I find this case to be intriguing so I am starting a topic on it. A husband and wife murdered in the company of their children one of whom is seriously injured. A woman in their company hardly known to the little girl possibly an Iraqi or of Iraqi origin also murdered in the car with them. A French cyclist passing by also shot to wliminate him as a potential witness.
One theory is: All this is discovered by a plain clothes member of the British military. An RAF man out for a cycle. Given the Iraqis were assassinated and discovered by a plain clothes member of the British Military, Britain having been at war with Iraq in the recent past, some people are beginning to think the British had them under surveillence. The RAF man seeing the injured child collapse on the road in front of him was obliged to call it in. He might not have if he hadn't seen an injured child. It was a competent maybe professional assassination with no chances taken, no adult witnesses left alive.
The other theory is that the family were rich when they were in Iraq and their could be a lot of money connected to the family. Killing off one half of the family would make the other half a lot richer.
Does anybody have any opinions on this?
didnt get it for nothing
My God would you catch yourself on!!
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 08, 2012, 12:50:24 PM
My God would you catch yourself on!!
here here
I thought the third adult was the granny, is this not corect?
The older woman had a Swedish passport and was not well known to the little girl. I wonder who the french cyclist who was shot had anything to do with it?
Quote from: Denn Forever on September 08, 2012, 01:47:50 PM
I wonder who the french cyclist who was shot had anything to do with it?
Wrong place wrong time I'd imagine.
So the older dead woman is likely the mother in law (granny) according to the BBC. The guardian this morning defined her as hardly known to the little girl so I assumed not the granny. The RAF man was retired but why have the media defined him as an RAF man if he is just a pensioner.
It looks like an Iraqi family feud over money. That country has been brutalised and radicalised by war and finding somebody to shoot somebody becomes a more straight forward matter.
Quote from: here comes 6 on September 08, 2012, 12:40:01 PM
didnt get it for nothing
You really are a moron. What did the 2 little girls do to deserve this?
ffs. Aye, they were under surveillance. The brits sent along their undercover surveillance people, that is, the Royal Air Force, to keep an eye on them. They only gave them bicycles though, so those who were to be watched were able to evade them for long enough to get shot. And yes, once he saw the child, he must have realised the game was up for their little game of spys. It'd be impossible for them to get the situation sorted without admitting they had the whole shooting match (ironically however, except the actual shooting match) under surveillance. The lad who did it was also a superb hitman, who made a deliberate decision to leave the kids alive, as thats the way he rolls.
Before we all jump on 6 for being a little blunt, we should perhaps remember that the reason theres a thread on this,and why we've all posted, is because we all are thinking pretty much that.
Myles, interestingly by asking that you're suggesting that there the others might have done something to deserve getting blown away in a car at the foot of alps, whilst on holiday.
Quote from: haranguerer on September 09, 2012, 10:26:52 AM
ffs. Aye, they were under surveillance. The brits sent along their undercover surveillance people, that is, the Royal Air Force, to keep an eye on them. They only gave them bicycles though, so those who were to be watched were able to evade them for long enough to get shot. And yes, once he saw the child, he must have realised the game was up for their little game of spys. It'd be impossible for them to get the situation sorted without admitting they had the whole shooting match (ironically however, except the actual shooting match) under surveillance. The lad who did it was also a superb hitman, who made a deliberate decision to leave the kids alive, as thats the way he rolls.
Before we all jump on 6 for being a little blunt, we should perhaps remember that the reason theres a thread on this,and why we've all posted, is because we all are thinking pretty much that.
Myles, interestingly by asking that you're suggesting that there the others might have done something to deserve getting blown away in a car at the foot of alps, whilst on holiday.
He left the 7 year old kid "alive" by shooting her in the shoulder and beating her into a coma, fracturing her skull in the process. "The way he rolls" also allows for shooting a seemingly innocent passer-by on a bike to eradicate any witnesses.
As for what you said about six, don't throw me in with your two fucked-up mentality just because I posted here. When I first heard about this atrocity my reaction wasn't "probably deserved to be shot along with his wife as his 4-year-old daughter watched and heard her sister get beaten into a coma."
Christ. You should learn to read comments if you're going to pass remarks on them. He didnt say it was deserved. He said they didnt get it for nothing - from where I stand I'm taking that as a comment that theres something behind this - it wasnt just a random killing. And we all do think theres more to it or there'd be no interest in it.
As for the other bit you wrote, that exactly backs up my point you dumbass.
Quote from: haranguerer on September 09, 2012, 10:26:52 AM
ffs. Aye, they were under surveillance. The brits sent along their undercover surveillance people, that is, the Royal Air Force, to keep an eye on them. They only gave them bicycles though, so those who were to be watched were able to evade them for long enough to get shot. And yes, once he saw the child, he must have realised the game was up for their little game of spys. It'd be impossible for them to get the situation sorted without admitting they had the whole shooting match (ironically however, except the actual shooting match) under surveillance. The lad who did it was also a superb hitman, who made a deliberate decision to leave the kids alive, as thats the way he rolls.
