"No Republican was prepared to appear on this programme"
For the 40th Anniversary of Bloody Friday, BBC NI has produced a 1 hour documentary on the atrocity. Unfortunately I believe BBC iPlayer is not available outside the UK, since I feel this should be compulsory viewing for every Irish person, tough going though it is.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01kxsxn/Bloody_Friday/
I think it says a lot about the BBCs attitude that programmes such as this of general interest to discourse in this island are restricted in this way, although there are no Hollywood rights or the like involved.
Do they intend doing a follow up on this programme, perhaps enlightening people on what happened on 17 May 1974, the day with the most casualties in that particular conflict?
Quote from: armaghniac on July 21, 2012, 06:04:23 PM
I think it says a lot about the BBCs attitude that programmes such as this of general interest to discourse in this island are restricted in this way, although there are no Hollywood rights or the like involved.
I'm not sure that from the thousands of programmes they make every year, they can easily pick and choose which individual programmes might be of interest to particular markets etc (though personally I'd just love this to be shown in the United States, in particular).
Anyhow, if you are in Armagh/UK, do you have any comments on the programme?
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 21, 2012, 06:18:00 PM
Do they intend doing a follow up on this programme, perhaps enlightening people on what happened on 17 May 1974, the day with the most casualties in that particular conflict?
No idea, but I suspect we may have to wait until 17 May 2014 to know.
In the meantime, if you're still in Liverpool and so can access iPlayer, do you have any comments on the programme?
Or do you just prefer to indulge in "Whataboutery"?
QuoteI'm not sure they can pick and choose through all the thousands of programmes they make every year which individual programmes might be of interest to particular markets etc
They can. All locally produced NI programmes, news, documentaries, sports etc should be made available in the ROI. Not rocket science. Their present policy is simply a "couldn't be arsed" response to any different needs in NI.
QuoteAnyhow, if you are in Armagh/UK, do you have any comments on the programme?
I do not reside in Armagh and cannot see the programme.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 21, 2012, 06:18:00 PM
Do they intend doing a follow up on this programme, perhaps enlightening people on what happened on 17 May 1974, the day with the most casualties in that particular conflict?
Perhaps it could be shown in Great Britain to educate the people there about the activities of their Government in murdering the Citizens of a fellow EU member State.
A Government who won't co operate with or make documents available to an Enquiry.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 21, 2012, 06:49:05 PM
QuoteI'm not sure they can pick and choose through all the thousands of programmes they make every year which individual programmes might be of interest to particular markets etc
They can. All locally produced NI programmes, news, documentaries, sports etc should be made available in the ROI. Not rocket science. Their present policy is simply a "couldn't be arsed" response to any different needs in NI.
Why? Should the BBC make an exception for one country out of 200+? Are they Licence payers?
Would RTE and the commercial channels be happy for a Broadcaster in another jurisdiction to take viewers away from their own programming?
Do you know the technical feasibility and legal implications of doing this?
Quote from: armaghniac on July 21, 2012, 06:49:05 PM
Their present policy is simply a "couldn't be arsed" response to any different needs in NI.
Eh? That doesn't make any sense.
All "needs" in NI, "different" or otherwise, have access to BBC iPlayer. Plus the original programme itself, of course.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 21, 2012, 08:50:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 21, 2012, 06:18:00 PM
Do they intend doing a follow up on this programme, perhaps enlightening people on what happened on 17 May 1974, the day with the most casualties in that particular conflict?
Perhaps it could be shown in Great Britain to educate the people there about the activities of their Government in murdering the Citizens of a fellow EU member State.
A Government who won't co operate with or make documents available to an Enquiry.
More "Whataboutery", then.
Meanwhile, with 170 Views to date, at least some of which must come from NI/GB, and no Republican on here is prepared to comment on this programme...
QuoteWhy? Should the BBC make an exception for one country out of 200+? Are they Licence payers?
