We can expect a big improvement but Cork wont want to lose 2 on the bounce either. We looked very flat the last day and our confidence was shot long before the end so it s hard to know how we will respond to that drubbing. Physically we were dwarfed by Donegal and Cork are another big lot.
I hope Horan freshens the team up a bit. Limited if the u21s are still tied up but likes of Campbell and Conroy can hardly make things worse.
Size is a worry though. Half of Sunday s team were under 6'. Several of them well under. And it s not like they make up for it in bulk. A win and we could make the semis yet.
Of the three games left, Cork at home looks the only one possable to keep us up. Like all Cork/Mayo (League) games it depends what sort of Cork team turns up. There's a part of me that wants us to stay in Division One, but not make the Semi-finals. Bad results in the League knock-out stages in the past have left us a shambles going into the Championship. And I believe a quiet entrance into the championship is what we need (like last year).
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 20, 2012, 03:34:26 PM
Of the three games left, Cork at home looks the only one possable to keep us up. Like all Cork/Mayo (League) games it depends what sort of Cork team turns up. There's a part of me that wants us to stay in Division One, but not make the Semi-finals. Bad results in the League knock-out stages in the past have left us a shambles going into the Championship. And I believe a quiet entrance into the championship is what we need (like last year).
You don't play Leitrim until late June would it not important to reach the semi final at least? As for this game Cork will have a point to prove after that championship defeat good job Mayo have home advantage.
I wasn't at the Donegal match but was at the Down game and the abandoned Dublin game.
I was struck by the fitness of 3 Mayo players in particular: Conor Mortimer, Andy Moran & Aidan O'Shea.
The first two are coming back from injury and obviously worked very hard at getting themselves into great shape. The latter played Sigerson, but so did some of the others. O'Shea must have wintered very, very well.
Donegal play their 1st Championship match against Cavan on the 20th May. That is less than 9 weeks away. If they are not right for that they could be in the back door round 1 with a long dangerous slog ahead of them. As I said I didn't see the game but they are obviously well ahead of us in preparation.
We play our 1st Championship game on the 24th June. Even if it were played in Carrick or London we would be expecting a win but in Castlebar it is hard to see any other result. Realistically our target is the 15th July and the Connacht Final. That is nearly 17 weeks away.
Logically you would expect us to be preparing for that and thus we would be many weeks behind Donegal in terms of preparation. However that would apply to the work done collectively. It is a credit to the two players that were injured, and in particular Aidan O'Shea, that they showed up for the season in such good shape.
Quote from: ross4life on March 20, 2012, 04:49:14 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 20, 2012, 03:34:26 PM
Of the three games left, Cork at home looks the only one possable to keep us up. Like all Cork/Mayo (League) games it depends what sort of Cork team turns up. There's a part of me that wants us to stay in Division One, but not make the Semi-finals. Bad results in the League knock-out stages in the past have left us a shambles going into the Championship. And I believe a quiet entrance into the championship is what we need (like last year).
You don't play Leitrim until late June would it not important to reach the semi final at least? As for this game Cork will have a point to prove after that championship defeat good job Mayo have home advantage.
Like Muppet says, We are on a longer road to the Champonship than the rest of the country. The League would be (very) nice to win. But Mayo are never going to do that. Qualifying for the Knockouts i feel often (as in the past) Knocks the stuffing out of us. Since our recent success in 2001 we've had a few semi-final and final disasters in the league and have gone into the Championship punch drunk!
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 20, 2012, 08:55:19 PM
Quote from: ross4life on March 20, 2012, 04:49:14 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 20, 2012, 03:34:26 PM
Of the three games left, Cork at home looks the only one possable to keep us up. Like all Cork/Mayo (League) games it depends what sort of Cork team turns up. There's a part of me that wants us to stay in Division One, but not make the Semi-finals. Bad results in the League knock-out stages in the past have left us a shambles going into the Championship. And I believe a quiet entrance into the championship is what we need (like last year).
You don't play Leitrim until late June would it not important to reach the semi final at least? As for this game Cork will have a point to prove after that championship defeat good job Mayo have home advantage.
