Might as well get this under way. :)
Given current performances and form, we might expect a home win. Here's hoping! ;)
Whats more important here, the points or developing the panel? ...Id like to see Mickey ring a few changes for next Sunday. Six points will likely be enough to secure divisonal status the way results are going.
Colm Cavanagh - needs game time. Ditto Ronan O'Neill, Kyle Coney, Aidan Cassidy, Darren McCurry. With another tough match versus Dublin on the 16th March coming up, id love to see Mickey freshen things up and make a good few changes. We could really do with another scoring forward on the first 15 so it would be a good opportunity for some of these fellas to stake their claim.
You have a point there G14, but you know what Mickey's like: if trying out the newer lads could in any way compromise the possibility of a win, it just won't happen.
Quote from: God14 on March 04, 2013, 11:13:25 AM
Whats more important here, the points or developing the panel? ...Id like to see Mickey ring a few changes for next Sunday. Six points will likely be enough to secure divisonal status the way results are going.
Colm Cavanagh - needs game time. Ditto Ronan O'Neill, Kyle Coney, Aidan Cassidy, Darren McCurry. With another tough match versus Dublin on the 16th March coming up, id love to see Mickey freshen things up and make a good few changes. We could really do with another scoring forward on the first 15 so it would be a good opportunity for some of these fellas to stake their claim.
I agree. I think we need to try and get more than another one scoring forward though. SONs best days are behind him and I can't see him being a major force against the better teams in the summer anymore. We need to get Coney, McCurry/McAliskey, Lafferty and Ronan O'Neill game time to get them up to speed at this level.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 04, 2013, 12:14:08 PM
SONs best days are behind him and I can't see him being a major force against the better teams in the summer anymore. We need to get Coney, McCurry/McAliskey, Lafferty and Ronan O'Neill game time to get them up to speed at this level.
O'Neill is our captain and is top scorer in all three league games to date. I'd be happy enough to keep him on the field as much as possible!
No reason why a few of the named players can't be played and still win the game.
Knowing Mickey he is not looking to secure division 1 status... He will be looking to win division 1.
There is at least 4 more league games (6 more if we get to the final). A few changes would do no harm, but there is no need to change the team completely. Still plenty of game time to try more players out.
Starting the with the team that ended against Donegal would be 5 changes from the team that lined out at the start. That would be more than enough changes with different subs coming on.
Young McAliskey could be under pressure to hold onto his jersey this weekend. Has shown enough potential to be in the frame for a start in May, however, Mickey is bound to be tempted to give Coney or R O'Neill a run out in the first XV.
Looking more likely that Morgan has the number 1 jersey in the bag, really refreshing to have someone on the field who is consistent with the long range frees. An asset we've never really had since Peter retired. We are in the great position of having three top keepers at the present!
Not sure about Clarke in full back. Murphy was giving him a roasting yesterday until he was sent off, but to be fair not many could handle him.
Quote from: EC Unique on March 04, 2013, 05:15:14 PM
Not sure about Clarke in full back. Murphy was giving him a roasting yesterday until he was sent off, but to be fair not many could handle him.
I wouldn't be too harsh on Clarke. I actually thought he stuck to his task and got plenty of pressure on Murhphy who is hard to mark.
Wouldn't mind seeing a few changes this week but Harte will definitely be going all out for the points. They'll want to get to the semi finals and with 2 really tough away games coming up 2 points here could be important in getting there.
As I said on the Donegal thread I'm not sure who should play the centre half forward role. If Coney was fit I'd like to see him given a go (although I'm not convinced he is the answer). Colm Cavanagh may also get the nod in the half forward line. I definitely think Cassidy did enough to be rewarded with a place in the middle.
Would have no issue with either McCurry or Ronan O'Neill (looking forward to seeing both of them in the full forward line for u21s in a few weeks) getting a go ahead of McAliskey who in fairness has showed well. If Hare intends to play Gormley come the championsip he may also get back into the team. Fitness is very important for him and he needs game time.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 04, 2013, 09:03:55 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on March 04, 2013, 05:15:14 PM
Not sure about Clarke in full back. Murphy was giving him a roasting yesterday until he was sent off, but to be fair not many could handle him.
