Is it me or does anyone else think that certain policies by business and state bodies are a joke.
For example, I got a phone call this week about a small pension I receive.
Caller. Hello, I am looking to speak with ....(me)
Me. Yes, this is me, how can I help you?
Caller. I am calling to let you know that your pension will be stopped next week. You never sent back the form we sent you.
Me. What form?
Caller. We need you to send bsck the form that states you are alive.
Me. Well the last time I looked down at my shoes I was standing up in them and since you are talking to me will that not do.......... and on it went but the final straw was when I was told "even if you were standing in front of me I will not pay you without the form"
Yesterday. New keyboard for laptop required, eventually in a big industrial estate with half its doors closed I find the
place and I ask " I need a keyboard for a Toshiba Sattelite Pro L660, can you give me one"
Answer " Yes, no problem but you need to go back to your home or office and email me an official order"
I didnt ask what keyboard I should use to type the order.
My Dad (retired teacher aged 79) rang vhi looking for a form. Girl asked security questions, name..no problem
DOB...no problem, phone number....no problem, address? Dublin Road, Mullingar, ...................anymore? no that's my address, that's not correct there is more to that address, (now my dads knows whats she is looking for but cant believe that's what she is insisting on) he says that's the address, no it isn't she said and I cant proceed until you tell me, is it a county you are looking for? Yes it is, she says, he replies most school children would know what county Mullingar is in. She says you have to say it or I won't proceed! He said he wouldn't and rang back later on!
A few years ago Bud had a problem with his DELL laptop.
Listen to Bud here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvnnnC3q7JM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvnnnC3q7JM)
At the risk of displaying a rare lack of knowledge on every day matters, but why is excessive bureaucracy referred to as "red tape?"
We live in the age where some banks actually refuse to take your cash or lodgements on certain days. Nothing is surprising.
Quote from: T Fearon on December 06, 2012, 12:37:56 PM
At the risk of displaying a rare lack of knowledge on every day matters, but why is excessive bureaucracy referred to as "red tape?"
It was a name given to a type of lace used over chastity belts, in the 1600s, to make them look nice.
If it was green tape, you'd know what it was.
Welcome back Muppet!
Where have you been son?
Quote from: T Fearon on December 06, 2012, 12:37:56 PM
At the risk of displaying a rare lack of knowledge on every day matters, but why is excessive bureaucracy referred to as "red tape?"
Red tape was originally used to bind important documents together
Quote from: Orior on December 06, 2012, 01:12:11 PM
Welcome back Muppet!
Where have you been son?
Receiving therapy after Mayo's run to the final.
Thanks Gabriel. Genuinely didnt know that.
Quote from: muppet on December 06, 2012, 02:22:40 PM
Quote from: Orior on December 06, 2012, 01:12:11 PM
Welcome back Muppet!
Where have you been son?
Receiving therapy after Mayo's run to the final.
Sorry for your troubles Elmo!
Quote from: Billys Boots on December 06, 2012, 05:28:41 PM
Quote from: muppet on December 06, 2012, 02:22:40 PM
Quote from: Orior on December 06, 2012, 01:12:11 PM
Welcome back Muppet!
Where have you been son?
Receiving therapy after Mayo's run to the final.
Sorry for your troubles Elmo!
you can check out anytime you like
but you can never leaveWhat time does Hardy's open?
Quote from: muppet on December 07, 2012, 12:03:59 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on December 06, 2012, 05:28:41 PM
Quote from: muppet on December 06, 2012, 02:22:40 PM
Quote from: Orior on December 06, 2012, 01:12:11 PM
Welcome back Muppet!
Where have you been son?
Receiving therapy after Mayo's run to the final.
Sorry for your troubles Elmo!
you can check out anytime you like
but you can never leave
What time does Hardy's open?
For you Elmo, anytime you like - am always happy to (pretend to) listen to the woes of the Mayo faithful.
A woman i work with just told me she was in the bank getting a £100 draft to send to a relation in England for a Christmas present. In the ban kthey asked her and it had to be filled out on the form - what is it for? She told them it's a bit late for them to be getting so tight on matters!
max weber had a good take on bureaucracy...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureaucracy
he saw it as how society is organised, but the downside being that it is used to control us. you want something, fill out that form and take it over to this department. except it's the wrong department, you need to go to this other department instead. this is the right department, but the wrong form, and you don't qualify, you need to go to this other department and fill out another form. they don't need guns to control us, just forms and various departments.
Quote from: gerrykeegan on December 06, 2012, 10:12:57 AM
My Dad (retired teacher aged 79) rang vhi looking for a form. Girl asked security questions, name..no problem
DOB...no problem, phone number....no problem, address? Dublin Road, Mullingar, ...................anymore? no that's my address, that's not correct there is more to that address, (now my dads knows whats she is looking for but cant believe that's what she is insisting on) he says that's the address, no it isn't she said and I cant proceed until you tell me, is it a county you are looking for? Yes it is, she says, he replies most school children would know what county Mullingar is in. She says you have to say it or I won't proceed! He said he wouldn't and rang back later on!
Thats incredibly immature from your dad IMO. Made more hassle for himself by having to ring back later an answering the same questions again.
She was only doing her job.
