one of these). Half back line brilliant going forward but suspect defensively. Keeper excellent. Expect them to retain Connacht and be there or thereabouts in August/September.
I was thinking ovr the last while that aidan ose while a big strong lad, can win ball, can score and can break tackles - might make a good chf - as his vision and passing is not good enough for mf imo.
he doesnt seem to be at home in the chf position either, so I'd try him not his brother at third mf. he needs to try and be more of a team player.
he has all the skills needed apart from that.
Well done to the Dubs. Jim Gavin has them playing a nice brand of attacking football and if it's to be another year of inevitable disappointment for my own county I wouldn't mind seeing them land Sam as I find them a joy to watch at the moment.
I think everything to be said about the game has been covered already but I have noticed that this Mayo team has the ability to annoy the rest of the country as much as our own fans with their shameless cynical play ;D.
Oh for the days when everyone through out the country would tell me that while Mayo hadn't a hope of ever winning SAM at least we played the game clean and fair 8).
OK, after a lot of thought and reflection on the whole league scenario I may have been wrong on the positives aspect thingy.
However, to say that Mayo didn't want to be in the league semi-final is to my mind a load of nonsense. I'm sure the players looked at the table before the Cork game and said to themselves that nothing was certain without a win, even survival. And that a win against the Corkmen would take Donegal (who weren't anything special in Castlebar a few weeks back) to beat the highly fancied Dubs. We got there because we beat Cork and Donegal didn't beat Dublin.
Anyway, to the game itself. Why oh why does Horan leave it so late to make a substitution? It was quite plain to see that Kevin Keane was getting roasted at corner back after Dublin's 2 goals. Yet he was left there until deep into the second half. This is one area, says you we'll be grand in once Higgins comes back. It will, but another feature of the management was leaving other key players in wrong positions. AOS at 11 was anonymous in the first half in my opinion, yet when he moved to midfield he had a good game, but it was too late. Gibbons, can't cut it at intercounty level. I've said that to lots of people and most agree. McLoughlin hasn't been consistent yet at all this year for Mayo and form doesn't turn on like a switch. Vaughan can't defend yet was left on for how long? I just can't fathom how poor SOS was in midfield yesterday also.
Yet again our inside forward line are too weak. COC is only after returning from injury, so I'll give him benefit of the doubt - he was good from frees though. Did Doherty offer anything? Michael Conroy huffed and puffed, but he couldn't beat his man at all yesterday, though despite that he was the best of the 6 up front in my opinion. Richie Feeney struggled too when he came on. Murphy and Gallagher did themselves no favours either.
The positives. Well Caff did his job as well he could. Barrett didn't shirk his duties either. Aiden O'Shea moving to midfield worked, but he should have started. Funny thing was, only the two goals separated them at the end. We have our 4 injured players to come back. If it's August when Andy Moran comes back as ballinaman said, then we will HAVE TO TAKE OUR GOAL CHANCES, if he is to have any part to play this year.
Far more negatives though for to be heading to Salthill in 5 weeks time. We just don't have the back up available when players get injured it seems.
Anyone got any good captions for this pic?
(http://static.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/article29196163.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/SPT_20130415_UNC_048_27231913_I1)
as long as you guard against complacency and you dont have one of them days Farandeelin, I reckon you will wipe the floor with galway.
your FF line should be COC and Andy moran when he gets back fit.
I agree that your other two ff were pants - imo too small.
Barry moran at mf and I dont knw who you would play at chb. maybe vaughan would do more at chf ? needs to cut out the messing (fighting).
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 15, 2013, 05:15:17 PM
Anyone got any good captions for this pic?
(http://static.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/article29196163.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/SPT_20130415_UNC_048_27231913_I1)
lol
no caption, but both of them are going for the paul galvin trademark fishook move with nipple twister submission move.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 15, 2013, 05:15:17 PM
Anyone got any good captions for this pic?
(http://static.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/article29196163.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/SPT_20130415_UNC_048_27231913_I1)
Lips, tits, Power!
What was the logic behind switching out your FF for a HB/HF at half-time and down a pile? Surely Alan Freeman was the only switch that made any sense if you were taking Doherty off.
Quote from: Syferus on April 15, 2013, 06:33:51 PM
What was the logic behind switching out your FF for a HB/HF at half-time and down a pile? Surely Alan Freeman was the only switch that made any sense if you were taking Doherty off.
