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Title: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: OakleafCounty on October 17, 2012, 08:48:47 AM
Why hang a Jack Russel?
I'm sure you've all read or heard that yesterday someone in Limavady saw fit to take a family owned Jack Russel out of its kennel and hang it to death. In the past few months we've also heard of people setting dogs on fire and sticking fireworks to cats. I remember when I was young I heard about boys in Strabane putting a cat in a plastic bag and playing football with it.

Am I missing something here? Why would someone commit an act of such evil against small animals? As a society we are more educated than ever. Even people who don't have an exam to their name still went to school and were taught the basics of right and wrong not that we should need school for that.

Basically what I'm asking is: Will an element of evil always exist in society no matter how well educated we are?

To posters of a more advanced stage in life than my 28 years: Has this sort of thing always gone on or is it a new phenomenon where people get a kick out of torturing and murdering defenseless animals?
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: seafoid on October 17, 2012, 08:51:52 AM
Quote from: OakleafCounty on October 17, 2012, 08:48:47 AM
Why hang a Jack Russel?
I'm sure you've all read or heard that yesterday someone in Limavady saw fit to take a family owned Jack Russel out of its kennel and hang it to death. In the past few months we've also heard of people setting dogs on fire and sticking fireworks to cats. I remember when I was young I heard about boys in Strabane putting a cat in a plastic bag and playing football with it.

Am I missing something here? Why would someone commit an act of such evil against small animals? As a society we are more educated than ever. Even people who don't have an exam to their name still went to school and were taught the basics of right and wrong not that we should need school for that.

Basically what I'm asking is: Will an element of evil always exist in society no matter how well educated we are?

To posters of a more advanced stage in life than my 28 years: Has this sort of thing always gone on or is it a new phenomenon where people get a kick out of torturing and murdering defenseless animals?
Every society has disturbed people. I don't know if education can eradicate this.

Limavady is Leim an Mhadaigh isn't it, not Croch an Madra
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: OakleafCounty on October 17, 2012, 08:57:19 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 17, 2012, 08:51:52 AM
Quote from: OakleafCounty on October 17, 2012, 08:48:47 AM
Why hang a Jack Russel?
I'm sure you've all read or heard that yesterday someone in Limavady saw fit to take a family owned Jack Russel out of its kennel and hang it to death. In the past few months we've also heard of people setting dogs on fire and sticking fireworks to cats. I remember when I was young I heard about boys in Strabane putting a cat in a plastic bag and playing football with it.

Am I missing something here? Why would someone commit an act of such evil against small animals? As a society we are more educated than ever. Even people who don't have an exam to their name still went to school and were taught the basics of right and wrong not that we should need school for that.

Basically what I'm asking is: Will an element of evil always exist in society no matter how well educated we are?

To posters of a more advanced stage in life than my 28 years: Has this sort of thing always gone on or is it a new phenomenon where people get a kick out of torturing and murdering defenseless animals?
Every society has disturbed people. I don't know if education can eradicate this.

Limavady is Leim an Mhadaigh isn't it, not Croch an Madra
I think it's the first one. Means 'dogs leap' or something.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Club Rossa on October 17, 2012, 08:58:06 AM
That's them Derry wans for ye.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: nrico2006 on October 17, 2012, 09:18:58 AM
I have heard of that incident in Strabane and I remember another one about `0 years ago where someone in Strabane wedged a banger under a cats collar and set it off. 

It takes a certain deranged individual to be able to be so evil to an animal, and I definitely believe that anybody capable of doing something like this has the potential to do something pretty harmful to another human being.  These crimes aren't punished as seriously as they are committed against animals, but I definitely think there should be more severe sentences for anybody caught doing stuff like this.   
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Franko on October 17, 2012, 10:26:28 AM
Anyone caught doing anything like this to an animal should be forced to sign some sort of a register - akin to the sex offenders equivalent.  The same conditions should apply after this - ie. you can't work with kids/vulnerable adults etc etc.  Anyone capable of doing this poses a serious risk to society in general.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Hardy on October 17, 2012, 11:02:56 AM
Quote from: OakleafCounty on October 17, 2012, 08:48:47 AM
Why hang a Jack Russel?
I'm sure you've all read or heard that yesterday someone in Limavady saw fit to take a family owned Jack Russel out of its kennel and hang it to death. In the past few months we've also heard of people setting dogs on fire and sticking fireworks to cats. I remember when I was young I heard about boys in Strabane putting a cat in a plastic bag and playing football with it.

