Some crazy scenes up in Belfast last night. Some of the things that went on must have been ridiculous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDKN5llnU4w&feature=youtu.be
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/12/03/uk-irish-politics-flag-idUKBRE8B21I020121203
It's nat funny so it's nat.
Not a water cannon or plastic bullet in sight, I wonder why? Are they only for Ardoyne?
Quote from: JUst retired on December 04, 2012, 08:11:17 AM
Not a water cannon or plastic bullet in sight, I wonder why? Are they only for Ardoyne?
Bit cold for the water cannons. Can the water be heated?
You would and could be forgiven for thinking that last night's scenes round the city hall was something from the early 80s save for the fact that there wouldn't have been many republicans inside city hall in the eatly 80s.
Gerry Kelly will need to be careful - he's come out very strong against the police.
Sinn Fein Policing Board member Gerry Kelly said the police operation had been completely inadequate.
"I have to say, and I don't use these words unless I really mean them, it was a disgraceful police operation, or lack of a police operation," he said.
"If that had been 1,000 or more republicans out there they would not have left it that they were able to come into the back of city hall."
However, Chief Superintendent Alan McCrum said: "We put in place last night a considered police operation, a substantial police operation - there were dozens, in fact scores of police officers deployed there."
"I had a choice last night, I could have put a ring of steel around the city hall, I could have put 400 or 500 officers there, but three weeks out from Christmas is that the image we want to put out of Belfast."There was nothing to suggest before last night that there was going to be any significant violence."
'Orchestration'
He added: "Put the responsibility on the people who actually committed the criminality.
"Clearly there was a level of orchestration - some people brought bolt cutters, others put on masks immediately after the vote came through."
Justice Minister David Ford said some unionist politicians had to share some of the blame for the disturbances.
"The violence which took place at the city hall and round St Matthew's Church (in east Belfast) was the responsibility of two groups of people," he said.
"The first is those who went to the city hall spoiling for a fight, who attacked police officers and council staff.
The union flag has been taken down from city hall "But there is a second group which bears responsibility. DUP and UUP politicians fomented this protest, with both leaflets and the use of social media.
"They called people on to the streets. They must have known, from experience as recent as this summer, that violence was almost inevitable."
The council had to adjourn for half an hour when loyalists stormed Belfast City Hall's courtyard and came close to breaking into the building.
The DUP has now asked that the union flag be allowed to be flown every day from the cenotaph in the grounds of the building.
The proposal is being considered and requires the Alliance party to support it.
Bottles and golf balls
Of the police officers who were injured in Monday night's violence, two policewomen were treated in hospital with injuries that were not believed to be life threatening.
Some of the protesters who had gathered outside the city hall used metal barriers, bottles and golf balls to attack the police, who maintained a heavy presence in the area.
Windows were also smashed on a number of cars parked within the courtyard, including a vehicle belonging to a DUP councillor.
A police spokesperson said they had deployed additional resources to deal with public disorder in both central and east Belfast.
There was an attempt to hijack a bus on the Albertbridge Road, and there were reports that St Matthew's Catholic Church on the lower Newtownards Road came under attack.
Quote from: EC Unique on December 04, 2012, 09:29:57 AM
Quote from: JUst retired on December 04, 2012, 08:11:17 AM
Not a water cannon or plastic bullet in sight, I wonder why? Are they only for Ardoyne?
Bit cold for the water cannons. Can the water be heated?
No, but a bit of piss mixed in would drop the freezing point and they'd be good to go.
Quote from: johnneycool on December 04, 2012, 10:19:27 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on December 04, 2012, 09:29:57 AM
Quote from: JUst retired on December 04, 2012, 08:11:17 AM
Not a water cannon or plastic bullet in sight, I wonder why? Are they only for Ardoyne?
Bit cold for the water cannons. Can the water be heated?
No, but a bit of piss mixed in would drop the freezing point and they'd be good to go.
Have always said that. The water cannon should be filled with permanent blue dye and horse p!$$.
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However, Chief Superintendent Alan McCrum said: "We put in place last night a considered police operation, a substantial police operation - there were dozens, in fact scores of police officers deployed there."
Around a thousand unionist protesters behaving like animals and yet this "substantial" police operation started off as SIX cops, in normal uniform, some of whom were normal community policing officers. F***ing joke!
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 04, 2012, 12:12:15 PM
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However, Chief Superintendent Alan McCrum said: "We put in place last night a considered police operation, a substantial police operation - there were dozens, in fact scores of police officers deployed there."
Around a thousand unionist protesters behaving like animals and yet this "substantial" police operation started off as SIX cops, in normal uniform, some of whom were normal community policing officers. F***ing joke!
any arrests yet?
do we need three threads on this f**king shite?
Quote from: trileacman on December 04, 2012, 01:33:24 PM
do we need three threads on this f**king shite?
As far as I could see from the news it wasn't even a riot!! I've seen more of a riot at Next when it opens after Xmas FFS
Quote from: charlieTully on December 04, 2012, 12:37:06 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 04, 2012, 12:12:15 PM
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However, Chief Superintendent Alan McCrum said: "We put in place last night a considered police operation, a substantial police operation - there were dozens, in fact scores of police officers deployed there."
Around a thousand unionist protesters behaving like animals and yet this "substantial" police operation started off as SIX cops, in normal uniform, some of whom were normal community policing officers. F***ing joke!
any arrests yet?
Three :o
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 04, 2012, 02:03:42 PM
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Poor bastard can't use grammar/spelling correctly. Queen's English and all that. :P
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 04, 2012, 02:03:42 PM
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In this case I find it funny, but Hardy will have a fit!!
No Surreennndeeerrahhhh :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-eSmCZA9xg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-eSmCZA9xg)
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 04, 2012, 02:03:42 PM
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Hand's of are grammer !!!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2012, 01:55:17 PM
Quote from: trileacman on December 04, 2012, 01:33:24 PM
do we need three threads on this f**king shite?
As far as I could see from the news it wasn't even a riot!! I've seen more of a riot at Next when it opens after Xmas FFS
That's what I thought!! FFS they did f**k all compared what used to happen 10 or 15 years ago.
I seen a lad on FB there (protestant) saying that only 20% of RC's are in favour of a United Ireland - would this be true in the occupied 6?
I also see a lot of worrying posts from RC's talking about forgetting about the past and our N.I..... I don't remember anyone calling the place N.I growing up....not sure what people think these days, maybe my politics are more republican because i'm away from home...
Why do we elect these idiots if all they are concerned about is what rag flys over City hall. What about employment, Health etc are these not more important tha a rag be it red white and Blue or Green white and Orange. might be better off going back to direct rule if this is what these clowns spend their night debating.
Quote from: The Iceman on December 04, 2012, 03:58:03 PM
I seen a lad on FB there (protestant) saying that only 20% of RC's are in favour of a United Ireland - would this be true in the occupied 6?
I also see a lot of worrying posts from RC's talking about forgetting about the past and our N.I..... I don't remember anyone calling the place N.I growing up....not sure what people think these days, maybe my politics are more republican because i'm away from home...
Awful amount of wishful thinking (ie lies) from unionists about nationalist thinking, none of which has any basis in fact (ie voting figures). Resorting to lies is a sure sign of desperation by Robbo and co
Quote from: snoopdog on December 04, 2012, 04:02:10 PM
Why do we elect these idiots if all they are concerned about is what rag flys over City hall. What about employment, Health etc are these not more important tha a rag be it red white and Blue or Green white and Orange. might be better off going back to direct rule if this is what these clowns spend their night debating.
I didn't know Belfast City Council were responsible for Employment, Health etc. This is/was a Belfast City Council issue, and a very symbolic one at that.
Quote from: red hander on December 04, 2012, 05:07:41 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on December 04, 2012, 03:58:03 PM
I seen a lad on FB there (protestant) saying that only 20% of RC's are in favour of a United Ireland - would this be true in the occupied 6?
I also see a lot of worrying posts from RC's talking about forgetting about the past and our N.I..... I don't remember anyone calling the place N.I growing up....not sure what people think these days, maybe my politics are more republican because i'm away from home...
Awful amount of wishful thinking (ie lies) from unionists about nationalist thinking, none of which has any basis in fact (ie voting figures). Resorting to lies is a sure sign of desperation by Robbo and co
They may have a point though. Among the younger Catholic population there is a lot of apathy towards a United Ireland. Yeah we would be standing under the tricolour but would we really be better off? Certainly when Catholics were oppressed in the 60's 70's and 80's it looked as if we'd be better off in a United Ireland but I don't think we would be anymore. Rory McIlroy would be the prime example of this apathy. He's Irish when it suits and British when it suits and doesn't care for all the labels people want to put on him.
Put that along with the fact the Free State couldn't afford to accommodate us and I don't see a United Ireland happening anytime soon!
I'm not sure of the numbers of Catholics who are either pro-union or pro-United Ireland but I know there are many who are pro-status quo rather than pro-union, if you see what I mean. They are still a long way from voting Unionist in any great numbers but younger people (in my experience) now find it easier to separate identity and politics than previous generations e.g. they are comfotable seeing themselves as Irish but living in N Ireland.
So long as SF are the majority Nat. party then I'm happy to accept that the majority of Nationalists are open to the idea of a UI. I'd agree with screenexile re apathy which IMO is on the increase, not just among young people but also middle-aged people. (Our Rory was a poor example of it though!) People are happy with the relative stability here, other than one or two hotspots they can get on with their lives hassle free. That said I think a UI will be pushed up the agenda in coming years, the union will be decided on in 2014 which could have huge repercussions for NI's status.
Quote from: AQMP on December 04, 2012, 05:39:40 PM
I'm not sure of the numbers of Catholics who are either pro-union or pro-United Ireland but I know there are many who are pro-status quo rather than pro-union, if you see what I mean. They are still a long way from voting Unionist in any great numbers but younger people (in my experience) now find it easier to separate identity and politics than previous generations e.g. they are comfotable seeing themselves as Irish but living in N Ireland.
For Pro-status quo see 'Pro-self interest', which no matter how anyone tries to dice it is the bottom line for opinion on the issue.
Anyone who supports the GFA is consequently content to live in UK for the present, as there is not majority to change things. You can be "content" and vote for a nationalist party to bring about a change in this situation.
At present there is a lot of false economics about, a lot of self interest and no need to rush things.
The main problem is that the nationalist parties are currently pure useless. But in a decade, when the present economic conditions are a memory and with an ever increasing numbers of Taigs, if the SDLP got a figure of the calibre of Alex Salmond then it could all change and quite quickly.
The biggest challenge for nationalism is to create an Ireland that is worth voting for, one where everyone on this Island can feel at home. Getting absorbed into the German protectorate to the south is not particularly appealing at present.
The biggest challenge for unionism is to create a state here where everyone feels comfortable. On last nights evidence they have not realised this.
Quote from: Ulick on December 04, 2012, 03:10:52 PM
No Surreennndeeerrahhhh :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-eSmCZA9xg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-eSmCZA9xg)
There was a touch of the banshee of that one at about 2mins.
QuoteGetting absorbed into the German protectorate to the south is not particularly appealing at present.
This is precisely the type of nonsense around.
Quote from: snoopdog on December 04, 2012, 04:02:10 PM
Why do we elect these idiots if all they are concerned about is what rag flys over City hall. What about employment, Health etc are these not more important tha a rag be it red white and Blue or Green white and Orange. might be better off going back to direct rule if this is what these clowns spend their night debating.
Hang on a minute. It's not like they were only elected yesterday. Republicans have been in the majority for... it must be about 10 years or so. They've even had a mayor or two.
What do you think they've been doing all that time? Making tea for the unionists?
Quote from: Itchy on December 04, 2012, 07:38:37 PM
Quote from: Ulick on December 04, 2012, 03:10:52 PM
No Surreennndeeerrahhhh :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-eSmCZA9xg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-eSmCZA9xg)
There was a touch of the banshee of that one at about 2mins.
Proof that care in the community has been a complete disaster
Christmas Market for me next week ;D
On a side note Robinson looked a bit annoyed about what happened, tarnished the good people's reputation it seems.
It is only a flag but what people have got to realize is that NI has two major communities and the Union Jack was symbolic of just one. Best way for all would be to have both flags up or none at all.
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on December 04, 2012, 10:24:10 PM
Christmas Market for me next week ;D
On a side note Robinson looked a bit annoyed about what happened, tarnished the good people's reputation it seems.
It is only a flag but what people have got to realize is that NI has two major communities and the Union Jack was symbolic of just one. Best way for all would be to have both flags up or none at all.
David McNarry on tv there, it's likes someone has died FFS!!
http://cowped.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/a-fear-of-change.html
Where's EG when you need him? I has looking forward to hearing his views on this motion to bring flag-flying practices into line with the rest of the UK.
Quote from: The Iceman on December 04, 2012, 03:58:03 PM
I seen a lad on FB there (protestant) saying that only 20% of RC's are in favour of a United Ireland - would this be true in the occupied 6?
I also see a lot of worrying posts from RC's talking about forgetting about the past and our N.I..... I don't remember anyone calling the place N.I growing up....not sure what people think these days, maybe my politics are more republican because i'm away from home...
It's true, my nephews and nieces are pretty NI, which definitely wouldn't have been the case when I was younger. If the Unionists hadn't been so discriminatory and busy building a 'Protestant state for a Protestant people' they'd have made plenty of us into NI people long ago!
Anyway back to the topic on hand, the dying throes of the once powerful beast are fairly amusing to watch!
Quote from: armaghniac on December 04, 2012, 07:41:45 PM
QuoteGetting absorbed into the German protectorate to the south is not particularly appealing at present.
This is precisely the type of nonsense around.
A bit tongue in cheek perhaps but my substantive point stands. The biggest challenge for nationalism is to create an Ireland that everyone can feel at home in. A lot of people are more concerned with how much tax they pay rather than who they pay it to (or who gives the biggest handouts).
5-10 years of Austerity in the South to keep the German pension funds happy and get the economy back on track while Westminister gradually cuts the funding here to fund their ongoing wars and a United Ireland will begin to seem more appealing.
Quote from: LeoMc on December 05, 2012, 08:47:53 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 04, 2012, 07:41:45 PM
QuoteGetting absorbed into the German protectorate to the south is not particularly appealing at present.
This is precisely the type of nonsense around.
A bit tongue in cheek perhaps but my substantive point stands. The biggest challenge for nationalism is to create an Ireland that everyone can feel at home in. A lot of people are more concerned with how much tax they pay rather than who they pay it to (or who gives the biggest handouts).
5-10 years of Austerity in the South to keep the German pension funds happy and get the economy back on track while Westminister gradually cuts the funding here to fund their ongoing wars and a United Ireland will begin to seem more appealing.
Well then they shouldn't be calling themselves Nationalists or Republicans.
Quote from: Tubberman on December 05, 2012, 08:55:24 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on December 05, 2012, 08:47:53 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 04, 2012, 07:41:45 PM
QuoteGetting absorbed into the German protectorate to the south is not particularly appealing at present.
This is precisely the type of nonsense around.
A bit tongue in cheek perhaps but my substantive point stands. The biggest challenge for nationalism is to create an Ireland that everyone can feel at home in. A lot of people are more concerned with how much tax they pay rather than who they pay it to (or who gives the biggest handouts).
5-10 years of Austerity in the South to keep the German pension funds happy and get the economy back on track while Westminister gradually cuts the funding here to fund their ongoing wars and a United Ireland will begin to seem more appealing.
Well then they shouldn't be calling themselves Nationalists or Republicans.
What label do you propose for Irish people who are not Unionists?
Quote from: LeoMc on December 05, 2012, 08:57:46 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on December 05, 2012, 08:55:24 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on December 05, 2012, 08:47:53 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 04, 2012, 07:41:45 PM
QuoteGetting absorbed into the German protectorate to the south is not particularly appealing at present.
This is precisely the type of nonsense around.
A bit tongue in cheek perhaps but my substantive point stands. The biggest challenge for nationalism is to create an Ireland that everyone can feel at home in. A lot of people are more concerned with how much tax they pay rather than who they pay it to (or who gives the biggest handouts).
5-10 years of Austerity in the South to keep the German pension funds happy and get the economy back on track while Westminister gradually cuts the funding here to fund their ongoing wars and a United Ireland will begin to seem more appealing.
Well then they shouldn't be calling themselves Nationalists or Republicans.
What label do you propose for Irish people who are not Unionists?
Northern Irish without any further tag?
Quote from: tyssam5 on December 05, 2012, 02:33:26 AM
Quote from: The Iceman on December 04, 2012, 03:58:03 PM
I seen a lad on FB there (protestant) saying that only 20% of RC's are in favour of a United Ireland - would this be true in the occupied 6?
I also see a lot of worrying posts from RC's talking about forgetting about the past and our N.I..... I don't remember anyone calling the place N.I growing up....not sure what people think these days, maybe my politics are more republican because i'm away from home...
It's true, my nephews and nieces are pretty NI, which definitely wouldn't have been the case when I was younger. If the Unionists hadn't been so discriminatory and busy building a 'Protestant state for a Protestant people' they'd have made plenty of us into NI people long ago!
this makes no sense, grammatically or otherwise.
Quote from: AQMP on December 04, 2012, 05:39:40 PM
I'm not sure of the numbers of Catholics who are either pro-union or pro-United Ireland but I know there are many who are pro-status quo rather than pro-union, if you see what I mean. They are still a long way from voting Unionist in any great numbers but younger people (in my experience) now find it easier to separate identity and politics than previous generations e.g. they are comfotable seeing themselves as Irish but living in N Ireland.
I would agree with this, my children see themselves very much as Irish, have no afinity for the Queen, Union Flag etc... But ahve no problem living in NI as it is and see jobs rather than Unity or politics as a priority. Note they consider themselves Irish, not Northern Irish but can seperate this identity from the state. Their many Protestant friends would consider themselves Northren Irish first and for most, some but not all would then add British.
Regarding the flags issue. Unionists have accepted by their support for the GFA that the state has divided nationalities, by extension therefore flags and emblems of both need to be given respect. However when it comes down to it, what ever about Peter Robinson's fine words parity of citizenship or esteem can only recognise the "majority communities" British Identity.
I think in the round there are a sizeable number of people who really don't care where tax is paid or to whom, just how much. Many Natioanlists are happy to stand under the Tricolour at GAA events etc but are equally has happy to serve the crown when it arises and stand under the union flag.
All kicking off in Carrick.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20619259
Alliance office gutted by arson attack.
Usual story:
1. Unionist politicians make the snowballs
2. Loyalist thugs throw them
3. Unionist politicians claim it's nothing to do with them.
Bad few days for the lads.
The flag craic, Kate's morning sickness and now Celtic. Drive any man to a bit of rioting.
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 05, 2012, 10:13:52 PM
Alliance office gutted by arson attack.
Usual story:
1. Unionist politicians make the snowballs
2. Loyalist thugs throw them
3. Unionist politicians claim it's nothing to do with them.
They are f**king scumbags. Wee Jeffrey asked Ford for proof last night that they were the rioters pupper masters. Obviously these boys have a long history of shit-stirring so they know how to work the system.
Clever DUP ploy to win back seat in East Belfast
1982 or 2012 ?
Crazy stuff altogether.
Did i read somewhere today that former Larne SDLP mayor is thinking of joining the DUP as he reckons the DUP represents his faith better ?
What next ?
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 05, 2012, 10:13:52 PM
Alliance office gutted by arson attack.
Usual story:
1. Unionist politicians make the snowballs
2. Loyalist thugs throw them
3. Unionist politicians claim it's nothing to do with them.
1. Unionist politician tweets updates to Loyalist thugs from inside council chamber.
2. Loyalist thugs damage said Unionist politicians car in council car park.
3. Unionist politician not impressed.
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9OB0umCQAEgQ_7.jpg:large)
http://twitter.com/GuySpence/status/275706745056280577/photo/1
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 05, 2012, 10:13:52 PM
Alliance office gutted by arson attack.
Usual story:
1. Unionist politicians make the snowballs
2. Loyalist thugs throw them
3. Unionist politicians claim it's nothing to do with them.
'twas ever thus, except this evening they made (and lit) the Molotovs.
Unionists haven't got their heads around this 'democracy' craic, never have.
Lurgan too by the sounds of it....
That referee in the Celtic game will be in trouble if these loyalists find out where he lives !
Quote from: All of a Sludden on December 05, 2012, 10:27:59 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 05, 2012, 10:13:52 PM
Alliance office gutted by arson attack.
Usual story:
1. Unionist politicians make the snowballs
2. Loyalist thugs throw them
3. Unionist politicians claim it's nothing to do with them.
1. Unionist politician tweets updates to Loyalist thugs from inside council chamber.
2. Loyalist thugs damage said Unionist politicians car in council car park.
3. Unionist politician not impressed.
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9OB0umCQAEgQ_7.jpg:large)
http://twitter.com/GuySpence/status/275706745056280577/photo/1
Hell slap it up unionist politician
over a thousand protesters, hundreds of rioters, 18 people hurt, thousands of pounds worth of damage, hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of damage to the image of belfast... 3 arrests!!! this doesnt add up!
The Shining 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTvFC7QNc0Q&sns=tw
Quote from: ONeill on December 05, 2012, 11:18:34 PM
The Shining 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTvFC7QNc0Q&sns=tw
love it ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D
that was good decent rib tickler
DESIGNATED DAYS FOR FLYING THE UNION FLAG*
*Source Department of Culture, Media and Sport and subject to review
20 January Birthday of The Countess of Wessex
6 February Her Majesty's Accession
19 February Birthday of The Duke of York
14 March Commonwealth Day (second Monday in March)
10 March Birthday of The Earl of Wessex
17 March St Patrick's Day
21 April Birthday of Her Majesty The Queen
9 May Europe Day
2 June Coronation Day
10 June Birthday of The Duke of Edinburgh
11 June Official Celebration of Her Majesty's Birthday
17 July Birthday of The Duchess of Cornwall
15 August Birthday of The Princess Royal
13 November Remembrance Day (second Sunday)
14 November Birthday of The Prince of Wales
20 November Her Majesty's Wedding Day
Opening of Parliament by HM The Queen
Closing of Parliament by HM The Queen
Unionists always did love an oul' majority ... Until they are no longer the majority ... when is the penny going to drop for them?
Quotewhen is the penny going to drop for them?
When it becomes €0.013
Believe they're now attacking homes of Alliance councillors in Bangor... The DUP can't be allowed to wiggle off the hook on this one, they, to all intents and purposes, called these scum onto the streets
Quote from: never kickt a ball on December 06, 2012, 12:13:57 AM
DESIGNATED DAYS FOR FLYING THE UNION FLAG*
*Source Department of Culture, Media and Sport and subject to review
20 January Birthday of The Countess of Wessex
6 February Her Majesty's Accession
19 February Birthday of The Duke of York
14 March Commonwealth Day (second Monday in March)
10 March Birthday of The Earl of Wessex
17 March St Patrick's Day
21 April Birthday of Her Majesty The Queen
9 May Europe Day
2 June Coronation Day
10 June Birthday of The Duke of Edinburgh
11 June Official Celebration of Her Majesty's Birthday
17 July Birthday of The Duchess of Cornwall
15 August Birthday of The Princess Royal
13 November Remembrance Day (second Sunday)
14 November Birthday of The Prince of Wales
20 November Her Majesty's Wedding Day
Opening of Parliament by HM The Queen
Closing of Parliament by HM The Queen
Bloody hell, no union fleg on the 12th?
Quote from: johnneycool on December 06, 2012, 08:19:00 AM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on December 06, 2012, 12:13:57 AM
DESIGNATED DAYS FOR FLYING THE UNION FLAG*
*Source Department of Culture, Media and Sport and subject to review
20 January Birthday of The Countess of Wessex
6 February Her Majesty's Accession
19 February Birthday of The Duke of York
14 March Commonwealth Day (second Monday in March)
10 March Birthday of The Earl of Wessex
17 March St Patrick's Day
21 April Birthday of Her Majesty The Queen
9 May Europe Day
2 June Coronation Day
10 June Birthday of The Duke of Edinburgh
11 June Official Celebration of Her Majesty's Birthday
17 July Birthday of The Duchess of Cornwall
15 August Birthday of The Princess Royal
13 November Remembrance Day (second Sunday)
14 November Birthday of The Prince of Wales
20 November Her Majesty's Wedding Day
Opening of Parliament by HM The Queen
Closing of Parliament by HM The Queen
Bloody hell, no union fleg on the 12th?
I predict a riot, I predict a riot....
Quote from: johnneycool on December 06, 2012, 08:19:00 AM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on December 06, 2012, 12:13:57 AM
DESIGNATED DAYS FOR FLYING THE UNION FLAG*
*Source Department of Culture, Media and Sport and subject to review
20 January Birthday of The Countess of Wessex
6 February Her Majesty's Accession
19 February Birthday of The Duke of York
14 March Commonwealth Day (second Monday in March)
10 March Birthday of The Earl of Wessex
17 March St Patrick's Day
21 April Birthday of Her Majesty The Queen
9 May Europe Day
2 June Coronation Day
10 June Birthday of The Duke of Edinburgh
11 June Official Celebration of Her Majesty's Birthday
17 July Birthday of The Duchess of Cornwall
15 August Birthday of The Princess Royal
13 November Remembrance Day (second Sunday)
14 November Birthday of The Prince of Wales
20 November Her Majesty's Wedding Day
Opening of Parliament by HM The Queen
Closing of Parliament by HM The Queen
Bloody hell, no union fleg on the 12th?
....and one on St Patrick's Day????
Quote from: red hander on December 06, 2012, 02:38:33 AM
Believe they're now attacking homes of Alliance councillors in Bangor... The DUP can't be allowed to wiggle off the hook on this one, they, to all intents and purposes, called these scum onto the streets
Oh you should have heard Sammy Wilson on Radio Ulster this morning. He said last night and repeated this morning that the Alliance Party had opened this "pandora's box" and when challenged on that he said that he was just stating fact. Er, Pandora's Box is notoriously hard to physically and factually open...
Anyway, he blamed the violence firstly on SF/SDLP pursuing bigotted strategies like naming a park after a killer in Newry & Mourne, and said that Alliance "aided and abetted" them in their plotting. And he also denied that sending out 40k leaflets telling people to use their voice did not mean the DUP had called for people to take to the streets. Hmmm....
I had a bit of respect for Sammy as finance minister, but when it's back to this aul sh1t, for me he has lost what he had built up.
In the interests of good community relations and neighbourliness I reckon we should allow them to fly it on the twaalf.
Quote from: Ulick on December 06, 2012, 10:10:33 AM
In the interests of good community relations and neighbourliness I reckon we should allow them to fly it on the twaalf.
Yes a bit of equality, since the tricolour is flown on top of quite a few bonfires on that day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTvFC7QNc0Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTvFC7QNc0Q)
It's already time for a second run of the classic 'The Shining - Belfast crazed bigot remix'?
Why not?
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 05, 2012, 10:13:52 PM
Alliance office gutted by arson attack.
The traditional Unionist Spoiled bully response when you don't get your own way - burn them out >:(
And of course it's the other fella's fault - if he'd keep his head down and continue crawling we wouldn't be upset. ::)
A few posters who criticise things Nationalist seem to be missing in this thread - Obviously the blinkers are back on >:(
They be erecting flags along the Ormeau Rd this morning. In this weather, that's dedication to the flag!
http://youtu.be/Sdzks189qM0
Somebody had to do it!!! ;)
Quote from: Ulick on December 06, 2012, 11:48:13 AM
They be erecting flags along the Ormeau Rd this morning. In this weather, that's dedication to the flag!
I went over to talk to them about 11.30 and explained very politely that their actions would harm community relations.
They just ignored me & carry on putting up their flag so I told them if they didn't stop at once I would boycott the annual Parador v Apprentice Boys Band Hall cricket match. They just laughed at me.
They probably thought I was joking but I'm not. That's me finished with cross community cricket!
Quote from: Lecale2 on December 06, 2012, 01:12:08 PM
Quote from: Ulick on December 06, 2012, 11:48:13 AM
They be erecting flags along the Ormeau Rd this morning. In this weather, that's dedication to the flag!
I went over to talk to them about 11.30 and explained very politely that their actions would harm community relations.
They just ignored me & carry on putting up their flag so I told them if they didn't stop at once I would boycott the annual Parador v Apprentice Boys Band Hall cricket match. They just laughed at me.
They probably thought I was joking but I'm not. That's me finished with cross community cricket!
You're lucky ye didn't get a fleg shoved up the Union Jacksie!
Quote from: The Gs Man on December 06, 2012, 12:35:50 PM
http://youtu.be/Sdzks189qM0
Somebody had to do it!!! ;)
That is simply brilliant.
Quote from: Lecale2 on December 06, 2012, 01:12:08 PM
I went over to talk to them about 11.30 and explained very politely that their actions would harm community relations.
They just ignored me & carry on putting up their flag so I told them if they didn't stop at once I would boycott the annual Parador v Apprentice Boys Band Hall cricket match. They just laughed at me.
They probably thought I was joking but I'm not. That's me finished with cross community cricket!
Noticed the cricket pictures on the walls of the Parador last week and was wondering what they were all about.
Protesting outside Catholic primary schools now:
From Twitter
Conor Spackman @conorspackman
Children at Little Flower School in North Belfast who live near Hightown Road, Glengormley are sent home early because of a planned protest
And it's all the Alliance Pary's fault.
Why are they not burning down Sinn Fein and SDLP offices ?
Perverse to say the least.
Quote from: orangeman on December 06, 2012, 01:26:34 PM
Quote from: The Gs Man on December 06, 2012, 12:35:50 PM
http://youtu.be/Sdzks189qM0
Somebody had to do it!!! ;)
That is simply brilliant.
The final screech
The day 'no surrender' died.
Quote from: Main Street on December 06, 2012, 02:12:06 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 06, 2012, 01:26:34 PM
Quote from: The Gs Man on December 06, 2012, 12:35:50 PM
http://youtu.be/Sdzks189qM0
Somebody had to do it!!! ;)
That is simply brilliant.
The final screech
The day 'no surrender' died.
If it didn't die, it's terminal.
That poor wee woman was in some pain and torment.
What must she have been told before she left the parish hall before heading down to City Hall ?
Quote from: Ulick on December 06, 2012, 02:00:40 PM
Protesting outside Catholic primary schools now:
From Twitter
Conor Spackman @conorspackman
Children at Little Flower School in North Belfast who live near Hightown Road, Glengormley are sent home early because of a planned protest
Does this mean the protest is at the school or at the Hightown Road?? Plus is "Little Flower" not the girls' secondary on the Somerton Road?? The primary school on the Antrim Road beside the Chester goes under St Therese of Lisieux PS??
And we thought loyalist protesting at primary schools was a thing of the past ???
No idea, just saw that on Twitter.
Quote from: Ulick on December 06, 2012, 02:24:50 PM
No idea, just saw that on Twitter.
Sounds like there is something planned for Glengormley and kids who live there being sent home?? Reminds me of the "good old days" of the 70s when there's be the odd day we'd get sent home early due to bus hijackings on the Antrim Rd. Ahh nostalgia...
Ah right, sorry I didn't read it that way, sounds right.
Quote from: orangeman on December 05, 2012, 10:26:38 PM
1982 or 2012 ?
Crazy stuff altogether.
Did i read somewhere today that former Larne SDLP mayor is thinking of joining the DUP as he reckons the DUP represents his faith better ?
What next ?
Let him feck off then, bloody idiots putting fairytails ahead of real politics.
"We will look at the situation at Stormont and if it is feasible that we can fly the national flag on more days than is currently the case, that is something we will look at."
This is part of an Edwin Poots interview on the bbc.
So looks like they would like to review stormont flag flying policy with a view to flying it more there.
Oh what a petty place we live in.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 06, 2012, 02:31:58 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 05, 2012, 10:26:38 PM
1982 or 2012 ?
Crazy stuff altogether.
Did i read somewhere today that former Larne SDLP mayor is thinking of joining the DUP as he reckons the DUP represents his faith better ?
What next ?
Let him feck off then, bloody idiots putting fairytails ahead of real politics.
he reckons the DUP are more in line with his beliefs on abortion and same sex marriages. no great loss, cherrie bye.
Quote from: orangeman on December 05, 2012, 10:26:38 PM
Did i read somewhere today that former Larne SDLP mayor is thinking of joining the DUP as he reckons the DUP represents his faith better ?
What next ?
He's a former UDR man. Which says it all about the dickhead.
Quote from: charlieTully on December 06, 2012, 02:45:10 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 06, 2012, 02:31:58 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 05, 2012, 10:26:38 PM
1982 or 2012 ?
Crazy stuff altogether.
Did i read somewhere today that former Larne SDLP mayor is thinking of joining the DUP as he reckons the DUP represents his faith better ?
What next ?
Let him feck off then, bloody idiots putting fairytails ahead of real politics.
he reckons the DUP are more in line with his beliefs on abortion and same sex marriages. no great loss, cherrie bye.
Maybe the DUP needs someone to serve drinks (non-alcoholic, obviously) during meetings, or sweep up the hall afterwards. Let him join, but see if he has the balls to resign his seat and stand under DUP banner and see how many of the c***ts vote for a Fenian
Could be more rumours as I don't see the point of a protest (even for them) after the school has closed:
Chris Donnelly @chrisadonnelly
Loyalist protest believed planned for 4pm outside Holy Cross girls school, where 10 yrs ago loyalists threw bombs/ bottles urine at girls
Carnmoney Road Newtownabbey, closed
Carnmoney Road in Newtownabbey has been closed due to a protest taking place. Local diversions in place.
Weren't there similar tantrums when a certain council changed its name to "Derry City Council"? I'm sure they'll get over this too.
In fairness it was a smart move passing this motion at this time of year. If they'd passed it in the summer when most of the recreational rioters were off school it would have been deadly.
Those Unionists are mightly for organised protesting. Any chance we in the republic, could get a loan of them, to organise an anti-austerity protest march? Could tell them its a love Ulster parade.
Children (some middle class) are going to schools hungry and with tatty clothes. All these fu*kers care about is the flying of a fu@king flag. I could not handle living in the 6 counties, its bad enough in the 26. The Holycross incident years ago was shocking, what grown men did to young children was shameful.
My colleague's daughter was sent home from Dominican College, Fortwilliam earlier today.
Apparently it caused a lot of panic among young girls who thankfully haven't grown up with this type of stuff.
Peter, of Clontibret invasionary fame, to the rescue -
Northern Ireland's First Minister Peter Robinson has appealed for loyalists to suspend all Union flag street protests.
He was speaking after a spate of violence over the vote to stop flying it every day at Belfast City Hall.
Police have been attacked in rioting and premises of the centre-ground Alliance Party have also been targeted.
The PSNI have said that some roads are being blocked by loyalist protesters in north and south Belfast.
Mr Robinson said he wanted a "shared future" but added that this would not involve a "diminution of our Britishness".
"People's right to protest is justified and legitimate and should be defended," he said.
Quote from: Rudi on December 06, 2012, 04:56:54 PM
Those Unionists are mightly for organised protesting. Any chance we in the republic, could get a loan of them, to organise an anti-austerity protest march? Could tell them its a love Ulster parade.
Children (some middle class) are going to schools hungry and with tatty clothes. All these f**kers care about is the flying of a f*@king flag. I could not handle living in the 6 counties, its bad enough in the 26. The Holycross incident years ago was shocking, what grown men did to young children was shameful.
You've got to be taking the piss.
Quote from: lawnseed on December 05, 2012, 11:26:32 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 05, 2012, 11:18:34 PM
The Shining 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTvFC7QNc0Q&sns=tw
love it ;D ;D ;D ;D
Class, even the kids I teach (wee Protestants) laughed their heads off when I put it on the overhead projector in class!! Brilliant
Quote from: trileacman on December 06, 2012, 06:01:23 PM
Quote from: Rudi on December 06, 2012, 04:56:54 PM
Those Unionists are mightly for organised protesting. Any chance we in the republic, could get a loan of them, to organise an anti-austerity protest march? Could tell them its a love Ulster parade.
Children (some middle class) are going to schools hungry and with tatty clothes. All these f**kers care about is the flying of a f*@king flag. I could not handle living in the 6 counties, its bad enough in the 26. The Holycross incident years ago was shocking, what grown men did to young children was shameful.
You've got to be taking the piss.
I think he meant Tacky, all that TeamGB-RoyalWedding-12'th-Jubilee tat.
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 06, 2012, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 05, 2012, 10:26:38 PM
Did i read somewhere today that former Larne SDLP mayor is thinking of joining the DUP as he reckons the DUP represents his faith better ?
What next ?
He's a former UDR man. Which says it all about the d**khead.
The fact that he would put an imaginary deity ahead of a United Ireland or the values of Republicanism says it all about him.
Quote from: orangeman on December 06, 2012, 05:56:36 PM
Mr Robinson said he wanted a "shared future" but added that this would not involve a "diminution of our Britishness".
"People's right to protest is justified and legitimate and should be defended," he said.
A shared future provided Unionists are let do what they like when they like to whoever they like.
A lot of masks slipping in Unionist ranks these days as they pander to the lowest common denominator.
Certain posters very noticeable by their absence on this subject ::)
Alliance want Stormont reconvened tomorrow but Sinn Fein and DUP want to wait until Monday, a few photos with Hilary Clinton more important it seems. Nothing will stop the ego maniacs in Stormont having their day in the sun.
When the US secretary of state arrives in town, that is kind of a big deal. Certainly bigger than a bloody flag.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 06, 2012, 08:24:17 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 06, 2012, 05:56:36 PM
Mr Robinson said he wanted a "shared future" but added that this would not involve a "diminution of our Britishness".
"People's right to protest is justified and legitimate and should be defended," he said.
A shared future provided Unionists are let do what they like when they like to whoever they like.
A lot of masks slipping in Unionist ranks these days as they pander to the lowest common denominator.
Certain posters very noticeable by their absence on this subject ::)
Yup. Also interesting how quickly they resort to child abuse as a "form of legitimate protest." And it always seems to be young girls that are targetted. Something definitely sick going on in the minds of these neanderthals.*
*Apologies to any neanderthals that might still be around. I hear they were quite a sociable species by all accounts.
And to think how Mary McAleese was abused when she said "some people" hate Catholics !!!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 06, 2012, 07:10:47 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on December 05, 2012, 11:26:32 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 05, 2012, 11:18:34 PM
The Shining 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTvFC7QNc0Q&sns=tw
love it ;D ;D ;D ;D
Class, even the kids I teach (wee Protestants) laughed their heads off when I put it on the overhead projector in class!! Brilliant
Some 38,000 viewings so far.
But I've watched it about 100 times myself.
Perhaps they should get a few more fire extinguishers for the Census office before next week. These rioters might be the type that would shoot the messenger.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 06, 2012, 08:03:09 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 06, 2012, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 05, 2012, 10:26:38 PM
Did i read somewhere today that former Larne SDLP mayor is thinking of joining the DUP as he reckons the DUP represents his faith better ?
What next ?
He's a former UDR man. Which says it all about the d**khead.
The fact that he would put an imaginary deity ahead of a United Ireland or the values of Republicanism says it all about him.
I read the article - he said he'd still vote for a united Ireland!
Quote from: Main Street on December 06, 2012, 09:02:37 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 06, 2012, 07:10:47 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on December 05, 2012, 11:26:32 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 05, 2012, 11:18:34 PM
The Shining 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTvFC7QNc0Q&sns=tw
love it ;D ;D ;D ;D
Class, even the kids I teach (wee Protestants) laughed their heads off when I put it on the overhead projector in class!! Brilliant
Some 38,000 viewings so far.
But I've watched it about 100 times myself.
This whole mess was worth it just for that video!
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 06, 2012, 08:36:44 PM
When the US secretary of state arrives in town, that is kind of a big deal. Certainly bigger than a bloody flag.
Of course its more important than a stupid flag, but it is it more important than trying to sort out whats actually happening which is far beyond that? Ignoring it cos clinton is here is hardly ideal.
Quote from: nifan on December 06, 2012, 10:04:23 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 06, 2012, 08:36:44 PM
When the US secretary of state arrives in town, that is kind of a big deal. Certainly bigger than a bloody flag.
Of course its more important than a stupid flag, but it is it more important than trying to sort out whats actually happening which is far beyond that? Ignoring it cos clinton is here is hardly ideal.
It'll never be sorted out, and the current 'peace' and no amount of bullshit about a CSI strategy will change that. What we are seeing from loyalists is what we see each time from loyalists whenever nationalists have sought parity in their own land - violence and intimidation born out of a pathetic sense of supremacy. You'd think they'd get the message by now that the croppies aren't for lying down
Quote from: red hander on December 06, 2012, 10:33:19 PM
Quote from: nifan on December 06, 2012, 10:04:23 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 06, 2012, 08:36:44 PM
When the US secretary of state arrives in town, that is kind of a big deal. Certainly bigger than a bloody flag.
Of course its more important than a stupid flag, but it is it more important than trying to sort out whats actually happening which is far beyond that? Ignoring it cos clinton is here is hardly ideal.
It'll never be sorted out, and the current 'peace' and no amount of bullshit about a CSI strategy will change that. What we are seeing from loyalists is what we see each time from loyalists whenever nationalists have sought parity in their own land - violence and intimidation born out of a pathetic sense of supremacy. You'd think they'd get the message by now that the croppies aren't for lying down
+1. The case isn't helped by pathetic rabble-rousing Unionist politicians.
Quote from: red hander on December 06, 2012, 10:33:19 PM
Quote from: nifan on December 06, 2012, 10:04:23 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 06, 2012, 08:36:44 PM
When the US secretary of state arrives in town, that is kind of a big deal. Certainly bigger than a bloody flag.
Of course its more important than a stupid flag, but it is it more important than trying to sort out whats actually happening which is far beyond that? Ignoring it cos clinton is here is hardly ideal.
It'll never be sorted out, and the current 'peace' and no amount of bullshit about a CSI strategy will change that. What we are seeing from loyalists is what we see each time from loyalists whenever nationalists have sought parity in their own land - violence and intimidation born out of a pathetic sense of supremacy. You'd think they'd get the message by now that the croppies aren't for lying down
You are right red hander, and when you think of all the patronising shite you listen to, and the money dished out to rogues on both sides, about a "shared future" and "reconciliation" when hardy comes to hardy things will never change with a party like the DUP about.
This woman could rake in a fortune if she wants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZsPVPtjye4c
Quote from: Minder on December 06, 2012, 10:49:29 PM
Quote from: red hander on December 06, 2012, 10:33:19 PM
Quote from: nifan on December 06, 2012, 10:04:23 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 06, 2012, 08:36:44 PM
When the US secretary of state arrives in town, that is kind of a big deal. Certainly bigger than a bloody flag.
Of course its more important than a stupid flag, but it is it more important than trying to sort out whats actually happening which is far beyond that? Ignoring it cos clinton is here is hardly ideal.
It'll never be sorted out, and the current 'peace' and no amount of bullshit about a CSI strategy will change that. What we are seeing from loyalists is what we see each time from loyalists whenever nationalists have sought parity in their own land - violence and intimidation born out of a pathetic sense of supremacy. You'd think they'd get the message by now that the croppies aren't for lying down
You are right red hander, and when you think of all the patronising shite you listen to, and the money dished out to rogues on both sides, about a "shared future" and "reconciliation" when hardy comes to hardy things will never change with a party like the DUP about.
More than a party, the unionist air of entitlement is ingrained into a fair proportion of their electorate. Gonna have to wait for these f**kers to just die off unfortunately. Seen this on the Holylands page on fb.
Sittin in the house on Cairo street watchin the news stoned. I asked my housemate skins 'what do u think of the whole flag issue skins'.. To which he stirred blankly, paused and replied 'lad I don't give enough of a f**k to give a f**k'. Skins o'donnell- the symbol of a shared future.
The whole thing is a big embarassment.
So now we have the health minister saying now it will be discussed how often the flag will be flown at stormont. What we have there is a point scoring exercise that you'd expect from a spoilt child. How about discussing our health system mr health minister and doing the job you're paid to do.
Every so often you get too used to normality in this place and some bunch of pricks somewhere have to remind you that we are far from normal yet.
Around 100 good loyal sons of Ulster have made an illegal procession towards the town tonight and are currently illegally blocking the town's bypass. Police standing aside and allowing it.
ah feck it, its near Christmas a wee tune to brghten the mood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzjvlE3vsjE
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 06, 2012, 11:21:52 PM
Around 100 good loyal sons of Ulster have made an illegal procession towards the town tonight and are currently illegally blocking the town's bypass. Police standing aside and allowing it.
Rumours that they're getting violent along campsie now too, anyone in Omagh tonight able to confirm?
Did Poots just say nationalists are allowed to have an Irish passport, play gaa and learn the Irish language so you should respect the orange order ?
What a Cnut, the Unionists are showing their true colours and Mike Nesbitt has been to the fore of it all.
Quote from: ONeill on December 06, 2012, 10:50:54 PM
This woman could rake in a fortune if she wants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZsPVPtjye4c
If she hasn't crawled back under her (red, white and blue) rock for good!
What a wonderfully sensible proposal, Rossfan—"Why isn't SF asking for the Tricolour to be flown 40% of the time for parity of esteem purposes?" So I offer my own proposal, a Modest Proposal, if you will. Why not fly both flags at the same time?
"I can think of no one objection, that will possibly be raised against this proposal, unless it should be" that this little segment of the world is part of her majesty's grand dominion but is not part of that other glorified bog, but that is merely a nice technicality since, of course, it would be had the loyal sons and daughters of Erin North not discovered democracy so late.
And, of course, in the spirit of reunification, perhaps this thread could be united with the Dissident Activity one, with the agreement of all factions of this august board, of course, and swiftly too.
Quote from: angermanagement on December 06, 2012, 11:50:53 PM
Did Poots just say nationalists are allowed to have an Irish passport, play gaa and learn the Irish language so you should respect the orange order ?
What a Cnut, the Unionists are showing their true colours and Mike Nesbitt has been to the fore of it all.
Nesbitt really is an arsehole, if he was an ice cream hed lick himself, if he could he would sit on his own knee. Poor Lynda, I know the marriage is only a farce, but I do feel sorry for her. As for Lugs, thank you kindly sur for allowing me my Irish passport, allowing me to watch Tyrone games and allowing me my own language, thank you kindly sur, do you want to borrow my daughter, sur?
Quote from: Oraisteach on December 07, 2012, 12:17:40 AM
What a wonderfully sensible proposal, Rossfan—"Why isn't SF asking for the Tricolour to be flown 40% of the time for parity of esteem purposes?" So I offer my own proposal, a Modest Proposal, if you will. Why not fly both flags at the same time?
"I can think of no one objection, that will possibly be raised against this proposal, unless it should be" that this little segment of the world is part of her majesty's grand dominion but is not part of that other glorified bog, but that is merely a nice technicality since, of course, it would be had the loyal sons and daughters of Erin North not discovered democracy so late.
And, of course, in the spirit of reunification, perhaps this thread could be united with the Dissident Activity one, with the agreement of all factions of this august board, of course, and swiftly too.
The argument was raised before by someone I knew that flying both flags together would recognize the legitimacy of the British occupation in Ireland. They argued that such a action would equate the two symbols when the truth of the matter was that one was the figure of oppression, tyranny and genocide whilst the other represented an aspiration for freedom, equality and civil liberty in the face of ruthless aggression.
They suggested that to equate the tricolor to the Union flag is to betray all that the tricolor has stood for and stands for today. I believe there was some substance to what they said despite certain logical arguments against.
another song for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bPfpv0_T-HY
The Belfast Crazed Bigot is on a You Tube roll.
A cameo role in Fleg Geg 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E_ZUtgRC40 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E_ZUtgRC40)
Headlines on the BBC website;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/ Japanese tsunami causes earthquake.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk/ Interactive map showing locations of bombings in London during WW2.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/scotland/ Rise in full-time teaching jobs.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/wales/ Cabbie jailed for mowing down men.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/northern_ireland/ 'Death threat' against Belfast MP (over a fleg!)
Some spot we live in...
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 06, 2012, 11:21:52 PM
Around 100 good loyal sons of Ulster have made an illegal procession towards the town tonight and are currently illegally blocking the town's bypass. Police standing aside and allowing it.
I wonder how many of them are in full time employment
Quote from: trileacman on December 07, 2012, 12:50:57 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on December 07, 2012, 12:17:40 AM
What a wonderfully sensible proposal, Rossfan—"Why isn't SF asking for the Tricolour to be flown 40% of the time for parity of esteem purposes?" So I offer my own proposal, a Modest Proposal, if you will. Why not fly both flags at the same time?
"I can think of no one objection, that will possibly be raised against this proposal, unless it should be" that this little segment of the world is part of her majesty's grand dominion but is not part of that other glorified bog, but that is merely a nice technicality since, of course, it would be had the loyal sons and daughters of Erin North not discovered democracy so late.
And, of course, in the spirit of reunification, perhaps this thread could be united with the Dissident Activity one, with the agreement of all factions of this august board, of course, and swiftly too.
The argument was raised before by someone I knew that flying both flags together would recognize the legitimacy of the British occupation in Ireland. They argued that such a action would equate the two symbols when the truth of the matter was that one was the figure of oppression, tyranny and genocide whilst the other represented an aspiration for freedom, equality and civil liberty in the face of ruthless aggression.
They suggested that to equate the tricolor to the Union flag is to betray all that the tricolor has stood for and stands for today. I believe there was some substance to what they said despite certain logical arguments against.
Would have to agree with that. I hate to see the flag demeaned, there is nothing worse than seeing threadbare rags hanging off lamp posts all year round.
Let them run about in their Union Jack shorts, catching skid marks is quite symbolic, but don't equate the two flags. Design a new one if we have to have one hanging here.
Dissidents getting in on the act now, idiots!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW1FZe_Upt8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW1FZe_Upt8)
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 07, 2012, 01:28:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW1FZe_Upt8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW1FZe_Upt8)
Did it kick off in omagh last night?
Quote from: charlieTully on December 07, 2012, 02:21:17 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 07, 2012, 01:28:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW1FZe_Upt8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW1FZe_Upt8)
Did it kick off in omagh last night?
Nothing too serious in the end up. One arrest for criminal damage. Roads blocked and the cops stood around and let them ::)
These videos are taking on a life of their own!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUxfnTOCIeM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUxfnTOCIeM)
UUP will poll well next time round in Lisburn.
Ulster Unionist trio want Basil McCrea disciplined
The UUP's three Belfast councillors are demanding Basil McCrea be disciplined over his support for the flying of the union flag on designated days only.
David Browne, Jim Rodgers and Bob Stoker have told their party leadership they are considering their position if action is not taken against Mr McCrea.
Mr McCrea was interviewed on BBC Radio Ulster on Friday morning.
He said the flying of the union flag is a matter for Belfast council but agrees it should fly only on designated days.
The council veterans believe Mr McCrea, a Lagan Valley MLA, has contradicted party leader Mike Nesbitt and is not upholding the party's constitution in support of the union.
Mr Stoker said he and his council colleagues are seriously considering their position and want the party to deal with Basil McCrea as a matter of urgency.
Another source told the BBC that the councillors felt others had been dealt with ruthlessly while Mr McCea was an unguided missile who had been let off.
In a statement the UUP said: "Mike Nesbitt made the Ulster Unionist party`s position absolutely clear on Thursday.
"There is a fundamental issue regarding the chipping away of people's identity as British citizens.
"No doubt Basil McCrea's interview will be brought up when the party executive meet tomorrow."
Only for the cold, this has a ring of the Drumcree protests about it.
Good job the nights are cold and long and red diesel is expensive and the farmers hadn't a good year.
Otherwise the tractors would be out.
Quote from: orangeman on December 07, 2012, 03:05:26 PM
UUP will poll well next time round in Lisburn.
Ulster Unionist trio want Basil McCrea disciplined
The UUP's three Belfast councillors are demanding Basil McCrea be disciplined over his support for the flying of the union flag on designated days only.
David Browne, Jim Rodgers and Bob Stoker have told their party leadership they are considering their position if action is not taken against Mr McCrea.
Mr McCrea was interviewed on BBC Radio Ulster on Friday morning.
He said the flying of the union flag is a matter for Belfast council but agrees it should fly only on designated days.
The council veterans believe Mr McCrea, a Lagan Valley MLA, has contradicted party leader Mike Nesbitt and is not upholding the party's constitution in support of the union.
Mr Stoker said he and his council colleagues are seriously considering their position and want the party to deal with Basil McCrea as a matter of urgency.
Another source told the BBC that the councillors felt others had been dealt with ruthlessly while Mr McCea was an unguided missile who had been let off.
In a statement the UUP said: "Mike Nesbitt made the Ulster Unionist party`s position absolutely clear on Thursday.
"There is a fundamental issue regarding the chipping away of people's identity as British citizens.
"No doubt Basil McCrea's interview will be brought up when the party executive meet tomorrow."
It is working out better for the DUP than they could have hoped. Alliance squeezed in East Belfast now the UUP imploding before they can take advantage.
Is it true there they are going to picket Peter Robinsons house tonight?
Might not work out better for them after all !?!
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on December 07, 2012, 04:02:43 PM
Is it true there they are going to picket Peter Robinsons house tonight?
No Iris just invited them to come around while Peter is out.
Quote from: orangeman on December 07, 2012, 03:47:25 PM
Only for the cold, this has a ring of the Drumcree protests about it.
Good job the nights are cold and long and red diesel is expensive and the farmers hadn't a good year.
Otherwise the tractors would be out.
Very unlike them, they used to love being out at night-time after the ploughing in their ruc reserve and udr reserve uniforms harassing their nationalist neighbours... But, ah, the ruc and udr are no more, and the butcher's apron looks to be heading the same way, maybe somebody should tell em!
Protest in Enniskillen tonight as well.
Quiet enough in Cross'!
Quote from: FermGael on December 07, 2012, 09:12:59 PM
Protest in Enniskillen tonight as well.
Centre of banbridge blocked. Dirty orange bastards.
Still no plastic bullets only a water cannon. If it was up in ardoyne they would have been out on the 1st night!!
List of planned protests doing the round on Twitter
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9he3FICMAAT0Lw.jpg)
Kent tomorrow. Should be good.
I managed to drive into the Cloughfern protest. Surely these are all illegal?
Where the heck is the parades commission?
Quote from: ONeill on December 07, 2012, 10:00:56 PM
Kent tomorrow. Should be good.
There would be a lot interest in Kent. Why the f**k didn't they just take the flag down and say nothing. No one would have even noticied, I have been round the city hall dozens of times and never even noticied it.
This country is a joke, can't even agree on whether a flag being flown on the city hall, this time last year there was a row over the happy Xmas sign going up in Irish. Sinn Fein, DUP, UUP, SDLP etc are all the f**king same they couldn't agree on the colour of shite. I won't set foot in another electoral office again, shower or w**kers!
Just back in from town and the Christmas Market. Didn't see anything but taxi driver said Shaftsbury Sq was closed. We drove home along Shore Rd bedecked in Union Jacks, very quiet, all away rioting elsewhere no doubt.
We're having my sister's 30th in town tomorrow, and Rois's family will be shouting "No Surrender" to the spidey rioters!
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 07, 2012, 09:46:08 PM
List of planned protests doing the round on Twitter
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9he3FICMAAT0Lw.jpg)
Ye can't be f**king serious? FFS would their Unionists MLA's not tell them to pipe down!
Would they listen? Anyways the MLA's are probably going
Who's coordinating this whole thing?? It seems to have a significant level of orchestration to it.
It has to be illegal too. You can't just start going out blocking roads.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 07, 2012, 10:41:25 PM
Who's coordinating this whole thing?? It seems to have a significant level of orchestration to it.
It has to be illegal too. You can't just start going out blocking roads.
Dead right. I thought it was just a load of lads pulled out of the knee-breakers. This is getting serious now, the sad thing is that beating them off the streets with batons would only antagonize further numbers out onto the streets.
Pity, I'd have enjoyed that.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 07, 2012, 10:41:25 PM
Who's coordinating this whole thing?? It seems to have a significant level of orchestration to it.
It has to be illegal too. You can't just start going out blocking roads.
drove past an orange hall in banbridge earlier this evening and a load of people congregating there before making their way to the town centre. i reckon they are playing a major role in it. and you can be sure the uvf in belfast are heavily involved.
There were a few peoplelast summer peddling an erosion of culture bullshit argument with parades etc. It seems to be gathering momentum.
If it's like this in off season then i don't hold out high hopes for july time.
There are a lot of politicians with a lot to answer for over this.
Quote from: hardstation on December 07, 2012, 11:04:43 PM
This Custer's last stand bullshit happens every couple of years. They are the people.
They were the people. Think that's what's annoying them most.
All this manipulation of the ignorant masses by Robinson, just to get his Westminister seat back in E.Belfast.. ...played for fools again. I know some of the rabble rousers directly and they could hardly string a sentence together nevermind enter into an informed debate.
I'm inclined to vote Alliance next elections considering how they have been fcuked over here and hopefully everyone with a brain in E.Belfast does the same by backing Naomi Long and keeping the facists skulking around in the shadows. >:(
Quote from: Onion Bag on December 07, 2012, 10:12:09 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 07, 2012, 10:00:56 PM
Kent tomorrow. Should be good.
There would be a lot interest in Kent. Why the f**k didn't they just take the flag down and say nothing. No one would have even noticied, I have been round the city hall dozens of times and never even noticied it.
This country is a joke, can't even agree on whether a flag being flown on the city hall, this time last year there was a row over the happy Xmas sign going up in Irish. Sinn Fein, DUP, UUP, SDLP etc are all the f**king same they couldn't agree on the colour of shite. I won't set foot in another electoral office again, shower or w**kers!
That's a bit simplistic to be honest. If SF had their way the flag would be gone completely, or flying alongside the tricolour - obviously never going to happen. A motion for compromise was put forward by Alliance and passed. Unionists didn't like it - they just seemingly don't like democracy.
They've made an absolute show of themselves, telling us what we already knew - the majority of them are ignorant backward-thinking dinosaurs that are stuck in a f**king time warp.
A sure the BBC will continue to commission onesided viewpoints like this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01p6411/12_Miles_The_Narrow_Sea_The_City/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01p6411/12_Miles_The_Narrow_Sea_The_City/)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 07, 2012, 09:46:08 PM
List of planned protests doing the round on Twitter
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9he3FICMAAT0Lw.jpg)
Not too many in the AM.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 07, 2012, 09:46:08 PM
List of planned protests doing the round on Twitter
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9he3FICMAAT0Lw.jpg)
Outside St.George's Hall tomorrow, the local Scousers won't be happy. Have heard many an English person moan about the traffic being held up because of "the lodge".
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on December 08, 2012, 01:37:37 AM
Maybe it's just me being an idiot, but why that this issue spread outside of Belfast when it is a matter that only really concerns the Belfast City Council area? It's not as if similar fleg agreements haven't been made elsewhere (As Basil McCrea pointed out concerning Lisburn yesterday) which have gone through without incident yet it seems to have dragged some people out to now protest at Belfast's decision across d'north and even in Britain?
P.S. Priorities and all that shite...
Is been a while since they've had some sectarian bullshit to get riled up about and go out and break a few windows; Drumcree, Holy Cross, etc. Doesn't matter if it makes no f**king sense you just need some half-arsed excuse to drape yourself in your favourite flag and go out and give abuse to other people. It will all happen again in 18-24 months time.
The DUP know they can turn on these thick as shit droids whenever it suits. This time it suited
They are getting away far too handy. No doubt this was pure underhand politics to put the alliance party down a peg in unionist constituencies.
Any wonder they don't care much for improving the academic possibilities of their electorate when they need them to behave like neanderthals every now and then to help serve their own selfish interests.
So much for the work developing the Boyne and the foot stomping in Rossnowlagh to see that their culture can be given respect. Would it be wrong to pull up the drawbridge if they insist on behaving like this?
Time these c***ts were beat off the streets. Big protests planned today in central Belfast. One of the biggest shopping days of the year! Costing millions in lost revenue.
Quote from: trileacman on December 07, 2012, 10:38:26 PM
Ye can't be f**king serious? FFS would their Unionists MLA's not tell them to pipe down!
The first priority of a politician is to get elected and stay electable. This is an early Christmas gift for the DUP.
If anything I can see this consolidating Alliance's position in east Belfast. The thugs out protesting and their supporters have probably never voted alliance and this whole situation has probably just strengthened their position with the electorate who did vote alliance.
It does a lot to dispel the small u myth and fence sitting image.
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 10:46:04 AM
If anything I can see this consolidating Alliance's position in east Belfast. The thugs out protesting and their supporters have probably never voted alliance and this whole situation has probably just strengthened their position with the electorate who did vote alliance.
It does a lot to dispel the small u myth and fence sitting image.
I certainly hope this is the case. Politics is often a dirty sneaky business but the DUP have sunk to a new low this time....please let it back fire!!!
Quote from: Last Man on December 08, 2012, 10:55:31 AM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 10:46:04 AM
If anything I can see this consolidating Alliance's position in east Belfast. The thugs out protesting and their supporters have probably never voted alliance and this whole situation has probably just strengthened their position with the electorate who did vote alliance.
It does a lot to dispel the small u myth and fence sitting image.
I certainly hope this is the case. Politics is often a dirty sneaky business but the DUP have sunk to a new low this time....please let it back fire!!!
I'm only speculating but I think there's a large section of the unionist electorate that are far more liberal and progressive than the DUP and UUP represent.
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 11:04:03 AM
Quote from: Last Man on December 08, 2012, 10:55:31 AM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 10:46:04 AM
If anything I can see this consolidating Alliance's position in east Belfast. The thugs out protesting and their supporters have probably never voted alliance and this whole situation has probably just strengthened their position with the electorate who did vote alliance.
It does a lot to dispel the small u myth and fence sitting image.
I certainly hope this is the case. Politics is often a dirty sneaky business but the DUP have sunk to a new low this time....please let it back fire!!!
I'm only speculating but I think there's a large section of the unionist electorate that are far more liberal and progressive than the DUP and UUP represent.
I hope more middle of the road Unionists/Nationalists move towards the Alliance party. What the North also needs is an effective liberal Nationalists and an effective liberal Unionist party. The problem is alot of sound minded Unionists and Nationalists/Republicans are probably just voting DUP and SF because the UUP and SDLP are gone so useless.
I agree. If the UUP and SDLP had of elected Basil/John McCallister and Conall McDevitt respectively it would have been the first steps to what you're talking about. A strong liberal element on each side with the Alliance would eventually lead to the normalisation of politics up here.
So basically everyone should just join Alliance and hold hands skipping off into the sunset and pretend that the constitutional problem doesn't exist and that anyone who cares about it and wants to support a party which aims to either maintain or end the union is just an extremist?
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 08, 2012, 11:59:21 AM
So basically everyone should just join Alliance and hold hands skipping off into the sunset and pretend that the constitutional problem doesn't exist and that anyone who cares about it and wants to support a party which aims to either maintain or end the union is just an extremist?
So you're happy for the riots and sectarian politics to continue to infinity?
Quote from: trileacman on December 08, 2012, 12:01:40 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 08, 2012, 11:59:21 AM
So basically everyone should just join Alliance and hold hands skipping off into the sunset and pretend that the constitutional problem doesn't exist and that anyone who cares about it and wants to support a party which aims to either maintain or end the union is just an extremist?
So you're happy for the riots and sectarian politics to continue to infinity?
Exhibit A there trileacman, thanks. So basically anyone who doesn't vote Alliance is a sectarian then in this six county Narnia? I am a Republican and I am fiercely non-sectarian. I think I'll give Alliance a miss all the same, thanks.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 08, 2012, 11:07:43 AM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 11:04:03 AM
Quote from: Last Man on December 08, 2012, 10:55:31 AM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 10:46:04 AM
If anything I can see this consolidating Alliance's position in east Belfast. The thugs out protesting and their supporters have probably never voted alliance and this whole situation has probably just strengthened their position with the electorate who did vote alliance.
It does a lot to dispel the small u myth and fence sitting image.
I certainly hope this is the case. Politics is often a dirty sneaky business but the DUP have sunk to a new low this time....please let it back fire!!!
I'm only speculating but I think there's a large section of the unionist electorate that are far more liberal and progressive than the DUP and UUP represent.
I hope more middle of the road Unionists/Nationalists move towards the Alliance party. What the North also needs is an effective liberal Nationalists and an effective liberal Unionist party. The problem is alot of sound minded Unionists and Nationalists/Republicans are probably just voting DUP and SF because the UUP and SDLP are gone so useless.
I see two things here
1 - The DUP and SF have in many ways adopted the positions of the UUP and the SDLP from 10/15 years ago, hence attracting some more of those parties' voters.
2 - Turnout at elections has nosedived, so a lot of moderate voters are simply staying at home.
If there was an election tomorrow, Alliance would have some massive wins. Whether they'll maintain any momentum until the next election is another thing altogether.
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 08, 2012, 12:12:45 PM
Quote from: trileacman on December 08, 2012, 12:01:40 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 08, 2012, 11:59:21 AM
So basically everyone should just join Alliance and hold hands skipping off into the sunset and pretend that the constitutional problem doesn't exist and that anyone who cares about it and wants to support a party which aims to either maintain or end the union is just an extremist?
So you're happy for the riots and sectarian politics to continue to infinity?
Exhibit A there trileacman, thanks. So basically anyone who doesn't vote Alliance is a sectarian then in this six county Narnia? I am a Republican and I am fiercely non-sectarian. I think I'll give Alliance a miss all the same, thanks.
But your're happy for the current status quo to endure, leaving us with riots over a flag? You'd don't welcome any move towards a common middle ground?
Quote from: trileacman on December 08, 2012, 12:39:14 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 08, 2012, 12:12:45 PM
Quote from: trileacman on December 08, 2012, 12:01:40 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 08, 2012, 11:59:21 AM
So basically everyone should just join Alliance and hold hands skipping off into the sunset and pretend that the constitutional problem doesn't exist and that anyone who cares about it and wants to support a party which aims to either maintain or end the union is just an extremist?
So you're happy for the riots and sectarian politics to continue to infinity?
Exhibit A there trileacman, thanks. So basically anyone who doesn't vote Alliance is a sectarian then in this six county Narnia? I am a Republican and I am fiercely non-sectarian. I think I'll give Alliance a miss all the same, thanks.
But your're happy for the current status quo to endure, leaving us with riots over a flag? You'd don't welcome any move towards a common middle ground?
Again did I say I was happy with the statue quo? It's only a few years ago that there were daily bombings and shootings and collusion and harassment etc etc but that has all but ceased, and guess what....that wasn't due to the alliance party. My issue is with the airy fairy nonsense that we should all just vote alliance because they are middle ground, and regard anyone who wants to support a party which best represents their political views on the border feel like they are some sort of extremist. You can't just wish away the constitutional issue and label anyone with deeply held beliefs on it as a sectarian.
Xmas market temporarily closed.
If they take the funding of some of these "community" groups,I think they would soon pull their horns in. After all it is supposed to be for reconcillation,is it not. 8)
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 11:14:43 AM
I agree. If the UUP and SDLP had of elected
Jasus !!! This is getting out of hand :o
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 08, 2012, 12:47:03 PM
Quote from: trileacman on December 08, 2012, 12:39:14 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 08, 2012, 12:12:45 PM
Quote from: trileacman on December 08, 2012, 12:01:40 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 08, 2012, 11:59:21 AM
So basically everyone should just join Alliance and hold hands skipping off into the sunset and pretend that the constitutional problem doesn't exist and that anyone who cares about it and wants to support a party which aims to either maintain or end the union is just an extremist?
So you're happy for the riots and sectarian politics to continue to infinity?
Exhibit A there trileacman, thanks. So basically anyone who doesn't vote Alliance is a sectarian then in this six county Narnia? I am a Republican and I am fiercely non-sectarian. I think I'll give Alliance a miss all the same, thanks.
But your're happy for the current status quo to endure, leaving us with riots over a flag? You'd don't welcome any move towards a common middle ground?
Again did I say I was happy with the statue quo? It's only a few years ago that there were daily bombings and shootings and collusion and harassment etc etc but that has all but ceased, and guess what....that wasn't due to the alliance party. My issue is with the airy fairy nonsense that we should all just vote alliance because they are middle ground, and regard anyone who wants to support a party which best represents their political views on the border feel like they are some sort of extremist. You can't just wish away the constitutional issue and label anyone with deeply held beliefs on it as a sectarian.
You are completely over-reacting, two lads were talking about the normalisation of NI politics with two liberal parties placed either side of an mid-line alliance. In the next line you managed to twist that into "So basically everyone should just join Alliance and hold hands skipping off into the sunset and pretend that the constitutional problem doesn't exist". That's a comical over-reaction and twisting of what was said.
Quote from: trileacman on December 08, 2012, 02:14:44 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 08, 2012, 12:47:03 PM
Quote from: trileacman on December 08, 2012, 12:39:14 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 08, 2012, 12:12:45 PM
Quote from: trileacman on December 08, 2012, 12:01:40 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 08, 2012, 11:59:21 AM
So basically everyone should just join Alliance and hold hands skipping off into the sunset and pretend that the constitutional problem doesn't exist and that anyone who cares about it and wants to support a party which aims to either maintain or end the union is just an extremist?
So you're happy for the riots and sectarian politics to continue to infinity?
Exhibit A there trileacman, thanks. So basically anyone who doesn't vote Alliance is a sectarian then in this six county Narnia? I am a Republican and I am fiercely non-sectarian. I think I'll give Alliance a miss all the same, thanks.
But your're happy for the current status quo to endure, leaving us with riots over a flag? You'd don't welcome any move towards a common middle ground?
Again did I say I was happy with the statue quo? It's only a few years ago that there were daily bombings and shootings and collusion and harassment etc etc but that has all but ceased, and guess what....that wasn't due to the alliance party. My issue is with the airy fairy nonsense that we should all just vote alliance because they are middle ground, and regard anyone who wants to support a party which best represents their political views on the border feel like they are some sort of extremist. You can't just wish away the constitutional issue and label anyone with deeply held beliefs on it as a sectarian.
You are completely over-reacting, two lads were talking about the normalisation of NI politics with two liberal parties placed either side of an mid-line alliance. In the next line you managed to twist that into "So basically everyone should just join Alliance and hold hands skipping off into the sunset and pretend that the constitutional problem doesn't exist". That's a comical over-reaction and twisting of what was said.
Ironic post, coming from someone who just made the assumptions that because I think there is nothing wrong with voting for parties with clear positions on the constitutional issue, that I must be happy with rioting and sectarianism.
Scum
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Quote from: omagh_gael on December 08, 2012, 02:52:56 PM
Scum
http://twitpic.com/bk5mk4
look at the oul doll standing beside them, can you imagine your mother at something like that. scum is right.
Quote from: charlieTully on December 08, 2012, 02:59:43 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on December 08, 2012, 02:52:56 PM
Scum
http://twitpic.com/bk5mk4
look at the oul doll standing beside them, can you imagine your mother at something like that. scum is right.
DUP councillor Ruth Patterson refused to condemn it.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 08, 2012, 01:46:51 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 11:14:43 AM
I agree. If the UUP and SDLP had of elected
Jasus !!! This is getting out of hand :o
Surely you mean "out have hand".
It is unbelievable, though. What do they actually think they're saying and how does it make sense to them?
To be truthful as a nationalist and small 'r' republican I don't mind seeing the loyalists getting up a head of steam about another tiny erosion of their supremacy. They simply have zero concept of what constitutes equality or parity of esteem.
Situations like these, where the unionist family stand shoulder to shoulder in supporting a violent backlash against a democtratic decision which doesnt suit them , are a great lesson to the younger nationalist population of how there will never be equality for them in NI. Without carry on this like this sure all the catholics would be lining up to join the DUP and there'd never be a UI.
I suppose they'll be singing their rendition of the Famine Song. Is it just me who finds it deliciously ironic for Scots who were planted in Ireland a few centuries ago and whose forefathers endured the famine along with the rest of us are now singing a sectarian song made up by biggotted Scots to sing to irish people teling them to go home. These clowns are now parading round Ireland singing it to Irish people. I find that so funny.
Quote from: Hardy on December 08, 2012, 03:09:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 08, 2012, 01:46:51 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 11:14:43 AM
I agree. If the UUP and SDLP had of elected
Jasus !!! This is getting out of hand :o
Surely you mean "out have hand".
It is unbelievable, though. What do they actually think they're saying and how does it make sense to them?
That's the point Hardy...they haven't the first clue what their message is or what it is supposed to be. "No Surrender"...to what?? Feck all people are asking them to surrender to anything. This was a democratic decision taken by a local authority, and frankly if the Council had kept it quiet, 99% of the population wouldn't have noticed it.
They need to look around them. Had this been 1982 or even 1992 there would have been 150,000 people at the City Hall. They could only muster 200 in Ballymena, the capital of Paisleystan, during the week. If any of them could read they should read the editorial of Friday's Belfast Telegraph, once the voice of mainstream Unionist thinking. The "Tele" stopped short of calling them scum...but only just. However, the real villains here are the politicos who are leading these brain deads by the nose for their own purposes.
Quote from: Keyser soze on December 08, 2012, 03:52:08 PM
Situations like these, where the unionist family stand shoulder to shoulder in supporting a violent backlash against a democtratic decision which doesnt suit them , are a great lesson to the younger nationalist population of how there will never be equality for them in NI. Without carry on this like this sure all the catholics would be lining up to join the DUP and there'd never be a UI.
One of my current housemates regularly throws the eyes to heaven with my two English housemates when I refuse to indulge in the Team GB or the Royal baby/wedding craic, or when I use speach which identifies me as being not of Britain. The Irish lad from a Catholic background, often refers to NI as Britain and got caught up in Team GB guff, to which I would correct him that GB and UK are not the same place and would talk of Team GB as I would any other foreign team like France, Jamaica or Australia. Yet the last few days the Irish lads chat has changed profoundly, he seems to be seeing the truth behind the parity of esteem 6 county style. Of course from your point of views thats all hearsay.
That looks like a Meath flag they're burning. Might head down with a rake of Armagh regalia for torching.
I see they are trying to burn the Tricolour, lets see how that plays out when viewed in the US and UK proper where such sights are generally viewed as the preserve of wacko Al Qaeda types.
This rabble are showing the true face of Unionism. They sulked over Home Rule, they sulked over civil rights, and now they sulk over a piece of cloth, democracy is not in their DNA.
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 08, 2012, 11:59:21 AM
So basically everyone should just join Alliance and hold hands skipping off into the sunset and pretend that the constitutional problem doesn't exist and that anyone who cares about it and wants to support a party which aims to either maintain or end the union is just an extremist?
What are you on about? You just took that out of thin air.
Although, on that topic, the constitutional question shouldn't matter at all right now. It's something that isn't going to change for the foreseeable future (if it ever does) and it's only dicks like you that indulge and let yourselves be consumed by it, while the rest of us just want to get on with becoming a functioning, sustainable society.
There are far more important things to be dealing with and it's the most frustrating thing about living in the north that we keep being dragged back into this shite by the likes of you.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 08, 2012, 05:19:14 PM
I see they are trying to burn the Tricolour, lets see how that plays out when viewed in the US and UK proper where such sights are generally viewed as the preserve of wacko Al Qaeda types.
This rabble are showing the true face of Unionism. They sulked over Home Rule, they sulked over civil rights, and now they sulk over a piece of cloth, democracy is not in their DNA.
I've often wondered where do loyalists get tricolours to burn and those boyos in Egypt and Iran, where to they get the US flag to burn. It almost implies someone on their "side" is actually making flags to burn them. In any case Mayo, they be burning tricolours regularly in the 6, its a hobby some of the loyalists have like you might collect stamps.
So someof these boyos are rioting as they believe their flag should be respected. While they riot they are basically using the flags as balaclavas. You couldn't make it up.
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Quote from: Itchy on December 08, 2012, 05:55:53 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 08, 2012, 05:19:14 PM
I see they are trying to burn the Tricolour, lets see how that plays out when viewed in the US and UK proper where such sights are generally viewed as the preserve of wacko Al Qaeda types.
This rabble are showing the true face of Unionism. They sulked over Home Rule, they sulked over civil rights, and now they sulk over a piece of cloth, democracy is not in their DNA.
I've often wondered where do loyalists get tricolours to burn and those boyos in Egypt and Iran, where to they get the US flag to burn. It almost implies someone on their "side" is actually making flags to burn them. In any case Mayo, they be burning tricolours regularly in the 6, its a hobby some of the loyalists have like you might collect stamps.
A year or two ago, they were selling them in some Loyalist shops in Belfast, for the purpose of burning.
Quote from: Itchy on December 08, 2012, 05:55:53 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 08, 2012, 05:19:14 PM
I see they are trying to burn the Tricolour, lets see how that plays out when viewed in the US and UK proper where such sights are generally viewed as the preserve of wacko Al Qaeda types.
This rabble are showing the true face of Unionism. They sulked over Home Rule, they sulked over civil rights, and now they sulk over a piece of cloth, democracy is not in their DNA.
I've often wondered where do loyalists get tricolours to burn and those boyos in Egypt and Iran, where to they get the US flag to burn. It almost implies someone on their "side" is actually making flags to burn them. In any case Mayo, they be burning tricolours regularly in the 6, its a hobby some of the loyalists have like you might collect stamps.
I usually enjoy their attempts at making US/UK flags in the middle east. Usually results in looking like a 5 year olds art project!!
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 05:34:05 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 08, 2012, 11:59:21 AM
So basically everyone should just join Alliance and hold hands skipping off into the sunset and pretend that the constitutional problem doesn't exist and that anyone who cares about it and wants to support a party which aims to either maintain or end the union is just an extremist?
What are you on about? You just took that out of thin air.
Although, on that topic, the constitutional question shouldn't matter at all right now. It's something that isn't going to change for the foreseeable future (if it ever does) and it's only dicks like you that indulge and let yourselves be consumed by it, while the rest of us just want to get on with becoming a functioning, sustainable society.
There are far more important things to be dealing with and it's the most frustrating thing about living in the north that we keep being dragged back into this shite by the likes of you.