Freeman was replaced in the subs before throw-in. Apart from the fact that Freeman has been in disappointing form since 2010 and would have in all likelyhood contributed very little it made sense from a tactical point to bring in a utility player and should have started with one. Playing 3 ffs has left us outnumbered around the middle and our backs isolated.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 15, 2013, 04:39:27 PM
OK, after a lot of thought and reflection on the whole league scenario I may have been wrong on the positives aspect thingy.
However, to say that Mayo didn't want to be in the league semi-final is to my mind a load of nonsense. I'm sure the players looked at the table before the Cork game and said to themselves that nothing was certain without a win, even survival. And that a win against the Corkmen would take Donegal (who weren't anything special in Castlebar a few weeks back) to beat the highly fancied Dubs. We got there because we beat Cork and Donegal didn't beat Dublin.
Anyway, to the game itself. Why oh why does Horan leave it so late to make a substitution? It was quite plain to see that Kevin Keane was getting roasted at corner back after Dublin's 2 goals. Yet he was left there until deep into the second half. This is one area, says you we'll be grand in once Higgins comes back. It will, but another feature of the management was leaving other key players in wrong positions. AOS at 11 was anonymous in the first half in my opinion, yet when he moved to midfield he had a good game, but it was too late. Gibbons, can't cut it at intercounty level. I've said that to lots of people and most agree. McLoughlin hasn't been consistent yet at all this year for Mayo and form doesn't turn on like a switch. Vaughan can't defend yet was left on for how long? I just can't fathom how poor SOS was in midfield yesterday also.
Yet again our inside forward line are too weak. COC is only after returning from injury, so I'll give him benefit of the doubt - he was good from frees though. Did Doherty offer anything? Michael Conroy huffed and puffed, but he couldn't beat his man at all yesterday, though despite that he was the best of the 6 up front in my opinion. Richie Feeney struggled too when he came on. Murphy and Gallagher did themselves no favours either.
The positives. Well Caff did his job as well he could. Barrett didn't shirk his duties either. Aiden O'Shea moving to midfield worked, but he should have started. Funny thing was, only the two goals separated them at the end. We have our 4 injured players to come back. If it's August when Andy Moran comes back as ballinaman said, then we will HAVE TO TAKE OUR GOAL CHANCES, if he is to have any part to play this year.
Far more negatives though for to be heading to Salthill in 5 weeks time. We just don't have the back up available when players get injured it seems.
I think I said the bit in bold Deelin and I should have phrased it 'didn t need to be ....' Mind you at times yesterday after those goals flew in it looked like we didn t want to be there either. For 10 minutes we hardly got our hands on the ball and that is a sign of poor morale. In fairness we did turn it around a biteen in second half.
I d be inclined to agree with your points. I don t like being very critical of lads doin their best but again we don t seem to have as good a panel as we may have thought a few months ago.
Not sure yesterday s game has any bearing on Salthill. Better yesterday than going to championship on the back of relegation. Yesterday was nowhere near as bad as the trimming we got last spring in Ballyshannon and we responded well to that. If things were shown up yesterday then there is time to work on them. In theory anyway, playing likes of Donegal, Cork and Dublin should stand to us because Galway did not have these kind of tests. Yesterday s display will mean we ll be going into Salthill with our feet firmly planted on the ground. If we went in cocky ye know what would happen. We ll be favourites for sure but I wouldnt mind that. I expect our attitude to be right.
If we learned anything from yesterday its that the 3 man FF line simply does not work for us. We just dont look dangerous when we are attacking and the ball into the corner to Conroy is our only option all the time.On yesterdays evidence the Two Jasons Vaughan and Keane will be very lucky to be on the team sheet for Galway.Doherty contributes very little and if i was James Horan i would invite Aiden Kilcoyne to a training session and see how he does.I was glad to see young Walsh from Ardnaree get some game time he is a serious footballer and hopefully if he gets a chance in Salthill he will take it.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 15, 2013, 04:39:27 PM
OK, after a lot of thought and reflection on the whole league scenario I may have been wrong on the positives aspect thingy.
However, to say that Mayo didn't want to be in the league semi-final is to my mind a load of nonsense. I'm sure the players looked at the table before the Cork game and said to themselves that nothing was certain without a win, even survival. And that a win against the Corkmen would take Donegal (who weren't anything special in Castlebar a few weeks back) to beat the highly fancied Dubs. We got there because we beat Cork and Donegal didn't beat Dublin.
