Another day, another bad call and another result probably reversed.
Ideas?
That umpire could barely walk across the goals to give the signal off no goal (kildare vs don), the fat oaf.................................generally all the umpires are old codgers, half off them without glasses......................also badly positioned, its shocking
No problem with the umpire.
He gave the goal.
How is an umpire supposed to watch the ball dropping in from on high to judge when it crosses the line of the square at the same time as watching the players? Stupid rule. They should either bar players from entering the square altogether or let them in at all times. I don't know what the stats are on square ball calls, but I wouldn't be surprised if its close enough to 50/50 correct/incorrect.
We had a perfectly good solution to the square ball issue.
Once the ball is kicked the man is entitled to get in there.
We should have introduced that along with the mark.
Two rules which rewarded positive play and were shot down for no good reason.
Sometimes we're too democratic.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2011, 10:10:38 PM
We had a perfectly good solution to the square ball issue.
Once the ball is kicked the man is entitled to get in there.
We should have introduced that along with the mark.
Two rules which rewarded positive play and were shot down for no good reason.
Sometimes we're too democratic.
Jarlath got quite animated about it on the Beeb's coverage, angry with Congress for rejecting it. There'll have to be something done or is it one of the rules that cant be revisited for a period of a couple of years?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2011, 10:10:38 PM
We had a perfectly good solution to the square ball issue.
Once the ball is kicked the man is entitled to get in there.
We should have introduced that along with the mark.
Two rules which rewarded positive play and were shot down for no good reason.
Sometimes we're too democratic.
That would certainly reduce the error rate, but you're still going to have tv cameras showing slow-motion replays of lads running into the square marginally before or after the ball is last kicked and thus the resulting furore, depending on the decision of the ref. Like the offside rule in soccer.
Quote from: J70 on July 30, 2011, 10:07:45 PM
How is an umpire supposed to watch the ball dropping in from on high to judge when it crosses the line of the square at the same time as watching the players? Stupid rule. They should either bar players from entering the square altogether or let them in at all times. I don't know what the stats are on square ball calls, but I wouldn't be surprised if its close enough to 50/50 correct/incorrect.
That seems about right to me. Today's didn't look that hard to call based on TV replay. But the umpire had to be looking only at the ball there to see if it was going wide or not, how's he meant to have an eye on the forward too?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2011, 10:10:38 PM
We had a perfectly good solution to the square ball issue.
Once the ball is kicked the man is entitled to get in there.
We should have introduced that along with the mark.
Two rules which rewarded positive play and were shot down for no good reason.
Sometimes we're too democratic.
Yes to the square ball. No to the mark.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 30, 2011, 10:20:09 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2011, 10:10:38 PM
We had a perfectly good solution to the square ball issue.
Once the ball is kicked the man is entitled to get in there.
We should have introduced that along with the mark.
Two rules which rewarded positive play and were shot down for no good reason.
Sometimes we're too democratic.
Jarlath got quite animated about it on the Beeb's coverage, angry with Congress for rejecting it. There'll have to be something done or is it one of the rules that cant be revisited for a period of a couple of years?
He was right though, he said he was sick of discussing refereeing decisions after matches instead of discussing the actual match. Congress had the chance to nail the square ball conundrum and it didn't happen. Ball leaves toe and people can enter the small square - although not ideal it is at least clear.
In the case today the umpire gave the goal and the ref gave it square ball. McHugh said that the ref has an earpiece wired in so why not get a 4th official to make the call based on tv replay.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 30, 2011, 09:52:59 PM
That umpire could barely walk across the goals to give the signal off no goal (kildare vs don), the fat oaf.................................generally all the umpires are old codgers, half off them without glasses......................also badly positioned, its shocking
Take the navy slacks and put them over you head and take a walk on the M50. The umpire (correctly) gave a goal. THe much lauded referee over-ruled him. Your comment is inane and the personal abuse of a voluntary official deplorable.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 30, 2011, 11:18:23 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2011, 10:10:38 PM
We had a perfectly good solution to the square ball issue.
Once the ball is kicked the man is entitled to get in there.
We should have introduced that along with the mark.
Two rules which rewarded positive play and were shot down for no good reason.
Sometimes we're too democratic.
Yes to the square ball. No to the mark.
Just cos you've no one that can catch a ball! :P
The title of this thread would suggest that the umpires did something wrong. They got it absolutely right today. Straight up with the green flag until the referee trotted in and overruled it. God only knows why!
Donegal get yet another rub of the green from a referee. It would fit referees better to crack down on Donegals cynical fouling and running across the paths of attacking link men.
It's great to see Refs consulting with their umpires.
Scenario 1.
Umpire: "That was a goal."
Ref: "No it wasn't."
Scenario 2.
Umpire: "He was in the square."
Ref: "No he wasn't."
Scenario 3.
Umpire: "That was wide".
Ref: "No it wasn't".
Quote from: ck on July 31, 2011, 12:49:36 AM
The title of this thread would suggest that the umpires did something wrong. They got it absolutely right today. Straight up with the green flag until the referee trotted in and overruled it. God only knows why!