I wouldn't be too harsh on Clarke. I actually thought he stuck to his task and got plenty of pressure on Murhphy who is hard to mark.
Wouldn't mind seeing a few changes this week but Harte will definitely be going all out for the points. They'll want to get to the semi finals and with 2 really tough away games coming up 2 points here could be important in getting there.
As I said on the Donegal thread I'm not sure who should play the centre half forward role. If Coney was fit I'd like to see him given a go (although I'm not convinced he is the answer). Colm Cavanagh may also get the nod in the half forward line. I definitely think Cassidy did enough to be rewarded with a place in the middle.
Would have no issue with either McCurry or Ronan O'Neill (looking forward to seeing both of them in the full forward line for u21s in a few weeks) getting a go ahead of McAliskey who in fairness has showed well. If Hare intends to play Gormley come the championsip he may also get back into the team. Fitness is very important for him and he needs game time.
I wouldn't be that harsh on Clarke either. Donegal were playing a lot of high balls in on top of him and he was doing his job breaking them down, mainly to a Tyrone defender. There's not much any defender can do when a fella kicks the ball over the bar from the sideline.
Why did McAliskey get the curly finger so early on Sunday?
McAliskey was booked early on and getting involved so that may have been why he got hooked.
Quote from: under the bar on March 05, 2013, 12:18:58 AM
McAliskey was booked early on and getting involved so that may have been why he got hooked.
Aye, East is East. ;D
Has Mickey not been subbing him in most matches to give others a game. I didn't think he played that well on Sunday and had his man not dropped the ball he wouldn't have got the goal chance either. It was a tough game for for him as Donegal's FB line is very strong and so most of our scores tend to come from out the field.
I noticed that Shields played corner back for Cork on Sunday with Eoin O'Mahony at FB. Can't say I know him.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0303/371841-cork-v-down/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0303/371841-cork-v-down/)
Is Darren Mc Curry carrying an injury (no appearance with the U21s last night either)?
Have we all stopped trying to guess Mickeys team?
Here's my guess Fuzzman ;)
Tyrone Team v Cork NFL
Comórtas: Sraith Náisiúnta Peil
Cluiche: Tír Eoghain v Corcaigh
Ionad: Páirc Uí hÉilí, an Omaigh
Dáta: 10-03-13
1 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc
2 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
3 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
4 Cathal McCarron An Droim Mór
5 Ryan McKenna Eaglais
6 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
7 Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin
8 Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
9 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
10 Patrick McNiece Oileán a'Ghuail
11 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
12 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
13 Kyle Coney Árd Bó
14 Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
15 Ronan O'Neill An Omaigh
16 John Devine Aireagal Chiaráin
17 Aidan Cassidy Eochar
18 Conor Clarke An Omaigh
19 Mark Donnelly An Charraig Mhór
20 Plunkett Kane Oileán a'Ghuail
21 Connor McAliskey Cluain Eo
22 Ciaran McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
23 Justin McMahon An Omaigh
24 Danny McBride An Srath Ban
25 Michael Murphy An Gallbhaile
26 Martin Penrose An Charraig Mhór
A few surprises there, like Conor Gormley back in at full back, and Coney and Rónán O'Neill both starting!
That FF line has serious potential. If all three click on one day they would tear any FB line to bits..
Yeah sure is an interesting FF line and is that the first time we have the 2 Cavanaghs at MF?
I'm kinda surprised at how much game time Patrick McNeice is getting this year though I hear he's improved a good bit since last year.
Yeah, Mc Neice did well on Sunday last, not surprised there.
Looking forward to seeing that FF line. As EC said, if they click they could cause serious problems. However, if Aiden Walsh plays as good as he did against Down then they might jot get any ball!!