Anyway, to the game itself. Why oh why does Horan leave it so late to make a substitution? It was quite plain to see that Kevin Keane was getting roasted at corner back after Dublin's 2 goals. Yet he was left there until deep into the second half. This is one area, says you we'll be grand in once Higgins comes back. It will, but another feature of the management was leaving other key players in wrong positions. AOS at 11 was anonymous in the first half in my opinion, yet when he moved to midfield he had a good game, but it was too late. Gibbons, can't cut it at intercounty level. I've said that to lots of people and most agree. McLoughlin hasn't been consistent yet at all this year for Mayo and form doesn't turn on like a switch. Vaughan can't defend yet was left on for how long? I just can't fathom how poor SOS was in midfield yesterday also.
Yet again our inside forward line are too weak. COC is only after returning from injury, so I'll give him benefit of the doubt - he was good from frees though. Did Doherty offer anything? Michael Conroy huffed and puffed, but he couldn't beat his man at all yesterday, though despite that he was the best of the 6 up front in my opinion. Richie Feeney struggled too when he came on. Murphy and Gallagher did themselves no favours either.
The positives. Well Caff did his job as well he could. Barrett didn't shirk his duties either. Aiden O'Shea moving to midfield worked, but he should have started. Funny thing was, only the two goals separated them at the end. We have our 4 injured players to come back. If it's August when Andy Moran comes back as ballinaman said, then we will HAVE TO TAKE OUR GOAL CHANCES, if he is to have any part to play this year.
Far more negatives though for to be heading to Salthill in 5 weeks time. We just don't have the back up available when players get injured it seems.
Harsh on Conroy. He kicked three good points from play with men slung out of him all afternoon. Conroy's is one of the first names down on the teamsheet. Come on now.
the players being the focus of attention get most of the blame or plaudits here but there is one other factor at play that seems to passing by unnoticed.
The one noticable difference I see from last year is on the sideline. Last year Cian O'Neill had the players on their toes all the time, motivating them and exerting his influence on and off the pitch. It's the mindset and 'fire in the belly' bit and by comparison this year seems to be missing that so far. The team that played in Croke Park on Sunday was missing a few players but it wasn't a weak team. there just seems to be that little bit of lack of confidence across the team (off load a scoring chance, take a point instead of going for goal, sloppy hand and foot passes and so on). I worry getting all the missing players back won't work unless the mental bit - sharpness and mindset - is upped a few notches - and that's the bit the mentors need to take action on or take the blame...... just sayin .....
Mayo are not far away but looking at the Dublins and Donegals who have won Sam in last few years the one thing that made them different was the determination to win, work rate and confidence. We had it last year but seems to have slipped back this year so far .... let's hope it's only temporary !
Quote from: furboot on April 17, 2013, 09:06:28 AM
the players being the focus of attention get most of the blame or plaudits here but there is one other factor at play that seems to passing by unnoticed.
The one noticable difference I see from last year is on the sideline. Last year Cian O'Neill had the players on their toes all the time, motivating them and exerting his influence on and off the pitch. It's the mindset and 'fire in the belly' bit and by comparison this year seems to be missing that so far. The team that played in Croke Park on Sunday was missing a few players but it wasn't a weak team. there just seems to be that little bit of lack of confidence across the team (off load a scoring chance, take a point instead of going for goal, sloppy hand and foot passes and so on). I worry getting all the missing players back won't work unless the mental bit - sharpness and mindset - is upped a few notches - and that's the bit the mentors need to take action on or take the blame...... just sayin .....
Mayo are not far away but looking at the Dublins and Donegals who have won Sam in last few years the one thing that made them different was the determination to win, work rate and confidence. We had it last year but seems to have slipped back this year so far .... let's hope it's only temporary !
I wouldn't really go along with that. We got the shite kicked out of us up in Donegal in the league last year, and Cian O'Neill was there that day. He was also there when Cork beat us fairly comfortably in the league final last year, and he has been in Kerry all spring where they have taken some right tankings before coming good at the end. There was no lack of determination against Donegal or Cork in the last few weeks.