Like Muppet says, We are on a longer road to the Champonship than the rest of the country. The League would be (very) nice to win. But Mayo are never going to do that. Qualifying for the Knockouts i feel often (as in the past) Knocks the stuffing out of us. Since our recent success in 2001 we've had a few semi-final and final disasters in the league and have gone into the Championship punch drunk!
A reassuring take by Muppet on the events the other day. I sincerely hope he s right and I m not going to argue about it.
But I think we should be able to try and reach the knock-out stages of the league without being afraid of the shit being kicked out of us. There s two ways of looking at this.
You Bunker are suggesting a bad beating in the knockout stages would knock the stuffing out of us for the championship.
I on the other hand would like to sort out the grain from the chaff early. If we re brittle enough to get a beating now we may as well get it and identify where the weaknesses are. You can t hide in this game and we would be only be putting off the inevitable until the championship gets serious and we ve had enough lessons there as well. Horan s team has got a trimming the last day anyway and their heads were down long before the end. And it s not like that there was a Mayo crowd getting on their back - only a few home fans having a laugh. Horan will have learned a lot about his players from that beating, and now is the time to be getting it - not when the days are getting short. He has 3 league games left to repair damaged confidence by getting a few good performances and sorting out the selection and tactics. He s saying a lot of the right things except there seems to be an emphasis on workrate in his interviews that bothers me a bit. Workrate is a gimmie and there is a lot of other things wrong besides workrate. In fact workrate was one thing that couldn t be faulted the last day.
On a more positive note McGarrity is getting fit enough to train again, if he is wanted. He probably is needed, although he is probably a long way from playing at this stage. He was in good form 12 months ago before his injuries and it will take time and a clear run from injuries to get back there at all. I also expect Trevor to return. I know some have written him off but imo he s a must-have for another few years. We wouldn t have got out of London last year without him. I always think likes of Dillon and Andy play better when Trevor is around.
Good old Muppet. And last night's events in Kiltoom mean the Cillian O'Connor conflict is now resolved (at a price). Tremble, Rebels, tremble!
Cork team for Sunday:
1)Alan Quirke
2)Ray Carey
3)Micheal Shields
4)Eoin Cotter
5)Noel O'Leary
6)Graham Canty
7)Paudie Kissane
8 )Pearse O'Neil
9)Alan O'Connor
10)Fintan Goold
11)Mark Collins
12)Patrick Kelly
13)Colm O'Neil
14)Aidan Walsh
15)Donnacha O'Connor
looking forward to this LOL ;DLOL ;D
Quote from: muppet on March 20, 2012, 07:07:44 PM
I wasn't at the Donegal match but was at the Down game and the abandoned Dublin game.
I was struck by the fitness of 3 Mayo players in particular: Conor Mortimer, Andy Moran & Aidan O'Shea.
The first two are coming back from injury and obviously worked very hard at getting themselves into great shape. The latter played Sigerson, but so did some of the others. O'Shea must have wintered very, very well.
Donegal play their 1st Championship match against Cavan on the 20th May. That is less than 9 weeks away. If they are not right for that they could be in the back door round 1 with a long dangerous slog ahead of them. As I said I didn't see the game but they are obviously well ahead of us in preparation.
We play our 1st Championship game on the 24th June. Even if it were played in Carrick or London we would be expecting a win but in Castlebar it is hard to see any other result. Realistically our target is the 15th July and the Connacht Final. That is nearly 17 weeks away.
Logically you would expect us to be preparing for that and thus we would be many weeks behind Donegal in terms of preparation. However that would apply to the work done collectively. It is a credit to the two players that were injured, and in particular Aidan O'Shea, that they showed up for the season in such good shape.
I don't get this, are you saying he's overweight?
Quote from: Jinxy on March 22, 2012, 09:23:17 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 20, 2012, 07:07:44 PM
I wasn't at the Donegal match but was at the Down game and the abandoned Dublin game.
I was struck by the fitness of 3 Mayo players in particular: Conor Mortimer, Andy Moran & Aidan O'Shea.
