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Title: Leinster club final
Post by: Jinxy on December 18, 2011, 02:34:31 PM
Brigids are absolutely woeful.
Still only 4 points in it though.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 18, 2011, 02:37:30 PM
Terrible, If Garrycastle can maintain that level of intensity then they should win out. Brigids though have came from behind in most of their games recently so ya never know
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on December 18, 2011, 02:39:52 PM
1 pointed free in a half of football is very poor. No invention at all. Garrycastle can win this if they stay composed and start the 2nd half well.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: ross4life on December 18, 2011, 02:44:45 PM
Poor game hopefully it's a better game in the 2nd half. At the moment it's looking like a family reunion for the All Ireland semi final.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Christmas Lights on December 18, 2011, 02:52:04 PM
Who is the number 14 for St bridgets??  Missed a 13 meter free at the end of the first half.

Simply terrible Bill.

Dessie Dolan though (http://wineberserkers.com/forum/images/smilies/worship.gif)
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Jinxy on December 18, 2011, 02:53:31 PM
Just let it in to Dessie and its goodnight Vienna.
Some very nice passing by Garrycastle.
They look much quicker over the ground too.
Brigids are very laboured.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on December 18, 2011, 02:54:53 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on December 18, 2011, 02:52:04 PM
Who is the number 14 for St bridgets??  Missed a 13 meter free at the end of the first half.

Simply terrible Bill.

Dessie Dolan though (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/xmas/santaadore.gif) (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/xmas/santaadore.gif)

Ken Darcy. goal now for Garrycastle, game over.  Dolan is a class act.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: maigheo on December 18, 2011, 02:55:29 PM
goal for garrycastle  1.07 to 0.02.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 18, 2011, 02:57:02 PM
Very poor show from the Dubs, big favourites before the game started.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: maigheo on December 18, 2011, 03:04:10 PM
garrycastle 1.07 st brigids 0.06. Brigids back in the game
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on December 18, 2011, 03:05:05 PM
Andrews making a contest of it.  Garrucastle need to slow the pace of the game down.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Christmas Lights on December 18, 2011, 03:07:09 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 18, 2011, 03:05:05 PM
Andrews making a contest of it.  Garrucastle need to slow the pace of the game down.

Bridgets really have rallied, 2 point ball game, they are well in this now.  Andrews been immense this last 10 minutes, 3 scores from him on the bounce

Edit - one point ball game.

Only looks like one winner at the minute
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Christmas Lights on December 18, 2011, 03:16:39 PM
All level in injury time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

great comeback
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: imtommygunn on December 18, 2011, 03:18:50 PM
awful discipline to concede that free at that stage of the game
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Jinxy on December 18, 2011, 03:19:38 PM
Brigids lose by 1.
The game was there for them in the last 10 minutes but they did some incredibly silly things.
Andrews dragged them back into the game but Barry Cahill was poor.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Christmas Lights on December 18, 2011, 03:19:45 PM
A HERO IS BORN

GARRYCASTLE A BARNSTORMER IN THE END

LAST MINUTE FREE, I THINK THE REF GOT IT RIGHT, STUPID STUPID FOUL AND ITS FROM WHERE THE BALL LANDS
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 18, 2011, 03:21:57 PM
I'd say they will struggle from this point, Great for them to win it, just don't see them putting up to the other st Brigids.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Canalman on December 18, 2011, 03:26:41 PM
Didn't see game. Heartiest congrats to Garrycastle.

Disappointed for St Brigids................ always have had a soft spot for them. Played them many a time and imo they as a club always conducted themselves well.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: shark on December 18, 2011, 03:32:05 PM
Well done to Garrycastle. 6th Leinster campaign so they deserve it at this stage. Big day for Westmeath football too.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Syferus on December 18, 2011, 03:32:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 18, 2011, 03:21:57 PM
I'd say they will struggle from this point, Great for them to win it, just don't see them putting up to the other st Brigids.

All form will be out the window in as huge a local derby as the semi-final, but Brigid's have the experience at this level to be able to eek out a place in the final.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: shark on December 18, 2011, 03:34:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 18, 2011, 03:21:57 PM
I'd say they will struggle from this point, Great for them to win it, just don't see them putting up to the other st Brigids.

