This turned me this evening even though I would never eat processed meat products. The meat bought undercover wouldn't even be fit for dog food. A few individuals in this country it would seem were/are making a lot of money exporting horses not fit for human consumption to England for slaughter. No doubt this is only the tip of the iceberg!
Is horse meat just like lean beef?
Nothing wrong with it,the wife is getting good at the jumps now.Any point to point races I could enter her in? :)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/24/cost-cheap-burger-higher-12p
My father recently became a Bord Bia approved Farmer, Bord Bia arrived for a farm inspection, found that everything was fine, except he did not have a Health and Safety Notice at the farm gate....... Three times our Bord Bia inspectors came to see the sign (one did not know the other had visited) ::). As usual the farmer gets hammered with paperwork and regulation, while the meat factories with all the vets on 500 euros a day, been paid by the Govt. can process whatever they want............whilst keeping farm prices low and creaming off massive profits. Ireland the best meat producers in the world, my hole.
For the lads making all the jokes, if you knew the health implications of eating drug cotaminated horse meat you wouldn't find it so funny. Phenylbutazone is the major pain killer and corticosteroid used in the horse industry, it is banned among food producing animals because its side effects in humans include aplastic anaemia where your body stops producing blood cells and wasting of many of of the body's tissues. It's half life in the horse is extremely long.
FFS why is everyone acting so surprised? It's not as though we didn't know the likes of Larry Goodman has been at this for decades. Remember his canned beef to the middle east in the 80s & 90s was unfit for use even as pet food. What, you thought he wouldn't pull similar stunt in Europe? The man who along with Charlie Haughey almost bankrupted the country. ::)
The only "good" thing about this is that the testing regime will now be "beefed up". With modern technology many of these tricks can be more easily detected.
Quote from: Ulick on February 19, 2013, 12:40:43 PM
FFS why is everyone acting so surprised? It's not as though we didn't know the likes of Larry Goodman has been at this for decades. Remember his canned beef to the middle east in the 80s & 90s was unfit for use even as pet food. What, you thought he wouldn't pull similar stunt in Europe? The man who along with Charlie Haughey almost bankrupted the country. ::)
This isn't just a Goodman scam, although it did seem that way when the story first broke. This seems to be a Europe wide problem, the real problem seems to be that they will all get away with it as they can easily pass the buck. In my opinion they knew exactly what they were buying.
Quote from: Ulick on February 19, 2013, 12:40:43 PM
FFS why is everyone acting so surprised? It's not as though we didn't know the likes of Larry Goodman has been at this for decades. Remember his canned beef to the middle east in the 80s & 90s was unfit for use even as pet food. What, you thought he wouldn't pull similar stunt in Europe? The man who along with Charlie Haughey almost bankrupted the country. ::)
Haughey can be accused of alot of things but "almost bankrupting the country" is imvho not one of them. Never heard that thrown at him before.
To get back to the original point we here in Ireland got a lucky escape here in that it is a Europe problem now and not one to be pinned on us alone.
It's no real shock but as Trileacman has pointed out there are real health dangers from consuming contaminated meat. It'll be interesting to see who the gangsters in this country are that have been involved.
Quote from: Boghopper on February 19, 2013, 01:36:18 PM
It's no real shock but as Trileacman has pointed out there are real health dangers from consuming contaminated meat. It'll be interesting to see who the gangsters in this country are that have been involved.
It is quite scary to think that Wullie might have been on the ball with this one.
I don't see why regulation can't be strengthened in this area.
As Tesco are fond of saying, "every little helps"
Quote from: Canalman on February 19, 2013, 01:10:45 PM
Quote from: Ulick on February 19, 2013, 12:40:43 PM
FFS why is everyone acting so surprised? It's not as though we didn't know the likes of Larry Goodman has been at this for decades. Remember his canned beef to the middle east in the 80s & 90s was unfit for use even as pet food. What, you thought he wouldn't pull similar stunt in Europe? The man who along with Charlie Haughey almost bankrupted the country. ::)
Haughey can be accused of alot of things but "almost bankrupting the country" is imvho not one of them. Never heard that thrown at him before.
