Any thoughts on other county teams that are likely to look at the Donegal model and decide that the defensive game is their best way forward?
I guess you're looking at teams that have two decent forwards and an abundance of hard working and capable players, as well of course as a manager who understands how the system works and is able to convey that message to the players.
Quote from: irunthev on August 30, 2011, 09:13:13 AM
Any thoughts on other county teams that are likely to look at the Donegal model and decide that the defensive game is their best way forward?
I guess you're looking at teams that have two decent forwards and an abundance of hard working and capable players, as well of course as a manager who understands how the system works and is able to convey that message to the players.
Kildare are nearly there so I would expect them to do it.
Not Cavan as we are football purists. And it looks like a lot of work.
Didn't Tyrone and Armagh gain success with similar tactics?
What beat Tyrone this Year was Mickey Harte's Love Affair with the 1998 Minor Team. Most of them really should have retired last Year. I can't see Snout, Gormley, Jordan, etc going for much longer.
Perhaps Dooher can stay as a Coach/Trainer.
Offaly are going to pick 1 goalie, 13 defenders and Niall McNamee. We aim to win every game 1-2 to 0-0. Scorers, Niall McNammee (1-1, 1 pen), Ciaran McManus (0-1, 0-1 from an 80yd free)
QuoteDidn't Tyrone and Armagh gain success with similar tactics?
This is simplistic. Of course winning teams had decent defences, if you concede a bagful it is hard to win an AI. But they also had strategies to attack, people talked about Armagh's diagonal ball while Tyrone were noted for breaking at speed and pushing into attack mode.
If you want a comparison, in 2002 the semi final score was Armagh 1-14 Dublin 1-13 and nobody complained about the entertainment value of the game.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 30, 2011, 11:28:38 AM
Offaly are going to pick 1 goalie, 13 defenders and Niall McNamee. We aim to win every game 1-2 to 0-0. Scorers, Niall McNammee (1-1, 1 pen), Ciaran McManus (0-1, 0-1 from an 80yd free)
Big Ciaran won't be playing, sure is he not due to hang his boots up :P
This is the future. How will the programmes cope?
1. Goalkeeper
2. Near Goal Supplementary Sweeper
3. Extreme Right Full Back 5. Full Back 7. Extreme Left Full Back
4. Precautionary Right Full Back. 8. Precautionary Left Full Back
6. Roaming Frontal Sweeper
9. Three Quarter Right Back 10. Three Quarter Center Back 11.Three Quarter Left Back
12. Right Half Back 13. Left Half Back
14. Supplementary Half Back/Playmaker.
15. Forward
What about a team like Galway? Does anyone think that whoever the new manager is might be tempted in a bid to get themselves up and running again? I know it is viewed as a very Ulster tactic and that mightn't sit too well with some supporters, but again, if you are sitting in an All Ireland semi-final in August, principles tend to be set aside even by the die-hards.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 30, 2011, 11:43:07 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 30, 2011, 11:28:38 AM
Offaly are going to pick 1 goalie, 13 defenders and Niall McNamee. We aim to win every game 1-2 to 0-0. Scorers, Niall McNammee (1-1, 1 pen), Ciaran McManus (0-1, 0-1 from an 80yd free)
Big Ciaran won't be playing, sure is he not due to hang his boots up :P
He'll play as my 'Three Quarter Centre Back' and take all long range frees.
The roaming frontal sweeper position...catch the ball...solo 15 metres....hand pass sideways....run back again...repeat. Mark McHugh has mastered it.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 30, 2011, 11:52:27 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 30, 2011, 11:43:07 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 30, 2011, 11:28:38 AM
Offaly are going to pick 1 goalie, 13 defenders and Niall McNamee. We aim to win every game 1-2 to 0-0. Scorers, Niall McNammee (1-1, 1 pen), Ciaran McManus (0-1, 0-1 from an 80yd free)
Big Ciaran won't be playing, sure is he not due to hang his boots up :P
He'll play as my 'Three Quarter Centre Back' and take all long range frees.