The first two are coming back from injury and obviously worked very hard at getting themselves into great shape. The latter played Sigerson, but so did some of the others. O'Shea must have wintered very, very well.
Donegal play their 1st Championship match against Cavan on the 20th May. That is less than 9 weeks away. If they are not right for that they could be in the back door round 1 with a long dangerous slog ahead of them. As I said I didn't see the game but they are obviously well ahead of us in preparation.
We play our 1st Championship game on the 24th June. Even if it were played in Carrick or London we would be expecting a win but in Castlebar it is hard to see any other result. Realistically our target is the 15th July and the Connacht Final. That is nearly 17 weeks away.
Logically you would expect us to be preparing for that and thus we would be many weeks behind Donegal in terms of preparation. However that would apply to the work done collectively. It is a credit to the two players that were injured, and in particular Aidan O'Shea, that they showed up for the season in such good shape.
I don't get this, are you saying he's overweight?
I must admit I was a bit confused with the 'wintered well' bit. I always tok the expression to mean that somebody enjoyed the dark months and festive season a bit too much and put on the condition.
However, clearly Aidan put in the effort and looks in the best shape ever.
Quote from: moysider on March 22, 2012, 10:18:17 PM
I must admit I was a bit confused with the 'wintered well' bit. I always tok the expression to mean that somebody enjoyed the dark months and festive season a bit too much and put on the condition.
However, clearly Aidan put in the effort and looks in the best shape ever.
Didn't realise it was a metaphor for showing up overweight. I meant the literal meaning, i.e. he did a lot of work over the winter.
I wasn't confused at all muppet 8)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 22, 2012, 10:39:50 PM
I wasn't confused at all muppet 8)
If you are not confused about Mayo football, you don't understand the problem.
I see Mayo are finally correcting the eyesore press box at McHale park where did the Mayo Gaa get the money for that?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 22, 2012, 10:39:50 PM
I wasn't confused at all muppet 8)
Hmmm. You know as well as I that when you put a weanling indoors for the winter, to protect it from the winter airs, and you feed it well, you expect it to gain weight than loose weight! Same for a man that does not have to forage, and is sated with beer and gravy. Hence 'Winter well'.
Quote from: moysider on March 23, 2012, 12:01:46 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 22, 2012, 10:39:50 PM
I wasn't confused at all muppet 8)
Hmmm. You know as well as I that when you put a weanling indoors for the winter, to protect it from the winter airs, and you feed it well, you expect it to gain weight than loose weight! Same for a man that does not have to forage, and is sated with beer and gravy. Hence 'Winter well'.
Jaysus lads, what a life it would be if a man no longer had to forage but was permanently sated with beer and gravy. Damned Troika. :(
Quote from: muppet on March 20, 2012, 07:07:44 PM
I wasn't at the Donegal match but was at the Down game and the abandoned Dublin game.
I was struck by the fitness of 3 Mayo players in particular: Conor Mortimer, Andy Moran & Aidan O'Shea.
The first two are coming back from injury and obviously worked very hard at getting themselves into great shape. The latter played Sigerson, but so did some of the others. O'Shea must have wintered very, very well.
Donegal play their 1st Championship match against Cavan on the 20th May. That is less than 9 weeks away. If they are not right for that they could be in the back door round 1 with a long dangerous slog ahead of them. As I said I didn't see the game but they are obviously well ahead of us in preparation.
We play our 1st Championship game on the 24th June. Even if it were played in Carrick or London we would be expecting a win but in Castlebar it is hard to see any other result. Realistically our target is the 15th July and the Connacht Final. That is nearly 17 weeks away.
Logically you would expect us to be preparing for that and thus we would be many weeks behind Donegal in terms of preparation. However that would apply to the work done collectively. It is a credit to the two players that were injured, and in particular Aidan O'Shea, that they showed up for the season in such good shape.
There is some comfort in what you say alright and Mayo may well be a different article when the Connacht Championship comes around. I suppose there is no merit in having the team peak early with the opening game against Leitrim so far off but getting knocked out of the league early brings its own disadvantages.