It was Haughey who underwrote Goodmans deal with the Iraqis. When it went tits up, the Irish taxpayer picked up the bill for £400 million. Then there was the beef factory in Roscommon which mysteriously burned down in the early 90s just as Beef Tribunal and EEC investigators where about to go into it. The Irish government then had to give the EU £35million in compensation because Fianna Fáil government of the day didn't disclose they knew all about the shannigans in the factory. Cowboys the lot of them...
Horses for (main) courses.
I've a 'quarter beef' from my neighbor in the freezer, been good stuff so far. I would guess home has too many 'safety' regulations for such purchases? Pretty sure there's no horse in there, then again he does have horses, should have counted them before and after.
whoa! wheres this horseMEAT stuff coming from? has'nt any of you figured out why people are refering to the offending product being "equine dna" and in the beginning it was being talked about as "additional protein" by none other than silvercrest (mr goodmans company) the stuff that they are putting in the burgers is 'equine offal' ie the trimmings of a horse carcase.. kidneys heart head meat, neck and legmeat etc.. nobody actually thinks its the good parts of the horse.. do they? in modern meat factories they have what is called MRM- machine recovered meat. which is what happens when you clean bones, heads ribs and stuff that it costs too much to boned by hand. basically its a big machine which large circular brushes that scrub the meat/sinue/ligaments off the bones leaving them shining. this is the stuff we've been eating and getting our childeren to eat.... "if you dont eat up there'll be no desert"
they all know they have been using it ffs where can you buy beef at 20stg per tonne? all european meat prices are available on the farmers journal anyone can see the stuff had to be dodgey. further proof that the sliveen still thrives in ireland
Quote from: lawnseed on February 19, 2013, 05:39:25 PM
whoa! wheres this horseMEAT stuff coming from? has'nt any of you figured out why people are refering to the offending product being "equine dna" and in the beginning it was being talked about as "additional protein" by none other than silvercrest (mr goodmans company) the stuff that they are putting in the burgers is 'equine offal' ie the trimmings of a horse carcase.. kidneys heart head meat, neck and legmeat etc.. nobody actually thinks its the good parts of the horse.. do they? in modern meat factories they have what is called MRM- machine recovered meat. which is what happens when you clean bones, heads ribs and stuff that it costs too much to boned by hand. basically its a big machine which large circular brushes that scrub the meat/sinue/ligaments off the bones leaving them shining. this is the stuff we've been eating and getting our childeren to eat.... "if you dont eat up there'll be no desert"
they all know they have been using it ffs where can you buy beef at 20stg per tonne? all european meat prices are available on the farmers journal anyone can see the stuff had to be dodgey. further proof that the sliveen still thrives in ireland
In 2012 the EU banned the use of MRM in burgers etc-that is when the horsemeat appears to have come into the picture.
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2013, 05:48:22 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on February 19, 2013, 05:39:25 PM
whoa! wheres this horseMEAT stuff coming from? has'nt any of you figured out why people are refering to the offending product being "equine dna" and in the beginning it was being talked about as "additional protein" by none other than silvercrest (mr goodmans company) the stuff that they are putting in the burgers is 'equine offal' ie the trimmings of a horse carcase.. kidneys heart head meat, neck and legmeat etc.. nobody actually thinks its the good parts of the horse.. do they? in modern meat factories they have what is called MRM- machine recovered meat. which is what happens when you clean bones, heads ribs and stuff that it costs too much to boned by hand. basically its a big machine which large circular brushes that scrub the meat/sinue/ligaments off the bones leaving them shining. this is the stuff we've been eating and getting our childeren to eat.... "if you dont eat up there'll be no desert"
they all know they have been using it ffs where can you buy beef at 20stg per tonne? all european meat prices are available on the farmers journal anyone can see the stuff had to be dodgey. further proof that the sliveen still thrives in ireland
In 2012 the EU banned the use of MRM in burgers etc-that is when the horsemeat appears to have come into the picture.