Am I missing something here? Why would someone commit an act of such evil against small animals? As a society we are more educated than ever. Even people who don't have an exam to their name still went to school and were taught the basics of right and wrong not that we should need school for that.

Basically what I'm asking is: Will an element of evil always exist in society no matter how well educated we are?

To posters of a more advanced stage in life than my 28 years: Has this sort of thing always gone on or is it a new phenomenon where people get a kick out of torturing and murdering defenseless animals?

In my opinion, it's psychopathic behaviour. So, to answer your question, it has always gone on. Psychopathy has always been with us and I don't know of any measured change in the incidence of psychopathy in society.

Having said that, I was interested in the case made on Richard Dawkins's "Sex, Death and the Meaning of Life" on More 4 the other night that human behaviour (towards other humans, at least) is improving with the growth of reason and the decline of religion. Stephen Pinker pointed to striking statistics on reduced incidence of violent crime in Western society in recent years, as well as a dramatic drop in the numbers killed in wars in this generation. I'm not in a position to comment on the accuracy of the statistics but, though this proposition jars with generally observed huge increases in the murder rate, for instance, as compared with fifty years ago, it's fascinating and worthy of further inquiry.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Rois on October 17, 2012, 11:14:30 AM
Ok, so I picked this up from Criminal Minds the other night, but the triad of behaviours that, if presented together, could indicate later violent tendancies are
a. Cruelty to animals
b. Obesession with setting fire to things
c. Bed-wetting after the age of 5

Just googled, it's called the MacDonald Triad (and widely disputed).

Thought of it when I heard about this story yesterday.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Cold tea on October 17, 2012, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: Rois on October 17, 2012, 11:14:30 AM
Ok, so I picked this up from Criminal Minds the other night, but the triad of behaviours that, if presented together, could indicate later violent tendancies are
a. Cruelty to animals
b. Obesession with setting fire to things
c. Bed-wetting after the age of 5
Just googled, it's called the MacDonald Triad (and widely disputed).

Thought of it when I heard about this story yesterday.

What if you piss yourself after a night on the beer!
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 17, 2012, 12:28:55 PM
Quote from: Rois on October 17, 2012, 11:14:30 AM
Ok, so I picked this up from Criminal Minds the other night, but the triad of behaviours that, if presented together, could indicate later violent tendancies are
a. Cruelty to animals
b. Obesession with setting fire to things
c. Bed-wetting after the age of 5

Just googled, it's called the MacDonald Triad (and widely disputed).

Thought of it when I heard about this story yesterday.

If you have only one out of three, are your alright? lol

But on a serious note, are most of these people males?
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: The Iceman on October 17, 2012, 01:30:02 PM
there may be something going on there behind the scenes that has not been revealed? I remember a dispute in Armagh town many years ago between two neighbours and one neighbour took a spade and chopped the other neighbours wee dog's head off. Any Armagh posters on here should remember it.

The slaughter of Animals for meat, the packing in of Chickens in sheds for eggs, the trauma caused to calves reared for veal, the hanging of turkeys for our Christmas Dinners....none of this can surely be a pleasant experience for the animals? Yet we all sit up and enjoy the end result......

