Well it's the one I really didn't want and leaves us with an unimaginably tough QF. Still, we've never had the chance to give them a good rattle. Up Donegal!!
This was the one I wanted. Think Donegal can beat them. Who do the winners play in the semis?
You boys.
First ever championship meeting between the teams, winners play Kildare or Cork.
Presuming they bate the lillies!
Should be a cracker.......id say the kerry shower room is quite now ;D
I'd say its quiet enough wherever the Donegal squad is too. Very, very tough game and it will tell some truths about where exactly we are after two impressive Kerry performances. This could be quite a cynical, nasty game as both sides look to slow down the breaking runners. Donegal will certainly want to tighten up after giving up a few half-chances for goals against Tyrone and Down. Definitely fearful of playing Kerry, but f**k it, this is what its all about!
This will be a very tough one for either Kerry or Donegal - 2 sides that have never played each other in championship (Correct me if i'm wrong !) Jim McGuinness will have a fair oul insight into Kerry from his years running about Tralee and playing Sigerson with the RTC.
However I feel we still have the better forwards to shade it.
I predict that this will be a nasty cynical low scoring game and Donegal will retreat further back for this game. I am strangely looking forward to this one though.
Kerry favourites with Paddy Power 8/11.
Donegal 11/8 and draw 15/2.
I'm really looking forward to the contrast in styles.
well its the one i really didnt want but thats life need look forward to it. think we will retreat a bit more than he have a try catch them on the counter one thing is for certain we cant give away goal chances to kerry like we did against tyron and down and we cant afford the slow start like the last day as we will be beat by half time
Quote from: donegal lad on July 28, 2012, 09:43:23 PM
well its the one i really didnt want but thats life need look forward to it. think we will retreat a bit more than he have a try catch them on the counter one thing is for certain we cant give away goal chances to kerry like we did against tyron and down and we cant afford the slow start like the last day as we will be beat by half time
I hope you don't.
Why change now ? Keep doing what you're doing.
Ta tir chonaill ag teacht agus dhera nil ciarrai chomh maith is a bhiodh .
Not exactly the 1/4 final draw either team wanted, but you have to beat whats put in front of you i guess. Its gonna be a bruising encounter. Think we have the game to beat them and if we move the ball quick enough our forwards can do damage...but it is going to be a battle, thats for sure.
It's Gas if Kerry lose, they'll have the Northern thing thrown back in their face again! Can you imagine! ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2012, 10:04:24 PM
It's Gas if Kerry lose, they'll have the Northern thing thrown back in their face again! Can you imagine! ;D
There is no Northern team left.
Forgot about Down, would love to meet them
Down are left and Down are a Northern team.
Indeed Down are thee Northern team and have been since 1960......
Quote from: Seamus on July 28, 2012, 10:35:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2012, 10:04:24 PM
It's Gas if Kerry lose, they'll have the Northern thing thrown back in their face again! Can you imagine! ;D
There is no Northern team left.
All Ulster teams are northern in the GAA, you're thinking of a different sport! :P
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 28, 2012, 10:44:46 PM
Quote from: Seamus on July 28, 2012, 10:35:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2012, 10:04:24 PM
It's Gas if Kerry lose, they'll have the Northern thing thrown back in their face again! Can you imagine! ;D
There is no Northern team left.
All Ulster teams are northern in the GAA, you're thinking of a different sport! :P
+1
Quote from: Seamus on July 28, 2012, 10:35:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2012, 10:04:24 PM
It's Gas if Kerry lose, they'll have the Northern thing thrown back in their face again! Can you imagine! ;D
There is no Northern team left.
Donegal are the most northern team of all.
donegal are the most northernly southerners.
Due to the clash of colours - will Donegal wear white away jerseys and Kerry wear blue?
savage draw. but, like other donegal posters have said... fantastic test for this donegal side. we'll see where we're at come match day. we defend well, we're obviously in with a shout. i'm imagining the worse case scenario has already been considered and mcguinness will have mulled this one. has the potential to be a classic.
canny wait.
make your transition!!
Well if Donegal are serious about winning Sam, they have to beat teams like Kerry. I think they can do it. Will this game be on the same bill as Cork v Kildare?
Quote from: orangeman on July 28, 2012, 09:40:37 PM
I'm really looking forward to the contrast in styles.
There's no contrast in styles, it's two very similar styles clashing. 12 men behind the ball for both teams. The one difference might be Kerry might kick the ball longer a little bit more.
It could be a classic or it could be the worst game of the year!
Quote from: barelegs on July 29, 2012, 01:15:42 AM
Quote from: orangeman on July 28, 2012, 09:40:37 PM
I'm really looking forward to the contrast in styles.
There's no contrast in styles, it's two very similar styles clashing. 12 men behind the ball for both teams. The one difference might be Kerry might kick the ball longer a little bit more.
It could be a classic or it could be the worst game of the year!
Quote from: BennyCake on July 29, 2012, 01:07:21 AM
Well if Donegal are serious about winning Sam, they have to beat teams like Kerry. I think they can do it. Will this game be on the same bill as Cork v Kildare?
saw Donegal in ulster final. They are a serious team with some very good players. they remind me of tyrone when they emerged in 2002/3. pity Kerry to be honest. they have just seen off tyrone and wont really know what will hit them when they play Donegal.
Quote from: redcard on July 29, 2012, 01:23:20 AM
Quote from: barelegs on July 29, 2012, 01:15:42 AM
Quote from: orangeman on July 28, 2012, 09:40:37 PM
I'm really looking forward to the contrast in styles.
There's no contrast in styles, it's two very similar styles clashing. 12 men behind the ball for both teams. The one difference might be Kerry might kick the ball longer a little bit more.
It could be a classic or it could be the worst game of the year!
Quote from: BennyCake on July 29, 2012, 01:07:21 AM
Well if Donegal are serious about winning Sam, they have to beat teams like Kerry. I think they can do it. Will this game be on the same bill as Cork v Kildare?
saw Donegal in ulster final. They are a serious team with some very good players. they remind me of tyrone when they emerged in 2002/3. pity Kerry to be honest. they have just seen off tyrone and wont really know what will hit them when they play Donegal.
::) Yeah poor ol' Kerry...it'll be men against boys shur.
Poor,poor kerry they must be trembling in their little bootsies against those horrible and nasty little northerners,WILL you ever get a grip redcard and don't be making a gom of yourself, kerry will win this,get a life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WeUhn7XKLs
Heres hoping this game on the same day as Down Mayo. THis game should be so interesting
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 28, 2012, 10:44:46 PM
Quote from: Seamus on July 28, 2012, 10:35:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2012, 10:04:24 PM
It's Gas if Kerry lose, they'll have the Northern thing thrown back in their face again! Can you imagine! ;D
There is no Northern team left.
All Ulster teams are northern in the GAA, you're thinking of a different sport! :P
Yeah and youse all love each other ;)
Quote from: here comes 6 on July 29, 2012, 10:32:23 AM
Heres hoping this game on the same day as Down Mayo. THis game should be so interesting
Not usually one for commenting on other county's games, but I can't wait for this game. Hopefully it'll be on with Mayo Down. We'll be outsupported if it happened, but so would Kerry... Gonna be a cracking contest. I think Donegal will win.
Do you really? Really i don't think they will,Really.
I think it will be a dire game with Pat Spillane losing the rag about how Northerners play. Think Donegal as well.
This is the most intriguing game after Kildare v Cork of the the AI quarter Finals. Donegal after a slow start in the Ulster Final blew Down away. Tyrone got to within 2 points of Donegal and Kerry beat us out the gate in Killarney so Kerry will probably feel that they have the firepower to put Donegal away just about. This is the biggest test for Donegal's credentials as All Ireland contenders, if they win the All Ireland this year no one can say that they will have won a soft AI as it is likely they will have to Beat Kerry, Cork and Dublin. I was in the dislike camp in terms of how Donegal played last year, but now they're style is beginning to grow on me. Although their gameplan is built on being extremely defensive last year they struggled to get the ball to their inside forwards this year they counter attack with greater speed with Frank McGlynn making some very dangerous runs out of Defence his goal and Murphys second half points last week demonstrate how they have moved on. Kerry will ask serious questions of they're defence although with plenty of bodies back Gooch and Co will find the going a lot tougher than they did against us. The Donegal defence will also have to be on top of their game and not cough off soft frees as Sheehan's dead ball expertise is worth at least 2-3 points a game. Midfield will also be a battle Maher was very impressive against us and Bradley is probably Donegals most improved player all in all hope our club football dosen't clash with this game can't wait to sit down and watch,it'll certainly make for gripping viewing.
Quote from: mlcollins on July 29, 2012, 12:47:29 PM
Do you really? Really i don't think they will,Really.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WeUhn7XKLs
any word on neil gallagher?
Quote from: cadence on July 29, 2012, 01:23:25 PM
any word on neil gallagher?
he's back training but not long I don't think ! With only a week to go hard to see him being 100% :( He'd be needed !
Quote from: donegal_abu on July 29, 2012, 01:41:59 PM
Quote from: cadence on July 29, 2012, 01:23:25 PM
any word on neil gallagher?
he's back training but not long I don't think ! With only a week to go hard to see him being 100% :( He'd be needed !
we just have to beat kerry to make sure he gets another game then. ;)
So Sunday at 4pm it is!
There is alot of talk here of Kerry getting beaten by Donegal, Although it could happen and would not be the biggest of Surprises. But we have to ask why are Donegal getting such a high billing? Don't get me wrong, i delighted there is a new team on the block to challenge, but we still have not seen this team at the business end to make our mind up yet. As for Kerry, we've seen them at the business end year in year out and they usually are up to scratch. True Donegal they have had successive defeats of Tyrone, but we have seen this Tyrone have been a rather spent force since 2008 and we have seen them beat Kildare who have lost to Meath, Down, Wicklow, Louth in Championship football in the last couple of years. Anyway give JMG and the lads a bit of level ground, Don't be putting them on higher ground before their time. JMG has done a marvelous job, i just hope people don't have expectations beyond their development.
Looking forward to this one alright. Donegal look focussed. Should be fascinating
Donegal will win with 3-4 to spare. Different level of fitness.
Not so long ago most punters,experts would predict a straight forward win for Kerry, once again it speaks volumes for the job Jim McGuinness is currently doing with Donegal.
Donegal look like they have come on a good bit from last year and Kerry have been used to getting bitch slapped around in recent seasons.
If Kerry concentrate on high diagonal ball into Donaghy then they will cause Donegal probs however their (Donegal's) defensive sytem will curtail that being easy to achieve. Donegal do not depend on one marksman they have scored from all angles and from a range of personel. Should be a facinating battle and I think Donegal just might shade it becuase of their organisation and focused 'team ethic'
Quote from: Real Talk on July 29, 2012, 10:30:50 PM
If Kerry concentrate on high diagonal ball into Donaghy then they will cause Donegal probs however their (Donegal's) defensive sytem will curtail that being easy to achieve. Donegal do not depend on one marksman they have scored from all angles and from a range of personel. Should be a facinating battle and I think Donegal just might shade it becuase of their organisation and focused 'team ethic'
That's the case with most of the top sides they can have 9-11 different scorers. The average teams (Armagh included) depend too much on a few forwards.
Galvin should have seen red and shouldn't be seeing this game...
Quote from: Seamus on July 28, 2012, 10:35:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2012, 10:04:24 PM
It's Gas if Kerry lose, they'll have the Northern thing thrown back in their face again! Can you imagine! ;D
There is no Northern team left.
You are not great at gegraphy, seamus. Did no teacher ever tell you that Donegal is the most northerly county in Ireland.
Jim mcguinness has done an unbelievable job with Donegal and it speaks volumes for him and his team that many people will give Donegal a great chance to beat Kerry next week>I remember all the pundits ripping him apart last winter over the Cassidy affair and his defensive game plan and saying Donegal were finished but to his great credit he has stuck to his vision and plan for Donegal football which now sees them as genuine contenders for Sam.I would fancy them to beat Kerry and that is the game I am looking forward to the most next weekend
Quote from: seafoid on July 29, 2012, 10:27:53 PM
Donegal look like they have come on a good bit from last year and Kerry have been used to getting bitch slapped around in recent seasons.
no pogrom keeping you busy these days ?
You know a lot about bitch slapping seafoid,just because ye got enough of it from kerry in the past,we'll see who is going to be bitch slapped next sunday.I'd say YOU could do with a good bitch slap you seem to have a liking for it.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 30, 2012, 05:08:50 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 29, 2012, 10:27:53 PM
Donegal look like they have come on a good bit from last year and Kerry have been used to getting bitch slapped around in recent seasons.
no pogrom keeping you busy these days ?
touchy down in dherastan are we?
get it right! it's el touchy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WeUhn7XKLs
Martin Duffy.
Quote from: cadence on July 30, 2012, 10:05:39 AM
get it right! it's el touchy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WeUhn7XKLs
Kerry won't be the team of this decade.
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2012, 12:04:44 PM
Quote from: cadence on July 30, 2012, 10:05:39 AM
get it right! it's el touchy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WeUhn7XKLs
Kerry won't be the team of this decade.
i'd agree with that... very little between the top teams. which says to me no one team is going to dominate for the foreseeable.
what a cracking weekend of football though. sunday looks the biz.
Quote from: drici on July 30, 2012, 11:54:46 AM
Martin Duffy.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
I think Donegal are going to win this. This team looks like the real deal.
Kerry won their all Ireland beating a banjaxed Tyrone
"This was as good as an All-Ireland. Kerry have finally quelled the 10-year Tyrone rebellion" :o
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 29, 2012, 07:53:18 PM
There is alot of talk here of Kerry getting beaten by Donegal, Although it could happen and would not be the biggest of Surprises. But we have to ask why are Donegal getting such a high billing? Don't get me wrong, i delighted there is a new team on the block to challenge, but we still have not seen this team at the business end to make our mind up yet. As for Kerry, we've seen them at the business end year in year out and they usually are up to scratch. True Donegal they have had successive defeats of Tyrone, but we have seen this Tyrone have been a rather spent force since 2008 and we have seen them beat Kildare who have lost to Meath, Down, Wicklow, Louth in Championship football in the last couple of years. Anyway give JMG and the lads a bit of level ground, Don't be putting them on higher ground before their time. JMG has done a marvelous job, i just hope people don't have expectations beyond their development.
I'm sure I mentioned this before on a different thread. Did Kerry not beat Donegal rather easily in the League at home? I know there is a world of difference between the two competions but surely most of the same personnel were involved in the League game or did I just imagine that it happened?
Quote from: thebuzz on July 30, 2012, 02:31:24 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 29, 2012, 07:53:18 PM
There is alot of talk here of Kerry getting beaten by Donegal, Although it could happen and would not be the biggest of Surprises. But we have to ask why are Donegal getting such a high billing? Don't get me wrong, i delighted there is a new team on the block to challenge, but we still have not seen this team at the business end to make our mind up yet. As for Kerry, we've seen them at the business end year in year out and they usually are up to scratch. True Donegal they have had successive defeats of Tyrone, but we have seen this Tyrone have been a rather spent force since 2008 and we have seen them beat Kildare who have lost to Meath, Down, Wicklow, Louth in Championship football in the last couple of years. Anyway give JMG and the lads a bit of level ground, Don't be putting them on higher ground before their time. JMG has done a marvelous job, i just hope people don't have expectations beyond their development.
I'm sure I mentioned this before on a different thread. Did Kerry not beat Donegal rather easily in the League at home? I know there is a world of difference between the two competions but surely most of the same personnel were involved in the League game or did I just imagine that it happened?
Donegal were missing quite a few during the league but Kerry did tear them asunder that day. All the talk about Kerry beating Tyrone will be for nothing if they don't go on and win an All Ireland after it and a beating by Donegal will be just as bad as Tyrone beating them in terms of what will be said.
It's all or nothing from Kerry but I just don't think they will do it this time!
What's Marty Duffy like?
Quote from: Keane on July 30, 2012, 04:18:39 PM
What's Marty Duffy like?
Jeez Keane, what galaxy have you been hanging out in lately? ;)
Quote from: Keane on July 30, 2012, 04:18:39 PM
What's Marty Duffy like?
Spends all his summer holidays in Donegal if all-stars were given out for referees he would have more than Stephen Cluxton.
Straight answers are like hen's teeth on this forum.
Quote from: Onlooker on July 30, 2012, 12:40:49 AM
Quote from: Seamus on July 28, 2012, 10:35:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2012, 10:04:24 PM
It's Gas if Kerry lose, they'll have the Northern thing thrown back in their face again! Can you imagine! ;D
There is no Northern team left.
You are not great at gegraphy, seamus. Did no teacher ever tell you that Donegal is the most northerly county in Ireland.
Maybe not Onlooker, what exactly is it?
Quote from: mlcollins on July 29, 2012, 12:47:29 PM
Do you really? Really i don't think they will,Really.
Too many reallys.
Like a Cavan football team.
I have to say I am a tad annoyed by the tone of the comments here and a little bit of balance needed. Those who say Kerry can't win tight games look at the losses only - here are the tight victories:
2012 QR2 v Westmeath;
2011 MF v Cork;
2010 MSF replay v Cork; MF v Limerick;
2009 AIF v Cork; AISF v Meath; QR4 v Antrim; QR3 v Sligo;
2008 AISF Replay v Cork; AIQF v Galway; QR4 v Monaghan;
2007 AISF v Dublin; AIQF v Monaghan; MF v Cork
2006 AISF v Cork; AIQF v Armagh
Kerry have only lost to great teams in knockout football - Dublin 2011 (which was thrown away with a lot of help from an inept refereing performance) Tyrone 05 & 08 - were great games with Tyrone better on the day, disappointing from a Kerry point of view but not a disgrace to have lost those two games to a great team. Tyrone 03 was a blowout even if we were only 4 down going into injury time; Tyrone scored 3 points in injury time to win 0-13 to 0-6. Down 2010 was the only time we lost to a team that was inferior to us (not on on the day but we had the better team but didn't perform on the day).
What i could never understand is why Tyrone never got criticism for not achieving more with the team they had. That team should have contested more than three All-Irelands but losing to Mayo 04, Laois 06, Meath 07, while being destroyed by Cork 09, Dublin 11 & Kerry 12 is a poor return for such a talented team with consistent underage success. The question I have for the posters here is - did Tyrone choke in those years?
We are rightly proud of this team that we had the privilege of supporting since the end of the famine in 1997. Win or lose on Sunday we will continue to support the team and will continue to dispel the myths surrounding this team. In the history of the GAA only two team have been more consistent than this team Kilkenny (2000 - present) and Kerry (1975 to 1986).
The end may come on Sunday, time will tell, however the last time this forum was in such unanimity over the result of a Kerry vs Ulster champions didn't work out too badly for us.
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2012, 09:27:03 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 30, 2012, 05:08:50 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 29, 2012, 10:27:53 PM
Donegal look like they have come on a good bit from last year and Kerry have been used to getting bitch slapped around in recent seasons.
no pogrom keeping you busy these days ?
touchy down in dherastan are we?
we won't be lectured by Antrim's plaything. Anyway, I thought sneaky jibes at the Mayo lads was more your form. cretin
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 30, 2012, 08:31:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2012, 09:27:03 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 30, 2012, 05:08:50 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 29, 2012, 10:27:53 PM
Donegal look like they have come on a good bit from last year and Kerry have been used to getting bitch slapped around in recent seasons.
no pogrom keeping you busy these days ?
touchy down in dherastan are we?
we won't be lectured by Antrim's plaything.
Yes you will. You just were !
You can't help yourself anyway.
Donegal to do it this weekend. Kerry will then need to win 4 out of the next 7 all Irelands before spillane can crow on RTE about being de team of de decade.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSDd9IZ4ZIA
Great teams put all irelands back to back. Not lost all Ireland finals.
.
I have to agree with what Brolly said last night. If a team stays with Kerry til the end of a game they are likely to beat them, if they have any sort of mental strength. Tyrone and Armagh did. Dublin did. Cork were as good as them each time they've played in Croke Park but weren't strong enough mentally. I think Donegal will stay with them til the end and will have the mental toughness and will beat them.
I've taken Cork outta this because Cork/Kerry games are a different animal!
So this is what we are left with; Definitely the Dublin result in 2007. The rest of the teams have a poor recent championship record.
