Poll
Question:
Which Ulster venue should host the first Rules test in 2013?
Option 1: Athletic Grounds, Armagh
Option 2: Breffni Park, Cavan
Option 3: Celtic Park, Derry
Option 4: Pairc Esler, Newry
What are your thoughts on the next International Rules series coming to Ulster? According to yesterdays Irish News, four venues are being considered, with Breffni Park looking the favourite to host the first test in October.
Which venue would you like to see host it? And why?
Breffni...of those four it's the nearest to me!
I would have thought the Athletic Grounds or Newry be the best bet. Why on earth have it in Breffni Park?
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 31, 2013, 01:50:13 PM
I would have thought the Athletic Grounds or Newry be the best bet. Why on earth have it in Breffni Park?
Why not?
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 31, 2013, 01:50:13 PM
I would have thought the Athletic Grounds or Newry be the best bet. Why on earth have it in Breffni Park?
Apart from the fact that Breffni holds 32,000 and the Athletic grounds holds 16,500. Newry holds 20,000. Probaly wouldn't get 32,000 tickets sold, but Breffni would be the most likely.
Not that accessible would you not say? What's the point in having it in a 32,000 stadium when it will probably be half empty?
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 31, 2013, 02:02:17 PM
Not that accessible would you not say? What's the point in having it in a 32,000 stadium when it will probably be half empty?
Not that accessible as in for the rest of Ulster? Its the Irish team, people from other parts of Ireland might go and watch it, if somebody from Galway was going, it would be easier than going to Armagh. The stadium is never full, too big,they must have been expecting bumper crowds when it was developed.
It wouldn't just be for Ulster supporters. Breiffne would be a lot more accessible for Sligo, Mayo, Leitrim, Longford, etc.
Have it in Breffni Park please.
Sure going by this Board nobody in Ulster has any interest in the Intl Rules anyway... going by all the disparaging references to it here plus Micky Harte's rubbishing of it. :-*
Quote from: LeoMc on January 31, 2013, 02:11:33 PM
It wouldn't just be for Ulster supporters. Breiffne would be a lot more accessible for Sligo, Mayo, Leitrim, Longford, etc.
I realise that. In the same way that Armagh/Newry would be a lot more accessible for Armagh, Antrim, Tyrone, Derry, Down, Louth etc.
Just don't see much point in hosting it in Ulster if it's going to be i one of the least accessible parts of the province!
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 31, 2013, 02:35:55 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on January 31, 2013, 02:11:33 PM
It wouldn't just be for Ulster supporters. Breiffne would be a lot more accessible for Sligo, Mayo, Leitrim, Longford, etc.
I realise that. In the same way that Armagh/Newry would be a lot more accessible for Armagh, Antrim, Tyrone, Derry, Down, Louth etc.
Just don't see much point in hosting it in Ulster if it's going to be i one of the least accessible parts of the province!
How is it least accessible, Armagh to Cavan is an hour an 10 minutes, Armagh to Derry is 1 hour 35 minutes, Louth is an1 hour 20 minutes from Cavan. Cavan to Newy is 1-30minutes. That is still the same distance as Sligo and Roscommon both 1 hour -30 minutes give or take. Galway is 2 hours 10 minutes.
Is there latent partitionism afoot from some of our contributors? :P
Is Cavan not "real " Ulster?
Anyway 32,000 capacity against 16/18/20 is surely the clincher here.
While it can hold 32,000 i think that the H&S crowd have it limited to some thing like 24,000.
And yes Rossfan i think some think that we are not real Ulster down here.
Personally, I'd prefer it in Armagh or Newry. Better roads in and out than there is in Cavan.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 31, 2013, 02:58:09 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 31, 2013, 02:35:55 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on January 31, 2013, 02:11:33 PM
It wouldn't just be for Ulster supporters. Breiffne would be a lot more accessible for Sligo, Mayo, Leitrim, Longford, etc.
I realise that. In the same way that Armagh/Newry would be a lot more accessible for Armagh, Antrim, Tyrone, Derry, Down, Louth etc.