Therein probably lies the answer. We disconnect ourselves from the "animals" on our plates and the people that "torture" dogs have likely disconnected themselves from the "pets"
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: OakleafCounty on October 17, 2012, 02:02:35 PM
There's rules in place to ensure animals bred for food are slaughtered in as humane a manner possible. Granted those rules are sometimes broken.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: The Iceman on October 17, 2012, 02:23:33 PM
turkeys are hung as part of that same process are they not? in fact i think they are hung upside down for a long period of time before they die?
doesn't stop us all digging in on december 25th...
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 17, 2012, 02:28:44 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on October 17, 2012, 02:23:33 PM
turkeys are hung as part of that same process are they not? in fact i think they are hung upside down for a long period of time before they die?
doesn't stop us all digging in on december 25th...

So don't eat meat? There is a big difference from hanging someones pet dog than a Turkey being slaughtered for food.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: supersarsfields on October 17, 2012, 02:43:40 PM
I'd say it's the same result from the animal's point of view.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Hardy on October 17, 2012, 03:06:44 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on October 17, 2012, 02:23:33 PM
turkeys are hung as part of that same process are they not? in fact i think they are hung upside down for a long period of time before they die?
doesn't stop us all digging in on december 25th...

Hung? As in hung by the neck until dead? Certainly not in regulated factories. There may be some confusion due to the fact that they are hung upside down (by the legs) from an overhead conveyor for a few seconds as their heads pass through an electrically charged water bath which stuns them. Their necks are then cut by machine. About as humane as it could be, I'd say.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: supersarsfields on October 17, 2012, 03:16:19 PM
Jeez, so they get the whole toaster in a bathtub treatment before getting their throats cut? It's us that are the animals!!

:D
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Puckoon on October 17, 2012, 03:25:30 PM
Supersarsfields did you not visit Moy Park with us in 7th year?

The process is exactly as Hardy described it.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: supersarsfields on October 17, 2012, 03:39:10 PM
I did indeed Puck, The smell was imprinted into my brain for a long time after.

I was only messing. I enjoy my Christmas dinner better than most and am sorry to say the turkey doesn't really get much of a thought other than if it's hot enough!!
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: The Iceman on October 17, 2012, 05:53:23 PM
Men who rear turkeys in mushroom houses or sheds for The Chirstmas season wouldn't follow the Moy Park or factory way. I've seen houses full of turkeys hung upside down til they die. Some places may slice the vein that feeds the brain and therefore they are brain dead before they are body dead and the blood runs out.
My point is we all are at the end of the assembly line with the knives and forks at the ready. An animal is an animal -you can't pick and choose which you cry about.....
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Franko on October 17, 2012, 06:00:25 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on October 17, 2012, 05:53:23 PM
Men who rear turkeys in mushroom houses or sheds for The Chirstmas season wouldn't follow the Moy Park or factory way. I've seen houses full of turkeys hung upside down til they die. Some places may slice the vein that feeds the brain and therefore they are brain dead before they are body dead and the blood runs out.
My point is we all are at the end of the assembly line with the knives and forks at the ready. An animal is an animal -you can't pick and choose which you cry about.....

I think you are missing the obvious distinction here Iceman.  A turkey is hung at Christmas so that when it subsequently dies it will provide food/income - i.e. for a reason.  This dog was killed solely because the perpetrator enjoyed harming it which is something entirely different.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: nifan on October 17, 2012, 06:05:45 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on October 17, 2012, 05:53:23 PM
Men who rear turkeys in mushroom houses or sheds for The Chirstmas season wouldn't follow the Moy Park or factory way. I've seen houses full of turkeys hung upside down til they die. Some places may slice the vein that feeds the brain and therefore they are brain dead before they are body dead and the blood runs out.
My point is we all are at the end of the assembly line with the knives and forks at the ready. An animal is an animal -you can't pick and choose which you cry about.....