2012 QR2 v Westmeath;
2010 MF v Limerick; Congrats you beat a team who have not won a munster title since when?
2009 AISF v Meath; QR4 v Antrim; QR3 v Sligo;
2008 AIQF v Galway; QR4 v Monaghan;
2007 AISF v Dublin; AIQF v Monaghan;
2006 AIQF v Armagh All credit for the result, but this was not a tight game! it was over with 10 to go!
By the way this is a no win argument, most of Kerry's best performances were based on shock and awe of finishing a game in 15 minutes. Only Kerry could really do this, so they more than often did not have tight games. And this was a mark of their class!
They'd a few good wins in very tight matches against Monaghan. With Kerry you tended to find that when the going got tough the o'ses dragged them out.
Donegal haven't beat a real big gun yet with this team and have a lot to prove here. They may well do it but the thread reads like they should be favourites and based on credentials of players over the last few years Kerry should be favourites and 5 to 6 point ones at that.
Seafoid what are you? the northern glove puppet or a northern wannabe,victory over tyrone , our all-ireland !! shows what an ignorant muppet you are and as mike sheey posted we don't take lectures,certainly not from inferior cretins like you.
Quote from: CorkMan on July 30, 2012, 08:57:29 PM
I have to agree with what Brolly said last night. If a team stays with Kerry til the end of a game they are likely to beat them, if they have any sort of mental strength. Tyrone and Armagh did. Dublin did. Cork were as good as them each time they've played in Croke Park but weren't strong enough mentally. I think Donegal will stay with them til the end and will have the mental toughness and will beat them.
So you and the other Brolly believers must then believe that Kerry were the better team against Tyrone. If so this is an insult to Tyrone. Remember you can't have it both ways.
In the Dublin game Kerry did not choke either. Kerry of course were much the better team. Joe McQuillan was the reason why the Dubs won. Colm O'Rourke highlighted this in articles after the game. Dublin got "three points from phantom frees in the first half alone" (Colm's words). In the second half Eoin Brosnan made probably the best defensive play of the year but was unjustly penalised for touching the ball on the ground in the small square resulting in another gifted point. Kerry were in cruise control and Dublin had given up (and McQuillan) until the error for the goal. When the sides were level with about two minutes to go McMennaman hopped the ball twice on the Dublin 45 directly in front of the posts and one yard from McQuillan, result no free to Kerry and Dublin went up the field and pointed. The way Sheehan way playing he would have pointed the free that should have been. This was a two point swing. To Kerry's credit they came back and equalised with a great GUTSY point from Kieran Donaghy. Enter McQuillan again in injury time with another phantom free which won the game for Dublin. He also never allowed for the time wasted in taking the free. Impossible for any team to overcome this.
Ulster football Mark 3 on Sunday. Donegal to win. Armagh changed football in '02 and beat Kerry, Tyrone tweaked it in '03 and more so '05 and now Donegal have taken to another notch. Don't think Kerry will live with what Donegal can do on a pitch. A blanket defence to an all new level, it is suffocating. Combined with the best gamesmanship skills in Ireland, foul high up the pitch/ drag players down subtly/ off the ball digs- they are not the only team who do this (the countries top 5 are in the quarters) but they do it better than anyone. Tyrone/Armagh used to torture the naive Donegal teams of the past with this and now it has come full circle.
Pat Spillane will be shitting himself come Sunday evening, it's gonna be f**king hilarious.
"Pat Spillane will be shitting himself come Sunday evening, it's gonna be f**king hilarious."
or he might end up pissing himself laughing, who knows.
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2012, 08:53:36 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 30, 2012, 08:31:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2012, 09:27:03 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 30, 2012, 05:08:50 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 29, 2012, 10:27:53 PM
Donegal look like they have come on a good bit from last year and Kerry have been used to getting bitch slapped around in recent seasons.
no pogrom keeping you busy these days ?
touchy down in dherastan are we?
we won't be lectured by Antrim's plaything.
Yes you will. You just were !
You can't help yourself anyway.
Donegal to do it this weekend. Kerry will then need to win 4 out of the next 7 all Irelands before spillane can crow on RTE about being de team of de decade.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSDd9IZ4ZIA
Great teams put all irelands back to back. Not lost all Ireland finals.
.
Its funny to see the fancy dans playing in Leinster. Galway has turned into a bit of a joke in football and hurling.
QuoteKerry were in cruise control and Dublin had given up
Yep we had given up alright ;D ;D
Quote from: mlcollins on July 30, 2012, 11:04:57 PM
Seafoid what are you? the northern glove puppet or a northern wannabe,victory over tyrone , our all-ireland !! shows what an ignorant muppet you are and as mike sheey posted we don't take lectures,certainly not from inferior cretins like you.
Billy Keane, Monday 23 July
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/galvins-rap-puts-rhythm-back-in-kerry-3175658.html
"This was as good as an All-Ireland." :) ;) :D ;D :o 8) ??? ::) :P
I hope you enjoyed your all Ireland , dhera
And where is Billy Keane from again ?
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 30, 2012, 09:23:39 PM
I've taken Cork outta this because Cork/Kerry games are a different animal!
So this is what we are left with; Definitely the Dublin result in 2007. The rest of the teams have a poor recent championship record.
2012 QR2 v Westmeath;
2010 MF v Limerick; Congrats you beat a team who have not won a munster title since when?
2009 AISF v Meath; QR4 v Antrim; QR3 v Sligo;
2008 AIQF v Galway; QR4 v Monaghan;
2007 AISF v Dublin; AIQF v Monaghan;
2006 AIQF v Armagh All credit for the result, but this was not a tight game! it was over with 10 to go!
By the way this is a no win argument, most of Kerry's best performances were based on shock and awe of finishing a game in 15 minutes. Only Kerry could really do this, so they more than often did not have tight games. And this was a mark of their class!
I agree, the Dublin 2007 game is the only one where the result was in real danger. There is some merit in what Brolly was saying.
Quote from: Seamus on July 30, 2012, 11:14:01 PM
In the Dublin game Kerry did not choke either. Kerry of course were much the better team. Joe McQuillan was the reason why the Dubs won. Colm O'Rourke highlighted this in articles after the game. Dublin got "three points from phantom frees in the first half alone" (Colm's words). In the second half Eoin Brosnan made probably the best defensive play of the year but was unjustly penalised for touching the ball on the ground in the small square resulting in another gifted point. Kerry were in cruise control and Dublin had given up (and McQuillan) until the error for the goal. When the sides were level with about two minutes to go McMennaman hopped the ball twice on the Dublin 45 directly in front of the posts and one yard from McQuillan, result no free to Kerry and Dublin went up the field and pointed. The way Sheehan way playing he would have pointed the free that should have been. This was a two point swing. To Kerry's credit they came back and equalised with a great GUTSY point from Kieran Donaghy. Enter McQuillan again in injury time with another phantom free which won the game for Dublin. He also never allowed for the time wasted in taking the free. Impossible for any team to overcome this.
If McQuillan was so intent on a Dublin victory why did he not award a penalty against Brosnan which would have been the correct decision for the handling the ball in the small square?
McQuillan had turned away to follow the play up field when McMenamin double hopped the ball and so he missed it. It was not a deliberately biased decision against Kerry, just a mistake. The Dubs were lucky enough there as Sheehan would most like have pointed the free.
The last free which was awarded for a foot trip on McMenamin was a free. It was engineered to an extent in that Mac could have avoided the outstretched leg but why would he?
All the better teams have forwards who coax the referee into blowing for a free at times. Cooper is especially good at this.
McQuillan did not rob Kerry of an All Ireland. It was a great battle between 2 evenly matched teams and the Dubs won a narrow but deserved victory on the day.
I doubt if Brolly will be on the minds of the protagonists when the ball is thrown in on Sunday.
This is the classic old gunslinger versus the new kid showdown.
Can Kerry see off the new upstarts or will the new brash fearless unloved urchins blow away the old order?
That is the question and can only be settled by the action on the field ( and hopefully not by refereeing or umpiring carry on )
I think Donegal need to be fearless in this one because any sign of fear, nervousness or looking over the shoulder (if they get the lead especially )and the Kutehoors will pounce and blow them away.
I may end up with blisters from sitting for 6 hours in Croker but I suspect this one will be worth waiting for.
Lads I can't believe anyone is giving Brolly the time of day here :o What he said in his article is absolute rubbish and is a new low even for him. First of all he said in his article that if somebody who hadn't seen any Gaelic football before turned up in to see the closing stages of the club All Ireland between Dr Crokes and Crossmaglen they would think the Gooch is a choker. Now even if you heard the local Alcoholic bar stool idiot come out with this you would have to take him to task for such a stupid comment. Also on the Sunday game he highlighted the loss to Armagh in 2002 and Tyrone 03/05/08 as examples of Kerry choking, This is an unbelievable insult to the winners of these games. Armagh in 2002 was just the classic old game of 2 halves where the orchard men came roaring out in the second half to cast away all those years on failure. Tyrone in 2003 was a ruthless exposure of a weak point to Kerry's traditional open style of football. 2005 was a Tyrone team at it's peak on a mission not to be a one hit wonder and 2008 was just reaffirming a dominance Tyrone were enjoying over Kerry and most other counties at the time too.
An example of choking in All Ireland's ,well unfortunately I can't look past my own county. 1996 was the prime example 6 points up and we couldn't close out the game albeit against an excellent Meath team . 2004 and 2006 , these were a different type of choking where a realisation that our preparation and skill level was nowhere near the required level to succeed and the game was gone in the first 20 mins , the white flag was raised. Now does Kerry vs Tyrone/Armagh compared to this? ::)
Brolly is a bollix.
Quote from: Seamus on July 30, 2012, 11:14:01 PM
In the Dublin game Kerry did not choke either. Kerry of course were much the better team. Joe McQuillan was the reason why the Dubs won. Colm O'Rourke highlighted this in articles after the game. Dublin got "three points from phantom frees in the first half alone" (Colm's words). In the second half Eoin Brosnan made probably the best defensive play of the year but was unjustly penalised for touching the ball on the ground in the small square resulting in another gifted point. Kerry were in cruise control and Dublin had given up (and McQuillan) until the error for the goal. When the sides were level with about two minutes to go McMennaman hopped the ball twice on the Dublin 45 directly in front of the posts and one yard from McQuillan, result no free to Kerry and Dublin went up the field and pointed. The way Sheehan way playing he would have pointed the free that should have been. This was a two point swing. To Kerry's credit they came back and equalised with a great GUTSY point from Kieran Donaghy. Enter McQuillan again in injury time with another phantom free which won the game for Dublin. He also never allowed for the time wasted in taking the free. Impossible for any team to overcome this.
Seamus, a nice pair of green/gold tinted glasses you have on there. How do you describe a phantom free? Please explain exactly what happened before each free? A foul is a foul and the sanction is the sanction. Perhaps you should read the rule book. True some of the fouls were slight but there is no margin for severity in the rules. A shirt-pull is a shirt-pull no matter if it is quick one or a rugby tackle. Please don't complain about your team having free's awarded against them because the fouls could have been more aggressive. If it is a a foul then don't complain about the referee giving it. True there were plenty of other fouls in the game that weren't penalised (for BOTH teams) and consistency is always an issue in refereeing. But "Phantom" - I think not. I was in Croke park and Kerry got plenty of favourable decisions too.
As for time wasted for the free. How do you work that out? Cooper happens to be a very fast free taker. In general for a place ball the time used is 30-45 seconds. Please time the Cluxton kick. It was just under 50 seconds. Therefore it was about average for a free. The referee played 11 seconds beyond the stated injury time. Where was the time wasted? If you don't want the opponents using up 45 seconds of time taking a free then don't foul!!!!
Quote from: Seamus on July 30, 2012, 11:14:01 PM
Quote from: CorkMan on July 30, 2012, 08:57:29 PM
I have to agree with what Brolly said last night. If a team stays with Kerry til the end of a game they are likely to beat them, if they have any sort of mental strength. Tyrone and Armagh did. Dublin did. Cork were as good as them each time they've played in Croke Park but weren't strong enough mentally. I think Donegal will stay with them til the end and will have the mental toughness and will beat them.
So you and the other Brolly believers must then believe that Kerry were the better team against Tyrone. If so this is an insult to Tyrone. Remember you can't have it both ways.
In the Dublin game Kerry did not choke either. Kerry of course were much the better team. Joe McQuillan was the reason why the Dubs won. Colm O'Rourke highlighted this in articles after the game. Dublin got "three points from phantom frees in the first half alone" (Colm's words). In the second half Eoin Brosnan made probably the best defensive play of the year but was unjustly penalised for touching the ball on the ground in the small square resulting in another gifted point. Kerry were in cruise control and Dublin had given up (and McQuillan) until the error for the goal. When the sides were level with about two minutes to go McMennaman hopped the ball twice on the Dublin 45 directly in front of the posts and one yard from McQuillan, result no free to Kerry and Dublin went up the field and pointed. The way Sheehan way playing he would have pointed the free that should have been. This was a two point swing. To Kerry's credit they came back and equalised with a great GUTSY point from Kieran Donaghy. Enter McQuillan again in injury time with another phantom free which won the game for Dublin. He also never allowed for the time wasted in taking the free. Impossible for any team to overcome this.
I'm not a 'Brolly believer'. Normally I wouldn't agree with a word he says but I think he makes a good point about Kerry. If a team is still in it against them with 5 or 10 mins to go, they will get beat against a top side more often than they'll win.
Where are you getting this shite about Joe McQuillan costing Kerry the All Ireland last year. Ref's make mistakes and I'm sure he made a few that benefited Kerry. Eoin Brosnan touching it on the ground in the square should have been a penalty, not a 20 metre free. Kerry threw that match away on their own, without McQuillans help.
Quote from: Seamus on July 30, 2012, 11:14:01 PM
Quote from: CorkMan on July 30, 2012, 08:57:29 PM
I have to agree with what Brolly said last night. If a team stays with Kerry til the end of a game they are likely to beat them, if they have any sort of mental strength. Tyrone and Armagh did. Dublin did. Cork were as good as them each time they've played in Croke Park but weren't strong enough mentally. I think Donegal will stay with them til the end and will have the mental toughness and will beat them.
In the Dublin game Kerry did not choke either. Kerry of course were much the better team. Joe McQuillan was the reason why the Dubs won. Colm O'Rourke highlighted this in articles after the game. Dublin got "three points from phantom frees in the first half alone" (Colm's words). In the second half Eoin Brosnan made probably the best defensive play of the year but was unjustly penalised for touching the ball on the ground in the small square resulting in another gifted point. Kerry were in cruise control and Dublin had given up (and McQuillan) until the error for the goal. When the sides were level with about two minutes to go McMennaman hopped the ball twice on the Dublin 45 directly in front of the posts and one yard from McQuillan, result no free to Kerry and Dublin went up the field and pointed. The way Sheehan way playing he would have pointed the free that should have been. This was a two point swing. To Kerry's credit they came back and equalised with a great GUTSY point from Kieran Donaghy. Enter McQuillan again in injury time with another phantom free which won the game for Dublin. He also never allowed for the time wasted in taking the free. Impossible for any team to overcome this.
Kerry were much the better team alright!
If you want to see phantom frees look at the Olympic diver Darran O'Sullivan and the succession of soft frees he got.
Here is a photo of Brosnan touching the ball on the ground - http://fmcphotos.com/2011/09/19/dublin-v-kerry-all-ireland-football-final-2011/dublin-v-kerry-all-ireland-senior-football-final-2011-32/
As for not allowing for the 'time wasting' by Cluxton, Sheehan took six seconds longer over a free when Kerry were coasting, checking the wind, tying his laces and he didn't have to come up from the far end of the pitch.
I think that might be Seamus sorted then :)
Quote from: Coddler on July 31, 2012, 10:52:37 AM
Quote from: Seamus on July 30, 2012, 11:14:01 PM
In the Dublin game Kerry did not choke either. Kerry of course were much the better team. Joe McQuillan was the reason why the Dubs won. Colm O'Rourke highlighted this in articles after the game. Dublin got "three points from phantom frees in the first half alone" (Colm's words). In the second half Eoin Brosnan made probably the best defensive play of the year but was unjustly penalised for touching the ball on the ground in the small square resulting in another gifted point. Kerry were in cruise control and Dublin had given up (and McQuillan) until the error for the goal. When the sides were level with about two minutes to go McMennaman hopped the ball twice on the Dublin 45 directly in front of the posts and one yard from McQuillan, result no free to Kerry and Dublin went up the field and pointed. The way Sheehan way playing he would have pointed the free that should have been. This was a two point swing. To Kerry's credit they came back and equalised with a great GUTSY point from Kieran Donaghy. Enter McQuillan again in injury time with another phantom free which won the game for Dublin. He also never allowed for the time wasted in taking the free. Impossible for any team to overcome this.
If McQuillan was so intent on a Dublin victory why did he not award a penalty against Brosnan which would have been the correct decision for the handling the ball in the small square?
McQuillan had turned away to follow the play up field when McMenamin double hopped the ball and so he missed it. It was not a deliberately biased decision against Kerry, just a mistake. The Dubs were lucky enough there as Sheehan would most like have pointed the free.
The last free which was awarded for a foot trip on McMenamin was a free. It was engineered to an extent in that Mac could have avoided the outstretched leg but why would he?
All the better teams have forwards who coax the referee into blowing for a free at times. Cooper is especially good at this.
McQuillan did not rob Kerry of an All Ireland. It was a great battle between 2 evenly matched teams and the Dubs won a narrow but deserved victory on the day.
Brosnan did not touch the ball on the ground end off. McMenaman hopped the ball twice, how convenient for Dublin that McQuillan did not "see" it. Sure he saw it Keane's feet were firmly set on the ground, if there was a free at all it would be for charging, the proper decision would be for to allow play continue. Referees should not decide games on borderline incidences with what turned out to really be the last kick of the game. There was several more decisions that went Dublin's way, it was to most one sided refereeing performance I've seen since '82.
Quote from: Seamus on July 31, 2012, 01:58:01 PM
Quote from: Coddler on July 31, 2012, 10:52:37 AM
Quote from: Seamus on July 30, 2012, 11:14:01 PM
In the Dublin game Kerry did not choke either. Kerry of course were much the better team. Joe McQuillan was the reason why the Dubs won. Colm O'Rourke highlighted this in articles after the game. Dublin got "three points from phantom frees in the first half alone" (Colm's words). In the second half Eoin Brosnan made probably the best defensive play of the year but was unjustly penalised for touching the ball on the ground in the small square resulting in another gifted point. Kerry were in cruise control and Dublin had given up (and McQuillan) until the error for the goal. When the sides were level with about two minutes to go McMennaman hopped the ball twice on the Dublin 45 directly in front of the posts and one yard from McQuillan, result no free to Kerry and Dublin went up the field and pointed. The way Sheehan way playing he would have pointed the free that should have been. This was a two point swing. To Kerry's credit they came back and equalised with a great GUTSY point from Kieran Donaghy. Enter McQuillan again in injury time with another phantom free which won the game for Dublin. He also never allowed for the time wasted in taking the free. Impossible for any team to overcome this.
If McQuillan was so intent on a Dublin victory why did he not award a penalty against Brosnan which would have been the correct decision for the handling the ball in the small square?
McQuillan had turned away to follow the play up field when McMenamin double hopped the ball and so he missed it. It was not a deliberately biased decision against Kerry, just a mistake. The Dubs were lucky enough there as Sheehan would most like have pointed the free.
The last free which was awarded for a foot trip on McMenamin was a free. It was engineered to an extent in that Mac could have avoided the outstretched leg but why would he?
All the better teams have forwards who coax the referee into blowing for a free at times. Cooper is especially good at this.
McQuillan did not rob Kerry of an All Ireland. It was a great battle between 2 evenly matched teams and the Dubs won a narrow but deserved victory on the day.
Brosnan did not touch the ball on the ground end off. McMenaman hopped the ball twice, how convenient for Dublin that McQuillan did not "see" it. Sure he saw it Keane's feet were firmly set on the ground, if there was a free at all it would be for charging, the proper decision would be for to allow play continue. Referees should not decide games on borderline incidences with what turned out to really be the last kick of the game. There was several more decisions that went Dublin's way, it was to most one sided refereeing performance I've seen since '82.
Did you look at the picture I posted? I think you'll find he did touch it.
Keane's feet might have been firmly planted in the ground but not before he moved his leg out to trip McMenamin.