Have to disagree and I don't think Brigids would think that. It's a week to Christmas, don't judge Garrycastle on today. A seasoned team who know how to win.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: blast05 on December 18, 2011, 03:35:23 PM
Unless you live in Athlone you don't know what Bridgids v Garrycastle means. Cousins on opposite sides, same secondary schools, a manager that has managed both, even the G'castle sponsors business is in the Bridgids catchment area. It'll be a 50:50 game.
As a Mayo man, I thought I was watching a repeat of the 1996 drawn All-Ireland final - thankfully this one had a happy finish !
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Jinxy on December 18, 2011, 03:36:47 PM
Where will the semi-final be played, Portlaoise?
I'd imagine it'll draw a big crowd.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Syferus on December 18, 2011, 03:48:10 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 18, 2011, 03:36:47 PM
Where will the semi-final be played, Portlaoise?
I'd imagine it'll draw a big crowd.

A game between two Athlone teams in Portlaoise? Tullamore and Longford are the obvious neutral grounds.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Jinxy on December 18, 2011, 03:51:22 PM
So Brigids are from Athlone as well.
Is Roscommon some sort of gaelic football twilight zone?
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: blast05 on December 18, 2011, 04:05:12 PM
Jinxy, Athlone town council area covers part of catchment area of Clann na Gael and I think a very small part of St Bridgids

Correction, Bridgids not part of town council catchment area now that I think more about it .... a few hundred metres shy of it
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: ross4life on December 18, 2011, 05:32:30 PM
Strange game today looked like Garrycastle were going to walk it only for the Dubs to finally wake up that missed free right on HT came back to haunt. Semi final is a real tough one to call, hopefully the experience Brigid's have will be enough for another All Ireland final appearance.

The semi final should be played in today's venue.

Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Jinxy on December 18, 2011, 05:48:47 PM
I'm still baffled as to how Plunketts can't seem to win that Dublin championship.
On paper they would seem to have a lot more class than Brigids.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: INDIANA on December 18, 2011, 06:07:11 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 18, 2011, 05:48:47 PM
I'm still baffled as to how Plunketts can't seem to win that Dublin championship.
On paper they would seem to have a lot more class than Brigids.

Because they bottle it every year.

Brigids didnt turn up in the first half.  Can never understand these days why teams cant just win a game and celebrate on their own without players rubbing the others noses in it. Cant say I'll be hoping Garrycastle progress any further.

Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on December 18, 2011, 06:27:05 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 18, 2011, 06:07:11 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 18, 2011, 05:48:47 PM
I'm still baffled as to how Plunketts can't seem to win that Dublin championship.
On paper they would seem to have a lot more class than Brigids.

Because they bottle it every year.

Brigids didnt turn up in the first half.  Can never understand these days why teams cant just win a game and celebrate on their own without players rubbing the others noses in it. Cant say I'll be hoping Garrycastle progress any further.

I was only half watching it, was there some afters at the end?
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Give and Go on December 18, 2011, 08:03:09 PM
The Goal looked a clear square ball to me; given he had blown an earlier square ball which was less obvious I think the ref had a poor game. Add to that the ridiculous yellow cards he dished out (as usual) and the missing of the the third man in at the melee.....the free at the end was prob correct but marginal and dont think it should have been given. Inconsistency is the bane of football; he blew one handpass today which was no different than 90% of the others... why?
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: yellowcard on December 18, 2011, 10:16:33 PM
Garrycastle have earned this Leinster title after knocking on the door for a while. CCan anyone clarify the rule 'free from where the ball lands?' Is this from where it first bounces or where it actally stops. And what if someone kicks it back in the opposite direction? Is the free then taken from where that player kicked the ball.

