I know for alot of people its 'The six counties', 'The North' etc etc, but I've often wondered why the official name 'Northern Ireland' has 'Northern' in it's name rather than North. Other countries that were divided had North as opposed to Northern (Vietnam, Korea etc). I had thought maybe there was some sinister or legal reason as to why it was Northern. Anyone know the reason for this?
Presumably because the Country wasn't being divided across the middle?
Anyway it should be " Northeastern Ireland "
if it was North Ireland it would include donegal also?
Quote from: The Worker on November 13, 2011, 05:55:23 PM
if it was North Ireland it would include donegal also?
Jim McGuinness told them not to cross the line.
This seems like an interesting thread.
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Aye so many wrongs out there, South Shields but no North Shields !!
There IS a North Shields
They should have called it Ulst, which is two thirds of Ulster.
Quote from: Orior on November 13, 2011, 09:18:18 PM
They should have called it Ulst, which is two thirds of Ulster.
I like it. The two countries could be Ulst and Irela.
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 13, 2011, 09:27:03 PM
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There ya go
I prefer FATDAD.
Being in the northern hemisphere pisses me off too. Says who?
Quote from: muppet on November 13, 2011, 10:06:09 PM
I prefer FATDAD.
You've got Down in there twice, it's FATLAD ;)
Quote from: muppet on November 13, 2011, 10:32:51 PM
Quote from: Tonto on November 13, 2011, 10:29:49 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 13, 2011, 10:27:26 PM
Quote from: Tonto on November 13, 2011, 10:18:45 PM
it's FATLAD ;)
Enough about you, back to thread.
Touche!! :)
Don't worry about it, I'm probably half your height and twice your girth.
Less of that chat about my girth... that's between me and 'er! ;D
North Ireland and South Ireland would imply two distinct countries both called Ireland. "Northern Ireland" and the "Irish Free State" acknowledges that the whole island is called Ireland and is a single country that just happens to have an international boundary temporarily running through it. Partition was never meant to be a permanent measure.
Incidentally, I think that people who go out of their way to say "six counties" and "north of Ireland" are no different from the people who go out of their way to say "Londonderry." Most people prefer to shorten words, not make them longer. Anyone making them longer is being tedious. The Good Friday Agreement recognizes the existence of the northern state and the people voted for it. It should be possible for a nationalist to say "Northern Ireland" without being called a traitor in this day and age.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2011, 08:48:29 PM
Aye so many wrongs out there, South Shields but no North Shields !!
:D
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 14, 2011, 01:46:14 AM
North Ireland and South Ireland would imply two distinct countries both called Ireland. "Northern Ireland" and the "Irish Free State" acknowledges that the whole island is called Ireland and is a single country that just happens to have an international boundary temporarily running through it. Partition was never meant to be a permanent measure.
Was that the reason it became 'Northern Ireland'? It seems slightly wooly logic to me. Why would 'North Ireland' be wrong?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 14, 2011, 01:46:14 AM
Incidentally, I think that people who go out of their way to say "six counties" and "north of Ireland" are no different from the people who go out of their way to say "Londonderry." Most people prefer to shorten words, not make them longer. Anyone making them longer is being tedious. The Good Friday Agreement recognizes the existence of the northern state and the people voted for it. It should be possible for a nationalist to say "Northern Ireland" without being called a traitor in this day and age.
You're entitled to your opinion, but I've never gone out of my way to call it 'the North of Ireland' or (more commonly) 'the North'. In fact, I generally refer to it as Northern Ireland these days because my wife calls it the North! :D The comparison with Londonderry is false because very few people call it anything other than Derry in private.
Quote from: deiseach on November 14, 2011, 11:09:54 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 14, 2011, 01:46:14 AM
North Ireland and South Ireland would imply two distinct countries both called Ireland. "Northern Ireland" and the "Irish Free State" acknowledges that the whole island is called Ireland and is a single country that just happens to have an international boundary temporarily running through it. Partition was never meant to be a permanent measure.
Was that the reason it became 'Northern Ireland'? It seems slightly wooly logic to me. Why would 'North Ireland' be wrong?
I remember reading somewhere, why it was called Northern Ireland. Must see if I can find it tonight.
A lot of Yanks call it North Ireland
Quote from: maddog on November 14, 2011, 08:53:03 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2011, 08:48:29 PM
Aye so many wrongs out there, South Shields but no North Shields !!
:D
I worked with a lad from South Shields. He said it was just called Shields as I'd asked him at the time. I must use Google before posting !
I say "the north" all the time but only when the context is clear.