Jesus that's a bit strong ffs, the flag is still going to be flown on designated days, there is nothing wrong with wanting parity of esteem and equality. its the protesters who are ignoring democracy, if they were bothered to vote they would probably have got their way. i live in a council area where a vote was taken to fly the rag every day of the year, a lot of people don't like it but we don't go protesting and wrecking, we accept we are in the minority here and the majority want the rag up. if injustices and inequality are ignored we will end up back where we were. sf are the majority nationalist party, that tells its own story, i personally don't agree with everything they say but vote for them. there is nothing to stop you voting alliance if you wish. the days of croppie lie down are long gone. ffs you couldn't even wear a GAA top in public when i was younger. you should be more grateful for the sacrifices people have made in the past.
Massive respect to the lads on the board here living up North. Can't imagine what its like to be in close proximity to these idiots on a everyday basis. When I see the stuff like what was on the news there, I can almost feel the blood pressure rising. Don't think I'd last long up your way!
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I doubt if many in Cavan , Monaghan and Donegal would be happy about that .
Quote from: charlieTully on December 08, 2012, 06:29:50 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 05:34:05 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 08, 2012, 11:59:21 AM
So basically everyone should just join Alliance and hold hands skipping off into the sunset and pretend that the constitutional problem doesn't exist and that anyone who cares about it and wants to support a party which aims to either maintain or end the union is just an extremist?
What are you on about? You just took that out of thin air.
Although, on that topic, the constitutional question shouldn't matter at all right now. It's something that isn't going to change for the foreseeable future (if it ever does) and it's only dicks like you that indulge and let yourselves be consumed by it, while the rest of us just want to get on with becoming a functioning, sustainable society.
There are far more important things to be dealing with and it's the most frustrating thing about living in the north that we keep being dragged back into this shite by the likes of you.
Jesus that's a bit strong ffs, the flag is still going to be flown on designated days, there is nothing wrong with wanting parity of esteem and equality. its the protesters who are ignoring democracy, if they were bothered to vote they would probably have got their way. i live in a council area where a vote was taken to fly the rag every day of the year, a lot of people don't like it but we don't go protesting and wrecking, we accept we are in the minority here and the majority want the rag up. if injustices and inequality are ignored we will end up back where we were. sf are the majority nationalist party, that tells its own story, i personally don't agree with everything they say but vote for them. there is nothing to stop you voting alliance if you wish. the days of croppie lie down are long gone. ffs you couldn't even wear a GAA top in public when i was younger. you should be more grateful for the sacrifices people have made in the past.
You're tying the constitutional question in with a lot of other issues there. I was only talking about the constitutional question. The rest of what you talk about in regards to parity of esteem and equality, in my opinion would have came without the struggle over the constitutional question.
I just think it's completely pointless getting caught up in it as realistically it's not going to change for a long time, so let's concentrate on the now. Personally I don't need anyone to tell me my nationality or make it official. I'd rather try and live in relative peace with those around me with my own satisfaction in who I am, especially when the alternative seems to be the sort of crap we've seen over the past week.
I am grateful for the actions of many in the past while appalled at others, but it's a very different situation for nationalists in the present. To restrict yourself to the politics of a union or a united Ireland is ridiculous.
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 06:44:14 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 08, 2012, 06:29:50 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 05:34:05 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 08, 2012, 11:59:21 AM
So basically everyone should just join Alliance and hold hands skipping off into the sunset and pretend that the constitutional problem doesn't exist and that anyone who cares about it and wants to support a party which aims to either maintain or end the union is just an extremist?
What are you on about? You just took that out of thin air.
Although, on that topic, the constitutional question shouldn't matter at all right now. It's something that isn't going to change for the foreseeable future (if it ever does) and it's only dicks like you that indulge and let yourselves be consumed by it, while the rest of us just want to get on with becoming a functioning, sustainable society.
There are far more important things to be dealing with and it's the most frustrating thing about living in the north that we keep being dragged back into this shite by the likes of you.
Jesus that's a bit strong ffs, the flag is still going to be flown on designated days, there is nothing wrong with wanting parity of esteem and equality. its the protesters who are ignoring democracy, if they were bothered to vote they would probably have got their way. i live in a council area where a vote was taken to fly the rag every day of the year, a lot of people don't like it but we don't go protesting and wrecking, we accept we are in the minority here and the majority want the rag up. if injustices and inequality are ignored we will end up back where we were. sf are the majority nationalist party, that tells its own story, i personally don't agree with everything they say but vote for them. there is nothing to stop you voting alliance if you wish. the days of croppie lie down are long gone. ffs you couldn't even wear a GAA top in public when i was younger. you should be more grateful for the sacrifices people have made in the past.
You're tying the constitutional question in with a lot of other issues there. I'm only talking the constitutional question. The rest of what you talk about in regards to parity of esteem and equality, in my opinion would have came without the struggle over the constitutional question.
I just think it's completely pointless getting caught up in it as realistically it's not going to change for a long time, so let's concentrate on the now. Personally I don't need anyone to tell me my nationality or make it official. I'd rather try and live in relative peace with those around me with my own satisfaction in who I am, especially when the alternative seems to be the sort of crap we've seen over the past week.
I am grateful for the actions of many in the past while appalled at others, but it's a very different situation for nationalists in the present. To restrict yourself to the politics of a union or a united Ireland is ridiculous.
if the constitutional question is never spoken about and left aside the younger generations will never care about it and it will never be a possibility (maybe they dont care anyway). its a legitimate aspiration.
Quote from: charlieTully on December 08, 2012, 07:05:00 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 06:44:14 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 08, 2012, 06:29:50 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 05:34:05 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 08, 2012, 11:59:21 AM
So basically everyone should just join Alliance and hold hands skipping off into the sunset and pretend that the constitutional problem doesn't exist and that anyone who cares about it and wants to support a party which aims to either maintain or end the union is just an extremist?
What are you on about? You just took that out of thin air.
Although, on that topic, the constitutional question shouldn't matter at all right now. It's something that isn't going to change for the foreseeable future (if it ever does) and it's only dicks like you that indulge and let yourselves be consumed by it, while the rest of us just want to get on with becoming a functioning, sustainable society.
There are far more important things to be dealing with and it's the most frustrating thing about living in the north that we keep being dragged back into this shite by the likes of you.
Jesus that's a bit strong ffs, the flag is still going to be flown on designated days, there is nothing wrong with wanting parity of esteem and equality. its the protesters who are ignoring democracy, if they were bothered to vote they would probably have got their way. i live in a council area where a vote was taken to fly the rag every day of the year, a lot of people don't like it but we don't go protesting and wrecking, we accept we are in the minority here and the majority want the rag up. if injustices and inequality are ignored we will end up back where we were. sf are the majority nationalist party, that tells its own story, i personally don't agree with everything they say but vote for them. there is nothing to stop you voting alliance if you wish. the days of croppie lie down are long gone. ffs you couldn't even wear a GAA top in public when i was younger. you should be more grateful for the sacrifices people have made in the past.
You're tying the constitutional question in with a lot of other issues there. I'm only talking the constitutional question. The rest of what you talk about in regards to parity of esteem and equality, in my opinion would have came without the struggle over the constitutional question.
I just think it's completely pointless getting caught up in it as realistically it's not going to change for a long time, so let's concentrate on the now. Personally I don't need anyone to tell me my nationality or make it official. I'd rather try and live in relative peace with those around me with my own satisfaction in who I am, especially when the alternative seems to be the sort of crap we've seen over the past week.
I am grateful for the actions of many in the past while appalled at others, but it's a very different situation for nationalists in the present. To restrict yourself to the politics of a union or a united Ireland is ridiculous.
if the constitutional question is never spoken about and left aside the younger generations will never care about it and it will never be a possibility (maybe they dont care anyway). its a legitimate aspiration.
If it's a relevant aspiration people will care about it and it will be a possibility. Whether or not that will be the case I don't know but it's in our history and has formed the way we are. It won't be forgotten about but to let it continue to dictate the way we operate as a society is wrong.
Let's have a go at acting like any other civilised society for a while and take things from there.
Very few other areas/entities/ or whatever you want to call it where there are two lots of people who want to belong to two different States.
Perhaps Kosovo and........
Very hard to be just like anywhere else in a case like that.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 08, 2012, 07:29:31 PM
Very few other areas/entities/ or whatever you want to call it where there are two lots of people who want to belong to two different States.
Perhaps Kosovo and........
Very hard to be just like anywhere else in a case like that.
Fair point, but I don't think it's as hard as it's made out to be by some. My point is that the constitutional question should be shelved or at the least not given the significance it currently has when there is absolutely nothing that can be done to change it for a long time. It just doesn't make sense. Maybe it's because I'm in my 20's and didn't have the same experiences as the generation before me.
The reality of it is that we've been lumped in together because of events in history and because of that we're very different from either those in the Republic or those in the UK. The only way anything will change is if we're able to make a decision collectively as whatever happens will not work without backing across the board.
We're not as Irish as Cork and we're not as British as Finchley. We have to accept that we have a shared identity and maybe it would be worthwhile concentrating on that to see where it took us.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 08, 2012, 06:36:26 PM
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Ulter may be British but Ulster is very much Irish. Across the 9 counties nationalists have a clear majority. Maybe they should drop the Ulter (Ulster) and concentrate on the phrase Northern Ireland.
Ridiculous that police/stewards stood back and let linfield fans have a flag protest on the pitch at half time in Ballinammard today
What a stupid tr**p.
According to this imbred nationalists and republicans also burn the tricolour.
She won't condem! So her flag being lowered through democratic means demands violent protest, attacking the police, breaking the law, stopping commerce, intimidation and preventing people from accessing cities and towns in a safe and unharassed manner. But it is legitimate to burn the flag of a state which is the United Kingdoms closest friend in the world and one of its most important trade partners and also the flag of almost half the people of the 6 counties and the majority of Ulster.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/20654985 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/20654985)
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 07:41:49 PM
We're not as Irish as Cork and we're not as British as Finchley.
What rubbish. Both Ireland and the UK are diverse places. There's no single template for being Irish or British.
Two weeks ago Simon Coveney from the Unionist Fine Gael party was a guest at the DUP conference,at which he boasted that his party and the DUP were the two largest parties on this island.Today the Irish tricolour was burned and a prominent DUP councillor was unable to condemn this?
Quote from: T Fearon on December 08, 2012, 09:01:59 PM
Two weeks ago Simon Coveney from the Unionist Fine Gael party was a guest at the DUP conference,at which he boasted that his party and the DUP were the two largest parties on this island.Today the Irish tricolour was burned and a prominent DUP councillor was unable to condemn this?
Off back licking the arse of the IFA will ya.
You mean Fine Gael aren't unionists and oppose the partition of Ireland? Since when?
Quote from: T Fearon on December 08, 2012, 09:15:17 PM
You mean Fine Gael aren't unionists and oppose the partition of Ireland? Since when?
Fine Gael are not Unionist, so away with your shite talk. Just because you want to believe it, it does not make it so.
Can you provide facts to sustain that argument? No didn't think so!
As I pointed out previously, the recent Irish Times poll showed more interest in a United Ireland among FG voters than SF voters in the 26 counties.
Quote from: hardstation on December 08, 2012, 09:34:42 PM
Fine Gael and loyalists are wee cnuts. True bill.
There might be an argument for Fine Gael being little cnuts, but thats a seperate debate.
Who is "True bill" ???
Quote from: T Fearon on December 08, 2012, 09:31:39 PM
Can you provide facts to sustain that argument? No didn't think so!
Your the one who made the daft assertion, not me :P
FG supported the partitioning of Ireland...that makes them unionists.You support partition,you're a unionist,you oppose partition,you're a nationalist
Quote from: T Fearon on December 08, 2012, 09:58:44 PM
FG supported the partitioning of Ireland...that makes them unionists.You support partition,you're a unionist,you oppose partition,you're a nationalist
They accepted the treaty to break the Union with Britain. They did not support the continued Union of the North of Ireland with Britain. The North briefly left the Union and rejoined it a day or two later, nothing to do with Fine Gael which did not even exist as a political party at that time.
Fine Gael do not support partition.
Take your wild ideas back up the mountain with ya lad.
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 08, 2012, 08:33:09 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 07:41:49 PM
We're not as Irish as Cork and we're not as British as Finchley.
What rubbish. Both Ireland and the UK are diverse places. There's no single template for being Irish or British.
I didn't say they weren't. I'm specifically talking about the identity of the population of the north, which usually gets divided into British/Unionist and Irish/Nationalist and that there is a lot more to it than that. We share a lot more than we differ on. I'm fully aware that you can get a range of sub identities within the two and didn't think I'd need to explain that.
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 05:34:05 PM
Although, on that topic, the constitutional question shouldn't matter at all right now. It's something that isn't going to change for the foreseeable future (if it ever does) and it's only dicks like you that indulge and let yourselves be consumed by it, while the rest of us just want to get on with becoming a functioning, sustainable society.
Has it never occurred to you that the difficulties we are experiencing right now are as a direct result of the
current constitutional position, and the mistakes that have been made in respect of such in the (not so distant) past? Try to dig a little deeper than the painfully obvious symptoms.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on December 08, 2012, 10:14:50 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 05:34:05 PM
Although, on that topic, the constitutional question shouldn't matter at all right now. It's something that isn't going to change for the foreseeable future (if it ever does) and it's only dicks like you that indulge and let yourselves be consumed by it, while the rest of us just want to get on with becoming a functioning, sustainable society.
Has it never occurred to you that the difficulties we are experiencing right now are as a direct result of the current constitutional position, and the mistakes that have been made in respect of such in the (not so distant) past? Try to dig a little deeper than the painfully obvious symptoms.
Could you just elaborate on that a bit. It's easy enough to say but I can't think of any real substance to it. In relation to what I said anyway.
In 400 million years the planet earth won't exist.
Quote from: ONeill on December 08, 2012, 10:27:41 PM
In 400 million years the planet earth won't exist.
That's my point in a sense...
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 10:05:09 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 08, 2012, 08:33:09 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 07:41:49 PM
We're not as Irish as Cork and we're not as British as Finchley.
What rubbish. Both Ireland and the UK are diverse places. There's no single template for being Irish or British.
I didn't say they weren't. I'm specifically talking about the identity of the population of the north, which usually gets divided into British/Unionist and Irish/Nationalist and that there is a lot more to it than that. We share a lot more than we differ on. I'm fully aware that you can get a range of sub identities within the two and didn't think I'd need to explain that.
You said we're "not as Irish as Cork". That's rubbish. What makes Cork more Irish?
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 08, 2012, 10:48:57 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 10:05:09 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 08, 2012, 08:33:09 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 07:41:49 PM
We're not as Irish as Cork and we're not as British as Finchley.
What rubbish. Both Ireland and the UK are diverse places. There's no single template for being Irish or British.
I didn't say they weren't. I'm specifically talking about the identity of the population of the north, which usually gets divided into British/Unionist and Irish/Nationalist and that there is a lot more to it than that. We share a lot more than we differ on. I'm fully aware that you can get a range of sub identities within the two and didn't think I'd need to explain that.
You said we're "not as Irish as Cork". That's rubbish. What makes Cork more Irish?
It was just an example.
I could have picked any place. If you want to be that particular, go on ahead.
What makes anywhere south of the border more Irish than anywhere north of the border?
Quote from: deiseach on December 08, 2012, 10:57:19 PM
What makes anywhere south of the border more Irish than anywhere north of the border?
He probably is adding in the independence of the Irish state element, but not sure that makes somone more Irish, just more a different type of Irish. 26 county and 6 county nationalist culture have been diverging since 1922, the same has happened to 6 county unionist culture and those in the 26 counties whoses grandparents were unionist, most I would think present day grandchildren and greatgrandchildren are mostly nationalist now.
Quote from: deiseach on December 08, 2012, 10:57:19 PM
What makes anywhere south of the border more Irish than anywhere north of the border?
In terms of demographics, yes, it make a difference. I'd say there are few who see themselves as British in Navan compared to Larne.
Quote from: ONeill on December 08, 2012, 11:05:24 PM
Quote from: deiseach on December 08, 2012, 10:57:19 PM
What makes anywhere south of the border more Irish than anywhere north of the border?
In terms of demographics, yes, it make a difference. I'd say there are few who see themselves as British in Navan compared to Larne.
I would say in formally Unionist strongholds in the Republic few would today consider themselves British, maybe some with very fond links with the North or Britain, the Royal family or the British Armed forces but still Irish and probably quite nationalist (at least when it comes to sport).
Quote from: ONeill on December 08, 2012, 10:27:41 PM
In 400 million years the planet earth won't exist.
Nonsense: you're 4.5 billion years out, approximately! ;)
Quote from: deiseach on December 08, 2012, 10:57:19 PM
What makes anywhere south of the border more Irish than anywhere north of the border?
Well it depends on an whatever perception of Irishness you have, but in my opinion we've been under British rule and living alongside a majority population who also consider themselves British for the last few centuries. For better or worse I think this makes us different from those south of the border and in my experience that difference is more evident within the south than here. Most people in the republic seem indifferent to the north these days, and I think this should be an incentive for integration in the north.
It may be a bit simplistic as already mentioned, but I think a dose of reality is needed. We all have our own opinions and beliefs in regards to the future of the border, but pragmatism should be the priority at the present as the border has no hope of changing in the next few decades. We're a joke as a state, but rather than jumping on that and using it as a stick to beat unionists, we should be trying to better our society and develop together, then take on the constitution when it becomes relevant.
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 10:22:00 PM
Could you just elaborate on that a bit. It's easy enough to say but I can't think of any real substance to it. In relation to what I said anyway.
When you have the latest and typical unionist/loyalist reactions to a democratic vote, it's folly to think that those difficulties can be addressed or analysed in isolation, without consideration of the current constitutional situation.
Coalisland Crowd Storm Brackaville Demanding Removal Of Flag
http://tyronetribulations.wordpress.com/2012/12/07/coalisland-crowd-storm-brackaville-demanding-removal-of-flag/
Inspired by the goings on at the City Hall in Belfast earlier in the week, a group calling themselves the Coalisland Restoration Appreciation Party (CRAP) have stormed the Brackaville Social Club tonight, demanding that the Brackaville Owen Roes flag hanging from the guttering is removed before Monday morning or they 'take her down' themselves. CRAP spokesman, Jab Herron, claimed they were willing to tolerate the flying of the flag in the midst of the local club's failed assault on the Ulster title but now that it was at an end, there was no reason to keep it up.
"It's bloody ridiculous. Brackaville is really the outskirts of Coalisland. We call it inner-city Coalisland where the shanty town type families scrape together a living by doing odd jobs like collecting golf balls. Now and again we do tours out to Brackaville for the Primate Dixon ones to show them what happens if you don't do your sums and learn the english. Recently, we discovered that a few Brackaville residents were making forays into Coalisland under the cover of darkness. They were probably drinking the slops in bars or hanging around the back of Landi's for scraps. We need to be vigilant about that. However, this flag flying craic must stop. Sometimes we have to travel through Brackaville to get to other places. We don't need to see those dirty flags goading us. Provocation, all from a movement to follow a team bate by a river in Armagh."
Brackaville Disaster Fund spokesman, Harry Gillis, sees it differently.
"Them fcukers would paint over us if they could. We are Brackaville. We are a people. This great run that the Owen Roes lads performed was a real lift for the community. Ok, we've had to start us a disaster fund to cover the expenses of every family in Brackaville heading to the final last week, but we can survive without tourism from the Island. We have the golf course and a lock of other lads doing stuff like welding. Them hoors are just jealous that we had Sean McNally, probably the best footballer in Tyrone ever after Iggy Jones. We shall not be moved. The flag stays. No surrender."
CRAP have given Brackaville 48 hours to comply or they will dam Barrack Street, cutting off vital supplies like soda bread and the Irish News.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on December 08, 2012, 11:16:54 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 10:22:00 PM
Could you just elaborate on that a bit. It's easy enough to say but I can't think of any real substance to it. In relation to what I said anyway.
When you have the latest and typical unionist/loyalist reactions to a democratic vote, it's folly to think that those difficulties can be addressed or analysed in isolation, without consideration of the current constitutional situation.
I suppose I've went off topic in that what I've been saying is more generic than related to the current situation. Although I see no reason why you can't address the issue within the current constitutional situation. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't understand that at all. The environment we're in isn't changing, so it can be considered till the cows come home but it doesn't make a difference?
On a related note. From what I've seen most unionists are disgusted by what's been going on. Which is why I mentioned the large more liberal unionist section that isn't currently being represented. In saying that I have no proof to back that up and could be completely wrong.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on December 08, 2012, 11:09:59 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 08, 2012, 10:27:41 PM
In 400 million years the planet earth won't exist.
Nonsense: you're 4.5 billion years out, approximately! ;)
Not in terms of life on earth. I don't fancy a boiling Lough Neagh.
PUP ? @OfficialPUP
The blame for all of what has happened across NI this week is firmly at the feet of the IRA.
At least we know whose fault it is now.
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 10:50:14 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 08, 2012, 10:48:57 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 10:05:09 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 08, 2012, 08:33:09 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 07:41:49 PM
We're not as Irish as Cork and we're not as British as Finchley.
What rubbish. Both Ireland and the UK are diverse places. There's no single template for being Irish or British.
I didn't say they weren't. I'm specifically talking about the identity of the population of the north, which usually gets divided into British/Unionist and Irish/Nationalist and that there is a lot more to it than that. We share a lot more than we differ on. I'm fully aware that you can get a range of sub identities within the two and didn't think I'd need to explain that.
You said we're "not as Irish as Cork". That's rubbish. What makes Cork more Irish?
It was just an example.
I could have picked any place. If you want to be that particular, go on ahead.
You could pick any place in Ireland and it still wouldn't make sense.
According to this clearly angry man, we all belong 'down there':
http://www.u.tv/News/Crowds-gather-at-city-hall-protest/d99a0874-5308-4676-826d-2d0723a7cadd
Respect our flag: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20652968
What drugs are Ruth Patterson on?
"I don't condone it but I refuse to condemn it". What a lovely wee Prod she is.
https://twitter.com/TheBareFlagpole/status/277557164984385536
;D
We all have our own history Maguire. Surely its only right that we all should listen to the considered perspectives of others. Looks as if you think he's just black and white wrong.
If feeling Irish was dependant on flag flying on a mast we'd be in a sorry state. In the wee 6 I think a lot of nationalists have learnt to internalize what it is to be Irish and are confident enough not to rely on symbols to display it . Live what it is to be Irish and in good time moderate unionism will at least respect the fact the our culture is a positive force as opposed to the coat trailing negativity of what you need to do (in the eyes of dup and its low IQ droids) to remain British.
Lads be honest, this is f**king comical gold. I haven't got as much craic out of the politics scene since the Iris Robinson thread. Those previous posts from the flagpole and Brackaville along with "no surenderrrrrrrrrrr" woman are cracking me up. They'll betray the dark side of the force when they all see how much craic we are!!
Lay off the sauce Charlie :)
According to the N.I Statistics and Research Agency the whole of Crossmaglen is designated as a "deprived" area.This made me laugh,as the area has more mansions per square mile than any other part of Ireland!
Quote from: T Fearon on December 09, 2012, 07:19:40 AM
According to the N.I Statistics and Research Agency the whole of Crossmaglen is designated as a "deprived" area.This made me laugh,as the area has more mansions per square mile than any other part of Ireland!
It was a typo. They meant 'depraved'. ;)
Quote from: Myles Na G. on December 09, 2012, 08:27:32 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on December 09, 2012, 07:19:40 AM
According to the N.I Statistics and Research Agency the whole of Crossmaglen is designated as a "deprived" area.This made me laugh,as the area has more mansions per square mile than any other part of Ireland!
It was a typo. They meant 'depraved'. ;)
:)
Quote from: charlieTully on December 09, 2012, 03:37:00 AM
Quote from: give her dixie on December 08, 2012, 11:21:01 PM
Coalisland Crowd Storm Brackaville Demanding Removal Of Flag
http://tyronetribulations.wordpress.com/2012/12/07/coalisland-crowd-storm-brackaville-demanding-removal-of-flag/
Inspired by the goings on at the City Hall in Belfast earlier in the week, a group calling themselves the Coalisland Restoration Appreciation Party (CRAP) have stormed the Brackaville Social Club tonight, demanding that the Brackaville Owen Roes flag hanging from the guttering is removed before Monday morning or they 'take her down' themselves. CRAP spokesman, Jab Herron, claimed they were willing to tolerate the flying of the flag in the midst of the local club's failed assault on the Ulster title but now that it was at an end, there was no reason to keep it up.
"It's bloody ridiculous. Brackaville is really the outskirts of Coalisland. We call it inner-city Coalisland where the shanty town type families scrape together a living by doing odd jobs like collecting golf balls. Now and again we do tours out to Brackaville for the Primate Dixon ones to show them what happens if you don't do your sums and learn the english. Recently, we discovered that a few Brackaville residents were making forays into Coalisland under the cover of darkness. They were probably drinking the slops in bars or hanging around the back of Landi's for scraps. We need to be vigilant about that. However, this flag flying craic must stop. Sometimes we have to travel through Brackaville to get to other places. We don't need to see those dirty flags goading us. Provocation, all from a movement to follow a team bate by a river in Armagh."
Brackaville Disaster Fund spokesman, Harry Gillis, sees it differently.
"Them fcukers would paint over us if they could. We are Brackaville. We are a people. This great run that the Owen Roes lads performed was a real lift for the community. Ok, we've had to start us a disaster fund to cover the expenses of every family in Brackaville heading to the final last week, but we can survive without tourism from the Island. We have the golf course and a lock of other lads doing stuff like welding. Them hoors are just jealous that we had Sean McNally, probably the best footballer in Tyrone ever after Iggy Jones. We shall not be moved. The flag stays. No surrender."
CRAP have given Brackaville 48 hours to comply or they will dam Barrack Street, cutting off vital supplies like soda bread and the Irish News.
one night i tried to navigate my way to stewartstown, i had never been so far into east tyrone in my life, this was f**king scary, omagh... the people are nice, coalisland.. i literally counted to ten and prayed, its like the poor mans crossmaglen, stop, i take that back, when one vistits cross, its a sense of pride you feel, even as a down man, cross is JUST real. coalisland is a f**king dump. dungannon is a f**king dump, Omagh is ok, the only place i have ever been in Tyrone where i felt a sense of solidarity was carrickmore.
Who were you courting in Stewartstown ?
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 09, 2012, 12:08:31 AM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 10:50:14 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 08, 2012, 10:48:57 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 10:05:09 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 08, 2012, 08:33:09 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 07:41:49 PM
We're not as Irish as Cork and we're not as British as Finchley.
What rubbish. Both Ireland and the UK are diverse places. There's no single template for being Irish or British.
I didn't say they weren't. I'm specifically talking about the identity of the population of the north, which usually gets divided into British/Unionist and Irish/Nationalist and that there is a lot more to it than that. We share a lot more than we differ on. I'm fully aware that you can get a range of sub identities within the two and didn't think I'd need to explain that.
You said we're "not as Irish as Cork". That's rubbish. What makes Cork more Irish?
It was just an example.
I could have picked any place. If you want to be that particular, go on ahead.
You could pick any place in Ireland and it still wouldn't make sense.
To be honest, I don't even know what your point is. I was just using it as another side to the phrase 'as British as Finchley' and thought that was obvious.
It might be a bit far fetched but I wonder is the recent disturbances linked to reports that the current tranche of EU Peace funding, due to end in 2013, for our local "community workers" won't be renewed.
Loyalists are orchestrating it, the same boys that will receive the funding.
Quote from: Minder on December 09, 2012, 11:23:42 AM
It might be a bit far fetched but I wonder is the recent disturbances linked to reports that the current tranche of EU Peace funding, due to end in 2013, for our local "community workers" won't be renewed.
Loyalists are orchestrating it, the same boys that will receive the funding.
Heard that a few weeks ago Minder but didnt make the connection, you're on to something there.
I see two 13 year olds and a 14 y.o were lifted yesterday for rioting, we know whos fault that was.
Quote from: maggie on December 08, 2012, 11:54:33 PM
PUP ? @OfficialPUP
The blame for all of what has happened across NI this week is firmly at the feet of the IRA.
At least we know whose fault it is now.
Why don't they just fly a flag with this on it?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9f/Belfast_Coat_of_Arms.gif)
Quote from: Gaffer on December 09, 2012, 09:42:46 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 09, 2012, 03:37:00 AM
Quote from: give her dixie on December 08, 2012, 11:21:01 PM
Coalisland Crowd Storm Brackaville Demanding Removal Of Flag
http://tyronetribulations.wordpress.com/2012/12/07/coalisland-crowd-storm-brackaville-demanding-removal-of-flag/
Inspired by the goings on at the City Hall in Belfast earlier in the week, a group calling themselves the Coalisland Restoration Appreciation Party (CRAP) have stormed the Brackaville Social Club tonight, demanding that the Brackaville Owen Roes flag hanging from the guttering is removed before Monday morning or they 'take her down' themselves. CRAP spokesman, Jab Herron, claimed they were willing to tolerate the flying of the flag in the midst of the local club's failed assault on the Ulster title but now that it was at an end, there was no reason to keep it up.
"It's bloody ridiculous. Brackaville is really the outskirts of Coalisland. We call it inner-city Coalisland where the shanty town type families scrape together a living by doing odd jobs like collecting golf balls. Now and again we do tours out to Brackaville for the Primate Dixon ones to show them what happens if you don't do your sums and learn the english. Recently, we discovered that a few Brackaville residents were making forays into Coalisland under the cover of darkness. They were probably drinking the slops in bars or hanging around the back of Landi's for scraps. We need to be vigilant about that. However, this flag flying craic must stop. Sometimes we have to travel through Brackaville to get to other places. We don't need to see those dirty flags goading us. Provocation, all from a movement to follow a team bate by a river in Armagh."
Brackaville Disaster Fund spokesman, Harry Gillis, sees it differently.
"Them fcukers would paint over us if they could. We are Brackaville. We are a people. This great run that the Owen Roes lads performed was a real lift for the community. Ok, we've had to start us a disaster fund to cover the expenses of every family in Brackaville heading to the final last week, but we can survive without tourism from the Island. We have the golf course and a lock of other lads doing stuff like welding. Them hoors are just jealous that we had Sean McNally, probably the best footballer in Tyrone ever after Iggy Jones. We shall not be moved. The flag stays. No surrender."
CRAP have given Brackaville 48 hours to comply or they will dam Barrack Street, cutting off vital supplies like soda bread and the Irish News.
one night i tried to navigate my way to stewartstown, i had never been so far into east tyrone in my life, this was f**king scary, omagh... the people are nice, coalisland.. i literally counted to ten and prayed, its like the poor mans crossmaglen, stop, i take that back, when one vistits cross, its a sense of pride you feel, even as a down man, cross is JUST real. coalisland is a f**king dump. dungannon is a f**king dump, Omagh is ok, the only place i have ever been in Tyrone where i felt a sense of solidarity was carrickmore.
Who were you courting in Stewartstown ?
Charlie, you have wrecked my buzz as just last week I moved from Coalisland to Dungannon. Need to look out for a house in Carrickmore now........
Drunk online. Never a good idea. U get a nice place in the pondarosa?
Quote from: fingerbob on December 09, 2012, 10:38:14 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 09, 2012, 12:08:31 AM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 10:50:14 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 08, 2012, 10:48:57 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 10:05:09 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 08, 2012, 08:33:09 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 07:41:49 PM
We're not as Irish as Cork and we're not as British as Finchley.
What rubbish. Both Ireland and the UK are diverse places. There's no single template for being Irish or British.
I didn't say they weren't. I'm specifically talking about the identity of the population of the north, which usually gets divided into British/Unionist and Irish/Nationalist and that there is a lot more to it than that. We share a lot more than we differ on. I'm fully aware that you can get a range of sub identities within the two and didn't think I'd need to explain that.
You said we're "not as Irish as Cork". That's rubbish. What makes Cork more Irish?
It was just an example.
I could have picked any place. If you want to be that particular, go on ahead.
You could pick any place in Ireland and it still wouldn't make sense.
To be honest, I don't even know what your point is. I was just using it as another side to the phrase 'as British as Finchley' and thought that was obvious.
My point is, you insinuated that Cork is more Irish than Northern Ireland / Northern Ireland is less Irish than Cork. Neither are true. There are, no doubt, huge differences between people in Cork and people in Belfast, but neither is more or less Irish than the other.
Ulster has awakened !!!!
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M7xAGvBqdc)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M7xAGvBqdc
and another one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqvGIhWu1aE&feature=player_embedded
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 09, 2012, 02:08:35 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 09, 2012, 10:38:14 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 09, 2012, 12:08:31 AM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 10:50:14 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 08, 2012, 10:48:57 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 10:05:09 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 08, 2012, 08:33:09 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on December 08, 2012, 07:41:49 PM
We're not as Irish as Cork and we're not as British as Finchley.
What rubbish. Both Ireland and the UK are diverse places. There's no single template for being Irish or British.
I didn't say they weren't. I'm specifically talking about the identity of the population of the north, which usually gets divided into British/Unionist and Irish/Nationalist and that there is a lot more to it than that. We share a lot more than we differ on. I'm fully aware that you can get a range of sub identities within the two and didn't think I'd need to explain that.
You said we're "not as Irish as Cork". That's rubbish. What makes Cork more Irish?
It was just an example.
I could have picked any place. If you want to be that particular, go on ahead.
You could pick any place in Ireland and it still wouldn't make sense.
To be honest, I don't even know what your point is. I was just using it as another side to the phrase 'as British as Finchley' and thought that was obvious.
My point is, you insinuated that Cork is more Irish than Northern Ireland / Northern Ireland is less Irish than Cork. Neither are true. There are, no doubt, huge differences between people in Cork and people in Belfast, but neither is more or less Irish than the other.
Well in that case, I disagree with you. ;)
Quote from: Rossa_SMacM on December 09, 2012, 12:17:48 AM
Respect our flag: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20652968
What drugs are Ruth Patterson on?
"I don't condone it but I refuse to condemn it". What a lovely wee Prod she is.
Ruth has always been a bigoted harpy, and she has always been a complete and utter idiot
Quote from: charlieTully on December 09, 2012, 02:51:36 PM
and another one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqvGIhWu1aE&feature=player_embedded
I thought I'd never see a funny one of those again. Not bad at all.
Quote from: charlieTully on December 09, 2012, 02:03:20 PM
Drunk online. Never a good idea. U get a nice place in the pondarosa?
Tis a beauty Charli. Just need the DLA car to complete the move.......
Quote from: ONeill on December 08, 2012, 11:30:31 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on December 08, 2012, 11:09:59 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 08, 2012, 10:27:41 PM
In 400 million years the planet earth won't exist.
Nonsense: you're 4.5 billion years out, approximately! ;)
Not in terms of life on earth. I don't fancy a boiling Lough Neagh.
Right, so please retract either your logical flaw and/or your terminological flaw:
human life on Planet Earth is
not Planet Earth! :P
(And life on Earth will exist long after we're gone.)
Quote(And life on Earth will exist long after we're gone.)
It depends on how we go.
Fortunately, the loyalist loolas probably can't build fusion bombs.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 09, 2012, 06:46:25 PM
Quote(And life on Earth will exist long after we're gone.)
It depends on how we go.
Fortunately, the loyalist loolas probably can't build fusion bombs.
Nah, they'll have to have learnt how to fly the Butcher's Apron at the vents of boiling guysers at 40,000 leagues under a boiling sea by then! ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on December 09, 2012, 06:48:24 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 09, 2012, 06:46:25 PM
Quote(And life on Earth will exist long after we're gone.)
It depends on how we go.
Fortunately, the loyalist loolas probably can't build fusion bombs.
Nah, they'll have to have learnt how to fly the Butcher's Apron at the vents of boiling guysers at 40,000 leagues under a boiling sea by then! ;)
Might be this one though ;)
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100403152721/althistory/images/1/13/British_Imperial_Flag_1720-1796.png)
how did the protest in Derry's footbridge go today??
Massive turnout -20 sad souls
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 09, 2012, 07:00:40 PM
Massive turnout -20 sad souls
But in spirit that was 1,000,000 ::)
I'm nat retracting nathin. I'm giving it about 1000 years now. Nuclear war/global warming. Probably May 15th 3010. 4.55pm.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 09, 2012, 07:00:40 PM
Massive turnout -20 sad souls
Interesting viewing in the Londonderry sentinel on Wednesday!!!lol!! Crossed it this morn, forgot all about the ensuing protest. I wish day f**k they would protest about the continental market in Derry, cause it is a pile of pish!!The one in Belfast is much better.
Mayo God help us............ how is it in Liverpool? You batoned down the hatches yet??? Are a couple of swallies in Pogues to risky???????
Quote from: ONeill on December 09, 2012, 07:04:48 PM
I'm nat retracting nathin. I'm giving it about 1000 years now. Nuclear war/global warming. Probably May 15th 3010. 4.55pm.
Typical Loughshore, enjoy your (seething) swim! ;)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9mksoLCcAAdIoh.jpg:large)
Quote from: ONeill on December 09, 2012, 07:10:30 PM
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yer wee man in front with a sunglasses, reminds me of a young johnny adair!!!! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Quote from: ONeill on December 09, 2012, 07:10:30 PM
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kent has a population roughly the same as the north of Ireland, 20 people is not a bad wee turn out.
What's this Kent (solidarity) thing about?
Why Kent?
Quote from: Main Street on December 09, 2012, 07:19:06 PM
What's this Kent (solidarity) thing about?
Why Kent?
We are all British my friend from Kent to Shore Road, from Aberdeen to Land's End; we are a union and a union we will remain!!!
Here's the boy who seems to be behind the Kent protest. Seems a nice chap. (Do not click on his link in the second message. You'll be there for 10 mins as I was) https://twitter.com/8urkey
Quote from: theticklemister on December 09, 2012, 07:22:27 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 09, 2012, 07:19:06 PM
What's this Kent (solidarity) thing about?
Why Kent?
We are all British my friend from Kent to Shore Road, from Aberdeen to Land's End; we are a union and a union we will remain!!!
Yeah, you British
arriviste! (Ulster being the last province of Ireland to have been ruled (and least ruled) by Britain, by some four and a half hundred years!... 1169 in Bannow Bay, Flight of Earls in 1607!)
Wonder was Holly aged 8 there? :-) an oldy
Will EG get into trouble for not being there?
Quote from: Rossfan on December 09, 2012, 07:39:41 PM
Will EG get into trouble for not being there?
hahaahahaha.
Some funny boys on this board. You never know, he could well of been; I reckon thats him on the extreme left, all in purple.
Quote from: ONeill on December 09, 2012, 07:10:30 PM
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Quote from: charlieTully on December 09, 2012, 07:15:19 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 09, 2012, 07:10:30 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9mksoLCcAAdIoh.jpg:large)
kent has a population roughly the same as the north of Ireland, 20 people is not a bad wee turn out.
Pity that red-hatted gobshite from the regiment of murdering bastards didn't buy it in a hail of SS lead while floating down at Arnhem
Quote from: red hander on December 09, 2012, 07:43:20 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 09, 2012, 07:15:19 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 09, 2012, 07:10:30 PM
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kent has a population roughly the same as the north of Ireland, 20 people is not a bad wee turn out.
Pity that red-hatted gobshite from the regiment of murdering b**tards didn't buy it in a hail of SS lead while floating down at Arnhem
cnut probably borrowed the gear for the day.
One thing I always fail to understand, those who say they respect a FLAG (loyalist or republican) then have it draped over them like a honcho or tied up in a scarf-like-way around their face. Baffling.
Kent doesn't support Democracy thou apparently.
Quote from: ONeill on December 09, 2012, 07:27:35 PM
Here's the boy who seems to be behind the Kent protest. Seems a nice chap. (Do not click on his link in the second message. You'll be there for 10 mins as I was) https://twitter.com/8urkey
I knew what he was going to look like before I clicked on the link.
England jersey? Check
Pasty skin? Check
Bald head? Check
Fat bastard? Check?
Patriotic Sectarian tats? Check
I bet those people in the Kent photo think that the film "This is England" is a training video.
Quote from: Orior on December 09, 2012, 08:33:19 PM
I bet those people in the Kent photo think that the film "This is England" is a training video.
If you didn't mind a bit of a run, you'd be tempted to shout out 'up the republic' at them.
Or if you can't run fast enough, grab some other Mick and say 'don't move an inch or the Mick gets it'.
There is a guy on fb complaining about SF being terrorists...He is in the British army, the biggest terrorist organisation in the world.
We know all about Sinn Fein being terrorists, but the Alliance Party??
Quote from: bennydorano on December 09, 2012, 07:34:02 PM
Wonder was Holly aged 8 there? :-) an oldy
LMFAO- first the Blue Peter badge, now the union flag- what next?
Next thing they'll force the North's Soccer team to wear green jerseys ::)
Quote from: theticklemister on December 09, 2012, 07:49:40 PM
One thing I always fail to understand, those who say they respect a FLAG (loyalist or republican) then have it draped over them like a honcho or tied up in a scarf-like-way around their face. Baffling.
funnier when they wear Union Jack boxers
I wonder do some of these boys use union jack bog roll?
Quote from: Orior on December 09, 2012, 08:33:19 PM
I bet those people in the Kent photo think that the film "This is England" is a training video.
Eh more like Dads army!
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 09, 2012, 09:27:11 PM
I wonder do some of these boys use union jack bog roll?
they use red hand bogroll in Tir Eoighain.
Probably BNP
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 09, 2012, 08:01:10 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 09, 2012, 07:27:35 PM
Here's the boy who seems to be behind the Kent protest. Seems a nice chap. (Do not click on his link in the second message. You'll be there for 10 mins as I was) https://twitter.com/8urkey
I knew what he was going to look like before I clicked on the link.
England jersey? Check
Pasty skin? Check
Bald head? Check
Fat b**tard? Check?
Patriotic Sectarian tats? Check
You forgot: Union Jack tattoos? Check
Apologies if this has been commented on before - can't be arsed checking back! I was wondering about the identity of the guy who addressed the crowd in front of the city hall. Thought he might be Orange Order or some such, given his Scottish accent. Seems that he's connected with the BNP:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20657873
Minutes of the Strategic Policy Committee meeting that agreed designated days for Lisburn: 12 councillors (inc Edwin Poots) voted for the following and 2 voted against.
(i) is not flown at either of the bowling greens (one at the Lagan Valley Leisureplex and one in Warren Gardens) at any time;
(ii) be flown at the Council flagpole in Castle Street (Castle Gardens, near the War Memorial) on a permanent basis;
(iii) is not flown at the Council Depot at any time;
(iv) be flown at the Council flagpole in Dunmurry on designated days (plus the two additional days), making a total of 19 days; and,
(v) be flown at the Council flagpole in Moira on designated days (plus the two additional days), making a total of 19 days.
http://www.lisburncity.gov.uk/your-city-council/council-minutes-and-reports/index.php?id=545&sr=0&month=10&year=2006&search_keyword&freshform=no
The DUP really have made a mess of this one esp. Poots who has been shown up for exactly what he is.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on December 10, 2012, 08:52:46 AM
Minutes of the Strategic Policy Committee meeting that agreed designated days for Lisburn: 12 councillors (inc Edwin Poots) voted for the following and 2 voted against.
(i) is not flown at either of the bowling greens (one at the Lagan Valley Leisureplex and one in Warren Gardens) at any time;
(ii) be flown at the Council flagpole in Castle Street (Castle Gardens, near the War Memorial) on a permanent basis;
(iii) is not flown at the Council Depot at any time;
(iv) be flown at the Council flagpole in Dunmurry on designated days (plus the two additional days), making a total of 19 days; and,
(v) be flown at the Council flagpole in Moira on designated days (plus the two additional days), making a total of 19 days.
http://www.lisburncity.gov.uk/your-city-council/council-minutes-and-reports/index.php?id=545&sr=0&month=10&year=2006&search_keyword&freshform=no
The DUP really have made a mess of this one esp. Poots who has been shown up for exactly what he is.
The difference is Themmuns didn't propose it.
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on December 08, 2012, 08:03:03 PM
Ridiculous that police/stewards stood back and let linfield fans have a flag protest on the pitch at half time in Ballinammard today
Agreed, disgraceful. Silence from IFA.
Linfield fans also stole Ballinamallard club flag.
Ah now they have lifted a few children, they are taking it very seriously!
Quote from: AQMP on December 10, 2012, 12:32:38 PM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on December 08, 2012, 08:03:03 PM
Ridiculous that police/stewards stood back and let linfield fans have a flag protest on the pitch at half time in Ballinammard today
Agreed, disgraceful. Silence from IFA.
Linfield fans also stole Ballinamallard club flag.
Don't think we should be surprised by ifa or linfield. Couldn't believe that police had to escort 20 loyalists back to the fountain in Derry yesterday. They certainly didn't come down that way and was just a blatant act of antagonisation fr om very small group. This could have led to serious disorder.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 10, 2012, 02:40:10 PM
Quote from: AQMP on December 10, 2012, 12:32:38 PM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on December 08, 2012, 08:03:03 PM
Ridiculous that police/stewards stood back and let linfield fans have a flag protest on the pitch at half time in Ballinammard today
Agreed, disgraceful. Silence from IFA.
Linfield fans also stole Ballinamallard club flag.
Don't think we should be surprised by ifa or linfield. Couldn't believe that police had to escort 20 loyalists back to the fountain in Derry yesterday. They certainly didn't come down that way and was just a blatant act of antagonisation fr om very small group. This could have led to serious disorder.
Ballinamallard Utd FC say they allowed the protest to take place under advice from the PSNI not to enflame a tense situation and that no BUFC spectators took part. So, was that a peaceful protest or using the threat of violence to get your own way??. Frankly they seem more concerned about getting their flag back.
In a quirk of the fixture list they play Cliftonville at home next Saturday. I wonder would a half time protest by Cliftonville fans be received with such understanding ;)
Did anyone see the councillor think she was DUP on the news talking about the burning of the Tricolour at City Hall?
Can anyone tell me the last time they saw a butchers apron burned at a republican gathering or parade? Im genuinely curious to see if this has happened recently.
Quote from: NAG1 on December 10, 2012, 03:40:10 PM
Did anyone see the councillor think she was DUP on the news talking about the burning of the Tricolour at City Hall?
Can anyone tell me the last time they saw a butchers apron burned at a republican gathering or parade? Im genuinely curious to see if this has happened recently.
She was even more stupid than that, she claimed nationalists burned the tricolour too.
Quote from: Cold tea on December 10, 2012, 12:38:15 PM
Ah now they have lifted a few children, they are taking it very seriously!
9 arrested at a football game in Manchester after Rio gets hit with a coin and the PSNI/RUC arrest a few youngsters after 6 or 7 cops get injured and a few cars damaged (the DUP lad deserved his),,
Hmmm, something doesn't add up Matt.
They're in deep shite now... they've pissed off the Fuhrer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFWXYZgvwTA
QuoteCan anyone tell me the last time they saw a butchers apron burned at a republican gathering or parade? Im genuinely curious to see if this has happened recently.
Burning the Butcher's Apron is not unknown in Belfast where halfwits like to mirror the Loyalists.
It was noted earlier that some loyalist shops were selling tricolours for burning. If a shop in Cullyhanna or Carrickmore started selling Union Jacks for burning how many would they sell?
Quote from: armaghniac on December 10, 2012, 05:29:19 PM
QuoteCan anyone tell me the last time they saw a butchers apron burned at a republican gathering or parade? Im genuinely curious to see if this has happened recently.
Burning the Butcher's Apron is not unknown in Belfast where halfwits like to mirror the Loyalists.
It was noted earlier that some loyalist shops were selling tricolours for burning. If a shop in Cullyhanna or Carrickmore started selling Union Jacks for burning how many would they sell?
Wouldn't be the flags being burned, it would be the shops
Quote from: NAG1 on December 10, 2012, 03:40:10 PM
Did anyone see the councillor think she was DUP on the news talking about the burning of the Tricolour at City Hall?
Can anyone tell me the last time they saw a butchers apron burned at a republican gathering or parade? Im genuinely curious to see if this has happened recently.
This wan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uUfZgRXDZY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uUfZgRXDZY)
Traffic gridlocked in Belfast yet again. This is gettign beyond a joke.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 10, 2012, 05:57:40 PM
Traffic gridlocked in Belfast yet again. This is gettign beyond a joke.
The police are the joke. In any other civilised society this filth would be baton charged off the streets. Here the peelers allow them to bring rush hour traffic to a standstill punishing businesses and hard-working citizens. Getting home from a days work isn't something these scum need to worry about.
Utter scumbags.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 10, 2012, 05:29:19 PM
QuoteCan anyone tell me the last time they saw a butchers apron burned at a republican gathering or parade? Im genuinely curious to see if this has happened recently.
Burning the Butcher's Apron is not unknown in Belfast where halfwits like to mirror the Loyalists.
It was noted earlier that some loyalist shops were selling tricolours for burning. If a shop in Cullyhanna or Carrickmore started selling Union Jacks for burning how many would they sell?
They have a shop in Cullyhanna????????????
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 10, 2012, 05:45:30 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on December 10, 2012, 03:40:10 PM
Did anyone see the councillor think she was DUP on the news talking about the burning of the Tricolour at City Hall?
Can anyone tell me the last time they saw a butchers apron burned at a republican gathering or parade? Im genuinely curious to see if this has happened recently.
This wan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uUfZgRXDZY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uUfZgRXDZY)
That was cringeworthy from the opening moment. What an anecdotal piece of shite.
Quote from: theticklemister on December 10, 2012, 06:38:44 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 10, 2012, 05:29:19 PM
QuoteCan anyone tell me the last time they saw a butchers apron burned at a republican gathering or parade? Im genuinely curious to see if this has happened recently.
Burning the Butcher's Apron is not unknown in Belfast where halfwits like to mirror the Loyalists.
It was noted earlier that some loyalist shops were selling tricolours for burning. If a shop in Cullyhanna or Carrickmore started selling Union Jacks for burning how many would they sell?
They have a shop in Cullyhanna????????????
They'd burn the shop down!
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 10, 2012, 06:45:21 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on December 10, 2012, 06:38:44 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 10, 2012, 05:29:19 PM
QuoteCan anyone tell me the last time they saw a butchers apron burned at a republican gathering or parade? Im genuinely curious to see if this has happened recently.
Burning the Butcher's Apron is not unknown in Belfast where halfwits like to mirror the Loyalists.
It was noted earlier that some loyalist shops were selling tricolours for burning. If a shop in Cullyhanna or Carrickmore started selling Union Jacks for burning how many would they sell?
They have a shop in Cullyhanna????????????
They'd burn the shop down!
The van delivering the Union Jacks to the shop in cullyhanna wouldn't make it to the shop in order for them to sell!!!!
Quote from: Puckoon on December 10, 2012, 06:39:25 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 10, 2012, 05:45:30 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on December 10, 2012, 03:40:10 PM
Did anyone see the councillor think she was DUP on the news talking about the burning of the Tricolour at City Hall?
Can anyone tell me the last time they saw a butchers apron burned at a republican gathering or parade? I'm genuinely curious to see if this has happened recently.
This wan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uUfZgRXDZY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uUfZgRXDZY)
That was cringeworthy from the opening moment. What an anecdotal piece of shite.
someone should make a clip of ruthy and the no surrender babe together. where is the nationalist/republican town she was referring to where her orange/purple/black daddy let her play with the papist serfs?
people in ardoyne get beat of the streets for protesting against orange marches, yet these uda/uvf thugs are given the f**king freedom of Belfast. only matter of time now before jackie boy and the boul winkie are arrested for directing terrorism.... not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dTLPC8-Snwc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dTLPC8-Snwc)
Uncle Andy seen it coming!!!
Quote from: charlieTully on December 10, 2012, 07:16:40 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 10, 2012, 06:39:25 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 10, 2012, 05:45:30 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on December 10, 2012, 03:40:10 PM
Did anyone see the councillor think she was DUP on the news talking about the burning of the Tricolour at City Hall?
Can anyone tell me the last time they saw a butchers apron burned at a republican gathering or parade? I'm genuinely curious to see if this has happened recently.
This wan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uUfZgRXDZY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uUfZgRXDZY)
That was cringeworthy from the opening moment. What an anecdotal piece of shite.
someone should make a clip of ruthy and the no surrender babe together. where is the nationalist/republican town she was referring to where her orange/purple/black daddy let her play with the papist serfs?
people in ardoyne get beat of the streets for protesting against orange marches, yet these uda/uvf thugs are given the f**king freedom of Belfast. only matter of time now before jackie boy and the boul winkie are arrested for directing terrorism.... not.
She's a former bigot, sorry, member of Dungannon Council, so I'm assuming it's my town ... she never played with me in the westend, cos I'd have just ended up strangling the hoor ... and I'd have been at the end of a very long queue
Quote from: ONeill on December 05, 2012, 11:18:34 PM
The Shining 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTvFC7QNc0Q&sns=tw
She works in a Chinese takeaway in Dunmurray. I won't post the no. I am sure she is getting plenty of calls as it is.
https://soundcloud.com/#groove-chicknball-holmes/chicknball-prank-call-to-no
Quote from: charlieTully on December 10, 2012, 07:16:40 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 10, 2012, 06:39:25 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 10, 2012, 05:45:30 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on December 10, 2012, 03:40:10 PM
Did anyone see the councillor think she was DUP on the news talking about the burning of the Tricolour at City Hall?
Can anyone tell me the last time they saw a butchers apron burned at a republican gathering or parade? I'm genuinely curious to see if this has happened recently.
This wan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uUfZgRXDZY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uUfZgRXDZY)
That was cringeworthy from the opening moment. What an anecdotal piece of shite.
someone should make a clip of ruthy and the no surrender babe together. where is the nationalist/republican town she was referring to where her orange/purple/black daddy let her play with the papist serfs?
people in ardoyne get beat of the streets for protesting against orange marches, yet these uda/uvf thugs are given the f**king freedom of Belfast. only matter of time now before jackie boy and the boul winkie are arrested for directing terrorism.... not.
More likely that they will be handed a couple of hundred grand by the OFMDFM to help the local hoods with face painting or calligraphy classes to help them get over their "alienation".
Quote from: Minder on December 10, 2012, 08:13:17 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 10, 2012, 07:16:40 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 10, 2012, 06:39:25 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 10, 2012, 05:45:30 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on December 10, 2012, 03:40:10 PM
Did anyone see the councillor think she was DUP on the news talking about the burning of the Tricolour at City Hall?
Can anyone tell me the last time they saw a butchers apron burned at a republican gathering or parade? I'm genuinely curious to see if this has happened recently.
This wan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uUfZgRXDZY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uUfZgRXDZY)
That was cringeworthy from the opening moment. What an anecdotal piece of shite.
someone should make a clip of ruthy and the no surrender babe together. where is the nationalist/republican town she was referring to where her orange/purple/black daddy let her play with the papist serfs?
people in ardoyne get beat of the streets for protesting against orange marches, yet these uda/uvf thugs are given the f**king freedom of Belfast. only matter of time now before jackie boy and the boul winkie are arrested for directing terrorism.... not.
More likely that they will be handed a couple of hundred grand by the OFMDFM to help the local hoods with face painting or calligraphy classes to help them get over their "alienation".
"riots4cash" was how I've seen it described.
Did anyone see the banner in Ballyclare that said "Democracy Doesn't Work". :o Fascism is obviously the ideology of choice for loyalists.
I'm hearing Naomi's office on the Newtownards Road has gone up in flames ... democracy, loyalism style :-\
Quote from: red hander on December 10, 2012, 08:36:19 PM
I'm hearing Naomi's office on the Newtownards Road has gone up in flames ... democracy, loyalism style :-\
I read there was a car burnt outside her offices.
Quote from: Minder on December 10, 2012, 08:40:31 PM
Quote from: red hander on December 10, 2012, 08:36:19 PM
I'm hearing Naomi's office on the Newtownards Road has gone up in flames ... democracy, loyalism style :-\
I read there was a car burnt outside her offices.
Sorry, you're right Minder. Apparently a cop car was hit by petrol bomb outside her office
I still can't believe this is going on, last year in the riots in England prison sentences totalling more than 1800 years were handed out, the average sentence per person being 16.8 months. Scoop the f**kers throw them in jail and pull their benefits. the police are running round squirting them with their water pistols a f**king joke.
We must be the laughing stock for the rest of the world, rioting over the flying of a flag. This is costing the tax payer a fortune with the security costs and clean ups,
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 10, 2012, 05:45:30 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on December 10, 2012, 03:40:10 PM
Did anyone see the councillor think she was DUP on the news talking about the burning of the Tricolour at City Hall?
Can anyone tell me the last time they saw a butchers apron burned at a republican gathering or parade? Im genuinely curious to see if this has happened recently.
This wan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uUfZgRXDZY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uUfZgRXDZY)
See, I loved my friends. So I did.
SCORE!
The mob are turning on Ian McCrea in Cookstown at the minute
https://twitter.com/trishdevlin
And yesterday in Newry, I got stopped at three separate checkpoints in the space of a mile. Did they see the trouble in Belfast and say feck that we will go down to Newry out of the road?
Estimated £3m worth of trade lost in Belfast on Saturday
Jaysus Gabriel yer ones alright isn't she?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9tLF7UCMAAMDIj.jpg:large)
Something to lighten the mood yet very apt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGRFUu-uWps
Quote from: Puckoon on December 10, 2012, 09:07:49 PM
Jaysus Gabriel yer ones alright isn't she?
Disgusting comment.
Well the only other broad in here is Ruth Patterson...
How long can this sh*t go on for?! Every fecking day for the last week stuck in traffic. It just seems like nothing is being done about it at all. The person who probably got in the most trouble since it started was the guy in the van who had to drive over people to save himself!!
From Sky News Twitter
A petrol bomb was thrown into a police car in East Belfast with an officer still inside, police are treating incident as attempted murder
Quote from: All of a Sludden on December 10, 2012, 09:31:23 PM
From Sky News Twitter
A petrol bomb was thrown into a police car in East Belfast with an officer still inside, police are treating incident as attempted murder
Maybe now Twat Baggott will get his finger outta his hole and start doing his job
Quote from: red hander on December 10, 2012, 09:51:32 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on December 10, 2012, 09:31:23 PM
From Sky News Twitter
A petrol bomb was thrown into a police car in East Belfast with an officer still inside, police are treating incident as attempted murder
Maybe now t**t Baggott will get his finger outta his hole and start doing his job
Hmm either he is useless or his hands are tied. Either way the peelers are stewards rather than policemen. If some boy in Ardoyne threw a petrol bomb into a manned police car the thrower would get two in the chest and the peeler would be within his rights to do it. The softly softly approach of the past few years is an embarrassment.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 10, 2012, 09:54:40 PM
Quote from: red hander on December 10, 2012, 09:51:32 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on December 10, 2012, 09:31:23 PM
From Sky News Twitter
A petrol bomb was thrown into a police car in East Belfast with an officer still inside, police are treating incident as attempted murder
Maybe now t**t Baggott will get his finger outta his hole and start doing his job
Hmm either he is useless or his hands are tied. Either way the peelers are stewards rather than policemen. If some boy in Ardoyne threw a petrol bomb into a manned police car the thrower would get two in the chest and the peeler would be within his rights to do it. The softly softly approach of the past few years is an embarrassment.
I know there are nationalist lads in the psni now but its appears very much to still be the RUC under a different name.
Conor Murphy @conormurphymp
Unionist protesters attacked Cu Chulainn bar in Armagh tonight with bricks and fireworks. Local reports say PSNI took no action to stop mob.
Hey, this is 1969 all over again. They will have to bring in the British Army to protect Catholics. Well, protect Alliance anyway who have apparently sold their soul to Eamon De Valera and his cohorts.
Did I ever tell you that (contrary to popular belief) the IRA didn't start the troubles?
It is really getting to be a bit of a joke now. The DUP and UUP must shoulder a lot of the blame for this, how many times through the years have they stoked up bitterness without the will or ability to stop the violence when it starts. And to be very honest some of the PSNI actions have been nothing short of baffling. I still cant understand how these protestors are getting access to areas in which they know will cause trouble.
Just walked past a load of hoods putting tricolours up on the ormeau bridge where there was a protest earlier on. That should end well.
Quote from: fingerbob on December 10, 2012, 10:49:47 PM
Just walked past a load of hoods putting tricolours up on the ormeau bridge where there was a protest earlier on. That should end well.
I thing the bridge ends in Short Strand.
It all augurs well for imminent reunification.
tbh with the other side fighting each other It doesn't cause me sleepless nights but the most frustrating thing about all this as some have already pointed out is the Catholic lads would have been pumped full of lead and left like swiss cheese if they had have done some of these crimes. To even think we'd have been allowed to carry out a protest and block the city centre and other major routes is laughable. ..the fenians would have been beat stupid long before they got a chance to take their flags out.
Where is Evil Genius?
Anyone know what's going on in Armagh? Heard it's kicked off there. The underclass responsible, surprise surprise...
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 10, 2012, 11:07:29 PM
Anyone know what's going on in Armagh? Heard it's kicked off there. The underclass responsible, surprise surprise...
Smashed the windows in on a pub and threw fireworks into the bar
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 10, 2012, 11:02:40 PM
Where is Evil Genius?
A few pages ago he clearly said what he thought of these protesters and it was along the same lines as everyone else so why is everyone looking for him to come on again and say the same.
Tricky one for the cops. If they wail in with batons and plastic bullets it will escalate the situation but letting it go as is looks very bad too. Dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.
Quote from: Itchy on December 10, 2012, 11:14:03 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 10, 2012, 11:02:40 PM
Where is Evil Genius?
A few pages ago he clearly said what he thought of these protesters and it was along the same lines as everyone else so why is everyone looking for him to come on again and say the same.
Must of missed that. He usually gets really involved in such topics, just seemed suprisingly quite is all. Fair enough if he has already commented.
Quote from: EC Unique on December 10, 2012, 11:16:53 PM
Tricky one for the cops. If they wail in with batons and plastic bullets it will escalate the situation but letting it go as is looks very bad too. Dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.
Using reasonable force to protect people and property would be considered the minimum requirement so if it is true they stood by and allowed Rafferty's to be attacked for fear or reprisals then they arent doing their job imo.. It is people above the street cops that decide where these tramps can protest.
David Beckham Set Alight by Rioters For Not Wearing British Flag
Future Finn Harps Player David Beckham has been set ablaze by bigots angry at the footballer for wrapping himself in the Stars and Stripes rather than the Union Jack.
After his farewell appearance for LA Galaxy Bar, in which he won some cup or other, Beckham wrapped himself in the American flag made famous by Bruce Sprignsteen in 1985.
Beckham, who is British, angered many people in Belfast with his decision not to wear the appropriate flag, so he was turned over and set alight.
It is believed that the damage caused to Beckham will cost in the region of $400,000. He is expected to return to full fitness to play in Finn Harps' first game of the season.
http://donegaldollop.wordpress.com/2012/12/04/david-beckham-set-alight-by-rioters-for-not-wearing-british-flag/
Quote from: illdecide on December 10, 2012, 11:00:15 PM
tbh with the other side fighting each other It doesn't cause me sleepless nights but the most frustrating thing about all this as some have already pointed out is the Catholic lads would have been pumped full of lead and left like swiss cheese if they had have done some of these crimes. To even think we'd have been allowed to carry out a protest and block the city centre and other major routes is laughable. ..the fenians would have been beat stupid long before they got a chance to take their flags out.
Indeed. My mind goes back to the mid-90s when Garvaghy Road residents were beat off the road, while taking part in a sitdown protest. While at the same time, Orange Order supporters were allowed to block roads to Airports, Ferry ports and dozens of towns and villages around the North.
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on December 10, 2012, 11:12:17 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 10, 2012, 11:07:29 PM
Anyone know what's going on in Armagh? Heard it's kicked off there. The underclass responsible, surprise surprise...
Smashed the windows in on a pub and threw fireworks into the bar
Was protesters knocked down by a car or something? Fair play to the driver.
Quote from: ONeill on December 11, 2012, 12:04:24 AM
David Beckham Set Alight by Rioters For Not Wearing British Flag
Future Finn Harps Player David Beckham has been set ablaze by bigots angry at the footballer for wrapping himself in the Stars and Stripes rather than the Union Jack.
After his farewell appearance for LA Galaxy Bar, in which he won some cup or other, Beckham wrapped himself in the American flag made famous by Bruce Sprignsteen in 1985.
Beckham, who is British, angered many people in Belfast with his decision not to wear the appropriate flag, so he was turned over and set alight.
It is believed that the damage caused to Beckham will cost in the region of $400,000. He is expected to return to full fitness to play in Finn Harps' first game of the season.
http://donegaldollop.wordpress.com/2012/12/04/david-beckham-set-alight-by-rioters-for-not-wearing-british-flag/
Where will the madness end
The very Rev William 'Singing Wullie' McCrea has dubbed it ethnic cleansing by SF. ::)
Can you complain to the Police Ombudsman or whatever they're called about lack of police action?
What was the story about renaming the RVH?
I didn't catch the story, have just people complaining about it.
Quote from: LeoMc on December 11, 2012, 08:59:25 AM
What was the story about renaming the RVH?
I didn't catch the story, have just people complaining about it.
Gerry Kelly was using it to point out how much Britishness there is around the wee six and the Unionist get hung up on the flag
Did anyone see the clown from Belfast Chamber of Trade blaming SF, SDLP and Alliance for the trouble? I see Robinson and Nesbitt have been meeting to discuss ways to promote "British Culture" in NI.
I saw that yeah. I wonder what party he was from.
So the key political points now are not how do we stop rioting, how do we get businesses back to normal, how to we get to the point where policemens lives are not at risk. It's how do we get "our" flag flying more and promote our britishness.
These are the guys responsible for our futures. You couldn't make this shit up.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 11, 2012, 09:27:22 AM
I saw that yeah. I wonder what party he was from.
So the key political points now are not how do we stop rioting, how do we get businesses back to normal, how to we get to the point where policemens lives are not at risk. It's how do we get "our" flag flying more and promote our britishness.
These are the guys responsible for our futures. You couldn't make this shit up.
I saw a tweet the other day "First the UDR, then the RUC, now the Union Flag! Defend our culture!".
In what other place in the world are the army, the police and a flag considered culture?! Seriously skewed sense of priority. No doubt this meeting between Nesbitt and Peter will involve throwing taxpayers money around.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 11, 2012, 09:31:46 AM
I saw a tweet the other day "First the UDR, then the RUC, now the Union Flag! Defend our culture!".
I had a look at twitter about this stuff - some of the stupidity was amazing.
Not a good day to release the Census figures!!
NI is now 48% "Protestant" and 45% "Catholic". Oooh Taigs hit the bar!!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 11, 2012, 09:31:46 AM
In what other place in the world are the army, the police and a flag considered culture?!.
That would be North Korea!
Quote from: AQMP on December 11, 2012, 09:40:21 AM
Not a good day to release the Census figures!!
NI is now 48% "Protestant" and 45% "Catholic". Oooh Taigs hit the bar!!
Ah feck that. I am away to get the snip reversed.
Quote from: AQMP on December 11, 2012, 09:40:21 AM
Not a good day to release the Census figures!!
NI is now 48% "Protestant" and 45% "Catholic". Oooh Taigs hit the bar!!
Yeah, but only 25% of the north consider themselves Irish.
Nothing that I have to say that hasn't really been covered, sickening that these scumbags are being allowed to continue to riot and destroy everything in sight without any action from the RUC. It will be a disgrace if there violence has an end product though and certain politicians give in and amend the ruling made last week with regard to the flag at City Hall - what does it say if those in power give in and do what the scumbags want?
This is comedy gold - Eason's now part of a Sinn Fein plot to further remove the british from Belfast:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/537575_10151193352287947_775692917_n.jpg)
Please let this page be real.....it's be best laugh I had in ages.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on December 11, 2012, 10:02:16 AM
This is comedy gold - Eason's now part of a Sinn Fein plot to further remove the british from Belfast:
I think Easons should have a welcome committee for the protesters tomorrow then:
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF919/698687.jpg)
That has to be taking the piss....
Make sure and hold your flag up the right way so them taigs don't laugh at us. Genius.
Are these poor souls kind enough to post up an itinerary of planned protests anywhere in t'internet? I'm working in N Belfast tomorrow and i don't want to be late home for my spuds.
Quote from: trasna man on December 11, 2012, 09:18:57 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on December 11, 2012, 08:59:25 AM
What was the story about renaming the RVH?
I didn't catch the story, have just people complaining about it.
Gerry Kelly was using it to point out how much Britishness there is around the wee six and the Unionist get hung up on the flag
That would explain it. I thought from some of the reactions he wanted to rename it.
Quote from: Ulick on December 08, 2012, 12:45:31 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 07, 2012, 09:46:08 PM
List of planned protests doing the round on Twitter
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9he3FICMAAT0Lw.jpg)
Not too many in the AM.
From earlier. Don't know how true this is.
Quote from: LeoMc on December 11, 2012, 10:56:48 AM
Quote from: trasna man on December 11, 2012, 09:18:57 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on December 11, 2012, 08:59:25 AM
What was the story about renaming the RVH?
I didn't catch the story, have just people complaining about it.
Gerry Kelly was using it to point out how much Britishness there is around the wee six and the Unionist get hung up on the flag
That would explain it. I thought from some of the reactions he wanted to rename it.
Im sure some would - I remember some going on about renaming Queens to UCB when I was there.
There were no protests planned for Belfast last ngiht though and it went mad. Not sure they're sticking too rigidly to their itinerary....
Quote from: omagh_gael on December 11, 2012, 10:40:36 AM
Are these poor souls kind enough to post up an itinerary of planned protests anywhere in t'internet? I'm working in N Belfast tomorrow and i don't want to be late home for my spuds.
Saw a tweet from Newton Emerson this morning, did a politician come out and say that the PSNI should shut down Facebook to stop the protests being organised online?
Quote from: LeoMc on December 11, 2012, 11:03:39 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on December 11, 2012, 10:40:36 AM
Are these poor souls kind enough to post up an itinerary of planned protests anywhere in t'internet? I'm working in N Belfast tomorrow and i don't want to be late home for my spuds.
Saw a tweet from Newton Emerson this morning, did a politician come out and say that the PSNI should shut down Facebook to stop the protests being organised online?
That's must be why it "crashed" last night ;)
http://newsthump.com/2012/12/11/loyalist-rioters-bemoan-petrol-prices/
Loyalist rioters bemoan petrol prices
As unrest continues in Belfast, loyalists have insisted that the price of petrol is impacting upon their ability to carry out violent protests to an acceptable standard.
Many have insisted that protests against Belfast City Council's decision to fly the union flag at city hall only on certain days, are becoming too expensive.
Rioters claim that petrol is an integral part of voicing their disapproval, and the spiralling fuel costs could see an end to rioting as a visual spectacle.
"I've tried looking at alternatives," said one protester who wished to remain nameless.
"I went to B&Q and I ended buying some synthetic rubber based adhesive."
"Unfortunately, No More Nails bombs don't really cause that much damage, although they do slow things down a bit."
Petrol prices
With reports suggesting that some rioters have been reduced to throwing bricks and stones, protesters have insisted that this doesn't adequately reflect how comprehensively bothered they are.
"The sight of a stone bouncing harmlessly of a riot shield isn't going to make the news headlines," remarked another nameless protester.
"The government need to recognise that burning things is the only way we can get our message across effectively and in an entertaining way."
Minister for the Cabinet Office Francis Maude was sympathetic to the protesters plight, but insisted that everyone had to tighten their belts in the current economic climate.
"Rioters have to make sacrifices like everyone else," he insisted.
"Maybe they could use charcoal briquettes and lighter fluid to make some fiery stones."
"I can't see what could possibly go wrong."
Quote from: AQMP on December 11, 2012, 09:21:32 AM
Did anyone see the clown from Belfast Chamber of Trade blaming SF, SDLP and Alliance for the trouble? I see Robinson and Nesbitt have been meeting to discuss ways to promote "British Culture" in NI.
Saw that clown on last night alright, some sort of warped logic where everyone is to blame except the unionists who don't like democracy at work when it isn't in their favour..
f**k knows what would happen if there was ever a democratic vote to re-unify? Democracy so long as it is our democracy, ye gotta love it!
Who is behind it all ? Who is pulling the strings?
Quote from: seafoid on December 11, 2012, 12:02:20 PM
Who is behind it all ? Who is pulling the strings?
I think it's all more or less social media. I was in Belfast on Saturday, they basically closed down city hall for about an hour or so, had a speech or two that no one could hear, burnt a Tricolour, looked at each other and ended up sporadically walking off to their respective areas to begin the non-peaceful segment of their protests.
Given today's cenus results and the flag issue do any of you feel that there is genuine fear among Unionists, or is this all a case of spides/hoods rioting for the sure hell of it?
I am sure a lot of you will have read this already but just in case-
Northern Ireland became the laughing stock of the world again over the weekend, as die-hard Christmas fans violently protested that Belfast's Christmas tree was no longer going to be on display for 365 days of the year.
Christmas trees, which are only erected over the winter festive season in the rest of the world, have been an all year round fixture at Belfast City Hall for many years. However a recent democratic vote on the matter has seen Belfast follow in the footsteps of Lapland, to adopt the same Christmas tree policy as Santa himself. However some Christmas fans think it's still an affront.
"It's an utter disgrace" said loyal Christmas lover Billy Knuckleson, "I am Christmas through-and-through, and I demand that my insecurities on the matter are reassured at all times by the year round display of a Christmas tree at City Hall!"
When we explained that not even Santa puts up his Christmas tree all year round, and that Belfast is now equal to the North Pole on the matter of erecting a tree, he seemed unmoved.
"I don't care for your rational and reasoned mumbo jumbo" he barked. "It's nice to be equal to our beloved Lapland naturally... but we expect to be MORE equal."
"God Save Santa!!" he shouted finally before rejoining a group of men burning a Christmas tree to make their point about how we should respect Christmas trees.
Santa, who was watching it unfold on TV at his winter palace at the North Pole, was said to be disgusted at the sight of spides rioting in the name of Christmas.
"These rioters don't represent the good name of the Christmas empire I reign over!" he said.
"Plus, If they have a valid point, why do they have their Christmas scarves covering their faces?" he asked one of his elves.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 11, 2012, 12:13:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 11, 2012, 12:02:20 PM
Who is behind it all ? Who is pulling the strings?
I think it's all more or less social media. I was in Belfast on Saturday, they basically closed down city hall for about an hour or so, had a speech or two that no one could hear, burnt a Tricolour, looked at each other and ended up sporadically walking off to their respective areas to begin the non-peaceful segment of their protests.
No point wrecking an area you don't live in if there is funding to be had.
Quote from: southdown on December 11, 2012, 12:20:40 PM
Given today's cenus results and the flag issue do any of you feel that there is genuine fear among Unionists, or is this all a case of spides/hoods rioting for the sure hell of it?
The rioting doesn't start until the evening, they need a chance to wake up - the bastards should get their benefits stopped if caught rioting.
Quote from: seafoid on December 11, 2012, 12:02:20 PM
Who is behind it all ? Who is pulling the strings?
I think there was a BNP Representative speaking on Saturday.
The plan to demonise Alliance to win E Belfast back for a Robinson could all backfire if the BNP come in to provide a political outlet for the working class protestants who are generally treated as canon fodder by the Big House Unionists.
Quote from: Cold tea on December 11, 2012, 12:45:34 PM
Quote from: southdown on December 11, 2012, 12:20:40 PM
Given today's cenus results and the flag issue do any of you feel that there is genuine fear among Unionists, or is this all a case of spides/hoods rioting for the sure hell of it?
The rioting doesn't start until the evening, they need a chance to wake up - the b**tards should get their benefits stopped if caught rioting.
Couldn't agree more, that would put an end to it.
Quote from: Cold tea on December 11, 2012, 12:45:34 PM
Quote from: southdown on December 11, 2012, 12:20:40 PM
Given today's cenus results and the flag issue do any of you feel that there is genuine fear among Unionists, or is this all a case of spides/hoods rioting for the sure hell of it?
The rioting doesn't start until the evening, they need a chance to wake up - the b**tards should get their benefits stopped if caught rioting.
Yip thats right, there is always a large element on both sides of hoods taking an opportunity to wreck all around them . The last time I can remember genuine anger amongst young nationalist peolpe in Derry was 95/96 and the Garvaghy Road debacle. Most of the other disorder since in the town has been organised by sinister adults using yuong hoods to do their dirty work, I am sure a lot of what is going on on the loyalist side at the minute falls into this category too.
Who is behind it?
Simple - it is the DUP. They whipped up a storm so as to get their precious East Belfast seat back from Alliance. Now the monstor they created has taken a life of its own.
I haven't seen one single reference to this carry-on on any Australian News channel. Which goes to prove that outside of the confines of the cesspits these scum live in, no-one gives a fiddler's!
I find the most recent census figures enlightening (especially the religious make-up of Belfast) after having read some clown on BBC NI stating that Belfast was over 70% Protestant.
The siege mentality of the unionist/loyalist population will only be exacerbated so brace yourselves for further demonstations of their Britishness. Yep, my favourite analogy of the cornered rat is ever more appropriate.
And to read that a WPC had a petrol bomb thrown in her car... there was a time not many moons ago when a nationalist child only had to go out to the local shop for a loaf of bread and a pint of milk to be murdered by "security" forces. Hmmmmmm. Wonder why she never drew her weapon and shot the wannabe murderer.
Quote from: Aerlik on December 11, 2012, 01:14:44 PM
And to read that a WPC had a petrol bomb thrown in her car... there was a time not many moons ago when a nationalist child only had to go out to the local shop for a loaf of bread and a pint of milk to be murdered by "security" forces. Hmmmmmm. Wonder why she never drew her weapon and shot the wannabe murderer.
Thats some hyperbole.