Donegal get yet another rub of the green from a referee. It would fit referees better to crack down on Donegals cynical fouling and running across the paths of attacking link men.
Don't let Jim McGuinness hear you say that. :D
The umpires seemed to give the goal until the ref came in.why did the ref have to get involved and just let the goal stand
Quote from: ck on July 31, 2011, 12:49:36 AM
The title of this thread would suggest that the umpires did something wrong. They got it absolutely right today. Straight up with the green flag until the referee trotted in and overruled it. God only knows why!
Donegal get yet another rub of the green from a referee. It would fit referees better to crack down on Donegals cynical fouling and running across the paths of attacking link men.
Is that a foul though? Surely you can run on whatever part of the field you need to. Checking your run to block a man is a foul but you occupying a space that causes the attacker to change his speed or direction can't be a foul. If it was there would be no point defending at all.
Quote from: andoireabu on July 31, 2011, 01:14:16 AM
Quote from: ck on July 31, 2011, 12:49:36 AM
The title of this thread would suggest that the umpires did something wrong. They got it absolutely right today. Straight up with the green flag until the referee trotted in and overruled it. God only knows why!
Donegal get yet another rub of the green from a referee. It would fit referees better to crack down on Donegals cynical fouling and running across the paths of attacking link men.
Is that a foul though? Surely you can run on whatever part of the field you need to. Checking your run to block a man is a foul but you occupying a space that causes the attacker to change his speed or direction can't be a foul. If it was there would be no point defending at all.
Checking men is what I meant, particularly as link men try to link with forwards who been turned back, all you see is Donegal men checking midfielders and defenders. As long as they get away with it they will be hard to stop.
Quote from: ck on July 31, 2011, 02:16:39 AM
Quote from: andoireabu on July 31, 2011, 01:14:16 AM
Quote from: ck on July 31, 2011, 12:49:36 AM
The title of this thread would suggest that the umpires did something wrong. They got it absolutely right today. Straight up with the green flag until the referee trotted in and overruled it. God only knows why!
Donegal get yet another rub of the green from a referee. It would fit referees better to crack down on Donegals cynical fouling and running across the paths of attacking link men.
Is that a foul though? Surely you can run on whatever part of the field you need to. Checking your run to block a man is a foul but you occupying a space that causes the attacker to change his speed or direction can't be a foul. If it was there would be no point defending at all.
Checking men is what I meant, particularly as link men try to link with forwards who been turned back, all you see is Donegal men checking midfielders and defenders. As long as they get away with it they will be hard to stop.
I only saw the tv coverage, but there looked to be plenty of Kildare men at it too.
Quote from: Take Your Points on July 31, 2011, 08:38:35 AM
Quote from: ck on July 31, 2011, 12:49:36 AM
The title of this thread would suggest that the umpires did something wrong. They got it absolutely right today. Straight up with the green flag until the referee trotted in and overruled it. God only knows why!
Donegal get yet another rub of the green from a referee. It would fit referees better to crack down on Donegals cynical fouling and running across the paths of attacking link men.
+1
The goal was just salt in the wound for Kildare. Throughout the game, Coldrick and his linesmen ignored all the off the ball fouls by Donegal. Unfortunately, the end of the game will be remembered for the cynical fouling by Kildare to slow down the game although but the amount of blocking and hitting off the ball by Donegal to prevent the man running on to receive the ball was ridiculous. The determined targeting of Johnny Doyle from the throw was never punished.
Yet Coldrick is receiving all the plaudits for his handling of the game!
It was the same against derry in the ulster final. Persistent fouling around the middle by donegal to slow tge game so they could get 13 men behind the ball. Deegan should have been ticking lads and giving cards but he just let then away with it. The minor match before the ref was giving yellow cards for every foul. You would think they were refing two different sports.
Quote from: Take Your Points on July 31, 2011, 08:38:35 AM
Quote from: ck on July 31, 2011, 12:49:36 AM
The title of this thread would suggest that the umpires did something wrong. They got it absolutely right today. Straight up with the green flag until the referee trotted in and overruled it. God only knows why!
Donegal get yet another rub of the green from a referee. It would fit referees better to crack down on Donegals cynical fouling and running across the paths of attacking link men.
+1
The goal was just salt in the wound for Kildare. Throughout the game, Coldrick and his linesmen ignored all the off the ball fouls by Donegal. Unfortunately, the end of the game will be remembered for the cynical fouling by Kildare to slow down the game although but the amount of blocking and hitting off the ball by Donegal to prevent the man running on to receive the ball was ridiculous. The determined targeting of Johnny Doyle from the throw was never punished.
Yet Coldrick is receiving all the plaudits for his handling of the game!
What evidence do you have for "the determined targeting of Johnny Doyle from the throw "?
Kildare were doing plenty of off-the-ball fouling too, at least in what was visible from the television coverage.
Regardless, I hope you just as outraged when your own county perfected the art of the third man tackle and run blocking a decade ago.
I really hate this nitpicking shite.