Maybe his loss will have an impact, but maybe it won't - Donie Buckley was hugely popular in Kerry, and he's in our camp now. Too early in the year to say either way.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on April 16, 2013, 12:09:03 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 15, 2013, 04:39:27 PM
OK, after a lot of thought and reflection on the whole league scenario I may have been wrong on the positives aspect thingy.
However, to say that Mayo didn't want to be in the league semi-final is to my mind a load of nonsense. I'm sure the players looked at the table before the Cork game and said to themselves that nothing was certain without a win, even survival. And that a win against the Corkmen would take Donegal (who weren't anything special in Castlebar a few weeks back) to beat the highly fancied Dubs. We got there because we beat Cork and Donegal didn't beat Dublin.
Anyway, to the game itself. Why oh why does Horan leave it so late to make a substitution? It was quite plain to see that Kevin Keane was getting roasted at corner back after Dublin's 2 goals. Yet he was left there until deep into the second half. This is one area, says you we'll be grand in once Higgins comes back. It will, but another feature of the management was leaving other key players in wrong positions. AOS at 11 was anonymous in the first half in my opinion, yet when he moved to midfield he had a good game, but it was too late. Gibbons, can't cut it at intercounty level. I've said that to lots of people and most agree. McLoughlin hasn't been consistent yet at all this year for Mayo and form doesn't turn on like a switch. Vaughan can't defend yet was left on for how long? I just can't fathom how poor SOS was in midfield yesterday also.
Yet again our inside forward line are too weak. COC is only after returning from injury, so I'll give him benefit of the doubt - he was good from frees though. Did Doherty offer anything? Michael Conroy huffed and puffed, but he couldn't beat his man at all yesterday, though despite that he was the best of the 6 up front in my opinion. Richie Feeney struggled too when he came on. Murphy and Gallagher did themselves no favours either.
The positives. Well Caff did his job as well he could. Barrett didn't shirk his duties either. Aiden O'Shea moving to midfield worked, but he should have started. Funny thing was, only the two goals separated them at the end. We have our 4 injured players to come back. If it's August when Andy Moran comes back as ballinaman said, then we will HAVE TO TAKE OUR GOAL CHANCES, if he is to have any part to play this year.
Far more negatives though for to be heading to Salthill in 5 weeks time. We just don't have the back up available when players get injured it seems.
Harsh on Conroy. He kicked three good points from play with men slung out of him all afternoon. Conroy's is one of the first names down on the teamsheet. Come on now.
Come on now is right.
Conroy had the beating of anyone who came near him. But he was given a lot o hospital passes and time after time he had nobody to offload and found himself isolated way out in the corner.
I was disappointed with the performance of the Mayo attack as I felt everyone was prepared to run himself into the ground but there was a semblance of a game plan. At least, I didn't see any. They'd need to smarten up before the game in Salthill and that's for sure.
Mayo have a hugely simplictic game plan . long ball from halback midfield into conroy (and hopefully andy come Summer)
my fear is that when some one devises a plan to counteract it mayo could be in a bit a bother.
I trequire a lot of support for Conroy and intelligent running maybe not the strong point of a lot of the may forwards.
We could really do with C Mort coming back now . it would suit him down to the ground
and mentioning Mortimers the conroy role would be ideally suited for Trevor
Quote from: rosnarun on April 17, 2013, 12:21:35 PM
Mayo have a hugely simplictic game plan . long ball from halback midfield into conroy (and hopefully andy come Summer)
my fear is that when some one devises a plan to counteract it mayo could be in a bit a bother.
I trequire a lot of support for Conroy and intelligent running maybe not the strong point of a lot of the may forwards.
We could really do with C Mort coming back now . it would suit him down to the ground
and mentioning Mortimers the conroy role would be ideally suited for Trevor
Yeah, I'm afraid that you're right. Hoofing the ball in on Conroy and hoping for the best was about all I could see. We'll need to do better in the games to come.
I think it's foolish to think that the return of Andy will overcome all of our shortcomings. There is absolutely no guarantee that he will be back in time to take part in the Championships and even if he does, he can't be expected to take up where he left off.
The pity of it is that I think we do have pretty good forwards but they don't combine very well. Still, Horan and Buckley have a few weeks left to try and bate some sort of strategy into 'em.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 17, 2013, 02:09:07 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 17, 2013, 12:21:35 PM
Mayo have a hugely simplictic game plan . long ball from halback midfield into conroy (and hopefully andy come Summer)
my fear is that when some one devises a plan to counteract it mayo could be in a bit a bother.