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 07, 2012, 03:19:08 PM
A woman i work with just told me she was in the bank getting a £100 draft to send to a relation in England for a Christmas present. In the ban kthey asked her and it had to be filled out on the form - what is it for? She told them it's a bit late for them to be getting so tight on matters!
(http://gfishoutofwater.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/english-do-you-speak-it-demotivational-poster.jpg)
Quote from: Christmas Lights on December 07, 2012, 08:12:28 PM
Quote from: gerrykeegan on December 06, 2012, 10:12:57 AM
My Dad (retired teacher aged 79) rang vhi looking for a form. Girl asked security questions, name..no problem
DOB...no problem, phone number....no problem, address? Dublin Road, Mullingar, ...................anymore? no that's my address, that's not correct there is more to that address, (now my dads knows whats she is looking for but cant believe that's what she is insisting on) he says that's the address, no it isn't she said and I cant proceed until you tell me, is it a county you are looking for? Yes it is, she says, he replies most school children would know what county Mullingar is in. She says you have to say it or I won't proceed! He said he wouldn't and rang back later on!
Thats incredibly immature from your dad IMO. Made more hassle for himself by having to ring back later an answering the same questions again.
She was only doing her job.
Ah go and have a sh1te with yourself, I found it very funny and deducted that Mr. Keegan senior must be a good character.
Quote from: spuds on December 07, 2012, 10:06:31 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on December 07, 2012, 08:12:28 PM
Quote from: gerrykeegan on December 06, 2012, 10:12:57 AM
My Dad (retired teacher aged 79) rang vhi looking for a form. Girl asked security questions, name..no problem
DOB...no problem, phone number....no problem, address? Dublin Road, Mullingar, ...................anymore? no that's my address, that's not correct there is more to that address, (now my dads knows whats she is looking for but cant believe that's what she is insisting on) he says that's the address, no it isn't she said and I cant proceed until you tell me, is it a county you are looking for? Yes it is, she says, he replies most school children would know what county Mullingar is in. She says you have to say it or I won't proceed! He said he wouldn't and rang back later on!
Thats incredibly immature from your dad IMO. Made more hassle for himself by having to ring back later an answering the same questions again.
She was only doing her job.
Ah go and have a sh1te with yourself, I found it very funny and deducted that Mr. Keegan senior must be a good character.
Eh? I'm just saying he made more work for himself by not answering standard security questions completely. :-\ Had he just said the county as requested, he would have saved himself a second call later that day. Just seems stubborn to me, like he was trying to gain some moral victory
Mr Keegan was completely right. The VHI girl is a complete idiot. Mr Keegan just had to confirm his address, which he did.
Hopefully the hanging up will cause the girl to sit back and think about whether she was correct about being so anal. Maybe she'll ask her supervisor, who would tell her not to be so stupid in future - the gentleman has given his street address and town, thus had proven his address - county and country not required!, now cop da fook on
Tell me this and tell me no more then ! I had a ten year lisence that just expired and when I went to fill in the form a while ago the lady at the desk said " you cant get it renewed without an eye test and a medical report" ( I had all levels on my lisence, trucks, artic's etc)
She then said " you can get your lisence if you exclude trucks"
So why would it be OK to drive down the motorway in a big landcruiser, as blind as a bat and with a bad pacemaker but not in a truck?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 06, 2012, 01:46:51 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on December 06, 2012, 12:37:56 PM
At the risk of displaying a rare lack of knowledge on every day matters, but why is excessive bureaucracy referred to as "red tape?"
Red tape was originally used to bind important documents together
Do you mean to tell me this is wrong?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27TwTHvlbYQ
Sorkin how could you?
Quote from: Christmas Lights on December 07, 2012, 11:21:21 PM
Quote from: spuds on December 07, 2012, 10:06:31 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on December 07, 2012, 08:12:28 PM
Quote from: gerrykeegan on December 06, 2012, 10:12:57 AM
My Dad (retired teacher aged 79) rang vhi looking for a form. Girl asked security questions, name..no problem
DOB...no problem, phone number....no problem, address? Dublin Road, Mullingar, ...................anymore? no that's my address, that's not correct there is more to that address, (now my dads knows whats she is looking for but cant believe that's what she is insisting on) he says that's the address, no it isn't she said and I cant proceed until you tell me, is it a county you are looking for? Yes it is, she says, he replies most school children would know what county Mullingar is in. She says you have to say it or I won't proceed! He said he wouldn't and rang back later on!
Thats incredibly immature from your dad IMO. Made more hassle for himself by having to ring back later an answering the same questions again.
She was only doing her job.
Ah go and have a sh1te with yourself, I found it very funny and deducted that Mr. Keegan senior must be a good character.
Eh? I'm just saying he made more work for himself by not answering standard security questions completely. :-\ Had he just said the county as requested, he would have saved himself a second call later that day. Just seems stubborn to me, like he was trying to gain some moral victory
Did you read or understand the story?
-Retired school teacher, 79 years old (unlikeky to be immature!)
-looking for a form (not looking for anything that is not downloadable from VHI's own website)
-gives name, date of birth, phone number and road and town on his address (standard security questions)
- gets clown who trys to make him say a county which everyone in the country knows where the town is
- refuses to deal with such a clown who tries to bully him into saying a word because she thinks she can
- hangs up rings back later on, gets his form (I left out wasn't asked which County Mullingar was in the second time)