Hearing this morning that O'Rourke will no longer be a selector with Kildare next season.
I wouldn't be surprised if Anthony Rainbow joined the senior management now from the u21s with Tom Cribbin expected to replace Alan Barry as their manager.
Perhaps he'd like a job closer to home?
How long before he is linked to the role of super coach at Armagh as described by the Irish News last week.
Quote from: David McKeown on August 19, 2011, 01:00:32 PM
How long before he is linked to the role of super coach at Armagh as described by the Irish News last week.
Sometime last week probably.
didnt he get the queen`s gig( director of football or something), this may prevent him from travelling to kildare as regularly as he did last year.
Quote from: naka on August 19, 2011, 01:13:17 PM
didnt he get the queen`s gig( director of football or something), this may prevent him from travelling to kildare as regularly as he did last year.
Yeah, that might preclude him from taking on an active role with Armagh as there would be a huge conflict of interest there.
Quote from: Hardy on August 19, 2011, 02:37:00 PM
I've been looking for trends for trainers in form. Having paper traded for a while, I started yesterday with real money, following Michael Bell (7 winners from his last 20 runners before yesterday, strike rate 35%, ROI of 106% to level stakes win bets) and Roger Charlton (10 winners from his last 20 runners, SR=50%, ROI=172%).
Last week, on paper, Bell delivered 19.44 points profit on bets of 8 points each way and Charlton delivered 29.98 on 10 points each way.
Yesterday I had four bets of one point e.w. and made a profit of 6.26 points on my investment of 8 (ROI =78%) when Set To Music won at 12 on Betfair, 1.81 for the place.
Today, Prompter has just been touched off by half a length into 3rd in the 2:00 at York at 30 (!), 6.4 for the place.
The problem with hot yards is that you don't know when the streak is over and you'll lose some of whatever (if any) you make before you realise it's time to pull out. Or at worst, you notice the trend only when it's over and step in just in time to take the losses.
Anyway, for what it's worth, Bell has Margot Did in the 3:40 at York (25 on Betfair) and Charlton has Bated Breath in the same race (9.4) and Newnton Lodge in the 3:15 at Sandown (7.8 ) .
(Sorry for not mentioning this before now, but I wanted to get my feet wet before inviting people in for a dip. And sorry in advance if now is when it ends.)
Rumour that Aidan O'Rourke is heading to Jim Bolger's yard.
Sorry for posting that in the wrong thread. I'm like a bull in a fog here. I'll see if I can trundle over to the racing thread.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 19, 2011, 12:28:45 PM
Hearing this morning that O'Rourke will no longer be a selector with Kildare next season.
I wouldn't be surprised if Anthony Rainbow joined the senior management now from the u21s with Tom Cribbin expected to replace Alan Barry as their manager.
I wouldn't be too sure about that, Rainbow has very little coaching experience and would be too close to the panel for my liking. I'd like a Kildare man involved but not sure if we have anyone to make a difference..
Will this have an impact on the Armagh set up?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 19, 2011, 03:02:05 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 19, 2011, 12:28:45 PM
Hearing this morning that O'Rourke will no longer be a selector with Kildare next season.
I wouldn't be surprised if Anthony Rainbow joined the senior management now from the u21s with Tom Cribbin expected to replace Alan Barry as their manager.
I wouldn't be too sure about that, Rainbow has very little coaching experience and would be too close to the panel for my liking. I'd like a Kildare man involved but not sure if we have anyone to make a difference..
I'd have assumed that his involvement with the senior and u21 managements this year was to groom him for a role like this. His closeness to the panel wouldn't overly bother me. He knows Kildare football inside out so there would be no "getting to know you period."
Surely there's a few more of our own that are worth a mention - Sos maybe? I presume Glenn has committed to Longford for another year? I know Pádraig Brennan was highly thought of by the u21 panel from a few years ago but O'Rourke's role seemed to focus on the defensive side of things.
Were you happy with the U21s this year?
SOS I think would be good in the Niall Carew role, I'd like someone with an a good coaching background not just someone with knowledge, defensively we were excellent this year so I'm sure McGeeney can continue that but like a forwards coach in some capacity.
I'd like Rainbow to cut his cloth elsewhere, a senior club and a maybe a county gig on top of that, I know of interest there.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 19, 2011, 05:10:41 PM
Were you happy with the U21s this year?