I trequire a lot of support for Conroy and intelligent running maybe not the strong point of a lot of the may forwards.
We could really do with C Mort coming back now . it would suit him down to the ground
and mentioning Mortimers the conroy role would be ideally suited for Trevor
Yeah, I'm afraid that you're right. Hoofing the ball in on Conroy and hoping for the best was about all I could see. We'll need to do better in the games to come.
I think it's foolish to think that the return of Andy will overcome all of our shortcomings. There is absolutely no guarantee that he will be back in time to take part in the Championships and even if he does, he can't be expected to take up where he left off.
The pity of it is that I think we do have pretty good forwards but they don't combine very well. Still, Horan and Buckley have a few weeks left to try and bate some sort of strategy into 'em.
Conroy kicked 3 points and won 3 other pointed frees. Not exactly huffing and puffing stuff. I see you looking to C Mortimer, but jez that would be Horan begging and that would not good for his authority and standing. Trev Mortimer would have something to offer, if we had the old Trev. You have to remember he is 18 months out of it now and is 32/33? What's the story with Killer? Is he still in England? Thought i seen him around Castlebar? Probably to late this year to bring him in? But then again Conroy came in at his Juncture last year.
We have gone down a rung or two on the ladder in peoples standings as a serious outfit This lower profile will do us no harm coming up to the Galway game and hopefully the games there after. In the recent past Mayo have pulled big results to get to AI finals leading to high expectation the next year which have ended up flops. Will be interesting to see if we can get near the top this year again.
Finally this is probably this groups last (good) year. The AI under 21 group of 2006 which the core of these lads are from are 27/28 this year. Not old i hear you say? But the years are stacking up. Actually if we finish a good bit off the mark, i think Horan will walk.
Lower profile? Semi-finalists in of the last four national competitions and finalists in two of those - you're so red-hot with the bookies and the 'casuals' for Connacht that the devil wouldn't touch you with a 10-foot poker.
I think the profile has rarely been higher for Mayo and probably even more so than in 1997 or 2006. The pressure will only be in any way off if you make the AIQFs and by then the bandwagon would be gathering break-neck speed.
I know there's a habit for supporters of all counties to play this silly old game of poor mouthing themselves but c'mon now - embrace your role as the evil task masters of Connacht and be done with it.
Granted I was wrong on my initial analysis of the game regards Conroy. Everybody happy now?
Come on Farrandeelin, we need a bit more fight than that.
you at least have the right to give out about how often Conroy hits the ground when going for a ball and his often wild shots at goal when there is nothing on.
Lar
'Hoofing the ball in on Conroy and hoping for the best' are the words i would use . its a good tactic and mayo play it very well . it wins loads of frees and scores from play . Im Just saying a few variations would be welcom and make the long ball in even more effective
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 17, 2013, 03:13:18 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 17, 2013, 02:09:07 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 17, 2013, 12:21:35 PM
Mayo have a hugely simplictic game plan . long ball from halback midfield into conroy (and hopefully andy come Summer)
my fear is that when some one devises a plan to counteract it mayo could be in a bit a bother.
I trequire a lot of support for Conroy and intelligent running maybe not the strong point of a lot of the may forwards.
We could really do with C Mort coming back now . it would suit him down to the ground
and mentioning Mortimers the conroy role would be ideally suited for Trevor
Yeah, I'm afraid that you're right. Hoofing the ball in on Conroy and hoping for the best was about all I could see. We'll need to do better in the games to come.
I think it's foolish to think that the return of Andy will overcome all of our shortcomings. There is absolutely no guarantee that he will be back in time to take part in the Championships and even if he does, he can't be expected to take up where he left off.
The pity of it is that I think we do have pretty good forwards but they don't combine very well. Still, Horan and Buckley have a few weeks left to try and bate some sort of strategy into 'em.
Conroy kicked 3 points and won 3 other pointed frees. Not exactly huffing and puffing stuff. I see you looking to C Mortimer, but jez that would be Horan begging and that would not good for his authority and standing. Trev Mortimer would have something to offer, if we had the old Trev. You have to remember he is 18 months out of it now and is 32/33? What's the story with Killer? Is he still in England? Thought i seen him around Castlebar? Probably to late this year to bring him in? But then again Conroy came in at his Juncture last year.