Just don't see much point in hosting it in Ulster if it's going to be i one of the least accessible parts of the province!
How is it least accessible, Armagh to Cavan is an hour an 10 minutes, Armagh to Derry is 1 hour 35 minutes, Louth is an1 hour 20 minutes from Cavan. Cavan to Newy is 1-30minutes. That is still the same distance as Sligo and Roscommon both 1 hour -30 minutes give or take. Galway is 2 hours 10 minutes.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 31, 2013, 03:03:32 PM
Is there latent partitionism afoot from some of our contributors? :P
Is Cavan not "real " Ulster?
Anyway 32,000 capacity against 16/18/20 is surely the clincher here.
Just because Cavan is closer to Connacht does not make it more accessible! Galway had it a few years ago, that was hardly accessible to the whole of the island.
Newry is on the main aerterial route between the two major population centres on this island. Armagh is 20 mins away from that.
People will be more inclined to go to a game if it's just an hour driving on motorway/dual carriageway. If it's some oul trek across poorer roads they might not be as keen to travel!
PS if we're discussing partitionist attitudes, I do believe rodney trotter got upset at a so-called 'Northern' ref in the Ulster intermediate late last year!
How far along is the Redevelopment of Casement Park? Would that also not be a good venue?
Breffni would be great. Make a weekend of it and so inaccessability would be less critical.
|Good roads to Cavan but I admit access to the park not great.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 31, 2013, 03:59:31 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 31, 2013, 02:58:09 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 31, 2013, 02:35:55 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on January 31, 2013, 02:11:33 PM
It wouldn't just be for Ulster supporters. Breiffne would be a lot more accessible for Sligo, Mayo, Leitrim, Longford, etc.
I realise that. In the same way that Armagh/Newry would be a lot more accessible for Armagh, Antrim, Tyrone, Derry, Down, Louth etc.
Just don't see much point in hosting it in Ulster if it's going to be i one of the least accessible parts of the province!
How is it least accessible, Armagh to Cavan is an hour an 10 minutes, Armagh to Derry is 1 hour 35 minutes, Louth is an1 hour 20 minutes from Cavan. Cavan to Newy is 1-30minutes. That is still the same distance as Sligo and Roscommon both 1 hour -30 minutes give or take. Galway is 2 hours 10 minutes.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 31, 2013, 03:03:32 PM
Is there latent partitionism afoot from some of our contributors? :P
Is Cavan not "real " Ulster?
Anyway 32,000 capacity against 16/18/20 is surely the clincher here.
Just because Cavan is closer to Connacht does not make it more accessible! Galway had it a few years ago, that was hardly accessible to the whole of the island.
Newry is on the main aerterial route between the two major population centres on this island. Armagh is 20 mins away from that.
People will be more inclined to go to a game if it's just an hour driving on motorway/dual carriageway. If it's some oul trek across poorer roads they might not be as keen to travel!
PS if we're discussing partitionist attitudes, I do believe rodney trotter got upset at a so-called 'Northern' ref in the Ulster intermediate late last year!
He had a shocker yeah ??? Westmeath, Meath Longford, border Cavan, Dublin is 1 hour 20 minutes on a motor way. You are making out that all roads are terrible around here
What about the UK City of Culture surly it has the pulling power to bring it to Derry City?
Casement Park when it is completed will be hosting Ulster Finals from now on, thats is 2 hours from Cavan. Nobody can be happy whatever way.
If there's no health and saftey issue, I really can't see why we couldn't get 32,000 to attend in Cavan.
First time in Ulster,
Make a bit of a break of it
Tie it in with other events around the time
North South Partnership working together
Really make an event to a big build up on the day with lots happening in and around Cavan.
Stop complaining abut roads.
If you attract people's attention they will go, rain, hail or shine
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 31, 2013, 04:00:36 PM
How far along is the Redevelopment of Casement Park? Would that also not be a good venue?