1. Ken O'Halloran Bishopstown
2. Michael Shields St. Finbarr's
3. Eoin O'Mahony Macroom
4. Eoin Cadogan Douglas
5. Tomás Clancy Fermoy
6. Noel O'Leary Cill na Martra
7. Jamie O'Sullivan Bishopstown
8. Graham Canty Bantry Blues
9. Aidan Walsh Kanturk
10. Fintan Goold Macroom
11. Mark Collins Castlehaven
12. Paul Kerrigan Nemo Rangers
13. Donncha O'Connor Ballydesmond
14. Ciaran Sheehan Eire Og
15. Colm O'Neill Ballyclough
Subs
16 Alan Quirke Valley Rovers
17 Paudie Kissane Clyda Rovers
18 John McLoughlin Kanturk
19 Brian Shanahan Carbery Rangers
20 Conor O'Driscoll Ilen Rovers
21 James Fitzpatrick Carbery Rangers
22 Andrew O'Sullivan Castletownbere
23 Liam Shorten Beal Atha'n Ghaorthaidh
24 Barry O'Driscoll Nemo Rangers
Is that close to Cork's best team?
Paddy Kelly
Pearse O'Neill
Alan Quirke
Dan Goulding
Paudie Kissane
There is also a number of under 21 players that would fancy making the panel who are ruled out at the moment.
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on March 07, 2013, 09:56:00 PM
Paddy Kelly
Pearse O'Neill
Alan Quirke
Dan Goulding
Paudie Kissane
There is also a number of under 21 players that would fancy making the panel who are ruled out at the moment.
That's some squad Cork have when those lads are fit.
Glad to see a few changes this week and still looks like a good team. The fact Justy isn't starting after being taken of last week would suggest he's carrying a knock again which is disappointing. For him to get back to his best he really needs a good run of games.
As others have said its an exciting full forward line. But given Coney and Ronan O'Neill are still on the come back from long term injuries means we shouldn't expect too much yet. I would imagine one of the full forward line will come out to around centre half forward with Peter Harte playing the role operated by Mark Donnelly in other games - getting back to help defence and also leading counter attacks. If thats the case will be interesting to see how he gets on.
Thought Cassidy might have started this week. Will be interesting to see how the Cavanaghs get on together. They'd rarily play midfield for the Moy but it could be a combination that might work.
Do we expect McNeice and Donnelly to take turns at sweeper like the last time allowing Joey freedom to push on.
The half back line seems to be the only line that Mickey seems settled on.
Has he given up on trying McCarron there as he did last year?
Should we expect this to be a more open game that what we're used to playing so far this year
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on March 07, 2013, 09:56:00 PM
Paddy Kelly
Pearse O'Neill
Alan Quirke
Dan Goulding
Paudie Kissane
There is also a number of under 21 players that would fancy making the panel who are ruled out at the moment.
Pearse O'Neill is past it and I'd have Damien Cahalane instead of Kissane.
Think Cork will win this one.interesting point will be can Counihan have a an to deal with the sweeper?
Not a chance John, Colm Cavanagh to plunder the points in the dying seconds with another spectacular against the same opposition! ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 08, 2013, 10:38:30 PM
Not a chance John, Colm Cavanagh to plunder the points in the dying seconds with another spectacular against the same opposition! ;)
Now Fear you Know who I will be shouting for?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 08, 2013, 10:38:30 PM
Not a chance John, Colm Cavanagh to plunder the points in the dying seconds with another spectacular against the same opposition! ;)
He was going for a point ;)
Quote from: johnpower on March 08, 2013, 11:34:56 PM
Now Fear you Know who I will be shouting for?
Never even the hint of a sliver of a shadow of a doubt John! ;)
I prefict a draw with Cork getting off to a great start.
HT Tyrone 0-4 Cork 0-8
Playing against the wind but sounds like we're struggling for possession and Petey Harte has missed two goal chances.
We've had 6 wides I think they said.
I think the scorers were...
Ronan O'Neill
Stevie
Coney
Cavanagh free
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Long time since I witnessed such a poor Tyrone performance. Cork must have thought this was a training game. Christ I paid £11 in to watch that. Totally clueless.
What was wrong with them today?