Not like you to be so at odds with catholic teaching - i had thought you aimed to follow it pretty closely

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a7.htm (http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a7.htm)

Respect for the integrity of creation  is the interesting section

"2415 The seventh commandment enjoins respect for the integrity of creation. Animals, like plants and inanimate beings, are by nature destined for the common good of past, present, and future humanity.195 Use of the mineral, vegetable, and animal resources of the universe cannot be divorced from respect for moral imperatives. Man's dominion over inanimate and other living beings granted by the Creator is not absolute; it is limited by concern for the quality of life of his neighbor, including generations to come; it requires a religious respect for the integrity of creation.196

2416 Animals are God's creatures. He surrounds them with his providential care. By their mere existence they bless him and give him glory.197 Thus men owe them kindness. We should recall the gentleness with which saints like St. Francis of Assisi or St. Philip Neri treated animals.

2417 God entrusted animals to the stewardship of those whom he created in his own image.198 Hence it is legitimate to use animals for food and clothing. They may be domesticated to help man in his work and leisure. Medical and scientific experimentation on animals is a morally acceptable practice if it remains within reasonable limits and contributes to caring for or saving human lives.

2418 It is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer or die needlessly. It is likewise unworthy to spend money on them that should as a priority go to the relief of human misery. One can love animals; one should not direct to them the affection due only to persons."
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: The Iceman on October 17, 2012, 07:04:01 PM
What have I said that goes against what you posted...
I simply pointed out the level of cruelty that we are all end benefactors of in one way or another......

Is cruelty ok then if its for food or income?
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Eamonnca1 on October 17, 2012, 07:13:51 PM
I don't know about you but I've noticed a lot more of these animal cruelty stories popping up in local papers in recent years.  Maybe with the end of the troubles there's more room for this kind of story.  Either way I agree that it needs to be taken seriously and punished with the full force of the law. 

As for meat, I stopped eating meat in January and haven't looked back. The reasons:

Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Family guy on October 17, 2012, 07:30:26 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on October 17, 2012, 05:53:23 PM
Men who rear turkeys in mushroom houses or sheds for The Chirstmas season wouldn't follow the Moy Park or factory way. I've seen houses full of turkeys hung upside down til they die. Some places may slice the vein that feeds the brain and therefore they are brain dead before they are body dead and the blood runs out.
My point is we all are at the end of the assembly line with the knives and forks at the ready. An animal is an animal -you can't pick and choose which you cry about.....

I know a fella used to keep a few turkeys for christmas and i asked him one night how did he kill them,well this is how he did it,he used to drop a road traffic cone over the turkey so that its head popped through,he then swiftly cut the turkeys head off,it then could not run about as it was inside the cone,and before yous say how could it run if its dead,i think they can still move about because of nerves or something
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: nifan on October 17, 2012, 08:56:44 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on October 17, 2012, 07:04:01 PM
What have I said that goes against what you posted...
I simply pointed out the level of cruelty that we are all end benefactors of in one way or another......

Is cruelty ok then if its for food or income?


When you said "An animal is an animal -you can't pick and choose which you cry about....." in the context of the discussion, and considering previous posts of yours concerning animal treatment, doesnt seem sit well with the whole preventing suffering etc.
People can choose to "cry" over one that has been cruelly treated, but not over an animal killed for a purpose in a way that prevents it suffering more than necessary.

Do you agree with, and live by the passage ive quoted above?
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 17, 2012, 09:06:21 PM
theres nothing like going off the beaten path comparing eating turkeys, to hanging dogs, setting fire to dogs, throwing acid at dogs, lifting a cat and throwing it to the dogs. The reality is there more than a fair share of scumbags (for such a small island we got a dis portionally amount of scumbags) out there, and the law pretty lame to enforce any sort of penalties. personally  i hang the p***k of a tree for 20secs and see how he likes it. No fear of the law and lack of retribution along with borderline socialpath tendencies is the reason these things happen. Babies getting beat to death, a drunken man stabbing a woman in the head (gets 4yrs), society in general is literally away to the dogs. i never really heard of cruelty to animals on a scale we currently have. People value another person life so little, so hows an animal gotta fair against this type of person. As as been said here already, animal cruelty is the stepping stone to cruelty to people,and would need hit on the bud early on, we rather bitch about parades instead of tackling the problems which really affect our society.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: The Iceman on October 17, 2012, 09:20:12 PM
Quote from: nifan on October 17, 2012, 08:56:44 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on October 17, 2012, 07:04:01 PM
What have I said that goes against what you posted...
I simply pointed out the level of cruelty that we are all end benefactors of in one way or another......