Funny McQuillan didn't spot the Cork player going a foot over the sideline before Cork scored the winner against Dublin in the 2010 Semi-final either and he certainly spotted 30-odd frees from somewhere to give against Dublin somehow.
Nothing worse than a bad loser Seamus, Kerry have a proud history and it wasn't built on crying after being beat fair and square.
Quote from: heffo on July 31, 2012, 02:03:40 PM
Quote from: Seamus on July 31, 2012, 01:58:01 PM
Quote from: Coddler on July 31, 2012, 10:52:37 AM
Quote from: Seamus on July 30, 2012, 11:14:01 PM
In the Dublin game Kerry did not choke either. Kerry of course were much the better team. Joe McQuillan was the reason why the Dubs won. Colm O'Rourke highlighted this in articles after the game. Dublin got "three points from phantom frees in the first half alone" (Colm's words). In the second half Eoin Brosnan made probably the best defensive play of the year but was unjustly penalised for touching the ball on the ground in the small square resulting in another gifted point. Kerry were in cruise control and Dublin had given up (and McQuillan) until the error for the goal. When the sides were level with about two minutes to go McMennaman hopped the ball twice on the Dublin 45 directly in front of the posts and one yard from McQuillan, result no free to Kerry and Dublin went up the field and pointed. The way Sheehan way playing he would have pointed the free that should have been. This was a two point swing. To Kerry's credit they came back and equalised with a great GUTSY point from Kieran Donaghy. Enter McQuillan again in injury time with another phantom free which won the game for Dublin. He also never allowed for the time wasted in taking the free. Impossible for any team to overcome this.
If McQuillan was so intent on a Dublin victory why did he not award a penalty against Brosnan which would have been the correct decision for the handling the ball in the small square?
McQuillan had turned away to follow the play up field when McMenamin double hopped the ball and so he missed it. It was not a deliberately biased decision against Kerry, just a mistake. The Dubs were lucky enough there as Sheehan would most like have pointed the free.
The last free which was awarded for a foot trip on McMenamin was a free. It was engineered to an extent in that Mac could have avoided the outstretched leg but why would he?
All the better teams have forwards who coax the referee into blowing for a free at times. Cooper is especially good at this.
McQuillan did not rob Kerry of an All Ireland. It was a great battle between 2 evenly matched teams and the Dubs won a narrow but deserved victory on the day.
Brosnan did not touch the ball on the ground end off. McMenaman hopped the ball twice, how convenient for Dublin that McQuillan did not "see" it. Sure he saw it Keane's feet were firmly set on the ground, if there was a free at all it would be for charging, the proper decision would be for to allow play continue. Referees should not decide games on borderline incidences with what turned out to really be the last kick of the game. There was several more decisions that went Dublin's way, it was to most one sided refereeing performance I've seen since '82.
Did you look at the picture I posted? I think you'll find he did touch it.
Keane's feet might have been firmly planted in the ground but not before he moved his leg out to trip McMenamin.
Funny McQuillan didn't spot the Cork player going a foot over the sideline before Cork scored the winner against Dublin in the 2010 Semi-final either and he certainly spotted 30-odd frees from somewhere to give against Dublin somehow.
Nothing worse than a bad loser Seamus, Kerry have a proud history and it wasn't built on crying after being beat fair and square.
+1
In addition, as much as I like Kerry's skill level, I really hate the antics of Declan O Sullivan, Kieran Donahy and Colm Cooper, they never stop whining, constantly complaining to ref, and going baldheaded for him after a decision goes against them.
Why we should ignore pundits like Joe Brolly
By Kieran Shannon
Tuesday, July 31, 2012
Reading or listening to what passes for most GAA commentary these days, you sometimes wonder why they bother, those brave souls-poor eejits that coach or play inter-county football.
For five straight years Kieran McGeeney has guided Kildare to the All-Ireland series when in the seven seasons before him Kildare hadn't even made it even once, yet a line of commentators label his team "underachievers" and ask where's the silverware.
Maybe Kildare are only the fifth or sixth best team in the country, but what's the shame in that? It seems to be lost on a lot of GAA pundits and writers sceptical of Kildare that they themselves aren't among the top five nationally in their own profession either.
We call it "Ah but" syndrome. Any achievement a team pulls off can be dismissed by an "Ah but" or a "But sure". Usually it's in relation to their calibre or list of defeated opponents. "But sure they've beaten nobody." Go through this year's All-Ireland quarter-finalists and it could be levelled at nearly all of them, except Cork, but sure that was only in the Munster championship.
There's one thing being a critic and another being a cynic. And The Sunday Game resident panellists are the worst offenders of belittling people without whom they wouldn't have anyone to get paid to commentate about.
Whereas their hurling counterparts Liam Sheedy and Cyril Farrell can observe and enjoy a match between two non-contenders like Wexford and Offaly on its own merits, the triumvirate of Brolly, Spillane and O'Rourke spent the early summer belittling or berating the honest efforts of Division Three teams like Wexford, Longford and Tipperary.
O'Rourke, Brolly and Spillane each in their own right still have a lot to offer GAA punditry but you can't keep having two or more of them on at once without either a younger, more informed panellist (Dara Ó Cinnéide and Anthony Tohill are sorely missed) or a stronger, more informed anchor.
Last Sunday night was a nadir. While Michael Lyster projected his scepticism of Joe Brolly's skewed and selective argument on the merits of Kerry, we'd prefer if it had been in the way of facts rather than rolling his eyes.
Brolly's attack on Kerry and Colm Cooper was the ultimate in "Ah but" punditry. He's gone close before. All last summer he dismissed every Dublin team of the last 25 years as "chokers". His reservations of Cork are well documented. But the way he downplayed the six All-Irelands Kerry have won over the last 15 years was pathetic.
According to Joe, "on all occasions — this is just a simple fact of life — whenever a team stands and stares them in the face for 70 minutes, Kerry have looked down... I have yet to see this Kerry team win in the face of adversity."
Yes, you have, Joe, if you care to remember. Twice against Armagh in 2000 and again when the counties met in the 2006 All-Ireland quarter-final — call it that year's final if you want, since you're so dismissive of Mayo. How can you forget all three days when your beloved Crossmaglen were well represented?
You can't just judiciously pick last year's All-Ireland final against Dublin and then forget about Kerry's victory over the same county in a 2007 All Ireland semi-final that was almost as epic as Derry's 1993 semi-final win over the Dubs, the game which forged much of your own reputation as a player.
They "faced adversity" against Galway in 2000 and 2008 and triumphed. And when they met proper Cork teams in 2008 and 2009 and in Munster in 2010 and 2011, Kerry, thanks in no small part to Cooper, carved out a way.
Joe can't keep dismissing Kerry's 2004 triumph either on the basis that they only beat Mayo; didn't that the same Mayo beat the mighty Tyrone?
Everyone has "choked'', Joe. Tyrone in 2004 and 2007 when Mayo and Meath put it up to them. Peter "The Great" got himself suspended in 1997 and sent off in 2001. Mikey Sheehy couldn't kick a free in Killarney in 1987 a week after conjuring up that last-minute goal down by the Lee.
Maybe it was Joe, in trying to break into TV, who behind the scenes put together that famous "Pele was crap" sequence for Baddiel and Skinner on Fantasy Football.
Maybe Kerry might lose to Donegal next weekend. If they do, it'll be just like when Tyrone met a hungrier, younger team in Cork in 2009, not because they lacked any bottle.
Everyone loses now and again, even Kerry.
Champions make their setbacks temporary and their victories permanent. Critics prefer to make their victories temporary and their setbacks permanent.
The trick for champions is to ignore the latter.
Maybe we all should until the likes of Joe wise up.
Quote from: heffo on July 31, 2012, 02:03:40 PM
Quote from: Seamus on July 31, 2012, 01:58:01 PM
Quote from: Coddler on July 31, 2012, 10:52:37 AM
Quote from: Seamus on July 30, 2012, 11:14:01 PM
In the Dublin game Kerry did not choke either. Kerry of course were much the better team. Joe McQuillan was the reason why the Dubs won. Colm O'Rourke highlighted this in articles after the game. Dublin got "three points from phantom frees in the first half alone" (Colm's words). In the second half Eoin Brosnan made probably the best defensive play of the year but was unjustly penalised for touching the ball on the ground in the small square resulting in another gifted point. Kerry were in cruise control and Dublin had given up (and McQuillan) until the error for the goal. When the sides were level with about two minutes to go McMennaman hopped the ball twice on the Dublin 45 directly in front of the posts and one yard from McQuillan, result no free to Kerry and Dublin went up the field and pointed. The way Sheehan way playing he would have pointed the free that should have been. This was a two point swing. To Kerry's credit they came back and equalised with a great GUTSY point from Kieran Donaghy. Enter McQuillan again in injury time with another phantom free which won the game for Dublin. He also never allowed for the time wasted in taking the free. Impossible for any team to overcome this.
If McQuillan was so intent on a Dublin victory why did he not award a penalty against Brosnan which would have been the correct decision for the handling the ball in the small square?
McQuillan had turned away to follow the play up field when McMenamin double hopped the ball and so he missed it. It was not a deliberately biased decision against Kerry, just a mistake. The Dubs were lucky enough there as Sheehan would most like have pointed the free.
The last free which was awarded for a foot trip on McMenamin was a free. It was engineered to an extent in that Mac could have avoided the outstretched leg but why would he?
All the better teams have forwards who coax the referee into blowing for a free at times. Cooper is especially good at this.
McQuillan did not rob Kerry of an All Ireland. It was a great battle between 2 evenly matched teams and the Dubs won a narrow but deserved victory on the day.
Brosnan did not touch the ball on the ground end off. McMenaman hopped the ball twice, how convenient for Dublin that McQuillan did not "see" it. Sure he saw it Keane's feet were firmly set on the ground, if there was a free at all it would be for charging, the proper decision would be for to allow play continue. Referees should not decide games on borderline incidences with what turned out to really be the last kick of the game. There was several more decisions that went Dublin's way, it was to most one sided refereeing performance I've seen since '82.
Did you look at the picture I posted? I think you'll find he did touch it.
Keane's feet might have been firmly planted in the ground but not before he moved his leg out to trip McMenamin.
Funny McQuillan didn't spot the Cork player going a foot over the sideline before Cork scored the winner against Dublin in the 2010 Semi-final either and he certainly spotted 30-odd frees from somewhere to give against Dublin somehow.
Nothing worse than a bad loser Seamus, Kerry have a proud history and it wasn't built on crying after being beat fair and square.
The picture is not conclusive as his hands are not on the ball. McMenamin played for the free by charging into Keane. It should have been a non call. Referees should not decide games in such circumstances. Inept refereeing is the biggest problem in our game.
Just because a Kerryman brings up facts about a game he is considered a bad loser. I happened to have the best night of the year after that, not a sign of a bad loser.
Quote from: Seamus on July 31, 2012, 02:26:04 PM
Quote from: heffo on July 31, 2012, 02:03:40 PM
Quote from: Seamus on July 31, 2012, 01:58:01 PM
Quote from: Coddler on July 31, 2012, 10:52:37 AM
Quote from: Seamus on July 30, 2012, 11:14:01 PM
In the Dublin game Kerry did not choke either. Kerry of course were much the better team. Joe McQuillan was the reason why the Dubs won. Colm O'Rourke highlighted this in articles after the game. Dublin got "three points from phantom frees in the first half alone" (Colm's words). In the second half Eoin Brosnan made probably the best defensive play of the year but was unjustly penalised for touching the ball on the ground in the small square resulting in another gifted point. Kerry were in cruise control and Dublin had given up (and McQuillan) until the error for the goal. When the sides were level with about two minutes to go McMennaman hopped the ball twice on the Dublin 45 directly in front of the posts and one yard from McQuillan, result no free to Kerry and Dublin went up the field and pointed. The way Sheehan way playing he would have pointed the free that should have been. This was a two point swing. To Kerry's credit they came back and equalised with a great GUTSY point from Kieran Donaghy. Enter McQuillan again in injury time with another phantom free which won the game for Dublin. He also never allowed for the time wasted in taking the free. Impossible for any team to overcome this.
If McQuillan was so intent on a Dublin victory why did he not award a penalty against Brosnan which would have been the correct decision for the handling the ball in the small square?
McQuillan had turned away to follow the play up field when McMenamin double hopped the ball and so he missed it. It was not a deliberately biased decision against Kerry, just a mistake. The Dubs were lucky enough there as Sheehan would most like have pointed the free.
The last free which was awarded for a foot trip on McMenamin was a free. It was engineered to an extent in that Mac could have avoided the outstretched leg but why would he?
All the better teams have forwards who coax the referee into blowing for a free at times. Cooper is especially good at this.
McQuillan did not rob Kerry of an All Ireland. It was a great battle between 2 evenly matched teams and the Dubs won a narrow but deserved victory on the day.
Brosnan did not touch the ball on the ground end off. McMenaman hopped the ball twice, how convenient for Dublin that McQuillan did not "see" it. Sure he saw it Keane's feet were firmly set on the ground, if there was a free at all it would be for charging, the proper decision would be for to allow play continue. Referees should not decide games on borderline incidences with what turned out to really be the last kick of the game. There was several more decisions that went Dublin's way, it was to most one sided refereeing performance I've seen since '82.
Did you look at the picture I posted? I think you'll find he did touch it.
Keane's feet might have been firmly planted in the ground but not before he moved his leg out to trip McMenamin.
Funny McQuillan didn't spot the Cork player going a foot over the sideline before Cork scored the winner against Dublin in the 2010 Semi-final either and he certainly spotted 30-odd frees from somewhere to give against Dublin somehow.
Nothing worse than a bad loser Seamus, Kerry have a proud history and it wasn't built on crying after being beat fair and square.
The picture is not conclusive as his hands are not on the ball. McMenamin played for the free by charging into Keane. It should have been a non call. Referees should not decide games in such circumstances. Inept refereeing is the biggest problem in our game.
Just because a Kerryman brings up facts about a game he is considered a bad loser. I happened to have the best night of the year after that, not a sign of a bad loser.
You haven't brought up any facts, you've posted some woefully inaccurate opinions.
You have your chance now Sunday to get your AI back - lets hope ye can do it and all the mouthing from the Kerry players & O'Connor can stop and they let their football do the talking.
Quote from: Seamus on July 31, 2012, 01:58:01 PM
Quote from: Coddler on July 31, 2012, 10:52:37 AM
Quote from: Seamus on July 30, 2012, 11:14:01 PM
In the Dublin game Kerry did not choke either. Kerry of course were much the better team. Joe McQuillan was the reason why the Dubs won. Colm O'Rourke highlighted this in articles after the game. Dublin got "three points from phantom frees in the first half alone" (Colm's words). In the second half Eoin Brosnan made probably the best defensive play of the year but was unjustly penalised for touching the ball on the ground in the small square resulting in another gifted point. Kerry were in cruise control and Dublin had given up (and McQuillan) until the error for the goal. When the sides were level with about two minutes to go McMennaman hopped the ball twice on the Dublin 45 directly in front of the posts and one yard from McQuillan, result no free to Kerry and Dublin went up the field and pointed. The way Sheehan way playing he would have pointed the free that should have been. This was a two point swing. To Kerry's credit they came back and equalised with a great GUTSY point from Kieran Donaghy. Enter McQuillan again in injury time with another phantom free which won the game for Dublin. He also never allowed for the time wasted in taking the free. Impossible for any team to overcome this.
If McQuillan was so intent on a Dublin victory why did he not award a penalty against Brosnan which would have been the correct decision for the handling the ball in the small square?
McQuillan had turned away to follow the play up field when McMenamin double hopped the ball and so he missed it. It was not a deliberately biased decision against Kerry, just a mistake. The Dubs were lucky enough there as Sheehan would most like have pointed the free.
The last free which was awarded for a foot trip on McMenamin was a free. It was engineered to an extent in that Mac could have avoided the outstretched leg but why would he?
All the better teams have forwards who coax the referee into blowing for a free at times. Cooper is especially good at this.
McQuillan did not rob Kerry of an All Ireland. It was a great battle between 2 evenly matched teams and the Dubs won a narrow but deserved victory on the day.
Brosnan did not touch the ball on the ground end off. McMenaman hopped the ball twice, how convenient for Dublin that McQuillan did not "see" it. Sure he saw it Keane's feet were firmly set on the ground, if there was a free at all it would be for charging, the proper decision would be for to allow play continue. Referees should not decide games on borderline incidences with what turned out to really be the last kick of the game. There was several more decisions that went Dublin's way, it was to most one sided refereeing performance I've seen since '82.
Ok. I tried to be reasonable but I see you're not for turning from your myopia. Just suck it up Seamus. We whipped that all Ireland out from under your smug Kerry noses and you're just going to have to live with it. The most bitter Kerry defeat since 82 I would imagine. Look on the bright side. At least you didn't have the victory T-shirts printed up beforehand this time around.............. ;)
I have absolutely no problem with Dublin winning, I do not begrudge them in the slightest and congratulate them whole heartily . It's McQuillan I've the problem with. By the way I'm not bitter about '82 either. I even believe that Darby's goal was perfect, the referee was correct in not awarding a free.
Quote from: Seamus on July 31, 2012, 02:45:07 PM
I have absolutely no problem with Dublin winning, I do not begrudge them in the slightest and congratulate them whole heartily . It's McQuillan I've the problem with. By the way I'm not bitter about '82 either. I even believe that Darby's goal was perfect, the referee was correct in not awarding a free.
Fair enough. We'll agree to differ on McQuillan's performance.
this should be a clinker of a game.
Lets see what tactics Jim McGuinness rolls out on Sunday.
With cork inconsistent and possibly mentally fragile at times, Dublin in second season syndrome and still not anywhere near hitting form yet, the winners of this game will be in pole position...
this is the best time of the year - for Gaelic football and to be an Irishman (or woman)
Really looking forward to this wekends games- and am heading to croker for Sunday !
:)
So how do people think the Dublin v Kerry QF will go? Lots of debate on it in this thread ...
Quote from: heffo on July 31, 2012, 02:03:40 PM
Quote from: Seamus on July 31, 2012, 01:58:01 PM
Quote from: Coddler on July 31, 2012, 10:52:37 AM
Quote from: Seamus on July 30, 2012, 11:14:01 PM
In the Dublin game Kerry did not choke either. Kerry of course were much the better team. Joe McQuillan was the reason why the Dubs won. Colm O'Rourke highlighted this in articles after the game. Dublin got "three points from phantom frees in the first half alone" (Colm's words). In the second half Eoin Brosnan made probably the best defensive play of the year but was unjustly penalised for touching the ball on the ground in the small square resulting in another gifted point. Kerry were in cruise control and Dublin had given up (and McQuillan) until the error for the goal. When the sides were level with about two minutes to go McMennaman hopped the ball twice on the Dublin 45 directly in front of the posts and one yard from McQuillan, result no free to Kerry and Dublin went up the field and pointed. The way Sheehan way playing he would have pointed the free that should have been. This was a two point swing. To Kerry's credit they came back and equalised with a great GUTSY point from Kieran Donaghy. Enter McQuillan again in injury time with another phantom free which won the game for Dublin. He also never allowed for the time wasted in taking the free. Impossible for any team to overcome this.
If McQuillan was so intent on a Dublin victory why did he not award a penalty against Brosnan which would have been the correct decision for the handling the ball in the small square?
McQuillan had turned away to follow the play up field when McMenamin double hopped the ball and so he missed it. It was not a deliberately biased decision against Kerry, just a mistake. The Dubs were lucky enough there as Sheehan would most like have pointed the free.
The last free which was awarded for a foot trip on McMenamin was a free. It was engineered to an extent in that Mac could have avoided the outstretched leg but why would he?
All the better teams have forwards who coax the referee into blowing for a free at times. Cooper is especially good at this.
McQuillan did not rob Kerry of an All Ireland. It was a great battle between 2 evenly matched teams and the Dubs won a narrow but deserved victory on the day.
Brosnan did not touch the ball on the ground end off. McMenaman hopped the ball twice, how convenient for Dublin that McQuillan did not "see" it. Sure he saw it Keane's feet were firmly set on the ground, if there was a free at all it would be for charging, the proper decision would be for to allow play continue. Referees should not decide games on borderline incidences with what turned out to really be the last kick of the game. There was several more decisions that went Dublin's way, it was to most one sided refereeing performance I've seen since '82.
