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Title: All-Ireland Junior Football final - Kildare v Cork 20/08/2011
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 07, 2011, 11:47:32 AM
We don't get to many at any level so expect a good crowd from Kildare at this.

This is Kildare's Senior development squad, what's the story with Cork, development or pure Junior like the Dubs?
Title: Re: All-Ireland Junior Football final - Kildare v Cork 20/08/2011
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 07, 2011, 06:04:12 PM
Kildare progress to All-Ireland Junior football final

After a slow start in the first half of this All-Ireland Junior Football semi-final Kildare regrouped and booked a place in the final against Cork. Cork defeated Sligo in their semi final on a scoreline of 0-14 to 1-06.

Lancashire had a dream start with a goal and a point in the first 4 minutes of the game. O'Neill opened the scoring with a point in the first minute. This was followed 3 minutes later when Liam Coyne finished to the net after a long ball into the square.

Kildare responded with 2 points from Darroch Mulhall, the Athy man would finish the game with 5 points.Lancharshire added another point to their tally before Kildare added four points from play.Mulhall got the first of these scores and then points followed from Ciaran Kelly, Paddy Dunne and Tommy Moolick. Moolicks point was one of the scores of the game.

Lancharshire finished the first half scoring with a point from a free, this left the half time score 1-03 to 0-06.

The second half started with the teams adding points through Mulhall and Coyne. Kildare's dominated the next 10 minutes of the game and took a 3 point led after points from Carew, Mulhall and Moolick.

Mick Molloy got on the score sheet for the English champions but Kildare hit four unanswered points.Kelly added a fine point and this was followed by a point from Ballymore's Tommie Archbold. Carew added another free to his tally and Clane's Conor Murphy added a point.

The exiles showed their battling skills and this was repaided when they won a penalty in the final minutes of the game. Mick Molly converted. From the kickout of Kildare gathered possession and Castlemitchell's Emmet Hyland kicked the final score of the day. The final score on the night was Kildare 0-16, Lancashire 2-o6
Title: Re: All-Ireland Junior Football final - Kildare v Cork 20/08/2011
Post by: Zulu on August 07, 2011, 06:08:18 PM
I think Cork's team would be very much a junior team. One or two have featured with the seniors but most never have or ever will. I know a few of the Cork players and was at the semi final, they are decent but not great, if Kildare's squad are potential seniors then I would expect Kildare to win.
Title: Re: All-Ireland Junior Football final - Kildare v Cork 20/08/2011
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 07, 2011, 06:29:51 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 07, 2011, 06:08:18 PM
I think Cork's team would be very much a junior team. One or two have featured with the seniors but most never have or ever will. I know a few of the Cork players and was at the semi final, they are decent but not great, if Kildare's squad are potential seniors then I would expect Kildare to win.

Thanks Zulu interesting, I wouldn't expect many too many to feature for Kildare in the the near future, as the Junior championship has progressed the squad has weakened as a couple of the good 'uns were called up to the seniors and indeed made senior championship appearances.

Would expect Cork to continue their recent dominance at this level but good experience for the Kildare lads.
Title: Re: All-Ireland Junior Football final - Kildare v Cork 20/08/2011
Post by: David McKeown on August 07, 2011, 06:58:05 PM
Whats the rules in relation to eligibility for this competition?
Title: Re: All-Ireland Junior Football final - Kildare v Cork 20/08/2011
Post by: Zulu on August 07, 2011, 07:04:01 PM
Vary from county to county, for some you must be playing jumior club football but for others it's a second tier senior team. When Waterford won it a few years back many of the players would have made the county senior team.

Cork would still be decent Dinny so if Kildare are weakened that might tilt the AI towards Cork. I'd say most of their players are decent Sigerson players so if Kildare are better than that then they should win, if not.......
Title: Re: All-Ireland Junior Football final - Kildare v Cork 20/08/2011
Post by: INDIANA on August 07, 2011, 08:40:45 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on August 07, 2011, 06:58:05 PM
Whats the rules in relation to eligibility for this competition?