Would that be similar to the quarter back role that has somehow morphed it's way into football? "Marty Clarke is excelling in his quarter back role, spraying the passes around!" Annoys the hell of me >:(
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 30, 2011, 11:49:50 AM
This is the future. How will the programmes cope?
1. Goalkeeper
2. Near Goal Supplementary Sweeper
3. Extreme Right Full Back 5. Full Back 7. Extreme Left Full Back
4. Precautionary Right Full Back. 8. Precautionary Left Full Back
6. Roaming Frontal Sweeper
9. Three Quarter Right Back 10. Three Quarter Center Back 11.Three Quarter Left Back
12. Right Half Back 13. Left Half Back
14. Supplementary Half Back/Playmaker.
15. Forward
Brilliant.
i for one wont be following that dung football again
Mayo plan to play next year with no forwards. We will have every single one of our players in our own half all of the time.
We will move the ball quickly using 365 hand-passes up to midfield where Conor Mort will receive it and will try to draw a foul. We will then bring up Hennelly who will score from the resulting frees at midfield. He will be the furthest Mayo player up the field and when he hits his frees he will turn, without even looking after it, and sprint back to join the other 3 goalkeepers.
All Mayo supporters will sit around the half which we will be playing in which means at half time all supporters will have to get up and walk around the ground to sit in the other end for the second half. Most of us could do with the exercise anyways.
LOL. Some entertaining posts here! However, we should not think about entertaining posts. We should think about intensity. Entertain wont win any all-Ireland, intensity will. Try to make your posts more intense. Like mine
Quote from: muppet on August 30, 2011, 12:21:37 PM
Mayo plan to play next year with no forwards.
Biting my lip ... it's not easy.
Down could put 13 men in Defence and still not be able to Defend so we wont be doing it.
Defending is not in our Blood unfortunately.
Quote from: snoopdog on August 30, 2011, 01:29:37 PM
Down could put 13 men in Defence and still not be able to Defend so we wont be doing it.
Defending is not in our Blood unfortunately.
Why is it called "an Dún" if the county team can't defend?
Quote from: Hardy on August 30, 2011, 01:13:39 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 30, 2011, 12:21:37 PM
Mayo plan to play next year with no forwards.
Biting my lip ... it's not easy.
To make it easy for Hardy will line with the following numbers on the jersey of the first 15:
1, 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4, 4.5, 5, 5.5, 6, 6.5, 7, 7.5, 8, 9.
You will love it. I call it the ultra-absorbent blanket.
Quote from: muppet on August 30, 2011, 12:21:37 PM
Mayo plan to play next year with no forwards.
I'll try again.
How will we know?
Quote from: Hardy on August 30, 2011, 01:54:19 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 30, 2011, 12:21:37 PM
Mayo plan to play next year with no forwards.
I'll try again.
How will we know?
I'll try again, there will be no player in the other half and no player with a number higher than 9.
Quote from: muppet on August 30, 2011, 01:55:10 PM
Mayo plan to play next year with no forwards.
I'll try again.
How will that be different to how Mayo play every year?
Quote from: Hardy on August 30, 2011, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 30, 2011, 01:55:10 PM
Mayo plan to play next year with no forwards.
I'll try again.
How will that be different to how Mayo play every year?
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Quote from: sheamy on August 30, 2011, 11:55:06 AM
The roaming frontal sweeper position...catch the ball...solo 15 metres....hand pass sideways....run back again...repeat. Mark McHugh has mastered it.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Although he had variation on Sunday a couple of times when he soloed 15m forward, stopped while in space for no particular reason (nosebleed?), turned backwards and waited on a player to handpass to :o
Hopefully Cavan do.
Conceding 2-14 and 2-16 in the championship is just not on.
The prefered tactic would be All 15 men behind the ball,
Dive everytime we cross the halfway line,
and let James Reily have a go everytime from the ground.
I think Tyrone are the most likely candidates. Now that they know (with the legs being gone and all) that they do not have the natural talent to be competitive they must find a plan B.
