Poll
Question:
The Gunpowder Plot, real plot or hoax?
Option 1: Yes it happened.
votes: 9
Option 2: No it was a government/other lie.
votes: 4
Option 3: Don't know.
votes: 2
The Gunpowder Plot, was it a real event or a government/other anti-catholic/anti-Spanish motivated hoax or perhaps a method of fooling James I into not trusting Catholics. It is a certainty that the later Popish Plot was a failed hoax, so how likely is it that the Gunpowder Plot was also a hoax?
Was it plausible to get hold of 36 barrels in James the I military state, which had a monopoly on gunpowder?
How were all these barrels trasported in one of the busiest parts of one of one of the busiest cities in the world (even back then)?
The river was not a transport option, as the gunpowder would have got damp.
How likely is it that Catholics would be allowed to rent property in the English Parliament?
They checked the cellers that day, at that time. This was not a normal practice, what an amazing coincidence!
Ah no, they were definitely planning to blow the place up and the barrels of gunpowder were in place.
Antonia Fraser's account of it is a good read with great detail on the plot and the plotters.
5/11 was an inside job!!! :P
Maybe Nally Stand could let us know the truth about this one!
HET on the case.
Ziggy says there's a 5.2% possibility it was a hoax.
Quote from: ziggysego on November 03, 2011, 02:24:24 PM
Ziggy says there's a 5.2% possibility it was a hoax.
Sams wondering what chance it was a huge politically motivated exageration?
WTF? No mention on Sky News. Saw a helicopter hovering above Newry a while ago but didn't think much of it. When did this happen?
Quote from: Hardy on November 03, 2011, 01:06:57 PM
Ah no, they were definitely planning to blow the place up and the barrels of gunpowder were in place.
Antonia Fraser's account of it is a good read with great detail on the plot and the plotters.
Asking people to inform themselves about a historical event before commenting on it is an outrage. How do you expect them to maintain their prejudices and flights of fancy?
Quote from: deiseach on November 03, 2011, 02:38:36 PM
Quote from: Hardy on November 03, 2011, 01:06:57 PM
Ah no, they were definitely planning to blow the place up and the barrels of gunpowder were in place.
Antonia Fraser's account of it is a good read with great detail on the plot and the plotters.
Asking people to inform themselves about a historical event before commenting on it is an outrage. How do you expect them to maintain their prejudices and flights of fancy?
Who is to say that no one here will have a look at that book. The sectarian nature of Guy Fawkes is not just about if the plot was real or not, but also how the event was used as a tool supress and oppress for a hundred or so years afterwards. In fact the event mostly died out in the enlightenment but the bigoted Victorians brought it back with a vengence.
Ive been invited to a Guy Fawkes party myself on Saturday night - many thousands of miles away from big bad old England.
Should I go, or should I stay in and close the blinds and turn the music up?
Guy Fawkes day is also my birthday - should that influence the decision at all?
Quote from: Puckoon on November 03, 2011, 03:19:46 PM
Ive been invited to a Guy Fawkes party myself on Saturday night - many thousands of miles away from big bad old England.
Should I go, or should I stay in and close the blinds and turn the music up?
Guy Fawkes day is also my birthday - should that influence the decision at all?
Thats your choice Puckoon, I have made mine.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 03, 2011, 03:23:03 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 03, 2011, 03:19:46 PM
Ive been invited to a Guy Fawkes party myself on Saturday night - many thousands of miles away from big bad old England.
Should I go, or should I stay in and close the blinds and turn the music up?
Guy Fawkes day is also my birthday - should that influence the decision at all?
Thats your choice Puckoon, I have made mine.
WTF's going on here? You two invited to same party about something in the current affairs? WTF???
I'm just trying to think of a reason to not go to my friends party, that doesn't sound like I'm a raving lunatic.
Hmmm ... guy party ... I dunno.
Quote from: Puckoon on November 03, 2011, 03:40:13 PM
I'm just trying to think of a reason to not go to my friends party, that doesn't sound like I'm a raving lunatic.
Forgive me for the wikipedia definition - you could tell them to feck off with 5/11 and tell the Halloween is for us more sensible folk.
The Roman Catholic celebration is associated with the doctrine that the souls of the faithful who at death have not been cleansed from the temporal punishment due to venial sins and from attachment to mortal sins cannot immediately attain the beatific vision in heaven, and that they may be helped to do so by prayer and by the sacrifice of the Mass. In other words, when they died, they had not yet attained full sanctification and moral perfection, a requirement for entrance into Heaven. This sanctification is carried out posthumously in Purgatory.
Quote from: Puckoon on November 03, 2011, 03:40:13 PM
I'm just trying to think of a reason to not go to my friends party, that doesn't sound like I'm a raving lunatic.
By coming on here hoping to find reason, you are clearly demonstrating yourself to be a raving lunatic
Thats it - I'm not going. I sent a text with reservations of attendance due to the sectarian nature of Guy Fawkes celebrations and the biggotted nature of the Victorians.
I got one back telling me I'm a silly ****. Outraged I am. I'm just glad no one told me to move on.
ah sure isn't Halloween just a chistian rebranding of Samhain? Are not most things in western european christianity just rebranded pre-christian symbols and festivals?
Was going to head down to Lewes to see the Bonfire night parade. It looks very interesting. Unfortunately herself wants to go have dinner in a friends house.
I don't personally see it as anything threatening or sectarian and see it more as a historical and cultural tradition.
(http://www.susiebrown.co.uk/fire_festivals_images/big/5_Lewes_Bonfire_a.jpg)
(http://images.imagestate.com/Watermark/1256498.jpg)
Quote from: thejuice on November 03, 2011, 05:00:05 PM
ah sure isn't Halloween just a chistian rebranding of Samhain? Are not most things in western european christianity just rebranded pre-christian symbols and festivals?
Was going to head down to Lewes to see the Bonfire night parade. It looks very interesting. Unfortunately herself wants to go have dinner in a friends house.
I don't personally see it as anything threatening or sectarian and see it more as a historical and cultural tradition.
(http://www.susiebrown.co.uk/fire_festivals_images/big/5_Lewes_Bonfire_a.jpg)
(http://images.imagestate.com/Watermark/1256498.jpg)
Good job my ancestors left Lewis then isn't it. They ended up in Ulster, until they had to leave again.
Quote from: Puckoon on November 03, 2011, 03:19:46 PM
Ive been invited to a Guy Fawkes party myself on Saturday night - many thousands of miles away from big bad old England.
Should I go, or should I stay in and close the blinds and turn the music up?
Guy Fawkes day is also my birthday - should that influence the decision at all?
Also my youngest daughters birthday too, FFS was going to cinema and then McDonald's with them and her friends. That's that scrapped ;D ;D
Remember remember the 5Th of November
Go to the party. Celebrate the intention. Same as the Titanic celebration. We don't commemorate the iceberg's ruthlessness.
Quote from: Olly on November 03, 2011, 07:52:46 PM
Go to the party. Celebrate the intention. Same as the Titanic celebration. We don't commemorate the iceberg's ruthlessness.
Mrs d: "You don't celebrate Guy Fawkes Night in Ireland, do you?"
My Cousin: "We would have had he succeeded"