We always seem to struggle with Cork
Quote from: reddgnhand on March 10, 2013, 05:38:49 PM
Long time since I witnessed such a poor Tyrone performance. Cork must have thought this was a training game. Christ I paid £11 in to watch that. Totally clueless.
All over the park?
That was as poor a performance from Tyrone as I have seen in a long time..
Totally cleaned out in midfield, our half back and half forward lines were non existent .. Why we persisted in booming the kick outs straight down the middle was a mystery. Maybe a bit of variation would have helped the running game we were trying to implement..
Having said that, I was very impressed with Cork. Walsh is a class act, was brilliant today. Canty competes for all the loose ball in midfield which gives Walsh the platform to exhibit all his skills. Cork are strong in defence also, Cadogan was impressive and in Oneill and Kerrigan they have classy forwards who can win their own ball and take impressive scores..
Came home very disappointed with Tyrone but impressed by Cork.
Two words breakinfeckin ball. or is that 3? Was Kissane really Dooher in disguise?? Good reality check tho.
Was very disappointed with the performance today after a bright start to the season. Hopefully its just a blip but it was an awful performance. It reminded me a bit of how we just died when up against tough opposition in the championship in recent years (Dublin 2011, Kerry last year).
As has already been said breaking ball was a huge issue. I'd love to see the stats because it seemed like Cork won about 90% of breaking ball from kickouts. And it wasn't even that we were being out fought as such, the issue was we simply weren't in the right positions to compete. The kickouts kept coming down the middle were in fairness we weren't being out caught but Cork would have 2 or 3 men well positioned in the area and our midfielder would be totally isolated.
Another big problem was we were so defensive but in a brainless way. We'd regularly have 10 or 12 men behind the ball but they weren't working hard enough and weren't picking up men. Cork had oceans of space. We were inviting them onto us and then giving acres of room. Then on the occassions we got the ball back we were far to slow to push out and weren't getting the men forward. The forward play was atrocious at times to and there was a lot of wasted opportunites. Harte probably missed 1-3 of scorable chances alone and Cavanagh missed a few frees and few bad efforts to. Our key players really didn't have good games today.
As I say I hope this was a blip contributed to players getting carried away and the number of changes (including 3 players making 1st start of the season) and not a sign of what is to come later in the season v the big teams. Certainly if we play like this next week Dublin will hammer us. That has become an important game in this stage of the season. Another hammering there would do the confidence no good at all.
In fairness to Conor Gormley today again when under pressure he was probably our best performer.
On another note today I thought like in many other games we came off far worse with the referees decisions. I'd love to have the opinion of a neutral at the match on that one. It certainly didn't cost us the game but didn't do any favours. These Meath refs don't seem to like us.
Kerry match will take on huge significance.
Will be lucky to stay within 10 of Dublin next week and Kildare away will be very tough.
Quote from: tyroneman on March 10, 2013, 08:04:37 PM
Kerry match will take on huge significance.
Will be lucky to stay within 10 of Dublin next week and Kildare away will be very tough.
No need to fear Kerry (what date is that match?)
I'd be hoping for a big reaction next week and to lay down a marker that we really belong with the best teams in the country. I want to see the team playing with much more heart and confidence. Hopefully croke park against the Dubs will bring the best out of them. Maybe today can be used to drive the team on going forward. I've a feeling we will see a much better performance next week.
Defeat today may be a blessing in disguise by dampening expectations and remind us that we are still rebuilding. Couldn't ask for a better game to focus the mind and ask for a big performance than the Dubs in Croke park.
Draw a line under today and set the sights for Jones road.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 10, 2013, 08:02:10 PM
Was very disappointed with the performance today after a bright start to the season. Hopefully its just a blip but it was an awful performance. It reminded me a bit of how we just died when up against tough opposition in the championship in recent years (Dublin 2011, Kerry last year).
As has already been said breaking ball was a huge issue. I'd love to see the stats because it seemed like Cork won about 90% of breaking ball from kickouts. And it wasn't even that we were being out fought as such, the issue was we simply weren't in the right positions to compete. The kickouts kept coming down the middle were in fairness we weren't being out caught but Cork would have 2 or 3 men well positioned in the area and our midfielder would be totally isolated.