Is cruelty ok then if its for food or income?


When you said "An animal is an animal -you can't pick and choose which you cry about....." in the context of the discussion, and considering previous posts of yours concerning animal treatment, doesnt seem sit well with the whole preventing suffering etc.
People can choose to "cry" over one that has been cruelly treated, but not over an animal killed for a purpose in a way that prevents it suffering more than necessary.

Do you agree with, and live by the passage ive quoted above?
what difference does it make to you what "passage I live by"? do you think I have the catechism papered in my bedroom?
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on October 17, 2012, 09:30:25 PM
My Guess? Mind altering substances, be it drink or drugs.
Mix that with a few people getting together, having f**k all else to do and you get the incidents that are mentioned on this thread.


Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Zulu on October 17, 2012, 09:44:22 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on October 17, 2012, 07:04:01 PM
What have I said that goes against what you posted...
I simply pointed out the level of cruelty that we are all end benefactors of in one way or another......

Is cruelty ok then if its for food or income?

I think you've an incredibly strange outlook on this. Of course you can differentiate between killing an animal for food or for fun, sure you can differentiate between the killing of humans too. Most people would view differently a man who killed another man while protecting his infant child from attack and a man who killed another simply cause he was bored.

The issue here is the motivation behind such cruelty and not simply the act itself. Anyone convicted of extreme cruelty to animals for entertainment should be thrown in a 30 foot hole for 40 years and feed dog shit for their meals. They're not much above pedophiles in my book.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: nifan on October 17, 2012, 10:01:03 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on October 17, 2012, 09:20:12 PM
what difference does it make to you what "passage I live by"? do you think I have the catechism papered in my bedroom?

No difference to me at all, it is just your varying view on a lot of threads with regards to religious observation.

On topics you agree with the catholic church you say you follow all teachings of the catholic church (naturalism, gay marriage etc), but this one you dont seem to be so sure on (wasnt there a cats thread also)
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: haveaharp on October 17, 2012, 11:25:33 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 17, 2012, 09:06:21 PM
theres nothing like going off the beaten path comparing eating turkeys, to hanging dogs, setting fire to dogs, throwing acid at dogs, lifting a cat and throwing it to the dogs. The reality is there more than a fair share of scumbags (for such a small island we got a dis portionally amount of scumbags) out there, and the law pretty lame to enforce any sort of penalties. personally  i hang the p***k of a tree for 20secs and see how he likes it. No fear of the law and lack of retribution along with borderline socialpath tendencies is the reason these things happen. Babies getting beat to death, a drunken man stabbing a woman in the head (gets 4yrs), society in general is literally away to the dogs. i never really heard of cruelty to animals on a scale we currently have. People value another person life so little, so hows an animal gotta fair against this type of person. As as been said here already, animal cruelty is the stepping stone to cruelty to people,and would need hit on the bud early on, we rather bitch about parades instead of tackling the problems which really affect our society.


Cruelty to animals is cruelty full stop and the person able to do it for fun is possibly one to watch. I am not a bleeding heart, i like fishing, i like shooting, but believe if you are not going to eat what you are trying to catch then dont be at it.

Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on October 18, 2012, 07:52:16 AM
Does this behaviour count for pulling the wings off flies or holding a magnifying glass over an ant?

Do insects count in this?

I remember seeing one fella when I was younger catching a crow in his chicken coop then throwing a bag over it and kicking it and beating it with a stick. The same boy used to catch fish and put a banger down its mouth and blow it up.

Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: OakleafCounty on October 18, 2012, 09:13:05 AM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on October 18, 2012, 07:52:16 AM
Does this behaviour count for pulling the wings off flies or holding a magnifying glass over an ant?