Where's the modern day Brian Faulkner and his Vanguard party when we need them? Could this be it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znML1xaCqvQ&feature=endscreen&NR=1
;D
Quote from: nifan on December 11, 2012, 01:27:00 PM
Quote from: Aerlik on December 11, 2012, 01:14:44 PM
And to read that a WPC had a petrol bomb thrown in her car... there was a time not many moons ago when a nationalist child only had to go out to the local shop for a loaf of bread and a pint of milk to be murdered by "security" forces. Hmmmmmm. Wonder why she never drew her weapon and shot the wannabe murderer.
Thats some hyperbole.
It's absolutely ridiculous. Some shite talked on this board.
Quote from: nifan on December 11, 2012, 01:27:00 PM
Quote from: Aerlik on December 11, 2012, 01:14:44 PM
And to read that a WPC had a petrol bomb thrown in her car... there was a time not many moons ago when a nationalist child only had to go out to the local shop for a loaf of bread and a pint of milk to be murdered by "security" forces. Hmmmmmm. Wonder why she never drew her weapon and shot the wannabe murderer.
Thats some hyperbole.
Exaggerated to an extent, yes, but it's very noticeable how these rioters are being treated with kid gloves as opposed to what would happen up in Ardoyne or the likes, do you not think so?
Quote from: johnneycool on December 11, 2012, 01:52:26 PM
Quote from: nifan on December 11, 2012, 01:27:00 PM
Quote from: Aerlik on December 11, 2012, 01:14:44 PM
And to read that a WPC had a petrol bomb thrown in her car... there was a time not many moons ago when a nationalist child only had to go out to the local shop for a loaf of bread and a pint of milk to be murdered by "security" forces. Hmmmmmm. Wonder why she never drew her weapon and shot the wannabe murderer.
Thats some hyperbole.
Exaggerated to an extent, yes, but it's very noticeable how these rioters are being treated with kid gloves as opposed to what would happen up in Ardoyne or the likes, do you not think so?
+1 - they can do what they want, how many arrests has there been, how many of these will come to anything!!!!
Quote from: nifan on December 11, 2012, 01:27:00 PM
Quote from: Aerlik on December 11, 2012, 01:14:44 PM
And to read that a WPC had a petrol bomb thrown in her car... there was a time not many moons ago when a nationalist child only had to go out to the local shop for a loaf of bread and a pint of milk to be murdered by "security" forces. Hmmmmmm. Wonder why she never drew her weapon and shot the wannabe murderer.
Thats some hyperbole.
Julie Livingstone was on her way to the shop when she was killed by the British Army. Majella O'Hare (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12877797) was on her way to Mass. I'm sure there were many other examples.
Quote from: Cold tea on December 11, 2012, 02:09:09 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 11, 2012, 01:52:26 PM
Quote from: nifan on December 11, 2012, 01:27:00 PM
Quote from: Aerlik on December 11, 2012, 01:14:44 PM
And to read that a WPC had a petrol bomb thrown in her car... there was a time not many moons ago when a nationalist child only had to go out to the local shop for a loaf of bread and a pint of milk to be murdered by "security" forces. Hmmmmmm. Wonder why she never drew her weapon and shot the wannabe murderer.
Thats some hyperbole.
Exaggerated to an extent, yes, but it's very noticeable how these rioters are being treated with kid gloves as opposed to what would happen up in Ardoyne or the likes, do you not think so?
+1 - they can do what they want, how many arrests has there been, how many of these will come to anything!!!!
34 arrested over the weekend, 26 charged.
this is pretty much in line with recent riots of both sides ars far as i can see.
Quote from: nifan on December 11, 2012, 02:29:41 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on December 11, 2012, 02:09:09 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 11, 2012, 01:52:26 PM
Quote from: nifan on December 11, 2012, 01:27:00 PM
Quote from: Aerlik on December 11, 2012, 01:14:44 PM
And to read that a WPC had a petrol bomb thrown in her car... there was a time not many moons ago when a nationalist child only had to go out to the local shop for a loaf of bread and a pint of milk to be murdered by "security" forces. Hmmmmmm. Wonder why she never drew her weapon and shot the wannabe murderer.
Thats some hyperbole.
Exaggerated to an extent, yes, but it's very noticeable how these rioters are being treated with kid gloves as opposed to what would happen up in Ardoyne or the likes, do you not think so?
+1 - they can do what they want, how many arrests has there been, how many of these will come to anything!!!!
34 arrested over the weekend, 26 charged.
this is pretty much in line with recent riots of both sides ars far as i can see.
Can't criticise police too much, for a start the protesters are claiming 'heavy handedness' when in reality cops have done fa other than soak the c***ts with the water cannons. I think the idea is to try and sit it out, not give them any excuse to really kick off and hope that they remember Christmas is only two weeks away and forget what they're gurning about. Pragmatic as you can get in this situation.
My only criticism would be of the police being AWOL and letting protesters attack the bar in Armagh last night and to a lesser extent standing by and watching them erect a union flag on a bar in Lurgan.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 11, 2012, 02:40:32 PM
Can't criticise police too much, for a start the protesters are claiming 'heavy handedness' when in reality cops have done fa other than soak the c***ts with the water cannons. I think the idea is to try and sit it out, not give them any excuse to really kick off and hope that they remember Christmas is only two weeks away and forget what they're gurning about. Pragmatic as you can get in this situation.
Hopefully they can do what was done after the london riots (and i remember seeing it done after some riots in the ardoyne) where they used cctv a month or 2 later and lifted the worst culprits when things had calmed down.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 11, 2012, 09:31:46 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 11, 2012, 09:27:22 AM
I saw that yeah. I wonder what party he was from.
So the key political points now are not how do we stop rioting, how do we get businesses back to normal, how to we get to the point where policemens lives are not at risk. It's how do we get "our" flag flying more and promote our britishness.
These are the guys responsible for our futures. You couldn't make this shit up.
I saw a tweet the other day "First the UDR, then the RUC, now the Union Flag! Defend our culture!".
In what other place in the world are the army, the police and a flag considered culture?! Seriously skewed sense of priority. No doubt this meeting between Nesbitt and Peter will involve throwing taxpayers money around.
This shows exactly the mindset as displayed by Ruth Patterson in her speech. Unionists have no sense of what equality or shared future should be. They have a whopping majority of 3% of the population now which entitles them to have the final say! How often down the years have they whined about democracy and yet when they lose the democratic vote the rules are changed.
Quote from: nifan on December 11, 2012, 02:29:41 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on December 11, 2012, 02:09:09 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 11, 2012, 01:52:26 PM
Quote from: nifan on December 11, 2012, 01:27:00 PM
Quote from: Aerlik on December 11, 2012, 01:14:44 PM
And to read that a WPC had a petrol bomb thrown in her car... there was a time not many moons ago when a nationalist child only had to go out to the local shop for a loaf of bread and a pint of milk to be murdered by "security" forces. Hmmmmmm. Wonder why she never drew her weapon and shot the wannabe murderer.
Thats some hyperbole.
Exaggerated to an extent, yes, but it's very noticeable how these rioters are being treated with kid gloves as opposed to what would happen up in Ardoyne or the likes, do you not think so?
+1 - they can do what they want, how many arrests has there been, how many of these will come to anything!!!!
34 arrested over the weekend, 26 charged.
this is pretty much in line with recent riots of both sides ars far as i can see.
Many's a time the RUC lifted a few to keep the media happy only for them to be released or charges dropped once the heat had died down.
Let's see how many spend time at HM's pleasure?
Quote from: johnneycool on December 11, 2012, 03:40:35 PM
Quote from: nifan on December 11, 2012, 02:29:41 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on December 11, 2012, 02:09:09 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 11, 2012, 01:52:26 PM
Quote from: nifan on December 11, 2012, 01:27:00 PM
Quote from: Aerlik on December 11, 2012, 01:14:44 PM
And to read that a WPC had a petrol bomb thrown in her car... there was a time not many moons ago when a nationalist child only had to go out to the local shop for a loaf of bread and a pint of milk to be murdered by "security" forces. Hmmmmmm. Wonder why she never drew her weapon and shot the wannabe murderer.
Thats some hyperbole.
Exaggerated to an extent, yes, but it's very noticeable how these rioters are being treated with kid gloves as opposed to what would happen up in Ardoyne or the likes, do you not think so?
+1 - they can do what they want, how many arrests has there been, how many of these will come to anything!!!!
34 arrested over the weekend, 26 charged.
this is pretty much in line with recent riots of both sides ars far as i can see.
Many's a time the RUC lifted a few to keep the media happy only for them to be released or charges dropped once the heat had died down.
Let's see how many spend time at HM's pleasure?
0. No cases will be pursued once the peelers have been "talked to" by politicians etc.
I still can't believe this is going on, last year in the riots in England prison sentences totalling more than 1800 years were handed out, the average sentence per person being 16.8 months. Scoop the f**kers throw them in jail and pull their benefits. the police are running round squirting them with their water pistols a f**king joke.
We must be the laughing stock for the rest of the world, rioting over the flying of a flag. This is costing the tax payer a fortune with the security costs and clean ups,
Quote from: nifan on December 11, 2012, 02:29:41 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on December 11, 2012, 02:09:09 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 11, 2012, 01:52:26 PM
Quote from: nifan on December 11, 2012, 01:27:00 PM
Quote from: Aerlik on December 11, 2012, 01:14:44 PM
And to read that a WPC had a petrol bomb thrown in her car... there was a time not many moons ago when a nationalist child only had to go out to the local shop for a loaf of bread and a pint of milk to be murdered by "security" forces. Hmmmmmm. Wonder why she never drew her weapon and shot the wannabe murderer.
Thats some hyperbole.
Exaggerated to an extent, yes, but it's very noticeable how these rioters are being treated with kid gloves as opposed to what would happen up in Ardoyne or the likes, do you not think so?
+1 - they can do what they want, how many arrests has there been, how many of these will come to anything!!!!
34 arrested over the weekend, 26 charged.
this is pretty much in line with recent riots of both sides ars far as i can see.
The bit in bold is the important bit - as others have mentioned nothing will come of these. All the bastards should have benefits withdrawn cause not one off these shower of sponging bastards have done a day's work in their lives, that is if you exclude drug dealing.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 11, 2012, 11:31:29 AM
f**k knows what would happen if there was ever a democratic vote to re-unify? Democracy so long as it is our democracy, ye gotta love it!
A new partition line maybe? The missus (American) who has visited a very peaceful Belfast on a few occasions in recent years was asking me what the latest rumpus was about, I was explaining that the Union Jack was only going to be flown at City Hall on 20 days a years from now on.
'Oh, so are they annoyed cos they're going to be flying the tricolor on the other days?'
Will we give that one a try?
I'm in favour of all protestors being taken to Armagh city to do as much damage as possible. Tidy the place up a bit
Watching BBC Newsline, the PSNI seem to be going out of their way to make excuses for loyalist behaviour.
This statelet was founded on the back of a refusal to accept the democratic will of the people of Ireland and retrospectively justified, it is ingrained in the pysche of the unionist population as justifiable, why would they change tactics anytime soon? Truely embarassing stuff, no wonder EG has disappeared - it's indefensible.
Quote from: bennydorano on December 11, 2012, 07:13:09 PM
This statelet was founded on the back of a refusal to accept the democratic will of the people of Ireland and retrospectively justified, it is ingrained in the pysche of the unionist population as justifiable, why would they change tactics anytime soon? Truely embarassing stuff, no wonder EG has disappeared - it's indefensible.
Nail on the proverbial there
Quote from: red hander on December 11, 2012, 07:20:14 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on December 11, 2012, 07:13:09 PM
This statelet was founded on the back of a refusal to accept the democratic will of the people of Ireland and retrospectively justified, it is ingrained in the pysche of the unionist population as justifiable, why would they change tactics anytime soon? Truely embarassing stuff, no wonder EG has disappeared - it's indefensible.
Nail on the proverbial there
Yeah benny, about time ye talked a bit of sense on this board!!! Yer annual renenwal next month was hanging in the balance there.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on December 11, 2012, 06:39:43 PM
Watching BBC Newsline, the PSNI seem to be going out of their way to make excuses for loyalist behaviour.
Did I hear that PSNI chief correctly on that programme about the attack on the bar in Armagh?
As far as I could make out he said " Martin rang us and we sent someone around to talk to him 18 minutes later"
A property is being attacked and one polisman comes around to talk to the owner 18 minutes later?
Quote from: tyssam5 on December 11, 2012, 05:55:31 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 11, 2012, 11:31:29 AM
f**k knows what would happen if there was ever a democratic vote to re-unify? Democracy so long as it is our democracy, ye gotta love it!
A new partition line maybe? The missus (American) who has visited a very peaceful Belfast on a few occasions in recent years was asking me what the latest rumpus was about, I was explaining that the Union Jack was only going to be flown at City Hall on 20 days a years from now on.
'Oh, so are they annoyed cos they're going to be flying the tricolor on the other days?'
Will we give that one a try?
Often wondered if that would happen myself.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 11, 2012, 07:24:53 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on December 11, 2012, 06:39:43 PM
Watching BBC Newsline, the PSNI seem to be going out of their way to make excuses for loyalist behaviour.
Did I hear that PSNI chief correctly on that programme about the attack on the bar in Armagh?
As far as I could make out he said " Martin rang us and we sent someone around to talk to him 18 minutes later"
A property is being attacked and one polisman comes around to talk to the owner 18 minutes later?
A peeler could have walked from the station to Rafferty's in 5 minutes. The excuse doesn't wash either way as the police should have been stewarding these cnuts PREVENTING the attack.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on December 11, 2012, 07:34:27 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on December 11, 2012, 05:55:31 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 11, 2012, 11:31:29 AM
f**k knows what would happen if there was ever a democratic vote to re-unify? Democracy so long as it is our democracy, ye gotta love it!
A new partition line maybe? The missus (American) who has visited a very peaceful Belfast on a few occasions in recent years was asking me what the latest rumpus was about, I was explaining that the Union Jack was only going to be flown at City Hall on 20 days a years from now on.
'Oh, so are they annoyed cos they're going to be flying the tricolor on the other days?'
Will we give that one a try?
Often wondered if that would happen myself.
Whichever side of the line Tyrone is going to be on needs to be made very clear before any votes are cast. Maybe a 30 to 2 split. Tyrone & Donegal : The Rest.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 11, 2012, 07:34:43 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 11, 2012, 07:24:53 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on December 11, 2012, 06:39:43 PM
Watching BBC Newsline, the PSNI seem to be going out of their way to make excuses for loyalist behaviour.
Did I hear that PSNI chief correctly on that programme about the attack on the bar in Armagh?
As far as I could make out he said " Martin rang us and we sent someone around to talk to him 18 minutes later"
A property is being attacked and one polisman comes around to talk to the owner 18 minutes later?
A peeler could have walked from the station to Rafferty's in 5 minutes. The excuse doesn't wash either way as the police should have been stewarding these cnuts PREVENTING the attack.
different story on st Paddys day, plenty of filth about then to ensure an orange march could go ahead without interference.
Quote from: charlieTully on December 11, 2012, 07:41:38 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 11, 2012, 07:34:43 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 11, 2012, 07:24:53 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on December 11, 2012, 06:39:43 PM
Watching BBC Newsline, the PSNI seem to be going out of their way to make excuses for loyalist behaviour.
Did I hear that PSNI chief correctly on that programme about the attack on the bar in Armagh?
As far as I could make out he said " Martin rang us and we sent someone around to talk to him 18 minutes later"
A property is being attacked and one polisman comes around to talk to the owner 18 minutes later?
A peeler could have walked from the station to Rafferty's in 5 minutes. The excuse doesn't wash either way as the police should have been stewarding these cnuts PREVENTING the attack.
different story on st Paddys day, plenty of filth about then to ensure an orange march could go ahead without interference.
Lads what ye complaining about.......... the police force was set up to protect the state. That's what any police force's primary job is. It has been going on for centuries all around the world. Even this rejuvineted RUC will not change.
Even Hitler was upset about this business (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqvGIhWu1aE)
Quote from: theticklemister on December 11, 2012, 07:47:22 PM
Lads what ye complaining about.......... the police force was set up to protect the state. That's what any police force's primary job is. It has been going on for centuries all around the world. Even this rejuvineted RUC will not change.
A police force's first loyalty is supposed to be to the law, not the state.
Quote from: Ulick on December 11, 2012, 02:10:36 PM
Quote from: nifan on December 11, 2012, 01:27:00 PM
Quote from: Aerlik on December 11, 2012, 01:14:44 PM
And to read that a WPC had a petrol bomb thrown in her car... there was a time not many moons ago when a nationalist child only had to go out to the local shop for a loaf of bread and a pint of milk to be murdered by "security" forces. Hmmmmmm. Wonder why she never drew her weapon and shot the wannabe murderer.
Thats some hyperbole.
Julie Livingstone was on her way to the shop when she was killed by the British Army. Majella O'Hare (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12877797) was on her way to Mass. I'm sure there were many other examples.
Be careful what you post, was there not a catholic girl and her dad (a judge) killed on way home from mass? Who was it that attempted to kill and kill them?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 11, 2012, 10:13:24 PM
Quote from: Ulick on December 11, 2012, 02:10:36 PM
Quote from: nifan on December 11, 2012, 01:27:00 PM
Quote from: Aerlik on December 11, 2012, 01:14:44 PM
And to read that a WPC had a petrol bomb thrown in her car... there was a time not many moons ago when a nationalist child only had to go out to the local shop for a loaf of bread and a pint of milk to be murdered by "security" forces. Hmmmmmm. Wonder why she never drew her weapon and shot the wannabe murderer.
Thats some hyperbole.
Julie Livingstone was on her way to the shop when she was killed by the British Army. Majella O'Hare (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12877797) was on her way to Mass. I'm sure there were many other examples.
Be careful what you post, was there not a catholic girl and her dad (a judge) killed on way home from mass? Who was it that attempted to kill and kill them?
I'm sure there was but I was addressing a specific point when Aerlik was accused of using hyperbole. I didn't see any about any other type of killings, please feel free to point it out if I've missed something.
"Flags are fcukin scary"
Who in the north could disagree with that comment
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 11, 2012, 09:38:31 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on December 11, 2012, 07:47:22 PM
Lads what ye complaining about.......... the police force was set up to protect the state. That's what any police force's primary job is. It has been going on for centuries all around the world. Even this rejuvineted RUC will not change.
A police force's first loyalty is supposed to be to the law, not the state.
Who makes the law?
Quote from: theskull1 on December 11, 2012, 10:59:03 PM
"Flags are fcukin scary"
Who in the north could disagree with that comment
Yer flag is the scariest!!! 'yer' people's flag condones looting and robbing, yer people have robbed more people than the offical's robbed post offices!
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 10, 2012, 11:02:40 PM
Where is Evil Genius?
The Vile wan has crawled under his log again.................................................................. No doubt when the dust settles he will come back, arrogant as ever and defend the indefensible!
Quote from: stew on December 11, 2012, 11:49:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 10, 2012, 11:02:40 PM
Where is Evil Genius?
The Vile wan has crawled under his log again.................................................................. No doubt when the dust settles he will come back, arrogant as ever and defend the indefensible!
As has been pointed our previously, he unequivocally condemned the rioters. What more do you want from the man?
Quote from: theticklemister on December 11, 2012, 11:10:23 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 11, 2012, 09:38:31 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on December 11, 2012, 07:47:22 PM
Lads what ye complaining about.......... the police force was set up to protect the state. That's what any police force's primary job is. It has been going on for centuries all around the world. Even this rejuvineted RUC will not change.
A police force's first loyalty is supposed to be to the law, not the state.
Who makes the law?
Irrelevant. Police are there to enforce the law irrespective of what they are or what entity made them.
Quote from: gallsman on December 12, 2012, 12:58:17 AM
Quote from: stew on December 11, 2012, 11:49:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 10, 2012, 11:02:40 PM
Where is Evil Genius?
The Vile wan has crawled under his log again.................................................................. No doubt when the dust settles he will come back, arrogant as ever and defend the indefensible!
As has been pointed our previously, he unequivocally condemned the rioters. What more do you want from the man?
Sackcloth and ashes.
Now, Gallsman, to be fair, in the past he has been known to condemn unequivocally reprehensible conduct (i.e. murder) and in the very same breath revel in its result (i.e. death). You know, like, there's two things I'd love to get rid of—a corrupt justice system and lawyers that have to deal with it, if and only if I deem them Republican sympathizers.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 12, 2012, 02:41:46 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on December 11, 2012, 11:10:23 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 11, 2012, 09:38:31 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on December 11, 2012, 07:47:22 PM
Lads what ye complaining about.......... the police force was set up to protect the state. That's what any police force's primary job is. It has been going on for centuries all around the world. Even this rejuvineted RUC will not change.
A police force's first loyalty is supposed to be to the law, not the state.
Who makes the law?
Irrelevant. Police are there to enforce the law irrespective of what they are or what entity made them.
Not always. It's quite a grey area sometimes when things are trina cheile.
He wasn't talking about what the police actually, do, he was talking about what they're supposed to do.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 12, 2012, 06:15:23 AM
He wasn't talking about what the police actually, do, he was talking about what they're supposed to do.
Surely these threats to Poots and Donaldson are a made up smoke screen to try to divert attention away from a rapidly spiralling nightmare for the DUP?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 12, 2012, 06:15:23 AM
He wasn't talking about what the police actually, do, he was talking about what they're supposed to do.
The law is one thing. How the law is implemented is usually very different.
Power is very subtle. It gets what it wants regardless of the law.
Quote from: NAG1 on December 12, 2012, 08:23:40 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 12, 2012, 06:15:23 AM
He wasn't talking about what the police actually, do, he was talking about what they're supposed to do.
Surely these threats to Poots and Donaldson are a made up smoke screen to try to divert attention away from a rapidly spiralling nightmare for the DUP?
Donaldson is a strange one alright. He has been quiet on the flags issue.
Meanwhile Poots has been quite vocal so I would not be surprised if some numpty made a threat and handed them back a chance to make some "themmuns is as bad" type speeches.
Quote from: stew on December 11, 2012, 11:49:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 10, 2012, 11:02:40 PM
Where is Evil Genius?
The Vile wan has crawled under his log again.................................................................. No doubt when the dust settles he will come back, arrogant as ever and defend the indefensible!
As long as it hasn't got to that situation where some people want the other people beaten up on an equitable basis?
And that would reap some satisfaction that society had some equity?
What is the indefensible situation?
That a governing party representing the majority ethnic group, has stubbornly resisted a constitutional process to shape an equitable society by fomenting division and destruction?
That having made a string of the most inane comments, renewing the faith about the other side being the cause of all ills, twisting this flag issue around into an attack on their British ethnicity by a bunch ungrateful wretches who just do not accept their inherent inferiority?
Quote from: LeoMc on December 12, 2012, 08:46:09 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on December 12, 2012, 08:23:40 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 12, 2012, 06:15:23 AM
He wasn't talking about what the police actually, do, he was talking about what they're supposed to do.
Surely these threats to Poots and Donaldson are a made up smoke screen to try to divert attention away from a rapidly spiralling nightmare for the DUP?
Donaldson is a strange one alright. He has been quiet on the flags issue.
Meanwhile Poots has been quite vocal so I would not be surprised if some numpty made a threat and handed them back a chance to make some "themmuns is as bad" type speeches.
I'll take that back. According to Ken Reid he has been defying the leadership on the flags issue by continuing to call for protests. Still no justification for death threats.
Quote from: LeoMc on December 12, 2012, 10:39:33 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on December 12, 2012, 08:46:09 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on December 12, 2012, 08:23:40 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 12, 2012, 06:15:23 AM
He wasn't talking about what the police actually, do, he was talking about what they're supposed to do.
Surely these threats to Poots and Donaldson are a made up smoke screen to try to divert attention away from a rapidly spiralling nightmare for the DUP?
Donaldson is a strange one alright. He has been quiet on the flags issue.
Meanwhile Poots has been quite vocal so I would not be surprised if some numpty made a threat and handed them back a chance to make some "themmuns is as bad" type speeches.
I'll take that back. According to Ken Reid he has been defying the leadership on the flags issue by continuing to call for protests. Still no justification for death threats.
Good man Jeffrey.
NO SURRENDER!
Quote from: LeoMc on December 12, 2012, 10:39:33 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on December 12, 2012, 08:46:09 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on December 12, 2012, 08:23:40 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 12, 2012, 06:15:23 AM
He wasn't talking about what the police actually, do, he was talking about what they're supposed to do.
Surely these threats to Poots and Donaldson are a made up smoke screen to try to divert attention away from a rapidly spiralling nightmare for the DUP?
Donaldson is a strange one alright. He has been quiet on the flags issue.
Meanwhile Poots has been quite vocal so I would not be surprised if some numpty made a threat and handed them back a chance to make some "themmuns is as bad" type speeches.
I'll take that back. According to Ken Reid he has been defying the leadership on the flags issue by continuing to call for protests. Still no justification for death threats.
Who has threatened him?
Oh, its the dissident republicans, believed Mr Poots.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20686613
Do these types of organisations actually ring the RUC and tell the phone operator 'I'm going to kill Jeffery and Edwin'??
Why would they do that?
Might as well put this here too:
What's with all this pathetic invocation of EG? Is this a variant of the "going out of your way to be offended" syndrome, whereby you go out of your way to find someone likely to have a different viewpoint to yourself (but only on occasions when you sense a potential opportunity to gloat and never on occasions when the shoe might be on the other foot)?
Or is it just another form of coat trailing/marching where you're not wanted, whereby a perceived victory (though that in itself is a pathetic view of the current situation) is worthless unless you can flaunt it before your perceived enemy?
Maybe it is just a straightforward question! Maybe your quote was just an opportunity for you to try to be smug as usual!
The Protestant share of the population has declined significantly in 10 years.
Is the brain drain primarily responsible?
Probably more to do with family sizes.
Quote from: seafoid on December 12, 2012, 11:07:45 AM
The Protestant share of the population has declined significantly in 10 years.
Is the brain drain primarily responsible?
That is special in terms of the debate this thread is all about. ;)
Was it meant to be a joke?
@ Johnneycool
Jeremy's threat was written in a sympathy card and posted to a newspaper office (not 100% sure if it was a newspaper office) according to Nolan this morning.
In other news...the boul Willie (no, not that one!) to be seen at a street corner near you??
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-20691234
Quote from: NAG1 on December 12, 2012, 08:23:40 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 12, 2012, 06:15:23 AM
He wasn't talking about what the police actually, do, he was talking about what they're supposed to do.
Surely these threats to Poots and Donaldson are a made up smoke screen to try to divert attention away from a rapidly spiralling nightmare for the DUP?
Thats the first thing I thought of this morning when I heard the news.
Darren Clarke
@DarrenClarke60
I'm proud to be from NI and always will be but this rioting only gives us a negative global image..we need to move forward together! #flegs
We have had our darkest days in NI...keep them there. It's time to respect democracy..the future is our children..let them have a better NI!
Quote from: Hardy on December 12, 2012, 10:53:21 AM
Might as well put this here too:
What's with all this pathetic invocation of EG? Is this a variant of the "going out of your way to be offended" syndrome, whereby you go out of your way to find someone likely to have a different viewpoint to yourself (but only on occasions when you sense a potential opportunity to gloat and never on occasions when the shoe might be on the other foot)?
Or is it just another form of coat trailing/marching where you're not wanted, whereby a perceived victory (though that in itself is a pathetic view of the current situation) is worthless unless you can flaunt it before your perceived enemy?
Good post Hardy. In total agreement.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 12, 2012, 01:03:38 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on December 12, 2012, 08:23:40 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 12, 2012, 06:15:23 AM
He wasn't talking about what the police actually, do, he was talking about what they're supposed to do.
Surely these threats to Poots and Donaldson are a made up smoke screen to try to divert attention away from a rapidly spiralling nightmare for the DUP?
Thats the first thing I thought of this morning when I heard the news.
True.
The DUP created a monster with their leaflet drop, and now want to step away.
Quote from: ballinaman on December 12, 2012, 01:06:39 PM
Darren Clarke
@DarrenClarke60
I'm proud to be from NI and always will be but this rioting only gives us a negative global image..we need to move forward together! #flegs
We have had our darkest days in NI...keep them there. It's time to respect democracy..the future is our children..let them have a better NI!
Oh dear. Poor Darren will now be up there with Holly (aged 8) from Kent.
I must admit i dont fully believe the threats to Donaldson and Poots either. The dissidents might not be the sharpest tools in the box but even they must know that these two have done the nationalist cause more good than damage. Smoke screen for me tbh
Just seen a picture on rte news of a road block on donegall road with a placard saying welcome to british south belfast.
Does this mean that the loyalist protesters believe that there is an irish south belfast under the juristiction of the republic? :P
Poots has been hugely irresponsible over the whole thing and to be honest should be stripped of his position. However we all know that won't happen.
Donaldson is no different to he ever was.
Poor show on anyone ringing in these threats.
Everywhere else in the UK the flag only flies on those designated days - I dind't realise this until the other day. So basically Belfast City Hall is now in line with the rest of the UK. So based on that these people are being allowed to be as British as anyone else British. The hipocrisy continues.
Quote from: omagh_gael on December 12, 2012, 12:50:52 PM
@ Johnneycool
Jeremy's threat was written in a sympathy card and posted to a newspaper office (not 100% sure if it was a newspaper office) according to Nolan this morning.
In other news...the boul Willie (no, not that one!) to be seen at a street corner near you??
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-20691234
Right,
so no coded password or the likes..
How can either he or Edwin know who sent it then?
We all know it's a pile of shite to deflect attention.
What do they actually hope to achieve with the protests? Do these people think the council will back track and put the fleg back up?
That tool Billy Hutchinson was on RTE news this morning.
Seems he is now "a second class citizen" and it's all down to "republicans agitating".
Unless the "peace process is reinvigorated" the people who are protesting will continue.
:o ::)
You couldn't make it up
Quote from: EC Unique on December 12, 2012, 02:28:26 PM
What do they actually hope to achieve with the protests? Do these people think the council will back track and put the fleg back up?
No, but the Peter Protestant will get his parliament seat back from the Alliance. Plus more funding for the underprivileged areas, and maybe spelling classes, and the right to coat trail etcetera, etcetera, etcetera
I hope the alliance get a sympathy vote after the way they have been treated and they hold this seat.
I doubt it will happen
Quote from: Cold tea on December 12, 2012, 11:09:43 AM
Probably more to do with family sizes.
In round terms, there are 864,000 people who are or were brought up as Protestants compared to 810,000 Catholics – a difference of just 54,000. A significant narrowing of the sectarian divide from the 2001 census, when there were 890,000 such Protestants and 740,000 such Catholics in Northern Ireland – a difference of 150,000.
Protestants : 864-890 = decline of 26
Catholics : 810- 740 = increase of 70
There must be more catholic births but also more catholics of working age staying in NI
I saw on Facebook that there's a peace rally being organised for Belfast city centre on Sunday (to finish at 12pm) with everyone encouraged to stay in town afterwards and spend money in shops/restaurants/market to help make up for lost trade.
Give their community leaders a free holiday in magaluf with a wee bit of spending money and it will be all over.
Who appoints Joe Jordan as the President of the Belfast chamber of commerce?
Quote from: rossie mad on December 12, 2012, 01:44:58 PM
Just seen a picture on rte news of a road block on donegall road with a placard saying welcome to british south belfast.
Does this mean that the loyalist protesters believe that there is an irish south belfast under the juristiction of the republic? :P
Would that be the same South Belfast that elected a nationalist MP?
Half the ormeau road shut and traffic chaos again >:(
This shit needs to stop.
Tommy im going up to stay in the ormeau tomorrow for a few nights in my mates. He lives beside the errigal- any problems up there??ill he there about 5 tomorro, any protests??
That's where the current protests are! Well they're upper ormeau which is there - that side of the bridge is shut.
I'd say it'd be alright up at the errigle territory - the crappy part would be ormeaua bakery side round ballynafeigh lodge.
Anyone care to venture a guess as to how this all will end?
Quote from: BennyCake on December 12, 2012, 06:22:57 PM
Anyone care to venture a guess as to how this all will end?
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'I haven't gone away you know...............................................................'
Quote from: theticklemister on December 12, 2012, 05:49:40 PM
Tommy im going up to stay in the ormeau tomorrow for a few nights in my mates. He lives beside the errigal- any problems up there??ill he there about 5 tomorro, any protests??
I live beside the dunnes on the upper side of ormeau. Walking back from work at 5 there was just a load of hoods on the lower side with a load of protesters on the upper side with their flags. Road was closed at the bridge but no trouble at all when I was goin past. Don't think it has gotten violent over the past few nights and once you get on up towards the errigle it should be grand.
Heard Billy Hutchinson on the radio yesterday morning, the ravings of a deluded man much like the idiots who drop into line behind him. actually said it was more than about flags at city hall, when asked what they want , he couldn't answer, sounds like a riot to inject money into these loyalist areas again. if these f**kers actually went out and worked or at least try to find a job, they wouldn't have time for this crap. I say 75% out protesting on the roads don't work, they be better protesting looking for job opportunities. the mask drops from time to time and the bitterness flows out. I have alot of protestant friends some of which are in the orange order, and religion barely gets a mention, but we all are annoyed at the traffic jams created by these low life breaking the law, when law abiding citizens cant even get home from work, cant run a business properly, cant vote for their beliefs or what is right without intimidation, cause this is happening. What will happen in the next 20yrs when the make up of the population switches the other way. The big influx of foreign nationals, many from Catholic countries will hold the sway in upcoming yrs
Quote from: Rois on December 12, 2012, 03:31:02 PM
I saw on Facebook that there's a peace rally being organised for Belfast city centre on Sunday (to finish at 12pm) with everyone encouraged to stay in town afterwards and spend money in shops/restaurants/market to help make up for lost trade.
Could be lots of money to be made selling Union and Tricolour flags. All these peacefull protesters wanting to respect the Tricolour by lighting it on fire and respect the Union flag by covering it in phlem while using it as a facemask or covering it in dogshite as they drag it along the street.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 12, 2012, 08:51:30 PM
Heard Billy Hutchinson on the radio yesterday morning, the ravings of a deluded man much like the idiots who drop into line behind him. actually said it was more than about flags at city hall, when asked what they want , he couldn't answer, sounds like a riot to inject money into these loyalist areas again. if these f**kers actually went out and worked or at least try to find a job, they wouldn't have time for this crap. I say 75% out protesting on the roads don't work, they be better protesting looking for job opportunities. the mask drops from time to time and the bitterness flows out. I have alot of protestant friends some of which are in the orange order, and religion barely gets a mention, but we all are annoyed at the traffic jams created by these low life breaking the law, when law abiding citizens cant even get home from work, cant run a business properly, cant vote for their beliefs or what is right without intimidation, cause this is happening. What will happen in the next 20yrs when the make up of the population switches the other way. The big influx of foreign nationals, many from Catholic countries will hold the sway in upcoming yrs
strange too there are no jobs, no prospects etc etc etc yet the foreign nationals who come over, the majority of them can find a job without much difficulty, a lot of these tramps think they are too good for the moy parks etc, give me a foreign national over the schemie loyalist bastards any day.
From what I have noticed the few English & Welsh folk that have commented to me on the flag thing over here, seem to think the Loyalists are a disgrace. I have yet to hear one English or Welsh person here in Liverpool to agree with the protests, the reaction seems to vary between embarrassment to bewilderment. The only Scottish person I have come across to comment on it had rather strong views on what he thought of the Loyalists, but it must be pointed out he also supports Scottish Independence so I reckon I would take his outlook with a pinch of salt. In a city with such a big Orange Order as Liverpool I am slighlty suprised that they are not getting more support, even many of my orange minded Scouser or Norn Iron friends appear to be avoiding the subject on their facebook or in general convo like it is the plague.
Also it seems the Irish now outnumber the British in the 6 counties.
British = 40%
Irish + Northern Irish = 46%
Who are the other 14% though!
If you add in Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal then Ulster must be a very Irish place ;) ;D
Quote from: charlieTully on December 12, 2012, 09:44:30 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 12, 2012, 08:51:30 PM
Heard Billy Hutchinson on the radio yesterday morning, the ravings of a deluded man much like the idiots who drop into line behind him. actually said it was more than about flags at city hall, when asked what they want , he couldn't answer, sounds like a riot to inject money into these loyalist areas again. if these f**kers actually went out and worked or at least try to find a job, they wouldn't have time for this crap. I say 75% out protesting on the roads don't work, they be better protesting looking for job opportunities. the mask drops from time to time and the bitterness flows out. I have alot of protestant friends some of which are in the orange order, and religion barely gets a mention, but we all are annoyed at the traffic jams created by these low life breaking the law, when law abiding citizens cant even get home from work, cant run a business properly, cant vote for their beliefs or what is right without intimidation, cause this is happening. What will happen in the next 20yrs when the make up of the population switches the other way. The big influx of foreign nationals, many from Catholic countries will hold the sway in upcoming yrs
strange too there are no jobs, no prospects etc etc etc yet the foreign nationals who come over, the majority of them can find a job without much difficulty, a lot of these tramps think they are too good for the moy parks etc, give me a foreign national over the schemie loyalist b**tards any day.
No fan of the protesting loyalist fuckwits myself, however, it's not just workshy loyalists who are not too keen on working in the moy parks etc
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 12, 2012, 09:35:27 PM
Quote from: Rois on December 12, 2012, 03:31:02 PM
I saw on Facebook that there's a peace rally being organised for Belfast city centre on Sunday (to finish at 12pm) with everyone encouraged to stay in town afterwards and spend money in shops/restaurants/market to help make up for lost trade.
Could be lots of money to be made selling Union and Tricolour flags. All these peacefull protesters wanting to respect the Tricolour by lighting it on fire and respect the Union flag by covering it in phlem while using it as a facemask or covering it in dogshite as they drag it along the street.
It's a protest against the protests is it jot though? I don't think it's a protest against flags.
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Quote from: Bensars on December 12, 2012, 11:47:44 PM
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Lol. This just sums up these f**k wits. Uneducated waste of good oxygen.
I see Peter has received a death threats;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20706185
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20706185
Bloody hell, he's from Tullycarnet, only over the hills to Peter's place.
This rousing of the rabble could backfire dramatically on the DUP unless they can get the fleg flying for longer at stormont or the likes.
12 pints of cider and what else ?
Quote from: orangeman on December 13, 2012, 11:42:47 AM
12 pints of cider and what else ?
He'd just sat through the loose women show and that's enough to put any man over the edge.
Sad day when a man who speaks some sense ends up disciplined. Taken from the bbc website:
McCrea Disciplined
The Ulster Unionist Party (UUP) leader, Mike Nesbitt, has disciplined one of his MLAs for comments he made during the ongoing union flag dispute.Mr Nesbitt claimed Basil McCrea has done "enormous damage" to the party.The UUP leader said he had "no choice but to remove the party whip" from the Lagan Valley MLA.Mr McCrea had called for all-party talks to resolve the flags issue, following days of loyalist protests, some of which have been violent.He also criticised the decision by the two main unionist parties to take the flags issue to the Assembly Commission.The protests began on 3 December when Belfast councillors voted to restrict the flying of the union flag at the city hall.In a statement on Thursday, Mr Nesbitt said Mr McCrea's "inability to exercise self-discipline or demonstrate the basic characteristics of teamwork are doing enormous damage to the Ulster Unionist Party"."For the reasons of lack of self-discipline and teamwork, and for those reasons only, he has left me no choice but to remove the party whip with immediate effect," the UUP leader added.Following the Belfast City Council decision to restrict the flag at city hall, unionists wanted a consultation process to extend the number of days the union flag is flown at Stormont.A meeting of the Assembly Commission, the cross-party group that manages the Stormont estate, did not go ahead on Tuesday because there were not enough members present.Sinn Fein, the SDLP and Alliance boycotted the meeting.Mr McCrea said the past two weeks had been a "disaster for Northern Ireland, the business community in Belfast and the pro-union family"."The negative images conveyed throughout the world are destroying jobs, businesses and our prospects for peace and prosperity," he said.Mr McCrea said any decision regarding the flying of the union flag at Belfast City Hall was "bound to raise tensions" if not "handled with care"."Political parties in city hall seem determined to obtain maximum short term political advantage with reckless disregard for the future of Northern Ireland," he said.The Lagan Valley MLA said the situation could have been handled in a better way, and used the example of Lisburn City Council where a similar decision was taken in 2006 without large scale civil unrest.'Schism'He called for all-party talks to resolve the flag issue."This issue of flags represents a fundamental schism in our political thinking and it should be dealt with, not in some back room deal where things are pressurised or votes are brought to bear in a way that wasn't meant to happen but by full and frank discussion in a democratic matter," he said."The discussion on flags in their entirety across the whole of Northern Ireland should take place in all- party talks convened for that purpose."
He does talk some sense OG but, if you're a senior member of a political party is this not what happens when you go out on your own (as refreshing as it is to hear for us) with your opinions
Being Party leader...surely Nesbitt had to discipline him
QuoteIn a statement on Thursday, Mr Nesbitt said Mr McCrea's "inability to exercise self-discipline or demonstrate the basic characteristics of teamwork are doing enormous damage to the Ulster Unionist Party"."For the reasons of lack of self-discipline and teamwork, and for those reasons only, he has left me no choice but to remove the party whip with immediate effect," the UUP leader added.
It might be exposing the fact that Nesbitt hasn't taking good counsel before entering this debate and has sat safely in the pack rather than provide a different unionist perspective for fear they'd loose more ground on the DUP
That kind of common sense talk has no place in "British(sic) Ulster(sic)".
The action against this chap will prevent any other Unionist politician addressing the issue of the new demographics or the need to put forward their ideas of how Unionists/British people can be accomodated in a future All Ireland set up.
Nothing like keeping the heads buried in the sand and calling out the hooligan element.
Didn't they try that in Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and the likes without much success in the 1960s? ;)
Quote from: theskull1 on December 13, 2012, 01:29:00 PM
He does talk some sense OG but, if you're a senior member of a political party is this not what happens when you go out on your own (as refreshing as it is to hear for us) with your opinions
Being Party leader...surely Nesbitt had to discipline him
QuoteIn a statement on Thursday, Mr Nesbitt said Mr McCrea's "inability to exercise self-discipline or demonstrate the basic characteristics of teamwork are doing enormous damage to the Ulster Unionist Party"."For the reasons of lack of self-discipline and teamwork, and for those reasons only, he has left me no choice but to remove the party whip with immediate effect," the UUP leader added.
It might be exposing the fact that Nesbitt hasn't taking good counsel before entering this debate and has sat safely in the pack rather than provide a different unionist perspective for fear they'd loose more ground on the DUP
Pretty spot on there skull. Nesbitt appears a bit out of his depth (which, given he is involved in NI politics, is fairly damning).
Fair point theskull. McCrea and McAllister must be near breaking point at this stage with their party. It appears that the majority of their common sense ideas are bulldozed and they get dogs abuse and disciplined. Is the Alliance party a step too far for them? Is there an appetite for a proper middle ground Unionist party out there?
I really hope the silent majority remember these days and give the Alliance their full support in the years ahead. Pandering to the lowest common denominator takes us to no town. This whole notion of needing a flag flying over a building to feel some sense of belonging to where you live is so strange. I would hope that there's a very large group of protestant people living up here who think its just as strange. FFS get out there, fight for your community and make it a better place to live regardless.
Unionist fear of the pro irish institution that is the GAA is to the detriment of a lot of towns and villages across the province. It makes for a great distraction and that sense of belonging.
The union jack flag flying has always struck me as either being insecure or "triumphalist". It always annoys me a wee bit too seeing tricolours out - why does anyone feel the need to fly a flag to make them feel the nationality they are really?
I think it is the lowest common denominator here and doesn't reflect the majority. Several unionist politicians have shown themslves up really badly in the whole thing and shown themselves to either be in the lowest common denominator or to want votes from the lowest common denominator.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 13, 2012, 05:11:26 PM
The union jack flag flying has always struck me as either being insecure or "triumphalist". It always annoys me a wee bit too seeing tricolours out - why does anyone feel the need to fly a flag to make them feel the nationality they are really?
I think it is the lowest common denominator here and doesn't reflect the majority. Several unionist politicians have shown themslves up really badly in the whole thing and shown themselves to either be in the lowest common denominator or to want votes from the lowest common denominator.
It's not just here though. Go to any country in the world and you will see flegs flying about. I've been to Canada, the US the Catalan flag in Barcelona. They place far too much emphasis on it on this Island though I think.
personally i have no time for the tricolour on a lamppost either, nothing abuses a flag more than the misuse of one
Quote from: theskull1 on December 13, 2012, 05:03:11 PM
I really hope the silent majority remember these days and give the Alliance their full support in the years ahead. Pandering to the lowest common denominator takes us to no town. This whole notion of needing a flag flying over a building to feel some sense of belonging to where you live is so strange. I would hope that there's a very large group of protestant people living up here who think its just as strange. FFS get out there, fight for your community and make it a better place to live regardless.
Unionist fear of the pro irish institution that is the GAA is to the detriment of a lot of towns and villages across the province. It makes for a great distraction and that sense of belonging.
Does the same not apply for nationalist / catholic voters too? i.e. Is it okay for the majority of nationalist / catholic voters to continue to vote for the more extremist Sinn Fein? By the same rational, should they too not switch votes to the SDLP
At the end of the day the loyalist communities have been left behind not because of sinn fein, nationalists or Catholics but because of the DUP. The DUP who are quite happy to make the snowballs...as the saying goes. Unless you have a bulging wallet (of legitimate money?) the DUP are happy to leave these communities as they are, like hungry dogs. They know that most of these people do not vote DUP yet they can whip up a frenzy and throw them to the 'front line'. The front line is getting thinner and thinner.....
Michaelg......what were loyalist prisoners in long kesh doing when republicans were studying for their degrees? I'm no lover of all things shinner but I appreciate and acknowledge that they put the work in on the ground and do show leadership in communities. I believe that working class nationalist areas have faired better over the last 30 years and sinn fein were explicitly encouraging these communities to get the most out of the education system over that time. SDLP are drifting unfortunately. So I don't believe that sinn fein are pandering to a lowest common denominator...no
Loyalist lantern protest could cause chaos to flights
Loyalist protesters planning to light up the skies over Northern Ireland with Union flag lanterns this weekend could cause disruption to a number of flights.
Street protests have already caused traffic chaos over the past week-and-a-half and now it is feared aviation could be affected by Saturday's event.
An online campaign is calling on those opposed to the reduction in days the flag is flown at City Hall to release red, white and blue Chinese lanterns into the sky across the country simultaneously.
But there are concerns if thousands take part it could disrupt flights in and out of our airports, particularly if large numbers of lanterns are lit in Belfast.
A spokesperson for the George Best Belfast City Airport said: "The mass release of Chinese lanterns in the vicinity of the airport has the potential to cause short delays to some flights."
Several hundred people have pledged to join in the Facebook-driven campaign 'Light up our sky for the red, white and blue'.
The site reads: "Light lanterns in your own areas, parks or open spaces (on) 15 December at exactly 7.12pm. This must be peaceful.
"This is a peaceful way of getting our point across."
People from across Northern Ireland posted of lantern protests they are planning, including in Belfast, Ballymena, Lisburn.
Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/loyalist-lantern-protest-could-cause-chaos-to-flights-16250478.html#ixzz2F0eYXyWI
Danny Morrisson sent this out in a email in the context of Unionist claims about threats to their Britishness. Excellent piece
"About fifteen years ago I wrote a piece for the Andersonstown News in reaction to a BBC report. Here is an extract, quite apposite given the recent protests about the imminent demise of our Britishness:"
According to the BBC the people of Iraq are being brainwashed. No matter where they turn in Baghdad there are reminders of President Saddam Hussein on every street corner; there are Saddam Avenues and Crescents, Hussein Parks and Drives.
A new board game, folks. Tiddlywinks, played on a map of Belfast. Four can play. North, South, East and West. Each of you have to get your four tiddlies into Royal Avenue without being brainwashed. You can't use the Queen Elizabeth Bridge, the Queen's Bridge, the Albert Bridge, the King's Bridge, Victoria Street, Prince's Street, Queen Street, King Street, Albert Street, the grounds of the Royal Victoria Hospital, a helicopter from the Kings Hall, Lower Windsor Avenue, the fields behind the Royal Academy. Nor can you be disguised as a prostitute from the Albert Clock, a student from Queen's, a worker with Royal Mail, a violinist with the Royal School of Music, a Queen's Counsel, a member of the Royal Ulster Constabulary, a screw of Her Majesty's Prison Service, a soldier with Her Majesty's armed forces, a Crown Court judge. Nor by boat up Victoria Channel to Albert Quay, Victoria Wharf or Alexandra Jetty. You must use the Queen's English on the Queen's Highway or else you'll be in breach of the Queen's Peace.
Not easy, is it!
..........................
A friend has also sent me a paltry list of the totally insufficient number of memorials to the British Military, Stained Glass windows, Statues, Portraits and Artefacts relating to British/Unionist history and identity to be found in Belfast City Hall. This dearth of symbols urgently needs addressed.
Stained Glass Windows:
1. UDR
2. RUC
3. British Army
4. North Irish Horse
5. First World War
6. William 111 and Queen Victoria and Edward V11 in Great Hall
7. Royal Arms Edward V11 Council
8. Royal Arms Edward V11 Reception Room
9. Edward V11 and Alexandra on Main staircase
10. Somme memorial.
Statues
1. Queen Victoria
2. Daniel Dixon Senior Unionist organiser Unionist Convention 1892
3. Edward Harland Unionist MP
4. James Haslett MP and senior Orangeman
5. Robert McMordie Founder YCV
6. Dufferin & Ava
Military
1. Royal Irish Rifles Boer War Statue
2. Cenotaph
3. Korean War memorial stone
4. Somme painting by Beadle
5. Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers Colours
6. YCV memorial east wing
7. Imperial Yeomanry memorial tablet East Wing
8. Old Contemptible flags East Wing
9. 40 military plaques east wing
10. UDR formation plaque
11. Ex servicemen's banner
Portraits
1. Queen Victoria and Edward V11 in Council chamber
2. Field Marshall Henry Wilson
Artefacts
1. Covenant table
2. The monarch chairs in Chamber
3. Civil defence flag
4. Bust Edward Carson
Quote from: glens abu on December 14, 2012, 11:13:36 AM
Stained Glass Windows:
1. UDR
2. RUC
3. British Army
4. North Irish Horse
5. First World War
6. William 111 and Queen Victoria and Edward V11 in Great Hall
7. Royal Arms Edward V11 Council
8. Royal Arms Edward V11 Reception Room
9. Edward V11 and Alexandra on Main staircase
10. Somme memorial.
Statues
1. Queen Victoria
2. Daniel Dixon Senior Unionist organiser Unionist Convention 1892
3. Edward Harland Unionist MP
4. James Haslett MP and senior Orangeman
5. Robert McMordie Founder YCV
6. Dufferin & Ava
Military
1. Royal Irish Rifles Boer War Statue
2. Cenotaph
3. Korean War memorial stone
4. Somme painting by Beadle
5. Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers Colours
6. YCV memorial east wing
7. Imperial Yeomanry memorial tablet East Wing
8. Old Contemptible flags East Wing
9. 40 military plaques east wing
10. UDR formation plaque
11. Ex servicemen's banner
Portraits
1. Queen Victoria and Edward V11 in Council chamber
2. Field Marshall Henry Wilson
Artefacts
1. Covenant table
2. The monarch chairs in Chamber
3. Civil defence flag
4. Bust Edward Carson
You're starting into some severe whataboutery if you are gonna start complaining about Somme, Korean or Boer war commemorations. FFS as many taigs as protestants died on the fields of WW1. There is enough holes in the Unionist flag argument as it is. We don't need to become hysterical.
Quote from: trileacman on December 14, 2012, 11:21:00 AM
You're starting into some severe whataboutery if you are gonna start complaining about Somme, Korean or Boer war commemorations. FFS as many taigs as protestants died on the fields of WW1. There is enough holes in the Unionist flag argument as it is. We don't need to become hysterical.
I don't think anyone is complaining about them; I think people are just pointing out that plenty of the vestiges of British identity still remain in Belfast. I am not offended by a stained-glass window, and I don't think anyone else should be, even if I have no respect for whatever organisation or individual that window commemorates.
Quote from: stibhan on December 14, 2012, 11:50:07 AM
Quote from: trileacman on December 14, 2012, 11:21:00 AM
You're starting into some severe whataboutery if you are gonna start complaining about Somme, Korean or Boer war commemorations. FFS as many taigs as protestants died on the fields of WW1. There is enough holes in the Unionist flag argument as it is. We don't need to become hysterical.
I don't think anyone is complaining about them; I think people are just pointing out that plenty of the vestiges of British identity still remain in Belfast. I am not offended by a stained-glass window, and I don't think anyone else should be, even if I have no respect for whatever organisation or individual that window commemorates.
Counting up the boer war memorials is a bit pendantic, this isn't a point scoring competition. You can make the point (which has been done already) about vestiges of the British empire by choosing a few choice examples. Searching City Hall for banners, statues and busts to annoy you is pure f**king loonacy though, equivalent to the shite current Unionists are broadcasting.
The point is that the memorials and the like in the City Hall are representative of one part of the citizens only.
In present times we hear a lot of about Unionists having given a lot etc, which overlooks the fact that the starting position was profoundly biased and unacceptable and any movement towards the centre is going to involve changes towards greater representation of the nationalist tradition.
Quote from: trileacman on December 14, 2012, 12:30:03 PM
Quote from: stibhan on December 14, 2012, 11:50:07 AM
Quote from: trileacman on December 14, 2012, 11:21:00 AM
You're starting into some severe whataboutery if you are gonna start complaining about Somme, Korean or Boer war commemorations. FFS as many taigs as protestants died on the fields of WW1. There is enough holes in the Unionist flag argument as it is. We don't need to become hysterical.
I don't think anyone is complaining about them; I think people are just pointing out that plenty of the vestiges of British identity still remain in Belfast. I am not offended by a stained-glass window, and I don't think anyone else should be, even if I have no respect for whatever organisation or individual that window commemorates.
Counting up the boer war memorials is a bit pendantic, this isn't a point scoring competition. You can make the point (which has been done already) about vestiges of the British empire by choosing a few choice examples. Searching City Hall for banners, statues and busts to annoy you is pure f**king loonacy though, equivalent to the shite current Unionists are broadcasting.
I understand what you mean here, but I think the general point is that plenty of these things haven't been eroded by Sinn Féin and the SDLP in any way, and that there is still no parity in terms of representation of the Catholic/Nationalist community in official culture. An example would be the fact that, for example, there is no famine memorial in City Hall or indeed anywhere else in the north but there are countless memorials for the war efforts. This is all despite the fact that the Great famine in social, cultural and attritional terms is the defining catastrophe in Irish history - a history to which the people of Ulster were not detached from.
My old History teacher (Wench that she was and still is) explained it pretty well when we were studying it at the time.
"It's like having 2 kids and one of them has a bar of chocolate, when you try and get them to share it all hell breaks loose!"
Quote"It's like having 2 kids and one of them has a bar of chocolate, when you try and get them to share it all hell breaks loose!"
NI is a bit like Harry Potter's house, where the Dudley Durselys are not exactly the sharing type.
Life's like a bar of chocolate.
Quote from: glens abu on December 14, 2012, 11:13:36 AM
Danny Morrisson sent this out in a email in the context of Unionist claims about threats to their Britishness. Excellent piece
"About fifteen years ago I wrote a piece for the Andersonstown News in reaction to a BBC report. Here is an extract, quite apposite given the recent protests about the imminent demise of our Britishness:"
According to the BBC the people of Iraq are being brainwashed. No matter where they turn in Baghdad there are reminders of President Saddam Hussein on every street corner; there are Saddam Avenues and Crescents, Hussein Parks and Drives.
A new board game, folks. Tiddlywinks, played on a map of Belfast. Four can play. North, South, East and West. Each of you have to get your four tiddlies into Royal Avenue without being brainwashed. You can't use the Queen Elizabeth Bridge, the Queen's Bridge, the Albert Bridge, the King's Bridge, Victoria Street, Prince's Street, Queen Street, King Street, Albert Street, the grounds of the Royal Victoria Hospital, a helicopter from the Kings Hall, Lower Windsor Avenue, the fields behind the Royal Academy. Nor can you be disguised as a prostitute from the Albert Clock, a student from Queen's, a worker with Royal Mail, a violinist with the Royal School of Music, a Queen's Counsel, a member of the Royal Ulster Constabulary, a screw of Her Majesty's Prison Service, a soldier with Her Majesty's armed forces, a Crown Court judge. Nor by boat up Victoria Channel to Albert Quay, Victoria Wharf or Alexandra Jetty. You must use the Queen's English on the Queen's Highway or else you'll be in breach of the Queen's Peace.
Not easy, is it!
SF lackey thinks another SF lackey has written an "excellent piece" shocker !
You don't see many Drifters anymore. I remember my father bringing me home a Drifter instead of a Flake. It was the highlight of my youth.
Quote from: stibhan on December 14, 2012, 01:52:13 PM
Quote from: trileacman on December 14, 2012, 12:30:03 PM
Quote from: stibhan on December 14, 2012, 11:50:07 AM
Quote from: trileacman on December 14, 2012, 11:21:00 AM
You're starting into some severe whataboutery if you are gonna start complaining about Somme, Korean or Boer war commemorations. FFS as many taigs as protestants died on the fields of WW1. There is enough holes in the Unionist flag argument as it is. We don't need to become hysterical.
I don't think anyone is complaining about them; I think people are just pointing out that plenty of the vestiges of British identity still remain in Belfast. I am not offended by a stained-glass window, and I don't think anyone else should be, even if I have no respect for whatever organisation or individual that window commemorates.
Counting up the boer war memorials is a bit pendantic, this isn't a point scoring competition. You can make the point (which has been done already) about vestiges of the British empire by choosing a few choice examples. Searching City Hall for banners, statues and busts to annoy you is pure f**king loonacy though, equivalent to the shite current Unionists are broadcasting.
I understand what you mean here, but I think the general point is that plenty of these things haven't been eroded by Sinn Féin and the SDLP in any way, and that there is still no parity in terms of representation of the Catholic/Nationalist community in official culture. An example would be the fact that, for example, there is no famine memorial in City Hall or indeed anywhere else in the north but there are countless memorials for the war efforts. This is all despite the fact that the Great famine in social, cultural and attritional terms is the defining catastrophe in Irish history - a history to which the people of Ulster were not detached from.
The names of the streets are also typical of places with a messy history that doesn't reflect the present
Quote from: glens abu on December 14, 2012, 11:13:36 AM
Danny Morrisson sent this out in a email in the context of Unionist claims about threats to their Britishness. Excellent piece
"About fifteen years ago I wrote a piece for the Andersonstown News in reaction to a BBC report. Here is an extract, quite apposite given the recent protests about the imminent demise of our Britishness:"
According to the BBC the people of Iraq are being brainwashed. No matter where they turn in Baghdad there are reminders of President Saddam Hussein on every street corner; there are Saddam Avenues and Crescents, Hussein Parks and Drives.
A new board game, folks. Tiddlywinks, played on a map of Belfast. Four can play. North, South, East and West. Each of you have to get your four tiddlies into Royal Avenue without being brainwashed. You can't use the Queen Elizabeth Bridge, the Queen's Bridge, the Albert Bridge, the King's Bridge, Victoria Street, Prince's Street, Queen Street, King Street, Albert Street, the grounds of the Royal Victoria Hospital, a helicopter from the Kings Hall, Lower Windsor Avenue, the fields behind the Royal Academy. Nor can you be disguised as a prostitute from the Albert Clock, a student from Queen's, a worker with Royal Mail, a violinist with the Royal School of Music, a Queen's Counsel, a member of the Royal Ulster Constabulary, a screw of Her Majesty's Prison Service, a soldier with Her Majesty's armed forces, a Crown Court judge. Nor by boat up Victoria Channel to Albert Quay, Victoria Wharf or Alexandra Jetty. You must use the Queen's English on the Queen's Highway or else you'll be in breach of the Queen's Peace.
Not easy, is it!
I suppose no chance of Queen Kate's Sister's Arse Car Park
or Prince Harry's Vomit Road coming to fruition in the NI of the future.
Quote from: michaelg on December 13, 2012, 10:27:09 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on December 13, 2012, 05:03:11 PM
I really hope the silent majority remember these days and give the Alliance their full support in the years ahead. Pandering to the lowest common denominator takes us to no town. This whole notion of needing a flag flying over a building to feel some sense of belonging to where you live is so strange. I would hope that there's a very large group of protestant people living up here who think its just as strange. FFS get out there, fight for your community and make it a better place to live regardless.
Unionist fear of the pro irish institution that is the GAA is to the detriment of a lot of towns and villages across the province. It makes for a great distraction and that sense of belonging.
Does the same not apply for nationalist / catholic voters too? i.e. Is it okay for the majority of nationalist / catholic voters to continue to vote for the more extremist Sinn Fein? By the same rational, should they too not switch votes to the SDLP
SF are no longer on the extremes, they have marched quite comfortably on to ground previously the preserve of the SDLP hence the SDLP have no where to go. Unionist insecurity has always been there and partition was the result, it is this awareness of being a minority on the island and seeing it as weakness rather than taking comfort from the size of that minority. Unfortunately when you have also held all the cards over the years any compromise is viewed as a loss. Perhaps the most obvious source of discomfort is the realisation that they are now a minority in what they view as their wee country.
Quote from: Olly on December 14, 2012, 02:36:30 PM
You don't see many Drifters anymore. I remember my father bringing me home a Drifter instead of a Flake. It was the highlight of my youth.
I had a drifter for lunch today, a massively under appreciated chocolate bar. Keep up the good work Olly.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20728991
That makes good reading. I'd be interested to hear his comments on the UUP handling of it mind you.
There's a protest planned for Enniskillen at 8pm in The Diamond if anyone wants to go in case anyone's driving through there tonight.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 14, 2012, 04:54:23 PM
That makes good reading. I'd be interested to hear his comments on the UUP handling of it mind you.
The ultimate hypocrite sniping safely from the Tory red benches and still annoyed that the DUP stole the credit for the 'peace'. I'll tell you what's a cynical ploy, skipping hand and hand down the Garvaghey Road with that oul bastard Paisley after the locals have just been battered off the highway by the so-called forces of law and order
Oh yeah ultimately he's as bad as them but never the less good to see the bad press coming from the unionist side too.
I remember being told by my father that the 1916 Rising was ended by Yeats writing a poem and then Wilfred Owen got wind of this and ended WW1 by writing Dolce eh Decorum eh? I sent this to all the politicians in the hope that my words will ease tensions. It's a sort of freestyle but rhymes.
Why do you want me down?
Oh I see, I do offend.
So take me down and fold me up
When it's time for me, send
A man to get me out
And I'll flutter on designated days.
Don't hate me, I'm a flag.
To honour me it pays
To do so because I'm important.
Like my tricolour friend
We exist but don't be scared
Of me, I'm a flag and don't want to offend
The people of Ireland. I will lie
In my box but don't forget me.
I will fly at certain times
I'm ok with that. Can't you see?
Quote from: Olly on December 14, 2012, 06:18:41 PM
I remember being told by my father that the 1916 Rising was ended by Yeats writing a poem and then Wilfred Owen got wind of this and ended WW1 by writing Dolce eh Decorum eh? I sent this to all the politicians in the hope that my words will ease tensions. It's a sort of freestyle but rhymes.
Why do you want me down?
Oh I see, I do offend.
So take me down and fold me up
When it's time for me, send
A man to get me out
And I'll flutter on designated days.
Don't hate me, I'm a flag.
To honour me it pays
To do so because I'm important.
Like my tricolour friend
We exist but don't be scared
Of me, I'm a flag and don't want to offend
The people of Ireland. I will lie
In my box but don't forget me.
I will fly at certain times
I'm ok with that. Can't you see?
What poem did Yeats 'end the rising' with? Easter, 1916 was the fruit of many month's interrogation of the self by Yeats; unless it was the Rose Tree? But then that didn't predate their deaths. The war went on long enough for Owen to die in it.
Quote from: Olly on December 14, 2012, 06:18:41 PM
I remember being told by my father that the 1916 Rising was ended by Yeats writing a poem and then Wilfred Owen got wind of this and ended WW1 by writing Dolce eh Decorum eh? I sent this to all the politicians in the hope that my words will ease tensions. It's a sort of freestyle but rhymes.
Why do you want me down?
Oh I see, I do offend.
So take me down and fold me up
When it's time for me, send
A man to get me out
And I'll flutter on designated days.
Don't hate me, I'm a flag.
To honour me it pays
To do so because I'm important.
Like my tricolour friend
We exist but don't be scared
Of me, I'm a flag and don't want to offend
The people of Ireland. I will lie
In my box but don't forget me.
I will fly at certain times
I'm ok with that. Can't you see?
:) ;)
Bomb threat phoned into Castle Court; complex evacuated completely by Police who have cordoned off the area.
Quote from: stibhan on December 15, 2012, 04:34:47 PM
Bomb threat phoned into Castle Court; complex evacuated completely by Police who have cordoned off the area.
How much longer are these morons going to get away with this?? Jesus would make ye wonder is it worth raising a family in this place!
Nearly got caught up in the middle of it, was going to park in Castle Court but saw there were spaces in Inst for £3 so availed of it. Went down past the City Hall and into the Market. It was a disgrace, the traders are being hit badly out of it. I hope the flag is worth it.
A Loyalist Lament
God save out poor oul' flag,
Been taken down a peg,
It's not a gag!
Long may it flap on high,
Two-fing'rin' each Fenian eye.
Its loss'll only make me cry,
Dodds, save our fleg.
So now wild yobs like me
Protest "spontaneously,"
Pathetic dregs.
Business will stall and cease
While we piss off the police,
Naomi Long we'll make release
Our own dear rag.
To emblems old we cling
The Sash we fiercely sing
We wear that flag.
But time has passed us by,
Their numbers multiply,
And soon our flag will never fly,
I feel used and shagged.
Is there a bit of ulster scots in that???
Ullans Lament
Am all alone
A have nae wife
A have nae income
And a can't get mae hole
It's no much of a life
A cry loads
And a've nae way a getn mae hole
Am all alone
And a've nae money
So a cannae buy biscuits
Or booze
Or videos
A can only watch DVD's a get free with the newspaper
And ther no much good
An all me clothes are covered in holes
Especially me shoes
An a can't get me hole
It's no much of a life
It's no nice
And a think
Am gonnae do sumthin aboot it thamarra
I'll go down the dole
An say "have ye any a them jobs"
Cus a've never had wan
An a think it cud be good fun
And maybe wen a get a job
And a wee bit o money on me pooket
Maybe then
I'll get mae hole
QuoteAm all alone
A have nae wife
A have nae income
And a can't get mae hole
It's no much of a life
A cry loads
And a've nae way a getn mae hole
Am all alone
And a've nae money
So a cannae buy biscuits
Or booze
Or videos
A can only watch DVD's a get free with the newspaper
And ther no much good
An all me clothes are covered in holes
Especially me shoes
An a can't get me hole
It's no much of a life
It's no nice
And a think
Am gonnae do sumthin aboot it thamarra
I'll go down the dole
An say "have ye any a them jobs"
Cus a've never had wan
An a think it cud be good fun
And maybe wen a get a job
And a wee bit o money on me pooket
Maybe then
I'll get mae hole
excellent
but what about the fleg
You just couln't make this s#+t up it would be hilarious if it weren't for the hassle for the local non-fleg flyers.
http://www.mourneobserver.com/newspic.html
Regarding the flag issue, Mr Reilly said he was "extremely impressed" by a number of foreign nationals who he claimed had attended the protest out of their disgust for the decision to remove the Union flag.
"One Lithuanian man stated that when he lived behind the Iron curtain under Soviet rule people used to dream about British freedom and the Union Jack became an aspirational symbol, the foreign nationals explained that they came here out of a love for the British way of life and want it retained," he concluded.
Quote from: grounded on December 16, 2012, 08:41:05 PM
You just couln't make this s#+t up it would be hilarious if it weren't for the hassle for the local non-fleg flyers.
http://www.mourneobserver.com/newspic.html
Regarding the flag issue, Mr Reilly said he was "extremely impressed" by a number of foreign nationals who he claimed had attended the protest out of their disgust for the decision to remove the Union flag.
"One Lithuanian man stated that when he lived behind the Iron curtain under Soviet rule people used to dream about British freedom and the Union Jack became an aspirational symbol, the foreign nationals explained that they came here out of a love for the British way of life and want it retained," he concluded.
I wonder does the Lithuanian gentleman also agree with the cutting down of goalposts used by kids of Ballymartin GAC on a council owned pitch that happened a short time after the protest. not that the cnuts who carried out this brave act for owc need much excuse, its the third time in a few months its happened.
Here's an oldie, but a goldie...
In a mean abode on the Shankill Road
Lived a man called William Bloat
He had a wife, who was the curse of his life,
Who continually got on his goat.
So one day at dawn, with her nightdress on,
He cut her bloody throat.
With a razor gash, he settled her hash,
Oh never was a crime so quick.
But the steady drip on the pillow slip
Of her lifeblood made him sick,
And the pool of gore on the bedroom floor,
Grew clotted cold and thick.
And yet he was glad
That he'd done what he had
When she lay there stiff and still,
But a sudden awe of the angry law,
Struck his sole with an icy chill.
So to finish the fun so well begun
He resolved himself to kill.
Then he took the sheet off his wife's cold feet,
And made it into a rope.
And he hanged himself from the pantry shelf,
It was an easy end we hope.
In the face of death with his last cold breath,
He earnestly cursed the Pope.
But the strangest turn to the whole concern
Is only just beginning.
He went to hell but his wife got well,
And she's still alive and sinning,
For the razor blade was British made,
But the sheet was Irish linen.
Quote from: charlieTully on December 16, 2012, 11:10:54 PM
Quote from: grounded on December 16, 2012, 08:41:05 PM
You just couln't make this s#+t up it would be hilarious if it weren't for the hassle for the local non-fleg flyers.
http://www.mourneobserver.com/newspic.html
Regarding the flag issue, Mr Reilly said he was "extremely impressed" by a number of foreign nationals who he claimed had attended the protest out of their disgust for the decision to remove the Union flag.
"One Lithuanian man stated that when he lived behind the Iron curtain under Soviet rule people used to dream about British freedom and the Union Jack became an aspirational symbol, the foreign nationals explained that they came here out of a love for the British way of life and want it retained," he concluded.
I wonder does the Lithuanian gentleman also agree with the cutting down of goalposts used by kids of Ballymartin GAC on a council owned pitch that happened a short time after the protest. not that the cnuts who carried out this brave act for owc need much excuse, its the third time in a few months its happened.
Very doubhtful that ever happened unless this "Lithuanian" was one of the many ethnic Russians living in the Baltic states. Of the many Baltic people I have talked to over the years they very much saw the British, their Empire and theirflag along the lines of the Soviet Union.
Quote from: Orior on December 16, 2012, 11:25:06 PM
Here's an oldie, but a goldie...
In a mean abode on the Shankill Road
Lived a man called William Bloat
He had a wife, who was the curse of his life,
Who continually got on his goat.
So one day at dawn, with her nightdress on,
He cut her bloody throat.
With a razor gash, he settled her hash,
Oh never was a crime so quick.
But the steady drip on the pillow slip
Of her lifeblood made him sick,
And the pool of gore on the bedroom floor,
Grew clotted cold and thick.
And yet he was glad
That he'd done what he had
When she lay there stiff and still,
But a sudden awe of the angry law,
Struck his sole with an icy chill.
So to finish the fun so well begun
He resolved himself to kill.
Then he took the sheet off his wife's cold feet,
And made it into a rope.
And he hanged himself from the pantry shelf,
It was an easy end we hope.
In the face of death with his last cold breath,
He earnestly cursed the Pope.
But the strangest turn to the whole concern
Is only just beginning.
He went to hell but his wife got well,
And she's still alive and sinning,
For the razor blade was British made,
But the sheet was Irish linen.
Good man Orior. A classic.
Northern Iron to be brought to a standstill at rush hour this evening, need to give the f**king scumbags a chance to get out of bed I suppose!
Quote from: Cold tea on December 17, 2012, 08:06:20 AM
Northern Iron to be brought to a standstill at rush hour this evening, need to give the f**king scumbags a chance to get out of bed I suppose!
The students have just informed me of this protest tonight, seems they want to stretch the police. The only thing they will stretch is the police's wallets FFS. All happening at 6 apparently
http://twitpic.com/bmpsb0
66 protests organised for 6 this evening by my count...
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 17, 2012, 10:04:59 AM
http://twitpic.com/bmpsb0
66 protests organised for 6 this evening by my count...
No words can describe these fools.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 17, 2012, 10:04:59 AM
http://twitpic.com/bmpsb0
66 protests organised for 6 this evening by my count...
666 the number of the beast! ffs they really are setting about winning the hearts and minds on this one! pity the poor sods who get caught up in any of this dysfunction. as someone who resides in england, there isn't a drop of this being fed through on the news or in the conciousness of people over here, they'd be as clueless as ever though if it was no doubt
down with the fleg, long trample the fleg!
More aggro up in Belfast tonight.. http://t.co/l7PMM0EO
Yep, the dregs and scummery of loyalism are out again over their fleg... I'm sure their, ahem, fellow Britons on the, ahem, mainland are extremely proud of them and wish deeply to be associated with them ... keep banging the nails into your own coffin, you stupid wankers ;D
Quote from: red hander on December 17, 2012, 09:13:52 PM
Yep, the dregs and scummery of loyalism are out again over their fleg... I'm sure their, ahem, fellow Britons on the, ahem, mainland are extremely proud of them and wish deeply to be associated with them ... keep banging the nails into your own coffin, you stupid w**kers ;D
x2.
One got mowed down by a jeep in Portadown tonight. Apparently they're now trying to get down the G Rd!
Quote from: red hander on December 17, 2012, 09:13:52 PM
Yep, the dregs and scummery of loyalism are out again over their fleg... I'm sure their, ahem, fellow Britons on the, ahem, mainland are extremely proud of them and wish deeply to be associated with them ... keep banging the nails into your own coffin, you stupid w**kers ;D
Jaysus, that's a bad cough you have there, red hander ;)
Passed through the Ormeau protest this evening on my way to the market and it pathetic. About a dozen of them were corralled into the middle lanes of the road. The peelers were treating it all as a bit of a joke and instructed me to drive through it. The traders I spoke to at the market didn't think it was all so humorous though - the place was dead. Apparently the place emptied out at lunchtime Saturday as protesters approached and never refilled.
Quote from: red hander on December 17, 2012, 09:13:52 PM
Yep, the dregs and scummery of loyalism are out again over their fleg... I'm sure their, ahem, fellow Britons on the, ahem, mainland are extremely proud of them and wish deeply to be associated with them ... keep banging the nails into your own coffin, you stupid w**kers ;D
I read somewhere earlier, they had a protest outside Glasgow city hall which was addressed by some unionist politician or other - while the Scottish Saltire flew above them.
the centre of armagh was blocked tonight. the police were sending traffic including artics off into the wide blue yonder to get lost/stuck on little country roads around the city. this would never be tolerated in other countries out would come the rubber hoses and the arses would be red not orange
The root cause was the leaflet drop in East Belfast. Could the police not do some detective work, find our who was behind it and then send them the bill for the damaged building and police overtime bill?
Oh no wait, that would mean the police would be even handed.
There's a bit of a furore about a few facebook groups.
I was reading a few comments... The theme seems to be about psni breaching their human rites. One poster made the point that the gates were closed at lanark way and the emergency services couldn't get through if people were hurt.
Once again you couldn't make it up...
Interesting to see how much coverage their comrades on the mainland gave them on the BBC 10'o clock news.
You guessed it. Not a peep. That's how much anyone outside gives a shite about them and their flag.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on December 17, 2012, 10:39:53 PM
Interesting to see how much coverage their comrades on the mainland gave them on the BBC 10'o clock news.
You guessed it. Not a peep. That's how much anyone outside gives a shite about them and their flag.
There was a feature on Newsnight about it
the PSNI are a complete joke.
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on December 17, 2012, 11:08:00 PM
the PSNI are a complete joke.
They are only doing what they are told, they had the station road part of Newtownabbey closed off tonight, it didn't affect me but I was so tempted to stop and ask them why the road was closed and what are they doing about it, then I realised my tax was up and moved on!! :o :o
That newsnight report was disgusting.
Working class protestants are suffering while middle class catholics, with the help of the uk, are thriving. Or words to that affect.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 17, 2012, 11:19:08 PM
That newsnight report was disgusting.
Working class protestants are suffering while middle class catholics, with the help of the uk, are thriving. Or words to that affect.
So the working class catholics are doing ok then? Didn't watch it and I'd say the viewing stats on this show are shite. Be surprised if Paxman was backing that up, he'd done a few years over here as a journo
I think the police's current plan is to keep distance, make sure it is relatively peaceful and hope the whole thing goes away. It seems it is not just going to go away so a change of strategy is needed.
Start wailing the fcuk out of them would be my suggestion.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 17, 2012, 11:19:08 PM
That newsnight report was disgusting.
Working class protestants are suffering while middle class catholics, with the help of the uk, are thriving. Or words to that affect.
That term would suggest work. How's about 'benefit class'
this would be laughable if it wasnt so serious. here we have a group of people who actually believe that they are more "british" than the queen of england herself. these folk cheer at the burning of the tricolour, the flag their monarch was delighted to bow before this year! 'our greatest friends' she said. it is time for a referendum! but nobody on this wretched soggy sod should have a say. the ordinary taxpayer in the uk should be asked is he willing to continue to foot the bill for this continuous shite, ground hog day dung, that is par for the course of daily life in this shit hole. if hes willing to send on his tax money week in week out while HIS public services hospitals etc are getting worse then fairplay to him! maybe thats the cost of having an empire or maybe hes like a mushroom.. kept in the dark and feed on shit either way it should be his choice
I only saw the woman reporter and paxman didn't comment.
Protestants oppressed and unable to express culture. They're the victims in all this. People who don't believe in politics even coming to streets to protests. Republicans fighting a different war now and winning.