Don't always be obtuse, EG. No need to be a WUM all of the time.
QuoteDo you know the technical feasibility and legal implications of doing this?
There are none, as you well know.
Quote from: Evil Genius on July 21, 2012, 09:24:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 21, 2012, 08:50:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 21, 2012, 06:18:00 PM
Do they intend doing a follow up on this programme, perhaps enlightening people on what happened on 17 May 1974, the day with the most casualties in that particular conflict?
Perhaps it could be shown in Great Britain to educate the people there about the activities of their Government in murdering the Citizens of a fellow EU member State.
A Government who won't co operate with or make documents available to an Enquiry.
More "Whataboutery", then.
"Whataboutery~" - the great escape word for Unionists who want to avoid all those inconvenient truths eh ?
Danny Morrison felt shame about it.
QuoteFor the 40th Anniversary of Bloody Friday, BBC NI has produced a 1 hour documentary on the atrocity. Unfortunately I believe BBC iPlayer is not available outside the UK, since I feel this should be compulsory viewing for every Irish person, tough going though it is.
why every Irish person?
Why do you seek the opinions of Armagh board members in particular?
I can't access the video, though I do recall the horrific day itself.
I don't entirely subscribe to your distaste for whataboutery. Yes, it often seeks to shift focus from the question at hand, but sometimes it serves to expose hypocrisy. e.g. like someone voicing horror at murder while at the same time expressing satisfaction with the outcome of that very action as in the Finucane case.
Oraisteach - This is in the public consciousness because it is the 40th anniversary today.
I know, Minder. I was just wondering why EG was canvassing the opinions of Armagh board members.
Quote from: Oraisteach on July 21, 2012, 11:14:38 PM
I know, Minder. I was just wondering why EG was canvassing the opinions of Armagh board members.
Because they were knocked out of the Championship early and have nothing else to be doing?
I, too, would like to know why EG thinks every Irish person needs to see this on a "compulsory" basis.
Quote from: Oraisteach on July 21, 2012, 11:14:38 PM
I know, Minder. I was just wondering why EG was canvassing the opinions of Armagh board members.
In direct response to Armaghniac being from Armagh
I must be thick, Tony. So if someone from Hackballscross posted something, EG would seek feedback from Louth posters. The 1972 bombings occurred in Belfast, didn't they, and affected all of us in the North.
I didn't watch it, I can't be arsed really.
I think to my-self, there are still a few out there to-day who are prepared to return to those death and destruction days.
If I could access it, I'd definitely watch it. With TYP on this one. Was 17 at the time.
Quote from: Take Your Points on July 22, 2012, 05:13:27 PM
I watched it and it was tough viewing with the concentration on the victims and their families. Too often the victims remain statistics and rarely are portrayed as people.
Well worth watching, I was 14 at that time and I think everyone under 30 should watch this programme to see the devastation caused by such violence and its futility.
What makes you think violence is futile?
The Brits held half the globe through the use of violence and Hilter was overthrown through the use of violence. Hardly futile.
Watched the programme, uncomfortable viewing. Was in central Belfast that day, uncomfortable viewing.
Was not long into my teens when this happened.The scenes on tv on the night in question, particularly the shovelling of human remains into plastic bags remain to this day among the most harrowing of the entire troubles.A grim day indeed, like so many more achieved nothing but heartache and misery.
Was not long into my teens when this happened.The scenes on tv on the night in question, particularly the shovelling of human remains into plastic bags remain to this day among the most harrowing of the entire troubles.A grim day indeed, like so many more achieved nothing but heartache and misery.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 22, 2012, 12:25:19 AM
I, too, would like to know why EG thinks every Irish person needs to see this on a "compulsory" basis.
So would I.
Will watch later tonight.
Well, I cannot watch it on iPlayer as I am outside of the UK.