yes beef mrm was banned. horse mrm was not but then its wasnt meant to be in "beef" burgers i sure you see where i'm coming from horse 'meat' ie actual filet is not £20per tonne
Quote from: lawnseed on February 19, 2013, 05:39:25 PM
whoa! wheres this horseMEAT stuff coming from? has'nt any of you figured out why people are refering to the offending product being "equine dna" and in the beginning it was being talked about as "additional protein" by none other than silvercrest (mr goodmans company) the stuff that they are putting in the burgers is 'equine offal' ie the trimmings of a horse carcase.. kidneys heart head meat, neck and legmeat etc.. nobody actually thinks its the good parts of the horse.. do they? in modern meat factories they have what is called MRM- machine recovered meat. which is what happens when you clean bones, heads ribs and stuff that it costs too much to boned by hand. basically its a big machine which large circular brushes that scrub the meat/sinue/ligaments off the bones leaving them shining. this is the stuff we've been eating and getting our childeren to eat.... "if you dont eat up there'll be no desert"
they all know they have been using it ffs where can you buy beef at 20stg per tonne? all european meat prices are available on the farmers journal anyone can see the stuff had to be dodgey. further proof that the sliveen still thrives in ireland
Good point, had a good bit of publicity over here on 'pink slime' recently, sounds like the same stuff.
Stopped eating fast food a few years ago, stopped eating processed meat shortly after. Now I've been meat-free for over a year. European food production is actually better regulated than in the US, so I shudder to think what's in American meat besides the shit* that they talked about in Fast Food Nation.
* No exaggeration. There is actual shit in the meat.
its only a short time since the meat industry here was making great mirth about the occasional tapir being slaughtered in on farm abbatiors in brazil holding this up as a reason not to allow imports of brazilian beef, and now a few cases of bse have been discovered there and just as they were about to get up on their 'high horse' its that very horse thats wiping the smile off their faces. of course everyone knows when all the horse jokes are over the farmer will get it up the 'ass' as usaul when meat factories pass their losses on the the guy who cant go else where
Quote from: lawnseed on February 19, 2013, 05:55:06 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2013, 05:48:22 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on February 19, 2013, 05:39:25 PM
whoa! wheres this horseMEAT stuff coming from? has'nt any of you figured out why people are refering to the offending product being "equine dna" and in the beginning it was being talked about as "additional protein" by none other than silvercrest (mr goodmans company) the stuff that they are putting in the burgers is 'equine offal' ie the trimmings of a horse carcase.. kidneys heart head meat, neck and legmeat etc.. nobody actually thinks its the good parts of the horse.. do they? in modern meat factories they have what is called MRM- machine recovered meat. which is what happens when you clean bones, heads ribs and stuff that it costs too much to boned by hand. basically its a big machine which large circular brushes that scrub the meat/sinue/ligaments off the bones leaving them shining. this is the stuff we've been eating and getting our childeren to eat.... "if you dont eat up there'll be no desert"
they all know they have been using it ffs where can you buy beef at 20stg per tonne? all european meat prices are available on the farmers journal anyone can see the stuff had to be dodgey. further proof that the sliveen still thrives in ireland
In 2012 the EU banned the use of MRM in burgers etc-that is when the horsemeat appears to have come into the picture.
yes beef mrm was banned. horse mrm was not but then its wasnt meant to be in "beef" burgers i sure you see where i'm coming from horse 'meat' ie actual filet is not £20per tonne
Beef mrm is cheap. Beef isn't. 3 euro a kilo. Horse is 50 cent a kilo, I read somewhere. So there is no more MRM and you need a cheap protein filler. And the collapse of the bubble economy means a lot of horses flood the market.
And there is austerity and the number of regulators is decreased.
And every little helps.
And every LIDL.
It is not that surprising. But fair play to the Irish food wallahs for doing what they did.