Young protestants feel polticians letting them down. Protestants in interface areas getting houses petorl bombed - 2 women specifically.
Didn't sound like they thought there was such a thing as working class catholics.
Protests peaceful in last week apparently too.
The situation is serious to be honest. July next year will be crazy on account of this whole thing. it needs to stop and they can not back down to these boys.
Quote from: EC Unique on December 17, 2012, 11:23:06 PM
I think the police's current plan is to keep distance, make sure it is relatively peaceful and hope the whole thing goes away. It seems it is not just going to go away so a change of strategy is needed.
Start wailing the fcuk out of them would be my suggestion.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 17, 2012, 11:19:08 PM
That newsnight report was disgusting.
Working class protestants are suffering while middle class catholics, with the help of the uk, are thriving. Or words to that affect.
That term would suggest work. How's about 'benefit class'
benefit class is right. these bastards dont want work!! i listened to a dosser on the radio recently yapping about how he couldnt find a job for (wait for it)15 YEARS!!! who in their right mind would invest their money in these areas? even if you did manage to pri their grubby hands off the dole and get them to work they'd trip and claim the living life out of you every chance they got.
I see they are deleting posts asking about why they are doing nothing.
I want to know in detail what these tracksuit wearing scarf faced young whipper snappers do to maintain his britishness.
All this talk of loosing their identity being nationalists fault needs disected but every time its spouted out without anyone asking them to explain exactly what they mean
Quote from: theskull1 on December 17, 2012, 11:38:26 PM
I want to know in detail what these tracksuit wearing scarce faced young whipper snappers do to maintain his britishness.
All this talk of loosing their identity being nationalists fault needs disected but every time its spouted out without anyone asking them to explain exactly what they mean
theyre scared GB are going stop sending the cheque. cameron needs to start a war somewhere and not a push button one a real one where theres jungle and mozzies and crotch-rot and send these crowd out to fight for their flag..
Funny little word, 'Democracy'.
Britain prides itself on being a bastion of it, a leading light by which to illuminate dictatorships everywhere, yet those who see themselves as the most British of all cannot abide those very same values.
Had a laugh at the utv report there when interviewing some of the protesters. One woman about 60 had a minnie mouse style head band in the form of a union jack on head while the young fellow in the background showing the union jack had a figure of Santa claus right in the centre of the flag. Hilarious.
All these protests have been fuelled by not only an attack on their britishness but also their religion so it seems. Them flyers handed out has called on ' all protestants to bring the country to a standstill' . For centuries unionism has tried to intertwine religion with nationality, a potent mix. Religion in my opinion should have nothing to do with nationality, but a certain battle of the boyne helped cement this in the minds of a few people
Quote from: theskull1 on December 17, 2012, 11:38:26 PM
I want to know in detail what these tracksuit wearing scarce faced young whipper snappers do to maintain his britishness.
All this talk of loosing their identity being nationalists fault needs disected but every time its spouted out without anyone asking them to explain exactly what they mean
I was thinking the exact same thing this evening. Nobody has ever been able to articulate what exactly this "alienation" and "frustration" is, now we know it is basically a tactic of asking for more money for the chosen few in their area to set up "community jobs" bit they are never challenged on specifics or detail.
Quote from: theticklemister on December 17, 2012, 11:49:38 PM
Had a laugh at the utv report there when interviewing some of the protesters. One woman about 60 had a minnie mouse style head band in the form of a union jack on head
Behold.... a loyalist:
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A-WdJXwCcAEzFW3.jpg:large)
That's the lassie!!!!!!!.............. now. I'll double yer points if you can find the wee lad with the santa in the heart of the union jack
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 18, 2012, 12:02:41 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on December 17, 2012, 11:49:38 PM
Had a laugh at the utv report there when interviewing some of the protesters. One woman about 60 had a minnie mouse style head band in the form of a union jack on head
Behold.... a loyalist:
funny as...
sweet f**k if it wasn't causing so much havoc regarding folks going about their ordinary everyday lives, trying to get home from work during the festive season, and folks trying to make a living through retail during the festive season - then you'd just egg them on for another week or two to see what they'll throw up
despite wanting them all to crawl back under the rock from whence they came i think the madness has a good 10 days left in it yet, when it starts to make the bbc and itn main bulletins then it'll gradually grind to a halt
Quote from: theticklemister on December 18, 2012, 12:06:42 AM
That's the lassie!!!!!!!.............. now. I'll double yer points if you can find the wee lad with the santa in the heart of the union jack
(http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj488/nallystand/fleg_zpsdd91b253.jpg)
Somebody pls educate this forgotten strand of unionism
They obviously have such a spoon fed version of history and no ambition, they'll do everything to keep believing what they've always been fed
enough is enough. i have just left hospital after two weeks in tensive caree. forvive my spelling but money could be better spent.
I had planned a couple of weeks ago to go to Belfast last night for some last minute Xmas shopping with Mrs AQMP and the AQMP Ogs. We decided to leave the Ogs at home and me and herself would give it a lash. Flew down the motorway, off at Divis Street straight into Castle Court, very little traffic, into town, hardly a sinner about. Got everything done in just over an hour and a half (usually takes about 3 hrs if it's busy). Had a nice coffee and a bun (no queue), left Belfast at 8:30pm, virtually no traffic and back in the house before 10:15pm. Brilliant. ;D The only protestors I saw all night were on the telly when I got home.
Thanks lads, for helping out a GAA man!!
Quote from: AQMP on December 18, 2012, 09:44:23 AM
I had planned a couple of weeks ago to go to Belfast last night for some last minute Xmas shopping with Mrs AQMP and the AQMP Ogs. We decided to leave the Ogs at home and me and herself would give it a lash. Flew down the motorway, off at Divis Street straight into Castle Court, very little traffic, into town, hardly a sinner about. Got everything done in just over an hour and a half (usually takes about 3 hrs if it's busy). Had a nice coffee and a bun (no queue), left Belfast at 8:30pm, virtually no traffic and back in the house before 10:15pm. Brilliant. ;D The only protestors I saw all night were on the telly when I got home.
Thanks lads, for helping out a GAA man!!
Johnny Harvey is the chairman of UPV, the United Protestant Voice, which has helped to organise some of the protests over the last few weeks.
He said people had a right to "show discontent" about the removal of the flag but said they should be peaceful.
"We're trying to put our voice out there in as public a way as possible," he said.
"We've had no luck with speaking to our politicians and trying to get our message across by that means."
He said that it was not the fault of protesters that some businesses were losing out on Christmas trade.
"Everything is being blamed on the protests, but
at the end of the day we're in a double-dip recession here and the online surge in shopping is growing," he said, adding that most protests were peaceful.
Economist Johnny here explains it for you!
Quote from: tyssam5 on December 18, 2012, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: AQMP on December 18, 2012, 09:44:23 AM
I had planned a couple of weeks ago to go to Belfast last night for some last minute Xmas shopping with Mrs AQMP and the AQMP Ogs. We decided to leave the Ogs at home and me and herself would give it a lash. Flew down the motorway, off at Divis Street straight into Castle Court, very little traffic, into town, hardly a sinner about. Got everything done in just over an hour and a half (usually takes about 3 hrs if it's busy). Had a nice coffee and a bun (no queue), left Belfast at 8:30pm, virtually no traffic and back in the house before 10:15pm. Brilliant. ;D The only protestors I saw all night were on the telly when I got home.
Thanks lads, for helping out a GAA man!!
Johnny Harvey is the chairman of UPV, the United Protestant Voice, which has helped to organise some of the protests over the last few weeks.
He said people had a right to "show discontent" about the removal of the flag but said they should be peaceful.
"We're trying to put our voice out there in as public a way as possible," he said.
"We've had no luck with speaking to our politicians and trying to get our message across by that means."
He said that it was not the fault of protesters that some businesses were losing out on Christmas trade.
"Everything is being blamed on the protests, but at the end of the day we're in a double-dip recession here and the online surge in shopping is growing," he said, adding that most protests were peaceful.
Economist Johnny here explains it for you!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20765546
Quote from: tyssam5 on December 18, 2012, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: AQMP on December 18, 2012, 09:44:23 AM
I had planned a couple of weeks ago to go to Belfast last night for some last minute Xmas shopping with Mrs AQMP and the AQMP Ogs. We decided to leave the Ogs at home and me and herself would give it a lash. Flew down the motorway, off at Divis Street straight into Castle Court, very little traffic, into town, hardly a sinner about. Got everything done in just over an hour and a half (usually takes about 3 hrs if it's busy). Had a nice coffee and a bun (no queue), left Belfast at 8:30pm, virtually no traffic and back in the house before 10:15pm. Brilliant. ;D The only protestors I saw all night were on the telly when I got home.
Thanks lads, for helping out a GAA man!!
Johnny Harvey is the chairman of UPV, the United Protestant Voice, which has helped to organise some of the protests over the last few weeks.
He said people had a right to "show discontent" about the removal of the flag but said they should be peaceful.
"We're trying to put our voice out there in as public a way as possible," he said.
"We've had no luck with speaking to our politicians and trying to get our message across by that means."
He said that it was not the fault of protesters that some businesses were losing out on Christmas trade.
"Everything is being blamed on the protests, but at the end of the day we're in a double-dip recession here and the online surge in shopping is growing," he said, adding that most protests were peaceful.
Economist Johnny here explains it for you!
Belfast Chamber of commerce are missing a trick not having Johnny on board.
Carrickfergus man 'fired imaginary machine gun' at police during riot
The men appeared at Belfast Magistrates' Court A Carrickfergus man allegedly fired an imaginary machine gun at police during street unrest in the town, a court has been told.
Brian McLean, 30, of Maple Gardens in Carrickfergus is accused of inciting protesters to riot, disorderly behaviour and failure to remove a mask worn to conceal his identity. He was remanded in custody.
The alleged offences occurred during a loyalist flag protest in the County Antrim town on the evening of Monday 17 December.
A detective constable who opposed Mr McLean's bail application at Belfast Magistrates' Court said this would deter others from becoming involved in trouble.
Defence solicitor Seamus Leonard stressed that his client was not accused of any actual rioting, or of throwing anything at the police.
"This is a man who was drunk and then with a dummy machine gun is shooting at police. That is what is alleged," the lawyer argued.
District Judge Fiona Bagnall refused bail due to the risk of re-offending, remanding McLean in custody until 2 January.
Meanwhile two other men, accused of blocking roads in Belfast, were granted bail subject to afternoon curfews.
Stephen Smith, 25, of Matilda Avenue, Belfast, and Tyler Thompson, 18, from Blythe Street in the city, are both charged with failing to remove disguises and obstructing roads.
The court heard how Mr Smith was arrested in connection with a protest at Great Victoria Street on Monday night.
A defence lawyer said his client went to the scene as a spectator, adding that there was no violence at that stage.
Granting bail to both Mr Smith and Mr Thompson, Judge Bagnall said each case had to be decided on its merits.
She imposed a maximum 12-hour curfew on both accused, starting from 1600 GMT.
Smith and Thompson were also each banned from having any flags, or going within 500 metres of demonstrations or parades.
Both men will appear again in court in eight weeks' time.
How will they express their britishness now :(
Quote from: trasna man on December 18, 2012, 03:39:04 PM
Carrickfergus man 'fired imaginary machine gun' at police during riot
Smith and Thompson were also each banned from having any flags, or going within 500 metres of demonstrations or parades.
Both men will appear again in court in eight weeks' time.
How will they express their britishness now :(
Are they allowed to carry imaginary flags or to go within 500m of an imaginary parade? I'd imagine they are.
United Protestant Voice
What a depressing name for any organisation in this day and age.
So its not that someone holds a particular political allegiance or view anymore its that they were christened in a reformation church that determines their view on fleg waving??
What has religion got to do with any of this?
religion (or rather peoples use of it), is a Bloody hex on this place.
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 18, 2012, 03:44:17 PM
Quote from: trasna man on December 18, 2012, 03:39:04 PM
Carrickfergus man 'fired imaginary machine gun' at police during riot
Smith and Thompson were also each banned from having any flags, or going within 500 metres of demonstrations or parades.
Both men will appear again in court in eight weeks' time.
How will they express their britishness now :(
Are they allowed to carry imaginary flags or to go within 500m of an imaginary parade? I'd imagine they are.
It had to be said.
Quote from: deiseach on December 18, 2012, 04:09:10 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 18, 2012, 03:44:17 PM
Quote from: trasna man on December 18, 2012, 03:39:04 PM
Carrickfergus man 'fired imaginary machine gun' at police during riot
Smith and Thompson were also each banned from having any flags, or going within 500 metres of demonstrations or parades.
Both men will appear again in court in eight weeks' time.
How will they express their britishness now :(
Are they allowed to carry imaginary flags or to go within 500m of an imaginary parade? I'd imagine they are.
It had to be said.
Did I really say it though? Or are you imagining it...
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 18, 2012, 04:18:02 PM
Quote from: deiseach on December 18, 2012, 04:09:10 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 18, 2012, 03:44:17 PM
Quote from: trasna man on December 18, 2012, 03:39:04 PM
Carrickfergus man 'fired imaginary machine gun' at police during riot
Smith and Thompson were also each banned from having any flags, or going within 500 metres of demonstrations or parades.
Both men will appear again in court in eight weeks' time.
How will they express their britishness now :(
Are they allowed to carry imaginary flags or to go within 500m of an imaginary parade? I'd imagine they are.
It had to be said.
Did I really say it though? Or are you imagining it...
Well it was a protest of the imaginary erosion of an imaginary culture.
As an aside I wasn't sure of my spelling of imaginary so I used the spell check.
Carrickfergus = Caregiver
Britishness = Brutishness.
Quote from: deiseach on December 18, 2012, 04:09:10 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 18, 2012, 03:44:17 PM
Quote from: trasna man on December 18, 2012, 03:39:04 PM
Carrickfergus man 'fired imaginary machine gun' at police during riot
Smith and Thompson were also each banned from having any flags, or going within 500 metres of demonstrations or parades.
Both men will appear again in court in eight weeks' time.
How will they express their britishness now :(
Are they allowed to carry imaginary flags or to go within 500m of an imaginary parade? I'd imagine they are.
It had to be said.
I wonder did this imaginary machine gun harm the imaginary PSNI officers doing their imaginary duty?
Have you ever heard anything so stupid, with all that's went on some lad is remanded in custody for this?
(For maths geeks only)
I wonder will their sentence be the square root of minus one months?
Quote from: Orior on December 18, 2012, 04:52:22 PM
(For maths geeks only)
I wonder will their sentence be the square root of minus one months?
I haven't an iota.
Some of the protesters should be happy, was in the Irish News today that McGuinness & Robinson have approved millions in funding to ex-prisoners groups.
Quote from: Orior on December 18, 2012, 04:52:22 PM
(For maths geeks only)
I wonder will their sentence be the square root of minus one months?
Quality!
Quote(For maths geeks only)
I wonder will their sentence be the square root of minus one months?
Very complex!
Quote from: armaghniac on December 18, 2012, 06:41:15 PM
Quote(For maths geeks only)
I wonder will their sentence be the square root of minus one months?
Very complex!
Pi thought so too
Any of this scum had to work in Belfast every day, drive 40+miles to and from work, actually do a f**king job or try to get one instead of forcing decent people who are working away for this economy and their families, actually get up at 6.20am instead of after dinner time, they find out they wouldn't have time for any of this crap, as they be living in the real world instead of expecting us to provide a living for them on benefits. Loyalism thrives in less well off areas, these areas want handout, how about going out and try make it living like the decent people living in Northern Ireland
QuoteI wonder will their sentence be the square root of minus one months?
Orior, you should head up to one of these blockades and say "Sir, on a scale of 1 to 10, the injustice that fuels your cause is no less than the square root of minus one million"
Has anyone pointed out the Census results to them yet - that they "The British" are now only 40% of the population of the 6Cos/NI???
Quote from: armaghniac on December 18, 2012, 07:54:16 PM
QuoteI wonder will their sentence be the square root of minus one months?
Orior, you should head up to one of these blockades and say "Sir, on a scale of 1 to 10, the injustice that fuels your cause is no less than the square root of minus one million"
Hmmm. The chances of me doing that is feck all squared.
In the interests of pursuing a Sport-for-All agenda, would now be a good time to ask for the removal of GSTQ at OWC soccer matches?
Lisburn Council have announced they are to review their Union Flag policy at the Council Building.
Quote from: ziggysego on December 18, 2012, 10:02:22 PM
Lisburn Council have announced they are to review their Union Flag policy at the Council Building.
Oh for the love of God.
Next up: Lisburn will review its painted kerb stone policy
Flegs up around ballygawley roundabout. Be interesting to see how long they last.
Lisburn's a shit hole, nothing to see there, they'll be reviewing the size of their UDR statue next, cos there's a chance it might not be big enough to reflect how British they are.
::)
They might just make Antrim the last county in N.Ireland and part of Down possibly. Bummer for us Saffron's but sure....
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 18, 2012, 10:41:30 PM
Lisburn's a shit hole, nothing to see there, they'll be reviewing the size of their UDR statue next, cos there's a chance it might not be big enough to reflect how British they are.
::)
Derry man built it!!
Another interesting derry statue fact............................. the WW2 memorial in Derry's diamond area of the town was supposed to go to Sheffield (2 statues of british soldiers and then one of some doll holding some wreath) but anyways the people of sheffield said that the memorial was too violent for them and declined to take it. the people of derry said 'we'll have that'
(http://ww2ni.webs.com/derry%20war%20memorial%201.jpg?0.4263335148535882)
Did anyone else see the pensioner in his car getting blocked by a couple of teenagers in East Belfast? The man looked petrified, and nearly drove into them by mistake.
The sad thing is that the man probably fought in a World War so that the wee rascals can spake Ulster Scots instead of German.
If they had put as much effort into creating jobs and getting some of these scumbags of the dole and into employment rather than this farce. They want to get a meeting as soon as possible to discuss the flags issue. Heres a novel idea. What about urgently meeting to try and deal with issues facing the economy and multitude of other problems facing this place instead of worrying if a f**king flag is flying or not.
http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20765546 (http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20765546)
The brother is just home from England there and is largely oblivious to the goings on over here and he said that the English couldn't care less about the whole charade says it all about how pathetic and futile this protest is.
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Flegs up around ballygawley roundabout. Be interesting to see how long they last.
Removed carefully, they could be resold. Perpetual money machine.
Quote from: Saffrongael on December 18, 2012, 05:39:55 PM
Some of the protesters should be happy, was in the Irish News today that McGuinness & Robinson have approved millions in funding to ex-prisoners groups.
That bit of news slipped well under the radar in the paper today. Isn't it incredible that another few million is fired at ex prisoners at a time when i'm sure many of the protesters would be availing of this "grant"
I often wonder what sort of peace we would have if the money was cut off?
Quote from: Orior on December 18, 2012, 10:20:45 PM
Oh for the love of God and Ulster.
Next up: Lisburn will review its painted kerb stone policy
Fixed that for Lisburn.
Think when ex-RUC and UDR have been well looked after,and there are still laws that discriminate against ex-prisoners it is only right that groups that support these people should be entitled to funding.Any people on here who think that those who got involved in the troubles and ended up in jail should be thrown on the scrapheap while those on the side of the British state should be paid out thousands and have big healthy pensions need to take a good look at themselves.
Quote from: EC Unique on December 18, 2012, 10:40:59 PM
Flegs up around ballygawley roundabout. Be interesting to see how long they last.
and at every junction on the new road to Dungannon. They were busy little bee's last nite.
Quote from: Hereiam on December 19, 2012, 09:54:20 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on December 18, 2012, 10:40:59 PM
Flegs up around ballygawley roundabout. Be interesting to see how long they last.
and at every junction on the new road to Dungannon. They were busy little bee's last nite.
It really cheapens the look of the place. Will they be let stay or will the council take them down?
I suspect the ones at Ballygawley roundabout will be removed by locals anyway but the dual carragway is a mess.
Around Ballygawley they usually put up flegs for the 12th and take them down again sharpish.
Quote from: Boghopper on December 18, 2012, 11:59:31 PM
The brother is just home from England there and is largely oblivious to the goings on over here and he said that the English couldn't care less about the whole charade says it all about how pathetic and futile this protest is.
Majority wouldnt know about, those that would very few would be remotely interested. "Paddy acting up again" nothing to see here. And who in their right mind would want to know unless directly affected by it.
They'll not be putting them up in Drumbreda anyways!
Quote from: Cold tea on December 19, 2012, 02:39:02 PM
They'll not be putting them up in Drumbreda anyways!
"We remembeber our dead" DRUMBREDA? HAHA FAIL
Quote from: The Iceman on December 19, 2012, 02:42:25 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on December 19, 2012, 02:39:02 PM
They'll not be putting them up in Drumbreda anyways!
"We remembeber our dead" DRUMBREDA? HAHA FAIL
That was before Dulux did spell checks, think there was one about the hunger strickers around the same time
Saw this in Derry last week:
"Up a Ra"
Lazy shits.
I see a massive lantern release is being planned across the "pravince" at 23:59 on New years Eve.
Quote from: T Fearon on December 19, 2012, 10:04:08 PM
I see a massive lantern release is being planned across the "pravince" at 23:59 on New years Eve.
I take it there is a grant available for the lanterns.
Quote from: T Fearon on December 19, 2012, 10:04:08 PM
I see a massive lantern release is being planned across the "pravince" at 23:59 on New years Eve.
Hope it pisses down the whole night
Still protesting. roadblocks everywhere and the cops standing watching them.
Quote from: orangeman on December 19, 2012, 10:46:24 PM
Still protesting. roadblocks everywhere and the cops standing watching them.
Nothing surprises me. But I dont blame the protestors, I blame that shower of hoors sitting watching them.
Where are the protests at? Have seen nowt.
Quote from: T Fearon on December 19, 2012, 10:04:08 PM
I see a massive lantern release is being planned across the "pravince" at 23:59 on New years Eve.
One big lantern?
Surely a lantern this big would crash and burn
I see the authorities at George Best airport are very worried that a mass release of Chinese lanterns could pose a serious threat to planes landing and taking off there.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 20, 2012, 08:13:36 AM
I see the authorities at George Best airport are very worried that a mass release of Chinese lanterns could pose a serious threat to planes landing and taking off there.
Sure it's not opened at that time.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 19, 2012, 11:30:13 PM
Where are the protests at? Have seen nowt.
Coagh closed all last night.
No through traffic.
I'd love to see republicans blocking off whole towns and villages. The cops wouldn't be standing watching them do it.
Quote from: orangeman on December 20, 2012, 09:10:12 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 19, 2012, 11:30:13 PM
Where are the protests at? Have seen nowt.
Coagh closed all last night.
No through traffic.
I'd love to see republicans blocking off whole towns and villages. The cops wouldn't be standing watching them do it.
I'd probably pay to watch republicans block off Coagh!
Quote from: orangeman on December 20, 2012, 09:10:12 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 19, 2012, 11:30:13 PM
Where are the protests at? Have seen nowt.
Coagh closed all last night.
No through traffic.
I'd love to see republicans blocking off whole towns and villages. The cops wouldn't be standing watching them do it.
Other than people from Coagh, who would be unduly affected by blocking off a place like that?
Reports are they are going to bring Norn Iron to a standstill tomorrow!
That shower of c***ts couldnt bring a football to standstill.
Quote from: Hereiam on December 20, 2012, 02:33:22 PM
That shower of c***ts couldnt bring a football to standstill.
Watch them do it, as the f**king inept PSNI stand by and let them!
Quote from: Hereiam on December 20, 2012, 02:33:22 PM
That shower of c***ts couldnt bring a football to standstill.
They are idiots for doing it and bigger idiots for not doing it better?
They are doing a good job of it in belfast. Maybe not so much outside it but it's bedlam a lot of nights.
Black eye Friday may live up to its name then!
I'm glad I'll be in the Apartment watching any City Hall protest whilst nursing free company drinks.
Quote from: Rois on December 20, 2012, 03:33:59 PM
Black eye Friday may live up to its name then!
I'm glad I'll be in the Apartment watching any City Hall protest whilst nursing free company drinks.
Eh, you don't want to be 'nursing' free drinks!
Quote from: Cold tea on December 20, 2012, 02:15:03 PM
Reports are they are going to bring Norn Iron to a standstill tomorrow!
Bring? They've had it like that for three-hundred-odd years.
Another one to add to the list of videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n7-Pakz8DQ
D'ya know what, my hole is sickened with the whole lot.Bate the black c***ts off the road, they did it to us for 90 odd years here and bollix CSI and shared futures, bollixs to learning from shared history. History has taught me that for 20 odd years I had to hide where I was from when I was in areas I wasn't sure about. If they can't cope with the fact that their own have shit on them for years then they should direct their ire in the right direction.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/i-have-a-horrid-vision-of-scotlands-future/story-fnb64oi6-1226539803885 (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/i-have-a-horrid-vision-of-scotlands-future/story-fnb64oi6-1226539803885)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lh-H04iZNU
Forward this video to 5:10 and see how Nationalist protestors are dealt with, compared to that shower of hoors protesting at the minute.
Also, listen out for what the police officer says at 6:30. One rule for one, another rule for the other.
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=GB#/watch?v=sQXwdsvdzS0 (http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=GB#/watch?v=sQXwdsvdzS0)
Quote from: BennyCake on December 21, 2012, 01:30:06 AM
Forward this video to 5:10 and see how Nationalist protestors are dealt with, compared to that shower of hoors protesting at the minute.
Also, listen out for what the police officer says at 6:30. One rule for one, another rule for the other.
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=GB#/watch?v=sQXwdsvdzS0 (http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=GB#/watch?v=sQXwdsvdzS0)
There's a child in that video getting a truncheon over the head who 15 years later is doing time in Maghaberry as a "dissident". Not surprising...
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 20, 2012, 11:39:29 PM
D'ya know what, my hole is sickened with the whole lot.Bate the black c***ts off the road, they did it to us for 90 odd years here and bollix CSI and shared futures, bollixs to learning from shared history. History has taught me that for 20 odd years I had to hide where I was from when I was in areas I wasn't sure about. If they can't cope with the fact that their own have shit on them for years then they should direct their ire in the right direction.
Good job ye didnt tell them yer from crossmaglen or it would be curtains for ye!!
Oh dear :o
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/crown-body-says-flying-union-flag-365-days-a-year-is-not-british-tradition-16252931.html
Quote from: omagh_gael on December 21, 2012, 02:12:12 PM
Oh dear :o
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/crown-body-says-flying-union-flag-365-days-a-year-is-not-british-tradition-16252931.html
Those Lundys in the College of Arms are chip, chip, chipping away at our Britishness.
Are there protests planned for tonight? Have to drive from Aldergrove to Kilkeel, not looking forward to it
Plenty of protests planned. http://flegs.xz.rs/ (http://flegs.xz.rs/)
Most are for 6pm - but it all depends if any kick off as to when they will be finished. I was planning to go into town tonight but might go local instead. They are ironically driving trade up to West Belfast because its the only part of town their will be no roadblocks. Thats where I will be eating and drinking this evening - and doing all my Christmas shopping over the weekend
Quote from: No Soloing on December 21, 2012, 02:31:02 PM
Plenty of protests planned. http://flegs.xz.rs/ (http://flegs.xz.rs/)
Most are for 6pm - but it all depends if any kick off as to when they will be finished. I was planning to go into town tonight but might go local instead. They are ironically driving trade up to West Belfast because its the only part of town their will be no roadblocks. Thats where I will be eating and drinking this evening - and doing all my Christmas shopping over the weekend
You boys are letting the side down with your lack of protest. Shame.
Quote from: AQMP on December 21, 2012, 02:19:54 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on December 21, 2012, 02:12:12 PM
Oh dear :o
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/crown-body-says-flying-union-flag-365-days-a-year-is-not-british-tradition-16252931.html
Those Lundys in the College of Arms are chip, chip, chipping away at our Britishness.
I wonder is David Ford involved in this crowd? Alliance bastards ;)
6 land rovers full of peelers at ballygawley roundabout. Looks like they plan to keep it open.
Quote from: EC Unique on December 21, 2012, 06:32:41 PM
6 land rovers full of peelers at ballygawley roundabout. Looks like they plan to keep it open.
Probably need six Land Rovers to collect the Chinese takeaway order on a Friday night... I'm sure it's more to do with that than with doing their job
Quote from: red hander on December 21, 2012, 06:54:05 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on December 21, 2012, 06:32:41 PM
6 land rovers full of peelers at ballygawley roundabout. Looks like they plan to keep it open.
Probably need six Land Rovers to collect the Chinese takeaway order on a Friday night... I'm sure it's more to do with that than with doing their job
They are brave boys if they go to the chinkys in ballygawley. It's stinken.
Quote from: EC Unique on December 21, 2012, 07:16:47 PM
Quote from: red hander on December 21, 2012, 06:54:05 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on December 21, 2012, 06:32:41 PM
6 land rovers full of peelers at ballygawley roundabout. Looks like they plan to keep it open.
Probably need six Land Rovers to collect the Chinese takeaway order on a Friday night... I'm sure it's more to do with that than with doing their job
They are brave boys if they go to the chinkys in ballygawley. It's stinken.
Well, if their 'bravery' against the loyalist scumbags is anything to go by, there's no way they'll risk it :P
See Zoe Salmon must have hired herself a PR person , all her recent tweets about the city hall flag has been deleted,
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on December 21, 2012, 11:01:48 PM
See Zoe Salmon must have hired herself a PR person , all her recent tweets about the city hall flag has been deleted,
I searched for her on Twitter to check it out and some fella had a tweet "Every time I see Rory McIlroy I think of the night he fingerbanged Zoe Salmon in Milk"! ;D
See where they were reporting a bumper weekend (the best for years) for retailers in the south partly due to the fact that Belfast trade is down due to the road blocks and protests. Also the north has got very dear apparantly for most stuff and its not worth peoples while goin up there from the rest of the country.
Quote from: comethekingdom on December 23, 2012, 01:53:05 PM
See where they were reporting a bumper weekend (the best for years) for retailers in the south partly due to the fact that Belfast trade is down due to the road blocks and protests. Also the north has got very dear apparantly for most stuff and its not worth peoples while goin up there from the rest of the country.
Yep, I reckon Dublin was behind the protests, hardly a southern car to be seen for miles over the last few weeks apparently! ;)
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 21, 2012, 11:19:07 PM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on December 21, 2012, 11:01:48 PM
See Zoe Salmon must have hired herself a PR person , all her recent tweets about the city hall flag has been deleted,
I searched for her on Twitter to check it out and some fella had a tweet "Every time I see Rory McIlroy I think of the night he fingerbanged Zoe Salmon in Milk"! ;D
Hole in one!! Good man Rory !!!
QuoteI searched for her on Twitter to check it out and some fella had a tweet "Every time I see Rory McIlroy I think of the night he fingerbanged Zoe Salmon in Milk"!
Does this mean Milk the night club, or does Zoe Salmon have a Cleopatra complex?
Quote from: armaghniac on December 23, 2012, 03:55:07 PM
QuoteI searched for her on Twitter to check it out and some fella had a tweet "Every time I see Rory McIlroy I think of the night he fingerbanged Zoe Salmon in Milk"!
Does this mean Milk the night club, or does Zoe Salmon have a Cleopatra complex?
She made a real ass of herself...
A new twist to the protest today.Roads were blocked by fallen trees
Quote from: T Fearon on December 23, 2012, 10:00:37 PM
A new twist to the protest today.Roads were blocked by fallen trees
The UVF said they planted them.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on December 23, 2012, 02:52:09 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on December 23, 2012, 01:53:05 PM
See where they were reporting a bumper weekend (the best for years) for retailers in the south partly due to the fact that Belfast trade is down due to the road blocks and protests. Also the north has got very dear apparantly for most stuff and its not worth peoples while goin up there from the rest of the country.
Yep, I reckon Dublin was behind the protests, hardly a southern car to be seen for miles over the last few weeks apparently! ;)
Good news this, keep spending in the 26
Should be a good day out.
Quote
More than 150 loyalists are to descend on Dublin to demand that the Irish government remove the Tricolour.
Angry protesters say they are offended by the flag and want it removed from the Houses of the Oireachtas, at the city's Leinster House.
The cross-border protest follows weeks of anger, riots and protests right across Northern Ireland since the removal of the Union flag at Belfast City Hall on December 3.
On Saturday less than 100 protesters demonstrated outside Belfast City Hall amid a heavy police presence.
It passed without incident and there was no disruption to traffic.
The Dublin campaign is set to take place in early January and could be held under the banner of the new 'People's Forum', a group being set up by grass-root loyalists.
The forum is to rival the government's Unionist Forum, announced by First Minister Peter Robinson and UUP leader Mike Nesbitt last week. Victim's campaigner William Frazer says those attending will also be voicing their opposition to the Taoiseach's "interference" in the province.
"We are going to hold a small, peaceful protest in Dublin and it's not solely about the flags issue.
"It's also about the Irish government's interference with inquiries here," he said.
In November Irish Prime Minister Enda Kennedy said he will tell the UK government and European leaders there is a need for a public inquiry into the murder of Belfast solicitor Pat Finucane.
"Enda Kenny needs to keep his nose out of our affairs," added Mr Frazer.
"We understand that people may be upset that we are coming down to ask that their country's flag be removed, but perhaps they will understand what it has been like for us."
Similar street protests have been taking place across Northern Ireland for almost a month.
They began on 3 December, when Belfast City Council voted to fly the flag on designated days rather than all year round.
Sinn Fein and the SDLP wanted to remove the flag completely but backed a compromise motion, proposed by the Alliance party.
The motion was passed by 29 votes to 21.
Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/loyalist-flag-protesters-to-target-oireachtas-tricolour-in-dublin-16255998.html#ixzz2Ge1XYJ2S
More than likely Fraser and his nutty friends will be ushered into Leinster House
for an hour long meeting with Kenny,instead of being completely ignored. :'(
A wag on twitter has just tweeted that Willie Frazer has been spotted protesting outside the Italian embassy in Dublin! ;D :D :D :D ;D
You would like to to think Willie and Co will get a nice warm welcome in Dublin. ;D
Quote from: T Fearon on December 31, 2012, 03:58:11 PM
A wag on twitter has just tweeted that Willie Frazer has been spotted protesting outside the Italian embassy in Dublin! ;D :D :D :D ;D
And heres the evidence :0)
(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/710762896.png?key=978734&Expires=1356974829&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=IVL7qJMn1NA86MbR97nr1r1OLRgteKS3le3DrPVXNy34H5ZgenXoW3YPlXB9aF5HCeuEJ1fmP-CZJ279TLW-9CJKfHI2kGXYp~vsdeKkb87AqALTr6XOcx5Rly34UZDyrE3HFy5GRAIBPVnHQJfiRA0YYPrH8p-fVNKlQkAY0Xs_)
Wee Willie will be leading the protest with a rendition of take it down from the mast Irish traitors. :)
I presume Fruitcake Frazer objects to the Taoiseach's interference on the grounds that the 26 Cos is in his view a "foreign country".
Then Fruit decides to hold a protest in Dublin to object to flying the Tricolour over Govt Buildings. Sure if it's a "foreign country" he shouldn't care a hoot what flag they fly. :D
So does he now believe all of Ireland is one country ? ;D
To think some do gooder clowns in Dublin thought it was a good idea to let this disturbed little man lead an orange parade down O Connell street. What does he hope to gain from this other than being bet off the street - although that is probably what he wants.
'... that is probably what he wants'
Funny, that's what I want, too... never thought I'd ever be in agreement with wee willie
Quote from: red hander on December 31, 2012, 07:46:07 PM
'... that is probably what he wants'
Funny, that's what I want, too... never thought I'd ever be in agreement with wee willie
I think it is what we all want. Let's get 2013 off to a great start.
I'm going up to Belfast end of January, it better be sorted by then.
I'll sort the little bastards myself if its not.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 31, 2012, 03:41:20 PM
Should be a good day out.
Quote
More than 150 loyalists are to descend on Dublin to demand that the Irish government remove the Tricolour.
Angry protesters say they are offended by the flag and want it removed from the Houses of the Oireachtas, at the city's Leinster House.
The cross-border protest follows weeks of anger, riots and protests right across Northern Ireland since the removal of the Union flag at Belfast City Hall on December 3.
On Saturday less than 100 protesters demonstrated outside Belfast City Hall amid a heavy police presence.
It passed without incident and there was no disruption to traffic.
The Dublin campaign is set to take place in early January and could be held under the banner of the new 'People's Forum', a group being set up by grass-root loyalists.
The forum is to rival the government's Unionist Forum, announced by First Minister Peter Robinson and UUP leader Mike Nesbitt last week. Victim's campaigner William Frazer says those attending will also be voicing their opposition to the Taoiseach's "interference" in the province.
"We are going to hold a small, peaceful protest in Dublin and it's not solely about the flags issue.
"It's also about the Irish government's interference with inquiries here," he said.
In November Irish Prime Minister Enda Kennedy said he will tell the UK government and European leaders there is a need for a public inquiry into the murder of Belfast solicitor Pat Finucane.
"Enda Kenny needs to keep his nose out of our affairs," added Mr Frazer.
"We understand that people may be upset that we are coming down to ask that their country's flag be removed, but perhaps they will understand what it has been like for us."
Similar street protests have been taking place across Northern Ireland for almost a month.
They began on 3 December, when Belfast City Council voted to fly the flag on designated days rather than all year round.
Sinn Fein and the SDLP wanted to remove the flag completely but backed a compromise motion, proposed by the Alliance party.
The motion was passed by 29 votes to 21.
Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/loyalist-flag-protesters-to-target-oireachtas-tricolour-in-dublin-16255998.html#ixzz2Ge1XYJ2S
I bet he will have his demands met by dusk.
It wouldn't surprise me if those fine Gael plonkers brought him in for a chat, that is if all the scumbags eirigi and their mates organise haven't kicked his hole into the Liffey first.
Quote from: laoislad on December 31, 2012, 08:21:42 PM
I'm going up to Belfast end of January, it better be sorted by then.
I'll sort the little b**tards myself if its not.
you can join in with God save the queen, you Laois boys are good at that.
Quote from: charlieTully on December 31, 2012, 09:01:52 PM
Quote from: laoislad on December 31, 2012, 08:21:42 PM
I'm going up to Belfast end of January, it better be sorted by then.
I'll sort the little b**tards myself if its not.
you can join in with God save the queen, you Laois boys are good at that.
Kerry boys who play for Laois are better at it.
Quote from: laoislad on December 31, 2012, 09:27:45 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 31, 2012, 09:01:52 PM
Quote from: laoislad on December 31, 2012, 08:21:42 PM
I'm going up to Belfast end of January, it better be sorted by then.
I'll sort the little b**tards myself if its not.
you can join in with God save the queen, you Laois boys are good at that.
Kerry boys who play for Laois are better at it.
Enjoy your stay. Happy N.Y..
Quote from: Rossfan on December 31, 2012, 06:43:57 PM
So does he now believe all of Ireland is one country ? ;D
Don't even think about analysing that: his biggest annual celebration involves a battle that occurred in that same 'foreign country', not to mention the fact that one third (currently) of his beloved 'Ulster' is under the jurisdiction of that same 'foreign country', etc., etc!
anything wrong here?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A_3m_y7CUAA0jef.jpg:large)
Quote from: Square Ball on January 05, 2013, 07:37:44 PM
anything wrong here?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A_3m_y7CUAA0jef.jpg:large)
not working the core enough.
Quote from: Square Ball on January 05, 2013, 07:37:44 PM
anything wrong here?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A_3m_y7CUAA0jef.jpg:large)
Very good, Queen's English and all that palaver.
f**k sake! What a plank. You'd think they would read over that a good few times just to double check everything is ok with spelling etc.
Quote from: charlieTully on January 05, 2013, 09:34:17 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on January 05, 2013, 07:37:44 PM
anything wrong here?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A_3m_y7CUAA0jef.jpg:large)
not working the core enough.
:D very good Charlie!
Is there a solution to this? They want the flag back up but it's not going to be any time soon.
So this business could go on for quite a bit, weather permitting.
All over saturday night news across the continent.
Quote from: seafoid on January 05, 2013, 10:01:38 PM
All over saturday night news across the continent.
These feckers don't care. The fleg trumps everything. They respect it so much they drape it around themselves and use it as a makeshift mask when attacking the police.
One of the men arrested in East Belfast was a Pole !
In facebook search "loyalist peaceful protest updator" the mindset of the majority of posters make for depressing reading for those of us wishing this current trouble would come to an end anytime soon
Quote from: Minder on January 05, 2013, 11:18:08 PM
One of the men arrested in East Belfast was a Pole !
A flag Pole?
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 05, 2013, 10:00:15 PM
Is there a solution to this? They want the flag back up but it's not going to be any time soon.
So this business could go on for quite a bit, weather permitting.
the first day to fly her will be the 20th Jan - the Countess of Wessexes birthday (don't know whether "actual birthday" or "official birthday" - aul brits and their darn two birthdays shenanigans!).
http://sluggerotoole.com/2013/01/04/loyalist-flag-protests-meet-the-leadership/
The fleg will be flying in no time now that the A-Team is on the case! :o :o
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on January 05, 2013, 11:20:47 PM
In facebook search "loyalist peaceful protest updater" the mindset of the majority of posters make for depressing reading for those of us wishing this current trouble would come to an end anytime soon
Lovely people, such use of the Queen's English.
Quote from: seafoid on January 05, 2013, 10:01:38 PM
All over saturday night news across the continent.
Any truth in that some protesters were attacked by nationists? And the PSNI just allowed it to happen.
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 06, 2013, 12:51:22 AM
http://sluggerotoole.com/2013/01/04/loyalist-flag-protests-meet-the-leadership/
The fleg will be flying in no time now that the A-Team is on the case! :o :o
50 Shades of God... ;D
Quote from: ziggysego on January 06, 2013, 12:46:40 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 06, 2013, 12:51:22 AM
http://sluggerotoole.com/2013/01/04/loyalist-flag-protests-meet-the-leadership/
The fleg will be flying in no time now that the A-Team is on the case! :o :o
50 Shades of God... ;D
You should read the reviews on Amazon here - http://www.amazon.co.uk/First-Shades-God-shades-ebook/dp/B008QO7XXE/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1357477112&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/First-Shades-God-shades-ebook/dp/B008QO7XXE/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1357477112&sr=1-1)
Jamie Bryson of the Ulster Peoples Forum getting the run around from Nolan on 5Live.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01pqm2g (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01pqm2g)
200 Gardai being sent to the north if you believe this shower:
http://www.belfastdaily.co.uk/2013/01/06/revealed-psni-hire-200-garda-officers-to-put-down-loyalist-rebellion/#.UOmSjoCgTd0.twitter
(http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/421111_521237151244069_800693751_n.jpg)
Quote from: Minder on January 05, 2013, 11:18:08 PM
One of the men arrested in East Belfast was a Pole !
There's a YouTube video of him getting arrested and it looks like he wasn't involved. From what I could gather, him and the girlfriend were passing just as the PSNI were charging a group of protesters. He legged it (leaving the gf in tears) and the peelers went after him and threw him into the back of the wagon with some others. Hard done by it seems but karma I suppose for leaving the woman behind.
Quote from: Lecale2 on January 06, 2013, 02:00:17 PM
Jamie Bryson of the Ulster Peoples Forum getting the run around from Nolan on 5Live.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01pqm2g (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01pqm2g)
An article about Jamie Bryson from a few weeks ago
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-X2XzZyUCutc/UNObxdvVaMI/AAAAAAAAA5o/91fyCrODu4A/s1600/img784.jpg)
http://twitter.com/jraffo13/status/287726456866480129/photo/1
Quote from: Lecale2 on January 06, 2013, 02:00:17 PM
Jamie Bryson of the Ulster Peoples Forum getting the run around from Nolan on 5Live.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01pqm2g (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01pqm2g)
Enjoyed that, tks!
Apparently nolan tore him to shreds the other night. Not the sharpest tool in the box really but still manages to get publicity for some unknown reason.
Big christian and supports the uvf. It must be their christian manifesto.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 06, 2013, 11:19:47 PM
Apparently nolan tore him to shreds the other night. Not the sharpest tool in the box really but still manages to get publicity for some unknown reason.
Big christian and supports the uvf. It must be their christian manifesto.
He is an arsehole going by that scanned Irish News article a few posts up.
Roger Waters: "Get Your Filthy Hands Off My Desert"
Brezhnev took Afghanistan
Begin took Beirut
Galtieri took the union jack
And Maggie over lunch one day
Took a cruiser with all hands
Apparently to make him give it back
Get Your Filthy Hands Off My Desert by Pink Floyd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKqCknCOllg
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 06, 2013, 11:19:47 PM
Apparently nolan tore him to shreds the other night. Not the sharpest tool in the box really but still manages to get publicity for some unknown reason.
Big christian and supports the uvf. It must be their christian manifesto.
SN: Who are you to demand that Peter Robinson steps down? What mandate do you have? You stood for election in North Down in 2011. Do you want to tell the listeners how many votes you got?
JB: [silence]
SN: I'll give you a clue. There are nearly more malteesers in a packet.
A few good tweets from Frankie Boyle over the weekend.
Flags - For people whose culture is best summarised by a bit of coloured cloth.
Flags are symbols for people who cannot read.
Quote from: LeoMc on January 07, 2013, 11:35:17 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 06, 2013, 11:19:47 PM
Apparently nolan tore him to shreds the other night. Not the sharpest tool in the box really but still manages to get publicity for some unknown reason.
Big christian and supports the uvf. It must be their christian manifesto.
SN: Who are you to demand that Peter Robinson steps down? What mandate do you have? You stood for election in North Down in 2011. Do you want to tell the listeners how many votes you got?
JB: [silence]
SN: I'll give you a clue. There are nearly more malteesers in a packet.
Its shooting fish in a barrel with these lads, Nolan knew it and happily played with him for entertainment purposes. I began to feel sorry for him a bit, but no doubt he's already set up another community group or another to drain more money from HM's treasury.
God save the pound.
I'm looking forward to the March northern politician's trips to the US. I would love to see some of the Dunning Kruger's piggy back the trip and DEMAND the removal of the Stars and Stripes from the Capitol, the white house etc etc...
Quote from: heganboy on January 07, 2013, 03:21:18 PM
I'm looking forward to the March northern politician's trips to the US. I would love to see some of the Dunning Kruger's piggy back the trip and DEMAND the removal of the Stars and Stripes from the Capitol, the white house etc etc...
The US managed to remove the Union Flag from their fleg ;)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PQpzD7xL2vM/TDCgKdtuyTI/AAAAAAAAD40/Cbmr1Fqw4n8/s1600/Grand%2520Union%2520Flag.jpg)
I think it'd be a great idea for a load of people to turn up and burst their holes laughing at these bucks, perhaps with a couple of election type vans playing Bring on the Clowns as they march along. Dum-dum-dum-diddy-dum-dee-dee-dee.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 07, 2013, 03:27:54 PM
I think it'd be a great idea for a load of people to turn up and burst their holes laughing at these bucks, perhaps with a couple of election type vans playing Bring on the Clowns as they march along. Dum-dum-dum-diddy-dum-dee-dee-dee.
I'd be afraid that the hoods who came out last time they came down will be around again - giving Frazer exactly what he wants. Saw something about the Continuity IRA (read drug dealers and gangsters) saying they'll be out to stop them when in reality what needs to happen is for them to get laughed out of the place.
Quote from: ziggysego on January 07, 2013, 03:26:58 PM
The US managed to remove the Union Flag from their fleg ;)
Not in Barack Obama's birthplace.
(http://www.usa4kids.com/images/bigflags/hawaii.gif)
(FAO any Tea Party supporters: that's not the Kenyan flag.)
Quote from: gallsman on January 07, 2013, 03:30:34 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 07, 2013, 03:27:54 PM
I think it'd be a great idea for a load of people to turn up and burst their holes laughing at these bucks, perhaps with a couple of election type vans playing Bring on the Clowns as they march along. Dum-dum-dum-diddy-dum-dee-dee-dee.
I'd be afraid that the hoods who came out last time they came down will be around again - giving Frazer exactly what he wants. Saw something about the Continuity IRA (read drug dealers and gangsters) saying they'll be out to stop them when in reality what needs to happen is for them to get laughed out of the place.
I'd say that's what the guards will be trying to deal with. If they have any sense they'll allow Willie's buses all the way into Kildare Street, cordon it off and let him and the looneys hand in their letter and feck off back up before the Final Scores are in on BBC NI so they can see how Linfield got on.
As per anything Willie Frazer it's very hard to see how anything good can come of this. I'd also be worried about the hoods who may, and probably will, come out giving him what he wants.
Why they're being allowed anywhere near the place is beyond me and if it's a letter could he not go down himself and hand it in. They should meet them at the border...
Just out of Interest does the Tri Colour fly on days the Dail isnt sitting? IE will there be a flag flying on Leinster house on saturday when the boyos come down for their protest.
sorry might be showing some ignorance here.
Its only a protest so hopefully the knackers from the rira stay away, we dont need anymore love ulster scenarios
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 07, 2013, 03:35:43 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 07, 2013, 03:30:34 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 07, 2013, 03:27:54 PM
I think it'd be a great idea for a load of people to turn up and burst their holes laughing at these bucks, perhaps with a couple of election type vans playing Bring on the Clowns as they march along. Dum-dum-dum-diddy-dum-dee-dee-dee.
I'd be afraid that the hoods who came out last time they came down will be around again - giving Frazer exactly what he wants. Saw something about the Continuity IRA (read drug dealers and gangsters) saying they'll be out to stop them when in reality what needs to happen is for them to get laughed out of the place.
I'd say that's what the guards will be trying to deal with. If they have any sense they'll allow Willie's buses all the way into Kildare Street, cordon it off and let him and the looneys hand in their letter and feck off back up before the Final Scores are in on BBC NI so they can see how Linfield got on.
Cars were burnt out in Nassau Street last time for a demonstration on O'Connell Street. Cordoning off Kildare Street may end up doing nothing as the proud republicans of Sherrif Street and Summerhill show their loyalty to a united Ireland.
Yeah, but if the knackers burn cars for Ireland out of the view of Willie and his Weirdos, at least they can't say they were 'set upon' by a mob in Dublin, and see how intolerant to our Unionist Culture those Mexicans are?
Apparently this lad Bryson fancies himself as a bit of an author:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Four-Men-Had-Dream-ebook/dp/B008QZ5W3Q/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1357579571&sr=8-4
Here is an excerpt from his book (courtesy of Slugger O'Toole)
Whoah what a night that was. Head is banging and can remember none. Makes you wonder is it all worth it, getting pissed that is, but what the hell it was some night.
f**k me, or Lol as my comment will say. Our James, I dont even know why I call him our James, he is in no way related to me. I guess its just one of those sayings made up over the years here in Belfast.
Our wee James blasting out the biggest load of shite on facebook, have to call him up give him a lashing. 'Yo' says Jamesy as he picks up the phone, 'feeling rough as a badgers arse' he factually states before I could even open my mouth. 'You'll be feeling worse once you check out facebook' I equally factually informed him. Immediately he snapped back 'yeh why'. Where do I begin.
' well mate your on the stage in the Shankill Rangers Club giving a speech, dunno how the f**k you got the microphone, but you are telling everyone you had a dream that God was sending a hero from Ulster to bring the wee teddy bears back from the brink.' Silence.
'Right gotta go, and here mate that may look daft, but I did have that dream yano. And I was sober. Catch you later.'
By f**k will you be catching me later I thought, the gravy running clean out of me and I am shitting through the eye of a needle ever since I opened my eyes. Saying that our James in that facebook video has brightened my day. Take something, it's pishing down outside.
Milk Cup just finished last week there, I once played in that no so long ago. Some player I was, the next Gazza some said. Shite your thinking, but I can tell you that if i'd stuck at it I would be playing for the Rangers. That was my boyhood dream as I dozed back to sleep....
'BILLY BILLY' , 'Hello Hello', 'I have chosen you boy. You will bring the Rangers back. You are the man I have chosen. Take you boots and board the ferry. Your dream is a reality.'
f**k me. That was some dream, it was so vivid. Get my boots and board the ferry? Maybe this is the chance I have been waiting on.
'Ma' I bellowed down the stairs. 'Yes Billy' she bellowed back. 'What do you call that auld great uncle or whatever he is, yano the one who lives in Glassgow.'
'That would be John son, f**king lunatic. Still follows that Rangers team everywhere, hasn't missed since he came back from the war. 86 years old.' f**k me I thought, must be some character.
I decided to look auld John up on facebook, then I caught my f**king self on. Hold on a minute, thats...f**k me auld John is on facebook. 86 years of age and on facebook. Lol and check out that profile picture, its him and Andy Goram in the 9 in a row season. They look pissed. Yep, they are definately pissed. Uncle John is anyway.
Oh and he even has a mobile, think I will give him a bell. Hope he is pissed, then the idea of me coming over on the basis of a dream to offer my services to my boyhood heroes wont seem so f**king absurd. I must ring the Jamesy fella aswell, f**k maybe his dream wasn't far off. Well at least he knows he wasn't the player in the dream, he is shite.
;D ;D ;D ;D
QuoteOne man had a dream. His name is Jamie Bryson. He dreamt that he was a capable writer and political thinker. He is neither. Jamie needs to wake up.
The reviews on Amazon are often some of the best comedy on the internet. ;D
Written by someone who thinks they are a writer but clearly is not. What crap that is.
I just can't believe I read that. I feel very dirty ...
Better than O'Neill's guff thou
Quote from: Ard-Rí on January 07, 2013, 05:51:40 PM
I just can't believe I read that. I feel very dirty ...
I felt obliged to leave some feedback.
QuoteBetter than O'Neill's guff thou
and better punctuated than Lawnseed's
Very good reading, I needed a laugh!!
"I was given this book by a trusted friend I met at a cross community event at Sandy Row Orange Hall. The cross community groups involved were the LVF and UDA. I really enjoyed the read and think Jamie Bryson is Ulster's answer to David Icke as a social and political commentator. The ornate and colourful way he describes in his subtext how William the Conqueror came over and stopped them Roman Catholics praying and polluting good Ulster Folks' minds was mindblowing. This man should be given a Pulitzer Prize, swiftly followed by the Nobel Peace Prize and finish it off with the Turner Prize, because this is the prose equivalent of Andy Warhol's Campbell Soup."
"This young Bryson lad is a (Christian) God send. An absolutely fascinating literary work which provides a succint yet incisive view of the casual violence, gratuitous sectarianism, educational under attainment, heavy drinking, gutteral obscenities and all roung barely literate shallowness of the Ulster loyalist world.
Jamie Bryson is the next leader of the Ulster Nation and this sterling socological work irrefuteably proves just how qualified this brilliant young literary and academic genius is to lead a wisen people.
Well done Jamie. Up the pwavince, we awe the people."
"I just could not put this book down!!!.....I found myself weading thwe bwook thwe wway jamiwee wwould!! As a twue uwlster mwan, i beliweve jamiwe hwas wwealwy wwealwy captwured whwat it means twwo bwe a wrangers suppowter, my fwends in the woyal owange wodge weallwy wove it twooo!!
I cwan not waiwt untwil thwee WAUDIO BWWOOK!!!"
"I was attracted to this book intially because of the crayon drawings.
Imagine my disappointment when I realized that what I had thought to be crayon drawings were actually the inane meanderings of the writer who, being German, has but a minimal grasp of the english language.
On the bright side (and hence my one star review) prior to picking up this "book" I was entirely unaware that books could be written in the style of a speech impediment.
Buyers will wish to note that all and any profits from the sale of the book go to help meet the costs associated with the redevelopment of the Sandy Row area of south Belfast and the building of the planned retirement home for catholic priests at that site."
"I picked this book up at the secondhand bookstore beside the Europa. The proprietor has refused to refund the 11 pence it cost me.
The atrocious use of grammar and the countless spelling mistakes didn't deter me; in fact, it added an element of humour to the novel (probably unintentional)by reading like a young child's attempt at creative writing.
The reason I disliked this book so intensely was related to the sheer pretentiousness of the novel. The author's attempt to create life-like scenarios and use strong dialect were abysmal and in many places appeared desperate.
I have given the book one star out of respect for the tree which provided the paper the book's printed on."
Quote'feeling rough as a badgers arse' he factually states
To quote Shakespeare himself "lol".
My god, who printed that shite?? Lawnseed, do you need an agent? T'is time we cashed in on it!
It doesn't stop there.... I was reading on twitter he has a series of youtube videos.
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on January 05, 2013, 11:20:47 PM
In facebook search "loyalist peaceful protest updator" the mindset of the majority of posters make for depressing reading for those of us wishing this current trouble would come to an end anytime soon
Looks like that particular page has been taken down.
Alliance voted with unionists tonight at Belfast City Council to give money for "Loyalist bonfires" so looks like the intimidation worked.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on January 07, 2013, 09:08:25 PM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on January 05, 2013, 11:20:47 PM
In facebook search "loyalist peaceful protest updator" the mindset of the majority of posters make for depressing reading for those of us wishing this current trouble would come to an end anytime soon
Looks like that particular page has been taken down.
Noticed that it had disappeared earlier today, came across another one " keep the union flag flying over Belfast city hall" still a depressing read but there seem to be more posters on this page with a bit of common sense with regards to the street violence
Is it true that a few weeks ago the protestors attacked an Alliance & Leicester building, thinking that it was an Alliance Party office?
Quote from: Arthur_Friend on January 07, 2013, 05:29:46 PM
Apparently this lad Bryson fancies himself as a bit of an author:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Four-Men-Had-Dream-ebook/dp/B008QZ5W3Q/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1357579571&sr=8-4
Here is an excerpt from his book (courtesy of Slugger O'Toole)
Whoah what a night that was. Head is banging and can remember none. Makes you wonder is it all worth it, getting pissed
blah
blah
blah
I much prefer his Uncle Bill's work. I'm currently reading this one which is educational and entertaining http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bill-Bryson-Walk-Woods/dp/B0014A0SI4 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bill-Bryson-Walk-Woods/dp/B0014A0SI4)
Quote from: Orior on January 07, 2013, 09:30:45 PM
Is it true that a few weeks ago the protestors attacked an Alliance & Leicester building, thinking that it was an Alliance Party office?
No, you just made it up.
Quote from: Agent Orange on January 07, 2013, 09:40:24 PM
Quote from: Orior on January 07, 2013, 09:30:45 PM
Is it true that a few weeks ago the protestors attacked an Alliance & Leicester building, thinking that it was an Alliance Party office?
No, you just made it up.
Darn it!
I suppose the story about them thinking that Allianz was Alliance as Gaeilge isn't true either?
Frazer must be the most hypocritical person in Ireland. Champions himself as a victims campaigner on the one hand and on the other stands hand and hand with loyalist paramilitaries and says he can understand why there'd be trouble over the flag. The media could have some craic with him if they wanted to. He can't be wise in the head!
Cliftonville (Fenian team from N.BElfast) supporters (On Sky tonight during match with Glentoran (East Belfast team) "Your flag your flag, wherever it may be,it's no longer in our City" to tune of Lord of the Dance!
What will happen if the Flag decision is reversed?
Lurgan will riot...
I don't think it will be reversed however I think a lot of other council buildings will have their flag flying days increased from designated days to every day of the year. Craigavon look to be heading that way.
If the decision is reversed or amended then it would be one of the most depressing situations in our troubled history, a clear indication that democracy only works one way.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 08, 2013, 11:26:41 AM
If the decision is reversed or amended then it would be one of the most depressing situations in our troubled history, a clear indication that democracy only works one way.
Democracy will only ever work one way in this part of the world, one 'half' of the population do not want to share power or to give equal rights or recognition of culture to the other. I cant see this changing any time soon so were are in a cycle of perpetual violence and unrest.
Craigavon only went to designated days after equality advice from their solicitors, they are not renowned for unilaterally being inclusive.
Nolan this morning continued the BBC policy of recent days by giving Jim Wilson a platform and loads of air time to voice his anti equality anti nationalist agenda. Gerry Kelly's response such as it was was pathetic. Conal McDevitt hit the nail on the head though. They then proceeded to let a head case from the short Strand spout about the RUC incoherently...has the Beeb an agenda? Why do SF politicians not spell out that equality means and a shared future means respect for the divided indentity in NI. Unionists of all hues as Conal McDevitt says always give way to the lowest common bigoted denominator. And why does no Protestant Clergyman not challenge the right of these people to speak on behalf of a religion?
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 08, 2013, 11:17:34 AM
Lurgan will riot...
I don't think it will be reversed however I think a lot of other council buildings will have their flag flying days increased from designated days to every day of the year. Craigavon look to be heading that way.
Lurgan surprisingly doesn't seem interested. There was a 'protest' on 21st Dec and we were out for our Christmas do that evening, there were more of us (16/17) than there were Loyalist protesters.
Portadown's Unionist community on the other hand, has been collectively pissing itself over the flag. Craigavon Council has a disproportionate number of Unionist Councillors and a proud track record of backward thinking and is generally stuck in a time-warp of which the place is named after. So their motion to review flag policy is not at all surprising.
If Craigavon does this, what odds on Derry, Newry etc hoisting the Tricolour? Nationalists are usually much too sensible for such infantile moves but such a dose of reality might be what these pricks need.
Quote from: Ulick on January 08, 2013, 11:43:46 AM
If Craigavon does this, what odds on Derry, Newry etc hoisting the Tricolour? Nationalists are usually much too sensible for such infantile moves but such a dose of reality might be what these pricks need.
Best thing to do is sit back and let these idiots dig themselves into a bigger hole for all the world to see.
Quote from: ziggysego on January 08, 2013, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: Ulick on January 08, 2013, 11:43:46 AM
If Craigavon does this, what odds on Derry, Newry etc hoisting the Tricolour? Nationalists are usually much too sensible for such infantile moves but such a dose of reality might be what these pricks need.
Best thing to do is sit back and let these idiots dig themselves into a bigger hole for all the world to see.
Precisely though my worry would be that a lot of "republican" chumps will come out and undo all that if they come out and riote when Wullie visits. Very strong possibility too.
QuoteFrazer must be the most hypocritical person in Ireland.
All politics is hypocritical to some extent. But Unionism is entirely without any sense of shame about demanding things for themselves that they do not offer to others. They don't admit, even in principle, to any need for symmetry in dealings with people which is a prerequisite for democracy. So 55% of the voters in Craigavon can do what they like, but if 85% of the voters in Newry and Mourne did the opposite then this would be an "outrage".
Their basic problem is this census map.
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Quote from: armaghniac on January 08, 2013, 11:56:01 AM
QuoteSo 55% of the voters in Craigavon can do what they like, but if 85% of the voters in Newry and Mourne did the opposite then this would be an "outrage".
*48% ;)
Quote from: Ulick on January 08, 2013, 11:43:46 AM
If Craigavon does this, what odds on Derry, Newry etc hoisting the Tricolour? Nationalists are usually much too sensible for such infantile moves but such a dose of reality might be what these pricks need.
I have a feeling that this would not be legally permitted as the tricolour doesn't have any legal status in the official state in which Newry, Derry, Strabane etc find themselves and would require planning permission.
If I'm right, it could be a blessing for nationalism/republicanism if any meatheads try to do it.
QuoteI have a feeling that this would not be legally permitted as the tricolour doesn't have any legal status in the official state in which Newry, Derry, Strabane etc find themselves and would require planning permission.
Surely a flag does not require planning permission, once the flagpole has such permission.
Are you suggesting that the fleg crowd should take a case that Belfast City Hall needs permission for a change of use!
Quote from: armaghniac on January 08, 2013, 12:39:37 PM
QuoteI have a feeling that this would not be legally permitted as the tricolour doesn't have any legal status in the official state in which Newry, Derry, Strabane etc find themselves and would require planning permission.
Surely a flag does not require planning permission, once the flagpole has such permission.
Are you suggesting that the fleg crowd should take a case that Belfast City Hall needs permission for a change of use!
Under the Town and Country Planning Act 1990, flags come within the definition of advertisement" and their display is controlled by the Town and Country Planning (Control of Advertisements) Regulations 1992. However, under Schedule 2 of the Regulations, the national flag of any country, and this includes the Union flag, is exempt from advertisement control provided each flag is flown from a single vertical flagpole and neither the flag nor the flagpole display any advertisement additional to the design of the flag.So you don't need planning permission to fly the Union Flag, but you do to fly the Tricolour or any other flag.
QuoteHowever, under Schedule 2 of the Regulations, the national flag of any country, and this includes the Union flag, is exempt from advertisement control
Tricolour would seem to be fine.
Is flying the union flag upside down covered?
NI has its own regulations under The Flags Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2000 which only allows flags other than the Union flag (and strangely the EU flag I believe) to be flown at government buildings when a head of state is visiting.
I assume that council offices are government buildings.
Even the red and white "Ulster" flag is not permitted.
Quote from: Rois on January 08, 2013, 01:12:06 PM
NI has its own regulations under The Flags Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2000 which only allows flags other than the Union flag (and strangely the EU flag I believe) to be flown at government buildings when a head of state is visiting.
I assume that council offices are government buildings.
Even the red and white "Ulster" flag is not permitted.
Not sure about all of this. My local council (Castlereagh) has the old Stormont NI and Union Jack flags up the poles everyday. I'm guessing the 'The Flags Regulations (Northern Ireland) ' Order only regulates government buildings - which aren't the same as council buildings. So Derry, Newry, Limavady and the other nationalist councils could hoist any flag they like.
Quote from: Ulick on January 08, 2013, 01:28:38 PM
Not sure about all of this. My local council (Castlereagh) has the old Stormont NI and Union Jack flags up the poles everyday. I'm guessing the 'The Flags Regulations (Northern Ireland) ' Order only regulates government buildings - which aren't the same as council buildings. So Derry, Newry, Limavady and the other nationalist councils could hoist any flag they like.
Ah - then ignore what I have said. I was basing it on the assumption that they were government buildings.
Quote from: ziggysego on January 08, 2013, 12:45:33 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 08, 2013, 12:39:37 PM
QuoteI have a feeling that this would not be legally permitted as the tricolour doesn't have any legal status in the official state in which Newry, Derry, Strabane etc find themselves and would require planning permission.
Surely a flag does not require planning permission, once the flagpole has such permission.
Are you suggesting that the fleg crowd should take a case that Belfast City Hall needs permission for a change of use!
Under the Town and Country Planning Act 1990, flags come within the definition of advertisement" and their display is controlled by the Town and Country Planning (Control of Advertisements) Regulations 1992. However, under Schedule 2 of the Regulations, the national flag of any country, and this includes the Union flag, is exempt from advertisement control provided each flag is flown from a single vertical flagpole and neither the flag nor the flagpole display any advertisement additional to the design of the flag.
So you don't need planning permission to fly the Union Flag, but you do to fly the Tricolour or any other flag.
Ziggs NI didn't have a Parliament in 1990 so they couldn't have passed an "Act". To see of that applies here you'll be looking for an "Order".
QuoteSo Derry, Newry, Limavady and the other nationalist councils could hoist any flag they like.
Hopefully, Newry and Mourne would fly the Armagh flag.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 08, 2013, 11:56:01 AM
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There's a bloke on Politics.ie (spits) that was always barreling in with the idea of a county by county vote for reunification. Thus giving each county an autonomous decision to leave or stay in the UK. If he ever got his way it would Our Wee Wee Country wouldn't it.
QuoteIf he ever got his way it would Our Wee Wee Country wouldn't it.
It is pretty much piss already.
Quote from: thejuice on January 08, 2013, 03:27:03 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 08, 2013, 11:56:01 AM
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There's a bloke on Politics.ie (spits) that was always barreling in with the idea of a county by county vote for reunification. Thus giving each county an autonomous decision to leave or stay in the UK. If he ever got his way it would Our Wee Wee Country wouldn't it.
Why County by County? Why not by Council area, Postal district or by townland. The last partition was a bit broad brush. Wouldn't want to make the same mistake again.
Quote from: snoopdog on January 07, 2013, 03:42:35 PM
Just out of Interest does the Tri Colour fly on days the Dail isnt sitting? IE will there be a flag flying on Leinster house on saturday when the boyos come down for their protest.
sorry might be showing some ignorance here.
Its only a protest so hopefully the knackers from the rira stay away, we dont need anymore love ulster scenarios
I read somewhere it would not even be flying on Saturday. The only flags he will find will be the flags of the EU nations (including the Union flag) at the Dublin council offices. At least he can protest about the Italian flag there.
In 2006 for the "Love Ulster" march they trashed Dublin with construction material but that won't be available this time around ....
The best thing that could happen in Dublin is for Willie and his fools to be left sitting protesting at the dail, no tricolour on display (Dail is not sitting), no Eirigi eejits or Republican Sinn Fein or other scumbags to start trouble and maybe two guards hanging around. What Willie wants is a riot so he can say - "look what happened in Dublin when we asked them to remove their flag, they went mad just like in the North". The TV pictures should show nothing at all then his protest will have the complete opposite effect he was hoping for.
But can we hope the plastic paddies from Eirigi and the like will have the brains to see this - probably not!
Quote from: Itchy on January 08, 2013, 05:22:18 PM
The best thing that could happen in Dublin is for Willie and his fools to be left sitting protesting at the dail, no tricolour on display (Dail is not sitting), no Eirigi eejits or Republican Sinn Fein or other scumbags to start trouble and maybe two guards hanging around. What Willie wants is a riot so he can say - "look what happened in Dublin when we asked them to remove their flag, they went mad just like in the North". The TV pictures should show nothing at all then his protest will have the complete opposite effect he was hoping for.
But can we hope the plastic paddies from Eirigi and the like will have the brains to see this - probably not!
If only this would be the outcome but I doubt it.
Quote from: Itchy on January 08, 2013, 05:22:18 PM
The best thing that could happen in Dublin is for Willie and his fools to be left sitting protesting at the dail, no tricolour on display (Dail is not sitting), no Eirigi eejits or Republican Sinn Fein or other scumbags to start trouble and maybe two guards hanging around. What Willie wants is a riot so he can say - "look what happened in Dublin when we asked them to remove their flag, they went mad just like in the North". The TV pictures should show nothing at all then his protest will have the complete opposite effect he was hoping for.
But can we hope the plastic paddies from Eirigi and the like will have the brains to see this - probably not!
Totally agree, they'll be dying to let as many Dubliners as possible know "WE HATE YOUS CNUTS" and the "Citizen Smiths" will no doubt be there to reciprocate. How funny would it be as you say, if they were ignored. Wishfull thinking ::)
I've always been of the opinion that nowadays if a march is to go ahead, then everyone not being there to get offended is thee best way to deal with marches over the medium to long term. Close the blinds, go and visit friends, organise a fun day for the community away from the drones of them (whatever just don't give a toss about what they're doing). The scumbags love the agitation they cause so breaking the spell would really sicken their holes. Remember Dunloy used to be a sc**bag day trip destination. They came from all over when the marches were being rail roaded through and you could see the enjoyment they got from all the agro they were causing at that time. Those scumbags wouldn't be there if there was no fun in it for them. It may take time but in the long run it would show them up for what they're about.
QuoteBut can we hope the plastic paddies from Eirigi and the like will have the brains to see this - probably not!
Its pity it is on a Saturday, otherwise a special signing on day in Finglas might have done the trick.
If any protester can name all these days and can name the Duchess of Cornwall/Cambridge etc. then they should be allowed to fly the fleg every day. If they lose the challenge then no days. Would I get any takers?
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DESIGNATED DAYS FOR FLYING THE UNION FLAG*
*Source Department of Culture, Media and Sport and subject to review
9 January
Birthday of The Duchess of Cambridge
20 January
Birthday of The Countess of Wessex
6 February
Her Majesty's Accession
19 February
Birthday of The Duke of York
10 March
Birthday of The Earl of Wessex
11 March
Commonwealth Day (second Monday in March)
17 March
St Patrick's Day (in Northern Ireland only)
21 April
Birthday of Her Majesty The Queen
9 May
Europe Day
2 June
Coronation Day
10 June
Birthday of The Duke of Edinburgh
15 June
Official Celebration of Her Majesty's Birthday
21 June
Birthday of The Duke of Cambridge
17 July
Birthday of The Duchess of Cornwall
15 August
Birthday of The Princess Royal
10 November
Remembrance Day (second Sunday)
14 November
Birthday of The Prince of Wales
20 November
Her Majesty's Wedding Day
Quote from: ziggysego on January 08, 2013, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: Ulick on January 08, 2013, 11:43:46 AM
If Craigavon does this, what odds on Derry, Newry etc hoisting the Tricolour? Nationalists are usually much too sensible for such infantile moves but such a dose of reality might be what these pricks need.
Best thing to do is sit back and let these idiots dig themselves into a bigger hole for all the world to see.
Is the rest of the world seeing though? Since it started I've heard it mentioned on the news here twice, once when they threw the petrol bomb in the police car window and the other was today after the carry on last night. the word nationalist was used a lot in the news today which is a suprise since they should stay the hell out of it all.
Quote from: theskull1 on January 08, 2013, 05:52:45 PM
I've always been of the opinion that nowadays if a march is to go ahead, then everyone not being there to get offended is thee best way to deal with marches over the medium to long term. Close the blinds, go and visit friends, organise a fun day for the community away from the drones of them (whatever just don't give a toss about what they're doing). The scumbags love the agitation they cause so breaking the spell would really sicken their holes. Remember Dunloy used to be a sc**bag day trip destination. They came from all over when the marches were being rail roaded through and you could see the enjoyment they got from all the agro they were causing at that time. Those scumbags wouldn't be there if there was no fun in it for them. It may take time but in the long run it would show them up for what they're about.
Was in Derry with me da for a city break, it work out that the Saturday we arrived was Lundy Saturday. Bands from all over N.I there and when we got out of the taxi and dandered past the burning of Lundy there was a fuss or a second look from the locals who went on about their business and we felt no tension from punters in the pubs we drank in either, very refreshing I mentioned at the time.
Quote from: tyssam5 on January 08, 2013, 06:07:42 PM
If any protester can name all these days and can name the Duchess of Cornwall/Cambridge etc. then they should be allowed to fly the fleg every day. If they lose the challenge then no days. Would I get any takers?
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DESIGNATED DAYS FOR FLYING THE UNION FLAG*
20 January
Birthday of The Countess of Wessex
Does this mean that Sinn Fein care more about English Royalty than the Ulster Loyalists? The latter want to fly the flag all year round and hence dont treat the Cuntess's birthday as a special day.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2013, 08:49:32 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on January 08, 2013, 05:52:45 PM
I've always been of the opinion that nowadays if a march is to go ahead, then everyone not being there to get offended is thee best way to deal with marches over the medium to long term. Close the blinds, go and visit friends, organise a fun day for the community away from the drones of them (whatever just don't give a toss about what they're doing). The scumbags love the agitation they cause so breaking the spell would really sicken their holes. Remember Dunloy used to be a sc**bag day trip destination. They came from all over when the marches were being rail roaded through and you could see the enjoyment they got from all the agro they were causing at that time. Those scumbags wouldn't be there if there was no fun in it for them. It may take time but in the long run it would show them up for what they're about.
Was in Derry with me da for a city break, it work out that the Saturday we arrived was Lundy Saturday. Bands from all over N.I there and when we got out of the taxi and dandered past the burning of Lundy there was a fuss or a second look from the locals who went on about their business and we felt no tension from punters in the pubs we drank in either, very refreshing I mentioned at the time.
So you were not wearing an Antrim jersey. What is your point? I've been in the middle of Orange marches and didnt feel tension, even through I was wearing an Amagh polo shirt. And I'm sure Peter Robinson didnt feel tense when he visited the Athletic grounds.
Hang on, are you on a crusade to tell us that every thing is lovely and rosey in the occupied six?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2013, 08:49:32 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on January 08, 2013, 05:52:45 PM
I've always been of the opinion that nowadays if a march is to go ahead, then everyone not being there to get offended is thee best way to deal with marches over the medium to long term. Close the blinds, go and visit friends, organise a fun day for the community away from the drones of them (whatever just don't give a toss about what they're doing). The scumbags love the agitation they cause so breaking the spell would really sicken their holes. Remember Dunloy used to be a sc**bag day trip destination. They came from all over when the marches were being rail roaded through and you could see the enjoyment they got from all the agro they were causing at that time. Those scumbags wouldn't be there if there was no fun in it for them. It may take time but in the long run it would show them up for what they're about.
Was in Derry with me da for a city break, it work out that the Saturday we arrived was Lundy Saturday. Bands from all over N.I there and when we got out of the taxi and dandered past the burning of Lundy there was a fuss or a second look from the locals who went on about their business and we felt no tension from punters in the pubs we drank in either, very refreshing I mentioned at the time.
It's true that things have calmed in Derry but it is also true that most locals don't bother shopping for those few hours and a lot of trade is lost, all city centre bars are now nationalist since the "talk of the town" in the fountain closed. Most punters as you say just sit in watch the football until they piss back off to wherever the come from. But the police and Sinn Fein have done a lot of work to control
, calm and keep trouble at a minimum. The apprentice boys have also learnt that they need to do their bit to keep the more unsavoury elements away.
Willie Frazer on prime time now...popcorn out.
I don't think he blinked once during that interview...hilarious.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 08, 2013, 03:18:49 PM
QuoteSo Derry, Newry, Limavady and the other nationalist councils could hoist any flag they like.
Hopefully, Newry and Mourne would fly the Armagh flag.
maybe, if it was red and black.
just seen a young blonde woman out protesting their with her 3yr son? Her attitude, if we dont get what we want, he be protesting when he gets older too. Did none of these people go to school to get an education? they come across as so stupid, put of touch with reality, bitter, its like a scene out of shameless. I just cant understand the mentality, i have plenty of protestant friends, some in the orange order, its never bothered me, that was their business, they loved taking the ,mickey out of me when Tyrone were winning All-Irelands, and was i going to the game, as they knew i hated Tyrone lol. They called Derry, Derry not londonderry (Tyrone people take note). I seen the people on tv and i can honestly say i have not come across people like this, its so obvious they dont know any Catholics, have never had a catholic friend, how to people becomes so bitter? Willie Frazier i partially understand his mentality, he has had 5 members of his family killed, but you cant stay bitter forever, it just brings you down. I am good friends with someone who lost a brother at Teebane. We talked about it once, yes she was bitter but she knew she had to move on and bad things happen. She got plenty of Catholic friends, you got to move with the times. The problem in the north is too many people are stuck in the past, and unfortunately bringing a younger generation who knows nothing of the troubles onto the street. What the hell does Jamie Bryson know about the troubles. In his early 20`s i say very little.