Another big problem was we were so defensive but in a brainless way. We'd regularly have 10 or 12 men behind the ball but they weren't working hard enough and weren't picking up men. Cork had oceans of space. We were inviting them onto us and then giving acres of room. Then on the occassions we got the ball back we were far to slow to push out and weren't getting the men forward. The forward play was atrocious at times to and there was a lot of wasted opportunites. Harte probably missed 1-3 of scorable chances alone and Cavanagh missed a few frees and few bad efforts to. Our key players really didn't have good games today.
As I say I hope this was a blip contributed to players getting carried away and the number of changes (including 3 players making 1st start of the season) and not a sign of what is to come later in the season v the big teams. Certainly if we play like this next week Dublin will hammer us. That has become an important game in this stage of the season. Another hammering there would do the confidence no good at all.
In fairness to Conor Gormley today again when under pressure he was probably our best performer.
On another note today I thought like in many other games we came off far worse with the referees decisions. I'd love to have the opinion of a neutral at the match on that one. It certainly didn't cost us the game but didn't do any favours. These Meath refs don't seem to like us.
On the point of the ref john clarke was commentating and said that the referee favoured tyrone slightly.
I don't know how anyone could have said he favoured Tyrone. He was particularly bad in the 1st half giving Cork all the 50 50 calls and some very soft frees. He did let one or 2 go in the 2nd half in fairness. As I said had no impact on the result but just didn't think he was good and wasn't a big fan of any kind of physical contact.
I thought it strange that a commentator said that to be honest. No idea if that's accurate or not.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 10, 2013, 09:32:24 PM
I thought it strange that a commentator said that to be honest. No idea if that's accurate or not.
The commentator set him up by saying the same - particularly about the second half.
The three early wins might prove vital. Away to Dublin, away to Kildare and then home to Kerry who will be fighting for their lives - they'll be well tested before the Donegal championship game. No wins in those and you're looking over your shoulder. One win and it's probably a semi-final berth.
Were the Cavanaghs cleaned out?
Quote from: ONeill on March 10, 2013, 09:37:00 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 10, 2013, 09:32:24 PM
I thought it strange that a commentator said that to be honest. No idea if that's accurate or not.
The commentator set him up by saying the same - particularly about the second half.
The three early wins might prove vital. Away to Dublin, away to Kildare and then home to Kerry who will be fighting for their lives - they'll be well tested before the Donegal championship game. No wins in those and you're looking over your shoulder. One win and it's probably a semi-final berth.
Were the Cavanaghs cleaned out?
Cleaned out is probably a bit strong because they did break a lot of ball. But with regards to winning breaking ball we were definitely cleaned out. Cork seemed to have 2-3 men waiting for every break no matter where it landed. Cork had a bit more tactical nous than in recent seasons and set up a serious wall of defence to break through. Yet had we taken another chance or two it wouldn't have taken much to win this game. Tyrone very flat throughout & had any player given us something to shout about, the supporters could have carried them over the line. However the expectation will be contained for another while & looks like its gonna take a mighty performance to stay with the Dubs.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 10, 2013, 05:47:07 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on March 10, 2013, 05:38:49 PM
Long time since I witnessed such a poor Tyrone performance. Cork must have thought this was a training game. Christ I paid £11 in to watch that. Totally clueless.
All over the park?
McCarron and Gormley had good games. McCrory started well but Colm O'Neill gradually got on top. Beyond that we offered little. There were 4 other forwards could have been taken off before or at least with McAliskey.
We are badly in need of a reliable free taker. We missed 4 in a row from between 30 and 45 yards on the left side in a 15 minute period in the second half (Morgan then S Cavanagh then R O'Neill then S Cavanagh again. Morgan and Cavanagh must have missed 6 between them.
The 2 best frees we hit were from Joe McMahon from about 55 yards from and Conor Gormley though he was trying to drop it short.