We have gone down a rung or two on the ladder in peoples standings as a serious outfit This lower profile will do us no harm coming up to the Galway game and hopefully the games there after. In the recent past Mayo have pulled big results to get to AI finals leading to high expectation the next year which have ended up flops. Will be interesting to see if we can get near the top this year again.
Finally this is probably this groups last (good) year. The AI under 21 group of 2006 which the core of these lads are from are 27/28 this year. Not old i hear you say? But the years are stacking up. Actually if we finish a good bit off the mark, i think Horan will walk.
Huh?
Are you sure you got the right Lar Naparka? ;D
I never mentioned anything about Conroy huffing and puffing but I can understand what rosnarun was saying. He certainly put the effort in but much of it was in vain as he got little backup from the others around him.
I never mentioned Conoreen or his big brother either.
I think Conroy was the best forward we had on Sunday but he was left isolated time after time when he got the ball with nobody showing for a pass and he found himself stuck way out in the corner time and again.
Like Iolar says, he kicked three good points from play with men slung out of him all afternoon and I'd also agree with him that Conroy will be one of the first names down on the teamsheet.
Of course he will. Conroy has more than justified his recall. Played in AI final in 04 as a kid and then shafted - not the only one. Imagine if he had been nurtured by a Mickey Harte since he was a minor.
The thing about the approach of this team is that it doesn t add up.
In Horans first year we went looking for goals. We got a load. Jason Doherty got a hatfull in the league. We even spurned point chances and went for goals that weren t on. Kevin McLoughlin scored a classic Mayo type goal v Cork. Running supporting move rather that hittin a crowded ff line that is heavily marked.
I saw Mayo play Donegal 3 times last year and the game we did best against them was where we played a running game and did not kick the ball away. Ok It was a challenge but this Donegal team does not waste its time and there was an edge to it. Just wondering why we have gone away from a game that suits us? I kinda think I know the answer. The talking heads in the media suggest that the only way to beat the blanket is to kick the ball in early. That of course is bullshit unless you can kick a ball 80- 100 yards. But even then theres probably somebody back covering. Kicking the ball in early suits blanket defences because there is always cover. Mayo on the other hand dont do cover and the counter attack and early ball kills us e.g AI final. But sure most Mayo people wouldn t have it any other way.
Mayo are one of a few counties that have the personnel to carry ball and support runners at pace from back to front. But we seem to favour the early ball into the corner - even though we still play a running game at times. All our hb line are runners rather than kick passers of the ball and prefer to run the ball. Big Barry and Aidan - if he wants to - can kick. But we re limited with kick passers from deep.
But who cares about that stuff. Supporters ye talk to mostly focus on who s playing shite.
Quote from: moysider on April 17, 2013, 11:41:47 PM
Of course he will. Conroy has more than justified his recall. Played in AI final in 04 as a kid and then shafted - not the only one. Imagine if he had been nurtured by a Mickey Harte since he was a minor.
The thing about the approach of this team is that it doesn t add up.
In Horans first year we went looking for goals. We got a load. Jason Doherty got a hatfull in the league. We even spurned point chances and went for goals that weren t on. Kevin McLoughlin scored a classic Mayo type goal v Cork. Running supporting move rather that hittin a crowded ff line that is heavily marked.
I saw Mayo play Donegal 3 times last year and the game we did best against them was where we played a running game and did not kick the ball away. Ok It was a challenge but this Donegal team does not waste its time and there was an edge to it. Just wondering why we have gone away from a game that suits us? I kinda think I know the answer. The talking heads in the media suggest that the only way to beat the blanket is to kick the ball in early. That of course is bullshit unless you can kick a ball 80- 100 yards. But even then theres probably somebody back covering. Kicking the ball in early suits blanket defences because there is always cover. Mayo on the other hand dont do cover and the counter attack and early ball kills us e.g AI final. But sure most Mayo people wouldn t have it any other way.
Mayo are one of a few counties that have the personnel to carry ball and support runners at pace from back to front. But we seem to favour the early ball into the corner - even though we still play a running game at times. All our hb line are runners rather than kick passers of the ball and prefer to run the ball. Big Barry and Aidan - if he wants to - can kick. But we re limited with kick passers from deep.
But who cares about that stuff. Supporters ye talk to mostly focus on who s playing shite.
That is true!
Meant to post here how impressed I was with the Dubs. None of the showboating to the Hill crap. They play a really nice brand of football and have lots of serious players all over the field. They will be very tough to beat. (P.S. Heffo I am serious).