Did you look at the picture I posted? I think you'll find he did touch it.
Keane's feet might have been firmly planted in the ground but not before he moved his leg out to trip McMenamin.
Funny McQuillan didn't spot the Cork player going a foot over the sideline before Cork scored the winner against Dublin in the 2010 Semi-final either and he certainly spotted 30-odd frees from somewhere to give against Dublin somehow.
Nothing worse than a bad loser Seamus, Kerry have a proud history and it wasn't built on crying after being beat fair and square.
Not to mention the following
1 Declan O'Sullivan's flaying elbow into Kevin Nolan which could have been a straight red. (for the record I don't think it deserved one as Brennan's tackle didn't also)
2 Illegal palmed point scored by Donaghy
3 The taking of 10 steps by Declan O'Sullivan (sorry Declan) in front of the Cusack Stand late in the game which went unpunished.
Just pointing out that imvho of course that there were decisions last September which didn't go Dublin's way as they didn't in the 1978 and 1985 AIFs also. Cork posters here also will point to crucial decisions in the 2 AIFs they lost to Kerry that didn't go their way.
We got the break in 1995 v Tyrone just as they in turn got the soft penalty against us in 2005.
That's football I suppose.
Apologies to the Donegal posters for having to reply in this thread.
In fairness to Kerry as has been much touted the winning of this year's All Ireland by them will be undoubtedly their greatest of recent times.
By beating Tyrone, Donegal, Cork (possibly) and Dublin ( if we get there ) their greatness will be acclaimed by all.
Why we should ignore pundits like Joe Brolly
By Kieran Shannon
If he wants to ignore Brolly why does he write an article about him? The world of GAA journalism is a pure circus.
That Keane clown in the Indo who said the Tyrone match was as good as an all Ireland is another example.
It's all about selling papers.
Anyway I hope Donegal put Kerry to the sword on Saturday.
They threw away last year's all Ireland and don't deserve another chance. Some team that hasn't won for a while could win it if Kerry are out.
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2012, 09:30:59 PM
Why we should ignore pundits like Joe Brolly
By Kieran Shannon
If he wants to ignore Brolly why does he write an article about him? The world of GAA journalism is a pure circus.
That Keane clown in the Indo who said the Tyrone match was as good as an all Ireland is another example.
It's all about selling papers.
Anyway I hope Donegal put Kerry to the sword on Saturday.
They threw away last year's all Ireland and don't deserve another chance. Some team that hasn't won for a while could win it if Kerry are out.
Some team that hasn't won for a while could win it if Kerry win on Sunday too. I don't think they'll win it this year. They're not the same team they were in the last decade.
Don't say that to the Kerry lads.
They know it too, even if they won't admit it.
Cork and Dublin lads obviously shitting it in case they meet Kerry. No idea why the "fancy dan" has such a problem with us though. Most likely still bitter about their choke against us in 2000 !
Kerry aren't as strong in midfield as we were in the 2006-2009 period (i.e: No Darragh), some defenders with a lot of mileage on the clock also..but Tomás O'Sé, Marc, O'Mahony for example are moving as well as ever. Enright has slotted in brilliantly lately. The forwards are going as well as they ever have...Declan O'Sullivan, Galvin, Gooch, Donaghy, O'Donoghue all on top of their game. The lazy trotted out lines such as "Kerry have played their all-Ireland" etc...are ignoring any detailed analysis of the team aswell as the fact that 9 times out of 10 Kerry raise their game in Croker come business end of the championship.
The Donegal game is going to be a very tough one and it was interesting to hear Rory Gallagher say he expects a high-scoring game..could be mind games, but both teams have been scoring decently lately...who knows. All we know for sure is that there will be a high level of intensity and hopefully a lot of good football played.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on July 31, 2012, 11:45:25 PM
The Donegal game is going to be a very tough one and it was interesting to hear Rory Gallagher say he expects a high-scoring game..could be mind games, but both teams have been scoring decently lately...who knows. All we know for sure is that there will be a high level of intensity and hopefully a lot of good football played.
I don't think it is in Donegal's best interests for a open, high-scoring game to develop. They could still win it of course and they have dabbled with a more expansive gameplan but not to the extent they would want to go toe to toe with Kerry in an attacking game. Not yet anyway. Their best chance of progressing is still in a low-scoring tactical game with an emphasis on tight defending so that is what I would expect to see on Sunday.
I think they will keep it defensive for 45-50 minutes, keep it tight and low-scoring and then mix it up a bit in the last 20. They had Dublin on the ropes late on last year but seemed too paralysed by their rigid adherence to the defensive system to take advantage. This time they will try to land the knock-out punch of their own if they get the chance rather than having to squeeze the life out of the opposition for 70 minutes.
Quote from: eviemonkey on August 01, 2012, 12:09:02 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on July 31, 2012, 11:45:25 PM
The Donegal game is going to be a very tough one and it was interesting to hear Rory Gallagher say he expects a high-scoring game..could be mind games, but both teams have been scoring decently lately...who knows. All we know for sure is that there will be a high level of intensity and hopefully a lot of good football played.
I don't think it is in Donegal's best interests for a open, high-scoring game to develop. They could still win it of course and they have dabbled with a more expansive gameplan but not to the extent they would want to go toe to toe with Kerry in an attacking game. Not yet anyway. Their best chance of progressing is still in a low-scoring tactical game with an emphasis on tight defending so that is what I would expect to see on Sunday.
I think they will keep it defensive for 45-50 minutes, keep it tight and low-scoring and then mix it up a bit in the last 20. They had Dublin on the ropes late on last year but seemed too paralysed by their rigid adherence to the defensive system to take advantage. This time they will try to land the knock-out punch of their own if they get the chance rather than having to squeeze the life out of the opposition for 70 minutes.
agree with everything you say. i would worry about kerry getting off to a flyer and putting a rake of pts on the board in the first 20mins. we'll need to be max intensity from the off. winding the kerry boys up is all well and good, but they are still the best team in ireland on their day imo and the trick is to not let them get up a head of steam. easier said than done though.
Kerry will go for it wham bam style first 20 minutes. The problem Donegal have here is that Kerry are unlikely to miss chances and can develop a match winning lead quicker that any team in Ireland.
The question is whether kerry have the heads right . The aif threw up a lot of questions and the reaction to the tyrone match was a sign of a certain amount of self doubt. Maybe they are better than ever but do they believe it and is it strong enough for the last 3 minutes of a tight match?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 31, 2012, 11:39:23 PM
Cork and Dublin lads obviously shitting it in case they meet Kerry. No idea why the "fancy dan" has such a problem with us though. Most likely still bitter about their choke against us in 2000 !
Dublin certainly aren't afraid - I wanted to draw them and any Dublin players I spoke to wanted them too.
Anyway, on with Donegal v Kerry - I think Kerry will nick it.
Donegal will revert to type. Expect a low scoring game. No idea who will win. I hope it is Donegal.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 31, 2012, 11:39:23 PM
Cork and Dublin lads obviously shitting it in case they meet Kerry. No idea why the "fancy dan" has such a problem with us though. Most likely still bitter about their choke against us in 2000 !
No, not really.
Don't really agree with the idea that a high scoring game suits anyone but Donegal considering Donegal have only conceded one goal in the last two years of Championship football.
Think Kerry have quite a good chance of shading a low scoring game but might not be able to score enough against Donegal's defence to win a high scoring game.
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2012, 11:14:15 AM
The question is whether kerry have the heads right . The aif threw up a lot of questions and the reaction to the tyrone match was a sign of a certain amount of self doubt. Maybe they are better than ever but do they believe it and is it strong enough for the last 3 minutes of a tight match?
Dont worry about us fancy Dan. We leave that self-doubt craic to the likes of the Galway hurlers who flatter to deceive every year only to get bitch slapped back to Leinster (snigger) by some Munster team.
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Quote from: ballinaman on August 02, 2012, 10:44:06 AM
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Ten years ago such a match would have been a foregone conclusion; all a Kerry man had to do was shout "Remember Drumboe" and that stirring call to arms would have been enough to raise sufficient fire in the belly to prevail.
Now games are won and lost neither by fire in the belly nor by having better players. They are won by those on the line and because of that (as with 03, 05 and 08) Kerry will come up short. Donegal are better prepared and have a better system than Kerry. I have yet to hear anyone asking what Donegal will have to do to beat Kerry; it is the Kingdom who have to change to be successful.
Look to at the recent records: Donegal have beaten (an admittedly mediocre) Tyrone in successive championship matches and celebrated as if someone had knocked down and killed the family cat; Kerry have never to my knowledge managed this feat and celebrate a facile single win as if it was their biggest ever win. Which, in a way, it was.
Look too at the flaws in the Kerry team; the O Ses and O'Mahony don't have the legs, Enright or O'Donoghue the experience, Young the form, Brosnan the confidence of his manager, the midfield neither mobility nor Darragh, Galvin and Donaghy the discipline, Gooch will choke. Which really only leaves Declan O'Sullivan and that won't be enough.
Donegal will win.
Daly, Enright and Sullivan deserve a more peaceful rest.
The underdogs cover the spread if they win by definition.
Quote from: Keane on August 02, 2012, 05:26:42 PM
The underdogs cover the spread if they win by definition.
A very random post there Keane.
Rule 2. Always quote the post you're referring to.
Quote from: emmetryan on August 02, 2012, 08:41:35 AM
I've put together a tactical preview of this game here http://action81.com/blog/?p=6053
all killer no filler as always emmet. love your blog.
i hope you're right about the eventually winners. doubt it'll be a cakewalk for whoever wins. that's never going to happen... got drama and intensity to the max written all over it.
just a comment re the commonly held theory that kerry choke.. don't accept this at all... they just run out of time like all great teams that fight to the end still trying to find a way to win it. hopefully it'll be us with our noses in front when it blows up.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on August 02, 2012, 05:20:09 PM
Now games are won and lost neither by fire in the belly nor by having better players.
The only reason Kerry are contenders this year is because the pain of last year's AIF is so fresh in the minds. That is where the motivation is coming from. If on the other hand Kerry won last year they would not have enough "fire in the belly" to win on Sunday. I'm expecting a massive display from Kerry, hope it's good enough.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on August 02, 2012, 05:20:09 PM
Ten years ago such a match would have been a foregone conclusion; all a Kerry man had to do was shout "Remember Drumboe" and that stirring call to arms would have been enough to raise sufficient fire in the belly to prevail.
Now games are won and lost neither by fire in the belly nor by having better players. They are won by those on the line and because of that (as with 03, 05 and 08) Kerry will come up short. Donegal are better prepared and have a better system than Kerry. I have yet to hear anyone asking what Donegal will have to do to beat Kerry; it is the Kingdom who have to change to be successful.
Look to at the recent records: Donegal have beaten (an admittedly mediocre) Tyrone in successive championship matches and celebrated as if someone had knocked down and killed the family cat; Kerry have never to my knowledge managed this feat and celebrate a facile single win as if it was their biggest ever win. Which, in a way, it was.
Look too at the flaws in the Kerry team; the O Ses and O'Mahony don't have the legs, Enright or O'Donoghue the experience, Young the form, Brosnan the confidence of his manager, the midfield neither mobility nor Darragh, Galvin and Donaghy the discipline, Gooch will choke. Which really only leaves Declan O'Sullivan and that won't be enough.
Donegal will win and cover the handicap.
Daly, Enright and Sullivan deserve a more peaceful rest.
What a piece of unmitigated garbage from surprise,surprise a NORDIE and imagine one of those nordies from a multi winning all-ireland county LOL, ::) ,As for the kerrygold add above,i'm still laughing,posted by a mayo poster and its first riposte by a langer,hillarious stuff,you couldn't write it, from the two biggest chokers in the game.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on August 02, 2012, 06:12:15 PM
A very random post there Keane.
Rule 2. Always quote the post you're referring to.
Nice to give people a chance to correct their errors.
Makes it pretty obvious when the post directly above yours has an edit in it regardless, I imagine most suspect something fairly dumb must have been said to warrant such a move.
Quote from: cadence on August 02, 2012, 06:51:29 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 02, 2012, 08:41:35 AM
I've put together a tactical preview of this game here http://action81.com/blog/?p=6053
all killer no filler as always emmet. love your blog.
i hope you're right about the eventually winners. doubt it'll be a cakewalk for whoever wins. that's never going to happen... got drama and intensity to the max written all over it.
Thanks cadence. I'm expecting a few surprises on Sunday in terms of what both teams do.
Quote from: emmetryan on August 02, 2012, 08:17:49 PM
Quote from: cadence on August 02, 2012, 06:51:29 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 02, 2012, 08:41:35 AM
I've put together a tactical preview of this game here http://action81.com/blog/?p=6053
all killer no filler as always emmet. love your blog.
i hope you're right about the eventually winners. doubt it'll be a cakewalk for whoever wins. that's never going to happen... got drama and intensity to the max written all over it.
Thanks cadence. I'm expecting a few surprises on Sunday in terms of what both teams do.
not at all, thank you emmet.
yep two very shrewd managers... can't wait to see how they run it.
Quote from: mlcollins on August 02, 2012, 07:20:07 PM
As for the kerrygold add above,i'm still laughing,posted by a mayo poster and its first riposte by a langer,hillarious stuff,you couldn't write it, from the two biggest chokers in the game.
Better a choker than an absoloute gobshite who lacks a sense of humour.
Quote from: Seamus on August 02, 2012, 07:12:22 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on August 02, 2012, 05:20:09 PM
Now games are won and lost neither by fire in the belly nor by having better players.
The only reason Kerry are contenders this year is because the pain of last year's AIF is so fresh in the minds. That is where the motivation is coming from. If on the other hand Kerry won last year they would not have enough "fire in the belly" to win on Sunday. I'm expecting a massive display from Kerry, hope it's good enough.
Fair enough point and 04, 06 and 09 would back it up. But I think things have moved on even since then with Donegal taking preparation to a new level and motivation alone is not enough.
Kerry Team unchanged.
1. Brendan Kealy (Kilcummin)
2. Marc Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) 3. Aidan O'Mahony (Rathmore), 4. Shane Enright (Tarbert)
5. Tomás Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) 6. Eoin Brosnan (Dr. Crokes) 7. Killian Young (Renard)
8. Anthony Maher (Duagh) 9. Bryan Sheehan (St. Mary's)
10. Paul Galvin (Finuge) 11. Declan O'Sullivan (Piarsaigh Na Dromada) 12. Donnchadh Walsh (Cromane)
13. James O'Donoghue, (Killarney Legion) 14. Colm Cooper (Dr. Crokes) 15. Kieran Donaghy (Austin Stacks)
Substitutes:
16. Brian Kelly (Killarney Legion) 17. Brian Maguire (Listowel Emmet's)
18. Darran O'Sullivan (Glenbeigh/Glencar) 19. Peter Crowley (Laune Rangers)
20. Kieran O'Leary (Dr Crokes) 21. Johnny Buckley (Dr Crokes)
22. Patrick Curtin (Moyvane) 23. Jonathan Lyne (Killarney Legion)
24. Seamus Scanlon (Currow) 25. Barry John Keane (Kerins O'Rahilly's)
26. Fionn Fitzgerald (Dr Crokes) 27. Michael Geaney (Daingean Uí Chúis)
Quote from: mlcollins on August 02, 2012, 07:20:07 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on August 02, 2012, 05:20:09 PM
Ten years ago such a match would have been a foregone conclusion; all a Kerry man had to do was shout "Remember Drumboe" and that stirring call to arms would have been enough to raise sufficient fire in the belly to prevail.
Now games are won and lost neither by fire in the belly nor by having better players. They are won by those on the line and because of that (as with 03, 05 and 08) Kerry will come up short. Donegal are better prepared and have a better system than Kerry. I have yet to hear anyone asking what Donegal will have to do to beat Kerry; it is the Kingdom who have to change to be successful.
Look to at the recent records: Donegal have beaten (an admittedly mediocre) Tyrone in successive championship matches and celebrated as if someone had knocked down and killed the family cat; Kerry have never to my knowledge managed this feat and celebrate a facile single win as if it was their biggest ever win. Which, in a way, it was.
Look too at the flaws in the Kerry team; the O Ses and O'Mahony don't have the legs, Enright or O'Donoghue the experience, Young the form, Brosnan the confidence of his manager, the midfield neither mobility nor Darragh, Galvin and Donaghy the discipline, Gooch will choke. Which really only leaves Declan O'Sullivan and that won't be enough.
Donegal will win and cover the handicap.
Daly, Enright and Sullivan deserve a more peaceful rest.
What a piece of unmitigated garbage from surprise,surprise a NORDIE and imagine one of those nordies from a multi winning all-ireland county LOL, ::) ,As for the kerrygold add above,i'm still laughing,posted by a mayo poster and its first riposte by a langer,hillarious stuff,you couldn't write it, from the two biggest chokers in the game.
Is that it?
Apart the obligatory free dig at Gooch, I would stand over everything in my post. Where is the garbage?
Quote from: Keane on August 02, 2012, 07:28:29 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on August 02, 2012, 06:12:15 PM
A very random post there Keane.
Rule 2. Always quote the post you're referring to.
Nice to give people a chance to correct their errors.
Makes it pretty obvious when the post directly above yours has an edit in it regardless, I imagine most suspect something fairly dumb must have been said to warrant such a move.
Most on here know I have no interest in gambling and therefore limited knowledge of correct terminology. Not a major fcuk up, but thanks for the opportunity to correct it.
Quote from: CorkMan on August 02, 2012, 08:59:26 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on August 02, 2012, 07:20:07 PM
As for the kerrygold add above,i'm still laughing,posted by a mayo poster and its first riposte by a langer,hillarious stuff,you couldn't write it, from the two biggest chokers in the game.
Better a choker than an absoloute gobshite who lacks a sense of humour.
Contradicting your self there CHOKER.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on August 02, 2012, 09:06:50 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on August 02, 2012, 07:20:07 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on August 02, 2012, 05:20:09 PM
Ten years ago such a match would have been a foregone conclusion; all a Kerry man had to do was shout "Remember Drumboe" and that stirring call to arms would have been enough to raise sufficient fire in the belly to prevail.
Now games are won and lost neither by fire in the belly nor by having better players. They are won by those on the line and because of that (as with 03, 05 and 08) Kerry will come up short. Donegal are better prepared and have a better system than Kerry. I have yet to hear anyone asking what Donegal will have to do to beat Kerry; it is the Kingdom who have to change to be successful.
Look to at the recent records: Donegal have beaten (an admittedly mediocre) Tyrone in successive championship matches and celebrated as if someone had knocked down and killed the family cat; Kerry have never to my knowledge managed this feat and celebrate a facile single win as if it was their biggest ever win. Which, in a way, it was.
Look too at the flaws in the Kerry team; the O Ses and O'Mahony don't have the legs, Enright or O'Donoghue the experience, Young the form, Brosnan the confidence of his manager, the midfield neither mobility nor Darragh, Galvin and Donaghy the discipline, Gooch will choke. Which really only leaves Declan O'Sullivan and that won't be enough.
Donegal will win and cover the handicap.
Daly, Enright and Sullivan deserve a more peaceful rest.
What a piece of unmitigated garbage from surprise,surprise a NORDIE and imagine one of those nordies from a multi winning all-ireland county LOL, ::) ,As for the kerrygold add above,i'm still laughing,posted by a mayo poster and its first riposte by a langer,hillarious stuff,you couldn't write it, from the two biggest chokers in the game.
Is that it?
Apart the obligatory free dig at Gooch, I would stand over everything in my post. Where is the garbage?
"Is that it?"
What a patronising cretin.
"Obligatory free dig at gooch"
What a bigoted cretin.
Quote from: mlcollins on August 02, 2012, 09:27:23 PM
Quote from: CorkMan on August 02, 2012, 08:59:26 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on August 02, 2012, 07:20:07 PM
As for the kerrygold add above,i'm still laughing,posted by a mayo poster and its first riposte by a langer,hillarious stuff,you couldn't write it, from the two biggest chokers in the game.
Better a choker than an absoloute gobshite who lacks a sense of humour.
Contradicting your self there CHOKER.
Where?
Quote from: CorkMan on August 02, 2012, 09:35:17 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on August 02, 2012, 09:27:23 PM
Quote from: CorkMan on August 02, 2012, 08:59:26 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on August 02, 2012, 07:20:07 PM
As for the kerrygold add above,i'm still laughing,posted by a mayo poster and its first riposte by a langer,hillarious stuff,you couldn't write it, from the two biggest chokers in the game.