The last free kick that Garrycastle got to win the game seemed to have been awarded from where the ball stopped if memory serves me right...
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: INDIANA on December 18, 2011, 10:51:18 PM
I dont think there was an issue with the free at the end -it looked a free to me and its where the ball first bounces.

rather the antics of some of their players at the end left a lot to be desired IMO. 
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: blast05 on December 19, 2011, 12:32:36 AM
Indiana, I thought it was only 1 player involved at end from Gcastle ... and do you know what was said and who started it or are you just speculating?
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: coosanglen on December 19, 2011, 11:01:57 AM
''the free at the end was prob correct but marginal and dont think it should have been given'', if you thought the free was correct, why do you think it shouldnt have been given?
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: nrico2006 on December 19, 2011, 11:29:11 AM
Whats the craic with Garrycastle Number 14's hair?
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: skeog on December 19, 2011, 12:56:49 PM
its a medical condition dumwit
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on December 19, 2011, 04:53:41 PM
Very enjoyable day in O'Connor Park yesterday, delighted to see Garrycastle fall over the line in the end. A lot of talk about Brigids not showing up but Garrycastle simply tore into them. They were out on their feet with 5 mins left in the 1st half such was the effort they put in. Brigids were very slow to make changes on Dessie, he must have had four before his marker was moved and not a sign of a sweeper. If Paddy Mulvillle was on form the game would have been over at ht. Winning of the game was in midfield though I thought, Shaugho and Seanie O'Donoghue won it hands down, Seanie was my motm, great hands, great in possession and some fantastic kick passes. Gary Dolan for a man who is only back after an operation, was everywhere, don't think I've ever seen him look so fit, another goal when it counted.

Looked very shaky at the back in the 2nd half, the harsh early card for Henson didn't help him and Paddy Andrews led Gaffey a merry dance in the last 15 mins. At a loss as to what he has to do to get a run out with the Dubs. Referee was overly fussy at the start I thought but eventually let it flow. Have yet to watch it back and didn't see what the final free was given for but good to hear it wasn't controversial. There'll be good banter in Athlone now over the Christmas, who'll get to wear the green and red? Brigids will be favourites but not by much in my book, would be some craic if they put it in Pairc Ciarán.

All in all it was a great day for Garrycastle and another first for Westmeath football. Well done lads.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: INDIANA on December 19, 2011, 07:31:54 PM
Quote from: blast05 on December 19, 2011, 12:32:36 AM
Indiana, I thought it was only 1 player involved at end from Gcastle ... and do you know what was said and who started it or are you just speculating?

I'm just asking the question why players when they win a trophy start rows with the opposition at the end. And there was more then one. Scandalous behaviour in my opinion and one reason why I wont be shouting for them against Roscommon.

Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: imtommygunn on December 19, 2011, 07:44:41 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 19, 2011, 07:31:54 PM
Quote from: blast05 on December 19, 2011, 12:32:36 AM
Indiana, I thought it was only 1 player involved at end from Gcastle ... and do you know what was said and who started it or are you just speculating?

I'm just asking the question why players when they win a trophy start rows with the opposition at the end. And there was more then one. Scandalous behaviour in my opinion and one reason why I wont be shouting for them against Roscommon.
How do you know he started it?

From what I could see the brigids fella wouldn't shake hands with him and the guy kicked off. Plenty would.

Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: muppet on December 19, 2011, 08:01:06 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 19, 2011, 07:44:41 PM
From what I could see the brigids fella wouldn't shake hands with him and the guy kicked off. Plenty would.

Very, very few would. Most of us have known far more disappointment than glory and we know if we are lucky enough to win you always have some respect for the other fella.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: INDIANA on December 19, 2011, 08:11:00 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 19, 2011, 07:44:41 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 19, 2011, 07:31:54 PM
Quote from: blast05 on December 19, 2011, 12:32:36 AM
Indiana, I thought it was only 1 player involved at end from Gcastle ... and do you know what was said and who started it or are you just speculating?

I'm just asking the question why players when they win a trophy start rows with the opposition at the end. And there was more then one. Scandalous behaviour in my opinion and one reason why I wont be shouting for them against Roscommon.
How do you know he started it?

From what I could see the brigids fella wouldn't shake hands with him and the guy kicked off. Plenty would.