Quote from: muppet on April 18, 2013, 12:10:00 AM
Quote from: moysider on April 17, 2013, 11:41:47 PM
Of course he will. Conroy has more than justified his recall. Played in AI final in 04 as a kid and then shafted - not the only one. Imagine if he had been nurtured by a Mickey Harte since he was a minor.
The thing about the approach of this team is that it doesn t add up.
In Horans first year we went looking for goals. We got a load. Jason Doherty got a hatfull in the league. We even spurned point chances and went for goals that weren t on. Kevin McLoughlin scored a classic Mayo type goal v Cork. Running supporting move rather that hittin a crowded ff line that is heavily marked.
I saw Mayo play Donegal 3 times last year and the game we did best against them was where we played a running game and did not kick the ball away. Ok It was a challenge but this Donegal team does not waste its time and there was an edge to it. Just wondering why we have gone away from a game that suits us? I kinda think I know the answer. The talking heads in the media suggest that the only way to beat the blanket is to kick the ball in early. That of course is bullshit unless you can kick a ball 80- 100 yards. But even then theres probably somebody back covering. Kicking the ball in early suits blanket defences because there is always cover. Mayo on the other hand dont do cover and the counter attack and early ball kills us e.g AI final. But sure most Mayo people wouldn t have it any other way.
Mayo are one of a few counties that have the personnel to carry ball and support runners at pace from back to front. But we seem to favour the early ball into the corner - even though we still play a running game at times. All our hb line are runners rather than kick passers of the ball and prefer to run the ball. Big Barry and Aidan - if he wants to - can kick. But we re limited with kick passers from deep.
But who cares about that stuff. Supporters ye talk to mostly focus on who s playing shite.
That is true!
Meant to post here how impressed I was with the Dubs. None of the showboating to the Hill crap. They play a really nice brand of football and have lots of serious players all over the field. They will be very tough to beat. (P.S. Heffo I am serious).
Dublin are looking very impressive but you want to be impressive in August not in April when there are a million different factors as to why a young pllayer might be getting out ahead of a more experienced player.
If things stay as they are, Dublin look in the top bunch but there are lots of turns in the road between now and September.
Quote from: muppet on April 18, 2013, 12:10:00 AM
Quote from: moysider on April 17, 2013, 11:41:47 PM
Of course he will. Conroy has more than justified his recall. Played in AI final in 04 as a kid and then shafted - not the only one. Imagine if he had been nurtured by a Mickey Harte since he was a minor.
The thing about the approach of this team is that it doesn t add up.
In Horans first year we went looking for goals. We got a load. Jason Doherty got a hatfull in the league. We even spurned point chances and went for goals that weren t on. Kevin McLoughlin scored a classic Mayo type goal v Cork. Running supporting move rather that hittin a crowded ff line that is heavily marked.
I saw Mayo play Donegal 3 times last year and the game we did best against them was where we played a running game and did not kick the ball away. Ok It was a challenge but this Donegal team does not waste its time and there was an edge to it. Just wondering why we have gone away from a game that suits us? I kinda think I know the answer. The talking heads in the media suggest that the only way to beat the blanket is to kick the ball in early. That of course is bullshit unless you can kick a ball 80- 100 yards. But even then theres probably somebody back covering. Kicking the ball in early suits blanket defences because there is always cover. Mayo on the other hand dont do cover and the counter attack and early ball kills us e.g AI final. But sure most Mayo people wouldn t have it any other way.
Mayo are one of a few counties that have the personnel to carry ball and support runners at pace from back to front. But we seem to favour the early ball into the corner - even though we still play a running game at times. All our hb line are runners rather than kick passers of the ball and prefer to run the ball. Big Barry and Aidan - if he wants to - can kick. But we re limited with kick passers from deep.
But who cares about that stuff. Supporters ye talk to mostly focus on who s playing shite.
That is true!
Meant to post here how impressed I was with the Dubs. None of the showboating to the Hill crap. They play a really nice brand of football and have lots of serious players all over the field. They will be very tough to beat. (P.S. Heffo I am serious).
Agreed. Find it hard to dislike this Dublin team, some lovely footballers and none of that marching to the hill shite.