Quote from: Orior on January 08, 2013, 09:23:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2013, 08:49:32 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on January 08, 2013, 05:52:45 PM
I've always been of the opinion that nowadays if a march is to go ahead, then everyone not being there to get offended is thee best way to deal with marches over the medium to long term. Close the blinds, go and visit friends, organise a fun day for the community away from the drones of them (whatever just don't give a toss about what they're doing). The scumbags love the agitation they cause so breaking the spell would really sicken their holes. Remember Dunloy used to be a sc**bag day trip destination. They came from all over when the marches were being rail roaded through and you could see the enjoyment they got from all the agro they were causing at that time. Those scumbags wouldn't be there if there was no fun in it for them. It may take time but in the long run it would show them up for what they're about.
Was in Derry with me da for a city break, it work out that the Saturday we arrived was Lundy Saturday. Bands from all over N.I there and when we got out of the taxi and dandered past the burning of Lundy there was a fuss or a second look from the locals who went on about their business and we felt no tension from punters in the pubs we drank in either, very refreshing I mentioned at the time.
So you were not wearing an Antrim jersey. What is your point? I've been in the middle of Orange marches and didnt feel tension, even through I was wearing an Amagh polo shirt. And I'm sure Peter Robinson didnt feel tense when he visited the Athletic grounds.
Hang on, are you on a crusade to tell us that every thing is lovely and rosey in the occupied six?
My point being, had you read what I was responding to was that ignoring the marchers and protests is far better than getting involved.
It's a far better place than the one I grew up in that's for sure. Dodging bullets, riots, bombings and murder on your doorstep was what I was seeing regularly living on the Falls during the 70's and 80's. You telling me it's not better?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2013, 10:37:24 PM
Quote from: Orior on January 08, 2013, 09:23:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2013, 08:49:32 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on January 08, 2013, 05:52:45 PM
I've always been of the opinion that nowadays if a march is to go ahead, then everyone not being there to get offended is thee best way to deal with marches over the medium to long term. Close the blinds, go and visit friends, organise a fun day for the community away from the drones of them (whatever just don't give a toss about what they're doing). The scumbags love the agitation they cause so breaking the spell would really sicken their holes. Remember Dunloy used to be a sc**bag day trip destination. They came from all over when the marches were being rail roaded through and you could see the enjoyment they got from all the agro they were causing at that time. Those scumbags wouldn't be there if there was no fun in it for them. It may take time but in the long run it would show them up for what they're about.
Was in Derry with me da for a city break, it work out that the Saturday we arrived was Lundy Saturday. Bands from all over N.I there and when we got out of the taxi and dandered past the burning of Lundy there was a fuss or a second look from the locals who went on about their business and we felt no tension from punters in the pubs we drank in either, very refreshing I mentioned at the time.
So you were not wearing an Antrim jersey. What is your point? I've been in the middle of Orange marches and didnt feel tension, even through I was wearing an Amagh polo shirt. And I'm sure Peter Robinson didnt feel tense when he visited the Athletic grounds.
Hang on, are you on a crusade to tell us that every thing is lovely and rosey in the occupied six?
My point being, had you read what I was responding to was that ignoring the marchers and protests is far better than getting involved.
It's a far better place than the one I grew up in that's for sure. Dodging bullets, riots, bombings and murder on your doorstep was what I was seeing regularly living on the Falls during the 70's and 80's. You telling me it's not better?
Totally agree. It is a 100 times better. But it doesnt have to end there. As you can tell, I'm one of those that will always consider myself Irish, not Northern Irish. But I also acknowledge that we share the six counties with Northern Irish, Ulster Scots, Peusdo English and British.
Quote from: Orior on January 08, 2013, 10:55:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2013, 10:37:24 PM
Quote from: Orior on January 08, 2013, 09:23:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2013, 08:49:32 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on January 08, 2013, 05:52:45 PM
I've always been of the opinion that nowadays if a march is to go ahead, then everyone not being there to get offended is thee best way to deal with marches over the medium to long term. Close the blinds, go and visit friends, organise a fun day for the community away from the drones of them (whatever just don't give a toss about what they're doing). The scumbags love the agitation they cause so breaking the spell would really sicken their holes. Remember Dunloy used to be a sc**bag day trip destination. They came from all over when the marches were being rail roaded through and you could see the enjoyment they got from all the agro they were causing at that time. Those scumbags wouldn't be there if there was no fun in it for them. It may take time but in the long run it would show them up for what they're about.
Was in Derry with me da for a city break, it work out that the Saturday we arrived was Lundy Saturday. Bands from all over N.I there and when we got out of the taxi and dandered past the burning of Lundy there was a fuss or a second look from the locals who went on about their business and we felt no tension from punters in the pubs we drank in either, very refreshing I mentioned at the time.
So you were not wearing an Antrim jersey. What is your point? I've been in the middle of Orange marches and didnt feel tension, even through I was wearing an Amagh polo shirt. And I'm sure Peter Robinson didnt feel tense when he visited the Athletic grounds.
Hang on, are you on a crusade to tell us that every thing is lovely and rosey in the occupied six?
My point being, had you read what I was responding to was that ignoring the marchers and protests is far better than getting involved.
It's a far better place than the one I grew up in that's for sure. Dodging bullets, riots, bombings and murder on your doorstep was what I was seeing regularly living on the Falls during the 70's and 80's. You telling me it's not better?
Totally agree. It is a 100 times better. But it doesnt have to end there. As you can tell, I'm one of those that will always consider myself Irish, not Northern Irish. But I also acknowledge that we share the six counties with Northern Irish, Ulster Scots, Peusdo English and British.
I'm as Irish as you and I love my hurling to the core, but I'd prefer my kids don't see the violence that went on when I was young in Belfast. I will always try and see both sides to every argument, I'd hate to think that if equality or even nationalist were in the majority that nationalist treat the loyalists as they were treated since partition
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 08, 2013, 10:36:31 PM
just seen a young blonde woman out protesting their with her 3yr son? Her attitude, if we dont get what we want, he be protesting when he gets older too. Did none of these people go to school to get an education? they come across as so stupid, put of touch with reality, bitter, its like a scene out of shameless. I just cant understand the mentality, i have plenty of protestant friends, some in the orange order, its never bothered me, that was their business, they loved taking the ,mickey out of me when Tyrone were winning All-Irelands, and was i going to the game, as they knew i hated Tyrone lol. They called Derry, Derry not londonderry (Tyrone people take note). I seen the people on tv and i can honestly say i have not come across people like this, its so obvious they dont know any Catholics, have never had a catholic friend, how to people becomes so bitter? Willie Frazier i partially understand his mentality, he has had 5 members of his family killed, but you cant stay bitter forever, it just brings you down. I am good friends with someone who lost a brother at Teebane. We talked about it once, yes she was bitter but she knew she had to move on and bad things happen. She got plenty of Catholic friends, you got to move with the times. The problem in the north is too many people are stuck in the past, and unfortunately bringing a younger generation who knows nothing of the troubles onto the street. What the hell does Jamie Bryson know about the troubles. In his early 20`s i say very little.
+1
Haven't talked to a single prod who agrees with these protest. Watched the YouTube video of frazer calling Adams a paedo there now. Disgrace. But what struck me was the absolute lack of intelligence from the mob. Now I know ones will say "what you expect". But i think they were even too stupid to be bigots. Just watch it, they are a laughing at "jokes" kids wouldn't find funny. The socially deprived loyalist communities have been badly let down by their politicians and they now have left a new generation of uneducated, unemployable idiots as a burden on this society.
Jeremy Kyle should do an East Belfast special.
QuoteI'd hate to think that if equality or even nationalist were in the majority that nationalist treat the loyalists as they were treated since partition
Loyalists are and will not be treated with the same measure. The example of Derry above is a good one, the Apprentice Boys did talk, and when that happened marches were possible and no impossible conditions were placed on them. This is the model for the future generally. This happens because Irish people have no reason to behave in a ridiculous way, whereas the entire Unionist project is based on "not an inch" , "no surrender" and suchlike flexibility. And these protestors are so ingrained into their narrow minded way to thinking that they cannot conceive of nationalists as anything other than the bigotted narrow minded opposite image of themselves. They have managed to turn nationalists in conflict zones in Belfast into something of a mirror image, lighting bonfires and burning flags and similar codology. But the bulk of the Irish people have no reason whatsoever to maltreat unionists in the the Ireland that will emerge and by and large will just think of them as an odd leftover from the past, not worth hating.
Problem sorted. ;D
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Quote from: EC Unique on January 09, 2013, 12:44:17 PM
Problem sorted. ;D
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haha love it.
Quote from: EC Unique on January 09, 2013, 12:44:17 PM
Problem sorted. ;D
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"They're new & they are Beautiful". Priceless.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 08, 2013, 11:56:01 AM
QuoteFrazer must be the most hypocritical person in Ireland.
All politics is hypocritical to some extent. But Unionism is entirely without any sense of shame about demanding things for themselves that they do not offer to others. They don't admit, even in principle, to any need for symmetry in dealings with people which is a prerequisite for democracy. So 55% of the voters in Craigavon can do what they like, but if 85% of the voters in Newry and Mourne did the opposite then this would be an "outrage".
Their basic problem is this census map.
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Frazer is as dumb as a bag of hammers, he is absolutely neanderthal material and for the life of me I cannot understand how this stupid , twisted wee man gets as much run as he does!
Adams could sue the hoor but knows he would only be feeding this idiot with more publicity and give him the attention he craves.
I think they face the same problem as the other side of the fence. How many reports have their been of dissident shootings and punishment beatings and the majority of the Catholic population wouldnt support it - but none of us stand up and say anything. We let a small minority control or dictate what the world sees.
Naomi Long called them gatekeepers to communities. They intimidate and threaten and make lots of noise and the ordinary decent people sit back.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2013, 11:05:04 PM
Quote from: Orior on January 08, 2013, 10:55:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2013, 10:37:24 PM
Quote from: Orior on January 08, 2013, 09:23:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2013, 08:49:32 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on January 08, 2013, 05:52:45 PM
I've always been of the opinion that nowadays if a march is to go ahead, then everyone not being there to get offended is thee best way to deal with marches over the medium to long term. Close the blinds, go and visit friends, organise a fun day for the community away from the drones of them (whatever just don't give a toss about what they're doing). The scumbags love the agitation they cause so breaking the spell would really sicken their holes. Remember Dunloy used to be a sc**bag day trip destination. They came from all over when the marches were being rail roaded through and you could see the enjoyment they got from all the agro they were causing at that time. Those scumbags wouldn't be there if there was no fun in it for them. It may take time but in the long run it would show them up for what they're about.
Was in Derry with me da for a city break, it work out that the Saturday we arrived was Lundy Saturday. Bands from all over N.I there and when we got out of the taxi and dandered past the burning of Lundy there was a fuss or a second look from the locals who went on about their business and we felt no tension from punters in the pubs we drank in either, very refreshing I mentioned at the time.
So you were not wearing an Antrim jersey. What is your point? I've been in the middle of Orange marches and didnt feel tension, even through I was wearing an Amagh polo shirt. And I'm sure Peter Robinson didnt feel tense when he visited the Athletic grounds.
Hang on, are you on a crusade to tell us that every thing is lovely and rosey in the occupied six?
My point being, had you read what I was responding to was that ignoring the marchers and protests is far better than getting involved.
It's a far better place than the one I grew up in that's for sure. Dodging bullets, riots, bombings and murder on your doorstep was what I was seeing regularly living on the Falls during the 70's and 80's. You telling me it's not better?
Totally agree. It is a 100 times better. But it doesnt have to end there. As you can tell, I'm one of those that will always consider myself Irish, not Northern Irish. But I also acknowledge that we share the six counties with Northern Irish, Ulster Scots, Peusdo English and British.
I'm as Irish as you and I love my hurling to the core, but I'd prefer my kids don't see the violence that went on when I was young in Belfast. I will always try and see both sides to every argument, I'd hate to think that if equality or even nationalist were in the majority that nationalist treat the loyalists as they were treated since partition
Emmm, I totally agree!
Quote from: Orior on January 09, 2013, 02:46:07 PMQuote
I'm as Irish as you and I love my hurling to the core, but I'd prefer my kids don't see the violence that went on when I was young in Belfast. I will always try and see both sides to every argument, I'd hate to think that if equality or even nationalist were in the majority that nationalist treat the loyalists as they were treated since partition
Emmm, I totally agree!
If you look back over the last 400 years, if the most contentious issue is protests without fatalities over a flag, we are moving in the right direction.
That's some killer 'glass half-full' thinking muppet! The fleg protests are an indicator of progress!
QuotePastor Barry Halliday of Families Acting for Innocent Relatives (Fair) told TheJournal.ie that the protest had been postponed on the advice of the gardaí and will be rescheduled at a later date.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 09, 2013, 04:11:21 PM
QuotePastor Barry Halliday of Families Acting for Innocent Relatives (Fair) told TheJournal.ie that the protest had been postponed on the advice of the gardaí and will be rescheduled at a later date.
Cowards.
They were reporting on the News At One that Frazer said he would call off the protest if the Garda said it would endanger life. The guards weren't going to think too long over that one.
Quote from: Hardy on January 09, 2013, 04:13:27 PM
They were reporting on the News At One that Frazer said he would call off the protest if the Garda said it would endanger life. The guards weren't going to think too long over that one.
Cowards is right, anyhow, the two of them would have been fine, the Guard would have made sure the three scumbags that showed up to harass them got nowhere near them.
I'm glad to hear that. Nothing good could have come from this.
Quote from: Franko on January 09, 2013, 03:07:26 PM
That's some killer 'glass half-full' thinking muppet! The fleg protests are an indicator of progress!
The fact that people aren't dying is progress, the flegs issue daft as it is, must be better than what went before.
Quote from: muppet on January 09, 2013, 06:30:53 PM
Quote from: Franko on January 09, 2013, 03:07:26 PM
That's some killer 'glass half-full' thinking muppet! The fleg protests are an indicator of progress!
The fact that people aren't dying is progress, the flegs issue daft as it is, must be better than what went before.
Hope you're right, considering it was a flag issue that helped light the blue touchpaper in the 60s when Paisley marched his scum up to Divis Street to remove a tiny tricolour from an election office ... I hope I'm wrong, but how long before they start murdering Fenians again?
Yeah, I agree to an extent. The comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek. I do think though, that with 80 odd PSNI injured so far and a few narrow misses with bombs etc that it's only a matter of time before the fleg protests produce a fatality - police or civilian.
Today's interesting fact:
The water in the water cannon must be at room temperature, and not laced with any nasty ingredients. Otherwise the police could be infringing the protestors human rights.
The Housemartins were way ahead of their time:
Flag Day:
It's a waste of time if you know what they mean
Try shaking a box in front of the queen
'cause her purse is fat and bursting at the seams
It's a waste of time if you know what they mean
Flag day, flag day, flag day
Rumour is there are huge demonstrations planned across the province from 6 this evening... is that true? I've to head home from Dublin and that would seriously affect me getting home.
Unfortunately there are supposedly protests planned all over the shop at 6 o'clock this evening.
I'm on a flight arriving into the city airport at 9. Are these knuckle draggers likely to be blocking roads between the city airport and the M1?
Quote from: screenexile on January 11, 2013, 09:27:33 AM
Rumour is there are huge demonstrations planned across the province from 6 this evening... is that true? I've to head home from Dublin and that would seriously affect me getting home.
I doubt they will be huge, more likely just the usual handfuls of spides and women in their jammies.
Quote from: laceer on January 11, 2013, 09:56:54 AM
I'm on a flight arriving into the city airport at 9. Are these knuckle draggers likely to be blocking roads between the city airport and the M1?
Should be over before 9 seems its a 2 hour session, I hope the rain and sleet kicks in!!
Quote from: laceer on January 11, 2013, 09:56:54 AM
I'm on a flight arriving into the city airport at 9. Are these knuckle draggers likely to be blocking roads between the city airport and the M1?
Unlikely. Mostly dual carriageway between the two.
One of the things that really gets to me about the whole saga is the reluctance of the media to call these people on one of their greatest bluffs, the 'peaceful protest'.
Never mind throwing bricks and bottles, once one of the protestors steps on to the road to block it, the protest is no longer a peaceful one! They are now criminals!
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 11, 2013, 09:33:21 AM
Unfortunately there are supposedly protests planned all over the shop at 6 o'clock this evening.
It was interesting how the protests were switched off for the Protestant Unionist Forum meeting. And then at the flick of a switch turned on again.
Yet the police with all their supposed intelligence cannot find who is behind it.
Are they going to block ballygawely roundabout this eve?? Seen something in ulster herald yesterday!! thats the last thing you would want on a friday evening!!!!!!!!!!!
I saw a longer list than this earlier on but can't find it again. No mention of Ballygawley though if I remember correctly
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Cheers. A good founderin' will hopefully sort them out
Good to see they're going to block The Queen's Jubilee Roundabout in Larne. Another example of the chip, chip, chipping away at our Irishness!
Quote from: AQMP on January 11, 2013, 11:06:02 AM
Good to see they're going to block The Queen's Jubilee Roundabout in Larne. Another example of the chip, chip, chipping away at our Irishness!
I had a hand in making thon thing ;D
A small number of senior UVF men are directing the riots in east Belfast that have brought shame on Northern Ireland.
Two senior henchmen of the UVF chief in east Belfast have ignored warnings from the organisation's leadership to bring an end to the violence which has left dozens of PSNI officers injured and cost millions of pounds.
And while the UVF's leader in the east of the city — as the 'Beast from the East' — could end the rioting immediately, he has failed to bring his men under control.
On Monday night — when police were forced to fire plastic bullets after being attacked with petrol bombs, hatchets and sledgehammers — the east Belfast 'battalion commander' used his influence to order an end to the attacks on police for the night.
But he has taken little involvement since then.
"He is not organising all of this but he could stop it if he wanted," a community source said.
A security source added: "Their boss isn't stopping them... he does have the power to stop it."
The lives of east Belfast's residents and its traders have been thrown into turmoil by the few hundred people who have been called out to riot. The main man behind the riots is second in command of the UVF in east Belfast.
From the Newtownards Road area, he has been determined to keep the violence churning after his partner — who is the sister of the second man helping to organise the riots — was allegedly struck by a police baton during disorder in the area at the weekend.
It is understood that the woman was arrested by police on Saturday for public order offences.
"He (the second in command) would have more power than their commander to get people out on the streets," the source added.
His accomplice, from the Sydenham area of east Belfast, is currently on bail for drugs offences.
"Look what he has been able to help do to the area over the past week. I'm pretty sure he's in breach of any bail conditions," another source said.
"The refusal of both men to stop directing the riots has raised fears that the UVF within east Belfast is out of control and could split from the mainstream terror organisation.
"The UVF has not ordered people out rioting. In the east its members are doing their own thing," the source added.
It is not the first time the UVF in east Belfast has acted without authority of the organisation's leadership. In June 2011 the 'Beast from the East' directed riots in the area.
Both the main organisers of the current riots were part of a loyalist delegation that met First Minister Peter Robinson in the summer of 2011 when politicians moved to calm the situation after the UVF was linked by police to an organised attack on the nationalist Short Strand.
More than £7m has been spent policing the loyalist flag protests and associated disorder. A large number of local traders have warned that the disturbances are ruining their businesses and some could be forced to close down.
Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/the-beast-from-east-belfast-could-put-an-end-to-flags-violence-right-now-but-he-wonrsquot-16259762.html#ixzz2HfdwH5tk
Friday 11 January
3.30pm - Alliance Office, 56 Upper Newtownards Road, Belfast
4.45pm – Lanark Way, Shankill, Belfast
5.30pm – Shops at West Winds, then heading to Conway Square, Newtownards, Belfast (note change of time)
6.00pm – 8.00pm – Multiple protests are stating to be occurring province wide across Northern Ireland – this is now being called 'Operation Standstill'. Intelligence at present suggests that protests will take place in north Belfast, Newtownards, Bangor, Portadown, Ballynahinch, Rathcoole, Dundonald, Newtownards Road and Larne. Other locations are also expected to hold protests.
6.00pm – Langley Road Pavilion, Ballynahinch
6.00pm – Boyne Bridge, Sandy Row, Belfast
6.00pm – Cregagh Estate, Belfast
6.00pm – Harbour Car Park, Carrickfergus (changed from Castle Car Park)
6.00pm – Queen's Jubilee Roundabout, Larne
6.00pm – Cambrai Street / Crumlin Road, Belfast
6.00pm – Robbs Road, Upper Newtownards Road, Dundonald, Belfast
6.00pm – Abbey Street, Bangor
6.00pm – Magherafelt, Magherafelt (no further details given)
6.00pm – Cloughfern Corner, Newtownabbey
6.00pm – Town Centre (meet at War Memorial), Portadown
6.00pm – Liverpool (current intelligence suggests the protest is likely to take place on the steps outside of St George's Hall)
6.00pm – Albertbridge Road, Belfast
6.00pm – Bottom of Braniel Estate, Knock Carriageway, Belfast
6.00pm - Brown Square, Shankill
6.00pm - Castlereagh Road at Clonduff entrance, Belfast
6.00pm – Mount Vernon, Shore Road, Belfast
6.00pm – Glengormley Town Centre, Glengormley
6.00pm – Kilkeel, Kilkeel
6.00pm – George Square, Glasgow
6.00pm – Top of Town Roundabout, Antrim
6.00pm – Ballyclare (meet at Square), Ballyclare
6.00pm – Town hall, Ballymoney
6.00pm – Bloomfield Road Roundabout, Belfast
6.00pm – Broadway Roundabout, Belfast
6.00pm – Castlereagh Road / Beersbridge Road, Belfast (listed separately to the previously listed Castlereagh Road at Clonduff protest)
6.00pm – Dub Stores, Malone Road, Belfast
6.00pm – Gunnell Hill / Whitewell Road, Belfast
6.00pm – Hesketh Road / Crumlin Road, Belfast
6.00pm – North Queen Street / Limestone Road, Belfast
6.00pm – Westland Estate, Belfast
6.00pm – Old Bridge, Coleraine
6.00pm – Seymour Hill (in front of the estate), Dunmurry
6.00pm – Garvagh, Garvagh
6.00pm – Greyabbey Roundabout, Greyabbey
6.00pm – Newbuildings, Londonderry
6.00pm – Nelson Drive (Broomshill Hotel traffic lights), Londonderry
6.00pm – Whitehead, Whitehead
7.30pm – Town Centre, Portadown
Saturday 12 January
1.00pm – Belfast City Hall, Belfast
1.00pm – Outside of deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon's office, 627 Pollockshaws Road, Glasgow
TBC – A protest is planned in Bristol, but not further details are available at present.
I am declaring my intention to take part in Operation Sit In - an intiative from the pubs and restaurants in the city centre to go there and wait out the storm.
I think it got coverage on Talkback on Radio Ulster.
Also just heard directly from Invest NI that 120 jobs that were set to come from an inward investment and be announced this month (photos already done by minister!!) have been lost due to the "civil unrest" that the investing company witnessed before Christmas.
Time for Nationalist areas to start seeking investment promoting the line "no bother in our areas".
Amazing ( well not really -sure weren't they always at it ?) how Nesbitt/Robbo/Orange Prder Revenrends etc have no difficulty talking to UVF and related Terrorists.
Also the silence from certain posters who regularly berate us on the ills of "our " side is very notable !
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on January 11, 2013, 01:56:31 PM
Absolutely no mention of the Moy. Disappointing.
And once again, Carrickmore has been snubbed by the loyalist protesters. Don't know what we're doing wrong that we can't host one.
Quote from: screenexile on January 11, 2013, 09:27:33 AM
Rumour is there are huge demonstrations planned across the province from 6 this evening... is that true? I've to head home from Dublin and that would seriously affect me getting home.
Which province would that be, the same one BBC news refer to ?
bring back bull bars.
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 11, 2013, 02:03:47 PM
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on January 11, 2013, 01:56:31 PM
Absolutely no mention of the Moy. Disappointing.
And once again, Carrickmore has been snubbed by the loyalist protesters. Don't know what we're doing wrong that we can't host one.
That would be some craic if Wee Willie and a few of his friends landed in Carrickmore. That would be worth seeing. ;D
Quote from: Rois on January 11, 2013, 01:46:16 PM
Also just heard directly from Invest NI that 120 jobs that were set to come from an inward investment and be announced this month (photos already done by minister!!) have been lost due to the "civil unrest" that the investing company witnessed before Christmas.
Rois, the impact is actually worse than that- some large companies had final visits coming and their Execs have declined to visit given the "unrest" one large bank in particular...
Oh I don't doubt it - it was just a specific example from an Invest NI person who was in presenting to us today.
QuoteTime for Nationalist areas to start seeking investment promoting the line "no bother in our areas".
Absolutely. Nationalist areas should promote themselves as good places to do business, with good schools and positive forward looking people. Since political progression is going to be away from unionism, places like Newry and Derry can move seamlessly to new arrangements in a pro-business United Ireland.
The only problem is that most nationalist "leaders" have neither the wit to realise this, nor the credibility to bring it about. :(
I'm sorry, but do people really think that busness people in China, Japan or even most of the USA make a distinction between nationalist areas, loyalist areas and Neverland? The impact of this carry-on will be negative for everyone in the North and even for the rest of us as well, as the world's business classes watch what, to them, is a bunch mediaeval Irish people acting Balkan only worse, throw the InvestNI and IDA proposals in the bin and call Poland.
Hardy, there is no doubt that this is problem for everyone, but you have to make the best of bad job.
Good article in the Guardian today:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/07/belfast-rioting-loyalists-politicians-union-flag?intcmp=239
I particularly thought this comment hit the nail on the head:
"Like the poor whites in the American south, the working class Protestants were sold some strange superiority over others and was entrenched in law and society at large to prevent them seeing the real enemy - the rich. Who cares if you were scraping by on a wage from Harland & Wolfe, at least you weren't a taig. And this is the problem, the very root of it. Everyone else won from the peace process, they are the only losers. The middle class Unionists got peace and normality (seeing an Army patrol in full battle gear patrolling the streets of a UK city is still one of the biggest shocks growing up), a chance of inward investment and money making opportunities. The Nationalist community also got peace, normality and finally achieved the aims of the civil rights movement which had existed prior to the Troubles. However the civil rights victory of the Nationalists stripped away the one thing that kept the working class Unionists above someone, and as such they lost out. How can any political party seriously address the objectives of a group of people of people who more-or-less want things to return to how they were when they could happily get on with hating and discriminating against Catholics? It is like advocating addressing the poor whites of the American south's problems by a return to the Jim Crow laws. Instead what needs to happen is a massive investment in traditional Unionist working class areas so that they can see they have benefited too, even if they can no longer stop their Orange walk outside a chapel and let rip with the Sash. No peace will ever hold without engaging all.
The biggest worry is that Loyalist terrorists are desperate to stir up more violence from dissident Republicans. Dissident Republicans will always have the British to rail and 'fight' against (unless we see a united Ireland), the 'cause' for these bellends is always there. However their mirror image on the Loyalist side need an active armed Republican threat to justify their existence and give them a 'cause'. Who or what is the UVF or UDA defending if there is no 'threat' to the Protestant community or the constitutional status of Northern Ireland?
What many in Great Britain forget or never know is that the Troubles started when Gusty Spence's UVF starting killing Catholics for well, being Catholics. They feared that that 50 year anniversary of the Easter Rising would inspire a new wave of IRA activity (which had more or less died away after the Border campaign of the 50s). They also forget that the British Army was dispatched to the streets of NI to prevent / halt the ethnic cleansing of the Catholic Nationalist community. On the mainland the prevalent view is they were sent there to fight the IRA. None of that is vital to this debate, it is just there to remind people that NI's problems are much more intricate than some violent idiots who are influenced by stone-age theology."
Quote from: Hardy on January 11, 2013, 03:22:30 PM
I'm sorry, but do people really think that busness people in China, Japan or even most of the USA make a distinction between nationalist areas, loyalist areas and Neverland? The impact of this carry-on will be negative for everyone in the North and even for the rest of us as well, as the world's business classes watch what, to them, is a bunch mediaeval Irish people acting Balkan only worse, throw the InvestNI and IDA proposals in the bin and call Poland.
I would actually say that most business people, or decision makers in business, do understand that the ROI is different to the NI from a jurisdictional perspective. What usually surprises them is that Belfast is on the same Island, and so close to Dublin.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2013, 04:28:12 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 11, 2013, 03:22:30 PM
I'm sorry, but do people really think that busness people in China, Japan or even most of the USA make a distinction between nationalist areas, loyalist areas and Neverland? The impact of this carry-on will be negative for everyone in the North and even for the rest of us as well, as the world's business classes watch what, to them, is a bunch mediaeval Irish people acting Balkan only worse, throw the InvestNI and IDA proposals in the bin and call Poland.
I would actually say that most business people, or decision makers in business, do understand that the ROI is different to the NI from a jurisdictional perspective. What usually surprises them is that Belfast is on the same Island, and so close to Dublin.
Unless Neverland is RoI, Hardy never mentioned the south.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2013, 04:28:12 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 11, 2013, 03:22:30 PM
I'm sorry, but do people really think that busness people in China, Japan or even most of the USA make a distinction between nationalist areas, loyalist areas and Neverland? The impact of this carry-on will be negative for everyone in the North and even for the rest of us as well, as the world's business classes watch what, to them, is a bunch mediaeval Irish people acting Balkan only worse, throw the InvestNI and IDA proposals in the bin and call Poland.
I would actually say that most business people, or decision makers in business, do understand that the ROI is different to the NI from a jurisdictional perspective. What usually surprises them is that Belfast is on the same Island, and so close to Dublin.
They would certainly be aware of the corporation tax differences im sure....
Quote from: gallsman on January 11, 2013, 04:25:38 PM
Good article in the Guardian today:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/07/belfast-rioting-loyalists-politicians-union-flag?intcmp=239
I particularly thought this comment hit the nail on the head:
"Like the poor whites in the American south, the working class Protestants were sold some strange superiority over others and was entrenched in law and society at large to prevent them seeing the real enemy - the rich. Who cares if you were scraping by on a wage from Harland & Wolfe, at least you weren't a taig. And this is the problem, the very root of it. Everyone else won from the peace process, they are the only losers. The middle class Unionists got peace and normality (seeing an Army patrol in full battle gear patrolling the streets of a UK city is still one of the biggest shocks growing up), a chance of inward investment and money making opportunities. The Nationalist community also got peace, normality and finally achieved the aims of the civil rights movement which had existed prior to the Troubles. However the civil rights victory of the Nationalists stripped away the one thing that kept the working class Unionists above someone, and as such they lost out. How can any political party seriously address the objectives of a group of people of people who more-or-less want things to return to how they were when they could happily get on with hating and discriminating against Catholics? It is like advocating addressing the poor whites of the American south's problems by a return to the Jim Crow laws. Instead what needs to happen is a massive investment in traditional Unionist working class areas so that they can see they have benefited too, even if they can no longer stop their Orange walk outside a chapel and let rip with the Sash. No peace will ever hold without engaging all.
The biggest worry is that Loyalist terrorists are desperate to stir up more violence from dissident Republicans. Dissident Republicans will always have the British to rail and 'fight' against (unless we see a united Ireland), the 'cause' for these bellends is always there. However their mirror image on the Loyalist side need an active armed Republican threat to justify their existence and give them a 'cause'. Who or what is the UVF or UDA defending if there is no 'threat' to the Protestant community or the constitutional status of Northern Ireland?
What many in Great Britain forget or never know is that the Troubles started when Gusty Spence's UVF starting killing Catholics for well, being Catholics. They feared that that 50 year anniversary of the Easter Rising would inspire a new wave of IRA activity (which had more or less died away after the Border campaign of the 50s). They also forget that the British Army was dispatched to the streets of NI to prevent / halt the ethnic cleansing of the Catholic Nationalist community. On the mainland the prevalent view is they were sent there to fight the IRA. None of that is vital to this debate, it is just there to remind people that NI's problems are much more intricate than some violent idiots who are influenced by stone-age theology."
"Instead what needs to happen is a massive investment in traditional Unionist working class areas so that they can see they have benefited too, even"
The main article points out that unemployment is still higher in Catholic areas. Let's not pretend this is about some sort of mythical working class Unionist deprivation.
Quote from: ziggysego on January 11, 2013, 04:43:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2013, 04:28:12 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 11, 2013, 03:22:30 PM
I'm sorry, but do people really think that busness people in China, Japan or even most of the USA make a distinction between nationalist areas, loyalist areas and Neverland? The impact of this carry-on will be negative for everyone in the North and even for the rest of us as well, as the world's business classes watch what, to them, is a bunch mediaeval Irish people acting Balkan only worse, throw the InvestNI and IDA proposals in the bin and call Poland.
I would actually say that most business people, or decision makers in business, do understand that the ROI is different to the NI from a jurisdictional perspective. What usually surprises them is that Belfast is on the same Island, and so close to Dublin.
Unless Neverland is RoI, Hardy never mentioned the south.
He actually does. He says it's bad news for the 'rest of us' and that the IDA proposals get fecked in the bin in favour of Poland. Unless he was on about Invest NI proposals which are co-sponsored by the IDA, then I think he means that foreign businessmen see Ireland and don't draw the distinction. I don't believe that is the case.
QuoteWhat usually surprises them is that Belfast is on the same Island,
I can see that these are investors who have done their research......
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2013, 05:08:20 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on January 11, 2013, 04:43:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2013, 04:28:12 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 11, 2013, 03:22:30 PM
I'm sorry, but do people really think that busness people in China, Japan or even most of the USA make a distinction between nationalist areas, loyalist areas and Neverland? The impact of this carry-on will be negative for everyone in the North and even for the rest of us as well, as the world's business classes watch what, to them, is a bunch mediaeval Irish people acting Balkan only worse, throw the InvestNI and IDA proposals in the bin and call Poland.
I would actually say that most business people, or decision makers in business, do understand that the ROI is different to the NI from a jurisdictional perspective. What usually surprises them is that Belfast is on the same Island, and so close to Dublin.
Unless Neverland is RoI, Hardy never mentioned the south.
He actually does. He says it's bad news for the 'rest of us' and that the IDA proposals get fecked in the bin in favour of Poland. Unless he was on about Invest NI proposals which are co-sponsored by the IDA, then I think he means that foreign businessmen see Ireland and don't draw the distinction. I don't believe that is the case.
For clarity - yes that's what I was saying. Of course, you're right, AZ and at least some foreign business people are fully au fait - especially those who have been worked by the IDA/InvestNI. But there is a continuum of awareness and there are a lot of potential inward investors, particularly in China and in Asia generally, especially those who haven't yet started the selection process, who hardly know where Ireland is, never mind what a nationalist is or what a loyalist is, never mind the nuances of who the protesters are, which areas they come from or what they're protesting about. Not to mention the confusion about our separate identity that comes with these Irish rioters carrying Union Jacks.
"Ireland? Hooded neanderthals rioting in the street, looking like English football hooligans? No thanks. What's the number of the Shanghai Polish IDA office?"
Just a couple of points, having been involved in a few of these foreign investments, i will tell you that most people know the difference between the north and the south, especially those who are involved in the location selection process. The issue is often that the decision makers on location are often not involved in researching the venues.
People are very sensitive to any escalation of news being made for the wrong reasons- usually because someone on their board of directors will say "I told you to invest in South Carolina creating American jobs, but instead you went and put an office in Belfast creating foreign jobs and they're blowing each other up there and you're putting our staff and our brand at risk"
I have not heard of a single case where the IDA worked with Invest NI.
I woud say that your nationalist leader is more likely to bring about a united Ireland by Monday morning than get an international company to invest in a "nationalist" area as a better choice than any other. Any unrest concerns and they will choose a different jurisdiction. But that is just an opinion.
And where is the money coming from for this:
Quotenationalist areas should promote themselves as good places to do business, with good schools and positive forward looking people.
?
Will that be funded by the nationalist councils, or the nationalist political parties? Higher taxes in those areas? Who will pay for international representatives, pay for companies visits, and organize meetings with existing businesses, retain the accountancy, location service consultancy and recruitment specialists that are required to get the first meeting with someone considering direct foreign investment, and then get them sufficiently interested that this nationalist area of which you speak can compete with all the other venues under consideration? to be absolutely clear these other areas usually funded by say the Government of Spain/ Portugal/ Poland with massive tax and job creation subsidies and thats just in the EU. You go outside of the EU and you can get paid to set up in certain countries (just to be clear usually warmer and without the same civil and political distractions)
Who is going to listen to and respond to the same crap from the Belfast telegraph and Irish news or the mourne observer's business correspondent saying 20 minutes after the new inward investment office is opened "we spent all this money and you haven't created any jobs yet" and try and explain that it takes about a year to find an opportunity, the investment cycle is typically 24-36 months and a conversion rate of 1 out of every 10 visits is exceptional? Or admit that its a hard sell to get them to come to Belfast, given the history of the last 40 years, and congratulate them on
any success story.
QuoteSince political progression is going to be away from unionism, places like Newry and Derry can move seamlessly to new arrangements in a pro-business United Ireland.
The only problem is that most nationalist "leaders" have neither the wit to realise this, nor the credibility to bring it about.
Ah- I see what you mean- maybe some new incoming soon to be elected genius Newry and Mourne SF councillor with wit and credibility could bring this all about. You're absolutely correct- all good- carry on...
QuoteAh- I see what you mean- maybe some new incoming soon to be elected genius Newry and Mourne SF councillor with wit and credibility could bring this all about. You're absolutely correct- all good- carry on...
I made the mistake here of being slightly positive in tone, which inevitably flushes out the begrudgers to sneer.
I'm not talking about international investment of the blue sky variety, this publicity will kill of NI for that. There is other economic activity and some people are closer to the problem than others. Paypal might open a facility in Newry that works with its Dundalk office, or a service provider to Paypal, and these would know the difference.
I talked to a lad who says he doesn't relate with the Union Jack, but understands people's pain and his parent's pain especially of all things british being slowly eroded.
He agreed that there is a small minority of people claiming to have the voice of the people when they really dont.
He did say this was all Sinn Feins fault for stirring the pot and even bringing the flying of the flag to vote.
Not sure where this all finishes up but he did say that the circles he moves in all believe this will descend into harsher violence and someone eventually will be killed.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 11, 2013, 07:48:24 PM
I made the mistake here of being slightly positive in tone, which inevitably flushes out the begrudgers to sneer.
no, I am quite sure the sneering is not at your positive tone nor is there any begrudgery, bing positive wasn't your mistake at all...
Quote from: armaghniac on January 11, 2013, 07:48:24 PM
I'm not talking about international investment of the blue sky variety, this publicity will kill of NI for that. There is other economic activity and some people are closer to the problem than others. Paypal might open a facility in Newry that works with its Dundalk office, or a service provider to Paypal, and these would know the difference.
Are you suggesting ebay UK set up in Newry? can you give me a good reason why? What would they have in Newry that isnt available to them 10 miles down the road in their other office? Or in their other UK offices? Why would one of their suppliers not already be in place to supply the Dundalk office?
Not sure what "publicity will kill of NI" means, nor what you mean by "international investment of the blue sky variety" nor which people are closer to problem than others. In fact you know what- I have no idea what any of your post means in any real world- sorry
Drove through Portadown this evening about 7.30. Disappointing turnout for the lads - 50 or 60 and 4 or 5 police Landrovers.
They'll be kicking off tonight over this!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/news/article-2260116/Union-Jack-disappears-packs-Hovis-baker-breaks-promise-use-British-wheat-poor-UK-harvest.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 11, 2013, 08:50:41 PM
They'll be kicking off tonight over this!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/news/article-2260116/Union-Jack-disappears-packs-Hovis-baker-breaks-promise-use-British-wheat-poor-UK-harvest.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Them Fenians are even taken our bread, its all thon Jimmy Savilles fault
The flegs protesters in Omagh, have taken themselves through the grounds of the Tyrone County Hospital. As someone said on Twitter, they should head to the T & F.
QuoteNot sure what "publicity will kill of NI" means,
you said that "People are very sensitive to any escalation of news". I am agreeing with the proposition that unfavourable publicity will reduce NIs chances. Is this really so hard to understand?
Quotenor what you mean by "international investment of the blue sky variety" nor which people are closer to problem than others
Businesses already in Ireland may have a better grasp of local geography than ones in China. Once again, is this really so hard to understand?
Just watching the RTE news, the police are standing back and allowing a few kids to block main roads in and out of the city, surely they should be keeping the roads open.
What does PUL stand for, see it regularly on facebook.
I hope they wreck the f**kin place.
Protestant. / unionist / loyalist
These gobshites blocking roads really haven't a clue have they? They're that stupid that they don't realise they are destroying the economy of the 6 counties even more
Blocking the roads to ravenhill, winker Watson wont know what to think and the middle class prods coming in from north down will also be pissed off
QuoteProtestant. / unionist / loyalist
This should be reversed, especially as a lot of these folks are not great church goers.
Loyalist/Unionist/Protestant or LUPers for short.
Just had a brick thrown at the front window, luckily enough it bounced back off without smashing. Have had to take the car in off the road now for the first time since I moved in, not a million miles away from Ravenhill. The culprits had scarpered by the time I got to the front door (with hurley) but my guess is teenagers from nearby secondary school having spotted the children in county jerseys.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 11, 2013, 08:48:31 PM
Drove through Portadown this evening about 7.30. Disappointing turnout for the lads - 50 or 60 and 4 or 5 police Landrovers.
You think that's a poor show? I just drove from Crossmaglen to Newry and didn't see 1 protester. People of South Armagh hang your heads in shame
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on January 11, 2013, 10:02:12 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 11, 2013, 08:48:31 PM
Drove through Portadown this evening about 7.30. Disappointing turnout for the lads - 50 or 60 and 4 or 5 police Landrovers.
You think that's a poor show? I just drove from Crossmaglen to Newry and didn't see 1 protester. People of South Armagh hang your heads in shame
Aye live in Derry and the cityside is oblivious to it all and has been since the start. The twats in the waterside seem to be out though, blocking their own people getting about, doesny make any sense.
Quote from: Ulick on January 11, 2013, 10:00:02 PM
Just had a brick thrown at the front window, luckily enough it bounced back off without smashing. Have had to take the car in off the road now for the first time since I moved in, not a million miles away from Ravenhill. The culprits had scarpered by the time I got to the front door (with hurley) but my guess is teenagers from nearby secondary school having spotted the children in county jerseys.
Shit one. Crowd of cowardly bastards.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 11, 2013, 10:12:45 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 11, 2013, 10:00:02 PM
Just had a brick thrown at the front window, luckily enough it bounced back off without smashing. Have had to take the car in off the road now for the first time since I moved in, not a million miles away from Ravenhill. The culprits had scarpered by the time I got to the front door (with hurley) but my guess is teenagers from nearby secondary school having spotted the children in county jerseys.
Shit one. Crowd of cowardly b**tards.
Had a brick fired in through the window of our car by loyalists when I was a wain and have been on the tail end of it many time coming through New Buildings on way back from Derry City and GAA games, have to say its a very cowardly thing to do and also terrifying. Glad to hear nobody was hurt.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 11, 2013, 10:12:45 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 11, 2013, 10:00:02 PM
Just had a brick thrown at the front window, luckily enough it bounced back off without smashing. Have had to take the car in off the road now for the first time since I moved in, not a million miles away from Ravenhill. The culprits had scarpered by the time I got to the front door (with hurley) but my guess is teenagers from nearby secondary school having spotted the children in county jerseys.
Shit one. Crowd of cowardly b**tards.
Come on now they have to do something to save the flag, hitting Ulicks window with a brick could be the spark they need to get the flag back up. These boys are modern day revolutionaries.
Quote from: Ulick on January 11, 2013, 10:00:02 PM
Just had a brick thrown at the front window, luckily enough it bounced back off without smashing. Have had to take the car in off the road now for the first time since I moved in, not a million miles away from Ravenhill. The culprits had scarpered by the time I got to the front door (with hurley) but my guess is teenagers from nearby secondary school having spotted the children in county jerseys.
Cowardly scum, glad to hear no one was hurt,
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on January 11, 2013, 10:30:27 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 11, 2013, 10:00:02 PM
Just had a brick thrown at the front window, luckily enough it bounced back off without smashing. Have had to take the car in off the road now for the first time since I moved in, not a million miles away from Ravenhill. The culprits had scarpered by the time I got to the front door (with hurley) but my guess is teenagers from nearby secondary school having spotted the children in county jerseys.
Cowardly scum, glad to hear no one was hurt,
Glad to heard no damage or injuries.
All quiet over on Ormeau.
No damage, gave me a quare fright though to be honest. Three children in bed upstairs and the wife was out in the car leading my niece up to the Hillhall Rd to avoid protests on her way home to Lurgan. Car would have been out on the road if she had been here so probably lucky I've no repairs to be doing there as well. Sickening watching children on the news there rioting in Carrickfergus, their parents should be proud of themselves.
Quote from: Ulick on January 11, 2013, 10:56:15 PM
No damage, gave me a quare fright though to be honest. Three children in bed upstairs and the wife was out in the car leading my niece up to the Hillhall Rd to avoid protests on her way home to Lurgan. Car would have been out on the road if she had been here so probably lucky I've no repairs to be doing there as well. Sickening watching children on the news there rioting in Carrickfergus, their parents should be proud of themselves.
Glad all is ok. Pack of scum
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 11, 2013, 10:12:45 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 11, 2013, 10:00:02 PM
Just had a brick thrown at the front window, luckily enough it bounced back off without smashing. Have had to take the car in off the road now for the first time since I moved in, not a million miles away from Ravenhill. The culprits had scarpered by the time I got to the front door (with hurley) but my guess is teenagers from nearby secondary school having spotted the children in county jerseys.
Shit one. Crowd of cowardly b**tards.
shower of scummy bastards.
Quote from: Ulick on January 11, 2013, 10:00:02 PM
Just had a brick thrown at the front window, luckily enough it bounced back off without smashing. Have had to take the car in off the road now for the first time since I moved in, not a million miles away from Ravenhill. The culprits had scarpered by the time I got to the front door (with hurley) but my guess is teenagers from nearby secondary school having spotted the children in county jerseys.
What's the name of the secondary school, if you don't mind me asking? I also live not a million miles from Ravenhill, so I'm curious.
Quote from: Myles Na G. on January 11, 2013, 11:24:07 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 11, 2013, 10:00:02 PM
Just had a brick thrown at the front window, luckily enough it bounced back off without smashing. Have had to take the car in off the road now for the first time since I moved in, not a million miles away from Ravenhill. The culprits had scarpered by the time I got to the front door (with hurley) but my guess is teenagers from nearby secondary school having spotted the children in county jerseys.
What's the name of the secondary school, if you don't mind me asking? I also live not a million miles from Ravenhill, so I'm curious.
Yous could be drinking buddies
Quote from: Myles Na G. on January 11, 2013, 11:24:07 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 11, 2013, 10:00:02 PM
Just had a brick thrown at the front window, luckily enough it bounced back off without smashing. Have had to take the car in off the road now for the first time since I moved in, not a million miles away from Ravenhill. The culprits had scarpered by the time I got to the front door (with hurley) but my guess is teenagers from nearby secondary school having spotted the children in county jerseys.
What's the name of the secondary school, if you don't mind me asking? I also live not a million miles from Ravenhill, so I'm curious.
Can you account for your whereabouts earlier? ;)
Sorry to hear about the incident tonight but the scum will probably be back at some stage. I spent my childhood going through the same shit for about 10 years. It would be advisable to put up a camera even a dummy one make it visible to deter the little f**kers. If not stick a few nails in the hurl so if you do catch them they won't do it again.
Quote from: Myles Na G. on January 11, 2013, 11:24:07 PM
What's the name of the secondary school, if you don't mind me asking? I also live not a million miles from Ravenhill, so I'm curious.
Knockbreda
Quote from: comethekingdom on January 11, 2013, 09:37:05 PM
gobshites
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 11, 2013, 10:08:54 PM
The t**ts
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 11, 2013, 10:12:45 PM
Crowd of cowardly b**tards.
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on January 11, 2013, 10:30:27 PM
Cowardly scum
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on January 11, 2013, 11:00:08 PM
Pack of scum
Quote from: charlieTully on January 11, 2013, 11:07:34 PM
shower of scummy b**tards.
As if to prove your points lads.....sound clip recorded tonight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI_VhAEwB0k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI_VhAEwB0k)
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 12, 2013, 12:06:38 AM
Quote from: comethekingdom on January 11, 2013, 09:37:05 PM
gobshites
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 11, 2013, 10:08:54 PM
The t**ts
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 11, 2013, 10:12:45 PM
Crowd of cowardly b**tards.
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on January 11, 2013, 10:30:27 PM
Cowardly scum
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on January 11, 2013, 11:00:08 PM
Pack of scum
Quote from: charlieTully on January 11, 2013, 11:07:34 PM
shower of scummy b**tards.
As if to prove your points lads.....sound clip recorded tonight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI_VhAEwB0k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI_VhAEwB0k)
That's just mental - these people are the scum of the earth.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 12, 2013, 12:26:41 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 12, 2013, 12:06:38 AM
Quote from: comethekingdom on January 11, 2013, 09:37:05 PM
gobshites
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 11, 2013, 10:08:54 PM
The t**ts
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 11, 2013, 10:12:45 PM
Crowd of cowardly b**tards.
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on January 11, 2013, 10:30:27 PM
Cowardly scum
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on January 11, 2013, 11:00:08 PM
Pack of scum
Quote from: charlieTully on January 11, 2013, 11:07:34 PM
shower of scummy b**tards.
As if to prove your points lads.....sound clip recorded tonight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI_VhAEwB0k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI_VhAEwB0k)
That's just mental - these people are the scum of the earth.
I just can't get over how this whole thing is being allowed to continue. There is no pressure being put on the unionist politicians and now we are subjected to the bitter sectarian rants of Willie Frazer. He is filling the void left by poor Unionist leadership which is worrying. The only people to benefit is those muppets in the PSNI with their over time!
Oh Lordy, my sister has just been on Nolan on 5Live...
I was stuck between two road blocks on Sandy Row and Gt Victoria St this eve but saw an escape route. I revved up at two spides going to protest, they jumped out if the way, and then waved as I took the escape route.
On other hand, my sis is a doc in City Hospital and had to work 14 hrs to cover people who couldn't get into work. She then couldn't get home from the hospital. Obv not as important as if she was goin into the hospital, but still sh11ty.
On call surgeons couldn't get through to the royal so operations for a good were cancelled last night. Also a case in west belfast of a terminally ill person awaiting a gp who wasn't able to get through but did eventually. (all from twitter)
Scumbags.
We are dealing with the scum of the earth here, being prompted by politicians who are no better. Listening to Geoffrey Donaldson on radio trying to justify when democracy is not acceptable was cringeworthy.
Quote from: balladmaker on January 12, 2013, 10:46:06 AM
We are dealing with the scum of the earth here, being prompted by politicians who are no better. Listening to Geoffrey Donaldson on radio trying to justify when democracy is not acceptable was cringeworthy.
Democracy is fine as long as it produces the result you want. Otherwise it is a dangerously radical concept.
How successful was the sit-in in the Pubs and Restaurants last night?
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 12, 2013, 12:19:39 PM
How successful was the sit-in in the Pubs and Restaurants last night?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQZ5tdsB1vg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQZ5tdsB1vg)
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 12, 2013, 12:19:39 PM
How successful was the sit-in in the Pubs and Restaurants last night?
We went to Cafe Vaudeville after wrk to do our bit - it was empty. At £5.15 for a glass of wine, I won't be back so maybe other places less of a rip off were busier. Town was dead though at 5.30.
Quote from: Rois on January 12, 2013, 12:37:57 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 12, 2013, 12:19:39 PM
How successful was the sit-in in the Pubs and Restaurants last night?
We went to Cafe Vaudeville after wrk to do our bit - it was empty. At £5.15 for a glass of wine, O won't be back so maybe other places less of a rip of were busier. Town was dead though at 5.30.
We were supposed to go to TGI Fridays in Victoria Square but cancelled it.
Quote from: Ulick on January 11, 2013, 10:56:15 PM
No damage, gave me a quare fright though to be honest. Three children in bed upstairs and the wife was out in the car leading my niece up to the Hillhall Rd to avoid protests on her way home to Lurgan. Car would have been out on the road if she had been here so probably lucky I've no repairs to be doing there as well. Sickening watching children on the news there rioting in Carrickfergus, their parents should be proud of themselves.
I'd know a big amount of those lovely kids from Carrick. (Majority probably been in my class over the last 4 years) their parents were more than likely with them, hand in hand throwing stones and burning cars lovely, hopefully there will be a few missing from the class this Monday.
It brilliant craic in work at the minute, full wind up with the students
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2013, 01:33:02 PM
I'd know a big amount of those lovely kids from Carrick. (Majority probably been in my class over the last 4 years) their parents were more than likely with them, hand in hand throwing stones and burning cars lovely, hopefully there will be a few missing from the class this Monday.
It brilliant craic in work at the minute, full wind up with the students
The wife said the same thing to me (she was a teacher in Larne and Donaghadee) but I find the prospect to shocking to contemplate.
Quote from: Ulick on January 12, 2013, 01:57:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2013, 01:33:02 PM
I'd know a big amount of those lovely kids from Carrick. (Majority probably been in my class over the last 4 years) their parents were more than likely with them, hand in hand throwing stones and burning cars lovely, hopefully there will be a few missing from the class this Monday.
It brilliant craic in work at the minute, full wind up with the students
The wife said the same thing to me (she was a teacher in Larne and Donaghadee) but I find the prospect to shocking to contemplate.
It is a horrible concept, but if there are 8-10 year olds out rioting then the parents must shoulder some blame, as they cannot be unaware of this behaviour on their doorstep.
Considering their parents are more than likely the same reprobates all over facebook that are unable to string two coherent sentences together, are any of you surprised?
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 12, 2013, 02:06:05 PM
Considering their parents are more than likely the same reprobates all over facebook that are unable to string two coherent sentences together, are any of you surprised?
No.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2013, 01:33:02 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 11, 2013, 10:56:15 PM
No damage, gave me a quare fright though to be honest. Three children in bed upstairs and the wife was out in the car leading my niece up to the Hillhall Rd to avoid protests on her way home to Lurgan. Car would have been out on the road if she had been here so probably lucky I've no repairs to be doing there as well. Sickening watching children on the news there rioting in Carrickfergus, their parents should be proud of themselves.
I'd know a big amount of those lovely kids from Carrick. (Majority probably been in my class over the last 4 years) their parents were more than likely with them, hand in hand throwing stones and burning cars lovely, hopefully there will be a few missing from the class this Monday.
It brilliant craic in work at the minute, full wind up with the students
I think your next lesson should be on democracy.
Kicking off again in belfast this afternoon, clashes at short strand interface. Plastic bullets fired, this isn't going to stop anytime soon.
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 12, 2013, 03:08:43 PM
Kicking off again in belfast this afternoon, clashes at short strand interface. Plastic bullets fired, this isn't going to stop anytime soon.
It is going to take a fatality of some sort to bring it down. I just hope that it is not some innocent by stander that gets it.
Quote from: EC Unique on January 12, 2013, 03:17:56 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 12, 2013, 03:08:43 PM
Kicking off again in belfast this afternoon, clashes at short strand interface. Plastic bullets fired, this isn't going to stop anytime soon.
It is going to take a fatality of some sort to bring it down. I just hope that it is not some innocent by stander that gets it.
Sadly, in the majority of the cases it is.
http://t.co/RQZIbEYH
Disgusting
Quote from: Ulick on January 12, 2013, 12:01:38 AM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on January 11, 2013, 11:24:07 PM
What's the name of the secondary school, if you don't mind me asking? I also live not a million miles from Ravenhill, so I'm curious.
Knockbreda
Right. Not many of those where I am, thankfully. Nearest school to us is Wellington - seem to be a sensible enough bunch there.
There is a story here the media seems intent on ignoring, for the most part. The protesters couldn't even manage attract 1,000 people to the City Hall today. These brain dead wankers are a miniscule minority who are being allowed (facilitated by the PSNI softly, softly approach) to hold the rest of Belfast to ransom and have a political influence way, way beyond their numbers. It's time the PSNI stopped facilitating and started policing and time the media started asking the likes of Squeaky Bryson questions like "Why have you no support?" and Robinson and Nesbitt need to be asked "Why are you running shit scared of 15 teenage thugs with Rangers scarves round their faces?"
There, I've said it!
Quote from: AQMP on January 12, 2013, 04:04:51 PM
There is a story here the media seems intent on ignoring, for the most part. The protesters couldn't even manage attract 1,000 people to the City Hall today. These brain dead w**kers are a miniscule minority who are being allowed (facilitated by the PSNI softly, softly approach) to hold the rest of Belfast to ransom and have a political influence way, way beyond their numbers. It's time the PSNI stopped facilitating and started policing and time the media started asking the likes of Squeaky Bryson questions like "Why have you no support?" and Robinson and Nesbitt need to be asked "Why are you running shit scared of 15 teenage thugs with Rangers scarves round their faces?"
There, I've said it!
Have we not been on the end of the roughly roughly approach before and what does it do? It makes more people want to join these assholes and create a situation like before. Some young innocent catholic will be killed, that is a given, if the police do go in heavy handed.
Then we will be back at the start, dissidents would be rubbing their hands if things were to get out of hands, dissidents on both sides that is
Absolutely sick listening about these cnuts rioting due to lack of investment in their area. The truth is the had it their own ways for decades walking into jobs and apprenticeships in Shorts, the shipyards, Scirroco works etc. with little care for anything or than a basic education whereas the poor auld croppy had to do twice as much for an equivalent job. Now the manufacturing industry in East Belfast has, in the main, declined to a point where the male population cannot walk into a job after school they start their f**king mopery about lack of investment and "the taigs get everything" excuses. People growing up west of the Bann or in Glens/N. Antrim didn't exactly have a huge influx of inward investment either. At home if you left school at 16 you were learning a trade or working on farms and in the old days on the boats. If you stayed on at school you had a chance of a job as a teacher or a civil servant. Very, very few people were walking into jobs like these feckers in E. Belfast.
Nowadays the Catholic man or woman wanting to work can seek out employment rather than complaining that no-one is investing outside their door. There are roads and railways in this place where it is actually possible to travel to and from work. Failing that these no mark protestors could get off their arse like the rest of the country and head to Australia or the US. I was up home last week and a girl I went to school with was telling me that her son was heading to Oz with 31 others from the local area around Loughgiel, Ballycastle, Armoy! No-one is building factories or pumping millions of Peace money into these areas.
f**k the lot of youse tramps in E. Belfast and further afield.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 12, 2013, 05:12:25 PM
Absolutely sick listening about these cnuts rioting due to lack of investment in their area. The truth is the had it their own ways for decades walking into jobs and apprenticeships in Shorts, the shipyards, Scirroco works etc. with little care for anything or than a basic education whereas the poor auld croppy had to do twice as much for an equivalent job. Now the manufacturing industry in East Belfast has, in the main, declined to a point where the male population cannot walk into a job after school they start their f**king mopery about lack of investment and "the taigs get everything" excuses. People growing up west of the Bann or in Glens/N. Antrim didn't exactly have a huge influx of inward investment either. At home if you left school at 16 you were learning a trade or working on farms and in the old days on the boats. If you stayed on at school you had a chance of a job as a teacher or a civil servant. Very, very few people were walking into jobs like these feckers in E. Belfast.
Nowadays the Catholic man or woman wanting to work can seek out employment rather than complaining that no-one is investing outside their door. There are roads and railways in this place where it is actually possible to travel to and from work. Failing that these no mark protestors could get off their arse like the rest of the country and head to Australia or the US. I was up home last week and a girl I went to school with was telling me that her son was heading to Oz with 31 others from the local area around Loughgiel, Ballycastle, Armoy! No-one is building factories or pumping millions of Peace money into these areas.
f**k the lot of youse tramps in E. Belfast and further afield.
For a man that talks a lot of bollocks, you're spot on here Tony.
Why do we not get stats on the number of protesters/rioters injured each day the same way as we do with PSNI casualties?
QuoteFor a man that talks a lot of bollocks,
Speaking of people that talk a lot of bollocks, Eamonn McCann had an article during the week which pointed out that the class divide was always large on the unionist side, but that the lower classes could always take comfort from being better off than Catholics. In the modern world there isn't even this comfort and with a dysfunctional attitudes to education there isn't great prospects for young Billy. McCann's take on things was that measures were needed to improve the lot of poorer communites, on both sides of the house. In the 21st century poorly educated youths will not have it easy in any country, this is not a problem that is going to go away and a self pitying attitude that it is because of non existent discrimination does not help.
QuoteWhy do we not get stats on the number of protesters/rioters injured each day the same way as we do with PSNI casualties?
The rioters don't do stats.
Quote from: ziggysego on January 12, 2013, 05:14:41 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 12, 2013, 05:12:25 PM
Absolutely sick listening about these cnuts rioting due to lack of investment in their area. The truth is the had it their own ways for decades walking into jobs and apprenticeships in Shorts, the shipyards, Scirroco works etc. with little care for anything or than a basic education whereas the poor auld croppy had to do twice as much for an equivalent job. Now the manufacturing industry in East Belfast has, in the main, declined to a point where the male population cannot walk into a job after school they start their f**king mopery about lack of investment and "the taigs get everything" excuses. People growing up west of the Bann or in Glens/N. Antrim didn't exactly have a huge influx of inward investment either. At home if you left school at 16 you were learning a trade or working on farms and in the old days on the boats. If you stayed on at school you had a chance of a job as a teacher or a civil servant. Very, very few people were walking into jobs like these feckers in E. Belfast.
Nowadays the Catholic man or woman wanting to work can seek out employment rather than complaining that no-one is investing outside their door. There are roads and railways in this place where it is actually possible to travel to and from work. Failing that these no mark protestors could get off their arse like the rest of the country and head to Australia or the US. I was up home last week and a girl I went to school with was telling me that her son was heading to Oz with 31 others from the local area around Loughgiel, Ballycastle, Armoy! No-one is building factories or pumping millions of Peace money into these areas.
f**k the lot of youse tramps in E. Belfast and further afield.
For a man that talks a lot of bollocks, you're spot on here Tony.
I thought they were rioting due to the flag ;). Yes to a degree you are right, I seen it first hand in Harland's during my apprenticeship, the amount of families 3 generation families all together working there was very common. I started with a lad he's two other brothers there his da and granda all working there. He'd also two uncles to boot. Not uncommon. I was the only taig in a workshop of 200 odd workers.
To get an apprenticeship there was no need for qualifications as such (thank fcuk) but an aptitude test was done and then interview carried out. Was a strange one that Shorts, N.I Electricity, Mackies (though it was on the main when I started out) and Harland's all used the same test to weed out the real thick ones.
Going back to my Da's time he told me that there was no chance that they would have got in so they all stuck to the trades (Belfast areas), bricklaying, joinery, plumbers, and sparks. This was the reason why there was such a push by most parents, who pushed their kids in education so that they didn't have to do the labour they had to do.
Still a lot of manufacturing jobs in East Belfast, Shorts would have 8000 workers I'd say and while the vast majority would be Prods, there is a serious amount of catholics working there now compared to before. As said a lot of parents pushed kids into education or the labour trades so there wasn't a large amount of catholics taking up manufacturing/engineering trades. Having delivered engineering for the past 11 years I have certainly seen an up turn in that though.
The other thing I have noticed though a serious amount of kids leaving school, on both sides that I have had in class, struggle with reading and writting, and doing basic math.
Harland's still going and Scirroco still going, albeit a lot less workers
http://www.dfpni.gov.uk/nimdm-table-1.pdf
As per the last government study 2010 listed above the vast majority of most deprived areas in NI are still within urban and most nationalist areas of Derry City and Belfast
I listened to Alistair McDowell eloquently outline this very problem on the radio pre Christmas. He made the point that, historically, young men from the loyalist strongholds of East Belfast were guaranteed employment through the shipyards, Shorts etc. This held true from generation to generation.
Education, or rather, the need for education, was almost deemed unnecessary by people in this community as they could live relatively comfortable existences without it. The result was therefore generation after generation of uneducated families.
In contrast, Catholic families recognised that education was their only way out of the situation they were finding themselves in i.e lack of opportunity / employment.
Now that these employment staples have collapsed in East Belfast, we find a swath of people with no education, no purpose, no drive to achieve. Their whole sense of self is wrapped up in their now outdated loyalist beliefs. A quick read through the Facebook page of the protest organisers is frankly disturbing. The lack of spelling and grammar is one thing, but the total inability to grasp what exactly they are protesting about is another.
These are depressing times. I believe that these neanderthals are oblivious to any sense of reasoning or logic due to their apparent lack of any sort of education. Even some of the people who are being wheeled out to speak on their behalf are embasassingly inept. Did anyone see that Wayne Gilmore guy? A 17 year old stuttering, gibbbering, incoherent fool.
So what now? I really don't know. I would really love to see the overwhelming majority of people in the north begin to voice their disgust at what is happening more loudly. These "protesters" represent a very small part of the population up here.
And in the long term, I do believe that education of youngsters in these back waters is the only way to break the cycle. Unfortunately though, this will take generations.
I read something not that long ago that the supposed protestant educational under achievement isn't as pronounced as you would think, compared to catholics. I think it was by a blogger on Slugger. I will have to see if I can find it. It is just used as an excuse to try and get money pumped into these areas.
Quote from: DoYerJob Linesman on January 12, 2013, 05:52:53 PM
I listened to Alistair McDowell eloquently outline this very problem on the radio pre Christmas. He made the point that, historically, young men from the loyalist strongholds of East Belfast were guaranteed employment through the shipyards, Shorts etc. This held true from generation to generation.
Education, or rather, the need for education, was almost deemed unnecessary by people in this community as they could live relatively comfortable existences without it. The result was therefore generation after generation of uneducated families.
In contrast, Catholic families recognised that education was their only way out of the situation they were finding themselves in i.e lack of opportunity / employment.
Now that these employment staples have collapsed in East Belfast, we find a swath of people with no education, no purpose, no drive to achieve. Their whole sense of self is wrapped up in their now outdated loyalist beliefs. A quick read through the Facebook page of the protest organisers is frankly disturbing. The lack of spelling and grammar is one thing, but the total inability to grasp what exactly they are protesting about is another.
These are depressing times. I believe that these neanderthals are oblivious to any sense of reasoning or logic due to their apparent lack of any sort of education. Even some of the people who are being wheeled out to speak on their behalf are embasassingly inept. Did anyone see that Wayne Gilmore guy? A 17 year old stuttering, gibbbering, incoherent fool.
So what now? I really don't know. I would really love to see the overwhelming majority of people in the north begin to voice their disgust at what is happening more loudly. These "protesters" represent a very small part of the population up here.
And in the long term, I do believe that education of youngsters in these back waters is the only way to break the cycle. Unfortunately though, this will take generations.
And you could do that with a lot of my posts also :o
There are plenty of these kids on our own streets, I teach post secondary, it would embarrass you. Now Shorts will only take on the best qualified apprentices, most of them are usually high achievers at A levels
QuoteI believe that these neanderthals are oblivious to any sense of reasoning or logic due to their apparent lack of any sort of education.
The likes of Dodds or McCausland are well educated, but have no ignoring both reasoning and logic.
Listening to reason has nothing to do with education- a reasonable person would listen to reason.
East belfast probably isn't the best area in the world but you could say the same for the north or the west. There are worryingly high suicide rates in both areas. There is no talk about that but just about east belfast.
I still don't feel any of this is about culture erosion or oppressed areas. The unionist politicians used it to screw alliance and created a monster. This monster allowed loyalist paramilitaries to wade in and now it is clear for us all to see that the politicians, including the pup, hold absolutely no weight with these guys. It has also created room for people who are essentially nobodies, i.e. bryson and fraser, to try and pounce on an opportunity. It has all became quite sinister and any reasonable person would not be near those protests hence the behaviour of people with old people etc illustrating mainly, probably entirely, scumbags partake.
Another issue is how easily people, particularly youths, are led. A lot of these protests seem well coordinated however social networking has bumped the numbers up greatly. The psni did not act quickly enough. On these.
At the end of the day we all have the same access to education. It is your own responsibilty, with the help of your family, to make what you can of it. I have always worked on the basis that you get nothing unless you work for it. That seems to be the opposite with a lot of these guys though.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 11, 2013, 10:12:45 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 11, 2013, 10:00:02 PM
Just had a brick thrown at the front window, luckily enough it bounced back off without smashing. Have had to take the car in off the road now for the first time since I moved in, not a million miles away from Ravenhill. The culprits had scarpered by the time I got to the front door (with hurley) but my guess is teenagers from nearby secondary school having spotted the children in county jerseys.
Shit one. Crowd of cowardly b**tards.
Agreed.
Scumbags.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 12, 2013, 06:17:23 PM
At the end of the day we all have the same access to education. It is your own responsibilty, with the help of your family, to make what you can of it. I have always worked on the basis that you get nothing unless you work for it. That seems to be the opposite with a lot of these guys though.
You are spot on tommy, you would think they are living in some war ravaged country in Africa. They all have the opportunity for a decent level of education, that applies to both sides of the community btw as i dont think Catholics can be too smug on this matter when you look at what some of our schools churn out at age 16.
If someone can't be bothered their hole going to school and if their parents can't be arsed making them go well then they shouldn't be surprised when the opportunities aren't great for them.
Too much talk of "funding" and "education" here. There are several area's like this across the UK, Glasgow/Sheffield/Birmingham and this shite doesn't go on.
These people are your average scumbags but mixed into that is the traditional loyalist air of entitlement. "We represent the people/ our rights/ erosion of our culture". That's the only difference. c***ts who think they're kings.
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Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 12, 2013, 05:12:25 PM
Absolutely sick listening about these cnuts rioting due to lack of investment in their area. The truth is the had it their own ways for decades walking into jobs and apprenticeships in Shorts, the shipyards, Scirroco works etc. with little care for anything or than a basic education whereas the poor auld croppy had to do twice as much for an equivalent job. Now the manufacturing industry in East Belfast has, in the main, declined to a point where the male population cannot walk into a job after school they start their f**king mopery about lack of investment and "the taigs get everything" excuses. People growing up west of the Bann or in Glens/N. Antrim didn't exactly have a huge influx of inward investment either. At home if you left school at 16 you were learning a trade or working on farms and in the old days on the boats. If you stayed on at school you had a chance of a job as a teacher or a civil servant. Very, very few people were walking into jobs like these feckers in E. Belfast.
Nowadays the Catholic man or woman wanting to work can seek out employment rather than complaining that no-one is investing outside their door. There are roads and railways in this place where it is actually possible to travel to and from work. Failing that these no mark protestors could get off their arse like the rest of the country and head to Australia or the US. I was up home last week and a girl I went to school with was telling me that her son was heading to Oz with 31 others from the local area around Loughgiel, Ballycastle, Armoy! No-one is building factories or pumping millions of Peace money into these areas.
f**k the lot of youse tramps in E. Belfast and further afield.
Well said Tony. Newton Emerson made an excellent point in the Irish News a few years back when this lot last threw the rattle out of the pram. Almost all employment and investment in north of Ireland is in Belfast city centre, a mere 1/2 mile from where these tramps live.
QuoteUnion flag protests: Peter Robinson says politicians not 'giving up'
13 minutes ago The Northern Ireland First Minister Peter Robinson has said the political process is the only way forward following another night of violence in Belfast.
::). The latest DUP hypocrisy
I find it hard to understand the mentality that the closing of traditional industries should mean that some people a generation or two later are finding it hard to get work. I don't see how someone can sit around waiting for manufacturing jobs to appear in western Europe, you have to be completely closed off to reality to think that in this day and age.
In my harder moods I'd say it's their own tough shite for landing themselves where they are.
Quote from: thejuice on January 13, 2013, 03:45:29 PM
I find it hard to understand the mentality that the closing of traditional industries should mean that some people a generation or two later are finding it hard to get work. I don't see how someone can sit around waiting for manufacturing jobs to appear in western Europe, you have to be completely closed off to reality to think that in this day and age.
In my harder moods I'd say it's their own tough shite for landing themselves where they are.
These boys aren't waiting on manufacturing or any other type of industry to come to their area, they are quite happy sitting on their hole.
Quote from: Minder on January 13, 2013, 04:35:46 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 13, 2013, 03:45:29 PM
I find it hard to understand the mentality that the closing of traditional industries should mean that some people a generation or two later are finding it hard to get work. I don't see how someone can sit around waiting for manufacturing jobs to appear in western Europe, you have to be completely closed off to reality to think that in this day and age.
In my harder moods I'd say it's their own tough shite for landing themselves where they are.
These boys aren't waiting on manufacturing or any other type of industry to come to their area, they are quite happy sitting on their hole.
I'm getting bored of hearing about people in East Belfast having no work and being thick. The same amount of people live on the Falls road and are very happy to bleed the system dry and work is something of a myth or folklore.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2013, 05:11:52 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 13, 2013, 04:35:46 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 13, 2013, 03:45:29 PM
I find it hard to understand the mentality that the closing of traditional industries should mean that some people a generation or two later are finding it hard to get work. I don't see how someone can sit around waiting for manufacturing jobs to appear in western Europe, you have to be completely closed off to reality to think that in this day and age.
In my harder moods I'd say it's their own tough shite for landing themselves where they are.
These boys aren't waiting on manufacturing or any other type of industry to come to their area, they are quite happy sitting on their hole.
I'm getting bored of hearing about people in East Belfast having no work and being thick. The same amount of people live on the Falls road and are very happy to bleed the system dry and work is something of a myth or folklore.
True but the boys in the East are using lack of investment in the area as a contributing factor to their rioting when everyone can see it is an excuse to get handy money into the area. The money gets allocated to dodgy "community jobs" that end up being inextricably linked to paramilitarism; in essence helping only a small percentage of those rioting and those least deserving of help imo. The front line morons are too thick to see that though.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 13, 2013, 05:19:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2013, 05:11:52 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 13, 2013, 04:35:46 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 13, 2013, 03:45:29 PM
I find it hard to understand the mentality that the closing of traditional industries should mean that some people a generation or two later are finding it hard to get work. I don't see how someone can sit around waiting for manufacturing jobs to appear in western Europe, you have to be completely closed off to reality to think that in this day and age.
In my harder moods I'd say it's their own tough shite for landing themselves where they are.
These boys aren't waiting on manufacturing or any other type of industry to come to their area, they are quite happy sitting on their hole.
I'm getting bored of hearing about people in East Belfast having no work and being thick. The same amount of people live on the Falls road and are very happy to bleed the system dry and work is something of a myth or folklore.
True but the boys in the East are using lack of investment in the area as a contributing factor to their rioting when everyone can see it is an excuse to get handy money into the area. The money gets allocated to dodgy "community jobs" that end up being inextricably linked to paramilitarism; in essence helping only a small percentage of those rioting and those least deserving of help imo. The front line morons are too thick to see that though.
I applied for one of those 'community' jobs on the Falls years ago, cracking interview, I met all the points and was given great feedback afterwards, ended up not getting the job was put on first reserve, I found out who got the job later and was disappointed as this fella was clearly getting the job before the interview his 10 years in jail would have been one of the main criteria for the post :o
They phoned me up about 4 months later to ask me to take the job as the other guy didn't work out hmmmmmmm.....
The peace money was given to both areas but in fairness West Belfast did fairly well in this because for most parts it was honest enough. The Shankill and other areas were different, I worked on the Shankill for about 3 years and they did have one community place that did good work but as you have said Tony they were dodgy enough.
As long as these groups keep getting funding they will be looking money, in truth what da fcuk do they really do?
The shameful sectarian carve-up, as was the foundation of the statelet of the north, is finally unravelling, and about time :)
Thank you, unreconstructed anti-Protestant corner-boy supremacist unionists, grand job ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2013, 06:39:45 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 13, 2013, 05:19:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2013, 05:11:52 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 13, 2013, 04:35:46 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 13, 2013, 03:45:29 PM
I find it hard to understand the mentality that the closing of traditional industries should mean that some people a generation or two later are finding it hard to get work. I don't see how someone can sit around waiting for manufacturing jobs to appear in western Europe, you have to be completely closed off to reality to think that in this day and age.
In my harder moods I'd say it's their own tough shite for landing themselves where they are.
These boys aren't waiting on manufacturing or any other type of industry to come to their area, they are quite happy sitting on their hole.
I'm getting bored of hearing about people in East Belfast having no work and being thick. The same amount of people live on the Falls road and are very happy to bleed the system dry and work is something of a myth or folklore.
True but the boys in the East are using lack of investment in the area as a contributing factor to their rioting when everyone can see it is an excuse to get handy money into the area. The money gets allocated to dodgy "community jobs" that end up being inextricably linked to paramilitarism; in essence helping only a small percentage of those rioting and those least deserving of help imo. The front line morons are too thick to see that though.
I applied for one of those 'community' jobs on the Falls years ago, cracking interview, I met all the points and was given great feedback afterwards, ended up not getting the job was put on first reserve, I found out who got the job later and was disappointed as this fella was clearly getting the job before the interview his 10 years in jail would have been one of the main criteria for the post :o
They phoned me up about 4 months later to ask me to take the job as the other guy didn't work out hmmmmmmm.....
The peace money was given to both areas but in fairness West Belfast did fairly well in this because for most parts it was honest enough. The Shankill and other areas were different, I worked on the Shankill for about 3 years and they did have one community place that did good work but as you have said Tony they were dodgy enough.