Better a choker than an absoloute gobshite who lacks a sense of humour.
I already stated ye were chokers which you in your own way acknowledged but no way are you humerous,there highlights the contradiction ,where my post was somewhat sardonic. Look it up in the dictionary and while your at it look up humour as well.
Contradicting your self there CHOKER.
Where?
Jesus, you Kerry folk are fierce touchy altogether.
woohoo!!! el touchy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WeUhn7XKLs
Quote from: mlcollins on August 02, 2012, 09:32:27 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on August 02, 2012, 09:06:50 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on August 02, 2012, 07:20:07 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on August 02, 2012, 05:20:09 PM
Ten years ago such a match would have been a foregone conclusion; all a Kerry man had to do was shout "Remember Drumboe" and that stirring call to arms would have been enough to raise sufficient fire in the belly to prevail.
Now games are won and lost neither by fire in the belly nor by having better players. They are won by those on the line and because of that (as with 03, 05 and 08) Kerry will come up short. Donegal are better prepared and have a better system than Kerry. I have yet to hear anyone asking what Donegal will have to do to beat Kerry; it is the Kingdom who have to change to be successful.
Look to at the recent records: Donegal have beaten (an admittedly mediocre) Tyrone in successive championship matches and celebrated as if someone had knocked down and killed the family cat; Kerry have never to my knowledge managed this feat and celebrate a facile single win as if it was their biggest ever win. Which, in a way, it was.
Look too at the flaws in the Kerry team; the O Ses and O'Mahony don't have the legs, Enright or O'Donoghue the experience, Young the form, Brosnan the confidence of his manager, the midfield neither mobility nor Darragh, Galvin and Donaghy the discipline, Gooch will choke. Which really only leaves Declan O'Sullivan and that won't be enough.
Donegal will win and cover the handicap.
Daly, Enright and Sullivan deserve a more peaceful rest.
What a piece of unmitigated garbage from surprise,surprise a NORDIE and imagine one of those nordies from a multi winning all-ireland county LOL, ::) ,As for the kerrygold add above,i'm still laughing,posted by a mayo poster and its first riposte by a langer,hillarious stuff,you couldn't write it, from the two biggest chokers in the game.
Is that it?
Apart the obligatory free dig at Gooch, I would stand over everything in my post. Where is the garbage?
"Is that it?"
What a patronising cretin.
"Obligatory free dig at gooch"
What a bigoted cretin.
Can I take it that you are either not, or incapable of, debating the merits of the current Kerry team?
Quote from: mlcollins on August 02, 2012, 09:44:49 PM
Quote from: CorkMan on August 02, 2012, 09:35:17 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on August 02, 2012, 09:27:23 PM
Quote from: CorkMan on August 02, 2012, 08:59:26 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on August 02, 2012, 07:20:07 PM
As for the kerrygold add above,i'm still laughing,posted by a mayo poster and its first riposte by a langer,hillarious stuff,you couldn't write it, from the two biggest chokers in the game.
Better a choker than an absoloute gobshite who lacks a sense of humour.
I already stated ye were chokers which you in your own way acknowledged but no way are you humerous,there highlights the contradiction ,where my post was somewhat sardonic. Look it up in the dictionary and while your at it look up humour as well.
Contradicting your self there CHOKER.
Where?
Never acknowleged we were chokers. Just stated that I'd prefer to be a choker than be a tool of your level.
Saffron,is it not obvious by my post that i refute your ramblings,ok,ok, apart from your assertion about galvin of which i should have inserted in my last post but i was generalising.
Corkman or is that a misnomer,is there a correlation between lack of humour and tool or is it a cork thing.you have a varied vocab i see,gobshite and tool, soooooooo impresive,me soooooo hurt :'( 8).
Quote from: mlcollins on August 02, 2012, 10:32:24 PM
Saffron,is it not obvious by my post that i refute your ramblings,ok,ok, apart from your assertion about galvin of which i should have inserted in my last post but i was generalising.
Corkman or is that a misnomer,is there a correlation between lack of humour and tool or is it a cork thing.you have a varied vocab i see,gobshite and tool, soooooooo impresive,me soooooo hurt :'( 8).
At least the Corkman can use correct spacing when he types.
Quote from: mlcollins on August 02, 2012, 10:32:24 PM
Saffron,is it not obvious by my post that i refute your ramblings,ok,ok, apart from your assertion about galvin of which i should have inserted in my last post but i was generalising.
Corkman or is that a misnomer,is there a correlation between lack of humour and tool or is it a cork thing.you have a varied vocab i see,gobshite and tool, soooooooo impresive,me soooooo hurt :'( 8).
Wasn't obvious no, but you're getting more coherent, which is nice.
I would prefer that Kerry see off Donegal, but I am not at all confident. A thoroughly intriguing game, I might even head down.
The link below is much better than any Kerry song I've ever heard.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KZEoIMy5rQY (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KZEoIMy5rQY)
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 02, 2012, 10:36:40 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on August 02, 2012, 10:32:24 PM
Saffron,is it not obvious by my post that i refute your ramblings,ok,ok, apart from your assertion about galvin of which i should have inserted in my last post but i was generalising.
Corkman or is that a misnomer,is there a correlation between lack of humour and tool or is it a cork thing.you have a varied vocab i see,gobshite and tool, soooooooo impresive,me soooooo hurt :'( 8).
At least the Corkman can use correct spacing when he types.
If i was you i'd concentrate on your own team of chokers, in fairness ye will still have one more match after the weekend, then as usual ye'll have yere asses handed to ye on a plate.
Such nonsense posted.anway about the game not feeling as confident about this one donegal seem to be some serious outfit.I expect a real tight low scoring match.safe trip to all
Quote from: johnpower on August 02, 2012, 10:47:01 PM
Such nonsense posted.anway about the game not feeling as confident about this one donegal seem to be some serious outfit.I expect a real tight low scoring match.safe trip to all
Reckon it will be tight and low scoring also. Reckon also Donegal may have gone easy in the league game earlier this year (may have been disqualified had it been badminton) and I reckon Gallagher is at the mind games about a high scoring affair.
Reminds me an awful lot of Tyrone in 03. I think it was Kieran Shannon who wrote that Kerry prepared for a shoot out and found themselves in a dog fight.
Hopefully right will prevail, but I fear Donegal will win.
Sunday will be a true test of Kerrys mettle against the northern teams. Beating a Tyrone team this year was like beating the Kerry team of 1990, a team past their sell by date. Donegal whilst not near the level of the Tyrone team of the 00's, will play at an intensity that Kerry will not be used to. Kerry undoubtedly have the better players but will they have the stomach for a battle? The caution and negative tactics of Jack of O'Connor could be their undoing. If they play their best players further up the field I can only see one winner. If not this is an arm wrestle that Donegal could well win.
Quote from: mlcollins on August 02, 2012, 10:32:24 PM
Corkman or is that a misnomer,is there a correlation between lack of humour and tool or is it a cork thing.you have a varied vocab i see,gobshite and tool, soooooooo impresive,me soooooo hurt :'( 8).
Varying vocab wouldn't be considered impressive in Cork, don't know about Kerry.
BTW, I'd say, based on the way you're slagging off other counties, you're fairly worried about this game Sunday. Can't think of anything positive to say about your own county so you try to bring down the teams expected to win Sunday.
Anyone looking for ticket for Sunday let me know have 1 spare for the cusack stand cost €30 but will negotiate on price
Listen corkboy you're obviously a sad individual,Worry about yere own game,we can look after our own,my god it's like conversing with a 6 year old and do you know what they would have more sense,anyway to come down to your level,i hope ye lose langer,LOL.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2012, 12:11:54 PM
Sunday will be a true test of Kerrys mettle against the northern teams. Beating a Tyrone team this year was like beating the Kerry team of 1990, a team past their sell by date. Donegal whilst not near the level of the Tyrone team of the 00's, will play at an intensity that Kerry will not be used to. Kerry undoubtedly have the better players but will they have the stomach for a battle? The caution and negative tactics of Jack of O'Connor could be their undoing. If they play their best players further up the field I can only see one winner. If not this is an arm wrestle that Donegal could well win.
Would say that Tyrone were a team in transition more than past their sell by - this will be he Tyrone 3.0 that Mickey Harte has managed so I'd give him more time. That out of the way, Kerry demolished Tyrone, but they will not get it anywhere as easy against Donegal...Donegal have taken the defensive elements of Tyrone and the attacking style of Dublin, in parts and ave been moulded into as formidable team as there has been this last 10 years. Donegal will be hard to beat and my view is that the response of the Kerry team after the Tyrone victory could see kerry peaking too soon.
Should be a cracker regardless
excitement is building!!! can't wait to get on the road tomorrow morning... counting the hours to 4 o'clock now.. see you all up there ! DÚN NA NGALL ABÚ
A lot of Donegals high expectation was based on how well they dispensed of Down in the Ulster final. Today's result between Down and Mayo brings a bit of perspective to that result.
c'mon donegal.... make your transition!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYAIJjZD1I0
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 04, 2012, 01:32:59 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2012, 12:11:54 PM
Sunday will be a true test of Kerrys mettle against the northern teams. Beating a Tyrone team this year was like beating the Kerry team of 1990, a team past their sell by date. Donegal whilst not near the level of the Tyrone team of the 00's, will play at an intensity that Kerry will not be used to. Kerry undoubtedly have the better players but will they have the stomach for a battle? The caution and negative tactics of Jack of O'Connor could be their undoing. If they play their best players further up the field I can only see one winner. If not this is an arm wrestle that Donegal could well win.
Would say that Tyrone were a team in transition more than past their sell by - this will be he Tyrone 3.0 that Mickey Harte has managed so I'd give him more time. That out of the way, Kerry demolished Tyrone, but they will not get it anywhere as easy against Donegal...Donegal have taken the defensive elements of Tyrone and the attacking style of Dublin, in parts and ave been moulded into as formidable team as there has been this last 10 years. Donegal will be hard to beat and my view is that the response of the Kerry team after the Tyrone victory could see kerry peaking too soon.
Should be a cracker regardless
Mon now. Donegal have been in one semi-final of late and were beaten by the only team to have played the Jim McGuinness Donegal @ their own game. Let's not get too carried away
Looking forward to this game more than any other in the last few years. Hope donegal can do it.
Surely kerry and donegal are the 2 nicest counties in ireland for a wee holiday
Hopefully this game will exceed some other recent games.
Really looking forward to this one. A real test for both these teams.
Donegal win by 1 or 2 points
Cant stand them but have my money on them
Quote from: J OGorman on August 05, 2012, 12:33:19 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 04, 2012, 01:32:59 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2012, 12:11:54 PM
Sunday will be a true test of Kerrys mettle against the northern teams. Beating a Tyrone team this year was like beating the Kerry team of 1990, a team past their sell by date. Donegal whilst not near the level of the Tyrone team of the 00's, will play at an intensity that Kerry will not be used to. Kerry undoubtedly have the better players but will they have the stomach for a battle? The caution and negative tactics of Jack of O'Connor could be their undoing. If they play their best players further up the field I can only see one winner. If not this is an arm wrestle that Donegal could well win.
Would say that Tyrone were a team in transition more than past their sell by - this will be he Tyrone 3.0 that Mickey Harte has managed so I'd give him more time. That out of the way, Kerry demolished Tyrone, but they will not get it anywhere as easy against Donegal...Donegal have taken the defensive elements of Tyrone and the attacking style of Dublin, in parts and ave been moulded into as formidable team as there has been this last 10 years. Donegal will be hard to beat and my view is that the response of the Kerry team after the Tyrone victory could see kerry peaking too soon.
Should be a cracker regardless
Mon now. Donegal have been in one semi-final of late and were beaten by the only team to have played the Jim McGuinness Donegal @ their own game. Let's not get too carried away
appreciate what you say there - watched them a few times this year, and I think they have made the transition into a formidable team...will know at 6.00 how formidable
I think Kerry have it.
What time is throw in? Or if its started, what's the score?
1-2 to 0-4 to donegal after 20mins
kerry better side
Kerry currently playing the blanket defence better than Donegal
Sidebum being his usual shamblic self on commentary. Has called three things wrong already, twice when Star kept the ball in and once when he called a clearly weak Kerry shot over the bar 3 seconds before it dropped into the keepers hands.
Have to say that the ref is favouring Kerry here in quite an obvious way.
First a free out to Kerry instead of a free in for a push in the back, then a Kerry defender clearly touched that on the ground, but when he picks it up he's hardly touched and he gives a free out.
How do Donegal get a free when their own player clash heads????
How do kerry keep getting frees when they very obviously fall to the ground? Is Marty Duffy another yes man for the kingdom? Why did he not book Killian young for his first off the ball tackle yet he has just booked 2 Donegal men for the same thing?
The future if football on display and its boring cynical Shite.
Duffy is a disgrace here at this stage
Ref is ridiculously biassed towards Kerry here. In all honesty if I hadnt have backed Donegal Id be quite pleased.
How is that an over carry there from Donegal?! And Kerry nearly score a goal from it!
Duffy, as usual, is doing his usual.
Should that not be a card for Sheehan? Just means he can get away with another cynical tackle
Why is the ref allowing Kerry to tackle any way they want, especially cynically, without fear of a yellow?
When's the last time Kerry were held to 5 points or fewer in the first half in Croke?
Quote from: Collins on August 05, 2012, 04:37:36 PM
Ref is ridiculously biassed towards Kerry here. In all honesty if I hadnt have backed Donegal Id be quite pleased.
How is that an over carry there from Donegal?! And Kerry nearly score a goal from it!
by christ yer wan pain in the hole...yer here a wet weekend and half the stuff ye have written is sicken oul shite.
the puke just got pukeier!
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 05, 2012, 04:40:51 PM
Quote from: Collins on August 05, 2012, 04:37:36 PM
Ref is ridiculously biassed towards Kerry here. In all honesty if I hadnt have backed Donegal Id be quite pleased.
How is that an over carry there from Donegal?! And Kerry nearly score a goal from it!
by christ yer wan pain in the hole...yer here a wet weekend and half the stuff ye have written is sicken oul shite.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m02efdOuA41r18wp6o1_500.jpg)
Maybe I'm watching a different match, but 90% of donegal tackles are fouls
Lovely day for a game, but this really is as expected. Hard to watch
duffy clearly favouring kerry - but if donegal stick at it they'll still win this game.
Quite enjoying this one. Good, tight, hard fought game.
Quote from: J OGorman on August 05, 2012, 04:43:22 PM
Maybe I'm watching a different match, but 90% of donegal tackles are fouls
Lovely day for a game, but this really is as expected. Hard to watch
Think you are watching a different match. Ref is favouring Kerry. Clear as day.
Enjoying this game. All to play for. Who did O Sullivan come on for?
Keeper one was soft all right, but there was half a dozen examples at least of Kerry getting the better of it from Duffy.
How about the 2 or 3 cynical challenges from Kerry men without even a ticking never mind a yellow? Yet he can't get his book out quick enough for a Donegal plyaer who has fouled.
Or the touch on the ground from a Kerry defender which would have gave Donegal a free from the 21?
Or how about the over carrying call which was never an over carrying, which led to a Gooch one on one?
Or the easy free given on the sideline to O'Se when he was hardly touched, fell over, and this after he had touched it on the ground?
Because for them to be ticked Duffy has to get his book out and tick them. He isn't intelligent enough to keep all the Kerry numbers in his head.
Doesnt matter anyway, because Donegal have made the same fouls and been booked for it while Kerrymen havent.
ANOTHER RIDICULOUSLY EASY FREE, THIS TIME FOR THE KERRY FULL BACK.
Quote from: Collins on August 05, 2012, 04:58:29 PM
ANOTHER RIDICULOUSLY EASY FREE, THIS TIME FOR THE KERRY FULL BACK.
Will you give it a rest
Another cynical foul on McHugh there, a third man tackle stopping the run. Amazingly Duffy does get his cards out. Suppose he couldnt have missed that.
Lovely play there from Donegal. Sheehan finally gets booked!
Quote from: Tubberman on August 05, 2012, 05:00:31 PM
Quote from: Collins on August 05, 2012, 04:58:29 PM
ANOTHER RIDICULOUSLY EASY FREE, THIS TIME FOR THE KERRY FULL BACK.
Will you give it a rest
Was it not an easy free out? Yes it was . Here's a wee hint. If you don't like me telling the truth, don't read my posts.
Kerry very cynical as usual taking out the man after the ball has been played. Duffy doing his best to keep Kerry in it
Quote from: tyronefan on August 05, 2012, 05:03:22 PM
Kerry very cynical as usual taking out the man after the ball has been played. Duffy doing his best to keep Kerry in it
Will you give it a rest? They don't want to hear it on here.
Kerry panicking. Bench emptyed
3 in it, 20mins left
Kerry look all over the shop - had many subs and many positional switches
Donegal exactly where they want to be
why did o'sullivan go off. was he injured or just not in the game?
Wasnt in the game but would still have him on.
very hard to watch, the puke football and blanket defence by Kerry
How good has McHugh been? Absolutely superb.
If Murphy was as good, the gap would be 6, not 3.
Liam Hayes would sicken your hole.
Duffy has been terribly inconsistent, the vast majority of them going in favour of Kerry.
Quote from: Collins on August 05, 2012, 05:04:24 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on August 05, 2012, 05:03:22 PM
Kerry very cynical as usual taking out the man after the ball has been played. Duffy doing his best to keep Kerry in it
Will you give it a rest? They don't want to hear it on here.
Kerry must have some hold on the GAA. Duffy doing everything to keep them in it. Should it not have been a lenister ref considering duffy is from sligo a neighbouring county to donegal.
Quote from: Keyser soze on August 05, 2012, 05:19:12 PM
Duffy has been terribly inconsistent, the vast majority of them going in favour of Kerry.
Give it a rest. ;)
Why didn't Duffy allow Toye on then? The ball was dead, the sub came on and Duffy told him to go off. Strange.
4 point lead, 9mins to go, can't see Kerry scoring a goal against this defence.
That's it now. Can't see Kerry coming back from 5 down. Donegal fitness and intensity is unreal, but attractive it is not.
All over, Kerry are well beat at this stage.
donegal have them
Clear square ball for the Kerry goal. Utter disgrace. Not hard to spot.
But yet the officials havent favoured Kerry today, right lads?
::)
feckn hell Kerry goal.
It's effective stuff by Donegal but not very attractive. Bulldozing their way to the semi. And just as I say that Kerry get a goal.
Backtrack!!
Good to see Kerry mike twice on tv sad and happy face
Duffy to play 5mins injury time to allow kerry to draw level or win (NAP)
Fcking hell, this is a great finish!!
Quote from: Tubberman on August 05, 2012, 05:24:47 PM
That's it now. Can't see Kerry coming back from 5 down. Donegal fitness and intensity is unreal, but attractive it is not.
You kidding? watching kerry getting humped is a joy to watch. well done Donegal. Brilliant stuff
Was Tyrone their All Ireland final? Well beat today the score flatters them really the goal was square ball and Donegal by far the better team... End of an era? Cork and Donegal is the AIF for me!
Fair play Donegal, stood up well when Kerry came back at them. The better team won, no doubt.
great stuff donegal!
cant believe they nearly blew a 6 point lead with 5 mins left.
Galvin will certainly be in tears today. ;)
Great result for Donegal. Fair play to McGuinness and his boys ... wonder what excuse that clown Sheehy will come up with after yet another defeat by a puke football playing Ulster team
Quote from: screenexile on August 05, 2012, 05:35:53 PM
Was Tyrone their All Ireland final? Well beat today the score flatters them really the goal was square ball and Donegal by far the better team... End of an era? Cork and Donegal is the AIF for me!
Yip defo, All-Ireland Final has been moved forward a few weeks.
Kerry almost lucky twice in one day, well done donegal fine win should have won by more
once again a Ulster team tamed the animals
Always sweet when a Northern team put manners on the great Kerry!
Especially when they overcome the usual bias of a Southern referee ;)
Back to the drawing board Jacky boy!!
The better team won. Well done Donegal.
I'm not from Kerry obviously, but the anti-Kerry stuff from a lot of Ulster posters on this board is a pain in the arse
Quote from: Oak Leafer on August 05, 2012, 05:41:40 PM
Always sweet when a Northern team put manners on the great Kerry!