Have to say from my angle which was probably closer then yours unless you were at the game as well- things looked remarkably different.
But i'm not going to labour the point- only that I wont be shouting for Garrycastle in the semi. Either way the winners of the all-ireland club title is coming out of the other side of the draw in my view
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: ross4life on December 19, 2011, 09:07:38 PM
Bookies reckon it will be repeat of this years final But then again they thought it was going to be Kilmacud v Nemo final last Feb.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Lone Shark on December 19, 2011, 11:15:03 PM
Quote from: ross4life on December 19, 2011, 09:07:38 PM
Bookies reckon it will be repeat of this years final But then again they thought it was going to be Kilmacud v Nemo final last Feb.

I never like this combination of words, particularly as it gets widely abused in this country. Bookies, proper ones anyway, rarely "reckon" that anything will or won't happen. They merely assign a probability to something and price it up accordingly. The current odds from Powers suggest a 61% chance of Brigids making the final and 39% Garrycastle. I'd be a bit closer to 65/35 myself, but there's no such thing as suggesting one side will or won't.

Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: emmetryan on December 19, 2011, 11:17:29 PM
The two semi-final pairings look particularly close. The derby game should be really close. I was at both provincial finals, plenty to like about both teams but also lots for each to exploit.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: ross4life on December 19, 2011, 11:41:17 PM
Quote from: Lone Shark on December 19, 2011, 11:15:03 PM
Quote from: ross4life on December 19, 2011, 09:07:38 PM
Bookies reckon it will be repeat of this years final But then again they thought it was going to be Kilmacud v Nemo final last Feb.

I never like this combination of words, particularly as it gets widely abused in this country. Bookies, proper ones anyway, rarely "reckon" that anything will or won't happen. They merely assign a probability to something and price it up accordingly. The current odds from Powers suggest a 61% chance of Brigids making the final and 39% Garrycastle. I'd be a bit closer to 65/35 myself, but there's no such thing as suggesting one side will or won't.

With a reply like that your sure to make a fine bookmaking career  ;)
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Captain Obvious on December 20, 2011, 05:16:29 PM
Semi finals dates,venues set. http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2011/1220/club.html
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on December 21, 2011, 03:01:46 PM
Some year for Anthony Cunnningham.

U-21 AI hurling with Galway
Westmeath and Leinster titles with Garrycastle

Hopefully he saves a bit for 2012.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2011, 03:20:44 PM
Noticed Cross are 4/7 to beat Crokes. Thats a fair price and evens minus one

Would have went to the game but it's in Portlaois and bound to be on tv. Seen Crokes 3 times on tv this year and they only caught fire last day out (final) Cross have been consistant all year.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Captain Obvious on December 21, 2011, 03:55:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2011, 03:20:44 PM
Noticed Cross are 4/7 to beat Crokes. Thats a fair price and evens minus one

Would have went to the game but it's in Portlaois and bound to be on tv. Seen Crokes 3 times on tv this year and they only caught fire last day out (final) Cross have been consistant all year.

Not so sure, both semi finals are on the same day with the same throw in time & the other semi final seems to capturing the media imagination more.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on December 21, 2011, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 21, 2011, 03:55:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2011, 03:20:44 PM
Noticed Cross are 4/7 to beat Crokes. Thats a fair price and evens minus one

Would have went to the game but it's in Portlaois and bound to be on tv. Seen Crokes 3 times on tv this year and they only caught fire last day out (final) Cross have been consistant all year.

Not so sure, both semi finals are on the same day with the same throw in time & the other semi final seems to capturing the media imagination more.
I'd imagine one of the semi finals will be live and the other one deferred on TG4. I'd say both semi finals will get the same coverage, both attractive in their own right, Crokes and Cross will be seen as the real final and then the strong local interest in the other one. There'll be some traffic heading to Longford from Athlone anyway on the 18th.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Syferus on December 21, 2011, 07:14:57 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on December 21, 2011, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 21, 2011, 03:55:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2011, 03:20:44 PM
Noticed Cross are 4/7 to beat Crokes. Thats a fair price and evens minus one

Would have went to the game but it's in Portlaois and bound to be on tv. Seen Crokes 3 times on tv this year and they only caught fire last day out (final) Cross have been consistant all year.