If in doubt blame the referee - typical :)
Quote from: LeoMc on March 11, 2013, 09:05:02 AM
McCarron and Gormley had good games. McCrory started well but Colm O'Neill gradually got on top. Beyond that we offered little. There were 4 other forwards could have been taken off before or at least with McAliskey.
We are badly in need of a reliable free taker. We missed 4 in a row from between 30 and 45 yards on the left side in a 15 minute period in the second half (Morgan then S Cavanagh then R O'Neill then S Cavanagh again. Morgan and Cavanagh must have missed 6 between them.
The 2 best frees we hit were from Joe McMahon from about 55 yards from and Conor Gormley though he was trying to drop it short.
Thanks for that. Plenty for MH to work on so, though Morgan did OK on his frees last week (until he was awarded MOTM!), if we're to avoid a rout in HQ at the weekend.
Quote from: LeoMc on March 11, 2013, 09:05:02 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 10, 2013, 05:47:07 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on March 10, 2013, 05:38:49 PM
Long time since I witnessed such a poor Tyrone performance. Cork must have thought this was a training game. Christ I paid £11 in to watch that. Totally clueless.
All over the park?
McCarron and Gormley had good games. McCrory started well but Colm O'Neill gradually got on top. Beyond that we offered little. There were 4 other forwards could have been taken off before or at least with McAliskey.We are badly in need of a reliable free taker. We missed 4 in a row from between 30 and 45 yards on the left side in a 15 minute period in the second half (Morgan then S Cavanagh then R O'Neill then S Cavanagh again. Morgan and Cavanagh must have missed 6 between them.
The 2 best frees we hit were from Joe McMahon from about 55 yards from and Conor Gormley though he was trying to drop it short.
Confused by this as McAliskey wasn't on??
In fairness to Joe McMahon he's always did ok with the longer range free's. Since being named man of the match Morgan has now missed 4 in a row.
Didn't see anyone blame the ref SBW.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 11, 2013, 09:59:29 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on March 11, 2013, 09:05:02 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 10, 2013, 05:47:07 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on March 10, 2013, 05:38:49 PM
Long time since I witnessed such a poor Tyrone performance. Cork must have thought this was a training game. Christ I paid £11 in to watch that. Totally clueless.
All over the park?
McCarron and Gormley had good games. McCrory started well but Colm O'Neill gradually got on top. Beyond that we offered little. There were 4 other forwards could have been taken off before or at least with McAliskey.We are badly in need of a reliable free taker. We missed 4 in a row from between 30 and 45 yards on the left side in a 15 minute period in the second half (Morgan then S Cavanagh then R O'Neill then S Cavanagh again. Morgan and Cavanagh must have missed 6 between them.
The 2 best frees we hit were from Joe McMahon from about 55 yards from and Conor Gormley though he was trying to drop it short.
Confused by this as McAliskey wasn't on??
In fairness to Joe McMahon he's always did ok with the longer range free's. Since being named man of the match Morgan has now missed 4 in a row.
Didn't see anyone blame the ref SBW.
Sorry, I meant McNeice. He was doing some good work covering back though Cork were doing a lot of their first half work down the left wing.
That was a horrible showing. Mickey didn't take the nephew off-no chance. I feel he has been carried the past few games. He's gradually going back to the players he had last season which wasn't good enough
Quote from: Man Marker on March 11, 2013, 12:55:15 PM
That was a horrible showing. Mickey didn't take the nephew off-no chance. I feel he has been carried the past few games. He's gradually going back to the players he had last season which wasn't good enough
Not sure I agree with the last bit. Morgan, McKenna, McNamee, McNeice, Sean Cavanagh, Coney, Ronan O'Neill all started yesterday and apart from 1 appearance from McNamee didn't play any part in last years championship. Plus the likes of McRory, Donnelly and Harte have only been about for a few seasons so were still very much learning there trade last year.
This is following a familiar early season pattern which is worrying. Tyrone and Kildare were both found out yesterday. I think we have been carrying certain players in key positions who are out of form and who have yet to deliver on the big day.