Especially when they overcome the usual bias of a Southern referee ;)
Back to the drawing board Jacky boy!!
8)
Quote from: screenexile on August 05, 2012, 05:35:53 PM
Was Tyrone their All Ireland final? Well beat today the score flatters them really the goal was square ball and Donegal by far the better team... End of an era? Cork and Donegal is the AIF for me!
Let's hope that winning a 3rd round qualifier was indeed "as good as winning an All-Ireland" because it's as close as they will get to it for a while ;D.
Well done Donegal. The late (and seemingly illegal) goal set up a grandstand finish but really the margin flattered Kerry, they were well beaten and once again going into the last 15/20 mins when it was close Kerry were found wanting. They have some superb players and have been a great team but when it's been tight going into the final quarter of big games their record has not been great.
Donegal against Cork should be very interesting.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 05, 2012, 05:42:14 PM
I'm not from Kerry obviously, but the anti-Kerry stuff from a lot of Ulster posters on this board is a pain in the arse
The Tyrone ones are still a bit sore from a few weeks ago
Quote from: Tubberman on August 05, 2012, 05:42:14 PM
I'm not from Kerry obviously, but the anti-Kerry stuff from a lot of Ulster posters on this board is a pain in the arse
Kerry have themselves to blame for any ill-feeling towards them from Ulster.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 05, 2012, 05:42:14 PM
I'm not from Kerry obviously, but the anti-Kerry stuff from a lot of Ulster posters on this board is a pain in the arse
Not to mention all the basking in reflected glory. Which is a bit sad to be honest.
Quote from: Collins on August 05, 2012, 05:42:51 PM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on August 05, 2012, 05:41:40 PM
Always sweet when a Northern team put manners on the great Kerry!
Especially when they overcome the usual bias of a Southern referee ;)
Back to the drawing board Jacky boy!!
8)
"Southern"!!!!!!!!! ::)
alot of posters on this board hold grudges on kerry , winning too much all-irelands i suppose
Quote from: kuht on August 05, 2012, 05:45:11 PM
alot of posters on this board hold grudges on kerry , winning too much all-irelands i suppose
Mayo have had more bad days against Kerry than anyone, but there isn't the same level of bitterness.
Pity Donegal won.
I just don't like Donegal's style. Effective yes, but very dirty.
[Oh and I'm an Ulsterman]
Very intense stuff. Not so much jumping about and emotional speeches today.
Why are TV3and some posters talking about a square ball. I thought that rule was done away with except from free kicks????????
Quote from: Tubberman on August 05, 2012, 05:47:12 PM
Quote from: kuht on August 05, 2012, 05:45:11 PM
alot of posters on this board hold grudges on kerry , winning too much all-irelands i suppose
Mayo have had more bad days against Kerry than anyone, but there isn't the same level of bitterness.
Sure we even like Meath now.
Lads, let's not let northerm bias cloud how truly awful donegal are making football to watch. Teams are having to fight fire with fire when playing forenenst them. The semi will be the same etc etc
In all serious I'd never have thought I'd be cheering against donegal, but the Jim McGuinness version has done it for me
Quote from: Tubberman on August 05, 2012, 05:47:12 PM
Quote from: kuht on August 05, 2012, 05:45:11 PM
alot of posters on this board hold grudges on kerry , winning too much all-irelands i suppose
Mayo have had more bad days against Kerry than anyone, but there isn't the same level of bitterness.
Yes, but wait until you beat them a couple of times in the championship. Then you'll see what Kerry are like.
QuoteMayo have had more bad days against Kerry than anyone, but there isn't the same level of bitterness.
fair point not sure what it is so ???
Quote from: J OGorman on August 05, 2012, 05:48:49 PM
Lads, let's not let northerm bias cloud how truly awful donegal are making football to watch. Teams are having to fight fire with fire when playing forenenst them. The semi will be the same etc etc
In all serious I'd never have thought I'd be cheering against donegal, but the Jim McGuinness version has done it for me
Here we go again, as soon as Kerry are beaten we get the usual stuff. puke football from ulster blaa blaa
QuoteHere we go again, as soon as Kerry are beaten we get the usual stuff. puke football from ulster blaa blaa
Here we go again, as soon as Kerry are beaten we get the usual stuff. bottlers blah blah cant handle ulster teams blah blah divers blah finished team blah
Quote from: Chimley on August 05, 2012, 05:48:18 PM
Why are TV3and some posters talking about a square ball. I thought that rule was done away with except from free kicks????????
Yes Mayo and Cork got similar goals in their games. Totally confused by the new rules! ::)
Jazuz they are talking about famines on radio kerry :o
Quote from: tyronefan on August 05, 2012, 05:50:58 PM
Here we go again, as soon as Kerry are beaten we get the usual stuff. puke football from ulster blaa blaa
Its not just folks from the other provinces calling it what it is!
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 05, 2012, 05:47:32 PM
Pity Donegal won.
I just don't like Donegal's style. Effective yes, but very dirty.
[Oh and I'm an Ulsterman]
Same, would normally relish a Donegal victory over big opposition but they play football by numbers, it is not enjoyable. It's all about grinding out a victory, for 60 minutes that match was an cure for insomnia.
Nothing against Kerry really. If I hadnt have backed Donegal I'd have been cheering them (Kerry) on. But even if I was cheering them on, I'd still have the brains and the eyesight to know the ref today (who is "southern" unless you live in an alternate universe where the boarder doesn't exist) was clearly biassed towards them.
They are a superb side, always produce the best footballers to watch and have some beautiful spots in their county. Really friendly people too. I love going down there.
There are a few things that do annoy me about Kerry football though.
One would be the myth perpetuated by the media and Kerrymen themselves that they are somehow the Brazil or Barcelona of the GAA. They are not and haven't been for over 20 years. They play a defensive, negative, nasty, cynical game too, but just don't do it as well as the Tyrone's and Donegal's. I asked McGeeney about 8 years ago who was the hardest team he faced. Expecting him to say Tyrone, he said Kerry. He said Kerry are a very clever team, not to mention easily the hardest hitting team he faced. He told me that the next time I watch Kerry, look out for how many times their full forward line deliberately fouls the opposition to stop them counter attacking, but do it in such a way the ref won't tick or book them.
The second would be that after all the years of Kerrymen slabbering about defensive northern sides coming down and not playing proper football, playing puke football, ruining the game yada yada yada, they then turn to the same tactics and don't say a word. They act as if they don't do it at all and that we're all seeing things.
Thirdly, yes they have had the best teams and most All Irelands etc, but the way the draw favours them every year is a joke and how refs tend to favour them above other sides (not just Ulter teams) leaves a sour taste sometimes. They play in a shocking province, with one team to beat year in year out. And even then they are seeded to get to their provincial final, as if they needed any help! Same goes for Cork.
All in all though I like to watch them play more than any other county other than my own.
ye give Down supporters a bad name...a gabshite of the highest order.
Marty Duffy is not a southerner. He's a westerner.
The ref gave some bad calls to both teams in fairness
so kerry beating tyrone meant nothing in the end. i'm happy enough with that ;D
Quote from: Collins on August 05, 2012, 06:00:45 PM
Nothing against Kerry really. If I hadnt have backed Donegal I'd have been cheering them (Kerry) on. But even if I was cheering them on, I'd still have the brains and the eyesight to know the ref today (who is "southern" unless you live in an alternate universe where the boards doesn't exist) was clearly biassed towards them.
They are a superb side, always produce the best footballers to watch and have some beautiful spots in their county. Really friendly people too. I love going down there.
There are a few things that do annoy me about Kerry football though.
One would be the myth perpetuated by the media and Kerrymen themselves that they are somehow the Brazil or Barcelona of the GAA. They are not and haven't been for over 20 years. They play a defensive, negative, nasty, cynical game too, but just don't do it as well as the Tyrone's and Donegal's. I asked McGeeney about 8 years ago who was the hardest team he faced. Expecting him to say Tyrone, he said Kerry. He said Kerry are a very clever team, not to mention easily the hardest hitting team he faced. He told me that the next time I watch Kerry, look out for how many times their full forward line deliberately fouls the opposition to stop them counter attacking, but do it in such a way the ref won't tick or book them.
The second would be that after all the years of Kerrymen slabbering about defensive northern sides coming down and not playing proper football, playing puke football, ruining the game yada yada yada, they then turn to the same tactics and don't say a word. They act as if they don't do it at all and that we're all seeing things.
Thirdly, yes they have had the best teams and most All Irelands etc, but the way the draw favours them every year is a joke and how refs tend to favour them above other sides (not just Ulter teams) leaves a sour taste sometimes. They play in a shocking province, with one team to beat year in year out. And even then they are seeded to get to their provincial final, as if they needed any help! Same goes for Cork.
All in all though I like to watch them play more than any other county other than my own.
Would agree with a lot of that and unlike some of the purists here I found it a thoroughly absorbing game and there's no doubt the ref favoured Kerry.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 05, 2012, 06:02:24 PM
ye give Down supporters a bad name...a gabshite of the highest order.
Would you care to describe why I'm a gabshite? If you disagree with something I've posted, why don't you tell me why you disagree and think Im wrong? You know, help me see the light? Instead of just attacking me ad hominem. But then again we all know the type of person that argues ad hominem, don't we? (Go on, look it up, there's a good lad)
And to say I give other Down supporters a bad name, I'm afraid, shows your intellectual limitations. Just because I support one team doesn't mean I share all the same traits as other people who follow that very same side. To suggest otherwise is moronic in the extreme.
By the way, do you talk to people in the street like that? Because if you do you must have had a fair few beatings by now for being a mouthy wee p***k who lacks the intelligence or vocabulary to legitimately express an opinion.
absolutely heroic stuff from our boys. thought it would go down to the wire and just hoped we'd have our noses in front and so it proved.
best game of the weekend for me. magnificently intense game. the ref was truly shocking and made some awful decisions against both sides... don't think he's biased at all, merely a bad ref. hope that's the last game he gets.
Quote from: Chimley on August 05, 2012, 06:06:22 PM
Marty Duffy is not a southerner. He's a westerner.
It seems to this Collins lad that County Sligo is "Southern" despite Ulster counties Cavan and Monaghan being futher South and N.I. Ulster counties Armagh, Fermanagh, Down and Tyrone having huge swathes of their counties further south, just because Sligo is across the border, yet Donegal is "Northern" despite being also across the border.
The lad is so far off his rocker he is lying on the ground crying for his mammy.
Quote from: Mac2 on August 05, 2012, 06:11:43 PM
Quote from: Collins on August 05, 2012, 06:00:45 PM
Nothing against Kerry really. If I hadnt have backed Donegal I'd have been cheering them (Kerry) on. But even if I was cheering them on, I'd still have the brains and the eyesight to know the ref today (who is "southern" unless you live in an alternate universe where the boards doesn't exist) was clearly biassed towards them.
They are a superb side, always produce the best footballers to watch and have some beautiful spots in their county. Really friendly people too. I love going down there.
There are a few things that do annoy me about Kerry football though.
One would be the myth perpetuated by the media and Kerrymen themselves that they are somehow the Brazil or Barcelona of the GAA. They are not and haven't been for over 20 years. They play a defensive, negative, nasty, cynical game too, but just don't do it as well as the Tyrone's and Donegal's. I asked McGeeney about 8 years ago who was the hardest team he faced. Expecting him to say Tyrone, he said Kerry. He said Kerry are a very clever team, not to mention easily the hardest hitting team he faced. He told me that the next time I watch Kerry, look out for how many times their full forward line deliberately fouls the opposition to stop them counter attacking, but do it in such a way the ref won't tick or book them.
The second would be that after all the years of Kerrymen slabbering about defensive northern sides coming down and not playing proper football, playing puke football, ruining the game yada yada yada, they then turn to the same tactics and don't say a word. They act as if they don't do it at all and that we're all seeing things.
Thirdly, yes they have had the best teams and most All Irelands etc, but the way the draw favours them every year is a joke and how refs tend to favour them above other sides (not just Ulter teams) leaves a sour taste sometimes. They play in a shocking province, with one team to beat year in year out. And even then they are seeded to get to their provincial final, as if they needed any help! Same goes for Cork.
All in all though I like to watch them play more than any other county other than my own.
Would agree with a lot of that and unlike some of the purists here I found it a thoroughly absorbing game and there's no doubt the ref favoured Kerry.
I cant remember which year...might have been 2004? Kerry v Armagh...Galvin hit mcgeeny 3 times in the space of 20 minutes and made geezer pretty much ineffective for the remainder of the game...and that takes some doing.
Cynical and cute - not to say they have the monopoly on that (ahem...)
Congrats to Donegal. Well done the lads, they gave it a right good lash. It just wasn't to be.
Jeez some of the whinging and bitterness on here from some ulster posters over the last few pages is cringeworthy.Please go back to the hogan stand or where ever youse came from as this board is being ruined by your insane comments
Kerry gave it a good lash but tyrone was their all ireland . Donegal more like aughrim. Good for fuball .
Quote from: maigheo on August 05, 2012, 06:58:05 PM
Jeez some of the whinging and bitterness on here from some ulster posters over the last few pages is cringeworthy.Please go back to the hogan stand or where ever youse came from as this board is being ruined by your insane comments
I think we can all recognise that, surely sensible comments dont have to degenerate to their level
Donegal are hard to watch. Four fairly cynical teams left in it.
They are a great bunch of players no doubt. Tomas is still playing and to think he helped put Galway to the sword 12 years ago ! A different breed of men thats for sure.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 05, 2012, 07:03:10 PM
They are a great bunch of players no doubt. Tomas is still playing and to think he helped put Galway to the sword 12 years ago ! A different breed of men thats for sure.
Just to share what we have to put up with, and why theres a whole thread giving out about him, Mark Sidebottom of the bbc regarding Tomas O Se -
'83 appearances, incredible - I'd say he could make the 100 Oisin?'
20 minutes later:
'I'd say Tomas O Se could hang them up after this year'
;D
Quote from: bcarrier on August 05, 2012, 07:02:44 PM
Donegal are hard to watch. Four fairly cynical teams left in it.
If Kerry had won there would still be 4 fairly cynical teams left in it
Two defeats and Kerry are out maybe they should be given a third chance like their minors? Donegal's win proves Kerry still have problem's against the blanket defense and all the celebrating,tears of joy after the Tyrone win was all for nothing now.
Cork v Donegal will be some game.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 05, 2012, 05:54:00 PM
Quote from: Chimley on August 05, 2012, 05:48:18 PM
Why are TV3and some posters talking about a square ball. I thought that rule was done away with except from free kicks????????
Yes Mayo and Cork got similar goals in their games. Totally confused by the new rules! ::)
the player cant be in the square before the ball is kicked/passed
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 05, 2012, 06:49:36 PM
Congrats to Donegal. Well done the lads, they gave it a right good lash. It just wasn't to be.
thanks. was a right battle of a game and we got a scalp today that will do us the power of good belief-wise. best game of the weekend.
Quote from: cadence on August 05, 2012, 07:38:44 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 05, 2012, 06:49:36 PM
Congrats to Donegal. Well done the lads, they gave it a right good lash. It just wasn't to be.
thanks. was a right battle of a game and we got a scalp today that will do us the power of good belief-wise. best game of the weekend.
Both goals were square balls today so it evened itself out.
Effectively, Kerry had to play the equivalent of an Ulster Championship this year...
Quote from: haranguerer on August 05, 2012, 07:12:49 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 05, 2012, 07:03:10 PM
They are a great bunch of players no doubt. Tomas is still playing and to think he helped put Galway to the sword 12 years ago ! A different breed of men thats for sure.
Just to share what we have to put up with, and why theres a whole thread giving out about him, Mark Sidebottom of the bbc regarding Tomas O Se -
'83 appearances, incredible - I'd say he could make the 100 Oisin?'
9
20 minutes later:
'I'd say Tomas O Se could hang them up after this year'
;D
that will be of immense comfort to kerry people no doubt as they face into another winter gan Sam. But at least they did not throw it away this time. They just were not good enough and so they are as out as any other team that is out.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 05, 2012, 07:44:54 PM
Effectively, Kerry had to play the equivalent of an Ulster Championship this year...
100%
I'd expect the Kerry players who celebrated wildly in the faces of Tyrone players as if they'd already won the AI feel pretty silly now. Karma.
Congrats to Donegal, deserving winners, I really don't see them beating Cork thou.
Congrats again to Donegal on their first of many wins over the kingdom. I met some interesting Kerry 'fans' around me. Still, I enjoyed that today and KM if you fancy meeting fur a pint this evening let me know. I'm out with another lad from the board. I'll be well behaved don't worry.
Quote from: under the bar on August 05, 2012, 08:07:51 PM
I'd expect the Kerry players who celebrated wildly in the faces of Tyrone players as if they'd already won the AI feel pretty silly now. Karma.
kerry were dead right to celebrate after beating tyrone, played lovely football. There would be 31 miserable counties every year if no team could celebrate a win until the final
Its a good thing really being beaten twice by Cork would have been a disaster. I think the lads are entitled to "do a Tyrone" and sneak out early to recharge the batteries.
Quote from: under the bar on August 05, 2012, 08:07:51 PM
I'd expect the Kerry players who celebrated wildly in the faces of Tyrone players as if they'd already won the AI feel pretty silly now. Karma.
In all fairness it was a nice moment
Quote from: Collins on August 05, 2012, 06:12:17 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 05, 2012, 06:02:24 PM
ye give Down supporters a bad name...a gabshite of the highest order.
Would you care to describe why I'm a gabshite? If you disagree with something I've posted, why don't you tell me why you disagree and think Im wrong? You know, help me see the light? Instead of just attacking me ad hominem. But then again we all know the type of person that argues ad hominem, don't we? (Go on, look it up, there's a good lad)
And to say I give other Down supporters a bad name, I'm afraid, shows your intellectual limitations. Just because I support one team doesn't mean I share all the same traits as other people who follow that very same side. To suggest otherwise is moronic in the extreme.
By the way, do you talk to people in the street like that? Because if you do you must have had a fair few beatings by now for being a mouthy wee p***k who lacks the intelligence or vocabulary to legitimately express an opinion.
Think ive hit a wee nerve there.
Im not intending to hijack a thread and have it go off on a tangent by engaging in nonsense with posters.
Simply put i dont like the tone of alot of your messages and find alot of your views nonsensical or biased in the extreme.
I will say this for you though. You have an excellent grasp of the english language and an impressive range of vocabulary at your disposal.
You will go far. I look forward to lots of insightful and knowledgable musings from you in the future not just on the state of Down football but GAA in general, not to mention some more nuggets from your phrase book.
Never been called wee in my life before. :o
Great performance again from Donegal. Incredible intensity and deserved winners. Head and shoulders above everybody else in Ulster, Fingers crossed you will be celebrating success in late September.
Quote from: borderfox on August 05, 2012, 09:19:34 PM
Great performance again from Donegal. Incredible intensity and deserved winners. Head and shoulders above everybody else in Ulster, Fingers crossed you will be celebrating success in late September.
nice one borderfox. a heroic level of effort, and you could argue an even more difficult task of learning new ways to get us to the point of performing at this level. unfuckenreal.
Absolutely. f**k the begrudgers, enjoy your success. ;)
Quote from: borderfox on August 05, 2012, 09:45:30 PM
Absolutely. f**k the begrudgers, enjoy your success. ;)
thank you, and will do!
Well done Donegal. Pulsating game in the end after Kerry hit their purple patch in the last few minutes.
Donegal got a good slice of luck with their goal but there was nothing lucky about some of their scores especially from Mc Fadden.
Kerry forwards just couldn't handle the presure cooker environment and the amount of bodies. 15 players behind the ball at one stage today. The number of Donegal turnovers was incredible.
Mc Guinness doesn't care, nor does the team or supporters what it looks like - he's there to win. It's a results based industry as the saying goes.
Cork up next - that will be some tussle.
Cork will not be looking forward to it. But I am.
Cracking game, credit to Kerry for their efforts and the comeback, and delighted for this brilliant Donegal team. Fantastic game which is hopefully the intensity with which Gaelic football will be played at in the future. Well done all. Was allowed out to the pub just to watch the 100m final. Had 3 pints in 10 seconds. UP bolt
What's with some of the Kerry lads wearing their other teams jersies inside out. Just watching Sunday game now and that's at least twice now Star has done it. He took his goal well today & played a lot better than some of his team-mates. Was Spillane or Brolly on earlier?