Not so sure, both semi finals are on the same day with the same throw in time & the other semi final seems to capturing the media imagination more.
I'd imagine one of the semi finals will be live and the other one deferred on TG4. I'd say both semi finals will get the same coverage, both attractive in their own right, Crokes and Cross will be seen as the real final and then the strong local interest in the other one. There'll be some traffic heading to Longford from Athlone anyway on the 18th.

Can't see anyone is writing off Brigid's this year, particularly after the nightmare Senan Kilbride gave to Cross in this year's final. All Brigid's needed to do was stop hauling him out to take drop in frees and used him more directly as a target man and they would have likely won the final; they're a better team this year for that experience and I can imagine that only ignorance would lead anyone in the country to think that either semi-final is "the real final".
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2011, 09:50:57 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 21, 2011, 07:14:57 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on December 21, 2011, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 21, 2011, 03:55:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2011, 03:20:44 PM
Noticed Cross are 4/7 to beat Crokes. Thats a fair price and evens minus one

Would have went to the game but it's in Portlaois and bound to be on tv. Seen Crokes 3 times on tv this year and they only caught fire last day out (final) Cross have been consistant all year.

Not so sure, both semi finals are on the same day with the same throw in time & the other semi final seems to capturing the media imagination more.
I'd imagine one of the semi finals will be live and the other one deferred on TG4. I'd say both semi finals will get the same coverage, both attractive in their own right, Crokes and Cross will be seen as the real final and then the strong local interest in the other one. There'll be some traffic heading to Longford from Athlone anyway on the 18th.

Can't see anyone is writing off Brigid's this year, particularly after the nightmare Senan Kilbride gave to Cross in this year's final. All Brigid's needed to do was stop hauling him out to take drop in frees and used him more directly as a target man and they would have likely won the final; they're a better team this year for that experience and I can imagine that only ignorance would lead anyone in the country to think that either semi-final is "the real final".

The bookies don't seem to think so, their knowledge is what makes them rich ;) 

As you said Brigids will be a better team for the experience but so will Cross and Crokes who have also played at Croke Park, and eventually lost to Cross.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Syferus on December 21, 2011, 10:32:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2011, 09:50:57 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 21, 2011, 07:14:57 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on December 21, 2011, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 21, 2011, 03:55:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2011, 03:20:44 PM
Noticed Cross are 4/7 to beat Crokes. Thats a fair price and evens minus one

Would have went to the game but it's in Portlaois and bound to be on tv. Seen Crokes 3 times on tv this year and they only caught fire last day out (final) Cross have been consistant all year.

Not so sure, both semi finals are on the same day with the same throw in time & the other semi final seems to capturing the media imagination more.
I'd imagine one of the semi finals will be live and the other one deferred on TG4. I'd say both semi finals will get the same coverage, both attractive in their own right, Crokes and Cross will be seen as the real final and then the strong local interest in the other one. There'll be some traffic heading to Longford from Athlone anyway on the 18th.

Can't see anyone is writing off Brigid's this year, particularly after the nightmare Senan Kilbride gave to Cross in this year's final. All Brigid's needed to do was stop hauling him out to take drop in frees and used him more directly as a target man and they would have likely won the final; they're a better team this year for that experience and I can imagine that only ignorance would lead anyone in the country to think that either semi-final is "the real final".

The bookies don't seem to think so, their knowledge is what makes them rich ;) 

As you said Brigids will be a better team for the experience but so will Cross and Crokes who have also played at Croke Park, and eventually lost to Cross.

Betting odds, especially in a (relatively speaking) niche knowledge area like club football, are alot closer to X-Factor style popularity votes than the betters and bookies would have you believe. Let's look at the Paddy Power odds:

Crossmaglen 10/11
Dr Crokes 5/2
St Brigids 7/2
Garrycastle 7/1

Despite Dr. Crokes having a recent record in the competition that is inferior to St. Brigids, as well as playing the odds-on favorite in the semi-final, they've shorter odds than the Connacht champions. Who plays for Dr. Crokes? Only the most adored player (and rightly in my opinion) of his generation, Colm Cooper.