Breffni would be great. Make a weekend of it and so inaccessability would be less critical.
|Good roads to Cavan but I admit access to the park not great.
Unless a miracle happened then it won't be done for the International rules, it should look impressive when its done
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=work%20to%20commence%20on%20casement%20hoganstand&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&ved=0CEMQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hoganstand.com%2FArticleForm.aspx%3FID%3D182050&ei=9KAKUei5IISzhAf24ICIDw&usg=AFQjCNHnhuZsBNC75b8c08siyqCzN9bZYQ
QuoteUnless a miracle happened then it won't be done for the International rules, it should look impressive when its done
Casement won't be finished. There is a case for having the game in the likes of Breffni as subsequent games will be in Casement, but Armagh has more covered seats, although a smaller capacity overall.
Breffni applied for the Ulster final in 2013 but then pulled out i wonder were they offered this instead.
Obviously the GAA didn't pay any attention to our poll results!
The first test has been confirmed for KINGSPAN BREFFNI PARK!
I find it hard to believe that Breffni's capacity is 32,000 - only 3-4,000 less than Clones.
Regardless - International Rules is crap. Went to a game in Croke once - no thanks.
I think its a great decision and as a Cavan man I'll be proud to see our ground show cased for van international match. Feck the (Monaghan) begrudgers. I have no doubt there will be a full house. Breffni is the oldest ground in ulster and was leading the way in development of grounds in ulster. It never got the games it deserved. Glad to see that put right to some extent
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 23, 2013, 08:42:57 AM
I find it hard to believe that Breffni's capacity is 32,000 - only 3-4,000 less than Clones.
More like you don't want to believe that Breffi's capacity is 32,000.
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 23, 2013, 09:44:07 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 23, 2013, 08:42:57 AM
I find it hard to believe that Breffni's capacity is 32,000 - only 3-4,000 less than Clones.
More like you don't want to believe that Breffi's capacity is 32,000.
Why would I not
want to believe? What difference would that make?
When was the last time there was 20,000 punters in Breffni? Was it still 1/3 empty?
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 23, 2013, 10:02:06 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 23, 2013, 09:44:07 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 23, 2013, 08:42:57 AM
I find it hard to believe that Breffni's capacity is 32,000 - only 3-4,000 less than Clones.
More like you don't want to believe that Breffi's capacity is 32,000.
Why would I not want to believe? What difference would that make?
When was the last time there was 20,000 punters in Breffni? Was it still 1/3 empty?
Well you are clearly in shock that Breffni holds 32,000 . The last time it got 20,000 was around 04. Cavan football haven't had much to shout about in the last few years, some poor managers led to poor results which lead to peopple not turning up.
Hopefully you will get over it though, Monaghan - Clones got its fair share of big games.
Breffni is a nice ground. It would be even better if they extended the roof of the main stand to cover the entire structure
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 23, 2013, 11:29:04 AM
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Quote from: Maguire01 on February 23, 2013, 08:42:57 AM
I find it hard to believe that Breffni's capacity is 32,000 - only 3-4,000 less than Clones.
More like you don't want to believe that Breffi's capacity is 32,000.
Why would I not want to believe? What difference would that make?
When was the last time there was 20,000 punters in Breffni? Was it still 1/3 empty?
Well you are clearly in shock that Breffni holds 32,000 . The last time it got 20,000 was around 04. Cavan football haven't had much to shout about in the last few years, some poor managers led to poor results which lead to peopple not turning up.
Hopefully you will get over it though, Monaghan - Clones got its fair share of big games.
Get over what exactly? It doesn't bother me where the game is - I'm just sceptical of the capacity you quoted, especially given that I can't remember a game there with anything even approaching that capacity.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on February 23, 2013, 11:29:04 AM
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Quote from: Maguire01 on February 23, 2013, 08:42:57 AM
I find it hard to believe that Breffni's capacity is 32,000 - only 3-4,000 less than Clones.
More like you don't want to believe that Breffi's capacity is 32,000.
Why would I not want to believe? What difference would that make?