I also think there are new players are no better than some of the players we discarded last year and in most cases worse. It will be interesting to see who actually are the form players in Tyrone when the club league starts.
I don't think anyone discarded last year would have made a huge difference yesterday. It's easy to criticise but given that Tyrone had won all 8 games before yesterday I wouldn't get too carried away by a defeat after a very flat performance.
Yes keep in touch at what point do I be right?
Quote from: Man Marker on March 11, 2013, 12:55:15 PM
That was a horrible showing. Mickey didn't take the nephew off-no chance. I feel he has been carried the past few games. He's gradually going back to the players he had last season which wasn't good enough
You think he should drop Pete Harte?
I think it's very disrespectful to call players the nephew or whatever. Peter is no more a no 11 or 6 than I am though
Quote from: rrhf on March 11, 2013, 10:27:35 PM
Yes keep in touch at what point do I be right?
Ignoring your own club men (who you will naturally be biased towards) who are these players from prior year that would make such a difference? I think the panel is strong already and this would be further helped by the return of Mugsy and Sean O'Neill who have played in at least one in house game. Tyrone beat both All Ireland finalists from last year already in the league and up until yesterday were going well. Wouldn't be too quick to call for change after one league defeat against one of the best teams in Ireland.
Quote from: EC Unique on March 11, 2013, 10:30:43 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on March 11, 2013, 12:55:15 PM
That was a horrible showing. Mickey didn't take the nephew off-no chance. I feel he has been carried the past few games. He's gradually going back to the players he had last season which wasn't good enough
You think he should drop Pete Harte?
Why not, he has been crap this season, and haven't seen him produce anything in the championship to merit automatic inclusion. Has the skills but isn't producing it, anyone else outside of our All ireland heros they would be on the bench
Quote from: rrhf on March 11, 2013, 10:35:37 PM
I think it's very disrespectful to call players the nephew or whatever. Peter is no more a no 11 or 6 than I am though
How is it disrespectful, its factual.
Quote from: Man Marker on March 11, 2013, 11:27:15 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on March 11, 2013, 10:30:43 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on March 11, 2013, 12:55:15 PM
That was a horrible showing. Mickey didn't take the nephew off-no chance. I feel he has been carried the past few games. He's gradually going back to the players he had last season which wasn't good enough
You think he should drop Pete Harte?
Why not, he has been crap this season, and haven't seen him produce anything in the championship to merit automatic inclusion. Has the skills but isn't producing it, anyone else outside of our All ireland heros they would be on the bench
He has been average by his own high standards in some games this year but I think he has had some good spells as well. From memory he had a good game against Down in the first league game and any time I saw him in the McKenna cup he was effective.
He is one of the most talented players on the squad and will def start in the Championship on merit.
Quote from: Man Marker on March 11, 2013, 11:28:11 PM
Quote from: rrhf on March 11, 2013, 10:35:37 PM
I think it's very disrespectful to call players the nephew or whatever. Peter is no more a no 11 or 6 than I am though
How is it disrespectful, its factual.
I actually thought Pete had a sound game V Donegal. But I am disappointed with all the hype here based on Mc Kenna cup and league and after playing a Donegal team that were on half battery. Hype and blowing up our chances and being all over the papers every day does not a focussed approach make.
Lads lads. Calm down calm down
I think it was important to get 2013 off to a good start and so winning the McKenna cup and first 3 league games was important.
Yes at home to the high flying Dubs will be tough but we've only had one bad performance really so far. Is that fair to say?
Petey certainly hasn't pushed on the way we all had hoped but he's still young and from an early age he was probably targeted as a man to man mark and take out of games and so his confidence perhaps has suffered cos of that. I don't know for sure.
I think he will come good again as he shows in little spurts sometimes. I still thing wing half back will give him more freedom though to push forward and not be so well marshalled.
I think we'll give the Dubs a good game and after last Sunday they think they're untouchable again with the usual Dubs hype back in full swing.
Quote from: rrhf on March 12, 2013, 12:00:27 PM
I actually thought Pete had a sound game V Donegal. But I am disappointed with all the hype here based on Mc Kenna cup and league and after playing a Donegal team that were on half battery. Hype and blowing up our chances and being all over the papers every day does not a focussed approach make.