SOS I think would be good in the Niall Carew role, I'd like someone with an a good coaching background not just someone with knowledge, defensively we were excellent this year so I'm sure McGeeney can continue that but like a forwards coach in some capacity.
I'd like Rainbow to cut his cloth elsewhere, a senior club and a maybe a county gig on top of that, I know of interest there.
I thought they were a bit unlucky tbf. Very unfortunate to lose out by a point down in Wexford with Mulhall and Moolick out injured. Had they won that they'd have probably gone on to win the province. Considering most of the main players were only in their first season out of minor (Dowling, Fogarty, Hurley, Feely, Comerford), it was a big ask of them. We should be very competitive next year at u21 with those five lads and Mulhall and Moolick both underage again. If the speculation is correct, and Tom Cribbin is taking them next year, then I'd expect us to take a bit of stopping in Leinster at the very least.
Anthony is going to be involved with the seniors to some degree anyway but I'd like to see him given a more prominent role because he would be able to liase between the senior and u21 managements. The consensus at the moment is that we're still two or three players short from making the breakthrough at senior level. I don't see an awful lot on the junior team that is better than what is already on the extended senior panel. The new blood to (hopefully) push the seniors through the glass ceiling is going to have to come from the u21s and giving Anthony a prominent role with both managements might help accelerate the process. I personally think that we left it a bit too late this year in bringing some of the younger lads in. McGeeney only called in Fogarty and Hurley after the hiding we received up in Dungannon (second last league match) and it didn't give them enough time to bed in properly. Fogarty, in particular, could have made a big impact had he been blooded a bit earlier and the way Hurley hauled off in the second half of the Dublin match was unfair.
Quote from: onefaircounty on August 19, 2011, 01:09:39 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on August 19, 2011, 01:00:32 PM
How long before he is linked to the role of super coach at Armagh as described by the Irish News last week.
Sometime last week probably.
I meant on here but i notice now someone already had
O'Rourke had huge influence in the Kildare setup. Whilst McGeeney received all of the plaudits it was O'Rourke who took training, tactics and worked closley with the players. 'Super-coach' -esque if you like! Surely Armagh will approach him if they havent already?
His role at Queen's Uni is just a GAA officer job which would involve Admin and not coaching or managing so I dont see a conflict of interest if he were to take the Armagh job. Paddy out and Aidan in makes complete sense. Aidans brother Cathal would also be a man worth considering for Armagh?
Quote from: David McKeown on August 19, 2011, 06:37:46 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on August 19, 2011, 01:09:39 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on August 19, 2011, 01:00:32 PM
How long before he is linked to the role of super coach at Armagh as described by the Irish News last week.
Sometime last week probably.
I meant on here but i notice now someone already had
Was only being awkward mate.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 19, 2011, 03:02:05 PM
I wouldn't be too sure about that, Rainbow has very little coaching experience and would be too close to the panel for my liking. I'd like a Kildare man involved but not sure if we have anyone to make a difference..
FFS
T O M M Y C A R E W
By a country mile, getting on a bit now but IMO an exp he was an most likely still is the best coach in flourbagland!!!
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 21, 2011, 06:15:24 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 19, 2011, 03:02:05 PM
I wouldn't be too sure about that, Rainbow has very little coaching experience and would be too close to the panel for my liking. I'd like a Kildare man involved but not sure if we have anyone to make a difference..
FFS
T O M M Y C A R E W
By a country , getting on a bit now but IMO an exp he was an most likely still is the best coach in flourbagland!!!
Good shout but I doubt Tommy would want the hassle at his age.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 21, 2011, 08:00:44 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 21, 2011, 06:15:24 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 19, 2011, 03:02:05 PM
I wouldn't be too sure about that, Rainbow has very little coaching experience and would be too close to the panel for my liking. I'd like a Kildare man involved but not sure if we have anyone to make a difference..
FFS
T O M M Y C A R E W
By a country , getting on a bit now but IMO an exp he was an most likely still is the best coach in flourbagland!!!
Good shout but I doubt Tommy would want the hassle at his age.
If you boys think Kieran McGeeney will accept the county board appointing a coach for him then you don't know McGeeney. Only the likes of Paddy O'Rourke would sit back and accept that!
McGeeney will go and hand pick his own men, like any decent manager would!
Quote from: ck on August 22, 2011, 07:14:16 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 21, 2011, 08:00:44 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 21, 2011, 06:15:24 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 19, 2011, 03:02:05 PM
I wouldn't be too sure about that, Rainbow has very little coaching experience and would be too close to the panel for my liking. I'd like a Kildare man involved but not sure if we have anyone to make a difference..