Still waiting for EG to let me know why he thinks I am obliged to watch it.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 23, 2012, 11:26:44 AM
Well, I cannot watch it on iPlayer as I am outside of the UK.
Expat Shield (http://www.expatshield.com/). It's the business
I missed it, must watch it on the iPlayer.
Just a note EG: RTE Player is available in the north, except for programming which clashes with BBC, BSKYb or ITV,
Is it not time to give up on these anniversaries? I lived through it all once.
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 23, 2012, 01:34:39 PM
Is it not time to give up on these anniversaries? I lived through it all once.
Agree.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=20038.msg1129117;topicseen#msg1129117
Always sad when youngsters are murdered, as the fella that lost his wife, a mother of 7, said about the IRA - "absolute mindless morons", summed it up. All for nothing.
1972 was a shocking year by any standards.
http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/1972.html (http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/1972.html)
Quote from: saffron sam2 on July 23, 2012, 09:45:44 PM
1972 was a shocking year by any standards.
http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/1972.html (http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/1972.html)
Jesus - nearly every day.
Brendan Hughes wrote a lot of stuff about Gerry Adams when interviewed by the Boston college thing. It was used by many unionists as strong evidence that Gerry was the man in charge on the street, ordered killings and ordered that Jean McConville be shot. In those same interviews Hughes, if i recall correctly, said that more bombs blew up than what they had planted. Did that come up at all on the program?
Quote from: Take Your Points on July 23, 2012, 10:44:20 PM
Actually, it was the opposite as more bombs were planted than exploded, from memory two were defused and at least two didn't explode.
Big difference as Myles post infers a conspiracy.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 23, 2012, 10:45:21 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on July 23, 2012, 10:44:20 PM
Actually, it was the opposite as more bombs were planted than exploded, from memory two were defused and at least two didn't explode.
Big difference as Myles post infers a conspiracy.
I don't have the book to hand but I'm almost certain Hughes said that.
Amid the carnage of 1972, two deaths stand out in my memory (see SaffronSam's post)—the March 29 death of Ruby Johnson and the August 7 death of the soldier Geoffrey Knipe.
Sean O'Hagan wrote a poignant piece about Ruby Johnson's death. Like myself, he grew up in Drumarg, not far from the Ring Road where the awful incident happened.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2002/apr/21/features.magazine37
The best literary piece I've read about this whole period is Chapter 11 of Robert McLiam Wilson's novel Eureka Street. Worth a glance if you can get your hands on it.
Quote from: Oraisteach on July 22, 2012, 01:51:46 AM
I must be thick, Tony. So if someone from Hackballscross posted something, EG would seek feedback from Louth posters. The 1972 bombings occurred in Belfast, didn't they, and affected all of us in the North.
you are far from thick Orais, he just blames Armagh for every prod that was terminated during his governments illegal occupation of our land.
Apparently he is wullie frazer in drag, ::) and the fact he forgot to start the bloody Sunday thread speaks volumes.
In an earlier post i said, more or less i would hate this to come back. It is worth watching? Yes. OK, we could watch other programes about other, for want of a word, atrocites. Each to me a horror story that happenened when i was young. I carried the coffins of two of my friends who were killed when at work. I think of them to-day. My boy hood friend who joined the IRA and was killed, i think of him and miss him. I talked to his Mum a few weeks after his funeral and said i'm sorry i could not attend. She understood why as they lived in a area i could not go into because, maybe i would not get out alive again.
Quote from: stew on July 24, 2012, 02:10:17 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on July 22, 2012, 01:51:46 AM
I must be thick, Tony. So if someone from Hackballscross posted something, EG would seek feedback from Louth posters. The 1972 bombings occurred in Belfast, didn't they, and affected all of us in the North.
you are far from thick Orais, he just blames Armagh for every prod that was terminated during his governments illegal occupation of our land.
Apparently he is wullie frazer in drag, ::) and the fact he forgot to start the bloody Sunday thread speaks volumes.
WTF?