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2013, 09:42:08 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on February 19, 2013, 05:55:06 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2013, 05:48:22 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on February 19, 2013, 05:39:25 PM
whoa! wheres this horseMEAT stuff coming from? has'nt any of you figured out why people are refering to the offending product being "equine dna" and in the beginning it was being talked about as "additional protein" by none other than silvercrest (mr goodmans company) the stuff that they are putting in the burgers is 'equine offal' ie the trimmings of a horse carcase.. kidneys heart head meat, neck and legmeat etc.. nobody actually thinks its the good parts of the horse.. do they? in modern meat factories they have what is called MRM- machine recovered meat. which is what happens when you clean bones, heads ribs and stuff that it costs too much to boned by hand. basically its a big machine which large circular brushes that scrub the meat/sinue/ligaments off the bones leaving them shining. this is the stuff we've been eating and getting our childeren to eat.... "if you dont eat up there'll be no desert"
they all know they have been using it ffs where can you buy beef at 20stg per tonne? all european meat prices are available on the farmers journal anyone can see the stuff had to be dodgey. further proof that the sliveen still thrives in ireland
In 2012 the EU banned the use of MRM in burgers etc-that is when the horsemeat appears to have come into the picture.
yes beef mrm was banned. horse mrm was not but then its wasnt meant to be in "beef" burgers i sure you see where i'm coming from horse 'meat' ie actual filet is not £20per tonne
Beef mrm is cheap. Beef isn't. 3 euro a kilo. Horse is 50 cent a kilo, I read somewhere. So there is no more MRM and you need a cheap protein filler. And the collapse of the bubble economy means a lot of horses flood the market.
And there is austerity and the number of regulators is decreased.
And every little helps.
And every LIDL.
It is not that surprising. But fair play to the Irish food wallahs for doing what they did.
one ingredient missing slimeballs willing to trick poor people into eating other poor peoples unwanted pets
Quote from: LeoMc on February 19, 2013, 01:47:47 PM
Quote from: Boghopper on February 19, 2013, 01:36:18 PM
It's no real shock but as Trileacman has pointed out there are real health dangers from consuming contaminated meat. It'll be interesting to see who the gangsters in this country are that have been involved.
It is quite scary to think that Wullie might have been on the ball with this one.
We will never hear the end of it if he is.
Quote from: Boghopper on February 19, 2013, 11:23:25 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on February 19, 2013, 01:47:47 PM
Quote from: Boghopper on February 19, 2013, 01:36:18 PM
It's no real shock but as Trileacman has pointed out there are real health dangers from consuming contaminated meat. It'll be interesting to see who the gangsters in this country are that have been involved.
It is quite scary to think that Wullie might have been on the ball with this one.
We will never hear the end of it if he is.
Wise up fellers, he claimed 70,000 horses (from the north) were exported for slaughter and of course the fenians are to blame, the man needs help, he is as dumb as a bag of hammers and the chimps that support him are almost as bad as he is.
Quote from: stew on February 20, 2013, 02:59:13 PM
Quote from: Boghopper on February 19, 2013, 11:23:25 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on February 19, 2013, 01:47:47 PM
Quote from: Boghopper on February 19, 2013, 01:36:18 PM
It's no real shock but as Trileacman has pointed out there are real health dangers from consuming contaminated meat. It'll be interesting to see who the gangsters in this country are that have been involved.
It is quite scary to think that Wullie might have been on the ball with this one.
We will never hear the end of it if he is.
Wise up fellers, he claimed 70,000 horses (from the north) were exported for slaughter and of course the fenians are to blame, the man needs help, he is as dumb as a bag of hammers and the chimps that support him are almost as bad as he is.
The USPCA came out with the same number and then revised it to 35,500 missing, saying the 70,000 referred to the whole Island.
Was talking to a guy that works in one of the meat plants over here and he told me that he visited a animal food factory in England becaused they use the same packing equipment and the boss in it told him that a tray of meat for dog/cat food is worth £3.00/pack and ur man told me that the same pack of meat for humans is only worth £1.00/pack. He noted that the factory was spotless he said they could have moved in and started production it was that good.
I worked in a Meat Plant for 3 summers during college.
There was a person employed full time to change the labels on the packaging and the crates which had not being sold to make it look like it was only produced that day. It was then loaded onto a lorry and sent away, no wastage in the meat industry.
Hope they tighten up on these cowboys now and stop handing out big grants to them unless they tow the line, but unfortunately it will be the farmers who will have to pay in the end.