Quote from: moysider on April 17, 2013, 11:41:47 PM
I saw Mayo play Donegal 3 times last year and the game we did best against them was where we played a running game and did not kick the ball away. Ok It was a challenge but this Donegal team does not waste its time and there was an edge to it.
All very true Moysider and I think the last 2 championship games we've had with Donegal we too had to play that possession, running game. Its very hard work with high intensity with often a lot of turnovers so attacks are slow, laborious and can often lead to the play just moving back down into your own defensive wall zone outside the 40. Where we failed the last two years is to take our chances when we had them. Yes Donegal force you to shoot under pressure but we tend to dominate the first half but not put up enough scores to put them away so then they grind you out second half. I think that's why Mickey has upped the focus on fitness early on this year so with such an important match so early on then you need to be as fit as Donegal will be.
The other point ye make about the Dubs is indeed true and it is refreshing that Dublin have built such a young energetic squad that are all busting their gut to play this attacking high scoring game that is a joy to watch. I know Heffo, Indiana & Co are always fearful of people getting carried away so early on but the signs do look good. Of course its only April and a lot can happen between now and Sept but I'd rather have that talent, competition for places, positive energy & fight at any stage rather than being quiet and hoping it all improves over the months ahead.
I think Dublin can now afford to lose Brogan or Connolly as they've loads of other scoring options.
Not so sure the same can be said for Tyrone or Donegal.
jaysus Moysiser dont leave it like that .
please supply a list of allowable topics in case we stray again.
in all seriousness players can play well and badly in the same game. so lets just assume were all pleased by who is playing well.
take cafferkey last sunday did ok on brogan but still can't catch kick or solo the ball
Vaughan made some great runs but more often than not his distribution was poor and left gaping holes at CHB.
Keane started disastoriously again but settled quiet well after , but can he really afford to keep giving his man a Goal start?
Clarke made som excellent saves and could not be blamed for the second goal but was beaten at near post for the first(or vice versa) plus kick out were a major part of the 1st half collapse.
midfield were very good with the ball they got but must share the blame with clarke for desert of posession in the first half.
Even conroy mayo's best forward hit some horrendous wides.
Cillan is top class from Frees but needs to take more scores from play
Is that a bit more balanced?
Quote from: moysider on April 17, 2013, 11:41:47 PM
Of course he will. Conroy has more than justified his recall. Played in AI final in 04 as a kid and then shafted - not the only one. Imagine if he had been nurtured by a Mickey Harte since he was a minor.
The thing about the approach of this team is that it doesn t add up.
In Horans first year we went looking for goals. We got a load. Jason Doherty got a hatfull in the league. We even spurned point chances and went for goals that weren t on. Kevin McLoughlin scored a classic Mayo type goal v Cork. Running supporting move rather that hittin a crowded ff line that is heavily marked.
I saw Mayo play Donegal 3 times last year and the game we did best against them was where we played a running game and did not kick the ball away. Ok It was a challenge but this Donegal team does not waste its time and there was an edge to it. Just wondering why we have gone away from a game that suits us? I kinda think I know the answer. The talking heads in the media suggest that the only way to beat the blanket is to kick the ball in early. That of course is bullshit unless you can kick a ball 80- 100 yards. But even then theres probably somebody back covering. Kicking the ball in early suits blanket defences because there is always cover. Mayo on the other hand dont do cover and the counter attack and early ball kills us e.g AI final. But sure most Mayo people wouldn t have it any other way.
Mayo are one of a few counties that have the personnel to carry ball and support runners at pace from back to front. But we seem to favour the early ball into the corner - even though we still play a running game at times. All our hb line are runners rather than kick passers of the ball and prefer to run the ball. Big Barry and Aidan - if he wants to - can kick. But we re limited with kick passers from deep.
But who cares about that stuff. Supporters ye talk to mostly focus on who s playing shite.
Brilliant, brilliant post Moysider. Fantastic.
But here's the thing. The runners can only go so far before they get bogged down in traffic. Do you think Mayo players can still get close enough to the posts to goal, or should be shooting points from distance?
by the way Rosnarun, Vaughan did not play chb last sunday.Lee Keegan lined out in the no 6 position and was marking D.Connolly.
Quote from: maigheo on April 18, 2013, 11:46:40 PM
by the way Rosnarun, Vaughan did not play chb last sunday.Lee Keegan lined out in the no 6 position and was marking D.Connolly.
no one did for most of the match . it was a wide open space