I agree rrhf but that's the nature of sports fans and GAA fans in particular in my opinion. To be honest I find it a little strange that you complain about people hyping Tyrone on the basis of the McKenna Cup and 3 league games yet you said that the team were "found out" after their first defeat in 9 games! That's one extreme to the other. In reality there are a lot of new players on the panel - and some older ones who are looking for proper spell of games following injuries - and it's very much a work in progress. They weren't world beaters after winning the McKenna Cup and the first 3 league games, and neither can they be written off after one poor performance. Staying in Division 1 and blooding new players with an eye on a settled team for the championship was surely the aim and this stage we are doing pretty well in that respect.
I was glad to see Coney and Ronan O'Neill getting a chance at the weekend and I hope we see more of them and of McCurry in the remaining league games. I believe we have the basis of a solid team and some new faces have shown well. There is a need for scoring forwards and the 3 players I mentioned have the potential to sort that, let's hope that with a bit of game time that they can push on.
Regarding players not on the panel, I think the panel needed freshening up and I think it has helped greatly. I am sure the door is not closed however to any player who is playing well and working hard. We have after all already seen Cassidy return this season. Must say I would be interested in another chance for Raymie Mulgrew too if we was playing well for his club, a class act who if fit and on form would be worth another chance.
3 wins from 4 though - I think we would all have settled for that a few weeks ago.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on March 12, 2013, 03:00:23 PM
Quote from: rrhf on March 12, 2013, 12:00:27 PM
I actually thought Pete had a sound game V Donegal. But I am disappointed with all the hype here based on Mc Kenna cup and league and after playing a Donegal team that were on half battery. Hype and blowing up our chances and being all over the papers every day does not a focussed approach make.
I agree rrhf but that's the nature of sports fans and GAA fans in particular in my opinion. To be honest I find it a little strange that you complain about people hyping Tyrone on the basis of the McKenna Cup and 3 league games yet you said that the team were "found out" after their first defeat in 9 games! That's one extreme to the other. In reality there are a lot of new players on the panel - and some older ones who are looking for proper spell of games following injuries - and it's very much a work in progress. They weren't world beaters after winning the McKenna Cup and the first 3 league games, and neither can they be written off after one poor performance. Staying in Division 1 and blooding new players with an eye on a settled team for the championship was surely the aim and this stage we are doing pretty well in that respect.
I was glad to see Coney and Ronan O'Neill getting a chance at the weekend and I hope we see more of them and of McCurry in the remaining league games. I believe we have the basis of a solid team and some new faces have shown well. There is a need for scoring forwards and the 3 players I mentioned have the potential to sort that, let's hope that with a bit of game time that they can push on.
Regarding players not on the panel, I think the panel needed freshening up and I think it has helped greatly. I am sure the door is not closed however to any player who is playing well and working hard. We have after all already seen Cassidy return this season. Must say I would be interested in another chance for Raymie Mulgrew too if we was playing well for his club, a class act who if fit and on form would be worth another chance.
3 wins from 4 though - I think we would all have settled for that a few weeks ago.
Good post which I agree with. We're certainly no world beaters but things are coming along rightly. Would be concerned if we got a hammering this week and put in another poor display but I'm hoping for a bit of a reaction. The team will have to be prepared to work their socks of to get anything from this. I'd like to see a team like this out:
Morgan
McCrory
Clarke (doubt he'll play with the u21's coming up)
Gormley
Harte
Justy
McNamee
Joe McMahon
Cassidy
Mattie Donnelly
S Cavanagh
Penrose
Coney (wouldn't be disappointed with McAliskey either)
O'Neill
Mark Donnelly
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 12, 2013, 02:11:40 PM
I think we'll give the Dubs a good game and after last Sunday they think they're untouchable again with the usual Dubs hype back in full swing.
I can't imagine that any Dublin fan is getting carried away. No one should take Tyrone lightly. They are a far superior team to a very average top 10 team like Kildare.