If Mayo fail to make the knock out stages or, worse still get relegated, they are going to be facing into a very long period without a competitive match to keep them focussed.
A win next Sunday would ease a lot of potential problems for all concerned.
I wasn't at the game against Donegal but going by what I've heard and by James Horan's comments afterwards, there are serious limitations to be attended to.
Going by James, Mayo scored only four points from play, converted 8 out of 16 frees and gave away 35 turnovers during the course of the game. Not championship-winning stuff by any means but at least he's pragmatic enough to acknowledge that he has problems to attend to.
WE just don't seem to have anyone with the confidence and cojones top rally the troops when the going gets tough. I expect great things from Cilliian OP'Connor this year and I feel Aidan O'Shea willl also make his presence felt but, those apart, Mayo are still very much dependent on lads who were around in 2004, never mind 2006.
Having said all that, I think Sunday's game is eminently winnable and a good performance here will make each of the ones yet to come less daunting prospects.
But who is going to take the game by the proverbial scruff of the neck??
Mayo team:
1) David Clarke
18)Colm O'Boyle
3) Ger Cafferkey
4)Keith Higgins
5)Lee Kegan
6)Donal Vaughan
7)Shane McHale
8 ) Seamus O'Shea
9)Barry Moran
10)Kevin McLoughlin
11)Cillian O'Connor
12)Alan Dillon
13)Alan Freeman
14)Andy Moran
15)Michael Conroy
16)Robert Hennelly
17)Eoghan O'Reilly
2)Kevin Keane
19)Peadar Gardiner
20)Danny Geraghty
21)Jason Gibbons
22)Pat Heate
23)Jason Doherty
24)Aidan Campbell
25)Conor Mortimer
26)Enda Varley
27)Evan Regan
6 changes to the team that beat Cork last summer.
4 changes to the team that lost to Donegal last weekend.
The two Feeneys are suspended from the panel and apparently James Nallen has walked. Anyone know whats going on with the Mayo management and players?
Feeneys are a huge loss especially Richie as he has been one of our best players so far this year.
Also if Nallen has left he will be a big loss as he has done a lot of work with our backs.
2012 is not looking so bright after all.
Quote from: Sam2011 on March 24, 2012, 02:17:27 PM
The two Feeneys are suspended from the panel and apparently James Nallen has walked. Anyone know whats going on with the Mayo management and players?
Feeneys are a huge loss especially Richie as he has been one of our best players so far this year.
Also if Nallen has left he will be a big loss as he has done a lot of work with our backs.
2012 is not looking so bright after all.
WTF? Where did you hear that? Any links?
Quote from: muppet on March 24, 2012, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: Sam2011 on March 24, 2012, 02:17:27 PM
The two Feeneys are suspended from the panel and apparently James Nallen has walked. Anyone know whats going on with the Mayo management and players?
Feeneys are a huge loss especially Richie as he has been one of our best players so far this year.
Also if Nallen has left he will be a big loss as he has done a lot of work with our backs.
2012 is not looking so bright after all.
WTF? Where did you hear that? Any links?
I seen it on Willie Joe's Mayo GAA Blog that it was because of disciplinary issues.
Has it been confirmed that Nllen has left the setup?? Things getting a bit worrying
After tonight's results in Division 1, I am seriously worried about the Mayo team. I know people will harp on about that it's only the league and if we go down it's not the end of the world. I hope the management switch Shane McHale and Colm Boyle early on or else it could be a difficult NFL debut for McHale. (Or a disastrous one)
If this is true about Nallen walking away, (the two Feeneys is confirmed apparently) then things are truely fucked up worse than we all imagine and last weekend's disastrous showing may not be a once off after all. I wonder what disciplinary issues are the Feeneys suspended for anyway? It's not as if we're riding high at the moment. We need all hands to the wheel.
I don't know anymore about the Feeney's or Nallen than what I seen on Willie Joe's blog.
Also heard during the week that the Mayo team were drinking the night before the Donegal game but I don't buy into that rumor I think or hope anyway they have more pride for their county than that.