Before we all jump on 6 for being a little blunt, we should perhaps remember that the reason theres a thread on this,and why we've all posted, is because we all are thinking pretty much that.
Myles, interestingly by asking that you're suggesting that there the others might have done something to deserve getting blown away in a car at the foot of alps, whilst on holiday.
No it doesn't and you know it.
On an internet discussion board, for the sake of argument, it kinda does. You singled them out as completely undeserving of this, which insinuates the others may have. For eg, if the cop making the announcement had said - 'there was an attack, multiple casualties, 3 adults, 2 girls, the girls did nothing to deserve it', is a question not instantly asked in your mind?
I know this wasnt your intention at all, I'm just pointing out how sentences can mean, or insinuate different things. It was relevant as a comparison of sorts to 6s statement, which may or may not have meant what most people seemed to take it to mean.
Actually, hands up - i've just seen 6s post on the spillane thread, so i think i'm mistaken in attempting to give benefit of doubt here!!!
Quote from: haranguerer on September 09, 2012, 09:03:52 PM
Actually, hands up - i've just seen 6s post on the spillane thread, so i think i'm mistaken in attempting to give benefit of doubt here!!!
I think he is another reincarnation of 5ive Times
Quote from: haranguerer on September 09, 2012, 09:03:52 PM
Actually, hands up - i've just seen 6s post on the spillane thread, so i think i'm mistaken in attempting to give benefit of doubt here!!!
:)
The thing about the killer or killers is they were not bothered about killing the kid or kids one who they maybe didn't know about. The adults were finished off the little girl you could say was punished,put to ground or knocked out. That means the adults were the targets. I wonder what that means about their motives.The 4 year old has provided a witness account to an extent and the seven year old will too. The killer was able to kill the innocent adult cyclist witness but not the innocent child witness? It is a bit messy.
With regards the former RAF cyclist I don't know what he is doing there, but until this is worked out he is a spy or a suspect. He may probably be an accidental tourist but we have yet to find out.
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 10, 2012, 04:03:22 AM
The thing about the killer or killers is they were not bothered about killing the kid or kids one who they maybe didn't know about. The adults were finished off the little girl you could say was punished,put to ground or knocked out. That means the adults were the targets. I wonder what that means about their motives.The 4 year old has provided a witness account to an extent and the seven year old will too. The killer was able to kill the innocent adult cyclist witness but not the innocent child witness? It is a bit messy.
With regards the former RAF cyclist I don't know what he is doing there, but until this is worked out he is a spy or a suspect. He may probably be an accidental tourist but we have yet to find out.
What extra insight do you hope to gain into these murders by asking the contributors of the GAA Discussion Board?
I see the bomb squad have bee called to the Surrey home of the family and the cordon around the house has been extended an houses evacuated close to it
Quote from: Square Ball on September 10, 2012, 12:13:54 PM
I see the bomb squad have bee called to the Surrey home of the family and the cordon around the house has been extended an houses evacuated close to it
On the BBC web site now;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19540445
Just idle gossip I suppose or updates like the ones just provided. I knew this would end up going some place interesting.
Quote from: deiseach on September 10, 2012, 10:38:52 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 10, 2012, 04:03:22 AM
The thing about the killer or killers is they were not bothered about killing the kid or kids one who they maybe didn't know about. The adults were finished off the little girl you could say was punished,put to ground or knocked out. That means the adults were the targets. I wonder what that means about their motives.The 4 year old has provided a witness account to an extent and the seven year old will too. The killer was able to kill the innocent adult cyclist witness but not the innocent child witness? It is a bit messy.
With regards the former RAF cyclist I don't know what he is doing there, but until this is worked out he is a spy or a suspect. He may probably be an accidental tourist but we have yet to find out.
What extra insight do you hope to gain into these murders by asking the contributors of the GAA Discussion Board?
Quote from: Denn Forever on September 08, 2012, 01:47:50 PM
The older woman had a Swedish passport and was not well known to the little girl. I wonder who the french cyclist who was shot had anything to do with it?
You might have been onto something there Denn.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248973/French-Alps-shooting-Cyclist-murdered-massacre-involved-bitter-dispute-million-pound-inheritance.html
French Alps murders: Man arrested over Al-Hilli killings
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23031076
A 54-year-old man has been arrested in Surrey in connection with the murders of four people in the French Alps.
The man arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to commit murder is thought to be Mr al-Hilli's brother, Zaid.
Quote from: give her dixie on June 24, 2013, 12:28:59 PM
French Alps murders: Man arrested over Al-Hilli killings
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23031076
A 54-year-old man has been arrested in Surrey in connection with the murders of four people in the French Alps.
The man arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to commit murder is thought to be Mr al-Hilli's brother, Zaid.
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Nasty bit of work.
And that's being kind to him.