When was the last time there was 20,000 punters in Breffni? Was it still 1/3 empty?
Well you are clearly in shock that Breffni holds 32,000 . The last time it got 20,000 was around 04. Cavan football haven't had much to shout about in the last few years, some poor managers led to poor results which lead to peopple not turning up.
Hopefully you will get over it though, Monaghan - Clones got its fair share of big games.
Get over what exactly? It doesn't bother me where the game is - I'm just sceptical of the capacity you quoted, especially given that I can't remember a game there with anything even approaching that capacity.
Good man Maguire, as I already said Cavan supporters haven't been turning out in big Numbers to the few Championship games.
Donegal in the Championship2011 and 2012 Cavan came off the back of very poor league runs, the confidence was poor and the supporters gave Cavan no hope. Around 10,000 on both occasions , maybe less in 2011.
Fermnagh played against Cavanin Brefnni in 09, on a Saturday evening in the championship and that got a poor turn out.
You also have to look at the fact Maguire. Cavan doesn't hold ULSTER FINALS, like Monaghans finest Clones has been doing since jesus was born....
Its very hard to fill a ground when there is probaly only game big Championship game played there every year if that even.
More so when the team had been coming off the back of a poor League run.
Not every year Cavan have had games in Breffni, some away games in Belfast. Clones host a lot of Ulster games, semi finals , finals.
Congrats to Breffni and Cavan Co Board on getting this game.
Will be handy for me as well :D
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 23, 2013, 12:19:33 PM
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Quote from: rodney trotter on February 23, 2013, 11:29:04 AM
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Quote from: Maguire01 on February 23, 2013, 08:42:57 AM
I find it hard to believe that Breffni's capacity is 32,000 - only 3-4,000 less than Clones.
More like you don't want to believe that Breffi's capacity is 32,000.
Why would I not want to believe? What difference would that make?
When was the last time there was 20,000 punters in Breffni? Was it still 1/3 empty?
Well you are clearly in shock that Breffni holds 32,000 . The last time it got 20,000 was around 04. Cavan football haven't had much to shout about in the last few years, some poor managers led to poor results which lead to peopple not turning up.
Hopefully you will get over it though, Monaghan - Clones got its fair share of big games.
Get over what exactly? It doesn't bother me where the game is - I'm just sceptical of the capacity you quoted, especially given that I can't remember a game there with anything even approaching that capacity.
Good man Maguire, as I already said Cavan supporters haven't been turning out in big Numbers to the few Championship games.
Donegal in the Championship2011 and 2012 Cavan came off the back of very poor league runs, the confidence was poor and the supporters gave Cavan no hope. Around 10,000 on both occasions , maybe less in 2011.
Fermnagh played against Cavanin Brefnni in 09, on a Saturday evening in the championship and that got a poor turn out.
You also have to look at the fact Maguire. Cavan doesn't hold ULSTER FINALS, like Monaghans finest Clones has been doing since jesus was born....
You're missing my point. Clones is irrelevent to this, bar the fact that we know how many people it holds, because it has been full. I know Cavan doesn't hold Ulster Finals - that's not relevant either. My point is that I find it hard to believe that Breffni can hold 32,000 - and I'm not sure on what basis (apart from Wikipedia) such a capacity is quoted.
As an aside however, if this will be the first time that Breffni had been full in the last 10-15 years, it points again to the folly of the GAA in developing stadia with excessive capacity, at the expense of quality.
Kinspan Breffni Park when it was redevloped the official attendance was given 32,000. But h/s limit it to 24,000. But I think a big event like the International Rules it can be catered to host the full 32,OOO Capacity.
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 24, 2013, 10:58:25 AM
Kinspan Breffni Park when it was redevloped the official attendance was given 32,000. But h/s limit it to 24,000. But I think a big event like the International Rules it can be catered to host the full 32,OOO Capacity.
Just been awkward Rodney but on what basic do you think this?