Tommy i remember working ina meat factory int eh north, where one day we had to unpack a few pallets, i noticed the beef was dated for use for the end of that week, it was all took off and relabeled for another 3 weeks, there was already a funny smell of it already and that was in the chill. after working in that place i wouldst eat sausages or mine for about 3yrs, then again i hear run ours from friends who work in cheese factories and in the chicken processing who wouldn't eat certain foods they were producing either.
Must be a few horses down in Tipp....
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/operations-suspended-at-tipperary-plant-exporting-horse-meat-labelled-as-beef-29088715.html
Quote from: armaghniac on February 22, 2013, 07:43:15 PM
Must be a few horses down in Tipp....
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/operations-suspended-at-tipperary-plant-exporting-horse-meat-labelled-as-beef-29088715.html
Our beef industry is beginning to look like our banking industry. The failure of the regulators in both industries is striking.
http://bfmeats.ie (http://bfmeats.ie)
The above is the website of the Thomastown factory of B&F, which is not the one involved. Click 'About Us' and you see the following info on both 'The Team' and 'Accounts'.
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Pellentesque sem urna, ultrices sit amet blandit luctus, lobortis sed metus. Vestibulum ante ipsum primis in faucibus orci luctus et ultrices posuere cubilia Curae; Sed suscipit sem nulla. Integer et libero elit.Under farmers they have this:
The quality of our product is key to our success. To ensure we can supply the finest meats to our customers we build up a relationship with all our farmers . We inspect their animals and ensure they share our vision of well-cared for and naturally reared animals. All of our product is fully traceable back to each individual farm partner.Seems they are happy to fire out any old guff.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21559451 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21559451)
Give horsemeat-tainted food to poor - German minister
Germany's development minister has suggested food tainted with horsemeat should be distributed to the poor.
Dirk Niebel said he supported the proposal by a member of the governing CDU party, and concluded: "We can't just throw away good food."
The opposition dismissed the idea, but a priest said it should be considered.
Meanwhile, traces of horse DNA have been found in six tonnes of minced beef and 2,400 packs of lasagne bolognese seized from a company in Italy.
The products were packaged by Italian group Primia, which is based in the town of San Giovanni in Persiceto, near the city of Bologna.
The health ministry said Primia had used meat from another company in Brescia and originally supplied by two other companies, also based there.
It is the first positive test in Italy since the scandal erupted last month.
Earlier, the Italian authorities said they had found no traces of horsemeat in beef products seized this week from the Swiss food giant, Nestle.
"To throw away food that could be consumed without risk is equally bad as false labelling and cannot be a solution"
The health ministry said the 26 tons of cooked and frozen mince beef meals would be returned. A Nestle spokesman welcomed the decision.
On Monday, Nestle announced that it was withdrawing two types of beef pasta meals from supermarkets in Italy and Spain after test revealed traces of horse DNA.
A problem was identified with a supplier in Germany, H J Schypke, it said.
Another German supplier, Dreistem, has been blamed for recalls of tinned goulash sold by the Lidl in Germany and Scandinavia, while a third, Vossko, has been accused by Liechtenstein's Hiclona of supplying beef tainted by horse for a pasta product withdrawn in Austria and Germany. All three companies have blamed their own suppliers.
On Friday evening, Germany's consumer affairs ministry announced that it had now found traces of horse DNA in 67 of 830 food products tested.
'Absurd'
On Saturday, a prominent member of the governing CDU party, Hartwig Fischer, told Bild newspaper that products tainted with horsemeat should be distributed to the poor.
The BBC's Steve Evans in Berlin says others have echoed the sentiment, including Mr Niebel, who said there were 800 million people in the world who were hungry.
In mid-January, Irish food inspectors announced they had found horsemeat in some burgers stocked by UK supermarket chains
Subsequently, up to 100% horsemeat found in several ranges of prepared frozen food in Britain, France and Sweden
Concerns that a drug used to treat horses, and which may be harmful to humans, could be in food chain
Meat traced from France through Cyprus and The Netherlands to Romanian abattoirs
Investigation suggests adulteration was not accidental but the work of a criminal conspiracy
"Even in Germany, unfortunately there are people for whom it is financially tight, even for food. I think that we can't just throw away good food here in Germany."