As long as these groups keep getting funding they will be looking money, in truth what da fcuk do they really do?
Alternatives?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2013, 06:39:45 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 13, 2013, 05:19:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2013, 05:11:52 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 13, 2013, 04:35:46 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 13, 2013, 03:45:29 PM
I find it hard to understand the mentality that the closing of traditional industries should mean that some people a generation or two later are finding it hard to get work. I don't see how someone can sit around waiting for manufacturing jobs to appear in western Europe, you have to be completely closed off to reality to think that in this day and age.
In my harder moods I'd say it's their own tough shite for landing themselves where they are.
These boys aren't waiting on manufacturing or any other type of industry to come to their area, they are quite happy sitting on their hole.
I'm getting bored of hearing about people in East Belfast having no work and being thick. The same amount of people live on the Falls road and are very happy to bleed the system dry and work is something of a myth or folklore.
True but the boys in the East are using lack of investment in the area as a contributing factor to their rioting when everyone can see it is an excuse to get handy money into the area. The money gets allocated to dodgy "community jobs" that end up being inextricably linked to paramilitarism; in essence helping only a small percentage of those rioting and those least deserving of help imo. The front line morons are too thick to see that though.
I applied for one of those 'community' jobs on the Falls years ago, cracking interview, I met all the points and was given great feedback afterwards, ended up not getting the job was put on first reserve, I found out who got the job later and was disappointed as this fella was clearly getting the job before the interview his 10 years in jail would have been one of the main criteria for the post :o
They phoned me up about 4 months later to ask me to take the job as the other guy didn't work out hmmmmmmm.....
The peace money was given to both areas but in fairness West Belfast did fairly well in this because for most parts it was honest enough. The Shankill and other areas were different, I worked on the Shankill for about 3 years and they did have one community place that did good work but as you have said Tony they were dodgy enough.
As long as these groups keep getting funding they will be looking money, in truth what da fcuk do they really do?
As far as I can see most of them are a lot of nonsense, just another way of wasting your taxes. When the funding ends they just start again under a different name, usually the same faces involved.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2013, 06:39:45 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 13, 2013, 05:19:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2013, 05:11:52 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 13, 2013, 04:35:46 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 13, 2013, 03:45:29 PM
I find it hard to understand the mentality that the closing of traditional industries should mean that some people a generation or two later are finding it hard to get work. I don't see how someone can sit around waiting for manufacturing jobs to appear in western Europe, you have to be completely closed off to reality to think that in this day and age.
In my harder moods I'd say it's their own tough shite for landing themselves where they are.
These boys aren't waiting on manufacturing or any other type of industry to come to their area, they are quite happy sitting on their hole.
I'm getting bored of hearing about people in East Belfast having no work and being thick. The same amount of people live on the Falls road and are very happy to bleed the system dry and work is something of a myth or folklore.
True but the boys in the East are using lack of investment in the area as a contributing factor to their rioting when everyone can see it is an excuse to get handy money into the area. The money gets allocated to dodgy "community jobs" that end up being inextricably linked to paramilitarism; in essence helping only a small percentage of those rioting and those least deserving of help imo. The front line morons are too thick to see that though.
I applied for one of those 'community' jobs on the Falls years ago, cracking interview, I met all the points and was given great feedback afterwards, ended up not getting the job was put on first reserve, I found out who got the job later and was disappointed as this fella was clearly getting the job before the interview his 10 years in jail would have been one of the main criteria for the post :o
They phoned me up about 4 months later to ask me to take the job as the other guy didn't work out hmmmmmmm.....
The peace money was given to both areas but in fairness West Belfast did fairly well in this because for most parts it was honest enough. The Shankill and other areas were different, I worked on the Shankill for about 3 years and they did have one community place that did good work but as you have said Tony they were dodgy enough.
As long as these groups keep getting funding they will be looking money, in truth what da fcuk do they really do?
Same for stormont and "culture" money.
I see the UDA are calling for an end to the protests. I wonder how that will sit with the UVF organisers!
I get the feeling it wont stop until theres a real tragedy - Quinn boys murder in Ballymoney to end the Drumcree nonsense years ago springs to mind
Serious questions.
Is it safe around City Hall these days? Is it different day v night?
Quote from: Myles Na G. on January 13, 2013, 06:50:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2013, 06:39:45 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 13, 2013, 05:19:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2013, 05:11:52 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 13, 2013, 04:35:46 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 13, 2013, 03:45:29 PM
I find it hard to understand the mentality that the closing of traditional industries should mean that some people a generation or two later are finding it hard to get work. I don't see how someone can sit around waiting for manufacturing jobs to appear in western Europe, you have to be completely closed off to reality to think that in this day and age.
In my harder moods I'd say it's their own tough shite for landing themselves where they are.
These boys aren't waiting on manufacturing or any other type of industry to come to their area, they are quite happy sitting on their hole.
I'm getting bored of hearing about people in East Belfast having no work and being thick. The same amount of people live on the Falls road and are very happy to bleed the system dry and work is something of a myth or folklore.
True but the boys in the East are using lack of investment in the area as a contributing factor to their rioting when everyone can see it is an excuse to get handy money into the area. The money gets allocated to dodgy "community jobs" that end up being inextricably linked to paramilitarism; in essence helping only a small percentage of those rioting and those least deserving of help imo. The front line morons are too thick to see that though.
I applied for one of those 'community' jobs on the Falls years ago, cracking interview, I met all the points and was given great feedback afterwards, ended up not getting the job was put on first reserve, I found out who got the job later and was disappointed as this fella was clearly getting the job before the interview his 10 years in jail would have been one of the main criteria for the post :o
They phoned me up about 4 months later to ask me to take the job as the other guy didn't work out hmmmmmmm.....
The peace money was given to both areas but in fairness West Belfast did fairly well in this because for most parts it was honest enough. The Shankill and other areas were different, I worked on the Shankill for about 3 years and they did have one community place that did good work but as you have said Tony they were dodgy enough.
As long as these groups keep getting funding they will be looking money, in truth what da fcuk do they really do?
Alternatives?
Would be one of the better groups, it's fighting a difficult fight but fair play to them
I remember years ago hearing that Andre Shoukri gambled 600k of "community" money given to some prisoners organisation on the Shore Road.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 13, 2013, 08:51:53 PM
I remember years ago hearing that Andre Shoukri gambled 600k of "community" money given to some prisoners organisation on the Shore Road.
He should have kept it unti Friday past there at huntington and done the horse 'glorious twelth' .
He would have a lot more cocaine now put it that way.
Quote from: muppet on January 13, 2013, 07:32:33 PM
Serious questions.
Is it safe around City Hall these days? Is it different day v night?
It's ok. 1 o'clock every saturday at the city hall is not the place to be as there seems to be a routine protest. The rest of the time it's fine and to be honest heading out in belfast is fine as long as you're not going towards east belfast.
The protests are pretty isolated and it's well communicated where they are.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 13, 2013, 07:28:47 PM
I get the feeling it wont stop until theres a real tragedy - Quinn boys murder in Ballymoney to end the Drumcree nonsense years ago springs to mind
yes. at the minute they are happy just to stone the cops but they'll get bored. the police are re-active not pro-active these guys want to provoke the taigs into full scale rioting a dead catholic/nationalist will do the trick.
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i read in the sunday world that poor wullie got his marching orders.. it seems the local uvf are not willing to share the limelight or the money with our wee wullie. hes gonna play with the cat til she scrabs him..
Quote from: lawnseed on January 13, 2013, 09:53:46 PM
i read in the sunday world that poor wullie got his marching orders.. it seems the local uvf are not willing to share the limelight or the money with our wee wullie. hes gonna play with the cat til she scrabs him..
Was wondering where he had disappeared to...
I am unfamiliar with the geography of Belfast but why on in the name of sanity are the PSNI funnelling Flag protestorspast Nationalist areas. Is this the only viable option or are they badly organising the repatriation of Loyalists from the City Centre?
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 14, 2013, 01:18:12 PM
I am unfamiliar with the geography of Belfast but why on in the name of sanity are the PSNI funnelling Flag protestorspast Nationalist areas. Is this the only viable option or are they badly organising the repatriation of Loyalists from the City Centre?
Its the main route back to their ghetto.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 14, 2013, 01:18:12 PM
I am unfamiliar with the geography of Belfast but why on in the name of sanity are the PSNI funnelling Flag protestorspast Nationalist areas. Is this the only viable option or are they badly organising the repatriation of Loyalists from the City Centre?
They split their route on the way back (against PSNI wishes, who asked nicely) to pass both sides of Short-strand
Quote from: NAG1 on January 14, 2013, 01:31:11 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 14, 2013, 01:18:12 PM
I am unfamiliar with the geography of Belfast but why on in the name of sanity are the PSNI funnelling Flag protestorspast Nationalist areas. Is this the only viable option or are they badly organising the repatriation of Loyalists from the City Centre?
Its the main route back to their ghetto.
Yeah just as Jeepers said. Would have made more sense (Sense!!) had they walked up the Newtownards Road
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on January 14, 2013, 12:40:02 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on January 13, 2013, 09:53:46 PM
i read in the sunday world that poor wullie got his marching orders.. it seems the local uvf are not willing to share the limelight or the money with our wee wullie. hes gonna play with the cat til she scrabs him..
Was wondering where he had disappeared to...
I just figured he was shutout after making a cod of himself on the radio prank call.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 14, 2013, 01:18:12 PM
I am unfamiliar with the geography of Belfast but why on in the name of sanity are the PSNI funnelling Flag protestorspast Nationalist areas. Is this the only viable option or are they badly organising the repatriation of Loyalists from the City Centre?
It's tradition MGHU. Go to the City Hall, shout "We Are The People", convince yourself you still own the place, then attack some Taigs on the way to the local drinking den. It's a vital expression of culture.
Quote from: AQMP on January 14, 2013, 02:34:23 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 14, 2013, 01:18:12 PM
I am unfamiliar with the geography of Belfast but why on in the name of sanity are the PSNI funnelling Flag protestorspast Nationalist areas. Is this the only viable option or are they badly organising the repatriation of Loyalists from the City Centre?
It's tradition MGHU. Go to the City Hall, shout "We Are The People", convince yourself you still own the place, then attack some Taigs on the way to the local drinking den. It's a vital expression of culture.
There will be grants for it in the near future just wait and see ;D
From the Twitter machine
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The Dub Shops? You can buy Dubs up there? Who'd want one of them?
Looks like they are making a family event on the 21st and 25th with a game of Statues(Operation Standstill), haven't played that in a long long time, I might join in on that one, as it Province Wide there must be one going on up here in Donegal too, maybe they are looking to get it into the Guinness Book of Records for the most people playing Statues at the same time.
I take it staff at Alliance Party offices on Newtownards Road,are staggering their hours and finishing at 3.25pm every day?
Operation standstill has been a bit of a failure so far. Ballygawley roundabout has been mentioned a few times but no stoppage yet.
They really don't have the support in numbers like back in 96 with Drumcree.
The pathetic bunch of losers need to get used to the fact that this small state has changed and will continue to do so.
Quote from: EC Unique on January 14, 2013, 03:46:22 PM
Operation standstill has been a bit of a failure so far. Ballygawley roundabout has been mentioned a few times but no stoppage yet.
They really don't have the support in numbers like back in 96 with Drumcree.
The pathetic bunch of losers need to get used to the fact that this small state has changed and will continue to do so.
Is it scheduled at 3.30pm so the school kids can join the protests?
Quote from: armaghniac on January 11, 2013, 09:12:27 PM
QuoteNot sure what "publicity will kill of NI" means,
you said that "People are very sensitive to any escalation of news". I am agreeing with the proposition that unfavourable publicity will reduce NIs chances. Is this really so hard to understand?
Quotenor what you mean by "international investment of the blue sky variety" nor which people are closer to problem than others
Businesses already in Ireland may have a better grasp of local geography than ones in China. Once again, is this really so hard to understand?
Is it hard to understand that your entire proposition is not possible to implement without the support of the government, in this case the Stormont executive? And whilst that may be possible- it is entirely unlikely.
Restating your irrelevant remarks whether you think they are intelligent or coherent or correct will not make your initial proposition any more likely, or any less wrong...
QuoteRestating your irrelevant remarks whether you think they are intelligent or coherent or correct will not make your initial proposition any more likely, or any less wrong...
My original proposition that towns or districts promote themselves was neither wrong nor irrelevant, positive engagement by localities is a feature throughout the world. In response, you can say that doing this would be ineffective in NI and it should have been possible for you to do this without reference to intelligence or implication that what I said was incomprehensible.
In fact, Stormont are likely to promote economic development, like other public initiatives some places will make more of these policies than others.
Sorry for my tetchy comments, I apologise for the intelligence dig- absolutely uncalled for. Over the last 10 years I have had to deal with folk making the assumption that "we've never had any bother in Fermanagh" which obviously makes it a viable destination for a new 400 person R&D project, and I will just get pissed whenever I have to explain it again.
That being said:
Quote from: armaghniac on January 14, 2013, 05:46:49 PM
My original proposition that towns or districts promote themselves was neither wrong nor irrelevant, positive engagement by localities is a feature throughout the world.
Your original proposition is below and bears very little semblance to the morphed position above
Quote from: armaghniac on January 11, 2013, 03:15:17 PM
QuoteTime for Nationalist areas to start seeking investment promoting the line "no bother in our areas".
Absolutely. Nationalist areas should promote themselves as good places to do business, with good schools and positive forward looking people. Since political progression is going to be away from unionism, places like Newry and Derry can move seamlessly to new arrangements in a pro-business United Ireland.
The only problem is that most nationalist "leaders" have neither the wit to realise this, nor the credibility to bring it about. :(
Quote from: armaghniac on January 14, 2013, 05:46:49 PM
In response, you can say that doing this would be ineffective in NI and it should have been possible for you to do this without reference to intelligence or implication that what I said was incomprehensible.
The outside investment is a bet on the jurisdiction & state (country) first and foremost, the actual location of the investment will be based on the attractiveness of the venue to the target labour pool combined with its attractiveness to the investing body and its accessibility to other offices. In other words, airports, hotels, restaurants, universities. In very real terms that means Belfast city centre.
So, let me try again, without any insult to your intelligence or anything else, your original point, (without the irrelevant remarks like
Quote from: armaghniac on January 14, 2013, 05:46:49 PMIn fact, Stormont are likely to promote economic development, like other public initiatives some places will make more of these policies than others.
) that nationalist areas go it alone and get inward investment is a good way for someone to spend money to try and achieve an unattainable goal.
QuoteAbsolutely. Nationalist areas should promote themselves as good places to do business, with good schools and positive forward looking people.
Part of the problem is that I didn't originally mention inward investment, as I largely accept your proposition that outside investment is a bet on the jurisdiction & state (country) first and foremost. For many years turmoil in nationalist areas could have pushed business to move by away with blocked roads and the like, they should now try to be as encouraging local enterprise as possible.
QuoteOver the last 10 years I have had to deal with folk making the assumption that "we've never had any bother in Fermanagh" which obviously makes it a viable destination for a new 400 person R&D project,
At the risk of aggravating a whole different set of people, the tragedy of the demise of Quinn is all the greater as it is so hard to get economic activity going in Fermanagh, Cavan, Leitrim etc. Newry or Derry may get something, but further west will have difficulties in any political set up.
Oh dear!
Tonight on University Challenge, Jeremy Paxman just described Peter Robinson as Ian Paisley's bag carrier.
Expect the easily upset and most oppressed people in the world to flood the BBC with complaints.
Just when you think they can't sink any lower, this evening there were petrol bomb attacks on St Matthew's and pensioners bungalows in the Short Strand. A special needs group were using the parish hall next to the chapel the time of the attack.
The walk home for these 'protestors' is a big part of it for them, i.e past the Markets and Short Strand. Bad enough that the police let them onto the road, but the police should insist on the oute they take, and it should be nowhere near the Short Strand.Im in England at the minute so hard to keep up to speed, but are Nationalist leaders putting enough pressure on the police on all this? Like why the f"!* are they tip-toeing around these c*"#s? Get the feeling the police are worried about pissing the loyalists off, but its time they dealt with this properly. Too much disruption for ordinary people!!
After years of seeing PSNI/RUC coming from the republican side, I almost choked on my coffee this weekend when I saw it referred to as PSNIRA by some group on FB.
Next official flag-flying day is this Sunday, birthday of Countess of Wessex.
God bless mam
Saw Alex Maskey there on UTV news. Jaysus he's a tough looking hoor. They should send him out with a lock of hurls and instructions to make splinters.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 14, 2013, 11:07:04 PM
Saw Alex Maskey there on UTV news. Jaysus he's a tough looking hoor. They should send him out with a lock of hurls and instructions to make splinters.
i think alex was a useful boxer in his day, nice guy- not soft
Quote from: lawnseed on January 14, 2013, 11:10:26 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 14, 2013, 11:07:04 PM
Saw Alex Maskey there on UTV news. Jaysus he's a tough looking hoor. They should send him out with a lock of hurls and instructions to make splinters.
i think alex was a useful boxer in his day, nice guy- not soft
Wiki says he was a labourer on the docks and won 71 of 75 amateur bouts. Safe to say he would know how to look after himself!
And managed to live after being shot six times I think
Watched UTV Live there tonight, unbelievable, the loyalists attacked the Short Strand and when the people os SS started to retaliate the PSNI sheltered the loyalists behind their jeeps!
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 15, 2013, 12:47:17 AM
Watched UTV Live there tonight, unbelievable, the loyalists attacked the Short Strand and when the people os SS started to retaliate the PSNI sheltered the loyalists behind their jeeps!
Odd. 'Cos all I've heard all week is loyalists complaining that the PSNI have been tough on Prods, easy on Taigs. They've even got a slogan for it - PSNIRA. Maybe the peelers have switched sides? Or maybe you should take your bigot specs off before switching on the telly.
Its starting to take the usual format that the loyalists like to follow, protest for a bit, roar and shout and attack the police, once bored with that then attack the nearest Catholics. At least this time it is with stones and bottles as opposed to machine guns as in the past.
Quote from: Myles Na G. on January 15, 2013, 07:13:32 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 15, 2013, 12:47:17 AM
Watched UTV Live there tonight, unbelievable, the loyalists attacked the Short Strand and when the people os SS started to retaliate the PSNI sheltered the loyalists behind their jeeps!
Odd. 'Cos all I've heard all week is loyalists complaining that the PSNI have been tough on Prods, easy on Taigs. They've even got a slogan for it - PSNIRA. Maybe the peelers have switched sides? Or maybe you should take your bigot specs off before switching on the telly.
You have heard from who? The loyalists. Please tell me where nationalists have been out protesting, blocking roads, burning flags, attacking homes, attacking disabled peolpe, burning Alliance offices, hijacking buses, stopping old people getting to visit relatives in hospital. You call me a bigot, I would take that as an insult from someone who had a balanced view on things but from you it just seems laughable. Please abstain from commenting further as you clearly are just a wind up merchant, actually dissappointed at myseslf for replying but then again people like you need to put straight.
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on January 15, 2013, 07:35:42 AM
Its got nothing to do with "Tough on x, Easy on y" - Baggott is trying to determine strategically what is the best way that this will disappear in as short as time possible. I'm sure patience with the softly softly approach is getting stretched, but there is no point in making martyrs of the wee f**kers either.
I *hope* that was he was saying yesterday implies they'll go to the doors and lift boys they get on camera. That worked well in london. It would be nice to see some boys who were lying in their bed planning their rioting for the evening getting a wee knock at the door. 85 have been charged which is a reasonable amount and os bound to lessen their numbers. Hopefully there will be a lot more.
Myles when a doctor is trying to get to a terminal patient and the police go and ask the protestors to let them through only to be refused and the doctor turned away questions do need to be asked.
Watch some ardoyne protests and see how them boys were asked to get off the road.
To be fair to the cops it would take a hell of a lot of work sifting through CCTV images to identify the culprits. I'd be hopeful that takes place once the rioting subsides. The manpower required for follow up arrests is more than likely out on street corners every day/night getting petrol bombs lobbed at them!
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 15, 2013, 09:19:20 AM
To be fair to the cops it would take a hell of a lot of work sifting through CCTV images to identify the culprits. I'd be hopeful that takes place once the rioting subsides. The manpower required for follow up arrests is more than likely out on street corners every day/night getting petrol bombs lobbed at them!
Could they not just publish their photos in the News Letter and Tele like they did with the Ardoyne rioters in the Irish News??
Or the troubles in the holylands and then somebody's ma can shop them!
It worked well in London - the ones who were at the rioting and looting won't be doing it again in a hurry.
Possibly wishful thinking mind you.
Quote from: AQMP on January 15, 2013, 09:24:25 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 15, 2013, 09:19:20 AM
To be fair to the cops it would take a hell of a lot of work sifting through CCTV images to identify the culprits. I'd be hopeful that takes place once the rioting subsides. The manpower required for follow up arrests is more than likely out on street corners every day/night getting petrol bombs lobbed at them!
Could they not just publish their photos in the News Letter and Tele like they did with the Ardoyne rioters in the Irish News??
They could.......but.
What about the rioters with masks/flegs covering their faces?
Quote from: AQMP on January 15, 2013, 09:24:25 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 15, 2013, 09:19:20 AM
To be fair to the cops it would take a hell of a lot of work sifting through CCTV images to identify the culprits. I'd be hopeful that takes place once the rioting subsides. The manpower required for follow up arrests is more than likely out on street corners every day/night getting petrol bombs lobbed at them!
Could they not just publish their photos in the News Letter and Tele like they did with the Ardoyne rioters in the Irish News??
That would make sense. How soon after the Ardoyne riots did they publish those? Those riots only lasted two/three days IIRC. There have been 40+ instances of protests/riots now which would require a lot of work to get moving as, no doubt, there would be a load of red tape to go through before they could publish images etc
Yeah you are probably right. Being too heavy handed would be counter productive really. The more heavy handed they are the more likely someone, probably a police officer, is to get killed. If you look at some incidents on saturday the police could actually trap these guys easy enough but it would get very messy.
Interesting blog here http://garethrussellcidevant.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-protestants-of-ireland-know-nothing.html (http://garethrussellcidevant.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-protestants-of-ireland-know-nothing.html). It's a unionist guy blogging but it is an articulate and fairly objective blog which is refreshing to see for a change. (Both the articulate and the objective parts)
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 15, 2013, 09:27:58 AM
Or the troubles in the holylands and then somebody's ma can shop them!
It worked well in London - the ones who were at the rioting and looting won't be doing it again in a hurry.
Possibly wishful thinking mind you.
They did this on UTV one night, was a couple of weeks ago in fairness (thought I'd seen an ex student of mine) and I don't watch a lot of news on TV or buy a paper
Simply no excuses. The police cannot be forgiven for tip toeing around a bunch of teenage scumbags for fear of upsetting them. If it was just in East Belfast it would be nothing more than an easy excuse, where the paramilitaries are rife, but the cops are employing the same facilitation strategy across the board. Places like Omagh, a majority Catholic town with no real active loyalist paramilitary group and the same small group of scumbags are out on a regular basis, illegally blocking the roads at rush hour and kicking blocked cars while the police stand around with them having a good ol' yarn. Unacceptable. Meanwhile, in the same town a few weeks ago, in the wee small hours when there was little or no traffic, five or six lads singing a celtic song at the side of the road outside a pub, were charged into, several were hit with batons and two were arrested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGm_7Gg3Ow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGm_7Gg3Ow)
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 15, 2013, 10:06:29 AM
Yeah you are probably right. Being too heavy handed would be counter productive really. The more heavy handed they are the more likely someone, probably a police officer, is to get killed. If you look at some incidents on saturday the police could actually trap these guys easy enough but it would get very messy.
Interesting blog here http://garethrussellcidevant.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-protestants-of-ireland-know-nothing.html (http://garethrussellcidevant.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-protestants-of-ireland-know-nothing.html). It's a unionist guy blogging but it is an articulate and fairly objective blog which is refreshing to see for a change. (Both the articulate and the objective parts)
This is an interesting and well thought out article that makes many good points. However it does worry me slightly that a graduate of St Peter's College Oxford, who also hold a Master's in Mediaeval History from Queen's, and has written two novels, uses the phrase "wrapped harshly over the knuckles"...twice. Had it not been for that I'd have given him an A+.
Quote from: AQMP on January 15, 2013, 11:56:46 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 15, 2013, 10:06:29 AM
Yeah you are probably right. Being too heavy handed would be counter productive really. The more heavy handed they are the more likely someone, probably a police officer, is to get killed. If you look at some incidents on saturday the police could actually trap these guys easy enough but it would get very messy.
Interesting blog here http://garethrussellcidevant.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-protestants-of-ireland-know-nothing.html (http://garethrussellcidevant.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-protestants-of-ireland-know-nothing.html). It's a unionist guy blogging but it is an articulate and fairly objective blog which is refreshing to see for a change. (Both the articulate and the objective parts)
This is an interesting and well thought out article that makes many good points. However it does worry me slightly that a graduate of St Peter's College Oxford, who also hold a Master's in Mediaeval History from Queen's, and has written two novels, uses the phrase"wrapped harshly over the knuckles"...twice. Had it not been for that I'd have given him an A+.
LOL
Loyalists against democracy translation utility: http://lad.eu01.aws.af.cm/?fb (http://lad.eu01.aws.af.cm/?fb)
(May have been posted before)
Quote from: AQMP on January 15, 2013, 11:56:46 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 15, 2013, 10:06:29 AM
Yeah you are probably right. Being too heavy handed would be counter productive really. The more heavy handed they are the more likely someone, probably a police officer, is to get killed. If you look at some incidents on saturday the police could actually trap these guys easy enough but it would get very messy.
Interesting blog here http://garethrussellcidevant.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-protestants-of-ireland-know-nothing.html (http://garethrussellcidevant.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-protestants-of-ireland-know-nothing.html). It's a unionist guy blogging but it is an articulate and fairly objective blog which is refreshing to see for a change. (Both the articulate and the objective parts)
This is an interesting and well thought out article that makes many good points. However it does worry me slightly that a graduate of St Peter's College Oxford, who also hold a Master's in Mediaeval History from Queen's, and has written two novels, uses the phrase "wrapped harshly over the knuckles"...twice. Had it not been for that I'd have given him an A+.
It's well thought out from a unionist perspective as he talks about all the concessions have been on the unionist side.
Well if fair employment legislation, and equal rights to housing, education, an impartial policing service etc are deemed a concession then yes they've had to make concessions but that tells you more about where we were than where we are now.
Good article below
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Peace-in-Northern-Ireland-shattered-by-frustrated-under-educated-Loyalists-whose-union-flag-protests-have-no-clear-endgame-186922241.html?mob-ua=Y
Quote from: ApresMatch on January 15, 2013, 02:10:58 PM
Good article below
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Peace-in-Northern-Ireland-shattered-by-frustrated-under-educated-Loyalists-whose-union-flag-protests-have-no-clear-endgame-186922241.html?mob-ua=Y
+1
Loyalists have been failed by their organisations for years, be it the paramilitaries dealing their young people drugs, their political representatives not having a clue and always being used by the Unionist big two when they need a reaction of some description for their own gains not the gain of the loyalist people, they continually fail to see that they are used by the Unionists who call the tune.
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 15, 2013, 10:37:59 AM
Simply no excuses. The police cannot be forgiven for tip toeing around a bunch of teenage scumbags for fear of upsetting them. If it was just in East Belfast it would be nothing more than an easy excuse, where the paramilitaries are rife, but the cops are employing the same facilitation strategy across the board. Places like Omagh, a majority Catholic town with no real active loyalist paramilitary group and the same small group of scumbags are out on a regular basis, illegally blocking the roads at rush hour and kicking blocked cars while the police stand around with them having a good ol' yarn. Unacceptable. Meanwhile, in the same town a few weeks ago, in the wee small hours when there was little or no traffic, five or six lads singing a celtic song at the side of the road outside a pub, were charged into, several were hit with batons and two were arrested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGm_7Gg3Ow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGm_7Gg3Ow)
No doubt you've asked your local Sinn Féin MLA/MP to get their reps on the Policing Board to raise your valid complaint.
I presume you will also make a complaint to the Police Ombudsman.
Or are you just happy to bitch on the Gaaboard.....
Quote from: Myles Na G. on January 15, 2013, 07:13:32 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 15, 2013, 12:47:17 AM
Watched UTV Live there tonight, unbelievable, the loyalists attacked the Short Strand and when the people os SS started to retaliate the PSNI sheltered the loyalists behind their jeeps!
Odd. 'Cos all I've heard all week is loyalists complaining that the PSNI have been tough on Prods, easy on Taigs. They've even got a slogan for it - PSNIRA. Maybe the peelers have switched sides? Or maybe you should take your bigot specs off before switching on the telly.
Why do you think that Fear Bun Na Sceilpe is a)wrong in observation and b) his error is motivated by bigotry?
Is it because a)you believe the loyalists complaining about heavy-handiness and b)you believe them because the are well-rounded, open-minded people protesting?
I have yet the here a report of the cops being unable to implement a ruling by the parades commision (where you have large groups wanting/opposing parades). This suggests that they are well able to clear roads of Orange Order Supporters or Resident Groups objecting.
So if they are allowing a few hundred kids stop traffic week in/week out I would venture they are more "hands off" than "tough on Prods" at the moment?
Then again maybe the forum are right: if Northern Ireland didn't have devolved government then we wouldn't have taigs in the police and the even-handed RUC wouldn't have morphed into PSNIRA!
/Jim.
Edit: you are right. I checked Willie Frazer's website and the way forward is clear:
QuoteI would appeal to influential republicans to stop their people from attacking Loyalists and Loyalist areas. I would also appeal to the media to be fair and balanced. These two things combined are being used to tarnish and demonize young Loyalists who in many cases are simply protecting themselves, fellow protesters or their area.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2013, 02:27:01 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 15, 2013, 10:37:59 AM
Simply no excuses. The police cannot be forgiven for tip toeing around a bunch of teenage scumbags for fear of upsetting them. If it was just in East Belfast it would be nothing more than an easy excuse, where the paramilitaries are rife, but the cops are employing the same facilitation strategy across the board. Places like Omagh, a majority Catholic town with no real active loyalist paramilitary group and the same small group of scumbags are out on a regular basis, illegally blocking the roads at rush hour and kicking blocked cars while the police stand around with them having a good ol' yarn. Unacceptable. Meanwhile, in the same town a few weeks ago, in the wee small hours when there was little or no traffic, five or six lads singing a celtic song at the side of the road outside a pub, were charged into, several were hit with batons and two were arrested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGm_7Gg3Ow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGm_7Gg3Ow)
No doubt you've asked your local Sinn Féin MLA/MP to get their reps on the Policing Board to raise your valid complaint.
I presume you will also make a complaint to the Police Ombudsman.
Or are you just happy to bitch on the Gaaboard.....
You're obsessed ::)
My post highlights the differing police tactics in the same town. This is a discussion board. So would you get over yourself and go and sicken someone else's hole for a while.
P.s. http://www.westtyronesinnfein.com/news/23400 (http://www.westtyronesinnfein.com/news/23400)
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 15, 2013, 01:30:11 PM
Loyalists against democracy translation utility: http://lad.eu01.aws.af.cm/?fb (http://lad.eu01.aws.af.cm/?fb)
(May have been posted before)
That's brilliant
Quote from: johnneycool on January 15, 2013, 01:58:57 PM
Quote from: AQMP on January 15, 2013, 11:56:46 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 15, 2013, 10:06:29 AM
Yeah you are probably right. Being too heavy handed would be counter productive really. The more heavy handed they are the more likely someone, probably a police officer, is to get killed. If you look at some incidents on saturday the police could actually trap these guys easy enough but it would get very messy.
Interesting blog here http://garethrussellcidevant.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-protestants-of-ireland-know-nothing.html (http://garethrussellcidevant.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-protestants-of-ireland-know-nothing.html). It's a unionist guy blogging but it is an articulate and fairly objective blog which is refreshing to see for a change. (Both the articulate and the objective parts)
This is an interesting and well thought out article that makes many good points. However it does worry me slightly that a graduate of St Peter's College Oxford, who also hold a Master's in Mediaeval History from Queen's, and has written two novels, uses the phrase "wrapped harshly over the knuckles"...twice. Had it not been for that I'd have given him an A+.
It's well thought out from a unionist perspective as he talks about all the concessions have been on the unionist side.
Well if fair employment legislation, and equal rights to housing, education, an impartial policing service etc are deemed a concession then yes they've had to make concessions but that tells you more about where we were than where we are now.
Well yes I would agree there but it's nice to see something even slightly balanced.
The concessions with regard to republican prisoners getting released with the GFA keeps repeatedly coming up. I'm not sure why any reasonable thinking person doesn't grasp the concept that as well as republican paramilitaries getting out of jail after the GFA there were also a lot of loyalist paramilitaries who did so in terms of concessions two sides did that.
Some of it boils down to the fact that we're moving towards equality and our starting point was very far from it so when they have to give an inch towards equality it's a "concession".
The history thing also is very valid but he doesn't describe a few things. I have no time for paramilitaries whatsoever however I think most of the "loyalist" population are of the opinion that the IRA were going to wipe them out and loyalist paramilitaries only exist to protect against the IRA. (or other republican paramilitaries).
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 15, 2013, 03:20:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2013, 02:27:01 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 15, 2013, 10:37:59 AM
Simply no excuses. The police cannot be forgiven for tip toeing around a bunch of teenage scumbags for fear of upsetting them. If it was just in East Belfast it would be nothing more than an easy excuse, where the paramilitaries are rife, but the cops are employing the same facilitation strategy across the board. Places like Omagh, a majority Catholic town with no real active loyalist paramilitary group and the same small group of scumbags are out on a regular basis, illegally blocking the roads at rush hour and kicking blocked cars while the police stand around with them having a good ol' yarn. Unacceptable. Meanwhile, in the same town a few weeks ago, in the wee small hours when there was little or no traffic, five or six lads singing a celtic song at the side of the road outside a pub, were charged into, several were hit with batons and two were arrested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGm_7Gg3Ow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGm_7Gg3Ow)
No doubt you've asked your local Sinn Féin MLA/MP to get their reps on the Policing Board to raise your valid complaint.
I presume you will also make a complaint to the Police Ombudsman.
Or are you just happy to bitch on the Gaaboard.....
You're obsessed ::)
My post highlights the differing police tactics in the same town. This is a discussion board. So would you get over yourself and go and sicken someone else's hole for a while.
Ahhh you poor little sensitive child...... is nobody allowed to put even the mildest question or criticism of the poor little ladeen. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2013, 03:53:08 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 15, 2013, 03:20:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2013, 02:27:01 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 15, 2013, 10:37:59 AM
Simply no excuses. The police cannot be forgiven for tip toeing around a bunch of teenage scumbags for fear of upsetting them. If it was just in East Belfast it would be nothing more than an easy excuse, where the paramilitaries are rife, but the cops are employing the same facilitation strategy across the board. Places like Omagh, a majority Catholic town with no real active loyalist paramilitary group and the same small group of scumbags are out on a regular basis, illegally blocking the roads at rush hour and kicking blocked cars while the police stand around with them having a good ol' yarn. Unacceptable. Meanwhile, in the same town a few weeks ago, in the wee small hours when there was little or no traffic, five or six lads singing a celtic song at the side of the road outside a pub, were charged into, several were hit with batons and two were arrested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGm_7Gg3Ow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGm_7Gg3Ow)
No doubt you've asked your local Sinn Féin MLA/MP to get their reps on the Policing Board to raise your valid complaint.
I presume you will also make a complaint to the Police Ombudsman.
Or are you just happy to bitch on the Gaaboard.....
You're obsessed ::)
My post highlights the differing police tactics in the same town. This is a discussion board. So would you get over yourself and go and sicken someone else's hole for a while.
Ahhh you poor little sensitive child...... is nobody allowed to put even the mildest question or criticism of the poor little ladeen. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Criticism? What criticism was there? "Witty" (snide) remarks are hardly constructive criticism. The height of your "criticism" as far as I can see is that I posted about something on this board. Something you have done 4549 times to date yourself. Others have talked about police handling of the riots on this board, yet the first instance where I do, you cry about it. Like I say, a tad obsessed.
The focus on educational standards in protestant areas is very apt. The Good Friday Agreement was signed god-knows-how many years ago. Yet the some of the people in Loyalist areas still dont get it.
Today's joke: Will non-denominational schools bring one side up, but drag the other side down?
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 15, 2013, 04:10:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2013, 03:53:08 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 15, 2013, 03:20:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2013, 02:27:01 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 15, 2013, 10:37:59 AM
Simply no excuses. The police cannot be forgiven for tip toeing around a bunch of teenage scumbags for fear of upsetting them. If it was just in East Belfast it would be nothing more than an easy excuse, where the paramilitaries are rife, but the cops are employing the same facilitation strategy across the board. Places like Omagh, a majority Catholic town with no real active loyalist paramilitary group and the same small group of scumbags are out on a regular basis, illegally blocking the roads at rush hour and kicking blocked cars while the police stand around with them having a good ol' yarn. Unacceptable. Meanwhile, in the same town a few weeks ago, in the wee small hours when there was little or no traffic, five or six lads singing a celtic song at the side of the road outside a pub, were charged into, several were hit with batons and two were arrested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGm_7Gg3Ow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGm_7Gg3Ow)
No doubt you've asked your local Sinn Féin MLA/MP to get their reps on the Policing Board to raise your valid complaint.
I presume you will also make a complaint to the Police Ombudsman.
Or are you just happy to bitch on the Gaaboard.....
You're obsessed ::)
My post highlights the differing police tactics in the same town. This is a discussion board. So would you get over yourself and go and sicken someone else's hole for a while.
Ahhh you poor little sensitive child...... is nobody allowed to put even the mildest question or criticism of the poor little ladeen. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Criticism? What criticism was there? "Witty" (snide) remarks are hardly constructive criticism. The height of your "criticism" as far as I can see is that I posted about something on this board. Something you have done 4549 times to date yourself. Others have talked about police handling of the riots on this board, yet the first instance where I do, you cry about it. Like I say, a tad obsessed.
Don't flatter yourself buckeen. ;D
A mild questioning of your post brought forth some ugly invective from you. The mannerly way to have responded was along the lines of " SF have already raised this" and post the link.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2013, 05:56:52 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 15, 2013, 04:10:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2013, 03:53:08 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 15, 2013, 03:20:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2013, 02:27:01 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 15, 2013, 10:37:59 AM
Simply no excuses. The police cannot be forgiven for tip toeing around a bunch of teenage scumbags for fear of upsetting them. If it was just in East Belfast it would be nothing more than an easy excuse, where the paramilitaries are rife, but the cops are employing the same facilitation strategy across the board. Places like Omagh, a majority Catholic town with no real active loyalist paramilitary group and the same small group of scumbags are out on a regular basis, illegally blocking the roads at rush hour and kicking blocked cars while the police stand around with them having a good ol' yarn. Unacceptable. Meanwhile, in the same town a few weeks ago, in the wee small hours when there was little or no traffic, five or six lads singing a celtic song at the side of the road outside a pub, were charged into, several were hit with batons and two were arrested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGm_7Gg3Ow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGm_7Gg3Ow)
No doubt you've asked your local Sinn Féin MLA/MP to get their reps on the Policing Board to raise your valid complaint.
I presume you will also make a complaint to the Police Ombudsman.
Or are you just happy to bitch on the Gaaboard.....
You're obsessed ::)
My post highlights the differing police tactics in the same town. This is a discussion board. So would you get over yourself and go and sicken someone else's hole for a while.
Ahhh you poor little sensitive child...... is nobody allowed to put even the mildest question or criticism of the poor little ladeen. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Criticism? What criticism was there? "Witty" (snide) remarks are hardly constructive criticism. The height of your "criticism" as far as I can see is that I posted about something on this board. Something you have done 4549 times to date yourself. Others have talked about police handling of the riots on this board, yet the first instance where I do, you cry about it. Like I say, a tad obsessed.
Don't flatter yourself buckeen. ;D
A mild questioning of your post brought forth some ugly invective from you. The mannerly way to have responded was along the lines of " SF have already raised this" and post the link.
A mild questioning of my post? You didn't question a single thing about my post. You merely accused me of "bitching" for having written the post at all (what was it you were lecturing about? Being "mannerly?"). Again, my post was aimed at discussing the police handling of the riots. You taking issue of me for writing about this but not taking issue with anyone else for doing the same really does make me think ur a tad obsessed im afraid. :-\
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 15, 2013, 07:10:27 PM
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Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2013, 02:27:01 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 15, 2013, 10:37:59 AM
Simply no excuses. The police cannot be forgiven for tip toeing around a bunch of teenage scumbags for fear of upsetting them. If it was just in East Belfast it would be nothing more than an easy excuse, where the paramilitaries are rife, but the cops are employing the same facilitation strategy across the board. Places like Omagh, a majority Catholic town with no real active loyalist paramilitary group and the same small group of scumbags are out on a regular basis, illegally blocking the roads at rush hour and kicking blocked cars while the police stand around with them having a good ol' yarn. Unacceptable. Meanwhile, in the same town a few weeks ago, in the wee small hours when there was little or no traffic, five or six lads singing a celtic song at the side of the road outside a pub, were charged into, several were hit with batons and two were arrested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGm_7Gg3Ow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGm_7Gg3Ow)
No doubt you've asked your local Sinn Féin MLA/MP to get their reps on the Policing Board to raise your valid complaint.
I presume you will also make a complaint to the Police Ombudsman.
Or are you just happy to bitch on the Gaaboard.....
You're obsessed ::)
My post highlights the differing police tactics in the same town. This is a discussion board. So would you get over yourself and go and sicken someone else's hole for a while.
Ahhh you poor little sensitive child...... is nobody allowed to put even the mildest question or criticism of the poor little ladeen. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Criticism? What criticism was there? "Witty" (snide) remarks are hardly constructive criticism. The height of your "criticism" as far as I can see is that I posted about something on this board. Something you have done 4549 times to date yourself. Others have talked about police handling of the riots on this board, yet the first instance where I do, you cry about it. Like I say, a tad obsessed.
Don't flatter yourself buckeen. ;D
A mild questioning of your post brought forth some ugly invective from you. The mannerly way to have responded was along the lines of " SF have already raised this" and post the link.
A mild questioning of my post? You didn't question a single thing about my post. You merely accused me of "bitching" for having written the post at all. Again, my post was aimed at discussing the police handling of the riots. You taking issue of me for writing about this but not taking issue with anyone else for doing the same really does make me think ur a tad obsessed im afraid. :-\
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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 15, 2013, 07:36:04 PM
Gentlemen, choose your weapons:
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 15, 2013, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on January 15, 2013, 07:13:32 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 15, 2013, 12:47:17 AM
Watched UTV Live there tonight, unbelievable, the loyalists attacked the Short Strand and when the people os SS started to retaliate the PSNI sheltered the loyalists behind their jeeps!
Odd. 'Cos all I've heard all week is loyalists complaining that the PSNI have been tough on Prods, easy on Taigs. They've even got a slogan for it - PSNIRA. Maybe the peelers have switched sides? Or maybe you should take your bigot specs off before switching on the telly.
You have heard from who? The loyalists. Please tell me where nationalists have been out protesting, blocking roads, burning flags, attacking homes, attacking disabled peolpe, burning Alliance offices, hijacking buses, stopping old people getting to visit relatives in hospital. You call me a bigot, I would take that as an insult from someone who had a balanced view on things but from you it just seems laughable. Please abstain from commenting further as you clearly are just a wind up merchant, actually dissappointed at myseslf for replying but then again people like you need to put straight.
'the peelers bate us off the road, but they hardly touch themmuns'. The perpetual whine of the bigot, orange or green. That's what my post was about. Haven't a buckin' clue what yours relates to.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 15, 2013, 07:36:04 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 15, 2013, 07:10:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2013, 05:56:52 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 15, 2013, 04:10:18 PM
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Quote from: Nally Stand on January 15, 2013, 03:20:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2013, 02:27:01 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 15, 2013, 10:37:59 AM
Simply no excuses. The police cannot be forgiven for tip toeing around a bunch of teenage scumbags for fear of upsetting them. If it was just in East Belfast it would be nothing more than an easy excuse, where the paramilitaries are rife, but the cops are employing the same facilitation strategy across the board. Places like Omagh, a majority Catholic town with no real active loyalist paramilitary group and the same small group of scumbags are out on a regular basis, illegally blocking the roads at rush hour and kicking blocked cars while the police stand around with them having a good ol' yarn. Unacceptable. Meanwhile, in the same town a few weeks ago, in the wee small hours when there was little or no traffic, five or six lads singing a celtic song at the side of the road outside a pub, were charged into, several were hit with batons and two were arrested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGm_7Gg3Ow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGm_7Gg3Ow)
No doubt you've asked your local Sinn Féin MLA/MP to get their reps on the Policing Board to raise your valid complaint.
I presume you will also make a complaint to the Police Ombudsman.
Or are you just happy to bitch on the Gaaboard.....
You're obsessed ::)
My post highlights the differing police tactics in the same town. This is a discussion board. So would you get over yourself and go and sicken someone else's hole for a while.
Ahhh you poor little sensitive child...... is nobody allowed to put even the mildest question or criticism of the poor little ladeen. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Criticism? What criticism was there? "Witty" (snide) remarks are hardly constructive criticism. The height of your "criticism" as far as I can see is that I posted about something on this board. Something you have done 4549 times to date yourself. Others have talked about police handling of the riots on this board, yet the first instance where I do, you cry about it. Like I say, a tad obsessed.
Don't flatter yourself buckeen. ;D
A mild questioning of your post brought forth some ugly invective from you. The mannerly way to have responded was along the lines of " SF have already raised this" and post the link.
A mild questioning of my post? You didn't question a single thing about my post. You merely accused me of "bitching" for having written the post at all. Again, my post was aimed at discussing the police handling of the riots. You taking issue of me for writing about this but not taking issue with anyone else for doing the same really does make me think ur a tad obsessed im afraid. :-\
Gentlemen, choose your weapons:
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Clearly the Connachtman has the boy from Ulster on the ropes. On da Whest.
Priceless contribution from the bowl Jamie Bryson:
Jamie Bryson
It has come to the attention of the UPF that the PSNI intend to invoke special legislation and arrest those organising or involved in protests. Tonight a PSNI snatch squad were primed to arrest two high profile loyalists in Belfast and were ordered to stand down because they could not get both people. Human rights independent international observers have been notified as well as media contacts across the world and if PSNI arrest peaceful protestors or arrest peaceful protest organisers without evidence of them breaking the law there is many human rights lawyers and MEP's from across Europe who have agreed to raise the issue on the world stage. The Israeli embassy has also been contacted and informed that political arrests are going to be made and they have promised support. All have also been made aware that the PSNI may try and set up certain loyalists for arrest to take them off the streets and thus they believe this will squash the protests. I warn them that they are playing with fire if they start arresting people for expressing their democratic right to peaceful protest.
A selection of responses:
Stephen Douglas wouldnt it b better to contact the israeli embassy in london?
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Evan Maxwell No irony at all that Israel faught the British to withdraw from the region 70 years ago... There are no union flags flying over Jerusalem city hall any more...
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Graham Houston That's cause Jesus looked like Bobby Sands! So don't go blaming us fs!
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http://www.facebook.com/pages/Proud-to-be-a-protestant-banter/436131339783285?fref=ts
Did the hoor never hear of a comma?
He's like lawnseedwithcapitalsandfullstops.
He is doing well to type anything from a straitjacket.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 15, 2013, 11:18:25 PM
He is doing well to type anything from a straitjacket.
Unreal, long may they continue to be lead by such baffoons, it would actually be completely laughable if it wasn't slightly scary when you read some of the literature that this boy is producing.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2013, 02:27:01 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 15, 2013, 10:37:59 AM
Simply no excuses. The police cannot be forgiven for tip toeing around a bunch of teenage scumbags for fear of upsetting them. If it was just in East Belfast it would be nothing more than an easy excuse, where the paramilitaries are rife, but the cops are employing the same facilitation strategy across the board. Places like Omagh, a majority Catholic town with no real active loyalist paramilitary group and the same small group of scumbags are out on a regular basis, illegally blocking the roads at rush hour and kicking blocked cars while the police stand around with them having a good ol' yarn. Unacceptable. Meanwhile, in the same town a few weeks ago, in the wee small hours when there was little or no traffic, five or six lads singing a celtic song at the side of the road outside a pub, were charged into, several were hit with batons and two were arrested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGm_7Gg3Ow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGm_7Gg3Ow)
No doubt you've asked your local Sinn Féin MLA/MP to get their reps on the Policing Board to raise your valid complaint.
I presume you will also make a complaint to the Police Ombudsman.
Or are you just happy to bitch on the Gaaboard.....
No need for that in these. mea culpa post-RUC times.
The
'Chief Constable of the PSNI has apologized to nationalist residents in Belfast whose homes were attacked by loyalist protesters over the weekend.' "Residents should not have been put through that. I'm sorry they were put through that trauma."when around 200 loyalists broke away from the main protest route and marched through the nationalist Short Strand area where they clashed with residents.
Of course, this not discount the BBC radio reports of Short Strand residents (aka bigots) actively engaging in sectarian conflict by attacking peaceful marchers on their way home ::)
Quote from: johnneycool on January 15, 2013, 01:58:57 PM
Quote from: AQMP on January 15, 2013, 11:56:46 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 15, 2013, 10:06:29 AM
Yeah you are probably right. Being too heavy handed would be counter productive really. The more heavy handed they are the more likely someone, probably a police officer, is to get killed. If you look at some incidents on saturday the police could actually trap these guys easy enough but it would get very messy.
Interesting blog here http://garethrussellcidevant.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-protestants-of-ireland-know-nothing.html (http://garethrussellcidevant.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-protestants-of-ireland-know-nothing.html). It's a unionist guy blogging but it is an articulate and fairly objective blog which is refreshing to see for a change. (Both the articulate and the objective parts)
This is an interesting and well thought out article that makes many good points. However it does worry me slightly that a graduate of St Peter's College Oxford, who also hold a Master's in Mediaeval History from Queen's, and has written two novels, uses the phrase "wrapped harshly over the knuckles"...twice. Had it not been for that I'd have given him an A+.
It's well thought out from a unionist perspective as he talks about all the concessions have been on the unionist side.
Well if fair employment legislation, and equal rights to housing, education, an impartial policing service etc are deemed a concession then yes they've had to make concessions but that tells you more about where we were than where we are now.
And yet despite all of these concessions more catholic areas are in the top 30 for social and economic deprivation, I believe only 2 loyalist areas make it and catholics are still more likely to be unemployed. This is something the media and Unionist politicians conveniently ignore.
There is no doubt that orders are coming from westminister for the RUC to keep there distance and let these poor subjects go about there business. As we have seen in the past if the nationalist side were to try and carry on like this the good people would have been shown no mercy what so ever.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/loyalist-flag-protester-jamie-bryson-hit-by-ifa-ban-for-violence-16261619.html
Cant help himself
I got talking to a copper the other night and was giving them a hard time for their softly softly approach to these yahoos blocking roads and whatnot and they told me that they arrested a lot more especially around Sandy Row after a bit of rioting and their commanding officer told them to let them go as 'it would be easier in the long run'.
WTF!
This Bryson lad is comedy gold but not in a positive way, for him anyway.
Over 40 days of loyalist riots and that great republican Micheal Martin gets a special column in the Irish News to talk about it...but uses it to bitch about SF. There's a shock. I'm sure, thanks to your unwavering support Micheal, the good people of the Short Strand will welcome you with open arms when your party comes looking for votes there at the next...oh...wait....
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 16, 2013, 02:06:00 PM
Over 40 days of loyalist riots and that great republican Micheal Martin gets a special column in the Irish News to talk about it...but uses it to bitch about SF. There's a shock. I'm sure, thanks to your unwavering support Micheal, the good people of the Short Strand will welcome you with open arms when your party comes looking for votes there at the next...oh...wait....
FF don't take part in British elections. ;)
Quote from: All of a Sludden on January 16, 2013, 02:10:10 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 16, 2013, 02:06:00 PM
Over 40 days of loyalist riots and that great republican Micheal Martin gets a special column in the Irish News to talk about it...but uses it to bitch about SF. There's a shock. I'm sure, thanks to your unwavering support Micheal, the good people of the Short Strand will welcome you with open arms when your party comes looking for votes there at the next...oh...wait....
FF don't take part in British elections. ;)
Good job Belfast isn't in Britain ;)
The fleg protesters are going to protest outside the Stephen Nolan Show on BBC 1 tonight. I might actually tune in tonight.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/loyalist-flag-protesters-target-stephen-nolan-16261909.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/loyalist-flag-protesters-target-stephen-nolan-16261909.html)
Eamon Gilmore due in Belfast tomorrow :o That should calm things down!
Quote from: All of a Sludden on January 16, 2013, 02:10:10 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 16, 2013, 02:06:00 PM
Over 40 days of loyalist riots and that great republican Micheal Martin gets a special column in the Irish News to talk about it...but uses it to bitch about SF. There's a shock. I'm sure, thanks to your unwavering support Micheal, the good people of the Short Strand will welcome you with open arms when your party comes looking for votes there at the next...oh...wait....
FF don't take part in British elections. ;)
According to the latest poll around 21% of free-staters are ready to vote for FF again!
Quote from: Arthur_Friend on January 16, 2013, 04:18:00 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on January 16, 2013, 02:10:10 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 16, 2013, 02:06:00 PM
Over 40 days of loyalist riots and that great republican Micheal Martin gets a special column in the Irish News to talk about it...but uses it to bitch about SF. There's a shock. I'm sure, thanks to your unwavering support Micheal, the good people of the Short Strand will welcome you with open arms when your party comes looking for votes there at the next...oh...wait....
FF don't take part in British elections. ;)
According to the latest poll around 21% of free-staters are ready to vote for FF again!
No doubt come election time, about a quarter of them will be seeking FF to run the show again. Which is fair enough, because it's not as if FF have ever bankrupted the place and surrendered sovereignty or anything like that!
Quote from: ziggysego on January 16, 2013, 03:01:50 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on January 16, 2013, 02:10:10 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 16, 2013, 02:06:00 PM
Over 40 days of loyalist riots and that great republican Micheal Martin gets a special column in the Irish News to talk about it...but uses it to bitch about SF. There's a shock. I'm sure, thanks to your unwavering support Micheal, the good people of the Short Strand will welcome you with open arms when your party comes looking for votes there at the next...oh...wait....
FF don't take part in British elections. ;)
Good job Belfast isn't in Britain ;)
Technically you are right ziggy, shall we settle on the United Kingdom? Do you take euros up there?
HMV had quite a few stores in NI. It does make you wonder how negative an impact the protests had and whether that was enough to tip them over the edge.
Probably not but the protests can't have helped. That Belfast one is always bunged and with people buying stuff rather than browsing. It probably wouldn't have been so much so this last month or two and december would be it's key month.
Quote from: Hereiam on January 16, 2013, 11:26:47 AM
There is no doubt that orders are coming from westminister for the RUC to keep there distance and let these poor subjects go about there business. As we have seen in the past if the nationalist side were to try and carry on like this the good people would have been shown no mercy what so ever.
Quote:
Here is a sentence from the New York Times:
'In a week's time, both sides have constructed deeply emotional stories explaining their roles, one–sided accounts that are offered with impassioned conviction, although in many respects they do not stand up, in either case, under careful scrutiny.'
The sentence refers to an incident in which Israeli soldiers shot Palestinian civilians, and each side clearly saw that the other had started the trouble. But the sentence could be applied with equal accuracy to all kinds of clashes, big and little, through the centuries. By itself this sentence tells a large part of human history.
(Robert Wright, The Moral Animal p284)
Quote from: All of a Sludden on January 16, 2013, 04:58:59 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on January 16, 2013, 03:01:50 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on January 16, 2013, 02:10:10 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 16, 2013, 02:06:00 PM
Over 40 days of loyalist riots and that great republican Micheal Martin gets a special column in the Irish News to talk about it...but uses it to bitch about SF. There's a shock. I'm sure, thanks to your unwavering support Micheal, the good people of the Short Strand will welcome you with open arms when your party comes looking for votes there at the next...oh...wait....
FF don't take part in British elections. ;)
Good job Belfast isn't in Britain ;)
Technically you are right ziggy, shall we settle on the United Kingdom? Do you take euros up there?
That was actually my point ;) if you're desperate to spend your euros, can I suggest going to Newry?
Quote from: ziggysego on January 16, 2013, 06:21:24 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on January 16, 2013, 04:58:59 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on January 16, 2013, 03:01:50 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on January 16, 2013, 02:10:10 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 16, 2013, 02:06:00 PM
Over 40 days of loyalist riots and that great republican Micheal Martin gets a special column in the Irish News to talk about it...but uses it to bitch about SF. There's a shock. I'm sure, thanks to your unwavering support Micheal, the good people of the Short Strand will welcome you with open arms when your party comes looking for votes there at the next...oh...wait....
FF don't take part in British elections. ;)
Good job Belfast isn't in Britain ;)
Technically you are right ziggy, shall we settle on the United Kingdom? Do you take euros up there?
That was actually my point ;) if you're desperate to spend your euros, can I suggest going to Newry?
What about the fleg protests? Would I be safe in an Irish registered car? ;)
Quote from: All of a Sludden on January 16, 2013, 07:28:11 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on January 16, 2013, 06:21:24 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on January 16, 2013, 04:58:59 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on January 16, 2013, 03:01:50 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on January 16, 2013, 02:10:10 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 16, 2013, 02:06:00 PM
Over 40 days of loyalist riots and that great republican Micheal Martin gets a special column in the Irish News to talk about it...but uses it to bitch about SF. There's a shock. I'm sure, thanks to your unwavering support Micheal, the good people of the Short Strand will welcome you with open arms when your party comes looking for votes there at the next...oh...wait....
FF don't take part in British elections. ;)
Good job Belfast isn't in Britain ;)
Technically you are right ziggy, shall we settle on the United Kingdom? Do you take euros up there?
That was actually my point ;) if you're desperate to spend your euros, can I suggest going to Newry?
What about the fleg protests? Would I be safe in an Irish registered car? ;)
You'll be a safe as a UK registerted car in Dublin :P
All Gaa clubs in West Belfast will take Euro except Rossa
Quote from: Myles Na G. on January 15, 2013, 09:26:35 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 15, 2013, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on January 15, 2013, 07:13:32 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 15, 2013, 12:47:17 AM
Watched UTV Live there tonight, unbelievable, the loyalists attacked the Short Strand and when the people os SS started to retaliate the PSNI sheltered the loyalists behind their jeeps!
Odd. 'Cos all I've heard all week is loyalists complaining that the PSNI have been tough on Prods, easy on Taigs. They've even got a slogan for it - PSNIRA. Maybe the peelers have switched sides? Or maybe you should take your bigot specs off before switching on the telly.
You have heard from who? The loyalists. Please tell me where nationalists have been out protesting, blocking roads, burning flags, attacking homes, attacking disabled peolpe, burning Alliance offices, hijacking buses, stopping old people getting to visit relatives in hospital. You call me a bigot, I would take that as an insult from someone who had a balanced view on things but from you it just seems laughable. Please abstain from commenting further as you clearly are just a wind up merchant, actually dissappointed at myseslf for replying but then again people like you need to put straight.
'the peelers bate us off the road, but they hardly touch themmuns'. The perpetual whine of the bigot, orange or green. That's what my post was about. Haven't a buckin' clue what yours relates to.
Right enough, I remember the plastic bullets, rubber bullets, internment of loyalists under the prevention of terrorism act!
You are clueless, arrogant and dead wrong.
As for the current PISSNI, our home got attacked in 98, the blew the fcuk out of one of the bathrooms, if anyone had have been in there they were dead..............the filth's response........................they said it was a halloween prank and that they would find the scum that did it, they didnt, the brother did though three years ago and kicked lumps out of one of the tramps.
The reason for the attack, we were the last Catholic family before a Protestant housing estate.
The peelers are useless, they protect drug dealers to get info on people they want to harass and I despise their ineptitude.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2013, 07:48:42 PM
All Gaa clubs in West Belfast will take Euro except Rossa
Any good safe hotel near Casement for us Rosfolk to stay in on 16th March??
Quote from: Rossfan on January 16, 2013, 09:26:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2013, 07:48:42 PM
All Gaa clubs in West Belfast will take Euro except Rossa
Any good safe hotel near Casement for us Rosfolk to stay in on 16th March??
Take your pick of any of the hotels in the city centre, Casement would be easy enough got to from the city centre.
Quote from: Minder on January 16, 2013, 09:36:12 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 16, 2013, 09:26:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2013, 07:48:42 PM
All Gaa clubs in West Belfast will take Euro except Rossa
Any good safe hotel near Casement for us Rosfolk to stay in on 16th March??
Take your pick of any of the hotels in the city centre, Casement would be easy enough got to from the city centre.
would avoid the Days hotel just off Sandy Row
See they're now threatening to protest outside GAA matches ... we'll see how brave they are if that comes to pass
Where did you read that? It's one thing protesting in loyalist areas but it would not end well if they did this. What are they going to do - go up the falls to casement?
Quote from: red hander on January 16, 2013, 10:06:01 PM
See they're now threatening to protest outside GAA matches ... we'll see how brave they are if that comes to pass
Lol. I heard cross are looking a challenge match in carrickmore? Go for it lads.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 16, 2013, 10:09:56 PM
Where did you read that? It's one thing protesting in loyalist areas but it would not end well if they did this. What are they going to do - go up the falls to casement?
They should put up big posters of the Queen on Croke Park's Turf and The Duke with a Hurley. Then not resct and let the British on the actual island called GB see the Loyalist scumbags for what they are.
Nolan must have all have East Belfast in tonight.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 16, 2013, 10:50:38 PM
Nolan must have all have East Belfast in tonight.
Its heating up nicely.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 16, 2013, 10:50:38 PM
Nolan must have all have East Belfast in tonight.
One hostile arena for Gerry in there.
Audience is not even.
This 'country' is fucked, the layalists will get even more violent as the Catholic population rises...
Chris donnelly from slugger o toole the best speaker of the night
This cringeworthy ............ But compulsive viewing. There are some twats on that show, on the Nationalist and Loyalist side.
Very worrying seeing people like that talk and the likes o fraser bryson etc having an audience >:(
Joe brolly not gonna get a look in tonight!!
What the bet joe cracks a joke about the union flag?????
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on January 16, 2013, 11:11:14 PM
Chris donnelly from slugger o toole the best speaker of the night
Wouldnt be hard sitting in an audience with Jamie and Jim.
So jeffrey when a flag is up it doesn't impinge on anyone's rights but when it's down it does.
Interesting.
The big doll has her hand up......
Fine bit of stuff from the Newtonards Rd. :-*
Quote from: theticklemister on January 16, 2013, 11:23:06 PM
The big doll has her hand up......
And as expected offers a valid and reasoned comment on the issue .....
Jeffrey the pied piper.
There's no shortage of food around the newtownards road anyway.
Yer one there would give the very best muck savage a run
Freak show
Hear the crowd roaring no surrender lol Brolly looked like he'd been pishing himself laughing backstage!
A GAA star in now for good measure! ;D
Quote from: hardstation on January 16, 2013, 11:24:14 PM
Where did they pull some of these hoors out off? Mother of sweet fcuk!
Fcuk me... :-\
Mindnumbingly depressing stuff from loyalism tonight. Paisleys oul "NEVER" will be ringing in their ears for generations to come
Quote from: theskull1 on January 16, 2013, 11:32:34 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 16, 2013, 11:24:14 PM
Where did they pull some of these hoors out off? Mother of sweet fcuk!
Fcuk me... :-\
Mindnumbingly depressing stuff from loyalism tonight. Paisleys oul "NEVER" will be ringing in their ears for generations to come
they have to be a minority surely, braindead bigots, with these f**kers around will there ever be peace? thought Gerry Kelly handled them well, they must have had half a brigade of uvf c***ts and there skags in, very unbalanced crowd. almost funny if it were not so serious.
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 16, 2013, 11:30:12 PM
Hear the crowd roaring no surrender lol Brolly looked like he'd been pishing himself laughing backstage!
From the ridiculous to the sublime there tonight. I would say Gerry was having words with tge producers afterwards about their rentamob.
' the young loyalist people don't need no education '. At least there was no road blocks tonight, as the wee f*@kers were all in the audience.
Quote from: charlieTully on January 16, 2013, 11:37:50 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on January 16, 2013, 11:32:34 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 16, 2013, 11:24:14 PM
Where did they pull some of these hoors out off? Mother of sweet fcuk!
Fcuk me... :-\
Mindnumbingly depressing stuff from loyalism tonight. Paisleys oul "NEVER" will be ringing in their ears for generations to come
they have to be a minority surely, braindead bigots, with these f**kers around will there ever be peace? thought Gerry Kelly handled them well, they must have had half a brigade of uvf c***ts and there skags in, very unbalanced crowd. almost funny if it were not so serious.
It's either laugh or cry. Unfortunately it's not funny..
Donaldson is an absolute moron too.
Jim wilson rather aggressive. Really feel for alliance. They've been very dignified through the whole thing too.
Be interesting to see how alliance do in the next elections?
Was comedy gold watching the brain dead, uneducated fools but a bit depressing to think there are people thinking like that.
Gerry was well fit for them.
Nolan show as shameful the nite, 85% of the crowd must been from east belfast, always knew country people where a different breed to city people but the bitterness on Tv the nite was hard to stomach. Before christmas i was happy enough in Northern Ireland with the economy so poor down south and didn't vote Sinn Fein. After 6 weeks of this crap and looking at that crap the nite, dont be suprsied to see a surge in the Sinn Fein vote with people who never voted for them voting in droves. I don't meet people like that in life, but then again i actually work. Some 20yr old giving out about the troubles when he wasn't even f**king born when they happened, go figure.
That was probably the first/last time I went out of my way to watch Nolan. I would listen to him now and again in the mornings but that was something else.
Firstly, not entirely sure about rentamob, I think people apply for tickets to be in the audience so obviously there'd be a whole load of sally rods in the crowd.
Secondly, despite the blatant imbalances, Loyalism had it's opportunity to articulate it's views, air it's grievances etc and what happened? A shouting match. They can't even engage in civilised debate. Their 'cause' is no further now than what it was at the start of December.
Thirdly, most Loyalists despise the DUP for being 'traitors' yet every thing Jeffrey said was met with rapturous applause. They are a confused bunch.
Oh and apparently there was sectarian abuse directed at members of the audience. Shock!
fcukin missed this. Is it repeated? Betcha Joe had good fun in the "green room"...!!
Any links for tonight's entertainment? The cinema was the wrong choice by the sound of things.
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I have wondered for years what Mrs Blobby looked like.
Belfast Telegraph @BelTel
In tomorrow's Belfast Telegraph: A change of tactics by flag protestors could see GAA matches and DUP offices picketed.
QuoteIn tomorrow's Belfast Telegraph: A change of tactics by flag protestors could see GAA matches and DUP offices picketed.
There's feck all GAA matches in January. Most local clubs in areas where they are easily intimidated have few games, although there is training and social events.
DUP offices might be easier to reach. But the DUP voted against the flag change!
Quote from: armaghniac on January 17, 2013, 12:48:05 AM
QuoteIn tomorrow's Belfast Telegraph: A change of tactics by flag protestors could see GAA matches and DUP offices picketed.
There's feck all GAA matches in January. Most local clubs in areas where they are easily intimidated have few games, although there is training and social events.
DUP offices might be easier to reach. But the DUP voted against the flag change!
Why do you bring foreign concepts such as logic and reason into it?
QuoteWhy do you bring foreign concepts such as logic and reason into it?
Probably I am foreign to these people!
Quote from: armaghniac on January 17, 2013, 12:48:05 AM
QuoteIn tomorrow's Belfast Telegraph: A change of tactics by flag protestors could see GAA matches and DUP offices picketed.
There's feck all GAA matches in January. Most local clubs in areas where they are easily intimidated have few games, although there is training and social events.
DUP offices might be easier to reach. But the DUP voted against the flag change!
If they picket our games hopefully, they will get the fcuk kicked out of them, who do these arrogant master race cnuts think they are????
Where are the loyalist apologists on here at this stage? what are their opinions on this subject matter?
Finally, where are the loyalist apologists on here now???
Quote from: All of a Sludden on January 17, 2013, 12:37:48 AM
Belfast Telegraph @BelTel
In tomorrow's Belfast Telegraph: A change of tactics by flag protestors could see GAA matches and DUP offices picketed.
Send up to a few donegal games; I heard they only attracted 200 last night.
The scary thing though is that this runt of people are actually getting so much airtime. In typical bully boy approach they try to shout their way to success and have no coherence in what they argue. I would love to see Bryson and his ilk actually engage in genuine debate rather than bomb scare politics. The ridiculous thing is they dont evem know what 'culture' is hence their plans to protest at 'themmuns' culture. Their whole sense of identity is based on a negative, 'whatever themmus are, we're nat!' Their lack of identity means that like all bullies they can only try to bully more. They lack political and social leaders yet blame peace for their problems. Dpnaldsons body language last night sums up what is wrong, refused tp look people straight in the face whem they spoke to him, refused to answer hatd questions and basically reaffirmed to me that the whole rationale behind this whole thing is party politics to oust Naomi Long
Depressing Stuff all round
Some crowd of knuckle draggers in the audience last night,lowest of the low.
Never seen so many tracksuits so obviously not used for their intended purpose.
If the flag was put back up all year do you think these guys would stop. I reckon they are enjoying themselves now.
Quote from: nifan on January 17, 2013, 09:00:59 AM
If the flag was put back up all year do you think these guys would stop. I reckon they are enjoying themselves now.
Flags are a joke issue on both sides, these ones that are so fond of their flag and putting them up on every street corner and lamp post only for it to be left there to get tattered and ripped to shreds by the weather. No respect for it at all.
Quote from: nifan on January 17, 2013, 09:00:59 AM
If the flag was put back up all year do you think these guys would stop. I reckon they are enjoying themselves now.
That's exactly what I was hoping they would ask that wee rodent Bryson. I very much doubt that would change anything.
Sure they throw petrol bombs and bricks with union jacks round their face to hide their identitiy. Respect is not a word these people have much of an understanding of.
Alliance have commited political suicide unfortunately.
The next set of elections will be very interesting. Unionism is in turmoil.
Christ help us if what we saw last night is indicative of the political leadership available to the people of the North. You know you're in trouble when Gerry Kelly is the voice of moderation, reason and compromise in any gathering.
Quote from: Hardy on January 17, 2013, 09:33:35 AM
Christ help us if what we saw last night is indicative of the political leadership available to the people of the North. You know you're in trouble when Gerry Kelly is the voice of moderation, reason and compromise in any gathering.
Hardy, like "military intelligence" that is a contradiction in terms. I missed this programme, sounds like a hoot.
For those of us in the twilight of our revolutionary career, this is depressingly familiar. We have been here before and no doubt we will be here again.
The positive thing here is that the numbers are so small. In the 70s there would have been a general strike and a few sectarian murders. However IMHO they are being given media coverage way beyond their influence. The showpiece march in Enniskillen last Friday attracted approx 60 "protesters". The only person here I have met who thinks the flag over the City Hall is a major issue is a Catholic businessman.
As to picketing GAA games, I would suspect they're not thinking of Casement or Corrigan Park, but I would worry for clubs like St Enda's, St Patrick's Lisburn or St Comgall's Antrim (and others) where intimidation and bully boy tactics would be easier to implement.
Please tell me this is on iplayer as seemed to have missed a ball.
What was Joseph Brolly on for?
Quote from: johnneycool on January 17, 2013, 10:01:01 AM
Please tell me this is on iplayer as seemed to have missed a ball.
What was Joseph Brolly on for?
I think he was on to talk about either the kidney donation or the gradual erosion of his Britishness
Quote from: johnneycool on January 17, 2013, 10:01:01 AM
Please tell me this is on iplayer as seemed to have missed a ball.
What was Joseph Brolly on for?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01pwdcf/The_Nolan_Show_Series_2_Episode_6/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01pwdcf/The_Nolan_Show_Series_2_Episode_6/)
By the way, I thought the BBC had some sort of charter requiring it to attempt to provide balance in audience-participation shows. What's the story there, does anybody know?
Quote from: Hardy on January 17, 2013, 09:33:35 AM
Christ help us if what we saw last night is indicative of the political leadership available to the people of the North. You know you're in trouble when Gerry Kelly is the voice of moderation, reason and compromise in any gathering.
Is he usually a sectarian bigot or something?
Quote from: Hardy on January 17, 2013, 10:14:29 AM
By the way, I thought the BBC had some sort of charter requiring it to attempt to provide balance in audience-participation shows. What's the story there, does anybody know?
Interesting point. I know for programmes like "Question Time" there is a requirement to have a "balanced" audience. QT was rapped over the knuckles for the audience make up after 9/11. From what I've read here it's clear most of the audience were unbalanced.
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Quote from: Hardy on January 17, 2013, 10:14:29 AM
By the way, I thought the BBC had some sort of charter requiring it to attempt to provide balance in audience-participation shows. What's the story there, does anybody know?
The Nolan Show may be different, but I have been part of a BBC NI audience for a pre-recorded show before. All I did was apply (free) for tickets on the website and they supposedly choose randomly who gets them. My assumption is that since this fiasco kicked off in December that a lot of Loyalists have been applying to be on the show thus the imbalanced crowd.
Quote from: Hardy on January 17, 2013, 10:14:29 AM
By the way, I thought the BBC had some sort of charter requiring it to attempt to provide balance in audience-participation shows. What's the story there, does anybody know?
I know as a Catholic, I would dream of attending as an audience member last night. They would have directed a load of sectarian abuse in my direction and no doubt that people living in interface areas of Belfast would have been too scared for their own safety.
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 17, 2013, 10:20:17 AM
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I seen her in all her films
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Quote from: Nally Stand on January 17, 2013, 10:20:17 AM
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I often wondered what became of Joe McNally.
Was comical and depressing at the same time last night. the sheer degree of hatred being spilled out by Bryson and his friends will never go away.
The political parties over here have always had their own views the Shinners and SDLP have never changed their views on what they want, a united Ireland. DUP and UUP to stay British. Alliance a shared future. So why do we have these numpties coming on complaining that one group seem to be getting more than others?
Its clear that she is playing a major part in the protests.....likely she is the soley responsible for blocking the traffic of an evening.
The working class loyalist might not have much but one thing they seem to have plenty of is cake. I now know how they can block the roads so easily - put a couple of those dolls in it and it would take a bulldozer to shift them. It cant be often Nolan isnt even in the top 10 fattest people in the room.
They have now blamed Alliance, SF, SDLP, DUP, UUP, PSNI, BBC, RTE, HET and now they seem to be moving on to the GAA.
Whose next BMW? HSBC? YMCA?
Unfortunately what was said last night and this morning was basically the same as pre-Christmas. Their argument (or lack of) hasnt moved on one bit. Jim Wilson shouting at Conal McDevitt to 'remember where you live' sums up their attitude
Quote from: No Soloing on January 17, 2013, 10:49:56 AM
They have now blamed Alliance, SF, SDLP, DUP, UUP, PSNI, BBC, RTE, HET and now they seem to be moving on to the GAA.
Whose next BMW? HSBC? YMCA?
BED?
(Look it up)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 17, 2013, 10:46:34 AM
Was comical and depressing at the same time last night. the sheer degree of hatred being spilled out by Bryson and his friends will never go away.
The political parties over here have always had their own views the Shinners and SDLP have never changed their views on what they want, a united Ireland. DUP and UUP to stay British. Alliance a shared future. So why do we have these numpties coming on complaining that one group seem to be getting more than others?
Simply because they don't want Equality.
They have been left behind in Education stakes and therefore employment opportunities.
Parades are now on the basis of discussion with local people - that doesnt suit.
Policing is now 'fairer' - they dont have the cops feeding them information on Catholic/nationalist targets.
Their own politicians deserted them, except at times when they need a baying rabble.
They dont know what their own culture is, one minute it is our wee country hate the english, next it is god save the queen and the jubilee.
They dont see a future for their kind, they know that eventually they will have to live with people who are not loyalist thugs and bullies, this for them is the death throws of their very existence.
Quote from: NAG1 on January 17, 2013, 10:56:50 AM
They dont know what their own culture is
A definition of what 'culture' is for a loyalist would be a start. Jim Wilson began at the very start about erosion of his culture. Then went immediately into Pat Finucane & Bloody Sunday inquiries and HET chasing Protestants*. If culture is about stopping inquiries and investigations then say so. Another cub was asked about it and his response was 'being British' - thats his culture summed up.
*hardly surprising since historically loyalists not only werent prosecuted, but were helped in carrying out attacks and had evidence destroyed by members of the security forces investigating them
Quote from: No Soloing on January 17, 2013, 11:14:05 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on January 17, 2013, 10:56:50 AM
They dont know what their own culture is
A definition of what 'culture' is for a loyalist would be a start. Jim Wilson began at the very start about erosion of his culture. Then went immediately into Pat Finucane & Bloody Sunday inquiries and HET chasing Protestants*. If culture is about stopping inquiries and investigations then say so. Another cub was asked about it and his response was 'being British' - thats his culture summed up.
*hardly surprising since historically loyalists not only werent prosecuted, but were helped in carrying out attacks and had evidence destroyed by members of the security forces investigating them
He'd nothing else to add to it, being British!! No follow up on it with, ok your British and that will never change ever, what else? Do you not see youself growing up happy with a family and a career and living in peace? Beyond me, totally beyond me. I hope the numbers for this rabble are small and I hope they fragment the unionist vote I live in an major Unionist area for votes, I never vote but I'll be tempted to be giving it to Alliance (won't make a matter I think)
Alliance will take a serious hit at the polls
Go out and vote MR2 and as many others as you can to go out and vote alliance to show that this does not work.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 17, 2013, 10:46:34 AM
Was comical and depressing at the same time last night. the sheer degree of hatred being spilled out by Bryson and his friends will never go away.