For me, even removing myself as much as I can from my bias, it's a toss up between Cross, Brigid's and Crokes (and in that order if I'm forced) for the All-Ireland with Garrycastle having the most to prove to be considered serious contenders.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2011, 10:51:48 PM
Bronson also plays, they between them have 12 or so All Ireland medals. Not bad.

But dare to dream and you'll get good odds and you could win big money :D

You think "Paddy" Power don't have a niche knowledge of local football?
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Syferus on December 21, 2011, 11:13:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2011, 10:51:48 PM
Bronson also plays, they between them have 12 or so All Ireland medals. Not bad.

But dare to dream and you'll get good odds and you could win big money :D

You think "Paddy" Power don't have a niche knowledge of local football?

I don't think you read what I said correctly!

They're a Kerry senior club, hence the number of medals, but a raft All-Ireland medals don't count for very much at this level. Clubs from counties that are regard as lesser lights have ever abilitiy of being able to beat the Krry champions, the Cork champions or, as we saw last weekend, the Dublin champions. St. Gall's winning it, Galway clubs like Corofin reaching the final back-to-back while the inter-county team is in the doldrums, it's a different landscape and one where a sprinkling of inter-county stars is rarely, if ever, enough to elevate any team beyond reach.

Dr. Crokes are a fine team that's fully capable of wining the All-Ireland, but it's a fallacy to think that Brigids aren't every bit as good as Crokes, and indeed on recent form, perhaps a little better.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: armaghniac on December 22, 2011, 12:50:44 AM
QuoteCan't see anyone is writing off Brigid's this year, particularly after the nightmare Senan Kilbride gave to Cross in this year's final.

Kilbride was indeed the best man on the pitch that day. However, if Brigid's come up against Cross' again then Cross will also have experience of dealing with him too.

QuoteWho plays for Dr. Crokes? Only the most adored player (and rightly in my opinion) of his generation, Colm Cooper.

Was there some talk of Cooper having an operation? Is this going to happen after Crokes are eliminated or is he using the Christmas period?

Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Syferus on December 22, 2011, 03:01:23 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 22, 2011, 12:50:44 AM
QuoteCan't see anyone is writing off Brigid's this year, particularly after the nightmare Senan Kilbride gave to Cross in this year's final.

Kilbride was indeed the best man on the pitch that day. However, if Brigid's come up against Cross' again then Cross will also have experience of dealing with him too.

QuoteWho plays for Dr. Crokes? Only the most adored player (and rightly in my opinion) of his generation, Colm Cooper.

Was there some talk of Cooper having an operation? Is this going to happen after Crokes are eliminated or is he using the Christmas period?

Now you mention it I remember the talk of that operation too. He said he'd hold off on doing it until Crokes were out of the club championship, which does put him in a bind now as if he waits until February (or at 'worst' mid-March), he'll be laid up for at least the entire NFL and the first month of the championship as recovery is about three months, something that would put paid to trying to get it done before Christmas and being ready for Feb. 18th.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on December 22, 2011, 10:10:24 AM
All this talk about the Cross/Crokes game being the real final is some craic altogether. It is a toss up Syferus alright but it is a 4 sided coin that needs tossing. Crokes have a real point to prove against us so they have something to work on, Brigids were probably the best team in the country last year but lost the final on the line, Garrycastle are a very strong hard working side and in Dolan have the best forward bar Gooch left in the competition. They beat the Dublin champions through an effective game plan and an unreal capacity to work. To put it in perspective that Brigids team beat us a short while back. I for one see no weak teams left, each one with something worth playing for. 
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Captain Obvious on December 22, 2011, 02:51:43 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 22, 2011, 10:10:24 AM
All this talk about the Cross/Crokes game being the real final is some craic altogether. It is a toss up Syferus alright but it is a 4 sided coin that needs tossing. Crokes have a real point to prove against us so they have something to work on, Brigids were probably the best team in the country last year but lost the final on the line, Garrycastle are a very strong hard working side and in Dolan have the best forward bar Gooch left in the competition. They beat the Dublin champions through an effective game plan and an unreal capacity to work. To put it in perspective that Brigids team beat us a short while back. I for one see no weak teams left, each one with something worth playing for.