Kerry, on the other hand, are still going strong. Natural talent will always win through in the end. Faced with this reality I think Tyrone will lean toward their negative instincts and follow Donegal. The master will relearn from the student, so to speak.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2011, 07:13:19 AM
I think Tyrone are the most likely candidates. Now that they know (with the legs being gone and all) that they do not have the natural talent to be competitive they must find a plan B.
Kerry, on the other hand, are still going strong. Natural talent will always win through in the end. Faced with this reality I think Tyrone will lean toward their negative instincts and follow Donegal. The master will relearn from the student, so to speak.
lol...you still can't work out why you lost three times, can you Mike? does anyone down there know yet?
I predict Dublin will be the next team to use it. In about 3 weeks time.
No Ulster side will ever beat kerry unless they use negative tactics. You simply dont have the natural footballers to take us on playing football.
Its nothing personal. Its just genetics. You simply dont have the natural talent.sorry.
and, while we are at it, I have already asked before (I think it was in reference to bogball) but I'll ask again, why do you Derrymen insist on licking Tyrones arse..? seriously, have you no pride in your county ? No Kerryman would EVER use a Cork sucess to score points in some argument against another county yet you are always on her slabbering about Tyrone....I am officiallly diagnosing this as the "Brolly" disease..
..seriously, its hard to take you lads seriously. No pride at all ::)
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2011, 08:42:28 AM
and, while we are at it, I have already asked before (I think it was in reference to bogball) but I'll ask again, why do you Derrymen insist of licking Tyrones arse..? seriously, have you no pride in your county ? No Kerryman would EVER use a Cork sucess to score points in some argument against another county yet you are always on her slabbering about Tyrone....I am officiallly diagnozing this as the "Brolly" disease..
..seriously, its hard to take you lads seriously. No pride at all ::)
deadly craic. Well don't lump us all in together into a collective known as nordies then :D We're a very diverse bunch you know...
It's always Ulster style or Nordern style (as Pat says).
I agree with you though! Especially the 'Brolly' disease. Great term. Can you get Spillane to say that on air? Catch 22. By using these phrases you boys have created the disease of Brolly (still luving this phrase).
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2011, 08:35:29 AM
No Ulster side will ever beat kerry unless they use negative tactics. You simply dont have the natural footballers to take us on playing football.
Its nothing personal. Its just genetics. You simply dont have the natural talent.sorry.
bit like the 'star' from beragh then :)
You haven't answered the question...how can a proud Derryman rely on a supposedly deadly rival to "score points" when having a go at Kerry.
Do you not see how that makes you just another Nordie jumping on whatever Nordie bandwagon is rolling by ?
At least in Kerry we take the highs and the lows as kerrymen, sure of our identity. Its funny how you lads slag the OWC crowd about this very thing yet you are exactly the same !
Quote from: sheamy on August 31, 2011, 08:51:39 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2011, 08:35:29 AM
No Ulster side will ever beat kerry unless they use negative tactics. You simply dont have the natural footballers to take us on playing football.
Its nothing personal. Its just genetics. You simply dont have the natural talent.sorry.
bit like the 'star' from beragh then :)
we knocked the Tyrone out of him. Turned him into a proper footballer.
Laois played with a two man forward line all year with everyone else's responsibility to retreat into defence once possession was lost. Got promoted out of division two using these tactics. Now they were not as physically fit or conditioned as the Donegal lads and dont have the same quality over the field overall but apart from that the style of football is almost the exact same. While it worked in the league, it was totally found out in the championship. The Laois Donegal league final was one of the worst matches i was ever at.
Even with a new manager and a successful league campaign, I have never seen less people turn out to support the Laois team in the championship. We played two championship games in Portlaoise this year and the support was pathetic. Bottom line is apart from the hard core support, no one wants to watch their county play football play in this way.
I just fear other counties similar to Laois will unsuccessfully try to follow the Donegal way, and we will have to endure an increased number of mind numbingly boring games of football next year
You have a point Mike. Ulster is unique like that. Probably the history involved. By and large when an Ulster team reaches the latter end of the championship, the others row in behind. Donegal made history last weekend by breaking that trend. It was some acheivement!