Worrying times indeed for Mayo GAA ahead but hopefully this time tomorrow it will be a bit brighter.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 24, 2012, 09:20:42 PM
After tonight's results in Division 1, I am seriously worried about the Mayo team. I know people will harp on about that it's only the league and if we go down it's not the end of the world. I hope the management switch Shane McHale and Colm Boyle early on or else it could be a difficult NFL debut for McHale. (Or a disastrous one)
If this is true about Nallen walking away, (the two Feeneys is confirmed apparently) then things are truely fucked up worse than we all imagine and last weekend's disastrous showing may not be a once off after all. I wonder what disciplinary issues are the Feeneys suspended for anyway? It's not as if we're riding high at the moment. We need all hands to the wheel.
There is no way that the backs can play in the positions selected. Boyle is a 5 at county level and McHale a 3 or possibly a 2/4 if he s marking a big player. For the life of me I can t understand why McHale wasn t brought in against Donegal to see could he cope any better v Murphy.
As regards Ballyshannon being a once off. It can only be a once off if that team is never selected again first of all. That team would collapse every day out. Even with many personnel changes before championship somebody has to set up the team. Whoever decided on last weeks selection and tactics/non tactics needs to have a long hard look at the tape of the game.
The other Feeney and Nallen stuff is not good to be hearing about. The drinking shite story in Sligo is unbelievable. For decades I ve listened to Mayo failings being blamed on beer. It s time to start looking for our problems on the field. Not in imaginary drinking sessions. Besides they probably would have played better if they had been drinking! There is no way there was drinking involved. I could confirm it or otherwise in a quick call but I wouldn t want to do that.
Going off the point a bit. I remember a football legend pulling a door off its hinges in a Ballina hotel bar when his management tried to get him to go to bed the Saturday night before a league match. Their county board gladly payed the damages. He gave an exhibition the following day back in the Stephenites. He was not a Mayo player. He was one of the best players I ever saw play. Top 1 -5 anyway. Maybe it s not too for off the mark.
Drinking has nothing to do with it. Worse still it as an example of an anonymous texter having his/her bogus or real being read out on local radio - Galwaybay fm in this case I believe. I m sure we have a lawyer. We have a licenced radio and a mobile number as well. I assume. Galwabay hardly read out a text from a hidden number? Or did they? If they did they should be shut down for being assholes.
I think todays match is at 2 not 2:30. Am I right?
Quote from: moysider on March 24, 2012, 10:45:24 PM
Going off the point a bit. I remember a football legend pulling a door off its hinges in a Ballina hotel bar when his management tried to get him to go to bed the Saturday night before a league match. Their county board gladly payed the damages. He gave an exhibition the following day back in the Stephenites. He was not a Mayo player. He was one of the best players I ever saw play. Top 1 -5 anyway. Maybe it s not too for off the mark.
When was this? I'd imagine it wasn't in the last 10 years?
Players with natural talent used to flourish because of the dross they were up against, doesn't work
Iike that anymore surely?
Jimmy Nallen is on the sideline according to Club Mayo
Mort on, oconnor off. Mayo sound like they are back at the races.
Disaster for mayo.Cork down to 14,Mark collins sent off.
Mayo 0.07 cork 0.03 half time
Is Barry Moran playing? His opponent O'Conner certainly is!
Moran is playing.Mayo 0.09 cork0.05 5 min into 2ind half. S oshea gone off-hamstring.Danny Geraghty on
cork ahead by 1 point. time almost up
Strong finish by Cork FT 14-13
Sickener . but much better mayo performance
Smash and Grab, Mayo out on their legs!
Bummer about the result. The performance was the big thing for me today, losing the game in that fashion is bad but at least they played well against one of the best teams. Relegation?
Today was our chance to get the last need win from our final three games to avoid relegation, Can't see Dublin or Kerry being beaten, especially Kerry at home, weather they are qualified or not.
Beter mayo performane but Cork like donegal hand passed the lenght of the pitch with out anyone laying a had on them over and over again. corks scoring was superb in the second half but t they were dire in the first.
I think they could be as fustrating a team to support as mayo....(even if they do win the odd all-ireland)