Do insects count in this?

I remember seeing one fella when I was younger catching a crow in his chicken coop then throwing a bag over it and kicking it and beating it with a stick. The same boy used to catch fish and put a banger down its mouth and blow it up.

I would say it's the same thing if not similar. There is no need to be pulling wings off a fly or blowing up a fish.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: AZOffaly on October 18, 2012, 09:32:39 AM
If you pull the wings off a fly, should it not then be called a walk?

Sorry.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on October 18, 2012, 09:37:04 AM
Quote from: OakleafCounty on October 18, 2012, 09:13:05 AM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on October 18, 2012, 07:52:16 AM
Does this behaviour count for pulling the wings off flies or holding a magnifying glass over an ant?

Do insects count in this?

I remember seeing one fella when I was younger catching a crow in his chicken coop then throwing a bag over it and kicking it and beating it with a stick. The same boy used to catch fish and put a banger down its mouth and blow it up.

I would say it's the same thing if not similar. There is no need to be pulling wings off a fly or blowing up a fish.

What about killing a fly with a newspaper then?

Killing a mouse in a trap?
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: OakleafCounty on October 18, 2012, 10:55:35 AM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on October 18, 2012, 09:37:04 AM

What about killing a fly with a newspaper then?

Killing a mouse in a trap?

Completely different. It's humane and it's needed to be done.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 18, 2012, 12:54:35 PM
Another thread that has lost the run of itself ::)
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: The Iceman on October 18, 2012, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: OakleafCounty on October 18, 2012, 10:55:35 AM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on October 18, 2012, 09:37:04 AM

What about killing a fly with a newspaper then?

Killing a mouse in a trap?

Completely different. It's humane and it's needed to be done.
How can you make that determination? Why is your final call on these animals any different to me killing cats (that I see as Vermin that are shitting all over my garden and causing possible danger to my children)?

@NI FAN I never said once it was ok to hang or torture a dog - I just pointed out that we are all guilty in one way or another of being part of some animal cruelty if we choose to look at it that way....
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: nifan on October 18, 2012, 01:18:13 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on October 18, 2012, 01:15:54 PM
@NI FAN I never said once it was ok to hang or torture a dog - I just pointed out that we are all guilty in one way or another of being part of some animal cruelty if we choose to look at it that way....

you said we cant choose which to cry over- but of course we can "cry" over mistreated while not over others
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 18, 2012, 01:57:04 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on October 18, 2012, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: OakleafCounty on October 18, 2012, 10:55:35 AM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on October 18, 2012, 09:37:04 AM

What about killing a fly with a newspaper then?

Killing a mouse in a trap?

Completely different. It's humane and it's needed to be done.
How can you make that determination? Why is your final call on these animals any different to me killing cats (that I see as Vermin that are shitting all over my garden and causing possible danger to my children)?

@NI FAN I never said once it was ok to hang or torture a dog - I just pointed out that we are all guilty in one way or another of being part of some animal cruelty if we choose to look at it that way....
For me, there are no hard and fast rules. I think the issue of motivation determines the rectitude of the action. In common or garden language, if you honestly feel that your action, or that of anyone else in a similar situation,, is justified, then I'd seriously consider exterminating those cats.
Feral cats are known to carry a large number of diseases and can be a health hazard for humans and domestic pets.I'd probably contact the DSPCA in my case and ask for advice and help if possible before I'd take any pre-emptive action and I'd try to deter the pests for entering my property with repellants of some sort before I'd consider killing the intruders.
However, in the case of the dog that was hanged, no such considerations exist. That was sadism, pure and simple.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Eamonnca1 on October 18, 2012, 05:40:59 PM
Insects are just little robots, but I'd seriously worry about someone who gets pleasure from pulling them apart. Didn't Jeffrey Dahmer start his careers as a necrophiliac serial killer by being cruel to squirrels?