Dublin, Cork and Kerry are not allowed play any player who played senior club championship the previous year.

I saw Cork yesterday. I also saw Kildare hockey our lads. I know Kildare have lost players but I'd still make them marginal favourites.
Title: Re: All-Ireland Junior Football final - Kildare v Cork 20/08/2011
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 07, 2011, 09:11:45 PM
Kildare definitely aren't as strong as they were at the start of the year. Ollie Lyons, Mikey Conway and Seán Hurley are all now ineligible while big Willie Heff and Mark O'Sullivan both did their cruciates.

Of the team that played yesterday both Tomás Moolick and Darroch Mulhall will definitely play championship football for Kildare in the near future. Mulhall could be one of the missing links for McGeeney if he can cut it at senior level. The fact that he's naturally left-footed is another bonus. Apart from Bolton and Conway I can't think of any other citógs on the Kildare panel. Ciarán Kelly and Ciarán Fitzpatrick will probably get a run in the league next year to see if they're up to it. Also great to see Tommy Archibald back in a Kildare team. He was one of the most prodigious talents I've ever see play underage for Kildare. It's a pity he is cursed with injuries.
Title: Re: All-Ireland Junior Football final - Kildare v Cork 20/08/2011
Post by: magpie seanie on August 07, 2011, 11:30:59 PM
We won it last year so Cork effectively beat a Sligo 3rd team in that semi final as lads who played in last years final were ineligible.
Title: Re: All-Ireland Junior Football final - Kildare v Cork 20/08/2011
Post by: Rossfan on August 08, 2011, 12:31:34 PM
Will this be put on as a "pre curtain raiser " in Croker with one of the AI Semis or will it be hived off to Nenagh ( like us v Kerry 2000 - we won MWRites  ;))or Ballyragget or such like ?
We got to 4 finals in this grade in the noughties and the combined attendances from the 4 who were there for the Junior ( some were double headers in Portlaoise) probably didnt exceed 5,000.
Title: Re: All-Ireland Junior Football final - Kildare v Cork 20/08/2011
Post by: magpie seanie on August 08, 2011, 12:41:28 PM
I suspect the semi was brought to Croker to help rebuild a certain managers profile. I'd highly doubt the final will be in HQ.
Title: Re: All-Ireland Junior Football final - Kildare v Cork 20/08/2011
Post by: AZOffaly on August 08, 2011, 03:06:48 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 07, 2011, 08:40:45 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on August 07, 2011, 06:58:05 PM
Whats the rules in relation to eligibility for this competition?

Dublin, Cork and Kerry are not allowed play any player who played senior club championship the previous year.

I saw Cork yesterday. I also saw Kildare hockey our lads. I know Kildare have lost players but I'd still make them marginal favourites.

? The Kerry Juniors that won the All Ireland had several players that played with Divisional Sides in the County Championship, so you must mean the pure Club Championship. That's probably right.

Another rule Kerry have, or had, was that if you had won the All Ireland the year before, you couldn't play the next year.
Title: Re: All-Ireland Junior Football final - Kildare v Cork 20/08/2011
Post by: magpie seanie on August 08, 2011, 04:38:10 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 08, 2011, 03:06:48 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 07, 2011, 08:40:45 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on August 07, 2011, 06:58:05 PM
Whats the rules in relation to eligibility for this competition?

Dublin, Cork and Kerry are not allowed play any player who played senior club championship the previous year.

I saw Cork yesterday. I also saw Kildare hockey our lads. I know Kildare have lost players but I'd still make them marginal favourites.

? The Kerry Juniors that won the All Ireland had several players that played with Divisional Sides in the County Championship, so you must mean the pure Club Championship. That's probably right.

Another rule Kerry have, or had, was that if you had won the All Ireland the year before, you couldn't play the next year.