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 05, 2012, 11:44:27 PM
What's with some of the Kerry lads wearing their other teams jersies inside out. Just watching Sunday game now and that's at least twice now Star has done it. He took his goal well today & played a lot better than some of his team-mates. Was Spillane or Brolly on earlier?
No thank f**k
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 05, 2012, 11:44:27 PM
What's with some of the Kerry lads wearing their other teams jersies inside out. Just watching Sunday game now and that's at least twice now Star has done it. He took his goal well today & played a lot better than some of his team-mates. Was Spillane or Brolly on earlier?
Don't think there is any badness in it, just a from hygene point of view the inside of the jersey would be very sweaty.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 05, 2012, 05:42:14 PM
I'm not from Kerry obviously, but the anti-Kerry stuff from a lot of Ulster posters on this board is a pain in the arse
I suppose when you have Kerry officials asking for crowd segregation at a club game because an Ulster team is involved, it kinda rubs many Ulster people up the wrong way. Added to this the attitude that negativity is an Ulster trait and that Kerry are the custodians of pure clean beautiful football, and it's not hard to see why Kerry aren't overly worshiped in Ulster.
Quote from: Orchardman on August 05, 2012, 08:32:44 PM
Quote from: under the bar on August 05, 2012, 08:07:51 PM
I'd expect the Kerry players who celebrated wildly in the faces of Tyrone players as if they'd already won the AI feel pretty silly now. Karma.
kerry were dead right to celebrate after beating tyrone, played lovely football. There would be 31 miserable counties every year if no team could celebrate a win until the final
(http://i.qkme.me/36d8kj.jpg)
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 06, 2012, 01:27:25 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 05, 2012, 05:42:14 PM
I'm not from Kerry obviously, but the anti-Kerry stuff from a lot of Ulster posters on this board is a pain in the arse
I suppose when you have Kerry officials asking for crowd segregation at a club game because an Ulster team is involved, it kinda rubs many Ulster people up the wrong way. Added to this the attitude that negativity is an Ulster trait and that Kerry are the custodians of pure clean beautiful football, and it's not hard to see why Kerry aren't overly worshiped in Ulster.
Ah will you quit with the auld sourness and cheer the f*$k up. Go out there and live a little.
Quote from: spuds on August 06, 2012, 01:33:21 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 06, 2012, 01:27:25 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 05, 2012, 05:42:14 PM
I'm not from Kerry obviously, but the anti-Kerry stuff from a lot of Ulster posters on this board is a pain in the arse
I suppose when you have Kerry officials asking for crowd segregation at a club game because an Ulster team is involved, it kinda rubs many Ulster people up the wrong way. Added to this the attitude that negativity is an Ulster trait and that Kerry are the custodians of pure clean beautiful football, and it's not hard to see why Kerry aren't overly worshiped in Ulster.
Ah will you quit with the auld sourness and cheer the f*$k up. Go out there and live a little.
Sour? It's my first comment on the thread. I'm just responding to a sour comment from tubberman and trying to help him see why many in Ulster don't revere Kerry in the way other do. So relax. And don't be so sour. ;)
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 06, 2012, 01:43:37 AM
Quote from: spuds on August 06, 2012, 01:33:21 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on August 06, 2012, 01:27:25 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 05, 2012, 05:42:14 PM
I'm not from Kerry obviously, but the anti-Kerry stuff from a lot of Ulster posters on this board is a pain in the arse
I suppose when you have Kerry officials asking for crowd segregation at a club game because an Ulster team is involved, it kinda rubs many Ulster people up the wrong way. Added to this the attitude that negativity is an Ulster trait and that Kerry are the custodians of pure clean beautiful football, and it's not hard to see why Kerry aren't overly worshiped in Ulster.
Ah will you quit with the auld sourness and cheer the f*$k up. Go out there and live a little.
Sour? It's my first comment on the thread. I'm just responding to a sour comment from tubberman and trying to help him see why many in Ulster don't revere Kerry in the way other do. So relax. And don't be so sour. ;)
Kerry are great so they are.
Congrats to Donegal, the better team won. Because of that the loss will rest easily on the physique. Hopefully now they will go all the way. intriguing how Cork will cope with the Donegal system if they find themselves in the same circumstance.
To those anti Kerry people try and get over this success hatred syndrome. Come join us when we do actually lose, which is often, you may even come to like us. I really believe ye have the problem.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 05, 2012, 08:43:51 PM
Its a good thing really being beaten twice by Cork would have been a disaster. I think the lads are entitled to "do a Tyrone" and sneak out early to recharge the batteries.
Fair dues Mike and well said.
I believe the explanation for a lot of the unnecessary anti-Kerry venom on this and other forums stems from a base human trait called envy. The Kingdom have what most other counties would love to have even 1/4 off, namely and big bundle of Sams.
Whilst I love to taunt and play with the Kerry lads there is no disrespect intended.
Donegal abu and keep the Ulster flag flying high.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 05, 2012, 05:47:12 PM
Quote from: kuht on August 05, 2012, 05:45:11 PM
alot of posters on this board hold grudges on kerry , winning too much all-irelands i suppose
Mayo have had more bad days against Kerry than anyone, but there isn't the same level of bitterness.
Really? I'm thrilled they lost.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 06, 2012, 09:08:38 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 05, 2012, 05:47:12 PM
Quote from: kuht on August 05, 2012, 05:45:11 PM
alot of posters on this board hold grudges on kerry , winning too much all-irelands i suppose
Mayo have had more bad days against Kerry than anyone, but there isn't the same level of bitterness.
Really? I'm thrilled they lost.
If only to wipe the sneer off Spillane's thick head
McGuinness will not be happy with that last 5mins. Donegal should have won by 10pts playing at around 80% capacity. Fair play to Kerry though playing to the very end. And that is the end too.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 06, 2012, 09:08:38 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 05, 2012, 05:47:12 PM
Quote from: kuht on August 05, 2012, 05:45:11 PM
alot of posters on this board hold grudges on kerry , winning too much all-irelands i suppose
Mayo have had more bad days against Kerry than anyone, but there isn't the same level of bitterness.
Really? I'm thrilled they lost.
I didn't say there was nobody in Mayo happy to see Kerry lose, just not the same level of bitterness ;)
Great win for Donegal.
The scoreline however doesnt reflect how much more dominant Donegal were. From about 58 minutes Kerry looked as if they were resigned to losing. Donaghys goal gave a little bit of impetus but all too late. For a team of the experience Kerry has there is a trait, outlined by Brolly several weeks ago. Like him or not the article on Kerry bullying the likes of Mayo every year isnt far of the mark. They dont like it up them.
Mc Guinness had a better gameplan, however the worrying aspect for Donegal is reverting to similar tactics of football as last year once a lit bit of pressure applied. Without a greater offensive element they will have no hope against Cork.
Although Micheal Murphy is generally accepted as a very good player, thought he was poor yesterday, especially under the high ball. Maybe Kerry once again paid too much attention to the star forward and paid the cost.
Donegal should have won that a lot handier and they didn't really played that well apart from a spell in 2nd half. Kerry have always been kucjy enough as far as injuries go, but lost too many yesterday, no shape at all. Always hard to know what to make of Cork, semi will be interesting, winner of that game to lift it.
Congratulations Donegal...
Can any of ya's tell me what you's are feeding Neil McGee up there?!...Throwing Kalum King around like a rag-doll against Down in the Ulster Final and walking through Kerry boys for fun yesterday...Complete powerhouse...
Great to see Colm McFadden on song aswell...He forever endeared himself to me when he threw that punch v Tyrone (I forget which player he hit) a few years back completely aware that it would be seen by all and he would serve a lengthy suspension but he had decided it would be worth it...
Disappointed by Michael Murphy again yesterday though...
Karl Lacey 50/1 for player of the year!!!!...Been excellent all year and we all know he has two big games in him (should they beat cork)...might have a nibble...
Quote from: Seamus on August 06, 2012, 06:06:12 AM
To those anti Kerry people try and get over this success hatred syndrome. Come join us when we do actually lose, which is often, you may even come to like us. I really believe ye have the problem.
Kerry football can be a joy to watch but certain supporters are a pain in the dhera .
Quote from: seafoid on August 06, 2012, 11:10:31 AM
Quote from: Seamus on August 06, 2012, 06:06:12 AM
To those anti Kerry people try and get over this success hatred syndrome. Come join us when we do actually lose, which is often, you may even come to like us. I really believe ye have the problem.
Kerry football can be a joy to watch but certain supporters are a pain in the dhera .
'Can be' is right, but Kerry have been playing as much puke football as their lessers this past few years.
Yesterday, a very noticeable Kerry tactic was to continually follow through with a cynical body check Donegal players after they had released the ball.
Their defensive setup against Tyrone was as blanket as a king size duvet. Add in the diving, mouthing at refs and opponents and you'd wonder where it went wrong for the 'saviours of football'.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on August 06, 2012, 11:30:38 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 06, 2012, 11:10:31 AM
Quote from: Seamus on August 06, 2012, 06:06:12 AM
To those anti Kerry people try and get over this success hatred syndrome. Come join us when we do actually lose, which is often, you may even come to like us. I really believe ye have the problem.
Kerry football can be a joy to watch but certain supporters are a pain in the dhera .
'Can be' is right, but Kerry have been playing as much puke football as their lessers this past few years.
Yesterday, a very noticeable Kerry tactic was to continually follow through with a cynical body check Donegal players after they had released the ball.
Their defensive setup against Tyrone was as blanket as a king size duvet. Add in the diving, mouthing at refs and opponents and you'd wonder where it went wrong for the 'saviours of football'.
They patented that tactic years ago
There'll be a readout in Kerry now Id imagine. End of an era for some great servants. Like Tyrone I think it will be years before they will be a force again.
Congratulations to Donegal. Hope they go all the way.
And depsite all the negative criticsm that the players and management attract, out of all the 4 quarter final games this weekend, this one was the most enthralling and exciting. (as have been most of the highly competitive games they are involved in)
Great footballers though they were, it'll be good to see the end of two such nasty and dirty players as Tomás O Sé and Paul Galvin though Galvin might stay on another year or until he actually maims someone on the pitch. I expect the whingesome threesome of Donaghy, Cooper and Declan O'Sullivan to stay on another while, but , lets face it, Kerry are finished and they played their All Ireland in Killarney against a woeful, past-it Tyrone, there is nothing growing in the garden for them. They will retain the ability to knock-out a big gun in the qualifiers or a QF, but I don't expect to see them raising Sam for many years, perhaps not seeing them in September for years either.
I've put together a tactical analysis piece on this game here http://action81.com/blog/?p=6117
Good man Emmet, and you called it correctly in your preview.
Dirk digler,ye have enough dirty players in yere own county and were one of the first to master it and indeed may i say kerry will be in croker far sooner than yere crowd now f**ck off you nordie BASTARD.
Quote from: mlcollins on August 06, 2012, 02:05:03 PM
Dirk digler,ye have enough dirty players in yere own county and were one of the first to master it and indeed may i say kerry will be in croker far sooner than yere crowd now f**ck off you nordie b**tard.
You have no idea where I am from, but true to form the anti-Ulster hatred seeps from a Kerryman like pus from an infected wound. I don't enjoy Donegal's style of play ( not that Kerry don't know about doing the blanket defence either) but was delighted for their fans yesterday, and even more delighted to see the sour Kerry faces on the pitch and in the stands after they discovered yet another Ulster bogey team . Galvin and Tomás O Sé are dirty, cynical players who know no level they will not stoop to, and great footballers though they were, I could never like them. And there is nothing in Kerry to replace them. Let the famine continue. 8)
The two of ye should f**k off to hoganstand or a playground somewhere to fight it out.
Ah yes just another jealous sad bastard and by the way are you ASHAMED of your county,the fact that you didn't indicate it.It's obvious you come from somewhere where is little success,what a sad little man you are,oh and by the way kerry will never be too off the mark,that's our tradition,our history sc**bag.
Quote from: mlcollins on August 06, 2012, 02:22:42 PM
Ah yes just another jealous sad b**tard and by the way are you ASHAMED of your county,the fact that you didn't indicate it.It's obvious you come from somewhere where is little success,what a sad little man you are,oh and by the way kerry will never be too off the mark,that's our tradition,our history sc**bag.
I'd say a (characteristiclly) sore loser, biiter Kerryman ranting expletive filled drivel like a drunken tr**p on the street about Tyrone and Ulster football (though you have no idea where I am from) is the ultimate in internet forum sadness.
Oh, and by the way, Kerry are finished, finito,out the gap, gone - and will not be missed. Let the famine continue, and slán go fóill 8)
What part of Carlow you from Dirk?
I have a funny feeling you would know a lot about tramps, still ashamed of your county i see, now giving the colour orange would indicate you're either a dutchman or a nordie from armagh or else you like the colour orange , your spelling is quite poor which could indicate you coming from a socially deprived area and the jealousy of your posts would indicate that you have intimacy issues which leaves me to ponder how you got access to a computer in a psychiatric unit.
;D
Such bitterness and lack of decency from a bad loser Kerryman, but nothing new there.
Suck it up hillbillyboy, you'll have to get used to it for the next decade. Let the famine continue 8)
well done to Donegal yesterday, abit hairy with a couple of mins to go but well and by far the better team. As say after the cork game, Kerry have alot of mileage on the clock, Outside the Tyrone game they have been very poor all year. Tomas O`Se was their best Kerry player on display yesterday, but at 34 that's worrying for Kerry. Some say he`s dirty, i just settle for hardy, overtakes Paul Curran as the best NO.5 every to play the game. Kerry will need Tommy Walsh and David Moran back next year plus blood 5 or 6 new lads. Cork be on top in Munster for a few years to come am afraid. Donegal have a good chance against Cork although the sheer size and power of the Cork would concern me
First of all you aint decent,call my ripostes a sort of counter transferance if you like and it's plain to see here who is bitter. Sore loser,you're having a laugh,we can take our beating well, it's only when individuals like you, who hide behind their computer and are even too ASHAMED to indicate their county and at the same time act like a WUM / TROLL putting down a county that has just been beaten don't deserve anything but basic contempt. It's obvious you're a cowardly cretin.
Quote from: mlcollins on August 06, 2012, 03:11:54 PM
First of all you aint decent,call my ripostes a sort of counter transferance if you like and it's plain to see here who is bitter. Sore loser,you're having a laugh,we can take our beating well, it's only when individuals like you, who hide behind their computer and are even too ASHAMED to indicate their county and at the same time act like a WUM / TROLL putting down a county that has just been beaten don't deserve anything but basic contempt. It's obvious you're a cowardly cretin.
What are you hiding behind, hillbillyboy? And consistently appalling grammatical structure ( I won't mention your terrible spelling seeing as you place such proud emphasis on it), some type of abusive stream of consciousness . Try to compose the words in a coherent structure rather than just mashing the keyboard in fury with your fists, did you learn anything in the hedge school ? You'd want to learn to deal with the bitterness consuming you over the winter ( it'll be a long one for you, heeheeheee) and coming years as you will not get any antidote for it from the Kerry football team. Bye bye, Tomás. Bye bye O'Mahony. Bye bye "Brazil". Hello famine. ;D
::) My previous assertion of your mental state grows stronger and stronger but then again coming from another country ye have more lax rules re: sectioning. This echolalia thing is further symptomatic of your unbalanced mental state but then again what would you expect from a TROLLy dolly ;) LOL, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, bye bye saddo. 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands.
You sound like Eliza Doolittle in the early stages of trying to "talk proper".
"Turty shix All Irelands, turty shix All Irelands" - you won't be changing it "turty sheven" for many years and well you know it, heeheeheee.
Quote from: mlcollins on August 06, 2012, 03:11:54 PM
First of all you aint decent,call my ripostes a sort of counter transferance if you like and it's plain to see here who is bitter. Sore loser,you're having a laugh,we can take our beating well, it's only when individuals like you, who hide behind their computer and are even too ASHAMED to indicate their county and at the same time act like a WUM / TROLL putting down a county that has just been beaten don't deserve anything but basic contempt. It's obvious you're a coward
troll . Are you from cork by any chance
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Calls himself after a fictional pornstar. Hmmmmmmmmm. Cocky!
Quote from: Dirk Diggler on August 06, 2012, 04:10:51 PM
You sound like Eliza Doolittle in the early stages of trying to "talk proper".
"Turty shix All Irelands, turty shix All Irelands" - you won't be changing it "turty sheven" for many years and well you know it, heeheeheee.
36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, haha, nice little ring to it. 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, the glory of it all.
Quote from: Seamus on August 06, 2012, 06:06:12 AM
To those anti Kerry people try and get over this success hatred syndrome. Come join us when we do actually lose, which is often, you may even come to like us. I really believe ye have the problem.
I wouldn't worry too much Seamus. Its 95% Tyrone posters and they are cunningly using the words north and ulster a lot in their posts. Much like Bush's oil army using the phrase 'coalition forces'..comfort in numbers!
Up ulster
Donegal are some outfit they are men on a mission and they are fearless, i thought that game was absorbing, hard hitting and everything was out there on the table, they just refused to let Kerry intimidate or even beat them.
Kerry are tremendous ambassadors for Gaelic football, they will take this hard for a while and then they will lick their wounds and get right back to preparing for next year.
I am glad Donegal won but I admire the hell out of Kerry however Donegal go on and meet Cork, now that will be a clinker, I will disagree with my friend Benny and I think Donegal will take Cork................. Just. A lot depends on which Cork team shows up I suppose, sometimes they are great and other times they are terrible.
Quote from: mlcollins on August 06, 2012, 04:35:59 PM
Quote from: Dirk Diggler on August 06, 2012, 04:10:51 PM
You sound like Eliza Doolittle in the early stages of trying to "talk proper".
"Turty shix All Irelands, turty shix All Irelands" - you won't be changing it "turty sheven" for many years and well you know it, heeheeheee.
36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, haha, nice little ring to it. 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, the glory of it all.
For f**k sake
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 06, 2012, 10:45:43 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on August 06, 2012, 04:35:59 PM
Quote from: Dirk Diggler on August 06, 2012, 04:10:51 PM
You sound like Eliza Doolittle in the early stages of trying to "talk proper".
"Turty shix All Irelands, turty shix All Irelands" - you won't be changing it "turty sheven" for many years and well you know it, heeheeheee.
36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, haha, nice little ring to it. 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, the glory of it all.
For f**k sake
He's obviously pre-pubescent, let him have his taunt! ;)
Quote from: mlcollins on August 06, 2012, 04:35:59 PM
Quote from: Dirk Diggler on August 06, 2012, 04:10:51 PM
You sound like Eliza Doolittle in the early stages of trying to "talk proper".
"Turty shix All Irelands, turty shix All Irelands" - you won't be changing it "turty sheven" for many years and well you know it, heeheeheee.
36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, haha, nice little ring to it. 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, the glory of it all.
It has if your 12 year old and want to ignore Sunday's damaging defeat.
Quote from: mlcollins on August 06, 2012, 03:58:59 PM
::) My previous assertion of your mental state grows stronger and stronger but then again coming from another country ye have more lax rules re: sectioning. This echolalia thing is further symptomatic of your unbalanced mental state but then again what would you expect from a TROLLy dolly ;) LOL, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, bye bye saddo. 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands.
Two Mike Sheehys. Theres only two Mike Sheehys...
its every Donegal mans right and duty to get behind their team. What would the Donegal men on here backing their team's tactics to the hilt, 'results industry', 'I dont care if we won 0-01 to 0-00'' etc etc, think when every county, and then club adopts this 14 man defence approach? Every game will be ultra defensive and cynical and pretty much unwatchable. Esp @ club level as the fitness and conditioning wont be near what Donegal's is. The men wont be able to break up the field on mass.
For the neutral, albeit mostly ulster men (well mostly Tyrone) with a chip on their shoulder re our southern brethren, who seem to think Jim McGuinness's Donegal's style is 'fascinating', 'absorbing' and the like..what will you think when this becomes the norm? Every bucking game the same, 14 man defence.
To qualify, I'm from Donegal stock, the vast majority of my family live in Donegal. I work in the county. I've nothing but love for the county. I had one of my best curts in the trees outside the Milford Inn after a chicken basket one night. The Silver Tassie does the best Sunday carvery on the planet There is nothing personal in the questions above. Its from a purely footballing point of view.