The political parties over here have always had their own views the Shinners and SDLP have never changed their views on what they want, a united Ireland. DUP and UUP to stay British. Alliance a shared future. So why do we have these numpties coming on complaining that one group seem to be getting more than others?
Other groups are getting more than them. They use to have everything and now they are losing it in simple terms.
QuoteGo out and vote MR2 and as many others as you can to go out and vote alliance to show that this does not work.
+1 especially in PR elections not voting is not reasonable.
Quote from: EC Unique on January 17, 2013, 12:27:22 PM
Go out and vote MR2 and as many others as you can to go out and vote alliance to show that this does not work.
Best advice yet. Don't sit on your backside complaining, vote Alliance.
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Quote from: ziggysego on January 17, 2013, 12:47:41 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on January 17, 2013, 12:27:22 PM
Go out and vote MR2 and as many others as you can to go out and vote alliance to show that this does not work.
Best advice yet. Don't sit on your backside complaining, vote Alliance.
Agreed - I've always said that the reason alliance don't get too many votes is because the people that don't vote are those that would actually vote for alliance - they don't vote bacause of our silly tribal politics - but get out there and vote our way out of tribal politics!
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 17, 2013, 02:22:56 PM
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Love the comment on screen below her - "The protests have to stop.
You need to wind your necks in"
Agreed. I haven't voted in a long time but I will be doing so from now on.
I would like to think Alliance won't be dead in the water after this.
I dont think Alliance will be dead in the water. The main voices we hear about Alliance making a huge mistake with the flags is coming from the protesters (hardly your typical Alliance voter) and the DUP (trying to make political gain). I dont think the typical middle class unionist is too vexed over the flags. If they are they are probably die-hard DUPers anyway. If Bryson or someone else like him stand they are as likely to take DUP votes as Alliance and I hope some people might vote Alliance instead of DUP next time round, as they have shown maturity throughout all this, rather than the backward tribal politics of DUP & UUP.
Alliance might lose E Belfast but that might come about anyway as the Iris affair was probably the main reason why Peter R lost last time round. The effect of it will have waned by now - though of course they would claim it was all down to the flag
Wilson wound me up no end, straight away he ranted about Bloody Sunday and the Finnucane enquiry. These inquiries were brought about in an attempt to bring about justice and wrong doers to account. How does this erode unionism?
IMHO the people on the show had not real clue what their gripe is, the real problem is that Nationalists are getting a fairer deal in NI and the Unionist simply don't like it.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on January 17, 2013, 10:04:28 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on January 17, 2013, 10:01:01 AM
Please tell me this is on iplayer as seemed to have missed a ball.
What was Joseph Brolly on for?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01pwdcf/The_Nolan_Show_Series_2_Episode_6/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01pwdcf/The_Nolan_Show_Series_2_Episode_6/)
Had a watch of that there now, interesting how they think, but not surprised in all fairness, there is still an unwillingness to accept that there is a very sizeable portion of Norn Iron who have no affiliation to Britain even if we are forced to pay our taxes to HMRC, but I suppose if you watched BBC NI and UTV you'd think organisations like the GAA were only for a very small minority.
Even David Forde tried to be as diplomatic as possible in explaining this on several occasions but it fell on deaf ears
Don't kid yourselves, Alliance may come out with all the liberal sharing talk, but scratch below the surface, they are ultimately unionist. I do think however that the puppet masters being the DUP started this over Naomi Long, and now the rabble have got the bit between their teeth and with the help of social networking have ran with it.
There's no point intellectualising about whats going on, the simple truth is that unionist dominance and subjugation of catholics is slowly but surely being met with equality, and thats what the problem is. Imagine in any other society, democracy and equality scaring people so much. And yet, this position is justified by so many. The likes of Stephen Nolan has the audacity to ask Gerry Kelly if he understood loyalist concerns, yet he hasn't once asked the question from any loyalist do they understand why the majority of Belfast citizens do not recognise the Union Jack as their flag? Thats right, majority.
The media, by reporting their sectarian, bigoted concerns, only serves to feed them. Why can't the media confront this farce with what it is, sectarianism. The riots in London were met with nothing but animosity from the British Media collectively, as a result, the police had it in control in a matter of days, even after the riots, arrests were made because of what people said on social networking sites that amounted to incitement of hatred, even though they only arranged to gather in a certain place in a certain time. Here, they have got full reign to spout 'ku klux klan' type rubbish everywhere and still be given the platform to air their grievances. Yes by letting them do that they show themselves up, but read their facebook site today, they thought they were brilliant, the danger is, that by having a mob with as low an intelligence quota, it can so easily be manipulated to do very dangerous things. Time to nip it and be like a normal society. Would the London met have let riots continue for 7 weeks, would the Garda? No - so why do we have to stick it?
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on January 17, 2013, 03:25:56 PM
Quote from: Aoise on January 17, 2013, 03:12:56 PM
Don't kid yourselves, Alliance may come out with all the liberal sharing talk, but scratch below the surface, they are ultimately unionist.
I don't think they promote themselves as otherwise. However the difference that I see is that Alliance's pov is that they are civic unionists and are open to the possibility of that party stance being changed in the future, whereas for the likes of the UUP and DUP their unionism is more engrained in historical, religious and cultural roots and in some nutjob cases ethnic as well.
+1
The party may have a Unionist slant, but there are many Nationalists who are members too.
I wondered that myself. It sounds like dissent among the ranks of the loyalist paramilitaries in the east whereas not in the west. I'm guessing Magherafeltt / Omagh haven't got too much of a presence and maybe not a factor there.
There is no point "intellectualising". These people haven't been asked what they want nor I suspect do they even know what they want. Apart from beating nationalists / catholics down. Sure they're peaceful protests don't you know.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on January 17, 2013, 03:54:01 PM
Just a thought - these protests/riots seem to be limited to certain loyalist areas. For example why does most activity appear in be in the eastern part of the city while the likes of the Shankill doesn't have a peep coming out of it? Why are there protests outside the city seem to be located in Magherafelt & Omagh (with a few other token areas in "Operation Standstill"), which aren't generally known for major sectarian tensions yet the likes of Lurgan/North Armagh and Coleraine are fairly quiet?
I suppose East Belfast is getting a lot of publicity as there's an obvious and easy interface area of the short strand on the walk home to attack in the name of Britain. Has the broadway roundabout been blocked recently?
Blocking roads in Newtownards, Bangor, Dundonald and the likes annoys more prods than anyone else, so there's no point.
Does anyone up North have any opinions on how this can be brought to an end? I can't see any mainstream Unionist politician daring to criticise the protestors, wrapped as they are in the mantle of the Ulster Covenant and the general strike, and the DUP certainly are not directing the protests - the genie is well out of the bottle. So where is the pressure for this to stop going to come from?
I think you have hit the nail on the head Fintona, plus the fact that the UDA got alot of money in recent years to be good little boys.
Quote from: deiseach on January 17, 2013, 04:27:36 PM
Does anyone up North have any opinions on how this can be brought to an end? I can't see any mainstream Unionist politician daring to criticise the protestors, wrapped as they are in the mantle of the Ulster Covenant and the general strike, and the DUP certainly are not directing the protests - the genie is well out of the bottle. So where is the pressure for this to stop going to come from?
There's only one way to bring it to an end (highlighted below). Getting Peter back into Naomi's seat in Belfast is an added bonus...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21061643
Loyalist paramilitary leaders in east Belfast have called for an end to violence.
They issued a statement on Thursday afternoon along with church leaders and community representatives.
They appealed for peace following weeks of violence after Belfast City Council voted to restrict the number of days the union flag flies over City Hall.
"The rioting does absolutely nothing to promote any cause, but is damaging this community," the statement said.
"We would add that those who come into the area to riot and cause disturbance are not welcome.
"There have been issues with the PSNI and their tactics, however, these have and continue to be raised and dealt with at the highest level."
The statement said that those who had signed it, had their "individual views about the current protests, but all the signatories support the right to peaceful legal protests".
"This plea is about stopping the pointless violence; fear and wanton destruction being caused by a few.
"We who live, work, or who have a vested interest in east Belfast may have our differences of opinions about many matters, but we are united in our determination to stop this community from suffering further."
Gary Mason from East Belfast Mission, where the meeting was held, said the decision had been a "community effort from a number of people across the board".
"The primary plea today is that we're asking that the violence within east Belfast comes to an end," he said.
"It's not serving this community, it's demoralising this community, it's creating unemployment, so the violence must stop and that's the key message we want to get out."
In relation to the protests, Mr Mason said: "People within a democracy have a right to protest, and at the moment there are no conversations ongoing in relation to that.
"I'm sure there will be other conversations in the future about protests, politics, about democracy and all of those things undoubtedly need to happen."
Earlier on Thursday the first minister and deputy first minister held talks with the secretary of state and the Irish foreign minister on the recent protests and violence over the union flag dispute.
Teresa Villiers said it was time for "political dialogue" to replace street protests in Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland Office (NIO) said Thursday's meeting, which lasted about two hours, had been arranged some time ago.
Discussions focussed not just on the flag protest, but on the need to address long-term issues, such as underlying sectarianism.
Theresa Villiers said Northern Ireland's leaders could find a resolution to the flag issue Ms Villiers said the British and Irish governments were there to support politicians in uniting communities.
She said Northern Ireland leaders could find a resolution to the flag issue.
Irish Foreign Minister Eamon Gilmore, who is also the deputy prime minister, described the meeting with the secretary of state and First Minister Peter Robinson and Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness as "positive and productive".
He said the worrying images of violence that had been broadcast around the world in recent weeks had the potential to undo progress, so a positive message was required in response.
Mr Gilmore said there had also been discussions on a new round of European peace funding for Northern Ireland. Ms Villiers visited east Belfast on Wednesday, and said the protests were counterproductive and had to stop.
The secretary of state, who met residents during her visit, described the recent violence as "intolerable".
She said it was vital that the loyalist protestors came off the streets so that a grown-up discussion could be held about how to resolve issues of identity, symbols and flags.
Loyalist street demonstrations have been taking place since Belfast City Council voted to limit the number of days the union flag is flown at Belfast City Hall.
The majority of the street demonstrations have passed without incident, but some have resulted in serious rioting.
Since the vote was passed on 3 December, 102 police officers have been injured and there have been 116 arrests
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on January 17, 2013, 03:54:01 PM
Just a thought - these protests/riots seem to be limited to certain loyalist areas. For example why does most activity appear in be in the eastern part of the city while the likes of the Shankill doesn't have a peep coming out of it? Why are there protests outside the city seem to be located in Magherafelt & Omagh (with a few other token areas in "Operation Standstill"), which aren't generally known for major sectarian tensions yet the likes of Lurgan/North Armagh and Coleraine are fairly quiet?
I'm not into the whole conspiracy theory thing up north like many are, but blocking the Shankill wouldn't affect many people beyond those that live on the Shankill. Closing off main arterial routes into Belfast from the east manages to poop on many more peoples' days.
In terms of a resolution, the quickest method normally involves someone finally getting killed and the public backlash sends them packing. I really hope it doesn't come to that.
A couple of days of proper snow would help properly.
Beyond that, the only methods I can think of either involve brute force (curfews and the army), or else giving the "community leaders" a pay-off of some description. Both, though, are only short term resolutions.
A propaganda campaign, whereby those in the east are educated/brainwashed to understand that they've only done well out of the GFA, and that they might just prosper if they want to in a shared society, is a longer term solution.
But it's fufcking horrible.
Quote from: take_yer_points on January 17, 2013, 04:34:21 PM
There's only one way to bring it to an end (highlighted below). Getting Peter back into Naomi's seat in Belfast is an added bonus...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21061643
Mr Gilmore said there had also been discussions on a new round of European peace funding for Northern Ireland.
Everything either side of the part you have highlighted is just waffle ;)
Quote from: deiseach on January 17, 2013, 04:38:32 PM
Quote from: take_yer_points on January 17, 2013, 04:34:21 PM
There's only one way to bring it to an end (highlighted below). Getting Peter back into Naomi's seat in Belfast is an added bonus...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21061643
Mr Gilmore said there had also been discussions on a new round of European peace funding for Northern Ireland.
Everything either side of the part you have highlighted is just waffle ;)
Sooner or later these peace funds for community groups or one sort or another will dry up and then what?
Quote from: johnneycool on January 17, 2013, 04:39:45 PM
Sooner or later these peace funds for community groups or one sort or another will dry up and then what?
There'll have to be another round of peaceful protests.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 17, 2013, 04:36:56 PM
A couple of days of proper snow would help properly.
Ah jaysus no, that would give them an extra type of weapon!
Quote from: Rois on January 17, 2013, 04:45:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 17, 2013, 04:36:56 PM
A couple of days of proper snow would help properly.
Ah jaysus no, that would give them an extra type of weapon!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbQZ8GK2usU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbQZ8GK2usU)
Ah jaysus no, that would give them an extra type of weapon!
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Would rather get hit with a snow ball than a petrol bomb/firework/pipe bomb/nuts & bolts/ golf ball!
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Quote from: take_yer_points on January 17, 2013, 04:34:21 PM
There's only one way to bring it to an end (highlighted below). Getting Peter back into Naomi's seat in Belfast is an added bonus...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21061643
Mr Gilmore said there had also been discussions on a new round of European peace funding for Northern Ireland.
Everything either side of the part you have highlighted is just waffle ;)
So Eamo had the solution all the time!! Throw in the bit about Teresa Villiers visiting East Belfast yesterday and also MMcG was in Short Strand...Jaysus, someone tell David Cameron not to pull out of the EU before the boys get their pay-off...
another good reason to be Irish
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/17/irish-hostage-algeria-freed
QuoteAn Irishman who was among a group of gas workers kidnapped in Algeria has been freed and is safe, Ireland's foreign ministry has said.
The 36-year-old married man from west Belfast made contact with his family at about 3pm. "He has been in touch with his family. We understand that he is safe and well. He is no longer a hostage," a ministry spokesman told Reuters.
Algerian forces launched an operation to free hostages held at a remote desert gas plant on Thursday. Details of the military operation have been difficult to confirm. Algeria's official APS news agency said the military had freed four foreign hostages; other sources said six foreign hostages had been killed and seven were still being held.
As many as 180 Algerian hostages have managed to flee, according to local sources.
The standoff began when gunmen calling themselves the Battalion of Blood stormed the In Amenas gas field on Wednesday morning. They said they were holding 41 foreigners and demanded a halt to a French military operation against fellow al-Qaida-linked Islamist militants in neighbouring Mali.
Quote from: AQMP on January 17, 2013, 10:19:29 AM
Quote from: Hardy on January 17, 2013, 10:14:29 AM
By the way, I thought the BBC had some sort of charter requiring it to attempt to provide balance in audience-participation shows. What's the story there, does anybody know?
Interesting point. I know for programmes like "Question Time" there is a requirement to have a "balanced" audience. QT was rapped over the knuckles for the audience make up after 9/11. From what I've read here it's clear most of the audience were unbalanced.
I thought the audience was fairly well balanced, tbh ... loyalist scum, tramps, gobshites and illiterate 'community' workers. Let's hope they don't display any brains and decide to utilise yer woman Jabba the Hun, cos she could block every road into east Belfast on her own
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on January 17, 2013, 04:54:47 PM
Ah jaysus no, that would give them an extra type of weapon!
Would rather get hit with a snow ball than a petrol bomb/firework/pipe bomb/nuts & bolts/ golf ball!
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I didn't say it would be instead of, I said "extra", i.e. additional!
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on January 17, 2013, 05:34:12 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 17, 2013, 04:36:56 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on January 17, 2013, 03:54:01 PM
Just a thought - these protests/riots seem to be limited to certain loyalist areas. For example why does most activity appear in be in the eastern part of the city while the likes of the Shankill doesn't have a peep coming out of it? Why are there protests outside the city seem to be located in Magherafelt & Omagh (with a few other token areas in "Operation Standstill"), which aren't generally known for major sectarian tensions yet the likes of Lurgan/North Armagh and Coleraine are fairly quiet?
I'm not into the whole conspiracy theory thing up north like many are, but blocking the Shankill wouldn't affect many people beyond those that live on the Shankill. Closing off main arterial routes into Belfast from the east manages to poop on many more peoples' days.
In terms of a resolution, the quickest method normally involves someone finally getting killed and the public backlash sends them packing. I really hope it doesn't come to that.
A couple of days of proper snow would help properly.
Beyond that, the only methods I can think of either involve brute force (curfews and the army), or else giving the "community leaders" a pay-off of some description. Both, though, are only short term resolutions.
A propaganda campaign, whereby those in the east are educated/brainwashed to understand that they've only done well out of the GFA, and that they might just prosper if they want to in a shared society, is a longer term solution.
But it's fufcking horrible.
OK, maybe the Shankhill wasn't the best example, but what about say Sandy Row? It's certainly close enough to the city centre to cause a fair bit of disruption but again there hasn't been much to note from there in the past month either.
Like yourself, I'm really not sure how this can all end peacefully without blood being shed.
Edit: BTW Where's Willie Frazer disappeared to? Haven't heard a peep from him in the last few days.
Apparently the "powers that be" made him an offer he couldn't refuse...
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on January 17, 2013, 05:34:12 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 17, 2013, 04:36:56 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on January 17, 2013, 03:54:01 PM
Just a thought - these protests/riots seem to be limited to certain loyalist areas. For example why does most activity appear in be in the eastern part of the city while the likes of the Shankill doesn't have a peep coming out of it? Why are there protests outside the city seem to be located in Magherafelt & Omagh (with a few other token areas in "Operation Standstill"), which aren't generally known for major sectarian tensions yet the likes of Lurgan/North Armagh and Coleraine are fairly quiet?
I'm not into the whole conspiracy theory thing up north like many are, but blocking the Shankill wouldn't affect many people beyond those that live on the Shankill. Closing off main arterial routes into Belfast from the east manages to poop on many more peoples' days.
In terms of a resolution, the quickest method normally involves someone finally getting killed and the public backlash sends them packing. I really hope it doesn't come to that.
A couple of days of proper snow would help properly.
Beyond that, the only methods I can think of either involve brute force (curfews and the army), or else giving the "community leaders" a pay-off of some description. Both, though, are only short term resolutions.
A propaganda campaign, whereby those in the east are educated/brainwashed to understand that they've only done well out of the GFA, and that they might just prosper if they want to in a shared society, is a longer term solution.
But it's fufcking horrible.
OK, maybe the Shankhill wasn't the best example, but what about say Sandy Row? It's certainly close enough to the city centre to cause a fair bit of disruption but again there hasn't been much to note from there in the past month either.
Like yourself, I'm really not sure how this can all end peacefully without blood being shed.
Edit: BTW Where's Willie Frazer disappeared to? Haven't heard a peep from him in the last few days.
our wullie was down on saturday but matthews' uvf thugs told him to sling his hook. they can't have wullie messing up their upcoming sludge fund. he is back in Whitecross now riding a sheep.
Quotehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21061643
Loyalist paramilitary leaders in east Belfast have called for an end to violence.
They issued a statement on Thursday afternoon along with church leaders and community representatives.
They appealed for peace following weeks of violence after Belfast City Council voted to restrict the number of days the union flag flies over City Hall.
"The rioting does absolutely nothing to promote any cause, but is damaging this community," the statement said.
Surely, if these Loyalist paramilitary leaders manage to pull off peace in these troubled times, they must be serious candidates for the Nobel peace prize?
The UDA, and Jackie McDonald in particular, are getting looked after well with the "community/peace" money so that's why they are playing nice.
I think this thread has the potential to take over the Derrytresk/Dromaird Pearses thread.............................. come on people; we can do it!!!!!
Quote from: red hander on January 17, 2013, 05:32:34 PM
Quote from: AQMP on January 17, 2013, 10:19:29 AM
Quote from: Hardy on January 17, 2013, 10:14:29 AM
By the way, I thought the BBC had some sort of charter requiring it to attempt to provide balance in audience-participation shows. What's the story there, does anybody know?
Interesting point. I know for programmes like "Question Time" there is a requirement to have a "balanced" audience. QT was rapped over the knuckles for the audience make up after 9/11. From what I've read here it's clear most of the audience were unbalanced.
I thought the audience was fairly well balanced, tbh ... loyalist scum, tramps, gobshites and illiterate 'community' workers. Let's hope they don't display any brains and decide to utilise yer woman Jabba the Hun, cos she could block every road into east Belfast on her own
:) VG
Nolan show was funny as f**k, I thought Nolan looked like he was shitting himself. The danger is that the lack of balance of last night's show could give the impression of a groundswell of support (an arab spring in East Belfast :P) when really a few thousand scumbags are holding the place to ransom. There is no way out of this- bar bribes.
Dont know if it was touched upon last night or it was some other NI politics show, but I think SF missed out bigstyle by not playing ball in Limavady, if they'd agreed to re?-instate the designated days for the UJ instead of a blanket no UJ flag policy it would have ramped up the pressure on Unionism / Loyalism bigtime. I used to always say Unionists were ok to deal with in areas where they didn't hold the whip hand and there was no talking to them where they did, I'm afraid the Shinners are heading that direction - if they haven't already got there.
Quote from: theticklemister on January 17, 2013, 07:42:42 PM
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Will Jabba the Hut's words of violence entice more thuggery than Declan O'Sullivans 2-foot extended swipe at a Derrytresk player...................
Quote from: bennydorano on January 17, 2013, 08:18:21 PM
Quote from: red hander on January 17, 2013, 05:32:34 PM
Quote from: AQMP on January 17, 2013, 10:19:29 AM
Quote from: Hardy on January 17, 2013, 10:14:29 AM
By the way, I thought the BBC had some sort of charter requiring it to attempt to provide balance in audience-participation shows. What's the story there, does anybody know?
Interesting point. I know for programmes like "Question Time" there is a requirement to have a "balanced" audience. QT was rapped over the knuckles for the audience make up after 9/11. From what I've read here it's clear most of the audience were unbalanced.
I thought the audience was fairly well balanced, tbh ... loyalist scum, tramps, gobshites and illiterate 'community' workers. Let's hope they don't display any brains and decide to utilise yer woman Jabba the Hun, cos she could block every road into east Belfast on her own
:) VG
Nolan show was funny as f**k, I thought Nolan looked like he was shitting himself. The danger is that the lack of balance of last night's show could give the impression of a groundswell of support (an arab spring in East Belfast :P) when really a few thousand scumbags are holding the place to ransom. There is no way out of this- bar bribes.
Dont know if it was touched upon last night or it was some other NI politics show, but I think SF missed out bigstyle by not playing ball in Limavady, if they'd agreed to re?-instate the designated days for the UJ instead of a blanket no UJ flag policy it would have ramped up the pressure on Unionism / Loyalism bigtime. I used to always say Unionists were ok to deal with in areas where they didn't hold the whip hand and there was no talking to them where they did, I'm afraid the Shinners are heading that direction - if they haven't already got there.
Can only assume SF were sticking to their policy in Limaady ie both flags or no flags, which is fair enough IMO. Limavady has enough Union flags most of the year anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pcUIGwU6f4
This fella has no idea what he's talking about.
Watching the Nolan show now, the BBC fall further into the mire that they have got themselves into this year.
The BBC continues to lose their credibility on the World Stage.
And EvilGenius whose arse you have licked on many occasions is tarred with exactly the same brush
Quote from: fingerbob on January 17, 2013, 10:18:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pcUIGwU6f4
This fella has no idea what he's talking about.
;D
Class....
Quote from: fingerbob on January 17, 2013, 10:18:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pcUIGwU6f4
This fella has no idea what he's talking about.
;D Brilliant
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on January 17, 2013, 12:14:31 AM
If your woman on the Nolan show from the Newtownards Road is typical of "PUL" women in the area, then it's not just the Union Jack at City Hall that the loyalist lads in East Belfast have trouble getting up more than 14 times a year...
No wonder the birth rate is falling in the East of the City.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/oct/10/northernireland.comment
Northern Ireland's recent riots are a sign of irreversible decline within the Protestant working classes
Stephen Howe Monday October 10, 2005 The Guardian
The murder last week of the former Ulster Defence Association "brigadier" Jim Gray is the latest symptom of militant loyalism's desperate malaise. It is the most recent in a horrifying sequence of killings arising from multi-dimensional feuds and rivalries, and comes on top of riots and paramilitary assaults. The mayhem that swept Northern Ireland in the second week of September was the worst for many years.
The events involved, almost exclusively, working-class loyalists battling the police
and army. It was hardly the first time that "loyal" organisations had been in violent confrontation with the state. But the depth of hatred and alienation on display still strikes many observers as unprecedented. Much media and political comment has explained it in terms of bigotry and criminality, of archaism and atavism. Defensive unionist politicians speak of Protestant disillusion, even desperation, at a peace process they think has favoured Catholics. None of those labels is entirely wrong. Yet what lies behind the events of recent days engages the whole nature of Britishness in Ireland and beyond, and the very ideas of identity and community, modernity and tradition. And the songs loyalists sing, the pictures they paint, even the tattoos they wear, tell us a lot about what is going on and what might happen next. The riots are part of what happens when the decay of one modern culture - the northern Irish variant of urban, working-class Britishness - clashes with the rise of a globalised popular culture. What formed in Belfast and other northern Irish urban centres in the course of 19th-century industrialisation was a variety of Britishness, not only in its stridently proclaimed nationality claims, but in the texture of everyday life. Belfast, its youth and its working class had a great deal in common with similar cities "across the water". Many of its characteristics were shared with English, Scots and Welsh industrial centres. It was intensely localised, with social networks and loyalties focused on small, usually densely inhabited urban neighbourhoods.
It was often seen as an anti-educational culture: even more so than was the norm for English or Scottish working-class communities reliant on heavy industry, where the expected post-school route was not social mobility via education but a secure position within the community through apprenticeship in a skilled manual trade. It has been a profoundly masculinist culture, in ways that decades of violence could only reinforce. Both the partial ending of paramilitary violence (which threatens to deprive "hard men" of their raison d'etre and aggressive youths of their role models) and the precipitous decline in industrial employment must intensify the crisis of masculinity that commentators identify as a more general post-industrial phenomenon. In the later years of the "Troubles" there were signs of hope in those communities. Crucially, some influential ex-gunmen came to feel that they had been manipulated by unionist politicians who had incited their violence, then indignantly disclaimed it. Perhaps that realisation came too late. Working-class loyalist communities are in a probably irreversible retreat. Paramilitary warlords and drug barons fight over the ruins.
Deindustrialisation, demographic decline, the tendency of the more enterprising or successful to move out, low rates of educational achievement and very high ones of family breakdown, domestic violence, drug and alcohol abuse - all these are features that the poorer Protestant districts of Belfast, Portadown or Ballymoney share with those of Liverpool and Glasgow.
Yet these are crises also of collective identity. Irish Catholic identity seems more stable, secure and all-embracing than that of loyalists, while affluent Protestants can more readily assimilate to contemporary Britishness.
On the Shankill and Sandy Row, in Portadown and Carrickfergus, in the bleak housing estates where grievance festers and violence rarely hides far beneath the surface, the cultural response has been a kind of pastiche. The worlds of paramilitarism and pop culture mingle. Songs, murals, dress adopt fragments from the whole gamut of Atlantic entertainment industries - but most startlingly from black American forms. Politically, loyalist paramilitaries and their political spokesmen adopt scraps of everything from an "old Labour" brand of social democracy to neo-nazism. Political Protestantism is no longer a sustaining force. But nor, increasingly, is Britishness. Indeed, Ulster loyalism seems doomed to imprisonment by a terminally declining form of Britishness.
What remains will inevitably seemincreasingly negative. Loyalism is a culture ambivalent about Irishness. Yet, whatever else loyalism is, it is distinctively an Irish culture, one that grew only on the island of Ireland, with off-shoots in Scotland and Canada.
The essential cultural difference between loyalism and its foes is indeed that while Republicans conceive of themselves as having an inherited, densely woven tradition, loyalists have to make it up as they go along. These are the fragments they shore up against their ruins.
• Stephen Howe is professor of history and cultures of colonialism at the University of Bristol. This piece was first published at greater length on www.opendemocracy.org
and what a culture it is too
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBiTDLpTUxY
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 17, 2013, 10:52:31 PM
Watching the Nolan show now, the BBC fall further into the mire that they have got themselves into this year.
I thought Conall McDevitt came across a bit condescending and preachy which I was surprised at as he's normally pretty controlled.
Stevie was indeed togging himself as he tried to control the mob, just in case it got out of hand.
Who was the lad in the suit near the end who said something, got a bit of heckling and then gave out about the mob trying to shout him down?
Quote from: johnneycool on January 18, 2013, 11:11:48 AM
Who was the lad in the suit near the end who said something, got a bit of heckling and then gave out about the mob trying to shout him down?
Gerry Lynch, Alliance backroom man. Saw the light recently and wrote this on Slugger O'Toole last weekend.
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48, 48, and 48 – those are the nightmare numbers for Unionism. Not necessarily for the Union, but for Unionism the political ideology as we have understood it for the past century or so. In the 2011 Assembly election, only 48% of the population voted for Unionist candidates, interpreting that term as generously as possible. In the 2011 Census, only 48% of the population were classifiable as 'Protestant' by community background, even given the statisticians' remit of allocating the non-religious to their community of origin by any means possible. And in the same census, just 48% of the population identified itself as British in any way, even when given the opportunity to mix their Britishness with either or both of Irish and Northern Irish identities.
All three of those figures are set to decrease in the years to come. To put it as bluntly as possible, the Protestant population tends to be older and the Catholic and non-classifiable populations tend to be younger. Short of convincing the Unionist population to 'breed for victory', committing ethnic cleansing on a Rwandan scale or convincing Catholics and liberal Protestants to vote Unionist for the first time, there isn't much Unionism can do about this. Option 1 is unlikely to prove popular, Option 2 is (I hope) off the cards and as for Option 3 – how credible, if they are being honest with themselves, do Unionists think Peter Robinson's 'hug a Catholic' Party Conference speech looks in the cold light of six weeks of flag riots?
Unionism is going to have to come to terms with the fact that it now has minority status in Northern Ireland, the largest minority in a region of political and religious minorities. Yet the most senior DUP politicians are still attempting to hoodwink the party's base into thinking that a return to majority Unionism is possible. Both Nigel Dodds on BBC NI's The View and Peter Robinson in an interview with the Belfast Telegraph's Liam Clarke claimed this week that better voter registration and higher turnout was the only way to get the Union Flag on the City Hall every day of the year.
I would like to think that Robinson and Dodds are both smart enough to know this is delusional. In the 2011 Belfast City Council elections the Unionist vote was only 36%. Thanks to the boundary changes to the City, which take the particular and peculiar form they do because Peter Robinson was determined to preserve his legacy in Castlereagh, a further percentage point, at least, will be shaved off that figure next time. Dunmurry Cross voted 82% Nationalist in 2011, for example, and the most strongly Unionist bits are staying in Lisburn.
Gilnahirk/Tullycarnet, Belvoir and the bits of Castlereagh within the ring road won't balance that out, especially when they contain two Alliance fortress heartlands, Wynchurch and Gilnahirk, and pockets of decent SDLP support.
Demographic changes will probably knock a further 1-2% off that figure. So Unionism starts the campaign for the slightly enlarged new Belfast City Council from a base of 33-34%. Even if we indulge for a moment the fantasy that there will be heroic voter registration efforts, epic Unionist turnout and a collapse of the Alliance vote, there is simply no way that Unionists will gain a majority of seats in Belfast at the next election.
And in any case, as any smart West Belfast Sinn Féin backroom boy could tell Unionists, those who are difficult to register are also difficult to get out come polling day. Registered non-voters are mainly utterly disaffected with the shambles that is Northern Ireland party politics – ask the SDLP and Sinn Féin activists who spent years obsessing about long term non-voters in West Belfast before the 1997 General Election. And the Alliance vote isn't going to collapse – 12.6% in 2011 was a high water mark for the yellow peril in Belfast recently, but other than the 2001 and 2005 elections where Alliance was squeezed almost to oblivion across NI, the absolute floor of Alliance support in the City is over 9%. Much of that 12.6% is anything but 'soft unionist' – of course some of it is, but some of it while definitely pro-Union is equally anti-Unionist identity politics, and some of it is decidedly pale green, especially in North and South Belfast.
Indeed, the only serious question about political control of Belfast City Council is whether or not Nationalists can take outright control of the City or whether Alliance retains the balance of power. Nationalists have a great chance of gaining an outright majority in Belfast, ironically aided by Peter Robinson's obsession with keeping Castlereagh intact. Had Dundonald and the Four Winds/Glencregagh/Cairnshill area come into the city, as logic would have dictated, Nationalist control of Belfast would have been delayed for decades. Instead, those areas were lumped in with Lisburn. Ironically, Unionism's only hope of retaining some measure of influence in the City is dependent on it failing to "Smash the Alliance Party" as promised.
Welcome to the Northern Ireland that won't vote itself out of the Union but won't give Unionism majority support. It is not difficult to envisage a scenario in 10-15 years time where, as is already the case in Belfast, not only does Alliance hold the balance of power in the Assembly, but Nationalists outnumber Unionists. I was surprised Unionism held on to an overall Assembly majority in 2011, but at least two UUP seats, one in Upper Bann and one in South Down, remain extremely vulnerbale to Nationalists and demographics are shifting. Any reduction to 5 seats per constituency will simply end Unionism's majority status in the Assembly overnight – UUP MLAs were 'last man in' in a lot of places and Mike Nesbitt's party will be slaughtered if there is a reduction in the number of Assembly seats.
Responsible leadership would involve talking to people honestly about the implications of all this. Trimble may have secured the Union for the foreseeable future in 1998, but he did not, nor could he, secure the nature of what Northern Ireland would look like within that Union. The DUP did not alter that reality one jot at St. Andrews. Nor could they.
The Union is now dependent on 'pro-Union Catholics' and detribalised liberals from Protestant backgrounds. Neither of those groups tends to be impressed by 'Loyalist culture'. Peter Robinson's fantasy of 'pro-Union Catholics' seems to imply they are terribly Vatikantreu religious conservatives, itching to support DUP policies on abortion and homosexuality, and falling over themselves to sing 'God Save The Queen' at Remembrance Day events. In reality, they tend to be young, secular, probably support Celtic and the Republic of Ireland football team, are hostile to and feel threatened by expressions of Loyalism, and don't feel British – however happy they are for the Brits to keep paying the bills for this economic basket case, especially if they get the NHS and the BBC thrown in as a 'swappable'. Rory McIlroy may wave an Ulster Flag when he wins a golf tournament, and young Nationalists may in growing numbers belt out 'Stand Up For The Ulstermen' at Ravenhill, but none of them will be cheering on processions on the Twelfth. If they haven't managed to escape to Burtonport or Gümbet, they'll be sitting at home fuming on Facebook about why they live in an 18th Century political sewer. So will a large and growing section of the PUL community. And so will pretty much all migrants from Great Britain – no matter how flag-waving and nationalistic they may be by the standards of Esher or Doncaster.
This is the problem for Unionism – its central political aim is only deliverable with the support of people who mainly revile its central cultural aims. Unionism, for long copperfastened by an impregnable electoral majority, simply doesn't understand how to do politics as a minority. For a century, success in Unionist politics has been about not being labelled as a Lundy. Now it needs to build coalitions, electorally or otherwise, with people who would wear the Lundy badge with pride. It has not made a good start to this. Its handling of the flag issue has been particularly inept.
The flying of the Union Flag on designated days – including, this week, Kate Middleton's birthday – should have been a stinging defeat for Republicanism in Belfast. This is a city where Nationalists could well be on the verge of outright control. Nationalism's representatives, however, including a load of ex-Ra men, agreed to fly the Butcher's Apron according to Betty Windsor's rules, because the reality is that NI remains part of the UK for the foreseeable. Smart Unionism would have characterised this as Belfast Republicanism running up the white flag of surrender.
But Unionism doesn't have smart leadership. So they spun what could have been sold, more honestly, as a triumph of the outnumbered Men of Gideon into a stinging defeat. This mainly because the DUP wanted East Belfast back, the UVF wanted the Historical Enquiries Team off its back, and the UUP isn't going to stick its neck out in that context, is it?
At one time, such a neo-Redmondite view of NI would have caused outrage and vitriolic denunciations from Nationalists. Ironically, the flags debate has made Nationalism, as obsessed with the culture wars as Unionism, relaxed about the defeat, for at least a generation and a half, of its central political aim. I mean, United Ireland? Off the cards for a generation or two, isn't it? I'll see your Census figures (20% stating only Northern Irish, disproportionately from Catholic backgrounds) and raise you Rory McIlroy and his Ulster Flag and all those very Catholic but not especially Nationalist Alliance voters and non-voters in places like Bangor and Carrick.
And yet, Nationalists don't care because they get to assume the political posture that always gives them most pleasure – looking down their noses at just how bloody stupid the Prods are! And, boy, are Nationalists laughing at the Prods just at the moment! Especially away from Greater Belfast, where in a lot of rural Catholic areas, Unionist politicians and Loyalist culture barely register as existing and roads are not being blocked, Nationalists are sitting back and having fun. In the moment when Northern Nationalism's ultimate defeat should be being revealed – they're too busy laughing at Unionists to care.
All those people in places like Carrickmore and Pomeroy – and I bet when the full internals come out, we'll see they tend to be young and well-educated – ticking the Northern Irish box. Even I, shameless neo-Redmondite that I am, didn't see that coming and I should have. The Northern Ireland of 2013 is a very different entity than either traditional Nationalism or traditional Unionism wanted to believe. And there is no reason to think it will vote itself out of the UK for 50 years at least.
And, yet, I wonder if Unionism, in squandering political capital on unwinnable cultural battles, is capable of marching itself into a United Ireland? I never believed it could possibly come in my lifetime. Now, even as the smallest n of nationalists, I don't think its impossible that if I outlive my reasonable life expectancy as a fat pipe-smoker who likes a drink, I might see a United Ireland before I shuffle off this mortal coil. I don't think it's likely to happen, but it isn't impossible. Unionism really is that ineptly led, and who knows what changes a rapidly changing global scene, as well as the consequences of the most rapid burst of immigration since the Vikings, might have on both the UK and the Republic.
Loyalists are rioting because a bunch of Shinners voted for the Union Jack to fly over the City Hall according to the British Crown's recommendations! Any political or cultural group so incapable of telling the difference between victory and defeat is capable of losing everything, even when there's no reason for it to.
Unionism has a shrinking 48% of the vote locked up for the Union. There are more than enough votes for the Union among the other 52% of the population that it is secure – for the time being. That 52% is growing, however. Is Unionism alienating votes for a future border poll among that ever rising majority?
It certainly has alienated me, over almost a year of unbridled tribalism and sectarianism. We had the disgraceful decision at Girdwood that condemns my neighbours in the New Lodge to a further generation of overcrowding and marginality. We had a disgraceful display of sectarianism outside my local Roman Catholic Church, which would not be tolerated outside St. Bernard's in Lingfield, where my partner lives. We had the local MP act as an apologist for that sectarianism; in the unlikely event that Sam Gyimah pulled a stunt like that, he would lose one of the safest Tory seats in the Home Counties in a trice. We then had a McCarthyite campaign against a pro-Union political party, because it isn't culturally pure enough for Unionism.
When this campaign stirred the mob into violent attacks against property and people, a senior cabinet Minister said the Alliance Party was itself to blame. His career would be over, in Westminster, Leinster House, Holyrood or Cardiff Bay, but in Stormont, this isn't a serious issue. The British Prime Minister and Cabinet have failed to respond as a major British regional metropolis has been paralysed, where minority communities (like the Short Strand) and minority political representatives (like the Bowers in Bangor) have been physically attacked, where politically motivated murder has been attempted on police officers and where public property has been destroyed.
People in favour of the Union continually try to point its rights and advantages to me. I can obviously see the money angle, but right now that isn't paying me enough to live in a peripheral political sewer where the national government clearly doesn't care if the mob takes over the streets of my city. I respect your Britishness, and any state I would wish to live in will cherish and support it as a legitimate part of the Irish nation, but I can't buy into it. As far as I can see, the main 'advantages' of living in a larger United Kingdom are involvement in pointless foreign wars and an economy skewed towards the City of London. Meanwhile, I don't get the 'rights' of being British like being able to have my marriage recognised by the state or not having my local Roman Parish Church (from which I converted quite happily 16 years ago) treated as an enemy football mascot instead of a place dedicated to the worship of Jesus Christ. If that it is what it means to live in the United Kingdom, you can stick it where the sun don't shine.
Sorry to be so blunt, but I want out of the United Kingdom as quickly as possible. I know it's lovely when you have a decent income in London or Surrey. I have spent and continue to spend an enormous part of my adult life there. But if Unionism means anything it means that Belfast is as British as Finchley. And frankly, on that score, Britishness #epicfails.
Many people I respect will disagree with me, and I mean no disrespect to them or their country – I realise that real existierender Britishness falls well short of what many Britishers would like it to be. I rejoice as much as anyone at what it is and means for Mo Farah to carry the Union Flag as he celebrates Olympic Gold, when English Cricketers stuff the arrogant Aussies and, by God, I fall to my knees in honour of what it meant for my partner to fight frightened skirmishes with the Japanese in Burma as a young man and sleep standing up exhausted against a tree, night after night. I have no wish to disrespect the flag he fought for as he himself fought death from malaria and dysentery on a Bangladeshi beach in 1943. There is a best of British – from Rolls-Royce jet engines to The Italian Job. As an Irishman of nationalist and anti-monarchist instincts, neither I nor my views have been treated with anything less than respect and willingness to understand in the deepest Home Counties Shires. Sadly, that is not what I get in Belfast. There is a worst of British and it is right on my doorstep.
So, when the inevitable border poll inevitably comes, I will be voting for a United Ireland. Of course, it won't be an actually united Ireland, and it will have new stupidities foisted on it by Gombeen men, but could it really be any worse than this? If Unionism loses any prospect of me voting for the Union, as someone who loves not only the BBC and the NHS, but the Church of England and long shadows on Cricket greens, indomitable suburbs and inner-city multicultural Britain, Vaughan-Williams and Asian Dub Foundation, then people who believe in the Union really need to ask themselves about the quality of leadership they're getting.
Happened to be in the car last night heading to club, Ulster radio on and they had two UDA men on talking, they lashed into Bryson and the rest and said that they are not the voice of East Belfast or anywhere else. Said that this internet highwayman was not around when things were tough and has crawled from under his bed after the 'fighting' was done and is using social media as a way of being heard.
He said that the UDA needs to align itself with a party of sorts and he's always been a DUP supporter, he said that the Shinners have led them a merry dance once again and we have fallen for it everytime!! The lads on the street are being pushed in this direction and he said it will eventually die down. He is in favour of the protest but no riots as it's the effect it's having on local resindents is disastrous.
The interview went on and was very frank, the frustration coming from these two guys was that they (UDA) don't have the intelligence in mass numbers to articulate the workingclass loyalists views. As mentioned here before they had someone who could do it but he died and they have lost a serious intelligent voice who for most parts was easy to listen to.
What was on TV the other night will not impact too badly on Alliance I hope it will at the start but after they are in and make a pigs ear of it they won't get another go at it.
There always seems to be a reticence by the media to call the UDA, UVF etc as British Terrorists. Yet they use Irish Terrorists quite often.
I presume the UDA and UVF aren't banned organisations as it seems to be quite acceptable to be openly members of said organisations!
Quote from: johnneycool on January 18, 2013, 01:25:22 PM
I presume the UDA and UVF aren't banned organisations as it seems to be quite acceptable to be openly members of said organisations!
They were clear in declaring what organisation they were involved with and who they represented.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on January 17, 2013, 11:18:15 PM
And EvilGenius whose arse you have licked on many occasions is tarred with exactly the same brush
The reticence of EG and others of a unionist persuasion to comment on this thread would lead one to assume they may be supportive of the antics of the East Belfast :-\ :-\ :-\
QuoteAnd yet, Nationalists don't care because they get to assume the political posture that always gives them most pleasure – looking down their noses at just how bloody stupid the Prods are!
As noted earlier, this thread could run and run.
QuoteThe reticence of EG and others of a unionist persuasion to comment on this thread would lead one to assume they may be supportive of the antics of the East Belfast
Or it could mean that they realise that the antics of the protesters could not supported by any right thinking person.
They are rather slow to say so though ???
The bould EG can be rather free flowing commenting on many other subjects especially the motes in the eyes of those of a Nationalist outlook :D :
What is your obsession with evil genius. Here is his opinion if you really need it...
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=22485.msg1179827#msg1179827
There appears to be some doubt over the 365 day thing in the past in any case e.g. in 1964
(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4060/4541484538_30b0e48883_o.jpg)
All quiet tonight? Snow surrender!!!
Protest in north belfast... Not sure the south belfast ones survived.
Ian Paisley called the catholic church the false church. This coming from a man who make up his own church,and all believe the earth is 6000yrs old lol. Maybe they forget the only reason protestants came about was because a certain King of England wanted to get his end away, and formed his own church to get round it,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oJlJDpra7k
(somebody let me know how i form a link on here, its doesnt seem to paste across properly0
From the 1950s:
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Quote from: Rossfan on January 18, 2013, 03:40:56 PM
They are rather slow to say so though ???
The bould EG can be rather free flowing commenting on many other subjects especially the motes in the eyes of those of a Nationalist outlook :D :
He used to say something similar when there was no rush to condemn the latest Dissident Republican attack. I remember saying to him to assume the vast majority didnt agree as the default position.
Protest at Sandy Row this eve, about 12 people, unlike last Fri when there were 40 or more
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2013, 05:43:46 PM
What is your obsession with evil genius. Here is his opinion if you really need it...
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=22485.msg1179827#msg1179827
You found your way around pretty quickly.
Quote from: Fear Boirche on January 18, 2013, 09:28:12 PM
From the 1950s:
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I don't think BCH is a government building?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 18, 2013, 08:47:42 PM
Ian Paisley called the catholic church the false church. This coming from a man who make up his own church,and all believe the earth is 6000yrs old lol. Maybe they forget the only reason protestants came about was because a certain King of England wanted to get his end away, and formed his own church to get round it,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oJlJDpra7k
(somebody let me know how i form a link on here, its doesnt seem to paste across properly0
Paisley is just re-hashing old bile.
Here (http://www.historyireland.com/volumes/volume8/issue3/features/?id=239 (http://www.historyireland.com/volumes/volume8/issue3/features/?id=239)) is a profile of Edward Nangle, a Protestant proselytiser form Navan who spouted almost identical rants during the famine on Achill Island.
On the famine:
QuoteSpecifically Nangle believed the famine happened because the British government had sponsored and supported the Catholic seminary at Maynooth: 'It [the endowment of Maynooth] is done, and in that very year, that very month, the land is smitten, the earth is blighted, famine begins, and is followed by plague, pestilence, blood!'
For balance the local Catholic Priest was no shrinking violet either:
Quote'Have nothing to do with these heretics—curse them, hoot at them, spit in their faces—cut the sign of the cross in the air when you meet them, as you would against devils—throw stones at them—pitch them, when you have opportunity, into the bog holes—nay more than that, do injury to yourselves in order to injure them—don't work for them, though they pay in ready money—nay, don't take any medicine from their heretic doctor [Neason Adams], rather die first'
Ha its a bit like a retired priest round our way. Back when Duncan Ferguson headbutted / attempted headbutt on a Celtic support in a wheelchair. I was in the shop one day quietly chatting and during the conversation, Ferguson was in trouble in the paper, and he said "He aint a good one, sure didnt he assault a Celtic supporter in a wheelchair, he deserves all he gets" Went up the road laughing like hell that a priest would said that, love your neighbour went out the window, when it concerned Celtic and Rangers lol
I wonder did the flag ever fly all year on the city hall?
(http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=237026&stc=1&d=1358557678)
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2013, 05:43:46 PM
What is your obsession with evil genius. Here is his opinion if you really need it...
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=22485.msg1179827#msg1179827
You haven't been on here very long, have you?
Quote from: gallsman on January 18, 2013, 11:36:44 PM
I don't think BCH is a government building?
It is. Local government is still government.
Quote from: red hander on January 19, 2013, 06:01:11 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2013, 05:43:46 PM
What is your obsession with evil genius. Here is his opinion if you really need it...
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=22485.msg1179827#msg1179827
You haven't been on here very long, have you?
It is his written opinion is it not? Are you so insecure that you need him to come here every day yo repeat it?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 19, 2013, 06:49:37 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 18, 2013, 11:36:44 PM
I don't think BCH is a government building?
It is. Local government is still government.
I had that thought about 60 pages back but apparently it isn't and therefore provisions of the flags legislation do not apply to council buildings. If it is a government building then all those nationalist councils not flying the flag are in breach of the law, and I'd imagine the unionists would have picked up on that long before now.
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2013, 07:53:19 AM
Quote from: red hander on January 19, 2013, 06:01:11 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2013, 05:43:46 PM
What is your obsession with evil genius. Here is his opinion if you really need it...
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=22485.msg1179827#msg1179827
You haven't been on here very long, have you?
It is his written opinion is it not? Are you so insecure that you need him to come here every day yo repeat it?
. He has a lot of written opinions about other issues as well Pat Finucane being one. I would think that he and the protestors would have a lot in common and in my mind the protestors are all tarred with the same brush regardless of whether they riot or not. The antics of those on the Nolan Show proved it
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2013, 07:53:19 AM
Quote from: red hander on January 19, 2013, 06:01:11 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2013, 05:43:46 PM
What is your obsession with evil genius. Here is his opinion if you really need it...
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=22485.msg1179827#msg1179827
You haven't been on here very long, have you?
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It is his written opinion is it not? Are you so insecure that you need him to come here every day yo repeat it?
he has no problem endlessly repeating his opinions on other issues
I see on twitter/facebook some Unionists have moved their attentions onto another flag, namely that of the BA Parachute Regiment... Coinciding with a certain anniversary funnily enough.
These people have no shame. Whatever about civilian casualties from IRA actions I have never seen anyone, nationalist, republican or otherwise, celebrate civilian deaths.
Sick fcukers. >:(
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 19, 2013, 12:47:31 PM
I see on twitter/facebook some Unionists have moved their attentions onto another flag, namely that of the BA Parachute Regiment... Coinciding with a certain anniversary funnily enough.
These people have no shame. Whatever about civilian casualties from IRA actions I have never seen anyone, nationalist, republican or otherwise, celebrate civilian deaths.
Sick fcukers. >:(
plz help LONDONDERRY,, flags wer taken down because they r army,, (Paras) , its because it's tht thing abt 14 dead Paras 0,, well thts another flag tht SHITE is tryn 2 tak down,, plz post on SR
some people were posting telling them to wise up, not to disrespect the dead, they were told Martin McGuinesss fired the first shot, they deserved what they got. Sickening stuff.
http://www.facebook.com/loyalistprotestupdater?fref=ts
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 19, 2013, 12:47:31 PM
I see on twitter/facebook some Unionists have moved their attentions onto another flag, namely that of the BA Parachute Regiment... Coinciding with a certain anniversary funnily enough.
These people have no shame. Whatever about civilian casualties from IRA actions I have never seen anyone, nationalist, republican or otherwise, celebrate civilian deaths.
Sick fcukers. >:(
Unfortunately I have heard these from twats, I remember Enniskillen bomb and I one lad that i went to school with was cheering like fcuk, told him to wind his neck in. Then he went on and tried to justify it
You'd be hard pushed to find anyone celebrating it today.
The loyalists just don't know how to stop digging the hole even deeper. They really seem intent on portraying themselves in the worst possible light to the international community. We could not do a better job of it if we tried. Let them tear away. The dying kick is often the hardest.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 19, 2013, 01:57:02 PM
You'd be hard pushed to find anyone celebrating it today.
I hope so, I think in the main most nationalist, Republicans have always had a different view to the troubles than protestants/ loyalists. In time I hope this place is able to live together without the hatred.
Interface areas drives up the tension so much that ones living in those areas will always have that feeling of hating or being hated by 'themuns' so until they (politicians) sort out this then we will always have the underbelly of sectarianism.
I challenge kids every so often at work to discuss and open up about why they have hatred or what is the reason they see fit to be involved in organisations. Small steps I know but if we say nothing or don't listen then I feel it will only continue.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 19, 2013, 01:34:24 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 19, 2013, 12:47:31 PM
I see on twitter/facebook some Unionists have moved their attentions onto another flag, namely that of the BA Parachute Regiment... Coinciding with a certain anniversary funnily enough.
These people have no shame. Whatever about civilian casualties from IRA actions I have never seen anyone, nationalist, republican or otherwise, celebrate civilian deaths.
Sick fcukers. >:(
Unfortunately I have heard these from t**ts, I remember Enniskillen bomb and I one lad that i went to school with was cheering like fcuk, told him to wind his neck in. Then he went on and tried to justify it
a fairly similar experience myself but a dissident group involved as we know in the Omagh bombing. But i remember being out in Monaghan that night, and a squad of boys all getting on to their bus at the end of the night singing the songs of Irish freedom which I enjoy myself, but i thought to myself, tonight is not the night to be singing our songs, well of course me with a few sups in me let them know, i had to turn on my heels and make a run for it as a few of them took exception. i'm still mystified to this day as to how they were proud of anything that happened that day to sing in the way they did. it was a shameful act but a bus load of boyo's on our side seemed quite proud that night ! i was sickened
Quote from: Abble on January 19, 2013, 08:19:26 PM
a fairly similar experience myself but a dissident group involved as we know in the Omagh bombing. But i remember being out in Monaghan that night, and a squad of boys all getting on to their bus at the end of the night singing the songs of Irish freedom which I enjoy myself, but i thought to myself, tonight is not the night to be singing our songs, well of course me with a few sups in me let them know, i had to turn on my heels and make a run for it as a few of them took exception. i'm still mystified to this day as to how they were proud of anything that happened that day to sing in the way they did. it was a shameful act but a bus load of boyo's on our side seemed quite proud that night ! i was sickened
Fair play to you for speaking up.
Aye yer right there, nothing justifies the loss of civilian life.
The bould Wullie Fraser today ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QK7CYFeTyQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QK7CYFeTyQ)
Ah lethal stuff when yer half - jarred!!
What gripe could the good loyalist people of east belfast have with jamie bryson that they dont have with willie himself, after all there both money grabbing f**kers! nearly sick listening to him playing to the crowd, on about brysons age and gerry kelly, wouldnt suprise me if hes been f**king a few boys himself! i can sympathize to a certain degree, theres not enough money put into the education system here
Quote from: balladmaker on January 20, 2013, 12:40:12 AM
The bould Wullie Fraser today ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QK7CYFeTyQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QK7CYFeTyQ)
Ok we're going back to east Belfast.
Sorry Willie we're not going till ten past two.
Sorry folks, we're not leaving till ten past two, so if anybody wants to go get a chip............
Class. Please don't put Willie in jail or silence him. He's the only one that consistently gives us a laugh.
Willie just blocked me on twitter for calling him Loyalisms own Basil Fawlty. His videos have been endless entertainment over last few wks!
Quote from: orangeman on January 20, 2013, 11:52:59 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on January 20, 2013, 12:40:12 AM
The bould Wullie Fraser today ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QK7CYFeTyQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QK7CYFeTyQ)
Ok we're going back to east Belfast.
Sorry Willie we're not going till ten past two.
Sorry folks, we're not leaving till ten past two, so if anybody wants to go get a chip............
Class. Please don't put Willie in jail or silence him. He's the only one that consistently gives us a laugh.
You're not wrong there. The man's a comic genius
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh74SGTPXPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh74SGTPXPE)
:-X
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 20, 2013, 03:53:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh74SGTPXPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh74SGTPXPE)
:-X
Plenty of them boys on our side too!!!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 20, 2013, 03:53:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh74SGTPXPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh74SGTPXPE)
:-X
He pulled that whiskey out like a magician!! ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2013, 06:24:27 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 20, 2013, 03:53:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh74SGTPXPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh74SGTPXPE)
:-X
He pulled that whiskey out like a magician!! ;D
He's also available for birthdays,communions & christenings!
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on January 20, 2013, 06:37:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2013, 06:24:27 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 20, 2013, 03:53:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh74SGTPXPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh74SGTPXPE)
:-X
He pulled that whiskey out like a magician!! ;D
He's also available for birthdays,communions & christenings!
The republican version from Derry...............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FTJeJGd2Ek
Quote from: theticklemister on January 20, 2013, 04:00:09 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 20, 2013, 03:53:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh74SGTPXPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh74SGTPXPE)
:-X
Plenty of them boys on our side too!!!
WTF is Mr Myaugi doing at a fleg protest in Bellyfast???
Quote from: theticklemister on January 20, 2013, 07:23:14 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on January 20, 2013, 06:37:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2013, 06:24:27 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 20, 2013, 03:53:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh74SGTPXPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh74SGTPXPE)
:-X
He pulled that whiskey out like a magician!! ;D
He's also available for birthdays,communions & christenings!
The republican version from Derry...............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FTJeJGd2Ek
Republican flute bands really are just as disgusting as their loyalist counterparts...
Quote from: Arthur_Friend on January 20, 2013, 09:23:24 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on January 20, 2013, 07:23:14 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on January 20, 2013, 06:37:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2013, 06:24:27 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 20, 2013, 03:53:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh74SGTPXPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh74SGTPXPE)
:-X
He pulled that whiskey out like a magician!! ;D
He's also available for birthdays,communions & christenings!
The republican version from Derry...............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FTJeJGd2Ek
Republican flute bands really are just as disgusting as their loyalist counterparts...
I love a good Republican flute band, great music of great songs.
Quote from: Arthur_Friend on January 20, 2013, 09:23:24 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on January 20, 2013, 07:23:14 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on January 20, 2013, 06:37:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2013, 06:24:27 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 20, 2013, 03:53:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh74SGTPXPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh74SGTPXPE)
:-X
He pulled that whiskey out like a magician!! ;D
He's also available for birthdays,communions & christenings!
The republican version from Derry...............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FTJeJGd2Ek
Republican flute bands really are just as disgusting as their loyalist counterparts...
Agreed. Hate the site of them.
Was in Belfast today,flag flying (somebody's birthday) and it struck me the actual effort one has to make to actually see it (ie looking upwards or sidewards,consciously).
Quote from: T Fearon on January 20, 2013, 10:05:19 PM
Was in Belfast today,flag flying (somebody's birthday) and it struck me the actual effort one has to make to actually see it (ie looking upwards or sidewards,consciously).
It is amazing to me the length some people will go to in order to get people feeling offended.
A norn iron fan saw my post about the boul wullie and decided my mate( A left footer) should know about it, I got a call from Ireland about ten minutes from said friend asking wtf I thought I was doing exploiting him and mentioning his name as a supporter of thon eejit from Markethill.
I told him that I had never mentioned his name and that I thought being a supporter of thon cnut would be beneath him and that no one would know who the feck I was talking about, he accepted that.
So for the clampett who decided to come between two friends, thanks a million, as everyone knows, the north needs more division between the Hatfields and the Mc Coys! >:(
I was having a wee look through frazers tweets. There's one from round the time of the papal visit saying #ftp on it. Pathetic really.
Anyone who supports this man has to have serious questions asked about them.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 20, 2013, 10:33:29 PM
I was having a wee look through frazers tweets. There's one from round the time of the papal visit saying #ftp on it. Pathetic really.
Anyone who supports this man has to have serious questions asked about them.
He is some craic but!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Frazer is just another sad pathetic remnant of a time that's past. He is as Billy Connolly once sad "more to be pitied than scolded". I have often thought it sad how some Nationalists mimic the actions of Loyalists, whether its the Hibs, bonefires, flute bands or hanging flags from lampposts.
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 21, 2013, 12:14:43 PM
Frazer is just another sad pathetic remnant of a time that's past. He is as Billy Connolly once sad "more to be pitied than scolded". I have often thought it sad how some Nationalists mimic the actions of Loyalists, whether its the Hibs, bonefires, flute bands or hanging flags from lampposts.
+1. Complain about layalists and then ape them. Pathetic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=vHj_uSYYFi4
Classy!
The funniest thing is that when she finally gets herself off the ground the first thing she does is to rub the dirt off the knees of her trousers, as if that's the only thing wrong with her
Change of tack now ?
Arrest them for obstructing the highway, disorderly behaviour etc etc.
Somebody has obviously copped on that the cops response as past 6 weeks or so has been simply pathetic.
There's not that many protesters so a few nights will red them up.
Quote from: orangeman on January 21, 2013, 11:42:07 PM
Change of tack now ?
Arrest them for obstructing the highway, disorderly behaviour etc etc.
Somebody has obviously copped on that the cops response as past 6 weeks or so has been simply pathetic.
There's not that many protesters so a few nights will red them up.
Heard on the news that Facebook has been forced into removing all fleg protest pages too. :)
Quote from: orangeman on January 21, 2013, 11:42:07 PM
Change of tack now ?
Arrest them for obstructing the highway, disorderly behaviour etc etc.
Somebody has obviously copped on that the cops response as past 6 weeks or so has been simply pathetic.
There's not that many protesters so a few nights will red them up.
The cops stood idly by as they (illegally) obstructed the Antrim Coast Road at Glenarm, including causing a gritting lorry to turn back.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 22, 2013, 12:01:21 AM
Quote from: orangeman on January 21, 2013, 11:42:07 PM
Change of tack now ?
Arrest them for obstructing the highway, disorderly behaviour etc etc.
Somebody has obviously copped on that the cops response as past 6 weeks or so has been simply pathetic.
There's not that many protesters so a few nights will red them up.
The cops stood idly by as they (illegally) obstructed the Antrim Coast Road at Glenarm, including causing a gritting lorry to turn back.
Tis a long detour if that road is blocked!
As many have said recently.....what impact will these illegal road blocks have come parades time.
PSNI look like they're winging it.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 22, 2013, 12:02:44 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 22, 2013, 12:01:21 AM
Quote from: orangeman on January 21, 2013, 11:42:07 PM
Change of tack now ?
Arrest them for obstructing the highway, disorderly behaviour etc etc.
Somebody has obviously copped on that the cops response as past 6 weeks or so has been simply pathetic.
There's not that many protesters so a few nights will red them up.
The cops stood idly by as they (illegally) obstructed the Antrim Coast Road at Glenarm, including causing a gritting lorry to turn back.
Tis a long detour if that road is blocked!
The taigs roon in Kyernlow will hae icy roods.
Quote from: ApresMatch on January 21, 2013, 01:06:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=vHj_uSYYFi4
Classy!
you would like to think if you saw a woman in that state you would help her up, whether she had a red white and blue scarf on or not.
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Quote from: ApresMatch on January 21, 2013, 01:06:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=vHj_uSYYFi4
Classy!
you would like to think if you saw a woman in that state you would help her up, whether she had a red white and blue scarf on or not.
Is that genuine? I would thought it looked more like a Rangers supporter on the way back from a game
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Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 22, 2013, 12:02:44 AM
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Quote from: orangeman on January 21, 2013, 11:42:07 PM
Change of tack now ?
Arrest them for obstructing the highway, disorderly behaviour etc etc.
Somebody has obviously copped on that the cops response as past 6 weeks or so has been simply pathetic.
There's not that many protesters so a few nights will red them up.
The cops stood idly by as they (illegally) obstructed the Antrim Coast Road at Glenarm, including causing a gritting lorry to turn back.
Tis a long detour if that road is blocked!
The taigs roon in Kyernlow will hae icy roods.
Yin o' them will haetae ice their ain roads.
Quote from: orangeman on January 21, 2013, 11:42:07 PM
Change of tack now ?
Arrest them for obstructing the highway, disorderly behaviour etc etc.
Somebody has obviously copped on that the cops response as past 6 weeks or so has been simply pathetic.
There's not that many protesters so a few nights will red them up.
Thats what they should have been arresting them for in the first place - but there was simply too many protests for that and not enough police.
Belfast was already practically at a standstill last night with snow and then these eejits have to block more roads!
Poor Willie, I can't really pick up on what his message is, apart from the whole they are bad and we are good mentality. He is good value for a laugh though and his accent always catches me off guard, not too many Unionists have that accent!
Looks like their main facebook page has bit the dust.
Mark Zuckerberg, IRA communications officer.
Quote from: Puckoon on January 30, 2013, 08:18:02 PM
Mark Zuckerberg, IRA communications officer.
FenianBook.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on January 30, 2013, 07:54:41 PM
Looks like their main facebook page has bit the dust.
It's back again. ::)
What is a white wine pwotest? Does this mean only wed wine or wosey wine?
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I carefully :-\ drove past the protestors on Friday evening as they made their way up from Tigers Bay (loyalist) to Newington (nationalist). Seems like standing in the middle of the road in Tigers Bay isnt enough. They wanted to goad nationalist youths into a fight.
Dam! It looks like jaywalking isnt a crime in the occupied six http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking)
Quote from: Orior on February 10, 2013, 06:54:18 PM
I carefully :-\ drove past the protestors on Friday evening as they made their way up from Tigers Bay (loyalist) to Newington (nationalist). Seems like standing in the middle of the road in Tigers Bay isnt enough. They wanted to goad nationalist youths into a fight.
Dam! It looks like jaywalking isnt a crime in the occupied six http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking)
Do you know of anyone ever lifted for jaywalking before?
Quote from: Orior on February 10, 2013, 06:54:18 PM
I carefully :-\ drove past the protestors on Friday evening as they made their way up from Tigers Bay (loyalist) to Newington (nationalist). Seems like standing in the middle of the road in Tigers Bay isnt enough. They wanted to goad nationalist youths into a fight.
Dam! It looks like jaywalking isnt a crime in the occupied six http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking)
Did you see Carl Frampton?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2013, 07:11:29 PM
Quote from: Orior on February 10, 2013, 06:54:18 PM
I carefully :-\ drove past the protestors on Friday evening as they made their way up from Tigers Bay (loyalist) to Newington (nationalist). Seems like standing in the middle of the road in Tigers Bay isnt enough. They wanted to goad nationalist youths into a fight.
Dam! It looks like jaywalking isnt a crime in the occupied six http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking)
Do you know of anyone ever lifted for jaywalking before?
Yip, in the States.
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Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 10, 2013, 07:12:51 PM
Quote from: Orior on February 10, 2013, 06:54:18 PM
I carefully :-\ drove past the protestors on Friday evening as they made their way up from Tigers Bay (loyalist) to Newington (nationalist). Seems like standing in the middle of the road in Tigers Bay isnt enough. They wanted to goad nationalist youths into a fight.
Dam! It looks like jaywalking isnt a crime in the occupied six http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking)
Did you see Carl Frampton?
Tony seen him waving the Jack and walking across the road on his hands, holding up traffic!!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 10, 2013, 07:12:51 PM
Quote from: Orior on February 10, 2013, 06:54:18 PM
I carefully :-\ drove past the protestors on Friday evening as they made their way up from Tigers Bay (loyalist) to Newington (nationalist). Seems like standing in the middle of the road in Tigers Bay isnt enough. They wanted to goad nationalist youths into a fight.
Dam! It looks like jaywalking isnt a crime in the occupied six http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking)
Did you see Carl Frampton?
No, but I did see his older brother Peter on the television on Saturday night, and he showed me the way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLgeTtYwQ7o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLgeTtYwQ7o)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2013, 07:30:09 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 10, 2013, 07:12:51 PM
Quote from: Orior on February 10, 2013, 06:54:18 PM
I carefully :-\ drove past the protestors on Friday evening as they made their way up from Tigers Bay (loyalist) to Newington (nationalist). Seems like standing in the middle of the road in Tigers Bay isnt enough. They wanted to goad nationalist youths into a fight.
Dam! It looks like jaywalking isnt a crime in the occupied six http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking)
Did you see Carl Frampton?
Tony seen him waving the Jack and walking across the road on his hands, holding up traffic!!
Loves an auld fleg protest does The Jackal.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2013, 07:11:29 PM
Quote from: Orior on February 10, 2013, 06:54:18 PM
I carefully :-\ drove past the protestors on Friday evening as they made their way up from Tigers Bay (loyalist) to Newington (nationalist). Seems like standing in the middle of the road in Tigers Bay isnt enough. They wanted to goad nationalist youths into a fight.
Dam! It looks like jaywalking isnt a crime in the occupied six http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking)
Do you know of anyone ever lifted for jaywalking before?
The brother was lifted, charged and convicted of jaywalking.
I was going through ballygawley yesterday evening and there were about 6 lads puttin up new flags with 2 car loads of watchers and a police car protectiong them while they done it. Its gona be a long summer.
Quote from: Hereiam on February 19, 2013, 09:26:10 AM
I was going through ballygawley yesterday evening and there were about 6 lads puttin up new flags with 2 car loads of watchers and a police car protectiong them while they done it. Its gona be a long summer.
This place is pretty depressing,
Is this likely to affect the Fleadh in Derry in August?
Quote from: Onion Bag on February 19, 2013, 09:33:03 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on February 19, 2013, 09:26:10 AM
I was going through ballygawley yesterday evening and there were about 6 lads puttin up new flags with 2 car loads of watchers and a police car protectiong them while they done it. Its gona be a long summer.
This place is pretty depressing,
Thats a bit harsh.
Quote from: tommysmith on February 19, 2013, 11:08:20 AM
Is this likely to affect the Fleadh in Derry in August?
Don't think so. The police here are very heavy handed, well that's what the protesters claimed, while trying to block the sons and daughters concert.
Quote from: Hereiam on February 19, 2013, 09:26:10 AM
I was going through ballygawley yesterday evening and there were about 6 lads puttin up new flags with 2 car loads of watchers and a police car protectiong them while they done it. Its gona be a long summer.
How does that work then?
Do they go tell the cops first and that they need some protection?
Do Catholics get such protection putting up tricolours?
Can you be arrested for taking down a union jack?
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 19, 2013, 02:05:08 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on February 19, 2013, 09:26:10 AM
I was going through ballygawley yesterday evening and there were about 6 lads puttin up new flags with 2 car loads of watchers and a police car protectiong them while they done it. Its gona be a long summer.
How does that work then?
Do they go tell the cops first and that they need some protection?
Do Catholics get such protection putting up tricolours?
Can you be arrested for taking down a union jack?
why would any 'Catholic'/ Nationalist/ Republican be mimicking these eejits, any one climbing a lamp post to put a flag up of any description deserves to run the risks of a good hiding!
The tamnamore roundabout always gets a good few flags hung up on it. Must be some important aspect of Britishness attached there that we all seem to be missing.
Police protecting people putting flags up is a common enough occurrence I thought?
The flag flying I would always have viewed as being a very insecure thing. If you were secure in your britishness or your irishness then I don't see why you need to fly a flag to show it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21502730 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21502730)
Poor Jamie seems very paranoid and defensive here.
Shaping up to be a contentious summer.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21547032
Would they parade through contentious areas without police protection?
Stop press: Jim Allister introduces controversy into Antarctica story. Points out it flies the flag and not just on designated days #thinice
Gareth Gordon @BBCGarethG
Seen that Belfast City Council will hold 4 days of festivities to celebrate St Patricks day
There wont be any issues made of that I'm sure :-\ ...... apart from the rioting (beyond the Holylands that is)
Quote from: ziggysego on February 25, 2013, 03:45:15 PM
Stop press: Jim Allister introduces controversy into Antarctica story. Points out it flies the flag and not just on designated days #thinice
Gareth Gordon @BBCGarethG
Antartica? If he is talking about thin ice then it should really be the North, not the South. The issues are always with the North.
Gareth should know better.
Ahh you thick paddies, do you not know that the British invent the lamp post! As a result it is an important aspect of British Culture to decorate these with union flags.
Breaking: Jamie Bryson and Willie Fraser have been arrested and are being questioned about organising and participating in unlawful parades.
Quote from: ziggysego on February 27, 2013, 10:07:18 AM
Breaking: Jamie Bryson and Willie Fraser have been arrested and are being questioned about organising and participating in unlawful parades.
Are you taking the piss here ziggy? Where is this info coming from?
Quote from: trileacman on February 27, 2013, 10:10:33 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 27, 2013, 10:07:18 AM
Breaking: Jamie Bryson and Willie Fraser have been arrested and are being questioned about organising and participating in unlawful parades.
Are you taking the piss here ziggy? Where is this info coming from?
Twitter.
Chris Lindsay - Senior Broadcast Journalist BBC Newsline.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21601341 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21601341)
This is madness, the pigs do nothing whilst all this was raging and now that things have quietened they start to stir it all up again. Fraizer will never be charged with anything and all the PSNI have achieved is to lend support to the "fleg" suggestions that the state is now against them and their "culture".
I don't know about Bryson but I'd have thought Fraser would definitely have been guilty of incitement of hatred crimes. It may be deemed as madness arresting this guy and he may be deemed as mad but you can't be going round saying whatever you want and slandering everyone left, right and cenntre.
Quote from: ziggysego on February 27, 2013, 10:13:18 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21601341 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21601341)
"...there may be trouble aheaaad..."
I think the two of them need full cavity searches just in case
Quote from: trileacman on February 27, 2013, 10:18:32 AM
This is madness, the pigs do nothing whilst all this was raging and now that things have quietened they start to stir it all up again. Fraizer will never be charged with anything and all the PSNI have achieved is to lend support to the "fleg" suggestions that the state is now against them and their "culture".
Dammed if they do and dammed if they don't?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2013, 10:38:21 AM
Quote from: trileacman on February 27, 2013, 10:18:32 AM
This is madness, the pigs do nothing whilst all this was raging and now that things have quietened they start to stir it all up again. Fraizer will never be charged with anything and all the PSNI have achieved is to lend support to the "fleg" suggestions that the state is now against them and their "culture".
Dammed if they do and dammed if they don't?
They will have the same supporters now as they had at the height of the fleg protesting malarkey so there is no real difference lifting them now as it would have been then, other than the fact that hopefully they have some hard evidence of them organising these illegal protests.
I'm not looking forward to this summer. And I live 250 miles away.
Quote from: NAG1 on February 27, 2013, 10:45:05 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2013, 10:38:21 AM
Quote from: trileacman on February 27, 2013, 10:18:32 AM
This is madness, the pigs do nothing whilst all this was raging and now that things have quietened they start to stir it all up again. Fraizer will never be charged with anything and all the PSNI have achieved is to lend support to the "fleg" suggestions that the state is now against them and their "culture".
Dammed if they do and dammed if they don't?
They will have the same supporters now as they had at the height of the fleg protesting malarkey so there is no real difference lifting them now as it would have been then, other than the fact that hopefully they have some hard evidence of them organising these illegal protests.
History will show that if you had have went heavy handed and beat them off the streets they would have had more sympathy from their own and more numbers, also the politicans on their side would have baked them up. So I think on this issue you are wrong
They should be lifted without a doubt. There has been a lot incitement from both these boys - they have broken the law and should be punished for it.
I thought they were home and dry doing whatever they wanted and am happy to see this.
What the repercussions are I do not know but you can't go round just doing what you want. I hope they have evidence so they can be charged and then wind their necks in.
It's probably also better lifting them now that tensions have died down a bit.
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Quote from: NAG1 on February 27, 2013, 10:45:05 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2013, 10:38:21 AM
Quote from: trileacman on February 27, 2013, 10:18:32 AM
This is madness, the pigs do nothing whilst all this was raging and now that things have quietened they start to stir it all up again. Fraizer will never be charged with anything and all the PSNI have achieved is to lend support to the "fleg" suggestions that the state is now against them and their "culture".
Dammed if they do and dammed if they don't?
They will have the same supporters now as they had at the height of the fleg protesting malarkey so there is no real difference lifting them now as it would have been then, other than the fact that hopefully they have some hard evidence of them organising these illegal protests.
History will show that if you had have went heavy handed and beat them off the streets they would have had more sympathy from their own and more numbers, also the politicans on their side would have baked them up. So I think on this issue you are wrong
I think it is the correct move. If the PSNI had tried to lift them during a parade all hell would have broke loose. There would have been cries about "human wights". They have lifted them away from the cameras and hopefully have enough evidence to show a pattern of law breaking and charge them.
As with a number of riots the arrests happened in the following weeks where the potential to inflame the situation had lessened.
Believe it or not LED lights have been fitted around the city hall and are currently flashing blue, red then green!!
Matt Baggott was saying last week (22 Feb) there is going to be more people before the courts - hopefully this is just the start of it...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21541804
"There will be further arrests, there will be more charges and there will be hundreds of people brought before the courts," Mr Baggott said.
Quote from: Hardy on February 27, 2013, 10:57:28 AM
I'm not looking forward to this summer. And I live 250 miles away.
You're welcome to come to Fermanagh for a closer look!!
Someone has handed Baggot his arse in a bag, that's why we are seeing all this belated activity. Watch out for a change of tactics from the PSNI.
Quote from: AQMP on February 27, 2013, 12:17:44 PM
Quote from: Hardy on February 27, 2013, 10:57:28 AM
I'm not looking forward to this summer. And I live 250 miles away.
You're welcome to come to Fermanagh for a closer look!!
Have the good people of Fermanagh not had enough grief?
QuoteJamie Bryson and Willie Fraser
I hope either or both are put in a secluded cell with this fellow.
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Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 27, 2013, 12:39:48 PM
QuoteJamie Bryson and Willie Fraser
I hope either or both are put in a secluded cell with this fellow.
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He is wearing a crucifix, bless him.
I think the PSNI have played a shrewd enough game. All these boys wanted was to be beaten of the street so that they could get more sympathy and support from more moderate loyalist/unionists and turning their protest into a larger "Unionism under threat" protest. They didn't get this and their protest has died on its feet with only a few loons taking part. It is now that the PSNI should go in there and start lifting the trouble makers as people need to know you cannot go around rioting and blocking roads whenever you feel like it. They will be now behind bars and will have achieved nothing - thats a result in my opinion.