That's an official rule as I mentioned above.
Title: Re: All-Ireland Junior Football final - Kildare v Cork 20/08/2011
Post by: INDIANA on August 08, 2011, 04:44:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 08, 2011, 03:06:48 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 07, 2011, 08:40:45 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on August 07, 2011, 06:58:05 PM
Whats the rules in relation to eligibility for this competition?

Dublin, Cork and Kerry are not allowed play any player who played senior club championship the previous year.

I saw Cork yesterday. I also saw Kildare hockey our lads. I know Kildare have lost players but I'd still make them marginal favourites.

? The Kerry Juniors that won the All Ireland had several players that played with Divisional Sides in the County Championship, so you must mean the pure Club Championship. That's probably right.

Another rule Kerry have, or had, was that if you had won the All Ireland the year before, you couldn't play the next year.

Pure senior sides. Dublin, Cork and Kerry would win this every year if they were allowed play. Causes a lot of discontent in Dublin but I can see why its done. Probably circa 800-900 players in Dublin in-elligible because of it.

Denis Bastic, O Gara and Mick Fitzsimons came off the last Dublin team to win at this grade.
Title: Re: All-Ireland Junior Football final - Kildare v Cork 20/08/2011
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 10, 2011, 04:40:24 PM
Match set for Thurles. 4 o'clock throw in.
Title: Re: All-Ireland Junior Football final - Kildare v Cork 20/08/2011
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 10, 2011, 05:09:59 PM
it will be KFM for me so. Thurles, good size pitch should suit our lads.
Title: Re: All-Ireland Junior Football final - Kildare v Cork 20/08/2011
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 19, 2011, 09:07:27 PM
No sign of a team on the Kildare website yet. I've heard that John Browne is having a fitness test tomorrow morning. Would be a big loss if he was out.

Don't have too many fond memories of Thurles as a Kildare supporter. The league win over Tipp last year is the only Kildare victory I can remember witnessing in Tom Semple's field. Hopefully we can land an all too rare All-Ireland title there tomorrow evening. The betting suggests we will: 4/7 at the moment on oddschecker  :o
Title: Cluiche
Post by: drici on August 20, 2011, 04:36:05 PM
Kildare 0-07  Cork 1-03

Half Time
Title: Toradh
Post by: drici on August 20, 2011, 05:21:43 PM
Kildare 0-12  Cork 1-09

Full Time
Title: Ar Ais
Post by: drici on August 20, 2011, 05:33:32 PM
The players are back out for Extra Time.
Title: Cluiche
Post by: drici on August 20, 2011, 05:40:49 PM
Kildare 0-13  Cork 1-10

Half Time in Extra Time
Title: Toradh
Post by: drici on August 20, 2011, 05:56:10 PM
Kildare 0-13  Cork 1-12

After Extra Time
Title: Re: All-Ireland Junior Football final - Kildare v Cork 20/08/2011
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 21, 2011, 02:10:44 PM
Same old story for Kildare I'm afraid. Solid enough defence and midfield but lacking the killer instinct in the forwards - 14 wides tells its own story. We were cruising along in the first half and probably should have been further clear but we never seemed to recover once Cork got their goal a few minutes before the interval.

It's difficult to envisage many of the team yesterday stepping up to senior level. Tommy Moolick was Kildare's most impressive player but he was wasted at wing back. I can't understand why he wasn't moved into a more central position where he could have influenced the game more. Fitzpatrick had a very mixed day, did a lot of positive things but made a handful of basic errors as well. Matt Kelly was quite prominent but he ran out of steam in the second half. Ronan Walsh too had a decent game and Eyres looks like a better option than Shorty as backup to Shane Connolly. Not a whole lot to write home about in the forwards. Mulhall is the great white hope but he wasn't anywhere near his best yesterday. In fairness to him he did pick up a bad knock in the first half but he had been beaten out to a few balls by his man before that. He should have taken a goal chance after doing well to dispossess the Cork keeper but he tried to lob him and ended up just hitting it straight at him. He did kick some good scores but he does seem very one footed which won't do at senior inter-county level.