Quote from: tommysmith on February 24, 2013, 12:26:01 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 24, 2013, 10:58:25 AM
Kinspan Breffni Park when it was redevloped the official attendance was given 32,000. But h/s limit it to 24,000. But I think a big event like the International Rules it can be catered to host the full 32,OOO Capacity.
Just been awkward Rodney but on what basic do you think this?
Well being an Irish team obviously, to see players like Bernard Brogan, Aidan Walsh, Michael Murphy playing in Breffni. It might not appeal for everyone, but I will be going, if I'm around.
No why do you think the capacity can be brought up to 32k?
I suppose when it can hold 32,000. They might look into with the Health and Safety, especially if there will be a demand for tickets. Need to promote it well., not until October so they have time to think about it. Ulster Championship first round game would never get 32,000. Unless Breffni was hosting a final.
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 24, 2013, 01:04:24 PM
I suppose when it can hold 32,000. They might look into with the Health and Safety, especially if there will be a demand for tickets. Need to promote it well., not until October so they have time to think about it.
What H&S issues are there to be addressed?
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 24, 2013, 01:04:24 PM
Ulster Championship first round game would never get 32,000. Unless Breffni was hosting a final.
So why, you'd have to ask, was it ever built with that capacity?
As I said the capacity is reduced to 24,000. Not that it has ever been full to that amount in a long time. I don't know what needs to looked at Maguire, I didn't design Breffni.
I also don't know why they developed it that big, maybe because of the Sponsors Kingspan , they have the naming rights of the stadium, maybe they wanted a big Stadium. Perhaps hoping Cavan would get a Ulster Final...
But you seem very intregiued Maguire, so perhaps email Breffni park and find out yourself.
Who ever wrote that press release for Croke Park does not know his history. The Aussies played Ulster at the Athletic Grounds back in the early 80s - I know because I was at it!
Quote from: zoyler on February 24, 2013, 05:54:21 PM
Who ever wrote that press release for Croke Park does not know his history. The Aussies played Ulster at the Athletic Grounds back in the early 80s - I know because I was at it!
So was I. Better than school!
I'm glad I didn't imagine that, coz I distinctly remember having a bit of time off school to watch compromise rules in the Athletic Grounds. Place was packed.
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Quote from: Maguire01 on February 23, 2013, 08:42:57 AM
I find it hard to believe that Breffni's capacity is 32,000 - only 3-4,000 less than Clones.
More like you don't want to believe that Breffi's capacity is 32,000.
Why would I not want to believe? What difference would that make?
When was the last time there was 20,000 punters in Breffni? Was it still 1/3 empty?
Well you are clearly in shock that Breffni holds 32,000 . The last time it got 20,000 was around 04. Cavan football haven't had much to shout about in the last few years, some poor managers led to poor results which lead to peopple not turning up.
Hopefully you will get over it though, Monaghan - Clones got its fair share of big games.
Get over what exactly? It doesn't bother me where the game is - I'm just sceptical of the capacity you quoted, especially given that I can't remember a game there with anything even approaching that capacity.
Good man Maguire, as I already said Cavan supporters haven't been turning out in big Numbers to the few Championship games.
Donegal in the Championship2011 and 2012 Cavan came off the back of very poor league runs, the confidence was poor and the supporters gave Cavan no hope. Around 10,000 on both occasions , maybe less in 2011.
Fermnagh played against Cavanin Brefnni in 09, on a Saturday evening in the championship and that got a poor turn out.
You also have to look at the fact Maguire. Cavan doesn't hold ULSTER FINALS, like Monaghans finest Clones has been doing since jesus was born....
You're missing my point. Clones is irrelevent to this, bar the fact that we know how many people it holds, because it has been full. I know Cavan doesn't hold Ulster Finals - that's not relevant either. My point is that I find it hard to believe that Breffni can hold 32,000 - and I'm not sure on what basis (apart from Wikipedia) such a capacity is quoted.
As an aside however, if this will be the first time that Breffni had been full in the last 10-15 years, it points again to the folly of the GAA in developing stadia with excessive capacity, at the expense of quality.