FFS
T O M M Y C A R E W
By a country , getting on a bit now but IMO an exp he was an most likely still is the best coach in flourbagland!!!
Good shout but I doubt Tommy would want the hassle at his age.
If you boys think Kieran McGeeney will accept the county board appointing a coach for him then you don't know McGeeney. Only the likes of Paddy O'Rourke would sit back and accept that!
McGeeney will go and hand pick his own men, like any decent manager would!
Where are you getting that from the above posts?
Just wondering if Paddy Tally would come into the equation now that he is free of Down committments. I know he divides opinion in terms of his effectiveness. Any thoughts?
What about Davy Dalton?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 22, 2011, 09:00:45 PM
What about Davy Dalton?
Poor old Davy somehow ended up on the wrong side of Kilcock one night and hasn't been seen nor heard of since.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 22, 2011, 09:00:45 PM
What about Davy Dalton?
Great player
In the Liam harnan stable as a coach/manager ( ie ... Not good)
Meanwhile.....
Kieran McGeeney commits to two more years
Published on Tuesday 23 August 2011 12:24
ARMAGH man Kieran McGeeney has committed to stay on as Kildare senior football manager for a further two years, the Leinster Leader can reveal.
The former All Ireland winner has been in charge of the Lilies for the last four seasons and he has led them to three All Ireland quarter finals and one semi final in 2010 where they were beaten by Down.
Since taking the reigns McGeeney's team has never been beaten in the All Ireland qualifier series but the main prize still eludes him and his team. In 2011 Kildare took the O'Byrne Cup but Dublin ended their hopes of a provincial title, while Donegal, after extra time, dumped Kildare out of the All Ireland Championship.
The Mullaghbawn native will have to go in search of a new selector before the start of next season after Aidan O'Rourke resigned his position last week but first he will travel to Australia as part of Anthony Tohill's International Rules management team.
http://www.leinsterleader.ie/sport/gaelic-games/kieran_mcgeeney_commits_to_two_more_years_1_2988911 (http://www.leinsterleader.ie/sport/gaelic-games/kieran_mcgeeney_commits_to_two_more_years_1_2988911)
Happy enough with that, choice of selector will be interesting.
The 2 year plan must be promotion and Leinster year 1 and All-Ireland glory year 2 ;)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 23, 2011, 02:02:06 PM
Happy enough with that, choice of selector will be interesting.
The 2 year plan must be promotion and Leinster year 1 and All-Ireland glory year 2 ;)
If he wasn't able to do it in the 1st 4 year plan what makes you think he'll do it in his next 2 year plan without his main general at his side?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 23, 2011, 02:12:54 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 23, 2011, 02:02:06 PM
Happy enough with that, choice of selector will be interesting.
The 2 year plan must be promotion and Leinster year 1 and All-Ireland glory year 2 ;)
If he wasn't able to do it in the 1st 4 year plan what makes you think he'll do it in his next 2 year plan without his main general at his side?
We all have our dreams BC1, I won't have you and your logical questions take that away.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 23, 2011, 02:02:06 PM
Happy enough with that, choice of selector will be interesting.
The 2 year plan must be promotion and Leinster year 1 and All-Ireland glory year 2 ;)
Getting Earley, Kelly, Lynch and Conway back fit is essential for any plan to succeed. We simply didn't have the depth to absorb such injuries this year and that cost us against Donegal in extra time - having to bring Johnny and Flanno back on.
From 1 to 9 I think we are as strong as there is around at the moment and the fact that the likes of Kerry, Tyrone and Cork have many of their key players coming towards the ends of their careers would give you hope that we can remain competitive. I would hope that this year might be seen as a turning point for Kildare. We were forced to blood new players because of all the injuries and as a result we should have more options next year. Both Shane Connolly and Mick Foley look like they have solved what have been problem positions and Ollie Lyons is possibly the man marker we have been looking for. Peter Kelly's return will add further to our defensive options.
Our midfield reserves were tested to their limits this season but hopefully Dermot's return and Daryl Flynn's return to fitness will allow Johnny to move back to the forwards. Lynch should also be back at some stage during the league and Chalky might emerge as a potential long-term partner for Flynn with Kelly's return to the backs.