The break has come at a bad time for Cross on the form of the last few months they wouldn't be stopped in the quest for another All Ireland but now some of that momentum will be lost.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Lone Shark on December 22, 2011, 09:05:25 PM
I feel like I'm back in Cam with herself's family. All around me people are saying that Brigids came oh-so-close to beating Cross last year, and that if only they had played more long ball in on top of Kilbride they'd have won. I have to stay quiet so as not to cause a row when with the in-laws, but I was at the game and I didn't see that at all. I wanted Brigids to win for the sake of all the people I now know in the club, but I though Cross always had that match under control and the reason Senan didn't get much ball was because Frankie wasted a mountain of it. If Brigids got a few more scores, I think Cross would too.

From what I've seen of Brigids so far this year, which is only three games I'll grant you, they don't seem to be any better than they were last season and as was mentioned, Cross will be ready for Kilbride this time around. I think they'll beat Garrycastle but the outright price doesn't look wrong to me since they will be 2/1 in the final against either Crokes/Cross, and rightly so.

Also, in terms of people thinking Crokes are over-rated, bear in mind that in the last fifty years, club sides have only won the Kerry championship nineteen times. What that means is that the Kerry team that represents the county in the club championship is often not the best team in Kerry, and sometimes has to play club championship football having been out of training for ages. When you get a club team that is good enough to win the Kerry County Championship instead of just the Kerry Club championship, they are usually very strong.

I do think 5/2 is too short but anyone who thinks that Brigids would or should be favourites against Crokes in a one off game is way off the mark. In fact I'll have an even money bet with anyone here, any stakes you like, that if Brigids get to the final and Crokes are waiting for them, they will be at least 6/4 with all the main bookmakers.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Captain Obvious on December 22, 2011, 09:26:49 PM
It's obvious if Croke's beat Cross they will be odds on in the final as result little pressure on the other two sides.
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: LeoMc on December 22, 2011, 09:39:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2011, 10:51:48 PM
Bronson also plays, they between them have 12 or so All Ireland medals. Not bad.

But dare to dream and you'll get good odds and you could win big money :D

You think "Paddy" Power don't have a niche knowledge of local football?

Charles?
Title: Re: Leinster club final
Post by: Syferus on December 22, 2011, 09:50:43 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 22, 2011, 09:26:49 PM
It's obvious if Croke's beat Cross they will be odds on in the final as result little pressure on the other two sides.

;D

Quote from: Lone Shark on December 22, 2011, 09:05:25 PM
I feel like I'm back in Cam with herself's family. All around me people are saying that Brigids came oh-so-close to beating Cross last year, and that if only they had played more long ball in on top of Kilbride they'd have won. I have to stay quiet so as not to cause a row when with the in-laws, but I was at the game and I didn't see that at all. I wanted Brigids to win for the sake of all the people I now know in the club, but I though Cross always had that match under control and the reason Senan didn't get much ball was because Frankie wasted a mountain of it. If Brigids got a few more scores, I think Cross would too.

It has to be made clear that Brigids, even this season, refuse to use Kilbride correctly - he was dragged out for frees that Frankie would be fully capable of taking and not removing one of the best big men in the country from the fray. The most bizarre sight of the entire year for me me was when Brigids got a last gasp free in the game against Cross - needing a goal - and for a reason only known to God and Noel O'Brien Kilbride marches out to take a drop in. Yeah. Not so much.

Brigids genuinely do not play enough direct football through their inter-county-level spine of Dominican, Mannion, Frankie and Kilbride. Frankie is obviously a great passer but half the time when he gets the ball in the half forward line his best weapon, Kilbride, is pretty much parallel to him, and that's obviously tactics. Playing Kilbride a little deeper and more directly would benefit McHugh too, who is hardly a small man himself.

Cross had more guile and cuteness when it came down to it, but any of the Cross supporters and they'll willingly tell you Kilbride could have caused alot more damage in that final. It was a final where it was never not in the mix, nevermind one where Cross where able to have something in reserve.