You're basing your argument on what exactly? The capacity is the capacity.
You must remember, all but one stand in Breffni Park is terracing, where as St Tiernachs Park apart from the Hill and the terrace behind the goal is all seating. Seating greatly reduces the capacity of any ground. All you have to do is look at effect of seating in Croke Park (82300 with terracing to 73500 all seated) or the Westfalenstadion in Germany (83000 with terracing and 65000 all seated).
Delighted to have an international match in my home county, even if I have, according to other users on this thread, an "awful trip" from Dundalk down to Breffni. ::)
Am I right or wrong in thinking that the two areas beside the stand are concrete seating? Or are they terracing?
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on February 25, 2013, 12:53:27 PM
Am I right or wrong in thinking that the two areas beside the stand are concrete seating? Or are they terracing?
Is this either side of the covered stand? If so, it is wood seating, similar to the seating at Clones.
Quote from: CC1 on February 25, 2013, 01:10:24 PMQuote from: upmonaghansayswe on February 25, 2013, 12:53:27 PMAm I right or wrong in thinking that the two areas beside the stand are concrete seating? Or are they terracing?
Is this either side of the covered stand? If so, it is wood seating, similar to the seating at Clones.
Yep stand side. Oh right, thought I saw people standing up on them 2 weeks ago which made me think it was concrete seating.
QuoteYou're missing my point. Clones is irrelevent to this, bar the fact that we know how many people it holds, because it has been full. I know Cavan doesn't hold Ulster Finals - that's not relevant either[/b]. My point is that I find it hard to believe that Breffni can hold 32,000.
Why do you doubt the 32,000 figure? Are you Thomas? Even visually Breffni is similar in size to Casement, which has had crowds in the 30,000 range.
(http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/ireland/cavan_breffni1.jpg)
(http://www.stadiumsireland.com/Images/casement%20park.jpg)
So, now that the International Rules is coming to town, what has Cavan got to offer? Or should supporters not stay, but get the hell out of there as soon as the match is over?
You're missing my point. Clones is irrelevent to this, bar the fact that we know how many people it holds, because it has been full. I know Cavan doesn't hold Ulster Finals - that's not relevant either[/b]. My point is that I find it hard to believe that Breffni can hold 32,000
Nah, Maguire , its you who is missing the point. Of course People know what the Colosseum of Clones holds. Since its has been Hosting Ulster Semi Finals Finals every year for how long ... And my point wasn't irrelevant at all., they redevloped Breffni Park in the hope of someday getting a big game like a Ulster Semi Final or Final...
But that never happened.
And of course Clones looks brillant, how could it not when the Ulster Council gave a 30 million grant for a upgrade in 2006.
No use , when people have to walk miles after parking in a field to enter Tiernach's Park.
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 25, 2013, 09:28:06 PM
No use , when people have to walk miles after parking in a field to enter Tiernach's Park.
That's where park n ride shuttles should come in.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on February 25, 2013, 09:28:06 PM
No use , when people have to walk miles after parking in a field to enter Tiernach's Park.
That's where park n ride shuttles should come in.
They used to have them back in the day before the old road from Fivemiletown was opened.
Lads in pick-ups would run shuttle you in the 2 miles in the back of a pick-up.
Clones - where every miserable hoor with a field or garden is charging you a fiver minimum to park your car in their bog from where you might never retrieve it.
With regards to the over capacity of Breffni. I would guess that since the large banks were there from the beginning, all around the pitch, it was probably as easy to make it a 30k capacity as it was to make it 20k so you might as well future proof. There is plenty of roadside free parking around the venue too and as Cavan showed during the Fleadh, the town knows how to cater for large crowds. I'll be there for this one anyway and I reckon it will be a full house.