Congrats to Donegal from a downbeat Kerry fan. I thought the Donegal footballers and supporters were a credit to their county. Donegal showed great defensive grit, and attacked with great speed, numbers and purpose and in McFadden they had a player who's accuracy was phenomenal.
Donegal won because of their great tanacity, scoring ability and just all-round played better. Well done and I hope ye go all the way now.
I was impressed by both teams on Sunday to be fair to Kerry they didn't throw in the towel despite the loss of a few key men. Donegal did fall asleep and if they do this against Cork they will be punished. I felt that Kerry's jubliation in defeating us (Tyrone) was a bit pathetic given that they had only defeated a team who was a pale shadow of 2008 and felt that ultimately they would be found out on the bigger stage which has happened. We have a hard times ahead of us in Tyrone and I'm not convinced we will be AI contenders for a long time our underage startlets do not seem to be able to cut the mustard and none are of the ilk of the men of 98. Kerry face a similar fate if O'Mahoney, the O'Se's, Brosnan and Galvin call it day any time soon and time is not on their side. There is also the question of who will manage Kerry in 2013? I feel that whoever manages Kerry faces the prospect of rebuilding the team coupled with unrealistic expectations of some fans. To conclude only a fool would write of the Green and Gold and I'd be surprised if they're not still playing football in August 2013 but maybe they won't be the force they were.
Quote from: blanketattack on August 07, 2012, 11:16:00 AM
Congrats to Donegal from a downbeat Kerry fan. I thought the Donegal footballers and supporters were a credit to their county. Donegal showed great defensive grit, and attacked with great speed, numbers and purpose and in McFadden they had a player who's accuracy was phenomenal.
Donegal won because of their great tanacity, scoring ability and just all-round played better.
Well said but Kerry's late comeback was a credit to them too and the response to it was a credit to donegal.
I enjoyed this fascinating contest -and contest is the operative word - and would much prefer this to a challenge game 3-20 to 2-18 type of game that some think is wonderful.
Cork/Donegal will be some tussle. :D and I for one am looking forward to it.
Great win by Donegal but was willing Curtin to score the equaliser just so that there'd be extra time. Kerry will be ruing a few things over the winter, Cooper not squaring the ball to O'Donoghue, injuries to key players, the goal they conceded at a critical time. Once Donegal got their noses in front I thought they were tactically excellent. Defending in numbers and breaking at speed to score point after point would have broken anyone else's heart, fair play to the Kingdom for nearly pulling it back. Cork will prove a tougher battle though I think, should be another tight contest.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on August 07, 2012, 02:15:31 PM
Great win by Donegal but was willing Curtin to score the equaliser just so that there'd be extra time. Kerry will be ruing a few things over the winter, Cooper not squaring the ball to O'Donoghue, injuries to key players, the goal they conceded at a critical time. Once Donegal got their noses in front I thought they were tactically excellent. Defending in numbers and breaking at speed to score point after point would have broken anyone else's heart, fair play to the Kingdom for nearly pulling it back. Cork will prove a tougher battle though I think, should be another tight contest.
A replay ?
You'd have had to wait for the replay on Saturday Croí. ;D
Quote from: mlcollins on August 06, 2012, 03:58:59 PM
::) My previous assertion of your mental state grows stronger and stronger but then again coming from another country ye have more lax rules re: sectioning. This echolalia thing is further symptomatic of your unbalanced mental state but then again what would you expect from a TROLLy dolly ;) LOL, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, bye bye saddo. 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands.
And that's how ye'll stay, boy. No more All-Irelands for ye for a while.
Quote from: blanketattack on August 07, 2012, 11:16:00 AM
Congrats to Donegal from a downbeat Kerry fan. I thought the Donegal footballers and supporters were a credit to their county. Donegal showed great defensive grit, and attacked with great speed, numbers and purpose and in McFadden they had a player who's accuracy was phenomenal.
Donegal won because of their great tanacity, scoring ability and just all-round played better. Well done and I hope ye go all the way now.
Simple, short and excellent post Blanket. A lot of us (not just Kerry fans) could learn to reply like this when we lose.
I am sure others will say the same about being good winners.
No whinging about Donegal's tactics or how they're spoiling the game. That talk is for maybe November or December time if you think that way. You have to beat what's out there and whilst I too don't like the way Donegal play or how they beat us the last 2 years, you still have to say its some turnaround from where they were in 2010.
You have to ask yourself why can't more team learn from this and reach such levels?
I too am now looking forward to the Cork game and I think Cork could be sh*tting themselves as they've known in the past to collapse when things are up against them.
Were people amazed how much long ball was kicked into Donegal's FF line on Sunday?
Also disappointed how quiet Galvin & Gooch was on Sunday. Donegal are masters at snuffing out your danger men.
Mark McHugh really got his hands on a lot of ball and his Dooher style non stop running is immense
Quote from: Rossfan on August 07, 2012, 02:54:06 PM
You'd have had to wait for the replay on Saturday Croí. ;D
Was there a rule change this year so that quarter finals don't go to extra time any more?
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 07, 2012, 03:06:34 PM
Were people amazed how much long ball was kicked into Donegal's FF line on Sunday?
Yep, that's the one thing that struck me about the game. Firstly, that they did so much of it, and secondly how poor quality it was. If they deliver as much easy ball to the Cork defence they'll not get away as handy.
I felt that had Donegal persisted with their hard running game, they would have destroyed Kerry. They don't have that many good footballers at the end of the day but their athleticism more than makes up for it.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 07, 2012, 03:06:34 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 07, 2012, 11:16:00 AM
Congrats to Donegal from a downbeat Kerry fan. I thought the Donegal footballers and supporters were a credit to their county. Donegal showed great defensive grit, and attacked with great speed, numbers and purpose and in McFadden they had a player who's accuracy was phenomenal.
Donegal won because of their great tanacity, scoring ability and just all-round played better. Well done and I hope ye go all the way now.
Simple, short and excellent post Blanket. A lot of us (not just Kerry fans) could learn to reply like this when we lose.
I am sure others will say the same about being good winners.
No whinging about Donegal's tactics or how they're spoiling the game. That talk is for maybe November or December time if you think that way. You have to beat what's out there and whilst I too don't like the way Donegal play or how they beat us the last 2 years, you still have to say its some turnaround from where they were in 2010.
You have to ask yourself why can't more team learn from this and reach such levels?
I too am now looking forward to the Cork game and I think Cork could be sh*tting themselves as they've known in the past to collapse when things are up against them.
Were people amazed how much long ball was kicked into Donegal's FF line on Sunday?
Also disappointed how quiet Galvin & Gooch was on Sunday. Donegal are masters at snuffing out your danger men.
Mark McHugh really got his hands on a lot of ball and his Dooher style non stop running is immense
If I saw anything terrible about the style of play I would have mentioned it. Donegal defended in droves like any decent intecounty team does in hurling or football, but they attacked in droves as well. It was actually one of the cleanest games of football I've seen in Croke Park in years, both on and off the ball.
Well done to Donegal on Sunday.It will make for some semi final with Cork. Hopefully Jack and the team can get time contrmplate there future. I was pleased that they did not throw in the towel and kept plugging away at it.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on August 07, 2012, 03:11:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 07, 2012, 02:54:06 PM
You'd have had to wait for the replay on Saturday Croí. ;D
Was there a rule change this year so that quarter finals don't go to extra time any more?
Yes extra games means extra cash.
Quote from: J OGorman on August 07, 2012, 10:47:28 AM
its every Donegal mans right and duty to get behind their team. What would the Donegal men on here backing their team's tactics to the hilt, 'results industry', 'I dont care if we won 0-01 to 0-00'' etc etc, think when every county, and then club adopts this 14 man defence approach? Every game will be ultra defensive and cynical and pretty much unwatchable. Esp @ club level as the fitness and conditioning wont be near what Donegal's is. The men wont be able to break up the field on mass.
For the neutral, albeit mostly ulster men (well mostly Tyrone) with a chip on their shoulder re our southern brethren, who seem to think Jim McGuinness's Donegal's style is 'fascinating', 'absorbing' and the like..what will you think when this becomes the norm? Every bucking game the same, 14 man defence.
To qualify, I'm from Donegal stock, the vast majority of my family live in Donegal. I work in the county. I've nothing but love for the county. I had one of my best curts in the trees outside the Milford Inn after a chicken basket one night. The Silver Tassie does the best Sunday carvery on the planet There is nothing personal in the questions above. Its from a purely footballing point of view.
was being rhetorical j with the one to zip there.
+ i know the inn well. a mecca for courting and sausage suppers.
Quote from: cadence on August 07, 2012, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on August 07, 2012, 10:47:28 AM
its every Donegal mans right and duty to get behind their team. What would the Donegal men on here backing their team's tactics to the hilt, 'results industry', 'I dont care if we won 0-01 to 0-00'' etc etc, think when every county, and then club adopts this 14 man defence approach? Every game will be ultra defensive and cynical and pretty much unwatchable. Esp @ club level as the fitness and conditioning wont be near what Donegal's is. The men wont be able to break up the field on mass.
For the neutral, albeit mostly ulster men (well mostly Tyrone) with a chip on their shoulder re our southern brethren, who seem to think Jim McGuinness's Donegal's style is 'fascinating', 'absorbing' and the like..what will you think when this becomes the norm? Every bucking game the same, 14 man defence.
To qualify, I'm from Donegal stock, the vast majority of my family live in Donegal. I work in the county. I've nothing but love for the county. I had one of my best curts in the trees outside the Milford Inn after a chicken basket one night. The Silver Tassie does the best Sunday carvery on the planet There is nothing personal in the questions above. Its from a purely footballing point of view.
was being rhetorical j with the one to zip there.
+ i know the inn well. a mecca for courting and sausage suppers.
RIP the Milford Inn Cadence! Sad times. Suppers through the hatch, white hi-tec leagues and a lift after in some mad hooers link box
Quote from: J OGorman on August 07, 2012, 09:31:17 PM
Quote from: cadence on August 07, 2012, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on August 07, 2012, 10:47:28 AM
its every Donegal mans right and duty to get behind their team. What would the Donegal men on here backing their team's tactics to the hilt, 'results industry', 'I dont care if we won 0-01 to 0-00'' etc etc, think when every county, and then club adopts this 14 man defence approach? Every game will be ultra defensive and cynical and pretty much unwatchable. Esp @ club level as the fitness and conditioning wont be near what Donegal's is. The men wont be able to break up the field on mass.
For the neutral, albeit mostly ulster men (well mostly Tyrone) with a chip on their shoulder re our southern brethren, who seem to think Jim McGuinness's Donegal's style is 'fascinating', 'absorbing' and the like..what will you think when this becomes the norm? Every bucking game the same, 14 man defence.
To qualify, I'm from Donegal stock, the vast majority of my family live in Donegal. I work in the county. I've nothing but love for the county. I had one of my best curts in the trees outside the Milford Inn after a chicken basket one night. The Silver Tassie does the best Sunday carvery on the planet There is nothing personal in the questions above. Its from a purely footballing point of view.
was being rhetorical j with the one to zip there.
+ i know the inn well. a mecca for courting and sausage suppers.
RIP the Milford Inn Cadence! Sad times. Suppers through the hatch, white hi-tec leagues and a lift after in some mad hooers link box
;D lightning strikes or the memories to boot.... i'm feeling it!
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 07, 2012, 08:54:26 AM
Quote from: mlcollins on August 06, 2012, 03:58:59 PM
::) My previous assertion of your mental state grows stronger and stronger but then again coming from another country ye have more lax rules re: sectioning. This echolalia thing is further symptomatic of your unbalanced mental state but then again what would you expect from a TROLLy dolly ;) LOL, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, bye bye saddo. 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands.
Two Mike Sheehys. Theres only two Mike Sheehys...
Two Dirk Digglers, there's only two Dirk Digglers....
Well done Donegal! Was so delighted that I watched the full Derrytresk v Dromid Pearse's match last night again to celebrate.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 08, 2012, 09:59:41 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 07, 2012, 08:54:26 AM
Quote from: mlcollins on August 06, 2012, 03:58:59 PM
::) My previous assertion of your mental state grows stronger and stronger but then again coming from another country ye have more lax rules re: sectioning. This echolalia thing is further symptomatic of your unbalanced mental state but then again what would you expect from a TROLLy dolly ;) LOL, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, bye bye saddo. 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands.
Two Mike Sheehys. Theres only two Mike Sheehys...
Two Dirk Digglers, there's only two Dirk Digglers....
the real Mike Sheehy would be proud
Quote from: J OGorman on August 08, 2012, 12:20:33 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 08, 2012, 09:59:41 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 07, 2012, 08:54:26 AM
Quote from: mlcollins on August 06, 2012, 03:58:59 PM
::) My previous assertion of your mental state grows stronger and stronger but then again coming from another country ye have more lax rules re: sectioning. This echolalia thing is further symptomatic of your unbalanced mental state but then again what would you expect from a TROLLy dolly ;) LOL, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, bye bye saddo. 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands.
Two Mike Sheehys. Theres only two Mike Sheehys...
Two Dirk Digglers, there's only two Dirk Digglers....
the real Mike Sheehy would be proud
Embarrassed, I'd say
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 08, 2012, 10:50:55 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on August 08, 2012, 12:20:33 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 08, 2012, 09:59:41 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 07, 2012, 08:54:26 AM
Quote from: mlcollins on August 06, 2012, 03:58:59 PM
::) My previous assertion of your mental state grows stronger and stronger but then again coming from another country ye have more lax rules re: sectioning. This echolalia thing is further symptomatic of your unbalanced mental state but then again what would you expect from a TROLLy dolly ;) LOL, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, bye bye saddo. 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands, 36 all-irelands.
Two Mike Sheehys. Theres only two Mike Sheehys...
Two Dirk Digglers, there's only two Dirk Digglers....
the real Mike Sheehy would be proud
Embarrassed, I'd say
Embarrassed for you, yes. You were strangely absent on the board when it mattered.
Make no mistake about it, Tyrone Kerry this year appears to have been an irrelevance in the whole scheme of things. Neither team were near the top table and were shadows of their former selves. The game wasnt in Croke Park where Kerry havent beaten Tyrone from 1986, it was home advantage 300 miles from home for Tyrone which gave Kerry a huge advantage before the game even started, it wasnt a semi final or final, and on hindsight we built it up to be something based on two historically great teams. How wrong we were. The teams to beat now are not Tyrone and Kerry but Donegal, Cork, Dublin and time will tell us on Mayo. To say something matters when it patently dosnt overall, shows an egotistic delusionary strait, which I for one would be embarassed for you Mike as Im sure sensible Kerry folk would too.
Everything is cyclical though. The worry now for Kerry is where the talent to replace some of these quality players and the worry for Tyrone is how they bring quality underage players through.
It still takes a hugely impressive defensive system to beat Kerry. Donegal have that this year and Tyrone have had it but the legs aren't there any more. I think there are teams left Kerry would beat.
I don't think Kerry are as far gone as people think. Tyrone need new blood. They just haven't had enough coming through to seniors in the last few years. They'd be needing quality players of the 24/25 mark to step up now but , unless I'm mistaken, don't seem to have them.
Due to who they are though teams still fear them. I can't see Kerry players retiring en masse just yet. Tyrone maybe.
Jack O'Connor has confirmed to the Chairman of Kerry County Committee Patrick O'Sullivan that he has resigned as Kerry Senior Team manager.
The Chairman wishes on behalf of Kerry GAA to thank Jack, his selectors and backroom team for all their commitment and hard work over the past number of years.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 11, 2012, 03:04:44 PM
Jack O'Connor has confirmed to the Chairman of Kerry County Committee Patrick O'Sullivan that he has resigned as Kerry Senior Team manager.
The Chairman wishes on behalf of Kerry GAA to thank Jack, his selectors and backroom team for all their commitment and hard work over the past number of years.
wonder how many players will call it a day now? blow to kerry this i would have thought.
No doubt it is a blow for Kerry. I wonder will it influemce the retirement decisions of some of the senior players? It will be an interesting few months for Kerry football.
True John, it adds to the fin de siecle sentiments for Kerry football
Billy Keane is still bullish in de Indo today anyway. Saying Kerry will still win an All-Ireland in the next two years. Maybe even the next two on the trot.
I'd have a lot of respect for Jack O'Connor. He was a very good manager who got an awful lot more right than wrong. I'd say two of his sweetest days were the Armagh QF in 2006 and AIF in 2009, two games where his tactical input was a key factor.
Where this leaves Kerry will be interesting. A new guy could come in and keep things ticking over with the same squad and Kerry wouldn't be far from winning an All-Ireland. And in Kerry the only objective at the start of any year is to win the Sam Maguire. But the longer Kerry delay over-hauling the squad the longer it will be for the 'new' Kerry team to bed in and win an All Ireland of their own further down the line.
I think the opening might have come too soon for Eamon Fitzmaurice who may prefer to keep working with the under-21s for another couple of years until he takes over with his Kerry group of players. Until then, maybe John Evans would be a good option?
Quote from: eviemonkey on August 11, 2012, 10:10:22 PM
I'd have a lot of respect for Jack O'Connor. He was a very good manager who got an awful lot more right than wrong. I'd say two of his sweetest days were the Armagh QF in 2006 and AIF in 2009, two games where his tactical input was a key factor.
Where this leaves Kerry will be interesting. A new guy could come in and keep things ticking over with the same squad and Kerry wouldn't be far from winning an All-Ireland. And in Kerry the only objective at the start of any year is to win the Sam Maguire. But the longer Kerry delay over-hauling the squad the longer it will be for the 'new' Kerry team to bed in and win an All Ireland of their own further down the line.
I think the opening might have come too soon for Eamon Fitzmaurice who may prefer to keep working with the under-21s for another couple of years until he takes over with his Kerry group of players. Until then, maybe John Evans would be a good option?
I agree with you. I think some times managers stay on too long. The thing is that most people wanted him to stay. Is it me or is Footballl getting much more serious.
Quote from: johnpower on August 11, 2012, 10:20:50 PM
I agree with you. I think some times managers stay on too long. The thing is that most people wanted him to stay. Is it me or is Footballl getting much more serious.
I think he was right to stay on this year. It would have been very difficult to walk away from the game after losing last year's All-Ireland in the manner they did. If he retired last winter there would always have been a lingering element of 'if what'. Better to stay on a year too late than retire too early.
Football is a serious business these days and directly or indirectly I think the 'results-first' philosophy inhibited O'Connor's thinking this year. At times Kerry seemed to be playing with the hand-brake on. The gameplan was more conservative than before, with an over-emphasis on the lateral hand-passing and as a result too much slow ball going in to the inside forward line.
The pressure to succeed is always there in Kerry, but maybe over the last 12 months they became too pragmatic and lost a bit of their 'off the cuff' style of football which didn't suit them?
Quote from: eviemonkey on August 11, 2012, 10:42:53 PM
Quote from: johnpower on August 11, 2012, 10:20:50 PM
I agree with you. I think some times managers stay on too long. The thing is that most people wanted him to stay. Is it me or is Footballl getting much more serious.
I think he was right to stay on this year. It would have been very difficult to walk away from the game after losing last year's All-Ireland in the manner they did. If he retired last winter there would always have been a lingering element of 'if what'. Better to stay on a year too late than retire too early.
Football is a serious business these days and directly or indirectly I think the 'results-first' philosophy inhibited O'Connor's thinking this year. At times Kerry seemed to be playing with the hand-brake on. The gameplan was more conservative than before, with an over-emphasis on the lateral hand-passing and as a result too much slow ball going in to the inside forward line.
The pressure to succeed is always there in Kerry, but maybe over the last 12 months they became too pragmatic and lost a bit of their 'off the cuff' style of football which didn't suit them?
Yes I agree but look at the teams in the last 4. I expect the this type of guff to be spouted on talk shows and written on forums and in print (Dublin if they dont win back to backs will be dismissed as lucky .Cork despite been around a long time will be dismissed as having only won 1 against a poor Down team and Mayo will get the same guff)
Usain Bolt to visit Donegal. To the winners the spoils!
Yeah that was inevitable as he already had the kit from last year.
They'll probably play him as another sweeper rather than his favourite No 7 position
Is that McGlynn in the background.
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