There's a certain pride in the fact that five Ulster counties won the AI since 1991 (be a long time happening in Munster or anywhere else). The inherent jealousies and respect drove the other counties on. Also belief. It's the same sense of pride I suppose in the fact that Kerry couldn't beat Down in the 60's either. I suppose that makes me a Down lover too. That's fine though.
In fact, Kerry resorted to name calling at that stage as well (a la puke football). The crime of that time was that the ball wasn't being kicked directly to the man but rather into space for forwards to run onto. This didn't sit well with the masters of the catch and kick universe. This isn't football we were told. It still rankles with Micko as he freely admits. That's however what makes ye boys great - the fact that ye are such bad losers. It's a great trait to have.
To be honest I'd look to Kerry before anyone else. Ye don't seem to need development squads, minor teams, u21 teams or feck all else. Am also impressed by the urgency in which the panic button around these teams was pressed this year when ye see nothing coming through, and a whole host of heavyweight managers hoisted into minor and u21s. Shows massive pride in the county to have that calibre of men go back in and take minor and u21 teams. I only wish we had that. We might get a chance to argue about our own two teams a bit more often.
Oh jesus, this makes me a Kerry lover now too. I need help.
It is strange alright. I've never figured out this love/hate thing with Kerry that northern teams have. Ye just want to beat us so much more than we care about beating you.Why is that ?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2011, 11:15:29 AM
It is strange alright. I've never figured out this love/hate thing with Kerry that northern teams have. Ye just want to beat us so much more than we care about beating you.Why is that ?
Not sure that's true or where you get that. You're probably equating winning all-irelands with beating Kerry. Some of the time they coincide. I never at any point said anyone had a love of beating Kerry. Winning all-irelands was my point. Kerry are just another team who happen to be in the latter stages more than most.
Quote from: sheamy on August 31, 2011, 12:26:56 PM
Not sure that's true or where you get that. You're probably equating winning all-irelands with beating Kerry. Some of the time they coincide. I never at any point said anyone had a love of beating Kerry. Winning all-irelands was my point. Kerry are just another team who happen to be in the latter stages more than most.
You're on a beaten docket there I fear. Attempting to get that particular individual to doff his green and gold (rose) suffused glasses is akin to sculpting mercury at room temperature:
well nigh feckin' impossible!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 31, 2011, 12:56:43 PM
Quote from: sheamy on August 31, 2011, 12:26:56 PM
Not sure that's true or where you get that. You're probably equating winning all-irelands with beating Kerry. Some of the time they coincide. I never at any point said anyone had a love of beating Kerry. Winning all-irelands was my point. Kerry are just another team who happen to be in the latter stages more than most.
You're on a beaten docket there I fear. Attempting to get that particular individual to doff his green and gold (rose) suffused glasses is akin to sculpting mercury at room temperature: well nigh feckin' impossible!
oh I know. He's good craic though :)
Quote from: sheamy on August 31, 2011, 02:12:19 PM
oh I know. He's well cracked though :)
Fixed that for you! ;)
Quote from: haze on August 31, 2011, 09:20:17 AM
Laois played with a two man forward line all year with everyone else's responsibility to retreat into defence once possession was lost. Got promoted out of division two using these tactics. Now they were not as physically fit or conditioned as the Donegal lads and dont have the same quality over the field overall but apart from that the style of football is almost the exact same. While it worked in the league, it was totally found out in the championship. The Laois Donegal league final was one of the worst matches i was ever at.
Even with a new manager and a successful league campaign, I have never seen less people turn out to support the Laois team in the championship. We played two championship games in Portlaoise this year and the support was pathetic. Bottom line is apart from the hard core support, no one wants to watch their county play football play in this way.
I just fear other counties similar to Laois will unsuccessfully try to follow the Donegal way, and we will have to endure an increased number of mind numbingly boring games of football next year
Laughable. Maybe it has something to do with the county being shite at football as of late? Or maybe you are a county full of glory supporters - who will only turn out when theres something to be won. If any county used Donegal's style of play after years of dissapointment and then had a good chance of appearing in an AI final everyone would want tickets no matter the style. I know plenty of Donegal people who slated Armagh's style of play over the years and now wouldnt hear a bad word said about it.