The reason we can't break through the glass ceiling is the shortcomings in our forward line. The problem as I see it is that we have too many players of a similar level. We have about nine or ten good forwards but none of them (bar Johnny) are consistently excellent. The likes of Kavanagh and Smith in particular have a tendency to flatter to deceive.
How can we improve our forward play? Well moving Johnny back to the corner will be a start. Getting and keeping Mikey Conway fit would also be a huge bonus. He would bring a creative ability to the half-forward line that players like Paudie and Roli simply don't possess. Give Smith and Kavanagh a run at it through the O'Byrne Cup and the League and hope that it helps build their confidence (neither was helped by their truncated campaigns this year). I'm still undecided on whether O'Connor is the way to go at full-forward. He brings a lot of positive aspects but I still think he might be better used as an impact sub. However, he might benefit from a full league campaign, something he hasn't had since Crofton's last year in charge. I think Fogarty might be a better long-term option at 14. Dowling might also be more of an option next year after a winter in the gym. I'm not sure there's anyone outside the panel who would be better than what is already there. I'd have my reservations about Mulhall and Moolick looks like more of a future centre-back or midfielder.
McGeeney won't leave any stone unturned in the pursuit of success and I doubt there are that many panels out there that are as dedicated and committed as this bunch of Kildare players. I have my doubts whether that will be enough to finally make the ultimate breakthrough but we'll enjoy the journey wherever it takes us. A bit of good luck along the way wouldn't go amiss given our recent history.
Great post DH, you seem to articulate what many in Kildare think, it's been a great journey and long may it continue...
i will add we have our own little ginger lad out in Oz who might make all the difference..
QuoteAidan O'Rourke is set to join the Down football management team in 2012.
The former Armagh star stepped down as Kildare assistant manager a few weeks ago and will now link up with James McCartan, who he previously worked alongside at Queen's University.
O'Rourke will fill one of the voids left by Paddy Tally and Brian McInver, who stepped down from their selector roles in the wake of the Mourne County's heavy All-Ireland qualifier defeat to Cork in July.
The 2002 All-Ireland winner, who still plays with his club Dromintee, cited travel and family commitments as the reasons behind his decision to leave Kildare.
"It's exclusively down to travel," he said.
"I have a young family, my kids are three and five, plus I work in Belfast. I was spending five hours driving a day. I left home at 7am and wouldn't be back until 11.30pm."
John Rafferty confirmed as O'Rourke's replacement at last night's county board meeting.
Brian Murphy remaining on as minor manager. No decision yet on u21 job. Widely anticipated to be Tom Cribbin.
http://www.kfmradio.com/kfm-radio/sports-news/gaa-rafferty-takes-o-rourke-s-place-as-kildare-selector.html (http://www.kfmradio.com/kfm-radio/sports-news/gaa-rafferty-takes-o-rourke-s-place-as-kildare-selector.html)
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 05, 2011, 12:27:09 PM
John Rafferty confirmed as O'Rourke's replacement at last night's county board meeting.
Brian Murphy remaining on as minor manager. No decision yet on u21 job. Widely anticipated to be Tom Cribbin.
http://www.kfmradio.com/kfm-radio/sports-news/gaa-rafferty-takes-o-rourke-s-place-as-kildare-selector.html (http://www.kfmradio.com/kfm-radio/sports-news/gaa-rafferty-takes-o-rourke-s-place-as-kildare-selector.html)
Jobs for "the boys of the county Armagh" !
Exchange rate healthy to be paid in euros too! Santa will be good in the Orchard this year.
I'd hate to be bearer of bad news, especially when a fellow Poyntzpass man is involved but:
- John won an Ulster medal in his last year of playing
- John helped Big Joe through his last year of managing Armagh
Will this be Geezer's last year in charge of the flour bags?
Quote from: Orior on October 05, 2011, 11:08:11 PM
I'd hate to be bearer of bad news, especially when a fellow Poyntzpass man is involved but:
- John won an Ulster medal in his last year of playing
- John helped Big Joe through his last year of managing Armagh
Will this be Geezer's last year in charge of the flour bags?
We won't run out of money until 2013 so he's going to give it another two seasons.
Wont be too sure of that hollow as the clubs he has been with will tell you he is supposidly not easy paid
Quote from: NP 76 on October 06, 2011, 03:59:04 PM
Wont be too sure of that hollow as the clubs he has been with will tell you he is supposidly not easy paid
Rafferty? if he isn't easily paid then a lot of clubs have been hit hard. I know he has been around the circuit but never heard too many figures.