The opposition has dismissed the idea as "absurd" and an insult to poor people, our correspondent adds, but Prelate Bernhard Felmberg, the senior representative of the Evangelical Church in Germany (EKD), has backed the proposal.
"We as a Church find the throw-away mentality in our society concerning. How and whether to distribute the products in question would have to be examined," the priest said.
"But to throw away food that could be consumed without risk is equally bad as false labelling and cannot be a solution."
Meanwhile, France's agriculture ministry said several horse carcasses containing the drug phenylbutazone, also known as bute, had probably entered the human food chain.
A ministry spokesman told the AFP news agency that it was alerted by the UK Food Standards Agency (FSA) that six carcasses had been exported to France in January, but that the meat had already been processed. There was only a "minor" health risk, he added.
Earlier, three major French food companies have agreed to use only French beef in their products.
Findus - one of the firms at the heart of the scandal - and retailers Carrefour and Intermarche announced at the French Agricultural Salon that they would start using labels saying "100% French" from March.
French President Francois Hollande has said he wants mandatory labelling of the origin of meat used in processed food products. However, only a change in European Union legislation can compel manufacturers.
European agriculture ministers are expected to discuss origin labelling and meat traceability at a meeting in Brussels on Monday.
channel 5 @ 10pm horsemeat and other scandals >:(
It must be 15-20 years since they got rid of most of the small abbatoirs in the country as a result of new regulations which the butchers weren't able to meet - time to ease back on those regulations and have more of a local food cycle??
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 26, 2013, 02:52:54 AM
It must be 15-20 years since they got rid of most of the small abbatoirs in the country as a result of new regulations which the butchers weren't able to meet - time to ease back on those regulations and have more of a local food cycle??
Thats is just what we need, less regulation in the industry. ::)
How would we weed out the cowboys?
Quote from: LeoMc on February 26, 2013, 08:47:56 AM
Thats is just what we need, less regulation in the industry. ::)
How would we weed out the cowboys?
You're right, the current regulations are working out really well for everyone ::)
For beef in particular, there should be no reason anyone in Ireland eats beef from cattle anything more than 50 miles away. If cattle were bought and slaughtered locally, it would be pretty easy to find out who's buying good cattle, who's buying poor cattle and who's buying up horses!!
Can anyone explain to me how it is economical to truck/ ship etc horsemeat from Eastern Europe to here in Ireland to (ahem) pad out our beef products? Diesel, trucking, shipping, labour costs etc must be factored into it.
Just doesn't make sense to me.
Quote from: Canalman on February 28, 2013, 03:47:08 PM
Can anyone explain to me how it is economical to truck/ ship etc horsemeat from Eastern Europe to here in Ireland to (ahem) pad out our beef products? Diesel, trucking, shipping, labour costs etc must be factored into it.
Just doesn't make sense to me.
In Lawnseed's post (#16) he said horse meat is available at £20 per tonne, now I'm not aware of the price of beef per tonne but there must still be a large margin even when you factor in transport/labour costs.
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 28, 2013, 03:32:37 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on February 26, 2013, 08:47:56 AM
Thats is just what we need, less regulation in the industry. ::)
How would we weed out the cowboys?
You're right, the current regulations are working out really well for everyone ::)
For beef in particular, there should be no reason anyone in Ireland eats beef from cattle anything more than 50 miles away. If cattle were bought and slaughtered locally, it would be pretty easy to find out who's buying good cattle, who's buying poor cattle and who's buying up horses!!
This is hardly a logical argument for less regulation.
Our 'light touch' regulation in finance meant we joined the PIIGS rather than the other Euro countries after the financial crisis. The food industry scandal is beginning to follow their lead. We seem to be centrally involved, again, thanks to our shoddy version of regulation. I can think of other industries/areas where Ireland is rather pathetic when it comes to monitoring/regulation, for example Construction, Aviation, Health, Protection of children, License Awarding etc etc.
Quote from: muppet on February 28, 2013, 05:07:37 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 28, 2013, 03:32:37 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on February 26, 2013, 08:47:56 AM
Thats is just what we need, less regulation in the industry. ::)
How would we weed out the cowboys?