Quote from: Hereiam on February 27, 2013, 10:30:10 AM
I think the two of them need full cavity searches just in case
In case there's a brain hidden somewhere ? ;D
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 27, 2013, 01:15:35 PM
I think the PSNI have played a shrewd enough game. All these boys wanted was to be beaten of the street so that they could get more sympathy and support from more moderate loyalist/unionists and turning their protest into a larger "Unionism under threat" protest. They didn't get this and their protest has died on its feet with only a few loons taking part. It is now that the PSNI should go in there and start lifting the trouble makers as people need to know you cannot go around rioting and blocking roads whenever you feel like it. They will be now behind bars and will have achieved nothing - thats a result in my opinion.
I was reading in the paper last night about a young lad in court who, according to his lawyer, "only went along to the protest to observe and then got sucked in and that he was very sorry and ashamed of what he did".
I bet the lawyer read that out with a straight face too.
Quote from: Orior on February 27, 2013, 02:58:59 PM
I was reading in the paper last night about a young lad in court who, according to his lawyer, "only went along to the protest to observe and then got sucked in and that he was very sorry and ashamed of what he did".
I bet the lawyer read that out with a straight face too.
Reminds me of the loyal sons of Ulster shown in a Loyalist drinking pit on Peter Taylor's documentary about Loyalists (called, funnily enough,
Loyalists) who had their faces blocked out. I was shocked, Mr Taig Customer, to hear them singing songs about being up to their necks in Fenian blood,
shocked. I thought it was a meeting of Quakers.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 27, 2013, 01:15:35 PM
I think the PSNI have played a shrewd enough game. All these boys wanted was to be beaten of the street so that they could get more sympathy and support from more moderate loyalist/unionists and turning their protest into a larger "Unionism under threat" protest. They didn't get this and their protest has died on its feet with only a few loons taking part. It is now that the PSNI should go in there and start lifting the trouble makers as people need to know you cannot go around rioting and blocking roads whenever you feel like it. They will be now behind bars and will have achieved nothing - thats a result in my opinion.
I am with Myles on this.
I'm sure the next Robert Hamill will appreciate the PSNI's long game.
Quote from: Puckoon on February 27, 2013, 03:13:49 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 27, 2013, 01:15:35 PM
I think the PSNI have played a shrewd enough game. All these boys wanted was to be beaten of the street so that they could get more sympathy and support from more moderate loyalist/unionists and turning their protest into a larger "Unionism under threat" protest. They didn't get this and their protest has died on its feet with only a few loons taking part. It is now that the PSNI should go in there and start lifting the trouble makers as people need to know you cannot go around rioting and blocking roads whenever you feel like it. They will be now behind bars and will have achieved nothing - thats a result in my opinion.
I am with Myles on this.
Whilst it was frustrating at the time to see them run riot (no pun instead), in the long run this is the right way to do it. Willie would love for nothing more to be carted off the street, during the height of the troubles in recent months, with all the television cameras on him. The PSNI didn't play into his hands.
Now it's up to them to ensure that they can make the conviction stick and throw this fool in prison for a wean of months.
Quote from: deiseach on February 27, 2013, 03:21:26 PM
I'm sure the next Robert Hamill will appreciate the PSNI's long game.
I think that is an unfair assessment. There would be IMVHO a bigger potential for innocent death due to escalation of the violence at the time than there may well be now.
Quote from: Puckoon on February 27, 2013, 03:27:56 PM
Quote from: deiseach on February 27, 2013, 03:21:26 PM
I'm sure the next Robert Hamill will appreciate the PSNI's long game.
I think that is an unfair assessment. There would be IMVHO a bigger potential for innocent death due to escalation of the violence at the time than there may well be now.
It's a shocking assessment.
Another factor here has to be the summer - based on last week's news that if you don't inform police you don't need the parades commission permission then a marker has to be left now that illegal marches won't be tolerated. If that's not done all hell will break loose in the summer. This will hopefully be the beginning of these proceedings.
Quote from: Orior on February 27, 2013, 02:58:59 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 27, 2013, 01:15:35 PM
I think the PSNI have played a shrewd enough game. All these boys wanted was to be beaten of the street so that they could get more sympathy and support from more moderate loyalist/unionists and turning their protest into a larger "Unionism under threat" protest. They didn't get this and their protest has died on its feet with only a few loons taking part. It is now that the PSNI should go in there and start lifting the trouble makers as people need to know you cannot go around rioting and blocking roads whenever you feel like it. They will be now behind bars and will have achieved nothing - thats a result in my opinion.
I was reading in the paper last night about a young lad in court who, according to his lawyer, "only went along to the protest to observe and then got sucked in and that he was very sorry and ashamed of what he did".
I bet the lawyer read that out with a straight face too.
His barrister would have read that to the court surely? Besides you don't get a lawyer to put you in jail
Quote from: Puckoon on February 27, 2013, 03:27:56 PM
Quote from: deiseach on February 27, 2013, 03:21:26 PM
I'm sure the next Robert Hamill will appreciate the PSNI's long game.
I think that is an unfair assessment. There would be IMVHO a bigger potential for innocent death due to escalation of the violence at the time than there may well be now.
There's little evidence that the PSNI are ever willing to confront the forces of Loyalism. I admit it's difficult. Is there any other police force in the developed world that has to deal with mainstream politicians who are willing to give tacit support to rioters? But I think this idea that there is a strategy of contain-and-conquer is giving them way too much credit.
Quote from: deiseach on February 27, 2013, 03:21:26 PM
I'm sure the next Robert Hamill will appreciate the PSNI's long game.
If you were chief of police how would you handle it?
Quote from: deiseach on February 27, 2013, 03:37:21 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 27, 2013, 03:27:56 PM
Quote from: deiseach on February 27, 2013, 03:21:26 PM
I'm sure the next Robert Hamill will appreciate the PSNI's long game.
I think that is an unfair assessment. There would be IMVHO a bigger potential for innocent death due to escalation of the violence at the time than there may well be now.
There's little evidence that the PSNI are ever willing to confront the forces of Loyalism. I admit it's difficult. Is there any other police force in the developed world that has to deal with mainstream politicians who are willing to give tacit support to rioters? But I think this idea that there is a strategy of contain-and-conquer is giving them way too much credit.
Maybe we are giving them too much credit, but it is a better way to deal with things, I was up on the Anderstownn road many years when the police killed someone at close range with a plastic bullet during a sit down outside SF headquarters (cops were trying to arrest someone inside), even as kids we knew there was going to be a riot, well it kick off something shocking. If we go back to that style of policing then we will certainly end up back to the bad old days, well some here think it was great :o
Quote from: deiseach on February 27, 2013, 03:37:21 PM
But I think this idea that there is a strategy of contain-and-conquer is giving them way too much credit.
I might agree with you in so far that it may not have ever been an official strategy from the outset. There is a precedent with this if I remember correctly in that a year or two ago during some of the summer riots - they let it slide at the time and then a month later began rounding up those who could be identified via CCTV? Im open to correction on the actuality of those riots and how they were handled.
Lets not lose sight of the fact that there are those who are determined to kill still in this divided society. On one hand we have Robert Hamill being referenced as a stick with which to beat the PSNI - and not so long ago we have a young catholic member of said force - joining up to try and stem the tide, make a difference - and he's car bombed to his death. Blame is an easy game and Northern Ireland politics and political opinion are rife with it.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 27, 2013, 03:40:53 PM
Quote from: deiseach on February 27, 2013, 03:21:26 PM
I'm sure the next Robert Hamill will appreciate the PSNI's long game.
If you were chief of police how would you handle it?
I'd be willing to use more force. For crying out loud, it was utterly insane that a handful of protesters were able to get the Crusaders-Cliftonville called off. Nigel Dodds complained about "heavy-handed" policing even though there were only three arrests! I hope the police don't come to regret allowing the protesters to effectively behave with impunity as the days get drier and the evenings longer.
A question comes to mind in all of this. Is Willie Frazer the kind of character around whom mainstream Unionism can unite if the circumstances were right? He's always struck me as a Ruairí Ó Brádaigh-style figure, full of bluster but no support even those inclined to extremism. Yeah, people may not like the whole fleg thing, but they don't like the prophet of doom even more. Am I underestimating the sympathy he might receive among the populace?
Quote from: deiseach on February 27, 2013, 03:50:49 PM
. Nigel Dodds complained about "heavy-handed" policing
And therein lies the real problem with the so called leaders of Unionism reverting to type and pandering to the lowest common denominator of extremist.
Of course they unleashed the forces of Neanderthalism in the first place by calling for protests against the City Council's decision which was really a misguided method of trying to win back the Westminster seat for the Invader of Clontibret from Alliance.
Obviously the DUPes attempt to win over the Catholic population , which seemed to be official policy last Autumn, is now on hold ::)
Quote from: deiseach on February 27, 2013, 03:57:25 PM
A question comes to mind in all of this. Is Willie Frazer the kind of character around whom mainstream Unionism can unite if the circumstances were right? He's always struck me as a Ruairí Ó Brádaigh-style figure, full of bluster but no support even those inclined to extremism. Yeah, people may not like the whole fleg thing, but they don't like the prophet of doom even more. Am I underestimating the sympathy he might receive among the populace?
I don't think so deiseach, or at least the circumstances would need to be pretty dire. The O'Bradaigh comparison is reasonable though I think even Ruairi spoke slightly more sense than Wullie. Most Unionists I know regard Wullie as a bit of a headcase.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 27, 2013, 04:13:18 PM
Quote from: deiseach on February 27, 2013, 03:50:49 PM
. Nigel Dodds complained about "heavy-handed" policing
And therein lies the real problem with the so called leaders of Unionism reverting to type and pandering to the lowest common denominator of extremist.
Of course they unleashed the forces of Neanderthalism in the first place by calling for protests against the City Council's decision which was really a misguided method of trying to win back the Westminster seat for the Invader of Clontibret from Alliance.
Obviously the DUPes attempt to win over the Catholic population , which seemed to be official policy last Autumn, is now on hold ::)
Indeed. My concern is that all decisions taken with respect to Loyalism are informed by the idea that their violence is 'reactive'. Throughout the Troubles, it was mainstream - even down here -that if only the beastly Provos went away then the Loyalists would too. It's an idea that won't die in the face of the likes of Wullie and I fear even the PSNI think that if you don't prod (pun unintended) the beast then it won't wake up. Although now that I think about it, maybe I'm the one still fighting the battles of the past...
Quote from: AQMP on February 27, 2013, 04:23:34 PM
Quote from: deiseach on February 27, 2013, 03:57:25 PM
A question comes to mind in all of this. Is Willie Frazer the kind of character around whom mainstream Unionism can unite if the circumstances were right? He's always struck me as a Ruairí Ó Brádaigh-style figure, full of bluster but no support even those inclined to extremism. Yeah, people may not like the whole fleg thing, but they don't like the prophet of doom even more. Am I underestimating the sympathy he might receive among the populace?
I don't think so deiseach, or at least the circumstances would need to be pretty dire. The O'Bradaigh comparison is reasonable though I think even Ruairi spoke slightly more sense than Wullie. Most Unionists I know regard Wullie as a bit of a headcase.
O'Bradaigh is nothing like Frazer. O'Bradaigh had strong ideals and stood by them while other people within the Republican movement opted to change like the wind and continue to do so. Frazer is nothing but a headless chicken who takes his self-righteousness as a given to lead the Protestant and Unionist people to the promise land.
Quote from: theticklemister on February 27, 2013, 04:33:24 PM
O'Bradaigh is nothing like Frazer. O'Bradaigh had strong ideals and stood by them while other people within the Republican movement opted to change like the wind and continue to do so. Frazer is nothing but a headless chicken who takes his self-righteousness as a given to lead the Protestant and Unionist people to the promise land.
I wouldn't say they were comparable in terms of their ideas. I was thinking more about the levels of support they enjoy(ed) among their target audience.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2013, 11:15:13 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on February 27, 2013, 10:45:05 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2013, 10:38:21 AM
Quote from: trileacman on February 27, 2013, 10:18:32 AM
This is madness, the pigs do nothing whilst all this was raging and now that things have quietened they start to stir it all up again. Fraizer will never be charged with anything and all the PSNI have achieved is to lend support to the "fleg" suggestions that the state is now against them and their "culture".
Dammed if they do and dammed if they don't?
They will have the same supporters now as they had at the height of the fleg protesting malarkey so there is no real difference lifting them now as it would have been then, other than the fact that hopefully they have some hard evidence of them organising these illegal protests.
History will show that if you had have went heavy handed and beat them off the streets they would have had more sympathy from their own and more numbers, also the politicans on their side would have baked them up. So I think on this issue you are wrong
History will also have shown that they had no problems beating 7 shades of shite out of the Catholics and they they used both rubber bullets and Plastic bullets as well as truncheons and water cannon, not so much agin the unionists/loyalists!
You are the one that is wrong.
Jamie Bryson, who is currently on the run, has released a video statement.
You couldn't make this stuff up.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ra09nN5I7sI
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 27, 2013, 12:33:22 PM
Someone has handed Baggot his arse in a bag, that's why we are seeing all this belated activity. Watch out for a change of tactics from the PSNI.
To be fair, as ineffective as the PSNI has appeared, Baggot has said all along that this was his approach. Let's just hope it's effective.
At the same time, I don't agree with the police standing by whilst as few as 10 people block a main road - there must be some kind of middle-ground.
Quote from: give her dixie on February 27, 2013, 05:07:27 PM
Jamie Bryson, who is currently on the run, has released a video statement.
You couldn't make this stuff up.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ra09nN5I7sI
Another update from one of the comedy duo; keep er coming to buck!
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 27, 2013, 05:44:11 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 27, 2013, 12:33:22 PM
Someone has handed Baggot his arse in a bag, that's why we are seeing all this belated activity. Watch out for a change of tactics from the PSNI.
To be fair, as ineffective as the PSNI has appeared, Baggot has said all along that this was his approach. Let's just hope it's effective.
At the same time, I don't agree with the police standing by whilst as few as 10 people block a main road - there must be some kind of middle-ground.
If it was 10 shinners blocking a roard they would have shot them!
It seems to me that in summer that some nationalist faction will block a road before an Orange march and the PSNI will batter them out of the way, losing all credibility in the process.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 27, 2013, 06:28:45 PM
It seems to me that in summer that some nationalist faction will block a road before an Orange march and the PSNI will batter them out of the way, losing all credibility in the process.
Well yes, that's where the problem would arise. If they can't clear the road for the general public, they can't clear it for a march.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 27, 2013, 06:28:45 PM
It seems to me that in summer that some nationalist faction will block a road before an Orange march and the PSNI will batter them out of the way, losing all credibility in the process.
In my mind there is no doubt that this will indeed happen.
Quote from: stew on February 27, 2013, 04:40:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2013, 11:15:13 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on February 27, 2013, 10:45:05 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2013, 10:38:21 AM
Quote from: trileacman on February 27, 2013, 10:18:32 AM
This is madness, the pigs do nothing whilst all this was raging and now that things have quietened they start to stir it all up again. Fraizer will never be charged with anything and all the PSNI have achieved is to lend support to the "fleg" suggestions that the state is now against them and their "culture".
Dammed if they do and dammed if they don't?
They will have the same supporters now as they had at the height of the fleg protesting malarkey so there is no real difference lifting them now as it would have been then, other than the fact that hopefully they have some hard evidence of them organising these illegal protests.
History will show that if you had have went heavy handed and beat them off the streets they would have had more sympathy from their own and more numbers, also the politicans on their side would have baked them up. So I think on this issue you are wrong
History will also have shown that they had no problems beating 7 shades of shite out of the Catholics and they they used both rubber bullets and Plastic bullets as well as truncheons and water cannon, not so much agin the unionists/loyalists!
You are the one that is wrong.
So did it work? Hmmmmm
Revert back to heavy handed tactics will do what? I'd love to see the protestors get a quarter of what happened in the streets where I grew up but what will it do? You are full of shit if you think that that will work and get people off the streets, will only bring them back, in droves
Quote from: give her dixie on February 27, 2013, 05:07:27 PM
Jamie Bryson, who is currently on the run, has released a video statement.
You couldn't make this stuff up.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ra09nN5I7sI
Lol. What a stupid little p***k. He is loving the attention but in a year or so will just be another has been in the dole que.
Quote from: EC Unique on February 27, 2013, 08:54:07 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on February 27, 2013, 05:07:27 PM
Jamie Bryson, who is currently on the run, has released a video statement.
You couldn't make this stuff up.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ra09nN5I7sI
Lol. What a stupid little p***k. He is loving the attention but in a year or so will just be another has been in the dole que.
Nah I would be pretty certain he will have some sort of public funded gig this time next year.
Why didn't the PSNI arrest the UVF members that were turning he rioting and protests on and off like a tap, instead of a couple of half wits like Bryson & Frazer.
I see the bottom of the Newtownards road near the Short Strand is blocked off again tonight.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2013, 07:40:00 PM
Quote from: stew on February 27, 2013, 04:40:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2013, 11:15:13 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on February 27, 2013, 10:45:05 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2013, 10:38:21 AM
Quote from: trileacman on February 27, 2013, 10:18:32 AM
This is madness, the pigs do nothing whilst all this was raging and now that things have quietened they start to stir it all up again. Fraizer will never be charged with anything and all the PSNI have achieved is to lend support to the "fleg" suggestions that the state is now against them and their "culture".
Dammed if they do and dammed if they don't?
They will have the same supporters now as they had at the height of the fleg protesting malarkey so there is no real difference lifting them now as it would have been then, other than the fact that hopefully they have some hard evidence of them organising these illegal protests.
History will show that if you had have went heavy handed and beat them off the streets they would have had more sympathy from their own and more numbers, also the politicans on their side would have baked them up. So I think on this issue you are wrong
History will also have shown that they had no problems beating 7 shades of shite out of the Catholics and they they used both rubber bullets and Plastic bullets as well as truncheons and water cannon, not so much agin the unionists/loyalists!
You are the one that is wrong.
So did it work? Hmmmmm
Revert back to heavy handed tactics will do what? I'd love to see the protestors get a quarter of what happened in the streets where I grew up but what will it do? You are full of shit if you think that that will work and get people off the streets, will only bring them back, in droves
I stand corrected then, lets do this, lets let these loyalist scumbags do what they will, block roads etc while the filth do nothing............................. right up until the time the fenians block the same loyalist scumbags when they go on their marches and then lets let the psni kick the shite out of them.
Appeasement is not the answer given the fact it is one dimensional, give the fcukers one warning, if they heed it not f**king empty them and give them a taste of what we got!
Appeasement will continue to allow these bucks to disrupt the public's lives and they will use the ineptitude of the psni to their advantage to further their cause, whatever the fcuk that is!
"We have peace in our time" who'd that work out for Neville back in the day? Hmmmm.
Quote from: theticklemister on February 27, 2013, 04:33:24 PM
Quote from: AQMP on February 27, 2013, 04:23:34 PM
Quote from: deiseach on February 27, 2013, 03:57:25 PM
A question comes to mind in all of this. Is Willie Frazer the kind of character around whom mainstream Unionism can unite if the circumstances were right? He's always struck me as a Ruairí Ó Brádaigh-style figure, full of bluster but no support even those inclined to extremism. Yeah, people may not like the whole fleg thing, but they don't like the prophet of doom even more. Am I underestimating the sympathy he might receive among the populace?
I don't think so deiseach, or at least the circumstances would need to be pretty dire. The O'Bradaigh comparison is reasonable though I think even Ruairi spoke slightly more sense than Wullie. Most Unionists I know regard Wullie as a bit of a headcase.
O'Bradaigh is nothing like Frazer. O'Bradaigh had strong ideals and stood by them while other people within the Republican movement opted to change like the wind and continue to do so. Frazer is nothing but a headless chicken who takes his self-righteousness as a given to lead the Protestant and Unionist people to the promise land.
So O'Bradaigh isnt a headless chicken :o thinks he is back in 1798,with a pike in one hand and a pike in the other.Both Frazer and O'Bradaigh need to come into the 21 century and move on.
To change tack slightly, though not totally unrelated we can see from the antic's of Gregory Campbell on twitter the type of shared future the DUP want...Loads of union flegs, marches to commemorate everything from 1690 to 2013...but just let James McClean say he likes the Broad Black Brimmer, what an out cry...shock horror. It's not as if he's playing it outside the Martyrs memorial or pissing through the gate. Unionism is totally unreformable, time SF/SDLP and small u nationalist woke up an smelt the Punjana.
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 28, 2013, 09:50:33 AM
To change tack slightly, though not totally unrelated we can see from the antic's of Gregory Campbell on twitter the type of shared future the DUP want...Loads of union flegs, marches to commemorate everything from 1690 to 2013...but just let James McClean say he likes the Broad Black Brimmer, what an out cry...shock horror. It's not as if he's playing it outside the Martyrs memorial or pissing through the gate. Unionism is totally unreformable, time SF/SDLP and small u nationalist woke up an smelt the Punjana.
Who is trying to reform them,def not Sinn Fein they are very happy to split them and keep putting the pressure on them at all times,think flag isssue is prime example of this.What do you suggest they do about Gregory?
Quote from: stew on February 28, 2013, 03:33:20 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2013, 07:40:00 PM
Quote from: stew on February 27, 2013, 04:40:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2013, 11:15:13 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on February 27, 2013, 10:45:05 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2013, 10:38:21 AM
Quote from: trileacman on February 27, 2013, 10:18:32 AM
This is madness, the pigs do nothing whilst all this was raging and now that things have quietened they start to stir it all up again. Fraizer will never be charged with anything and all the PSNI have achieved is to lend support to the "fleg" suggestions that the state is now against them and their "culture".
Dammed if they do and dammed if they don't?
They will have the same supporters now as they had at the height of the fleg protesting malarkey so there is no real difference lifting them now as it would have been then, other than the fact that hopefully they have some hard evidence of them organising these illegal protests.
History will show that if you had have went heavy handed and beat them off the streets they would have had more sympathy from their own and more numbers, also the politicans on their side would have baked them up. So I think on this issue you are wrong
History will also have shown that they had no problems beating 7 shades of shite out of the Catholics and they they used both rubber bullets and Plastic bullets as well as truncheons and water cannon, not so much agin the unionists/loyalists!
You are the one that is wrong.
So did it work? Hmmmmm
Revert back to heavy handed tactics will do what? I'd love to see the protestors get a quarter of what happened in the streets where I grew up but what will it do? You are full of shit if you think that that will work and get people off the streets, will only bring them back, in droves
I stand corrected then, lets do this, lets let these loyalist scumbags do what they will, block roads etc while the filth do nothing............................. right up until the time the fenians block the same loyalist scumbags when they go on their marches and then lets let the psni kick the shite out of them.
Appeasement is not the answer given the fact it is one dimensional, give the fcukers one warning, if they heed it not f**king empty them and give them a taste of what we got!
Appeasement will continue to allow these bucks to disrupt the public's lives and they will use the ineptitude of the psni to their advantage to further their cause, whatever the fcuk that is!
"We have peace in our time" who'd that work out for Neville back in the day? Hmmmm.
Hitler?? FFS lad wind your neck in, this is N.I, in terms of global trouble this isn't even worthy of a paragraph in a national paper in page 12. Feed them and it will make it's way to page 1, starve them and they will eventually die off. They are slowly getting lifted and while it will never be enough or to the extent of what happened in the past it's better this way. Don't give them martyrs or a reason to continue, show them up for what they are, toothless, leaderless no mandate or direction.
Quote from: stew on February 27, 2013, 04:40:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2013, 11:15:13 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on February 27, 2013, 10:45:05 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2013, 10:38:21 AM
Quote from: trileacman on February 27, 2013, 10:18:32 AM
This is madness, the pigs do nothing whilst all this was raging and now that things have quietened they start to stir it all up again. Fraizer will never be charged with anything and all the PSNI have achieved is to lend support to the "fleg" suggestions that the state is now against them and their "culture".
Dammed if they do and dammed if they don't?
They will have the same supporters now as they had at the height of the fleg protesting malarkey so there is no real difference lifting them now as it would have been then, other than the fact that hopefully they have some hard evidence of them organising these illegal protests.
History will show that if you had have went heavy handed and beat them off the streets they would have had more sympathy from their own and more numbers, also the politicans on their side would have baked them up. So I think on this issue you are wrong
History will also have shown that they had no problems beating 7 shades of shite out of the Catholics and they they used both rubber bullets and Plastic bullets as well as truncheons and water cannon, not so much agin the unionists/loyalists!
You are the one that is wrong.
And how well did that work in terms of getting Nationalists off the street and turning Nationalists to the IRA?
The fugitives latest words of wisdom, you couldn't make it up ........
Thanks everyone for the amazing support, you are are all wonderful people who I have been honoured to stand with. Many of us may have our differences but we are all protestant people at the end of it and will all stand united. The PSNIRA tried to appease Sinn Fein by arresting me and Wille, but it has backfired badly. They have now wasted thousands of tax payers money ch...asing a law abiding British citizen on behalf of the IRA. I will not hand myself in to this fascist state, would the Jews have volunteered themselves to the Nazis with the benefit of hindsight? Il take a lesson from history on that one. I am ashamed of our so called police force who have now emancipated themselves from the law abiding Protestant people. I am proud of every single action I have taken in defence of our homeland and to borrow the words of a famous song 'I will go to my grave before I'll be a slave'.
Quote from: angermanagement on February 28, 2013, 12:48:39 PM
The fugitives latest words of wisdom, you couldn't make it up ........
Thanks everyone for the amazing support, you are are all wonderful people who I have been honoured to stand with. Many of us may have our differences but we are all protestant people at the end of it and will all stand united. The PSNIRA tried to appease Sinn Fein by arresting me and Wille, but it has backfired badly. They have now wasted thousands of tax payers money ch...asing a law abiding British citizen on behalf of the IRA. I will not hand myself in to this fascist state, would the Jews have volunteered themselves to the Nazis with the benefit of hindsight? Il take a lesson from history on that one. I am ashamed of our so called police force who have now emancipated themselves from the law abiding Protestant people. I am proud of every single action I have taken in defence of our homeland and to borrow the words of a famous song 'I will go to my grave before I'll be a slave'.
Actually that famous song has the words
"And before I'd be a slave I'll be buried in my grave"
Quote from: angermanagement on February 28, 2013, 12:48:39 PM
The fugitives latest words of wisdom, you couldn't make it up ........
Thanks everyone for the amazing support, you are are all wonderful people who I have been honoured to stand with. Many of us may have our differences but we are all protestant people at the end of it and will all stand united. The PSNIRA tried to appease Sinn Fein by arresting me and Wille, but it has backfired badly. They have now wasted thousands of tax payers money ch...asing a law abiding British citizen on behalf of the IRA. I will not hand myself in to this fascist state, would the Jews have volunteered themselves to the Nazis with the benefit of hindsight? Il take a lesson from history on that one. I am ashamed of our so called police force who have now emancipated themselves from the law abiding Protestant people. I am proud of every single action I have taken in defence of our homeland and to borrow the words of a famous song 'I will go to my grave before I'll be a slave'.
Good God :-[
Quote from: angermanagement on February 28, 2013, 12:48:39 PM
The fugitives latest words of wisdom, you couldn't make it up ........
Thanks everyone for the amazing support, you are are all wonderful people who I have been honoured to stand with. Many of us may have our differences but we are all protestant people at the end of it and will all stand united. The PSNIRA tried to appease Sinn Fein by arresting me and Wille, but it has backfired badly. They have now wasted thousands of tax payers money ch...asing a law abiding British citizen on behalf of the IRA. I will not hand myself in to this fascist state, would the Jews have volunteered themselves to the Nazis with the benefit of hindsight? Il take a lesson from history on that one. I am ashamed of our so called police force who have now emancipated themselves from the law abiding Protestant people. I am proud of every single action I have taken in defence of our homeland and to borrow the words of a famous song 'I will go to my grave before I'll be a slave'.
Does Godwins law apply to spouting off in youtube videos?
Comparing himself to Jews and to slaves - He is such a victim!!!
I was listening to a BBC podcast about Rosa Parks the other day and she's got nothing on the boul Jamie!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOYuhLNwh3A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOYuhLNwh3A)
"the law abiding Protestant people"
If I hear that line one more time .......
Arrest him, lock him in a cell and bate the shite out of the **** with cuts of Wavin until he cries for his mammy, see what he thinks of his 'crusade' then!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 28, 2013, 01:30:15 PM
Arrest him, lock him in a cell and bate the shite out of the **** with cuts of Wavin until he cries for his mammy, see what he thinks of his 'crusade' then!
Leave him alone seriously, could you think of anyone better to lead this crusade than this pseudo intellectual, every time he appears on the TV he does what ever cause he stands for more harm than good. If this is the calibre of leader the law abiding British citizens (I mean loyal subjects) of east Belfast want to follow then long may it continue. Long live Willie and Jamie! ;)
Long live Willie and Jamie ;D
Quote from: NAG1 on February 28, 2013, 01:40:12 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 28, 2013, 01:30:15 PM
Arrest him, lock him in a cell and bate the shite out of the **** with cuts of Wavin until he cries for his mammy, see what he thinks of his 'crusade' then!
Leave him alone seriously, could you think of anyone better to lead this crusade than this pseudo intellectual, every time he appears on the TV he does what ever cause he stands for more harm than good. If this is the calibre of leader the law abiding British citizens (I mean loyal subjects) of east Belfast want to follow then long may it continue. Long live Willie and Jamie! ;)
You see I agree with you NAG but I really feel he needs a good f**king over. He has that hateful wee rattish look about his face that I would take immense pleasure in bating.
Wullie is from South Armagh somewhere and Jamie is a proud law abiding citizen of Kilcooley in Bangor, can the people of East Belfast not get their own intelligent orator to voice their opinions?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 28, 2013, 01:43:35 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on February 28, 2013, 01:40:12 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 28, 2013, 01:30:15 PM
Arrest him, lock him in a cell and bate the shite out of the **** with cuts of Wavin until he cries for his mammy, see what he thinks of his 'crusade' then!
Leave him alone seriously, could you think of anyone better to lead this crusade than this pseudo intellectual, every time he appears on the TV he does what ever cause he stands for more harm than good. If this is the calibre of leader the law abiding British citizens (I mean loyal subjects) of east Belfast want to follow then long may it continue. Long live Willie and Jamie! ;)
You see I agree with you NAG but I really feel he needs a good f**king over. He has that hateful wee rattish look about his face that I would take immense pleasure in bating.
Couldnt agree more, but then he might get some sympathy that he certainly doesnt deserve better to watch him slowly making a d**k out of himself each time he appears.
Quote from: johnneycool on February 28, 2013, 01:44:02 PM
Wullie is from South Armagh somewhere and Jamie is a proud law abiding citizen of Kilcooley in Bangor, can the people of East Belfast not get their own intelligent orator to voice their opinions?
I think the two lads are doing a great job at the moment let them tear away ;)
If Wullie and Rat Boy pass for intellects in the Loyal Sons of Ulster community then they are to be pitied.
But like BC1 I do feel a dose of an ash plant would do no harm.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 28, 2013, 01:52:49 PM
If Wullie and Rat Boy pass for intellects in the Loyal Sons of Ulster community then they are to be pitied.
But like BC1 I do feel a dose of an ash plant would do no harm.
Show your support...............
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Never mind the PSNI, the fashion police should be having words with both of them.
Willie has been charged with a number of public order offences ;D
Looking forward to his next YouTube installment.
A wee spell in the B&B I wonder?
Hopefully these two jokers are prosecuted heard a story about a flegger who was acting the big hard man on the street when he was lifted, although when it was confirmed that bail had been refused and he would have to serve his remand at Maghaberry he turned to a blubbering mess. Tighten then in my opinion I just pray it happens though.
I think we'd all have to agree that psni tactics so far were the right one's
Quote from: Boghopper on February 28, 2013, 10:33:44 PM
Hopefully these two jokers are prosecuted heard a story about a flegger who was acting the big hard man on the street when he was lifted, although when it was confirmed that bail had been refused and he would have to serve his remand at Maghaberry he turned to a blubbering mess. Tighten then in my opinion I just pray it happens though.
Tighten them ?
They could be a lot looser by the time they get out !
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http://www.u.tv/utvplayer/video/150502/123928
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The comedy show goes on and on...
Who's going to come up with tomorrow's newspaper headlines? Frazer was caught with a tazer gun and has been denied bail (he said he thought the tazer was a cattle prod). Bwyson's on hunger strike!
Quote from: ONeill on March 01, 2013, 12:30:53 AM
http://www.u.tv/utvplayer/video/150502/123928
One of the participants in that video looks like Didi Hamann! Freaky.
What I always find interesting the pro-Irish side tend to refer to themselves as nationalists, republicans, Irish, Ulstermen, by their county of origin, North of Irelandmen, Northern Irish first etc. The pro-British side seem to mostly refer to themselves as Protestant first.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 01, 2013, 12:18:20 PM
What I always find interesting the pro-Irish side tend to refer to themselves as nationalists, republicans, Irish, Ulstermen, by their county of origin, North of Irelandmen, Northern Irish first etc. The pro-British side seem to mostly refer to themselves as Protestant first.
Interesting point. You never hear 'Catholic' used in that context.
I wonder how many of these 'Protestants' attend their Church every Sunday?
QuoteI wonder how many of these 'Protestants' attend their Church every Sunday?
500 years after the Reformation WTF are they still protesting about?
Wee Willie not getting bail, be some craic now!
Quote from: EC Unique on March 01, 2013, 12:26:48 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 01, 2013, 12:18:20 PM
What I always find interesting the pro-Irish side tend to refer to themselves as nationalists, republicans, Irish, Ulstermen, by their county of origin, North of Irelandmen, Northern Irish first etc. The pro-British side seem to mostly refer to themselves as Protestant first.
Interesting point. You never hear 'Catholic' used in that context.
I wonder how many of these 'Protestants' attend their Church every Sunday?
They seem more interested in their rights as Protestants rather than their rights as United Kingdom citizens, British citizens, Irish citizens or residents of Northern Ireland. Is this because the U.K. & Ireland or the concepts of Irish, British or Northern Irish try (often fail, esp. in the past) to give all people under their umbrella a level of equality, but a religious affiliation gives a decree from a higher power of the superiority of one group over another.
I have come across even seemingly liberal pro-UK N.Irish friends and they seem to be Irish all but "they are Protestant", they have to differentiate themselves by saying "I'm Protestant", while I would differentiate myself by "I'm Irish". These friends cannot tell me anything about any variation of Protestantism, they do not attent church and some appear to be as Atheist as me, but they are "Protestant" ::)
These same people I have to explain to them what the St.Patrick's Cross is.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 01, 2013, 01:30:30 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on March 01, 2013, 12:26:48 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 01, 2013, 12:18:20 PM
What I always find interesting the pro-Irish side tend to refer to themselves as nationalists, republicans, Irish, Ulstermen, by their county of origin, North of Irelandmen, Northern Irish first etc. The pro-British side seem to mostly refer to themselves as Protestant first.
Interesting point. You never hear 'Catholic' used in that context.
I wonder how many of these 'Protestants' attend their Church every Sunday?
They seem more interested in their rights as Protestants rather than their rights as United Kingdom (citizens) subjects, British (citizens) subjects, Irish citizens or residents of Northern Ireland. Is this because the U.K. & Ireland or the concepts of Irish, British or Northern Irish try (often fail, esp. in the past) to give all people under their umbrella a level of equality, but a religious affiliation gives a decree from a higher power of the superiority of one group over another.
I have come across even seemingly liberal pro-UK N.Irish friends and they seem to be Irish all but "they are Protestant", they have to differentiate themselves by saying "I'm Protestant", while I would differentiate myself by "I'm Irish". These friends cannot tell me anything about any variation of Protestantism, they do not attent church and some appear to be as Atheist as me, but they are "Protestant" ::)
These same people I have to explain to them what the St.Patrick's Cross is.
Fixed that for your mayogodhelpus
QuoteThese friends cannot tell me anything about any variation of Protestantism, they do not attent church and some appear to be as Atheist as me, but they are "Protestant"
If you asked most of these "protestants" who Luther was, they'd probably say a character in Batman. :-\
There is only one place to go to for up to date protest news, and the latest on Jamie and Willy.......
It will brighten up your Friday
Loyalists Against Democracy:
http://www.facebook.com/LoyalistsAgainstDemocracy?fref=ts
Quote from: armaghniac on March 01, 2013, 02:25:55 PM
QuoteThese friends cannot tell me anything about any variation of Protestantism, they do not attent church and some appear to be as Atheist as me, but they are "Protestant"
If you asked most of these "protestants" who Luther was, they'd probably say a character in Batman. :-\
He's Stringer Bell!
Jim dowson arrested now, talk about a brand new spring clean on the first day of the season!!!!! Just keeps giving and giving :D
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Loyalists Against Democracy:
http://www.facebook.com/LoyalistsAgainstDemocracy?fref=ts
Is that page for real? Some of the comment in it suggest that it has a sence of irony.
Quote from: Denn Forever on March 01, 2013, 03:20:36 PM
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Loyalists Against Democracy:
http://www.facebook.com/LoyalistsAgainstDemocracy?fref=ts
Is that page for real? Some of the comment in it suggest that it has a sence of irony.
It is a complete piss take page, although some who comment believe it to be real.
It has been so funny for weeks now, and it just keeps on getting better
"Thank you, your honour, but I would rather stay in jail." lol another classic Willie Frazer quote
just told there by a courier that since Wullie didn't get bail the LAD's have marched on Stormont and blocked the Newtowards road.
Any chance of these lads being shipped over to their beloved Britain and housed in a gaol with the crims from Manchester, Bradford, Birmingham, Walsall, Brixton. Let them boast about their BNP connections there.
Bryson
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Headroom
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Bryson
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Headroom
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Quote from: Denn Forever on March 01, 2013, 03:20:36 PM
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Loyalists Against Democracy:
http://www.facebook.com/LoyalistsAgainstDemocracy?fref=ts
Is that page for real? Some of the comment in it suggest that it has a sence of irony.
Its clearly a satirical page.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 01, 2013, 12:45:32 PM
QuoteI wonder how many of these 'Protestants' attend their Church every Sunday?
500 years after the Reformation WTF are they still protesting about?
Obstensibly, they are protesting about the fact the croppies are no longer on their knees and are not prepared to be treated like shit in their own land by the descendants of the Planters who stole that land in the first place ... alternatively they're just a bunch of bigoted bastards who hate Fenians
Funny stuff from Belfast telegraph. Taunting police - tut tut. But the image of wee Willie trying to stay in the police station, pulling at the cell bars as the cops try to remove him is just too funny!
Fugitive Union flag protest leader Jamie Bryson has been arrested just a day after defiantly appearing on video to taunt PSNI Chief Constable Matt Baggott over his officers' failure to locate him.
And last night police announced that fellow high-profile loyalist Willie Frazer had been charged with a number of offences linked to the ongoing flag furore.
Officers from a special task force set up to investigate crimes linked to the ongoing protests charged the 52-year-old Markethill man last night.
Bryson, the 23-year-old spokesman for the Ulster People's Forum, was apprehended in the Bangor area yesterday for questioning about public order offences.
Loyalists have mounted street protests since early December, when Belfast councillors voted to restrict the flying of the Union flag on the City Hall to designated days only.
Up to 150 police officers have been injured in violent clashes, mostly in east Belfast where paramilitaries were heavily involved in orchestrating the disorder.
Frazer is charged with various offences including three counts of taking part in an unnotified public procession and obstructing traffic in a public place.
He was last night understood to be refusing bail, and would have to be "physically removed" from his cell by police if they wanted him to leave the station.
Supporters mounted a protest outside Musgrave Street police station in Belfast last night, where he was being held.
It followed Bryson's arrest by the Operation Dulcet inquiry team.
He is currently in custody assisting police with their enquiries.
His arrest followed a raid at his Donaghadee home the previous day.
Bryson was not home at the time.
Police then mounted searches of offices in the Kilcooley estate in neighbouring Bangor.
Bryson's car was also towed away during the operation.
Around the time of the raid, Bryson posted a video on Facebook taunting the police for not being able to find him.
"I will not hand myself in to this fascist state," he said.
"I am ashamed of our so-called police force who have now emancipated themselves from the law-abiding Protestant people.
"I am proud of every single action I have taken in defence of our homeland, and to borrow the words of a famous song, 'I will go to my grave before I'll be a slave'."
Last night, the Ulster People's Forum accused the PSNI of political policing, and said it would no longer negotiate with the police over its street protests.
"Jamie and Willie have asked the Ulster People's Forum to make it clear that they are no more important than any of those who have been arrested, and that people should remember that when they take to the streets," the statement from the group added
"Frazer is charged with various offences including three counts of taking part in an unnotified public procession and obstructing traffic in a public place.
He was last night understood to be refusing bail, and would have to be "physically removed" from his cell by police if they wanted him to leave the station."
There might be something in this. I'm sure Nationalists/Republicans might consider softening their positions on occupation if the occupation was limited to prison cells.
Just saw Willie's missus on the news. She's no looker. Faced with a choice of jail or going home to her I think I too would prefer the clink
Wee Wullie is married? :o
I`m away to say a wee prayer
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on March 01, 2013, 06:38:42 PM
Just saw Willie's missus on the news. She's no looker. Faced with a choice of jail or going home to her I think I too would prefer the clink
rough,but after a few jars she would probably get it. ;D
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on March 01, 2013, 06:38:42 PM
Just saw Willie's missus on the news. She's no looker. Faced with a choice of jail or going home to her I think I too would prefer the clink
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So if you are a senior I.R.A. member charged with murder you get bail.
If you are a Prod.charged with basically jay walking you get remanded in jail.
Stamp on the Prods and appease the Provos it seems.
Pricks blocking the road at the cenotaph in Omagh town centre tonight. I'm sure the war dead are saluting the hooded heroes as we speak. Young children only 6-7 years of age stuck in the middle with their parents.
More culture in the corner of a blue moulded piece of bread.
Quote from: dillinger on March 01, 2013, 10:46:45 PM
So if you are a senior I.R.A. member charged with murder you get bail.
If you are a Prod.charged with basically jay walking you get remanded in jail.
Stamp on the Prods and appease the Provos it seems.
dill lad you shouldn't accept a drink from Nallystand its making you sound like him.
Quote from: dillinger on March 01, 2013, 10:46:45 PM
So if you are a senior I.R.A. member charged with murder you get bail.
Must have missed that one on the news this evening.
Liam Campbell's release seems to have been overlooked as well, after the British refused to extradite him to Lithuania.
Quote from: dillinger on March 01, 2013, 10:46:45 PM
So if you are a senior I.R.A. member charged with murder you get bail.
If you are a Prod.charged with basically jay walking you get remanded in jail.
Stamp on the Prods and appease the Provos it seems.
Oscar Pistorius is in the ra??
Quote from: dillinger on March 01, 2013, 10:46:45 PM
So if you are a senior I.R.A. member charged with murder you get bail.
If you are a Prod.charged with basically jay walking you get remanded in jail.
Stamp on the Prods and appease the Provos it seems.
You don't appear to have been paying attention. Willie was given bail but remanded himself in jail so emphatically that the police couldn't get rid of him.
Quote from: Hardy on March 01, 2013, 11:51:04 PM
Quote from: dillinger on March 01, 2013, 10:46:45 PM
So if you are a senior I.R.A. member charged with murder you get bail.
If you are a Prod.charged with basically jay walking you get remanded in jail.
Stamp on the Prods and appease the Provos it seems.
You don't appear to have been paying attention. Willie was given bail but remanded himself in jail so emphatically that the police couldn't get rid of him.
The Judge should have got him threw out.
Quote from: dillinger on March 01, 2013, 10:46:45 PM
So if you are a senior I.R.A. member charged with murder you get bail.
If you are a Prod.charged with basically jay walking you get remanded in jail.
Stamp on the Prods and appease the Provos it seems.
sorry but who are you talking about here? I'm not aware of any senior IRA member charged with murder but hopefully you can fill me in
Frazer was refused bail. He said he will not apply for High Court Bail as he wants to stay in Jail, Shivers is a completely different set of circumstances as the Court do not believe he is likely to reoffend whereas Willie is. The rules for Bail are different to a trail hearing as generally ir relates to the likelihood to re-offend or fail to appear for the hearing or to interfere with witnesses.
Quote from: dillinger on March 01, 2013, 10:46:45 PM
So if you are a senior I.R.A. member charged with murder you get bail.
If you are a Prod.charged with basically jay walking you get remanded in jail.
Stamp on the Prods and appease the Provos it seems.
one day out of the last 45 years or so ? are times a chamging ;)
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Frazer was refused bail. He said he will not apply for High Court Bail as he wants to stay in Jail, Shivers is a completely different set of circumstances as the Court do not believe he is likely to reoffend whereas Willie is. The rules for Bail are different to a trail hearing as[/size] generally ir relates to the likelihood to re-offend or fail to appear for the hearing or to interfere with witnesses.
wullie is trying to do a peter the punt stunt. if he manages to pull it off he'll even more dangerous when he gets out...
my only crime is loyality..
Quote from: lawnseed on March 02, 2013, 01:11:16 AM
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Frazer was refused bail. He said he will not apply for High Court Bail as he wants to stay in Jail, Shivers is a completely different set of circumstances as the Court do not believe he is likely to reoffend whereas Willie is. The rules for Bail are different to a trail hearing as[/size] generally ir relates to the likelihood to re-offend or fail to appear for the hearing or to interfere with witnesses.
wullie is trying to do a peter the punt stunt. if he manages to pull it off he'll even more dangerous when he gets out...
my only crime is loyality..
Ah ffs, Wulbert is not dangerous, he is a twisted imbecile like the rest of his family.
I wish all them former udr bastids got the dunt!
Quote from: glens abu on February 28, 2013, 10:22:38 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 28, 2013, 09:50:33 AM
To change tack slightly, though not totally unrelated we can see from the antic's of Gregory Campbell on twitter the type of shared future the DUP want...Loads of union flegs, marches to commemorate everything from 1690 to 2013...but just let James McClean say he likes the Broad Black Brimmer, what an out cry...shock horror. It's not as if he's playing it outside the Martyrs memorial or pissing through the gate. Unionism is totally unreformable, time SF/SDLP and small u nationalist woke up an smelt the Punjana.
Who is trying to reform them,def not Sinn Fein they are very happy to split them and keep putting the pressure on them at all times,think flag isssue is prime example of this.What do you suggest they do about Gregory?
Oh nothing about Gregory he is such a twat, can't see the contradictions and bigotry in his own remaks but he is class entertainment. As for the rest Nationalism needs to unite to off set the current moves within unionism. I'm not even talking about a UI but a unity amongst all shades of nationalism even those who currently favour the union.
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 04, 2013, 10:54:25 AM
Quote from: glens abu on February 28, 2013, 10:22:38 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 28, 2013, 09:50:33 AM
To change tack slightly, though not totally unrelated we can see from the antic's of Gregory Campbell on twitter the type of shared future the DUP want...Loads of union flegs, marches to commemorate everything from 1690 to 2013...but just let James McClean say he likes the Broad Black Brimmer, what an out cry...shock horror. It's not as if he's playing it outside the Martyrs memorial or pissing through the gate. Unionism is totally unreformable, time SF/SDLP and small u nationalist woke up an smelt the Punjana.
Who is trying to reform them,def not Sinn Fein they are very happy to split them and keep putting the pressure on them at all times,think flag isssue is prime example of this.What do you suggest they do about Gregory?
Oh nothing about Gregory he is such a t**t, can't see the contradictions and bigotry in his own remaks but he is class entertainment. As for the rest Nationalism needs to unite to off set the current moves within unionism. I'm not even talking about a UI but a unity amongst all shades of nationalism even those who currently favour the union.
How can you fit into 'all shades of nationalism' if you favour the union?
Quote from: EC Unique on March 04, 2013, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 04, 2013, 10:54:25 AM
Quote from: glens abu on February 28, 2013, 10:22:38 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 28, 2013, 09:50:33 AM
To change tack slightly, though not totally unrelated we can see from the antic's of Gregory Campbell on twitter the type of shared future the DUP want...Loads of union flegs, marches to commemorate everything from 1690 to 2013...but just let James McClean say he likes the Broad Black Brimmer, what an out cry...shock horror. It's not as if he's playing it outside the Martyrs memorial or pissing through the gate. Unionism is totally unreformable, time SF/SDLP and small u nationalist woke up an smelt the Punjana.
Who is trying to reform them,def not Sinn Fein they are very happy to split them and keep putting the pressure on them at all times,think flag isssue is prime example of this.What do you suggest they do about Gregory?
Oh nothing about Gregory he is such a t**t, can't see the contradictions and bigotry in his own remaks but he is class entertainment. As for the rest Nationalism needs to unite to off set the current moves within unionism. I'm not even talking about a UI but a unity amongst all shades of nationalism even those who currently favour the union.
How can you fit into 'all shades of nationalism' if you favour the union?
Thats where we are at, we have SF and SDLP voters who are pro union at the moment
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 04, 2013, 04:37:17 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on March 04, 2013, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 04, 2013, 10:54:25 AM
Quote from: glens abu on February 28, 2013, 10:22:38 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 28, 2013, 09:50:33 AM
To change tack slightly, though not totally unrelated we can see from the antic's of Gregory Campbell on twitter the type of shared future the DUP want...Loads of union flegs, marches to commemorate everything from 1690 to 2013...but just let James McClean say he likes the Broad Black Brimmer, what an out cry...shock horror. It's not as if he's playing it outside the Martyrs memorial or pissing through the gate. Unionism is totally unreformable, time SF/SDLP and small u nationalist woke up an smelt the Punjana.
Who is trying to reform them,def not Sinn Fein they are very happy to split them and keep putting the pressure on them at all times,think flag isssue is prime example of this.What do you suggest they do about Gregory?
Oh nothing about Gregory he is such a t**t, can't see the contradictions and bigotry in his own remaks but he is class entertainment. As for the rest Nationalism needs to unite to off set the current moves within unionism. I'm not even talking about a UI but a unity amongst all shades of nationalism even those who currently favour the union.
How can you fit into 'all shades of nationalism' if you favour the union?
Thats where we are at, we have SF and SDLP voters who are pro union at the moment
Seems a complete contradiction to me..
QuoteHow can you fit into 'all shades of nationalism' if you favour the union?
People don't "favour the union", they don't think the preparatory work has been done to close to down
I favour tax cuts, now is hardly the time though.
8 protestors at City Hall this eve for the council meeting. Seven heavy-set women and one wee man. A funny pathetic sight.
Quote from: Rois on March 04, 2013, 07:40:30 PM
8 protestors at City Hall this eve for the council meeting. Seven heavy-set women and one wee man. A funny pathetic sight.
Ouch!
Quote from: Rois on March 04, 2013, 07:40:30 PM
8 protestors at City Hall this eve for the council meeting. Seven heavy-set women and one wee man. A funny pathetic sight.
Was it the "no surrender" woman, I miss her. We've had no update on her in ages.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on March 04, 2013, 09:34:31 PM
Quote from: Rois on March 04, 2013, 07:40:30 PM
8 protestors at City Hall this eve for the council meeting. Seven heavy-set women and one wee man. A funny pathetic sight.
Was it the "no surrender" woman, I miss her. We've had no update on her in ages.
Last I heard she was getting tons of prank calls in the Chinese takeaway where she worked. Young lads phoning up with piss-take orders rounded off with requests for No Surrender sauce.
Quote from: michaelg on March 04, 2013, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on March 04, 2013, 09:34:31 PM
Quote from: Rois on March 04, 2013, 07:40:30 PM
8 protestors at City Hall this eve for the council meeting. Seven heavy-set women and one wee man. A funny pathetic sight.
Was it the "no surrender" woman, I miss her. We've had no update on her in ages.
Last I heard she was getting tons of prank calls in the Chinese takeaway where she worked. Young lads phoning up with piss-take orders rounded off with requests for No Surrender sauce.
She'd be bad for business if that was going on!
Any truth in the rumour that Wullie and Jamie are bunking up together in chokey?
Quote from: hardstation on March 04, 2013, 09:52:23 PM
Quote from: michaelg on March 04, 2013, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on March 04, 2013, 09:34:31 PM
Quote from: Rois on March 04, 2013, 07:40:30 PM
8 protestors at City Hall this eve for the council meeting. Seven heavy-set women and one wee man. A funny pathetic sight.
Was it the "no surrender" woman, I miss her. We've had no update on her in ages.
Last I heard she was getting tons of prank calls in the Chinese takeaway where she worked. Young lads phoning up with piss-take orders rounded off with requests for No Surrender sauce.
Turned out the woman who worked in that chinese was a look-a-like.
So they didn't break the mould when they made the Belfast Bigot...
Quote from: EC Unique on March 04, 2013, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 04, 2013, 10:54:25 AM
Quote from: glens abu on February 28, 2013, 10:22:38 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 28, 2013, 09:50:33 AM
To change tack slightly, though not totally unrelated we can see from the antic's of Gregory Campbell on twitter the type of shared future the DUP want...Loads of union flegs, marches to commemorate everything from 1690 to 2013...but just let James McClean say he likes the Broad Black Brimmer, what an out cry...shock horror. It's not as if he's playing it outside the Martyrs memorial or pissing through the gate. Unionism is totally unreformable, time SF/SDLP and small u nationalist woke up an smelt the Punjana.
Who is trying to reform them,def not Sinn Fein they are very happy to split them and keep putting the pressure on them at all times,think flag isssue is prime example of this.What do you suggest they do about Gregory?
Oh nothing about Gregory he is such a t**t, can't see the contradictions and bigotry in his own remaks but he is class entertainment. As for the rest Nationalism needs to unite to off set the current moves within unionism. I'm not even talking about a UI but a unity amongst all shades of nationalism even those who currently favour the union.
How can you fit into 'all shades of nationalism' if you favour the union?
Feck them sellout bastards!
And you are correct, they cannot be nationalists if they want to kiss that aul bags hole!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 04, 2013, 09:50:49 PM
Quote from: michaelg on March 04, 2013, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on March 04, 2013, 09:34:31 PM
Quote from: Rois on March 04, 2013, 07:40:30 PM
8 protestors at City Hall this eve for the council meeting. Seven heavy-set women and one wee man. A funny pathetic sight.
Was it the "no surrender" woman, I miss her. We've had no update on her in ages.
Last I heard she was getting tons of prank calls in the Chinese takeaway where she worked. Young lads phoning up with piss-take orders rounded off with requests for No Surrender sauce.
She'd be bad for business if that was going on!
Any truth in the rumour that Wullie and Jamie are bunking up together in chokey?
Apparently they are indeed "cellies".
Quote from: stew on March 04, 2013, 10:37:29 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on March 04, 2013, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 04, 2013, 10:54:25 AM
Quote from: glens abu on February 28, 2013, 10:22:38 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 28, 2013, 09:50:33 AM
To change tack slightly, though not totally unrelated we can see from the antic's of Gregory Campbell on twitter the type of shared future the DUP want...Loads of union flegs, marches to commemorate everything from 1690 to 2013...but just let James McClean say he likes the Broad Black Brimmer, what an out cry...shock horror. It's not as if he's playing it outside the Martyrs memorial or pissing through the gate. Unionism is totally unreformable, time SF/SDLP and small u nationalist woke up an smelt the Punjana.
Who is trying to reform them,def not Sinn Fein they are very happy to split them and keep putting the pressure on them at all times,think flag isssue is prime example of this.What do you suggest they do about Gregory?
Oh nothing about Gregory he is such a t**t, can't see the contradictions and bigotry in his own remaks but he is class entertainment. As for the rest Nationalism needs to unite to off set the current moves within unionism. I'm not even talking about a UI but a unity amongst all shades of nationalism even those who currently favour the union.
How can you fit into 'all shades of nationalism' if you favour the union?
Feck them sellout b**tards!
And you are correct, they cannot be nationalists if they want to kiss that aul bags hole!
You currently residing in Armagh?
Exactly
Quote from: Minder on March 04, 2013, 10:41:21 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 04, 2013, 09:50:49 PM
Quote from: michaelg on March 04, 2013, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on March 04, 2013, 09:34:31 PM
Quote from: Rois on March 04, 2013, 07:40:30 PM
8 protestors at City Hall this eve for the council meeting. Seven heavy-set women and one wee man. A funny pathetic sight.
Was it the "no surrender" woman, I miss her. We've had no update on her in ages.
Last I heard she was getting tons of prank calls in the Chinese takeaway where she worked. Young lads phoning up with piss-take orders rounded off with requests for No Surrender sauce.
She'd be bad for business if that was going on!
Any truth in the rumour that Wullie and Jamie are bunking up together in chokey?
Apparently they are indeed "cellies".
Imagine being stuck in a cell with Wullie :-\ No crime deserves that punishment.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 04, 2013, 07:50:22 PM
Quote from: Rois on March 04, 2013, 07:40:30 PM
8 protestors at City Hall this eve for the council meeting. Seven heavy-set women and one wee man. A funny pathetic sight.
Ouch!
Cat fight! lol
My mum would call them stout.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 04, 2013, 10:53:02 PM
Quote from: stew on March 04, 2013, 10:37:29 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on March 04, 2013, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 04, 2013, 10:54:25 AM
Quote from: glens abu on February 28, 2013, 10:22:38 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 28, 2013, 09:50:33 AM
To change tack slightly, though not totally unrelated we can see from the antic's of Gregory Campbell on twitter the type of shared future the DUP want...Loads of union flegs, marches to commemorate everything from 1690 to 2013...but just let James McClean say he likes the Broad Black Brimmer, what an out cry...shock horror. It's not as if he's playing it outside the Martyrs memorial or pissing through the gate. Unionism is totally unreformable, time SF/SDLP and small u nationalist woke up an smelt the Punjana.
Who is trying to reform them,def not Sinn Fein they are very happy to split them and keep putting the pressure on them at all times,think flag isssue is prime example of this.What do you suggest they do about Gregory?
Oh nothing about Gregory he is such a t**t, can't see the contradictions and bigotry in his own remaks but he is class entertainment. As for the rest Nationalism needs to unite to off set the current moves within unionism. I'm not even talking about a UI but a unity amongst all shades of nationalism even those who currently favour the union.
How can you fit into 'all shades of nationalism' if you favour the union?
Feck them sellout b**tards!
And you are correct, they cannot be nationalists if they want to kiss that aul bags hole!
You currently residing in Armagh?
Nah but I lived there for 35 years! what the feck is your point?
BTW, I always vote, I am an Irish citizen and only an Irish citizen, is that enough of an Irishman for you?
Tallaght Stadium this evening (Linfield down to play Shamrock Rovers):
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Though I believe the stadium rang out with "There's only one flag in Ireland", and they do have to hoist it (their rag) somewhere! :)
Quote from: stew on March 05, 2013, 12:32:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 04, 2013, 10:53:02 PM
Quote from: stew on March 04, 2013, 10:37:29 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on March 04, 2013, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 04, 2013, 10:54:25 AM
Quote from: glens abu on February 28, 2013, 10:22:38 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 28, 2013, 09:50:33 AM
To change tack slightly, though not totally unrelated we can see from the antic's of Gregory Campbell on twitter the type of shared future the DUP want...Loads of union flegs, marches to commemorate everything from 1690 to 2013...but just let James McClean say he likes the Broad Black Brimmer, what an out cry...shock horror. It's not as if he's playing it outside the Martyrs memorial or pissing through the gate. Unionism is totally unreformable, time SF/SDLP and small u nationalist woke up an smelt the Punjana.
Who is trying to reform them,def not Sinn Fein they are very happy to split them and keep putting the pressure on them at all times,think flag isssue is prime example of this.What do you suggest they do about Gregory?
Oh nothing about Gregory he is such a t**t, can't see the contradictions and bigotry in his own remaks but he is class entertainment. As for the rest Nationalism needs to unite to off set the current moves within unionism. I'm not even talking about a UI but a unity amongst all shades of nationalism even those who currently favour the union.
How can you fit into 'all shades of nationalism' if you favour the union?
Feck them sellout b**tards!
And you are correct, they cannot be nationalists if they want to kiss that aul bags hole!
You currently residing in Armagh?
Nah but I lived there for 35 years! what the feck is your point?
BTW, I always vote, I am an Irish citizen and only an Irish citizen, is that enough of an Irishman for you?
When it's all sorted we'll give you a shout about coming back.
There are many people out there who call themselves nationalists, who vote SF and SDLP, but who are currently prounion fact!! Now whether that is only in current circumstances or whether they will need some persuading is not relevent. They are quite happy to send the kids to catholic schools, stand for the anthem at GAA matches under the Tricolour, live in mainly nationalist/catholic areas, many support Ulster Rugby, call themselves Irish or Northern Irish, they know they are not unionists but they are content with the staus quo.
The two nationalist parties need to acknowledge this and if they are serious about a unified Ireland they need to take steps to get these people on board before even thinking about Unionists.
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 05, 2013, 10:27:28 AM
There are many people out there who call themselves nationalists, who vote SF and SDLP, but who are currently prounion fact!! Now whether that is only in current circumstances or whether they will need some persuading is not relevent. They are quite happy to send the kids to catholic schools, stand for the anthem at GAA matches under the Tricolour, live in mainly nationalist/catholic areas, many support Ulster Rugby, call themselves Irish or Northern Irish, they know they are not unionists but they are content with the staus quo.
The two nationalist parties need to acknowledge this and if they are serious about a unified Ireland they need to take steps to get these people on board before even thinking about Unionists.
I think if push came to shove Applesisapples there would be more for a united Ireland than the pool suggested. What steps have they done lately to make that happen?
I'm sure there will be an influx of ex pats heading back from the States and where ever else they headed off to for good jobs and a better way of life. Have to laugh at some who have had enough of this place headed away, but sure they'll come back :o
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 05, 2013, 09:31:36 AM
Quote from: stew on March 05, 2013, 12:32:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 04, 2013, 10:53:02 PM
Quote from: stew on March 04, 2013, 10:37:29 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on March 04, 2013, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 04, 2013, 10:54:25 AM
Quote from: glens abu on February 28, 2013, 10:22:38 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 28, 2013, 09:50:33 AM
To change tack slightly, though not totally unrelated we can see from the antic's of Gregory Campbell on twitter the type of shared future the DUP want...Loads of union flegs, marches to commemorate everything from 1690 to 2013...but just let James McClean say he likes the Broad Black Brimmer, what an out cry...shock horror. It's not as if he's playing it outside the Martyrs memorial or pissing through the gate. Unionism is totally unreformable, time SF/SDLP and small u nationalist woke up an smelt the Punjana.
Who is trying to reform them,def not Sinn Fein they are very happy to split them and keep putting the pressure on them at all times,think flag isssue is prime example of this.What do you suggest they do about Gregory?
Oh nothing about Gregory he is such a t**t, can't see the contradictions and bigotry in his own remaks but he is class entertainment. As for the rest Nationalism needs to unite to off set the current moves within unionism. I'm not even talking about a UI but a unity amongst all shades of nationalism even those who currently favour the union.
How can you fit into 'all shades of nationalism' if you favour the union?
Feck them sellout b**tards!
And you are correct, they cannot be nationalists if they want to kiss that aul bags hole!
You currently residing in Armagh?
Nah but I lived there for 35 years! what the feck is your point?
BTW, I always vote, I am an Irish citizen and only an Irish citizen, is that enough of an Irishman for you?
When it's all sorted we'll give you a shout about coming back.
You'll give me fcuk all you condescending muppet!
Quote from: stew on March 05, 2013, 02:23:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 05, 2013, 09:31:36 AM
Quote from: stew on March 05, 2013, 12:32:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 04, 2013, 10:53:02 PM
Quote from: stew on March 04, 2013, 10:37:29 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on March 04, 2013, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 04, 2013, 10:54:25 AM
Quote from: glens abu on February 28, 2013, 10:22:38 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 28, 2013, 09:50:33 AM
To change tack slightly, though not totally unrelated we can see from the antic's of Gregory Campbell on twitter the type of shared future the DUP want...Loads of union flegs, marches to commemorate everything from 1690 to 2013...but just let James McClean say he likes the Broad Black Brimmer, what an out cry...shock horror. It's not as if he's playing it outside the Martyrs memorial or pissing through the gate. Unionism is totally unreformable, time SF/SDLP and small u nationalist woke up an smelt the Punjana.
Who is trying to reform them,def not Sinn Fein they are very happy to split them and keep putting the pressure on them at all times,think flag isssue is prime example of this.What do you suggest they do about Gregory?
Oh nothing about Gregory he is such a t**t, can't see the contradictions and bigotry in his own remaks but he is class entertainment. As for the rest Nationalism needs to unite to off set the current moves within unionism. I'm not even talking about a UI but a unity amongst all shades of nationalism even those who currently favour the union.
How can you fit into 'all shades of nationalism' if you favour the union?
Feck them sellout b**tards!
And you are correct, they cannot be nationalists if they want to kiss that aul bags hole!
You currently residing in Armagh?
Nah but I lived there for 35 years! what the feck is your point?
BTW, I always vote, I am an Irish citizen and only an Irish citizen, is that enough of an Irishman for you?
When it's all sorted we'll give you a shout about coming back.
You'll give me fcuk all you condescending muppet!
Yeah, very good. I'm very hurt.
Once the debate about the united Ireland is up and running you can join in and give your view from 3000 miles away :'(
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 05, 2013, 10:41:07 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 05, 2013, 10:27:28 AM
There are many people out there who call themselves nationalists, who vote SF and SDLP, but who are currently prounion fact!! Now whether that is only in current circumstances or whether they will need some persuading is not relevent. They are quite happy to send the kids to catholic schools, stand for the anthem at GAA matches under the Tricolour, live in mainly nationalist/catholic areas, many support Ulster Rugby, call themselves Irish or Northern Irish, they know they are not unionists but they are content with the staus quo.
The two nationalist parties need to acknowledge this and if they are serious about a unified Ireland they need to take steps to get these people on board before even thinking about Unionists.
I think if push came to shove Applesisapples there would be more for a united Ireland than the pool suggested. What steps have they done lately to make that happen?
I'm sure there will be an influx of ex pats heading back from the States and where ever else they headed off to for good jobs and a better way of life. Have to laugh at some who have had enough of this place headed away, but sure they'll come back :o
If you are referring to me we left because we were sick of being treated like second class citizens in our own country, we also couldn't stand the fact we ere killing one another.
One murder of a young woman I grew up with was a game changer, that and we did not want our kids to grow up in the north as we found it an unpleasant place to live.
As for your comment on living in the states and the reasons why, you don't know me but again you and that skull clampett seem to think that living out of Ireland deems me and everyone else who lives abroad are somehow unfit to have an opinion, you are an odious clon, as is the skill, oh and ignorant too!
Quote from: stew on March 05, 2013, 02:38:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 05, 2013, 10:41:07 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 05, 2013, 10:27:28 AM
There are many people out there who call themselves nationalists, who vote SF and SDLP, but who are currently prounion fact!! Now whether that is only in current circumstances or whether they will need some persuading is not relevent. They are quite happy to send the kids to catholic schools, stand for the anthem at GAA matches under the Tricolour, live in mainly nationalist/catholic areas, many support Ulster Rugby, call themselves Irish or Northern Irish, they know they are not unionists but they are content with the staus quo.
The two nationalist parties need to acknowledge this and if they are serious about a unified Ireland they need to take steps to get these people on board before even thinking about Unionists.
I think if push came to shove Applesisapples there would be more for a united Ireland than the pool suggested. What steps have they done lately to make that happen?
I'm sure there will be an influx of ex pats heading back from the States and where ever else they headed off to for good jobs and a better way of life. Have to laugh at some who have had enough of this place headed away, but sure they'll come back :o
If you are referring to me we left because we were sick of being treated like second class citizens in our own country, we also couldn't stand the fact we ere killing one another.
One murder of a young woman I grew up with was a game changer, that and we did not want our kids to grow up in the north as we found it an unpleasant place to live.
As for your comment on living in the states and the reasons why, you don't know me but again you and that skull clampett seem to think that living out of Ireland deems me and everyone else who lives abroad are somehow unfit to have an opinion, you are an odious clon, as is the skill, oh and ignorant too!
Could give you loads of stories about the troubles I've seen or relatives lost in the troubles or dragged into it, so save it.
No one is kissing anyones aul bags hole either, if you want to debate about a united Ireland and why it will be so good then tell the doubters why it would be better, as for being treated like a second class citizens that's another bullshit remark, I've never felt like that and most people I know have never felt that either
Quote from: stew on March 05, 2013, 02:38:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 05, 2013, 10:41:07 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 05, 2013, 10:27:28 AM
There are many people out there who call themselves nationalists, who vote SF and SDLP, but who are currently prounion fact!! Now whether that is only in current circumstances or whether they will need some persuading is not relevent. They are quite happy to send the kids to catholic schools, stand for the anthem at GAA matches under the Tricolour, live in mainly nationalist/catholic areas, many support Ulster Rugby, call themselves Irish or Northern Irish, they know they are not unionists but they are content with the staus quo.
The two nationalist parties need to acknowledge this and if they are serious about a unified Ireland they need to take steps to get these people on board before even thinking about Unionists.
I think if push came to shove Applesisapples there would be more for a united Ireland than the pool suggested. What steps have they done lately to make that happen?
I'm sure there will be an influx of ex pats heading back from the States and where ever else they headed off to for good jobs and a better way of life. Have to laugh at some who have had enough of this place headed away, but sure they'll come back :o
If you are referring to me we left because we were sick of being treated like second class citizens in our own country, we also couldn't stand the fact we ere killing one another.
One murder of a young woman I grew up with was a game changer, that and we did not want our kids to grow up in the north as we found it an unpleasant place to live.
As for your comment on living in the states and the reasons why, you don't know me but again you and that skull clampett seem to think that living out of Ireland deems me and everyone else who lives abroad are somehow unfit to have an opinion, you are an odious clon, as is the skill, oh and ignorant too!
Don't think I mentioned you are why you left.
The only thing you need to know is that Stew is about to reach for his shotgun.
Quote from: Main Street on March 05, 2013, 05:00:35 PM
The only thing you need to know is that Stew is about to reach for his shotgun.
A I don't have one,never did and B I have a small caliber pistola.
Why would I need a gun?
Or maybe he's homesick? You're not missing much.
Quote from: stew on March 05, 2013, 05:32:46 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 05, 2013, 05:00:35 PM
The only thing you need to know is that Stew is about to reach for his shotgun.
A I don't have one,never did and B I have a small caliber pistola.
Why would I need a gun?
A small caliber pistola? that would be a pea shooter and not a gun, per se?
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/rankin-closes-flagship-restaurant-29155794.html (http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/rankin-closes-flagship-restaurant-29155794.html)
Celebrity chef Paul Rankin, who once owned a string of eateries across Ireland, blamed the continuing Union flag protests for his decision to close his flagship restaurant,
Quote from: muppet on March 26, 2013, 02:04:43 PM
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/rankin-closes-flagship-restaurant-29155794.html (http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/rankin-closes-flagship-restaurant-29155794.html)
Celebrity chef Paul Rankin, who once owned a string of eateries across Ireland, blamed the continuing Union flag protests for his decision to close his flagship restaurant,
Did he?
"The once 'golden mile' of Belfast has suffered badly from a lack of regeneration and a general decline in popularity and appearance, even the Ulster Bank with its gable end statues across from us is to close shortly," he added.
"Location is key in the restaurant business, particularly at a time of economic downturn, and our current setting is no longer sustainable. The disturbances around the flag protest, particularly during the Christmas period, also confirmed our decision."I think he blamed the lack of regeneration in the area and the economic downturn to an extent. Sounds like the fleg protests only confirmed his decision.
That's a load of rubbish.
His lease is up on his last remaining restaurant in Belfast (the rest shut due to economic pressures BEFORE the flag protests) and since he opened down there the Cathedral Quarter etc has taken off, leaving his restaurant in an area that is no longer attractive (if it ever was - it is right beside Sandy Row and just down the block from the NI Supporters Club).
I'm sure the flag protests weren't good for his business, but it is also a restaurant at the upper end of the scale in Belfast and would have been impacted long before the flag protests. It is an easy excuse now to give for his badly performing restaurant.
On a side note, how are the fleggers holding up under the barrage of snow, or, in solidarity with their brothers, are they remaining indoors? Is it a case of "No Surrender" or "No Brrrrrrrender"?
A senior Orange Order cleric complained yesterday that the Unionist Forum was a useless pile of shite (or words to that effect).
As all good upstanding prods had hoped, the protests seem to be slowly fizzling out. It has left us with a plethora of huge british flags littering all the main highways, which is good, because for a while there I thought I was living in Ireland.
I've heard a whisper of another protest in Omagh on Thursday evening. Don't know if it'll amount to anything.
Quote from: ziggysego on March 26, 2013, 04:43:23 PM
I've heard a whisper of another protest in Omagh on Thursday evening. Don't know if it'll amount to anything.
With temperatures around zero I would doubt if it will amount to much!
Psni played a blinder lads.
Quote from: Rois on March 26, 2013, 02:46:09 PM
That's a load of rubbish.
His lease is up on his last remaining restaurant in Belfast (the rest shut due to economic pressures BEFORE the flag protests) and since he opened down there the Cathedral Quarter etc has taken off, leaving his restaurant in an area that is no longer attractive (if it ever was - it is right beside Sandy Row and just down the block from the NI Supporters Club).
I'm sure the flag protests weren't good for his business, but it is also a restaurant at the upper end of the scale in Belfast and would have been impacted long before the flag protests. It is an easy excuse now to give for his badly performing restaurant.
He should have converted it to an ethnic Scottish Restaurant, selling deep fried mars bars, scotch pies and vintage Irn Bru...staple diet of the locals!
DESIGNATED DAYS FOR FLYING THE UNION FLAG*
*Source Department of Culture, Media and Sport and subject to review
20 January Birthday of The Countess of Wessex
6 February Her Majesty's Accession
19 February Birthday of The Duke of York
14 March Commonwealth Day (second Monday in March)
10 March Birthday of The Earl of Wessex
17 March St Patrick's Day
21 April Birthday of Her Majesty The Queen
9 May Europe Day
2 June Coronation Day
10 June Birthday of The Duke of Edinburgh
11 June Official Celebration of Her Majesty's Birthday
17 July Birthday of The Duchess of Cornwall
15 August Birthday of The Princess Royal
13 November Remembrance Day (second Sunday)
14 November Birthday of The Prince of Wales
20 November Her Majesty's Wedding Day
Opening of Parliament by HM The Queen
Closing of Parliament by HM The Queen
22nd July.
I take it if one of them pops their clogs then the date of their birthday/wedding anniversary etc is removed from the list?
Quote from: EC Unique on July 23, 2013, 09:35:00 AM
I take it if one of them pops their clogs then the date of their birthday/wedding anniversary etc is removed from the list?
Nope, they will be frozen and taken out every year and paraded on their traditional day on their traditional route, until someone accidentally defrosts them.
Why is the national day of our country degraded by the flying of this foreign flag? And why isn't anyone in the 32 Counties showing some balls and insisting on the removal of our Patron Saint's flag from the British flag, and our Coat of Arms removed from the British Coat of Arms flag?
Quote from: Aerlik on July 24, 2013, 03:52:54 PM
Why is the national day of our country degraded by the flying of this foreign flag? And why isn't anyone in the 32 Counties showing some balls and insisting on the removal of our Patron Saint's flag from the British flag, and our Coat of Arms removed from the British Coat of Arms flag?
For a start our patron saint's flag is actually a british invention, solely for the purpose i believe of being added to the union jack. personally i'd have no affinity with it.
Quote from: Aerlik on July 24, 2013, 03:52:54 PM
Why is the national day of our country degraded by the flying of this foreign flag? And why isn't anyone in the 32 Counties showing some balls and insisting on the removal of our Patron Saint's flag from the British flag, and our Coat of Arms removed from the British Coat of Arms flag?
Plus one.
¿Donde estamos los huevos?
Quote from: Aerlik on July 24, 2013, 03:52:54 PM
Why is the national day of our country degraded by the flying of this foreign flag? And why isn't anyone in the 32 Counties showing some balls and insisting on the removal of our Patron Saint's flag from the British flag, and our Coat of Arms removed from the British Coat of Arms flag?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Flag_President_of_Ireland.svg/220px-Flag_President_of_Ireland.svg.png)
Quote from: Aerlik on July 24, 2013, 03:52:54 PM
Why is the national day of our country degraded by the flying of this foreign flag? And why isn't anyone in the 32 Counties showing some balls and insisting on the removal of our Patron Saint's flag from the British flag, and our Coat of Arms removed from the British Coat of Arms flag?
Errr.... have you heard of the Good Friday Agreement and the referendum(s) (a)?? accepting its terms one of which is that the 6 Cos. remain part of the YUK till a majority in the 6 Cos. decide otherwise?.
Anyway when and where they want to fly it and what sort of a flag the Brits have is their own business.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on July 23, 2013, 12:53:24 AM
DESIGNATED DAYS FOR FLYING THE UNION FLAG*
*Source Department of Culture, Media and Sport and subject to review
20 January Birthday of The Countess of Wessex
6 February Her Majesty's Accession
19 February Birthday of The Duke of York
13 March Commonwealth Day (second Monday in March)
10 March Birthday of The Earl of Wessex
17 March St Patrick's Day
21 April Birthday of Her Majesty The Queen
9 May Europe Day
2 June Coronation Day
10 June Birthday of The Duke of Edinburgh
11 June Official Celebration of Her Majesty's Birthday
17 July Birthday of The Duchess of Cornwall
15 August Birthday of The Princess Royal
13 November Remembrance Day (second Sunday)
14 November Birthday of The Prince of Wales
20 November Her Majesty's Wedding Day
Opening of Parliament by HM The Queen
Closing of Parliament by HM The Queen
22nd July.
Busy 7 Days for the flag hoisters
Anyone know of any big parties being thrown for Edward's birthday?
Those dates are not in chronological order. I smell a rat.
Cookstown has nice new flegs up already.
And I see a £40M greenway in Belfast is now littered with pallets and tyres, 4 months before the Bing night.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on March 11, 2017, 02:02:12 PM
And I see a £40M greenway in Belfast is now littered with pallets and tyres, 4 months before the Bing night.
Some middle class lady out for a walk and being interviewed said that "the tyres were a disgrace, they should only be burning wood"