Iceman's attitude to cats is appalling. If any neighbour of mine were poisoning cats I'd report him to the police and make sure he's named and shamed in the local press as the sick f**k he is.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: The Iceman on October 18, 2012, 06:26:44 PM
Eamonn they are feral cats that are being fed. there is an epidemic in my township and animal control will not do anything about it. If I try to trap them I can risk being sued if I have the trap open and live before 8am and after 2pm, dont have it covered by an umbrella and don't have food and water in the trap for the animal.
As Nar pointed out these cats carry loads of diseases and I am not having them shit on my lawn or anywhere else around my house.
Throw handbags at me again and I really will call in to say hello next time i'm in town. you can keep it civil.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Eamonnca1 on October 18, 2012, 08:50:30 PM
You can deal with feral cats without murdering them.  I hauled away to the humane society three stray kittens from my complex a few weeks ago armed with just a handful of food, a cat carrier, and a length of string attached to the door to pull it closed. It's not that difficult.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 18, 2012, 09:00:34 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on October 18, 2012, 06:26:44 PM
Eamonn they are feral cats that are being fed. there is an epidemic in my township and animal control will not do anything about it. If I try to trap them I can risk being sued if I have the trap open and live before 8am and after 2pm, dont have it covered by an umbrella and don't have food and water in the trap for the animal.
As Nar pointed out these cats carry loads of diseases and I am not having them shit on my lawn or anywhere else around my house.
Throw handbags at me again and I really will call in to say hello next time i'm in town. you can keep it civil.

Will you use turkey killing tactics?

I could murder a beef burger, but I'm worried about the poor cow
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: The Iceman on October 18, 2012, 09:57:03 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 18, 2012, 08:50:30 PM
You can deal with feral cats without murdering them.  I hauled away to the humane society three stray kittens from my complex a few weeks ago armed with just a handful of food, a cat carrier, and a length of string attached to the door to pull it closed. It's not that difficult.
why don't you come on over to NJ sure and see what you can do. these arent kittens - they are wild cats that wont come near you living out of a shed up the street owned by a friggin hoarder. She has a house full of cats and wild ones about outside. Some were poisoned, some were shot and I have no regrets in killing vermin. You can be as self righteous as you want about it but it wont make your hair grow back.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Eamonnca1 on October 18, 2012, 10:19:34 PM
If someone's hoarding cats in poor conditions then they can be reported to the authorities.

And you can be as obnoxious as you like but it doesn't change the fact that your actions are contemptible and cowardly. I'd love to come over to NJ and catch you in the act so I can report you to the cops, but unfortunately I lead a busy life. Too busy to deal with the likes of you.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Gaaboardmod3 on October 19, 2012, 09:23:52 AM
Eamonn, Iceman, can I please draw your attention to Rule 9, which ye both are coming perilously close to breaking. Every thread ye come into contact with each other  descends into a battle between the 2 of you.  It's obvious ye don't see eye to eye, but if you cannot respond to each other without pathetic threats, name calling or 'playing the man' constantly, then both of you will be banned. I advise both of you to use the 'ignore' function. Go to your own profile, and Edit your Ignore list to add each other.

Obviously I'd prefer if you could just be civil with each other, but if not, then please ignore the other.

Also, Iceman, that last insinuation you made is out of order, and I have deleted it.

Thanks
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: The Iceman on October 19, 2012, 01:34:35 PM
My insinuation was vague enough that only he would understand.
I can keep it civil but I've never had any time for bullies and I won't be pushed.....
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: seafoid on October 19, 2012, 02:10:11 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on October 19, 2012, 01:34:35 PM
My insinuation was vague enough that only he would understand.
I can keep it civil but I've never had any time for bullies and I won't be pushed.....
Iceman

Gaaboardmod has the final decision on what constitutes "morally straight" around here
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Eamonnca1 on October 19, 2012, 04:26:20 PM
Thanks for letting me know about the Ignore feature. I've added him to the list.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: The Iceman on October 19, 2012, 04:53:18 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 19, 2012, 04:26:20 PM
Thanks for letting me know about the Ignore feature. I've added him to the list.