You're right, the current regulations are working out really well for everyone ::)
For beef in particular, there should be no reason anyone in Ireland eats beef from cattle anything more than 50 miles away. If cattle were bought and slaughtered locally, it would be pretty easy to find out who's buying good cattle, who's buying poor cattle and who's buying up horses!!
This is hardly a logical argument for less regulation.
Our 'light touch' regulation in finance meant we joined the PIIGS rather than the other Euro countries after the financial crisis. The food industry scandal is beginning to follow their lead. We seem to be centrally involved, again, thanks to our shoddy version of regulation. I can think of other industries/areas where Ireland is rather pathetic when it comes to monitoring/regulation, for example Construction, Aviation, Health, Protection of children, License Awarding etc etc.
The farmer is the one who suffers under the yoke of "regulation", Larry and his friends in high places do what they f**king like. There is currently over-regulation at farm level and as is apparent a criminal lack of regulation at coporate level.
I know of a case of a farmer who was recently given a jail term for cruelty to animals. I also think of the case of that Dublin businessman who was initially given 6 years for a tax fraud which he admitted to, paid back and helped the investigation.
How many of those people who have been endangering lives with the use of horsemeat have been arrested or faced with charges? Make no mistake, the use of undeclared horse-meat is so widespread across Europe now that it is almost certain that someone has encountered a residue of phenylbutazone leading to an acute, aplastic anaemia. Yet no-one has been arrested, no offices searched or files taken. Instead an "investigation" so slow that any incriminating evidence has had time to be destroyed or removed.
The actions of these people is akin to me selling sugar that is likely to be tainted with warfarin or making bread from flour laced with barbituates. Yet no-one will face charges, more likely than not if they keep their trap shut they'll keep their jobs.
One rule for the rich and one for the poor.
Quote from: trileacman on February 28, 2013, 05:59:12 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 28, 2013, 05:07:37 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 28, 2013, 03:32:37 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on February 26, 2013, 08:47:56 AM
Thats is just what we need, less regulation in the industry. ::)
How would we weed out the cowboys?
You're right, the current regulations are working out really well for everyone ::)
For beef in particular, there should be no reason anyone in Ireland eats beef from cattle anything more than 50 miles away. If cattle were bought and slaughtered locally, it would be pretty easy to find out who's buying good cattle, who's buying poor cattle and who's buying up horses!!
This is hardly a logical argument for less regulation.
Our 'light touch' regulation in finance meant we joined the PIIGS rather than the other Euro countries after the financial crisis. The food industry scandal is beginning to follow their lead. We seem to be centrally involved, again, thanks to our shoddy version of regulation. I can think of other industries/areas where Ireland is rather pathetic when it comes to monitoring/regulation, for example Construction, Aviation, Health, Protection of children, License Awarding etc etc.
The farmer is the one who suffers under the yoke of "regulation", Larry and his friends in high places do what they f**king like. There is currently over-regulation at farm level and as is apparent a criminal lack of regulation at coporate level.
I know of a case of a farmer who was recently given a jail term for cruelty to animals. I also think of the case of that Dublin businessman who was initially given 6 years for a tax fraud which he admitted to, paid back and helped the investigation.
How many of those people who have been endangering lives with the use of horsemeat have been arrested or faced with charges? Make no mistake, the use of undeclared horse-meat is so widespread across Europe now that it is almost certain that someone has encountered a residue of phenylbutazone leading to an acute, aplastic anaemia. Yet no-one has been arrested, no offices searched or files taken. Instead an "investigation" so slow that any incriminating evidence has had time to be destroyed or removed.
The actions of these people is akin to me selling sugar that is likely to be tainted with warfarin or making bread from flour laced with barbituates. Yet no-one will face charges, more likely than not if they keep their trap shut they'll keep their jobs.
One rule for the rich and one for the poor.
That is why we need more regulation, more staff for regulators and in particular more legislation (more regulations).
After all the regulation up to now turning out to be f**king useless, you want to increase the cost to the taxpayer and workload on the producers by bringing in more of the failed regulation that has been proved to be nothing more than window dressing?