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 25, 2013, 09:28:06 PM
You're missing my point. Clones is irrelevent to this, bar the fact that we know how many people it holds, because it has been full. I know Cavan doesn't hold Ulster Finals - that's not relevant either[/b]. My point is that I find it hard to believe that Breffni can hold 32,000
Nah, Maguire , its you who is missing the point. Of course People know what the Colosseum of Clones holds. Since its has been Hosting Ulster Semi Finals Finals every year for how long ... And my point wasn't irrelevant at all., they redevloped Breffni Park in the hope of someday getting a big game like a Ulster Semi Final or Final...
But that never happened.
And of course Clones looks brillant, how could it not when the Ulster Council gave a 30 million grant for a upgrade in 2006.
No use , when people have to walk miles after parking in a field to enter Tiernach's Park.
maths must not be your Strong point clones never got a grant of 30 million . The ulster council spent 4 million (approx) in 1994 the first time they had ever put any money into it and bar paying 1/3 of the cost of laying a new pitch in circa 2008 haven't put any money into it since. That said well done to breffni and i look forward to going to the match.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on February 25, 2013, 09:28:06 PM
You're missing my point. Clones is irrelevent to this, bar the fact that we know how many people it holds, because it has been full. I know Cavan doesn't hold Ulster Finals - that's not relevant either[/b]. My point is that I find it hard to believe that Breffni can hold 32,000
Nah, Maguire , its you who is missing the point. Of course People know what the Colosseum of Clones holds. Since its has been Hosting Ulster Semi Finals Finals every year for how long ... And my point wasn't irrelevant at all., they redevloped Breffni Park in the hope of someday getting a big game like a Ulster Semi Final or Final...
But that never happened.
And of course Clones looks brillant, how could it not when the Ulster Council gave a 30 million grant for a upgrade in 2006.
No use , when people have to walk miles after parking in a field to enter Tiernach's Park.
maths must not be your Strong point clones never got a grant of 30 million . The ulster council spent 4 million (approx) in 1994 the first time they had ever put any money into it and bar paying 1/3 of the cost of laying a new pitch in circa 2008 haven't put any money into it since. That said well done to breffni and i look forward to going to the match.
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Yeah the 30 milion figure was tongue in cheeck , I know that didn't happen. Its Casement Park which is getting the upgradge.
The AFL has announced today that the International Rules side to take on Ireland this season will be made up of Indigenous players and will be known as the Indigenous All-Stars.
Former Sydney Swans Star Michael O'Loughlin will coach the side.
Just when you think it couldn't be any more of a farce.
Breffini was pretty packed for Down v Donegal, attendance of around 22K. 32K is way off the mark.
Quote from: southdown on July 03, 2013, 10:12:24 AM
Breffini was pretty packed for Down v Donegal, attendance of around 22K. 32K is way off the mark.
Did the 22K include children who get in free to Ulster games?
There was room for another few thousand in any case.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 03, 2013, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: southdown on July 03, 2013, 10:12:24 AM
Breffini was pretty packed for Down v Donegal, attendance of around 22K. 32K is way off the mark.
Did the 22K include children who get in free to Ulster games?
There was room for another few thousand in any case.
There was, I think 25 was the total on the day. There was still plenty of spaces behind the goals and lower sides of the terraces.
32 is the full capacity.
Quote from: southdown on July 03, 2013, 10:12:24 AM
Breffini was pretty packed for Down v Donegal, attendance of around 22K. 32K is way off the mark.
Yeah, I meant to ask that. Don't see how any more than 3-4k more could have fitted into Breffni that day. What is the official capacity? 32?
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 03, 2013, 10:28:53 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 03, 2013, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: southdown on July 03, 2013, 10:12:24 AM
Breffini was pretty packed for Down v Donegal, attendance of around 22K. 32K is way off the mark.
Did the 22K include children who get in free to Ulster games?
There was room for another few thousand in any case.
There was, I think 25 was the total on the day. There was still plenty of spaces behind the goals and lower sides of the terraces.
32 is the full capacity.
There certainly wasn't plenty of space. The TV platform took up a bit of space but I fail to see how 32k could have safely fitted into the ground.
Will it be a sell-out?