I love this ignore feature :)
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Gaaboardmod3 on October 19, 2012, 04:57:36 PM
The Ban feature is even better :D
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: trueblue1234 on October 19, 2012, 05:05:21 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 19, 2012, 04:26:20 PM
Thanks for letting me know about the Ignore feature. I've added him to the list.

Your awful forgetful.

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 27, 2012, 04:52:16 AM
If you're just going to throw the rattle out of the pram and shout abuse then consider yourself on ignore like that other clown, Stew.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Eamonnca1 on October 19, 2012, 06:11:49 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on October 19, 2012, 05:05:21 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 19, 2012, 04:26:20 PM
Thanks for letting me know about the Ignore feature. I've added him to the list.

Your awful forgetful.

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 27, 2012, 04:52:16 AM
If you're just going to throw the rattle out of the pram and shout abuse then consider yourself on ignore like that other clown, Stew.
"You're."

I've just added him to the list as well. Up to now I was skipping over his stuff, but now I don't even have to see it. Should make life more pleasant for everyone. God knows I find it tedious when I see other people getting into a ding-dong so I shouldn't be getting into it myself.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: The Iceman on October 19, 2012, 06:18:57 PM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on October 19, 2012, 04:57:36 PM
The Ban feature is even better :D

Ban me for calling someone an asshole? But don't mention anything about him calling me a "sick f***"  :o

Strange inconsistent officiating. He follows me around on threads poking for a fight and for the most part i do try to leave it but like I said before he is a bully boy.

Funny that this thread is about Jack Russells.......perfect example in nature of small man syndrome displayed by aforementioned poster.....

Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on October 19, 2012, 07:11:48 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on October 19, 2012, 06:18:57 PM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on October 19, 2012, 04:57:36 PM
The Ban feature is even better :D

Ban me for calling someone an asshole? But don't mention anything about him calling me a "sick f***"  :o

Strange inconsistent officiating. He follows me around on threads poking for a fight and for the most part i do try to leave it but like I said before he is a bully boy.

Funny that this thread is about Jack Russells.......perfect example in nature of small man syndrome displayed by aforementioned poster.....

I like this post
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Main Street on October 19, 2012, 07:19:01 PM
I wouldn't argue with Ziggy when he puts on his mod hat.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Gaaboardmod3 on October 19, 2012, 07:19:17 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on October 19, 2012, 06:18:57 PM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on October 19, 2012, 04:57:36 PM
The Ban feature is even better :D

Ban me for calling someone an asshole? But don't mention anything about him calling me a "sick f***"  :o

Strange inconsistent officiating. He follows me around on threads poking for a fight and for the most part i do try to leave it but like I said before he is a bully boy.

Funny that this thread is about Jack Russells.......perfect example in nature of small man syndrome displayed by aforementioned poster.....

Not quite. I don't want to ban anyone, but if you continue to trade insults AFTER I have warned you both, then I will.

The reason I warned ye both in the first place is because of the silly name calling that was going on, on both sides, and I don';t want any more of it.
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 19, 2012, 08:05:15 PM
For what its worth Iceman is a sound chap, a bit fundalmentalist for my liking but I won't hold it against him :P  As for thon other fella, typical Oirish American.

Anyway, cruelty to dogs is simply plain wrong.  I have no issue about killing to eat but I have a great issue with killing or torturing for sick 'pleasure.'

NB the one caveat to this is the torture of cats, I hate cats.  Slanty eyed, sneaky bastards, they would have your eye out if they thought they could make something out if it!  f**king Spar bag and a pile of stones and the Fane River!!!
Title: Re: Why hang a Jack Russel?
Post by: Puckoon on October 19, 2012, 08:17:26 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 19, 2012, 08:05:15 PM
For what its worth Iceman is a sound chap, a bit fundalmentalist for my liking but I won't hold it against him :P  As for thon other fella, typical Oirish American.

:o