We don't need regulation to arrest people who have endangered the lives of every man, woman and child in the public eating processed meat. We just need a department/government with some balls.
heres who gets hurt...
ryevally foods in carrickmacross part of the kerry group put their line workers on a three day week due to the drop in demand for ready made meals. managers they still need to come in everyday even though theres no one to manage. but managers know things so its best to keep them sweet
Quote from: trileacman on February 28, 2013, 06:14:53 PM
After all the regulation up to now turning out to be f**king useless, you want to increase the cost to the taxpayer and workload on the producers by bringing in more of the failed regulation that has been proved to be nothing more than window dressing?
We don't need regulation to arrest people who have endangered the lives of every man, woman and child in the public eating processed meat. We just need a department/government with some balls.
Yes we do.
Look at this man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Neary_(surgeon) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Neary_(surgeon))
IMHO he should be in jail. All we could do is strike him off due to a lack of legislation.
Quote from: trileacman on February 28, 2013, 06:14:53 PM
After all the regulation up to now turning out to be f**king useless, you want to increase the cost to the taxpayer and workload on the producers by bringing in more of the failed regulation that has been proved to be nothing more than window dressing?
We don't need regulation to arrest people who have endangered the lives of every man, woman and child in the public eating processed meat. We just need a department/government with some balls.
Shit regulation or no regulation is more expensive than decent regulation.
Look at BP today. The blowout of the Macondo rig cost them $15bn.
The comments about farmers in here is correct, the amount of paperwork connected to the buying and selling of sheep/cattle is unbelievable, god help you if one dies.........I see my brother spend hours tagging sheep, filling out registers, questionnaires for f**king Bord Bia, local producers group and so on.
The real scandal here is the collusion between the vets and processors.......anything goes, i have seen first hand in a slaughter house, EU stamps been added to caresses, when the animal was unable to stand up entering the abattoir (thus should not enter the food chain). while the vet on duty turned a blind eye, worn out cows been labelled as the finest prime beef and so on.
These vets getting hundreds of Euros a day to enforce the regs and choosing to turn a blind eye.
If anyone needs proof, look at the scandal of the TB testing scandal and the amount of money that this has cost the taxpayer over the last 40 years. (After 40 years of testing by vets, the rate of TB has not decreased by f**k all, yet the vets make millions every year from testing)............and round and round it goes.
The shorter the food cycle the less opportunity there is for this kind of thing - the increased regulations around abbatoirs weren't data-driven, they were bureaucracy-driven from Europe. This resulted in the shutting down of loads of small abbatoirs and the creation of a cartel of large abbatoirs & meat factories, which has benefitted nobody (certainly not the farmer or the consumer) except the owners.
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 01, 2013, 06:21:35 PM
The shorter the food cycle the less opportunity there is for this kind of thing - the increased regulations around abbatoirs weren't data-driven, they were bureaucracy-driven from Europe. This resulted in the shutting down of loads of small abbatoirs and the creation of a cartel of large abbatoirs & meat factories, which has benefitted nobody (certainly not the farmer or the consumer) except the owners.
very true. there is no real competition between meat processers on this island. they simply share the cattle according to their needs. they cant get any movement from the supermarkets so they screw every penny out of the farmer who due to even more red tape is trapped and has no other place to go with his cattle. hence the £140/head difference between here and sister factories of the same company in england or even more between here and scotland. the only way out of this mess is for dard to remove all restrictions on live shipments directly to abbotoirs in britain. modern cattle trucks are like airplanes with water,food and bedding factories anywhere in britain could be reached easily
Ireland and UK clear on the recent horsemeat tests, problems remain elsewhere. Ireland has basically got ahead of the curve on this one.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 16, 2013, 06:33:56 PM
Ireland and UK clear on the recent horsemeat tests, problems remain elsewhere. Ireland has basically got ahead of the curve on this one.
we are not out of the woods yet. there is a build up of the meat used in the ready made meal market they cant get rid of it. its being frozen and stored. its only a matter of time until those costs are pushed onto the farmer