I'll be there anyway :)
Breffni is the best ground in Ulster, albeit with a very small stand, but it is a like a natural amphitheatre, with good height all around the ground so everyone is guaranteed a good view. Will be great to see a full house there.
Quote from: RMDrive on July 03, 2013, 11:02:36 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 03, 2013, 10:28:53 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 03, 2013, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: southdown on July 03, 2013, 10:12:24 AM
Breffini was pretty packed for Down v Donegal, attendance of around 22K. 32K is way off the mark.
Did the 22K include children who get in free to Ulster games?
There was room for another few thousand in any case.
There was, I think 25 was the total on the day. There was still plenty of spaces behind the goals and lower sides of the terraces.
32 is the full capacity.
There certainly wasn't plenty of space. The TV platform took up a bit of space but I fail to see how 32k could have safely fitted into the ground.
There was enough space for a few extra thousand. People get the impression a ground is full when there is over 20 k in it. They didn't design it at 32,000 for the craic,
I believe the capacity was downgraded to 29,000 due to safety audits.
Quote from: Itchy on July 03, 2013, 06:59:06 PM
I believe the capacity was downgraded to 29,000 due to safety audits.
25 was the total at the game (including children), so 4 thousand extra could have been fitted in. The Co board Chairman hopes to sell out the full Capacity of 32,000 for the International Rules.
The problem in Cavan is getting in an out of the ground as much as anything else, and it doesn't have great road links, other than towards Dublin.
I was the Down v Donegal game and never saw worse traffic congestion at any game I was at before not even Clones could compare to it. We had a game at 2-00 and I was getting to the roundabout at the start of the way in at 6-15. We waited for a while after the game and then joined the traffic queue . It was bumper to bumper until we got to a shopping complex where 3 guards were letting any car that wanted to leave the car park leave then when we eventually got to the roundabout there was 2 Gardaí cars and 2 bikes sitting talking. I have always went to the compromise rules but I def wont be heading to Cavan to watch it
The Aussie coach will be coming the back roads to avoid the chaos.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 03, 2013, 07:22:45 PM
The problem in Cavan is getting in an out of the ground as much as anything else, and it doesn't have great road links, other than towards Dublin.
It is linked to the n4 on the Ballinagh road, which is the main road Granard - Athlone road. People from Kildare, Offaly,and further South would use that commute coming to Cavan.
There was a lot of problems at the Donegal game in regards parking, they should be aware of that in advance for the International rules
Quote from: NP 76 on July 03, 2013, 11:09:19 PM
I was the Down v Donegal game and never saw worse traffic congestion at any game I was at before not even Clones could compare to it. We had a game at 2-00 and I was getting to the roundabout at the start of the way in at 6-15. We waited for a while after the game and then joined the traffic queue . It was bumper to bumper until we got to a shopping complex where 3 guards were letting any car that wanted to leave the car park leave then when we eventually got to the roundabout there was 2 Gardaí cars and 2 bikes sitting talking. I have always went to the compromise rules but I def wont be heading to Cavan to watch it
Sounds like the Rules game will be a nightmare, traffic-wise. Until you make a weekend of it. A weekend in Cavan though, that's sounds even more of a nightmare.
Quote from: BennyCake on July 04, 2013, 12:32:39 AM
Quote from: NP 76 on July 03, 2013, 11:09:19 PM
I was the Down v Donegal game and never saw worse traffic congestion at any game I was at before not even Clones could compare to it. We had a game at 2-00 and I was getting to the roundabout at the start of the way in at 6-15. We waited for a while after the game and then joined the traffic queue . It was bumper to bumper until we got to a shopping complex where 3 guards were letting any car that wanted to leave the car park leave then when we eventually got to the roundabout there was 2 Gardaí cars and 2 bikes sitting talking. I have always went to the compromise rules but I def wont be heading to Cavan to watch it
Sounds like the Rules game will be a nightmare, traffic-wise. Until you make a weekend of it. A weekend in Cavan though, that's sounds even more of a nightmare.
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